10% rise in Eastern Europe workers

Nigel Farage and Ukip claimed the UK would be 'swamped' by Romanians and Bulgarians

A total of 153,000 Romanians and Bulgarians were employed in the UK in the quarter

First published in National News © by

The number of Romanians and Bulgarians employed in Britain between April and June rose nearly 10% compared with the previous three months, official figures have revealed.

A total of 153,000 Romanians and Bulgarians were employed in the UK in the quarter , some three months after access restrictions to the labour market for the two countries were lifted, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said.

This is an increase of 13,000 when compared with the 140,000 in the previous three months, from January to March, and an increase of 9,000 when compared with the last three months of 2013.

Restrictions to the labour market were lifted for Romanians and Bulgarians on January 1, prompting warnings of a looming surge of immigration from the two countries.

The previous batch of data appeared to suggest the predicted surge in Romanians and Bulgarians arriving in Britain had not transpired as the numbers actually dipped over the turn of the year by 4,000 workers.

A range of polarised reports emerged in the run-up to the lifting of controls, including a predicted surge in pickpocketing, muggings, beggars on the streets and rioting.

Other reports suggested citizens from the two Eastern European countries will attempt to sell their babies when they arrive in Britain.

And claims of fully-booked flights and coaches from Bucharest and Sofia at the turn of the year were incorrect and retracted.

The Home Affairs Select Committee earlier this year blasted the Government for failing to commission estimates of the numbers of Romanians and Bulgarians who would come to Britain after controls were lifted.

In a damning report, the committee said the Government's decision not to obtain official estimates played into the hands of those who ''wish to inflame tensions about immigration for political gain''.

Prime Minister David Cameron rushed through new measures at the end of last year to ensure EU migrants will be unable to claim out-of-work benefits for their first three months in the UK.

In addition, those found begging or sleeping rough could be deported and barred from re-entry for 12 months unless they can show they have a proper reason to be in the UK, such as holding a job.

Other proposals previously announced in the Government's flagship Immigration Act will see migrant access to the NHS restricted, while landlords, employers, bankers and DVLA staff will all be expected to take part in checks for illegal immigrants under tough reforms.

Commenting on the increase of Romanian and Bulgarian workers, Sir Andrew Green, chairman of Migration Watch UK, said: "Once dependants are factored in it is likely that the increase in population over the whole year 2014 will be between 30,000 and 70,000 as we predicted.

"Our central estimate of 50,000 remains a very likely outcome."

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8:29am Wed 13 Aug 14

cosmick says...

This country is full. Shut them out and take only skills that we need. The Schools will be full of kids where English is not there tounge, and you English will end up 2nd class , this country will be taken over by other people from all over the world without a shot being fired.
Wake up before its to late.
This country is full. Shut them out and take only skills that we need. The Schools will be full of kids where English is not there tounge, and you English will end up 2nd class , this country will be taken over by other people from all over the world without a shot being fired. Wake up before its to late. cosmick
  • Score: 131

9:32am Wed 13 Aug 14

crackoneoff says...

Fact is that immigration costs a lot more than we think it does.
More and more financial drain on society as if we don't have enough problems of our own.
I don't have a problem with people coming into this country as long as they have the right skills and totally support themselves but this is not the case.
Fact is that immigration costs a lot more than we think it does. More and more financial drain on society as if we don't have enough problems of our own. I don't have a problem with people coming into this country as long as they have the right skills and totally support themselves but this is not the case. crackoneoff
  • Score: 121

10:18am Wed 13 Aug 14

Excluded again says...

So worries about a 'flood' of immigrants from Bulgaria and Romania have proved misguided.

13 000 more people in a country with a population of 72 million is not going to make any noticeable difference. Can the government get on with solving some real problems now?
So worries about a 'flood' of immigrants from Bulgaria and Romania have proved misguided. 13 000 more people in a country with a population of 72 million is not going to make any noticeable difference. Can the government get on with solving some real problems now? Excluded again
  • Score: -118

10:36am Wed 13 Aug 14

crackoneoff says...

Excluded again wrote:
So worries about a 'flood' of immigrants from Bulgaria and Romania have proved misguided.

13 000 more people in a country with a population of 72 million is not going to make any noticeable difference. Can the government get on with solving some real problems now?
Depends on your outake as what you sum up as a real problem .
Funny enough it looks bad enough to me on an already overcrowded island.
[quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: So worries about a 'flood' of immigrants from Bulgaria and Romania have proved misguided. 13 000 more people in a country with a population of 72 million is not going to make any noticeable difference. Can the government get on with solving some real problems now?[/p][/quote]Depends on your outake as what you sum up as a real problem . Funny enough it looks bad enough to me on an already overcrowded island. crackoneoff
  • Score: 75

11:40am Wed 13 Aug 14

Counterview says...

But this article is actually about people working. No doubt UKIP scaremongering will continue apace.
But this article is actually about people working. No doubt UKIP scaremongering will continue apace. Counterview
  • Score: -100

12:37pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Controversial1 says...

This story is about workers and not shirkers.
Fact is.... the English are lazy oafs when it comes to hard graft in comparison to the eastern europeans who are prepared to graft for their pound note.
10 years ago I would have been outraged by this story but the fact of the matter is a lot of "English" people don't want to get off their fat overweight ar5es and go to work for a living, they would rather claim compo for whiplash or "Stress" which I have noticed seems to be the new fad
This story is about workers and not shirkers. Fact is.... the English are lazy oafs when it comes to hard graft in comparison to the eastern europeans who are prepared to graft for their pound note. 10 years ago I would have been outraged by this story but the fact of the matter is a lot of "English" people don't want to get off their fat overweight ar5es and go to work for a living, they would rather claim compo for whiplash or "Stress" which I have noticed seems to be the new fad Controversial1
  • Score: -69

1:13pm Wed 13 Aug 14

pembury53 says...

Excluded again wrote:
So worries about a 'flood' of immigrants from Bulgaria and Romania have proved misguided.

13 000 more people in a country with a population of 72 million is not going to make any noticeable difference. Can the government get on with solving some real problems now?
wait a bit longer and you'll notice the difference all right, when you try and get a doctors appointment, school place, somewhere to live..... there may be jobs for these thousands of immigrants now, but what about their 5 or 6 kids each in the future...... ask the british residents of towns like wisbech or peterborough if they've noticed any difference ?
[quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: So worries about a 'flood' of immigrants from Bulgaria and Romania have proved misguided. 13 000 more people in a country with a population of 72 million is not going to make any noticeable difference. Can the government get on with solving some real problems now?[/p][/quote]wait a bit longer and you'll notice the difference all right, when you try and get a doctors appointment, school place, somewhere to live..... there may be jobs for these thousands of immigrants now, but what about their 5 or 6 kids each in the future...... ask the british residents of towns like wisbech or peterborough if they've noticed any difference ? pembury53
  • Score: 63

2:19pm Wed 13 Aug 14

2uluap says...

Why are people frightened of the truth.WE are overcrowded now so in 10 years time there will be nothing left for our children other than the food banks as there will be no jobs.
Why are people frightened of the truth.WE are overcrowded now so in 10 years time there will be nothing left for our children other than the food banks as there will be no jobs. 2uluap
  • Score: 58

2:40pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Rita Jelfs says...

pembury53 wrote:
Excluded again wrote:
So worries about a 'flood' of immigrants from Bulgaria and Romania have proved misguided.

13 000 more people in a country with a population of 72 million is not going to make any noticeable difference. Can the government get on with solving some real problems now?
wait a bit longer and you'll notice the difference all right, when you try and get a doctors appointment, school place, somewhere to live..... there may be jobs for these thousands of immigrants now, but what about their 5 or 6 kids each in the future...... ask the british residents of towns like wisbech or peterborough if they've noticed any difference ?
Xenophobia. The report talks about the number of people who are employed, and an increase of only 13,000. How do you know that these Romanians and Bulgarians are not doctors, social workers, and professions that are desperately needed in the UK? I'm no apologist for the government, but there is a real problem looming. The problem is that people will have to work till they're 67 in the future because British people are not having enough children to pay income tax in the future to support retirees. Unless UK parents have more children, it has to be done by migrants coming here to work and paying taxes to support services. Unless more people are found to work to support the ageing population, nobody will be entitled to the aged pension.
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: So worries about a 'flood' of immigrants from Bulgaria and Romania have proved misguided. 13 000 more people in a country with a population of 72 million is not going to make any noticeable difference. Can the government get on with solving some real problems now?[/p][/quote]wait a bit longer and you'll notice the difference all right, when you try and get a doctors appointment, school place, somewhere to live..... there may be jobs for these thousands of immigrants now, but what about their 5 or 6 kids each in the future...... ask the british residents of towns like wisbech or peterborough if they've noticed any difference ?[/p][/quote]Xenophobia. The report talks about the number of people who are employed, and an increase of only 13,000. How do you know that these Romanians and Bulgarians are not doctors, social workers, and professions that are desperately needed in the UK? I'm no apologist for the government, but there is a real problem looming. The problem is that people will have to work till they're 67 in the future because British people are not having enough children to pay income tax in the future to support retirees. Unless UK parents have more children, it has to be done by migrants coming here to work and paying taxes to support services. Unless more people are found to work to support the ageing population, nobody will be entitled to the aged pension. Rita Jelfs
  • Score: -38

4:26pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Peter Programmer says...

So, what Rita is saying is that there is a basic and fundamental inbalance in our society:
If we have a younger population that will be able to pay taxes, then we will have ore overcrowding and stretching of resources. If we protect the UK by limiting immigration, then we will have an aging population.
I am 60, I am one of those aging people. I will look after my own requirements and have planned for this. Also, I have paid, probably £1m in tax during my working life, so, I do think I have contributed my bit. But where did my £1m go? Paying lazy so and so's and 14 year old mothers, no doubt.
I do not buy into this "we need all these extra skills" argument. That is an argument that has been created by people wanting to encourage immigration.
As someone said, we need to be work focussed and work harder. We need to lose this assumption that the world owes us a living!
Let's get back to basics.
So, what Rita is saying is that there is a basic and fundamental inbalance in our society: If we have a younger population that will be able to pay taxes, then we will have ore overcrowding and stretching of resources. If we protect the UK by limiting immigration, then we will have an aging population. I am 60, I am one of those aging people. I will look after my own requirements and have planned for this. Also, I have paid, probably £1m in tax during my working life, so, I do think I have contributed my bit. But where did my £1m go? Paying lazy so and so's and 14 year old mothers, no doubt. I do not buy into this "we need all these extra skills" argument. That is an argument that has been created by people wanting to encourage immigration. As someone said, we need to be work focussed and work harder. We need to lose this assumption that the world owes us a living! Let's get back to basics. Peter Programmer
  • Score: 28

4:41pm Wed 13 Aug 14

welshmen says...

13000, workers, forgot to mention the kids and other family members, it accounts for another 50000 to 70000, I see all the **** Liberals saying we make money off the Immigrants, the only people making money are the gang-masters, Airlines, and bus companies who bring them here, if all you lefties haven't noticed school places waiting list, Doctors waiting list, Dentist waiting list, if your lucky, Hospital longer waiting list then your as thick as a plank and twice as dense, just keep denying and denying, then perhaps when your kids can't get a place in any of the Social services mentioned you might see the coffee....

Migration Watch Reported that from 1995 to 2011 immigration has cost our Country £145 Billion...

Figures released by the Metropolitan Police under a Freedom of Information request show Romanian Roma swamping the field of begging. Of 730 arrests in the 2013/14 period, only 321 gave their nationality as being UK.
Romanian Roma, who recently had travel restrictions to Britain relaxed, accounted for 269 begging related arrests.
For cases where the detainee was homeless, the figure for Romanians Roma are even starker.

The British Liberal Elite, affiliated with ISSIL the wreckers of every Country they contaminate....and finely the UK wages have gone DOWN .02%, and inflation is at about 1.7% to 1.9% now isn't that the best news to support more immigration, to force British working rates even lower, good for the bosses, UK supporters of more immigration and PROFIT....
13000, workers, forgot to mention the kids and other family members, it accounts for another 50000 to 70000, I see all the **** Liberals saying we make money off the Immigrants, the only people making money are the gang-masters, Airlines, and bus companies who bring them here, if all you lefties haven't noticed school places waiting list, Doctors waiting list, Dentist waiting list, if your lucky, Hospital longer waiting list then your as thick as a plank and twice as dense, just keep denying and denying, then perhaps when your kids can't get a place in any of the Social services mentioned you might see the coffee.... Migration Watch Reported that from 1995 to 2011 immigration has cost our Country £145 Billion... Figures released by the Metropolitan Police under a Freedom of Information request show Romanian Roma swamping the field of begging. Of 730 arrests in the 2013/14 period, only 321 gave their nationality as being UK. Romanian Roma, who recently had travel restrictions to Britain relaxed, accounted for 269 begging related arrests. For cases where the detainee was homeless, the figure for Romanians Roma are even starker. The British Liberal Elite, affiliated with ISSIL the wreckers of every Country they contaminate....and finely the UK wages have gone DOWN .02%, and inflation is at about 1.7% to 1.9% now isn't that the best news to support more immigration, to force British working rates even lower, good for the bosses, UK supporters of more immigration and PROFIT.... welshmen
  • Score: 43

6:19pm Wed 13 Aug 14

cosmick says...

When they say they are working they may be self employed. With this they get a N/I number and are then able to claim benefits, so selling the BIG ISSUE makes you self employed opens the door to take our taxes as benefits, they may be self employed cleaning cars, they may work hard but it is taking money out of our system.
My wife went into the walk in center yesterday see a doctor was told she needed a blood test, he phoned downstairs for the test and we went straight down. When the nurse called my wife through to have the test she was told that the hospital would not do the test due to lack of funding. The funding is there for people from out of the area or E/U workers comming to this country.
WAKE UP/ WAKE UP/ WAKE UP.
When they say they are working they may be self employed. With this they get a N/I number and are then able to claim benefits, so selling the BIG ISSUE makes you self employed opens the door to take our taxes as benefits, they may be self employed cleaning cars, they may work hard but it is taking money out of our system. My wife went into the walk in center yesterday see a doctor was told she needed a blood test, he phoned downstairs for the test and we went straight down. When the nurse called my wife through to have the test she was told that the hospital would not do the test due to lack of funding. The funding is there for people from out of the area or E/U workers comming to this country. WAKE UP/ WAKE UP/ WAKE UP. cosmick
  • Score: 26

6:57pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Counterview says...

Ukip have certainly mobilised their forces on this thread. Is one of
UKIP's messages - follow us all over the cliff - there's no way back - but we'll be alright because we'll all land on nice soft cushions? Let Farage tell the voters loud and clear what he'll do if Spain demands the keys to Gibraltar in return for a nice cosy EU trading agreement.
Ukip have certainly mobilised their forces on this thread. Is one of UKIP's messages - follow us all over the cliff - there's no way back - but we'll be alright because we'll all land on nice soft cushions? Let Farage tell the voters loud and clear what he'll do if Spain demands the keys to Gibraltar in return for a nice cosy EU trading agreement. Counterview
  • Score: -23

8:22pm Wed 13 Aug 14

_Lotus_ says...

Excluded again wrote:
So worries about a 'flood' of immigrants from Bulgaria and Romania have proved misguided.

13 000 more people in a country with a population of 72 million is not going to make any noticeable difference. Can the government get on with solving some real problems now?
This IS a real problem and your thinking is another problem that needs serious attention.
[quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: So worries about a 'flood' of immigrants from Bulgaria and Romania have proved misguided. 13 000 more people in a country with a population of 72 million is not going to make any noticeable difference. Can the government get on with solving some real problems now?[/p][/quote]This IS a real problem and your thinking is another problem that needs serious attention. _Lotus_
  • Score: 4

8:35pm Wed 13 Aug 14

welshmen says...

Counterview wrote:
Ukip have certainly mobilised their forces on this thread. Is one of
UKIP's messages - follow us all over the cliff - there's no way back - but we'll be alright because we'll all land on nice soft cushions? Let Farage tell the voters loud and clear what he'll do if Spain demands the keys to Gibraltar in return for a nice cosy EU trading agreement.
No we are not going over any cliff, we will be climbing back up that cliff the past Governments have dropped this Country over, our C/O Nigel Farage will get our Country back from the clutches of your Liberal Elite, control our boarders and Country, if that upsets you good, you've had your day, your politics are well past their sell by date.

As your Spain remark, Spain would do better business with the UK than the EU, Gibraltar will remain the status quo, wages down 0.02%, inflation up to 1.7 % and to hit 1.9% by 2015, more foreigners come here the lower the wages go for British folk, especially with families that have a mortgage be a nice change to have UKIP in Westminster....
[quote][p][bold]Counterview[/bold] wrote: Ukip have certainly mobilised their forces on this thread. Is one of UKIP's messages - follow us all over the cliff - there's no way back - but we'll be alright because we'll all land on nice soft cushions? Let Farage tell the voters loud and clear what he'll do if Spain demands the keys to Gibraltar in return for a nice cosy EU trading agreement.[/p][/quote]No we are not going over any cliff, we will be climbing back up that cliff the past Governments have dropped this Country over, our C/O Nigel Farage will get our Country back from the clutches of your Liberal Elite, control our boarders and Country, if that upsets you good, you've had your day, your politics are well past their sell by date. As your Spain remark, Spain would do better business with the UK than the EU, Gibraltar will remain the status quo, wages down 0.02%, inflation up to 1.7 % and to hit 1.9% by 2015, more foreigners come here the lower the wages go for British folk, especially with families that have a mortgage be a nice change to have UKIP in Westminster.... welshmen
  • Score: 16

8:45pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Counterview says...

_Lotus_ wrote:
Excluded again wrote:
So worries about a 'flood' of immigrants from Bulgaria and Romania have proved misguided.

13 000 more people in a country with a population of 72 million is not going to make any noticeable difference. Can the government get on with solving some real problems now?
This IS a real problem and your thinking is another problem that needs serious attention.
Maybe it's a problem - but nothing approaching Farage's scaremongering hype. Saying we've got an open door to 250m Europeans may be theoretically correct. So would saying if every UK property caught fire simultaneously we wouldn't have sufficient firefighters to cope. Both statements have a grain of truth yet both are totally nonsensical. To balance the immigration argument, there are currently over 5 million Brits living abroad. Is that OK for UKIP or should they be sent home as well?
[quote][p][bold]_Lotus_[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: So worries about a 'flood' of immigrants from Bulgaria and Romania have proved misguided. 13 000 more people in a country with a population of 72 million is not going to make any noticeable difference. Can the government get on with solving some real problems now?[/p][/quote]This IS a real problem and your thinking is another problem that needs serious attention.[/p][/quote]Maybe it's a problem - but nothing approaching Farage's scaremongering hype. Saying we've got an open door to 250m Europeans may be theoretically correct. So would saying if every UK property caught fire simultaneously we wouldn't have sufficient firefighters to cope. Both statements have a grain of truth yet both are totally nonsensical. To balance the immigration argument, there are currently over 5 million Brits living abroad. Is that OK for UKIP or should they be sent home as well? Counterview
  • Score: -19

10:52pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Counterview says...

Welshmen: You seem mighty confident in Farage's abilities. But he is only a politician - why should you trust him any more than any of the others we've had in the past. He's certainly got a track record of hype - but no track record of delivering anything whatsoever.

On your Spain remark. Can you name me one other EU country that would not support Spain if they decide to play hard ball? Gibraltar is a festering sore. They will not pass up an opportunity to get it sorted.

Let's assume the boot was on the other foot and Spain occupied Portland? Are you seriously suggesting we would not do exactly the same? Like anyone, I can't forecast the future. But rest assured, Gib will be a big issue once we are outside the EU clutching our begging bowl.
Welshmen: You seem mighty confident in Farage's abilities. But he is only a politician - why should you trust him any more than any of the others we've had in the past. He's certainly got a track record of hype - but no track record of delivering anything whatsoever. On your Spain remark. Can you name me one other EU country that would not support Spain if they decide to play hard ball? Gibraltar is a festering sore. They will not pass up an opportunity to get it sorted. Let's assume the boot was on the other foot and Spain occupied Portland? Are you seriously suggesting we would not do exactly the same? Like anyone, I can't forecast the future. But rest assured, Gib will be a big issue once we are outside the EU clutching our begging bowl. Counterview
  • Score: -13

8:23am Thu 14 Aug 14

cosmick says...

Counterview wrote:
_Lotus_ wrote:
Excluded again wrote:
So worries about a 'flood' of immigrants from Bulgaria and Romania have proved misguided.

13 000 more people in a country with a population of 72 million is not going to make any noticeable difference. Can the government get on with solving some real problems now?
This IS a real problem and your thinking is another problem that needs serious attention.
Maybe it's a problem - but nothing approaching Farage's scaremongering hype. Saying we've got an open door to 250m Europeans may be theoretically correct. So would saying if every UK property caught fire simultaneously we wouldn't have sufficient firefighters to cope. Both statements have a grain of truth yet both are totally nonsensical. To balance the immigration argument, there are currently over 5 million Brits living abroad. Is that OK for UKIP or should they be sent home as well?
How many of the 5 m brits living abroard are claiming benefits or getting help with rent or bringing up their familys not many i bet. M ost brits abroard are able to keep themselves or have a job skill required by there country the live in. Bet there are not many brits washing car or selling the big issue abroard.
[quote][p][bold]Counterview[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]_Lotus_[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: So worries about a 'flood' of immigrants from Bulgaria and Romania have proved misguided. 13 000 more people in a country with a population of 72 million is not going to make any noticeable difference. Can the government get on with solving some real problems now?[/p][/quote]This IS a real problem and your thinking is another problem that needs serious attention.[/p][/quote]Maybe it's a problem - but nothing approaching Farage's scaremongering hype. Saying we've got an open door to 250m Europeans may be theoretically correct. So would saying if every UK property caught fire simultaneously we wouldn't have sufficient firefighters to cope. Both statements have a grain of truth yet both are totally nonsensical. To balance the immigration argument, there are currently over 5 million Brits living abroad. Is that OK for UKIP or should they be sent home as well?[/p][/quote]How many of the 5 m brits living abroard are claiming benefits or getting help with rent or bringing up their familys not many i bet. M ost brits abroard are able to keep themselves or have a job skill required by there country the live in. Bet there are not many brits washing car or selling the big issue abroard. cosmick
  • Score: 10

9:51am Thu 14 Aug 14

crackoneoff says...

Counterview wrote:
_Lotus_ wrote:
Excluded again wrote:
So worries about a 'flood' of immigrants from Bulgaria and Romania have proved misguided.

13 000 more people in a country with a population of 72 million is not going to make any noticeable difference. Can the government get on with solving some real problems now?
This IS a real problem and your thinking is another problem that needs serious attention.
Maybe it's a problem - but nothing approaching Farage's scaremongering hype. Saying we've got an open door to 250m Europeans may be theoretically correct. So would saying if every UK property caught fire simultaneously we wouldn't have sufficient firefighters to cope. Both statements have a grain of truth yet both are totally nonsensical. To balance the immigration argument, there are currently over 5 million Brits living abroad. Is that OK for UKIP or should they be sent home as well?
5 million Brits living abroad.
My mother tried new Zealand and was told she would need at least 1 million new Zealand dollars to stay there which is fair enough you need to understand when Brits live abroad they take enough money with them and have the right skills for the right job.
They certainly don't arrive without a pot to pi55 in.
[quote][p][bold]Counterview[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]_Lotus_[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: So worries about a 'flood' of immigrants from Bulgaria and Romania have proved misguided. 13 000 more people in a country with a population of 72 million is not going to make any noticeable difference. Can the government get on with solving some real problems now?[/p][/quote]This IS a real problem and your thinking is another problem that needs serious attention.[/p][/quote]Maybe it's a problem - but nothing approaching Farage's scaremongering hype. Saying we've got an open door to 250m Europeans may be theoretically correct. So would saying if every UK property caught fire simultaneously we wouldn't have sufficient firefighters to cope. Both statements have a grain of truth yet both are totally nonsensical. To balance the immigration argument, there are currently over 5 million Brits living abroad. Is that OK for UKIP or should they be sent home as well?[/p][/quote]5 million Brits living abroad. My mother tried new Zealand and was told she would need at least 1 million new Zealand dollars to stay there which is fair enough you need to understand when Brits live abroad they take enough money with them and have the right skills for the right job. They certainly don't arrive without a pot to pi55 in. crackoneoff
  • Score: 10

11:24am Thu 14 Aug 14

pembury53 says...

Rita Jelfs wrote:
pembury53 wrote:
Excluded again wrote:
So worries about a 'flood' of immigrants from Bulgaria and Romania have proved misguided.

13 000 more people in a country with a population of 72 million is not going to make any noticeable difference. Can the government get on with solving some real problems now?
wait a bit longer and you'll notice the difference all right, when you try and get a doctors appointment, school place, somewhere to live..... there may be jobs for these thousands of immigrants now, but what about their 5 or 6 kids each in the future...... ask the british residents of towns like wisbech or peterborough if they've noticed any difference ?
Xenophobia. The report talks about the number of people who are employed, and an increase of only 13,000. How do you know that these Romanians and Bulgarians are not doctors, social workers, and professions that are desperately needed in the UK? I'm no apologist for the government, but there is a real problem looming. The problem is that people will have to work till they're 67 in the future because British people are not having enough children to pay income tax in the future to support retirees. Unless UK parents have more children, it has to be done by migrants coming here to work and paying taxes to support services. Unless more people are found to work to support the ageing population, nobody will be entitled to the aged pension.
by all means continue to delude yourself..... if professions "are desperately needed" then those positions can be filled by immigration, if necessary, by adopting the usual process that applies to any of us, i.e. apply for the specific job advertised, and if offered it, relocate. that is entirely different to mass uncontrolled immigration on the off chance there might be some work available, for a time, and have no intention of ever going back to their country of origin. this idea that the 'benefits outweigh the cost' is frankly utterly ludicrous, as sadly we will all eventually find out, too late...
[quote][p][bold]Rita Jelfs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: So worries about a 'flood' of immigrants from Bulgaria and Romania have proved misguided. 13 000 more people in a country with a population of 72 million is not going to make any noticeable difference. Can the government get on with solving some real problems now?[/p][/quote]wait a bit longer and you'll notice the difference all right, when you try and get a doctors appointment, school place, somewhere to live..... there may be jobs for these thousands of immigrants now, but what about their 5 or 6 kids each in the future...... ask the british residents of towns like wisbech or peterborough if they've noticed any difference ?[/p][/quote]Xenophobia. The report talks about the number of people who are employed, and an increase of only 13,000. How do you know that these Romanians and Bulgarians are not doctors, social workers, and professions that are desperately needed in the UK? I'm no apologist for the government, but there is a real problem looming. The problem is that people will have to work till they're 67 in the future because British people are not having enough children to pay income tax in the future to support retirees. Unless UK parents have more children, it has to be done by migrants coming here to work and paying taxes to support services. Unless more people are found to work to support the ageing population, nobody will be entitled to the aged pension.[/p][/quote]by all means continue to delude yourself..... if professions "are desperately needed" then those positions can be filled by immigration, if necessary, by adopting the usual process that applies to any of us, i.e. apply for the specific job advertised, and if offered it, relocate. that is entirely different to mass uncontrolled immigration on the off chance there might be some work available, for a time, and have no intention of ever going back to their country of origin. this idea that the 'benefits outweigh the cost' is frankly utterly ludicrous, as sadly we will all eventually find out, too late... pembury53
  • Score: 5

12:59pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Mattster says...

Mass Low Skill Immigration & Stagnating wage inflation, two close bedfellows.
Mass Low Skill Immigration & Stagnating wage inflation, two close bedfellows. Mattster
  • Score: 6

3:28pm Thu 14 Aug 14

tokyontroyzee says...

Excluded again wrote:
So worries about a 'flood' of immigrants from Bulgaria and Romania have proved misguided.

13 000 more people in a country with a population of 72 million is not going to make any noticeable difference. Can the government get on with solving some real problems now?
You dumm tosser......where did you get that figure from.....you and thousands alike are the problem.....you will now see crime rate rise yet again, and god help any British girl that encounters a romanian....if you open your eyes beyond facebook you will see what has happend in your home country....are you british(with lower case b)
[quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: So worries about a 'flood' of immigrants from Bulgaria and Romania have proved misguided. 13 000 more people in a country with a population of 72 million is not going to make any noticeable difference. Can the government get on with solving some real problems now?[/p][/quote]You dumm tosser......where did you get that figure from.....you and thousands alike are the problem.....you will now see crime rate rise yet again, and god help any British girl that encounters a romanian....if you open your eyes beyond facebook you will see what has happend in your home country....are you british(with lower case b) tokyontroyzee
  • Score: 7

3:34pm Thu 14 Aug 14

tokyontroyzee says...

Controversial1 wrote:
This story is about workers and not shirkers.
Fact is.... the English are lazy oafs when it comes to hard graft in comparison to the eastern europeans who are prepared to graft for their pound note.
10 years ago I would have been outraged by this story but the fact of the matter is a lot of "English" people don't want to get off their fat overweight ar5es and go to work for a living, they would rather claim compo for whiplash or "Stress" which I have noticed seems to be the new fad
Wonderful comment.....so many brits have sat around and let this happen.if the benifit system was scrapped, would they get up and work....I doubt it, I think they would turn to crime if it meant they did not have make the effort...
[quote][p][bold]Controversial1[/bold] wrote: This story is about workers and not shirkers. Fact is.... the English are lazy oafs when it comes to hard graft in comparison to the eastern europeans who are prepared to graft for their pound note. 10 years ago I would have been outraged by this story but the fact of the matter is a lot of "English" people don't want to get off their fat overweight ar5es and go to work for a living, they would rather claim compo for whiplash or "Stress" which I have noticed seems to be the new fad[/p][/quote]Wonderful comment.....so many brits have sat around and let this happen.if the benifit system was scrapped, would they get up and work....I doubt it, I think they would turn to crime if it meant they did not have make the effort... tokyontroyzee
  • Score: 0

4:20pm Thu 14 Aug 14

tokyontroyzee says...

Counterview wrote:
_Lotus_ wrote:
Excluded again wrote:
So worries about a 'flood' of immigrants from Bulgaria and Romania have proved misguided.

13 000 more people in a country with a population of 72 million is not going to make any noticeable difference. Can the government get on with solving some real problems now?
This IS a real problem and your thinking is another problem that needs serious attention.
Maybe it's a problem - but nothing approaching Farage's scaremongering hype. Saying we've got an open door to 250m Europeans may be theoretically correct. So would saying if every UK property caught fire simultaneously we wouldn't have sufficient firefighters to cope. Both statements have a grain of truth yet both are totally nonsensical. To balance the immigration argument, there are currently over 5 million Brits living abroad. Is that OK for UKIP or should they be sent home as well?
The benifit system is the problem in the UK, without that, every able person would have to work.The 5 million brits abroad are workers,
Any person going to the UK knows that if they fall on hard times they can live well on the system, as many lazy brits have chosen to do.
I am a brit living abroad, and even on this side of the Atlantic there are immigrant's from all nations wanting to go to the UK for this very reason.
[quote][p][bold]Counterview[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]_Lotus_[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: So worries about a 'flood' of immigrants from Bulgaria and Romania have proved misguided. 13 000 more people in a country with a population of 72 million is not going to make any noticeable difference. Can the government get on with solving some real problems now?[/p][/quote]This IS a real problem and your thinking is another problem that needs serious attention.[/p][/quote]Maybe it's a problem - but nothing approaching Farage's scaremongering hype. Saying we've got an open door to 250m Europeans may be theoretically correct. So would saying if every UK property caught fire simultaneously we wouldn't have sufficient firefighters to cope. Both statements have a grain of truth yet both are totally nonsensical. To balance the immigration argument, there are currently over 5 million Brits living abroad. Is that OK for UKIP or should they be sent home as well?[/p][/quote]The benifit system is the problem in the UK, without that, every able person would have to work.The 5 million brits abroad are workers, Any person going to the UK knows that if they fall on hard times they can live well on the system, as many lazy brits have chosen to do. I am a brit living abroad, and even on this side of the Atlantic there are immigrant's from all nations wanting to go to the UK for this very reason. tokyontroyzee
  • Score: 4

8:07pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Mattster says...

Excluded again wrote:
So worries about a 'flood' of immigrants from Bulgaria and Romania have proved misguided.

13 000 more people in a country with a population of 72 million is not going to make any noticeable difference. Can the government get on with solving some real problems now?
There are currently 64.1 million people recorded as UK Residents. If a grasp of that basic fact is too much for you then there is no helping you...
[quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: So worries about a 'flood' of immigrants from Bulgaria and Romania have proved misguided. 13 000 more people in a country with a population of 72 million is not going to make any noticeable difference. Can the government get on with solving some real problems now?[/p][/quote]There are currently 64.1 million people recorded as UK Residents. If a grasp of that basic fact is too much for you then there is no helping you... Mattster
  • Score: 5

8:35pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Counterview says...

To all those who responded on the 5 million Brits living abroad issue. Quote " they are all workers". Utter rubbish. Many are retired.

"How many Brits living abroad are claiming benefits......?" I have absolutely no idea. Have you?

Question from me - How many immigrants in the UK are claiming benefits. Again, I have absolutely no idea. Who does?

How many immigrants come to the UK with the sole intention of living on benefits? Again, I've no idea. Answers welcome, based on facts - not prejudice.

Why do British employers sign up immigrants rather than indigenous
Brits.

Are benefits in Britain more generous than anywhere else in the
EU? Again, facts please.
To all those who responded on the 5 million Brits living abroad issue. Quote " they are all workers". Utter rubbish. Many are retired. "How many Brits living abroad are claiming benefits......?" I have absolutely no idea. Have you? Question from me - How many immigrants in the UK are claiming benefits. Again, I have absolutely no idea. Who does? How many immigrants come to the UK with the sole intention of living on benefits? Again, I've no idea. Answers welcome, based on facts - not prejudice. Why do British employers sign up immigrants rather than indigenous Brits. Are benefits in Britain more generous than anywhere else in the EU? Again, facts please. Counterview
  • Score: -3
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