A new chapter in Rathbone's epic career

This Is Lancashire: A new chapter in Rathbone's epic career A new chapter in Rathbone's epic career

PLAYER. Physiotherapist. Manager. Assistant manager. Incredibly, at one stage, assistant manager-player-physiotherapist. Acclaimed author. Mentor.

Former Blackburn Rovers fans’ favourite Mick Rathbone has been them all in his truly remarkable career.

But ‘Baz’s’ latest notch on his footballing bedpost could well top the lot – helping England to a momentous international success.

The 55-year-old is fresh back from Malta where, as a key member of John Peacock’s backroom staff, he played his part as England U17s won the UEFA European Championships with a nail-biting penalty shoot-out victory over the Netherlands.

“It is right up there,” said Rathbone, when asked where the glittering gold medal, which he wrapped proudly around his neck after last Wednesday’s dramatic final, ranks in his list of achievements.

“You are out there on foreign territory flying the flag with the Three Lions on your chest – it’s your country so it means a lot.

“If we had won 3-0 in the final it still would have been great but to have that surge of adrenaline when that final penalty went in made it all the more outstanding.

“You just don’t realise how special is it until you’re in that dugout and the final penalty goes in.”

Rathbone has held the position of England U17s physio since 2011.

It is a position he took up after leaving Everton, where he rose from physio to head of sports science, and it is a position he was supposed to relinquish last year to concentrate on his day job at Manchester United, where he acts a mentor to the next generation of Old Trafford stars, including Michael Keane, who spent time on loan at Rovers this season.

“I’ve been with the same staff at England for four years, we’ve become really close friends, and I really wanted it to happen for John Peacock,” said Birmingham-born Rathbone, who has made Blackburn his home after eight, well-loved years in the blue and white halved shirt of Rovers, for whom he made 306 appearances between 1979 and 1987.

“I finished a year ago to concentrate on my Manchester United stuff but they wanted me to do another year and I said I would because I felt we could win it.

“For everything to come together is fantastic.”

England boss Peacock wants Rathbone to stay on for another 12 months.

But he is unlikely to get his wish as Rathbone reckons now is the time to plough all of his efforts into Manchester United.

He was headhunted for his unique role after United officials read his searingly honest, heartwarming and hilarious autobiography, The Smell of Football.

The critically acclaimed book recounts the crippling confidence issues the former full back suffered when starting out as a teenager at his boyhood heroes Birmingham City.

And it traces his remarkable journey from player with Birmingham, Rovers, Preston North End and Halifax Town, to manager and then assistant manager-player-physiotherapist at Halifax, and eventually physiotherapist at Preston and Everton under David Moyes.

“When I left Everton I had a break in inverted commas, the book came out and that took up a lot of my time,” said former England youth international Rathbone, who was unable to save Halifax from relegation from the Football League in 1993.

“But about 20 months ago I was in Estonia with England and Steve McNally from Manchester United, someone I have known over the years, rang me up out of the blue.

“He said, ‘we’ve read your book and we loved the stuff about the confidence and the striving against all odds’.

“So they offered me a role as a mentor to their U21s and I’ve been there for 20 months now.

“It’s really, really good and different. I go to Carrington every day, go out training every day with the U21s and then I go and look after the lads who are on loan, so I will randomly drive down to Carlisle or Yeovil or fly over to Zaragoza in Spain or Nijmegen in Holland.

“When I tell people about my job they can’t believe what I do – it’s a pretty good job. It’s an autonomous role where I’ve got carte blanche which allows me to say, ‘I think I’ve got to go across to there or involve myself with that lad there’.”

Rathbone, whose son Oliver is on the books of United, was reunited with Moyes last summer after his former manager at Preston and Everton was appointed as Sir Alex Ferguson’s successor.

“Me and David always kept in touch after I left Everton and we met for coffee and that,” said Rathbone.

“Then one day, I think it was early June last year at Carrington, and Sir Alex said, ‘Mick, I want you to meet somebody’, and it was Dave.

“Me and Dave had this thing. I remember when we were at Preston and I was physio and he was a coach and we went across to the Isle of Man for this tournament. It was a really hot day and me and Dave had to take all the big skips from the bottom floor of this guesthouse right up to the attic.

“It must have been about 10 flights of steep stairs and when we got to the top we were both lathered in sweat and I turned around him and said, ‘we’ll laugh about this Dave when we’re both at Manchester United’.”

Rathbone reminded the Scotsman about that story when he took charge of United.

Moyes’ reign at Old Trafford lasted less than a season when he was sacked in April.

But Rathbone has no doubts his old boss will bounce back.

“Dave did everything he could,” he said.

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12:12pm Mon 26 May 14

Rovers F.C. says...

Open letter to the Happy-Clappers/Venky
s Apologists/Venkys Deniers.
The Happy -Clappers dogma, inflexibility and immorality in the way they engage with true Rovers fans has begun to rear its cynical head recently as they suddenly seem to be the dominant voice on these discussion pages now that things are looking good again; shoving shame down the throats of those genuine Rovers fans that still continue to ask awkward questions.
I have read a lot of Happy-Clappers on the internet trying to engage in all kinds of arguments whilst discussing what the Venkys have done to Rovers; many of these Venkys Apologists that present themselves as emissaries of moderation are on the 'Blame the Rovers fans' side of the debate and it is fascinating listening to and watching how they interpret events through the prism of their deeply entrenched belief system - 'beliefs' about what they consider to be 'moral truths' but these 'truths' are nothing more than Orwellian Newspeak where reality is turned upside down - hate is love, war is peace.
I genuinely wonder whether some of these people are in the employ of the dastardly Venkys - sitting on their large wobbly bottoms in front of computers whilst they operate a full scale lying propaganda machine attempting to command and organise the organs of public opinion and our perception of reality through a manipulation of history.
If these so-called Rovers fans (those in the minority who genuinely care more about the Venkys than the club) are allowed to propagate their Happy-Clapper ultra authoritarian mind set, then no matter how objective, relevant or empirically sound those who are opposed to the Venkys might be when our contrary opinions are presented to the nasty noisy negativist Venkys Deniers, they will continue to believe that they do not need to engage with our opinions because they have decided they think we are immoral, (more on this cruel arrogance later).
I believe that if any evidence/opinion is sound, then it is relevant and therefore should be listened to.
However, the Happy-Clapper flotilla of disinformation is just this side of insultingly stupid rendering any form of discourse with them frustrating.
What the Venkys Apologists don't understand is that in any discourse, strong objectivity cannot be achieved by bias; strongly opposing - opposing views - through obfuscation, silencing and bullying tactics does not promote free speech and is an upside down reality. Unfortunately, this is often a tactical tool of discourse by the Happy-Clappers.
Disregarding contrary evidence or opinion and imputing ill intent on the person presenting it is a favourite trick of Happy-Clappers/Venky
s Deniers/ Venkys Apologists - no matter how empirically cogent and rational the opinion presented is - instead they counter with lies, half truths and slippery evasions.
I believe that the way true Rovers fans are often ambushed when discussing the Venkys and then attacked for something completely different by insolent and petulant Venkys propaganda parrots who prefer to smear and sneer is a well worn tactic by the Happy-Clappers who tend to find it difficult to put aside any of their unreasonable convictions about what they feel Rovers fans ought to think.
An extravagantly arrogant mind set leaving it impossible for them to be objective; sometimes disregarding evidence or questions that challenge them, leading to an aggressive projection of their views involving smarmy smugness, dishonesty and hostile rhetoric.
Therefore Venkys Deniers often find it very difficult to engage on any issues in any other model but their own or tolerate those that do; they twist evidence to suite their own upside-down view of things smearing the character of anyone with opinions they do not agree with that make them feel uncomfortable, "You're only saying that because you're a...".
In conclusion let us be clear; owd nick, greenscreener, rovrstid, BRFC 1875, incesteachsunday et al are not the voices of moderation. These were the people that blamed the fans for Steve Keans poor tactics, substitutions and transfers; they blamed the fans for the resignations of Williams and Finn and many others; they blamed the fans for the poor performances of Murphy, Best and Etu; they blame the fans for the debt the club is now in; they blame the fans for the looming FFP transfer embargo and they blamed the fans for relegation. This is obscene 'logic'.
They cannot argue with the facts so they make their own up; Rovers fans boo when Rovers are winning and want Gary Bowyer to fail are a couple of their favourite lies.
It's easy to side with the rich and powerful; the corporate media, Agents and multi billionaire owners of football clubs and far more difficult to stand up against. The Happy-Clappers choose to do the former while cynically traducing those people who chose to do the latter.
This is the moral cowardice of opportunism. They know where the money and power is.
What the corporate media did in blaming Rovers' fans for the very problems foisted upon them is a tried and tested media trick. Today we see the unemployed blamed for unemployment, the homeless blamed for homelessness and those in receipt of state welfare unemployment benefits are blamed for the national debt and the fact that Britain is bankrupt.
The weakest, poorest and most vulnerable are blamed for the problems created by the strongest, richest and least vulnerable.
It's easy to see from the writing style of many of the Happy-Clappers across the internet that they are educated and middle-class. They've looked at the images and listened to the descriptions of the protestors that have been presented by the ugly media narrative and fallen for the illusion of seeing them as thuggish bar brawlers; unreasonable, violent and ungrateful; racist, sexist and hateful. Of being 'poor'. And that last point is important because that is the real reason the Happy-Clappers do not like the fans/protestors/indi
viduals that stood up against the looting of Blackburn Rovers by Jerome Anderson and his gang of pirates.
The Happy-Clappers are synthetic middle-class Nuevo Riché SKY SPORTS Premier League era soulless consumers. They are not fans of the working man's game. They hate it. They're fans of lifeless, sterilised stadiums and expensive match day tickets that only they can afford. They enjoy the plastic seats, manufactured corporate atmosphere, names on players shirts, head ache inducing brightly coloured football boots and up- their-own-arse goal celebrations by players who run off to celebrate on their own in front of the nearest TV cameras. At best they're consumers and at worst they're tourists.
These supine lickspittles have a myopic sense of history. They pepper us with their propaganda and would like us all to believe that it's all over. Everything is better. It's in the "past". No it isn't and they've got their 'tenses' mixed up. The Venkys and everything they've wrought upon Blackburn Rovers is still happening now in the present-continuous.
The happy-clappers' minds may have been placated with the first form of communication from the Venkys in the three years since they acquired the club despite repeated pleas from Rovers fans, local MP's, local councillors, local business men, sponsors and even a very professionally produced and well received documentary - but better late than never, I suppose.
Then again, i think the Venkys have been well and truly shafted as well. They have been badly advised by Anderson, Kean and Singh not to mention Agnew. Their own lawyer described Rovers current Director as a "renegade out of control Director" - no one has ever explained precisely what that means. They've paid out a small fortune to Keane, Appleton and Berg and i believe are still paying Singh's wages. Singh meant well but the man was a buffoon and what in the name of God is the pension thieving con artist Hendry still doing at the club? What a fall from grace for a player i used to idolise from The Blackburn End terrace. The Venkys were also badly advised on the sale of Jones to Manchester United plus they're putting £3million a month into the club just to keep it alive. I would not be surprised if there was just a touch of criminal activity going on in the Ewood Park corridors of power back in 2010-2012. As a humane person i can't help but feel a bit sorry for them.
Then i think of the atrocious arrogance they have shown with their deafening silence these past three years.
The open letter recently published was as good as one could expect. I was fine with it. I welcomed it and it is a start but let's not kid ourselves; the club was moving forward and did not need rebuilding until the Venkys gutted it.
I don't agree with those who think Bowyer should be sterner in his criticisms of the Venkys when being interviewed, that's naïve and unreasonable. Indeed, i am sometimes surprised when Bowyer does refer to the traumas of the past three years and the need to rebuild on and off the pitch and repair the damaged relationship with the fans. He is of course correct and i think that in itself is quite strong language so nice one Gary.
Also, I would rather trust Bowyers assessment of Varney. What Bowyer wants is hard working, committed and professionally minded footballers who wo will lead by example and help the youngsters. Varney must be a breath of fresh air around the place after Best, Murphy, Campbell et al.
I totally understand those who are critical of the signing - and those who are not critical - I'd rather wait and see and trust Bowyers judgement. I'd give Dunn a take it or leave it pay-as-you-play deal. I'd hope he'd take it, he still has something to offer and we need his skill and experience. Surely the young man's a millionaire by now?
As for the 2013-2014 season, i have mixed emotions. It was a very poor league and crying out for any team to put a decent little run together. Derby managed it and even Bournemouth nearly sneaked in. Burnley did not have many decent results after being dumped out of the League Cup by West Ham's Reserves yet finished second. That's how poor the league was.
In a decent league Rovers would have struggled and Burnley would not have been promoted. Sheff' Wed's and Birmingham at Christmas and Sheff' Wed's and Yeovil at Easter were the games that cost us the Play Offs but obviously you could chose any games. The Yeovil result was a disgrace.
I'm still not convinced Bowyer can get us promoted. He is a decent man and has worked a minor miracle and will need time if he is to succeed. Rovers should look at Burnley and Dyche. I desperately hope any Rovers manager will succeed and would be particularly pleased for Bowyer and his team of coaches, physios and squad of players if successful because i consider Bowyer to be one of us and because of the passion, genuine love of the club and heartfelt concern for the fans he has displayed. He has also shown great dignity and strikes me as a man of good character.
owd nick, greenscreener, rovrstid, BRFC1875, incesteachsunday et al will be the first to savagely demand Bowyer's sacking, their hateful impatience cascading from the slopes of Ewood Park demanding his head on a platter if Rovers do not have 6 points from their opening three games next season.
These people are extremists. They portray themselves as a flock of sheep but really they are a pack of wolves, (though that is an insult to the noble wolf). They've put all their eggs in the Gary Bowyer basket and that is why any reasonable and rational words of caution are studiously attacked with patronising contempt.
They are the enemies of everything that is good and proper.
--------
The Venky's Reign of Error: The Strange Case of Steve Kean
http://ewoodpark.jim
do.com/the-venky-s-r
eign-of-error-the-st
range-case-of-steve-
kean/
Open letter to the Happy-Clappers/Venky s Apologists/Venkys Deniers. The Happy -Clappers dogma, inflexibility and immorality in the way they engage with true Rovers fans has begun to rear its cynical head recently as they suddenly seem to be the dominant voice on these discussion pages now that things are looking good again; shoving shame down the throats of those genuine Rovers fans that still continue to ask awkward questions. I have read a lot of Happy-Clappers on the internet trying to engage in all kinds of arguments whilst discussing what the Venkys have done to Rovers; many of these Venkys Apologists that present themselves as emissaries of moderation are on the 'Blame the Rovers fans' side of the debate and it is fascinating listening to and watching how they interpret events through the prism of their deeply entrenched belief system - 'beliefs' about what they consider to be 'moral truths' but these 'truths' are nothing more than Orwellian Newspeak where reality is turned upside down - hate is love, war is peace. I genuinely wonder whether some of these people are in the employ of the dastardly Venkys - sitting on their large wobbly bottoms in front of computers whilst they operate a full scale lying propaganda machine attempting to command and organise the organs of public opinion and our perception of reality through a manipulation of history. If these so-called Rovers fans (those in the minority who genuinely care more about the Venkys than the club) are allowed to propagate their Happy-Clapper ultra authoritarian mind set, then no matter how objective, relevant or empirically sound those who are opposed to the Venkys might be when our contrary opinions are presented to the nasty noisy negativist Venkys Deniers, they will continue to believe that they do not need to engage with our opinions because they have decided they think we are immoral, (more on this cruel arrogance later). I believe that if any evidence/opinion is sound, then it is relevant and therefore should be listened to. However, the Happy-Clapper flotilla of disinformation is just this side of insultingly stupid rendering any form of discourse with them frustrating. What the Venkys Apologists don't understand is that in any discourse, strong objectivity cannot be achieved by bias; strongly opposing - opposing views - through obfuscation, silencing and bullying tactics does not promote free speech and is an upside down reality. Unfortunately, this is often a tactical tool of discourse by the Happy-Clappers. Disregarding contrary evidence or opinion and imputing ill intent on the person presenting it is a favourite trick of Happy-Clappers/Venky s Deniers/ Venkys Apologists - no matter how empirically cogent and rational the opinion presented is - instead they counter with lies, half truths and slippery evasions. I believe that the way true Rovers fans are often ambushed when discussing the Venkys and then attacked for something completely different by insolent and petulant Venkys propaganda parrots who prefer to smear and sneer is a well worn tactic by the Happy-Clappers who tend to find it difficult to put aside any of their unreasonable convictions about what they feel Rovers fans ought to think. An extravagantly arrogant mind set leaving it impossible for them to be objective; sometimes disregarding evidence or questions that challenge them, leading to an aggressive projection of their views involving smarmy smugness, dishonesty and hostile rhetoric. Therefore Venkys Deniers often find it very difficult to engage on any issues in any other model but their own or tolerate those that do; they twist evidence to suite their own upside-down view of things smearing the character of anyone with opinions they do not agree with that make them feel uncomfortable, "You're only saying that because you're a...[insert hateful ugly accusation/insult]". In conclusion let us be clear; owd nick, greenscreener, rovrstid, BRFC 1875, incesteachsunday et al are not the voices of moderation. These were the people that blamed the fans for Steve Keans poor tactics, substitutions and transfers; they blamed the fans for the resignations of Williams and Finn and many others; they blamed the fans for the poor performances of Murphy, Best and Etu; they blame the fans for the debt the club is now in; they blame the fans for the looming FFP transfer embargo and they blamed the fans for relegation. This is obscene 'logic'. They cannot argue with the facts so they make their own up; Rovers fans boo when Rovers are winning and want Gary Bowyer to fail are a couple of their favourite lies. It's easy to side with the rich and powerful; the corporate media, Agents and multi billionaire owners of football clubs and far more difficult to stand up against. The Happy-Clappers choose to do the former while cynically traducing those people who chose to do the latter. This is the moral cowardice of opportunism. They know where the money and power is. What the corporate media did in blaming Rovers' fans for the very problems foisted upon them is a tried and tested media trick. Today we see the unemployed blamed for unemployment, the homeless blamed for homelessness and those in receipt of state welfare unemployment benefits are blamed for the national debt and the fact that Britain is bankrupt. The weakest, poorest and most vulnerable are blamed for the problems created by the strongest, richest and least vulnerable. It's easy to see from the writing style of many of the Happy-Clappers across the internet that they are educated and middle-class. They've looked at the images and listened to the descriptions of the protestors that have been presented by the ugly media narrative and fallen for the illusion of seeing them as thuggish bar brawlers; unreasonable, violent and ungrateful; racist, sexist and hateful. Of being 'poor'. And that last point is important because that is the real reason the Happy-Clappers do not like the fans/protestors/indi viduals that stood up against the looting of Blackburn Rovers by Jerome Anderson and his gang of pirates. The Happy-Clappers are synthetic middle-class Nuevo Riché SKY SPORTS Premier League era soulless consumers. They are not fans of the working man's game. They hate it. They're fans of lifeless, sterilised stadiums and expensive match day tickets that only they can afford. They enjoy the plastic seats, manufactured corporate atmosphere, names on players shirts, head ache inducing brightly coloured football boots and up- their-own-arse goal celebrations by players who run off to celebrate on their own in front of the nearest TV cameras. At best they're consumers and at worst they're tourists. These supine lickspittles have a myopic sense of history. They pepper us with their propaganda and would like us all to believe that it's all over. Everything is better. It's in the "past". No it isn't and they've got their 'tenses' mixed up. The Venkys and everything they've wrought upon Blackburn Rovers is still happening now in the present-continuous. The happy-clappers' minds may have been placated with the first form of communication from the Venkys in the three years since they acquired the club despite repeated pleas from Rovers fans, local MP's, local councillors, local business men, sponsors and even a very professionally produced and well received documentary - but better late than never, I suppose. Then again, i think the Venkys have been well and truly shafted as well. They have been badly advised by Anderson, Kean and Singh not to mention Agnew. Their own lawyer described Rovers current Director as a "renegade out of control Director" - no one has ever explained precisely what that means. They've paid out a small fortune to Keane, Appleton and Berg and i believe are still paying Singh's wages. Singh meant well but the man was a buffoon and what in the name of God is the pension thieving con artist Hendry still doing at the club? What a fall from grace for a player i used to idolise from The Blackburn End terrace. The Venkys were also badly advised on the sale of Jones to Manchester United plus they're putting £3million a month into the club just to keep it alive. I would not be surprised if there was just a touch of criminal activity going on in the Ewood Park corridors of power back in 2010-2012. As a humane person i can't help but feel a bit sorry for them. Then i think of the atrocious arrogance they have shown with their deafening silence these past three years. The open letter recently published was as good as one could expect. I was fine with it. I welcomed it and it is a start but let's not kid ourselves; the club was moving forward and did not need rebuilding until the Venkys gutted it. I don't agree with those who think Bowyer should be sterner in his criticisms of the Venkys when being interviewed, that's naïve and unreasonable. Indeed, i am sometimes surprised when Bowyer does refer to the traumas of the past three years and the need to rebuild on and off the pitch and repair the damaged relationship with the fans. He is of course correct and i think that in itself is quite strong language so nice one Gary. Also, I would rather trust Bowyers assessment of Varney. What Bowyer wants is hard working, committed and professionally minded footballers who wo will lead by example and help the youngsters. Varney must be a breath of fresh air around the place after Best, Murphy, Campbell et al. I totally understand those who are critical of the signing - and those who are not critical - I'd rather wait and see and trust Bowyers judgement. I'd give Dunn a take it or leave it pay-as-you-play deal. I'd hope he'd take it, he still has something to offer and we need his skill and experience. Surely the young man's a millionaire by now? As for the 2013-2014 season, i have mixed emotions. It was a very poor league and crying out for any team to put a decent little run together. Derby managed it and even Bournemouth nearly sneaked in. Burnley did not have many decent results after being dumped out of the League Cup by West Ham's Reserves yet finished second. That's how poor the league was. In a decent league Rovers would have struggled and Burnley would not have been promoted. Sheff' Wed's and Birmingham at Christmas and Sheff' Wed's and Yeovil at Easter were the games that cost us the Play Offs but obviously you could chose any games. The Yeovil result was a disgrace. I'm still not convinced Bowyer can get us promoted. He is a decent man and has worked a minor miracle and will need time if he is to succeed. Rovers should look at Burnley and Dyche. I desperately hope any Rovers manager will succeed and would be particularly pleased for Bowyer and his team of coaches, physios and squad of players if successful because i consider Bowyer to be one of us and because of the passion, genuine love of the club and heartfelt concern for the fans he has displayed. He has also shown great dignity and strikes me as a man of good character. owd nick, greenscreener, rovrstid, BRFC1875, incesteachsunday et al will be the first to savagely demand Bowyer's sacking, their hateful impatience cascading from the slopes of Ewood Park demanding his head on a platter if Rovers do not have 6 points from their opening three games next season. These people are extremists. They portray themselves as a flock of sheep but really they are a pack of wolves, (though that is an insult to the noble wolf). They've put all their eggs in the Gary Bowyer basket and that is why any reasonable and rational words of caution are studiously attacked with patronising contempt. They are the enemies of everything that is good and proper. -------- The Venky's Reign of Error: The Strange Case of Steve Kean http://ewoodpark.jim do.com/the-venky-s-r eign-of-error-the-st range-case-of-steve- kean/ Rovers F.C.
  • Score: -29

1:56pm Mon 26 May 14

gaylegarnerkennedy says...

You need to take your dog out more often.
You need to take your dog out more often. gaylegarnerkennedy
  • Score: 14

3:48pm Mon 26 May 14

noddy57 says...

great professional ,used to watch basil making his darting runs and he gave 100 % , a very underrated full back who was mr reliable.
great professional ,used to watch basil making his darting runs and he gave 100 % , a very underrated full back who was mr reliable. noddy57
  • Score: 9

4:27pm Mon 26 May 14

greenscreener says...

Open response to Rovers F.C. Whoever you are and whatever your motives may be...

Sir, as you have decided to call me out on this in public I will reply, because you are attributing views and opinions to me that I do not hold.

If you actually go through the archives and read my words I have been consistently critical of Venkys, Anderson and Kean ever since they arrived. I have never blamed Rovers fans for any of the woes you describe and I have supported Gary Bowyer because he is repairing the club from the inside.

The fact is I am consistent, in my support for Rovers and my utter disdain for those, like yourself, who appear to want to create nothing but chaos and division.

If I am extreme about anything it is my passion for a club I have followed since the 70s and my defence of free speech, even for those, like yourself, who clearly think a gross generalisation will do when you have no actual facts on which to base your tirade.

RTID
Open response to Rovers F.C. Whoever you are and whatever your motives may be... Sir, as you have decided to call me out on this in public I will reply, because you are attributing views and opinions to me that I do not hold. If you actually go through the archives and read my words I have been consistently critical of Venkys, Anderson and Kean ever since they arrived. I have never blamed Rovers fans for any of the woes you describe and I have supported Gary Bowyer because he is repairing the club from the inside. The fact is I am consistent, in my support for Rovers and my utter disdain for those, like yourself, who appear to want to create nothing but chaos and division. If I am extreme about anything it is my passion for a club I have followed since the 70s and my defence of free speech, even for those, like yourself, who clearly think a gross generalisation will do when you have no actual facts on which to base your tirade. RTID greenscreener
  • Score: 9

5:10pm Mon 26 May 14

Old age pensioner says...

Rovers F.C. wrote:
Open letter to the Happy-Clappers/Venky

s Apologists/Venkys Deniers.
The Happy -Clappers dogma, inflexibility and immorality in the way they engage with true Rovers fans has begun to rear its cynical head recently as they suddenly seem to be the dominant voice on these discussion pages now that things are looking good again; shoving shame down the throats of those genuine Rovers fans that still continue to ask awkward questions.
I have read a lot of Happy-Clappers on the internet trying to engage in all kinds of arguments whilst discussing what the Venkys have done to Rovers; many of these Venkys Apologists that present themselves as emissaries of moderation are on the 'Blame the Rovers fans' side of the debate and it is fascinating listening to and watching how they interpret events through the prism of their deeply entrenched belief system - 'beliefs' about what they consider to be 'moral truths' but these 'truths' are nothing more than Orwellian Newspeak where reality is turned upside down - hate is love, war is peace.
I genuinely wonder whether some of these people are in the employ of the dastardly Venkys - sitting on their large wobbly bottoms in front of computers whilst they operate a full scale lying propaganda machine attempting to command and organise the organs of public opinion and our perception of reality through a manipulation of history.
If these so-called Rovers fans (those in the minority who genuinely care more about the Venkys than the club) are allowed to propagate their Happy-Clapper ultra authoritarian mind set, then no matter how objective, relevant or empirically sound those who are opposed to the Venkys might be when our contrary opinions are presented to the nasty noisy negativist Venkys Deniers, they will continue to believe that they do not need to engage with our opinions because they have decided they think we are immoral, (more on this cruel arrogance later).
I believe that if any evidence/opinion is sound, then it is relevant and therefore should be listened to.
However, the Happy-Clapper flotilla of disinformation is just this side of insultingly stupid rendering any form of discourse with them frustrating.
What the Venkys Apologists don't understand is that in any discourse, strong objectivity cannot be achieved by bias; strongly opposing - opposing views - through obfuscation, silencing and bullying tactics does not promote free speech and is an upside down reality. Unfortunately, this is often a tactical tool of discourse by the Happy-Clappers.
Disregarding contrary evidence or opinion and imputing ill intent on the person presenting it is a favourite trick of Happy-Clappers/Venky

s Deniers/ Venkys Apologists - no matter how empirically cogent and rational the opinion presented is - instead they counter with lies, half truths and slippery evasions.
I believe that the way true Rovers fans are often ambushed when discussing the Venkys and then attacked for something completely different by insolent and petulant Venkys propaganda parrots who prefer to smear and sneer is a well worn tactic by the Happy-Clappers who tend to find it difficult to put aside any of their unreasonable convictions about what they feel Rovers fans ought to think.
An extravagantly arrogant mind set leaving it impossible for them to be objective; sometimes disregarding evidence or questions that challenge them, leading to an aggressive projection of their views involving smarmy smugness, dishonesty and hostile rhetoric.
Therefore Venkys Deniers often find it very difficult to engage on any issues in any other model but their own or tolerate those that do; they twist evidence to suite their own upside-down view of things smearing the character of anyone with opinions they do not agree with that make them feel uncomfortable, "You're only saying that because you're a...".
In conclusion let us be clear; owd nick, greenscreener, rovrstid, BRFC 1875, incesteachsunday et al are not the voices of moderation. These were the people that blamed the fans for Steve Keans poor tactics, substitutions and transfers; they blamed the fans for the resignations of Williams and Finn and many others; they blamed the fans for the poor performances of Murphy, Best and Etu; they blame the fans for the debt the club is now in; they blame the fans for the looming FFP transfer embargo and they blamed the fans for relegation. This is obscene 'logic'.
They cannot argue with the facts so they make their own up; Rovers fans boo when Rovers are winning and want Gary Bowyer to fail are a couple of their favourite lies.
It's easy to side with the rich and powerful; the corporate media, Agents and multi billionaire owners of football clubs and far more difficult to stand up against. The Happy-Clappers choose to do the former while cynically traducing those people who chose to do the latter.
This is the moral cowardice of opportunism. They know where the money and power is.
What the corporate media did in blaming Rovers' fans for the very problems foisted upon them is a tried and tested media trick. Today we see the unemployed blamed for unemployment, the homeless blamed for homelessness and those in receipt of state welfare unemployment benefits are blamed for the national debt and the fact that Britain is bankrupt.
The weakest, poorest and most vulnerable are blamed for the problems created by the strongest, richest and least vulnerable.
It's easy to see from the writing style of many of the Happy-Clappers across the internet that they are educated and middle-class. They've looked at the images and listened to the descriptions of the protestors that have been presented by the ugly media narrative and fallen for the illusion of seeing them as thuggish bar brawlers; unreasonable, violent and ungrateful; racist, sexist and hateful. Of being 'poor'. And that last point is important because that is the real reason the Happy-Clappers do not like the fans/protestors/indi

viduals that stood up against the looting of Blackburn Rovers by Jerome Anderson and his gang of pirates.
The Happy-Clappers are synthetic middle-class Nuevo Riché SKY SPORTS Premier League era soulless consumers. They are not fans of the working man's game. They hate it. They're fans of lifeless, sterilised stadiums and expensive match day tickets that only they can afford. They enjoy the plastic seats, manufactured corporate atmosphere, names on players shirts, head ache inducing brightly coloured football boots and up- their-own-arse goal celebrations by players who run off to celebrate on their own in front of the nearest TV cameras. At best they're consumers and at worst they're tourists.
These supine lickspittles have a myopic sense of history. They pepper us with their propaganda and would like us all to believe that it's all over. Everything is better. It's in the "past". No it isn't and they've got their 'tenses' mixed up. The Venkys and everything they've wrought upon Blackburn Rovers is still happening now in the present-continuous.
The happy-clappers' minds may have been placated with the first form of communication from the Venkys in the three years since they acquired the club despite repeated pleas from Rovers fans, local MP's, local councillors, local business men, sponsors and even a very professionally produced and well received documentary - but better late than never, I suppose.
Then again, i think the Venkys have been well and truly shafted as well. They have been badly advised by Anderson, Kean and Singh not to mention Agnew. Their own lawyer described Rovers current Director as a "renegade out of control Director" - no one has ever explained precisely what that means. They've paid out a small fortune to Keane, Appleton and Berg and i believe are still paying Singh's wages. Singh meant well but the man was a buffoon and what in the name of God is the pension thieving con artist Hendry still doing at the club? What a fall from grace for a player i used to idolise from The Blackburn End terrace. The Venkys were also badly advised on the sale of Jones to Manchester United plus they're putting £3million a month into the club just to keep it alive. I would not be surprised if there was just a touch of criminal activity going on in the Ewood Park corridors of power back in 2010-2012. As a humane person i can't help but feel a bit sorry for them.
Then i think of the atrocious arrogance they have shown with their deafening silence these past three years.
The open letter recently published was as good as one could expect. I was fine with it. I welcomed it and it is a start but let's not kid ourselves; the club was moving forward and did not need rebuilding until the Venkys gutted it.
I don't agree with those who think Bowyer should be sterner in his criticisms of the Venkys when being interviewed, that's naïve and unreasonable. Indeed, i am sometimes surprised when Bowyer does refer to the traumas of the past three years and the need to rebuild on and off the pitch and repair the damaged relationship with the fans. He is of course correct and i think that in itself is quite strong language so nice one Gary.
Also, I would rather trust Bowyers assessment of Varney. What Bowyer wants is hard working, committed and professionally minded footballers who wo will lead by example and help the youngsters. Varney must be a breath of fresh air around the place after Best, Murphy, Campbell et al.
I totally understand those who are critical of the signing - and those who are not critical - I'd rather wait and see and trust Bowyers judgement. I'd give Dunn a take it or leave it pay-as-you-play deal. I'd hope he'd take it, he still has something to offer and we need his skill and experience. Surely the young man's a millionaire by now?
As for the 2013-2014 season, i have mixed emotions. It was a very poor league and crying out for any team to put a decent little run together. Derby managed it and even Bournemouth nearly sneaked in. Burnley did not have many decent results after being dumped out of the League Cup by West Ham's Reserves yet finished second. That's how poor the league was.
In a decent league Rovers would have struggled and Burnley would not have been promoted. Sheff' Wed's and Birmingham at Christmas and Sheff' Wed's and Yeovil at Easter were the games that cost us the Play Offs but obviously you could chose any games. The Yeovil result was a disgrace.
I'm still not convinced Bowyer can get us promoted. He is a decent man and has worked a minor miracle and will need time if he is to succeed. Rovers should look at Burnley and Dyche. I desperately hope any Rovers manager will succeed and would be particularly pleased for Bowyer and his team of coaches, physios and squad of players if successful because i consider Bowyer to be one of us and because of the passion, genuine love of the club and heartfelt concern for the fans he has displayed. He has also shown great dignity and strikes me as a man of good character.
owd nick, greenscreener, rovrstid, BRFC1875, incesteachsunday et al will be the first to savagely demand Bowyer's sacking, their hateful impatience cascading from the slopes of Ewood Park demanding his head on a platter if Rovers do not have 6 points from their opening three games next season.
These people are extremists. They portray themselves as a flock of sheep but really they are a pack of wolves, (though that is an insult to the noble wolf). They've put all their eggs in the Gary Bowyer basket and that is why any reasonable and rational words of caution are studiously attacked with patronising contempt.
They are the enemies of everything that is good and proper.
--------
The Venky's Reign of Error: The Strange Case of Steve Kean
http://ewoodpark.jim

do.com/the-venky-s-r

eign-of-error-the-st

range-case-of-steve-

kean/
You sir have some good opinions and some bad ones IMO and that's the point, anyone can have an opinion, should you disagree with someone else, fine but the name calling is childish.
[quote][p][bold]Rovers F.C.[/bold] wrote: Open letter to the Happy-Clappers/Venky s Apologists/Venkys Deniers. The Happy -Clappers dogma, inflexibility and immorality in the way they engage with true Rovers fans has begun to rear its cynical head recently as they suddenly seem to be the dominant voice on these discussion pages now that things are looking good again; shoving shame down the throats of those genuine Rovers fans that still continue to ask awkward questions. I have read a lot of Happy-Clappers on the internet trying to engage in all kinds of arguments whilst discussing what the Venkys have done to Rovers; many of these Venkys Apologists that present themselves as emissaries of moderation are on the 'Blame the Rovers fans' side of the debate and it is fascinating listening to and watching how they interpret events through the prism of their deeply entrenched belief system - 'beliefs' about what they consider to be 'moral truths' but these 'truths' are nothing more than Orwellian Newspeak where reality is turned upside down - hate is love, war is peace. I genuinely wonder whether some of these people are in the employ of the dastardly Venkys - sitting on their large wobbly bottoms in front of computers whilst they operate a full scale lying propaganda machine attempting to command and organise the organs of public opinion and our perception of reality through a manipulation of history. If these so-called Rovers fans (those in the minority who genuinely care more about the Venkys than the club) are allowed to propagate their Happy-Clapper ultra authoritarian mind set, then no matter how objective, relevant or empirically sound those who are opposed to the Venkys might be when our contrary opinions are presented to the nasty noisy negativist Venkys Deniers, they will continue to believe that they do not need to engage with our opinions because they have decided they think we are immoral, (more on this cruel arrogance later). I believe that if any evidence/opinion is sound, then it is relevant and therefore should be listened to. However, the Happy-Clapper flotilla of disinformation is just this side of insultingly stupid rendering any form of discourse with them frustrating. What the Venkys Apologists don't understand is that in any discourse, strong objectivity cannot be achieved by bias; strongly opposing - opposing views - through obfuscation, silencing and bullying tactics does not promote free speech and is an upside down reality. Unfortunately, this is often a tactical tool of discourse by the Happy-Clappers. Disregarding contrary evidence or opinion and imputing ill intent on the person presenting it is a favourite trick of Happy-Clappers/Venky s Deniers/ Venkys Apologists - no matter how empirically cogent and rational the opinion presented is - instead they counter with lies, half truths and slippery evasions. I believe that the way true Rovers fans are often ambushed when discussing the Venkys and then attacked for something completely different by insolent and petulant Venkys propaganda parrots who prefer to smear and sneer is a well worn tactic by the Happy-Clappers who tend to find it difficult to put aside any of their unreasonable convictions about what they feel Rovers fans ought to think. An extravagantly arrogant mind set leaving it impossible for them to be objective; sometimes disregarding evidence or questions that challenge them, leading to an aggressive projection of their views involving smarmy smugness, dishonesty and hostile rhetoric. Therefore Venkys Deniers often find it very difficult to engage on any issues in any other model but their own or tolerate those that do; they twist evidence to suite their own upside-down view of things smearing the character of anyone with opinions they do not agree with that make them feel uncomfortable, "You're only saying that because you're a...[insert hateful ugly accusation/insult]". In conclusion let us be clear; owd nick, greenscreener, rovrstid, BRFC 1875, incesteachsunday et al are not the voices of moderation. These were the people that blamed the fans for Steve Keans poor tactics, substitutions and transfers; they blamed the fans for the resignations of Williams and Finn and many others; they blamed the fans for the poor performances of Murphy, Best and Etu; they blame the fans for the debt the club is now in; they blame the fans for the looming FFP transfer embargo and they blamed the fans for relegation. This is obscene 'logic'. They cannot argue with the facts so they make their own up; Rovers fans boo when Rovers are winning and want Gary Bowyer to fail are a couple of their favourite lies. It's easy to side with the rich and powerful; the corporate media, Agents and multi billionaire owners of football clubs and far more difficult to stand up against. The Happy-Clappers choose to do the former while cynically traducing those people who chose to do the latter. This is the moral cowardice of opportunism. They know where the money and power is. What the corporate media did in blaming Rovers' fans for the very problems foisted upon them is a tried and tested media trick. Today we see the unemployed blamed for unemployment, the homeless blamed for homelessness and those in receipt of state welfare unemployment benefits are blamed for the national debt and the fact that Britain is bankrupt. The weakest, poorest and most vulnerable are blamed for the problems created by the strongest, richest and least vulnerable. It's easy to see from the writing style of many of the Happy-Clappers across the internet that they are educated and middle-class. They've looked at the images and listened to the descriptions of the protestors that have been presented by the ugly media narrative and fallen for the illusion of seeing them as thuggish bar brawlers; unreasonable, violent and ungrateful; racist, sexist and hateful. Of being 'poor'. And that last point is important because that is the real reason the Happy-Clappers do not like the fans/protestors/indi viduals that stood up against the looting of Blackburn Rovers by Jerome Anderson and his gang of pirates. The Happy-Clappers are synthetic middle-class Nuevo Riché SKY SPORTS Premier League era soulless consumers. They are not fans of the working man's game. They hate it. They're fans of lifeless, sterilised stadiums and expensive match day tickets that only they can afford. They enjoy the plastic seats, manufactured corporate atmosphere, names on players shirts, head ache inducing brightly coloured football boots and up- their-own-arse goal celebrations by players who run off to celebrate on their own in front of the nearest TV cameras. At best they're consumers and at worst they're tourists. These supine lickspittles have a myopic sense of history. They pepper us with their propaganda and would like us all to believe that it's all over. Everything is better. It's in the "past". No it isn't and they've got their 'tenses' mixed up. The Venkys and everything they've wrought upon Blackburn Rovers is still happening now in the present-continuous. The happy-clappers' minds may have been placated with the first form of communication from the Venkys in the three years since they acquired the club despite repeated pleas from Rovers fans, local MP's, local councillors, local business men, sponsors and even a very professionally produced and well received documentary - but better late than never, I suppose. Then again, i think the Venkys have been well and truly shafted as well. They have been badly advised by Anderson, Kean and Singh not to mention Agnew. Their own lawyer described Rovers current Director as a "renegade out of control Director" - no one has ever explained precisely what that means. They've paid out a small fortune to Keane, Appleton and Berg and i believe are still paying Singh's wages. Singh meant well but the man was a buffoon and what in the name of God is the pension thieving con artist Hendry still doing at the club? What a fall from grace for a player i used to idolise from The Blackburn End terrace. The Venkys were also badly advised on the sale of Jones to Manchester United plus they're putting £3million a month into the club just to keep it alive. I would not be surprised if there was just a touch of criminal activity going on in the Ewood Park corridors of power back in 2010-2012. As a humane person i can't help but feel a bit sorry for them. Then i think of the atrocious arrogance they have shown with their deafening silence these past three years. The open letter recently published was as good as one could expect. I was fine with it. I welcomed it and it is a start but let's not kid ourselves; the club was moving forward and did not need rebuilding until the Venkys gutted it. I don't agree with those who think Bowyer should be sterner in his criticisms of the Venkys when being interviewed, that's naïve and unreasonable. Indeed, i am sometimes surprised when Bowyer does refer to the traumas of the past three years and the need to rebuild on and off the pitch and repair the damaged relationship with the fans. He is of course correct and i think that in itself is quite strong language so nice one Gary. Also, I would rather trust Bowyers assessment of Varney. What Bowyer wants is hard working, committed and professionally minded footballers who wo will lead by example and help the youngsters. Varney must be a breath of fresh air around the place after Best, Murphy, Campbell et al. I totally understand those who are critical of the signing - and those who are not critical - I'd rather wait and see and trust Bowyers judgement. I'd give Dunn a take it or leave it pay-as-you-play deal. I'd hope he'd take it, he still has something to offer and we need his skill and experience. Surely the young man's a millionaire by now? As for the 2013-2014 season, i have mixed emotions. It was a very poor league and crying out for any team to put a decent little run together. Derby managed it and even Bournemouth nearly sneaked in. Burnley did not have many decent results after being dumped out of the League Cup by West Ham's Reserves yet finished second. That's how poor the league was. In a decent league Rovers would have struggled and Burnley would not have been promoted. Sheff' Wed's and Birmingham at Christmas and Sheff' Wed's and Yeovil at Easter were the games that cost us the Play Offs but obviously you could chose any games. The Yeovil result was a disgrace. I'm still not convinced Bowyer can get us promoted. He is a decent man and has worked a minor miracle and will need time if he is to succeed. Rovers should look at Burnley and Dyche. I desperately hope any Rovers manager will succeed and would be particularly pleased for Bowyer and his team of coaches, physios and squad of players if successful because i consider Bowyer to be one of us and because of the passion, genuine love of the club and heartfelt concern for the fans he has displayed. He has also shown great dignity and strikes me as a man of good character. owd nick, greenscreener, rovrstid, BRFC1875, incesteachsunday et al will be the first to savagely demand Bowyer's sacking, their hateful impatience cascading from the slopes of Ewood Park demanding his head on a platter if Rovers do not have 6 points from their opening three games next season. These people are extremists. They portray themselves as a flock of sheep but really they are a pack of wolves, (though that is an insult to the noble wolf). They've put all their eggs in the Gary Bowyer basket and that is why any reasonable and rational words of caution are studiously attacked with patronising contempt. They are the enemies of everything that is good and proper. -------- The Venky's Reign of Error: The Strange Case of Steve Kean http://ewoodpark.jim do.com/the-venky-s-r eign-of-error-the-st range-case-of-steve- kean/[/p][/quote]You sir have some good opinions and some bad ones IMO and that's the point, anyone can have an opinion, should you disagree with someone else, fine but the name calling is childish. Old age pensioner
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6:45pm Mon 26 May 14

Steven Seagull says...

Rovers F.C. wrote:
Open letter to the Happy-Clappers/Venky

s Apologists/Venkys Deniers.
The Happy -Clappers dogma, inflexibility and immorality in the way they engage with true Rovers fans has begun to rear its cynical head recently as they suddenly seem to be the dominant voice on these discussion pages now that things are looking good again; shoving shame down the throats of those genuine Rovers fans that still continue to ask awkward questions.
I have read a lot of Happy-Clappers on the internet trying to engage in all kinds of arguments whilst discussing what the Venkys have done to Rovers; many of these Venkys Apologists that present themselves as emissaries of moderation are on the 'Blame the Rovers fans' side of the debate and it is fascinating listening to and watching how they interpret events through the prism of their deeply entrenched belief system - 'beliefs' about what they consider to be 'moral truths' but these 'truths' are nothing more than Orwellian Newspeak where reality is turned upside down - hate is love, war is peace.
I genuinely wonder whether some of these people are in the employ of the dastardly Venkys - sitting on their large wobbly bottoms in front of computers whilst they operate a full scale lying propaganda machine attempting to command and organise the organs of public opinion and our perception of reality through a manipulation of history.
If these so-called Rovers fans (those in the minority who genuinely care more about the Venkys than the club) are allowed to propagate their Happy-Clapper ultra authoritarian mind set, then no matter how objective, relevant or empirically sound those who are opposed to the Venkys might be when our contrary opinions are presented to the nasty noisy negativist Venkys Deniers, they will continue to believe that they do not need to engage with our opinions because they have decided they think we are immoral, (more on this cruel arrogance later).
I believe that if any evidence/opinion is sound, then it is relevant and therefore should be listened to.
However, the Happy-Clapper flotilla of disinformation is just this side of insultingly stupid rendering any form of discourse with them frustrating.
What the Venkys Apologists don't understand is that in any discourse, strong objectivity cannot be achieved by bias; strongly opposing - opposing views - through obfuscation, silencing and bullying tactics does not promote free speech and is an upside down reality. Unfortunately, this is often a tactical tool of discourse by the Happy-Clappers.
Disregarding contrary evidence or opinion and imputing ill intent on the person presenting it is a favourite trick of Happy-Clappers/Venky

s Deniers/ Venkys Apologists - no matter how empirically cogent and rational the opinion presented is - instead they counter with lies, half truths and slippery evasions.
I believe that the way true Rovers fans are often ambushed when discussing the Venkys and then attacked for something completely different by insolent and petulant Venkys propaganda parrots who prefer to smear and sneer is a well worn tactic by the Happy-Clappers who tend to find it difficult to put aside any of their unreasonable convictions about what they feel Rovers fans ought to think.
An extravagantly arrogant mind set leaving it impossible for them to be objective; sometimes disregarding evidence or questions that challenge them, leading to an aggressive projection of their views involving smarmy smugness, dishonesty and hostile rhetoric.
Therefore Venkys Deniers often find it very difficult to engage on any issues in any other model but their own or tolerate those that do; they twist evidence to suite their own upside-down view of things smearing the character of anyone with opinions they do not agree with that make them feel uncomfortable, "You're only saying that because you're a...".
In conclusion let us be clear; owd nick, greenscreener, rovrstid, BRFC 1875, incesteachsunday et al are not the voices of moderation. These were the people that blamed the fans for Steve Keans poor tactics, substitutions and transfers; they blamed the fans for the resignations of Williams and Finn and many others; they blamed the fans for the poor performances of Murphy, Best and Etu; they blame the fans for the debt the club is now in; they blame the fans for the looming FFP transfer embargo and they blamed the fans for relegation. This is obscene 'logic'.
They cannot argue with the facts so they make their own up; Rovers fans boo when Rovers are winning and want Gary Bowyer to fail are a couple of their favourite lies.
It's easy to side with the rich and powerful; the corporate media, Agents and multi billionaire owners of football clubs and far more difficult to stand up against. The Happy-Clappers choose to do the former while cynically traducing those people who chose to do the latter.
This is the moral cowardice of opportunism. They know where the money and power is.
What the corporate media did in blaming Rovers' fans for the very problems foisted upon them is a tried and tested media trick. Today we see the unemployed blamed for unemployment, the homeless blamed for homelessness and those in receipt of state welfare unemployment benefits are blamed for the national debt and the fact that Britain is bankrupt.
The weakest, poorest and most vulnerable are blamed for the problems created by the strongest, richest and least vulnerable.
It's easy to see from the writing style of many of the Happy-Clappers across the internet that they are educated and middle-class. They've looked at the images and listened to the descriptions of the protestors that have been presented by the ugly media narrative and fallen for the illusion of seeing them as thuggish bar brawlers; unreasonable, violent and ungrateful; racist, sexist and hateful. Of being 'poor'. And that last point is important because that is the real reason the Happy-Clappers do not like the fans/protestors/indi

viduals that stood up against the looting of Blackburn Rovers by Jerome Anderson and his gang of pirates.
The Happy-Clappers are synthetic middle-class Nuevo Riché SKY SPORTS Premier League era soulless consumers. They are not fans of the working man's game. They hate it. They're fans of lifeless, sterilised stadiums and expensive match day tickets that only they can afford. They enjoy the plastic seats, manufactured corporate atmosphere, names on players shirts, head ache inducing brightly coloured football boots and up- their-own-arse goal celebrations by players who run off to celebrate on their own in front of the nearest TV cameras. At best they're consumers and at worst they're tourists.
These supine lickspittles have a myopic sense of history. They pepper us with their propaganda and would like us all to believe that it's all over. Everything is better. It's in the "past". No it isn't and they've got their 'tenses' mixed up. The Venkys and everything they've wrought upon Blackburn Rovers is still happening now in the present-continuous.
The happy-clappers' minds may have been placated with the first form of communication from the Venkys in the three years since they acquired the club despite repeated pleas from Rovers fans, local MP's, local councillors, local business men, sponsors and even a very professionally produced and well received documentary - but better late than never, I suppose.
Then again, i think the Venkys have been well and truly shafted as well. They have been badly advised by Anderson, Kean and Singh not to mention Agnew. Their own lawyer described Rovers current Director as a "renegade out of control Director" - no one has ever explained precisely what that means. They've paid out a small fortune to Keane, Appleton and Berg and i believe are still paying Singh's wages. Singh meant well but the man was a buffoon and what in the name of God is the pension thieving con artist Hendry still doing at the club? What a fall from grace for a player i used to idolise from The Blackburn End terrace. The Venkys were also badly advised on the sale of Jones to Manchester United plus they're putting £3million a month into the club just to keep it alive. I would not be surprised if there was just a touch of criminal activity going on in the Ewood Park corridors of power back in 2010-2012. As a humane person i can't help but feel a bit sorry for them.
Then i think of the atrocious arrogance they have shown with their deafening silence these past three years.
The open letter recently published was as good as one could expect. I was fine with it. I welcomed it and it is a start but let's not kid ourselves; the club was moving forward and did not need rebuilding until the Venkys gutted it.
I don't agree with those who think Bowyer should be sterner in his criticisms of the Venkys when being interviewed, that's naïve and unreasonable. Indeed, i am sometimes surprised when Bowyer does refer to the traumas of the past three years and the need to rebuild on and off the pitch and repair the damaged relationship with the fans. He is of course correct and i think that in itself is quite strong language so nice one Gary.
Also, I would rather trust Bowyers assessment of Varney. What Bowyer wants is hard working, committed and professionally minded footballers who wo will lead by example and help the youngsters. Varney must be a breath of fresh air around the place after Best, Murphy, Campbell et al.
I totally understand those who are critical of the signing - and those who are not critical - I'd rather wait and see and trust Bowyers judgement. I'd give Dunn a take it or leave it pay-as-you-play deal. I'd hope he'd take it, he still has something to offer and we need his skill and experience. Surely the young man's a millionaire by now?
As for the 2013-2014 season, i have mixed emotions. It was a very poor league and crying out for any team to put a decent little run together. Derby managed it and even Bournemouth nearly sneaked in. Burnley did not have many decent results after being dumped out of the League Cup by West Ham's Reserves yet finished second. That's how poor the league was.
In a decent league Rovers would have struggled and Burnley would not have been promoted. Sheff' Wed's and Birmingham at Christmas and Sheff' Wed's and Yeovil at Easter were the games that cost us the Play Offs but obviously you could chose any games. The Yeovil result was a disgrace.
I'm still not convinced Bowyer can get us promoted. He is a decent man and has worked a minor miracle and will need time if he is to succeed. Rovers should look at Burnley and Dyche. I desperately hope any Rovers manager will succeed and would be particularly pleased for Bowyer and his team of coaches, physios and squad of players if successful because i consider Bowyer to be one of us and because of the passion, genuine love of the club and heartfelt concern for the fans he has displayed. He has also shown great dignity and strikes me as a man of good character.
owd nick, greenscreener, rovrstid, BRFC1875, incesteachsunday et al will be the first to savagely demand Bowyer's sacking, their hateful impatience cascading from the slopes of Ewood Park demanding his head on a platter if Rovers do not have 6 points from their opening three games next season.
These people are extremists. They portray themselves as a flock of sheep but really they are a pack of wolves, (though that is an insult to the noble wolf). They've put all their eggs in the Gary Bowyer basket and that is why any reasonable and rational words of caution are studiously attacked with patronising contempt.
They are the enemies of everything that is good and proper.
--------
The Venky's Reign of Error: The Strange Case of Steve Kean
http://ewoodpark.jim

do.com/the-venky-s-r

eign-of-error-the-st

range-case-of-steve-

kean/
Yeah......... what he just said!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Rovers F.C.[/bold] wrote: Open letter to the Happy-Clappers/Venky s Apologists/Venkys Deniers. The Happy -Clappers dogma, inflexibility and immorality in the way they engage with true Rovers fans has begun to rear its cynical head recently as they suddenly seem to be the dominant voice on these discussion pages now that things are looking good again; shoving shame down the throats of those genuine Rovers fans that still continue to ask awkward questions. I have read a lot of Happy-Clappers on the internet trying to engage in all kinds of arguments whilst discussing what the Venkys have done to Rovers; many of these Venkys Apologists that present themselves as emissaries of moderation are on the 'Blame the Rovers fans' side of the debate and it is fascinating listening to and watching how they interpret events through the prism of their deeply entrenched belief system - 'beliefs' about what they consider to be 'moral truths' but these 'truths' are nothing more than Orwellian Newspeak where reality is turned upside down - hate is love, war is peace. I genuinely wonder whether some of these people are in the employ of the dastardly Venkys - sitting on their large wobbly bottoms in front of computers whilst they operate a full scale lying propaganda machine attempting to command and organise the organs of public opinion and our perception of reality through a manipulation of history. If these so-called Rovers fans (those in the minority who genuinely care more about the Venkys than the club) are allowed to propagate their Happy-Clapper ultra authoritarian mind set, then no matter how objective, relevant or empirically sound those who are opposed to the Venkys might be when our contrary opinions are presented to the nasty noisy negativist Venkys Deniers, they will continue to believe that they do not need to engage with our opinions because they have decided they think we are immoral, (more on this cruel arrogance later). I believe that if any evidence/opinion is sound, then it is relevant and therefore should be listened to. However, the Happy-Clapper flotilla of disinformation is just this side of insultingly stupid rendering any form of discourse with them frustrating. What the Venkys Apologists don't understand is that in any discourse, strong objectivity cannot be achieved by bias; strongly opposing - opposing views - through obfuscation, silencing and bullying tactics does not promote free speech and is an upside down reality. Unfortunately, this is often a tactical tool of discourse by the Happy-Clappers. Disregarding contrary evidence or opinion and imputing ill intent on the person presenting it is a favourite trick of Happy-Clappers/Venky s Deniers/ Venkys Apologists - no matter how empirically cogent and rational the opinion presented is - instead they counter with lies, half truths and slippery evasions. I believe that the way true Rovers fans are often ambushed when discussing the Venkys and then attacked for something completely different by insolent and petulant Venkys propaganda parrots who prefer to smear and sneer is a well worn tactic by the Happy-Clappers who tend to find it difficult to put aside any of their unreasonable convictions about what they feel Rovers fans ought to think. An extravagantly arrogant mind set leaving it impossible for them to be objective; sometimes disregarding evidence or questions that challenge them, leading to an aggressive projection of their views involving smarmy smugness, dishonesty and hostile rhetoric. Therefore Venkys Deniers often find it very difficult to engage on any issues in any other model but their own or tolerate those that do; they twist evidence to suite their own upside-down view of things smearing the character of anyone with opinions they do not agree with that make them feel uncomfortable, "You're only saying that because you're a...[insert hateful ugly accusation/insult]". In conclusion let us be clear; owd nick, greenscreener, rovrstid, BRFC 1875, incesteachsunday et al are not the voices of moderation. These were the people that blamed the fans for Steve Keans poor tactics, substitutions and transfers; they blamed the fans for the resignations of Williams and Finn and many others; they blamed the fans for the poor performances of Murphy, Best and Etu; they blame the fans for the debt the club is now in; they blame the fans for the looming FFP transfer embargo and they blamed the fans for relegation. This is obscene 'logic'. They cannot argue with the facts so they make their own up; Rovers fans boo when Rovers are winning and want Gary Bowyer to fail are a couple of their favourite lies. It's easy to side with the rich and powerful; the corporate media, Agents and multi billionaire owners of football clubs and far more difficult to stand up against. The Happy-Clappers choose to do the former while cynically traducing those people who chose to do the latter. This is the moral cowardice of opportunism. They know where the money and power is. What the corporate media did in blaming Rovers' fans for the very problems foisted upon them is a tried and tested media trick. Today we see the unemployed blamed for unemployment, the homeless blamed for homelessness and those in receipt of state welfare unemployment benefits are blamed for the national debt and the fact that Britain is bankrupt. The weakest, poorest and most vulnerable are blamed for the problems created by the strongest, richest and least vulnerable. It's easy to see from the writing style of many of the Happy-Clappers across the internet that they are educated and middle-class. They've looked at the images and listened to the descriptions of the protestors that have been presented by the ugly media narrative and fallen for the illusion of seeing them as thuggish bar brawlers; unreasonable, violent and ungrateful; racist, sexist and hateful. Of being 'poor'. And that last point is important because that is the real reason the Happy-Clappers do not like the fans/protestors/indi viduals that stood up against the looting of Blackburn Rovers by Jerome Anderson and his gang of pirates. The Happy-Clappers are synthetic middle-class Nuevo Riché SKY SPORTS Premier League era soulless consumers. They are not fans of the working man's game. They hate it. They're fans of lifeless, sterilised stadiums and expensive match day tickets that only they can afford. They enjoy the plastic seats, manufactured corporate atmosphere, names on players shirts, head ache inducing brightly coloured football boots and up- their-own-arse goal celebrations by players who run off to celebrate on their own in front of the nearest TV cameras. At best they're consumers and at worst they're tourists. These supine lickspittles have a myopic sense of history. They pepper us with their propaganda and would like us all to believe that it's all over. Everything is better. It's in the "past". No it isn't and they've got their 'tenses' mixed up. The Venkys and everything they've wrought upon Blackburn Rovers is still happening now in the present-continuous. The happy-clappers' minds may have been placated with the first form of communication from the Venkys in the three years since they acquired the club despite repeated pleas from Rovers fans, local MP's, local councillors, local business men, sponsors and even a very professionally produced and well received documentary - but better late than never, I suppose. Then again, i think the Venkys have been well and truly shafted as well. They have been badly advised by Anderson, Kean and Singh not to mention Agnew. Their own lawyer described Rovers current Director as a "renegade out of control Director" - no one has ever explained precisely what that means. They've paid out a small fortune to Keane, Appleton and Berg and i believe are still paying Singh's wages. Singh meant well but the man was a buffoon and what in the name of God is the pension thieving con artist Hendry still doing at the club? What a fall from grace for a player i used to idolise from The Blackburn End terrace. The Venkys were also badly advised on the sale of Jones to Manchester United plus they're putting £3million a month into the club just to keep it alive. I would not be surprised if there was just a touch of criminal activity going on in the Ewood Park corridors of power back in 2010-2012. As a humane person i can't help but feel a bit sorry for them. Then i think of the atrocious arrogance they have shown with their deafening silence these past three years. The open letter recently published was as good as one could expect. I was fine with it. I welcomed it and it is a start but let's not kid ourselves; the club was moving forward and did not need rebuilding until the Venkys gutted it. I don't agree with those who think Bowyer should be sterner in his criticisms of the Venkys when being interviewed, that's naïve and unreasonable. Indeed, i am sometimes surprised when Bowyer does refer to the traumas of the past three years and the need to rebuild on and off the pitch and repair the damaged relationship with the fans. He is of course correct and i think that in itself is quite strong language so nice one Gary. Also, I would rather trust Bowyers assessment of Varney. What Bowyer wants is hard working, committed and professionally minded footballers who wo will lead by example and help the youngsters. Varney must be a breath of fresh air around the place after Best, Murphy, Campbell et al. I totally understand those who are critical of the signing - and those who are not critical - I'd rather wait and see and trust Bowyers judgement. I'd give Dunn a take it or leave it pay-as-you-play deal. I'd hope he'd take it, he still has something to offer and we need his skill and experience. Surely the young man's a millionaire by now? As for the 2013-2014 season, i have mixed emotions. It was a very poor league and crying out for any team to put a decent little run together. Derby managed it and even Bournemouth nearly sneaked in. Burnley did not have many decent results after being dumped out of the League Cup by West Ham's Reserves yet finished second. That's how poor the league was. In a decent league Rovers would have struggled and Burnley would not have been promoted. Sheff' Wed's and Birmingham at Christmas and Sheff' Wed's and Yeovil at Easter were the games that cost us the Play Offs but obviously you could chose any games. The Yeovil result was a disgrace. I'm still not convinced Bowyer can get us promoted. He is a decent man and has worked a minor miracle and will need time if he is to succeed. Rovers should look at Burnley and Dyche. I desperately hope any Rovers manager will succeed and would be particularly pleased for Bowyer and his team of coaches, physios and squad of players if successful because i consider Bowyer to be one of us and because of the passion, genuine love of the club and heartfelt concern for the fans he has displayed. He has also shown great dignity and strikes me as a man of good character. owd nick, greenscreener, rovrstid, BRFC1875, incesteachsunday et al will be the first to savagely demand Bowyer's sacking, their hateful impatience cascading from the slopes of Ewood Park demanding his head on a platter if Rovers do not have 6 points from their opening three games next season. These people are extremists. They portray themselves as a flock of sheep but really they are a pack of wolves, (though that is an insult to the noble wolf). They've put all their eggs in the Gary Bowyer basket and that is why any reasonable and rational words of caution are studiously attacked with patronising contempt. They are the enemies of everything that is good and proper. -------- The Venky's Reign of Error: The Strange Case of Steve Kean http://ewoodpark.jim do.com/the-venky-s-r eign-of-error-the-st range-case-of-steve- kean/[/p][/quote]Yeah......... what he just said!!!!! Steven Seagull
  • Score: -3

7:04pm Mon 26 May 14

77'sss says...

Rovers f.c
Your a dingle in disguise ( and a bad one at that )
What kind of drivel are you spouting now
at least super claret is entertaining in his own little world
Rovers f.c Your a dingle in disguise ( and a bad one at that ) What kind of drivel are you spouting now at least super claret is entertaining in his own little world 77'sss
  • Score: 4

7:11pm Mon 26 May 14

Old age pensioner says...

77'sss wrote:
Rovers f.c
Your a dingle in disguise ( and a bad one at that )
What kind of drivel are you spouting now
at least super claret is entertaining in his own little world
Talking of SC, where is he? Not that I want to read his drivel but rumour has it he been banned, we can't be that lucky.
[quote][p][bold]77'sss[/bold] wrote: Rovers f.c Your a dingle in disguise ( and a bad one at that ) What kind of drivel are you spouting now at least super claret is entertaining in his own little world[/p][/quote]Talking of SC, where is he? Not that I want to read his drivel but rumour has it he been banned, we can't be that lucky. Old age pensioner
  • Score: 3

8:14pm Mon 26 May 14

Biscay says...

Rovers F.C. wrote:
Open letter to the Happy-Clappers/Venky

s Apologists/Venkys Deniers.
The Happy -Clappers dogma, inflexibility and immorality in the way they engage with true Rovers fans has begun to rear its cynical head recently as they suddenly seem to be the dominant voice on these discussion pages now that things are looking good again; shoving shame down the throats of those genuine Rovers fans that still continue to ask awkward questions.
I have read a lot of Happy-Clappers on the internet trying to engage in all kinds of arguments whilst discussing what the Venkys have done to Rovers; many of these Venkys Apologists that present themselves as emissaries of moderation are on the 'Blame the Rovers fans' side of the debate and it is fascinating listening to and watching how they interpret events through the prism of their deeply entrenched belief system - 'beliefs' about what they consider to be 'moral truths' but these 'truths' are nothing more than Orwellian Newspeak where reality is turned upside down - hate is love, war is peace.
I genuinely wonder whether some of these people are in the employ of the dastardly Venkys - sitting on their large wobbly bottoms in front of computers whilst they operate a full scale lying propaganda machine attempting to command and organise the organs of public opinion and our perception of reality through a manipulation of history.
If these so-called Rovers fans (those in the minority who genuinely care more about the Venkys than the club) are allowed to propagate their Happy-Clapper ultra authoritarian mind set, then no matter how objective, relevant or empirically sound those who are opposed to the Venkys might be when our contrary opinions are presented to the nasty noisy negativist Venkys Deniers, they will continue to believe that they do not need to engage with our opinions because they have decided they think we are immoral, (more on this cruel arrogance later).
I believe that if any evidence/opinion is sound, then it is relevant and therefore should be listened to.
However, the Happy-Clapper flotilla of disinformation is just this side of insultingly stupid rendering any form of discourse with them frustrating.
What the Venkys Apologists don't understand is that in any discourse, strong objectivity cannot be achieved by bias; strongly opposing - opposing views - through obfuscation, silencing and bullying tactics does not promote free speech and is an upside down reality. Unfortunately, this is often a tactical tool of discourse by the Happy-Clappers.
Disregarding contrary evidence or opinion and imputing ill intent on the person presenting it is a favourite trick of Happy-Clappers/Venky

s Deniers/ Venkys Apologists - no matter how empirically cogent and rational the opinion presented is - instead they counter with lies, half truths and slippery evasions.
I believe that the way true Rovers fans are often ambushed when discussing the Venkys and then attacked for something completely different by insolent and petulant Venkys propaganda parrots who prefer to smear and sneer is a well worn tactic by the Happy-Clappers who tend to find it difficult to put aside any of their unreasonable convictions about what they feel Rovers fans ought to think.
An extravagantly arrogant mind set leaving it impossible for them to be objective; sometimes disregarding evidence or questions that challenge them, leading to an aggressive projection of their views involving smarmy smugness, dishonesty and hostile rhetoric.
Therefore Venkys Deniers often find it very difficult to engage on any issues in any other model but their own or tolerate those that do; they twist evidence to suite their own upside-down view of things smearing the character of anyone with opinions they do not agree with that make them feel uncomfortable, "You're only saying that because you're a...".
In conclusion let us be clear; owd nick, greenscreener, rovrstid, BRFC 1875, incesteachsunday et al are not the voices of moderation. These were the people that blamed the fans for Steve Keans poor tactics, substitutions and transfers; they blamed the fans for the resignations of Williams and Finn and many others; they blamed the fans for the poor performances of Murphy, Best and Etu; they blame the fans for the debt the club is now in; they blame the fans for the looming FFP transfer embargo and they blamed the fans for relegation. This is obscene 'logic'.
They cannot argue with the facts so they make their own up; Rovers fans boo when Rovers are winning and want Gary Bowyer to fail are a couple of their favourite lies.
It's easy to side with the rich and powerful; the corporate media, Agents and multi billionaire owners of football clubs and far more difficult to stand up against. The Happy-Clappers choose to do the former while cynically traducing those people who chose to do the latter.
This is the moral cowardice of opportunism. They know where the money and power is.
What the corporate media did in blaming Rovers' fans for the very problems foisted upon them is a tried and tested media trick. Today we see the unemployed blamed for unemployment, the homeless blamed for homelessness and those in receipt of state welfare unemployment benefits are blamed for the national debt and the fact that Britain is bankrupt.
The weakest, poorest and most vulnerable are blamed for the problems created by the strongest, richest and least vulnerable.
It's easy to see from the writing style of many of the Happy-Clappers across the internet that they are educated and middle-class. They've looked at the images and listened to the descriptions of the protestors that have been presented by the ugly media narrative and fallen for the illusion of seeing them as thuggish bar brawlers; unreasonable, violent and ungrateful; racist, sexist and hateful. Of being 'poor'. And that last point is important because that is the real reason the Happy-Clappers do not like the fans/protestors/indi

viduals that stood up against the looting of Blackburn Rovers by Jerome Anderson and his gang of pirates.
The Happy-Clappers are synthetic middle-class Nuevo Riché SKY SPORTS Premier League era soulless consumers. They are not fans of the working man's game. They hate it. They're fans of lifeless, sterilised stadiums and expensive match day tickets that only they can afford. They enjoy the plastic seats, manufactured corporate atmosphere, names on players shirts, head ache inducing brightly coloured football boots and up- their-own-arse goal celebrations by players who run off to celebrate on their own in front of the nearest TV cameras. At best they're consumers and at worst they're tourists.
These supine lickspittles have a myopic sense of history. They pepper us with their propaganda and would like us all to believe that it's all over. Everything is better. It's in the "past". No it isn't and they've got their 'tenses' mixed up. The Venkys and everything they've wrought upon Blackburn Rovers is still happening now in the present-continuous.
The happy-clappers' minds may have been placated with the first form of communication from the Venkys in the three years since they acquired the club despite repeated pleas from Rovers fans, local MP's, local councillors, local business men, sponsors and even a very professionally produced and well received documentary - but better late than never, I suppose.
Then again, i think the Venkys have been well and truly shafted as well. They have been badly advised by Anderson, Kean and Singh not to mention Agnew. Their own lawyer described Rovers current Director as a "renegade out of control Director" - no one has ever explained precisely what that means. They've paid out a small fortune to Keane, Appleton and Berg and i believe are still paying Singh's wages. Singh meant well but the man was a buffoon and what in the name of God is the pension thieving con artist Hendry still doing at the club? What a fall from grace for a player i used to idolise from The Blackburn End terrace. The Venkys were also badly advised on the sale of Jones to Manchester United plus they're putting £3million a month into the club just to keep it alive. I would not be surprised if there was just a touch of criminal activity going on in the Ewood Park corridors of power back in 2010-2012. As a humane person i can't help but feel a bit sorry for them.
Then i think of the atrocious arrogance they have shown with their deafening silence these past three years.
The open letter recently published was as good as one could expect. I was fine with it. I welcomed it and it is a start but let's not kid ourselves; the club was moving forward and did not need rebuilding until the Venkys gutted it.
I don't agree with those who think Bowyer should be sterner in his criticisms of the Venkys when being interviewed, that's naïve and unreasonable. Indeed, i am sometimes surprised when Bowyer does refer to the traumas of the past three years and the need to rebuild on and off the pitch and repair the damaged relationship with the fans. He is of course correct and i think that in itself is quite strong language so nice one Gary.
Also, I would rather trust Bowyers assessment of Varney. What Bowyer wants is hard working, committed and professionally minded footballers who wo will lead by example and help the youngsters. Varney must be a breath of fresh air around the place after Best, Murphy, Campbell et al.
I totally understand those who are critical of the signing - and those who are not critical - I'd rather wait and see and trust Bowyers judgement. I'd give Dunn a take it or leave it pay-as-you-play deal. I'd hope he'd take it, he still has something to offer and we need his skill and experience. Surely the young man's a millionaire by now?
As for the 2013-2014 season, i have mixed emotions. It was a very poor league and crying out for any team to put a decent little run together. Derby managed it and even Bournemouth nearly sneaked in. Burnley did not have many decent results after being dumped out of the League Cup by West Ham's Reserves yet finished second. That's how poor the league was.
In a decent league Rovers would have struggled and Burnley would not have been promoted. Sheff' Wed's and Birmingham at Christmas and Sheff' Wed's and Yeovil at Easter were the games that cost us the Play Offs but obviously you could chose any games. The Yeovil result was a disgrace.
I'm still not convinced Bowyer can get us promoted. He is a decent man and has worked a minor miracle and will need time if he is to succeed. Rovers should look at Burnley and Dyche. I desperately hope any Rovers manager will succeed and would be particularly pleased for Bowyer and his team of coaches, physios and squad of players if successful because i consider Bowyer to be one of us and because of the passion, genuine love of the club and heartfelt concern for the fans he has displayed. He has also shown great dignity and strikes me as a man of good character.
owd nick, greenscreener, rovrstid, BRFC1875, incesteachsunday et al will be the first to savagely demand Bowyer's sacking, their hateful impatience cascading from the slopes of Ewood Park demanding his head on a platter if Rovers do not have 6 points from their opening three games next season.
These people are extremists. They portray themselves as a flock of sheep but really they are a pack of wolves, (though that is an insult to the noble wolf). They've put all their eggs in the Gary Bowyer basket and that is why any reasonable and rational words of caution are studiously attacked with patronising contempt.
They are the enemies of everything that is good and proper.
--------
The Venky's Reign of Error: The Strange Case of Steve Kean
http://ewoodpark.jim

do.com/the-venky-s-r

eign-of-error-the-st

range-case-of-steve-

kean/
http://www.autism.or
g.uk
[quote][p][bold]Rovers F.C.[/bold] wrote: Open letter to the Happy-Clappers/Venky s Apologists/Venkys Deniers. The Happy -Clappers dogma, inflexibility and immorality in the way they engage with true Rovers fans has begun to rear its cynical head recently as they suddenly seem to be the dominant voice on these discussion pages now that things are looking good again; shoving shame down the throats of those genuine Rovers fans that still continue to ask awkward questions. I have read a lot of Happy-Clappers on the internet trying to engage in all kinds of arguments whilst discussing what the Venkys have done to Rovers; many of these Venkys Apologists that present themselves as emissaries of moderation are on the 'Blame the Rovers fans' side of the debate and it is fascinating listening to and watching how they interpret events through the prism of their deeply entrenched belief system - 'beliefs' about what they consider to be 'moral truths' but these 'truths' are nothing more than Orwellian Newspeak where reality is turned upside down - hate is love, war is peace. I genuinely wonder whether some of these people are in the employ of the dastardly Venkys - sitting on their large wobbly bottoms in front of computers whilst they operate a full scale lying propaganda machine attempting to command and organise the organs of public opinion and our perception of reality through a manipulation of history. If these so-called Rovers fans (those in the minority who genuinely care more about the Venkys than the club) are allowed to propagate their Happy-Clapper ultra authoritarian mind set, then no matter how objective, relevant or empirically sound those who are opposed to the Venkys might be when our contrary opinions are presented to the nasty noisy negativist Venkys Deniers, they will continue to believe that they do not need to engage with our opinions because they have decided they think we are immoral, (more on this cruel arrogance later). I believe that if any evidence/opinion is sound, then it is relevant and therefore should be listened to. However, the Happy-Clapper flotilla of disinformation is just this side of insultingly stupid rendering any form of discourse with them frustrating. What the Venkys Apologists don't understand is that in any discourse, strong objectivity cannot be achieved by bias; strongly opposing - opposing views - through obfuscation, silencing and bullying tactics does not promote free speech and is an upside down reality. Unfortunately, this is often a tactical tool of discourse by the Happy-Clappers. Disregarding contrary evidence or opinion and imputing ill intent on the person presenting it is a favourite trick of Happy-Clappers/Venky s Deniers/ Venkys Apologists - no matter how empirically cogent and rational the opinion presented is - instead they counter with lies, half truths and slippery evasions. I believe that the way true Rovers fans are often ambushed when discussing the Venkys and then attacked for something completely different by insolent and petulant Venkys propaganda parrots who prefer to smear and sneer is a well worn tactic by the Happy-Clappers who tend to find it difficult to put aside any of their unreasonable convictions about what they feel Rovers fans ought to think. An extravagantly arrogant mind set leaving it impossible for them to be objective; sometimes disregarding evidence or questions that challenge them, leading to an aggressive projection of their views involving smarmy smugness, dishonesty and hostile rhetoric. Therefore Venkys Deniers often find it very difficult to engage on any issues in any other model but their own or tolerate those that do; they twist evidence to suite their own upside-down view of things smearing the character of anyone with opinions they do not agree with that make them feel uncomfortable, "You're only saying that because you're a...[insert hateful ugly accusation/insult]". In conclusion let us be clear; owd nick, greenscreener, rovrstid, BRFC 1875, incesteachsunday et al are not the voices of moderation. These were the people that blamed the fans for Steve Keans poor tactics, substitutions and transfers; they blamed the fans for the resignations of Williams and Finn and many others; they blamed the fans for the poor performances of Murphy, Best and Etu; they blame the fans for the debt the club is now in; they blame the fans for the looming FFP transfer embargo and they blamed the fans for relegation. This is obscene 'logic'. They cannot argue with the facts so they make their own up; Rovers fans boo when Rovers are winning and want Gary Bowyer to fail are a couple of their favourite lies. It's easy to side with the rich and powerful; the corporate media, Agents and multi billionaire owners of football clubs and far more difficult to stand up against. The Happy-Clappers choose to do the former while cynically traducing those people who chose to do the latter. This is the moral cowardice of opportunism. They know where the money and power is. What the corporate media did in blaming Rovers' fans for the very problems foisted upon them is a tried and tested media trick. Today we see the unemployed blamed for unemployment, the homeless blamed for homelessness and those in receipt of state welfare unemployment benefits are blamed for the national debt and the fact that Britain is bankrupt. The weakest, poorest and most vulnerable are blamed for the problems created by the strongest, richest and least vulnerable. It's easy to see from the writing style of many of the Happy-Clappers across the internet that they are educated and middle-class. They've looked at the images and listened to the descriptions of the protestors that have been presented by the ugly media narrative and fallen for the illusion of seeing them as thuggish bar brawlers; unreasonable, violent and ungrateful; racist, sexist and hateful. Of being 'poor'. And that last point is important because that is the real reason the Happy-Clappers do not like the fans/protestors/indi viduals that stood up against the looting of Blackburn Rovers by Jerome Anderson and his gang of pirates. The Happy-Clappers are synthetic middle-class Nuevo Riché SKY SPORTS Premier League era soulless consumers. They are not fans of the working man's game. They hate it. They're fans of lifeless, sterilised stadiums and expensive match day tickets that only they can afford. They enjoy the plastic seats, manufactured corporate atmosphere, names on players shirts, head ache inducing brightly coloured football boots and up- their-own-arse goal celebrations by players who run off to celebrate on their own in front of the nearest TV cameras. At best they're consumers and at worst they're tourists. These supine lickspittles have a myopic sense of history. They pepper us with their propaganda and would like us all to believe that it's all over. Everything is better. It's in the "past". No it isn't and they've got their 'tenses' mixed up. The Venkys and everything they've wrought upon Blackburn Rovers is still happening now in the present-continuous. The happy-clappers' minds may have been placated with the first form of communication from the Venkys in the three years since they acquired the club despite repeated pleas from Rovers fans, local MP's, local councillors, local business men, sponsors and even a very professionally produced and well received documentary - but better late than never, I suppose. Then again, i think the Venkys have been well and truly shafted as well. They have been badly advised by Anderson, Kean and Singh not to mention Agnew. Their own lawyer described Rovers current Director as a "renegade out of control Director" - no one has ever explained precisely what that means. They've paid out a small fortune to Keane, Appleton and Berg and i believe are still paying Singh's wages. Singh meant well but the man was a buffoon and what in the name of God is the pension thieving con artist Hendry still doing at the club? What a fall from grace for a player i used to idolise from The Blackburn End terrace. The Venkys were also badly advised on the sale of Jones to Manchester United plus they're putting £3million a month into the club just to keep it alive. I would not be surprised if there was just a touch of criminal activity going on in the Ewood Park corridors of power back in 2010-2012. As a humane person i can't help but feel a bit sorry for them. Then i think of the atrocious arrogance they have shown with their deafening silence these past three years. The open letter recently published was as good as one could expect. I was fine with it. I welcomed it and it is a start but let's not kid ourselves; the club was moving forward and did not need rebuilding until the Venkys gutted it. I don't agree with those who think Bowyer should be sterner in his criticisms of the Venkys when being interviewed, that's naïve and unreasonable. Indeed, i am sometimes surprised when Bowyer does refer to the traumas of the past three years and the need to rebuild on and off the pitch and repair the damaged relationship with the fans. He is of course correct and i think that in itself is quite strong language so nice one Gary. Also, I would rather trust Bowyers assessment of Varney. What Bowyer wants is hard working, committed and professionally minded footballers who wo will lead by example and help the youngsters. Varney must be a breath of fresh air around the place after Best, Murphy, Campbell et al. I totally understand those who are critical of the signing - and those who are not critical - I'd rather wait and see and trust Bowyers judgement. I'd give Dunn a take it or leave it pay-as-you-play deal. I'd hope he'd take it, he still has something to offer and we need his skill and experience. Surely the young man's a millionaire by now? As for the 2013-2014 season, i have mixed emotions. It was a very poor league and crying out for any team to put a decent little run together. Derby managed it and even Bournemouth nearly sneaked in. Burnley did not have many decent results after being dumped out of the League Cup by West Ham's Reserves yet finished second. That's how poor the league was. In a decent league Rovers would have struggled and Burnley would not have been promoted. Sheff' Wed's and Birmingham at Christmas and Sheff' Wed's and Yeovil at Easter were the games that cost us the Play Offs but obviously you could chose any games. The Yeovil result was a disgrace. I'm still not convinced Bowyer can get us promoted. He is a decent man and has worked a minor miracle and will need time if he is to succeed. Rovers should look at Burnley and Dyche. I desperately hope any Rovers manager will succeed and would be particularly pleased for Bowyer and his team of coaches, physios and squad of players if successful because i consider Bowyer to be one of us and because of the passion, genuine love of the club and heartfelt concern for the fans he has displayed. He has also shown great dignity and strikes me as a man of good character. owd nick, greenscreener, rovrstid, BRFC1875, incesteachsunday et al will be the first to savagely demand Bowyer's sacking, their hateful impatience cascading from the slopes of Ewood Park demanding his head on a platter if Rovers do not have 6 points from their opening three games next season. These people are extremists. They portray themselves as a flock of sheep but really they are a pack of wolves, (though that is an insult to the noble wolf). They've put all their eggs in the Gary Bowyer basket and that is why any reasonable and rational words of caution are studiously attacked with patronising contempt. They are the enemies of everything that is good and proper. -------- The Venky's Reign of Error: The Strange Case of Steve Kean http://ewoodpark.jim do.com/the-venky-s-r eign-of-error-the-st range-case-of-steve- kean/[/p][/quote]http://www.autism.or g.uk Biscay
  • Score: 1

8:56pm Mon 26 May 14

jim 2012 says...

Rovers F.C. wrote:
Open letter to the Happy-Clappers/Venky

s Apologists/Venkys Deniers.
The Happy -Clappers dogma, inflexibility and immorality in the way they engage with true Rovers fans has begun to rear its cynical head recently as they suddenly seem to be the dominant voice on these discussion pages now that things are looking good again; shoving shame down the throats of those genuine Rovers fans that still continue to ask awkward questions.
I have read a lot of Happy-Clappers on the internet trying to engage in all kinds of arguments whilst discussing what the Venkys have done to Rovers; many of these Venkys Apologists that present themselves as emissaries of moderation are on the 'Blame the Rovers fans' side of the debate and it is fascinating listening to and watching how they interpret events through the prism of their deeply entrenched belief system - 'beliefs' about what they consider to be 'moral truths' but these 'truths' are nothing more than Orwellian Newspeak where reality is turned upside down - hate is love, war is peace.
I genuinely wonder whether some of these people are in the employ of the dastardly Venkys - sitting on their large wobbly bottoms in front of computers whilst they operate a full scale lying propaganda machine attempting to command and organise the organs of public opinion and our perception of reality through a manipulation of history.
If these so-called Rovers fans (those in the minority who genuinely care more about the Venkys than the club) are allowed to propagate their Happy-Clapper ultra authoritarian mind set, then no matter how objective, relevant or empirically sound those who are opposed to the Venkys might be when our contrary opinions are presented to the nasty noisy negativist Venkys Deniers, they will continue to believe that they do not need to engage with our opinions because they have decided they think we are immoral, (more on this cruel arrogance later).
I believe that if any evidence/opinion is sound, then it is relevant and therefore should be listened to.
However, the Happy-Clapper flotilla of disinformation is just this side of insultingly stupid rendering any form of discourse with them frustrating.
What the Venkys Apologists don't understand is that in any discourse, strong objectivity cannot be achieved by bias; strongly opposing - opposing views - through obfuscation, silencing and bullying tactics does not promote free speech and is an upside down reality. Unfortunately, this is often a tactical tool of discourse by the Happy-Clappers.
Disregarding contrary evidence or opinion and imputing ill intent on the person presenting it is a favourite trick of Happy-Clappers/Venky

s Deniers/ Venkys Apologists - no matter how empirically cogent and rational the opinion presented is - instead they counter with lies, half truths and slippery evasions.
I believe that the way true Rovers fans are often ambushed when discussing the Venkys and then attacked for something completely different by insolent and petulant Venkys propaganda parrots who prefer to smear and sneer is a well worn tactic by the Happy-Clappers who tend to find it difficult to put aside any of their unreasonable convictions about what they feel Rovers fans ought to think.
An extravagantly arrogant mind set leaving it impossible for them to be objective; sometimes disregarding evidence or questions that challenge them, leading to an aggressive projection of their views involving smarmy smugness, dishonesty and hostile rhetoric.
Therefore Venkys Deniers often find it very difficult to engage on any issues in any other model but their own or tolerate those that do; they twist evidence to suite their own upside-down view of things smearing the character of anyone with opinions they do not agree with that make them feel uncomfortable, "You're only saying that because you're a...".
In conclusion let us be clear; owd nick, greenscreener, rovrstid, BRFC 1875, incesteachsunday et al are not the voices of moderation. These were the people that blamed the fans for Steve Keans poor tactics, substitutions and transfers; they blamed the fans for the resignations of Williams and Finn and many others; they blamed the fans for the poor performances of Murphy, Best and Etu; they blame the fans for the debt the club is now in; they blame the fans for the looming FFP transfer embargo and they blamed the fans for relegation. This is obscene 'logic'.
They cannot argue with the facts so they make their own up; Rovers fans boo when Rovers are winning and want Gary Bowyer to fail are a couple of their favourite lies.
It's easy to side with the rich and powerful; the corporate media, Agents and multi billionaire owners of football clubs and far more difficult to stand up against. The Happy-Clappers choose to do the former while cynically traducing those people who chose to do the latter.
This is the moral cowardice of opportunism. They know where the money and power is.
What the corporate media did in blaming Rovers' fans for the very problems foisted upon them is a tried and tested media trick. Today we see the unemployed blamed for unemployment, the homeless blamed for homelessness and those in receipt of state welfare unemployment benefits are blamed for the national debt and the fact that Britain is bankrupt.
The weakest, poorest and most vulnerable are blamed for the problems created by the strongest, richest and least vulnerable.
It's easy to see from the writing style of many of the Happy-Clappers across the internet that they are educated and middle-class. They've looked at the images and listened to the descriptions of the protestors that have been presented by the ugly media narrative and fallen for the illusion of seeing them as thuggish bar brawlers; unreasonable, violent and ungrateful; racist, sexist and hateful. Of being 'poor'. And that last point is important because that is the real reason the Happy-Clappers do not like the fans/protestors/indi

viduals that stood up against the looting of Blackburn Rovers by Jerome Anderson and his gang of pirates.
The Happy-Clappers are synthetic middle-class Nuevo Riché SKY SPORTS Premier League era soulless consumers. They are not fans of the working man's game. They hate it. They're fans of lifeless, sterilised stadiums and expensive match day tickets that only they can afford. They enjoy the plastic seats, manufactured corporate atmosphere, names on players shirts, head ache inducing brightly coloured football boots and up- their-own-arse goal celebrations by players who run off to celebrate on their own in front of the nearest TV cameras. At best they're consumers and at worst they're tourists.
These supine lickspittles have a myopic sense of history. They pepper us with their propaganda and would like us all to believe that it's all over. Everything is better. It's in the "past". No it isn't and they've got their 'tenses' mixed up. The Venkys and everything they've wrought upon Blackburn Rovers is still happening now in the present-continuous.
The happy-clappers' minds may have been placated with the first form of communication from the Venkys in the three years since they acquired the club despite repeated pleas from Rovers fans, local MP's, local councillors, local business men, sponsors and even a very professionally produced and well received documentary - but better late than never, I suppose.
Then again, i think the Venkys have been well and truly shafted as well. They have been badly advised by Anderson, Kean and Singh not to mention Agnew. Their own lawyer described Rovers current Director as a "renegade out of control Director" - no one has ever explained precisely what that means. They've paid out a small fortune to Keane, Appleton and Berg and i believe are still paying Singh's wages. Singh meant well but the man was a buffoon and what in the name of God is the pension thieving con artist Hendry still doing at the club? What a fall from grace for a player i used to idolise from The Blackburn End terrace. The Venkys were also badly advised on the sale of Jones to Manchester United plus they're putting £3million a month into the club just to keep it alive. I would not be surprised if there was just a touch of criminal activity going on in the Ewood Park corridors of power back in 2010-2012. As a humane person i can't help but feel a bit sorry for them.
Then i think of the atrocious arrogance they have shown with their deafening silence these past three years.
The open letter recently published was as good as one could expect. I was fine with it. I welcomed it and it is a start but let's not kid ourselves; the club was moving forward and did not need rebuilding until the Venkys gutted it.
I don't agree with those who think Bowyer should be sterner in his criticisms of the Venkys when being interviewed, that's naïve and unreasonable. Indeed, i am sometimes surprised when Bowyer does refer to the traumas of the past three years and the need to rebuild on and off the pitch and repair the damaged relationship with the fans. He is of course correct and i think that in itself is quite strong language so nice one Gary.
Also, I would rather trust Bowyers assessment of Varney. What Bowyer wants is hard working, committed and professionally minded footballers who wo will lead by example and help the youngsters. Varney must be a breath of fresh air around the place after Best, Murphy, Campbell et al.
I totally understand those who are critical of the signing - and those who are not critical - I'd rather wait and see and trust Bowyers judgement. I'd give Dunn a take it or leave it pay-as-you-play deal. I'd hope he'd take it, he still has something to offer and we need his skill and experience. Surely the young man's a millionaire by now?
As for the 2013-2014 season, i have mixed emotions. It was a very poor league and crying out for any team to put a decent little run together. Derby managed it and even Bournemouth nearly sneaked in. Burnley did not have many decent results after being dumped out of the League Cup by West Ham's Reserves yet finished second. That's how poor the league was.
In a decent league Rovers would have struggled and Burnley would not have been promoted. Sheff' Wed's and Birmingham at Christmas and Sheff' Wed's and Yeovil at Easter were the games that cost us the Play Offs but obviously you could chose any games. The Yeovil result was a disgrace.
I'm still not convinced Bowyer can get us promoted. He is a decent man and has worked a minor miracle and will need time if he is to succeed. Rovers should look at Burnley and Dyche. I desperately hope any Rovers manager will succeed and would be particularly pleased for Bowyer and his team of coaches, physios and squad of players if successful because i consider Bowyer to be one of us and because of the passion, genuine love of the club and heartfelt concern for the fans he has displayed. He has also shown great dignity and strikes me as a man of good character.
owd nick, greenscreener, rovrstid, BRFC1875, incesteachsunday et al will be the first to savagely demand Bowyer's sacking, their hateful impatience cascading from the slopes of Ewood Park demanding his head on a platter if Rovers do not have 6 points from their opening three games next season.
These people are extremists. They portray themselves as a flock of sheep but really they are a pack of wolves, (though that is an insult to the noble wolf). They've put all their eggs in the Gary Bowyer basket and that is why any reasonable and rational words of caution are studiously attacked with patronising contempt.
They are the enemies of everything that is good and proper.
--------
The Venky's Reign of Error: The Strange Case of Steve Kean
http://ewoodpark.jim

do.com/the-venky-s-r

eign-of-error-the-st

range-case-of-steve-

kean/
SHUT UP
[quote][p][bold]Rovers F.C.[/bold] wrote: Open letter to the Happy-Clappers/Venky s Apologists/Venkys Deniers. The Happy -Clappers dogma, inflexibility and immorality in the way they engage with true Rovers fans has begun to rear its cynical head recently as they suddenly seem to be the dominant voice on these discussion pages now that things are looking good again; shoving shame down the throats of those genuine Rovers fans that still continue to ask awkward questions. I have read a lot of Happy-Clappers on the internet trying to engage in all kinds of arguments whilst discussing what the Venkys have done to Rovers; many of these Venkys Apologists that present themselves as emissaries of moderation are on the 'Blame the Rovers fans' side of the debate and it is fascinating listening to and watching how they interpret events through the prism of their deeply entrenched belief system - 'beliefs' about what they consider to be 'moral truths' but these 'truths' are nothing more than Orwellian Newspeak where reality is turned upside down - hate is love, war is peace. I genuinely wonder whether some of these people are in the employ of the dastardly Venkys - sitting on their large wobbly bottoms in front of computers whilst they operate a full scale lying propaganda machine attempting to command and organise the organs of public opinion and our perception of reality through a manipulation of history. If these so-called Rovers fans (those in the minority who genuinely care more about the Venkys than the club) are allowed to propagate their Happy-Clapper ultra authoritarian mind set, then no matter how objective, relevant or empirically sound those who are opposed to the Venkys might be when our contrary opinions are presented to the nasty noisy negativist Venkys Deniers, they will continue to believe that they do not need to engage with our opinions because they have decided they think we are immoral, (more on this cruel arrogance later). I believe that if any evidence/opinion is sound, then it is relevant and therefore should be listened to. However, the Happy-Clapper flotilla of disinformation is just this side of insultingly stupid rendering any form of discourse with them frustrating. What the Venkys Apologists don't understand is that in any discourse, strong objectivity cannot be achieved by bias; strongly opposing - opposing views - through obfuscation, silencing and bullying tactics does not promote free speech and is an upside down reality. Unfortunately, this is often a tactical tool of discourse by the Happy-Clappers. Disregarding contrary evidence or opinion and imputing ill intent on the person presenting it is a favourite trick of Happy-Clappers/Venky s Deniers/ Venkys Apologists - no matter how empirically cogent and rational the opinion presented is - instead they counter with lies, half truths and slippery evasions. I believe that the way true Rovers fans are often ambushed when discussing the Venkys and then attacked for something completely different by insolent and petulant Venkys propaganda parrots who prefer to smear and sneer is a well worn tactic by the Happy-Clappers who tend to find it difficult to put aside any of their unreasonable convictions about what they feel Rovers fans ought to think. An extravagantly arrogant mind set leaving it impossible for them to be objective; sometimes disregarding evidence or questions that challenge them, leading to an aggressive projection of their views involving smarmy smugness, dishonesty and hostile rhetoric. Therefore Venkys Deniers often find it very difficult to engage on any issues in any other model but their own or tolerate those that do; they twist evidence to suite their own upside-down view of things smearing the character of anyone with opinions they do not agree with that make them feel uncomfortable, "You're only saying that because you're a...[insert hateful ugly accusation/insult]". In conclusion let us be clear; owd nick, greenscreener, rovrstid, BRFC 1875, incesteachsunday et al are not the voices of moderation. These were the people that blamed the fans for Steve Keans poor tactics, substitutions and transfers; they blamed the fans for the resignations of Williams and Finn and many others; they blamed the fans for the poor performances of Murphy, Best and Etu; they blame the fans for the debt the club is now in; they blame the fans for the looming FFP transfer embargo and they blamed the fans for relegation. This is obscene 'logic'. They cannot argue with the facts so they make their own up; Rovers fans boo when Rovers are winning and want Gary Bowyer to fail are a couple of their favourite lies. It's easy to side with the rich and powerful; the corporate media, Agents and multi billionaire owners of football clubs and far more difficult to stand up against. The Happy-Clappers choose to do the former while cynically traducing those people who chose to do the latter. This is the moral cowardice of opportunism. They know where the money and power is. What the corporate media did in blaming Rovers' fans for the very problems foisted upon them is a tried and tested media trick. Today we see the unemployed blamed for unemployment, the homeless blamed for homelessness and those in receipt of state welfare unemployment benefits are blamed for the national debt and the fact that Britain is bankrupt. The weakest, poorest and most vulnerable are blamed for the problems created by the strongest, richest and least vulnerable. It's easy to see from the writing style of many of the Happy-Clappers across the internet that they are educated and middle-class. They've looked at the images and listened to the descriptions of the protestors that have been presented by the ugly media narrative and fallen for the illusion of seeing them as thuggish bar brawlers; unreasonable, violent and ungrateful; racist, sexist and hateful. Of being 'poor'. And that last point is important because that is the real reason the Happy-Clappers do not like the fans/protestors/indi viduals that stood up against the looting of Blackburn Rovers by Jerome Anderson and his gang of pirates. The Happy-Clappers are synthetic middle-class Nuevo Riché SKY SPORTS Premier League era soulless consumers. They are not fans of the working man's game. They hate it. They're fans of lifeless, sterilised stadiums and expensive match day tickets that only they can afford. They enjoy the plastic seats, manufactured corporate atmosphere, names on players shirts, head ache inducing brightly coloured football boots and up- their-own-arse goal celebrations by players who run off to celebrate on their own in front of the nearest TV cameras. At best they're consumers and at worst they're tourists. These supine lickspittles have a myopic sense of history. They pepper us with their propaganda and would like us all to believe that it's all over. Everything is better. It's in the "past". No it isn't and they've got their 'tenses' mixed up. The Venkys and everything they've wrought upon Blackburn Rovers is still happening now in the present-continuous. The happy-clappers' minds may have been placated with the first form of communication from the Venkys in the three years since they acquired the club despite repeated pleas from Rovers fans, local MP's, local councillors, local business men, sponsors and even a very professionally produced and well received documentary - but better late than never, I suppose. Then again, i think the Venkys have been well and truly shafted as well. They have been badly advised by Anderson, Kean and Singh not to mention Agnew. Their own lawyer described Rovers current Director as a "renegade out of control Director" - no one has ever explained precisely what that means. They've paid out a small fortune to Keane, Appleton and Berg and i believe are still paying Singh's wages. Singh meant well but the man was a buffoon and what in the name of God is the pension thieving con artist Hendry still doing at the club? What a fall from grace for a player i used to idolise from The Blackburn End terrace. The Venkys were also badly advised on the sale of Jones to Manchester United plus they're putting £3million a month into the club just to keep it alive. I would not be surprised if there was just a touch of criminal activity going on in the Ewood Park corridors of power back in 2010-2012. As a humane person i can't help but feel a bit sorry for them. Then i think of the atrocious arrogance they have shown with their deafening silence these past three years. The open letter recently published was as good as one could expect. I was fine with it. I welcomed it and it is a start but let's not kid ourselves; the club was moving forward and did not need rebuilding until the Venkys gutted it. I don't agree with those who think Bowyer should be sterner in his criticisms of the Venkys when being interviewed, that's naïve and unreasonable. Indeed, i am sometimes surprised when Bowyer does refer to the traumas of the past three years and the need to rebuild on and off the pitch and repair the damaged relationship with the fans. He is of course correct and i think that in itself is quite strong language so nice one Gary. Also, I would rather trust Bowyers assessment of Varney. What Bowyer wants is hard working, committed and professionally minded footballers who wo will lead by example and help the youngsters. Varney must be a breath of fresh air around the place after Best, Murphy, Campbell et al. I totally understand those who are critical of the signing - and those who are not critical - I'd rather wait and see and trust Bowyers judgement. I'd give Dunn a take it or leave it pay-as-you-play deal. I'd hope he'd take it, he still has something to offer and we need his skill and experience. Surely the young man's a millionaire by now? As for the 2013-2014 season, i have mixed emotions. It was a very poor league and crying out for any team to put a decent little run together. Derby managed it and even Bournemouth nearly sneaked in. Burnley did not have many decent results after being dumped out of the League Cup by West Ham's Reserves yet finished second. That's how poor the league was. In a decent league Rovers would have struggled and Burnley would not have been promoted. Sheff' Wed's and Birmingham at Christmas and Sheff' Wed's and Yeovil at Easter were the games that cost us the Play Offs but obviously you could chose any games. The Yeovil result was a disgrace. I'm still not convinced Bowyer can get us promoted. He is a decent man and has worked a minor miracle and will need time if he is to succeed. Rovers should look at Burnley and Dyche. I desperately hope any Rovers manager will succeed and would be particularly pleased for Bowyer and his team of coaches, physios and squad of players if successful because i consider Bowyer to be one of us and because of the passion, genuine love of the club and heartfelt concern for the fans he has displayed. He has also shown great dignity and strikes me as a man of good character. owd nick, greenscreener, rovrstid, BRFC1875, incesteachsunday et al will be the first to savagely demand Bowyer's sacking, their hateful impatience cascading from the slopes of Ewood Park demanding his head on a platter if Rovers do not have 6 points from their opening three games next season. These people are extremists. They portray themselves as a flock of sheep but really they are a pack of wolves, (though that is an insult to the noble wolf). They've put all their eggs in the Gary Bowyer basket and that is why any reasonable and rational words of caution are studiously attacked with patronising contempt. They are the enemies of everything that is good and proper. -------- The Venky's Reign of Error: The Strange Case of Steve Kean http://ewoodpark.jim do.com/the-venky-s-r eign-of-error-the-st range-case-of-steve- kean/[/p][/quote]SHUT UP jim 2012
  • Score: 1

10:27pm Mon 26 May 14

digitusjonfred says...

Is this the new super-claret ??
Is this the new super-claret ?? digitusjonfred
  • Score: 2

10:42pm Mon 26 May 14

Steven Seagull says...

Old age pensioner wrote:
77'sss wrote:
Rovers f.c
Your a dingle in disguise ( and a bad one at that )
What kind of drivel are you spouting now
at least super claret is entertaining in his own little world
Talking of SC, where is he? Not that I want to read his drivel but rumour has it he been banned, we can't be that lucky.
Are you missing him?

That's very sweet!
[quote][p][bold]Old age pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]77'sss[/bold] wrote: Rovers f.c Your a dingle in disguise ( and a bad one at that ) What kind of drivel are you spouting now at least super claret is entertaining in his own little world[/p][/quote]Talking of SC, where is he? Not that I want to read his drivel but rumour has it he been banned, we can't be that lucky.[/p][/quote]Are you missing him? That's very sweet! Steven Seagull
  • Score: -3

12:06am Tue 27 May 14

Old age pensioner says...

Steven Seagull wrote:
Old age pensioner wrote:
77'sss wrote:
Rovers f.c
Your a dingle in disguise ( and a bad one at that )
What kind of drivel are you spouting now
at least super claret is entertaining in his own little world
Talking of SC, where is he? Not that I want to read his drivel but rumour has it he been banned, we can't be that lucky.
Are you missing him?

That's very sweet!
Yes he's a NH your the tosser!!!
[quote][p][bold]Steven Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old age pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]77'sss[/bold] wrote: Rovers f.c Your a dingle in disguise ( and a bad one at that ) What kind of drivel are you spouting now at least super claret is entertaining in his own little world[/p][/quote]Talking of SC, where is he? Not that I want to read his drivel but rumour has it he been banned, we can't be that lucky.[/p][/quote]Are you missing him? That's very sweet![/p][/quote]Yes he's a NH your the tosser!!! Old age pensioner
  • Score: 1

10:45am Tue 27 May 14

bburnrover says...

Basel is a hero. I think Rovers will have a great season we just require two good defenders and we should be able to maintain our end of season momentum.
Basel is a hero. I think Rovers will have a great season we just require two good defenders and we should be able to maintain our end of season momentum. bburnrover
  • Score: 1

10:49am Tue 27 May 14

French Rover says...

I got Mick Rathbones book last year and it`s an inspiring read with some good chapters on the Rovers - but its really more about `Basils` career and his struggles through the years to stay involved with a game he loves dearly.

Mick `Basil`Rathbone was a 100% sound professional with a cavalier playing style who cares about the games past present and future and that comes through strongly in his book and still des in his present role at United. (What a great asset he would be back at Ewood working with the young lads).

I am pleased to say that I watched a big percentage of his 200 plus games for the Rovers over his eight years or so with us. It was a pretty poor time for the club in general with some small highs and big lows!

During Bazs time with us we got relegated just after he joined us in 79 under John (The Teacher) Pickering. Then immediately and under new manager Howard Kendall we bounced straight back and his `Blue and White Army` were promoted back to Div 2. *The game away at Bury at the end of the season (where we won promotion) will never be forgotten by any of the 10k plus Rovers fans there that night to celebrate Crawfords two goals and our quick return to Div 2.

Howie left for Everton after the following season when he so narrowly missed taking us straight through Div 2. We missed going up into Division One on the last day of the season due to our inferior goal `average` - and bleeding Swansea went up instead.

We then had several seasons in the wilderness under Bobby (the Pugilist) Saxton before Don (Jock) Mackay came in and took us to that wonderful day out at Wembley and a great Full Members Cup win (which Mick missed through injury)...!

I reckon Mick could write another five books just based on his time at the Rovers!

Oh yes - reference that diatribe from Rovers FC - there are a couple of valid points in there amongst the mass of words. It is something he obviously needed to get it off his chest so fair play to that but any message is lost amongst the rest of the mass of verbal diarreah.

If he wants his opinions to be respected or listened to or even replied to sensibly, then he should learn not to attack other fans on here for sharing their own views and opinions. What could have been an interesting and stimulating post has been totally wasted really.
I got Mick Rathbones book last year and it`s an inspiring read with some good chapters on the Rovers - but its really more about `Basils` career and his struggles through the years to stay involved with a game he loves dearly. Mick `Basil`Rathbone was a 100% sound professional with a cavalier playing style who cares about the games past present and future and that comes through strongly in his book and still des in his present role at United. (What a great asset he would be back at Ewood working with the young lads). I am pleased to say that I watched a big percentage of his 200 plus games for the Rovers over his eight years or so with us. It was a pretty poor time for the club in general with some small highs and big lows! During Bazs time with us we got relegated just after he joined us in 79 under John (The Teacher) Pickering. Then immediately and under new manager Howard Kendall we bounced straight back and his `Blue and White Army` were promoted back to Div 2. *The game away at Bury at the end of the season (where we won promotion) will never be forgotten by any of the 10k plus Rovers fans there that night to celebrate Crawfords two goals and our quick return to Div 2. Howie left for Everton after the following season when he so narrowly missed taking us straight through Div 2. We missed going up into Division One on the last day of the season due to our inferior goal `average` - and bleeding Swansea went up instead. We then had several seasons in the wilderness under Bobby (the Pugilist) Saxton before Don (Jock) Mackay came in and took us to that wonderful day out at Wembley and a great Full Members Cup win (which Mick missed through injury)...! I reckon Mick could write another five books just based on his time at the Rovers! Oh yes - reference that diatribe from Rovers FC - there are a couple of valid points in there amongst the mass of words. It is something he obviously needed to get it off his chest so fair play to that but any message is lost amongst the rest of the mass of verbal diarreah. If he wants his opinions to be respected or listened to or even replied to sensibly, then he should learn not to attack other fans on here for sharing their own views and opinions. What could have been an interesting and stimulating post has been totally wasted really. French Rover
  • Score: 5

12:50pm Tue 27 May 14

roverstid says...

Old age pensioner wrote:
77'sss wrote:
Rovers f.c
Your a dingle in disguise ( and a bad one at that )
What kind of drivel are you spouting now
at least super claret is entertaining in his own little world
Talking of SC, where is he? Not that I want to read his drivel but rumour has it he been banned, we can't be that lucky.
Go easy on him oap, it can't easy logging into multiple accounts and talking to yourself whilst running your own website about tin foil conspiracies.

It's a good thing he has so much time on his hands.
[quote][p][bold]Old age pensioner[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]77'sss[/bold] wrote: Rovers f.c Your a dingle in disguise ( and a bad one at that ) What kind of drivel are you spouting now at least super claret is entertaining in his own little world[/p][/quote]Talking of SC, where is he? Not that I want to read his drivel but rumour has it he been banned, we can't be that lucky.[/p][/quote]Go easy on him oap, it can't easy logging into multiple accounts and talking to yourself whilst running your own website about tin foil conspiracies. It's a good thing he has so much time on his hands. roverstid
  • Score: 0

1:56pm Wed 28 May 14

eddio says...

77'sss wrote:
Rovers f.c
Your a dingle in disguise ( and a bad one at that )
What kind of drivel are you spouting now
at least super claret is entertaining in his own little world
EH! you must be SERIOUSLY short of entertainment if Super-Closet rocks your boat mate???
[quote][p][bold]77'sss[/bold] wrote: Rovers f.c Your a dingle in disguise ( and a bad one at that ) What kind of drivel are you spouting now at least super claret is entertaining in his own little world[/p][/quote]EH! you must be SERIOUSLY short of entertainment if Super-Closet rocks your boat mate??? eddio
  • Score: 0

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