Boss Bowyer wants no regrets ahead of Rovers' final two matches

Gary Bowyer

Gary Bowyer

First published in Sport This Is Lancashire: Photograph of the Author by , Blackburn Rovers reporter

BLACKBURN Rovers boss Gary Bowyer has urged his players to take no regrets into the summer by winning their final two matches of the season.

Rovers clawed their way back into the play-off race with a 4-2 victory at Birmingham City on Monday, which extended their unbeaten run to 10 games.

But realistically they need to take maximum points from tomorrow’s trip to relegation-threatened Charlton and the visit of high-flying Wigan Athletic to Ewood Park on Saturday week if they are to snatch sixth place.

And Bowyer, who is set to be boosted by the return of Tom Cairney, Michael Keane and Lee Williamson tomorrow, said: “All we can do is look after ourselves and, if the ones above us in sixth spot mess up, we are not regretful.

“We need to make sure we do our job properly – and that’s the most important thing for us.

“Charlton are fighting for their lives so they need the points as much as we do so it’s going to be a tough game.

“But our form of late has been excellent and to go to the places that we have been to and scored as many goals as we have done has been very pleasing.

“Now we have to reproduce that.”

Rovers have scored 16 goals in their last six matches on the road.

In English football’s top five divisions only Premier League leaders Liverpool, with 20, have netted more goals over the same period of time away from home.

However Rovers have also conceded 16 in their last six games on their travels and Bowyer admits they have to get the balance right.

“There have been times when the back four and the goalkeeper have been magnificent,” said Bowyer, whose side have lost just one of their last nine away trips, winning three and drawing five.

“Middlesbrough away for example, where they stood firm in the face of an onslaught and got us a clean sheet.

“It’s just the consistency and piecing it all together. We seem to be able to do either or so we’ve just got to make sure we come together on that.”

Midfielders Cairney and Williamson and defender Keane are expected to return to the Rovers squad for tomorrow’s clash with Charlton after they recovered from knocks which ruled them out against Birmingham.

Winger Ben Marshall, who has been sidelined for three months with ankle-ligament damage, could also be included in the travelling party after he yesterday took part in a full training session.

However left-back Tommy Spurr (groin) and midfielders David Dunn (calf) and Jason Lowe (ankle) are struggling.

Midfielder Dickson Etuhu (hamstring) and right-back Adam Henley (ankle) remain sidelined.

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9:09am Fri 25 Apr 14

.Lancs _ Pensioner says...

However left-back Tommy Spurr (groin) and midfielders David Dunn (calf) and Jason Lowe (ankle) are struggling.

What dunn injured when his contracts up.Now theres a suprize.
However left-back Tommy Spurr (groin) and midfielders David Dunn (calf) and Jason Lowe (ankle) are struggling. What dunn injured when his contracts up.Now theres a suprize. .Lancs _ Pensioner
  • Score: -19

9:32am Fri 25 Apr 14

dallydally says...

No regrets? I have loads given the dozens of missed opportunities for points which would have seen us home and dry in the play offs by now!! At least the summer will give us a break from GB's constant references to "still being in it"!
No regrets? I have loads given the dozens of missed opportunities for points which would have seen us home and dry in the play offs by now!! At least the summer will give us a break from GB's constant references to "still being in it"! dallydally
  • Score: 1

9:54am Fri 25 Apr 14

Harwoodstblue says...

dallydally wrote:
No regrets? I have loads given the dozens of missed opportunities for points which would have seen us home and dry in the play offs by now!! At least the summer will give us a break from GB's constant references to "still being in it"!
We are still in it, but I agree about the points needlessly dropped through inexperience, lack of concentration or just plain negligence. Just two more wins, which we could easily have had, and we would have been virtually home and dry and in the playoffs now.
Not bad after the previous two years.
[quote][p][bold]dallydally[/bold] wrote: No regrets? I have loads given the dozens of missed opportunities for points which would have seen us home and dry in the play offs by now!! At least the summer will give us a break from GB's constant references to "still being in it"![/p][/quote]We are still in it, but I agree about the points needlessly dropped through inexperience, lack of concentration or just plain negligence. Just two more wins, which we could easily have had, and we would have been virtually home and dry and in the playoffs now. Not bad after the previous two years. Harwoodstblue
  • Score: 19

10:02am Fri 25 Apr 14

Rover since 1947 says...

.Lancs _ Pensioner wrote:
However left-back Tommy Spurr (groin) and midfielders David Dunn (calf) and Jason Lowe (ankle) are struggling.

What dunn injured when his contracts up.Now theres a suprize.
Imposter at it again
[quote][p][bold].Lancs _ Pensioner[/bold] wrote: However left-back Tommy Spurr (groin) and midfielders David Dunn (calf) and Jason Lowe (ankle) are struggling. What dunn injured when his contracts up.Now theres a suprize.[/p][/quote]Imposter at it again Rover since 1947
  • Score: 9

10:07am Fri 25 Apr 14

thresholdweller says...

Burnley's success has made blinded many to the achievements of Gary Bowyer. OK, we are now a reasonable Championship club, not a decent Premiership one, but think what it looked like 18 months ago.
Burnley's success has made blinded many to the achievements of Gary Bowyer. OK, we are now a reasonable Championship club, not a decent Premiership one, but think what it looked like 18 months ago. thresholdweller
  • Score: 17

10:09am Fri 25 Apr 14

dangerous dave says...

dallydally wrote:
No regrets? I have loads given the dozens of missed opportunities for points which would have seen us home and dry in the play offs by now!! At least the summer will give us a break from GB's constant references to "still being in it"!
totally agree - GB comments similar to the constant rants that we got from Kean - lack of consistency especially not being ableto beat the 'also rans' of the championship have cost us dearly - not taking into account other teams in with a chance of sixth place Reading only need to win one more match, we have to win both - goal difference not good enough - so all the faithful who turn up at Ewood can look forward to more of the same next season if GB is still in charge!!!
OUT WITH THE COWBOYS AND INDIANS
[quote][p][bold]dallydally[/bold] wrote: No regrets? I have loads given the dozens of missed opportunities for points which would have seen us home and dry in the play offs by now!! At least the summer will give us a break from GB's constant references to "still being in it"![/p][/quote]totally agree - GB comments similar to the constant rants that we got from Kean - lack of consistency especially not being ableto beat the 'also rans' of the championship have cost us dearly - not taking into account other teams in with a chance of sixth place Reading only need to win one more match, we have to win both - goal difference not good enough - so all the faithful who turn up at Ewood can look forward to more of the same next season if GB is still in charge!!! OUT WITH THE COWBOYS AND INDIANS dangerous dave
  • Score: -10

10:30am Fri 25 Apr 14

cruzy_cruz says...

No regret? There's already a list of regrets as long as your arm Bowyer, you melon.

Either caused through your own tactical incometence or the team bottling it whenever they reached the dizzying heights on 8th place.

Forest home 1- 0 loss
Doncaster away 2-0 loss
Charlton home 0-1 loss
Brighton away 3-0 loss...EMBARRSSING
Ipswich away 3-1 battering
Birminham home 3-2 loss.... debacle
Forest away 4-1 loss.......men against idiots
Bolton away 4-0 oss.....ripped a new backside
BURNLEY home 2-1 LOSS.....EVEN KEAN COULDN'T MANAGE A DEFEAT OFF THAT LOT
Bournemouth home 1-0 loss.........worse than anything Kean served up. Possibly the worst home performanc in living memory

This is not including the plethora of draws that we bottled from winning positions.

Some fans expectations may be the gutter and they now suffer from stockholm syndrome given the 4 **** managers we have has since Sam but it's no reason to be happy with the current one as he WILL NEVER gain promotion.

Remember that last season we were 10 points off the play offs. By the end of the season that gap could be the same. Just that this season the lower teams have been really really bad where last season they were strong. Peterborough and Wolves would BOTH be safe NOW with the points they went down with.
No regret? There's already a list of regrets as long as your arm Bowyer, you melon. Either caused through your own tactical incometence or the team bottling it whenever they reached the dizzying heights on 8th place. Forest home 1- 0 loss Doncaster away 2-0 loss Charlton home 0-1 loss Brighton away 3-0 loss...EMBARRSSING Ipswich away 3-1 battering Birminham home 3-2 loss.... debacle Forest away 4-1 loss.......men against idiots Bolton away 4-0 oss.....ripped a new backside BURNLEY home 2-1 LOSS.....EVEN KEAN COULDN'T MANAGE A DEFEAT OFF THAT LOT Bournemouth home 1-0 loss.........worse than anything Kean served up. Possibly the worst home performanc in living memory This is not including the plethora of draws that we bottled from winning positions. Some fans expectations may be the gutter and they now suffer from stockholm syndrome given the 4 **** managers we have has since Sam but it's no reason to be happy with the current one as he WILL NEVER gain promotion. Remember that last season we were 10 points off the play offs. By the end of the season that gap could be the same. Just that this season the lower teams have been really really bad where last season they were strong. Peterborough and Wolves would BOTH be safe NOW with the points they went down with. cruzy_cruz
  • Score: 4

10:34am Fri 25 Apr 14

wilddog says...

now presuming and i am presuming a lot here. Say you get 6 points and reading only get 3. The goal difference is 7! thats without any more goals scored How is your team gonna make that up also?Brighton also have a 7 goal difference. Lets face it guys. GB states no pressure n his team. You gotta be kidding right? They are games you have to win and win by a margin and then hope the other teams fail? Not gonna happen, Sorry
now presuming and i am presuming a lot here. Say you get 6 points and reading only get 3. The goal difference is 7! thats without any more goals scored How is your team gonna make that up also?Brighton also have a 7 goal difference. Lets face it guys. GB states no pressure n his team. You gotta be kidding right? They are games you have to win and win by a margin and then hope the other teams fail? Not gonna happen, Sorry wilddog
  • Score: 6

11:14am Fri 25 Apr 14

unclejacklegend says...

'Bournemouth home 1-0 loss.........worse than anything Kean served up. Possibly the worst home performanc in living memory'

Worse than putting the reserves out for a cup semi final....no.

Worse than registering 0 shots on goal against spurs....no
'Bournemouth home 1-0 loss.........worse than anything Kean served up. Possibly the worst home performanc in living memory' Worse than putting the reserves out for a cup semi final....no. Worse than registering 0 shots on goal against spurs....no unclejacklegend
  • Score: 10

11:19am Fri 25 Apr 14

A Rover 45 years and over says...

The fact that we are clinging in there at the moment does give us some hope for next season, but I feel it is going to be another hard slog with us relying on GB being able to up his game on the choice and timing of his substitutions in order to make the most of a decent Championship squad he has now assembled.
The fact that we are clinging in there at the moment does give us some hope for next season, but I feel it is going to be another hard slog with us relying on GB being able to up his game on the choice and timing of his substitutions in order to make the most of a decent Championship squad he has now assembled. A Rover 45 years and over
  • Score: 4

11:21am Fri 25 Apr 14

unclejacklegend says...

.Lancs _ Pensioner wrote:
However left-back Tommy Spurr (groin) and midfielders David Dunn (calf) and Jason Lowe (ankle) are struggling.

What dunn injured when his contracts up.Now theres a suprize.
Such original material, how do you manage to keep it so fresh?

Groundhog Day.
[quote][p][bold].Lancs _ Pensioner[/bold] wrote: However left-back Tommy Spurr (groin) and midfielders David Dunn (calf) and Jason Lowe (ankle) are struggling. What dunn injured when his contracts up.Now theres a suprize.[/p][/quote]Such original material, how do you manage to keep it so fresh? Groundhog Day. unclejacklegend
  • Score: 6

11:23am Fri 25 Apr 14

Lancs - pensioner says...

Rover since 1947 wrote:
.Lancs _ Pensioner wrote:
However left-back Tommy Spurr (groin) and midfielders David Dunn (calf) and Jason Lowe (ankle) are struggling.

What dunn injured when his contracts up.Now theres a suprize.
Imposter at it again
We'll spotted 47 this child gets his kicks from impersonating people, he takes a lot of time off school these days, he writes a lot of crap on the Dingle page as well but even his own supporters don't like him!!! Best to ignore him and he usually goes away for a couple of days.
[quote][p][bold]Rover since 1947[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold].Lancs _ Pensioner[/bold] wrote: However left-back Tommy Spurr (groin) and midfielders David Dunn (calf) and Jason Lowe (ankle) are struggling. What dunn injured when his contracts up.Now theres a suprize.[/p][/quote]Imposter at it again[/p][/quote]We'll spotted 47 this child gets his kicks from impersonating people, he takes a lot of time off school these days, he writes a lot of crap on the Dingle page as well but even his own supporters don't like him!!! Best to ignore him and he usually goes away for a couple of days. Lancs - pensioner
  • Score: 4

11:46am Fri 25 Apr 14

capri1 says...

Harwoodstblue wrote:
dallydally wrote:
No regrets? I have loads given the dozens of missed opportunities for points which would have seen us home and dry in the play offs by now!! At least the summer will give us a break from GB's constant references to "still being in it"!
We are still in it, but I agree about the points needlessly dropped through inexperience, lack of concentration or just plain negligence. Just two more wins, which we could easily have had, and we would have been virtually home and dry and in the playoffs now.
Not bad after the previous two years.
I think every team in the championship will have a similar tale to tell I think it's a case of "if my auntie had ***** she'd be my uncle" roll on next season
[quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dallydally[/bold] wrote: No regrets? I have loads given the dozens of missed opportunities for points which would have seen us home and dry in the play offs by now!! At least the summer will give us a break from GB's constant references to "still being in it"![/p][/quote]We are still in it, but I agree about the points needlessly dropped through inexperience, lack of concentration or just plain negligence. Just two more wins, which we could easily have had, and we would have been virtually home and dry and in the playoffs now. Not bad after the previous two years.[/p][/quote]I think every team in the championship will have a similar tale to tell I think it's a case of "if my auntie had ***** she'd be my uncle" roll on next season capri1
  • Score: 4

12:02pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Super_Clarets says...

thresholdweller wrote:
Burnley's success has made blinded many to the achievements of Gary Bowyer. OK, we are now a reasonable Championship club, not a decent Premiership one, but think what it looked like 18 months ago.
A whole 6 (SIX) points better off than last years debacle.

What a shambles.
[quote][p][bold]thresholdweller[/bold] wrote: Burnley's success has made blinded many to the achievements of Gary Bowyer. OK, we are now a reasonable Championship club, not a decent Premiership one, but think what it looked like 18 months ago.[/p][/quote]A whole 6 (SIX) points better off than last years debacle. What a shambles. Super_Clarets
  • Score: -10

12:36pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Deeping Lad says...

I may be stating the flippin obvious here but so much will depend on the start we make next season , I think the squad that GB has assembled will be good enough to get us a top 6 position but not starting from down in the basement , the young players will thrive on confidence as has been shown ( sometimes ) over these last 10 unbeaten games, have faith my friends as Del Boy used to say " This time next year we'll be millionaires " COYB
I may be stating the flippin obvious here but so much will depend on the start we make next season , I think the squad that GB has assembled will be good enough to get us a top 6 position but not starting from down in the basement , the young players will thrive on confidence as has been shown ( sometimes ) over these last 10 unbeaten games, have faith my friends as Del Boy used to say " This time next year we'll be millionaires " COYB Deeping Lad
  • Score: 5

1:13pm Fri 25 Apr 14

bluerob says...

I have regrets Gary, 6th place has been up for grabs and with the squad available we should easily have been there.

You need to get the Dyche approach from the 1st minute of next season, go for it and don't accept mediocre performances and results.
I have regrets Gary, 6th place has been up for grabs and with the squad available we should easily have been there. You need to get the Dyche approach from the 1st minute of next season, go for it and don't accept mediocre performances and results. bluerob
  • Score: 5

1:17pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Super_Clarets says...

How can you possibly, POSSIBLY consider your team good enough for a top 6 finish when this season you sit in 10th place and have yet to suffer the wrath of FFP in the form of a transfer ban coming into force in January?

You have never climbed any higher than EIGHTH all season!

Next season along with your transfer embargo you will have to sell your better players to reduce the wage bill in an attempt to comply with the new rules. You will have to compete with the likes of Sunderland, Fulham and possibly Cardiff coming down from the Premier League with the enhanced £60million parachute payments enabling them to fund their premier league squads for an instant return.

You have also got to face the teams that miss out on promotion this time around, the teams that have been competing at the top of the Championship all season long which may include QPR, Derby, Wigan, Nottingham Forest, Reading, Brighton, Ipswich and Watford. All are clubs with stronger squads and more money than you.

And then there are those teams who've struggled but will likely get their acts together next season such as Bolton and Leeds. And there's also those teams that come up, in particular Wolves who will have the momentum to get off to a good start and will be aiming for the play-off's themselves.

No sir, in all honesty next year will see your shower nowhere near the top teams in the Championship, and I would say you should be more worried about retaining Championship status than anything else.
How can you possibly, POSSIBLY consider your team good enough for a top 6 finish when this season you sit in 10th place and have yet to suffer the wrath of FFP in the form of a transfer ban coming into force in January? You have never climbed any higher than EIGHTH all season! Next season along with your transfer embargo you will have to sell your better players to reduce the wage bill in an attempt to comply with the new rules. You will have to compete with the likes of Sunderland, Fulham and possibly Cardiff coming down from the Premier League with the enhanced £60million parachute payments enabling them to fund their premier league squads for an instant return. You have also got to face the teams that miss out on promotion this time around, the teams that have been competing at the top of the Championship all season long which may include QPR, Derby, Wigan, Nottingham Forest, Reading, Brighton, Ipswich and Watford. All are clubs with stronger squads and more money than you. And then there are those teams who've struggled but will likely get their acts together next season such as Bolton and Leeds. And there's also those teams that come up, in particular Wolves who will have the momentum to get off to a good start and will be aiming for the play-off's themselves. No sir, in all honesty next year will see your shower nowhere near the top teams in the Championship, and I would say you should be more worried about retaining Championship status than anything else. Super_Clarets
  • Score: -4

1:49pm Fri 25 Apr 14

roverstid says...

Super_Clarets wrote:
How can you possibly, POSSIBLY consider your team good enough for a top 6 finish when this season you sit in 10th place and have yet to suffer the wrath of FFP in the form of a transfer ban coming into force in January?

You have never climbed any higher than EIGHTH all season!

Next season along with your transfer embargo you will have to sell your better players to reduce the wage bill in an attempt to comply with the new rules. You will have to compete with the likes of Sunderland, Fulham and possibly Cardiff coming down from the Premier League with the enhanced £60million parachute payments enabling them to fund their premier league squads for an instant return.

You have also got to face the teams that miss out on promotion this time around, the teams that have been competing at the top of the Championship all season long which may include QPR, Derby, Wigan, Nottingham Forest, Reading, Brighton, Ipswich and Watford. All are clubs with stronger squads and more money than you.

And then there are those teams who've struggled but will likely get their acts together next season such as Bolton and Leeds. And there's also those teams that come up, in particular Wolves who will have the momentum to get off to a good start and will be aiming for the play-off's themselves.

No sir, in all honesty next year will see your shower nowhere near the top teams in the Championship, and I would say you should be more worried about retaining Championship status than anything else.
Blah blah blah.

I won't lie to you. But you sir are an idiot.
[quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: How can you possibly, POSSIBLY consider your team good enough for a top 6 finish when this season you sit in 10th place and have yet to suffer the wrath of FFP in the form of a transfer ban coming into force in January? You have never climbed any higher than EIGHTH all season! Next season along with your transfer embargo you will have to sell your better players to reduce the wage bill in an attempt to comply with the new rules. You will have to compete with the likes of Sunderland, Fulham and possibly Cardiff coming down from the Premier League with the enhanced £60million parachute payments enabling them to fund their premier league squads for an instant return. You have also got to face the teams that miss out on promotion this time around, the teams that have been competing at the top of the Championship all season long which may include QPR, Derby, Wigan, Nottingham Forest, Reading, Brighton, Ipswich and Watford. All are clubs with stronger squads and more money than you. And then there are those teams who've struggled but will likely get their acts together next season such as Bolton and Leeds. And there's also those teams that come up, in particular Wolves who will have the momentum to get off to a good start and will be aiming for the play-off's themselves. No sir, in all honesty next year will see your shower nowhere near the top teams in the Championship, and I would say you should be more worried about retaining Championship status than anything else.[/p][/quote]Blah blah blah. I won't lie to you. But you sir are an idiot. roverstid
  • Score: -1

2:24pm Fri 25 Apr 14

noddy57 says...

thresholdweller wrote:
Burnley's success has made blinded many to the achievements of Gary Bowyer. OK, we are now a reasonable Championship club, not a decent Premiership one, but think what it looked like 18 months ago.
no-one can argue with that and if we manage to pick up all 6 point but still fail to make the play off,s it wont be Gary bowyers fault but the impossible situation he has had to work under from day 1,
[quote][p][bold]thresholdweller[/bold] wrote: Burnley's success has made blinded many to the achievements of Gary Bowyer. OK, we are now a reasonable Championship club, not a decent Premiership one, but think what it looked like 18 months ago.[/p][/quote]no-one can argue with that and if we manage to pick up all 6 point but still fail to make the play off,s it wont be Gary bowyers fault but the impossible situation he has had to work under from day 1, noddy57
  • Score: -1

3:10pm Fri 25 Apr 14

crankitup says...

i don't know why we're still papping on about 6th place...if Yeovil get beat off brighton tonight then it's all over for us....regardless if we win our remaining games, which would make it three win in a row and you know we're not capable of winning more than two games in a row.

i'm glad the players are being told not to take any regrets into close season...but many of us fans will take many regrets with us....losing our 35 year record to our rivals....our rivals being promoted (although i wish them well)....not being able to win more than two games in a row since 2006.....that fact that the chicken pluckers are still in charge and being sold the idea that we could get promoted next season....(JOKE)....


thanks for the memories Venky sc*m
i don't know why we're still papping on about 6th place...if Yeovil get beat off brighton tonight then it's all over for us....regardless if we win our remaining games, which would make it three win in a row and you know we're not capable of winning more than two games in a row. i'm glad the players are being told not to take any regrets into close season...but many of us fans will take many regrets with us....losing our 35 year record to our rivals....our rivals being promoted (although i wish them well)....not being able to win more than two games in a row since 2006.....that fact that the chicken pluckers are still in charge and being sold the idea that we could get promoted next season....(JOKE).... thanks for the memories Venky sc*m crankitup
  • Score: 4

3:54pm Fri 25 Apr 14

MxMave says...

Might be an unpopular remark but - I'd rather Todd Kane at RB than any other player in the squad. He's not 100% trustworthy but A) he's a right back by trade. B) He is the best attacking fullback we have and C) he's not called Henley.
Might be an unpopular remark but - I'd rather Todd Kane at RB than any other player in the squad. He's not 100% trustworthy but A) he's a right back by trade. B) He is the best attacking fullback we have and C) he's not called Henley. MxMave
  • Score: 4

3:58pm Fri 25 Apr 14

MxMave says...

crankitup wrote:
i don't know why we're still papping on about 6th place...if Yeovil get beat off brighton tonight then it's all over for us....regardless if we win our remaining games, which would make it three win in a row and you know we're not capable of winning more than two games in a row.

i'm glad the players are being told not to take any regrets into close season...but many of us fans will take many regrets with us....losing our 35 year record to our rivals....our rivals being promoted (although i wish them well)....not being able to win more than two games in a row since 2006.....that fact that the chicken pluckers are still in charge and being sold the idea that we could get promoted next season....(JOKE)....



thanks for the memories Venky sc*m
More importantly look at the results that we couldn't get that we should have got. Charlton home, Barnsley away, Doncaster away, Wigan away, Yeovil at home, Notts Forrest at home, Huddersfield at home, Sheff Wed away.

If we could have that that 10% more tactical nous in any of those games we would be comfortably within the playoffs now.

For me the summer should see a new, younger goalkeeper, a solid right-back, a tall center mid, keep hold of rhodes and a new manager with some tactics.
[quote][p][bold]crankitup[/bold] wrote: i don't know why we're still papping on about 6th place...if Yeovil get beat off brighton tonight then it's all over for us....regardless if we win our remaining games, which would make it three win in a row and you know we're not capable of winning more than two games in a row. i'm glad the players are being told not to take any regrets into close season...but many of us fans will take many regrets with us....losing our 35 year record to our rivals....our rivals being promoted (although i wish them well)....not being able to win more than two games in a row since 2006.....that fact that the chicken pluckers are still in charge and being sold the idea that we could get promoted next season....(JOKE).... thanks for the memories Venky sc*m[/p][/quote]More importantly look at the results that we couldn't get that we should have got. Charlton home, Barnsley away, Doncaster away, Wigan away, Yeovil at home, Notts Forrest at home, Huddersfield at home, Sheff Wed away. If we could have that that 10% more tactical nous in any of those games we would be comfortably within the playoffs now. For me the summer should see a new, younger goalkeeper, a solid right-back, a tall center mid, keep hold of rhodes and a new manager with some tactics. MxMave
  • Score: 3

4:35pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Angry From Accrington says...

GB has an uncanny knack of saying exactly the wrong thing at the right time. I regret it every time he speaks. We are playing for pride and that should be enough.
GB has an uncanny knack of saying exactly the wrong thing at the right time. I regret it every time he speaks. We are playing for pride and that should be enough. Angry From Accrington
  • Score: 4

4:46pm Fri 25 Apr 14

jimluftas says...

wilddog wrote:
now presuming and i am presuming a lot here. Say you get 6 points and reading only get 3. The goal difference is 7! thats without any more goals scored How is your team gonna make that up also?Brighton also have a 7 goal difference. Lets face it guys. GB states no pressure n his team. You gotta be kidding right? They are games you have to win and win by a margin and then hope the other teams fail? Not gonna happen, Sorry
You pay way too much attention to what's going on at OUR club. It's unhealthy.
[quote][p][bold]wilddog[/bold] wrote: now presuming and i am presuming a lot here. Say you get 6 points and reading only get 3. The goal difference is 7! thats without any more goals scored How is your team gonna make that up also?Brighton also have a 7 goal difference. Lets face it guys. GB states no pressure n his team. You gotta be kidding right? They are games you have to win and win by a margin and then hope the other teams fail? Not gonna happen, Sorry[/p][/quote]You pay way too much attention to what's going on at OUR club. It's unhealthy. jimluftas
  • Score: 1

5:37pm Fri 25 Apr 14

wilddog says...

jimluftas wrote:
wilddog wrote:
now presuming and i am presuming a lot here. Say you get 6 points and reading only get 3. The goal difference is 7! thats without any more goals scored How is your team gonna make that up also?Brighton also have a 7 goal difference. Lets face it guys. GB states no pressure n his team. You gotta be kidding right? They are games you have to win and win by a margin and then hope the other teams fail? Not gonna happen, Sorry
You pay way too much attention to what's going on at OUR club. It's unhealthy.
Why? I dont support Burnley and my team is already in the playoffs and certain of it too! My team were certain of it many matches ago!
[quote][p][bold]jimluftas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wilddog[/bold] wrote: now presuming and i am presuming a lot here. Say you get 6 points and reading only get 3. The goal difference is 7! thats without any more goals scored How is your team gonna make that up also?Brighton also have a 7 goal difference. Lets face it guys. GB states no pressure n his team. You gotta be kidding right? They are games you have to win and win by a margin and then hope the other teams fail? Not gonna happen, Sorry[/p][/quote]You pay way too much attention to what's going on at OUR club. It's unhealthy.[/p][/quote]Why? I dont support Burnley and my team is already in the playoffs and certain of it too! My team were certain of it many matches ago! wilddog
  • Score: -4

6:42pm Fri 25 Apr 14

bring back the good old days says...

Super_Clarets wrote:
How can you possibly, POSSIBLY consider your team good enough for a top 6 finish when this season you sit in 10th place and have yet to suffer the wrath of FFP in the form of a transfer ban coming into force in January?

You have never climbed any higher than EIGHTH all season!

Next season along with your transfer embargo you will have to sell your better players to reduce the wage bill in an attempt to comply with the new rules. You will have to compete with the likes of Sunderland, Fulham and possibly Cardiff coming down from the Premier League with the enhanced £60million parachute payments enabling them to fund their premier league squads for an instant return.

You have also got to face the teams that miss out on promotion this time around, the teams that have been competing at the top of the Championship all season long which may include QPR, Derby, Wigan, Nottingham Forest, Reading, Brighton, Ipswich and Watford. All are clubs with stronger squads and more money than you.

And then there are those teams who've struggled but will likely get their acts together next season such as Bolton and Leeds. And there's also those teams that come up, in particular Wolves who will have the momentum to get off to a good start and will be aiming for the play-off's themselves.

No sir, in all honesty next year will see your shower nowhere near the top teams in the Championship, and I would say you should be more worried about retaining Championship status than anything else.
I would never normally respond to any posting from a BFC poster encroaching upon 'our business'.

But in this case I will make an exception, this in way of generally acknowledging his 'opinion'
I also feel that just maybe we have 'missed the boat', and it was there right before us and literally offering us a berth.
This because the Champs this year IMO has been of a particularly poor standard in terms of only two teams actually being able to make a fist of it and hence put up decent runs.
I fear he is right and next season could well be a very different affair altogether. This for all the reasons he quotes.

This is not doom mongering, just telling it how I see it, and as they say 'the truth often hurts'.

Our level of performances, from the off and throughout will need to be considerably of higher quality, commitment and guile to get into the top 6, never mind the top 2.

Have we got it ? Time will tell.
[quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: How can you possibly, POSSIBLY consider your team good enough for a top 6 finish when this season you sit in 10th place and have yet to suffer the wrath of FFP in the form of a transfer ban coming into force in January? You have never climbed any higher than EIGHTH all season! Next season along with your transfer embargo you will have to sell your better players to reduce the wage bill in an attempt to comply with the new rules. You will have to compete with the likes of Sunderland, Fulham and possibly Cardiff coming down from the Premier League with the enhanced £60million parachute payments enabling them to fund their premier league squads for an instant return. You have also got to face the teams that miss out on promotion this time around, the teams that have been competing at the top of the Championship all season long which may include QPR, Derby, Wigan, Nottingham Forest, Reading, Brighton, Ipswich and Watford. All are clubs with stronger squads and more money than you. And then there are those teams who've struggled but will likely get their acts together next season such as Bolton and Leeds. And there's also those teams that come up, in particular Wolves who will have the momentum to get off to a good start and will be aiming for the play-off's themselves. No sir, in all honesty next year will see your shower nowhere near the top teams in the Championship, and I would say you should be more worried about retaining Championship status than anything else.[/p][/quote]I would never normally respond to any posting from a BFC poster encroaching upon 'our business'. But in this case I will make an exception, this in way of generally acknowledging his 'opinion' I also feel that just maybe we have 'missed the boat', and it was there right before us and literally offering us a berth. This because the Champs this year IMO has been of a particularly poor standard in terms of only two teams actually being able to make a fist of it and hence put up decent runs. I fear he is right and next season could well be a very different affair altogether. This for all the reasons he quotes. This is not doom mongering, just telling it how I see it, and as they say 'the truth often hurts'. Our level of performances, from the off and throughout will need to be considerably of higher quality, commitment and guile to get into the top 6, never mind the top 2. Have we got it ? Time will tell. bring back the good old days
  • Score: 2

6:44pm Fri 25 Apr 14

MattNewcastle says...

A Rover 45 years and over wrote:
The fact that we are clinging in there at the moment does give us some hope for next season, but I feel it is going to be another hard slog with us relying on GB being able to up his game on the choice and timing of his substitutions in order to make the most of a decent Championship squad he has now assembled.
Decent championship squad!!

No midfield
Relying on cameo appearances when Dunn is fit who cannot last a full game.
Ageing keeper
No recognised Right back
Manager who does not know how to set our team up let alone make astute substitutions.
Manager who does not know how to start a game with real momentum and impetus

sorry not convinced
[quote][p][bold]A Rover 45 years and over[/bold] wrote: The fact that we are clinging in there at the moment does give us some hope for next season, but I feel it is going to be another hard slog with us relying on GB being able to up his game on the choice and timing of his substitutions in order to make the most of a decent Championship squad he has now assembled.[/p][/quote]Decent championship squad!! No midfield Relying on cameo appearances when Dunn is fit who cannot last a full game. Ageing keeper No recognised Right back Manager who does not know how to set our team up let alone make astute substitutions. Manager who does not know how to start a game with real momentum and impetus sorry not convinced MattNewcastle
  • Score: -2

6:49pm Fri 25 Apr 14

MattNewcastle says...

What about your regrets Team GB

You are all in it together

Do you regret signing players last pre season who were never going to be the qyality acquisitions required.

Non of whom feature in the match day squads now but did until Dec / January and who are all out on loan.
What about your regrets Team GB You are all in it together Do you regret signing players last pre season who were never going to be the qyality acquisitions required. Non of whom feature in the match day squads now but did until Dec / January and who are all out on loan. MattNewcastle
  • Score: 0

6:57pm Fri 25 Apr 14

MattNewcastle says...

cruzy_cruz wrote:
No regret? There's already a list of regrets as long as your arm Bowyer, you melon. Either caused through your own tactical incometence or the team bottling it whenever they reached the dizzying heights on 8th place. Forest home 1- 0 loss Doncaster away 2-0 loss Charlton home 0-1 loss Brighton away 3-0 loss...EMBARRSSING Ipswich away 3-1 battering Birminham home 3-2 loss.... debacle Forest away 4-1 loss.......men against idiots Bolton away 4-0 oss.....ripped a new backside BURNLEY home 2-1 LOSS.....EVEN KEAN COULDN'T MANAGE A DEFEAT OFF THAT LOT Bournemouth home 1-0 loss.........worse than anything Kean served up. Possibly the worst home performanc in living memory This is not including the plethora of draws that we bottled from winning positions. Some fans expectations may be the gutter and they now suffer from stockholm syndrome given the 4 **** managers we have has since Sam but it's no reason to be happy with the current one as he WILL NEVER gain promotion. Remember that last season we were 10 points off the play offs. By the end of the season that gap could be the same. Just that this season the lower teams have been really really bad where last season they were strong. Peterborough and Wolves would BOTH be safe NOW with the points they went down with.
Totally agree
[quote][p][bold]cruzy_cruz[/bold] wrote: No regret? There's already a list of regrets as long as your arm Bowyer, you melon. Either caused through your own tactical incometence or the team bottling it whenever they reached the dizzying heights on 8th place. Forest home 1- 0 loss Doncaster away 2-0 loss Charlton home 0-1 loss Brighton away 3-0 loss...EMBARRSSING Ipswich away 3-1 battering Birminham home 3-2 loss.... debacle Forest away 4-1 loss.......men against idiots Bolton away 4-0 oss.....ripped a new backside BURNLEY home 2-1 LOSS.....EVEN KEAN COULDN'T MANAGE A DEFEAT OFF THAT LOT Bournemouth home 1-0 loss.........worse than anything Kean served up. Possibly the worst home performanc in living memory This is not including the plethora of draws that we bottled from winning positions. Some fans expectations may be the gutter and they now suffer from stockholm syndrome given the 4 **** managers we have has since Sam but it's no reason to be happy with the current one as he WILL NEVER gain promotion. Remember that last season we were 10 points off the play offs. By the end of the season that gap could be the same. Just that this season the lower teams have been really really bad where last season they were strong. Peterborough and Wolves would BOTH be safe NOW with the points they went down with.[/p][/quote]Totally agree MattNewcastle
  • Score: 0

7:02pm Fri 25 Apr 14

MattNewcastle says...

Harwoodstblue wrote:
dallydally wrote: No regrets? I have loads given the dozens of missed opportunities for points which would have seen us home and dry in the play offs by now!! At least the summer will give us a break from GB's constant references to "still being in it"!
We are still in it, but I agree about the points needlessly dropped through inexperience, lack of concentration or just plain negligence. Just two more wins, which we could easily have had, and we would have been virtually home and dry and in the playoffs now. Not bad after the previous two years.
An experienced manager would have seen us top 6

Venkys for all their faults have stull let Team GB bring players in

Problem was Team GB akk culpable who thought the likes of Marrow Taylor Judge Morris etc were the quality needed to do the job.
[quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dallydally[/bold] wrote: No regrets? I have loads given the dozens of missed opportunities for points which would have seen us home and dry in the play offs by now!! At least the summer will give us a break from GB's constant references to "still being in it"![/p][/quote]We are still in it, but I agree about the points needlessly dropped through inexperience, lack of concentration or just plain negligence. Just two more wins, which we could easily have had, and we would have been virtually home and dry and in the playoffs now. Not bad after the previous two years.[/p][/quote]An experienced manager would have seen us top 6 Venkys for all their faults have stull let Team GB bring players in Problem was Team GB akk culpable who thought the likes of Marrow Taylor Judge Morris etc were the quality needed to do the job. MattNewcastle
  • Score: -1

7:10pm Fri 25 Apr 14

MattNewcastle says...

Deeping Lad wrote:
I may be stating the flippin obvious here but so much will depend on the start we make next season , I think the squad that GB has assembled will be good enough to get us a top 6 position but not starting from down in the basement , the young players will thrive on confidence as has been shown ( sometimes ) over these last 10 unbeaten games, have faith my friends as Del Boy used to say " This time next year we'll be millionaires " COYB
Attitude

There attitude urgency to get the ball back into play increasing the time the ball was potentially in play was appalling.

Yeovil actually ran for the ball when it went out in the second half because they thought they could snatch a win

I dud not see the desire from them to really impose themselves on the game and GB starting with the side he did says everything
[quote][p][bold]Deeping Lad[/bold] wrote: I may be stating the flippin obvious here but so much will depend on the start we make next season , I think the squad that GB has assembled will be good enough to get us a top 6 position but not starting from down in the basement , the young players will thrive on confidence as has been shown ( sometimes ) over these last 10 unbeaten games, have faith my friends as Del Boy used to say " This time next year we'll be millionaires " COYB[/p][/quote]Attitude There attitude urgency to get the ball back into play increasing the time the ball was potentially in play was appalling. Yeovil actually ran for the ball when it went out in the second half because they thought they could snatch a win I dud not see the desire from them to really impose themselves on the game and GB starting with the side he did says everything MattNewcastle
  • Score: 0

9:32pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Incest Each Sunday says...

cruzy_cruz wrote:
No regret? There's already a list of regrets as long as your arm Bowyer, you melon.

Either caused through your own tactical incometence or the team bottling it whenever they reached the dizzying heights on 8th place.

Forest home 1- 0 loss
Doncaster away 2-0 loss
Charlton home 0-1 loss
Brighton away 3-0 loss...EMBARRSSING
Ipswich away 3-1 battering
Birminham home 3-2 loss.... debacle
Forest away 4-1 loss.......men against idiots
Bolton away 4-0 oss.....ripped a new backside
BURNLEY home 2-1 LOSS.....EVEN KEAN COULDN'T MANAGE A DEFEAT OFF THAT LOT
Bournemouth home 1-0 loss.........worse than anything Kean served up. Possibly the worst home performanc in living memory

This is not including the plethora of draws that we bottled from winning positions.

Some fans expectations may be the gutter and they now suffer from stockholm syndrome given the 4 **** managers we have has since Sam but it's no reason to be happy with the current one as he WILL NEVER gain promotion.

Remember that last season we were 10 points off the play offs. By the end of the season that gap could be the same. Just that this season the lower teams have been really really bad where last season they were strong. Peterborough and Wolves would BOTH be safe NOW with the points they went down with.
Firstly, I'm not sure if you, like a lot of posters on here, have missed the point of the article. Bowyer isn't saying the team has no regrets for the season, he's saying he wants the lads to win both of the remaining matches in case the unimaginable happens and the teams above us all drop points. He's saying that whatever has gone before, the players need to keep going until it's definitely over.

As for your list of losses, I'd agree with you if it wasn't for the fact that some of those 'disappointments' are based on hindsight - namely where those teams are now - as opposed to how well they were playing at the time (We were written off against Forest at Ewood before the season started and we only lost in injury time.) I'm not going to deny that it's been a frustrating season with regards to the lack of consistency, but we are getting better. We've been very unlucky with injuries to key players so it's been nigh on impossible for Bowyer to pick a settled best XI. (Oddly enough, if Marshall hadn't picked up an injury near the end of January then we probably wouldn't have signed Conway!)

Also, Steve Kean never lost to Burnley because he never managed Rovers against them. Berg and then Appleton were at the helm when we played them last season.
[quote][p][bold]cruzy_cruz[/bold] wrote: No regret? There's already a list of regrets as long as your arm Bowyer, you melon. Either caused through your own tactical incometence or the team bottling it whenever they reached the dizzying heights on 8th place. Forest home 1- 0 loss Doncaster away 2-0 loss Charlton home 0-1 loss Brighton away 3-0 loss...EMBARRSSING Ipswich away 3-1 battering Birminham home 3-2 loss.... debacle Forest away 4-1 loss.......men against idiots Bolton away 4-0 oss.....ripped a new backside BURNLEY home 2-1 LOSS.....EVEN KEAN COULDN'T MANAGE A DEFEAT OFF THAT LOT Bournemouth home 1-0 loss.........worse than anything Kean served up. Possibly the worst home performanc in living memory This is not including the plethora of draws that we bottled from winning positions. Some fans expectations may be the gutter and they now suffer from stockholm syndrome given the 4 **** managers we have has since Sam but it's no reason to be happy with the current one as he WILL NEVER gain promotion. Remember that last season we were 10 points off the play offs. By the end of the season that gap could be the same. Just that this season the lower teams have been really really bad where last season they were strong. Peterborough and Wolves would BOTH be safe NOW with the points they went down with.[/p][/quote]Firstly, I'm not sure if you, like a lot of posters on here, have missed the point of the article. Bowyer isn't saying the team has no regrets for the season, he's saying he wants the lads to win both of the remaining matches in case the unimaginable happens and the teams above us all drop points. He's saying that whatever has gone before, the players need to keep going until it's definitely over. As for your list of losses, I'd agree with you if it wasn't for the fact that some of those 'disappointments' are based on hindsight - namely where those teams are now - as opposed to how well they were playing at the time (We were written off against Forest at Ewood before the season started and we only lost in injury time.) I'm not going to deny that it's been a frustrating season with regards to the lack of consistency, but we are getting better. We've been very unlucky with injuries to key players so it's been nigh on impossible for Bowyer to pick a settled best XI. (Oddly enough, if Marshall hadn't picked up an injury near the end of January then we probably wouldn't have signed Conway!) Also, Steve Kean never lost to Burnley because he never managed Rovers against them. Berg and then Appleton were at the helm when we played them last season. Incest Each Sunday
  • Score: 5

10:25pm Fri 25 Apr 14

Incest Each Sunday says...

wilddog wrote:
jimluftas wrote:
wilddog wrote:
now presuming and i am presuming a lot here. Say you get 6 points and reading only get 3. The goal difference is 7! thats without any more goals scored How is your team gonna make that up also?Brighton also have a 7 goal difference. Lets face it guys. GB states no pressure n his team. You gotta be kidding right? They are games you have to win and win by a margin and then hope the other teams fail? Not gonna happen, Sorry
You pay way too much attention to what's going on at OUR club. It's unhealthy.
Why? I dont support Burnley and my team is already in the playoffs and certain of it too! My team were certain of it many matches ago!
Erm, as well as other results we need to go in our favour, we're obviously hoping that Reading don't pick up more than two points from their remaining two games, and need Brighton to lose their last game. Then, should we win both our remaining games 1-0 it wouldn't matter if those two teams had a goal difference of +50 as we'd still have more points than them. So no, we don't need to win by huge margins.

Nobody is saying it's probable but it's not impossible either.

As for not being a Dingle, and your own team being guaranteed their play-off place ''many matches ago'', you either support a team in a lower division or you're a Derby City fan who has no understanding of the definition of the word 'many'.
[quote][p][bold]wilddog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jimluftas[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wilddog[/bold] wrote: now presuming and i am presuming a lot here. Say you get 6 points and reading only get 3. The goal difference is 7! thats without any more goals scored How is your team gonna make that up also?Brighton also have a 7 goal difference. Lets face it guys. GB states no pressure n his team. You gotta be kidding right? They are games you have to win and win by a margin and then hope the other teams fail? Not gonna happen, Sorry[/p][/quote]You pay way too much attention to what's going on at OUR club. It's unhealthy.[/p][/quote]Why? I dont support Burnley and my team is already in the playoffs and certain of it too! My team were certain of it many matches ago![/p][/quote]Erm, as well as other results we need to go in our favour, we're obviously hoping that Reading don't pick up more than two points from their remaining two games, and need Brighton to lose their last game. Then, should we win both our remaining games 1-0 it wouldn't matter if those two teams had a goal difference of +50 as we'd still have more points than them. So no, we don't need to win by huge margins. Nobody is saying it's probable but it's not impossible either. As for not being a Dingle, and your own team being guaranteed their play-off place ''many matches ago'', you either support a team in a lower division or you're a Derby City fan who has no understanding of the definition of the word 'many'. Incest Each Sunday
  • Score: 4

2:09am Sat 26 Apr 14

greenscreener says...

MattNewcastle wrote:
What about your regrets Team GB

You are all in it together

Do you regret signing players last pre season who were never going to be the qyality acquisitions required.

Non of whom feature in the match day squads now but did until Dec / January and who are all out on loan.
And this is the Mattnewcastle who was telling us to get rid of Jordan Rhodes, that was, err, when ? Oh yes, the week before his hat trick at Huddersfield !, yeah right Matt, you are just the guy to comment on Bowyers judgement of players. Or do you regret saying that ?

So GB didn't get them all right, neither did any other football manager in history, but he got many of them right, Cairney, Evans, Spurr, Kilgallon, Conway, Gestade, Marshall have all put in great performances this season.

You are entitled to your opinion but frankly you appear to be wrong more often than you are right.
[quote][p][bold]MattNewcastle[/bold] wrote: What about your regrets Team GB You are all in it together Do you regret signing players last pre season who were never going to be the qyality acquisitions required. Non of whom feature in the match day squads now but did until Dec / January and who are all out on loan.[/p][/quote]And this is the Mattnewcastle who was telling us to get rid of Jordan Rhodes, that was, err, when ? Oh yes, the week before his hat trick at Huddersfield !, yeah right Matt, you are just the guy to comment on Bowyers judgement of players. Or do you regret saying that ? So GB didn't get them all right, neither did any other football manager in history, but he got many of them right, Cairney, Evans, Spurr, Kilgallon, Conway, Gestade, Marshall have all put in great performances this season. You are entitled to your opinion but frankly you appear to be wrong more often than you are right. greenscreener
  • Score: 2

10:38am Sat 26 Apr 14

Incest Each Sunday says...

greenscreener wrote:
MattNewcastle wrote:
What about your regrets Team GB

You are all in it together

Do you regret signing players last pre season who were never going to be the qyality acquisitions required.

Non of whom feature in the match day squads now but did until Dec / January and who are all out on loan.
And this is the Mattnewcastle who was telling us to get rid of Jordan Rhodes, that was, err, when ? Oh yes, the week before his hat trick at Huddersfield !, yeah right Matt, you are just the guy to comment on Bowyers judgement of players. Or do you regret saying that ?

So GB didn't get them all right, neither did any other football manager in history, but he got many of them right, Cairney, Evans, Spurr, Kilgallon, Conway, Gestade, Marshall have all put in great performances this season.

You are entitled to your opinion but frankly you appear to be wrong more often than you are right.
Well said. Matt's argument lost a lot of weight with me as soon as he said we have no midfield. Granted, Bowyer didn't get it right from the outset but this season was about learning and stabilising, both of which Bowyer has done.

Also, saying Yeovil ran for the ball when it went out of play because they thought they could win the game is ridiculous. They ran for the ball because they needed the win, it doesn't mean they were ever in a position to actually do it. They had seven attempts on goal all game, none of which were on target, and he believes they posed a threat!
[quote][p][bold]greenscreener[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MattNewcastle[/bold] wrote: What about your regrets Team GB You are all in it together Do you regret signing players last pre season who were never going to be the qyality acquisitions required. Non of whom feature in the match day squads now but did until Dec / January and who are all out on loan.[/p][/quote]And this is the Mattnewcastle who was telling us to get rid of Jordan Rhodes, that was, err, when ? Oh yes, the week before his hat trick at Huddersfield !, yeah right Matt, you are just the guy to comment on Bowyers judgement of players. Or do you regret saying that ? So GB didn't get them all right, neither did any other football manager in history, but he got many of them right, Cairney, Evans, Spurr, Kilgallon, Conway, Gestade, Marshall have all put in great performances this season. You are entitled to your opinion but frankly you appear to be wrong more often than you are right.[/p][/quote]Well said. Matt's argument lost a lot of weight with me as soon as he said we have no midfield. Granted, Bowyer didn't get it right from the outset but this season was about learning and stabilising, both of which Bowyer has done. Also, saying Yeovil ran for the ball when it went out of play because they thought they could win the game is ridiculous. They ran for the ball because they needed the win, it doesn't mean they were ever in a position to actually do it. They had seven attempts on goal all game, none of which were on target, and he believes they posed a threat! Incest Each Sunday
  • Score: 3

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