Football League financial fair play regulations to be reviewed

Derek Shaw

Derek Shaw

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PRESSURE is growing on the Football League to change its incoming financial fair play rules - in a move that could have a knock-on effect for Blackburn Rovers.

FFP rules were agreed in 2012 that will see clubs face transfer embargoes if they post significant financial losses in their annual accounts.

Rovers managing director Derek Shaw has previously admitted that the club face a real challenge to fall in line by the time the rules come into force in January.

But several Championship clubs have threatened legal action against the Football League.

Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore has now revealed that they are in talks with the Football League to change the rules, wary of major issues for sides promoted to or relegated from the top flight.

Scudamore told Press Association Sport: “I think the Championship clubs and the Football League themselves are taking a long hard look at what they have done with their own rules.

”Obviously we have some concerns but these are concerns we expressed at the time when they introduced them.

”We thought the transition between leagues is going to be very difficult and I think there is a mood certainly around our clubs and I think with (Football League chief executive) Shaun Harvey and the board of the Football League to sit around in a room and see if we can actually come up with something that makes that transition more manageable.”

Football League chief executive Shaun Harvey, who was not in the post when FFP was agreed in 2012, confirmed a review of the rules taking into account “football’s financial landscape” was now under way.

Harvey said: “As was envisaged at the outset, the Football League is currently reviewing the Championship’s FFP rules following two years of financial returns by clubs under these regulations."

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5:12pm Fri 14 Mar 14

French Rover says...

Looks like common sense will prevail for a change...which is a miracle in football these days.

The Championship clubs and the Football League had between them created a `noose` around clubs that showed any ambition or aspiration of promotion. Maybe this will help ease the pressure off the Rovers (and Venkys) and allow us to invest again - albeit more carefully than before.
Looks like common sense will prevail for a change...which is a miracle in football these days. The Championship clubs and the Football League had between them created a `noose` around clubs that showed any ambition or aspiration of promotion. Maybe this will help ease the pressure off the Rovers (and Venkys) and allow us to invest again - albeit more carefully than before. French Rover
  • Score: 5

5:16pm Fri 14 Mar 14

adcr says...

Phew!!! It will be a massive boost for next season if there will be no transfer embargo. Good news for a change.
Phew!!! It will be a massive boost for next season if there will be no transfer embargo. Good news for a change. adcr
  • Score: 5

5:20pm Fri 14 Mar 14

adcr says...

I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol
I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol adcr
  • Score: 2

5:32pm Fri 14 Mar 14

andy1 says...

adcr wrote:
I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol
We have better things to comment about UTC.
[quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol[/p][/quote]We have better things to comment about UTC. andy1
  • Score: -1

5:33pm Fri 14 Mar 14

inishowen claret says...

the clarets do all the talking we need on the pitch- keep looking up
the clarets do all the talking we need on the pitch- keep looking up inishowen claret
  • Score: -3

5:35pm Fri 14 Mar 14

BlueSkies says...

What have we been saying for ages................
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What have we been saying for ages................ .. BlueSkies
  • Score: 0

5:49pm Fri 14 Mar 14

adcr says...

andy1 wrote:
adcr wrote:
I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol
We have better things to comment about UTC.
Accordingly to many Burnley posters on here the "financial fair play regulations", will consign us to oblivion, if these reports are right they won't hurt us at all.

The other Burnley fan who posted on here says that you do "all your talking on the pitch. **** right you do, and that is why you've been silent for the last 35 years, only woke up last Sunday.
[quote][p][bold]andy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol[/p][/quote]We have better things to comment about UTC.[/p][/quote]Accordingly to many Burnley posters on here the "financial fair play regulations", will consign us to oblivion, if these reports are right they won't hurt us at all. The other Burnley fan who posted on here says that you do "all your talking on the pitch. **** right you do, and that is why you've been silent for the last 35 years, only woke up last Sunday. adcr
  • Score: 2

5:56pm Fri 14 Mar 14

DoggydogNo1 says...

Will make no difference to rovers as the will always post loses and never return to the prem! Fans of theirs want their cake now and if they dont get it, they spit there dummies out and cry foul! Hope it comes into effect as the clubs at the time all agreed to it! Not there fault your team was relegated so put up and shut up, Cry babies!
Will make no difference to rovers as the will always post loses and never return to the prem! Fans of theirs want their cake now and if they dont get it, they spit there dummies out and cry foul! Hope it comes into effect as the clubs at the time all agreed to it! Not there fault your team was relegated so put up and shut up, Cry babies! DoggydogNo1
  • Score: -2

5:57pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Monte says...

I agree it does need looking at, however there has to be some form of penalty for the teams that have plainly just not adhered to the laws. Transfer embargo does seem steep, point deduction? and/or fines (distributed to poorer clubs) would be a fairer way.

The idea is to create a more level playing field.

Burnley managed this even with the $hitty financial situation we were previously in. Now we are looking without the millions :)

I really dont wish other clubs to dissolve. Blackburn or otherwise!
I agree it does need looking at, however there has to be some form of penalty for the teams that have plainly just not adhered to the laws. Transfer embargo does seem steep, point deduction? and/or fines (distributed to poorer clubs) would be a fairer way. The idea is to create a more level playing field. Burnley managed this even with the $hitty financial situation we were previously in. Now we are looking without the millions :) I really dont wish other clubs to dissolve. Blackburn or otherwise! Monte
  • Score: 12

6:00pm Fri 14 Mar 14

baldie says...

Looks like Judith Charmers is on holiday again.
Looks like Judith Charmers is on holiday again. baldie
  • Score: -1

6:03pm Fri 14 Mar 14

adcr says...

DoggydogNo1 wrote:
Will make no difference to rovers as the will always post loses and never return to the prem! Fans of theirs want their cake now and if they dont get it, they spit there dummies out and cry foul! Hope it comes into effect as the clubs at the time all agreed to it! Not there fault your team was relegated so put up and shut up, Cry babies!
We didn't agree to it. we were mugged by the likes of you lot, who no doubt agreed to it knowing that with us having the Venky's we'd get relegated sooner or later. It's you lot who are bitter. Well we aren't putting up with your bullying pack mentality.
[quote][p][bold]DoggydogNo1[/bold] wrote: Will make no difference to rovers as the will always post loses and never return to the prem! Fans of theirs want their cake now and if they dont get it, they spit there dummies out and cry foul! Hope it comes into effect as the clubs at the time all agreed to it! Not there fault your team was relegated so put up and shut up, Cry babies![/p][/quote]We didn't agree to it. we were mugged by the likes of you lot, who no doubt agreed to it knowing that with us having the Venky's we'd get relegated sooner or later. It's you lot who are bitter. Well we aren't putting up with your bullying pack mentality. adcr
  • Score: -3

6:06pm Fri 14 Mar 14

mammamiauk says...

adcr wrote:
I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol
Don't speak too soon. Those Burnley trolls will be back before you know it, the best way is not to respond to them as they absolutely love annoying us Rovers fans and nothing pleases these trolls more than us responding to their comments/postings. They also have nothing better to do than be obsessed with the Rovers as they know that their club will never achieve what Rovers have achieved.
[quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol[/p][/quote]Don't speak too soon. Those Burnley trolls will be back before you know it, the best way is not to respond to them as they absolutely love annoying us Rovers fans and nothing pleases these trolls more than us responding to their comments/postings. They also have nothing better to do than be obsessed with the Rovers as they know that their club will never achieve what Rovers have achieved. mammamiauk
  • Score: -9

6:09pm Fri 14 Mar 14

DoggydogNo1 says...

adcr wrote:
DoggydogNo1 wrote:
Will make no difference to rovers as the will always post loses and never return to the prem! Fans of theirs want their cake now and if they dont get it, they spit there dummies out and cry foul! Hope it comes into effect as the clubs at the time all agreed to it! Not there fault your team was relegated so put up and shut up, Cry babies!
We didn't agree to it. we were mugged by the likes of you lot, who no doubt agreed to it knowing that with us having the Venky's we'd get relegated sooner or later. It's you lot who are bitter. Well we aren't putting up with your bullying pack mentality.
Tough! If you were that good, you would still be in the prem, wont you? Why are we bitter? Its only the clubs who have dome nothing about costs that are moaning! Better to impose a 20 point deduction then at start of season to make it fair? I agree, it should apply to all leagues but it dont, so live with it. Time to pay for all that spending without thinking of the costs. When venkies took over, my goodness, you lot were cockahoop over it, Now,its a different matter aint it? Any club that means more then its means should be ashamed of itself along with the fans as without them, a team cannot moan about it.
[quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DoggydogNo1[/bold] wrote: Will make no difference to rovers as the will always post loses and never return to the prem! Fans of theirs want their cake now and if they dont get it, they spit there dummies out and cry foul! Hope it comes into effect as the clubs at the time all agreed to it! Not there fault your team was relegated so put up and shut up, Cry babies![/p][/quote]We didn't agree to it. we were mugged by the likes of you lot, who no doubt agreed to it knowing that with us having the Venky's we'd get relegated sooner or later. It's you lot who are bitter. Well we aren't putting up with your bullying pack mentality.[/p][/quote]Tough! If you were that good, you would still be in the prem, wont you? Why are we bitter? Its only the clubs who have dome nothing about costs that are moaning! Better to impose a 20 point deduction then at start of season to make it fair? I agree, it should apply to all leagues but it dont, so live with it. Time to pay for all that spending without thinking of the costs. When venkies took over, my goodness, you lot were cockahoop over it, Now,its a different matter aint it? Any club that means more then its means should be ashamed of itself along with the fans as without them, a team cannot moan about it. DoggydogNo1
  • Score: -6

6:10pm Fri 14 Mar 14

DoggydogNo1 says...

mammamiauk wrote:
adcr wrote:
I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol
Don't speak too soon. Those Burnley trolls will be back before you know it, the best way is not to respond to them as they absolutely love annoying us Rovers fans and nothing pleases these trolls more than us responding to their comments/postings. They also have nothing better to do than be obsessed with the Rovers as they know that their club will never achieve what Rovers have achieved.
Wot fans? The only ones on here always moan! They are not fans,more like parasites that a club could do without!
[quote][p][bold]mammamiauk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol[/p][/quote]Don't speak too soon. Those Burnley trolls will be back before you know it, the best way is not to respond to them as they absolutely love annoying us Rovers fans and nothing pleases these trolls more than us responding to their comments/postings. They also have nothing better to do than be obsessed with the Rovers as they know that their club will never achieve what Rovers have achieved.[/p][/quote]Wot fans? The only ones on here always moan! They are not fans,more like parasites that a club could do without! DoggydogNo1
  • Score: -4

6:12pm Fri 14 Mar 14

adcr says...

mammamiauk wrote:
adcr wrote:
I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol
Don't speak too soon. Those Burnley trolls will be back before you know it, the best way is not to respond to them as they absolutely love annoying us Rovers fans and nothing pleases these trolls more than us responding to their comments/postings. They also have nothing better to do than be obsessed with the Rovers as they know that their club will never achieve what Rovers have achieved.
I know just couldn't resist giving a little bit of stick back. Fingers crossed the embargo will be stopped, and that the venky's will put a few million aside to strengthen over the summer. Long shot I know.
[quote][p][bold]mammamiauk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol[/p][/quote]Don't speak too soon. Those Burnley trolls will be back before you know it, the best way is not to respond to them as they absolutely love annoying us Rovers fans and nothing pleases these trolls more than us responding to their comments/postings. They also have nothing better to do than be obsessed with the Rovers as they know that their club will never achieve what Rovers have achieved.[/p][/quote]I know just couldn't resist giving a little bit of stick back. Fingers crossed the embargo will be stopped, and that the venky's will put a few million aside to strengthen over the summer. Long shot I know. adcr
  • Score: 1

6:17pm Fri 14 Mar 14

juanbbien says...

Do you think this lot are going to spend anymore on players when there main game plan is getting No good loans and freebies hence the position we are in,plus the fact would you trust Bowyers judgment anyway
Do you think this lot are going to spend anymore on players when there main game plan is getting No good loans and freebies hence the position we are in,plus the fact would you trust Bowyers judgment anyway juanbbien
  • Score: 0

6:17pm Fri 14 Mar 14

McClaret says...

French Rover wrote:
Looks like common sense will prevail for a change...which is a miracle in football these days.

The Championship clubs and the Football League had between them created a `noose` around clubs that showed any ambition or aspiration of promotion. Maybe this will help ease the pressure off the Rovers (and Venkys) and allow us to invest again - albeit more carefully than before.
Hello French, normally agree with your posts but not this time.
How can it be common sense to allow clubs to continue to pile millions of debt year after year? Surely that is how a business fails? And for what, chasing the dream of the PL. Sounds like a junkie looking for a fix.
As for a noose around clubs showing ambition or aspiration of promotion.
FFP is being introduced to prevent the inevitable. The football league needs to establish order amongst it's 72 or we will see many clubs fold and where will fans watch games then? Yes in an armchair via skyf'insports. If a business wants to take a risk and invest heavily but then fails why should it be bailed out?
I think if it affects clubs to the negative in the short term than yes it should be revised and those clubs be supported to balance their books in a much better way. Blackburn are a shining example of this and I can never understand why football rules punish teams more when they are in a poor situation. 10 points deducted for administration being an example. A bank will always pull the plug on a failing business but should support it before that happens. The FL should adopt that philosophy IMO
Your post smells of buying your way to the prem and not about establishing a proper bedrock for success,
[quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: Looks like common sense will prevail for a change...which is a miracle in football these days. The Championship clubs and the Football League had between them created a `noose` around clubs that showed any ambition or aspiration of promotion. Maybe this will help ease the pressure off the Rovers (and Venkys) and allow us to invest again - albeit more carefully than before.[/p][/quote]Hello French, normally agree with your posts but not this time. How can it be common sense to allow clubs to continue to pile millions of debt year after year? Surely that is how a business fails? And for what, chasing the dream of the PL. Sounds like a junkie looking for a fix. As for a noose around clubs showing ambition or aspiration of promotion. FFP is being introduced to prevent the inevitable. The football league needs to establish order amongst it's 72 or we will see many clubs fold and where will fans watch games then? Yes in an armchair via skyf'insports. If a business wants to take a risk and invest heavily but then fails why should it be bailed out? I think if it affects clubs to the negative in the short term than yes it should be revised and those clubs be supported to balance their books in a much better way. Blackburn are a shining example of this and I can never understand why football rules punish teams more when they are in a poor situation. 10 points deducted for administration being an example. A bank will always pull the plug on a failing business but should support it before that happens. The FL should adopt that philosophy IMO Your post smells of buying your way to the prem and not about establishing a proper bedrock for success, McClaret
  • Score: 9

6:22pm Fri 14 Mar 14

mammamiauk says...

adcr wrote:
mammamiauk wrote:
adcr wrote:
I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol
Don't speak too soon. Those Burnley trolls will be back before you know it, the best way is not to respond to them as they absolutely love annoying us Rovers fans and nothing pleases these trolls more than us responding to their comments/postings. They also have nothing better to do than be obsessed with the Rovers as they know that their club will never achieve what Rovers have achieved.
I know just couldn't resist giving a little bit of stick back. Fingers crossed the embargo will be stopped, and that the venky's will put a few million aside to strengthen over the summer. Long shot I know.
Someone was telling me that a date Rovers fans should be keeping a note of is 25th March as it is apparently 'Administration Day'. How true this is, I do not know but Rovers fans will find out if our beloved club will go into administration and if this happens, the points will be deducted next season. On a positive note, the debts will be settled by the owners and to be fair to them, they have given GB the funds to buy Cairney and Gestede who have proven to be invaluable since their loan signings.
[quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mammamiauk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol[/p][/quote]Don't speak too soon. Those Burnley trolls will be back before you know it, the best way is not to respond to them as they absolutely love annoying us Rovers fans and nothing pleases these trolls more than us responding to their comments/postings. They also have nothing better to do than be obsessed with the Rovers as they know that their club will never achieve what Rovers have achieved.[/p][/quote]I know just couldn't resist giving a little bit of stick back. Fingers crossed the embargo will be stopped, and that the venky's will put a few million aside to strengthen over the summer. Long shot I know.[/p][/quote]Someone was telling me that a date Rovers fans should be keeping a note of is 25th March as it is apparently 'Administration Day'. How true this is, I do not know but Rovers fans will find out if our beloved club will go into administration and if this happens, the points will be deducted next season. On a positive note, the debts will be settled by the owners and to be fair to them, they have given GB the funds to buy Cairney and Gestede who have proven to be invaluable since their loan signings. mammamiauk
  • Score: 2

6:24pm Fri 14 Mar 14

adcr says...

DoggydogNo1 wrote:
adcr wrote:
DoggydogNo1 wrote:
Will make no difference to rovers as the will always post loses and never return to the prem! Fans of theirs want their cake now and if they dont get it, they spit there dummies out and cry foul! Hope it comes into effect as the clubs at the time all agreed to it! Not there fault your team was relegated so put up and shut up, Cry babies!
We didn't agree to it. we were mugged by the likes of you lot, who no doubt agreed to it knowing that with us having the Venky's we'd get relegated sooner or later. It's you lot who are bitter. Well we aren't putting up with your bullying pack mentality.
Tough! If you were that good, you would still be in the prem, wont you? Why are we bitter? Its only the clubs who have dome nothing about costs that are moaning! Better to impose a 20 point deduction then at start of season to make it fair? I agree, it should apply to all leagues but it dont, so live with it. Time to pay for all that spending without thinking of the costs. When venkies took over, my goodness, you lot were cockahoop over it, Now,its a different matter aint it? Any club that means more then its means should be ashamed of itself along with the fans as without them, a team cannot moan about it.
Why am I bitter??? Well I'll start by saying we have had new owners come in and destroy a solid Premiership side, and run the club into the ground. The money we have lost has not been blown on extravagantly on players; it has been blown on dodgy deals and agent fees (and not by trying to buy success). And yet you lot call it living beyond your means. Heavens above, where have you been for the last few years? Oh, yes you've been plotting in a deviant way "let's hit them with embargo's and fines", as if we haven't suffered enough. If anybody is bitter it’s you lot. What goes around comes around.
[quote][p][bold]DoggydogNo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DoggydogNo1[/bold] wrote: Will make no difference to rovers as the will always post loses and never return to the prem! Fans of theirs want their cake now and if they dont get it, they spit there dummies out and cry foul! Hope it comes into effect as the clubs at the time all agreed to it! Not there fault your team was relegated so put up and shut up, Cry babies![/p][/quote]We didn't agree to it. we were mugged by the likes of you lot, who no doubt agreed to it knowing that with us having the Venky's we'd get relegated sooner or later. It's you lot who are bitter. Well we aren't putting up with your bullying pack mentality.[/p][/quote]Tough! If you were that good, you would still be in the prem, wont you? Why are we bitter? Its only the clubs who have dome nothing about costs that are moaning! Better to impose a 20 point deduction then at start of season to make it fair? I agree, it should apply to all leagues but it dont, so live with it. Time to pay for all that spending without thinking of the costs. When venkies took over, my goodness, you lot were cockahoop over it, Now,its a different matter aint it? Any club that means more then its means should be ashamed of itself along with the fans as without them, a team cannot moan about it.[/p][/quote]Why am I bitter??? Well I'll start by saying we have had new owners come in and destroy a solid Premiership side, and run the club into the ground. The money we have lost has not been blown on extravagantly on players; it has been blown on dodgy deals and agent fees (and not by trying to buy success). And yet you lot call it living beyond your means. Heavens above, where have you been for the last few years? Oh, yes you've been plotting in a deviant way "let's hit them with embargo's and fines", as if we haven't suffered enough. If anybody is bitter it’s you lot. What goes around comes around. adcr
  • Score: 1

6:29pm Fri 14 Mar 14

adcr says...

mammamiauk wrote:
adcr wrote:
mammamiauk wrote:
adcr wrote:
I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol
Don't speak too soon. Those Burnley trolls will be back before you know it, the best way is not to respond to them as they absolutely love annoying us Rovers fans and nothing pleases these trolls more than us responding to their comments/postings. They also have nothing better to do than be obsessed with the Rovers as they know that their club will never achieve what Rovers have achieved.
I know just couldn't resist giving a little bit of stick back. Fingers crossed the embargo will be stopped, and that the venky's will put a few million aside to strengthen over the summer. Long shot I know.
Someone was telling me that a date Rovers fans should be keeping a note of is 25th March as it is apparently 'Administration Day'. How true this is, I do not know but Rovers fans will find out if our beloved club will go into administration and if this happens, the points will be deducted next season. On a positive note, the debts will be settled by the owners and to be fair to them, they have given GB the funds to buy Cairney and Gestede who have proven to be invaluable since their loan signings.
I think if things were that bad we would have sold Rhodes and Cairney in January. If we went into administration and then tried to sell players we would get offered peanuts for them. And don't forget we must have spent more than £2m on players this year. Not many other Championship clubs can match that.
[quote][p][bold]mammamiauk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mammamiauk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol[/p][/quote]Don't speak too soon. Those Burnley trolls will be back before you know it, the best way is not to respond to them as they absolutely love annoying us Rovers fans and nothing pleases these trolls more than us responding to their comments/postings. They also have nothing better to do than be obsessed with the Rovers as they know that their club will never achieve what Rovers have achieved.[/p][/quote]I know just couldn't resist giving a little bit of stick back. Fingers crossed the embargo will be stopped, and that the venky's will put a few million aside to strengthen over the summer. Long shot I know.[/p][/quote]Someone was telling me that a date Rovers fans should be keeping a note of is 25th March as it is apparently 'Administration Day'. How true this is, I do not know but Rovers fans will find out if our beloved club will go into administration and if this happens, the points will be deducted next season. On a positive note, the debts will be settled by the owners and to be fair to them, they have given GB the funds to buy Cairney and Gestede who have proven to be invaluable since their loan signings.[/p][/quote]I think if things were that bad we would have sold Rhodes and Cairney in January. If we went into administration and then tried to sell players we would get offered peanuts for them. And don't forget we must have spent more than £2m on players this year. Not many other Championship clubs can match that. adcr
  • Score: 2

6:31pm Fri 14 Mar 14

owd nick says...

Monte wrote:
I agree it does need looking at, however there has to be some form of penalty for the teams that have plainly just not adhered to the laws. Transfer embargo does seem steep, point deduction? and/or fines (distributed to poorer clubs) would be a fairer way.

The idea is to create a more level playing field.

Burnley managed this even with the $hitty financial situation we were previously in. Now we are looking without the millions :)

I really dont wish other clubs to dissolve. Blackburn or otherwise!
We didn't agree to it, I suspect there are around 10 to 12 clubs currently in the Championship who didn't agree to it, so why should we be penalised?

BTW, the fines that would have been levied were to go to charity.
[quote][p][bold]Monte[/bold] wrote: I agree it does need looking at, however there has to be some form of penalty for the teams that have plainly just not adhered to the laws. Transfer embargo does seem steep, point deduction? and/or fines (distributed to poorer clubs) would be a fairer way. The idea is to create a more level playing field. Burnley managed this even with the $hitty financial situation we were previously in. Now we are looking without the millions :) I really dont wish other clubs to dissolve. Blackburn or otherwise![/p][/quote]We didn't agree to it, I suspect there are around 10 to 12 clubs currently in the Championship who didn't agree to it, so why should we be penalised? BTW, the fines that would have been levied were to go to charity. owd nick
  • Score: 2

6:31pm Fri 14 Mar 14

DoggydogNo1 says...

adcr wrote:
DoggydogNo1 wrote:
adcr wrote:
DoggydogNo1 wrote:
Will make no difference to rovers as the will always post loses and never return to the prem! Fans of theirs want their cake now and if they dont get it, they spit there dummies out and cry foul! Hope it comes into effect as the clubs at the time all agreed to it! Not there fault your team was relegated so put up and shut up, Cry babies!
We didn't agree to it. we were mugged by the likes of you lot, who no doubt agreed to it knowing that with us having the Venky's we'd get relegated sooner or later. It's you lot who are bitter. Well we aren't putting up with your bullying pack mentality.
Tough! If you were that good, you would still be in the prem, wont you? Why are we bitter? Its only the clubs who have dome nothing about costs that are moaning! Better to impose a 20 point deduction then at start of season to make it fair? I agree, it should apply to all leagues but it dont, so live with it. Time to pay for all that spending without thinking of the costs. When venkies took over, my goodness, you lot were cockahoop over it, Now,its a different matter aint it? Any club that means more then its means should be ashamed of itself along with the fans as without them, a team cannot moan about it.
Why am I bitter??? Well I'll start by saying we have had new owners come in and destroy a solid Premiership side, and run the club into the ground. The money we have lost has not been blown on extravagantly on players; it has been blown on dodgy deals and agent fees (and not by trying to buy success). And yet you lot call it living beyond your means. Heavens above, where have you been for the last few years? Oh, yes you've been plotting in a deviant way "let's hit them with embargo's and fines", as if we haven't suffered enough. If anybody is bitter it’s you lot. What goes around comes around.
Hang on a second please, Did i read that post right? "Oh, yes you've been plotting in a deviant way "let's hit them with embargo's and fines", as if we haven't suffered enough."
You guys want a wild card to carry on you mean?
You dont mind as long as it dont apply to you guys?
You guys still believe that you are in the wrong league?
You guys think that the teams in this league owe you?
You believe that the other teams plotted against rovers prior to your demise?

oh dear oh dear
[quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DoggydogNo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DoggydogNo1[/bold] wrote: Will make no difference to rovers as the will always post loses and never return to the prem! Fans of theirs want their cake now and if they dont get it, they spit there dummies out and cry foul! Hope it comes into effect as the clubs at the time all agreed to it! Not there fault your team was relegated so put up and shut up, Cry babies![/p][/quote]We didn't agree to it. we were mugged by the likes of you lot, who no doubt agreed to it knowing that with us having the Venky's we'd get relegated sooner or later. It's you lot who are bitter. Well we aren't putting up with your bullying pack mentality.[/p][/quote]Tough! If you were that good, you would still be in the prem, wont you? Why are we bitter? Its only the clubs who have dome nothing about costs that are moaning! Better to impose a 20 point deduction then at start of season to make it fair? I agree, it should apply to all leagues but it dont, so live with it. Time to pay for all that spending without thinking of the costs. When venkies took over, my goodness, you lot were cockahoop over it, Now,its a different matter aint it? Any club that means more then its means should be ashamed of itself along with the fans as without them, a team cannot moan about it.[/p][/quote]Why am I bitter??? Well I'll start by saying we have had new owners come in and destroy a solid Premiership side, and run the club into the ground. The money we have lost has not been blown on extravagantly on players; it has been blown on dodgy deals and agent fees (and not by trying to buy success). And yet you lot call it living beyond your means. Heavens above, where have you been for the last few years? Oh, yes you've been plotting in a deviant way "let's hit them with embargo's and fines", as if we haven't suffered enough. If anybody is bitter it’s you lot. What goes around comes around.[/p][/quote]Hang on a second please, Did i read that post right? "Oh, yes you've been plotting in a deviant way "let's hit them with embargo's and fines", as if we haven't suffered enough." You guys want a wild card to carry on you mean? You dont mind as long as it dont apply to you guys? You guys still believe that you are in the wrong league? You guys think that the teams in this league owe you? You believe that the other teams plotted against rovers prior to your demise? oh dear oh dear DoggydogNo1
  • Score: 1

6:35pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Super_Clarets says...

Love all the false optimism that the no-dads have to cover themselves with these days. Of course financial fair play will be brought into effect and of course it will be harsh, and rightly so, our game is now teetering on the brink and if drastic measures are not taken to reduce the overspend then at the current rate we will see far more clubs going the way of Portsmouth. FFP is here to PREVENT that and although it will kill clubs like Blackburn Rovers forcing them to adhere to the rules that govern the rest of us and to develop their own talent for once, the game will be in a much healthier position as a result. So suck it up no-dads, this is once again a sham article pushed forward to lift the mood in the rapidly declining, soon to be bottom half, beaten at home by the Clarets, bitter, jealous, angry Blackburn camp. Much like the Rhodes 5 year contract nonsense that was used before the Derby game, and for the same reason the 10 greatest no-dad moments article was removed, it hurts you clowns sooooooo much to see how far you have fallen in every single aspect of the game. In summary just more pathetic self serving codsh!t to make you mugs feel better about your disastrous season.
FFP is on the way whether you like it or not. Clubs have been adjusting and scaling down for two years in preparation yet you jumped up nobodies seem to think you're an exception. Astounding arrogance. You will get what you deserve, no more, no less, but you will learn that your free ride is now over.
Love all the false optimism that the no-dads have to cover themselves with these days. Of course financial fair play will be brought into effect and of course it will be harsh, and rightly so, our game is now teetering on the brink and if drastic measures are not taken to reduce the overspend then at the current rate we will see far more clubs going the way of Portsmouth. FFP is here to PREVENT that and although it will kill clubs like Blackburn Rovers forcing them to adhere to the rules that govern the rest of us and to develop their own talent for once, the game will be in a much healthier position as a result. So suck it up no-dads, this is once again a sham article pushed forward to lift the mood in the rapidly declining, soon to be bottom half, beaten at home by the Clarets, bitter, jealous, angry Blackburn camp. Much like the Rhodes 5 year contract nonsense that was used before the Derby game, and for the same reason the 10 greatest no-dad moments article was removed, it hurts you clowns sooooooo much to see how far you have fallen in every single aspect of the game. In summary just more pathetic self serving codsh!t to make you mugs feel better about your disastrous season. FFP is on the way whether you like it or not. Clubs have been adjusting and scaling down for two years in preparation yet you jumped up nobodies seem to think you're an exception. Astounding arrogance. You will get what you deserve, no more, no less, but you will learn that your free ride is now over. Super_Clarets
  • Score: 1

6:36pm Fri 14 Mar 14

adcr says...

juanbbien wrote:
Do you think this lot are going to spend anymore on players when there main game plan is getting No good loans and freebies hence the position we are in,plus the fact would you trust Bowyers judgment anyway
I don't know I will assess the situation as it happens over the summer. They put their hands in their pockets for the likes of Cairney and Marshall, so I don't know. To be fair to Bowyer his freebie signings were awful, but when he has been given money to spend he has done okay. All I know is it is in Venky's interests to spend this summer if there is no financial penalty - spend £10m now and have a great chance of the Premiership riches.
[quote][p][bold]juanbbien[/bold] wrote: Do you think this lot are going to spend anymore on players when there main game plan is getting No good loans and freebies hence the position we are in,plus the fact would you trust Bowyers judgment anyway[/p][/quote]I don't know I will assess the situation as it happens over the summer. They put their hands in their pockets for the likes of Cairney and Marshall, so I don't know. To be fair to Bowyer his freebie signings were awful, but when he has been given money to spend he has done okay. All I know is it is in Venky's interests to spend this summer if there is no financial penalty - spend £10m now and have a great chance of the Premiership riches. adcr
  • Score: 2

6:47pm Fri 14 Mar 14

adcr says...

DoggydogNo1 wrote:
adcr wrote:
DoggydogNo1 wrote:
adcr wrote:
DoggydogNo1 wrote:
Will make no difference to rovers as the will always post loses and never return to the prem! Fans of theirs want their cake now and if they dont get it, they spit there dummies out and cry foul! Hope it comes into effect as the clubs at the time all agreed to it! Not there fault your team was relegated so put up and shut up, Cry babies!
We didn't agree to it. we were mugged by the likes of you lot, who no doubt agreed to it knowing that with us having the Venky's we'd get relegated sooner or later. It's you lot who are bitter. Well we aren't putting up with your bullying pack mentality.
Tough! If you were that good, you would still be in the prem, wont you? Why are we bitter? Its only the clubs who have dome nothing about costs that are moaning! Better to impose a 20 point deduction then at start of season to make it fair? I agree, it should apply to all leagues but it dont, so live with it. Time to pay for all that spending without thinking of the costs. When venkies took over, my goodness, you lot were cockahoop over it, Now,its a different matter aint it? Any club that means more then its means should be ashamed of itself along with the fans as without them, a team cannot moan about it.
Why am I bitter??? Well I'll start by saying we have had new owners come in and destroy a solid Premiership side, and run the club into the ground. The money we have lost has not been blown on extravagantly on players; it has been blown on dodgy deals and agent fees (and not by trying to buy success). And yet you lot call it living beyond your means. Heavens above, where have you been for the last few years? Oh, yes you've been plotting in a deviant way "let's hit them with embargo's and fines", as if we haven't suffered enough. If anybody is bitter it’s you lot. What goes around comes around.
Hang on a second please, Did i read that post right? "Oh, yes you've been plotting in a deviant way "let's hit them with embargo's and fines", as if we haven't suffered enough."
You guys want a wild card to carry on you mean?
You dont mind as long as it dont apply to you guys?
You guys still believe that you are in the wrong league?
You guys think that the teams in this league owe you?
You believe that the other teams plotted against rovers prior to your demise?

oh dear oh dear
We did not agree to the FFP regulations they were imposed on us. You just want to move the goalposts. The rules are pernicious and aren't about reducing debt, it is about the smaller teams (Burnley etc.) wanting to boost their chances of promotion. And that's all it is……

A better way would be to talk to the teams involved and force them to come up with and demonstrate a plan that reduces their debt gradually over a longer period. And if they don’t stick to the agreed plan then punish them.
[quote][p][bold]DoggydogNo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DoggydogNo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DoggydogNo1[/bold] wrote: Will make no difference to rovers as the will always post loses and never return to the prem! Fans of theirs want their cake now and if they dont get it, they spit there dummies out and cry foul! Hope it comes into effect as the clubs at the time all agreed to it! Not there fault your team was relegated so put up and shut up, Cry babies![/p][/quote]We didn't agree to it. we were mugged by the likes of you lot, who no doubt agreed to it knowing that with us having the Venky's we'd get relegated sooner or later. It's you lot who are bitter. Well we aren't putting up with your bullying pack mentality.[/p][/quote]Tough! If you were that good, you would still be in the prem, wont you? Why are we bitter? Its only the clubs who have dome nothing about costs that are moaning! Better to impose a 20 point deduction then at start of season to make it fair? I agree, it should apply to all leagues but it dont, so live with it. Time to pay for all that spending without thinking of the costs. When venkies took over, my goodness, you lot were cockahoop over it, Now,its a different matter aint it? Any club that means more then its means should be ashamed of itself along with the fans as without them, a team cannot moan about it.[/p][/quote]Why am I bitter??? Well I'll start by saying we have had new owners come in and destroy a solid Premiership side, and run the club into the ground. The money we have lost has not been blown on extravagantly on players; it has been blown on dodgy deals and agent fees (and not by trying to buy success). And yet you lot call it living beyond your means. Heavens above, where have you been for the last few years? Oh, yes you've been plotting in a deviant way "let's hit them with embargo's and fines", as if we haven't suffered enough. If anybody is bitter it’s you lot. What goes around comes around.[/p][/quote]Hang on a second please, Did i read that post right? "Oh, yes you've been plotting in a deviant way "let's hit them with embargo's and fines", as if we haven't suffered enough." You guys want a wild card to carry on you mean? You dont mind as long as it dont apply to you guys? You guys still believe that you are in the wrong league? You guys think that the teams in this league owe you? You believe that the other teams plotted against rovers prior to your demise? oh dear oh dear[/p][/quote]We did not agree to the FFP regulations they were imposed on us. You just want to move the goalposts. The rules are pernicious and aren't about reducing debt, it is about the smaller teams (Burnley etc.) wanting to boost their chances of promotion. And that's all it is…… A better way would be to talk to the teams involved and force them to come up with and demonstrate a plan that reduces their debt gradually over a longer period. And if they don’t stick to the agreed plan then punish them. adcr
  • Score: 0

6:52pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Steven Seagull says...

adcr wrote:
Phew!!! It will be a massive boost for next season if there will be no transfer embargo. Good news for a change.
Yer mum......sorry, the fat lady isn't singing just yet!
[quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: Phew!!! It will be a massive boost for next season if there will be no transfer embargo. Good news for a change.[/p][/quote]Yer mum......sorry, the fat lady isn't singing just yet! Steven Seagull
  • Score: 1

6:56pm Fri 14 Mar 14

adcr says...

Steven Seagull wrote:
adcr wrote:
Phew!!! It will be a massive boost for next season if there will be no transfer embargo. Good news for a change.
Yer mum......sorry, the fat lady isn't singing just yet!
Yes, but there is a very strong likelyhood that they will be watered down, otherwise why bother talking. And the fat lady on her own sings louder than your lot put together.
[quote][p][bold]Steven Seagull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: Phew!!! It will be a massive boost for next season if there will be no transfer embargo. Good news for a change.[/p][/quote]Yer mum......sorry, the fat lady isn't singing just yet![/p][/quote]Yes, but there is a very strong likelyhood that they will be watered down, otherwise why bother talking. And the fat lady on her own sings louder than your lot put together. adcr
  • Score: 1

7:11pm Fri 14 Mar 14

adcr says...

McClaret wrote:
French Rover wrote:
Looks like common sense will prevail for a change...which is a miracle in football these days.

The Championship clubs and the Football League had between them created a `noose` around clubs that showed any ambition or aspiration of promotion. Maybe this will help ease the pressure off the Rovers (and Venkys) and allow us to invest again - albeit more carefully than before.
Hello French, normally agree with your posts but not this time.
How can it be common sense to allow clubs to continue to pile millions of debt year after year? Surely that is how a business fails? And for what, chasing the dream of the PL. Sounds like a junkie looking for a fix.
As for a noose around clubs showing ambition or aspiration of promotion.
FFP is being introduced to prevent the inevitable. The football league needs to establish order amongst it's 72 or we will see many clubs fold and where will fans watch games then? Yes in an armchair via skyf'insports. If a business wants to take a risk and invest heavily but then fails why should it be bailed out?
I think if it affects clubs to the negative in the short term than yes it should be revised and those clubs be supported to balance their books in a much better way. Blackburn are a shining example of this and I can never understand why football rules punish teams more when they are in a poor situation. 10 points deducted for administration being an example. A bank will always pull the plug on a failing business but should support it before that happens. The FL should adopt that philosophy IMO
Your post smells of buying your way to the prem and not about establishing a proper bedrock for success,
Sensible post. Any punishment needs to be fair, and clubs need far more time to address this situation in a controlled manner. The only way we could have avoided the FFP would be to sell most of our first team squad immediately. If we did that we would end up like Portsmouth. And not just us, many other teams would go the same way.
[quote][p][bold]McClaret[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: Looks like common sense will prevail for a change...which is a miracle in football these days. The Championship clubs and the Football League had between them created a `noose` around clubs that showed any ambition or aspiration of promotion. Maybe this will help ease the pressure off the Rovers (and Venkys) and allow us to invest again - albeit more carefully than before.[/p][/quote]Hello French, normally agree with your posts but not this time. How can it be common sense to allow clubs to continue to pile millions of debt year after year? Surely that is how a business fails? And for what, chasing the dream of the PL. Sounds like a junkie looking for a fix. As for a noose around clubs showing ambition or aspiration of promotion. FFP is being introduced to prevent the inevitable. The football league needs to establish order amongst it's 72 or we will see many clubs fold and where will fans watch games then? Yes in an armchair via skyf'insports. If a business wants to take a risk and invest heavily but then fails why should it be bailed out? I think if it affects clubs to the negative in the short term than yes it should be revised and those clubs be supported to balance their books in a much better way. Blackburn are a shining example of this and I can never understand why football rules punish teams more when they are in a poor situation. 10 points deducted for administration being an example. A bank will always pull the plug on a failing business but should support it before that happens. The FL should adopt that philosophy IMO Your post smells of buying your way to the prem and not about establishing a proper bedrock for success,[/p][/quote]Sensible post. Any punishment needs to be fair, and clubs need far more time to address this situation in a controlled manner. The only way we could have avoided the FFP would be to sell most of our first team squad immediately. If we did that we would end up like Portsmouth. And not just us, many other teams would go the same way. adcr
  • Score: 1

7:11pm Fri 14 Mar 14

owd nick says...

McClaret wrote:
French Rover wrote:
Looks like common sense will prevail for a change...which is a miracle in football these days.

The Championship clubs and the Football League had between them created a `noose` around clubs that showed any ambition or aspiration of promotion. Maybe this will help ease the pressure off the Rovers (and Venkys) and allow us to invest again - albeit more carefully than before.
Hello French, normally agree with your posts but not this time.
How can it be common sense to allow clubs to continue to pile millions of debt year after year? Surely that is how a business fails? And for what, chasing the dream of the PL. Sounds like a junkie looking for a fix.
As for a noose around clubs showing ambition or aspiration of promotion.
FFP is being introduced to prevent the inevitable. The football league needs to establish order amongst it's 72 or we will see many clubs fold and where will fans watch games then? Yes in an armchair via skyf'insports. If a business wants to take a risk and invest heavily but then fails why should it be bailed out?
I think if it affects clubs to the negative in the short term than yes it should be revised and those clubs be supported to balance their books in a much better way. Blackburn are a shining example of this and I can never understand why football rules punish teams more when they are in a poor situation. 10 points deducted for administration being an example. A bank will always pull the plug on a failing business but should support it before that happens. The FL should adopt that philosophy IMO
Your post smells of buying your way to the prem and not about establishing a proper bedrock for success,
Don't agree, why should any club be penalised for trying to be successful? If Burnley were in the same financial position as say Rovers, QPR, Derby, Forest, Leicester, Leeds and in reality 90%+ of clubs would you want them to be penalised?

I think not.

You will find this out if you get promoted to the PL next season, how can little Burnley compete financially on an equal (fair) footing with Man Utd, who are about to sign a £600 million shirt sponsorship deal?

That is 6 times more money than you will get for finishing last in the PL next season, think about it,

It's totally, absolutely impossible.

I have been saying all along the FFP was not fair, the only way for it to be fair would be for every club from the bottom of the 2nd division right to the team at the top of the PL to be limited to the same budget, as happens in franchised leagues in many other sports.

Clearly that isn't going to happen because we don't have a franchised structure, we have leagues that currently allow promotion and relegation and every club within that structure is allowed to dream, thank gawd.

I agree that clubs should "live within their means" but if a club is owned by owners are willing to put money in when it is required surely that is part of living within their means?

Very few owners buy football clubs for altruistic reasons as Jack Walker did, it's either as a personal plaything (Chelsea) or and advertising vehicle (Man City) Billionaires are not stupid people despite evidence to the contrary in some cases, if they buy something there is a pretty good (financial) reason for it.
[quote][p][bold]McClaret[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: Looks like common sense will prevail for a change...which is a miracle in football these days. The Championship clubs and the Football League had between them created a `noose` around clubs that showed any ambition or aspiration of promotion. Maybe this will help ease the pressure off the Rovers (and Venkys) and allow us to invest again - albeit more carefully than before.[/p][/quote]Hello French, normally agree with your posts but not this time. How can it be common sense to allow clubs to continue to pile millions of debt year after year? Surely that is how a business fails? And for what, chasing the dream of the PL. Sounds like a junkie looking for a fix. As for a noose around clubs showing ambition or aspiration of promotion. FFP is being introduced to prevent the inevitable. The football league needs to establish order amongst it's 72 or we will see many clubs fold and where will fans watch games then? Yes in an armchair via skyf'insports. If a business wants to take a risk and invest heavily but then fails why should it be bailed out? I think if it affects clubs to the negative in the short term than yes it should be revised and those clubs be supported to balance their books in a much better way. Blackburn are a shining example of this and I can never understand why football rules punish teams more when they are in a poor situation. 10 points deducted for administration being an example. A bank will always pull the plug on a failing business but should support it before that happens. The FL should adopt that philosophy IMO Your post smells of buying your way to the prem and not about establishing a proper bedrock for success,[/p][/quote]Don't agree, why should any club be penalised for trying to be successful? If Burnley were in the same financial position as say Rovers, QPR, Derby, Forest, Leicester, Leeds and in reality 90%+ of clubs would you want them to be penalised? I think not. You will find this out if you get promoted to the PL next season, how can little Burnley compete financially on an equal (fair) footing with Man Utd, who are about to sign a £600 million shirt sponsorship deal? That is 6 times more money than you will get for finishing last in the PL next season, think about it, It's totally, absolutely impossible. I have been saying all along the FFP was not fair, the only way for it to be fair would be for every club from the bottom of the 2nd division right to the team at the top of the PL to be limited to the same budget, as happens in franchised leagues in many other sports. Clearly that isn't going to happen because we don't have a franchised structure, we have leagues that currently allow promotion and relegation and every club within that structure is allowed to dream, thank gawd. I agree that clubs should "live within their means" but if a club is owned by owners are willing to put money in when it is required surely that is part of living within their means? Very few owners buy football clubs for altruistic reasons as Jack Walker did, it's either as a personal plaything (Chelsea) or and advertising vehicle (Man City) Billionaires are not stupid people despite evidence to the contrary in some cases, if they buy something there is a pretty good (financial) reason for it. owd nick
  • Score: 1

7:25pm Fri 14 Mar 14

owd nick says...

mammamiauk wrote:
adcr wrote:
mammamiauk wrote:
adcr wrote:
I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol
Don't speak too soon. Those Burnley trolls will be back before you know it, the best way is not to respond to them as they absolutely love annoying us Rovers fans and nothing pleases these trolls more than us responding to their comments/postings. They also have nothing better to do than be obsessed with the Rovers as they know that their club will never achieve what Rovers have achieved.
I know just couldn't resist giving a little bit of stick back. Fingers crossed the embargo will be stopped, and that the venky's will put a few million aside to strengthen over the summer. Long shot I know.
Someone was telling me that a date Rovers fans should be keeping a note of is 25th March as it is apparently 'Administration Day'. How true this is, I do not know but Rovers fans will find out if our beloved club will go into administration and if this happens, the points will be deducted next season. On a positive note, the debts will be settled by the owners and to be fair to them, they have given GB the funds to buy Cairney and Gestede who have proven to be invaluable since their loan signings.
They don't need to go into administration, the bulk of the "debt" is owed to Venky's so it wouldn't make sense because if Rovers went into administration Venky's would never get that money back.

The repayment term of the loan (debt) is also open ended, there is not a set date as to when it needs to be repaid and there are no interest charges to be incurred.

That was published in the LT last year.

Simple question, "If I owe myself £5 is that a debt?".
[quote][p][bold]mammamiauk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mammamiauk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol[/p][/quote]Don't speak too soon. Those Burnley trolls will be back before you know it, the best way is not to respond to them as they absolutely love annoying us Rovers fans and nothing pleases these trolls more than us responding to their comments/postings. They also have nothing better to do than be obsessed with the Rovers as they know that their club will never achieve what Rovers have achieved.[/p][/quote]I know just couldn't resist giving a little bit of stick back. Fingers crossed the embargo will be stopped, and that the venky's will put a few million aside to strengthen over the summer. Long shot I know.[/p][/quote]Someone was telling me that a date Rovers fans should be keeping a note of is 25th March as it is apparently 'Administration Day'. How true this is, I do not know but Rovers fans will find out if our beloved club will go into administration and if this happens, the points will be deducted next season. On a positive note, the debts will be settled by the owners and to be fair to them, they have given GB the funds to buy Cairney and Gestede who have proven to be invaluable since their loan signings.[/p][/quote]They don't need to go into administration, the bulk of the "debt" is owed to Venky's so it wouldn't make sense because if Rovers went into administration Venky's would never get that money back. The repayment term of the loan (debt) is also open ended, there is not a set date as to when it needs to be repaid and there are no interest charges to be incurred. That was published in the LT last year. Simple question, "If I owe myself £5 is that a debt?". owd nick
  • Score: 3

7:28pm Fri 14 Mar 14

fairplayfan says...

"We did not agree to the FFP regulations they were imposed on us. You just want to move the goalposts. The rules are pernicious and aren't about reducing debt, it is about the smaller teams (Burnley etc.) wanting to boost their chances of promotion. And that's all it is……

A better way would be to talk to the teams involved and force them to come up with and demonstrate a plan that reduces their debt gradually over a longer period. And if they don’t stick to the agreed plan then punish them."

acdr, the implementation of FFP came about because of a democratic vote of Chairmen of clubs who are/were in the Football League. These regulations were not unknown to clubs who may be relegated from the PL, therefore, they were not imposed on you until you got relegated. You are now in your second year in the Championship so you have had time to make adjustments, however, it appears that Rovers, along with a few other clubs, just want to ignore the regulations. I suggest it is not the clubs who are going along with the regulations that are doing the bullying, it is those few clubs with foreign/wealthy owners that are trying to bully the League into changing the regulations for their own benefit.
"We did not agree to the FFP regulations they were imposed on us. You just want to move the goalposts. The rules are pernicious and aren't about reducing debt, it is about the smaller teams (Burnley etc.) wanting to boost their chances of promotion. And that's all it is…… A better way would be to talk to the teams involved and force them to come up with and demonstrate a plan that reduces their debt gradually over a longer period. And if they don’t stick to the agreed plan then punish them." acdr, the implementation of FFP came about because of a democratic vote of Chairmen of clubs who are/were in the Football League. These regulations were not unknown to clubs who may be relegated from the PL, therefore, they were not imposed on you until you got relegated. You are now in your second year in the Championship so you have had time to make adjustments, however, it appears that Rovers, along with a few other clubs, just want to ignore the regulations. I suggest it is not the clubs who are going along with the regulations that are doing the bullying, it is those few clubs with foreign/wealthy owners that are trying to bully the League into changing the regulations for their own benefit. fairplayfan
  • Score: -2

7:42pm Fri 14 Mar 14

owd nick says...

fairplayfan wrote:
"We did not agree to the FFP regulations they were imposed on us. You just want to move the goalposts. The rules are pernicious and aren't about reducing debt, it is about the smaller teams (Burnley etc.) wanting to boost their chances of promotion. And that's all it is……

A better way would be to talk to the teams involved and force them to come up with and demonstrate a plan that reduces their debt gradually over a longer period. And if they don’t stick to the agreed plan then punish them."

acdr, the implementation of FFP came about because of a democratic vote of Chairmen of clubs who are/were in the Football League. These regulations were not unknown to clubs who may be relegated from the PL, therefore, they were not imposed on you until you got relegated. You are now in your second year in the Championship so you have had time to make adjustments, however, it appears that Rovers, along with a few other clubs, just want to ignore the regulations. I suggest it is not the clubs who are going along with the regulations that are doing the bullying, it is those few clubs with foreign/wealthy owners that are trying to bully the League into changing the regulations for their own benefit.
Same question to you, "If Burnley were in the same position as Rovers would you want them to be penalised?".

Next question, "If a billionaire comes along next season and offers to buy Burnley and invest, say £500 million what would you think of FFP rules then?"

Because he wouldn't be able to.
[quote][p][bold]fairplayfan[/bold] wrote: "We did not agree to the FFP regulations they were imposed on us. You just want to move the goalposts. The rules are pernicious and aren't about reducing debt, it is about the smaller teams (Burnley etc.) wanting to boost their chances of promotion. And that's all it is…… A better way would be to talk to the teams involved and force them to come up with and demonstrate a plan that reduces their debt gradually over a longer period. And if they don’t stick to the agreed plan then punish them." acdr, the implementation of FFP came about because of a democratic vote of Chairmen of clubs who are/were in the Football League. These regulations were not unknown to clubs who may be relegated from the PL, therefore, they were not imposed on you until you got relegated. You are now in your second year in the Championship so you have had time to make adjustments, however, it appears that Rovers, along with a few other clubs, just want to ignore the regulations. I suggest it is not the clubs who are going along with the regulations that are doing the bullying, it is those few clubs with foreign/wealthy owners that are trying to bully the League into changing the regulations for their own benefit.[/p][/quote]Same question to you, "If Burnley were in the same position as Rovers would you want them to be penalised?". Next question, "If a billionaire comes along next season and offers to buy Burnley and invest, say £500 million what would you think of FFP rules then?" Because he wouldn't be able to. owd nick
  • Score: -1

7:46pm Fri 14 Mar 14

fairplayfan says...

owd nick wrote:
fairplayfan wrote:
"We did not agree to the FFP regulations they were imposed on us. You just want to move the goalposts. The rules are pernicious and aren't about reducing debt, it is about the smaller teams (Burnley etc.) wanting to boost their chances of promotion. And that's all it is……

A better way would be to talk to the teams involved and force them to come up with and demonstrate a plan that reduces their debt gradually over a longer period. And if they don’t stick to the agreed plan then punish them."

acdr, the implementation of FFP came about because of a democratic vote of Chairmen of clubs who are/were in the Football League. These regulations were not unknown to clubs who may be relegated from the PL, therefore, they were not imposed on you until you got relegated. You are now in your second year in the Championship so you have had time to make adjustments, however, it appears that Rovers, along with a few other clubs, just want to ignore the regulations. I suggest it is not the clubs who are going along with the regulations that are doing the bullying, it is those few clubs with foreign/wealthy owners that are trying to bully the League into changing the regulations for their own benefit.
Same question to you, "If Burnley were in the same position as Rovers would you want them to be penalised?".

Next question, "If a billionaire comes along next season and offers to buy Burnley and invest, say £500 million what would you think of FFP rules then?"

Because he wouldn't be able to.
I'm a Hartlepool fan who responded to an accusation of smaller clubs trying to bully their way into the PL. I merely pointed out that it is those clubs who do not wish to conform that are doing the bullying.
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fairplayfan[/bold] wrote: "We did not agree to the FFP regulations they were imposed on us. You just want to move the goalposts. The rules are pernicious and aren't about reducing debt, it is about the smaller teams (Burnley etc.) wanting to boost their chances of promotion. And that's all it is…… A better way would be to talk to the teams involved and force them to come up with and demonstrate a plan that reduces their debt gradually over a longer period. And if they don’t stick to the agreed plan then punish them." acdr, the implementation of FFP came about because of a democratic vote of Chairmen of clubs who are/were in the Football League. These regulations were not unknown to clubs who may be relegated from the PL, therefore, they were not imposed on you until you got relegated. You are now in your second year in the Championship so you have had time to make adjustments, however, it appears that Rovers, along with a few other clubs, just want to ignore the regulations. I suggest it is not the clubs who are going along with the regulations that are doing the bullying, it is those few clubs with foreign/wealthy owners that are trying to bully the League into changing the regulations for their own benefit.[/p][/quote]Same question to you, "If Burnley were in the same position as Rovers would you want them to be penalised?". Next question, "If a billionaire comes along next season and offers to buy Burnley and invest, say £500 million what would you think of FFP rules then?" Because he wouldn't be able to.[/p][/quote]I'm a Hartlepool fan who responded to an accusation of smaller clubs trying to bully their way into the PL. I merely pointed out that it is those clubs who do not wish to conform that are doing the bullying. fairplayfan
  • Score: 3

7:57pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Bfc341 says...

"We did not agree to the FFP regulations they were imposed on us''

You have entered a league. A league with rules. You have to adhere to those rules. You did not have to enter this league when relegated but when you did you agreed to the rules.

Simple really.
"We did not agree to the FFP regulations they were imposed on us'' You have entered a league. A league with rules. You have to adhere to those rules. You did not have to enter this league when relegated but when you did you agreed to the rules. Simple really. Bfc341
  • Score: 3

8:01pm Fri 14 Mar 14

magik_thighs says...

owd nick wrote:
fairplayfan wrote:
"We did not agree to the FFP regulations they were imposed on us. You just want to move the goalposts. The rules are pernicious and aren't about reducing debt, it is about the smaller teams (Burnley etc.) wanting to boost their chances of promotion. And that's all it is……

A better way would be to talk to the teams involved and force them to come up with and demonstrate a plan that reduces their debt gradually over a longer period. And if they don’t stick to the agreed plan then punish them."

acdr, the implementation of FFP came about because of a democratic vote of Chairmen of clubs who are/were in the Football League. These regulations were not unknown to clubs who may be relegated from the PL, therefore, they were not imposed on you until you got relegated. You are now in your second year in the Championship so you have had time to make adjustments, however, it appears that Rovers, along with a few other clubs, just want to ignore the regulations. I suggest it is not the clubs who are going along with the regulations that are doing the bullying, it is those few clubs with foreign/wealthy owners that are trying to bully the League into changing the regulations for their own benefit.
Same question to you, "If Burnley were in the same position as Rovers would you want them to be penalised?".

Next question, "If a billionaire comes along next season and offers to buy Burnley and invest, say £500 million what would you think of FFP rules then?"

Because he wouldn't be able to.
That`s the big difference in our two clubs. We have the pride of knowing that we made the prem all on our own without an ego-tripping sugar-daddy, without buying our way to the top table and without racking up unsustainable debts that will never be paid off. Not only did we do it the "Fit and proper" way....its looking like we could do it a 2nd time!

If you really have to ask stupid questions like that, you really don`t understand!!
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fairplayfan[/bold] wrote: "We did not agree to the FFP regulations they were imposed on us. You just want to move the goalposts. The rules are pernicious and aren't about reducing debt, it is about the smaller teams (Burnley etc.) wanting to boost their chances of promotion. And that's all it is…… A better way would be to talk to the teams involved and force them to come up with and demonstrate a plan that reduces their debt gradually over a longer period. And if they don’t stick to the agreed plan then punish them." acdr, the implementation of FFP came about because of a democratic vote of Chairmen of clubs who are/were in the Football League. These regulations were not unknown to clubs who may be relegated from the PL, therefore, they were not imposed on you until you got relegated. You are now in your second year in the Championship so you have had time to make adjustments, however, it appears that Rovers, along with a few other clubs, just want to ignore the regulations. I suggest it is not the clubs who are going along with the regulations that are doing the bullying, it is those few clubs with foreign/wealthy owners that are trying to bully the League into changing the regulations for their own benefit.[/p][/quote]Same question to you, "If Burnley were in the same position as Rovers would you want them to be penalised?". Next question, "If a billionaire comes along next season and offers to buy Burnley and invest, say £500 million what would you think of FFP rules then?" Because he wouldn't be able to.[/p][/quote]That`s the big difference in our two clubs. We have the pride of knowing that we made the prem all on our own without an ego-tripping sugar-daddy, without buying our way to the top table and without racking up unsustainable debts that will never be paid off. Not only did we do it the "Fit and proper" way....its looking like we could do it a 2nd time! If you really have to ask stupid questions like that, you really don`t understand!! magik_thighs
  • Score: 2

8:09pm Fri 14 Mar 14

FCBurnley says...

Very interesting comments. Some fair and some stupid as usual. Probably inevitable that it would develop into a Burnley v Rovers thing.

Lets look at the facts. Rovers did not agree to the rules, however they knew the rules when they joined The Championship and were therefore bound by them.

Burnley also knew the rules

Rovers have broken the rules ( as they stand)
Burnley have not.

What choices do the FL have ? Only 2......Change the rules or not.

If they decide to leave the rules as they stand then the Leicesters and Rovers of this world will object.

If they change the rules then the FL will in effect be punishing the clubs who have adhered to the rules. So for example a club like Middlesboro will surely take action against the League based on the grounds that without FFP in place they would have invested more money and potentially been promoted.

So in summary, change the rules and face a legal challenge.
Keep the rules and face a legal challenge.

Looks like a lose/lose for the league to me. Do they support the clubs who have broken the rules or the ones who have abided by them.

Surely any changes they make can only be implemented in the future and not retrospectively.
Very interesting comments. Some fair and some stupid as usual. Probably inevitable that it would develop into a Burnley v Rovers thing. Lets look at the facts. Rovers did not agree to the rules, however they knew the rules when they joined The Championship and were therefore bound by them. Burnley also knew the rules Rovers have broken the rules ( as they stand) Burnley have not. What choices do the FL have ? Only 2......Change the rules or not. If they decide to leave the rules as they stand then the Leicesters and Rovers of this world will object. If they change the rules then the FL will in effect be punishing the clubs who have adhered to the rules. So for example a club like Middlesboro will surely take action against the League based on the grounds that without FFP in place they would have invested more money and potentially been promoted. So in summary, change the rules and face a legal challenge. Keep the rules and face a legal challenge. Looks like a lose/lose for the league to me. Do they support the clubs who have broken the rules or the ones who have abided by them. Surely any changes they make can only be implemented in the future and not retrospectively. FCBurnley
  • Score: 8

8:10pm Fri 14 Mar 14

magik_thighs says...

They brought in rules to stop clubs from purposely going into administration to clear the debts they accrue by vastly overspending. They deduct points and rightly so. These new rules are just an expansion of the existing ones to try and rein in the financial cheats. It may be hard to understand for some fair-weather fans but there are lots of real supporters out there who do not want wealthy benefactors coming into our clubs for a quick ego-trip and maybe 10-20 years at the top table, and then......oblivion!!

Rovers have had their day in the sun, its a great pity your grand-kids won`t be able to say the same.
They brought in rules to stop clubs from purposely going into administration to clear the debts they accrue by vastly overspending. They deduct points and rightly so. These new rules are just an expansion of the existing ones to try and rein in the financial cheats. It may be hard to understand for some fair-weather fans but there are lots of real supporters out there who do not want wealthy benefactors coming into our clubs for a quick ego-trip and maybe 10-20 years at the top table, and then......oblivion!! Rovers have had their day in the sun, its a great pity your grand-kids won`t be able to say the same. magik_thighs
  • Score: 2

8:14pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Tatts says...

Super_Clarets wrote:
Love all the false optimism that the no-dads have to cover themselves with these days. Of course financial fair play will be brought into effect and of course it will be harsh, and rightly so, our game is now teetering on the brink and if drastic measures are not taken to reduce the overspend then at the current rate we will see far more clubs going the way of Portsmouth. FFP is here to PREVENT that and although it will kill clubs like Blackburn Rovers forcing them to adhere to the rules that govern the rest of us and to develop their own talent for once, the game will be in a much healthier position as a result. So suck it up no-dads, this is once again a sham article pushed forward to lift the mood in the rapidly declining, soon to be bottom half, beaten at home by the Clarets, bitter, jealous, angry Blackburn camp. Much like the Rhodes 5 year contract nonsense that was used before the Derby game, and for the same reason the 10 greatest no-dad moments article was removed, it hurts you clowns sooooooo much to see how far you have fallen in every single aspect of the game. In summary just more pathetic self serving codsh!t to make you mugs feel better about your disastrous season.
FFP is on the way whether you like it or not. Clubs have been adjusting and scaling down for two years in preparation yet you jumped up nobodies seem to think you're an exception. Astounding arrogance. You will get what you deserve, no more, no less, but you will learn that your free ride is now over.
There there, no need to cry about it.
[quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: Love all the false optimism that the no-dads have to cover themselves with these days. Of course financial fair play will be brought into effect and of course it will be harsh, and rightly so, our game is now teetering on the brink and if drastic measures are not taken to reduce the overspend then at the current rate we will see far more clubs going the way of Portsmouth. FFP is here to PREVENT that and although it will kill clubs like Blackburn Rovers forcing them to adhere to the rules that govern the rest of us and to develop their own talent for once, the game will be in a much healthier position as a result. So suck it up no-dads, this is once again a sham article pushed forward to lift the mood in the rapidly declining, soon to be bottom half, beaten at home by the Clarets, bitter, jealous, angry Blackburn camp. Much like the Rhodes 5 year contract nonsense that was used before the Derby game, and for the same reason the 10 greatest no-dad moments article was removed, it hurts you clowns sooooooo much to see how far you have fallen in every single aspect of the game. In summary just more pathetic self serving codsh!t to make you mugs feel better about your disastrous season. FFP is on the way whether you like it or not. Clubs have been adjusting and scaling down for two years in preparation yet you jumped up nobodies seem to think you're an exception. Astounding arrogance. You will get what you deserve, no more, no less, but you will learn that your free ride is now over.[/p][/quote]There there, no need to cry about it. Tatts
  • Score: 3

8:16pm Fri 14 Mar 14

jim 2012 says...

inishowen claret wrote:
the clarets do all the talking we need on the pitch- keep looking up
you lot have won nothing yet
don't count your chickens before they hatch
[quote][p][bold]inishowen claret[/bold] wrote: the clarets do all the talking we need on the pitch- keep looking up[/p][/quote]you lot have won nothing yet don't count your chickens before they hatch jim 2012
  • Score: -1

8:16pm Fri 14 Mar 14

RobH2O says...

For the record, if an extremely wealthy person offers to pump £500m into Burnley and acceptance or rejection was somehow my call (cripes) Id turn it down. If we ended up in the Conference ten years later, I'd live with it. The fate of football in its entirety rests on ensuring the game lives on what it earns. We condemn all other league clubs to seek to replicate this. Rovers start this. The game is where it is because of that decision by Bill Fox to take that coin way back then, that's led us to the position the game finds itself in today. Something has to change and there will be immediate or near-immediate casualties. Rovers will be one of them. The hard-core 7,000 of the late 1908's at Ewood. don't deserve it. Perhaps the rest may.
For the record, if an extremely wealthy person offers to pump £500m into Burnley and acceptance or rejection was somehow my call (cripes) Id turn it down. If we ended up in the Conference ten years later, I'd live with it. The fate of football in its entirety rests on ensuring the game lives on what it earns. We condemn all other league clubs to seek to replicate this. Rovers start this. The game is where it is because of that decision by Bill Fox to take that coin way back then, that's led us to the position the game finds itself in today. Something has to change and there will be immediate or near-immediate casualties. Rovers will be one of them. The hard-core 7,000 of the late 1908's at Ewood. don't deserve it. Perhaps the rest may. RobH2O
  • Score: 5

8:31pm Fri 14 Mar 14

jim 2012 says...

Tatts wrote:
Super_Clarets wrote:
Love all the false optimism that the no-dads have to cover themselves with these days. Of course financial fair play will be brought into effect and of course it will be harsh, and rightly so, our game is now teetering on the brink and if drastic measures are not taken to reduce the overspend then at the current rate we will see far more clubs going the way of Portsmouth. FFP is here to PREVENT that and although it will kill clubs like Blackburn Rovers forcing them to adhere to the rules that govern the rest of us and to develop their own talent for once, the game will be in a much healthier position as a result. So suck it up no-dads, this is once again a sham article pushed forward to lift the mood in the rapidly declining, soon to be bottom half, beaten at home by the Clarets, bitter, jealous, angry Blackburn camp. Much like the Rhodes 5 year contract nonsense that was used before the Derby game, and for the same reason the 10 greatest no-dad moments article was removed, it hurts you clowns sooooooo much to see how far you have fallen in every single aspect of the game. In summary just more pathetic self serving codsh!t to make you mugs feel better about your disastrous season.
FFP is on the way whether you like it or not. Clubs have been adjusting and scaling down for two years in preparation yet you jumped up nobodies seem to think you're an exception. Astounding arrogance. You will get what you deserve, no more, no less, but you will learn that your free ride is now over.
There there, no need to cry about it.
you know nothing about the financial fair play rules
[quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: Love all the false optimism that the no-dads have to cover themselves with these days. Of course financial fair play will be brought into effect and of course it will be harsh, and rightly so, our game is now teetering on the brink and if drastic measures are not taken to reduce the overspend then at the current rate we will see far more clubs going the way of Portsmouth. FFP is here to PREVENT that and although it will kill clubs like Blackburn Rovers forcing them to adhere to the rules that govern the rest of us and to develop their own talent for once, the game will be in a much healthier position as a result. So suck it up no-dads, this is once again a sham article pushed forward to lift the mood in the rapidly declining, soon to be bottom half, beaten at home by the Clarets, bitter, jealous, angry Blackburn camp. Much like the Rhodes 5 year contract nonsense that was used before the Derby game, and for the same reason the 10 greatest no-dad moments article was removed, it hurts you clowns sooooooo much to see how far you have fallen in every single aspect of the game. In summary just more pathetic self serving codsh!t to make you mugs feel better about your disastrous season. FFP is on the way whether you like it or not. Clubs have been adjusting and scaling down for two years in preparation yet you jumped up nobodies seem to think you're an exception. Astounding arrogance. You will get what you deserve, no more, no less, but you will learn that your free ride is now over.[/p][/quote]There there, no need to cry about it.[/p][/quote]you know nothing about the financial fair play rules jim 2012
  • Score: 0

8:35pm Fri 14 Mar 14

owd nick says...

magik_thighs wrote:
owd nick wrote:
fairplayfan wrote:
"We did not agree to the FFP regulations they were imposed on us. You just want to move the goalposts. The rules are pernicious and aren't about reducing debt, it is about the smaller teams (Burnley etc.) wanting to boost their chances of promotion. And that's all it is……

A better way would be to talk to the teams involved and force them to come up with and demonstrate a plan that reduces their debt gradually over a longer period. And if they don’t stick to the agreed plan then punish them."

acdr, the implementation of FFP came about because of a democratic vote of Chairmen of clubs who are/were in the Football League. These regulations were not unknown to clubs who may be relegated from the PL, therefore, they were not imposed on you until you got relegated. You are now in your second year in the Championship so you have had time to make adjustments, however, it appears that Rovers, along with a few other clubs, just want to ignore the regulations. I suggest it is not the clubs who are going along with the regulations that are doing the bullying, it is those few clubs with foreign/wealthy owners that are trying to bully the League into changing the regulations for their own benefit.
Same question to you, "If Burnley were in the same position as Rovers would you want them to be penalised?".

Next question, "If a billionaire comes along next season and offers to buy Burnley and invest, say £500 million what would you think of FFP rules then?"

Because he wouldn't be able to.
That`s the big difference in our two clubs. We have the pride of knowing that we made the prem all on our own without an ego-tripping sugar-daddy, without buying our way to the top table and without racking up unsustainable debts that will never be paid off. Not only did we do it the "Fit and proper" way....its looking like we could do it a 2nd time!

If you really have to ask stupid questions like that, you really don`t understand!!
Plonker.

In your place if a billionaire came along and offered my club a chance to take on the likes of Man U, Liverpool and the rest but FFP stopped it I would be livid.

The simple fact of life idiots like you fail to comprehend is FFP is designed to make the bigger (richer) clubs bigger and richer while small clubs like Blackburn, Burnley and the rest will gradually fade away because they will never be able to compete on a level financial playing field.

You are so mentally stuck in a little local rivalry between Rovers and Burnley you just aren't thinking it out at all.

I am not just sticking up for Rovers here, I am actually sticking up for every club outside the top 6 or 8 in the Premier League, including Burnley.

Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, the only clubs with potential to join that group are Newcastle and possibly West Ham (if they can get the Olympic Stadium).

These are the clubs who will benefit from FFP, the rest will be lucky to get the crumbs from the top table.
[quote][p][bold]magik_thighs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fairplayfan[/bold] wrote: "We did not agree to the FFP regulations they were imposed on us. You just want to move the goalposts. The rules are pernicious and aren't about reducing debt, it is about the smaller teams (Burnley etc.) wanting to boost their chances of promotion. And that's all it is…… A better way would be to talk to the teams involved and force them to come up with and demonstrate a plan that reduces their debt gradually over a longer period. And if they don’t stick to the agreed plan then punish them." acdr, the implementation of FFP came about because of a democratic vote of Chairmen of clubs who are/were in the Football League. These regulations were not unknown to clubs who may be relegated from the PL, therefore, they were not imposed on you until you got relegated. You are now in your second year in the Championship so you have had time to make adjustments, however, it appears that Rovers, along with a few other clubs, just want to ignore the regulations. I suggest it is not the clubs who are going along with the regulations that are doing the bullying, it is those few clubs with foreign/wealthy owners that are trying to bully the League into changing the regulations for their own benefit.[/p][/quote]Same question to you, "If Burnley were in the same position as Rovers would you want them to be penalised?". Next question, "If a billionaire comes along next season and offers to buy Burnley and invest, say £500 million what would you think of FFP rules then?" Because he wouldn't be able to.[/p][/quote]That`s the big difference in our two clubs. We have the pride of knowing that we made the prem all on our own without an ego-tripping sugar-daddy, without buying our way to the top table and without racking up unsustainable debts that will never be paid off. Not only did we do it the "Fit and proper" way....its looking like we could do it a 2nd time! If you really have to ask stupid questions like that, you really don`t understand!![/p][/quote]Plonker. In your place if a billionaire came along and offered my club a chance to take on the likes of Man U, Liverpool and the rest but FFP stopped it I would be livid. The simple fact of life idiots like you fail to comprehend is FFP is designed to make the bigger (richer) clubs bigger and richer while small clubs like Blackburn, Burnley and the rest will gradually fade away because they will never be able to compete on a level financial playing field. You are so mentally stuck in a little local rivalry between Rovers and Burnley you just aren't thinking it out at all. I am not just sticking up for Rovers here, I am actually sticking up for every club outside the top 6 or 8 in the Premier League, including Burnley. Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, the only clubs with potential to join that group are Newcastle and possibly West Ham (if they can get the Olympic Stadium). These are the clubs who will benefit from FFP, the rest will be lucky to get the crumbs from the top table. owd nick
  • Score: -2

8:43pm Fri 14 Mar 14

CheltRover says...

andy1 wrote:
adcr wrote:
I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol
We have better things to comment about UTC.
Now that is a funny posting. If you don't know what the word irony means, look it up!
[quote][p][bold]andy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol[/p][/quote]We have better things to comment about UTC.[/p][/quote]Now that is a funny posting. If you don't know what the word irony means, look it up! CheltRover
  • Score: 0

8:46pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Super_Clarets says...

mammamiauk wrote:
adcr wrote:
I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol
Don't speak too soon. Those Burnley trolls will be back before you know it, the best way is not to respond to them as they absolutely love annoying us Rovers fans and nothing pleases these trolls more than us responding to their comments/postings. They also have nothing better to do than be obsessed with the Rovers as they know that their club will never achieve what Rovers have achieved.
We beat you at Ewood you mug.

24 points
5 years
Look up!
[quote][p][bold]mammamiauk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol[/p][/quote]Don't speak too soon. Those Burnley trolls will be back before you know it, the best way is not to respond to them as they absolutely love annoying us Rovers fans and nothing pleases these trolls more than us responding to their comments/postings. They also have nothing better to do than be obsessed with the Rovers as they know that their club will never achieve what Rovers have achieved.[/p][/quote]We beat you at Ewood you mug. 24 points 5 years Look up! Super_Clarets
  • Score: 6

8:47pm Fri 14 Mar 14

more bans than ray - brfc lxxv says...

Super_Clarets wrote:
Love all the false optimism that the no-dads have to cover themselves with these days. Of course financial fair play will be brought into effect and of course it will be harsh, and rightly so, our game is now teetering on the brink and if drastic measures are not taken to reduce the overspend then at the current rate we will see far more clubs going the way of Portsmouth. FFP is here to PREVENT that and although it will kill clubs like Blackburn Rovers forcing them to adhere to the rules that govern the rest of us and to develop their own talent for once, the game will be in a much healthier position as a result. So suck it up no-dads, this is once again a sham article pushed forward to lift the mood in the rapidly declining, soon to be bottom half, beaten at home by the Clarets, bitter, jealous, angry Blackburn camp. Much like the Rhodes 5 year contract nonsense that was used before the Derby game, and for the same reason the 10 greatest no-dad moments article was removed, it hurts you clowns sooooooo much to see how far you have fallen in every single aspect of the game. In summary just more pathetic self serving codsh!t to make you mugs feel better about your disastrous season.
FFP is on the way whether you like it or not. Clubs have been adjusting and scaling down for two years in preparation yet you jumped up nobodies seem to think you're an exception. Astounding arrogance. You will get what you deserve, no more, no less, but you will learn that your free ride is now over.
".....forcing them to adhere to the rules that govern the rest of us and to develop their own talent for once"

Ever heard of James Beattie, Shay Given, David Dunn, Damien Duff or Phil Jones?

All products of Blackburn Rovers, all sold in multi million pound deals, all full internationals..... and you think we're jealous and bitter of your club?

You make me hurt with laughter and I'm serious, you do actually make me laugh out loud. I have this disturbing vision of you being a cross between Alan Partridge and David Brent just sat creating account after account whilst throwing darts at a David Dunn poster you crazy Rovers obsessed geek.

Once again you've successfully made yourself look like a complete & utter f*ckwit.

But I like you. You represent the town of Burnley and billions of supporters perfectly - I'm sure they're proud of you.
[quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: Love all the false optimism that the no-dads have to cover themselves with these days. Of course financial fair play will be brought into effect and of course it will be harsh, and rightly so, our game is now teetering on the brink and if drastic measures are not taken to reduce the overspend then at the current rate we will see far more clubs going the way of Portsmouth. FFP is here to PREVENT that and although it will kill clubs like Blackburn Rovers forcing them to adhere to the rules that govern the rest of us and to develop their own talent for once, the game will be in a much healthier position as a result. So suck it up no-dads, this is once again a sham article pushed forward to lift the mood in the rapidly declining, soon to be bottom half, beaten at home by the Clarets, bitter, jealous, angry Blackburn camp. Much like the Rhodes 5 year contract nonsense that was used before the Derby game, and for the same reason the 10 greatest no-dad moments article was removed, it hurts you clowns sooooooo much to see how far you have fallen in every single aspect of the game. In summary just more pathetic self serving codsh!t to make you mugs feel better about your disastrous season. FFP is on the way whether you like it or not. Clubs have been adjusting and scaling down for two years in preparation yet you jumped up nobodies seem to think you're an exception. Astounding arrogance. You will get what you deserve, no more, no less, but you will learn that your free ride is now over.[/p][/quote]".....forcing them to adhere to the rules that govern the rest of us and to develop their own talent for once" Ever heard of James Beattie, Shay Given, David Dunn, Damien Duff or Phil Jones? All products of Blackburn Rovers, all sold in multi million pound deals, all full internationals..... and you think we're jealous and bitter of your club? You make me hurt with laughter and I'm serious, you do actually make me laugh out loud. I have this disturbing vision of you being a cross between Alan Partridge and David Brent just sat creating account after account whilst throwing darts at a David Dunn poster you crazy Rovers obsessed geek. Once again you've successfully made yourself look like a complete & utter f*ckwit. But I like you. You represent the town of Burnley and billions of supporters perfectly - I'm sure they're proud of you. more bans than ray - brfc lxxv
  • Score: 2

8:51pm Fri 14 Mar 14

owd nick says...

RobH2O wrote:
For the record, if an extremely wealthy person offers to pump £500m into Burnley and acceptance or rejection was somehow my call (cripes) Id turn it down. If we ended up in the Conference ten years later, I'd live with it. The fate of football in its entirety rests on ensuring the game lives on what it earns. We condemn all other league clubs to seek to replicate this. Rovers start this. The game is where it is because of that decision by Bill Fox to take that coin way back then, that's led us to the position the game finds itself in today. Something has to change and there will be immediate or near-immediate casualties. Rovers will be one of them. The hard-core 7,000 of the late 1908's at Ewood. don't deserve it. Perhaps the rest may.
So the PL is Bill Fox's fault! lol.

Rob, for a Burnley fan I thought you had more sense than that.

It's not your call, it's FFP calling the shots, if it's implemented you can't do anything, clubs like ours can't compete without outside investment, we don't have the fan-base and no-one with half a braincell will invest in us.

Thankfully we have Venky's for now.
[quote][p][bold]RobH2O[/bold] wrote: For the record, if an extremely wealthy person offers to pump £500m into Burnley and acceptance or rejection was somehow my call (cripes) Id turn it down. If we ended up in the Conference ten years later, I'd live with it. The fate of football in its entirety rests on ensuring the game lives on what it earns. We condemn all other league clubs to seek to replicate this. Rovers start this. The game is where it is because of that decision by Bill Fox to take that coin way back then, that's led us to the position the game finds itself in today. Something has to change and there will be immediate or near-immediate casualties. Rovers will be one of them. The hard-core 7,000 of the late 1908's at Ewood. don't deserve it. Perhaps the rest may.[/p][/quote]So the PL is Bill Fox's fault! lol. Rob, for a Burnley fan I thought you had more sense than that. It's not your call, it's FFP calling the shots, if it's implemented you can't do anything, clubs like ours can't compete without outside investment, we don't have the fan-base and no-one with half a braincell will invest in us. Thankfully we have Venky's for now. owd nick
  • Score: 2

8:53pm Fri 14 Mar 14

more bans than ray - brfc lxxv says...

Super_Clarets wrote:
mammamiauk wrote:
adcr wrote:
I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol
Don't speak too soon. Those Burnley trolls will be back before you know it, the best way is not to respond to them as they absolutely love annoying us Rovers fans and nothing pleases these trolls more than us responding to their comments/postings. They also have nothing better to do than be obsessed with the Rovers as they know that their club will never achieve what Rovers have achieved.
We beat you at Ewood you mug.

24 points
5 years
Look up!
We beat you multiple times at Ewood & Turf

2 Divisions higher for 6 years

35 years unbeaten

The benchmark has been set

Mua ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
[quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mammamiauk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol[/p][/quote]Don't speak too soon. Those Burnley trolls will be back before you know it, the best way is not to respond to them as they absolutely love annoying us Rovers fans and nothing pleases these trolls more than us responding to their comments/postings. They also have nothing better to do than be obsessed with the Rovers as they know that their club will never achieve what Rovers have achieved.[/p][/quote]We beat you at Ewood you mug. 24 points 5 years Look up![/p][/quote]We beat you multiple times at Ewood & Turf 2 Divisions higher for 6 years 35 years unbeaten The benchmark has been set Mua ha ha ha ha ha ha ha more bans than ray - brfc lxxv
  • Score: 3

8:53pm Fri 14 Mar 14

mammamiauk says...

adcr wrote:
mammamiauk wrote:
adcr wrote:
mammamiauk wrote:
adcr wrote:
I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol
Don't speak too soon. Those Burnley trolls will be back before you know it, the best way is not to respond to them as they absolutely love annoying us Rovers fans and nothing pleases these trolls more than us responding to their comments/postings. They also have nothing better to do than be obsessed with the Rovers as they know that their club will never achieve what Rovers have achieved.
I know just couldn't resist giving a little bit of stick back. Fingers crossed the embargo will be stopped, and that the venky's will put a few million aside to strengthen over the summer. Long shot I know.
Someone was telling me that a date Rovers fans should be keeping a note of is 25th March as it is apparently 'Administration Day'. How true this is, I do not know but Rovers fans will find out if our beloved club will go into administration and if this happens, the points will be deducted next season. On a positive note, the debts will be settled by the owners and to be fair to them, they have given GB the funds to buy Cairney and Gestede who have proven to be invaluable since their loan signings.
I think if things were that bad we would have sold Rhodes and Cairney in January. If we went into administration and then tried to sell players we would get offered peanuts for them. And don't forget we must have spent more than £2m on players this year. Not many other Championship clubs can match that.
I have inside information that there have been talks with Rhodes on a new contract and it has been confirmed that whilst he has not signed it, he has assured Rovers fans that he 'will be around for the long haul'.

As for Cairney, I really hope that he makes a return as his presence is very much needed on the pitch. Now Cairney is one player whom I believe that other clubs are watching and he is one that Rovers could lose in the next few years due to his potential!

Back to the debts owed, at least Rovers is not in as much debt as the other Championship clubs - QPR and Bolton Wanderers. And QPR have much higher wages to pay because of their Premier League players!
[quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mammamiauk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mammamiauk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol[/p][/quote]Don't speak too soon. Those Burnley trolls will be back before you know it, the best way is not to respond to them as they absolutely love annoying us Rovers fans and nothing pleases these trolls more than us responding to their comments/postings. They also have nothing better to do than be obsessed with the Rovers as they know that their club will never achieve what Rovers have achieved.[/p][/quote]I know just couldn't resist giving a little bit of stick back. Fingers crossed the embargo will be stopped, and that the venky's will put a few million aside to strengthen over the summer. Long shot I know.[/p][/quote]Someone was telling me that a date Rovers fans should be keeping a note of is 25th March as it is apparently 'Administration Day'. How true this is, I do not know but Rovers fans will find out if our beloved club will go into administration and if this happens, the points will be deducted next season. On a positive note, the debts will be settled by the owners and to be fair to them, they have given GB the funds to buy Cairney and Gestede who have proven to be invaluable since their loan signings.[/p][/quote]I think if things were that bad we would have sold Rhodes and Cairney in January. If we went into administration and then tried to sell players we would get offered peanuts for them. And don't forget we must have spent more than £2m on players this year. Not many other Championship clubs can match that.[/p][/quote]I have inside information that there have been talks with Rhodes on a new contract and it has been confirmed that whilst he has not signed it, he has assured Rovers fans that he 'will be around for the long haul'. As for Cairney, I really hope that he makes a return as his presence is very much needed on the pitch. Now Cairney is one player whom I believe that other clubs are watching and he is one that Rovers could lose in the next few years due to his potential! Back to the debts owed, at least Rovers is not in as much debt as the other Championship clubs - QPR and Bolton Wanderers. And QPR have much higher wages to pay because of their Premier League players! mammamiauk
  • Score: 1

9:06pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Super_Clarets says...

jim 2012 wrote:
Tatts wrote:
Super_Clarets wrote:
Love all the false optimism that the no-dads have to cover themselves with these days. Of course financial fair play will be brought into effect and of course it will be harsh, and rightly so, our game is now teetering on the brink and if drastic measures are not taken to reduce the overspend then at the current rate we will see far more clubs going the way of Portsmouth. FFP is here to PREVENT that and although it will kill clubs like Blackburn Rovers forcing them to adhere to the rules that govern the rest of us and to develop their own talent for once, the game will be in a much healthier position as a result. So suck it up no-dads, this is once again a sham article pushed forward to lift the mood in the rapidly declining, soon to be bottom half, beaten at home by the Clarets, bitter, jealous, angry Blackburn camp. Much like the Rhodes 5 year contract nonsense that was used before the Derby game, and for the same reason the 10 greatest no-dad moments article was removed, it hurts you clowns sooooooo much to see how far you have fallen in every single aspect of the game. In summary just more pathetic self serving codsh!t to make you mugs feel better about your disastrous season.
FFP is on the way whether you like it or not. Clubs have been adjusting and scaling down for two years in preparation yet you jumped up nobodies seem to think you're an exception. Astounding arrogance. You will get what you deserve, no more, no less, but you will learn that your free ride is now over.
There there, no need to cry about it.
you know nothing about the financial fair play rules
I have forgotten more than you'll ever know about most things.

Indeed I do understand the rules and I also look forward to the handing out of punishments in May 2014. Watch this space Mungo because your favourite newspaper will have all the gory details for you to read in easily manageable chunks.

Tick tock tick tock.
[quote][p][bold]jim 2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: Love all the false optimism that the no-dads have to cover themselves with these days. Of course financial fair play will be brought into effect and of course it will be harsh, and rightly so, our game is now teetering on the brink and if drastic measures are not taken to reduce the overspend then at the current rate we will see far more clubs going the way of Portsmouth. FFP is here to PREVENT that and although it will kill clubs like Blackburn Rovers forcing them to adhere to the rules that govern the rest of us and to develop their own talent for once, the game will be in a much healthier position as a result. So suck it up no-dads, this is once again a sham article pushed forward to lift the mood in the rapidly declining, soon to be bottom half, beaten at home by the Clarets, bitter, jealous, angry Blackburn camp. Much like the Rhodes 5 year contract nonsense that was used before the Derby game, and for the same reason the 10 greatest no-dad moments article was removed, it hurts you clowns sooooooo much to see how far you have fallen in every single aspect of the game. In summary just more pathetic self serving codsh!t to make you mugs feel better about your disastrous season. FFP is on the way whether you like it or not. Clubs have been adjusting and scaling down for two years in preparation yet you jumped up nobodies seem to think you're an exception. Astounding arrogance. You will get what you deserve, no more, no less, but you will learn that your free ride is now over.[/p][/quote]There there, no need to cry about it.[/p][/quote]you know nothing about the financial fair play rules[/p][/quote]I have forgotten more than you'll ever know about most things. Indeed I do understand the rules and I also look forward to the handing out of punishments in May 2014. Watch this space Mungo because your favourite newspaper will have all the gory details for you to read in easily manageable chunks. Tick tock tick tock. Super_Clarets
  • Score: 1

9:07pm Fri 14 Mar 14

magik_thighs says...

more bans than ray - brfc lxxv wrote:
Super_Clarets wrote:
Love all the false optimism that the no-dads have to cover themselves with these days. Of course financial fair play will be brought into effect and of course it will be harsh, and rightly so, our game is now teetering on the brink and if drastic measures are not taken to reduce the overspend then at the current rate we will see far more clubs going the way of Portsmouth. FFP is here to PREVENT that and although it will kill clubs like Blackburn Rovers forcing them to adhere to the rules that govern the rest of us and to develop their own talent for once, the game will be in a much healthier position as a result. So suck it up no-dads, this is once again a sham article pushed forward to lift the mood in the rapidly declining, soon to be bottom half, beaten at home by the Clarets, bitter, jealous, angry Blackburn camp. Much like the Rhodes 5 year contract nonsense that was used before the Derby game, and for the same reason the 10 greatest no-dad moments article was removed, it hurts you clowns sooooooo much to see how far you have fallen in every single aspect of the game. In summary just more pathetic self serving codsh!t to make you mugs feel better about your disastrous season.
FFP is on the way whether you like it or not. Clubs have been adjusting and scaling down for two years in preparation yet you jumped up nobodies seem to think you're an exception. Astounding arrogance. You will get what you deserve, no more, no less, but you will learn that your free ride is now over.
".....forcing them to adhere to the rules that govern the rest of us and to develop their own talent for once"

Ever heard of James Beattie, Shay Given, David Dunn, Damien Duff or Phil Jones?

All products of Blackburn Rovers, all sold in multi million pound deals, all full internationals..... and you think we're jealous and bitter of your club?

You make me hurt with laughter and I'm serious, you do actually make me laugh out loud. I have this disturbing vision of you being a cross between Alan Partridge and David Brent just sat creating account after account whilst throwing darts at a David Dunn poster you crazy Rovers obsessed geek.

Once again you've successfully made yourself look like a complete & utter f*ckwit.

But I like you. You represent the town of Burnley and billions of supporters perfectly - I'm sure they're proud of you.
Yes.....but all that was bought and payed for by uncle mad-jack.....you dick!!
That would have never happened without a rich benefactor who had pumped money into a $hitty little club. You just don`t get it do you!!

Every comment you post brings down the IQ of the whole thread.

You have won/achieved nothing at all, its been bought for you!
[quote][p][bold]more bans than ray - brfc lxxv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: Love all the false optimism that the no-dads have to cover themselves with these days. Of course financial fair play will be brought into effect and of course it will be harsh, and rightly so, our game is now teetering on the brink and if drastic measures are not taken to reduce the overspend then at the current rate we will see far more clubs going the way of Portsmouth. FFP is here to PREVENT that and although it will kill clubs like Blackburn Rovers forcing them to adhere to the rules that govern the rest of us and to develop their own talent for once, the game will be in a much healthier position as a result. So suck it up no-dads, this is once again a sham article pushed forward to lift the mood in the rapidly declining, soon to be bottom half, beaten at home by the Clarets, bitter, jealous, angry Blackburn camp. Much like the Rhodes 5 year contract nonsense that was used before the Derby game, and for the same reason the 10 greatest no-dad moments article was removed, it hurts you clowns sooooooo much to see how far you have fallen in every single aspect of the game. In summary just more pathetic self serving codsh!t to make you mugs feel better about your disastrous season. FFP is on the way whether you like it or not. Clubs have been adjusting and scaling down for two years in preparation yet you jumped up nobodies seem to think you're an exception. Astounding arrogance. You will get what you deserve, no more, no less, but you will learn that your free ride is now over.[/p][/quote]".....forcing them to adhere to the rules that govern the rest of us and to develop their own talent for once" Ever heard of James Beattie, Shay Given, David Dunn, Damien Duff or Phil Jones? All products of Blackburn Rovers, all sold in multi million pound deals, all full internationals..... and you think we're jealous and bitter of your club? You make me hurt with laughter and I'm serious, you do actually make me laugh out loud. I have this disturbing vision of you being a cross between Alan Partridge and David Brent just sat creating account after account whilst throwing darts at a David Dunn poster you crazy Rovers obsessed geek. Once again you've successfully made yourself look like a complete & utter f*ckwit. But I like you. You represent the town of Burnley and billions of supporters perfectly - I'm sure they're proud of you.[/p][/quote]Yes.....but all that was bought and payed for by uncle mad-jack.....you dick!! That would have never happened without a rich benefactor who had pumped money into a $hitty little club. You just don`t get it do you!! Every comment you post brings down the IQ of the whole thread. You have won/achieved nothing at all, its been bought for you! magik_thighs
  • Score: 2

9:08pm Fri 14 Mar 14

RobH2O says...

owd nick wrote:
RobH2O wrote:
For the record, if an extremely wealthy person offers to pump £500m into Burnley and acceptance or rejection was somehow my call (cripes) Id turn it down. If we ended up in the Conference ten years later, I'd live with it. The fate of football in its entirety rests on ensuring the game lives on what it earns. We condemn all other league clubs to seek to replicate this. Rovers start this. The game is where it is because of that decision by Bill Fox to take that coin way back then, that's led us to the position the game finds itself in today. Something has to change and there will be immediate or near-immediate casualties. Rovers will be one of them. The hard-core 7,000 of the late 1908's at Ewood. don't deserve it. Perhaps the rest may.
So the PL is Bill Fox's fault! lol.

Rob, for a Burnley fan I thought you had more sense than that.

It's not your call, it's FFP calling the shots, if it's implemented you can't do anything, clubs like ours can't compete without outside investment, we don't have the fan-base and no-one with half a braincell will invest in us.

Thankfully we have Venky's for now.
Owd Nick, clubs like Rovers can compete if you wean yourselves off the teet of external money pumped in, where it is not repayable within the footprint of the clubs trading. The concentration has to be on exceptional resource management and focus on the real minutia - the bits that make up all that a club does. Money ball, whilst derided by some, exploited the weaknesses in other trading models to the advantage of the exploitee.What ever you think, I am genuinely not a senseless goon. I did work on they for KPMG for 2 years. Some people collect stamps. Other gimps go train spotting. My cross to bear is football trade modelling. I am going to get a pint now. Perhaps a life will be hiding under the beer mat!
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RobH2O[/bold] wrote: For the record, if an extremely wealthy person offers to pump £500m into Burnley and acceptance or rejection was somehow my call (cripes) Id turn it down. If we ended up in the Conference ten years later, I'd live with it. The fate of football in its entirety rests on ensuring the game lives on what it earns. We condemn all other league clubs to seek to replicate this. Rovers start this. The game is where it is because of that decision by Bill Fox to take that coin way back then, that's led us to the position the game finds itself in today. Something has to change and there will be immediate or near-immediate casualties. Rovers will be one of them. The hard-core 7,000 of the late 1908's at Ewood. don't deserve it. Perhaps the rest may.[/p][/quote]So the PL is Bill Fox's fault! lol. Rob, for a Burnley fan I thought you had more sense than that. It's not your call, it's FFP calling the shots, if it's implemented you can't do anything, clubs like ours can't compete without outside investment, we don't have the fan-base and no-one with half a braincell will invest in us. Thankfully we have Venky's for now.[/p][/quote]Owd Nick, clubs like Rovers can compete if you wean yourselves off the teet of external money pumped in, where it is not repayable within the footprint of the clubs trading. The concentration has to be on exceptional resource management and focus on the real minutia - the bits that make up all that a club does. Money ball, whilst derided by some, exploited the weaknesses in other trading models to the advantage of the exploitee.What ever you think, I am genuinely not a senseless goon. I did work on they for KPMG for 2 years. Some people collect stamps. Other gimps go train spotting. My cross to bear is football trade modelling. I am going to get a pint now. Perhaps a life will be hiding under the beer mat! RobH2O
  • Score: 3

9:17pm Fri 14 Mar 14

RobH2O says...

more bans than ray - brfc lxxv wrote:
Super_Clarets wrote:
mammamiauk wrote:
adcr wrote:
I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol
Don't speak too soon. Those Burnley trolls will be back before you know it, the best way is not to respond to them as they absolutely love annoying us Rovers fans and nothing pleases these trolls more than us responding to their comments/postings. They also have nothing better to do than be obsessed with the Rovers as they know that their club will never achieve what Rovers have achieved.
We beat you at Ewood you mug.

24 points
5 years
Look up!
We beat you multiple times at Ewood & Turf

2 Divisions higher for 6 years

35 years unbeaten

The benchmark has been set

Mua ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
More Bans, al you talk of is the past. We only have now. We can't effect what happened in the past. We don't low what the future holds. Right now we have the upper on you. For what its worth, for a football fanatic like me, I'd love Rovers to be promoted back to the Prem. I'd love us to be in the Prem. I'd love to play our derby in the Prem. Who Knows? !
[quote][p][bold]more bans than ray - brfc lxxv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mammamiauk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol[/p][/quote]Don't speak too soon. Those Burnley trolls will be back before you know it, the best way is not to respond to them as they absolutely love annoying us Rovers fans and nothing pleases these trolls more than us responding to their comments/postings. They also have nothing better to do than be obsessed with the Rovers as they know that their club will never achieve what Rovers have achieved.[/p][/quote]We beat you at Ewood you mug. 24 points 5 years Look up![/p][/quote]We beat you multiple times at Ewood & Turf 2 Divisions higher for 6 years 35 years unbeaten The benchmark has been set Mua ha ha ha ha ha ha ha[/p][/quote]More Bans, al you talk of is the past. We only have now. We can't effect what happened in the past. We don't low what the future holds. Right now we have the upper on you. For what its worth, for a football fanatic like me, I'd love Rovers to be promoted back to the Prem. I'd love us to be in the Prem. I'd love to play our derby in the Prem. Who Knows? ! RobH2O
  • Score: 0

9:18pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Super_Clarets says...

owd nick wrote:
magik_thighs wrote:
owd nick wrote:
fairplayfan wrote:
"We did not agree to the FFP regulations they were imposed on us. You just want to move the goalposts. The rules are pernicious and aren't about reducing debt, it is about the smaller teams (Burnley etc.) wanting to boost their chances of promotion. And that's all it is……

A better way would be to talk to the teams involved and force them to come up with and demonstrate a plan that reduces their debt gradually over a longer period. And if they don’t stick to the agreed plan then punish them."

acdr, the implementation of FFP came about because of a democratic vote of Chairmen of clubs who are/were in the Football League. These regulations were not unknown to clubs who may be relegated from the PL, therefore, they were not imposed on you until you got relegated. You are now in your second year in the Championship so you have had time to make adjustments, however, it appears that Rovers, along with a few other clubs, just want to ignore the regulations. I suggest it is not the clubs who are going along with the regulations that are doing the bullying, it is those few clubs with foreign/wealthy owners that are trying to bully the League into changing the regulations for their own benefit.
Same question to you, "If Burnley were in the same position as Rovers would you want them to be penalised?".

Next question, "If a billionaire comes along next season and offers to buy Burnley and invest, say £500 million what would you think of FFP rules then?"

Because he wouldn't be able to.
That`s the big difference in our two clubs. We have the pride of knowing that we made the prem all on our own without an ego-tripping sugar-daddy, without buying our way to the top table and without racking up unsustainable debts that will never be paid off. Not only did we do it the "Fit and proper" way....its looking like we could do it a 2nd time!

If you really have to ask stupid questions like that, you really don`t understand!!
Plonker.

In your place if a billionaire came along and offered my club a chance to take on the likes of Man U, Liverpool and the rest but FFP stopped it I would be livid.

The simple fact of life idiots like you fail to comprehend is FFP is designed to make the bigger (richer) clubs bigger and richer while small clubs like Blackburn, Burnley and the rest will gradually fade away because they will never be able to compete on a level financial playing field.

You are so mentally stuck in a little local rivalry between Rovers and Burnley you just aren't thinking it out at all.

I am not just sticking up for Rovers here, I am actually sticking up for every club outside the top 6 or 8 in the Premier League, including Burnley.

Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, the only clubs with potential to join that group are Newcastle and possibly West Ham (if they can get the Olympic Stadium).

These are the clubs who will benefit from FFP, the rest will be lucky to get the crumbs from the top table.
"The simple fact of life idiots like you fail to comprehend is FFP is designed to make the bigger (richer) clubs bigger and richer while small clubs like Blackburn, Burnley and the rest will gradually fade away because they will never be able to compete on a level financial playing field."

What absolute rubbish....


"The UEFA Financial Fair Play Regulations, first agreed in principle in September 2009 by the Financial Control Panel of football’s governing body in Europe - UEFA, were brought in to prevent professional football clubs spending more than they earn in the pursuit of success and in doing so getting into financial problems which might threaten their long term survival." (hang on a minute... that sounds like someone we know...)

"Introduced amid concern at the heavy spending of a number of professional clubs across Europe, the regulations will eventually lead to a more ‘level playing field’ by preventing clubs with very wealthy owners who make substantial cash gifts to their club from gaining an unfair advantage over other clubs who are run on a more sustainable business model, and in so doing encourage lower levels of spending. (all sounds like common sense so far....)

"The financial fair play regulations provide for sanctions to be taken against clubs who do not spend within a set budgetary framework over several seasons." (and here we have your upcoming transfer embargo)


So you see Mungo what FFP will do is improve the game by ensuring that all clubs work within their means and develop players in-house without input from wealthy owners looking to buy success...

Clubs such as Burnley who have lived and worked within their means since the beginning will continue to flourish, whereas jumped up nobodies such as Blackburn Rovers who have lived on hand-outs for close on 3 decades will struggle massively to adjust, but adjust they must.

Those are the rules and you'll have to fall in line, otherwise the Rovers of Blackburn could well be withdrawn from the football league, if Venky's so desire and be moved to Pune, India as one of the founder members of the Venky's Chicken Wing Premier League.

Perhaps therein lies your future?

Cheerio, you wont be missed.
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]magik_thighs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fairplayfan[/bold] wrote: "We did not agree to the FFP regulations they were imposed on us. You just want to move the goalposts. The rules are pernicious and aren't about reducing debt, it is about the smaller teams (Burnley etc.) wanting to boost their chances of promotion. And that's all it is…… A better way would be to talk to the teams involved and force them to come up with and demonstrate a plan that reduces their debt gradually over a longer period. And if they don’t stick to the agreed plan then punish them." acdr, the implementation of FFP came about because of a democratic vote of Chairmen of clubs who are/were in the Football League. These regulations were not unknown to clubs who may be relegated from the PL, therefore, they were not imposed on you until you got relegated. You are now in your second year in the Championship so you have had time to make adjustments, however, it appears that Rovers, along with a few other clubs, just want to ignore the regulations. I suggest it is not the clubs who are going along with the regulations that are doing the bullying, it is those few clubs with foreign/wealthy owners that are trying to bully the League into changing the regulations for their own benefit.[/p][/quote]Same question to you, "If Burnley were in the same position as Rovers would you want them to be penalised?". Next question, "If a billionaire comes along next season and offers to buy Burnley and invest, say £500 million what would you think of FFP rules then?" Because he wouldn't be able to.[/p][/quote]That`s the big difference in our two clubs. We have the pride of knowing that we made the prem all on our own without an ego-tripping sugar-daddy, without buying our way to the top table and without racking up unsustainable debts that will never be paid off. Not only did we do it the "Fit and proper" way....its looking like we could do it a 2nd time! If you really have to ask stupid questions like that, you really don`t understand!![/p][/quote]Plonker. In your place if a billionaire came along and offered my club a chance to take on the likes of Man U, Liverpool and the rest but FFP stopped it I would be livid. The simple fact of life idiots like you fail to comprehend is FFP is designed to make the bigger (richer) clubs bigger and richer while small clubs like Blackburn, Burnley and the rest will gradually fade away because they will never be able to compete on a level financial playing field. You are so mentally stuck in a little local rivalry between Rovers and Burnley you just aren't thinking it out at all. I am not just sticking up for Rovers here, I am actually sticking up for every club outside the top 6 or 8 in the Premier League, including Burnley. Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Spurs, the only clubs with potential to join that group are Newcastle and possibly West Ham (if they can get the Olympic Stadium). These are the clubs who will benefit from FFP, the rest will be lucky to get the crumbs from the top table.[/p][/quote]"The simple fact of life idiots like you fail to comprehend is FFP is designed to make the bigger (richer) clubs bigger and richer while small clubs like Blackburn, Burnley and the rest will gradually fade away because they will never be able to compete on a level financial playing field." What absolute rubbish.... "The UEFA Financial Fair Play Regulations, first agreed in principle in September 2009 by the Financial Control Panel of football’s governing body in Europe - UEFA, were brought in to prevent professional football clubs spending more than they earn in the pursuit of success and in doing so getting into financial problems which might threaten their long term survival." (hang on a minute... that sounds like someone we know...) "Introduced amid concern at the heavy spending of a number of professional clubs across Europe, the regulations will eventually lead to a more ‘level playing field’ by preventing clubs with very wealthy owners who make substantial cash gifts to their club from gaining an unfair advantage over other clubs who are run on a more sustainable business model, and in so doing encourage lower levels of spending. (all sounds like common sense so far....) "The financial fair play regulations provide for sanctions to be taken against clubs who do not spend within a set budgetary framework over several seasons." (and here we have your upcoming transfer embargo) So you see Mungo what FFP will do is improve the game by ensuring that all clubs work within their means and develop players in-house without input from wealthy owners looking to buy success... Clubs such as Burnley who have lived and worked within their means since the beginning will continue to flourish, whereas jumped up nobodies such as Blackburn Rovers who have lived on hand-outs for close on 3 decades will struggle massively to adjust, but adjust they must. Those are the rules and you'll have to fall in line, otherwise the Rovers of Blackburn could well be withdrawn from the football league, if Venky's so desire and be moved to Pune, India as one of the founder members of the Venky's Chicken Wing Premier League. Perhaps therein lies your future? Cheerio, you wont be missed. Super_Clarets
  • Score: 0

9:38pm Fri 14 Mar 14

more bans than ray - brfc lxxv says...

RobH2O wrote:
more bans than ray - brfc lxxv wrote:
Super_Clarets wrote:
mammamiauk wrote:
adcr wrote:
I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol
Don't speak too soon. Those Burnley trolls will be back before you know it, the best way is not to respond to them as they absolutely love annoying us Rovers fans and nothing pleases these trolls more than us responding to their comments/postings. They also have nothing better to do than be obsessed with the Rovers as they know that their club will never achieve what Rovers have achieved.
We beat you at Ewood you mug.

24 points
5 years
Look up!
We beat you multiple times at Ewood & Turf

2 Divisions higher for 6 years

35 years unbeaten

The benchmark has been set

Mua ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
More Bans, al you talk of is the past. We only have now. We can't effect what happened in the past. We don't low what the future holds. Right now we have the upper on you. For what its worth, for a football fanatic like me, I'd love Rovers to be promoted back to the Prem. I'd love us to be in the Prem. I'd love to play our derby in the Prem. Who Knows? !
I only talk of the past to remind the certain individuals on here that conveniently forget the past and have specialised in short term selective memory. I was one of the first to congratulate you on your derby win last Sunday and I don't for 1 second doubt you have the upper hand at this moment but that doesn't erase the past Rob..... and I'd love both clubs to be the Prem because in my biased view we have one of the fiercest derbys in the country.....
[quote][p][bold]RobH2O[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]more bans than ray - brfc lxxv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mammamiauk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol[/p][/quote]Don't speak too soon. Those Burnley trolls will be back before you know it, the best way is not to respond to them as they absolutely love annoying us Rovers fans and nothing pleases these trolls more than us responding to their comments/postings. They also have nothing better to do than be obsessed with the Rovers as they know that their club will never achieve what Rovers have achieved.[/p][/quote]We beat you at Ewood you mug. 24 points 5 years Look up![/p][/quote]We beat you multiple times at Ewood & Turf 2 Divisions higher for 6 years 35 years unbeaten The benchmark has been set Mua ha ha ha ha ha ha ha[/p][/quote]More Bans, al you talk of is the past. We only have now. We can't effect what happened in the past. We don't low what the future holds. Right now we have the upper on you. For what its worth, for a football fanatic like me, I'd love Rovers to be promoted back to the Prem. I'd love us to be in the Prem. I'd love to play our derby in the Prem. Who Knows? ![/p][/quote]I only talk of the past to remind the certain individuals on here that conveniently forget the past and have specialised in short term selective memory. I was one of the first to congratulate you on your derby win last Sunday and I don't for 1 second doubt you have the upper hand at this moment but that doesn't erase the past Rob..... and I'd love both clubs to be the Prem because in my biased view we have one of the fiercest derbys in the country..... more bans than ray - brfc lxxv
  • Score: 3

9:42pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Tugay's Understudy says...

A scenario for you Burnley fans. You go up, you invest in players, offer bigger contracts etc and your wages increase but you still get relegated. The next season you find yourselves in the Championship, your wages are much higher than other teams in the league and with dwindling attendances you can't turn a profit. Maybe in that first year, or a year after you could find yourself making a loss over those previous seasons that doesn't meet FFP standards. Your only option is to sell, sell, sell, replace cheaper and hope that your team can still perform. This could lead to terrible consequences incl slipping further down the leagues should the worst thing happen, or you find yourselves in more of a rut and struggle to compete as well in the league. This has happened to every team that has been relegated in the last couple of years and it's crippling them. Look what happened at Wolves... Blackburn, Bolton, Wigan, Birmingham, Blackpool. All struggled to find their feet since relegation under FFP rules. The only teams who have done well are the likes of QPR and West Ham, who didn't cut their wage bill and gambled on promotion, yet in the case of QPR it could go sour yet. For clubs like Rovers and Leicester in our league, we have bigger, more costly facilities, a higher wage budget due to stature, whilst having bigger incomes than clubs like you, we have bigger costs. Whilst parachute payments support relegated clubs, the FFP rules are nonsensical, and punish relegated clubs further, to the benefit of who? It may make the league more competitive (it may not), but what it certainly doesn't do is assist in teams relegated to the Championship, and due to the gulf the FA are creating between the Championship and the Premier League, promoted clubs will likely struggle. Whilst I appreciate some principles of FFP are designed to benefit the majority of teams, implicating it is far more difficult and certainly costly to a number of clubs.
A scenario for you Burnley fans. You go up, you invest in players, offer bigger contracts etc and your wages increase but you still get relegated. The next season you find yourselves in the Championship, your wages are much higher than other teams in the league and with dwindling attendances you can't turn a profit. Maybe in that first year, or a year after you could find yourself making a loss over those previous seasons that doesn't meet FFP standards. Your only option is to sell, sell, sell, replace cheaper and hope that your team can still perform. This could lead to terrible consequences incl slipping further down the leagues should the worst thing happen, or you find yourselves in more of a rut and struggle to compete as well in the league. This has happened to every team that has been relegated in the last couple of years and it's crippling them. Look what happened at Wolves... Blackburn, Bolton, Wigan, Birmingham, Blackpool. All struggled to find their feet since relegation under FFP rules. The only teams who have done well are the likes of QPR and West Ham, who didn't cut their wage bill and gambled on promotion, yet in the case of QPR it could go sour yet. For clubs like Rovers and Leicester in our league, we have bigger, more costly facilities, a higher wage budget due to stature, whilst having bigger incomes than clubs like you, we have bigger costs. Whilst parachute payments support relegated clubs, the FFP rules are nonsensical, and punish relegated clubs further, to the benefit of who? It may make the league more competitive (it may not), but what it certainly doesn't do is assist in teams relegated to the Championship, and due to the gulf the FA are creating between the Championship and the Premier League, promoted clubs will likely struggle. Whilst I appreciate some principles of FFP are designed to benefit the majority of teams, implicating it is far more difficult and certainly costly to a number of clubs. Tugay's Understudy
  • Score: 0

9:49pm Fri 14 Mar 14

more bans than ray - brfc lxxv says...

Super_Clarets wrote:
more bans than ray - brfc lxxv wrote:
Super_Clarets wrote:
mammamiauk wrote:
adcr wrote:
I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol
Don't speak too soon. Those Burnley trolls will be back before you know it, the best way is not to respond to them as they absolutely love annoying us Rovers fans and nothing pleases these trolls more than us responding to their comments/postings. They also have nothing better to do than be obsessed with the Rovers as they know that their club will never achieve what Rovers have achieved.
We beat you at Ewood you mug.

24 points
5 years
Look up!
We beat you multiple times at Ewood & Turf

2 Divisions higher for 6 years

35 years unbeaten

The benchmark has been set

Mua ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
And it cost you over £100million to do so.

And where are you now?
And where is all the money now?
And where are the Clarets now?

Think about it moron.
It didn't cost a penny to spend 6 seasons 2 divisions above you.

You're 2nd in the Championship - been there, seen it, done it - also without a penny spent.

Another f*ckwit moment for you eh?

Think before you post clown.

Actually don't, I enjoy a good laugh and you never fail to deliver.
[quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]more bans than ray - brfc lxxv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mammamiauk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol[/p][/quote]Don't speak too soon. Those Burnley trolls will be back before you know it, the best way is not to respond to them as they absolutely love annoying us Rovers fans and nothing pleases these trolls more than us responding to their comments/postings. They also have nothing better to do than be obsessed with the Rovers as they know that their club will never achieve what Rovers have achieved.[/p][/quote]We beat you at Ewood you mug. 24 points 5 years Look up![/p][/quote]We beat you multiple times at Ewood & Turf 2 Divisions higher for 6 years 35 years unbeaten The benchmark has been set Mua ha ha ha ha ha ha ha[/p][/quote]And it cost you over £100million to do so. And where are you now? And where is all the money now? And where are the Clarets now? Think about it moron.[/p][/quote]It didn't cost a penny to spend 6 seasons 2 divisions above you. You're 2nd in the Championship - been there, seen it, done it - also without a penny spent. Another f*ckwit moment for you eh? Think before you post clown. Actually don't, I enjoy a good laugh and you never fail to deliver. more bans than ray - brfc lxxv
  • Score: 1

9:50pm Fri 14 Mar 14

golazzo says...

adcr wrote:
I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol
Because BFC have been working towards the FFP since 2012 unlike many other clubs
[quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol[/p][/quote]Because BFC have been working towards the FFP since 2012 unlike many other clubs golazzo
  • Score: 3

10:17pm Fri 14 Mar 14

more bans than ray - brfc lxxv says...

magik_thighs wrote:
more bans than ray - brfc lxxv wrote:
Super_Clarets wrote:
Love all the false optimism that the no-dads have to cover themselves with these days. Of course financial fair play will be brought into effect and of course it will be harsh, and rightly so, our game is now teetering on the brink and if drastic measures are not taken to reduce the overspend then at the current rate we will see far more clubs going the way of Portsmouth. FFP is here to PREVENT that and although it will kill clubs like Blackburn Rovers forcing them to adhere to the rules that govern the rest of us and to develop their own talent for once, the game will be in a much healthier position as a result. So suck it up no-dads, this is once again a sham article pushed forward to lift the mood in the rapidly declining, soon to be bottom half, beaten at home by the Clarets, bitter, jealous, angry Blackburn camp. Much like the Rhodes 5 year contract nonsense that was used before the Derby game, and for the same reason the 10 greatest no-dad moments article was removed, it hurts you clowns sooooooo much to see how far you have fallen in every single aspect of the game. In summary just more pathetic self serving codsh!t to make you mugs feel better about your disastrous season.
FFP is on the way whether you like it or not. Clubs have been adjusting and scaling down for two years in preparation yet you jumped up nobodies seem to think you're an exception. Astounding arrogance. You will get what you deserve, no more, no less, but you will learn that your free ride is now over.
".....forcing them to adhere to the rules that govern the rest of us and to develop their own talent for once"

Ever heard of James Beattie, Shay Given, David Dunn, Damien Duff or Phil Jones?

All products of Blackburn Rovers, all sold in multi million pound deals, all full internationals..... and you think we're jealous and bitter of your club?

You make me hurt with laughter and I'm serious, you do actually make me laugh out loud. I have this disturbing vision of you being a cross between Alan Partridge and David Brent just sat creating account after account whilst throwing darts at a David Dunn poster you crazy Rovers obsessed geek.

Once again you've successfully made yourself look like a complete & utter f*ckwit.

But I like you. You represent the town of Burnley and billions of supporters perfectly - I'm sure they're proud of you.
Yes.....but all that was bought and payed for by uncle mad-jack.....you dick!!
That would have never happened without a rich benefactor who had pumped money into a $hitty little club. You just don`t get it do you!!

Every comment you post brings down the IQ of the whole thread.

You have won/achieved nothing at all, its been bought for you!
All what was payed for by Jack? What planet are you sh*t head?

They were trainees that came through the ranks as kids or did Jack Walker pay some amateur Irish club £20 million for Damien Duff on the hush hush? Maybe he payed David Dunns parents £15 million and another £2mil to keep em quiet? Maybe you know these players personally or was their agent back then?

''You have won/achieved nothing at all, its been bought for you!''.... only on planet dingle

And you suggest I bring the IQ of the thread down!
[quote][p][bold]magik_thighs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]more bans than ray - brfc lxxv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: Love all the false optimism that the no-dads have to cover themselves with these days. Of course financial fair play will be brought into effect and of course it will be harsh, and rightly so, our game is now teetering on the brink and if drastic measures are not taken to reduce the overspend then at the current rate we will see far more clubs going the way of Portsmouth. FFP is here to PREVENT that and although it will kill clubs like Blackburn Rovers forcing them to adhere to the rules that govern the rest of us and to develop their own talent for once, the game will be in a much healthier position as a result. So suck it up no-dads, this is once again a sham article pushed forward to lift the mood in the rapidly declining, soon to be bottom half, beaten at home by the Clarets, bitter, jealous, angry Blackburn camp. Much like the Rhodes 5 year contract nonsense that was used before the Derby game, and for the same reason the 10 greatest no-dad moments article was removed, it hurts you clowns sooooooo much to see how far you have fallen in every single aspect of the game. In summary just more pathetic self serving codsh!t to make you mugs feel better about your disastrous season. FFP is on the way whether you like it or not. Clubs have been adjusting and scaling down for two years in preparation yet you jumped up nobodies seem to think you're an exception. Astounding arrogance. You will get what you deserve, no more, no less, but you will learn that your free ride is now over.[/p][/quote]".....forcing them to adhere to the rules that govern the rest of us and to develop their own talent for once" Ever heard of James Beattie, Shay Given, David Dunn, Damien Duff or Phil Jones? All products of Blackburn Rovers, all sold in multi million pound deals, all full internationals..... and you think we're jealous and bitter of your club? You make me hurt with laughter and I'm serious, you do actually make me laugh out loud. I have this disturbing vision of you being a cross between Alan Partridge and David Brent just sat creating account after account whilst throwing darts at a David Dunn poster you crazy Rovers obsessed geek. Once again you've successfully made yourself look like a complete & utter f*ckwit. But I like you. You represent the town of Burnley and billions of supporters perfectly - I'm sure they're proud of you.[/p][/quote]Yes.....but all that was bought and payed for by uncle mad-jack.....you dick!! That would have never happened without a rich benefactor who had pumped money into a $hitty little club. You just don`t get it do you!! Every comment you post brings down the IQ of the whole thread. You have won/achieved nothing at all, its been bought for you![/p][/quote]All what was payed for by Jack? What planet are you sh*t head? They were trainees that came through the ranks as kids or did Jack Walker pay some amateur Irish club £20 million for Damien Duff on the hush hush? Maybe he payed David Dunns parents £15 million and another £2mil to keep em quiet? Maybe you know these players personally or was their agent back then? ''You have won/achieved nothing at all, its been bought for you!''.... only on planet dingle And you suggest I bring the IQ of the thread down! more bans than ray - brfc lxxv
  • Score: 1

10:19pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Super_Clarets says...

more bans than ray - brfc lxxv wrote:
Super_Clarets wrote:
more bans than ray - brfc lxxv wrote:
Super_Clarets wrote:
mammamiauk wrote:
adcr wrote:
I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol
Don't speak too soon. Those Burnley trolls will be back before you know it, the best way is not to respond to them as they absolutely love annoying us Rovers fans and nothing pleases these trolls more than us responding to their comments/postings. They also have nothing better to do than be obsessed with the Rovers as they know that their club will never achieve what Rovers have achieved.
We beat you at Ewood you mug.

24 points
5 years
Look up!
We beat you multiple times at Ewood & Turf

2 Divisions higher for 6 years

35 years unbeaten

The benchmark has been set

Mua ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
And it cost you over £100million to do so.

And where are you now?
And where is all the money now?
And where are the Clarets now?

Think about it moron.
It didn't cost a penny to spend 6 seasons 2 divisions above you.

You're 2nd in the Championship - been there, seen it, done it - also without a penny spent.

Another f*ckwit moment for you eh?

Think before you post clown.

Actually don't, I enjoy a good laugh and you never fail to deliver.
Blackburn Rovers 1 - 2 Burnley,

Explain that one f*ckwit?

Hahaha, we beat you at Ewood!

24 points!
5 years
Keep looking up Mungo!
[quote][p][bold]more bans than ray - brfc lxxv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]more bans than ray - brfc lxxv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mammamiauk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol[/p][/quote]Don't speak too soon. Those Burnley trolls will be back before you know it, the best way is not to respond to them as they absolutely love annoying us Rovers fans and nothing pleases these trolls more than us responding to their comments/postings. They also have nothing better to do than be obsessed with the Rovers as they know that their club will never achieve what Rovers have achieved.[/p][/quote]We beat you at Ewood you mug. 24 points 5 years Look up![/p][/quote]We beat you multiple times at Ewood & Turf 2 Divisions higher for 6 years 35 years unbeaten The benchmark has been set Mua ha ha ha ha ha ha ha[/p][/quote]And it cost you over £100million to do so. And where are you now? And where is all the money now? And where are the Clarets now? Think about it moron.[/p][/quote]It didn't cost a penny to spend 6 seasons 2 divisions above you. You're 2nd in the Championship - been there, seen it, done it - also without a penny spent. Another f*ckwit moment for you eh? Think before you post clown. Actually don't, I enjoy a good laugh and you never fail to deliver.[/p][/quote]Blackburn Rovers 1 - 2 Burnley, Explain that one f*ckwit? Hahaha, we beat you at Ewood! 24 points! 5 years Keep looking up Mungo! Super_Clarets
  • Score: 0

10:24pm Fri 14 Mar 14

J.C - Rishton says...

owd nick wrote:
mammamiauk wrote:
adcr wrote:
mammamiauk wrote:
adcr wrote:
I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol
Don't speak too soon. Those Burnley trolls will be back before you know it, the best way is not to respond to them as they absolutely love annoying us Rovers fans and nothing pleases these trolls more than us responding to their comments/postings. They also have nothing better to do than be obsessed with the Rovers as they know that their club will never achieve what Rovers have achieved.
I know just couldn't resist giving a little bit of stick back. Fingers crossed the embargo will be stopped, and that the venky's will put a few million aside to strengthen over the summer. Long shot I know.
Someone was telling me that a date Rovers fans should be keeping a note of is 25th March as it is apparently 'Administration Day'. How true this is, I do not know but Rovers fans will find out if our beloved club will go into administration and if this happens, the points will be deducted next season. On a positive note, the debts will be settled by the owners and to be fair to them, they have given GB the funds to buy Cairney and Gestede who have proven to be invaluable since their loan signings.
They don't need to go into administration, the bulk of the "debt" is owed to Venky's so it wouldn't make sense because if Rovers went into administration Venky's would never get that money back.

The repayment term of the loan (debt) is also open ended, there is not a set date as to when it needs to be repaid and there are no interest charges to be incurred.

That was published in the LT last year.

Simple question, "If I owe myself £5 is that a debt?".
"If I owe myself £5, is that a debt" ? - sorry Nick but the Rovers debt is not owed to the Venky family but to "Venky Hatcheries" (sorry, I can't spell) - which is partly owned by people outside the Venky family so our debt WILL have to be paid at some point (they havent leant the club a penny of their own personal cash).

Also, Venkys purchased Rovers beleiving they could make money (Mrs D herself has admitted this) - which puts to bed that notion that "Billionaires can't be stupid". This family is the definition of stupidity, dealing in a sport they don't understand which is based in a country they know nothing about and which they refuse to spend anytime.

You are correct that the debt has no interest (great) and has no repayment schedule (also, on the face of it - good) but on the flip side of that - the debt (theoretically) could be recalled tomorrow. Also, a "loan" without a repayment schedule, could have tax implications as "loan" (as defined by the UK taxman) must have a "repayment schedule" (otherwise, acording to the taxman, they won't class it as a loan?).

Also, I agree that we can avoid FFP punishment that would be a huge boost for the club but it should not change the underlieing fact that BRFC HAS to reduce its costs and its debts - not to use this as an excuse to spend more money and add more debt and more losses.

This would be recless in the extream - the medium and longterm future of BFRC should NEVER be put at risk.

BRFC has been in existance for 138 years, it is the responsibilty of everyone connected to the club to ensure that it is in exsistance for another 138 - at least !
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mammamiauk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mammamiauk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol[/p][/quote]Don't speak too soon. Those Burnley trolls will be back before you know it, the best way is not to respond to them as they absolutely love annoying us Rovers fans and nothing pleases these trolls more than us responding to their comments/postings. They also have nothing better to do than be obsessed with the Rovers as they know that their club will never achieve what Rovers have achieved.[/p][/quote]I know just couldn't resist giving a little bit of stick back. Fingers crossed the embargo will be stopped, and that the venky's will put a few million aside to strengthen over the summer. Long shot I know.[/p][/quote]Someone was telling me that a date Rovers fans should be keeping a note of is 25th March as it is apparently 'Administration Day'. How true this is, I do not know but Rovers fans will find out if our beloved club will go into administration and if this happens, the points will be deducted next season. On a positive note, the debts will be settled by the owners and to be fair to them, they have given GB the funds to buy Cairney and Gestede who have proven to be invaluable since their loan signings.[/p][/quote]They don't need to go into administration, the bulk of the "debt" is owed to Venky's so it wouldn't make sense because if Rovers went into administration Venky's would never get that money back. The repayment term of the loan (debt) is also open ended, there is not a set date as to when it needs to be repaid and there are no interest charges to be incurred. That was published in the LT last year. Simple question, "If I owe myself £5 is that a debt?".[/p][/quote]"If I owe myself £5, is that a debt" ? - sorry Nick but the Rovers debt is not owed to the Venky family but to "Venky Hatcheries" (sorry, I can't spell) - which is partly owned by people outside the Venky family so our debt WILL have to be paid at some point (they havent leant the club a penny of their own personal cash). Also, Venkys purchased Rovers beleiving they could make money (Mrs D herself has admitted this) - which puts to bed that notion that "Billionaires can't be stupid". This family is the definition of stupidity, dealing in a sport they don't understand which is based in a country they know nothing about and which they refuse to spend anytime. You are correct that the debt has no interest (great) and has no repayment schedule (also, on the face of it - good) but on the flip side of that - the debt (theoretically) could be recalled tomorrow. Also, a "loan" without a repayment schedule, could have tax implications as "loan" (as defined by the UK taxman) must have a "repayment schedule" (otherwise, acording to the taxman, they won't class it as a loan?). Also, I agree that we can avoid FFP punishment that would be a huge boost for the club but it should not change the underlieing fact that BRFC HAS to reduce its costs and its debts - not to use this as an excuse to spend more money and add more debt and more losses. This would be recless in the extream - the medium and longterm future of BFRC should NEVER be put at risk. BRFC has been in existance for 138 years, it is the responsibilty of everyone connected to the club to ensure that it is in exsistance for another 138 - at least ! J.C - Rishton
  • Score: 4

11:00pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Angry From Accrington says...

Given our recent record in the transfer market(with a couple of notable exceptions) an embargo might not be such a bad thing!
Given our recent record in the transfer market(with a couple of notable exceptions) an embargo might not be such a bad thing! Angry From Accrington
  • Score: 4

11:24pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Wild Rover says...

Looks like Look up Baldric is about to lose his Rovers will be blown into oblivion by FFP comfort blanket!
You can feel his frustration and rage from here
Never mind Baldric, Im sure you will have another cunning plan
Looks like Look up Baldric is about to lose his Rovers will be blown into oblivion by FFP comfort blanket! You can feel his frustration and rage from here Never mind Baldric, Im sure you will have another cunning plan Wild Rover
  • Score: 3

11:27pm Fri 14 Mar 14

French Rover says...

McClaret wrote:
French Rover wrote:
Looks like common sense will prevail for a change...which is a miracle in football these days.

The Championship clubs and the Football League had between them created a `noose` around clubs that showed any ambition or aspiration of promotion. Maybe this will help ease the pressure off the Rovers (and Venkys) and allow us to invest again - albeit more carefully than before.
Hello French, normally agree with your posts but not this time.
How can it be common sense to allow clubs to continue to pile millions of debt year after year? Surely that is how a business fails? And for what, chasing the dream of the PL. Sounds like a junkie looking for a fix.
As for a noose around clubs showing ambition or aspiration of promotion.
FFP is being introduced to prevent the inevitable. The football league needs to establish order amongst it's 72 or we will see many clubs fold and where will fans watch games then? Yes in an armchair via skyf'insports. If a business wants to take a risk and invest heavily but then fails why should it be bailed out?
I think if it affects clubs to the negative in the short term than yes it should be revised and those clubs be supported to balance their books in a much better way. Blackburn are a shining example of this and I can never understand why football rules punish teams more when they are in a poor situation. 10 points deducted for administration being an example. A bank will always pull the plug on a failing business but should support it before that happens. The FL should adopt that philosophy IMO
Your post smells of buying your way to the prem and not about establishing a proper bedrock for success,
Hi Mac i dont disagree with you but until the TV money is gone then getting to the prem is the holy grail for any club especially the smaller clubs like ours. Just surviving in the prem means a lot of money for most clubs and that's the only way forward to keep themselves in some cases . The money on offer know is phenomenal and ridiculous at the same time so it's no wonder clubs want to spend beyond their means to try to get to this promised land. Until that changes then nothing changes.
[quote][p][bold]McClaret[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: Looks like common sense will prevail for a change...which is a miracle in football these days. The Championship clubs and the Football League had between them created a `noose` around clubs that showed any ambition or aspiration of promotion. Maybe this will help ease the pressure off the Rovers (and Venkys) and allow us to invest again - albeit more carefully than before.[/p][/quote]Hello French, normally agree with your posts but not this time. How can it be common sense to allow clubs to continue to pile millions of debt year after year? Surely that is how a business fails? And for what, chasing the dream of the PL. Sounds like a junkie looking for a fix. As for a noose around clubs showing ambition or aspiration of promotion. FFP is being introduced to prevent the inevitable. The football league needs to establish order amongst it's 72 or we will see many clubs fold and where will fans watch games then? Yes in an armchair via skyf'insports. If a business wants to take a risk and invest heavily but then fails why should it be bailed out? I think if it affects clubs to the negative in the short term than yes it should be revised and those clubs be supported to balance their books in a much better way. Blackburn are a shining example of this and I can never understand why football rules punish teams more when they are in a poor situation. 10 points deducted for administration being an example. A bank will always pull the plug on a failing business but should support it before that happens. The FL should adopt that philosophy IMO Your post smells of buying your way to the prem and not about establishing a proper bedrock for success,[/p][/quote]Hi Mac i dont disagree with you but until the TV money is gone then getting to the prem is the holy grail for any club especially the smaller clubs like ours. Just surviving in the prem means a lot of money for most clubs and that's the only way forward to keep themselves in some cases . The money on offer know is phenomenal and ridiculous at the same time so it's no wonder clubs want to spend beyond their means to try to get to this promised land. Until that changes then nothing changes. French Rover
  • Score: 4

11:27pm Fri 14 Mar 14

French Rover says...

McClaret wrote:
French Rover wrote:
Looks like common sense will prevail for a change...which is a miracle in football these days.

The Championship clubs and the Football League had between them created a `noose` around clubs that showed any ambition or aspiration of promotion. Maybe this will help ease the pressure off the Rovers (and Venkys) and allow us to invest again - albeit more carefully than before.
Hello French, normally agree with your posts but not this time.
How can it be common sense to allow clubs to continue to pile millions of debt year after year? Surely that is how a business fails? And for what, chasing the dream of the PL. Sounds like a junkie looking for a fix.
As for a noose around clubs showing ambition or aspiration of promotion.
FFP is being introduced to prevent the inevitable. The football league needs to establish order amongst it's 72 or we will see many clubs fold and where will fans watch games then? Yes in an armchair via skyf'insports. If a business wants to take a risk and invest heavily but then fails why should it be bailed out?
I think if it affects clubs to the negative in the short term than yes it should be revised and those clubs be supported to balance their books in a much better way. Blackburn are a shining example of this and I can never understand why football rules punish teams more when they are in a poor situation. 10 points deducted for administration being an example. A bank will always pull the plug on a failing business but should support it before that happens. The FL should adopt that philosophy IMO
Your post smells of buying your way to the prem and not about establishing a proper bedrock for success,
Hi Mac i dont disagree with you but until the TV money is gone then getting to the prem is the holy grail for any club especially the smaller clubs like ours. Just surviving in the prem means a lot of money for most clubs and that's the only way forward to keep themselves in some cases . The money on offer know is phenomenal and ridiculous at the same time so it's no wonder clubs want to spend beyond their means to try to get to this promised land. Until that changes then nothing changes.
[quote][p][bold]McClaret[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: Looks like common sense will prevail for a change...which is a miracle in football these days. The Championship clubs and the Football League had between them created a `noose` around clubs that showed any ambition or aspiration of promotion. Maybe this will help ease the pressure off the Rovers (and Venkys) and allow us to invest again - albeit more carefully than before.[/p][/quote]Hello French, normally agree with your posts but not this time. How can it be common sense to allow clubs to continue to pile millions of debt year after year? Surely that is how a business fails? And for what, chasing the dream of the PL. Sounds like a junkie looking for a fix. As for a noose around clubs showing ambition or aspiration of promotion. FFP is being introduced to prevent the inevitable. The football league needs to establish order amongst it's 72 or we will see many clubs fold and where will fans watch games then? Yes in an armchair via skyf'insports. If a business wants to take a risk and invest heavily but then fails why should it be bailed out? I think if it affects clubs to the negative in the short term than yes it should be revised and those clubs be supported to balance their books in a much better way. Blackburn are a shining example of this and I can never understand why football rules punish teams more when they are in a poor situation. 10 points deducted for administration being an example. A bank will always pull the plug on a failing business but should support it before that happens. The FL should adopt that philosophy IMO Your post smells of buying your way to the prem and not about establishing a proper bedrock for success,[/p][/quote]Hi Mac i dont disagree with you but until the TV money is gone then getting to the prem is the holy grail for any club especially the smaller clubs like ours. Just surviving in the prem means a lot of money for most clubs and that's the only way forward to keep themselves in some cases . The money on offer know is phenomenal and ridiculous at the same time so it's no wonder clubs want to spend beyond their means to try to get to this promised land. Until that changes then nothing changes. French Rover
  • Score: 1

11:45pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Angry From Accrington says...

French Rover wrote:
McClaret wrote:
French Rover wrote:
Looks like common sense will prevail for a change...which is a miracle in football these days.

The Championship clubs and the Football League had between them created a `noose` around clubs that showed any ambition or aspiration of promotion. Maybe this will help ease the pressure off the Rovers (and Venkys) and allow us to invest again - albeit more carefully than before.
Hello French, normally agree with your posts but not this time.
How can it be common sense to allow clubs to continue to pile millions of debt year after year? Surely that is how a business fails? And for what, chasing the dream of the PL. Sounds like a junkie looking for a fix.
As for a noose around clubs showing ambition or aspiration of promotion.
FFP is being introduced to prevent the inevitable. The football league needs to establish order amongst it's 72 or we will see many clubs fold and where will fans watch games then? Yes in an armchair via skyf'insports. If a business wants to take a risk and invest heavily but then fails why should it be bailed out?
I think if it affects clubs to the negative in the short term than yes it should be revised and those clubs be supported to balance their books in a much better way. Blackburn are a shining example of this and I can never understand why football rules punish teams more when they are in a poor situation. 10 points deducted for administration being an example. A bank will always pull the plug on a failing business but should support it before that happens. The FL should adopt that philosophy IMO
Your post smells of buying your way to the prem and not about establishing a proper bedrock for success,
Hi Mac i dont disagree with you but until the TV money is gone then getting to the prem is the holy grail for any club especially the smaller clubs like ours. Just surviving in the prem means a lot of money for most clubs and that's the only way forward to keep themselves in some cases . The money on offer know is phenomenal and ridiculous at the same time so it's no wonder clubs want to spend beyond their means to try to get to this promised land. Until that changes then nothing changes.
I think we would all agree that football finance is out of control but the solution does not lie in penalising clubs with ambition. The problem is rooted in ludicrous transfer fees, unsustainable and extravagant wages and corrupt agents. That's what the League and F A should be concentrating on.
[quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]McClaret[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: Looks like common sense will prevail for a change...which is a miracle in football these days. The Championship clubs and the Football League had between them created a `noose` around clubs that showed any ambition or aspiration of promotion. Maybe this will help ease the pressure off the Rovers (and Venkys) and allow us to invest again - albeit more carefully than before.[/p][/quote]Hello French, normally agree with your posts but not this time. How can it be common sense to allow clubs to continue to pile millions of debt year after year? Surely that is how a business fails? And for what, chasing the dream of the PL. Sounds like a junkie looking for a fix. As for a noose around clubs showing ambition or aspiration of promotion. FFP is being introduced to prevent the inevitable. The football league needs to establish order amongst it's 72 or we will see many clubs fold and where will fans watch games then? Yes in an armchair via skyf'insports. If a business wants to take a risk and invest heavily but then fails why should it be bailed out? I think if it affects clubs to the negative in the short term than yes it should be revised and those clubs be supported to balance their books in a much better way. Blackburn are a shining example of this and I can never understand why football rules punish teams more when they are in a poor situation. 10 points deducted for administration being an example. A bank will always pull the plug on a failing business but should support it before that happens. The FL should adopt that philosophy IMO Your post smells of buying your way to the prem and not about establishing a proper bedrock for success,[/p][/quote]Hi Mac i dont disagree with you but until the TV money is gone then getting to the prem is the holy grail for any club especially the smaller clubs like ours. Just surviving in the prem means a lot of money for most clubs and that's the only way forward to keep themselves in some cases . The money on offer know is phenomenal and ridiculous at the same time so it's no wonder clubs want to spend beyond their means to try to get to this promised land. Until that changes then nothing changes.[/p][/quote]I think we would all agree that football finance is out of control but the solution does not lie in penalising clubs with ambition. The problem is rooted in ludicrous transfer fees, unsustainable and extravagant wages and corrupt agents. That's what the League and F A should be concentrating on. Angry From Accrington
  • Score: 6

7:18am Sat 15 Mar 14

adcr says...

FCBurnley wrote:
Very interesting comments. Some fair and some stupid as usual. Probably inevitable that it would develop into a Burnley v Rovers thing.

Lets look at the facts. Rovers did not agree to the rules, however they knew the rules when they joined The Championship and were therefore bound by them.

Burnley also knew the rules

Rovers have broken the rules ( as they stand)
Burnley have not.

What choices do the FL have ? Only 2......Change the rules or not.

If they decide to leave the rules as they stand then the Leicesters and Rovers of this world will object.

If they change the rules then the FL will in effect be punishing the clubs who have adhered to the rules. So for example a club like Middlesboro will surely take action against the League based on the grounds that without FFP in place they would have invested more money and potentially been promoted.

So in summary, change the rules and face a legal challenge.
Keep the rules and face a legal challenge.

Looks like a lose/lose for the league to me. Do they support the clubs who have broken the rules or the ones who have abided by them.

Surely any changes they make can only be implemented in the future and not retrospectively.
You're like a judge pretending to be summing up both sides of the argument, whilst guiding neutrals through your obvious bias (in your summing up) into falling in line with your side of the argument. Have you been in court before?
[quote][p][bold]FCBurnley[/bold] wrote: Very interesting comments. Some fair and some stupid as usual. Probably inevitable that it would develop into a Burnley v Rovers thing. Lets look at the facts. Rovers did not agree to the rules, however they knew the rules when they joined The Championship and were therefore bound by them. Burnley also knew the rules Rovers have broken the rules ( as they stand) Burnley have not. What choices do the FL have ? Only 2......Change the rules or not. If they decide to leave the rules as they stand then the Leicesters and Rovers of this world will object. If they change the rules then the FL will in effect be punishing the clubs who have adhered to the rules. So for example a club like Middlesboro will surely take action against the League based on the grounds that without FFP in place they would have invested more money and potentially been promoted. So in summary, change the rules and face a legal challenge. Keep the rules and face a legal challenge. Looks like a lose/lose for the league to me. Do they support the clubs who have broken the rules or the ones who have abided by them. Surely any changes they make can only be implemented in the future and not retrospectively.[/p][/quote]You're like a judge pretending to be summing up both sides of the argument, whilst guiding neutrals through your obvious bias (in your summing up) into falling in line with your side of the argument. Have you been in court before? adcr
  • Score: 1

7:54am Sat 15 Mar 14

adcr says...

Far too many comments to reply to, so I'll sum up our side of the argument. When the rules were brought in we were already committed to a squad of players all with large contracts. We were then facing the stark choice of either sell our top players and face certain relegation, or keep our best players and fail the FFP rules if/when we got relegated. Not much of a choice is it. If you think about it most relegated teams are going to fail the FFP because you either spend big in the Prem or you don’t compete, and it isn’t fair to prevent smaller teams from even having a chance of staying up. The FFP play should be about helping not punishing clubs.

I would propose a fairer system which involves cutting some of the TV money given to Premiership clubs and giving it to clubs in the lower leagues. A 20% cut in the money given to Premiership clubs would raise approx. £450m for lower league clubs (per season). This would both curb Premier league excesses and help keep smaller clubs afloat. I would then force all clubs with debts to come up with plans on how they are going to reduce their debts and if they don’t stick with these plans then punish them. It may also be a good idea to limit what all clubs can spend in a season. This would narrow the gap between top and bottom and help to curb wage inflation.
Far too many comments to reply to, so I'll sum up our side of the argument. When the rules were brought in we were already committed to a squad of players all with large contracts. We were then facing the stark choice of either sell our top players and face certain relegation, or keep our best players and fail the FFP rules if/when we got relegated. Not much of a choice is it. If you think about it most relegated teams are going to fail the FFP because you either spend big in the Prem or you don’t compete, and it isn’t fair to prevent smaller teams from even having a chance of staying up. The FFP play should be about helping not punishing clubs. I would propose a fairer system which involves cutting some of the TV money given to Premiership clubs and giving it to clubs in the lower leagues. A 20% cut in the money given to Premiership clubs would raise approx. £450m for lower league clubs (per season). This would both curb Premier league excesses and help keep smaller clubs afloat. I would then force all clubs with debts to come up with plans on how they are going to reduce their debts and if they don’t stick with these plans then punish them. It may also be a good idea to limit what all clubs can spend in a season. This would narrow the gap between top and bottom and help to curb wage inflation. adcr
  • Score: 3

9:55am Sat 15 Mar 14

u owe u owe says...

Oh dear, someone who copied and pasted this report left out an important chunk of text, the part where Scudamore talks about X and Y and how they're vastly different, how some will struggle to match Y when their set up for X. He does go on to say more, read it for yourselves.

Nothing about scrapping or postponing the FFP, just some lazy reporting.

Scudamore didn't he want PL matches played abroad, or on the moon, well something ridiculous like that.
Harvey is that the same bloke who was CEO of Bradford's top flight days right through to liquidation, then didn't he work his Magic on Leeds.
Lunatics have taken over the asylum!
Oh dear, someone who copied and pasted this report left out an important chunk of text, the part where Scudamore talks about X and Y and how they're vastly different, how some will struggle to match Y when their set up for X. He does go on to say more, read it for yourselves. Nothing about scrapping or postponing the FFP, just some lazy reporting. Scudamore didn't he want PL matches played abroad, or on the moon, well something ridiculous like that. Harvey is that the same bloke who was CEO of Bradford's top flight days right through to liquidation, then didn't he work his Magic on Leeds. Lunatics have taken over the asylum! u owe u owe
  • Score: 3

10:13am Sat 15 Mar 14

tall in the saddle says...

adcr wrote:
andy1 wrote:
adcr wrote:
I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol
We have better things to comment about UTC.
Accordingly to many Burnley posters on here the "financial fair play regulations", will consign us to oblivion, if these reports are right they won't hurt us at all.

The other Burnley fan who posted on here says that you do "all your talking on the pitch. **** right you do, and that is why you've been silent for the last 35 years, only woke up last Sunday.
I know your hurting badly but just remind me who finished higher last season as well when you were nearly relegated? By the way a loss today and its ominous again.
[quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol[/p][/quote]We have better things to comment about UTC.[/p][/quote]Accordingly to many Burnley posters on here the "financial fair play regulations", will consign us to oblivion, if these reports are right they won't hurt us at all. The other Burnley fan who posted on here says that you do "all your talking on the pitch. **** right you do, and that is why you've been silent for the last 35 years, only woke up last Sunday.[/p][/quote]I know your hurting badly but just remind me who finished higher last season as well when you were nearly relegated? By the way a loss today and its ominous again. tall in the saddle
  • Score: 0

10:23am Sat 15 Mar 14

magik_thighs says...

more bans than ray - brfc lxxv wrote:
magik_thighs wrote:
more bans than ray - brfc lxxv wrote:
Super_Clarets wrote:
Love all the false optimism that the no-dads have to cover themselves with these days. Of course financial fair play will be brought into effect and of course it will be harsh, and rightly so, our game is now teetering on the brink and if drastic measures are not taken to reduce the overspend then at the current rate we will see far more clubs going the way of Portsmouth. FFP is here to PREVENT that and although it will kill clubs like Blackburn Rovers forcing them to adhere to the rules that govern the rest of us and to develop their own talent for once, the game will be in a much healthier position as a result. So suck it up no-dads, this is once again a sham article pushed forward to lift the mood in the rapidly declining, soon to be bottom half, beaten at home by the Clarets, bitter, jealous, angry Blackburn camp. Much like the Rhodes 5 year contract nonsense that was used before the Derby game, and for the same reason the 10 greatest no-dad moments article was removed, it hurts you clowns sooooooo much to see how far you have fallen in every single aspect of the game. In summary just more pathetic self serving codsh!t to make you mugs feel better about your disastrous season.
FFP is on the way whether you like it or not. Clubs have been adjusting and scaling down for two years in preparation yet you jumped up nobodies seem to think you're an exception. Astounding arrogance. You will get what you deserve, no more, no less, but you will learn that your free ride is now over.
".....forcing them to adhere to the rules that govern the rest of us and to develop their own talent for once"

Ever heard of James Beattie, Shay Given, David Dunn, Damien Duff or Phil Jones?

All products of Blackburn Rovers, all sold in multi million pound deals, all full internationals..... and you think we're jealous and bitter of your club?

You make me hurt with laughter and I'm serious, you do actually make me laugh out loud. I have this disturbing vision of you being a cross between Alan Partridge and David Brent just sat creating account after account whilst throwing darts at a David Dunn poster you crazy Rovers obsessed geek.

Once again you've successfully made yourself look like a complete & utter f*ckwit.

But I like you. You represent the town of Burnley and billions of supporters perfectly - I'm sure they're proud of you.
Yes.....but all that was bought and payed for by uncle mad-jack.....you dick!!
That would have never happened without a rich benefactor who had pumped money into a $hitty little club. You just don`t get it do you!!

Every comment you post brings down the IQ of the whole thread.

You have won/achieved nothing at all, its been bought for you!
All what was payed for by Jack? What planet are you sh*t head?

They were trainees that came through the ranks as kids or did Jack Walker pay some amateur Irish club £20 million for Damien Duff on the hush hush? Maybe he payed David Dunns parents £15 million and another £2mil to keep em quiet? Maybe you know these players personally or was their agent back then?

''You have won/achieved nothing at all, its been bought for you!''.... only on planet dingle

And you suggest I bring the IQ of the thread down!
So Walker didn`t pay for anything? Didn`t use any of his own money to bankroll Rovers?
You better stay off the Ketamine.....its meant for your horse!!
[quote][p][bold]more bans than ray - brfc lxxv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]magik_thighs[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]more bans than ray - brfc lxxv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: Love all the false optimism that the no-dads have to cover themselves with these days. Of course financial fair play will be brought into effect and of course it will be harsh, and rightly so, our game is now teetering on the brink and if drastic measures are not taken to reduce the overspend then at the current rate we will see far more clubs going the way of Portsmouth. FFP is here to PREVENT that and although it will kill clubs like Blackburn Rovers forcing them to adhere to the rules that govern the rest of us and to develop their own talent for once, the game will be in a much healthier position as a result. So suck it up no-dads, this is once again a sham article pushed forward to lift the mood in the rapidly declining, soon to be bottom half, beaten at home by the Clarets, bitter, jealous, angry Blackburn camp. Much like the Rhodes 5 year contract nonsense that was used before the Derby game, and for the same reason the 10 greatest no-dad moments article was removed, it hurts you clowns sooooooo much to see how far you have fallen in every single aspect of the game. In summary just more pathetic self serving codsh!t to make you mugs feel better about your disastrous season. FFP is on the way whether you like it or not. Clubs have been adjusting and scaling down for two years in preparation yet you jumped up nobodies seem to think you're an exception. Astounding arrogance. You will get what you deserve, no more, no less, but you will learn that your free ride is now over.[/p][/quote]".....forcing them to adhere to the rules that govern the rest of us and to develop their own talent for once" Ever heard of James Beattie, Shay Given, David Dunn, Damien Duff or Phil Jones? All products of Blackburn Rovers, all sold in multi million pound deals, all full internationals..... and you think we're jealous and bitter of your club? You make me hurt with laughter and I'm serious, you do actually make me laugh out loud. I have this disturbing vision of you being a cross between Alan Partridge and David Brent just sat creating account after account whilst throwing darts at a David Dunn poster you crazy Rovers obsessed geek. Once again you've successfully made yourself look like a complete & utter f*ckwit. But I like you. You represent the town of Burnley and billions of supporters perfectly - I'm sure they're proud of you.[/p][/quote]Yes.....but all that was bought and payed for by uncle mad-jack.....you dick!! That would have never happened without a rich benefactor who had pumped money into a $hitty little club. You just don`t get it do you!! Every comment you post brings down the IQ of the whole thread. You have won/achieved nothing at all, its been bought for you![/p][/quote]All what was payed for by Jack? What planet are you sh*t head? They were trainees that came through the ranks as kids or did Jack Walker pay some amateur Irish club £20 million for Damien Duff on the hush hush? Maybe he payed David Dunns parents £15 million and another £2mil to keep em quiet? Maybe you know these players personally or was their agent back then? ''You have won/achieved nothing at all, its been bought for you!''.... only on planet dingle And you suggest I bring the IQ of the thread down![/p][/quote]So Walker didn`t pay for anything? Didn`t use any of his own money to bankroll Rovers? You better stay off the Ketamine.....its meant for your horse!! magik_thighs
  • Score: 1

10:39am Sat 15 Mar 14

baldie says...

Super_Clarets wrote:
more bans than ray - brfc lxxv wrote:
Super_Clarets wrote:
more bans than ray - brfc lxxv wrote:
Super_Clarets wrote:
mammamiauk wrote:
adcr wrote:
I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol
Don't speak too soon. Those Burnley trolls will be back before you know it, the best way is not to respond to them as they absolutely love annoying us Rovers fans and nothing pleases these trolls more than us responding to their comments/postings. They also have nothing better to do than be obsessed with the Rovers as they know that their club will never achieve what Rovers have achieved.
We beat you at Ewood you mug.

24 points
5 years
Look up!
We beat you multiple times at Ewood & Turf

2 Divisions higher for 6 years

35 years unbeaten

The benchmark has been set

Mua ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
And it cost you over £100million to do so.

And where are you now?
And where is all the money now?
And where are the Clarets now?

Think about it moron.
It didn't cost a penny to spend 6 seasons 2 divisions above you.

You're 2nd in the Championship - been there, seen it, done it - also without a penny spent.

Another f*ckwit moment for you eh?

Think before you post clown.

Actually don't, I enjoy a good laugh and you never fail to deliver.
Blackburn Rovers 1 - 2 Burnley,

Explain that one f*ckwit?

Hahaha, we beat you at Ewood!

24 points!
5 years
Keep looking up Mungo!
At Ewood,yes.
36 years at 'Turf.
[quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]more bans than ray - brfc lxxv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]more bans than ray - brfc lxxv[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mammamiauk[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol[/p][/quote]Don't speak too soon. Those Burnley trolls will be back before you know it, the best way is not to respond to them as they absolutely love annoying us Rovers fans and nothing pleases these trolls more than us responding to their comments/postings. They also have nothing better to do than be obsessed with the Rovers as they know that their club will never achieve what Rovers have achieved.[/p][/quote]We beat you at Ewood you mug. 24 points 5 years Look up![/p][/quote]We beat you multiple times at Ewood & Turf 2 Divisions higher for 6 years 35 years unbeaten The benchmark has been set Mua ha ha ha ha ha ha ha[/p][/quote]And it cost you over £100million to do so. And where are you now? And where is all the money now? And where are the Clarets now? Think about it moron.[/p][/quote]It didn't cost a penny to spend 6 seasons 2 divisions above you. You're 2nd in the Championship - been there, seen it, done it - also without a penny spent. Another f*ckwit moment for you eh? Think before you post clown. Actually don't, I enjoy a good laugh and you never fail to deliver.[/p][/quote]Blackburn Rovers 1 - 2 Burnley, Explain that one f*ckwit? Hahaha, we beat you at Ewood! 24 points! 5 years Keep looking up Mungo![/p][/quote]At Ewood,yes. 36 years at 'Turf. baldie
  • Score: 0

10:53am Sat 15 Mar 14

baldie says...

FCBurnley wrote:
Very interesting comments. Some fair and some stupid as usual. Probably inevitable that it would develop into a Burnley v Rovers thing.

Lets look at the facts. Rovers did not agree to the rules, however they knew the rules when they joined The Championship and were therefore bound by them.

Burnley also knew the rules

Rovers have broken the rules ( as they stand)
Burnley have not.

What choices do the FL have ? Only 2......Change the rules or not.

If they decide to leave the rules as they stand then the Leicesters and Rovers of this world will object.

If they change the rules then the FL will in effect be punishing the clubs who have adhered to the rules. So for example a club like Middlesboro will surely take action against the League based on the grounds that without FFP in place they would have invested more money and potentially been promoted.

So in summary, change the rules and face a legal challenge.
Keep the rules and face a legal challenge.

Looks like a lose/lose for the league to me. Do they support the clubs who have broken the rules or the ones who have abided by them.

Surely any changes they make can only be implemented in the future and not retrospectively.
Agreed,but there's no point having rules if they aren't achievable by everyone.
[quote][p][bold]FCBurnley[/bold] wrote: Very interesting comments. Some fair and some stupid as usual. Probably inevitable that it would develop into a Burnley v Rovers thing. Lets look at the facts. Rovers did not agree to the rules, however they knew the rules when they joined The Championship and were therefore bound by them. Burnley also knew the rules Rovers have broken the rules ( as they stand) Burnley have not. What choices do the FL have ? Only 2......Change the rules or not. If they decide to leave the rules as they stand then the Leicesters and Rovers of this world will object. If they change the rules then the FL will in effect be punishing the clubs who have adhered to the rules. So for example a club like Middlesboro will surely take action against the League based on the grounds that without FFP in place they would have invested more money and potentially been promoted. So in summary, change the rules and face a legal challenge. Keep the rules and face a legal challenge. Looks like a lose/lose for the league to me. Do they support the clubs who have broken the rules or the ones who have abided by them. Surely any changes they make can only be implemented in the future and not retrospectively.[/p][/quote]Agreed,but there's no point having rules if they aren't achievable by everyone. baldie
  • Score: 2

12:24pm Sat 15 Mar 14

adcr says...

tall in the saddle wrote:
adcr wrote:
andy1 wrote:
adcr wrote:
I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol
We have better things to comment about UTC.
Accordingly to many Burnley posters on here the "financial fair play regulations", will consign us to oblivion, if these reports are right they won't hurt us at all.

The other Burnley fan who posted on here says that you do "all your talking on the pitch. **** right you do, and that is why you've been silent for the last 35 years, only woke up last Sunday.
I know your hurting badly but just remind me who finished higher last season as well when you were nearly relegated? By the way a loss today and its ominous again.
We are seventeen points clear of relegation. We would have to lose every gamefrom now to be at risk this year.

Last year you finished with three more points than us, so you must have been flirting with relegation yourselves. And last year was our worst season in about 30+ years.

Is that good enough for ya. Enjoy your one season in the Premier League.
[quote][p][bold]tall in the saddle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adcr[/bold] wrote: I wonder why there are no comments from Burnley fans on here. Lol[/p][/quote]We have better things to comment about UTC.[/p][/quote]Accordingly to many Burnley posters on here the "financial fair play regulations", will consign us to oblivion, if these reports are right they won't hurt us at all. The other Burnley fan who posted on here says that you do "all your talking on the pitch. **** right you do, and that is why you've been silent for the last 35 years, only woke up last Sunday.[/p][/quote]I know your hurting badly but just remind me who finished higher last season as well when you were nearly relegated? By the way a loss today and its ominous again.[/p][/quote]We are seventeen points clear of relegation. We would have to lose every gamefrom now to be at risk this year. Last year you finished with three more points than us, so you must have been flirting with relegation yourselves. And last year was our worst season in about 30+ years. Is that good enough for ya. Enjoy your one season in the Premier League. adcr
  • Score: 2

12:29pm Sat 15 Mar 14

adcr says...

u owe u owe wrote:
Oh dear, someone who copied and pasted this report left out an important chunk of text, the part where Scudamore talks about X and Y and how they're vastly different, how some will struggle to match Y when their set up for X. He does go on to say more, read it for yourselves.

Nothing about scrapping or postponing the FFP, just some lazy reporting.

Scudamore didn't he want PL matches played abroad, or on the moon, well something ridiculous like that.
Harvey is that the same bloke who was CEO of Bradford's top flight days right through to liquidation, then didn't he work his Magic on Leeds.
Lunatics have taken over the asylum!
Never mind the XYZ's you stick with your dot to dot's. I predict lots of time in courts and then a partial re-writing of the rules as they stand. It's the sensible thing to do. Watch this space.
[quote][p][bold]u owe u owe[/bold] wrote: Oh dear, someone who copied and pasted this report left out an important chunk of text, the part where Scudamore talks about X and Y and how they're vastly different, how some will struggle to match Y when their set up for X. He does go on to say more, read it for yourselves. Nothing about scrapping or postponing the FFP, just some lazy reporting. Scudamore didn't he want PL matches played abroad, or on the moon, well something ridiculous like that. Harvey is that the same bloke who was CEO of Bradford's top flight days right through to liquidation, then didn't he work his Magic on Leeds. Lunatics have taken over the asylum![/p][/quote]Never mind the XYZ's you stick with your dot to dot's. I predict lots of time in courts and then a partial re-writing of the rules as they stand. It's the sensible thing to do. Watch this space. adcr
  • Score: 2

1:41pm Sat 15 Mar 14

owd nick says...

fairplayfan wrote:
owd nick wrote:
fairplayfan wrote:
"We did not agree to the FFP regulations they were imposed on us. You just want to move the goalposts. The rules are pernicious and aren't about reducing debt, it is about the smaller teams (Burnley etc.) wanting to boost their chances of promotion. And that's all it is……

A better way would be to talk to the teams involved and force them to come up with and demonstrate a plan that reduces their debt gradually over a longer period. And if they don’t stick to the agreed plan then punish them."

acdr, the implementation of FFP came about because of a democratic vote of Chairmen of clubs who are/were in the Football League. These regulations were not unknown to clubs who may be relegated from the PL, therefore, they were not imposed on you until you got relegated. You are now in your second year in the Championship so you have had time to make adjustments, however, it appears that Rovers, along with a few other clubs, just want to ignore the regulations. I suggest it is not the clubs who are going along with the regulations that are doing the bullying, it is those few clubs with foreign/wealthy owners that are trying to bully the League into changing the regulations for their own benefit.
Same question to you, "If Burnley were in the same position as Rovers would you want them to be penalised?".

Next question, "If a billionaire comes along next season and offers to buy Burnley and invest, say £500 million what would you think of FFP rules then?"

Because he wouldn't be able to.
I'm a Hartlepool fan who responded to an accusation of smaller clubs trying to bully their way into the PL. I merely pointed out that it is those clubs who do not wish to conform that are doing the bullying.
No-one is doing any bullying as far as I am concerned and I totally support all clubs living within their means.

But at the end of the day I think FFP as it currently stands will be a total disaster for all but the clubs at the very top.
[quote][p][bold]fairplayfan[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fairplayfan[/bold] wrote: "We did not agree to the FFP regulations they were imposed on us. You just want to move the goalposts. The rules are pernicious and aren't about reducing debt, it is about the smaller teams (Burnley etc.) wanting to boost their chances of promotion. And that's all it is…… A better way would be to talk to the teams involved and force them to come up with and demonstrate a plan that reduces their debt gradually over a longer period. And if they don’t stick to the agreed plan then punish them." acdr, the implementation of FFP came about because of a democratic vote of Chairmen of clubs who are/were in the Football League. These regulations were not unknown to clubs who may be relegated from the PL, therefore, they were not imposed on you until you got relegated. You are now in your second year in the Championship so you have had time to make adjustments, however, it appears that Rovers, along with a few other clubs, just want to ignore the regulations. I suggest it is not the clubs who are going along with the regulations that are doing the bullying, it is those few clubs with foreign/wealthy owners that are trying to bully the League into changing the regulations for their own benefit.[/p][/quote]Same question to you, "If Burnley were in the same position as Rovers would you want them to be penalised?". Next question, "If a billionaire comes along next season and offers to buy Burnley and invest, say £500 million what would you think of FFP rules then?" Because he wouldn't be able to.[/p][/quote]I'm a Hartlepool fan who responded to an accusation of smaller clubs trying to bully their way into the PL. I merely pointed out that it is those clubs who do not wish to conform that are doing the bullying.[/p][/quote]No-one is doing any bullying as far as I am concerned and I totally support all clubs living within their means. But at the end of the day I think FFP as it currently stands will be a total disaster for all but the clubs at the very top. owd nick
  • Score: -1

1:59pm Sat 15 Mar 14

u owe u owe says...

Predict away, 72 clubs have a say, majority rules and all that. So go pick up your toys and your dummy, then go sit on the naughty step.
X and Y was a example from MR Scudamore not myself, you're just too stupid to Google and read the full story.
Research the facts before expressing your thoughts, it would be the most sensible thing you could do.
Predict away, 72 clubs have a say, majority rules and all that. So go pick up your toys and your dummy, then go sit on the naughty step. X and Y was a example from MR Scudamore not myself, you're just too stupid to Google and read the full story. Research the facts before expressing your thoughts, it would be the most sensible thing you could do. u owe u owe
  • Score: 1

2:23pm Sat 15 Mar 14

owd nick says...

u owe u owe wrote:
Predict away, 72 clubs have a say, majority rules and all that. So go pick up your toys and your dummy, then go sit on the naughty step.
X and Y was a example from MR Scudamore not myself, you're just too stupid to Google and read the full story.
Research the facts before expressing your thoughts, it would be the most sensible thing you could do.
Some of us have researched the facts.

It isn't stupid to question rules you don't agree with, it is stupid to blindly accept them just to please others.

If at the end of any review the situation doesn't change then I will accept whatever happens in good faith.
[quote][p][bold]u owe u owe[/bold] wrote: Predict away, 72 clubs have a say, majority rules and all that. So go pick up your toys and your dummy, then go sit on the naughty step. X and Y was a example from MR Scudamore not myself, you're just too stupid to Google and read the full story. Research the facts before expressing your thoughts, it would be the most sensible thing you could do.[/p][/quote]Some of us have researched the facts. It isn't stupid to question rules you don't agree with, it is stupid to blindly accept them just to please others. If at the end of any review the situation doesn't change then I will accept whatever happens in good faith. owd nick
  • Score: 0

3:47pm Sat 15 Mar 14

The Epicurian says...

Super_Clarets wrote:
Love all the false optimism that the no-dads have to cover themselves with these days. Of course financial fair play will be brought into effect and of course it will be harsh, and rightly so, our game is now teetering on the brink and if drastic measures are not taken to reduce the overspend then at the current rate we will see far more clubs going the way of Portsmouth. FFP is here to PREVENT that and although it will kill clubs like Blackburn Rovers forcing them to adhere to the rules that govern the rest of us and to develop their own talent for once, the game will be in a much healthier position as a result. So suck it up no-dads, this is once again a sham article pushed forward to lift the mood in the rapidly declining, soon to be bottom half, beaten at home by the Clarets, bitter, jealous, angry Blackburn camp. Much like the Rhodes 5 year contract nonsense that was used before the Derby game, and for the same reason the 10 greatest no-dad moments article was removed, it hurts you clowns sooooooo much to see how far you have fallen in every single aspect of the game. In summary just more pathetic self serving codsh!t to make you mugs feel better about your disastrous season.
FFP is on the way whether you like it or not. Clubs have been adjusting and scaling down for two years in preparation yet you jumped up nobodies seem to think you're an exception. Astounding arrogance. You will get what you deserve, no more, no less, but you will learn that your free ride is now over.
You are a buffoon.
[quote][p][bold]Super_Clarets[/bold] wrote: Love all the false optimism that the no-dads have to cover themselves with these days. Of course financial fair play will be brought into effect and of course it will be harsh, and rightly so, our game is now teetering on the brink and if drastic measures are not taken to reduce the overspend then at the current rate we will see far more clubs going the way of Portsmouth. FFP is here to PREVENT that and although it will kill clubs like Blackburn Rovers forcing them to adhere to the rules that govern the rest of us and to develop their own talent for once, the game will be in a much healthier position as a result. So suck it up no-dads, this is once again a sham article pushed forward to lift the mood in the rapidly declining, soon to be bottom half, beaten at home by the Clarets, bitter, jealous, angry Blackburn camp. Much like the Rhodes 5 year contract nonsense that was used before the Derby game, and for the same reason the 10 greatest no-dad moments article was removed, it hurts you clowns sooooooo much to see how far you have fallen in every single aspect of the game. In summary just more pathetic self serving codsh!t to make you mugs feel better about your disastrous season. FFP is on the way whether you like it or not. Clubs have been adjusting and scaling down for two years in preparation yet you jumped up nobodies seem to think you're an exception. Astounding arrogance. You will get what you deserve, no more, no less, but you will learn that your free ride is now over.[/p][/quote]You are a buffoon. The Epicurian
  • Score: 0

5:09pm Sat 15 Mar 14

adcr says...

u owe u owe wrote:
Predict away, 72 clubs have a say, majority rules and all that. So go pick up your toys and your dummy, then go sit on the naughty step.
X and Y was a example from MR Scudamore not myself, you're just too stupid to Google and read the full story.
Research the facts before expressing your thoughts, it would be the most sensible thing you could do.
Really, well I will pull you out some quotes that I have read. From what I can make out talks are underway to find a better way forward. So you and the 72 other clubs can vote for what they want pal, doesn't automatically mean you will get your way. And as half of the clubs in the Championship would face sanctions this time they might vote differently, don't you think.:

By going public with his concerns and revealing that the Premier League is in talks with the Football League to agree a way of better managing the gulf between their rulebooks, Richard Scudamore, the Premier League's chief executive, could sound the death knell for the rules in their current form.

"I think the Championship clubs and the Football League themselves are taking a long hard look at what they have done with their own rules," said Scudamore.

" Asked whether it was desirable for around half of the Championship's clubs to be in breach of the Football League's rules, Scudamore said: "If that is right, as a regulator you don't want to get yourself into a position where half your clubs will breach the rules, that's really not where you want to be."


Source: http://www.theguardi
an.com/football/2014
/mar/14/financial-fa
ir-play-rules-unsust
ainable-richard-scud
amore-premier-league
[quote][p][bold]u owe u owe[/bold] wrote: Predict away, 72 clubs have a say, majority rules and all that. So go pick up your toys and your dummy, then go sit on the naughty step. X and Y was a example from MR Scudamore not myself, you're just too stupid to Google and read the full story. Research the facts before expressing your thoughts, it would be the most sensible thing you could do.[/p][/quote]Really, well I will pull you out some quotes that I have read. From what I can make out talks are underway to find a better way forward. So you and the 72 other clubs can vote for what they want pal, doesn't automatically mean you will get your way. And as half of the clubs in the Championship would face sanctions this time they might vote differently, don't you think.: By going public with his concerns and revealing that the Premier League is in talks with the Football League to agree a way of better managing the gulf between their rulebooks, Richard Scudamore, the Premier League's chief executive, could sound the death knell for the rules in their current form. "I think the Championship clubs and the Football League themselves are taking a long hard look at what they have done with their own rules," said Scudamore. " Asked whether it was desirable for around half of the Championship's clubs to be in breach of the Football League's rules, Scudamore said: "If that is right, as a regulator you don't want to get yourself into a position where half your clubs will breach the rules, that's really not where you want to be." Source: http://www.theguardi an.com/football/2014 /mar/14/financial-fa ir-play-rules-unsust ainable-richard-scud amore-premier-league adcr
  • Score: 1

5:28pm Sat 15 Mar 14

adcr says...

So "you owe, you owe. How can you square your quote “Nothing about scrapping or postponing the FFP, just some lazy reporting", with the quotes below from the Guardian. Which I will say again will almost certainly result in a change to the rules. Not lazy reporting, but misinformed research by you.

"I think the Championship clubs and the Football League themselves are taking a long hard look at what they have done with their own rules," said Scudamore.

" Asked whether it was desirable for around half of the Championship's clubs to be in breach of the Football League's rules, Scudamore said: "If that is right, as a regulator you don't want to get yourself into a position where half your clubs will breach the rules, that's really not where you want to be."
So "you owe, you owe. How can you square your quote “Nothing about scrapping or postponing the FFP, just some lazy reporting", with the quotes below from the Guardian. Which I will say again will almost certainly result in a change to the rules. Not lazy reporting, but misinformed research by you. "I think the Championship clubs and the Football League themselves are taking a long hard look at what they have done with their own rules," said Scudamore. " Asked whether it was desirable for around half of the Championship's clubs to be in breach of the Football League's rules, Scudamore said: "If that is right, as a regulator you don't want to get yourself into a position where half your clubs will breach the rules, that's really not where you want to be." adcr
  • Score: 1

7:28pm Sat 15 Mar 14

u owe u owe says...

"There needs to be some proportionate
linkage because we have our rules which allow X
and their rules that only allow Y and if you can't
bridge that delta then it's difficult. But certainly we
are in discussions with them about how we might
be able to reconcile that."
He added: "Their numbers wouldn't work for us and
our numbers wouldn't work for them."

Taken from same report as yours adcr, so why ignore and omit?
"There needs to be some proportionate linkage because we have our rules which allow X and their rules that only allow Y and if you can't bridge that delta then it's difficult. But certainly we are in discussions with them about how we might be able to reconcile that." He added: "Their numbers wouldn't work for us and our numbers wouldn't work for them." Taken from same report as yours adcr, so why ignore and omit? u owe u owe
  • Score: -1

9:44pm Sat 15 Mar 14

adcr says...

u owe u owe wrote:
"There needs to be some proportionate
linkage because we have our rules which allow X
and their rules that only allow Y and if you can't
bridge that delta then it's difficult. But certainly we
are in discussions with them about how we might
be able to reconcile that."
He added: "Their numbers wouldn't work for us and
our numbers wouldn't work for them."

Taken from same report as yours adcr, so why ignore and omit?
Correct but that paragraph doesn't enlighten my or your argument. All they are saying is they both have different rules and a way needs to be found to make both sets of rules fit together. That throwaway sentence isn’t really the gist of the report anyway.

Whereas the quotes I listed include the line this "could sound the death knell for the rules in their current form". Admittedly it doesn't say that the embargoes and fines will be stopped, but as the main sticking points are the embargoes and fines, I don't see any other course of action, particularly as about half of the Championship is currently failing the rules and turkeys don’t vote for Christmas.

I am puzzled about what you think there intentions are. Do you think they will do nothing, or just make a few technical changes? My assessment of the report in the Guardian is that it suggests the FFP rules are going to undergo some significant changes.
[quote][p][bold]u owe u owe[/bold] wrote: "There needs to be some proportionate linkage because we have our rules which allow X and their rules that only allow Y and if you can't bridge that delta then it's difficult. But certainly we are in discussions with them about how we might be able to reconcile that." He added: "Their numbers wouldn't work for us and our numbers wouldn't work for them." Taken from same report as yours adcr, so why ignore and omit?[/p][/quote]Correct but that paragraph doesn't enlighten my or your argument. All they are saying is they both have different rules and a way needs to be found to make both sets of rules fit together. That throwaway sentence isn’t really the gist of the report anyway. Whereas the quotes I listed include the line this "could sound the death knell for the rules in their current form". Admittedly it doesn't say that the embargoes and fines will be stopped, but as the main sticking points are the embargoes and fines, I don't see any other course of action, particularly as about half of the Championship is currently failing the rules and turkeys don’t vote for Christmas. I am puzzled about what you think there intentions are. Do you think they will do nothing, or just make a few technical changes? My assessment of the report in the Guardian is that it suggests the FFP rules are going to undergo some significant changes. adcr
  • Score: 2

2:55pm Mon 17 Mar 14

Stretch_22 says...

Sadly FFP will favour clubs with average gates of 30k +
This means the Blackburns, Boltons, Wigans, Burnleys, etc will struggle to succeed in this environment. Clubs like West Ham, Forest, Derby will be in an advantageous position over clubs that are living on top of each other as is the case in Lancashire.
For that reason I am against it, the money that comes in to the Premier League should be distributed better over the football league, perhaps an allocation of 50% to Premier League Clubs, 25% Championship, 12.5% League one and two, would make it slightly fairer, I dont know.
As for the Burnley d!ck measuring that is still going on, I feel sorry for you. You have had your best season ever, the match with Rovers was over a week ago, and yet you still bang on about it. Match our record and success, then start gloating...
Sadly FFP will favour clubs with average gates of 30k + This means the Blackburns, Boltons, Wigans, Burnleys, etc will struggle to succeed in this environment. Clubs like West Ham, Forest, Derby will be in an advantageous position over clubs that are living on top of each other as is the case in Lancashire. For that reason I am against it, the money that comes in to the Premier League should be distributed better over the football league, perhaps an allocation of 50% to Premier League Clubs, 25% Championship, 12.5% League one and two, would make it slightly fairer, I dont know. As for the Burnley d!ck measuring that is still going on, I feel sorry for you. You have had your best season ever, the match with Rovers was over a week ago, and yet you still bang on about it. Match our record and success, then start gloating... Stretch_22
  • Score: 0

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