Blackburn Rovers boss frustrated at more ref justice

This Is Lancashire: Gary Bowyer Gary Bowyer

BLACKBURN Rovers boss Gary Bowyer was once again left counting the cost of a penalty decision going against his side in Saturday’s 1-1 home draw with Derby County.

Seconds after Patrick Bamford’s stunning 84th-minute equaliser for the high-flying Rams, Rovers had a major spot-kick appeal turned down when Todd Kane appeared to be pushed in the box by Craig Forsyth.

Substitute Kane stayed on his feet before dragging a right-footed shot wide of the far post.

But Bowyer was adamant referee Tony Harrington should have pointed to the spot.

“It’s the second week running I’m talking about penalties that should or shouldn’t be given against us and at the moment we aren’t getting them,” said Bowyer, who saw shouts for two penalties waved away at Nottingham Forest.

“The rules of the game do not state that when you have a penalty you have to go down for it. Unfortunately the referee doesn’t see it like that. If it’s outside the box, guess what? It’s a free kick.

“If it’s inside the box, he doesn’t give it because he’s not gone down and it’s getting a bit tiring to be honest.”

Bowyer accepted that fourth-placed Derby deserved a draw.

He said: “They’re a good team, Steve McClaren has got them playing some good football.”

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1:51pm Mon 27 Jan 14

brown cow warrior says...

Stop moaning about referees and put a side out that can win a game regardless of the rub of the green.
Stop moaning about referees and put a side out that can win a game regardless of the rub of the green. brown cow warrior
  • Score: 18

1:59pm Mon 27 Jan 14

chicken.pluckers says...

Oh whinge, moan, ****, poor old Rovers, why does no one like us any more..

Yet another 2 points dropped due to tactically inept Bowyer in your desperate, and doomed to fail, attempt at clawing your way into the play-off's.

Your season, which was beginning to take shape, has now completely fallen apart. 1 point in 6, shipping out players left, right and centre, and dropping to 9th in the league at the end of January is a disaster.

Anything less than a convincing win tomorrow and surely Gary Bowyer has to do the decent thing and step down, he's obviously not up to managing in the Championship.
Oh whinge, moan, ****, poor old Rovers, why does no one like us any more.. Yet another 2 points dropped due to tactically inept Bowyer in your desperate, and doomed to fail, attempt at clawing your way into the play-off's. Your season, which was beginning to take shape, has now completely fallen apart. 1 point in 6, shipping out players left, right and centre, and dropping to 9th in the league at the end of January is a disaster. Anything less than a convincing win tomorrow and surely Gary Bowyer has to do the decent thing and step down, he's obviously not up to managing in the Championship. chicken.pluckers
  • Score: -34

2:04pm Mon 27 Jan 14

mickth says...

brown cow warrior wrote:
Stop moaning about referees and put a side out that can win a game regardless of the rub of the green.
Exactly, if Williamson hadn't messed up 5 minutes earlier it wouldn't have mattered.

More than that, noone at the games could argue that Derby didn't deserve at least a point, and Forest deserved all 3.

As we all know we have improved in most areas during the season, but nowhere near as much as both Forest and Derby have done since the first week of the season!

instead of moaning at the ref, we should be looking to see how we can copy the East Midlands by actually going out to attack teams.
[quote][p][bold]brown cow warrior[/bold] wrote: Stop moaning about referees and put a side out that can win a game regardless of the rub of the green.[/p][/quote]Exactly, if Williamson hadn't messed up 5 minutes earlier it wouldn't have mattered. More than that, noone at the games could argue that Derby didn't deserve at least a point, and Forest deserved all 3. As we all know we have improved in most areas during the season, but nowhere near as much as both Forest and Derby have done since the first week of the season! instead of moaning at the ref, we should be looking to see how we can copy the East Midlands by actually going out to attack teams. mickth
  • Score: 28

2:10pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Only1Garner says...

Come on Gary, don't tell me it was part of your game plan to win a penalty in the last minute to win the game, if you were as tactically astute as McClaren then we may have won, he made 3 substitutions that changed the game, you took of Gestede and left Rhodes on his own, we may as well play with 10 when you do that, in fact it was like playing with 9 after that as we played with 10 when you put Williamson on, what has Dunny got to do to get a game, with his legs tied together he is better than Boney M. Your a nice bloke Gary and have done well to get some stability, but as far as being a manager, you are well out of your depth when compared to the likes of McCaren and Redknapp.
Come on Gary, don't tell me it was part of your game plan to win a penalty in the last minute to win the game, if you were as tactically astute as McClaren then we may have won, he made 3 substitutions that changed the game, you took of Gestede and left Rhodes on his own, we may as well play with 10 when you do that, in fact it was like playing with 9 after that as we played with 10 when you put Williamson on, what has Dunny got to do to get a game, with his legs tied together he is better than Boney M. Your a nice bloke Gary and have done well to get some stability, but as far as being a manager, you are well out of your depth when compared to the likes of McCaren and Redknapp. Only1Garner
  • Score: 17

2:15pm Mon 27 Jan 14

GAZHAY says...

The headline should read:-
Blackburn Rovers fans frustrated at Bowyers negativity!!!!!
The headline should read:- Blackburn Rovers fans frustrated at Bowyers negativity!!!!! GAZHAY
  • Score: 17

2:15pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Ronaldpetercooper says...

Yes it could have been a penalty but Kane did not go down and chose to take advantage of a golden opportunity to score. he chose to play on and missed. A referee in such circumstances will allow the player to carry on but will nor give two chances to score. Please GB stop moaning about referees and ask whatever was a full back chosen to play in this position when we had better players more experienced and able to take advantage of such an opportunity sat on the bench. The mistake was yours in selection and not the referee.
Please Gb we think you are doing a good job but do retain some self respect and stop moaning.
Yes it could have been a penalty but Kane did not go down and chose to take advantage of a golden opportunity to score. he chose to play on and missed. A referee in such circumstances will allow the player to carry on but will nor give two chances to score. Please GB stop moaning about referees and ask whatever was a full back chosen to play in this position when we had better players more experienced and able to take advantage of such an opportunity sat on the bench. The mistake was yours in selection and not the referee. Please Gb we think you are doing a good job but do retain some self respect and stop moaning. Ronaldpetercooper
  • Score: 15

2:42pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Whydidtheybanme? says...

chicken.pluckers wrote:
Oh whinge, moan, ****, poor old Rovers, why does no one like us any more..

Yet another 2 points dropped due to tactically inept Bowyer in your desperate, and doomed to fail, attempt at clawing your way into the play-off's.

Your season, which was beginning to take shape, has now completely fallen apart. 1 point in 6, shipping out players left, right and centre, and dropping to 9th in the league at the end of January is a disaster.

Anything less than a convincing win tomorrow and surely Gary Bowyer has to do the decent thing and step down, he's obviously not up to managing in the Championship.
Good afternoon Mark (WLUV) - I see your obsession with BRFC is alive and well
[quote][p][bold]chicken.pluckers[/bold] wrote: Oh whinge, moan, ****, poor old Rovers, why does no one like us any more.. Yet another 2 points dropped due to tactically inept Bowyer in your desperate, and doomed to fail, attempt at clawing your way into the play-off's. Your season, which was beginning to take shape, has now completely fallen apart. 1 point in 6, shipping out players left, right and centre, and dropping to 9th in the league at the end of January is a disaster. Anything less than a convincing win tomorrow and surely Gary Bowyer has to do the decent thing and step down, he's obviously not up to managing in the Championship.[/p][/quote]Good afternoon Mark (WLUV) - I see your obsession with BRFC is alive and well Whydidtheybanme?
  • Score: 14

2:42pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Wild Rover says...

He is neither moaning nor making excuses, merely stating facts.
It was a penalty and the ref could have given it after allowing play as no advantage was had. Kane missed because he tried to stay on his feet and the push caused him to be at a difficult angle for the shot. The defender gained unfair advantage from the push inside the box.
How is that NOT a penalty?
Go down easy and you get booked for simulation , try to stay on your feet and you get nowt, hardly fair is it??
He is neither moaning nor making excuses, merely stating facts. It was a penalty and the ref could have given it after allowing play as no advantage was had. Kane missed because he tried to stay on his feet and the push caused him to be at a difficult angle for the shot. The defender gained unfair advantage from the push inside the box. How is that NOT a penalty? Go down easy and you get booked for simulation , try to stay on your feet and you get nowt, hardly fair is it?? Wild Rover
  • Score: 4

2:48pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Manuel Hung says...

I've got 2 choices for you here Gary.

1, Cry about it just like you did last time.

2, Go back to dishing out the bibs & cones.

You decide?
I've got 2 choices for you here Gary. 1, Cry about it just like you did last time. 2, Go back to dishing out the bibs & cones. You decide? Manuel Hung
  • Score: -12

2:49pm Mon 27 Jan 14

bburnrover says...

I agree that GB seems to blame "luck" or something for his poor results every team has to make its own luck you cannot rely on referees to provide you with penalties especially when the opposition had 65% of possession at the time.I think its about time he ceased putting poor performers in the side as both Willamson and Lowe and possibly Taylor do not perform to the standard required to get us promotion.We need two good players that will make the difference this week or we can whistle good bye to the play offs.
I agree that GB seems to blame "luck" or something for his poor results every team has to make its own luck you cannot rely on referees to provide you with penalties especially when the opposition had 65% of possession at the time.I think its about time he ceased putting poor performers in the side as both Willamson and Lowe and possibly Taylor do not perform to the standard required to get us promotion.We need two good players that will make the difference this week or we can whistle good bye to the play offs. bburnrover
  • Score: 13

2:56pm Mon 27 Jan 14

MxMave says...

Shouldn't be coming out blaming the ref for a game which by all rights we could easily have lost.

We are in desperate need of an attacking mid...
Shouldn't be coming out blaming the ref for a game which by all rights we could easily have lost. We are in desperate need of an attacking mid... MxMave
  • Score: 13

3:17pm Mon 27 Jan 14

brown cow warrior says...

Wild Rover wrote:
He is neither moaning nor making excuses, merely stating facts.
It was a penalty and the ref could have given it after allowing play as no advantage was had. Kane missed because he tried to stay on his feet and the push caused him to be at a difficult angle for the shot. The defender gained unfair advantage from the push inside the box.
How is that NOT a penalty?
Go down easy and you get booked for simulation , try to stay on your feet and you get nowt, hardly fair is it??
He IS moaning and making excuses and not just this time.........week in week out its blame this, blame that but never an apology for his own poor decision making. Its not as though he hasn't got the players to change a game, he simply doesn't seem to know when to use them and when things almost inevitably go wrong he goes to his default setting and blames others. Surely somebody on the coaching staff must be telling him he's getting it wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: He is neither moaning nor making excuses, merely stating facts. It was a penalty and the ref could have given it after allowing play as no advantage was had. Kane missed because he tried to stay on his feet and the push caused him to be at a difficult angle for the shot. The defender gained unfair advantage from the push inside the box. How is that NOT a penalty? Go down easy and you get booked for simulation , try to stay on your feet and you get nowt, hardly fair is it??[/p][/quote]He IS moaning and making excuses and not just this time.........week in week out its blame this, blame that but never an apology for his own poor decision making. Its not as though he hasn't got the players to change a game, he simply doesn't seem to know when to use them and when things almost inevitably go wrong he goes to his default setting and blames others. Surely somebody on the coaching staff must be telling him he's getting it wrong. brown cow warrior
  • Score: 2

3:32pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Harwoodstblue says...

MxMave wrote:
Shouldn't be coming out blaming the ref for a game which by all rights we could easily have lost.

We are in desperate need of an attacking mid...
Haven't had chance to comment till now but again too cautious tactics at home cost us points yet again. Defending too deep and inviting teams like Derby to come at you is asking for trouble, and we got it. Don't want to criticise individual players but we need two up front and an attacking midfield at home if we want to climb the league.
We're not good at defending a lead, being naïve , inexperienced or whatever it is. We can't do it so don't do it. It doesn't work and we're dropping too many points by trying to do this. Just using Allardyce as a comparison, he could defend a one goal lead all day at home but had the players and experience to do that. We don't it seems.
[quote][p][bold]MxMave[/bold] wrote: Shouldn't be coming out blaming the ref for a game which by all rights we could easily have lost. We are in desperate need of an attacking mid...[/p][/quote]Haven't had chance to comment till now but again too cautious tactics at home cost us points yet again. Defending too deep and inviting teams like Derby to come at you is asking for trouble, and we got it. Don't want to criticise individual players but we need two up front and an attacking midfield at home if we want to climb the league. We're not good at defending a lead, being naïve , inexperienced or whatever it is. We can't do it so don't do it. It doesn't work and we're dropping too many points by trying to do this. Just using Allardyce as a comparison, he could defend a one goal lead all day at home but had the players and experience to do that. We don't it seems. Harwoodstblue
  • Score: 10

3:35pm Mon 27 Jan 14

SteppBladder says...

GB was merely responding to questions in an interview when he talked about the referee - it's on the Rovers website. He made a fair point, what's wrong with that? Anybody who was at the Forest match knows that the referee had a shocker and there was a disputed penalty incident on Saturday. Surely the manager has every right to discuss those incidents in an interview.
GB was merely responding to questions in an interview when he talked about the referee - it's on the Rovers website. He made a fair point, what's wrong with that? Anybody who was at the Forest match knows that the referee had a shocker and there was a disputed penalty incident on Saturday. Surely the manager has every right to discuss those incidents in an interview. SteppBladder
  • Score: 7

3:40pm Mon 27 Jan 14

SteppBladder says...

Only1Garner wrote:
Come on Gary, don't tell me it was part of your game plan to win a penalty in the last minute to win the game, if you were as tactically astute as McClaren then we may have won, he made 3 substitutions that changed the game, you took of Gestede and left Rhodes on his own, we may as well play with 10 when you do that, in fact it was like playing with 9 after that as we played with 10 when you put Williamson on, what has Dunny got to do to get a game, with his legs tied together he is better than Boney M. Your a nice bloke Gary and have done well to get some stability, but as far as being a manager, you are well out of your depth when compared to the likes of McCaren and Redknapp.
GB has been a manger for 6 months and has turned round a team that was in freefall. McClaren and Redknap have had a tad more experience I think so I’m not sure the comparison is valid.
[quote][p][bold]Only1Garner[/bold] wrote: Come on Gary, don't tell me it was part of your game plan to win a penalty in the last minute to win the game, if you were as tactically astute as McClaren then we may have won, he made 3 substitutions that changed the game, you took of Gestede and left Rhodes on his own, we may as well play with 10 when you do that, in fact it was like playing with 9 after that as we played with 10 when you put Williamson on, what has Dunny got to do to get a game, with his legs tied together he is better than Boney M. Your a nice bloke Gary and have done well to get some stability, but as far as being a manager, you are well out of your depth when compared to the likes of McCaren and Redknapp.[/p][/quote]GB has been a manger for 6 months and has turned round a team that was in freefall. McClaren and Redknap have had a tad more experience I think so I’m not sure the comparison is valid. SteppBladder
  • Score: 10

3:41pm Mon 27 Jan 14

chicken.pluckers says...

Not wanting to panic you no-dads any more than you already are but with the weak squad that you currently have combined with an inability to defend a lead and a tendency to defend so deep at home against the lesser clubs, the top sides, Burnley in particular with the most potent strike partnership in the country, are going to tear you apart.

Perhaps now is the time for Bowyer to return to his under 12's coaching role? Just a thought.
Not wanting to panic you no-dads any more than you already are but with the weak squad that you currently have combined with an inability to defend a lead and a tendency to defend so deep at home against the lesser clubs, the top sides, Burnley in particular with the most potent strike partnership in the country, are going to tear you apart. Perhaps now is the time for Bowyer to return to his under 12's coaching role? Just a thought. chicken.pluckers
  • Score: -13

3:58pm Mon 27 Jan 14

ChrisDeBerg says...

brown cow warrior wrote:
Wild Rover wrote:
He is neither moaning nor making excuses, merely stating facts.
It was a penalty and the ref could have given it after allowing play as no advantage was had. Kane missed because he tried to stay on his feet and the push caused him to be at a difficult angle for the shot. The defender gained unfair advantage from the push inside the box.
How is that NOT a penalty?
Go down easy and you get booked for simulation , try to stay on your feet and you get nowt, hardly fair is it??
He IS moaning and making excuses and not just this time.........week in week out its blame this, blame that but never an apology for his own poor decision making. Its not as though he hasn't got the players to change a game, he simply doesn't seem to know when to use them and when things almost inevitably go wrong he goes to his default setting and blames others. Surely somebody on the coaching staff must be telling him he's getting it wrong.
If he thought his tactical decisions were wrong then he would have made different ones wouldn't he?
[quote][p][bold]brown cow warrior[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: He is neither moaning nor making excuses, merely stating facts. It was a penalty and the ref could have given it after allowing play as no advantage was had. Kane missed because he tried to stay on his feet and the push caused him to be at a difficult angle for the shot. The defender gained unfair advantage from the push inside the box. How is that NOT a penalty? Go down easy and you get booked for simulation , try to stay on your feet and you get nowt, hardly fair is it??[/p][/quote]He IS moaning and making excuses and not just this time.........week in week out its blame this, blame that but never an apology for his own poor decision making. Its not as though he hasn't got the players to change a game, he simply doesn't seem to know when to use them and when things almost inevitably go wrong he goes to his default setting and blames others. Surely somebody on the coaching staff must be telling him he's getting it wrong.[/p][/quote]If he thought his tactical decisions were wrong then he would have made different ones wouldn't he? ChrisDeBerg
  • Score: -3

4:32pm Mon 27 Jan 14

FCBurnley says...

Yeah Yeah. Some old boring rhetoric. No doubt Rhodes equalizer at Turf Moor was a stunning 20 yd volley. Time to wake up and smell the coffee Bowyer. You are not good enough even for Woevers.
Yeah Yeah. Some old boring rhetoric. No doubt Rhodes equalizer at Turf Moor was a stunning 20 yd volley. Time to wake up and smell the coffee Bowyer. You are not good enough even for Woevers. FCBurnley
  • Score: -8

4:35pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Steven Seagull says...

Shhhhhhh listen........what's that noise Gary?

It's The sound of the world's smallest violin playing!!!


Stop crying Gary and man up!
Shhhhhhh listen........what's that noise Gary? It's The sound of the world's smallest violin playing!!! Stop crying Gary and man up! Steven Seagull
  • Score: -3

4:55pm Mon 27 Jan 14

krazzi horse says...

We did nt put out our best team in my opinion,surley if we pay our money at the gate we want to see the best team and this lot where not it.
We did nt put out our best team in my opinion,surley if we pay our money at the gate we want to see the best team and this lot where not it. krazzi horse
  • Score: 7

4:57pm Mon 27 Jan 14

ghost of sceptic says...

Sure i have heard this excuse before. Maybe looking at the reason we are sitting back and inviting pressure is the reason we are dropping Mr Bowyer.
Sure i have heard this excuse before. Maybe looking at the reason we are sitting back and inviting pressure is the reason we are dropping Mr Bowyer. ghost of sceptic
  • Score: 5

5:14pm Mon 27 Jan 14

owd nick says...

mickth wrote:
brown cow warrior wrote:
Stop moaning about referees and put a side out that can win a game regardless of the rub of the green.
Exactly, if Williamson hadn't messed up 5 minutes earlier it wouldn't have mattered.

More than that, noone at the games could argue that Derby didn't deserve at least a point, and Forest deserved all 3.

As we all know we have improved in most areas during the season, but nowhere near as much as both Forest and Derby have done since the first week of the season!

instead of moaning at the ref, we should be looking to see how we can copy the East Midlands by actually going out to attack teams.
Couldn't agree more.

Kane didn't go down, he played on and by doing so he made the ref's decision easy, not the ref's fault.

I was right in line with the incident, it was a nailed on penalty if he had gone down.
[quote][p][bold]mickth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]brown cow warrior[/bold] wrote: Stop moaning about referees and put a side out that can win a game regardless of the rub of the green.[/p][/quote]Exactly, if Williamson hadn't messed up 5 minutes earlier it wouldn't have mattered. More than that, noone at the games could argue that Derby didn't deserve at least a point, and Forest deserved all 3. As we all know we have improved in most areas during the season, but nowhere near as much as both Forest and Derby have done since the first week of the season! instead of moaning at the ref, we should be looking to see how we can copy the East Midlands by actually going out to attack teams.[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more. Kane didn't go down, he played on and by doing so he made the ref's decision easy, not the ref's fault. I was right in line with the incident, it was a nailed on penalty if he had gone down. owd nick
  • Score: 6

5:22pm Mon 27 Jan 14

happiness says...

If he had gone down, he would probably have got the penalty. But that would have been cheating. He still got the shot away and if he had scored, Gary Negative wouldn't have had anything to moan about. I always say that you should judge how good a manager is based on the resources he has at his disposal. And using this criteria, although it pains me to say it, Dyche is head and shoulders above anyone in the championship at the moment. Although Bowyer has done a good job steadying the ship, with no threat of relegation like last season's shambles, I feel his negative, defensive tactics are holding us back in our failing bid for the top 6. Every home game is the same, (apart from Brum when he had his hand forced and had to attack in the 2nd half) one up front and everybody in our box when the opposition has a corner. We tried to defend a 1-0 lead against Donny and because of Robinson, we got away with it. But we didn't get away with it on Saturday when I thought Derby dominated us for 45 minutes in the second half and deserved all 3 points. Nor did we get away with it at home against Huddersfield, Sheff W, Reading, Charlton and Forest. So many points thrown away, simply because of negative tactics.
If he had gone down, he would probably have got the penalty. But that would have been cheating. He still got the shot away and if he had scored, Gary Negative wouldn't have had anything to moan about. I always say that you should judge how good a manager is based on the resources he has at his disposal. And using this criteria, although it pains me to say it, Dyche is head and shoulders above anyone in the championship at the moment. Although Bowyer has done a good job steadying the ship, with no threat of relegation like last season's shambles, I feel his negative, defensive tactics are holding us back in our failing bid for the top 6. Every home game is the same, (apart from Brum when he had his hand forced and had to attack in the 2nd half) one up front and everybody in our box when the opposition has a corner. We tried to defend a 1-0 lead against Donny and because of Robinson, we got away with it. But we didn't get away with it on Saturday when I thought Derby dominated us for 45 minutes in the second half and deserved all 3 points. Nor did we get away with it at home against Huddersfield, Sheff W, Reading, Charlton and Forest. So many points thrown away, simply because of negative tactics. happiness
  • Score: 10

5:39pm Mon 27 Jan 14

baldie says...

chicken.pluckers wrote:
Not wanting to panic you no-dads any more than you already are but with the weak squad that you currently have combined with an inability to defend a lead and a tendency to defend so deep at home against the lesser clubs, the top sides, Burnley in particular with the most potent strike partnership in the country, are going to tear you apart.

Perhaps now is the time for Bowyer to return to his under 12's coaching role? Just a thought.
You'd better hope we're not camped out in your area for half the game like we were at your place.
If we are,i don't fancy old Duffer in the air against "the hat",what a mismatch.
[quote][p][bold]chicken.pluckers[/bold] wrote: Not wanting to panic you no-dads any more than you already are but with the weak squad that you currently have combined with an inability to defend a lead and a tendency to defend so deep at home against the lesser clubs, the top sides, Burnley in particular with the most potent strike partnership in the country, are going to tear you apart. Perhaps now is the time for Bowyer to return to his under 12's coaching role? Just a thought.[/p][/quote]You'd better hope we're not camped out in your area for half the game like we were at your place. If we are,i don't fancy old Duffer in the air against "the hat",what a mismatch. baldie
  • Score: 2

6:35pm Mon 27 Jan 14

more bans than ray - brfc lxxv says...

chicken.pluckers wrote:
Not wanting to panic you no-dads any more than you already are but with the weak squad that you currently have combined with an inability to defend a lead and a tendency to defend so deep at home against the lesser clubs, the top sides, Burnley in particular with the most potent strike partnership in the country, are going to tear you apart.

Perhaps now is the time for Bowyer to return to his under 12's coaching role? Just a thought.
I agree and personally think Ings and thingamabob are better than the likes of Agüero, Negredo or Suárez or dare I say Ronaldo....

No, I've gotta admit I'm panicking and big style. What with Burnleys proud derby day record of no wins in 35 years, not to mention the 1-1 cricket score you predicted at your space age stadium back in Sept, I'm scared.

Then there's all those terrifying Burnley fans who smash bus windows and fight with urinals who'll be waiting outside Ewood to knock everyone out again.

All in all, the sooner Burnley are at the top of the Premier League and virtually winning the European Cup again in front of crowds of 2 million the better.
[quote][p][bold]chicken.pluckers[/bold] wrote: Not wanting to panic you no-dads any more than you already are but with the weak squad that you currently have combined with an inability to defend a lead and a tendency to defend so deep at home against the lesser clubs, the top sides, Burnley in particular with the most potent strike partnership in the country, are going to tear you apart. Perhaps now is the time for Bowyer to return to his under 12's coaching role? Just a thought.[/p][/quote]I agree and personally think Ings and thingamabob are better than the likes of Agüero, Negredo or Suárez or dare I say Ronaldo.... No, I've gotta admit I'm panicking and big style. What with Burnleys proud derby day record of no wins in 35 years, not to mention the 1-1 cricket score you predicted at your space age stadium back in Sept, I'm scared. Then there's all those terrifying Burnley fans who smash bus windows and fight with urinals who'll be waiting outside Ewood to knock everyone out again. All in all, the sooner Burnley are at the top of the Premier League and virtually winning the European Cup again in front of crowds of 2 million the better. more bans than ray - brfc lxxv
  • Score: 9

6:45pm Mon 27 Jan 14

dangerous dave says...

Moan moan moan excuse excuse excuse - simply not good enough and sounding more like kean as the weeks roll on - tactically inhept when using subs and totally defensive leaving us on the back foot trying to save a point chasing the game -
Out with the cowboys and indians
Moan moan moan excuse excuse excuse - simply not good enough and sounding more like kean as the weeks roll on - tactically inhept when using subs and totally defensive leaving us on the back foot trying to save a point chasing the game - Out with the cowboys and indians dangerous dave
  • Score: 3

7:18pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Venkytrash says...

SteppBladder wrote:
GB was merely responding to questions in an interview when he talked about the referee - it's on the Rovers website. He made a fair point, what's wrong with that? Anybody who was at the Forest match knows that the referee had a shocker and there was a disputed penalty incident on Saturday. Surely the manager has every right to discuss those incidents in an interview.
And most people are merely responding to what he said!

He is always bleating on about this that and the other but tbh he is at fault for his own downfall. Ok he was forced into the early sub with Marshall getting an injury. Why bring on Williamson? McLaren must have been laughing to himself, he is a liability, too slow and too negative and was totally at fault for their equaliser!

At the end of the day bowyer picks the team and ultimately he is the one who should be shouldering the blame not the referee! He doesn't seem to learn and there isn't one fan I know (who go and watch) that doesn't agree with what I'm saying. His team selections and substitutes (when he makes one) are are best suspect!

Not sure whether you go and watch the boys but if you do then you are watching a totally different game to the one I'm watching.....
[quote][p][bold]SteppBladder[/bold] wrote: GB was merely responding to questions in an interview when he talked about the referee - it's on the Rovers website. He made a fair point, what's wrong with that? Anybody who was at the Forest match knows that the referee had a shocker and there was a disputed penalty incident on Saturday. Surely the manager has every right to discuss those incidents in an interview.[/p][/quote]And most people are merely responding to what he said! He is always bleating on about this that and the other but tbh he is at fault for his own downfall. Ok he was forced into the early sub with Marshall getting an injury. Why bring on Williamson? McLaren must have been laughing to himself, he is a liability, too slow and too negative and was totally at fault for their equaliser! At the end of the day bowyer picks the team and ultimately he is the one who should be shouldering the blame not the referee! He doesn't seem to learn and there isn't one fan I know (who go and watch) that doesn't agree with what I'm saying. His team selections and substitutes (when he makes one) are are best suspect! Not sure whether you go and watch the boys but if you do then you are watching a totally different game to the one I'm watching..... Venkytrash
  • Score: -2

7:20pm Mon 27 Jan 14

forever blue and white says...

dangerous dave wrote:
Moan moan moan excuse excuse excuse - simply not good enough and sounding more like kean as the weeks roll on - tactically inhept when using subs and totally defensive leaving us on the back foot trying to save a point chasing the game -
Out with the cowboys and indians
Is this your expert view having viewed the last few home games?
[quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote: Moan moan moan excuse excuse excuse - simply not good enough and sounding more like kean as the weeks roll on - tactically inhept when using subs and totally defensive leaving us on the back foot trying to save a point chasing the game - Out with the cowboys and indians[/p][/quote]Is this your expert view having viewed the last few home games? forever blue and white
  • Score: 1

7:21pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Ralph Jones says...

Stop moaning about refs and admit that you make the most awful decisions possible, if we are to get promoted we have to beat the teams above us convincingly, time for a change to save the season.
Stop moaning about refs and admit that you make the most awful decisions possible, if we are to get promoted we have to beat the teams above us convincingly, time for a change to save the season. Ralph Jones
  • Score: 1

7:21pm Mon 27 Jan 14

A Rover 45 years and over says...

There is nothing wrong with GB moaning about a missed penalty as all managers do that. He wasn't saying it cost us 2 points because he acknowledged Derby deserved a point. But he needs to be honest about his own tactical failings on occasions. After Rovers went ahead Derby made three substitutions and then started to control the game but he had no idea how to counteract it. Maybe a role for Dunny to counteract the effect of Hughes coming on by doing the same to Derby as Hughes was doing to us. Especially when Cairney was starting to fade. Bringing Gestede off and putting a full back on was not the answer. At least he set up the team properly at the start with two strikers for once.
There is nothing wrong with GB moaning about a missed penalty as all managers do that. He wasn't saying it cost us 2 points because he acknowledged Derby deserved a point. But he needs to be honest about his own tactical failings on occasions. After Rovers went ahead Derby made three substitutions and then started to control the game but he had no idea how to counteract it. Maybe a role for Dunny to counteract the effect of Hughes coming on by doing the same to Derby as Hughes was doing to us. Especially when Cairney was starting to fade. Bringing Gestede off and putting a full back on was not the answer. At least he set up the team properly at the start with two strikers for once. A Rover 45 years and over
  • Score: 5

7:21pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Venkytrash says...

happiness wrote:
If he had gone down, he would probably have got the penalty. But that would have been cheating. He still got the shot away and if he had scored, Gary Negative wouldn't have had anything to moan about. I always say that you should judge how good a manager is based on the resources he has at his disposal. And using this criteria, although it pains me to say it, Dyche is head and shoulders above anyone in the championship at the moment. Although Bowyer has done a good job steadying the ship, with no threat of relegation like last season's shambles, I feel his negative, defensive tactics are holding us back in our failing bid for the top 6. Every home game is the same, (apart from Brum when he had his hand forced and had to attack in the 2nd half) one up front and everybody in our box when the opposition has a corner. We tried to defend a 1-0 lead against Donny and because of Robinson, we got away with it. But we didn't get away with it on Saturday when I thought Derby dominated us for 45 minutes in the second half and deserved all 3 points. Nor did we get away with it at home against Huddersfield, Sheff W, Reading, Charlton and Forest. So many points thrown away, simply because of negative tactics.
Couldn't agree more!
[quote][p][bold]happiness[/bold] wrote: If he had gone down, he would probably have got the penalty. But that would have been cheating. He still got the shot away and if he had scored, Gary Negative wouldn't have had anything to moan about. I always say that you should judge how good a manager is based on the resources he has at his disposal. And using this criteria, although it pains me to say it, Dyche is head and shoulders above anyone in the championship at the moment. Although Bowyer has done a good job steadying the ship, with no threat of relegation like last season's shambles, I feel his negative, defensive tactics are holding us back in our failing bid for the top 6. Every home game is the same, (apart from Brum when he had his hand forced and had to attack in the 2nd half) one up front and everybody in our box when the opposition has a corner. We tried to defend a 1-0 lead against Donny and because of Robinson, we got away with it. But we didn't get away with it on Saturday when I thought Derby dominated us for 45 minutes in the second half and deserved all 3 points. Nor did we get away with it at home against Huddersfield, Sheff W, Reading, Charlton and Forest. So many points thrown away, simply because of negative tactics.[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more! Venkytrash
  • Score: 1

7:25pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Venkytrash says...

chicken.pluckers wrote:
Oh whinge, moan, ****, poor old Rovers, why does no one like us any more..

Yet another 2 points dropped due to tactically inept Bowyer in your desperate, and doomed to fail, attempt at clawing your way into the play-off's.

Your season, which was beginning to take shape, has now completely fallen apart. 1 point in 6, shipping out players left, right and centre, and dropping to 9th in the league at the end of January is a disaster.

Anything less than a convincing win tomorrow and surely Gary Bowyer has to do the decent thing and step down, he's obviously not up to managing in the Championship.
Why don't you do the decent thing and press Burnley FC instead of Blackburn Rovers?

If for once you actually came on here to a little banter or add some constructive comments like turf moor tom does every now and then it wouldn't be too bad but you're obviously a very childish little boy! And don't worry we have them too no doubt but they **** me off too!
[quote][p][bold]chicken.pluckers[/bold] wrote: Oh whinge, moan, ****, poor old Rovers, why does no one like us any more.. Yet another 2 points dropped due to tactically inept Bowyer in your desperate, and doomed to fail, attempt at clawing your way into the play-off's. Your season, which was beginning to take shape, has now completely fallen apart. 1 point in 6, shipping out players left, right and centre, and dropping to 9th in the league at the end of January is a disaster. Anything less than a convincing win tomorrow and surely Gary Bowyer has to do the decent thing and step down, he's obviously not up to managing in the Championship.[/p][/quote]Why don't you do the decent thing and press Burnley FC instead of Blackburn Rovers? If for once you actually came on here to a little banter or add some constructive comments like turf moor tom does every now and then it wouldn't be too bad but you're obviously a very childish little boy! And don't worry we have them too no doubt but they **** me off too! Venkytrash
  • Score: 3

7:31pm Mon 27 Jan 14

French Rover says...

the guy is getting crucified for just answering a question...I spoke to several friends that went to the game and every single one of them said exactly the same as Bowyer.

I just hope that he told the players to be less honest in future. I would trade a few yellow cards in exchange for some deserved (and a few not so well deserved) penalties. But they cant be like the one that Morst Gamst got booked for at Arsenal a couple of seasons back...even though that was a beaut of a dive!
the guy is getting crucified for just answering a question...I spoke to several friends that went to the game and every single one of them said exactly the same as Bowyer. I just hope that he told the players to be less honest in future. I would trade a few yellow cards in exchange for some deserved (and a few not so well deserved) penalties. But they cant be like the one that Morst Gamst got booked for at Arsenal a couple of seasons back...even though that was a beaut of a dive! French Rover
  • Score: -1

7:33pm Mon 27 Jan 14

eddyo says...

SteppBladder wrote:
Only1Garner wrote:
Come on Gary, don't tell me it was part of your game plan to win a penalty in the last minute to win the game, if you were as tactically astute as McClaren then we may have won, he made 3 substitutions that changed the game, you took of Gestede and left Rhodes on his own, we may as well play with 10 when you do that, in fact it was like playing with 9 after that as we played with 10 when you put Williamson on, what has Dunny got to do to get a game, with his legs tied together he is better than Boney M. Your a nice bloke Gary and have done well to get some stability, but as far as being a manager, you are well out of your depth when compared to the likes of McCaren and Redknapp.
GB has been a manger for 6 months and has turned round a team that was in freefall. McClaren and Redknap have had a tad more experience I think so I’m not sure the comparison is valid.
I don't blame GB for making mistakes. I blame him from not learning from them. How on earth can you keep playing Lowe and Williamson together and not make subs when you see the pressure building?
[quote][p][bold]SteppBladder[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Only1Garner[/bold] wrote: Come on Gary, don't tell me it was part of your game plan to win a penalty in the last minute to win the game, if you were as tactically astute as McClaren then we may have won, he made 3 substitutions that changed the game, you took of Gestede and left Rhodes on his own, we may as well play with 10 when you do that, in fact it was like playing with 9 after that as we played with 10 when you put Williamson on, what has Dunny got to do to get a game, with his legs tied together he is better than Boney M. Your a nice bloke Gary and have done well to get some stability, but as far as being a manager, you are well out of your depth when compared to the likes of McCaren and Redknapp.[/p][/quote]GB has been a manger for 6 months and has turned round a team that was in freefall. McClaren and Redknap have had a tad more experience I think so I’m not sure the comparison is valid.[/p][/quote]I don't blame GB for making mistakes. I blame him from not learning from them. How on earth can you keep playing Lowe and Williamson together and not make subs when you see the pressure building? eddyo
  • Score: 2

7:42pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Pompey Claret says...

Wild Rover wrote:
He is neither moaning nor making excuses, merely stating facts.
It was a penalty and the ref could have given it after allowing play as no advantage was had. Kane missed because he tried to stay on his feet and the push caused him to be at a difficult angle for the shot. The defender gained unfair advantage from the push inside the box.
How is that NOT a penalty?
Go down easy and you get booked for simulation , try to stay on your feet and you get nowt, hardly fair is it??
Wild Rover, quite agree with your comment.

I can understand GB's frustration. We all know that it is difficult for referees but we have seen this season that they have made obvious mistakes when the Referee and his assistance are in great positions. So not only frustrating for the manger but players and supporters too.

My team can't even buy a penalty and have also been on the wrong end of some dubious decisions in some games this season as I no doubt Rovers have too. When you can clearly see these things yourself when watching a game, no need for slow motion replay.

I know the saying "These things balance out come the end of season" but do they ? These decisions could mean the difference between making the playoffs , instant promotion or not and a costly one at that.

Leicester City have done very well from penalty decisions so the referees appear to see things right there. That's not a slant at Leicester they take what the referees give.

That's what Rovers , Burnley and every other team want. Consistency is what every manager, player and supporter wants from a referee with key decisions in a game.

Best of luck for the rest of the season but when we next clash lol.

UTC
[quote][p][bold]Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: He is neither moaning nor making excuses, merely stating facts. It was a penalty and the ref could have given it after allowing play as no advantage was had. Kane missed because he tried to stay on his feet and the push caused him to be at a difficult angle for the shot. The defender gained unfair advantage from the push inside the box. How is that NOT a penalty? Go down easy and you get booked for simulation , try to stay on your feet and you get nowt, hardly fair is it??[/p][/quote]Wild Rover, quite agree with your comment. I can understand GB's frustration. We all know that it is difficult for referees but we have seen this season that they have made obvious mistakes when the Referee and his assistance are in great positions. So not only frustrating for the manger but players and supporters too. My team can't even buy a penalty and have also been on the wrong end of some dubious decisions in some games this season as I no doubt Rovers have too. When you can clearly see these things yourself when watching a game, no need for slow motion replay. I know the saying "These things balance out come the end of season" but do they ? These decisions could mean the difference between making the playoffs , instant promotion or not and a costly one at that. Leicester City have done very well from penalty decisions so the referees appear to see things right there. That's not a slant at Leicester they take what the referees give. That's what Rovers , Burnley and every other team want. Consistency is what every manager, player and supporter wants from a referee with key decisions in a game. Best of luck for the rest of the season but when we next clash lol. UTC Pompey Claret
  • Score: 9

8:28pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Wild Rover says...

chicken.pluckers wrote:
Not wanting to panic you no-dads any more than you already are but with the weak squad that you currently have combined with an inability to defend a lead and a tendency to defend so deep at home against the lesser clubs, the top sides, Burnley in particular with the most potent strike partnership in the country, are going to tear you apart.

Perhaps now is the time for Bowyer to return to his under 12's coaching role? Just a thought.
Most potent strike pair in the country ? Oh stop please, I cant breath, pmsl
Better have a word with yourself Baldric
[quote][p][bold]chicken.pluckers[/bold] wrote: Not wanting to panic you no-dads any more than you already are but with the weak squad that you currently have combined with an inability to defend a lead and a tendency to defend so deep at home against the lesser clubs, the top sides, Burnley in particular with the most potent strike partnership in the country, are going to tear you apart. Perhaps now is the time for Bowyer to return to his under 12's coaching role? Just a thought.[/p][/quote]Most potent strike pair in the country ? Oh stop please, I cant breath, pmsl Better have a word with yourself Baldric Wild Rover
  • Score: 5

8:39pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Steven Seagull says...

Wild Rover wrote:
chicken.pluckers wrote:
Not wanting to panic you no-dads any more than you already are but with the weak squad that you currently have combined with an inability to defend a lead and a tendency to defend so deep at home against the lesser clubs, the top sides, Burnley in particular with the most potent strike partnership in the country, are going to tear you apart.

Perhaps now is the time for Bowyer to return to his under 12's coaching role? Just a thought.
Most potent strike pair in the country ? Oh stop please, I cant breath, pmsl
Better have a word with yourself Baldric
You can't breathe?

Well ask tarquin to take his tea bag off your face then.
[quote][p][bold]Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chicken.pluckers[/bold] wrote: Not wanting to panic you no-dads any more than you already are but with the weak squad that you currently have combined with an inability to defend a lead and a tendency to defend so deep at home against the lesser clubs, the top sides, Burnley in particular with the most potent strike partnership in the country, are going to tear you apart. Perhaps now is the time for Bowyer to return to his under 12's coaching role? Just a thought.[/p][/quote]Most potent strike pair in the country ? Oh stop please, I cant breath, pmsl Better have a word with yourself Baldric[/p][/quote]You can't breathe? Well ask tarquin to take his tea bag off your face then. Steven Seagull
  • Score: -2

9:00pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Angry From Accrington says...

Just to demonstrate that I CAN be nice to little old David who, probably correctly, considers himself to be a danger to himself and those around him, I have created a post that he can simply copy and paste instead of engaging his dictionary or carer every time he feels he has something to say:

I dont like the owners
I dont like the management
I dont like the coaching staff
I dont like the players
I dont like the proper supporters
I dont like anybody who disagrees with me
OUT WITH EVERYBODY

There, that just about encapsulates everything he says, has said and is ever likely to say.
Don't bother thanking me......always happy to help.
Just to demonstrate that I CAN be nice to little old David who, probably correctly, considers himself to be a danger to himself and those around him, I have created a post that he can simply copy and paste instead of engaging his dictionary or carer every time he feels he has something to say: I dont like the owners I dont like the management I dont like the coaching staff I dont like the players I dont like the proper supporters I dont like anybody who disagrees with me OUT WITH EVERYBODY There, that just about encapsulates everything he says, has said and is ever likely to say. Don't bother thanking me......always happy to help. Angry From Accrington
  • Score: -1

9:03pm Mon 27 Jan 14

Bill Carson says...

In fairness I think GB brought Kane on to cover Henley at RB, who was getting skinned and caught out of position most of the 2nd half. The equaliser had been coming way before then. Lowe and Williamson simply chased shadows and Taylor isn't worthy of a start, Cairney was class but ran out of steam doing it all on his own. The balance in midfield evaporated when Marshall was stretchered-off. Credit to Derby for looking for a winner, they were the stronger side.
In fairness I think GB brought Kane on to cover Henley at RB, who was getting skinned and caught out of position most of the 2nd half. The equaliser had been coming way before then. Lowe and Williamson simply chased shadows and Taylor isn't worthy of a start, Cairney was class but ran out of steam doing it all on his own. The balance in midfield evaporated when Marshall was stretchered-off. Credit to Derby for looking for a winner, they were the stronger side. Bill Carson
  • Score: 4

9:05pm Mon 27 Jan 14

M.DANNY says...

Lacking quality in midfield and we need another striker.GB has got his tactics wrong again at fortress Ewood Park,four four two and attacking midfielders and a playmaker like Tugay is needed..
GB need to clear out the deadwoods and I think it's time Dunn hang up his boots. How teams like Leicester Derby Burnley Nottingham Forest Ipswich and Brighton have a better quality of players than big spender like Blackburn Rovers fc.
Lacking quality in midfield and we need another striker.GB has got his tactics wrong again at fortress Ewood Park,four four two and attacking midfielders and a playmaker like Tugay is needed.. GB need to clear out the deadwoods and I think it's time Dunn hang up his boots. How teams like Leicester Derby Burnley Nottingham Forest Ipswich and Brighton have a better quality of players than big spender like Blackburn Rovers fc. M.DANNY
  • Score: 2

11:30pm Mon 27 Jan 14

reggie0008 says...

MxMave wrote:
Shouldn't be coming out blaming the ref for a game which by all rights we could easily have lost.

We are in desperate need of an attacking mid...
Yes so why did we get rid of Rochina then?, I would rather Taylor or King have gone every day of the week
[quote][p][bold]MxMave[/bold] wrote: Shouldn't be coming out blaming the ref for a game which by all rights we could easily have lost. We are in desperate need of an attacking mid...[/p][/quote]Yes so why did we get rid of Rochina then?, I would rather Taylor or King have gone every day of the week reggie0008
  • Score: 1

11:44pm Mon 27 Jan 14

owd nick says...

Pompey Claret wrote:
Wild Rover wrote:
He is neither moaning nor making excuses, merely stating facts.
It was a penalty and the ref could have given it after allowing play as no advantage was had. Kane missed because he tried to stay on his feet and the push caused him to be at a difficult angle for the shot. The defender gained unfair advantage from the push inside the box.
How is that NOT a penalty?
Go down easy and you get booked for simulation , try to stay on your feet and you get nowt, hardly fair is it??
Wild Rover, quite agree with your comment.

I can understand GB's frustration. We all know that it is difficult for referees but we have seen this season that they have made obvious mistakes when the Referee and his assistance are in great positions. So not only frustrating for the manger but players and supporters too.

My team can't even buy a penalty and have also been on the wrong end of some dubious decisions in some games this season as I no doubt Rovers have too. When you can clearly see these things yourself when watching a game, no need for slow motion replay.

I know the saying "These things balance out come the end of season" but do they ? These decisions could mean the difference between making the playoffs , instant promotion or not and a costly one at that.

Leicester City have done very well from penalty decisions so the referees appear to see things right there. That's not a slant at Leicester they take what the referees give.

That's what Rovers , Burnley and every other team want. Consistency is what every manager, player and supporter wants from a referee with key decisions in a game.

Best of luck for the rest of the season but when we next clash lol.

UTC
They never balance out at the end of the season, what happens is that the team at the top nearly always gets the 50 : 50 decisions falling in their favour.

Think about it.

And we are never, ever going to get consistency, why not? Because we (thankfully) rely on three guys trying to watch;

- up to 22 players,
- a ball flying all over the place
- hearing managers, coaching staff, players and fans questioning every decision, their apparent physical afflictions, even their doubtful parentage.
- TV pundits with the advantage of HD slow motion cameras getting on their backs.
- and an assessor in the stand plus the managers reports at the end of the day.

Yet they still turn up every week.

And that my friend is what makes this beautiful game so great.

There might be 70,000 plus watching a game but no two people ever see it the same way, everyone can argue their opinion until the cows come home, but the three guys in the middle of it all decide the fate of every game.

I personally wouldn't have it any other way.
[quote][p][bold]Pompey Claret[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: He is neither moaning nor making excuses, merely stating facts. It was a penalty and the ref could have given it after allowing play as no advantage was had. Kane missed because he tried to stay on his feet and the push caused him to be at a difficult angle for the shot. The defender gained unfair advantage from the push inside the box. How is that NOT a penalty? Go down easy and you get booked for simulation , try to stay on your feet and you get nowt, hardly fair is it??[/p][/quote]Wild Rover, quite agree with your comment. I can understand GB's frustration. We all know that it is difficult for referees but we have seen this season that they have made obvious mistakes when the Referee and his assistance are in great positions. So not only frustrating for the manger but players and supporters too. My team can't even buy a penalty and have also been on the wrong end of some dubious decisions in some games this season as I no doubt Rovers have too. When you can clearly see these things yourself when watching a game, no need for slow motion replay. I know the saying "These things balance out come the end of season" but do they ? These decisions could mean the difference between making the playoffs , instant promotion or not and a costly one at that. Leicester City have done very well from penalty decisions so the referees appear to see things right there. That's not a slant at Leicester they take what the referees give. That's what Rovers , Burnley and every other team want. Consistency is what every manager, player and supporter wants from a referee with key decisions in a game. Best of luck for the rest of the season but when we next clash lol. UTC[/p][/quote]They never balance out at the end of the season, what happens is that the team at the top nearly always gets the 50 : 50 decisions falling in their favour. Think about it. And we are never, ever going to get consistency, why not? Because we (thankfully) rely on three guys trying to watch; - up to 22 players, - a ball flying all over the place - hearing managers, coaching staff, players and fans questioning every decision, their apparent physical afflictions, even their doubtful parentage. - TV pundits with the advantage of HD slow motion cameras getting on their backs. - and an assessor in the stand plus the managers reports at the end of the day. Yet they still turn up every week. And that my friend is what makes this beautiful game so great. There might be 70,000 plus watching a game but no two people ever see it the same way, everyone can argue their opinion until the cows come home, but the three guys in the middle of it all decide the fate of every game. I personally wouldn't have it any other way. owd nick
  • Score: 5

7:27am Tue 28 Jan 14

bburnrover says...

I see he is after Luke Varney from Leeds they got him on a free transfer and maybe that is the reason for him going for him as it cannot be his goal scoring record which is abysmal for a striker.
I see he is after Luke Varney from Leeds they got him on a free transfer and maybe that is the reason for him going for him as it cannot be his goal scoring record which is abysmal for a striker. bburnrover
  • Score: 0

8:56am Tue 28 Jan 14

SteppBladder says...

Venkytrash wrote:
SteppBladder wrote:
GB was merely responding to questions in an interview when he talked about the referee - it's on the Rovers website. He made a fair point, what's wrong with that? Anybody who was at the Forest match knows that the referee had a shocker and there was a disputed penalty incident on Saturday. Surely the manager has every right to discuss those incidents in an interview.
And most people are merely responding to what he said!

He is always bleating on about this that and the other but tbh he is at fault for his own downfall. Ok he was forced into the early sub with Marshall getting an injury. Why bring on Williamson? McLaren must have been laughing to himself, he is a liability, too slow and too negative and was totally at fault for their equaliser!

At the end of the day bowyer picks the team and ultimately he is the one who should be shouldering the blame not the referee! He doesn't seem to learn and there isn't one fan I know (who go and watch) that doesn't agree with what I'm saying. His team selections and substitutes (when he makes one) are are best suspect!

Not sure whether you go and watch the boys but if you do then you are watching a totally different game to the one I'm watching.....
Yes, I do go and watch the boys. So are you saying that the ref at Forest didn't have a shocker and that there was no disputed penalty decision (or non-decision) on Saturday?

And for the record, I do agree that GB's tactics and substitutions are often (usually) mystifying. I have said so on these pages numerous times. But GB ‘is not always bleating on about this, that and the other'. He gets asked questions in interviews and reporters pick out juicy bits to fill up these web pages.
[quote][p][bold]Venkytrash[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SteppBladder[/bold] wrote: GB was merely responding to questions in an interview when he talked about the referee - it's on the Rovers website. He made a fair point, what's wrong with that? Anybody who was at the Forest match knows that the referee had a shocker and there was a disputed penalty incident on Saturday. Surely the manager has every right to discuss those incidents in an interview.[/p][/quote]And most people are merely responding to what he said! He is always bleating on about this that and the other but tbh he is at fault for his own downfall. Ok he was forced into the early sub with Marshall getting an injury. Why bring on Williamson? McLaren must have been laughing to himself, he is a liability, too slow and too negative and was totally at fault for their equaliser! At the end of the day bowyer picks the team and ultimately he is the one who should be shouldering the blame not the referee! He doesn't seem to learn and there isn't one fan I know (who go and watch) that doesn't agree with what I'm saying. His team selections and substitutes (when he makes one) are are best suspect! Not sure whether you go and watch the boys but if you do then you are watching a totally different game to the one I'm watching.....[/p][/quote]Yes, I do go and watch the boys. So are you saying that the ref at Forest didn't have a shocker and that there was no disputed penalty decision (or non-decision) on Saturday? And for the record, I do agree that GB's tactics and substitutions are often (usually) mystifying. I have said so on these pages numerous times. But GB ‘is not always bleating on about this, that and the other'. He gets asked questions in interviews and reporters pick out juicy bits to fill up these web pages. SteppBladder
  • Score: 0

9:02am Tue 28 Jan 14

lancs1985 says...

THE ONLY PERSON TO BLAME BOYWER IS YOU,

DEFEND DEFEND DEFEND

ATTACK THE GAME YOU 1ST CLASS FOOL,SICK TO BACK TEETH OF BORING DEFENSIVE RUBBISH AT EWOOD, ATTACK THE GAME FOR CHRIST SAKE
THE ONLY PERSON TO BLAME BOYWER IS YOU, DEFEND DEFEND DEFEND ATTACK THE GAME YOU 1ST CLASS FOOL,SICK TO BACK TEETH OF BORING DEFENSIVE RUBBISH AT EWOOD, ATTACK THE GAME FOR CHRIST SAKE lancs1985
  • Score: 8

9:10am Tue 28 Jan 14

greenscreener says...

You are right Sepp, given the choice I doubt GB would give press interviews at all, it's just part of his job, but can you imagine how the hysterical mob would react if GB refused to talk to the media !
You are right Sepp, given the choice I doubt GB would give press interviews at all, it's just part of his job, but can you imagine how the hysterical mob would react if GB refused to talk to the media ! greenscreener
  • Score: 1

10:09am Tue 28 Jan 14

Ronaldpetercooper says...

French Rover wrote:
the guy is getting crucified for just answering a question...I spoke to several friends that went to the game and every single one of them said exactly the same as Bowyer. I just hope that he told the players to be less honest in future. I would trade a few yellow cards in exchange for some deserved (and a few not so well deserved) penalties. But they cant be like the one that Morst Gamst got booked for at Arsenal a couple of seasons back...even though that was a beaut of a dive!
Hi Frenchie I am afraid that free kicks inside the penalty area are different to outside the box. A referee will play on after a foul and stop play if it is shown that there is no advantage and give the delayed free kick.
Inside the box if a player continues after a foul and is in a position to have a chance to score the referee will give him that opportunity to score but that will be it. No second chance is ever given and neither should it be.
The point being made is that while Bowyer is doing ok his substitutions are dire. Why was a full back brought on to play in this position when there were game changing players on the bench. It was negative pure and simple and probably cost two points. I do not want to have a go at GB as he is an ok guy and has worked very hard for our club and will keep us safe. Beyond that there remains doubts and he needs to be more positive in his substitutions and maybe this will come with a little more experience.
Whatever he is the best we have got and can only learn from experience.
People on this site with one or two exceptions support the guy but when he makes mistakes criticism will always follow and it is then when it is best to stop blaming everyone else and look at what else could have or should have been done. Sorry for the rant!
[quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: the guy is getting crucified for just answering a question...I spoke to several friends that went to the game and every single one of them said exactly the same as Bowyer. I just hope that he told the players to be less honest in future. I would trade a few yellow cards in exchange for some deserved (and a few not so well deserved) penalties. But they cant be like the one that Morst Gamst got booked for at Arsenal a couple of seasons back...even though that was a beaut of a dive![/p][/quote]Hi Frenchie I am afraid that free kicks inside the penalty area are different to outside the box. A referee will play on after a foul and stop play if it is shown that there is no advantage and give the delayed free kick. Inside the box if a player continues after a foul and is in a position to have a chance to score the referee will give him that opportunity to score but that will be it. No second chance is ever given and neither should it be. The point being made is that while Bowyer is doing ok his substitutions are dire. Why was a full back brought on to play in this position when there were game changing players on the bench. It was negative pure and simple and probably cost two points. I do not want to have a go at GB as he is an ok guy and has worked very hard for our club and will keep us safe. Beyond that there remains doubts and he needs to be more positive in his substitutions and maybe this will come with a little more experience. Whatever he is the best we have got and can only learn from experience. People on this site with one or two exceptions support the guy but when he makes mistakes criticism will always follow and it is then when it is best to stop blaming everyone else and look at what else could have or should have been done. Sorry for the rant! Ronaldpetercooper
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10:47am Tue 28 Jan 14

Pompey Claret says...

owd nick wrote:
Pompey Claret wrote:
Wild Rover wrote:
He is neither moaning nor making excuses, merely stating facts.
It was a penalty and the ref could have given it after allowing play as no advantage was had. Kane missed because he tried to stay on his feet and the push caused him to be at a difficult angle for the shot. The defender gained unfair advantage from the push inside the box.
How is that NOT a penalty?
Go down easy and you get booked for simulation , try to stay on your feet and you get nowt, hardly fair is it??
Wild Rover, quite agree with your comment.

I can understand GB's frustration. We all know that it is difficult for referees but we have seen this season that they have made obvious mistakes when the Referee and his assistance are in great positions. So not only frustrating for the manger but players and supporters too.

My team can't even buy a penalty and have also been on the wrong end of some dubious decisions in some games this season as I no doubt Rovers have too. When you can clearly see these things yourself when watching a game, no need for slow motion replay.

I know the saying "These things balance out come the end of season" but do they ? These decisions could mean the difference between making the playoffs , instant promotion or not and a costly one at that.

Leicester City have done very well from penalty decisions so the referees appear to see things right there. That's not a slant at Leicester they take what the referees give.

That's what Rovers , Burnley and every other team want. Consistency is what every manager, player and supporter wants from a referee with key decisions in a game.

Best of luck for the rest of the season but when we next clash lol.

UTC
They never balance out at the end of the season, what happens is that the team at the top nearly always gets the 50 : 50 decisions falling in their favour.

Think about it.

And we are never, ever going to get consistency, why not? Because we (thankfully) rely on three guys trying to watch;

- up to 22 players,
- a ball flying all over the place
- hearing managers, coaching staff, players and fans questioning every decision, their apparent physical afflictions, even their doubtful parentage.
- TV pundits with the advantage of HD slow motion cameras getting on their backs.
- and an assessor in the stand plus the managers reports at the end of the day.

Yet they still turn up every week.

And that my friend is what makes this beautiful game so great.

There might be 70,000 plus watching a game but no two people ever see it the same way, everyone can argue their opinion until the cows come home, but the three guys in the middle of it all decide the fate of every game.

I personally wouldn't have it any other way.
Very true Owd Nick................
....................
....I guess that's why we as fans of our respective clubs love the game so much.

UTC
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pompey Claret[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: He is neither moaning nor making excuses, merely stating facts. It was a penalty and the ref could have given it after allowing play as no advantage was had. Kane missed because he tried to stay on his feet and the push caused him to be at a difficult angle for the shot. The defender gained unfair advantage from the push inside the box. How is that NOT a penalty? Go down easy and you get booked for simulation , try to stay on your feet and you get nowt, hardly fair is it??[/p][/quote]Wild Rover, quite agree with your comment. I can understand GB's frustration. We all know that it is difficult for referees but we have seen this season that they have made obvious mistakes when the Referee and his assistance are in great positions. So not only frustrating for the manger but players and supporters too. My team can't even buy a penalty and have also been on the wrong end of some dubious decisions in some games this season as I no doubt Rovers have too. When you can clearly see these things yourself when watching a game, no need for slow motion replay. I know the saying "These things balance out come the end of season" but do they ? These decisions could mean the difference between making the playoffs , instant promotion or not and a costly one at that. Leicester City have done very well from penalty decisions so the referees appear to see things right there. That's not a slant at Leicester they take what the referees give. That's what Rovers , Burnley and every other team want. Consistency is what every manager, player and supporter wants from a referee with key decisions in a game. Best of luck for the rest of the season but when we next clash lol. UTC[/p][/quote]They never balance out at the end of the season, what happens is that the team at the top nearly always gets the 50 : 50 decisions falling in their favour. Think about it. And we are never, ever going to get consistency, why not? Because we (thankfully) rely on three guys trying to watch; - up to 22 players, - a ball flying all over the place - hearing managers, coaching staff, players and fans questioning every decision, their apparent physical afflictions, even their doubtful parentage. - TV pundits with the advantage of HD slow motion cameras getting on their backs. - and an assessor in the stand plus the managers reports at the end of the day. Yet they still turn up every week. And that my friend is what makes this beautiful game so great. There might be 70,000 plus watching a game but no two people ever see it the same way, everyone can argue their opinion until the cows come home, but the three guys in the middle of it all decide the fate of every game. I personally wouldn't have it any other way.[/p][/quote]Very true Owd Nick................ .................... ....I guess that's why we as fans of our respective clubs love the game so much. UTC Pompey Claret
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1:06pm Tue 28 Jan 14

French Rover says...

Ronaldpetercooper wrote:
French Rover wrote:
the guy is getting crucified for just answering a question...I spoke to several friends that went to the game and every single one of them said exactly the same as Bowyer. I just hope that he told the players to be less honest in future. I would trade a few yellow cards in exchange for some deserved (and a few not so well deserved) penalties. But they cant be like the one that Morst Gamst got booked for at Arsenal a couple of seasons back...even though that was a beaut of a dive!
Hi Frenchie I am afraid that free kicks inside the penalty area are different to outside the box. A referee will play on after a foul and stop play if it is shown that there is no advantage and give the delayed free kick.
Inside the box if a player continues after a foul and is in a position to have a chance to score the referee will give him that opportunity to score but that will be it. No second chance is ever given and neither should it be.
The point being made is that while Bowyer is doing ok his substitutions are dire. Why was a full back brought on to play in this position when there were game changing players on the bench. It was negative pure and simple and probably cost two points. I do not want to have a go at GB as he is an ok guy and has worked very hard for our club and will keep us safe. Beyond that there remains doubts and he needs to be more positive in his substitutions and maybe this will come with a little more experience.
Whatever he is the best we have got and can only learn from experience.
People on this site with one or two exceptions support the guy but when he makes mistakes criticism will always follow and it is then when it is best to stop blaming everyone else and look at what else could have or should have been done. Sorry for the rant!
Hi RPC, rant accepted!

Hope that 3 points tonight can get us back on track followed quickly by three more against the donkey lashers! GB will be a saint then!
[quote][p][bold]Ronaldpetercooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: the guy is getting crucified for just answering a question...I spoke to several friends that went to the game and every single one of them said exactly the same as Bowyer. I just hope that he told the players to be less honest in future. I would trade a few yellow cards in exchange for some deserved (and a few not so well deserved) penalties. But they cant be like the one that Morst Gamst got booked for at Arsenal a couple of seasons back...even though that was a beaut of a dive![/p][/quote]Hi Frenchie I am afraid that free kicks inside the penalty area are different to outside the box. A referee will play on after a foul and stop play if it is shown that there is no advantage and give the delayed free kick. Inside the box if a player continues after a foul and is in a position to have a chance to score the referee will give him that opportunity to score but that will be it. No second chance is ever given and neither should it be. The point being made is that while Bowyer is doing ok his substitutions are dire. Why was a full back brought on to play in this position when there were game changing players on the bench. It was negative pure and simple and probably cost two points. I do not want to have a go at GB as he is an ok guy and has worked very hard for our club and will keep us safe. Beyond that there remains doubts and he needs to be more positive in his substitutions and maybe this will come with a little more experience. Whatever he is the best we have got and can only learn from experience. People on this site with one or two exceptions support the guy but when he makes mistakes criticism will always follow and it is then when it is best to stop blaming everyone else and look at what else could have or should have been done. Sorry for the rant![/p][/quote]Hi RPC, rant accepted! Hope that 3 points tonight can get us back on track followed quickly by three more against the donkey lashers! GB will be a saint then! French Rover
  • Score: -1

2:37pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Ronaldpetercooper says...

French Rover wrote:
Ronaldpetercooper wrote:
French Rover wrote: the guy is getting crucified for just answering a question...I spoke to several friends that went to the game and every single one of them said exactly the same as Bowyer. I just hope that he told the players to be less honest in future. I would trade a few yellow cards in exchange for some deserved (and a few not so well deserved) penalties. But they cant be like the one that Morst Gamst got booked for at Arsenal a couple of seasons back...even though that was a beaut of a dive!
Hi Frenchie I am afraid that free kicks inside the penalty area are different to outside the box. A referee will play on after a foul and stop play if it is shown that there is no advantage and give the delayed free kick. Inside the box if a player continues after a foul and is in a position to have a chance to score the referee will give him that opportunity to score but that will be it. No second chance is ever given and neither should it be. The point being made is that while Bowyer is doing ok his substitutions are dire. Why was a full back brought on to play in this position when there were game changing players on the bench. It was negative pure and simple and probably cost two points. I do not want to have a go at GB as he is an ok guy and has worked very hard for our club and will keep us safe. Beyond that there remains doubts and he needs to be more positive in his substitutions and maybe this will come with a little more experience. Whatever he is the best we have got and can only learn from experience. People on this site with one or two exceptions support the guy but when he makes mistakes criticism will always follow and it is then when it is best to stop blaming everyone else and look at what else could have or should have been done. Sorry for the rant!
Hi RPC, rant accepted! Hope that 3 points tonight can get us back on track followed quickly by three more against the donkey lashers! GB will be a saint then!
He is a saint now as I doubt anyone would change places with him. As far as the next two games we should win both which will remove any other adverse comments. Struggling at the moment to make Barnsley as there may be snow circa Buxton. Rover Player for me I think.
2-1 tonight and 1-0 on saturday although a little uneasy about Blackpool game.
[quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronaldpetercooper[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: the guy is getting crucified for just answering a question...I spoke to several friends that went to the game and every single one of them said exactly the same as Bowyer. I just hope that he told the players to be less honest in future. I would trade a few yellow cards in exchange for some deserved (and a few not so well deserved) penalties. But they cant be like the one that Morst Gamst got booked for at Arsenal a couple of seasons back...even though that was a beaut of a dive![/p][/quote]Hi Frenchie I am afraid that free kicks inside the penalty area are different to outside the box. A referee will play on after a foul and stop play if it is shown that there is no advantage and give the delayed free kick. Inside the box if a player continues after a foul and is in a position to have a chance to score the referee will give him that opportunity to score but that will be it. No second chance is ever given and neither should it be. The point being made is that while Bowyer is doing ok his substitutions are dire. Why was a full back brought on to play in this position when there were game changing players on the bench. It was negative pure and simple and probably cost two points. I do not want to have a go at GB as he is an ok guy and has worked very hard for our club and will keep us safe. Beyond that there remains doubts and he needs to be more positive in his substitutions and maybe this will come with a little more experience. Whatever he is the best we have got and can only learn from experience. People on this site with one or two exceptions support the guy but when he makes mistakes criticism will always follow and it is then when it is best to stop blaming everyone else and look at what else could have or should have been done. Sorry for the rant![/p][/quote]Hi RPC, rant accepted! Hope that 3 points tonight can get us back on track followed quickly by three more against the donkey lashers! GB will be a saint then![/p][/quote]He is a saint now as I doubt anyone would change places with him. As far as the next two games we should win both which will remove any other adverse comments. Struggling at the moment to make Barnsley as there may be snow circa Buxton. Rover Player for me I think. 2-1 tonight and 1-0 on saturday although a little uneasy about Blackpool game. Ronaldpetercooper
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5:08pm Tue 28 Jan 14

owd nick says...

lancs1985 wrote:
THE ONLY PERSON TO BLAME BOYWER IS YOU,

DEFEND DEFEND DEFEND

ATTACK THE GAME YOU 1ST CLASS FOOL,SICK TO BACK TEETH OF BORING DEFENSIVE RUBBISH AT EWOOD, ATTACK THE GAME FOR CHRIST SAKE
No need to shout! :-)
[quote][p][bold]lancs1985[/bold] wrote: THE ONLY PERSON TO BLAME BOYWER IS YOU, DEFEND DEFEND DEFEND ATTACK THE GAME YOU 1ST CLASS FOOL,SICK TO BACK TEETH OF BORING DEFENSIVE RUBBISH AT EWOOD, ATTACK THE GAME FOR CHRIST SAKE[/p][/quote]No need to shout! :-) owd nick
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