DAILY SPORTS DEBATE: Should Blackburn Rovers let Rochina go?

Ruben Rochina

Ruben Rochina

First published in Sport

RUBEN Rochina is a target for a number of Spanish sides with Rayo Vallecano leading the chase for the Blackburn Rovers midfielder.

Not so long ago it was suggested that Rochina, then injured with a dislocated shoulder, could be an integral cog in the Rovers attacking engine and fire them towards the top six.

But, since the Spaniard picked up the injury on the opening day of the season, Rovers have impressed in his absence and now have an abundance of talent fighting for the midfield positions.

With that in mind, is it time to cash in on the former Barcelona man?

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7:16am Fri 17 Jan 14

Tatts says...

Seems a shame to let him go. His technical ability is second to none, but having said that, he's been at the club for 3 years now, is nearly 23 and still seems to give the ball away cheaply.
Seems a shame to let him go. His technical ability is second to none, but having said that, he's been at the club for 3 years now, is nearly 23 and still seems to give the ball away cheaply. Tatts
  • Score: 12

7:35am Fri 17 Jan 14

greenscreener says...

Tatts wrote:
Seems a shame to let him go. His technical ability is second to none, but having said that, he's been at the club for 3 years now, is nearly 23 and still seems to give the ball away cheaply.
All fair points Tatts but there are times when a team needs something special to unlock a game, and we know this kid has it. Dunny is at the end of his career, and the chance of us finding or buying such skill to replace him is now remote.

On balance I think he deserves a chance, he's had Steve kean, utter turmoil and serious injury most of the time he's been here. I would give Bowyer the chance to work with him a bit longer, (maybe buy him a Matt Le Tissier video) he is still young, see if he can develop the vision and judgement he needs to make him a really good player.
[quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: Seems a shame to let him go. His technical ability is second to none, but having said that, he's been at the club for 3 years now, is nearly 23 and still seems to give the ball away cheaply.[/p][/quote]All fair points Tatts but there are times when a team needs something special to unlock a game, and we know this kid has it. Dunny is at the end of his career, and the chance of us finding or buying such skill to replace him is now remote. On balance I think he deserves a chance, he's had Steve kean, utter turmoil and serious injury most of the time he's been here. I would give Bowyer the chance to work with him a bit longer, (maybe buy him a Matt Le Tissier video) he is still young, see if he can develop the vision and judgement he needs to make him a really good player. greenscreener
  • Score: 20

7:37am Fri 17 Jan 14

forever blue and white says...

Tatts wrote:
Seems a shame to let him go. His technical ability is second to none, but having said that, he's been at the club for 3 years now, is nearly 23 and still seems to give the ball away cheaply.
Morning Tatts, I think it's very harsh for everyone to keep picking Rochina out as someone that loses the ball all the time. I am sure he is no worse than anyone else in the team. Secondly, even if Rochina does lose the ball he plays that far up field that there really should be enough people back to stop the other team. Particularly as we seem to keep playing Williamson and Lowe. Williamson does absolutely nothing for me at all. He is way to slow, offers nothing going forward and can't tackle. One of yesterday's stories was if Cairney should played out wide and Evans in the middle. I would start with Cairney and Evans in the middle and drop Williamson.
[quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: Seems a shame to let him go. His technical ability is second to none, but having said that, he's been at the club for 3 years now, is nearly 23 and still seems to give the ball away cheaply.[/p][/quote]Morning Tatts, I think it's very harsh for everyone to keep picking Rochina out as someone that loses the ball all the time. I am sure he is no worse than anyone else in the team. Secondly, even if Rochina does lose the ball he plays that far up field that there really should be enough people back to stop the other team. Particularly as we seem to keep playing Williamson and Lowe. Williamson does absolutely nothing for me at all. He is way to slow, offers nothing going forward and can't tackle. One of yesterday's stories was if Cairney should played out wide and Evans in the middle. I would start with Cairney and Evans in the middle and drop Williamson. forever blue and white
  • Score: 22

7:40am Fri 17 Jan 14

Rovers 1495 says...

What about this one ... done deal before the weekend ?

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What about this one ... done deal before the weekend ? http://www.mirror.co .uk/sport/football/t ransfer-news/crystal -palace-transfers-sc ott-dann-3029225 Rovers 1495
  • Score: -5

7:42am Fri 17 Jan 14

bburnrover says...

Well I hear Palace want both Best and Dann so if Rachina goes hopefully GB will be in a position to bring in a couple of defenders as in my opinion we still look dodgy in defence irrespective of our fans believing we have a good central partnership.City -Birmingham City of course didn't take too long to knock 3 past us which won that game at Ewood so why do fans believe Dann is a good defender? If he is good does that mean the others are rubbish?
Well I hear Palace want both Best and Dann so if Rachina goes hopefully GB will be in a position to bring in a couple of defenders as in my opinion we still look dodgy in defence irrespective of our fans believing we have a good central partnership.City -Birmingham City of course didn't take too long to knock 3 past us which won that game at Ewood so why do fans believe Dann is a good defender? If he is good does that mean the others are rubbish? bburnrover
  • Score: -4

8:12am Fri 17 Jan 14

hasslem hasslem says...

my own view on rochina is that if played correctly he could play a similar role that berkovic played back in 2000. as souness said we had someone that could unlock doors for us. however, he has to learn to be a team player rather than a lone wolf.

my palace pal put the dann/best proposal in some perspective - in order to land dann - they will take best off our hands as a sweetener for the deal. too true.
my own view on rochina is that if played correctly he could play a similar role that berkovic played back in 2000. as souness said we had someone that could unlock doors for us. however, he has to learn to be a team player rather than a lone wolf. my palace pal put the dann/best proposal in some perspective - in order to land dann - they will take best off our hands as a sweetener for the deal. too true. hasslem hasslem
  • Score: 14

8:19am Fri 17 Jan 14

Dublin rover says...

Keep him and play him till the end of the season then review the player he is a good player and gb seems to get the best out of the players. But the question should be put him is your heart in the club and does he want to play for blackburn rovers.
Keep him and play him till the end of the season then review the player he is a good player and gb seems to get the best out of the players. But the question should be put him is your heart in the club and does he want to play for blackburn rovers. Dublin rover
  • Score: 11

8:21am Fri 17 Jan 14

Harwoodstblue says...

He's hardly played since the shoulder injury so sitting on the bench Rochina isn't getting the chance. I've said before that it takes a run of games to get up to full speed after a bad injury but Bowyer doesn't seem to have the patience with him. He'll never get fully fit sat on the bench.
On the other hand Rochina seems to be a very slow learner. How long does it take to learn how to beat a man, or two, then pass the ball to a team mate in a more advantageous position? Surely this should have been coached into him by now. He needs a kick up the backside but also given the chance to play games to reach his full potential.
He's hardly played since the shoulder injury so sitting on the bench Rochina isn't getting the chance. I've said before that it takes a run of games to get up to full speed after a bad injury but Bowyer doesn't seem to have the patience with him. He'll never get fully fit sat on the bench. On the other hand Rochina seems to be a very slow learner. How long does it take to learn how to beat a man, or two, then pass the ball to a team mate in a more advantageous position? Surely this should have been coached into him by now. He needs a kick up the backside but also given the chance to play games to reach his full potential. Harwoodstblue
  • Score: 14

8:46am Fri 17 Jan 14

fitz808 says...

forever blue and white wrote:
Tatts wrote:
Seems a shame to let him go. His technical ability is second to none, but having said that, he's been at the club for 3 years now, is nearly 23 and still seems to give the ball away cheaply.
Morning Tatts, I think it's very harsh for everyone to keep picking Rochina out as someone that loses the ball all the time. I am sure he is no worse than anyone else in the team. Secondly, even if Rochina does lose the ball he plays that far up field that there really should be enough people back to stop the other team. Particularly as we seem to keep playing Williamson and Lowe. Williamson does absolutely nothing for me at all. He is way to slow, offers nothing going forward and can't tackle. One of yesterday's stories was if Cairney should played out wide and Evans in the middle. I would start with Cairney and Evans in the middle and drop Williamson.
harsh on williamson there i reckon FB&W. for me, he actually has an ability to convert defence to attack much better than the other options as a deep-lying midfielder. he's prepared to give the ball early, so that might be why it's not as easy to recognise his contribution. maybe with evans coming back, it then becomes a straight race between those two for that role.
rochina is a conundrum. yes, he can unlock a door, but you can argue that we now have cairney and possibly marshal for that. these two may well cost less in wages.
i think we all want rochina to do well, but he has to want to grow as a player. i would only let him go now if the wages were a concern. if not, then i would get him into the team soon and give him his final chance. if it works, perfect, if not then i'm sure he'd be relatively easy to offload in the summer. he certainly wouldn't be the first on my 'get rid' list!!
[quote][p][bold]forever blue and white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: Seems a shame to let him go. His technical ability is second to none, but having said that, he's been at the club for 3 years now, is nearly 23 and still seems to give the ball away cheaply.[/p][/quote]Morning Tatts, I think it's very harsh for everyone to keep picking Rochina out as someone that loses the ball all the time. I am sure he is no worse than anyone else in the team. Secondly, even if Rochina does lose the ball he plays that far up field that there really should be enough people back to stop the other team. Particularly as we seem to keep playing Williamson and Lowe. Williamson does absolutely nothing for me at all. He is way to slow, offers nothing going forward and can't tackle. One of yesterday's stories was if Cairney should played out wide and Evans in the middle. I would start with Cairney and Evans in the middle and drop Williamson.[/p][/quote]harsh on williamson there i reckon FB&W. for me, he actually has an ability to convert defence to attack much better than the other options as a deep-lying midfielder. he's prepared to give the ball early, so that might be why it's not as easy to recognise his contribution. maybe with evans coming back, it then becomes a straight race between those two for that role. rochina is a conundrum. yes, he can unlock a door, but you can argue that we now have cairney and possibly marshal for that. these two may well cost less in wages. i think we all want rochina to do well, but he has to want to grow as a player. i would only let him go now if the wages were a concern. if not, then i would get him into the team soon and give him his final chance. if it works, perfect, if not then i'm sure he'd be relatively easy to offload in the summer. he certainly wouldn't be the first on my 'get rid' list!! fitz808
  • Score: 9

9:06am Fri 17 Jan 14

reiko082 says...

Rochina is quality, but inconsistent. A 'luxury player' my dad calls it. Hold on until summer, if we're in the prem keep. If not, sell.
Rochina is quality, but inconsistent. A 'luxury player' my dad calls it. Hold on until summer, if we're in the prem keep. If not, sell. reiko082
  • Score: 9

9:32am Fri 17 Jan 14

HoghtonRover123 says...

How can we call him inconsistent this season when he hasn't played any games. He looked brilliant in the first game against Deeby but got injured, since then he hasn't had a run of games, so unfair to judge his recent development under Bowyer.

For me he should stay, still very young. Offers something different, which is creativity above the midfield and behind the striker.

There are higher earners not making the bench who need to go 1st before letting Rochina go, it was only a couple of games ago against sheff weds when fans were screaming at bowyer to get him on!!!!
How can we call him inconsistent this season when he hasn't played any games. He looked brilliant in the first game against Deeby but got injured, since then he hasn't had a run of games, so unfair to judge his recent development under Bowyer. For me he should stay, still very young. Offers something different, which is creativity above the midfield and behind the striker. There are higher earners not making the bench who need to go 1st before letting Rochina go, it was only a couple of games ago against sheff weds when fans were screaming at bowyer to get him on!!!! HoghtonRover123
  • Score: 12

9:33am Fri 17 Jan 14

Riverside 7 says...

Should we keep Rochina or let him go off on loan again. It’s a good question and I don’t believe even GB knows the answer.

I say this because GB selected Rochina for the first game of the season, and therefore presumably he thought he was good enough then.
The player has since had a lengthy lay-off but since his return he has not been given a chance.

My view is that I think GB has an aversion to creative players. Why else would he play 2 holding midfielders in home matches against teams in the bottom 3.
I would keep him at least until the end of the season as we have few creative players at the club.

If GB can’t give Rochina a game against lower opposition at home, he may as well be loaned out or sold.
Should we keep Rochina or let him go off on loan again. It’s a good question and I don’t believe even GB knows the answer. I say this because GB selected Rochina for the first game of the season, and therefore presumably he thought he was good enough then. The player has since had a lengthy lay-off but since his return he has not been given a chance. My view is that I think GB has an aversion to creative players. Why else would he play 2 holding midfielders in home matches against teams in the bottom 3. I would keep him at least until the end of the season as we have few creative players at the club. If GB can’t give Rochina a game against lower opposition at home, he may as well be loaned out or sold. Riverside 7
  • Score: 4

9:37am Fri 17 Jan 14

owd nick says...

To me he is the most frustrating player in the squad, gets me on the edge of my seat one minute then screaming with frustration the next, why he can't pass a ball is beyond me especially as we took him from Barca, a team that is all about pass - play - pass.

Opponents know that so they crowd him out until he tries to bear one man too many. I don't mind players making mistakes but when they continue to make the same ones it becomes a serious problem.

Personally I don't want to see him go but unless he learns to play as part of the team I really don't see any other option.
To me he is the most frustrating player in the squad, gets me on the edge of my seat one minute then screaming with frustration the next, why he can't pass a ball is beyond me especially as we took him from Barca, a team that is all about pass - play - pass. Opponents know that so they crowd him out until he tries to bear one man too many. I don't mind players making mistakes but when they continue to make the same ones it becomes a serious problem. Personally I don't want to see him go but unless he learns to play as part of the team I really don't see any other option. owd nick
  • Score: 12

9:57am Fri 17 Jan 14

realisticrover says...

Problem is, as great a talent as he is, GB wont be able to offer him a guaranteed start, he's more of a player to throw in for the odd game or as a sub, and I'm sure the lad will want to move back to Spain. Much as GB likes him, probably best to let him move on, free up the wage bill and plan without him...
Interesting on Dann...he's a Scouser, as is his girlfriend and seems to be really enjoying life at Ewood. Palace will probably still end up in a relegation scrap blah blah, so I'd guess he'd prefer to stay - but again, he'll be one of the big earners, so the club will pobably choose to sell him!
Problem is, as great a talent as he is, GB wont be able to offer him a guaranteed start, he's more of a player to throw in for the odd game or as a sub, and I'm sure the lad will want to move back to Spain. Much as GB likes him, probably best to let him move on, free up the wage bill and plan without him... Interesting on Dann...he's a Scouser, as is his girlfriend and seems to be really enjoying life at Ewood. Palace will probably still end up in a relegation scrap blah blah, so I'd guess he'd prefer to stay - but again, he'll be one of the big earners, so the club will pobably choose to sell him! realisticrover
  • Score: 2

10:08am Fri 17 Jan 14

we.love.u.venkys. says...

Why keep a player who clearly doesn't want to be there? Let him move on.
Why keep a player who clearly doesn't want to be there? Let him move on. we.love.u.venkys.
  • Score: 0

10:17am Fri 17 Jan 14

we.love.u.venkys. says...

Looks like QPR are about to drop £8 million on Rhodes.

At least you've still got Rudy "The Hat" Gestede, Leon "AWOL" Best and DJ Gamble to fire you towards the play-off's.

What a shambles.
Looks like QPR are about to drop £8 million on Rhodes. At least you've still got Rudy "The Hat" Gestede, Leon "AWOL" Best and DJ Gamble to fire you towards the play-off's. What a shambles. we.love.u.venkys.
  • Score: -6

10:17am Fri 17 Jan 14

RoverTheHill says...

Riverside 7 wrote:
Should we keep Rochina or let him go off on loan again. It’s a good question and I don’t believe even GB knows the answer.

I say this because GB selected Rochina for the first game of the season, and therefore presumably he thought he was good enough then.
The player has since had a lengthy lay-off but since his return he has not been given a chance.

My view is that I think GB has an aversion to creative players. Why else would he play 2 holding midfielders in home matches against teams in the bottom 3.
I would keep him at least until the end of the season as we have few creative players at the club.

If GB can’t give Rochina a game against lower opposition at home, he may as well be loaned out or sold.
Yep and thats why GB brought in Cairney (far more creative than Rochina and he only has 1 foot!), Taylor, Evans, Marshall (a far better player than Rochina), hell even Gestede only took 2 games to make an impact. GB obviously has an aversion to creative players.......

Rochina has had far too much time to develop into a team player and still isn't showing any progress. For me it's time for him to go. If his loan last season showed us anything it's that even relegation struggles in Spain didn't really rate him.

Not even a Luxury player anyone, just a liability, I'd much rather play Cairney Marshall and even King (who appears to have as much ball control as my Gran as is shown by his massive bursts of speed forward but completely leaving the ball behind!!).
[quote][p][bold]Riverside 7[/bold] wrote: Should we keep Rochina or let him go off on loan again. It’s a good question and I don’t believe even GB knows the answer. I say this because GB selected Rochina for the first game of the season, and therefore presumably he thought he was good enough then. The player has since had a lengthy lay-off but since his return he has not been given a chance. My view is that I think GB has an aversion to creative players. Why else would he play 2 holding midfielders in home matches against teams in the bottom 3. I would keep him at least until the end of the season as we have few creative players at the club. If GB can’t give Rochina a game against lower opposition at home, he may as well be loaned out or sold.[/p][/quote]Yep and thats why GB brought in Cairney (far more creative than Rochina and he only has 1 foot!), Taylor, Evans, Marshall (a far better player than Rochina), hell even Gestede only took 2 games to make an impact. GB obviously has an aversion to creative players....... Rochina has had far too much time to develop into a team player and still isn't showing any progress. For me it's time for him to go. If his loan last season showed us anything it's that even relegation struggles in Spain didn't really rate him. Not even a Luxury player anyone, just a liability, I'd much rather play Cairney Marshall and even King (who appears to have as much ball control as my Gran as is shown by his massive bursts of speed forward but completely leaving the ball behind!!). RoverTheHill
  • Score: 1

10:25am Fri 17 Jan 14

French Rover says...

I would love too see Rochina playing for us every week.
Within a minute he can be both so exasperating and yet so exciting.
He can have you off your seat with some of his amazing skills as he glides past defender after defender and opens up opportunities or by shooting at goal from any angle with any foot - but then he can have you on your back in frustration as he takes on one man too many or misses picking out a collegaue in a great position to score.

Not many players can get fans on their feet whenever they receive the ball in expectation of what will happen next - but Rochina is one of those players that can. I think we could have a superb pairing with Rochina and Cairney, who I dont think played together yet? They would frighten most teams to death with their skills and abilities, they can both score goals from open play or free kicks, and how many goals would they make for Rhodes and Gestade? The mouth waters at the prospect!

We should keep him and play him every game - and enjoy the experience of seeing a truly gifted player in a Blue and White shirt again.
I would love too see Rochina playing for us every week. Within a minute he can be both so exasperating and yet so exciting. He can have you off your seat with some of his amazing skills as he glides past defender after defender and opens up opportunities or by shooting at goal from any angle with any foot - but then he can have you on your back in frustration as he takes on one man too many or misses picking out a collegaue in a great position to score. Not many players can get fans on their feet whenever they receive the ball in expectation of what will happen next - but Rochina is one of those players that can. I think we could have a superb pairing with Rochina and Cairney, who I dont think played together yet? They would frighten most teams to death with their skills and abilities, they can both score goals from open play or free kicks, and how many goals would they make for Rhodes and Gestade? The mouth waters at the prospect! We should keep him and play him every game - and enjoy the experience of seeing a truly gifted player in a Blue and White shirt again. French Rover
  • Score: 6

10:46am Fri 17 Jan 14

ChrisDeBerg says...

Rochina is echoed above as being a creative midfielder... But can you have too much creativity in football? Maybe? Sometimes it's the simple pass/shot that is most effective!

I see Rochina getting a clear right footed chance of scoring and what does he do? Swings the left foot round the back of his right for the shot, fancy ok, on target yes, but surely if he hit it hard with his right he would have had more chance of scoring?!?

He steps over one, steps round another, shimmy past a 3rd.... then hits the brick wall of a 6ft defender head on because he thinks he is unstoppable... This is also a massive problem!

GB has a wealth of experience with the youngsters, so do I think Rochina should stay? Yes I do... But I also think GB should give him a clip round ear hole and tell him to be a team player... If he steps round a couple of players and gives it every time we would be ripping the opposition defences apart, scoring more goals... Rochina just needs to simplify his creativity, simple!!
Rochina is echoed above as being a creative midfielder... But can you have too much creativity in football? Maybe? Sometimes it's the simple pass/shot that is most effective! I see Rochina getting a clear right footed chance of scoring and what does he do? Swings the left foot round the back of his right for the shot, fancy ok, on target yes, but surely if he hit it hard with his right he would have had more chance of scoring?!? He steps over one, steps round another, shimmy past a 3rd.... then hits the brick wall of a 6ft defender head on because he thinks he is unstoppable... This is also a massive problem! GB has a wealth of experience with the youngsters, so do I think Rochina should stay? Yes I do... But I also think GB should give him a clip round ear hole and tell him to be a team player... If he steps round a couple of players and gives it every time we would be ripping the opposition defences apart, scoring more goals... Rochina just needs to simplify his creativity, simple!! ChrisDeBerg
  • Score: 8

10:53am Fri 17 Jan 14

ChrisDeBerg says...

ChrisDeBerg wrote:
Rochina is echoed above as being a creative midfielder... But can you have too much creativity in football? Maybe? Sometimes it's the simple pass/shot that is most effective!

I see Rochina getting a clear right footed chance of scoring and what does he do? Swings the left foot round the back of his right for the shot, fancy ok, on target yes, but surely if he hit it hard with his right he would have had more chance of scoring?!?

He steps over one, steps round another, shimmy past a 3rd.... then hits the brick wall of a 6ft defender head on because he thinks he is unstoppable... This is also a massive problem!

GB has a wealth of experience with the youngsters, so do I think Rochina should stay? Yes I do... But I also think GB should give him a clip round ear hole and tell him to be a team player... If he steps round a couple of players and gives it every time we would be ripping the opposition defences apart, scoring more goals... Rochina just needs to simplify his creativity, simple!!
Oh, I've found the shot in question.... The build up to the shot basically is everything that everyone above is saying....

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=OaubTi0Dt
jY
[quote][p][bold]ChrisDeBerg[/bold] wrote: Rochina is echoed above as being a creative midfielder... But can you have too much creativity in football? Maybe? Sometimes it's the simple pass/shot that is most effective! I see Rochina getting a clear right footed chance of scoring and what does he do? Swings the left foot round the back of his right for the shot, fancy ok, on target yes, but surely if he hit it hard with his right he would have had more chance of scoring?!? He steps over one, steps round another, shimmy past a 3rd.... then hits the brick wall of a 6ft defender head on because he thinks he is unstoppable... This is also a massive problem! GB has a wealth of experience with the youngsters, so do I think Rochina should stay? Yes I do... But I also think GB should give him a clip round ear hole and tell him to be a team player... If he steps round a couple of players and gives it every time we would be ripping the opposition defences apart, scoring more goals... Rochina just needs to simplify his creativity, simple!![/p][/quote]Oh, I've found the shot in question.... The build up to the shot basically is everything that everyone above is saying.... http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=OaubTi0Dt jY ChrisDeBerg
  • Score: 1

11:16am Fri 17 Jan 14

leitchy says...

Just needs game time....and he's a match winner......keep him!
Just needs game time....and he's a match winner......keep him! leitchy
  • Score: 2

11:23am Fri 17 Jan 14

A Rover 45 years and over says...

We should keep him and use him to unlock defences. There is no point letting a talent like this go when Dunny is finished really. Especially when we have a lot of other guys that should be moved first. But he needs to be played on a regular basis though to get the best out of him, not 10 minutes here and there and on the bench for the rest of it. Not sure who I would drop though but would definately use him instead of Cambell.
We should keep him and use him to unlock defences. There is no point letting a talent like this go when Dunny is finished really. Especially when we have a lot of other guys that should be moved first. But he needs to be played on a regular basis though to get the best out of him, not 10 minutes here and there and on the bench for the rest of it. Not sure who I would drop though but would definately use him instead of Cambell. A Rover 45 years and over
  • Score: 5

11:55am Fri 17 Jan 14

oreilly21 says...

I don't think that he has a sufficient run in the first team this season and maybe he deserves one before we let his immense talent go.
I would give him the next 6 months to salvage his Blackburn career, give him a few games with the reserves and hope that he can push his way into the first team for a decent run.
there is no doubting his talent or his potential, surely its up to our coaches to realise that potential shine up this rough diamond.
I don't think that he has a sufficient run in the first team this season and maybe he deserves one before we let his immense talent go. I would give him the next 6 months to salvage his Blackburn career, give him a few games with the reserves and hope that he can push his way into the first team for a decent run. there is no doubting his talent or his potential, surely its up to our coaches to realise that potential shine up this rough diamond. oreilly21
  • Score: 1

12:14pm Fri 17 Jan 14

bburnrover says...

Well the consensus is to keep him or sell him for 5 million.
Well the consensus is to keep him or sell him for 5 million. bburnrover
  • Score: -3

12:59pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Angry From Accrington says...

Personally I believe we should keep him and play him but as GB clearly doesn't rate him I would say sell him rather than loan him. If a number of clubs are after him he has to have some value to them.
Personally I believe we should keep him and play him but as GB clearly doesn't rate him I would say sell him rather than loan him. If a number of clubs are after him he has to have some value to them. Angry From Accrington
  • Score: 0

1:02pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Wild Rover says...

Read all above ( ignoring IluvMadame) I can see both view points..
But, I would say get rid. He is a lost cause imo.
He has had enough chances to change his style and play a pass, he has not taken them. Birminghams 2nd (?) was entirely down to him giving the ball awayAND giving up on it, allowing the strike on goal
Lovely lad, lots of skill but no football brain
Time to go.
Read all above ( ignoring IluvMadame) I can see both view points.. But, I would say get rid. He is a lost cause imo. He has had enough chances to change his style and play a pass, he has not taken them. Birminghams 2nd (?) was entirely down to him giving the ball awayAND giving up on it, allowing the strike on goal Lovely lad, lots of skill but no football brain Time to go. Wild Rover
  • Score: -3

1:18pm Fri 17 Jan 14

we.love.u.venkys. says...

Hilarious reading the no-dad comment on how Rochina is no longer good enough for you just because he wants away from Deadwood. Typical.

This is one player who has genuine potential, and even though the rest of your dollopers drag him down, his ability shines through.

Just watch him flourish when he gets the move he's longing for, playing in a proper footballing side. Look at David Jones for an example of this. Since his step up in class to the Clarets he's fast becoming one of the best central midfielders in the Championship. You'd give anything to have a player of that quality back in your ranks, yet you continue to let your better players leave only to replace them with cheaper, poorer alternatives.

A sign of your demise if ever one was needed is the quality of player being brought in recently by Bowyer, Rudy Gestede? Will Vaulks? While the likes of Scott Dann, Rochina and Rhodes are likely to be gone by the end of January.

I can see you struggling from February. It's not looking good for Rovers.
Hilarious reading the no-dad comment on how Rochina is no longer good enough for you just because he wants away from Deadwood. Typical. This is one player who has genuine potential, and even though the rest of your dollopers drag him down, his ability shines through. Just watch him flourish when he gets the move he's longing for, playing in a proper footballing side. Look at David Jones for an example of this. Since his step up in class to the Clarets he's fast becoming one of the best central midfielders in the Championship. You'd give anything to have a player of that quality back in your ranks, yet you continue to let your better players leave only to replace them with cheaper, poorer alternatives. A sign of your demise if ever one was needed is the quality of player being brought in recently by Bowyer, Rudy Gestede? Will Vaulks? While the likes of Scott Dann, Rochina and Rhodes are likely to be gone by the end of January. I can see you struggling from February. It's not looking good for Rovers. we.love.u.venkys.
  • Score: -6

1:23pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Wild Rover says...

we.love.u.venkys. wrote:
Looks like QPR are about to drop £8 million on Rhodes.

At least you've still got Rudy "The Hat" Gestede, Leon "AWOL" Best and DJ Gamble to fire you towards the play-off's.

What a shambles.
As I stated previously, why? Have they realised that Austin ia a donkey?
8 million? and to a club we are likely to compete against for promotion?
Silly boy, we are in debt you know and promotion is worth 200 million according to you. Now, not even Venks are that stupid
We are well within reach of the play offs, so no, I do not think we will sell him you clown...
Jeez, how stupid are you? Dont answer we know!
Now if you want to waste your time coming back with your usual fantasy based rants about Rovers apocalypse then fine, but no one is listening.
We all know you are just a to55 pot
[quote][p][bold]we.love.u.venkys.[/bold] wrote: Looks like QPR are about to drop £8 million on Rhodes. At least you've still got Rudy "The Hat" Gestede, Leon "AWOL" Best and DJ Gamble to fire you towards the play-off's. What a shambles.[/p][/quote]As I stated previously, why? Have they realised that Austin ia a donkey? 8 million? and to a club we are likely to compete against for promotion? Silly boy, we are in debt you know and promotion is worth 200 million according to you. Now, not even Venks are that stupid We are well within reach of the play offs, so no, I do not think we will sell him you clown... Jeez, how stupid are you? Dont answer we know! Now if you want to waste your time coming back with your usual fantasy based rants about Rovers apocalypse then fine, but no one is listening. We all know you are just a to55 pot Wild Rover
  • Score: 4

1:44pm Fri 17 Jan 14

eddyo says...

fitz808 wrote:
forever blue and white wrote:
Tatts wrote:
Seems a shame to let him go. His technical ability is second to none, but having said that, he's been at the club for 3 years now, is nearly 23 and still seems to give the ball away cheaply.
Morning Tatts, I think it's very harsh for everyone to keep picking Rochina out as someone that loses the ball all the time. I am sure he is no worse than anyone else in the team. Secondly, even if Rochina does lose the ball he plays that far up field that there really should be enough people back to stop the other team. Particularly as we seem to keep playing Williamson and Lowe. Williamson does absolutely nothing for me at all. He is way to slow, offers nothing going forward and can't tackle. One of yesterday's stories was if Cairney should played out wide and Evans in the middle. I would start with Cairney and Evans in the middle and drop Williamson.
harsh on williamson there i reckon FB&W. for me, he actually has an ability to convert defence to attack much better than the other options as a deep-lying midfielder. he's prepared to give the ball early, so that might be why it's not as easy to recognise his contribution. maybe with evans coming back, it then becomes a straight race between those two for that role.
rochina is a conundrum. yes, he can unlock a door, but you can argue that we now have cairney and possibly marshal for that. these two may well cost less in wages.
i think we all want rochina to do well, but he has to want to grow as a player. i would only let him go now if the wages were a concern. if not, then i would get him into the team soon and give him his final chance. if it works, perfect, if not then i'm sure he'd be relatively easy to offload in the summer. he certainly wouldn't be the first on my 'get rid' list!!
You are watching a different game from the rest of us. Williamson has one thing to his game - he is cool under pressure.
*
But he is slow, weedy and cannot tackle.He let's the opposition player get up his chuff and half the time goes on to lose possession.
[quote][p][bold]fitz808[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forever blue and white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: Seems a shame to let him go. His technical ability is second to none, but having said that, he's been at the club for 3 years now, is nearly 23 and still seems to give the ball away cheaply.[/p][/quote]Morning Tatts, I think it's very harsh for everyone to keep picking Rochina out as someone that loses the ball all the time. I am sure he is no worse than anyone else in the team. Secondly, even if Rochina does lose the ball he plays that far up field that there really should be enough people back to stop the other team. Particularly as we seem to keep playing Williamson and Lowe. Williamson does absolutely nothing for me at all. He is way to slow, offers nothing going forward and can't tackle. One of yesterday's stories was if Cairney should played out wide and Evans in the middle. I would start with Cairney and Evans in the middle and drop Williamson.[/p][/quote]harsh on williamson there i reckon FB&W. for me, he actually has an ability to convert defence to attack much better than the other options as a deep-lying midfielder. he's prepared to give the ball early, so that might be why it's not as easy to recognise his contribution. maybe with evans coming back, it then becomes a straight race between those two for that role. rochina is a conundrum. yes, he can unlock a door, but you can argue that we now have cairney and possibly marshal for that. these two may well cost less in wages. i think we all want rochina to do well, but he has to want to grow as a player. i would only let him go now if the wages were a concern. if not, then i would get him into the team soon and give him his final chance. if it works, perfect, if not then i'm sure he'd be relatively easy to offload in the summer. he certainly wouldn't be the first on my 'get rid' list!![/p][/quote]You are watching a different game from the rest of us. Williamson has one thing to his game - he is cool under pressure. * But he is slow, weedy and cannot tackle.He let's the opposition player get up his chuff and half the time goes on to lose possession. eddyo
  • Score: 2

1:47pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Wild Rover says...

I rest my case WLUV
I thought we were meant to be struggling now? Relegated by Xmas
.To55er
I rest my case WLUV I thought we were meant to be struggling now? Relegated by Xmas .To55er Wild Rover
  • Score: 3

2:33pm Fri 17 Jan 14

fitz808 says...

Angry From Accrington wrote:
Personally I believe we should keep him and play him but as GB clearly doesn't rate him I would say sell him rather than loan him. If a number of clubs are after him he has to have some value to them.
i'm not sure i can agree with those saying bowyer doesn't rate him. i think he very much does. the simple fact is that he hasn't been available for the squad for too long and in that time we have been playing well, so it's not really possible to accommodate him.
bowyer worked quite a bit with him in the youth setup, and has always been very positive about him when interviewed.
it comes down to this - is he the luxury we can afford, given the new creative choices we have and the cost of his wages. a year ago, we simply did not have anyone who could create chances. i would argue we now have a few, so he is less of immediate requirement for the team.
[quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: Personally I believe we should keep him and play him but as GB clearly doesn't rate him I would say sell him rather than loan him. If a number of clubs are after him he has to have some value to them.[/p][/quote]i'm not sure i can agree with those saying bowyer doesn't rate him. i think he very much does. the simple fact is that he hasn't been available for the squad for too long and in that time we have been playing well, so it's not really possible to accommodate him. bowyer worked quite a bit with him in the youth setup, and has always been very positive about him when interviewed. it comes down to this - is he the luxury we can afford, given the new creative choices we have and the cost of his wages. a year ago, we simply did not have anyone who could create chances. i would argue we now have a few, so he is less of immediate requirement for the team. fitz808
  • Score: -3

3:49pm Fri 17 Jan 14

flowersorseaman? says...

Should Rovers let Rochina go? No.

Plenty in the queue ahead of Ruben that need to be sent packing, Etuhu, DJ, Best, dare I say even Robbo if it's a wages issue. Plus he should be given some game time, he's too good for this league.

Was quite amusing to see that City have 5 less players in their squad than we do and with cup runs and European matches they'll probably play 20 more matches than us!
Should Rovers let Rochina go? No. Plenty in the queue ahead of Ruben that need to be sent packing, Etuhu, DJ, Best, dare I say even Robbo if it's a wages issue. Plus he should be given some game time, he's too good for this league. Was quite amusing to see that City have 5 less players in their squad than we do and with cup runs and European matches they'll probably play 20 more matches than us! flowersorseaman?
  • Score: 1

4:16pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Wild Rover says...

we.love.u.venkys. wrote:
Wild Rover wrote:
I rest my case WLUV
I thought we were meant to be struggling now? Relegated by Xmas
.To55er
According to some of you mongrels, its Burnley that were supposed to have dropped out of the play-off positions by now..

Remember your pre-Christmas semi at the thought of Burnley's magnificent run coming to an end? At the thought of Burnley's "usual Christmas collapse"?

Here's how well you are catching us up.....

30 Nov 2013. 17 games played. Points difference 12, goal difference 14
15 Jan 2014. 25 games played. Points difference 13, goal difference 16

So much for that much anticipated Christmas catch-up. what happened? Why are you still so far behind us?

Mid-table for you clowns after your next two league results bring a little reality back to the situation.

Promotion for the Clarets. But you already know that deep down, don't you..
Ah but, you as ever bend the truth to suit your fantasies
None of said we would catch you by Xmas, and again what we said was you would not be in automatic slots come May
Fat Lady no singy yet Gimp
Btw what happens IF and thats a big if the Clarts do get promoted?
Where the money go? Messi, Ronaldo, Aguero?
New stadium? Or will it just dissapear like the last time?
Just asking
[quote][p][bold]we.love.u.venkys.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: I rest my case WLUV I thought we were meant to be struggling now? Relegated by Xmas .To55er[/p][/quote]According to some of you mongrels, its Burnley that were supposed to have dropped out of the play-off positions by now.. Remember your pre-Christmas semi at the thought of Burnley's magnificent run coming to an end? At the thought of Burnley's "usual Christmas collapse"? Here's how well you are catching us up..... 30 Nov 2013. 17 games played. Points difference 12, goal difference 14 15 Jan 2014. 25 games played. Points difference 13, goal difference 16 So much for that much anticipated Christmas catch-up. what happened? Why are you still so far behind us? Mid-table for you clowns after your next two league results bring a little reality back to the situation. Promotion for the Clarets. But you already know that deep down, don't you..[/p][/quote]Ah but, you as ever bend the truth to suit your fantasies None of said we would catch you by Xmas, and again what we said was you would not be in automatic slots come May Fat Lady no singy yet Gimp Btw what happens IF and thats a big if the Clarts do get promoted? Where the money go? Messi, Ronaldo, Aguero? New stadium? Or will it just dissapear like the last time? Just asking Wild Rover
  • Score: 1

4:18pm Fri 17 Jan 14

realisticrover says...

flowersorseaman? wrote:
Should Rovers let Rochina go? No.

Plenty in the queue ahead of Ruben that need to be sent packing, Etuhu, DJ, Best, dare I say even Robbo if it's a wages issue. Plus he should be given some game time, he's too good for this league.

Was quite amusing to see that City have 5 less players in their squad than we do and with cup runs and European matches they'll probably play 20 more matches than us!
I think you answered your own question there, flowers, with the last sentence. Sad as it is Reuben has to go...
[quote][p][bold]flowersorseaman?[/bold] wrote: Should Rovers let Rochina go? No. Plenty in the queue ahead of Ruben that need to be sent packing, Etuhu, DJ, Best, dare I say even Robbo if it's a wages issue. Plus he should be given some game time, he's too good for this league. Was quite amusing to see that City have 5 less players in their squad than we do and with cup runs and European matches they'll probably play 20 more matches than us![/p][/quote]I think you answered your own question there, flowers, with the last sentence. Sad as it is Reuben has to go... realisticrover
  • Score: 0

5:05pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Riverside 7 says...

RoverTheHill wrote:
Riverside 7 wrote:
Should we keep Rochina or let him go off on loan again. It’s a good question and I don’t believe even GB knows the answer.

I say this because GB selected Rochina for the first game of the season, and therefore presumably he thought he was good enough then.
The player has since had a lengthy lay-off but since his return he has not been given a chance.

My view is that I think GB has an aversion to creative players. Why else would he play 2 holding midfielders in home matches against teams in the bottom 3.
I would keep him at least until the end of the season as we have few creative players at the club.

If GB can’t give Rochina a game against lower opposition at home, he may as well be loaned out or sold.
Yep and thats why GB brought in Cairney (far more creative than Rochina and he only has 1 foot!), Taylor, Evans, Marshall (a far better player than Rochina), hell even Gestede only took 2 games to make an impact. GB obviously has an aversion to creative players.......

Rochina has had far too much time to develop into a team player and still isn't showing any progress. For me it's time for him to go. If his loan last season showed us anything it's that even relegation struggles in Spain didn't really rate him.

Not even a Luxury player anyone, just a liability, I'd much rather play Cairney Marshall and even King (who appears to have as much ball control as my Gran as is shown by his massive bursts of speed forward but completely leaving the ball behind!!).
How do you know he isn't showing any progess, he's hardly played this season so it is impossble to judge him.

As we will be lucky to get a half dozen more games out of Dunny this season I feel we should keep him until the end of May.

As for the so-called creative players you mention, they have often struggled to break down poor sides at Ewood this season.
If we need someone to unlock a defence and possibly score a winner, Rochina is a better option than Taylor, Evans or Marshall.
[quote][p][bold]RoverTheHill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Riverside 7[/bold] wrote: Should we keep Rochina or let him go off on loan again. It’s a good question and I don’t believe even GB knows the answer. I say this because GB selected Rochina for the first game of the season, and therefore presumably he thought he was good enough then. The player has since had a lengthy lay-off but since his return he has not been given a chance. My view is that I think GB has an aversion to creative players. Why else would he play 2 holding midfielders in home matches against teams in the bottom 3. I would keep him at least until the end of the season as we have few creative players at the club. If GB can’t give Rochina a game against lower opposition at home, he may as well be loaned out or sold.[/p][/quote]Yep and thats why GB brought in Cairney (far more creative than Rochina and he only has 1 foot!), Taylor, Evans, Marshall (a far better player than Rochina), hell even Gestede only took 2 games to make an impact. GB obviously has an aversion to creative players....... Rochina has had far too much time to develop into a team player and still isn't showing any progress. For me it's time for him to go. If his loan last season showed us anything it's that even relegation struggles in Spain didn't really rate him. Not even a Luxury player anyone, just a liability, I'd much rather play Cairney Marshall and even King (who appears to have as much ball control as my Gran as is shown by his massive bursts of speed forward but completely leaving the ball behind!!).[/p][/quote]How do you know he isn't showing any progess, he's hardly played this season so it is impossble to judge him. As we will be lucky to get a half dozen more games out of Dunny this season I feel we should keep him until the end of May. As for the so-called creative players you mention, they have often struggled to break down poor sides at Ewood this season. If we need someone to unlock a defence and possibly score a winner, Rochina is a better option than Taylor, Evans or Marshall. Riverside 7
  • Score: 4

8:22pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Wild Rover says...

Sorry R7, I think you are wrong. He aint gonna make it in this country. We have seen so many it's hard not to see it.
Sorry R7, I think you are wrong. He aint gonna make it in this country. We have seen so many it's hard not to see it. Wild Rover
  • Score: 0

8:45pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Angry From Accrington says...

fitz808 wrote:
Angry From Accrington wrote:
Personally I believe we should keep him and play him but as GB clearly doesn't rate him I would say sell him rather than loan him. If a number of clubs are after him he has to have some value to them.
i'm not sure i can agree with those saying bowyer doesn't rate him. i think he very much does. the simple fact is that he hasn't been available for the squad for too long and in that time we have been playing well, so it's not really possible to accommodate him.
bowyer worked quite a bit with him in the youth setup, and has always been very positive about him when interviewed.
it comes down to this - is he the luxury we can afford, given the new creative choices we have and the cost of his wages. a year ago, we simply did not have anyone who could create chances. i would argue we now have a few, so he is less of immediate requirement for the team.
Who are the alternative creative choices.?
[quote][p][bold]fitz808[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Angry From Accrington[/bold] wrote: Personally I believe we should keep him and play him but as GB clearly doesn't rate him I would say sell him rather than loan him. If a number of clubs are after him he has to have some value to them.[/p][/quote]i'm not sure i can agree with those saying bowyer doesn't rate him. i think he very much does. the simple fact is that he hasn't been available for the squad for too long and in that time we have been playing well, so it's not really possible to accommodate him. bowyer worked quite a bit with him in the youth setup, and has always been very positive about him when interviewed. it comes down to this - is he the luxury we can afford, given the new creative choices we have and the cost of his wages. a year ago, we simply did not have anyone who could create chances. i would argue we now have a few, so he is less of immediate requirement for the team.[/p][/quote]Who are the alternative creative choices.? Angry From Accrington
  • Score: 0

10:22pm Fri 17 Jan 14

MxMave says...

I don't think its up to us. Rochina will want a move away. He clearly thinks he is gods gift to football. I don't understand why Bowyer won't play him. For me, the errors in his game are the best kind of errors - the ones you can train out. He has 100% skill and 0% experience/common sense. If we loose him then we really do only have Dunny as the only door opener. A team should have 2 or 3 in their playing squad to get promoted and we normally set up with none. Personally I think Bowyer and Rochina have fallen out at some stage, possibly after the rabona shot. You can't have a player with that kind of skill and never play him without a reason.
I don't think its up to us. Rochina will want a move away. He clearly thinks he is gods gift to football. I don't understand why Bowyer won't play him. For me, the errors in his game are the best kind of errors - the ones you can train out. He has 100% skill and 0% experience/common sense. If we loose him then we really do only have Dunny as the only door opener. A team should have 2 or 3 in their playing squad to get promoted and we normally set up with none. Personally I think Bowyer and Rochina have fallen out at some stage, possibly after the rabona shot. You can't have a player with that kind of skill and never play him without a reason. MxMave
  • Score: 0

7:03am Sat 18 Jan 14

forever blue and white says...

eddyo wrote:
fitz808 wrote:
forever blue and white wrote:
Tatts wrote:
Seems a shame to let him go. His technical ability is second to none, but having said that, he's been at the club for 3 years now, is nearly 23 and still seems to give the ball away cheaply.
Morning Tatts, I think it's very harsh for everyone to keep picking Rochina out as someone that loses the ball all the time. I am sure he is no worse than anyone else in the team. Secondly, even if Rochina does lose the ball he plays that far up field that there really should be enough people back to stop the other team. Particularly as we seem to keep playing Williamson and Lowe. Williamson does absolutely nothing for me at all. He is way to slow, offers nothing going forward and can't tackle. One of yesterday's stories was if Cairney should played out wide and Evans in the middle. I would start with Cairney and Evans in the middle and drop Williamson.
harsh on williamson there i reckon FB&W. for me, he actually has an ability to convert defence to attack much better than the other options as a deep-lying midfielder. he's prepared to give the ball early, so that might be why it's not as easy to recognise his contribution. maybe with evans coming back, it then becomes a straight race between those two for that role.
rochina is a conundrum. yes, he can unlock a door, but you can argue that we now have cairney and possibly marshal for that. these two may well cost less in wages.
i think we all want rochina to do well, but he has to want to grow as a player. i would only let him go now if the wages were a concern. if not, then i would get him into the team soon and give him his final chance. if it works, perfect, if not then i'm sure he'd be relatively easy to offload in the summer. he certainly wouldn't be the first on my 'get rid' list!!
You are watching a different game from the rest of us. Williamson has one thing to his game - he is cool under pressure.
*
But he is slow, weedy and cannot tackle.He let's the opposition player get up his chuff and half the time goes on to lose possession.
I have to agree with Eddyo and completely disagree with Fitz but I guess the game is about different opinions. At least we have not had a dimwit dingle interrupting our conversation
[quote][p][bold]eddyo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fitz808[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forever blue and white[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: Seems a shame to let him go. His technical ability is second to none, but having said that, he's been at the club for 3 years now, is nearly 23 and still seems to give the ball away cheaply.[/p][/quote]Morning Tatts, I think it's very harsh for everyone to keep picking Rochina out as someone that loses the ball all the time. I am sure he is no worse than anyone else in the team. Secondly, even if Rochina does lose the ball he plays that far up field that there really should be enough people back to stop the other team. Particularly as we seem to keep playing Williamson and Lowe. Williamson does absolutely nothing for me at all. He is way to slow, offers nothing going forward and can't tackle. One of yesterday's stories was if Cairney should played out wide and Evans in the middle. I would start with Cairney and Evans in the middle and drop Williamson.[/p][/quote]harsh on williamson there i reckon FB&W. for me, he actually has an ability to convert defence to attack much better than the other options as a deep-lying midfielder. he's prepared to give the ball early, so that might be why it's not as easy to recognise his contribution. maybe with evans coming back, it then becomes a straight race between those two for that role. rochina is a conundrum. yes, he can unlock a door, but you can argue that we now have cairney and possibly marshal for that. these two may well cost less in wages. i think we all want rochina to do well, but he has to want to grow as a player. i would only let him go now if the wages were a concern. if not, then i would get him into the team soon and give him his final chance. if it works, perfect, if not then i'm sure he'd be relatively easy to offload in the summer. he certainly wouldn't be the first on my 'get rid' list!![/p][/quote]You are watching a different game from the rest of us. Williamson has one thing to his game - he is cool under pressure. * But he is slow, weedy and cannot tackle.He let's the opposition player get up his chuff and half the time goes on to lose possession.[/p][/quote]I have to agree with Eddyo and completely disagree with Fitz but I guess the game is about different opinions. At least we have not had a dimwit dingle interrupting our conversation forever blue and white
  • Score: 0

2:22pm Sat 18 Jan 14

PersianRover says...

MUST KEEP HIM.

When King loses the ball we dont say anything, when Rochina loses the ball we make a meal of it.

Against Derby on the opening day of the season, Rochina was class and by far our best player. If we was not injured we would have won the game.
MUST KEEP HIM. When King loses the ball we dont say anything, when Rochina loses the ball we make a meal of it. Against Derby on the opening day of the season, Rochina was class and by far our best player. If we was not injured we would have won the game. PersianRover
  • Score: 0

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