Rovers boss Bowyer close to permanent move for striker Gestede

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BLACKBURN Rovers hope to seal a permanent move for striker Rudy Gestede when the transfer window opens tomorrow.

The 25-year-old’s initial loan from Cardiff City runs out after the New Year’s Day encounter at Leeds United.

But Rovers boss Bowyer is confident Gestede will sign a permanent deal.

Cardiff are willing to sell the Benin international for a small fee as he is out of contract in the summer – and Bowyer is keen to keep him.

“Hopefully we can get it over the line,” said Bowyer.

“I think in the last two games the fans have started to see what he is capable of and what an asset he could be for our football club.

“He’s got fantastic work rate and you look at the size and the strength he has got.

“He’s also got pace which he showed against Sheffield Wednesday when he got past the defender and should have done better with the finish.

“We just need him to get that first goal and then he’ll be flying.”

Gestede, after four substitute appearances and one start, has yet to open his account for Rovers.

One player being linked with a move away from Rovers is Alan Judge.

League One sides Brentford and Sheffield United have both expressed interest in taking the midfielder on loan.

But the Blades appeared to pull out of the race for his signature on Sunday when their assistant manager Andy Garner said: “We were looking at him, he was one of the players were interested in.

“I think something might have been done with another club.”

Bowyer, however, insists Judge’s departure is not a foregone conclusion.

The 25-year-old Irishman, who returned to Rovers in the summer on a free transfer from Notts County, came on against Birmingham and he is expected to be in the squad against Leeds.

Bowyer said: “He wants to play for us, that’s for sure, but at the same time he wants to play football and you have to admire him for that.

“He’s not just one of those who wants to sit on his wages. He wants to play football so it is something we’ll monitor as we go along.

“I fully expect him to be in the squad on Wednesday.”

Bowyer also confirmed that former Rovers defender Lucas Neill is training with the club at Brockhall but the Australia captain is not expected to sign a deal at Ewood Park.

Neill, who has family based in Blackburn, is a free agent after his release from Japanese outfit Omiya Ardija in November.

And Bowyer has given the 35-year-old the chance to keep his fitness up while he searches for a club.

Neill is believed to have been told by Australia coach Ange Postecoglou he must find new employers before March if he is to skipper the Socceroos at next summer’s World Cup in Brazil.

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9:50am Tue 31 Dec 13

Only1Garner says...

Having seen Judge early season and then again against Birmingham, I really do not know why they are considering loaning him out, he has that rare commodity pace, something Rovers lack, he also made a difference on Sunday, he would be a regular if I had my way.
Having seen Judge early season and then again against Birmingham, I really do not know why they are considering loaning him out, he has that rare commodity pace, something Rovers lack, he also made a difference on Sunday, he would be a regular if I had my way. Only1Garner

10:02am Tue 31 Dec 13

owd nick says...

Good, I have been impressed with what I have seen so far, he looks to be the perfect foil for Rhodes as longs as GB gets this stupid one up front tactic out of his head.

As for Judge I like him, always gives everything and no lack of pace, skill and imagination but I suspect that with Corry Evans on the way back, Marshall and Taylor in decent form, King, Rochina, etc; he is going to struggle.

Nothing wrong with going out on loan in that case, keeps him match fit.
Good, I have been impressed with what I have seen so far, he looks to be the perfect foil for Rhodes as longs as GB gets this stupid one up front tactic out of his head. As for Judge I like him, always gives everything and no lack of pace, skill and imagination but I suspect that with Corry Evans on the way back, Marshall and Taylor in decent form, King, Rochina, etc; he is going to struggle. Nothing wrong with going out on loan in that case, keeps him match fit. owd nick

10:07am Tue 31 Dec 13

RobH2O says...

He's no Danny Ings, he's no Danny Ings, he's no Danny, he's no Danny, he's no Danny Ings. To the tune of "Knees up Mother Brown' of course.

Happy 2014 Rovers.
He's no Danny Ings, he's no Danny Ings, he's no Danny, he's no Danny, he's no Danny Ings. To the tune of "Knees up Mother Brown' of course. Happy 2014 Rovers. RobH2O

10:10am Tue 31 Dec 13

RobH2O says...

owd nick wrote:
Good, I have been impressed with what I have seen so far, he looks to be the perfect foil for Rhodes as longs as GB gets this stupid one up front tactic out of his head.

As for Judge I like him, always gives everything and no lack of pace, skill and imagination but I suspect that with Corry Evans on the way back, Marshall and Taylor in decent form, King, Rochina, etc; he is going to struggle.

Nothing wrong with going out on loan in that case, keeps him match fit.
Foil for Rhodes? Nah, replacement. Rhodes if off to Hull.
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: Good, I have been impressed with what I have seen so far, he looks to be the perfect foil for Rhodes as longs as GB gets this stupid one up front tactic out of his head. As for Judge I like him, always gives everything and no lack of pace, skill and imagination but I suspect that with Corry Evans on the way back, Marshall and Taylor in decent form, King, Rochina, etc; he is going to struggle. Nothing wrong with going out on loan in that case, keeps him match fit.[/p][/quote]Foil for Rhodes? Nah, replacement. Rhodes if off to Hull. RobH2O

10:12am Tue 31 Dec 13

Harwoodstblue says...

About time too. Rhodes must be fed up of banging his head against a wall, marked by two defenders every week. Credit to him for the goals he's scored and no moaning.
Hope this lad can put himself about a bit and take weight off Rhodes and at the same time create space for him. More goals and therefore more points could hopefully be on the way.
About time too. Rhodes must be fed up of banging his head against a wall, marked by two defenders every week. Credit to him for the goals he's scored and no moaning. Hope this lad can put himself about a bit and take weight off Rhodes and at the same time create space for him. More goals and therefore more points could hopefully be on the way. Harwoodstblue

10:13am Tue 31 Dec 13

Harwoodstblue says...

RobH2O wrote:
owd nick wrote:
Good, I have been impressed with what I have seen so far, he looks to be the perfect foil for Rhodes as longs as GB gets this stupid one up front tactic out of his head.

As for Judge I like him, always gives everything and no lack of pace, skill and imagination but I suspect that with Corry Evans on the way back, Marshall and Taylor in decent form, King, Rochina, etc; he is going to struggle.

Nothing wrong with going out on loan in that case, keeps him match fit.
Foil for Rhodes? Nah, replacement. Rhodes if off to Hull.
Shut up Mystic Meg.
[quote][p][bold]RobH2O[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: Good, I have been impressed with what I have seen so far, he looks to be the perfect foil for Rhodes as longs as GB gets this stupid one up front tactic out of his head. As for Judge I like him, always gives everything and no lack of pace, skill and imagination but I suspect that with Corry Evans on the way back, Marshall and Taylor in decent form, King, Rochina, etc; he is going to struggle. Nothing wrong with going out on loan in that case, keeps him match fit.[/p][/quote]Foil for Rhodes? Nah, replacement. Rhodes if off to Hull.[/p][/quote]Shut up Mystic Meg. Harwoodstblue

10:15am Tue 31 Dec 13

j bee says...

wonder if he is as good as davies ,, grabbi , kalnic, ferguson, 7 million each them lot must waste more money than any club in englanld 57 mill in debt no wonder mr williams got out plus all the payouts to x managers very badly run club since jack died
wonder if he is as good as davies ,, grabbi , kalnic, ferguson, 7 million each them lot must waste more money than any club in englanld 57 mill in debt no wonder mr williams got out plus all the payouts to x managers very badly run club since jack died j bee

10:18am Tue 31 Dec 13

Mill Hill Mob says...

RobH2O wrote:
He's no Danny Ings, he's no Danny Ings, he's no Danny, he's no Danny, he's no Danny Ings. To the tune of "Knees up Mother Brown' of course. Happy 2014 Rovers.
Burnley:

Having their best season in half a decade; still won't go up.

Happy 2014 to you also! The only way is down.
[quote][p][bold]RobH2O[/bold] wrote: He's no Danny Ings, he's no Danny Ings, he's no Danny, he's no Danny, he's no Danny Ings. To the tune of "Knees up Mother Brown' of course. Happy 2014 Rovers.[/p][/quote]Burnley: Having their best season in half a decade; still won't go up. Happy 2014 to you also! The only way is down. Mill Hill Mob

10:34am Tue 31 Dec 13

Wild Rover says...

Rob, well spotted. He is no Danny Ings, that is Jordans role, he will be our Bertie Vokes. The muscle , the lay off man, the battering ram
Simples
Actually I would play Rhodes behind him in a 4 -4 -1 -1
That would give JR more space and make him hard to mark. Get King and Taylor or Marshall feeding crosses in to Rudy and I think Rhodes and Rudy could make a great pairing...
But what do I know? Rhetorical question, dont respond
Rob, well spotted. He is no Danny Ings, that is Jordans role, he will be our Bertie Vokes. The muscle , the lay off man, the battering ram Simples Actually I would play Rhodes behind him in a 4 -4 -1 -1 That would give JR more space and make him hard to mark. Get King and Taylor or Marshall feeding crosses in to Rudy and I think Rhodes and Rudy could make a great pairing... But what do I know? Rhetorical question, dont respond Wild Rover

10:36am Tue 31 Dec 13

owd nick says...

Mill Hill Mob wrote:
RobH2O wrote:
He's no Danny Ings, he's no Danny Ings, he's no Danny, he's no Danny, he's no Danny Ings. To the tune of "Knees up Mother Brown' of course. Happy 2014 Rovers.
Burnley:

Having their best season in half a decade; still won't go up.

Happy 2014 to you also! The only way is down.
Sung to "The only way is up" of course!
[quote][p][bold]Mill Hill Mob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RobH2O[/bold] wrote: He's no Danny Ings, he's no Danny Ings, he's no Danny, he's no Danny, he's no Danny Ings. To the tune of "Knees up Mother Brown' of course. Happy 2014 Rovers.[/p][/quote]Burnley: Having their best season in half a decade; still won't go up. Happy 2014 to you also! The only way is down.[/p][/quote]Sung to "The only way is up" of course! owd nick

10:38am Tue 31 Dec 13

owd nick says...

j bee wrote:
wonder if he is as good as davies ,, grabbi , kalnic, ferguson, 7 million each them lot must waste more money than any club in englanld 57 mill in debt no wonder mr williams got out plus all the payouts to x managers very badly run club since jack died
From what I have seen so far he is better than any of those you mention.
[quote][p][bold]j bee[/bold] wrote: wonder if he is as good as davies ,, grabbi , kalnic, ferguson, 7 million each them lot must waste more money than any club in englanld 57 mill in debt no wonder mr williams got out plus all the payouts to x managers very badly run club since jack died[/p][/quote]From what I have seen so far he is better than any of those you mention. owd nick

10:47am Tue 31 Dec 13

Tatts says...

Looks a good player to me.
Looks a good player to me. Tatts

11:02am Tue 31 Dec 13

A Rover 45 years and over says...

No point loaning Judge out if Cairney doesn't stay and no point in selling him if transfer emargo comes into place as we will need all the exsisting players we have apart from the obvious deadwood etc. Gestede provides the strength and power that we have needed all season, can't see him scoring many goals though but will create space for others. Best should have filled this role. We are also being linked with the striker from I think Bradford at £3 million plus, that must be in case Rhodes is off. I think Rhodes will score even more with the problems Gestede causes defences as it showed on Saturday. provided Gary doesn't play him in the hole behind Rhodes like he did in the previous game.
No point loaning Judge out if Cairney doesn't stay and no point in selling him if transfer emargo comes into place as we will need all the exsisting players we have apart from the obvious deadwood etc. Gestede provides the strength and power that we have needed all season, can't see him scoring many goals though but will create space for others. Best should have filled this role. We are also being linked with the striker from I think Bradford at £3 million plus, that must be in case Rhodes is off. I think Rhodes will score even more with the problems Gestede causes defences as it showed on Saturday. provided Gary doesn't play him in the hole behind Rhodes like he did in the previous game. A Rover 45 years and over

11:09am Tue 31 Dec 13

Wild Rover says...

j bee wrote:
wonder if he is as good as davies ,, grabbi , kalnic, ferguson, 7 million each them lot must waste more money than any club in englanld 57 mill in debt no wonder mr williams got out plus all the payouts to x managers very badly run club since jack died
Well now, Davies was bought when Jack was alive and he was the only one that cost 7 million
Grabbi was bought by Souey and Williams and cost 6
Kalinic by Sam and Williams for 4
Ferguson? Hughes and.Williams
So your point was??
Still you are Dingle, cant expect you to get anything right
[quote][p][bold]j bee[/bold] wrote: wonder if he is as good as davies ,, grabbi , kalnic, ferguson, 7 million each them lot must waste more money than any club in englanld 57 mill in debt no wonder mr williams got out plus all the payouts to x managers very badly run club since jack died[/p][/quote]Well now, Davies was bought when Jack was alive and he was the only one that cost 7 million Grabbi was bought by Souey and Williams and cost 6 Kalinic by Sam and Williams for 4 Ferguson? Hughes and.Williams So your point was?? Still you are Dingle, cant expect you to get anything right Wild Rover

11:29am Tue 31 Dec 13

benal13 says...

Wild Rover wrote:
Rob, well spotted. He is no Danny Ings, that is Jordans role, he will be our Bertie Vokes. The muscle , the lay off man, the battering ram
Simples
Actually I would play Rhodes behind him in a 4 -4 -1 -1
That would give JR more space and make him hard to mark. Get King and Taylor or Marshall feeding crosses in to Rudy and I think Rhodes and Rudy could make a great pairing...
But what do I know? Rhetorical question, dont respond
NOTHING zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
zzzzzz
[quote][p][bold]Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: Rob, well spotted. He is no Danny Ings, that is Jordans role, he will be our Bertie Vokes. The muscle , the lay off man, the battering ram Simples Actually I would play Rhodes behind him in a 4 -4 -1 -1 That would give JR more space and make him hard to mark. Get King and Taylor or Marshall feeding crosses in to Rudy and I think Rhodes and Rudy could make a great pairing... But what do I know? Rhetorical question, dont respond[/p][/quote]NOTHING zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzz benal13

11:46am Tue 31 Dec 13

grimupnorth says...

Jordan Rhodes is off the join his uncle at Hull Wells is lined up as a replacement. Watch this space
Jordan Rhodes is off the join his uncle at Hull Wells is lined up as a replacement. Watch this space grimupnorth

11:55am Tue 31 Dec 13

Harwoodstblue says...

grimupnorth wrote:
Jordan Rhodes is off the join his uncle at Hull Wells is lined up as a replacement. Watch this space
Watch the ground empty.
[quote][p][bold]grimupnorth[/bold] wrote: Jordan Rhodes is off the join his uncle at Hull Wells is lined up as a replacement. Watch this space[/p][/quote]Watch the ground empty. Harwoodstblue

12:10pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Bazzer says...

Brutus training at Brockhall! I saw him playing in Dubai a couple of years ago and he was a big star.
Brutus training at Brockhall! I saw him playing in Dubai a couple of years ago and he was a big star. Bazzer

12:16pm Tue 31 Dec 13

A Darener says...

Dingle fans think Rovers are in financial trouble....just look at Bolton's figures just announced, now that's financial trouble.
Dingle fans think Rovers are in financial trouble....just look at Bolton's figures just announced, now that's financial trouble. A Darener

12:35pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Riverside 7 says...

I am afraid that Gestede has not impressed me enough to justify us paying a fee for him.
Yes we need a big target man up front to support Rhodes but as others have said, GB must play him in the right position leading the line and not 'in the hole'.
I am afraid that Gestede has not impressed me enough to justify us paying a fee for him. Yes we need a big target man up front to support Rhodes but as others have said, GB must play him in the right position leading the line and not 'in the hole'. Riverside 7

12:39pm Tue 31 Dec 13

FakeVilla_MTCabinet says...

RobH2O wrote:
He's no Danny Ings, he's no Danny Ings, he's no Danny, he's no Danny, he's no Danny Ings. To the tune of "Knees up Mother Brown' of course.

Happy 2014 Rovers.
Are they human?
Or just from Burnley?
Their signs are vital
They have six toes
And I'm on my knees searching for the answer
To are they human?
Or just from Burnley?

Bobbing in the water
your banter songs are rubbish
Happy new year
[quote][p][bold]RobH2O[/bold] wrote: He's no Danny Ings, he's no Danny Ings, he's no Danny, he's no Danny, he's no Danny Ings. To the tune of "Knees up Mother Brown' of course. Happy 2014 Rovers.[/p][/quote]Are they human? Or just from Burnley? Their signs are vital They have six toes And I'm on my knees searching for the answer To are they human? Or just from Burnley? Bobbing in the water your banter songs are rubbish Happy new year FakeVilla_MTCabinet

1:06pm Tue 31 Dec 13

hasslem hasslem says...

as darrener says - bolton's cataclysmic financial meltdown makes rovers look like a minor inconvenience.

we know that we have been totally mismanaged over the last three years - but bolton's woeful incompetence has passed largely under the radar. £50m lost this last FY and a total net debt of £160m. course, for now davies continues to back them....but they are ultimately screwed. my own view is that wigan are not far behind.

safe to say that if we get done on FFP - then plenty will be joining us.
as darrener says - bolton's cataclysmic financial meltdown makes rovers look like a minor inconvenience. we know that we have been totally mismanaged over the last three years - but bolton's woeful incompetence has passed largely under the radar. £50m lost this last FY and a total net debt of £160m. course, for now davies continues to back them....but they are ultimately screwed. my own view is that wigan are not far behind. safe to say that if we get done on FFP - then plenty will be joining us. hasslem hasslem

1:22pm Tue 31 Dec 13

A Darener says...

It would appear that apart from the so called PL elite. MU, Chelsea etc. All other football clubs will be in dire straits under FFP. The league managers will be powerless to stop all these clubs going bust. It will be like a domino effect, one goes they all go. Is that what they want? A league of five or six mega clubs with amateur feeder clubs training their future stars. Just so tv can have its "fix"!. FFP will be the death of English football as we know it. We must all pray that it is put through the courts and thrown out ASAP. Otherwise it is back to supporting pub teams.
It would appear that apart from the so called PL elite. MU, Chelsea etc. All other football clubs will be in dire straits under FFP. The league managers will be powerless to stop all these clubs going bust. It will be like a domino effect, one goes they all go. Is that what they want? A league of five or six mega clubs with amateur feeder clubs training their future stars. Just so tv can have its "fix"!. FFP will be the death of English football as we know it. We must all pray that it is put through the courts and thrown out ASAP. Otherwise it is back to supporting pub teams. A Darener

1:29pm Tue 31 Dec 13

benal13 says...

why didnt our great leade GB not tell us earlier that we are not going to make our push for promotion until february ,we could have saved money and bought the cheaper season tickets , by the way has anyone ever won promotion when they were in the bottom three at that time JUST ASKING!!!!!!!!!!!!
why didnt our great leade GB not tell us earlier that we are not going to make our push for promotion until february ,we could have saved money and bought the cheaper season tickets , by the way has anyone ever won promotion when they were in the bottom three at that time JUST ASKING!!!!!!!!!!!! benal13

1:29pm Tue 31 Dec 13

hasslem hasslem says...

A Darener wrote:
It would appear that apart from the so called PL elite. MU, Chelsea etc. All other football clubs will be in dire straits under FFP. The league managers will be powerless to stop all these clubs going bust. It will be like a domino effect, one goes they all go. Is that what they want? A league of five or six mega clubs with amateur feeder clubs training their future stars. Just so tv can have its "fix"!. FFP will be the death of English football as we know it. We must all pray that it is put through the courts and thrown out ASAP. Otherwise it is back to supporting pub teams.
problem is the clubs go will bust because of their inability to manage themselves. personally, i have no sympathy - but the wounds are self-inflicted
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: It would appear that apart from the so called PL elite. MU, Chelsea etc. All other football clubs will be in dire straits under FFP. The league managers will be powerless to stop all these clubs going bust. It will be like a domino effect, one goes they all go. Is that what they want? A league of five or six mega clubs with amateur feeder clubs training their future stars. Just so tv can have its "fix"!. FFP will be the death of English football as we know it. We must all pray that it is put through the courts and thrown out ASAP. Otherwise it is back to supporting pub teams.[/p][/quote]problem is the clubs go will bust because of their inability to manage themselves. personally, i have no sympathy - but the wounds are self-inflicted hasslem hasslem

1:29pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Dukes says...

Judge been a poor signing in my eyes.

We need some better signing.
Judge been a poor signing in my eyes. We need some better signing. Dukes

1:31pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Dukes says...

Lucas Neill also will not be signing he used rovers the way he left the first time out so why we letting him train with the club. I hope he does not sign for us but i feel he may do if we can get one player out.
Lucas Neill also will not be signing he used rovers the way he left the first time out so why we letting him train with the club. I hope he does not sign for us but i feel he may do if we can get one player out. Dukes

1:33pm Tue 31 Dec 13

benal13 says...

Bazzer wrote:
Brutus training at Brockhall! I saw him playing in Dubai a couple of years ago and he was a big star.
dos he sit when you tell him??????????????
[quote][p][bold]Bazzer[/bold] wrote: Brutus training at Brockhall! I saw him playing in Dubai a couple of years ago and he was a big star.[/p][/quote]dos he sit when you tell him?????????????? benal13

1:52pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Ronaldpetercooper says...

Hope he fits in better than he has done so far. Personally I have not been overly impressed with him although in fairness this could be more to do with GB's tactics. He most certainly is NOT a hard working attacking midfield player as he has proved so far. To me he looks more like an out and out center forward. Hope I am wrong but if he does sign I fear more exits of one or two better players.
Hope he fits in better than he has done so far. Personally I have not been overly impressed with him although in fairness this could be more to do with GB's tactics. He most certainly is NOT a hard working attacking midfield player as he has proved so far. To me he looks more like an out and out center forward. Hope I am wrong but if he does sign I fear more exits of one or two better players. Ronaldpetercooper

2:03pm Tue 31 Dec 13

bburnrover says...

Whu dont we go for Ings I am sure they would sell him if the price was right whats another 7 million on our debt anyway?
Whu dont we go for Ings I am sure they would sell him if the price was right whats another 7 million on our debt anyway? bburnrover

2:31pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Only1Garner says...

3 years ago it was Ronaldinho, now it is Gestede, how the Indians have lowered their sights, admittedly the Ronaldinho thing was a joke, but I am sure they never expected this. On a brighter note Horwich Wanderers have announced a £50m loss for last season with total debts now of £169m.
3 years ago it was Ronaldinho, now it is Gestede, how the Indians have lowered their sights, admittedly the Ronaldinho thing was a joke, but I am sure they never expected this. On a brighter note Horwich Wanderers have announced a £50m loss for last season with total debts now of £169m. Only1Garner

2:59pm Tue 31 Dec 13

keanoutofrovers says...

Poor signing if it happens, but he is free so therefore fits the bill. We are currently desperately short of goals and totally reliant on one player. Gestede has never been prolific and will probably contribute 4-5 a season. We must have a second goalscoring striker or a midfilder who will contribute as Jordan won't be here for ever.

I have seen that Dann is wanted by several clubs and they are actually willing to PAY for him. So it's not all bad news.
Poor signing if it happens, but he is free so therefore fits the bill. We are currently desperately short of goals and totally reliant on one player. Gestede has never been prolific and will probably contribute 4-5 a season. We must have a second goalscoring striker or a midfilder who will contribute as Jordan won't be here for ever. I have seen that Dann is wanted by several clubs and they are actually willing to PAY for him. So it's not all bad news. keanoutofrovers

3:02pm Tue 31 Dec 13

owd nick says...

A Rover 45 years and over wrote:
No point loaning Judge out if Cairney doesn't stay and no point in selling him if transfer emargo comes into place as we will need all the exsisting players we have apart from the obvious deadwood etc. Gestede provides the strength and power that we have needed all season, can't see him scoring many goals though but will create space for others. Best should have filled this role. We are also being linked with the striker from I think Bradford at £3 million plus, that must be in case Rhodes is off. I think Rhodes will score even more with the problems Gestede causes defences as it showed on Saturday. provided Gary doesn't play him in the hole behind Rhodes like he did in the previous game.
Lets worry about transfer embargo's if and when they happen.

We won't be the only ones suffering across Europe let alone in this country.

Venky's still have to clear out the deadwood one way or another, there aren't that many left as far as I can see but they take up an inordinate amount of money for doing sod all.

Or as someone suggested the other day they might be willing to just to let the contracts run out before trying to get the club back on an even keel, or even selling up, at the end of the day it's their money pouring down the drain.

Agree with the rest of your comments though.
[quote][p][bold]A Rover 45 years and over[/bold] wrote: No point loaning Judge out if Cairney doesn't stay and no point in selling him if transfer emargo comes into place as we will need all the exsisting players we have apart from the obvious deadwood etc. Gestede provides the strength and power that we have needed all season, can't see him scoring many goals though but will create space for others. Best should have filled this role. We are also being linked with the striker from I think Bradford at £3 million plus, that must be in case Rhodes is off. I think Rhodes will score even more with the problems Gestede causes defences as it showed on Saturday. provided Gary doesn't play him in the hole behind Rhodes like he did in the previous game.[/p][/quote]Lets worry about transfer embargo's if and when they happen. We won't be the only ones suffering across Europe let alone in this country. Venky's still have to clear out the deadwood one way or another, there aren't that many left as far as I can see but they take up an inordinate amount of money for doing sod all. Or as someone suggested the other day they might be willing to just to let the contracts run out before trying to get the club back on an even keel, or even selling up, at the end of the day it's their money pouring down the drain. Agree with the rest of your comments though. owd nick

3:06pm Tue 31 Dec 13

owd nick says...

A Darener wrote:
It would appear that apart from the so called PL elite. MU, Chelsea etc. All other football clubs will be in dire straits under FFP. The league managers will be powerless to stop all these clubs going bust. It will be like a domino effect, one goes they all go. Is that what they want? A league of five or six mega clubs with amateur feeder clubs training their future stars. Just so tv can have its "fix"!. FFP will be the death of English football as we know it. We must all pray that it is put through the courts and thrown out ASAP. Otherwise it is back to supporting pub teams.
Yes is the simple answer, fair play only has one real target, the destruction of national league structures and the creation of a European Super League based on franchises.

Only the top clubs will be invited of course.
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: It would appear that apart from the so called PL elite. MU, Chelsea etc. All other football clubs will be in dire straits under FFP. The league managers will be powerless to stop all these clubs going bust. It will be like a domino effect, one goes they all go. Is that what they want? A league of five or six mega clubs with amateur feeder clubs training their future stars. Just so tv can have its "fix"!. FFP will be the death of English football as we know it. We must all pray that it is put through the courts and thrown out ASAP. Otherwise it is back to supporting pub teams.[/p][/quote]Yes is the simple answer, fair play only has one real target, the destruction of national league structures and the creation of a European Super League based on franchises. Only the top clubs will be invited of course. owd nick

3:25pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Wild Rover says...

owd nick wrote:
A Darener wrote:
It would appear that apart from the so called PL elite. MU, Chelsea etc. All other football clubs will be in dire straits under FFP. The league managers will be powerless to stop all these clubs going bust. It will be like a domino effect, one goes they all go. Is that what they want? A league of five or six mega clubs with amateur feeder clubs training their future stars. Just so tv can have its "fix"!. FFP will be the death of English football as we know it. We must all pray that it is put through the courts and thrown out ASAP. Otherwise it is back to supporting pub teams.
Yes is the simple answer, fair play only has one real target, the destruction of national league structures and the creation of a European Super League based on franchises.

Only the top clubs will be invited of course.
Well, I referred to it as the Status rules, ergo the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor. Certainly the Super League is the target but I think they want feeder leagues to remain - not the current system though so a lot of clubs will go if it is enforced.
Rovers will be nowhere near the top of the list though, Many are worse off than us.
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: It would appear that apart from the so called PL elite. MU, Chelsea etc. All other football clubs will be in dire straits under FFP. The league managers will be powerless to stop all these clubs going bust. It will be like a domino effect, one goes they all go. Is that what they want? A league of five or six mega clubs with amateur feeder clubs training their future stars. Just so tv can have its "fix"!. FFP will be the death of English football as we know it. We must all pray that it is put through the courts and thrown out ASAP. Otherwise it is back to supporting pub teams.[/p][/quote]Yes is the simple answer, fair play only has one real target, the destruction of national league structures and the creation of a European Super League based on franchises. Only the top clubs will be invited of course.[/p][/quote]Well, I referred to it as the Status rules, ergo the rich stay rich and the poor stay poor. Certainly the Super League is the target but I think they want feeder leagues to remain - not the current system though so a lot of clubs will go if it is enforced. Rovers will be nowhere near the top of the list though, Many are worse off than us. Wild Rover

3:28pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Wild Rover says...

Status Quo rules.....
Status Quo rules..... Wild Rover

3:28pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Manuel Hung says...

A Darener wrote:
Dingle fans think Rovers are in financial trouble....just look at Bolton's figures just announced, now that's financial trouble.
At least they acknowledge the dire position they are in. Unlike No Dad FC who seem to think they can keep on spending regardless.

Bolton's financial position now is where you will be in 18 months.
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Dingle fans think Rovers are in financial trouble....just look at Bolton's figures just announced, now that's financial trouble.[/p][/quote]At least they acknowledge the dire position they are in. Unlike No Dad FC who seem to think they can keep on spending regardless. Bolton's financial position now is where you will be in 18 months. Manuel Hung

3:30pm Tue 31 Dec 13

ghost of sceptic says...

2 more games for Bowyer to save his backside.
2 more games for Bowyer to save his backside. ghost of sceptic

3:36pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Wild Rover says...

benal13 wrote:
why didnt our great leade GB not tell us earlier that we are not going to make our push for promotion until february ,we could have saved money and bought the cheaper season tickets , by the way has anyone ever won promotion when they were in the bottom three at that time JUST ASKING!!!!!!!!!!!!
So you expect us to be in the bottom 3 by February?
Are you a Rovers fan or just an absolute d1 ck
Thats another rhetorical question for you..we know
[quote][p][bold]benal13[/bold] wrote: why didnt our great leade GB not tell us earlier that we are not going to make our push for promotion until february ,we could have saved money and bought the cheaper season tickets , by the way has anyone ever won promotion when they were in the bottom three at that time JUST ASKING!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]So you expect us to be in the bottom 3 by February? Are you a Rovers fan or just an absolute d1 ck Thats another rhetorical question for you..we know Wild Rover

3:56pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Harwoodstblue says...

Manuel Hung wrote:
A Darener wrote:
Dingle fans think Rovers are in financial trouble....just look at Bolton's figures just announced, now that's financial trouble.
At least they acknowledge the dire position they are in. Unlike No Dad FC who seem to think they can keep on spending regardless.

Bolton's financial position now is where you will be in 18 months.
Manuel Hung.......You wish.
And that's where you'll be in another couple of years. Lost £8 mill last year, same the next two years and it's curtains.
That's unsustainable for a minnow of a club. Your ground isn't worth that.
[quote][p][bold]Manuel Hung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Dingle fans think Rovers are in financial trouble....just look at Bolton's figures just announced, now that's financial trouble.[/p][/quote]At least they acknowledge the dire position they are in. Unlike No Dad FC who seem to think they can keep on spending regardless. Bolton's financial position now is where you will be in 18 months.[/p][/quote]Manuel Hung.......You wish. And that's where you'll be in another couple of years. Lost £8 mill last year, same the next two years and it's curtains. That's unsustainable for a minnow of a club. Your ground isn't worth that. Harwoodstblue

4:00pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Riverside 7 says...

owd nick wrote:
A Rover 45 years and over wrote:
No point loaning Judge out if Cairney doesn't stay and no point in selling him if transfer emargo comes into place as we will need all the exsisting players we have apart from the obvious deadwood etc. Gestede provides the strength and power that we have needed all season, can't see him scoring many goals though but will create space for others. Best should have filled this role. We are also being linked with the striker from I think Bradford at £3 million plus, that must be in case Rhodes is off. I think Rhodes will score even more with the problems Gestede causes defences as it showed on Saturday. provided Gary doesn't play him in the hole behind Rhodes like he did in the previous game.
Lets worry about transfer embargo's if and when they happen.

We won't be the only ones suffering across Europe let alone in this country.

Venky's still have to clear out the deadwood one way or another, there aren't that many left as far as I can see but they take up an inordinate amount of money for doing sod all.

Or as someone suggested the other day they might be willing to just to let the contracts run out before trying to get the club back on an even keel, or even selling up, at the end of the day it's their money pouring down the drain.

Agree with the rest of your comments though.
Well lets see Nick,

In my opinion we still have:-
1) Robinson,
2) Best,
3) Campbell,
4) Ollson,
5) Songo'o,
6) Etuhu,
7) Marrow,
8) Nunes
9) Slew
and maybe even
10) Bruno Ribiero and the Portugese contingent (some of which are just on loan).
That's still quite alot of deadwood at the club
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Rover 45 years and over[/bold] wrote: No point loaning Judge out if Cairney doesn't stay and no point in selling him if transfer emargo comes into place as we will need all the exsisting players we have apart from the obvious deadwood etc. Gestede provides the strength and power that we have needed all season, can't see him scoring many goals though but will create space for others. Best should have filled this role. We are also being linked with the striker from I think Bradford at £3 million plus, that must be in case Rhodes is off. I think Rhodes will score even more with the problems Gestede causes defences as it showed on Saturday. provided Gary doesn't play him in the hole behind Rhodes like he did in the previous game.[/p][/quote]Lets worry about transfer embargo's if and when they happen. We won't be the only ones suffering across Europe let alone in this country. Venky's still have to clear out the deadwood one way or another, there aren't that many left as far as I can see but they take up an inordinate amount of money for doing sod all. Or as someone suggested the other day they might be willing to just to let the contracts run out before trying to get the club back on an even keel, or even selling up, at the end of the day it's their money pouring down the drain. Agree with the rest of your comments though.[/p][/quote]Well lets see Nick, In my opinion we still have:- 1) Robinson, 2) Best, 3) Campbell, 4) Ollson, 5) Songo'o, 6) Etuhu, 7) Marrow, 8) Nunes 9) Slew and maybe even 10) Bruno Ribiero and the Portugese contingent (some of which are just on loan). That's still quite alot of deadwood at the club Riverside 7

4:07pm Tue 31 Dec 13

peely says...

Our astute manager says about Judge " he wants to play football and you,ve got to admire him for that " !! Sometimes I just cannot believe the tripe that comes out of his mouth , to be admired for wanting to play football ?! That's his f&&&ing job you plonker ! I know he,s one of your mates and all that but please engage brain before coming out with such juvenile / ludicrous comments !
Our astute manager says about Judge " he wants to play football and you,ve got to admire him for that " !! Sometimes I just cannot believe the tripe that comes out of his mouth , to be admired for wanting to play football ?! That's his f&&&ing job you plonker ! I know he,s one of your mates and all that but please engage brain before coming out with such juvenile / ludicrous comments ! peely

4:13pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Riverside 7 says...

A Darener wrote:
It would appear that apart from the so called PL elite. MU, Chelsea etc. All other football clubs will be in dire straits under FFP. The league managers will be powerless to stop all these clubs going bust. It will be like a domino effect, one goes they all go. Is that what they want? A league of five or six mega clubs with amateur feeder clubs training their future stars. Just so tv can have its "fix"!. FFP will be the death of English football as we know it. We must all pray that it is put through the courts and thrown out ASAP. Otherwise it is back to supporting pub teams.
I agee Darener.

I am convinced that the FFP Rules will be challenged in the courts as a restrain of trade.

There is no other 'industry' in the world that stops an owner of a business from investing his / her own money in to their own business venture.

Venkys could do the whole of the football world some good if they take it to court.

All the so-called big clubs will find a way around the rules anyway.
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: It would appear that apart from the so called PL elite. MU, Chelsea etc. All other football clubs will be in dire straits under FFP. The league managers will be powerless to stop all these clubs going bust. It will be like a domino effect, one goes they all go. Is that what they want? A league of five or six mega clubs with amateur feeder clubs training their future stars. Just so tv can have its "fix"!. FFP will be the death of English football as we know it. We must all pray that it is put through the courts and thrown out ASAP. Otherwise it is back to supporting pub teams.[/p][/quote]I agee Darener. I am convinced that the FFP Rules will be challenged in the courts as a restrain of trade. There is no other 'industry' in the world that stops an owner of a business from investing his / her own money in to their own business venture. Venkys could do the whole of the football world some good if they take it to court. All the so-called big clubs will find a way around the rules anyway. Riverside 7

4:31pm Tue 31 Dec 13

dangerous dave says...

peely wrote:
Our astute manager says about Judge " he wants to play football and you,ve got to admire him for that " !! Sometimes I just cannot believe the tripe that comes out of his mouth , to be admired for wanting to play football ?! That's his f&&&ing job you plonker ! I know he,s one of your mates and all that but please engage brain before coming out with such juvenile / ludicrous comments !
yes well this is the problem built a team of mates around himself and as for the garbage that he spouts sounding more like Kean by the day!!!!
OUT WITH THE COWBOYS AND INDIANS
[quote][p][bold]peely[/bold] wrote: Our astute manager says about Judge " he wants to play football and you,ve got to admire him for that " !! Sometimes I just cannot believe the tripe that comes out of his mouth , to be admired for wanting to play football ?! That's his f&&&ing job you plonker ! I know he,s one of your mates and all that but please engage brain before coming out with such juvenile / ludicrous comments ![/p][/quote]yes well this is the problem built a team of mates around himself and as for the garbage that he spouts sounding more like Kean by the day!!!! OUT WITH THE COWBOYS AND INDIANS dangerous dave

4:47pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Biscay says...

Watched him against Wednesday - too slow and has the turning circle of a super tanker - do not purchase!
Watched him against Wednesday - too slow and has the turning circle of a super tanker - do not purchase! Biscay

5:04pm Tue 31 Dec 13

owd nick says...

Riverside 7 wrote:
A Darener wrote:
It would appear that apart from the so called PL elite. MU, Chelsea etc. All other football clubs will be in dire straits under FFP. The league managers will be powerless to stop all these clubs going bust. It will be like a domino effect, one goes they all go. Is that what they want? A league of five or six mega clubs with amateur feeder clubs training their future stars. Just so tv can have its "fix"!. FFP will be the death of English football as we know it. We must all pray that it is put through the courts and thrown out ASAP. Otherwise it is back to supporting pub teams.
I agee Darener.

I am convinced that the FFP Rules will be challenged in the courts as a restrain of trade.

There is no other 'industry' in the world that stops an owner of a business from investing his / her own money in to their own business venture.

Venkys could do the whole of the football world some good if they take it to court.

All the so-called big clubs will find a way around the rules anyway.
There was supposed to be a challenge going through the European courts next month if I remember correctly.
[quote][p][bold]Riverside 7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: It would appear that apart from the so called PL elite. MU, Chelsea etc. All other football clubs will be in dire straits under FFP. The league managers will be powerless to stop all these clubs going bust. It will be like a domino effect, one goes they all go. Is that what they want? A league of five or six mega clubs with amateur feeder clubs training their future stars. Just so tv can have its "fix"!. FFP will be the death of English football as we know it. We must all pray that it is put through the courts and thrown out ASAP. Otherwise it is back to supporting pub teams.[/p][/quote]I agee Darener. I am convinced that the FFP Rules will be challenged in the courts as a restrain of trade. There is no other 'industry' in the world that stops an owner of a business from investing his / her own money in to their own business venture. Venkys could do the whole of the football world some good if they take it to court. All the so-called big clubs will find a way around the rules anyway.[/p][/quote]There was supposed to be a challenge going through the European courts next month if I remember correctly. owd nick

5:14pm Tue 31 Dec 13

dallydally says...

Gestede's work rate generally isn't enough for me. He doesn't work hard enough off the ball. As for Judge - if he goes no loss at all
Gestede's work rate generally isn't enough for me. He doesn't work hard enough off the ball. As for Judge - if he goes no loss at all dallydally

5:24pm Tue 31 Dec 13

A Rover 45 years and over says...

owd nick wrote:
A Rover 45 years and over wrote: No point loaning Judge out if Cairney doesn't stay and no point in selling him if transfer emargo comes into place as we will need all the exsisting players we have apart from the obvious deadwood etc. Gestede provides the strength and power that we have needed all season, can't see him scoring many goals though but will create space for others. Best should have filled this role. We are also being linked with the striker from I think Bradford at £3 million plus, that must be in case Rhodes is off. I think Rhodes will score even more with the problems Gestede causes defences as it showed on Saturday. provided Gary doesn't play him in the hole behind Rhodes like he did in the previous game.
Lets worry about transfer embargo's if and when they happen. We won't be the only ones suffering across Europe let alone in this country. Venky's still have to clear out the deadwood one way or another, there aren't that many left as far as I can see but they take up an inordinate amount of money for doing sod all. Or as someone suggested the other day they might be willing to just to let the contracts run out before trying to get the club back on an even keel, or even selling up, at the end of the day it's their money pouring down the drain. Agree with the rest of your comments though.
According to FFP rules and as acknowledged by Derek Shaw during the evening with Gary Bower, don't know if you attended but Shaw clearly stated that we will be subject to a transfer embargo if we do not get promotion. That is the FFP ruling and law as it stands at the moment and therefore it will happen as it stands. Therefore it sounds like you think Rovers should ignore it and bury there heads in the sand hoping it won't happen and not prepare accordingly for an embargo. I think you should tell that to Shaw and Bower and see what reaction you will get. from them To ignore a possible transfer embargo and not plan and prepare accordingly will be madness. In the unlikely event that they did get promoted they would have a different set of problems. but do you think they will get promoted as I can't see it just now therefore the embargo looms whether we like it or not.
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Rover 45 years and over[/bold] wrote: No point loaning Judge out if Cairney doesn't stay and no point in selling him if transfer emargo comes into place as we will need all the exsisting players we have apart from the obvious deadwood etc. Gestede provides the strength and power that we have needed all season, can't see him scoring many goals though but will create space for others. Best should have filled this role. We are also being linked with the striker from I think Bradford at £3 million plus, that must be in case Rhodes is off. I think Rhodes will score even more with the problems Gestede causes defences as it showed on Saturday. provided Gary doesn't play him in the hole behind Rhodes like he did in the previous game.[/p][/quote]Lets worry about transfer embargo's if and when they happen. We won't be the only ones suffering across Europe let alone in this country. Venky's still have to clear out the deadwood one way or another, there aren't that many left as far as I can see but they take up an inordinate amount of money for doing sod all. Or as someone suggested the other day they might be willing to just to let the contracts run out before trying to get the club back on an even keel, or even selling up, at the end of the day it's their money pouring down the drain. Agree with the rest of your comments though.[/p][/quote]According to FFP rules and as acknowledged by Derek Shaw during the evening with Gary Bower, don't know if you attended but Shaw clearly stated that we will be subject to a transfer embargo if we do not get promotion. That is the FFP ruling and law as it stands at the moment and therefore it will happen as it stands. Therefore it sounds like you think Rovers should ignore it and bury there heads in the sand hoping it won't happen and not prepare accordingly for an embargo. I think you should tell that to Shaw and Bower and see what reaction you will get. from them To ignore a possible transfer embargo and not plan and prepare accordingly will be madness. In the unlikely event that they did get promoted they would have a different set of problems. but do you think they will get promoted as I can't see it just now therefore the embargo looms whether we like it or not. A Rover 45 years and over

5:47pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Manuel Hung says...

owd nick wrote:
Riverside 7 wrote:
A Darener wrote:
It would appear that apart from the so called PL elite. MU, Chelsea etc. All other football clubs will be in dire straits under FFP. The league managers will be powerless to stop all these clubs going bust. It will be like a domino effect, one goes they all go. Is that what they want? A league of five or six mega clubs with amateur feeder clubs training their future stars. Just so tv can have its "fix"!. FFP will be the death of English football as we know it. We must all pray that it is put through the courts and thrown out ASAP. Otherwise it is back to supporting pub teams.
I agee Darener.

I am convinced that the FFP Rules will be challenged in the courts as a restrain of trade.

There is no other 'industry' in the world that stops an owner of a business from investing his / her own money in to their own business venture.

Venkys could do the whole of the football world some good if they take it to court.

All the so-called big clubs will find a way around the rules anyway.
There was supposed to be a challenge going through the European courts next month if I remember correctly.
There is no other industry/ business in the world allowed to operate with a £168 million debt like Bolton have, £60 million like you have or large debts that other clubs have.

It's called running a Club or business responsibly. Something that has been lacking in football for many years. It has to be addressed. Bolton realise this and if you read the article in the Bolton News they explain how they intend to try and sort things out.

If you want to go to court and be treated like a business crack on and you will be shut down immediately.

The sooner you No Dads realise that times are changing and cut your cloth accordingly the better chance you have of survival.
[quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Riverside 7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: It would appear that apart from the so called PL elite. MU, Chelsea etc. All other football clubs will be in dire straits under FFP. The league managers will be powerless to stop all these clubs going bust. It will be like a domino effect, one goes they all go. Is that what they want? A league of five or six mega clubs with amateur feeder clubs training their future stars. Just so tv can have its "fix"!. FFP will be the death of English football as we know it. We must all pray that it is put through the courts and thrown out ASAP. Otherwise it is back to supporting pub teams.[/p][/quote]I agee Darener. I am convinced that the FFP Rules will be challenged in the courts as a restrain of trade. There is no other 'industry' in the world that stops an owner of a business from investing his / her own money in to their own business venture. Venkys could do the whole of the football world some good if they take it to court. All the so-called big clubs will find a way around the rules anyway.[/p][/quote]There was supposed to be a challenge going through the European courts next month if I remember correctly.[/p][/quote]There is no other industry/ business in the world allowed to operate with a £168 million debt like Bolton have, £60 million like you have or large debts that other clubs have. It's called running a Club or business responsibly. Something that has been lacking in football for many years. It has to be addressed. Bolton realise this and if you read the article in the Bolton News they explain how they intend to try and sort things out. If you want to go to court and be treated like a business crack on and you will be shut down immediately. The sooner you No Dads realise that times are changing and cut your cloth accordingly the better chance you have of survival. Manuel Hung

5:51pm Tue 31 Dec 13

A Darener says...

Thousands of companys all over the world are millions of pounds in debt. Football is no different. If an owner wishes to waste his money on his 'hobby' then he should have every right to do so. Just because your owner has no money doesn't mean we have to keep you happy.
Thousands of companys all over the world are millions of pounds in debt. Football is no different. If an owner wishes to waste his money on his 'hobby' then he should have every right to do so. Just because your owner has no money doesn't mean we have to keep you happy. A Darener

5:57pm Tue 31 Dec 13

baldie says...

Wild Rover wrote:
Status Quo rules.....
Manchester Apollo
5th April
The Frantic Four
I will be there.
[quote][p][bold]Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: Status Quo rules.....[/p][/quote]Manchester Apollo 5th April The Frantic Four I will be there. baldie

6:06pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Harwoodstblue says...

Biscay wrote:
Watched him against Wednesday - too slow and has the turning circle of a super tanker - do not purchase!
He's hardly fit and hasn't played much. Give him chance. He won't cost much anyway. If he takes the weight off Rhodes and gives him breathing space he will have done his job. Chipping in with a few goals is a bonus.
[quote][p][bold]Biscay[/bold] wrote: Watched him against Wednesday - too slow and has the turning circle of a super tanker - do not purchase![/p][/quote]He's hardly fit and hasn't played much. Give him chance. He won't cost much anyway. If he takes the weight off Rhodes and gives him breathing space he will have done his job. Chipping in with a few goals is a bonus. Harwoodstblue

6:15pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Manuel Hung says...

A Darener wrote:
Thousands of companys all over the world are millions of pounds in debt. Football is no different. If an owner wishes to waste his money on his 'hobby' then he should have every right to do so. Just because your owner has no money doesn't mean we have to keep you happy.
Yes they are but they also have strategies in place to return to profit in in X number of years because they know that if they don't they will go out of business. Football clubs need to do the same.

I'm glad you realise that No Dad FC is nothing more than a hobby to your masters though. Just compare how they run their proper business interests, well managed, profitable, secure and looking towards future development.

Then look at their hobby. Little or no interest in it, no investment, poorly managed, and most of the assets sold off or re financed.

If you go under it leaves a lot of suppliers and local companies without being paid which means redundancy for their employees. That is why it has to be sorted. You should stop concentrating on your own selfish thoughts of getting back in the Prem at all costs and consider the effects it could have on others.
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Thousands of companys all over the world are millions of pounds in debt. Football is no different. If an owner wishes to waste his money on his 'hobby' then he should have every right to do so. Just because your owner has no money doesn't mean we have to keep you happy.[/p][/quote]Yes they are but they also have strategies in place to return to profit in in X number of years because they know that if they don't they will go out of business. Football clubs need to do the same. I'm glad you realise that No Dad FC is nothing more than a hobby to your masters though. Just compare how they run their proper business interests, well managed, profitable, secure and looking towards future development. Then look at their hobby. Little or no interest in it, no investment, poorly managed, and most of the assets sold off or re financed. If you go under it leaves a lot of suppliers and local companies without being paid which means redundancy for their employees. That is why it has to be sorted. You should stop concentrating on your own selfish thoughts of getting back in the Prem at all costs and consider the effects it could have on others. Manuel Hung

6:16pm Tue 31 Dec 13

eddyo says...

dallydally wrote:
Gestede's work rate generally isn't enough for me. He doesn't work hard enough off the ball. As for Judge - if he goes no loss at all
The whole team's work rate isn't good enough. See how much better it was for the last half hour of the Brum match when they stepped it up.
*
Williamson and Lowe set the pace of our game from the kick-off and it was lazy, gutless and predictable. Both are masters of a 6-yard side pass, preferably to one another, before passing it back for Hanley to lump it.
*
What are Gestede and Rhodes supposed to do with a pitiful supply? More crosses from Marshall and Judge would make us much more dangerous. Instead, players like King and Taylor might catch the eye as they run (with their heads down) but they deliver very little.
[quote][p][bold]dallydally[/bold] wrote: Gestede's work rate generally isn't enough for me. He doesn't work hard enough off the ball. As for Judge - if he goes no loss at all[/p][/quote]The whole team's work rate isn't good enough. See how much better it was for the last half hour of the Brum match when they stepped it up. * Williamson and Lowe set the pace of our game from the kick-off and it was lazy, gutless and predictable. Both are masters of a 6-yard side pass, preferably to one another, before passing it back for Hanley to lump it. * What are Gestede and Rhodes supposed to do with a pitiful supply? More crosses from Marshall and Judge would make us much more dangerous. Instead, players like King and Taylor might catch the eye as they run (with their heads down) but they deliver very little. eddyo

6:20pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Harwoodstblue says...

Manuel Hung wrote:
owd nick wrote:
Riverside 7 wrote:
A Darener wrote:
It would appear that apart from the so called PL elite. MU, Chelsea etc. All other football clubs will be in dire straits under FFP. The league managers will be powerless to stop all these clubs going bust. It will be like a domino effect, one goes they all go. Is that what they want? A league of five or six mega clubs with amateur feeder clubs training their future stars. Just so tv can have its "fix"!. FFP will be the death of English football as we know it. We must all pray that it is put through the courts and thrown out ASAP. Otherwise it is back to supporting pub teams.
I agee Darener.

I am convinced that the FFP Rules will be challenged in the courts as a restrain of trade.

There is no other 'industry' in the world that stops an owner of a business from investing his / her own money in to their own business venture.

Venkys could do the whole of the football world some good if they take it to court.

All the so-called big clubs will find a way around the rules anyway.
There was supposed to be a challenge going through the European courts next month if I remember correctly.
There is no other industry/ business in the world allowed to operate with a £168 million debt like Bolton have, £60 million like you have or large debts that other clubs have.

It's called running a Club or business responsibly. Something that has been lacking in football for many years. It has to be addressed. Bolton realise this and if you read the article in the Bolton News they explain how they intend to try and sort things out.

If you want to go to court and be treated like a business crack on and you will be shut down immediately.

The sooner you No Dads realise that times are changing and cut your cloth accordingly the better chance you have of survival.
You started your post quite sensibly and finished like the typical Manuel Hung.
If Bolton can sort out their 168 mill debt why can't Rovers with a debt less than a third of that?
You don't know, and neither do we, what Venkys are doing in India about the debt as they tell nobody anything about their business. Wait and see or are you another Dingle Mystic Meg.
[quote][p][bold]Manuel Hung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Riverside 7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: It would appear that apart from the so called PL elite. MU, Chelsea etc. All other football clubs will be in dire straits under FFP. The league managers will be powerless to stop all these clubs going bust. It will be like a domino effect, one goes they all go. Is that what they want? A league of five or six mega clubs with amateur feeder clubs training their future stars. Just so tv can have its "fix"!. FFP will be the death of English football as we know it. We must all pray that it is put through the courts and thrown out ASAP. Otherwise it is back to supporting pub teams.[/p][/quote]I agee Darener. I am convinced that the FFP Rules will be challenged in the courts as a restrain of trade. There is no other 'industry' in the world that stops an owner of a business from investing his / her own money in to their own business venture. Venkys could do the whole of the football world some good if they take it to court. All the so-called big clubs will find a way around the rules anyway.[/p][/quote]There was supposed to be a challenge going through the European courts next month if I remember correctly.[/p][/quote]There is no other industry/ business in the world allowed to operate with a £168 million debt like Bolton have, £60 million like you have or large debts that other clubs have. It's called running a Club or business responsibly. Something that has been lacking in football for many years. It has to be addressed. Bolton realise this and if you read the article in the Bolton News they explain how they intend to try and sort things out. If you want to go to court and be treated like a business crack on and you will be shut down immediately. The sooner you No Dads realise that times are changing and cut your cloth accordingly the better chance you have of survival.[/p][/quote]You started your post quite sensibly and finished like the typical Manuel Hung. If Bolton can sort out their 168 mill debt why can't Rovers with a debt less than a third of that? You don't know, and neither do we, what Venkys are doing in India about the debt as they tell nobody anything about their business. Wait and see or are you another Dingle Mystic Meg. Harwoodstblue

6:26pm Tue 31 Dec 13

A Darener says...

The only way of sorting it is for the Venky's to plough millions into their club. Get back to the PL then ........off!
The only way of sorting it is for the Venky's to plough millions into their club. Get back to the PL then ........off! A Darener

6:28pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Harwoodstblue says...

A Darener wrote:
Thousands of companys all over the world are millions of pounds in debt. Football is no different. If an owner wishes to waste his money on his 'hobby' then he should have every right to do so. Just because your owner has no money doesn't mean we have to keep you happy.
Well said Darener. The envy still shines through. They just can't help it.
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Thousands of companys all over the world are millions of pounds in debt. Football is no different. If an owner wishes to waste his money on his 'hobby' then he should have every right to do so. Just because your owner has no money doesn't mean we have to keep you happy.[/p][/quote]Well said Darener. The envy still shines through. They just can't help it. Harwoodstblue

7:20pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Manuel Hung says...

Harwoodstblue wrote:
Manuel Hung wrote:
owd nick wrote:
Riverside 7 wrote:
A Darener wrote:
It would appear that apart from the so called PL elite. MU, Chelsea etc. All other football clubs will be in dire straits under FFP. The league managers will be powerless to stop all these clubs going bust. It will be like a domino effect, one goes they all go. Is that what they want? A league of five or six mega clubs with amateur feeder clubs training their future stars. Just so tv can have its "fix"!. FFP will be the death of English football as we know it. We must all pray that it is put through the courts and thrown out ASAP. Otherwise it is back to supporting pub teams.
I agee Darener.

I am convinced that the FFP Rules will be challenged in the courts as a restrain of trade.

There is no other 'industry' in the world that stops an owner of a business from investing his / her own money in to their own business venture.

Venkys could do the whole of the football world some good if they take it to court.

All the so-called big clubs will find a way around the rules anyway.
There was supposed to be a challenge going through the European courts next month if I remember correctly.
There is no other industry/ business in the world allowed to operate with a £168 million debt like Bolton have, £60 million like you have or large debts that other clubs have.

It's called running a Club or business responsibly. Something that has been lacking in football for many years. It has to be addressed. Bolton realise this and if you read the article in the Bolton News they explain how they intend to try and sort things out.

If you want to go to court and be treated like a business crack on and you will be shut down immediately.

The sooner you No Dads realise that times are changing and cut your cloth accordingly the better chance you have of survival.
You started your post quite sensibly and finished like the typical Manuel Hung.
If Bolton can sort out their 168 mill debt why can't Rovers with a debt less than a third of that?
You don't know, and neither do we, what Venkys are doing in India about the debt as they tell nobody anything about their business. Wait and see or are you another Dingle Mystic Meg.
Well you work it out.

Venkys proper companies are well managed and profitable without doubt. The Blackburn Rovers dept of their company although owned by them is run as a separate entity with no comeback what so ever on their other assets.

It is 99% owned by a shell company 'Venkys UK'' based in london which since it's inception has borrowed millions from Indian banks to finance their hobby thus far.

To compliment this they have sold or re financed all the assets the club had which means that the exposure to them personally or their business is ZERO.
In effect the Indian banks own you and not the Venkys.

I can't imagine them all sat round the table at dinner saying "I know let's chuck £60 million of our own money to clear Blackburn's debts and then let's chuck another £40 million into it to just so we don't end up in this position again"

Can you?
[quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Manuel Hung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Riverside 7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: It would appear that apart from the so called PL elite. MU, Chelsea etc. All other football clubs will be in dire straits under FFP. The league managers will be powerless to stop all these clubs going bust. It will be like a domino effect, one goes they all go. Is that what they want? A league of five or six mega clubs with amateur feeder clubs training their future stars. Just so tv can have its "fix"!. FFP will be the death of English football as we know it. We must all pray that it is put through the courts and thrown out ASAP. Otherwise it is back to supporting pub teams.[/p][/quote]I agee Darener. I am convinced that the FFP Rules will be challenged in the courts as a restrain of trade. There is no other 'industry' in the world that stops an owner of a business from investing his / her own money in to their own business venture. Venkys could do the whole of the football world some good if they take it to court. All the so-called big clubs will find a way around the rules anyway.[/p][/quote]There was supposed to be a challenge going through the European courts next month if I remember correctly.[/p][/quote]There is no other industry/ business in the world allowed to operate with a £168 million debt like Bolton have, £60 million like you have or large debts that other clubs have. It's called running a Club or business responsibly. Something that has been lacking in football for many years. It has to be addressed. Bolton realise this and if you read the article in the Bolton News they explain how they intend to try and sort things out. If you want to go to court and be treated like a business crack on and you will be shut down immediately. The sooner you No Dads realise that times are changing and cut your cloth accordingly the better chance you have of survival.[/p][/quote]You started your post quite sensibly and finished like the typical Manuel Hung. If Bolton can sort out their 168 mill debt why can't Rovers with a debt less than a third of that? You don't know, and neither do we, what Venkys are doing in India about the debt as they tell nobody anything about their business. Wait and see or are you another Dingle Mystic Meg.[/p][/quote]Well you work it out. Venkys proper companies are well managed and profitable without doubt. The Blackburn Rovers dept of their company although owned by them is run as a separate entity with no comeback what so ever on their other assets. It is 99% owned by a shell company 'Venkys UK'' based in london which since it's inception has borrowed millions from Indian banks to finance their hobby thus far. To compliment this they have sold or re financed all the assets the club had which means that the exposure to them personally or their business is ZERO. In effect the Indian banks own you and not the Venkys. I can't imagine them all sat round the table at dinner saying "I know let's chuck £60 million of our own money to clear Blackburn's debts and then let's chuck another £40 million into it to just so we don't end up in this position again" Can you? Manuel Hung

8:06pm Tue 31 Dec 13

oggy 56 says...

Manuel Hung wrote:
A Darener wrote:
Dingle fans think Rovers are in financial trouble....just look at Bolton's figures just announced, now that's financial trouble.
At least they acknowledge the dire position they are in. Unlike No Dad FC who seem to think they can keep on spending regardless.

Bolton's financial position now is where you will be in 18 months.
bolton owe £169 mil to everybody we owe £56 mill to our owners i.t a tax loss .or they will have to rename a stand. the venky stand like city did
[quote][p][bold]Manuel Hung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Dingle fans think Rovers are in financial trouble....just look at Bolton's figures just announced, now that's financial trouble.[/p][/quote]At least they acknowledge the dire position they are in. Unlike No Dad FC who seem to think they can keep on spending regardless. Bolton's financial position now is where you will be in 18 months.[/p][/quote]bolton owe £169 mil to everybody we owe £56 mill to our owners i.t a tax loss .or they will have to rename a stand. the venky stand like city did oggy 56

8:20pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Manuel Hung says...

oggy 56 wrote:
Manuel Hung wrote:
A Darener wrote:
Dingle fans think Rovers are in financial trouble....just look at Bolton's figures just announced, now that's financial trouble.
At least they acknowledge the dire position they are in. Unlike No Dad FC who seem to think they can keep on spending regardless.

Bolton's financial position now is where you will be in 18 months.
bolton owe £169 mil to everybody we owe £56 mill to our owners i.t a tax loss .or they will have to rename a stand. the venky stand like city did
No you owe it to the Indian banks who Venkys have borrowed all the money off to fund their hobby so far and therefore they subsequently own your club.

Happy new year!
[quote][p][bold]oggy 56[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Manuel Hung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Dingle fans think Rovers are in financial trouble....just look at Bolton's figures just announced, now that's financial trouble.[/p][/quote]At least they acknowledge the dire position they are in. Unlike No Dad FC who seem to think they can keep on spending regardless. Bolton's financial position now is where you will be in 18 months.[/p][/quote]bolton owe £169 mil to everybody we owe £56 mill to our owners i.t a tax loss .or they will have to rename a stand. the venky stand like city did[/p][/quote]No you owe it to the Indian banks who Venkys have borrowed all the money off to fund their hobby so far and therefore they subsequently own your club. Happy new year! Manuel Hung

8:23pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Harwoodstblue says...

Manuel Hung wrote:
Harwoodstblue wrote:
Manuel Hung wrote:
owd nick wrote:
Riverside 7 wrote:
A Darener wrote:
It would appear that apart from the so called PL elite. MU, Chelsea etc. All other football clubs will be in dire straits under FFP. The league managers will be powerless to stop all these clubs going bust. It will be like a domino effect, one goes they all go. Is that what they want? A league of five or six mega clubs with amateur feeder clubs training their future stars. Just so tv can have its "fix"!. FFP will be the death of English football as we know it. We must all pray that it is put through the courts and thrown out ASAP. Otherwise it is back to supporting pub teams.
I agee Darener.

I am convinced that the FFP Rules will be challenged in the courts as a restrain of trade.

There is no other 'industry' in the world that stops an owner of a business from investing his / her own money in to their own business venture.

Venkys could do the whole of the football world some good if they take it to court.

All the so-called big clubs will find a way around the rules anyway.
There was supposed to be a challenge going through the European courts next month if I remember correctly.
There is no other industry/ business in the world allowed to operate with a £168 million debt like Bolton have, £60 million like you have or large debts that other clubs have.

It's called running a Club or business responsibly. Something that has been lacking in football for many years. It has to be addressed. Bolton realise this and if you read the article in the Bolton News they explain how they intend to try and sort things out.

If you want to go to court and be treated like a business crack on and you will be shut down immediately.

The sooner you No Dads realise that times are changing and cut your cloth accordingly the better chance you have of survival.
You started your post quite sensibly and finished like the typical Manuel Hung.
If Bolton can sort out their 168 mill debt why can't Rovers with a debt less than a third of that?
You don't know, and neither do we, what Venkys are doing in India about the debt as they tell nobody anything about their business. Wait and see or are you another Dingle Mystic Meg.
Well you work it out.

Venkys proper companies are well managed and profitable without doubt. The Blackburn Rovers dept of their company although owned by them is run as a separate entity with no comeback what so ever on their other assets.

It is 99% owned by a shell company 'Venkys UK'' based in london which since it's inception has borrowed millions from Indian banks to finance their hobby thus far.

To compliment this they have sold or re financed all the assets the club had which means that the exposure to them personally or their business is ZERO.
In effect the Indian banks own you and not the Venkys.

I can't imagine them all sat round the table at dinner saying "I know let's chuck £60 million of our own money to clear Blackburn's debts and then let's chuck another £40 million into it to just so we don't end up in this position again"

Can you?
They don't need to "chuck" another £40 million at it.
Profits / losses, they employ accountants no doubt. Wait and see rather than speculate or are you an accountant ?
[quote][p][bold]Manuel Hung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Manuel Hung[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Riverside 7[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: It would appear that apart from the so called PL elite. MU, Chelsea etc. All other football clubs will be in dire straits under FFP. The league managers will be powerless to stop all these clubs going bust. It will be like a domino effect, one goes they all go. Is that what they want? A league of five or six mega clubs with amateur feeder clubs training their future stars. Just so tv can have its "fix"!. FFP will be the death of English football as we know it. We must all pray that it is put through the courts and thrown out ASAP. Otherwise it is back to supporting pub teams.[/p][/quote]I agee Darener. I am convinced that the FFP Rules will be challenged in the courts as a restrain of trade. There is no other 'industry' in the world that stops an owner of a business from investing his / her own money in to their own business venture. Venkys could do the whole of the football world some good if they take it to court. All the so-called big clubs will find a way around the rules anyway.[/p][/quote]There was supposed to be a challenge going through the European courts next month if I remember correctly.[/p][/quote]There is no other industry/ business in the world allowed to operate with a £168 million debt like Bolton have, £60 million like you have or large debts that other clubs have. It's called running a Club or business responsibly. Something that has been lacking in football for many years. It has to be addressed. Bolton realise this and if you read the article in the Bolton News they explain how they intend to try and sort things out. If you want to go to court and be treated like a business crack on and you will be shut down immediately. The sooner you No Dads realise that times are changing and cut your cloth accordingly the better chance you have of survival.[/p][/quote]You started your post quite sensibly and finished like the typical Manuel Hung. If Bolton can sort out their 168 mill debt why can't Rovers with a debt less than a third of that? You don't know, and neither do we, what Venkys are doing in India about the debt as they tell nobody anything about their business. Wait and see or are you another Dingle Mystic Meg.[/p][/quote]Well you work it out. Venkys proper companies are well managed and profitable without doubt. The Blackburn Rovers dept of their company although owned by them is run as a separate entity with no comeback what so ever on their other assets. It is 99% owned by a shell company 'Venkys UK'' based in london which since it's inception has borrowed millions from Indian banks to finance their hobby thus far. To compliment this they have sold or re financed all the assets the club had which means that the exposure to them personally or their business is ZERO. In effect the Indian banks own you and not the Venkys. I can't imagine them all sat round the table at dinner saying "I know let's chuck £60 million of our own money to clear Blackburn's debts and then let's chuck another £40 million into it to just so we don't end up in this position again" Can you?[/p][/quote]They don't need to "chuck" another £40 million at it. Profits / losses, they employ accountants no doubt. Wait and see rather than speculate or are you an accountant ? Harwoodstblue

1:30am Wed 1 Jan 14

kazluvsrovers says...

Harwoodstblue wrote:
RobH2O wrote:
owd nick wrote:
Good, I have been impressed with what I have seen so far, he looks to be the perfect foil for Rhodes as longs as GB gets this stupid one up front tactic out of his head.

As for Judge I like him, always gives everything and no lack of pace, skill and imagination but I suspect that with Corry Evans on the way back, Marshall and Taylor in decent form, King, Rochina, etc; he is going to struggle.

Nothing wrong with going out on loan in that case, keeps him match fit.
Foil for Rhodes? Nah, replacement. Rhodes if off to Hull.
Shut up Mystic Meg.
More like Septic Peg!!
[quote][p][bold]Harwoodstblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RobH2O[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owd nick[/bold] wrote: Good, I have been impressed with what I have seen so far, he looks to be the perfect foil for Rhodes as longs as GB gets this stupid one up front tactic out of his head. As for Judge I like him, always gives everything and no lack of pace, skill and imagination but I suspect that with Corry Evans on the way back, Marshall and Taylor in decent form, King, Rochina, etc; he is going to struggle. Nothing wrong with going out on loan in that case, keeps him match fit.[/p][/quote]Foil for Rhodes? Nah, replacement. Rhodes if off to Hull.[/p][/quote]Shut up Mystic Meg.[/p][/quote]More like Septic Peg!! kazluvsrovers

6:48pm Wed 1 Jan 14

flagstone says...

Wild Rover wrote:
j bee wrote:
wonder if he is as good as davies ,, grabbi , kalnic, ferguson, 7 million each them lot must waste more money than any club in englanld 57 mill in debt no wonder mr williams got out plus all the payouts to x managers very badly run club since jack died
Well now, Davies was bought when Jack was alive and he was the only one that cost 7 million
Grabbi was bought by Souey and Williams and cost 6
Kalinic by Sam and Williams for 4
Ferguson? Hughes and.Williams
So your point was??
Still you are Dingle, cant expect you to get anything right
Don't forget Nathan Blake
[quote][p][bold]Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]j bee[/bold] wrote: wonder if he is as good as davies ,, grabbi , kalnic, ferguson, 7 million each them lot must waste more money than any club in englanld 57 mill in debt no wonder mr williams got out plus all the payouts to x managers very badly run club since jack died[/p][/quote]Well now, Davies was bought when Jack was alive and he was the only one that cost 7 million Grabbi was bought by Souey and Williams and cost 6 Kalinic by Sam and Williams for 4 Ferguson? Hughes and.Williams So your point was?? Still you are Dingle, cant expect you to get anything right[/p][/quote]Don't forget Nathan Blake flagstone

7:09pm Wed 1 Jan 14

flagstone says...

dangerous dave wrote:
peely wrote:
Our astute manager says about Judge " he wants to play football and you,ve got to admire him for that " !! Sometimes I just cannot believe the tripe that comes out of his mouth , to be admired for wanting to play football ?! That's his f&&&ing job you plonker ! I know he,s one of your mates and all that but please engage brain before coming out with such juvenile / ludicrous comments !
yes well this is the problem built a team of mates around himself and as for the garbage that he spouts sounding more like Kean by the day!!!!
OUT WITH THE COWBOYS AND INDIANS
Seriously, who do you expect to buy out Venkys . You would welcome a "tan " like Cardiff would you . Your unbelievable !!!!!
[quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]peely[/bold] wrote: Our astute manager says about Judge " he wants to play football and you,ve got to admire him for that " !! Sometimes I just cannot believe the tripe that comes out of his mouth , to be admired for wanting to play football ?! That's his f&&&ing job you plonker ! I know he,s one of your mates and all that but please engage brain before coming out with such juvenile / ludicrous comments ![/p][/quote]yes well this is the problem built a team of mates around himself and as for the garbage that he spouts sounding more like Kean by the day!!!! OUT WITH THE COWBOYS AND INDIANS[/p][/quote]Seriously, who do you expect to buy out Venkys . You would welcome a "tan " like Cardiff would you . Your unbelievable !!!!! flagstone

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