Bowyer heartened by Rovers’ end of year show

This Is Lancashire: Jordan Rhodes is on target against Birmingham Jordan Rhodes is on target against Birmingham

BLACKBURN Rovers players received praise in defeat as they ended the year with a battling 3-2 home loss to Birmingham City yesterday.

Gary Bowyer was disappointed not to finish 2013 with a victory that would have moved his side within one point of the play-offs.

But the Rovers boss was heartened with the fight they showed after going in at half-time three goals down.

A double strike from top scorer Jordan Rhodes set up a grandstand finish.

But Rovers were unable to find an equaliser as their four-game unbeaten run was ended in the last match of the year.

Bowyer said: “Birmingham might have gone in our half three times in the first half and scored three goals.

“The level of performance was decent and we were happy enough with how we were with the ball, although they were poor goals to give away.

“But the second half was absolutely outstanding.

“We could quite easily have collapsed and died but this group of players don’t know how to do that and that’s full credit to them because we turned that mentality around very quickly in a short space of time and on another day we might have got a point.

“But at the same time we could even have won it. It was a crazy game.”

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9:02am Mon 30 Dec 13

You're not mugging me off that easily says...

The words of a man who knows his number is almost up.
The words of a man who knows his number is almost up. You're not mugging me off that easily

9:08am Mon 30 Dec 13

Is Eckersley playing? says...

Take the positives and move on, eh Gary?
Take the positives and move on, eh Gary? Is Eckersley playing?

9:42am Mon 30 Dec 13

You're not mugging me off that easily says...

Venky's OUT Vincent Tan IN !!!
Venky's OUT Vincent Tan IN !!! You're not mugging me off that easily

9:43am Mon 30 Dec 13

You're not mugging me off that easily says...

I bet that "wall of noise" was deafening.
I bet that "wall of noise" was deafening. You're not mugging me off that easily

9:46am Mon 30 Dec 13

Fortyfourer says...

You must be joking! Three - Nil down at half time!
You must be joking! Three - Nil down at half time! Fortyfourer

9:58am Mon 30 Dec 13

Rovers 1495 says...

“Birmingham might have gone in our half three times in the first half and scored three goals."

So what's that saying about them, Gary, or us ?
“Birmingham might have gone in our half three times in the first half and scored three goals." So what's that saying about them, Gary, or us ? Rovers 1495

10:05am Mon 30 Dec 13

harwoodblue says...

Second half shows what happens when the fans actually get behind the team instead of moaning, we have played worse than that and won games, bit of dodgy keeping for their third but and Novak should have been closed down quicker for the second. If Dann had made contact with the ball in the last minute insead of swinging at fresh air everyone would be talking about a superb comeback and not another defeat. Just need to write that one off and start again. Tasty little away trip to Leeds and then put the reserves out against City.
Second half shows what happens when the fans actually get behind the team instead of moaning, we have played worse than that and won games, bit of dodgy keeping for their third but and Novak should have been closed down quicker for the second. If Dann had made contact with the ball in the last minute insead of swinging at fresh air everyone would be talking about a superb comeback and not another defeat. Just need to write that one off and start again. Tasty little away trip to Leeds and then put the reserves out against City. harwoodblue

10:16am Mon 30 Dec 13

MatthewCA says...

Move ON, we lost few games from our own mistakes

1. Jake kean poor collection of ball in the box - Two matchs we lost
2. Hanley red card - Wigen match we lost
3. Poor selection of 11 players - Doncaster, Birmingham City,Shefeild

Is not accpetable cases like Ispitch match,Birmingham City, doncaster, Sheff_wed matchs,which we should have take points. GB is not pressing his players for MUST WIN games.

Hope the table will swing again with our consistancy in the new year season and get back few quality powerfull players in this transfer window, who can lead the team other than this chocolate boys.
Move ON, we lost few games from our own mistakes 1. Jake kean poor collection of ball in the box - Two matchs we lost 2. Hanley red card - Wigen match we lost 3. Poor selection of 11 players - Doncaster, Birmingham City,Shefeild Is not accpetable cases like Ispitch match,Birmingham City, doncaster, Sheff_wed matchs,which we should have take points. GB is not pressing his players for MUST WIN games. Hope the table will swing again with our consistancy in the new year season and get back few quality powerfull players in this transfer window, who can lead the team other than this chocolate boys. MatthewCA

10:23am Mon 30 Dec 13

juanbbien says...

So now he is praising us for a fighting display in the second half even though we still lost like its something to be proud of this lot are going nowhere,it's reported we are after some striker from Bradford now what does this indicate, ?
So now he is praising us for a fighting display in the second half even though we still lost like its something to be proud of this lot are going nowhere,it's reported we are after some striker from Bradford now what does this indicate, ? juanbbien

10:29am Mon 30 Dec 13

You're not mugging me off that easily says...

juanbbien wrote:
So now he is praising us for a fighting display in the second half even though we still lost like its something to be proud of this lot are going nowhere,it's reported we are after some striker from Bradford now what does this indicate, ?
Nakhi Wells ?? If so you should be scrambling to buy him. He's a proven striker with an eye for goal. And if you do end up getting relegated his league 1 experience will prove invaluable.
[quote][p][bold]juanbbien[/bold] wrote: So now he is praising us for a fighting display in the second half even though we still lost like its something to be proud of this lot are going nowhere,it's reported we are after some striker from Bradford now what does this indicate, ?[/p][/quote]Nakhi Wells ?? If so you should be scrambling to buy him. He's a proven striker with an eye for goal. And if you do end up getting relegated his league 1 experience will prove invaluable. You're not mugging me off that easily

10:34am Mon 30 Dec 13

harwoodblue says...

juanbbien wrote:
So now he is praising us for a fighting display in the second half even though we still lost like its something to be proud of this lot are going nowhere,it's reported we are after some striker from Bradford now what does this indicate, ?
If its Nahki Wells we are linked with he would be a good signing, good young striker with a good goal to games ratio, already bagged 14 this season. Would prefer him in the team to Best, Campbell, Goodwillie.
[quote][p][bold]juanbbien[/bold] wrote: So now he is praising us for a fighting display in the second half even though we still lost like its something to be proud of this lot are going nowhere,it's reported we are after some striker from Bradford now what does this indicate, ?[/p][/quote]If its Nahki Wells we are linked with he would be a good signing, good young striker with a good goal to games ratio, already bagged 14 this season. Would prefer him in the team to Best, Campbell, Goodwillie. harwoodblue

10:36am Mon 30 Dec 13

garner9 says...

This deluded polishing of t@rds is what annoys me most about GB.
The first half was a joke of performance. We might have been a better team than Birmingham but Bowyer could no get the result. It is the same as Kean with his taking the positives. Just fix the problems and stop all this meaningless waffle.

The players did respond in the second half with the determination required 180 minutes ago. We seized the initiative, we played without fear and asked questions of the opposition. This half paced lack of intensity will get us nowhere.
This deluded polishing of t@rds is what annoys me most about GB. The first half was a joke of performance. We might have been a better team than Birmingham but Bowyer could no get the result. It is the same as Kean with his taking the positives. Just fix the problems and stop all this meaningless waffle. The players did respond in the second half with the determination required 180 minutes ago. We seized the initiative, we played without fear and asked questions of the opposition. This half paced lack of intensity will get us nowhere. garner9

10:49am Mon 30 Dec 13

brown cow warrior says...

We lost a game we should have easily won.........GB has to take responsibility for that and not keep waffling on about the positives. What's positive about being three nil down by half time? And please please lets not have a deluge of posts about how much better off we are now than we were whenever. It's REALITY time and I fear for our next outing.........GB will probably see two or three down by the interval as a 'decent' performance. Unfortunately a lot of posters on this site will too.
We lost a game we should have easily won.........GB has to take responsibility for that and not keep waffling on about the positives. What's positive about being three nil down by half time? And please please lets not have a deluge of posts about how much better off we are now than we were whenever. It's REALITY time and I fear for our next outing.........GB will probably see two or three down by the interval as a 'decent' performance. Unfortunately a lot of posters on this site will too. brown cow warrior

10:51am Mon 30 Dec 13

Bill Carson says...

garner9 wrote:
This deluded polishing of t@rds is what annoys me most about GB.
The first half was a joke of performance. We might have been a better team than Birmingham but Bowyer could no get the result. It is the same as Kean with his taking the positives. Just fix the problems and stop all this meaningless waffle.

The players did respond in the second half with the determination required 180 minutes ago. We seized the initiative, we played without fear and asked questions of the opposition. This half paced lack of intensity will get us nowhere.
Couldn't have put it better myself!
[quote][p][bold]garner9[/bold] wrote: This deluded polishing of t@rds is what annoys me most about GB. The first half was a joke of performance. We might have been a better team than Birmingham but Bowyer could no get the result. It is the same as Kean with his taking the positives. Just fix the problems and stop all this meaningless waffle. The players did respond in the second half with the determination required 180 minutes ago. We seized the initiative, we played without fear and asked questions of the opposition. This half paced lack of intensity will get us nowhere.[/p][/quote]Couldn't have put it better myself! Bill Carson

10:54am Mon 30 Dec 13

Lancs - pensioner says...

I actually enjoyed this game, I couldn't believe we where three down at half time, we had played really well but Birminghams finishing was very clinical, the second half was fantastic, did we win, no, did I think I got my money's worth, yes, I remember the home game against Charlton, we lost and I felt like I had been robbed, it was a very poor game. Football is an entertainment and although we lost I was entertained yesterday.
GB is still doing a fab job steadying the ship, some posts on here change daily depending on wether we win or loose, give the guy a chance, we have no right to just go up, it may be next year before the whole mess at Ewood Park is sorted out, we still need to ship out a lot of expensive deadwood and get clobbered by the FPL charges but whilst the owners still back us I'm just riding the very bumpy ride.
Enjoy it while it lasts, it can only go one of two ways, I'm on a "Glass half full" day today, Happy New Year, remember whilst your pushing Daisy's down and not up it's a great day.
I actually enjoyed this game, I couldn't believe we where three down at half time, we had played really well but Birminghams finishing was very clinical, the second half was fantastic, did we win, no, did I think I got my money's worth, yes, I remember the home game against Charlton, we lost and I felt like I had been robbed, it was a very poor game. Football is an entertainment and although we lost I was entertained yesterday. GB is still doing a fab job steadying the ship, some posts on here change daily depending on wether we win or loose, give the guy a chance, we have no right to just go up, it may be next year before the whole mess at Ewood Park is sorted out, we still need to ship out a lot of expensive deadwood and get clobbered by the FPL charges but whilst the owners still back us I'm just riding the very bumpy ride. Enjoy it while it lasts, it can only go one of two ways, I'm on a "Glass half full" day today, Happy New Year, remember whilst your pushing Daisy's down and not up it's a great day. Lancs - pensioner

11:04am Mon 30 Dec 13

tall in the saddle says...

Lancs - pensioner wrote:
I actually enjoyed this game, I couldn't believe we where three down at half time, we had played really well but Birminghams finishing was very clinical, the second half was fantastic, did we win, no, did I think I got my money's worth, yes, I remember the home game against Charlton, we lost and I felt like I had been robbed, it was a very poor game. Football is an entertainment and although we lost I was entertained yesterday.
GB is still doing a fab job steadying the ship, some posts on here change daily depending on wether we win or loose, give the guy a chance, we have no right to just go up, it may be next year before the whole mess at Ewood Park is sorted out, we still need to ship out a lot of expensive deadwood and get clobbered by the FPL charges but whilst the owners still back us I'm just riding the very bumpy ride.
Enjoy it while it lasts, it can only go one of two ways, I'm on a "Glass half full" day today, Happy New Year, remember whilst your pushing Daisy's down and not up it's a great day.
Enjoyed it? It’s definitely caught up with you now. Get your feet up lad.
[quote][p][bold]Lancs - pensioner[/bold] wrote: I actually enjoyed this game, I couldn't believe we where three down at half time, we had played really well but Birminghams finishing was very clinical, the second half was fantastic, did we win, no, did I think I got my money's worth, yes, I remember the home game against Charlton, we lost and I felt like I had been robbed, it was a very poor game. Football is an entertainment and although we lost I was entertained yesterday. GB is still doing a fab job steadying the ship, some posts on here change daily depending on wether we win or loose, give the guy a chance, we have no right to just go up, it may be next year before the whole mess at Ewood Park is sorted out, we still need to ship out a lot of expensive deadwood and get clobbered by the FPL charges but whilst the owners still back us I'm just riding the very bumpy ride. Enjoy it while it lasts, it can only go one of two ways, I'm on a "Glass half full" day today, Happy New Year, remember whilst your pushing Daisy's down and not up it's a great day.[/p][/quote]Enjoyed it? It’s definitely caught up with you now. Get your feet up lad. tall in the saddle

11:05am Mon 30 Dec 13

benal13 says...

brown cow warrior wrote:
We lost a game we should have easily won.........GB has to take responsibility for that and not keep waffling on about the positives. What's positive about being three nil down by half time? And please please lets not have a deluge of posts about how much better off we are now than we were whenever. It's REALITY time and I fear for our next outing.........GB will probably see two or three down by the interval as a 'decent' performance. Unfortunately a lot of posters on this site will too.
you have to ask would GB get another job in managment if he was sacked today the answer is NO he talkes cr@p most of the time, hes the only person in blackburn whos happy except his angers on, and a few of the out of work idiots who are on here every day and night
[quote][p][bold]brown cow warrior[/bold] wrote: We lost a game we should have easily won.........GB has to take responsibility for that and not keep waffling on about the positives. What's positive about being three nil down by half time? And please please lets not have a deluge of posts about how much better off we are now than we were whenever. It's REALITY time and I fear for our next outing.........GB will probably see two or three down by the interval as a 'decent' performance. Unfortunately a lot of posters on this site will too.[/p][/quote]you have to ask would GB get another job in managment if he was sacked today the answer is NO he talkes cr@p most of the time, hes the only person in blackburn whos happy except his angers on, and a few of the out of work idiots who are on here every day and night benal13

11:05am Mon 30 Dec 13

benal13 says...

brown cow warrior wrote:
We lost a game we should have easily won.........GB has to take responsibility for that and not keep waffling on about the positives. What's positive about being three nil down by half time? And please please lets not have a deluge of posts about how much better off we are now than we were whenever. It's REALITY time and I fear for our next outing.........GB will probably see two or three down by the interval as a 'decent' performance. Unfortunately a lot of posters on this site will too.
you have to ask would GB get another job in managment if he was sacked today the answer is NO he talkes cr@p most of the time, hes the only person in blackburn whos happy except his angers on, and a few of the out of work idiots who are on here every day and night
[quote][p][bold]brown cow warrior[/bold] wrote: We lost a game we should have easily won.........GB has to take responsibility for that and not keep waffling on about the positives. What's positive about being three nil down by half time? And please please lets not have a deluge of posts about how much better off we are now than we were whenever. It's REALITY time and I fear for our next outing.........GB will probably see two or three down by the interval as a 'decent' performance. Unfortunately a lot of posters on this site will too.[/p][/quote]you have to ask would GB get another job in managment if he was sacked today the answer is NO he talkes cr@p most of the time, hes the only person in blackburn whos happy except his angers on, and a few of the out of work idiots who are on here every day and night benal13

11:10am Mon 30 Dec 13

benal13 says...

Lancs - pensioner wrote:
I actually enjoyed this game, I couldn't believe we where three down at half time, we had played really well but Birminghams finishing was very clinical, the second half was fantastic, did we win, no, did I think I got my money's worth, yes, I remember the home game against Charlton, we lost and I felt like I had been robbed, it was a very poor game. Football is an entertainment and although we lost I was entertained yesterday.
GB is still doing a fab job steadying the ship, some posts on here change daily depending on wether we win or loose, give the guy a chance, we have no right to just go up, it may be next year before the whole mess at Ewood Park is sorted out, we still need to ship out a lot of expensive deadwood and get clobbered by the FPL charges but whilst the owners still back us I'm just riding the very bumpy ride.
Enjoy it while it lasts, it can only go one of two ways, I'm on a "Glass half full" day today, Happy New Year, remember whilst your pushing Daisy's down and not up it's a great day.
NURSE hes rambling again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Lancs - pensioner[/bold] wrote: I actually enjoyed this game, I couldn't believe we where three down at half time, we had played really well but Birminghams finishing was very clinical, the second half was fantastic, did we win, no, did I think I got my money's worth, yes, I remember the home game against Charlton, we lost and I felt like I had been robbed, it was a very poor game. Football is an entertainment and although we lost I was entertained yesterday. GB is still doing a fab job steadying the ship, some posts on here change daily depending on wether we win or loose, give the guy a chance, we have no right to just go up, it may be next year before the whole mess at Ewood Park is sorted out, we still need to ship out a lot of expensive deadwood and get clobbered by the FPL charges but whilst the owners still back us I'm just riding the very bumpy ride. Enjoy it while it lasts, it can only go one of two ways, I'm on a "Glass half full" day today, Happy New Year, remember whilst your pushing Daisy's down and not up it's a great day.[/p][/quote]NURSE hes rambling again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! benal13

11:11am Mon 30 Dec 13

Wild Rover says...

I see Mugsy is on here spouting but avoiding mentioning the fact that at the halfway stage the Mighty Clarts are out of the automatic spots, only just but the slide is starting
Pity we fcked it up this week but I still believe we will meet in the play offs
See you then then
I see Mugsy is on here spouting but avoiding mentioning the fact that at the halfway stage the Mighty Clarts are out of the automatic spots, only just but the slide is starting Pity we fcked it up this week but I still believe we will meet in the play offs See you then then Wild Rover

11:12am Mon 30 Dec 13

Tatts says...

Come on fellas, a bit of pragmatism is needed here.

We can't start the whole cycle of swapping and changing again. Yes, recent results have been disappointing but we're still not doing that badly and I'm sure we'll all agree that it's an improvement on this time last year.

I'm not having it that Bowyer is a bad manager. As a manager, he's won more games than he's lost and yet he's been managing for less than a year. Surely everyone can appreciate that learning a new job can take a bit of time. If he was a bad manager then we'd now be in the relegation zone. He's also had some difficult players to deal with ie Best and Campbell who weren't his signings and working for Venkys is obviously not easy.

Give the man a break! He's Blackburn Rovers through and through and deserves at least another year in charge.

Time and patience is required!
Come on fellas, a bit of pragmatism is needed here. We can't start the whole cycle of swapping and changing again. Yes, recent results have been disappointing but we're still not doing that badly and I'm sure we'll all agree that it's an improvement on this time last year. I'm not having it that Bowyer is a bad manager. As a manager, he's won more games than he's lost and yet he's been managing for less than a year. Surely everyone can appreciate that learning a new job can take a bit of time. If he was a bad manager then we'd now be in the relegation zone. He's also had some difficult players to deal with ie Best and Campbell who weren't his signings and working for Venkys is obviously not easy. Give the man a break! He's Blackburn Rovers through and through and deserves at least another year in charge. Time and patience is required! Tatts

11:14am Mon 30 Dec 13

Ronaldpetercooper says...

Yes we must in our position look for positives but they were few and far between on sunday. This has left us with one point from two home games against teams well below us in the league. I agree with frenchie that we should not get on GB's back as he cannot be blamed for our position. He is after all learning the job as he goes and we just cannot afford for yet another managerial change. My criticism of GB is he talks too much and I prefer a more realistic approach.
Sadly we have too many same as players and are unable to bring on game changers with our substitutions.
I cannot agree with Frenchie when he says we have a better squad now than we have had for some time. There are possibly only three or four of the present team who would get into our squad of two or three yearsago.
However is right to say we have to accept where we are and settle for a position half way in this league whilst we do not forget that silly points dropped like the last two games will be costly. Come on GB decide your best team and get rid of those not good enough. At the same time sort out team spirit as sunday showed a few problems may be round the corner.
Yes we must in our position look for positives but they were few and far between on sunday. This has left us with one point from two home games against teams well below us in the league. I agree with frenchie that we should not get on GB's back as he cannot be blamed for our position. He is after all learning the job as he goes and we just cannot afford for yet another managerial change. My criticism of GB is he talks too much and I prefer a more realistic approach. Sadly we have too many same as players and are unable to bring on game changers with our substitutions. I cannot agree with Frenchie when he says we have a better squad now than we have had for some time. There are possibly only three or four of the present team who would get into our squad of two or three yearsago. However is right to say we have to accept where we are and settle for a position half way in this league whilst we do not forget that silly points dropped like the last two games will be costly. Come on GB decide your best team and get rid of those not good enough. At the same time sort out team spirit as sunday showed a few problems may be round the corner. Ronaldpetercooper

11:18am Mon 30 Dec 13

benal13 says...

harwoodblue wrote:
juanbbien wrote:
So now he is praising us for a fighting display in the second half even though we still lost like its something to be proud of this lot are going nowhere,it's reported we are after some striker from Bradford now what does this indicate, ?
If its Nahki Wells we are linked with he would be a good signing, good young striker with a good goal to games ratio, already bagged 14 this season. Would prefer him in the team to Best, Campbell, Goodwillie.
but has he got a police record ,if not then he wouldnt fit in ???????
[quote][p][bold]harwoodblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]juanbbien[/bold] wrote: So now he is praising us for a fighting display in the second half even though we still lost like its something to be proud of this lot are going nowhere,it's reported we are after some striker from Bradford now what does this indicate, ?[/p][/quote]If its Nahki Wells we are linked with he would be a good signing, good young striker with a good goal to games ratio, already bagged 14 this season. Would prefer him in the team to Best, Campbell, Goodwillie.[/p][/quote]but has he got a police record ,if not then he wouldnt fit in ??????? benal13

11:20am Mon 30 Dec 13

FakeVilla_MTCabinet says...

Three hit and hopes in the first half sank us. I agree with bowyer on another day brum wouldn't have scored at all. Probably ending up in the river instead of the net. So we move on.
The time is about right for briggy braggy brew and the doomongers to come out demanding the return of shaggy. Bowyer is doing fine. Remember dyches first season in charge?. Too many headless chickens on here.
Three hit and hopes in the first half sank us. I agree with bowyer on another day brum wouldn't have scored at all. Probably ending up in the river instead of the net. So we move on. The time is about right for briggy braggy brew and the doomongers to come out demanding the return of shaggy. Bowyer is doing fine. Remember dyches first season in charge?. Too many headless chickens on here. FakeVilla_MTCabinet

11:24am Mon 30 Dec 13

harwoodblue says...

Think Sunday showed that Eastwood isnt the answer, looks a bit to lightweight and for the third Dann was screaming at him to come and get the ball when he was holding the striker off, should have been an easy clearance but because of his lack of experience he stood off and then panicked. The sooner Robbo is fit the better he needs an run out against City, im sure they will keep him busy and get him up to speed. Silly goal keeping mistakes and cost us several points this season already.
Think Sunday showed that Eastwood isnt the answer, looks a bit to lightweight and for the third Dann was screaming at him to come and get the ball when he was holding the striker off, should have been an easy clearance but because of his lack of experience he stood off and then panicked. The sooner Robbo is fit the better he needs an run out against City, im sure they will keep him busy and get him up to speed. Silly goal keeping mistakes and cost us several points this season already. harwoodblue

11:24am Mon 30 Dec 13

old man rover says...

Going 3down at home to a club below us in the league is a cause for concern not congratulation. 1 points out of 6 is poor given that we were at home. In the Sheffield Wed match we were unable to put enough men into the box to get any real pressure on them. Why? Any of the following: no real attacking plan, not working hard enough, not fit enough. All the manager's responsibility. He isn't up to the job.
Going 3down at home to a club below us in the league is a cause for concern not congratulation. 1 points out of 6 is poor given that we were at home. In the Sheffield Wed match we were unable to put enough men into the box to get any real pressure on them. Why? Any of the following: no real attacking plan, not working hard enough, not fit enough. All the manager's responsibility. He isn't up to the job. old man rover

11:26am Mon 30 Dec 13

benal13 says...

Tatts wrote:
Come on fellas, a bit of pragmatism is needed here.

We can't start the whole cycle of swapping and changing again. Yes, recent results have been disappointing but we're still not doing that badly and I'm sure we'll all agree that it's an improvement on this time last year.

I'm not having it that Bowyer is a bad manager. As a manager, he's won more games than he's lost and yet he's been managing for less than a year. Surely everyone can appreciate that learning a new job can take a bit of time. If he was a bad manager then we'd now be in the relegation zone. He's also had some difficult players to deal with ie Best and Campbell who weren't his signings and working for Venkys is obviously not easy.

Give the man a break! He's Blackburn Rovers through and through and deserves at least another year in charge.

Time and patience is required!
first of all campbell is his signing, and secondly hes notts forest through and through by his own addmission one out of three NOT GOOD ENOUGH same stats as bowyer
[quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: Come on fellas, a bit of pragmatism is needed here. We can't start the whole cycle of swapping and changing again. Yes, recent results have been disappointing but we're still not doing that badly and I'm sure we'll all agree that it's an improvement on this time last year. I'm not having it that Bowyer is a bad manager. As a manager, he's won more games than he's lost and yet he's been managing for less than a year. Surely everyone can appreciate that learning a new job can take a bit of time. If he was a bad manager then we'd now be in the relegation zone. He's also had some difficult players to deal with ie Best and Campbell who weren't his signings and working for Venkys is obviously not easy. Give the man a break! He's Blackburn Rovers through and through and deserves at least another year in charge. Time and patience is required![/p][/quote]first of all campbell is his signing, and secondly hes notts forest through and through by his own addmission one out of three NOT GOOD ENOUGH same stats as bowyer benal13

11:28am Mon 30 Dec 13

Stone Island: says...

benal13 wrote:
harwoodblue wrote:
juanbbien wrote:
So now he is praising us for a fighting display in the second half even though we still lost like its something to be proud of this lot are going nowhere,it's reported we are after some striker from Bradford now what does this indicate, ?
If its Nahki Wells we are linked with he would be a good signing, good young striker with a good goal to games ratio, already bagged 14 this season. Would prefer him in the team to Best, Campbell, Goodwillie.
but has he got a police record ,if not then he wouldnt fit in ???????
Yes he has: Message in a Bottle.
[quote][p][bold]benal13[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]harwoodblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]juanbbien[/bold] wrote: So now he is praising us for a fighting display in the second half even though we still lost like its something to be proud of this lot are going nowhere,it's reported we are after some striker from Bradford now what does this indicate, ?[/p][/quote]If its Nahki Wells we are linked with he would be a good signing, good young striker with a good goal to games ratio, already bagged 14 this season. Would prefer him in the team to Best, Campbell, Goodwillie.[/p][/quote]but has he got a police record ,if not then he wouldnt fit in ???????[/p][/quote]Yes he has: Message in a Bottle. Stone Island:

11:32am Mon 30 Dec 13

harwoodblue says...

benal13 wrote:
Tatts wrote: Come on fellas, a bit of pragmatism is needed here. We can't start the whole cycle of swapping and changing again. Yes, recent results have been disappointing but we're still not doing that badly and I'm sure we'll all agree that it's an improvement on this time last year. I'm not having it that Bowyer is a bad manager. As a manager, he's won more games than he's lost and yet he's been managing for less than a year. Surely everyone can appreciate that learning a new job can take a bit of time. If he was a bad manager then we'd now be in the relegation zone. He's also had some difficult players to deal with ie Best and Campbell who weren't his signings and working for Venkys is obviously not easy. Give the man a break! He's Blackburn Rovers through and through and deserves at least another year in charge. Time and patience is required!
first of all campbell is his signing, and secondly hes notts forest through and through by his own addmission one out of three NOT GOOD ENOUGH same stats as bowyer
The Campbell deal was already done as part of the loan agreement BEFORE Bowyer was appointed.
[quote][p][bold]benal13[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: Come on fellas, a bit of pragmatism is needed here. We can't start the whole cycle of swapping and changing again. Yes, recent results have been disappointing but we're still not doing that badly and I'm sure we'll all agree that it's an improvement on this time last year. I'm not having it that Bowyer is a bad manager. As a manager, he's won more games than he's lost and yet he's been managing for less than a year. Surely everyone can appreciate that learning a new job can take a bit of time. If he was a bad manager then we'd now be in the relegation zone. He's also had some difficult players to deal with ie Best and Campbell who weren't his signings and working for Venkys is obviously not easy. Give the man a break! He's Blackburn Rovers through and through and deserves at least another year in charge. Time and patience is required![/p][/quote]first of all campbell is his signing, and secondly hes notts forest through and through by his own addmission one out of three NOT GOOD ENOUGH same stats as bowyer[/p][/quote]The Campbell deal was already done as part of the loan agreement BEFORE Bowyer was appointed. harwoodblue

11:36am Mon 30 Dec 13

dangerous dave says...

Bowyer I cant believe your interview - 3-0 down at half time and might have been more - as I said before you cant influence/manage mates and friends which is the team you have built around yourself at Ewood 1 point out of 6 or 4 points out of 9 - simply not good enough and neither are you - Heading to Leeds will be interesting and am waiting with baited breath for the excuses that you will throw at us - sorry GB you sit with the rest of the Board as an example of an incompetence !!!
OUT WITH THE COWBOYS AND INDIANS
Bowyer I cant believe your interview - 3-0 down at half time and might have been more - as I said before you cant influence/manage mates and friends which is the team you have built around yourself at Ewood 1 point out of 6 or 4 points out of 9 - simply not good enough and neither are you - Heading to Leeds will be interesting and am waiting with baited breath for the excuses that you will throw at us - sorry GB you sit with the rest of the Board as an example of an incompetence !!! OUT WITH THE COWBOYS AND INDIANS dangerous dave

11:40am Mon 30 Dec 13

Mill Hill Mob says...

You're not mugging me off that easily wrote:
Venky's OUT Vincent Tan IN !!!
Clearly didn't get a life for Christmas again then - how sad.
[quote][p][bold]You're not mugging me off that easily[/bold] wrote: Venky's OUT Vincent Tan IN !!![/p][/quote]Clearly didn't get a life for Christmas again then - how sad. Mill Hill Mob

11:44am Mon 30 Dec 13

benal13 says...

harwoodblue wrote:
benal13 wrote:
Tatts wrote: Come on fellas, a bit of pragmatism is needed here. We can't start the whole cycle of swapping and changing again. Yes, recent results have been disappointing but we're still not doing that badly and I'm sure we'll all agree that it's an improvement on this time last year. I'm not having it that Bowyer is a bad manager. As a manager, he's won more games than he's lost and yet he's been managing for less than a year. Surely everyone can appreciate that learning a new job can take a bit of time. If he was a bad manager then we'd now be in the relegation zone. He's also had some difficult players to deal with ie Best and Campbell who weren't his signings and working for Venkys is obviously not easy. Give the man a break! He's Blackburn Rovers through and through and deserves at least another year in charge. Time and patience is required!
first of all campbell is his signing, and secondly hes notts forest through and through by his own addmission one out of three NOT GOOD ENOUGH same stats as bowyer
The Campbell deal was already done as part of the loan agreement BEFORE Bowyer was appointed.
WRONG !!!!
[quote][p][bold]harwoodblue[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]benal13[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: Come on fellas, a bit of pragmatism is needed here. We can't start the whole cycle of swapping and changing again. Yes, recent results have been disappointing but we're still not doing that badly and I'm sure we'll all agree that it's an improvement on this time last year. I'm not having it that Bowyer is a bad manager. As a manager, he's won more games than he's lost and yet he's been managing for less than a year. Surely everyone can appreciate that learning a new job can take a bit of time. If he was a bad manager then we'd now be in the relegation zone. He's also had some difficult players to deal with ie Best and Campbell who weren't his signings and working for Venkys is obviously not easy. Give the man a break! He's Blackburn Rovers through and through and deserves at least another year in charge. Time and patience is required![/p][/quote]first of all campbell is his signing, and secondly hes notts forest through and through by his own addmission one out of three NOT GOOD ENOUGH same stats as bowyer[/p][/quote]The Campbell deal was already done as part of the loan agreement BEFORE Bowyer was appointed.[/p][/quote]WRONG !!!! benal13

11:45am Mon 30 Dec 13

crankitup says...

the above bunley fans must have been up all night waiting for this story to be posted....you boys really need to get a life....

Gary..i can't for the life of me understand how you can be happy with ending the year with a defeat, i really can't, heaping praise on our players for going three nil down at half time and then coming out and thinking we must really try and give the fans something to cheer about.

the fact is Gary, we should have taken 6 points from two home games that were doable...teams that were below us and at home....come on!

yes both SWFC and BCFC may have been fighting for the lives, but are't we fighting to get out of this league....or do we not have the fight in us?

it's obvious to me and others that the players don't always respond to your style of play or instructions...this says to me they think of you as one of the lads instead of the boss, and that needs to change,
you need to stamp your authority on the team and stick to it...

any one of them that don't perform just leave them out of the team...it's your squad...you built it...you determine how and where they play....get it sorted.

any way you look at it mate, any way you try to put a shine on the games we were NOT good enough....we should have come out of the Sheffield game with three points....and we should have done the same against Birmingham, instead you're expecting us to be happy but i'm afraid a lot of us are't....well the happy clappers may be.

put all the spin on it you want Gary....you don't seem to be a manager that demands respect from our players....and a manager has to do that from the start.....time for a change?....i don't know, but something needs to change drastically mate....otherwise i see no other choice
the above bunley fans must have been up all night waiting for this story to be posted....you boys really need to get a life.... Gary..i can't for the life of me understand how you can be happy with ending the year with a defeat, i really can't, heaping praise on our players for going three nil down at half time and then coming out and thinking we must really try and give the fans something to cheer about. the fact is Gary, we should have taken 6 points from two home games that were doable...teams that were below us and at home....come on! yes both SWFC and BCFC may have been fighting for the lives, but are't we fighting to get out of this league....or do we not have the fight in us? it's obvious to me and others that the players don't always respond to your style of play or instructions...this says to me they think of you as one of the lads instead of the boss, and that needs to change, you need to stamp your authority on the team and stick to it... any one of them that don't perform just leave them out of the team...it's your squad...you built it...you determine how and where they play....get it sorted. any way you look at it mate, any way you try to put a shine on the games we were NOT good enough....we should have come out of the Sheffield game with three points....and we should have done the same against Birmingham, instead you're expecting us to be happy but i'm afraid a lot of us are't....well the happy clappers may be. put all the spin on it you want Gary....you don't seem to be a manager that demands respect from our players....and a manager has to do that from the start.....time for a change?....i don't know, but something needs to change drastically mate....otherwise i see no other choice crankitup

11:49am Mon 30 Dec 13

Wild Rover says...

General comment, ignoring the troll element, whats the worst case?
We dont get promotion? Well I for one can live with that
And it wont spell financial ruin either so lets not go there.
Nothing to lose by keeping calm and carrying on
Let's all be men about it eh?
When the going gets tough.....
General comment, ignoring the troll element, whats the worst case? We dont get promotion? Well I for one can live with that And it wont spell financial ruin either so lets not go there. Nothing to lose by keeping calm and carrying on Let's all be men about it eh? When the going gets tough..... Wild Rover

11:50am Mon 30 Dec 13

benal13 says...

old man rover wrote:
Going 3down at home to a club below us in the league is a cause for concern not congratulation. 1 points out of 6 is poor given that we were at home. In the Sheffield Wed match we were unable to put enough men into the box to get any real pressure on them. Why? Any of the following: no real attacking plan, not working hard enough, not fit enough. All the manager's responsibility. He isn't up to the job.
and i repeat, when he is sacked he wont get another job in managment !!!!
[quote][p][bold]old man rover[/bold] wrote: Going 3down at home to a club below us in the league is a cause for concern not congratulation. 1 points out of 6 is poor given that we were at home. In the Sheffield Wed match we were unable to put enough men into the box to get any real pressure on them. Why? Any of the following: no real attacking plan, not working hard enough, not fit enough. All the manager's responsibility. He isn't up to the job.[/p][/quote]and i repeat, when he is sacked he wont get another job in managment !!!! benal13

12:03pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Wild Rover says...

crankitup wrote:
the above bunley fans must have been up all night waiting for this story to be posted....you boys really need to get a life....

Gary..i can't for the life of me understand how you can be happy with ending the year with a defeat, i really can't, heaping praise on our players for going three nil down at half time and then coming out and thinking we must really try and give the fans something to cheer about.

the fact is Gary, we should have taken 6 points from two home games that were doable...teams that were below us and at home....come on!

yes both SWFC and BCFC may have been fighting for the lives, but are't we fighting to get out of this league....or do we not have the fight in us?

it's obvious to me and others that the players don't always respond to your style of play or instructions...this says to me they think of you as one of the lads instead of the boss, and that needs to change,
you need to stamp your authority on the team and stick to it...

any one of them that don't perform just leave them out of the team...it's your squad...you built it...you determine how and where they play....get it sorted.

any way you look at it mate, any way you try to put a shine on the games we were NOT good enough....we should have come out of the Sheffield game with three points....and we should have done the same against Birmingham, instead you're expecting us to be happy but i'm afraid a lot of us are't....well the happy clappers may be.

put all the spin on it you want Gary....you don't seem to be a manager that demands respect from our players....and a manager has to do that from the start.....time for a change?....i don't know, but something needs to change drastically mate....otherwise i see no other choice
I have to say that your comments while having an element of truth, are so far skewed to the extreme as to be worthless. That is not what he is saying, and he knows we have under performed. He is not matey with the players as you make out. Ask Jake Kean or King & Best etc
I also think your style of writing a fatherly chat to an errant son is deeply patronising and offensive to a man who is a mature football pro and who has worked extremely hard at Rovers for many years
The more succesful managers usually have one thing in common, time!
Martinez, Moyse, SAF etc
I also think your sign on name says it all about you, crank - wind...same meaning
[quote][p][bold]crankitup[/bold] wrote: the above bunley fans must have been up all night waiting for this story to be posted....you boys really need to get a life.... Gary..i can't for the life of me understand how you can be happy with ending the year with a defeat, i really can't, heaping praise on our players for going three nil down at half time and then coming out and thinking we must really try and give the fans something to cheer about. the fact is Gary, we should have taken 6 points from two home games that were doable...teams that were below us and at home....come on! yes both SWFC and BCFC may have been fighting for the lives, but are't we fighting to get out of this league....or do we not have the fight in us? it's obvious to me and others that the players don't always respond to your style of play or instructions...this says to me they think of you as one of the lads instead of the boss, and that needs to change, you need to stamp your authority on the team and stick to it... any one of them that don't perform just leave them out of the team...it's your squad...you built it...you determine how and where they play....get it sorted. any way you look at it mate, any way you try to put a shine on the games we were NOT good enough....we should have come out of the Sheffield game with three points....and we should have done the same against Birmingham, instead you're expecting us to be happy but i'm afraid a lot of us are't....well the happy clappers may be. put all the spin on it you want Gary....you don't seem to be a manager that demands respect from our players....and a manager has to do that from the start.....time for a change?....i don't know, but something needs to change drastically mate....otherwise i see no other choice[/p][/quote]I have to say that your comments while having an element of truth, are so far skewed to the extreme as to be worthless. That is not what he is saying, and he knows we have under performed. He is not matey with the players as you make out. Ask Jake Kean or King & Best etc I also think your style of writing a fatherly chat to an errant son is deeply patronising and offensive to a man who is a mature football pro and who has worked extremely hard at Rovers for many years The more succesful managers usually have one thing in common, time! Martinez, Moyse, SAF etc I also think your sign on name says it all about you, crank - wind...same meaning Wild Rover

12:03pm Mon 30 Dec 13

FakeVilla_MTCabinet says...

old man rover wrote:
Going 3down at home to a club below us in the league is a cause for concern not congratulation. 1 points out of 6 is poor given that we were at home. In the Sheffield Wed match we were unable to put enough men into the box to get any real pressure on them. Why? Any of the following: no real attacking plan, not working hard enough, not fit enough. All the manager's responsibility. He isn't up to the job.
So you sack someone else, pay more compo, end in more debt so have to sell more players? Thats you isn't it shaggy? C'mon own up. The shaggmeisters philosophy of football is written all over it. Get in more debt than iraq and have a revolving door fitted to the managers office.
Brilliant.
[quote][p][bold]old man rover[/bold] wrote: Going 3down at home to a club below us in the league is a cause for concern not congratulation. 1 points out of 6 is poor given that we were at home. In the Sheffield Wed match we were unable to put enough men into the box to get any real pressure on them. Why? Any of the following: no real attacking plan, not working hard enough, not fit enough. All the manager's responsibility. He isn't up to the job.[/p][/quote]So you sack someone else, pay more compo, end in more debt so have to sell more players? Thats you isn't it shaggy? C'mon own up. The shaggmeisters philosophy of football is written all over it. Get in more debt than iraq and have a revolving door fitted to the managers office. Brilliant. FakeVilla_MTCabinet

12:07pm Mon 30 Dec 13

benal13 says...

Wild Rover wrote:
General comment, ignoring the troll element, whats the worst case?
We dont get promotion? Well I for one can live with that
And it wont spell financial ruin either so lets not go there.
Nothing to lose by keeping calm and carrying on
Let's all be men about it eh?
When the going gets tough.....
you are the bigest troll on here day and night, if you dont agree with someone there trolls according to you, like i said befor get a job it might lift the bordom .REAL MEN SAY IT AS IT IS and what it is , bowyer is not the man for the job i rest my case, UNTIL YOU COME BACK WITH YOUR CLAPTRAP
[quote][p][bold]Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: General comment, ignoring the troll element, whats the worst case? We dont get promotion? Well I for one can live with that And it wont spell financial ruin either so lets not go there. Nothing to lose by keeping calm and carrying on Let's all be men about it eh? When the going gets tough.....[/p][/quote]you are the bigest troll on here day and night, if you dont agree with someone there trolls according to you, like i said befor get a job it might lift the bordom .REAL MEN SAY IT AS IT IS and what it is , bowyer is not the man for the job i rest my case, UNTIL YOU COME BACK WITH YOUR CLAPTRAP benal13

12:08pm Mon 30 Dec 13

French Rover says...

Ronaldpetercooper wrote:
Yes we must in our position look for positives but they were few and far between on sunday. This has left us with one point from two home games against teams well below us in the league. I agree with frenchie that we should not get on GB's back as he cannot be blamed for our position. He is after all learning the job as he goes and we just cannot afford for yet another managerial change. My criticism of GB is he talks too much and I prefer a more realistic approach.
Sadly we have too many same as players and are unable to bring on game changers with our substitutions.
I cannot agree with Frenchie when he says we have a better squad now than we have had for some time. There are possibly only three or four of the present team who would get into our squad of two or three yearsago.
However is right to say we have to accept where we are and settle for a position half way in this league whilst we do not forget that silly points dropped like the last two games will be costly. Come on GB decide your best team and get rid of those not good enough. At the same time sort out team spirit as sunday showed a few problems may be round the corner.
Hi RPC, I think you may not have got my point clearly about our current squad.

I diid not say that it was the best squad we had for some time - what I said is that this is the best squad that we can expect to have now in our current poor financial situation.

What we have is a decent mid table squad with a mix of players who will definitely keep us in this division - but - unless we get a little luck then they may not be good enough to reach the play-offs - and certainly not good enough to win promotion. We are not going to be signing any top class players for a long time and in fact we could actually find ourselves with a weaker squad if Rhodes goes and we dont sign Cairney during the Jan window.

But there are players like Etuhu and DJ who could leave in this window and I think most fans would welocme that, and for me I would keep Robinson as his experience could be invaluable later on in the season.

Happy New Year to you RPC..
[quote][p][bold]Ronaldpetercooper[/bold] wrote: Yes we must in our position look for positives but they were few and far between on sunday. This has left us with one point from two home games against teams well below us in the league. I agree with frenchie that we should not get on GB's back as he cannot be blamed for our position. He is after all learning the job as he goes and we just cannot afford for yet another managerial change. My criticism of GB is he talks too much and I prefer a more realistic approach. Sadly we have too many same as players and are unable to bring on game changers with our substitutions. I cannot agree with Frenchie when he says we have a better squad now than we have had for some time. There are possibly only three or four of the present team who would get into our squad of two or three yearsago. However is right to say we have to accept where we are and settle for a position half way in this league whilst we do not forget that silly points dropped like the last two games will be costly. Come on GB decide your best team and get rid of those not good enough. At the same time sort out team spirit as sunday showed a few problems may be round the corner.[/p][/quote]Hi RPC, I think you may not have got my point clearly about our current squad. I diid not say that it was the best squad we had for some time - what I said is that this is the best squad that we can expect to have now in our current poor financial situation. What we have is a decent mid table squad with a mix of players who will definitely keep us in this division - but - unless we get a little luck then they may not be good enough to reach the play-offs - and certainly not good enough to win promotion. We are not going to be signing any top class players for a long time and in fact we could actually find ourselves with a weaker squad if Rhodes goes and we dont sign Cairney during the Jan window. But there are players like Etuhu and DJ who could leave in this window and I think most fans would welocme that, and for me I would keep Robinson as his experience could be invaluable later on in the season. Happy New Year to you RPC.. French Rover

12:14pm Mon 30 Dec 13

bluerob says...

Gary , you are accepting these unnecessary defeats too easily, you need to start getting hard with some of these players. They earn big money and have a responsibility to deliver what they are being paid for.

I'm not asking for GB to be replaced but without doubt he has made some very poor team and tactical decisions this season, and his substitutions have bordered on farcical.

Who is running this team Gary ? , we had 2 free kicks in very good positions yesterday which were crying out for Cairney to take, instead we have Judge grabbing the ball and insisting he takes it which ends up in row Z. GB stood there with no reaction whatsoever , time to get tough Gary and let them know who is the boss and what is expected .
Gary , you are accepting these unnecessary defeats too easily, you need to start getting hard with some of these players. They earn big money and have a responsibility to deliver what they are being paid for. I'm not asking for GB to be replaced but without doubt he has made some very poor team and tactical decisions this season, and his substitutions have bordered on farcical. Who is running this team Gary ? , we had 2 free kicks in very good positions yesterday which were crying out for Cairney to take, instead we have Judge grabbing the ball and insisting he takes it which ends up in row Z. GB stood there with no reaction whatsoever , time to get tough Gary and let them know who is the boss and what is expected . bluerob

12:17pm Mon 30 Dec 13

mickth says...

Tatts wrote:
Come on fellas, a bit of pragmatism is needed here. We can't start the whole cycle of swapping and changing again. Yes, recent results have been disappointing but we're still not doing that badly and I'm sure we'll all agree that it's an improvement on this time last year. I'm not having it that Bowyer is a bad manager. As a manager, he's won more games than he's lost and yet he's been managing for less than a year. Surely everyone can appreciate that learning a new job can take a bit of time. If he was a bad manager then we'd now be in the relegation zone. He's also had some difficult players to deal with ie Best and Campbell who weren't his signings and working for Venkys is obviously not easy. Give the man a break! He's Blackburn Rovers through and through and deserves at least another year in charge. Time and patience is required!
First of all I don't believe there is any mileage in sacking Bowyer now, just another pay-off, more instability and we beome even more the laughing stock.

Basically we aren't going anywhere this season, anyone still thinking Play-Offs is seriously deluded, and we should just about scape enough points to survive.

But I am struggling to understand by what criteria its an improvement on last year.

We are worse off in terms of points than at this time last year and have played more games.

We still have an unproven maanger who on the evidence to date is as inept as the last few in terms of transfer dealings.

Our squad is weaker than it has been since the 1980s and there is every chance it will get worse in the transfer window.

We are getting ever closer to FFP with a ridculously overpaid squad. By my reckoning Robinson, Cambell, Best, Etuhu are probably 4 of our top 6 earners, probably cost about a million a year each and havent kicked a ball to any usefull effect in 12 months - no one is going to take them off our hands on their salaries - more expensive payouts on the way.

Depressing though it is, I fear things will stil get worse before they get better, all I am hoping for is a few more good days out like we had at Yeovil.
[quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: Come on fellas, a bit of pragmatism is needed here. We can't start the whole cycle of swapping and changing again. Yes, recent results have been disappointing but we're still not doing that badly and I'm sure we'll all agree that it's an improvement on this time last year. I'm not having it that Bowyer is a bad manager. As a manager, he's won more games than he's lost and yet he's been managing for less than a year. Surely everyone can appreciate that learning a new job can take a bit of time. If he was a bad manager then we'd now be in the relegation zone. He's also had some difficult players to deal with ie Best and Campbell who weren't his signings and working for Venkys is obviously not easy. Give the man a break! He's Blackburn Rovers through and through and deserves at least another year in charge. Time and patience is required![/p][/quote]First of all I don't believe there is any mileage in sacking Bowyer now, just another pay-off, more instability and we beome even more the laughing stock. Basically we aren't going anywhere this season, anyone still thinking Play-Offs is seriously deluded, and we should just about scape enough points to survive. But I am struggling to understand by what criteria its an improvement on last year. We are worse off in terms of points than at this time last year and have played more games. We still have an unproven maanger who on the evidence to date is as inept as the last few in terms of transfer dealings. Our squad is weaker than it has been since the 1980s and there is every chance it will get worse in the transfer window. We are getting ever closer to FFP with a ridculously overpaid squad. By my reckoning Robinson, Cambell, Best, Etuhu are probably 4 of our top 6 earners, probably cost about a million a year each and havent kicked a ball to any usefull effect in 12 months - no one is going to take them off our hands on their salaries - more expensive payouts on the way. Depressing though it is, I fear things will stil get worse before they get better, all I am hoping for is a few more good days out like we had at Yeovil. mickth

12:18pm Mon 30 Dec 13

bluerob says...

French Rover wrote:
Ronaldpetercooper wrote:
Yes we must in our position look for positives but they were few and far between on sunday. This has left us with one point from two home games against teams well below us in the league. I agree with frenchie that we should not get on GB's back as he cannot be blamed for our position. He is after all learning the job as he goes and we just cannot afford for yet another managerial change. My criticism of GB is he talks too much and I prefer a more realistic approach.
Sadly we have too many same as players and are unable to bring on game changers with our substitutions.
I cannot agree with Frenchie when he says we have a better squad now than we have had for some time. There are possibly only three or four of the present team who would get into our squad of two or three yearsago.
However is right to say we have to accept where we are and settle for a position half way in this league whilst we do not forget that silly points dropped like the last two games will be costly. Come on GB decide your best team and get rid of those not good enough. At the same time sort out team spirit as sunday showed a few problems may be round the corner.
Hi RPC, I think you may not have got my point clearly about our current squad.

I diid not say that it was the best squad we had for some time - what I said is that this is the best squad that we can expect to have now in our current poor financial situation.

What we have is a decent mid table squad with a mix of players who will definitely keep us in this division - but - unless we get a little luck then they may not be good enough to reach the play-offs - and certainly not good enough to win promotion. We are not going to be signing any top class players for a long time and in fact we could actually find ourselves with a weaker squad if Rhodes goes and we dont sign Cairney during the Jan window.

But there are players like Etuhu and DJ who could leave in this window and I think most fans would welocme that, and for me I would keep Robinson as his experience could be invaluable later on in the season.

Happy New Year to you RPC..
This squad is good enough to get promotion, we should already be in the top 6 and looking towards an automatic spot. You sound like Gary Boyer accepting defeat and looking for positives.
[quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronaldpetercooper[/bold] wrote: Yes we must in our position look for positives but they were few and far between on sunday. This has left us with one point from two home games against teams well below us in the league. I agree with frenchie that we should not get on GB's back as he cannot be blamed for our position. He is after all learning the job as he goes and we just cannot afford for yet another managerial change. My criticism of GB is he talks too much and I prefer a more realistic approach. Sadly we have too many same as players and are unable to bring on game changers with our substitutions. I cannot agree with Frenchie when he says we have a better squad now than we have had for some time. There are possibly only three or four of the present team who would get into our squad of two or three yearsago. However is right to say we have to accept where we are and settle for a position half way in this league whilst we do not forget that silly points dropped like the last two games will be costly. Come on GB decide your best team and get rid of those not good enough. At the same time sort out team spirit as sunday showed a few problems may be round the corner.[/p][/quote]Hi RPC, I think you may not have got my point clearly about our current squad. I diid not say that it was the best squad we had for some time - what I said is that this is the best squad that we can expect to have now in our current poor financial situation. What we have is a decent mid table squad with a mix of players who will definitely keep us in this division - but - unless we get a little luck then they may not be good enough to reach the play-offs - and certainly not good enough to win promotion. We are not going to be signing any top class players for a long time and in fact we could actually find ourselves with a weaker squad if Rhodes goes and we dont sign Cairney during the Jan window. But there are players like Etuhu and DJ who could leave in this window and I think most fans would welocme that, and for me I would keep Robinson as his experience could be invaluable later on in the season. Happy New Year to you RPC..[/p][/quote]This squad is good enough to get promotion, we should already be in the top 6 and looking towards an automatic spot. You sound like Gary Boyer accepting defeat and looking for positives. bluerob

12:32pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Tatts says...

mickth wrote:
Tatts wrote:
Come on fellas, a bit of pragmatism is needed here. We can't start the whole cycle of swapping and changing again. Yes, recent results have been disappointing but we're still not doing that badly and I'm sure we'll all agree that it's an improvement on this time last year. I'm not having it that Bowyer is a bad manager. As a manager, he's won more games than he's lost and yet he's been managing for less than a year. Surely everyone can appreciate that learning a new job can take a bit of time. If he was a bad manager then we'd now be in the relegation zone. He's also had some difficult players to deal with ie Best and Campbell who weren't his signings and working for Venkys is obviously not easy. Give the man a break! He's Blackburn Rovers through and through and deserves at least another year in charge. Time and patience is required!
First of all I don't believe there is any mileage in sacking Bowyer now, just another pay-off, more instability and we beome even more the laughing stock.

Basically we aren't going anywhere this season, anyone still thinking Play-Offs is seriously deluded, and we should just about scape enough points to survive.

But I am struggling to understand by what criteria its an improvement on last year.

We are worse off in terms of points than at this time last year and have played more games.

We still have an unproven maanger who on the evidence to date is as inept as the last few in terms of transfer dealings.

Our squad is weaker than it has been since the 1980s and there is every chance it will get worse in the transfer window.

We are getting ever closer to FFP with a ridculously overpaid squad. By my reckoning Robinson, Cambell, Best, Etuhu are probably 4 of our top 6 earners, probably cost about a million a year each and havent kicked a ball to any usefull effect in 12 months - no one is going to take them off our hands on their salaries - more expensive payouts on the way.

Depressing though it is, I fear things will stil get worse before they get better, all I am hoping for is a few more good days out like we had at Yeovil.
Have you forgotten that we nearly got relegated last season?

Wouldn't you rather have a team built on the likes of young players like Tom Cairney, Corry Evans, Chris Taylor, Josh King and Ben Marshall. Or would you prefer a team with the likes of Danny Murphy, Leon Best, Dickson Etuhu and Nuno Gomes, plus a few random Portugeezers thrown in?
[quote][p][bold]mickth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tatts[/bold] wrote: Come on fellas, a bit of pragmatism is needed here. We can't start the whole cycle of swapping and changing again. Yes, recent results have been disappointing but we're still not doing that badly and I'm sure we'll all agree that it's an improvement on this time last year. I'm not having it that Bowyer is a bad manager. As a manager, he's won more games than he's lost and yet he's been managing for less than a year. Surely everyone can appreciate that learning a new job can take a bit of time. If he was a bad manager then we'd now be in the relegation zone. He's also had some difficult players to deal with ie Best and Campbell who weren't his signings and working for Venkys is obviously not easy. Give the man a break! He's Blackburn Rovers through and through and deserves at least another year in charge. Time and patience is required![/p][/quote]First of all I don't believe there is any mileage in sacking Bowyer now, just another pay-off, more instability and we beome even more the laughing stock. Basically we aren't going anywhere this season, anyone still thinking Play-Offs is seriously deluded, and we should just about scape enough points to survive. But I am struggling to understand by what criteria its an improvement on last year. We are worse off in terms of points than at this time last year and have played more games. We still have an unproven maanger who on the evidence to date is as inept as the last few in terms of transfer dealings. Our squad is weaker than it has been since the 1980s and there is every chance it will get worse in the transfer window. We are getting ever closer to FFP with a ridculously overpaid squad. By my reckoning Robinson, Cambell, Best, Etuhu are probably 4 of our top 6 earners, probably cost about a million a year each and havent kicked a ball to any usefull effect in 12 months - no one is going to take them off our hands on their salaries - more expensive payouts on the way. Depressing though it is, I fear things will stil get worse before they get better, all I am hoping for is a few more good days out like we had at Yeovil.[/p][/quote]Have you forgotten that we nearly got relegated last season? Wouldn't you rather have a team built on the likes of young players like Tom Cairney, Corry Evans, Chris Taylor, Josh King and Ben Marshall. Or would you prefer a team with the likes of Danny Murphy, Leon Best, Dickson Etuhu and Nuno Gomes, plus a few random Portugeezers thrown in? Tatts

12:52pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Lancs - pensioner says...

benal13 wrote:
Lancs - pensioner wrote:
I actually enjoyed this game, I couldn't believe we where three down at half time, we had played really well but Birminghams finishing was very clinical, the second half was fantastic, did we win, no, did I think I got my money's worth, yes, I remember the home game against Charlton, we lost and I felt like I had been robbed, it was a very poor game. Football is an entertainment and although we lost I was entertained yesterday.
GB is still doing a fab job steadying the ship, some posts on here change daily depending on wether we win or loose, give the guy a chance, we have no right to just go up, it may be next year before the whole mess at Ewood Park is sorted out, we still need to ship out a lot of expensive deadwood and get clobbered by the FPL charges but whilst the owners still back us I'm just riding the very bumpy ride.
Enjoy it while it lasts, it can only go one of two ways, I'm on a "Glass half full" day today, Happy New Year, remember whilst your pushing Daisy's down and not up it's a great day.
NURSE hes rambling again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You leave my Nurse out of this!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]benal13[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lancs - pensioner[/bold] wrote: I actually enjoyed this game, I couldn't believe we where three down at half time, we had played really well but Birminghams finishing was very clinical, the second half was fantastic, did we win, no, did I think I got my money's worth, yes, I remember the home game against Charlton, we lost and I felt like I had been robbed, it was a very poor game. Football is an entertainment and although we lost I was entertained yesterday. GB is still doing a fab job steadying the ship, some posts on here change daily depending on wether we win or loose, give the guy a chance, we have no right to just go up, it may be next year before the whole mess at Ewood Park is sorted out, we still need to ship out a lot of expensive deadwood and get clobbered by the FPL charges but whilst the owners still back us I'm just riding the very bumpy ride. Enjoy it while it lasts, it can only go one of two ways, I'm on a "Glass half full" day today, Happy New Year, remember whilst your pushing Daisy's down and not up it's a great day.[/p][/quote]NURSE hes rambling again !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]You leave my Nurse out of this!!!!!!! Lancs - pensioner

1:22pm Mon 30 Dec 13

crankitup says...

Wild Rover wrote:
crankitup wrote:
the above bunley fans must have been up all night waiting for this story to be posted....you boys really need to get a life....

Gary..i can't for the life of me understand how you can be happy with ending the year with a defeat, i really can't, heaping praise on our players for going three nil down at half time and then coming out and thinking we must really try and give the fans something to cheer about.

the fact is Gary, we should have taken 6 points from two home games that were doable...teams that were below us and at home....come on!

yes both SWFC and BCFC may have been fighting for the lives, but are't we fighting to get out of this league....or do we not have the fight in us?

it's obvious to me and others that the players don't always respond to your style of play or instructions...this says to me they think of you as one of the lads instead of the boss, and that needs to change,
you need to stamp your authority on the team and stick to it...

any one of them that don't perform just leave them out of the team...it's your squad...you built it...you determine how and where they play....get it sorted.

any way you look at it mate, any way you try to put a shine on the games we were NOT good enough....we should have come out of the Sheffield game with three points....and we should have done the same against Birmingham, instead you're expecting us to be happy but i'm afraid a lot of us are't....well the happy clappers may be.

put all the spin on it you want Gary....you don't seem to be a manager that demands respect from our players....and a manager has to do that from the start.....time for a change?....i don't know, but something needs to change drastically mate....otherwise i see no other choice
I have to say that your comments while having an element of truth, are so far skewed to the extreme as to be worthless. That is not what he is saying, and he knows we have under performed. He is not matey with the players as you make out. Ask Jake Kean or King & Best etc
I also think your style of writing a fatherly chat to an errant son is deeply patronising and offensive to a man who is a mature football pro and who has worked extremely hard at Rovers for many years
The more succesful managers usually have one thing in common, time!
Martinez, Moyse, SAF etc
I also think your sign on name says it all about you, crank - wind...same meaning
ok WR....you are entitled to your opinion as am I, so what do you think the problem is?

he's been given time,
the fans got behind him.
he got the players he wanted.
the players have had time to gel.
he's been told by the chicken lot he doesn't have to sell JR.
and he himself keeps saying we have a quality squad.

so what in your opinion is the reason we only picked up one point out of a doable six

untamed, undomesticated,
[quote][p][bold]Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]crankitup[/bold] wrote: the above bunley fans must have been up all night waiting for this story to be posted....you boys really need to get a life.... Gary..i can't for the life of me understand how you can be happy with ending the year with a defeat, i really can't, heaping praise on our players for going three nil down at half time and then coming out and thinking we must really try and give the fans something to cheer about. the fact is Gary, we should have taken 6 points from two home games that were doable...teams that were below us and at home....come on! yes both SWFC and BCFC may have been fighting for the lives, but are't we fighting to get out of this league....or do we not have the fight in us? it's obvious to me and others that the players don't always respond to your style of play or instructions...this says to me they think of you as one of the lads instead of the boss, and that needs to change, you need to stamp your authority on the team and stick to it... any one of them that don't perform just leave them out of the team...it's your squad...you built it...you determine how and where they play....get it sorted. any way you look at it mate, any way you try to put a shine on the games we were NOT good enough....we should have come out of the Sheffield game with three points....and we should have done the same against Birmingham, instead you're expecting us to be happy but i'm afraid a lot of us are't....well the happy clappers may be. put all the spin on it you want Gary....you don't seem to be a manager that demands respect from our players....and a manager has to do that from the start.....time for a change?....i don't know, but something needs to change drastically mate....otherwise i see no other choice[/p][/quote]I have to say that your comments while having an element of truth, are so far skewed to the extreme as to be worthless. That is not what he is saying, and he knows we have under performed. He is not matey with the players as you make out. Ask Jake Kean or King & Best etc I also think your style of writing a fatherly chat to an errant son is deeply patronising and offensive to a man who is a mature football pro and who has worked extremely hard at Rovers for many years The more succesful managers usually have one thing in common, time! Martinez, Moyse, SAF etc I also think your sign on name says it all about you, crank - wind...same meaning[/p][/quote]ok WR....you are entitled to your opinion as am I, so what do you think the problem is? he's been given time, the fans got behind him. he got the players he wanted. the players have had time to gel. he's been told by the chicken lot he doesn't have to sell JR. and he himself keeps saying we have a quality squad. so what in your opinion is the reason we only picked up one point out of a doable six untamed, undomesticated, crankitup

1:24pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Wild Rover says...

benal13 wrote:
Wild Rover wrote:
General comment, ignoring the troll element, whats the worst case?
We dont get promotion? Well I for one can live with that
And it wont spell financial ruin either so lets not go there.
Nothing to lose by keeping calm and carrying on
Let's all be men about it eh?
When the going gets tough.....
you are the bigest troll on here day and night, if you dont agree with someone there trolls according to you, like i said befor get a job it might lift the bordom .REAL MEN SAY IT AS IT IS and what it is , bowyer is not the man for the job i rest my case, UNTIL YOU COME BACK WITH YOUR CLAPTRAP
But you are aTroll, you only post when we lose, you always post negative comments and never have any constructive input
You are therefore a troll, and a mean spirited offensive little twit
I rest my case
Now go and pull the legs of a spider or whatever it is that gets you thrill
Saddo..
[quote][p][bold]benal13[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: General comment, ignoring the troll element, whats the worst case? We dont get promotion? Well I for one can live with that And it wont spell financial ruin either so lets not go there. Nothing to lose by keeping calm and carrying on Let's all be men about it eh? When the going gets tough.....[/p][/quote]you are the bigest troll on here day and night, if you dont agree with someone there trolls according to you, like i said befor get a job it might lift the bordom .REAL MEN SAY IT AS IT IS and what it is , bowyer is not the man for the job i rest my case, UNTIL YOU COME BACK WITH YOUR CLAPTRAP[/p][/quote]But you are aTroll, you only post when we lose, you always post negative comments and never have any constructive input You are therefore a troll, and a mean spirited offensive little twit I rest my case Now go and pull the legs of a spider or whatever it is that gets you thrill Saddo.. Wild Rover

1:31pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Wild Rover says...

Oh and Benal, my comment was a general comment and the troll reference was aimed at the silly dingle comments mainly. I note how you jumped in with your spite showing, guilty conscience? I never mentioned you, so you must be a troll, case definitely rested
You're so thick your unbelievable!
Oh and Benal, my comment was a general comment and the troll reference was aimed at the silly dingle comments mainly. I note how you jumped in with your spite showing, guilty conscience? I never mentioned you, so you must be a troll, case definitely rested You're so thick your unbelievable! Wild Rover

1:43pm Mon 30 Dec 13

dangerous dave says...

quite a few 'you only sing when your winning' posters conspicuous by their absence - perhaps they are now seeing the light a little - absolute turmoil both on and off the field at Ewood . GB in cloud cuckoo land with his comments!!!
OUT WITH THE LOT OF THEM
quite a few 'you only sing when your winning' posters conspicuous by their absence - perhaps they are now seeing the light a little - absolute turmoil both on and off the field at Ewood . GB in cloud cuckoo land with his comments!!! OUT WITH THE LOT OF THEM dangerous dave

1:43pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Wild Rover says...

crankitup wrote:
Wild Rover wrote:
crankitup wrote:
the above bunley fans must have been up all night waiting for this story to be posted....you boys really need to get a life....

Gary..i can't for the life of me understand how you can be happy with ending the year with a defeat, i really can't, heaping praise on our players for going three nil down at half time and then coming out and thinking we must really try and give the fans something to cheer about.

the fact is Gary, we should have taken 6 points from two home games that were doable...teams that were below us and at home....come on!

yes both SWFC and BCFC may have been fighting for the lives, but are't we fighting to get out of this league....or do we not have the fight in us?

it's obvious to me and others that the players don't always respond to your style of play or instructions...this says to me they think of you as one of the lads instead of the boss, and that needs to change,
you need to stamp your authority on the team and stick to it...

any one of them that don't perform just leave them out of the team...it's your squad...you built it...you determine how and where they play....get it sorted.

any way you look at it mate, any way you try to put a shine on the games we were NOT good enough....we should have come out of the Sheffield game with three points....and we should have done the same against Birmingham, instead you're expecting us to be happy but i'm afraid a lot of us are't....well the happy clappers may be.

put all the spin on it you want Gary....you don't seem to be a manager that demands respect from our players....and a manager has to do that from the start.....time for a change?....i don't know, but something needs to change drastically mate....otherwise i see no other choice
I have to say that your comments while having an element of truth, are so far skewed to the extreme as to be worthless. That is not what he is saying, and he knows we have under performed. He is not matey with the players as you make out. Ask Jake Kean or King & Best etc
I also think your style of writing a fatherly chat to an errant son is deeply patronising and offensive to a man who is a mature football pro and who has worked extremely hard at Rovers for many years
The more succesful managers usually have one thing in common, time!
Martinez, Moyse, SAF etc
I also think your sign on name says it all about you, crank - wind...same meaning
ok WR....you are entitled to your opinion as am I, so what do you think the problem is?

he's been given time,
the fans got behind him.
he got the players he wanted.
the players have had time to gel.
he's been told by the chicken lot he doesn't have to sell JR.
and he himself keeps saying we have a quality squad.

so what in your opinion is the reason we only picked up one point out of a doable six

untamed, undomesticated,
Ok Crank, I dont think he got all the players he wanted, in or out. He got the best he could with one hand tied. I have been dubious about Marshall but he is starting to click now, MoM for me yesterday. Bad luck with injuries such as Evans who is a loss. The unherited players have not produced Best, Campbell, Etuhu etc.
Add in all the Venky related hubris and anyone would say he has done well so far.
Time, half a season to go, if we finish anywhere in the top half we will have done well. Any manager would need more than one season to sort our mess
[quote][p][bold]crankitup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]crankitup[/bold] wrote: the above bunley fans must have been up all night waiting for this story to be posted....you boys really need to get a life.... Gary..i can't for the life of me understand how you can be happy with ending the year with a defeat, i really can't, heaping praise on our players for going three nil down at half time and then coming out and thinking we must really try and give the fans something to cheer about. the fact is Gary, we should have taken 6 points from two home games that were doable...teams that were below us and at home....come on! yes both SWFC and BCFC may have been fighting for the lives, but are't we fighting to get out of this league....or do we not have the fight in us? it's obvious to me and others that the players don't always respond to your style of play or instructions...this says to me they think of you as one of the lads instead of the boss, and that needs to change, you need to stamp your authority on the team and stick to it... any one of them that don't perform just leave them out of the team...it's your squad...you built it...you determine how and where they play....get it sorted. any way you look at it mate, any way you try to put a shine on the games we were NOT good enough....we should have come out of the Sheffield game with three points....and we should have done the same against Birmingham, instead you're expecting us to be happy but i'm afraid a lot of us are't....well the happy clappers may be. put all the spin on it you want Gary....you don't seem to be a manager that demands respect from our players....and a manager has to do that from the start.....time for a change?....i don't know, but something needs to change drastically mate....otherwise i see no other choice[/p][/quote]I have to say that your comments while having an element of truth, are so far skewed to the extreme as to be worthless. That is not what he is saying, and he knows we have under performed. He is not matey with the players as you make out. Ask Jake Kean or King & Best etc I also think your style of writing a fatherly chat to an errant son is deeply patronising and offensive to a man who is a mature football pro and who has worked extremely hard at Rovers for many years The more succesful managers usually have one thing in common, time! Martinez, Moyse, SAF etc I also think your sign on name says it all about you, crank - wind...same meaning[/p][/quote]ok WR....you are entitled to your opinion as am I, so what do you think the problem is? he's been given time, the fans got behind him. he got the players he wanted. the players have had time to gel. he's been told by the chicken lot he doesn't have to sell JR. and he himself keeps saying we have a quality squad. so what in your opinion is the reason we only picked up one point out of a doable six untamed, undomesticated,[/p][/quote]Ok Crank, I dont think he got all the players he wanted, in or out. He got the best he could with one hand tied. I have been dubious about Marshall but he is starting to click now, MoM for me yesterday. Bad luck with injuries such as Evans who is a loss. The unherited players have not produced Best, Campbell, Etuhu etc. Add in all the Venky related hubris and anyone would say he has done well so far. Time, half a season to go, if we finish anywhere in the top half we will have done well. Any manager would need more than one season to sort our mess Wild Rover

2:04pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Is Eckersley playing? says...

Me? I find reading the comments on this site very entertaining. Doesn't cost owt - far more interesting than actually attending the ground it would seem. Nice and warm in my chair, safe in the knowledge that I am not giving the chicken pluckers a bean. I do believe, however, that some optimistic souls on here are going to be very disillusioned further down the line. I see one huge train crash coming.....Portsmout
h Mark 2, or similar, but I won't be disappointed. At least I'll have my club back in some shape or form. Meanwhie, folks, keep moving the deck chairs, I do believe the orchestra is starting to warm up........
Me? I find reading the comments on this site very entertaining. Doesn't cost owt - far more interesting than actually attending the ground it would seem. Nice and warm in my chair, safe in the knowledge that I am not giving the chicken pluckers a bean. I do believe, however, that some optimistic souls on here are going to be very disillusioned further down the line. I see one huge train crash coming.....Portsmout h Mark 2, or similar, but I won't be disappointed. At least I'll have my club back in some shape or form. Meanwhie, folks, keep moving the deck chairs, I do believe the orchestra is starting to warm up........ Is Eckersley playing?

2:10pm Mon 30 Dec 13

kfc yummy says...

FakeVilla_MTCabinet wrote:
Three hit and hopes in the first half sank us. I agree with bowyer on another day brum wouldn't have scored at all. Probably ending up in the river instead of the net. So we move on.
The time is about right for briggy braggy brew and the doomongers to come out demanding the return of shaggy. Bowyer is doing fine. Remember dyches first season in charge?. Too many headless chickens on here.
So your saying Burnley are doing well.
[quote][p][bold]FakeVilla_MTCabinet[/bold] wrote: Three hit and hopes in the first half sank us. I agree with bowyer on another day brum wouldn't have scored at all. Probably ending up in the river instead of the net. So we move on. The time is about right for briggy braggy brew and the doomongers to come out demanding the return of shaggy. Bowyer is doing fine. Remember dyches first season in charge?. Too many headless chickens on here.[/p][/quote]So your saying Burnley are doing well. kfc yummy

3:02pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Rover47 says...

Goalkeeping is becoming an increasingly worrying problem. On the evidence so far Kean and Eastwood are not long-term solutions and may be costly ‘custodians’ while they are here. The third goal against Birmingham was a disappointing elementary mistake.

Another puzzling aspect is that since Vince O’Keefe and Bobby Mimms left I have not seen a goalkeeper being coached on the training ground.

Unless Robbo makes a successful comeback – and that may not just be about ability, but more about Venky’s and his salary – then it seems to me we have a big problem at No 1.

I know he’s a bit older than Robbo, but I would have thought Shay Given, financial arrangements permitting, would have made an excellent loan signing from Aston Villa for the rest of this season – and then see how we moved on from there. He was happy at Ewood and I have no doubt he would have relished the challenge of trying to help his old club to promotion.

His loan club Middlesbrough have won their last three games against Burnley, Millwall and Reading and he has kept four clean sheets in seven matches.

Now, as I say, we are in an increasingly worrying situation that might – Robbo excepted – prove difficult to solve.
Goalkeeping is becoming an increasingly worrying problem. On the evidence so far Kean and Eastwood are not long-term solutions and may be costly ‘custodians’ while they are here. The third goal against Birmingham was a disappointing elementary mistake. Another puzzling aspect is that since Vince O’Keefe and Bobby Mimms left I have not seen a goalkeeper being coached on the training ground. Unless Robbo makes a successful comeback – and that may not just be about ability, but more about Venky’s and his salary – then it seems to me we have a big problem at No 1. I know he’s a bit older than Robbo, but I would have thought Shay Given, financial arrangements permitting, would have made an excellent loan signing from Aston Villa for the rest of this season – and then see how we moved on from there. He was happy at Ewood and I have no doubt he would have relished the challenge of trying to help his old club to promotion. His loan club Middlesbrough have won their last three games against Burnley, Millwall and Reading and he has kept four clean sheets in seven matches. Now, as I say, we are in an increasingly worrying situation that might – Robbo excepted – prove difficult to solve. Rover47

3:35pm Mon 30 Dec 13

French Rover says...

bluerob wrote:
French Rover wrote:
Ronaldpetercooper wrote:
Yes we must in our position look for positives but they were few and far between on sunday. This has left us with one point from two home games against teams well below us in the league. I agree with frenchie that we should not get on GB's back as he cannot be blamed for our position. He is after all learning the job as he goes and we just cannot afford for yet another managerial change. My criticism of GB is he talks too much and I prefer a more realistic approach.
Sadly we have too many same as players and are unable to bring on game changers with our substitutions.
I cannot agree with Frenchie when he says we have a better squad now than we have had for some time. There are possibly only three or four of the present team who would get into our squad of two or three yearsago.
However is right to say we have to accept where we are and settle for a position half way in this league whilst we do not forget that silly points dropped like the last two games will be costly. Come on GB decide your best team and get rid of those not good enough. At the same time sort out team spirit as sunday showed a few problems may be round the corner.
Hi RPC, I think you may not have got my point clearly about our current squad.

I diid not say that it was the best squad we had for some time - what I said is that this is the best squad that we can expect to have now in our current poor financial situation.

What we have is a decent mid table squad with a mix of players who will definitely keep us in this division - but - unless we get a little luck then they may not be good enough to reach the play-offs - and certainly not good enough to win promotion. We are not going to be signing any top class players for a long time and in fact we could actually find ourselves with a weaker squad if Rhodes goes and we dont sign Cairney during the Jan window.

But there are players like Etuhu and DJ who could leave in this window and I think most fans would welocme that, and for me I would keep Robinson as his experience could be invaluable later on in the season.

Happy New Year to you RPC..
This squad is good enough to get promotion, we should already be in the top 6 and looking towards an automatic spot. You sound like Gary Boyer accepting defeat and looking for positives.
I doubt very much that GB accepts defeat very lightly. You seem to be condeming hiim because he is sharing his thoughts on the match and making his very honest comments to the media. That is what I would expect from our manager.
And looking for positives is never a bad thing for anyone to do as you prove in your post - as your opinion that we should be looking for an automatic promootion spot is the best bit of `positivity` that I have read on here this week.

I kind of share that view too, especially as this lleague is poor this year, but darned reality keeps butting in and spoiling things....
[quote][p][bold]bluerob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronaldpetercooper[/bold] wrote: Yes we must in our position look for positives but they were few and far between on sunday. This has left us with one point from two home games against teams well below us in the league. I agree with frenchie that we should not get on GB's back as he cannot be blamed for our position. He is after all learning the job as he goes and we just cannot afford for yet another managerial change. My criticism of GB is he talks too much and I prefer a more realistic approach. Sadly we have too many same as players and are unable to bring on game changers with our substitutions. I cannot agree with Frenchie when he says we have a better squad now than we have had for some time. There are possibly only three or four of the present team who would get into our squad of two or three yearsago. However is right to say we have to accept where we are and settle for a position half way in this league whilst we do not forget that silly points dropped like the last two games will be costly. Come on GB decide your best team and get rid of those not good enough. At the same time sort out team spirit as sunday showed a few problems may be round the corner.[/p][/quote]Hi RPC, I think you may not have got my point clearly about our current squad. I diid not say that it was the best squad we had for some time - what I said is that this is the best squad that we can expect to have now in our current poor financial situation. What we have is a decent mid table squad with a mix of players who will definitely keep us in this division - but - unless we get a little luck then they may not be good enough to reach the play-offs - and certainly not good enough to win promotion. We are not going to be signing any top class players for a long time and in fact we could actually find ourselves with a weaker squad if Rhodes goes and we dont sign Cairney during the Jan window. But there are players like Etuhu and DJ who could leave in this window and I think most fans would welocme that, and for me I would keep Robinson as his experience could be invaluable later on in the season. Happy New Year to you RPC..[/p][/quote]This squad is good enough to get promotion, we should already be in the top 6 and looking towards an automatic spot. You sound like Gary Boyer accepting defeat and looking for positives.[/p][/quote]I doubt very much that GB accepts defeat very lightly. You seem to be condeming hiim because he is sharing his thoughts on the match and making his very honest comments to the media. That is what I would expect from our manager. And looking for positives is never a bad thing for anyone to do as you prove in your post - as your opinion that we should be looking for an automatic promootion spot is the best bit of `positivity` that I have read on here this week. I kind of share that view too, especially as this lleague is poor this year, but darned reality keeps butting in and spoiling things.... French Rover

3:39pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Ronaldpetercooper says...

French Rover wrote:
Ronaldpetercooper wrote: Yes we must in our position look for positives but they were few and far between on sunday. This has left us with one point from two home games against teams well below us in the league. I agree with frenchie that we should not get on GB's back as he cannot be blamed for our position. He is after all learning the job as he goes and we just cannot afford for yet another managerial change. My criticism of GB is he talks too much and I prefer a more realistic approach. Sadly we have too many same as players and are unable to bring on game changers with our substitutions. I cannot agree with Frenchie when he says we have a better squad now than we have had for some time. There are possibly only three or four of the present team who would get into our squad of two or three yearsago. However is right to say we have to accept where we are and settle for a position half way in this league whilst we do not forget that silly points dropped like the last two games will be costly. Come on GB decide your best team and get rid of those not good enough. At the same time sort out team spirit as sunday showed a few problems may be round the corner.
Hi RPC, I think you may not have got my point clearly about our current squad. I diid not say that it was the best squad we had for some time - what I said is that this is the best squad that we can expect to have now in our current poor financial situation. What we have is a decent mid table squad with a mix of players who will definitely keep us in this division - but - unless we get a little luck then they may not be good enough to reach the play-offs - and certainly not good enough to win promotion. We are not going to be signing any top class players for a long time and in fact we could actually find ourselves with a weaker squad if Rhodes goes and we dont sign Cairney during the Jan window. But there are players like Etuhu and DJ who could leave in this window and I think most fans would welocme that, and for me I would keep Robinson as his experience could be invaluable later on in the season. Happy New Year to you RPC..
Hi Frenchie I hope you have a super 2014 with all you wish for as I am sure youlike me wish for a solid period of calm at Ewood with perhaps a few wins thrown in.
Yes I am happy as long as we do not slip any further down the table and accept that safety is about all that is on the menu for this year. Personally I am not overly happy with the present squad and sadly am accepting that instead of the rubbish you mention leaving at least one or two of our better players will go. I think GB knows all this and is putting on a brave face but I do prefer him to level up and be a little more honest. I ama little worried about Leeds as I doubt we will get much out of them. Hope I am wrong.
Once again good luck and a happy new year and keep writing as you do cheer me up with your optimism even if your predictions are a little off.
[quote][p][bold]French Rover[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ronaldpetercooper[/bold] wrote: Yes we must in our position look for positives but they were few and far between on sunday. This has left us with one point from two home games against teams well below us in the league. I agree with frenchie that we should not get on GB's back as he cannot be blamed for our position. He is after all learning the job as he goes and we just cannot afford for yet another managerial change. My criticism of GB is he talks too much and I prefer a more realistic approach. Sadly we have too many same as players and are unable to bring on game changers with our substitutions. I cannot agree with Frenchie when he says we have a better squad now than we have had for some time. There are possibly only three or four of the present team who would get into our squad of two or three yearsago. However is right to say we have to accept where we are and settle for a position half way in this league whilst we do not forget that silly points dropped like the last two games will be costly. Come on GB decide your best team and get rid of those not good enough. At the same time sort out team spirit as sunday showed a few problems may be round the corner.[/p][/quote]Hi RPC, I think you may not have got my point clearly about our current squad. I diid not say that it was the best squad we had for some time - what I said is that this is the best squad that we can expect to have now in our current poor financial situation. What we have is a decent mid table squad with a mix of players who will definitely keep us in this division - but - unless we get a little luck then they may not be good enough to reach the play-offs - and certainly not good enough to win promotion. We are not going to be signing any top class players for a long time and in fact we could actually find ourselves with a weaker squad if Rhodes goes and we dont sign Cairney during the Jan window. But there are players like Etuhu and DJ who could leave in this window and I think most fans would welocme that, and for me I would keep Robinson as his experience could be invaluable later on in the season. Happy New Year to you RPC..[/p][/quote]Hi Frenchie I hope you have a super 2014 with all you wish for as I am sure youlike me wish for a solid period of calm at Ewood with perhaps a few wins thrown in. Yes I am happy as long as we do not slip any further down the table and accept that safety is about all that is on the menu for this year. Personally I am not overly happy with the present squad and sadly am accepting that instead of the rubbish you mention leaving at least one or two of our better players will go. I think GB knows all this and is putting on a brave face but I do prefer him to level up and be a little more honest. I ama little worried about Leeds as I doubt we will get much out of them. Hope I am wrong. Once again good luck and a happy new year and keep writing as you do cheer me up with your optimism even if your predictions are a little off. Ronaldpetercooper

5:02pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Wild Rover says...

Is Eckersley playing? wrote:
Me? I find reading the comments on this site very entertaining. Doesn't cost owt - far more interesting than actually attending the ground it would seem. Nice and warm in my chair, safe in the knowledge that I am not giving the chicken pluckers a bean. I do believe, however, that some optimistic souls on here are going to be very disillusioned further down the line. I see one huge train crash coming.....Portsmout

h Mark 2, or similar, but I won't be disappointed. At least I'll have my club back in some shape or form. Meanwhie, folks, keep moving the deck chairs, I do believe the orchestra is starting to warm up........
Disgraceful comment, stop pretending to be a fan. You are just a doom merchant. Your club?
I doubt it
[quote][p][bold]Is Eckersley playing?[/bold] wrote: Me? I find reading the comments on this site very entertaining. Doesn't cost owt - far more interesting than actually attending the ground it would seem. Nice and warm in my chair, safe in the knowledge that I am not giving the chicken pluckers a bean. I do believe, however, that some optimistic souls on here are going to be very disillusioned further down the line. I see one huge train crash coming.....Portsmout h Mark 2, or similar, but I won't be disappointed. At least I'll have my club back in some shape or form. Meanwhie, folks, keep moving the deck chairs, I do believe the orchestra is starting to warm up........[/p][/quote]Disgraceful comment, stop pretending to be a fan. You are just a doom merchant. Your club? I doubt it Wild Rover

5:13pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Wild Rover says...

dangerous dave wrote:
quite a few 'you only sing when your winning' posters conspicuous by their absence - perhaps they are now seeing the light a little - absolute turmoil both on and off the field at Ewood . GB in cloud cuckoo land with his comments!!!
OUT WITH THE LOT OF THEM
As opposed to you who only spouts when we are losing...
You are a waste of air Dingle Dave
[quote][p][bold]dangerous dave[/bold] wrote: quite a few 'you only sing when your winning' posters conspicuous by their absence - perhaps they are now seeing the light a little - absolute turmoil both on and off the field at Ewood . GB in cloud cuckoo land with his comments!!! OUT WITH THE LOT OF THEM[/p][/quote]As opposed to you who only spouts when we are losing... You are a waste of air Dingle Dave Wild Rover

7:26pm Mon 30 Dec 13

peely says...

Wild Rover wrote:
General comment, ignoring the troll element, whats the worst case?
We dont get promotion? Well I for one can live with that
And it wont spell financial ruin either so lets not go there.
Nothing to lose by keeping calm and carrying on
Let's all be men about it eh?
When the going gets tough.....
Surely worst cars scenario is relegation !? Distinct possibility , maybe unlikely but definitely a possibility !
[quote][p][bold]Wild Rover[/bold] wrote: General comment, ignoring the troll element, whats the worst case? We dont get promotion? Well I for one can live with that And it wont spell financial ruin either so lets not go there. Nothing to lose by keeping calm and carrying on Let's all be men about it eh? When the going gets tough.....[/p][/quote]Surely worst cars scenario is relegation !? Distinct possibility , maybe unlikely but definitely a possibility ! peely

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