Ewood Park clash is the big one for so many reasons

BLACKBURN Rovers legend Bryan Douglas and Burnley great Willie Irvine give their lowdown on Sunday's East Lancashire derby at Ewood Park.

What is your East Lancashire derby highlight?

Bryan: That is easy. It has to be the FA Cup quarter final in 1960, when we were trailing 3-0 to go with 20 minutes to go and we ended up taking them to a replay, which we won, and went on to reach the final. I scored a penalty in the first game to give us a chance.

Willie: I’ll never forget the FA Cup replay when a fan jumped on Adam Blacklaw’s back and he just simply threw him back into the crowd, but the game that sticks out for me was when we beat them on New Year’s Day at Ewood Park 1966 and I scored the first.

Gordon ‘Bomber’ Harris got the other. It was always a ‘bodies on the line’ type of game and this was no different.

What is your East Lancashire derby lowlight?

Bryan: When we were knocked out of the FA Cup by Burnley in 1959, losing 2-1 at Ewood Park.

Another low point was scoring the only own goal of my career against Burnley in October 1959 in front of the Darwen End. Luckily we won the game 3-2 anyway.

Willie: Earlier in that 1965/66 season we had been beaten 4-1 at home. We went out on a glorious Saturday afternoon and got hammered. That was sad.

Who will win tomorrow?

Bryan: I would like to think Rovers will have too much for them but I have to admit I’m not confident.

In the last match Burnley showed a bit more passion than we did and that has to change for the Ewood match. Hopefully some of our players have learnt their lesson.

Willie: Burnley’s away form has been okay, Blackburn’s home form hasn’t been too clever – but form goes out of the window on occasions like this. It’s usually all about who wants it most on the day, and I think it could be Burnley’s day. Plus it’s St Patrick’s Day, so that would be double cause for celebration for me.

Has the East Lancashire derby changed over the years?

Bryan: I think it is just important now as it was then to the supporters and to the towns but maybe it doesn’t mean as much to the players. There are less local lads involved now and that means they don’t really get it.

Willie: From a supporters’ point of view, no. The derby is still significant in everyone’s minds.

I just don’t think the players have the same kind of affinity with it as they used to because, as Bryan says, when we were involved a lot of the lads were homegrown or had come through the club’s ranks.

There wasn’t a hatred between us, but we HAD to beat them. Plus, in our day, the crowds mixed together and it was wonderful because it made for a great atmosphere, with no trouble. I wish it could go back to that.

Who will the key players be?

Bryan: It has to be the two strikers. Jordan Rhodes and Charlie Austin have both had fantastic seasons in front of goal, despite not getting as good a service as they would like.

Both players need their team mates to perform on the night but don’t be surprised to see one of these two being the hero.

Willie: A lot will revolve around the two strikers. Charlie has the ability to conjure a goal out of nothing and he can lift Burnley.

He missed a great chance at the end of Tuesday’s game, but if he gets the service he will be a big threat to the Rovers’ defence. Jordan Rhodes is pretty well up in the goal charts two, so it could come down to both strikers.

One of them is going to be a hero on Sunday. I hope it’s Charlie.

Where does the East Lancashire derby atmosphere rank in terms of your career?

Bryan: There was nothing better domestically. Forget the matches against Blackpool, Bolton or Preston, it was the Burnley games everyone looked forward to.

The atmosphere is incredible and you can tell how much both sets of supporters want to win the game.

Willie: I’ve played for my country, and there is nothing quite like walking out in front of the Northern Ireland fans when they are all in full voice, until it came to the Burnley verus Blackburn derby.

It was amazing – home and away – the atmosphere was top drawer.

A lot of players on both sides had grown up through the ranks and knew each other on and off the pitch.

You knew you were going to be in for a really tough game but one that you were going to enjoy.

Who is the best Burnley player you have ever played against?

Bryan: That is a tough question because Burnley had a great team back them. You look at the likes of John Connelly, Ray Pointer, Jimmy Adamson, Alex Elder, Adam Blacklaw, but I would have to say Jimmy McIlroy. What a player he was. I only ever saw his backside in games, he was such a silky player.

Willie: There were quite a few. I liked Peter Dobing as a striker, while Derek Dougan was a complete showman. He was one of the first players to shave his hair off too.

I played with him at international level, and what a gentleman he was. But the best, for me, had to be Bryan Douglas.

He was tremendous, a great player. Alex Elder knew he had a job on his hands when Dougie was playing. He was very tricky, and made all the goals for Rovers.

Who will finish higher in the league?

Bryan: I expect it to be very close but Rovers should just pip them.

If you look at the two squads, Rovers have spent more money and have got a bit more quality and so I expect them to get their act together. There won’t be a lot in it though.

Willie: At the risk of upsetting my fellow Burnley fans, I fear Blackburn will. I think they will come on strong as the season draws to a close, while ours will probably just peter out.

What is your East Lancashire Derby record?

Bryan: Sadly I lost more than I won and there was a run in the 1960s where we didn’t beat them in six games – and that included five defeats. I played in 17 derby matches, won six and lost seven. I scored four goals against them.

Willie: I’ve only ever been on the losing side once. Even when I went to Preston and then on to Brighton whenever I played against them I always seemed to score and be on the winning side.

What does the derby mean to Blackburn/Burnley?

Bryan: It means everything to the town. It always has done and it always will do. It means bragging rights, local pride and there will be many people not looking forward to work the next day if their team does not win.

The East Lancashire derby has something very special about it that people would not realise until they were involved in it themselves.

Willie: For the fans it’s the game of the season – it’s the only one they think about. It’s a big one for the players too.

Every Burnley fan wants that wait for a win to be over. They want the bragging rights so that they can go into work on Monday with a big smile on their face.

Comments(19)

hazy says...
7:55am Sun 17 Mar 13

just win at all costs rovers atre et labore

OnePostThenTheOther says...
8:30am Sun 17 Mar 13

We have enough quality in players such Dann, Hanley, Mn Olsson, Dunn, Jones, Best and Rhodes to see off a poor Burnley side on our own patch. If we get turned over today then Mr Appleton should walk.

owd nick says...
8:39am Sun 17 Mar 13

I suspect that today will be the final straw for me, not looking forward to it at all, in fact I am dreading it.

Anyone who has read my previous posts will know that I have supported all our managers through these dark days, yes even Kean early doors, and I still hope Appleton can pull it round for us.

But hope isn't confidence.

I hate Allardyce with a vengeance, but Appleton makes him look honest, witty, charming and a purveyor of free flowing football a la Barcelona in comparison, his lack of tactical awareness, his reliance on defence and "nicking a goal" (his words) simply will not work.

BECAUSE WE CAN'T DEFEND.

And to invite teams, even rubbish ones like Burnley to attack us for 90 minutes, well, there will only be one result.

Before Appleton arrived Rhodes was banging them in for fun, now he appears to have lost all confidence, who can blame him? He needs ball to run onto, or at his feet to do his job, my 15 year old daughter can see that, why can't Appleton?

I haven't seen the table but I believe we are 4th bottom, albeit with 2 games in hand.

If that is the case then Appleton needs to grow a pair and go for it today and the rest of the season for that matter, then if we loose then at least we will look like we tried our best and gave it every chance.

However, if he sticks to his current, and as far as we know only tactical system and we loose all hell will break out.

Because for me, someone who has supported my club through thick and thin for 43 years, that really will be the final straw.

vicn1956 says...
8:53am Sun 17 Mar 13

I see even Doctor Who is fed up. Wish he could take us in his tardis back to a time NOT so long ago when we were a club run by sensible knowledgeable football people. Could he persuade the Daleks in to sort these shysters out?
EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!

Sherwoodforest says...
9:05am Sun 17 Mar 13

3 points today is all that matters

I hope ALL supporters raise the roof

COYB

cf1pc4 says...
9:22am Sun 17 Mar 13

Hi guys...i'm abroad, do you know any links for a stream? COYB!!

hasslem hasslem says...
9:23am Sun 17 Mar 13

rovers players, coaches and manager.....if you can't do 'ewt else today......please, please, please - SHOW US YOU CARE!

this is massive for us today not just for oneupmanship but for league survival.

we are already in trouble but anything other than a win today means that we are in serious trouble

Wild Rover says...
9:51am Sun 17 Mar 13

My prediction for today, if Rovers lose there will be 200 posts on here calling for Appys head, if we win about 30 posts saying well done
Football wise, we will win as we do against the poor sides that visit Ewood
Mr Irvine is bit rosey in his memories though, yes the crowds mixed but I was at Ewood in '66 and there were some real battles on the terraces. I remember snooker balls being thrown by the Burnley fans, having been nicked from on of the pubs near Ewood. I was 12 then and got the cane at school for scrapping with a Burnley fan the week after...he lost

JPainter90 says...
9:52am Sun 17 Mar 13

Arte et Labore

Road Runner Road Runner says...
10:22am Sun 17 Mar 13

Look at that disgusting disgraceful fact in the Championship table !

Arte et labore

plymouthrover says...
10:43am Sun 17 Mar 13

Today is massive, the season is over and pride is all that is left to play for. The players have to put a shift in today and I'm not sure if they've got the bottle for it. In a way I'm glad we didn't get to Wembley, gutted for the fans, but Venky's would have loved the PR & it would've been all about them. Good luck today Rovers, you'll need it. Just an honest opinion.

greenscreener says...
10:45am Sun 17 Mar 13

Have to be honest here, Rovers have been shambolic all season. If the dingles can't beat us now, they never, ever will.

I'm off to Ewood today as I'm following my heart, not my head. I will be 100% behind my team although
it seems like I'm working harder than some of them at times.

COYB, RTID, FOB.

J.C - Rishton says...
10:54am Sun 17 Mar 13

cf1pc4 wrote:
Hi guys...i'm abroad, do you know any links for a stream? COYB!!
try www.footballstreamin
g.info - I usually find it the best site to watch a game free over the internet.

At the moment they havent got it listed but they don't seem to have listed any UK football for today yet - leave it until nearer the time before going on the site then click on "live streams and feedback" in the upper right corner and this will take you through to the games which have streams.

dangerous dave says...
11:08am Sun 17 Mar 13

owd nick wrote:
I suspect that today will be the final straw for me, not looking forward to it at all, in fact I am dreading it.

Anyone who has read my previous posts will know that I have supported all our managers through these dark days, yes even Kean early doors, and I still hope Appleton can pull it round for us.

But hope isn't confidence.

I hate Allardyce with a vengeance, but Appleton makes him look honest, witty, charming and a purveyor of free flowing football a la Barcelona in comparison, his lack of tactical awareness, his reliance on defence and "nicking a goal" (his words) simply will not work.

BECAUSE WE CAN'T DEFEND.

And to invite teams, even rubbish ones like Burnley to attack us for 90 minutes, well, there will only be one result.

Before Appleton arrived Rhodes was banging them in for fun, now he appears to have lost all confidence, who can blame him? He needs ball to run onto, or at his feet to do his job, my 15 year old daughter can see that, why can't Appleton?

I haven't seen the table but I believe we are 4th bottom, albeit with 2 games in hand.

If that is the case then Appleton needs to grow a pair and go for it today and the rest of the season for that matter, then if we loose then at least we will look like we tried our best and gave it every chance.

However, if he sticks to his current, and as far as we know only tactical system and we loose all hell will break out.

Because for me, someone who has supported my club through thick and thin for 43 years, that really will be the final straw.
We dont always see eye to eye but similar to you have supported Rovers for 61 years until I recently made a stance not to visit Ewood Park whilst the current regime is in charge and I wont change my mind on this!! But agree with your posted comments - just hope we get 3 points but its going to be difficult!!
OUT WITH THE LOT OF THEM

J.C - Rishton says...
11:13am Sun 17 Mar 13

Wild Rover wrote:
My prediction for today, if Rovers lose there will be 200 posts on here calling for Appys head, if we win about 30 posts saying well done
Football wise, we will win as we do against the poor sides that visit Ewood
Mr Irvine is bit rosey in his memories though, yes the crowds mixed but I was at Ewood in '66 and there were some real battles on the terraces. I remember snooker balls being thrown by the Burnley fans, having been nicked from on of the pubs near Ewood. I was 12 then and got the cane at school for scrapping with a Burnley fan the week after...he lost
I think you'll find that win or lose there will be plenty of posts tonight - although I know what you mean.

However I'm not sure what you mean when you say "we will win as we do against poor sides" - last 2 home games have been against Millwall and Peterborough - have we slumped so low that we now don't consider these 2 sides as "poor" - Peterborough were bottom of the league when they beat us recently at Ewood.

I admire your positivity but its no use slagging off people who you percieve (sometimes correctly) to be "negative" - the people who you should be blaming are the owners - not the fans.

Its our terrible owners that have given us 2 years of utter misery - not the fans.

Lose today and we are in a relegation battle IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP !!

I think Dr Who, this week, summed up perfectly how most fans feel about the current situation - totally gut wrenching and embarassing!!

I wanted Billy Davies (as I posted many times on this site) and he is showing what a good "experienced" manager can do (7 straight wins at Forrest), however we have gone with MA (scored in only 1 of our last 7 games and bottom of the league form tables). He is saying he is not "worried about our current slump" - I remember Berg saying a similar thing - just before Venkys sacked him !!

We have some good attacking players but if we spend 90 mins trying to defend then (to me) it is self evident that you are not going to get the best out of your attacking players (6 blanks out of last 7 games is testimony to this) - I just hope MA learns this quickly as we all want him to turn things around, starting today !

Come on you blues - give us someing to smile about !! - its been 2 years of misery and everyone connected to BRFC OWES us, the long suffering fans a result today

Donmartin says...
11:31am Sun 17 Mar 13

Win or Lose.....Appleton has to go along with the rest of the mediocre, self interested no-marks currently involved.

How long that takes is irrelevant.......we want our club back.

COYB.

Arte et Labore
chim chim cheroo

noddy57 says...
4:43pm Sun 17 Mar 13

we need a complete clear out and lm not just talking about shaw and appleton, when you look back at todays game, apart from dunny the rest were garbage, its unfortunate that the Venkys are the current owners but the problems go right from the top to the bottom and unless we come across a very wealthy rovers fan like the late great jack walker then we will not get back to the days of old well run Ewood park,l fear we will drop even further down the trough,,

noddy57 says...
4:58pm Sun 17 Mar 13

we need a complete clear out and lm not just talking about shaw and appleton, when you look back at todays game, apart from dunny the rest were garbage, its unfortunate that the Venkys are the current owners but the problems go right from the top to the bottom and unless we come across a very wealthy rovers fan like the late great jack walker then we will not get back to the days of old well run Ewood park,l fear we will drop even further down the trough,,

Fortyfourer says...
12:25am Mon 18 Mar 13

Well said Bryan and Willie. If only we had a few like the two of you today.

Oh, and Bryan, I was at Turf Moor for that 1960s match and of all the Rovers games I've seen over the years it's the one that stands out most in my memory. Truly magnificent. How about getting down to Ewood Park and telling them what being a BLACKBURN ROVER is really all about?

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