Appleton praises defeated Rovers (From This Is Lancashire)

blazerafe wrote:
I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.

goldfinger59 wrote:
We were unlucky tonight and hit the bar twice and were a whisker away with two shots, Bolton never looked like scoring, all their shots were either way off target or weak shots at our goalie, they just got the bit of luck that we were missing.

JPB wrote:

blazerafe wrote:
I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.

distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.

blazerafe wrote:

JPB wrote:

blazerafe wrote:
I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.

distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.

Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.

blazerafe wrote:

JPB wrote:

blazerafe wrote:
I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.

distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.

Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.

BlueSkies wrote:

blazerafe wrote:

JPB wrote:

blazerafe wrote:
I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.

distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.

Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.

Do you actually go to a game or simply look at statistics?

blazerafe wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:

blazerafe wrote:

JPB wrote:

blazerafe wrote:
I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.

distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.

Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.

Do you actually go to a game or simply look at statistics?

I do both, whats the problem? statistics dont lie.

JPB wrote:

blazerafe wrote:

JPB wrote:

blazerafe wrote:
I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.

distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.

Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.

millwall inform? about 3 months back maybe. as for wolves, i`d rather be in rovers position than theirs..

blazerafe wrote:

JPB wrote:

blazerafe wrote:

JPB wrote:

blazerafe wrote:
I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.

distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.

Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.

millwall inform? about 3 months back maybe. as for wolves, i`d rather be in rovers position than theirs..

There position is our position there is 6 points between us and them with some insanely tough games to go. Alright maybe inform was an understatement but they have still picked up more points than we have in our last 5 games.

blazerafe wrote:

blazerafe wrote:

JPB wrote:

blazerafe wrote:

JPB wrote:

blazerafe wrote:
I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.

distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.

Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.

millwall inform? about 3 months back maybe. as for wolves, i`d rather be in rovers position than theirs..

There position is our position there is 6 points between us and them with some insanely tough games to go. Alright maybe inform was an understatement but they have still picked up more points than we have in our last 5 games.

Overstatement*

JPB wrote:
i`d just say get behind the manager and stay there. i for one believe in his approach to being a successful manager. a kamikaze approach does not work.

peely wrote:
"I really thought we could nick it " just about sums this manager up ! He,s a loser, a bore draw specialist, and he,s bald !
Taxi for Appy !

BlueSkies wrote:

blazerafe wrote:

blazerafe wrote:

JPB wrote:

blazerafe wrote:

JPB wrote:

blazerafe wrote:
I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.

distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.

Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.

millwall inform? about 3 months back maybe. as for wolves, i`d rather be in rovers position than theirs..

There position is our position there is 6 points between us and them with some insanely tough games to go. Alright maybe inform was an understatement but they have still picked up more points than we have in our last 5 games.

Overstatement*

No No No..

It's RUinsane back again or a clone!

Bye bye

blazerafe wrote:

JPB wrote:
i`d just say get behind the manager and stay there. i for one believe in his approach to being a successful manager. a kamikaze approach does not work.

I know where your coming from but Bowyer didnt need a kamikaze approach to get results, he had the players support and they were obviously comfortable in the way they were playing. Arsenal obviously inflated their ego's a little and over the past few games reality has smashed down on certain players hard, but do we really have to accept a 1-0 loss to one of our closest rivals as an improvement? that's all i am really trying to say.

JPB wrote:

blazerafe wrote:

JPB wrote:
i`d just say get behind the manager and stay there. i for one believe in his approach to being a successful manager. a kamikaze approach does not work.

I know where your coming from but Bowyer didnt need a kamikaze approach to get results, he had the players support and they were obviously comfortable in the way they were playing. Arsenal obviously inflated their ego's a little and over the past few games reality has smashed down on certain players hard, but do we really have to accept a 1-0 loss to one of our closest rivals as an improvement? that's all i am really trying to say.

there was nothing to suggest that results were going to continue in a positive vein under bowyer, his last game v wolves was as poor a display as any this season. you seem to be not accepting the fact that we have to rebuild the team before we will have the ability to challenge for promotion again. too many are either not good enough, or no longer have the desire to be successful at blackburn rovers. appleton has to have the chance to make it his team out there on the field.

johnny rover wrote:
With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats.

Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom.

So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom.

As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league.

JPB wrote:

johnny rover wrote:
With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats.

Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom.

So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom.

As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league.

if you really thought kean would have had us top of the league right now, your deluded. rovers was always a rebuilding job from the moment that man was allowed to fill our squad with the substandard tat that he did over his near 2 years in charge.

passingfootball wrote:
we have to be grateful for those 14 points in the first 6 games of the season, which are just about keeping rovers out of the relegation zone, otherwise rovers would be below bristol city by now, currently bottom with 36 points

appleton and bergs 20 games in charge makes a harrowing reading, 11 defeats in total, only 3 wins to show for all their efforts, points wise a dismal return 15 points from 60 (6 for berg and 9 for apple), if rovers hadnt splashed out on rhodes you cant even begin to imagine what dire mess they would have been in

english rose 1 wrote:
Unfortunately you are deluded johnny rover. The ONLY game we deserved to win under Kean was Bristol C (A).
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His buys, apart from Rhodes & Yakubu were dreadful. His statements bizarre, his attitude terrible, and a proven speaker of untruths not to mention his criminal conviction. And he alienated most of our better players, prompting them to leave.
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Remember his comments about how teams would be 'afraid' of our teamsheet ? What a load of bull.
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The fact is that Kean left us in a dreadful state. Appleton needs time to form a competitive squad, - and that won't be this season.
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blazerafe wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:

blazerafe wrote:

JPB wrote:

blazerafe wrote: I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.

distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.

Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.

Do you actually go to a game or simply look at statistics?

I do both, whats the problem? statistics dont lie.

johnny rover wrote:

english rose 1 wrote: Unfortunately you are deluded johnny rover. The ONLY game we deserved to win under Kean was Bristol C (A). * His buys, apart from Rhodes & Yakubu were dreadful. His statements bizarre, his attitude terrible, and a proven speaker of untruths not to mention his criminal conviction. And he alienated most of our better players, prompting them to leave. * Remember his comments about how teams would be 'afraid' of our teamsheet ? What a load of bull. * The fact is that Kean left us in a dreadful state. Appleton needs time to form a competitive squad, - and that won't be this season. *

The stats show that Kean and his "dreadful buys" was likely to get us up to the premier league. And Bowyer, and possibly Black. I don't care how lucky he was with his results or how poor his attitude was, I would prefer to be in that position than where we are now - heading for a relegation battle (maybe not even a battle, could be a nosedive). I'd give Appleton one last chance against Milwall in the cup. If we lose that, get shot of him and put GB back in charge until the end of the season. And what kind of attitude is it to give a half-time team talk at Leicester saying "go out and make sure you don't lose by 4 or 5"!

johnny rover wrote:
With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats.

Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom.

So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom.

As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league.

blazerafe wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:

blazerafe wrote:

JPB wrote:

blazerafe wrote:
I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.

distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.

Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.

Do you actually go to a game or simply look at statistics?

I do both, whats the problem? statistics dont lie.

wozer1967 wrote:
lets face it guys our season is now fizzling out but at least we have some stability at last , time for a clear out at the end of the season as we want players who dont think this league is beneath them so get rid of the big time charlies but this goes for ALL OF YOU out there GET BEHIND THE MANAGER!! & hopefully we can have a proper crack at things next season so stop all this neagative stuff for gods sake its alright for you lot im a Rovers fan living in Burnley & im still positive!! lol

J.C - Rishton wrote:

johnny rover wrote:
With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats.

Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom.

So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom.

As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league.

So this is how far we've fallen ? - fans pining for the good old days under Steve Kean ???

Unbeleivable !!!

Kean was manager for 7 games this season yet you quote that we would have carried on winning at the same % all through the season if he'd have stayed - 7 games is far too few - I think we did well early in the season because teams came to Ewood thinking a point would be a good result and played for it.
Once they'd realised people like DM were crap and they could boss the midfield then now teams have no fear of Rovers.

Steve Kean is a MORON - and everyone in the football world knows it - disagree - well how come he hasnt been linked to a single job since leaving Rovers - not even the Scotland job unlike every other unemployed Scottish manager, no matter how incompetant.

Kean's buys were an unmitigated disaster !!! - he has lost this club around £25m in transfer dealings in the 18 months he was in charge - some achievement (you've probably lost count of the £2-4m players he bought that were so bad we've had to GIVE them all away for nothing.

The only decent player he bought was Yakubu (Rhodes was a SS purchase - the only decent thing that moron has done for the club).

And his man management ?? - he fell out with virtually every senior rovers player - sometimes more than once - why ? - cos they all knew he was as mad as a box of frogs.

The club is in a "death spiral" and has been very since Venkys took over- and as for "re-building in the summer" ???

Who would want Murphy, Etuhu (both SK signings) on £35K a week, Robinson, Givet, Pederson, Gomes (2 yr deal on £30K per week - another Steve Kean waste of money) etc etc.

Venkys are killing this club - yes the "happy clappers" will call me a "doom-monger" and will tell us we are only "90 mins from wembly" etc etc but 99% of us know that this club dies a little bit more, every day that Venkys own it.

My one hope this season is that we don't lose to the Dingles next week and we can finish above them (although if we keep losing matches we will be in a relegation fight before the end of the season as the bottom clubs keep picking up points)- this is how far we have fallen under our wonderful owners !

bburnrover wrote:
Well we are more organisised better in midfield but lack that killer pass and decent wing play to create chances up front.

We will see next season what he he is like as a manager when he has his own team in.The fact is we seem to have been done in the final seconds on numerous occasions this season so we need to get fitter and concentrate right up to the whistle.

CasBRFC wrote:

blazerafe wrote:

BlueSkies wrote:

blazerafe wrote:

JPB wrote:

blazerafe wrote:
I disagree with you. they created 19 or so shots by the end of the night to our 6. the team that have lavished 1 or 2 points above the relegation zone for most of the season. Play for a draw and get a loss, well done.

distort the facts why don`t you? bolton had 19 shots on goal, yes, but only 10 on target, to our own 7 shots on target, which is pretty decent for an away team.

Sorry to our 9 and 7 on target, not very distorted though was it now? Still poor, you don't score goals if you don't make chances now do you?. It was not decent, Wolves one of the worst teams in the Championship had 2 shots and scored both against an inform Millwall team, although with most of our efforts coming from Hanley, Lowe and Pedersen expecting a goal was asking too much.

Do you actually go to a game or simply look at statistics?

I do both, whats the problem? statistics dont lie.

give it a rest blazefare you think statistics give a true reflection! On that basis you are saying we are better than arsenal because the statistics in the paper said 1 0. Yes

trevhd wrote:
Some bad losers,I have heard some fans ? were singing Fabrice Muamba should be dead if this is correct these fans ? should be banned from the games as it is a disgraceful thing to do.

MattNewcastle wrote:
I am livid, angry and sad.

Shaw Agnew and Coar - Hang your heads in shame.

Appleton is gormless and along with all his side kicks utterly useless. His comments tonight are astounding..

Facts and Realistic:
1 - We could have been beaten by 4 or more tonight, did no one see the goal line clearance off the line second half, numerous shots of theirs that went close. Sorry but our chances were no where near as clear cut as theirs.
2 - We were up against it all night Hanley again being the most worked player on the field just like all other games recently - Does that not tell you something.
3 - Appleton's inertia as a manager on the touchline is appalling.
4 - Moore his side kicks body language, slouched in his seat with his beanie and Puffa jacket on offering no support to Appleton is a disgrace - Compared to Freedman and his backroom staff we were totally outclassed.
5 - They bring on a centre forward and winger, two fresh pairs of legs, to run at our tired beleaguered defenders (who had had to defend for the best part of the match for we were being overun) and the clown stands there arms folded or in his pockets and does absolutely nothing to counter act it.
6 - Campbell and Rhodes cannot hold the ball up and are hardly tall up against Dawson and the tallest centre back in the championship and what do we do but hoof it up to them all night. They must have had the easiest night for a long time.
7 - Surprise surprise we end up defending all night because the ball comes back onto our back four time and time again.
8 - Best should have been on after 20 minutes for it was clear for all to see that Rhodes and Campbell were going to get nowhere.
9 - As soon as Bolton made their changes we should have taken Rhodes off left Best on and put Givet in front of Dann and Hanley to relieve the pressure and counter their two changes to at least secure a draw.
10 - Have we now also become the most flimsy Rovers side ever. You could push Rhodes, Henley, Olsson, Pederson, Stewart, Campbell over with your little finger - It was truly like watching Men v Boys. They have no Physical presence at all. Every side in the championship must be quaking in their boots playing us!!!
11 - Both our flanks tonight were overrun and ineffective in getting behind the Bolton defence.

I utterly despair and would not let Appleton spend another penny.

I am more than happy to be in a minority of one.

And I will not change my mind until a good, solid, intelligent, tactically astute, charismatic (ok the first 4 qualities will do) manager is put in charge of our wonderful club.

Angry From Accrington wrote:

MattNewcastle wrote:
I am livid, angry and sad.

Shaw Agnew and Coar - Hang your heads in shame.

Appleton is gormless and along with all his side kicks utterly useless. His comments tonight are astounding..

Facts and Realistic:
1 - We could have been beaten by 4 or more tonight, did no one see the goal line clearance off the line second half, numerous shots of theirs that went close. Sorry but our chances were no where near as clear cut as theirs.
2 - We were up against it all night Hanley again being the most worked player on the field just like all other games recently - Does that not tell you something.
3 - Appleton's inertia as a manager on the touchline is appalling.
4 - Moore his side kicks body language, slouched in his seat with his beanie and Puffa jacket on offering no support to Appleton is a disgrace - Compared to Freedman and his backroom staff we were totally outclassed.
5 - They bring on a centre forward and winger, two fresh pairs of legs, to run at our tired beleaguered defenders (who had had to defend for the best part of the match for we were being overun) and the clown stands there arms folded or in his pockets and does absolutely nothing to counter act it.
6 - Campbell and Rhodes cannot hold the ball up and are hardly tall up against Dawson and the tallest centre back in the championship and what do we do but hoof it up to them all night. They must have had the easiest night for a long time.
7 - Surprise surprise we end up defending all night because the ball comes back onto our back four time and time again.
8 - Best should have been on after 20 minutes for it was clear for all to see that Rhodes and Campbell were going to get nowhere.
9 - As soon as Bolton made their changes we should have taken Rhodes off left Best on and put Givet in front of Dann and Hanley to relieve the pressure and counter their two changes to at least secure a draw.
10 - Have we now also become the most flimsy Rovers side ever. You could push Rhodes, Henley, Olsson, Pederson, Stewart, Campbell over with your little finger - It was truly like watching Men v Boys. They have no Physical presence at all. Every side in the championship must be quaking in their boots playing us!!!
11 - Both our flanks tonight were overrun and ineffective in getting behind the Bolton defence.

I utterly despair and would not let Appleton spend another penny.

I am more than happy to be in a minority of one.

And I will not change my mind until a good, solid, intelligent, tactically astute, charismatic (ok the first 4 qualities will do) manager is put in charge of our wonderful club.

You are in a minority of at least three and probably thousands more if they had the balls to admit that they were wrong to force Kean out. Appleton is completely out of his depth, has offloaded quality creative players and replaced them with Sunday League cloggers. Bring back Rochina, Formica, Vucevij, Rosado ,Nunes and convince Boater that he is the man to manage this club. APPLETON OUT!

goldfinger59 wrote:
We were unlucky tonight and hit the bar twice and were a whisker away with two shots, Bolton never looked like scoring, all their shots were either way off target or weak shots at our goalie, they just got the bit of luck that we were missing.

trevhd wrote:
Some bad losers,I have heard some fans ? were singing Fabrice Muamba should be dead if this is correct these fans ? should be banned from the games as it is a disgraceful thing to do.

dangerous dave wrote:
All talk Mr Appleton just lıke Shaw Agnew Venkys & Co relegatıon scrap beckons should thıs form contınue - as I saıd before your all good a talkıng ın the press but not where ıt counts on the fıeld. OUT WITH SHAW AGNEW SINGH VENKYS HENDRY COAR ASND APPLETON

blazerafe wrote:

JPB wrote:

blazerafe wrote:

JPB wrote:
i`d just say get behind the manager and stay there. i for one believe in his approach to being a successful manager. a kamikaze approach does not work.

I know where your coming from but Bowyer didnt need a kamikaze approach to get results, he had the players support and they were obviously comfortable in the way they were playing. Arsenal obviously inflated their ego's a little and over the past few games reality has smashed down on certain players hard, but do we really have to accept a 1-0 loss to one of our closest rivals as an improvement? that's all i am really trying to say.

there was nothing to suggest that results were going to continue in a positive vein under bowyer, his last game v wolves was as poor a display as any this season. you seem to be not accepting the fact that we have to rebuild the team before we will have the ability to challenge for promotion again. too many are either not good enough, or no longer have the desire to be successful at blackburn rovers. appleton has to have the chance to make it his team out there on the field.

And how many seasons is that supposed to take? how many more years are we supposed to sit through this rubbish. I spent the entire last season watching Portsmouth as i was at University there so i already know how Appletons teams line up. And he would have kept them up if they had not been deducted 10 points but not once did Portsmouth have a game where i thought that they had performed better than average. Blackpool have just hired Paul Ince and everyone knows what a poor manager he was when he was here so it shows the judgement they use to hire there managers.

Combine this with the useless transfer situation we had in January and the fact that realistically if we dont get promoted the wage bill will have to be dramatically deflated before any sort of rebuilding can be done, it does not bode well. Sometimes managers dont have the luxury of being able to rebuild the squad as soon as they arrive but 2 points out of 15 speaks for itself does it not.

leitchy wrote:

trevhd wrote:
Some bad losers,I have heard some fans ? were singing Fabrice Muamba should be dead if this is correct these fans ? should be banned from the games as it is a disgraceful thing to do.

I was at the game...never heard that from any fans.

Eagles were taunting the fans after his goal and ran the length of the pitch to celebrate in front of the rovers fans! No excuse though if our fans were singing that !!

Bolton looked like the only team going to score, although a draw would of been a fair result. An inproved rovers but need some quality to find a killer pass!

Angry From Accrington wrote:

Angry From Accrington wrote:

MattNewcastle wrote: I am livid, angry and sad. Shaw Agnew and Coar - Hang your heads in shame. Appleton is gormless and along with all his side kicks utterly useless. His comments tonight are astounding.. Facts and Realistic: 1 - We could have been beaten by 4 or more tonight, did no one see the goal line clearance off the line second half, numerous shots of theirs that went close. Sorry but our chances were no where near as clear cut as theirs. 2 - We were up against it all night Hanley again being the most worked player on the field just like all other games recently - Does that not tell you something. 3 - Appleton's inertia as a manager on the touchline is appalling. 4 - Moore his side kicks body language, slouched in his seat with his beanie and Puffa jacket on offering no support to Appleton is a disgrace - Compared to Freedman and his backroom staff we were totally outclassed. 5 - They bring on a centre forward and winger, two fresh pairs of legs, to run at our tired beleaguered defenders (who had had to defend for the best part of the match for we were being overun) and the clown stands there arms folded or in his pockets and does absolutely nothing to counter act it. 6 - Campbell and Rhodes cannot hold the ball up and are hardly tall up against Dawson and the tallest centre back in the championship and what do we do but hoof it up to them all night. They must have had the easiest night for a long time. 7 - Surprise surprise we end up defending all night because the ball comes back onto our back four time and time again. 8 - Best should have been on after 20 minutes for it was clear for all to see that Rhodes and Campbell were going to get nowhere. 9 - As soon as Bolton made their changes we should have taken Rhodes off left Best on and put Givet in front of Dann and Hanley to relieve the pressure and counter their two changes to at least secure a draw. 10 - Have we now also become the most flimsy Rovers side ever. You could push Rhodes, Henley, Olsson, Pederson, Stewart, Campbell over with your little finger - It was truly like watching Men v Boys. They have no Physical presence at all. Every side in the championship must be quaking in their boots playing us!!! 11 - Both our flanks tonight were overrun and ineffective in getting behind the Bolton defence. I utterly despair and would not let Appleton spend another penny. I am more than happy to be in a minority of one. And I will not change my mind until a good, solid, intelligent, tactically astute, charismatic (ok the first 4 qualities will do) manager is put in charge of our wonderful club.

You are in a minority of at least three and probably thousands more if they had the balls to admit that they were wrong to force Kean out. Appleton is completely out of his depth, has offloaded quality creative players and replaced them with Sunday League cloggers. Bring back Rochina, Formica, Vucevij, Rosado ,Nunes and convince Boater that he is the man to manage this club. APPLETON OUT!

That's Bowyer by the way. My spell check is as useless as Appleton

moh wrote:

Angry From Accrington wrote:

Angry From Accrington wrote:

MattNewcastle wrote: I am livid, angry and sad. Shaw Agnew and Coar - Hang your heads in shame. Appleton is gormless and along with all his side kicks utterly useless. His comments tonight are astounding.. Facts and Realistic: 1 - We could have been beaten by 4 or more tonight, did no one see the goal line clearance off the line second half, numerous shots of theirs that went close. Sorry but our chances were no where near as clear cut as theirs. 2 - We were up against it all night Hanley again being the most worked player on the field just like all other games recently - Does that not tell you something. 3 - Appleton's inertia as a manager on the touchline is appalling. 4 - Moore his side kicks body language, slouched in his seat with his beanie and Puffa jacket on offering no support to Appleton is a disgrace - Compared to Freedman and his backroom staff we were totally outclassed. 5 - They bring on a centre forward and winger, two fresh pairs of legs, to run at our tired beleaguered defenders (who had had to defend for the best part of the match for we were being overun) and the clown stands there arms folded or in his pockets and does absolutely nothing to counter act it. 6 - Campbell and Rhodes cannot hold the ball up and are hardly tall up against Dawson and the tallest centre back in the championship and what do we do but hoof it up to them all night. They must have had the easiest night for a long time. 7 - Surprise surprise we end up defending all night because the ball comes back onto our back four time and time again. 8 - Best should have been on after 20 minutes for it was clear for all to see that Rhodes and Campbell were going to get nowhere. 9 - As soon as Bolton made their changes we should have taken Rhodes off left Best on and put Givet in front of Dann and Hanley to relieve the pressure and counter their two changes to at least secure a draw. 10 - Have we now also become the most flimsy Rovers side ever. You could push Rhodes, Henley, Olsson, Pederson, Stewart, Campbell over with your little finger - It was truly like watching Men v Boys. They have no Physical presence at all. Every side in the championship must be quaking in their boots playing us!!! 11 - Both our flanks tonight were overrun and ineffective in getting behind the Bolton defence. I utterly despair and would not let Appleton spend another penny. I am more than happy to be in a minority of one. And I will not change my mind until a good, solid, intelligent, tactically astute, charismatic (ok the first 4 qualities will do) manager is put in charge of our wonderful club.

You are in a minority of at least three and probably thousands more if they had the balls to admit that they were wrong to force Kean out. Appleton is completely out of his depth, has offloaded quality creative players and replaced them with Sunday League cloggers. Bring back Rochina, Formica, Vucevij, Rosado ,Nunes and convince Boater that he is the man to manage this club. APPLETON OUT!

That's Bowyer by the way. My spell check is as useless as Appleton

very worrying as we are sliding down the table, Appleton needs to stop giving statements out everyday and concentrate on getting points to keep us in this division.

johnny rover wrote:
With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats.

Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom.

So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom.

As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league.

johnny rover wrote:

english rose 1 wrote:
Unfortunately you are deluded johnny rover. The ONLY game we deserved to win under Kean was Bristol C (A).
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His buys, apart from Rhodes & Yakubu were dreadful. His statements bizarre, his attitude terrible, and a proven speaker of untruths not to mention his criminal conviction. And he alienated most of our better players, prompting them to leave.
*
Remember his comments about how teams would be 'afraid' of our teamsheet ? What a load of bull.
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The fact is that Kean left us in a dreadful state. Appleton needs time to form a competitive squad, - and that won't be this season.
*

The stats show that Kean and his "dreadful buys" was likely to get us up to the premier league. And Bowyer, and possibly Black. I don't care how lucky he was with his results or how poor his attitude was, I would prefer to be in that position than where we are now - heading for a relegation battle (maybe not even a battle, could be a nosedive). I'd give Appleton one last chance against Milwall in the cup. If we lose that, get shot of him and put GB back in charge until the end of the season. And what kind of attitude is it to give a half-time team talk at Leicester saying "go out and make sure you don't lose by 4 or 5"!

baldie wrote:

goldfinger59 wrote:
We were unlucky tonight and hit the bar twice and were a whisker away with two shots, Bolton never looked like scoring, all their shots were either way off target or weak shots at our goalie, they just got the bit of luck that we were missing.

Said by someone who obviously went to the game.Well summed up.

Elysiumfire wrote:
Stats may not lie, but how one interprets them can be problematic. Going into last night's game, Bolton had a far superior statistical form factor, but positionally in the league, quite within reach.

I said Bolton would take the points, but they didn't do so based on statistical facts. Truth is, Blackburn played a more competitive game than they did last Saturday, still it was not enough. A lax in concentration allowed former Claret Eagles to swoop and snatch the 3 points!

I know many of you might not agree with me (for whatever reason?), but Appleton is the RIGHT man, RIGHT now for Blackburn. Be patient with him, and he will steady the ship, and there are signs that he is doing so. Forget going for glories this season, you are not playing well enough, or consistently well enough, to merit them. He has joined a club that is at storm with itself with internal discord, but he can calm the waters around that which he has influence...the playing field. The schism between owners and fans is something that is out of his hands, but is highly influential upon his strategic gameplay and player confidence.

Of course, a win is better than a draw, and a draw is better than a loss, so if the game's end is drawing near, and neither team look to be able to make the breakthrough, a draw is a far more satisfactory result than the eventual loss that came. It's all about perspective without prejudice.

Statistically, Bolton underperformed, whereas Blackburn upped their form quite significanly. If both teams had played to statistical form, Bolton would have slaughtered Rovers. Stats are good at telling a tale post-mortemly, but are quite inadequate (especially in football) to provide undeniable predictive power on a future outcome. Stats should only be taken as a guide.

Blackburn are away to Millwall on Saturday in the FA Cup. Statistically, there is little between both teams in regard to form. Stats-wise, it has the look of a draw, but I should expect Rovers to scrape a win without extra time, and that is what you want. Not just for the win, but for the turning into the wind to go forward in the right direction. The players need a win for their confidence, and Millwall should provide them with it.

johnny rover wrote:
With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats.

Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom.

So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom.

As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league.

French Rover wrote:

Elysiumfire wrote:
Stats may not lie, but how one interprets them can be problematic. Going into last night's game, Bolton had a far superior statistical form factor, but positionally in the league, quite within reach.

I said Bolton would take the points, but they didn't do so based on statistical facts. Truth is, Blackburn played a more competitive game than they did last Saturday, still it was not enough. A lax in concentration allowed former Claret Eagles to swoop and snatch the 3 points!

I know many of you might not agree with me (for whatever reason?), but Appleton is the RIGHT man, RIGHT now for Blackburn. Be patient with him, and he will steady the ship, and there are signs that he is doing so. Forget going for glories this season, you are not playing well enough, or consistently well enough, to merit them. He has joined a club that is at storm with itself with internal discord, but he can calm the waters around that which he has influence...the playing field. The schism between owners and fans is something that is out of his hands, but is highly influential upon his strategic gameplay and player confidence.

Of course, a win is better than a draw, and a draw is better than a loss, so if the game's end is drawing near, and neither team look to be able to make the breakthrough, a draw is a far more satisfactory result than the eventual loss that came. It's all about perspective without prejudice.

Statistically, Bolton underperformed, whereas Blackburn upped their form quite significanly. If both teams had played to statistical form, Bolton would have slaughtered Rovers. Stats are good at telling a tale post-mortemly, but are quite inadequate (especially in football) to provide undeniable predictive power on a future outcome. Stats should only be taken as a guide.

Blackburn are away to Millwall on Saturday in the FA Cup. Statistically, there is little between both teams in regard to form. Stats-wise, it has the look of a draw, but I should expect Rovers to scrape a win without extra time, and that is what you want. Not just for the win, but for the turning into the wind to go forward in the right direction. The players need a win for their confidence, and Millwall should provide them with it.

Probably the best and most sensible post on here for ages...have a Carling!

johnny rover wrote:
Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves.

Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team.

Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around.

More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse.

Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick?

It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.

johnny rover wrote:
Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves.

Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team.

Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around.

More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse.

Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick?

It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.

benal13 wrote:

French Rover wrote:

Elysiumfire wrote:
Stats may not lie, but how one interprets them can be problematic. Going into last night's game, Bolton had a far superior statistical form factor, but positionally in the league, quite within reach.

I said Bolton would take the points, but they didn't do so based on statistical facts. Truth is, Blackburn played a more competitive game than they did last Saturday, still it was not enough. A lax in concentration allowed former Claret Eagles to swoop and snatch the 3 points!

I know many of you might not agree with me (for whatever reason?), but Appleton is the RIGHT man, RIGHT now for Blackburn. Be patient with him, and he will steady the ship, and there are signs that he is doing so. Forget going for glories this season, you are not playing well enough, or consistently well enough, to merit them. He has joined a club that is at storm with itself with internal discord, but he can calm the waters around that which he has influence...the playing field. The schism between owners and fans is something that is out of his hands, but is highly influential upon his strategic gameplay and player confidence.

Of course, a win is better than a draw, and a draw is better than a loss, so if the game's end is drawing near, and neither team look to be able to make the breakthrough, a draw is a far more satisfactory result than the eventual loss that came. It's all about perspective without prejudice.

Statistically, Bolton underperformed, whereas Blackburn upped their form quite significanly. If both teams had played to statistical form, Bolton would have slaughtered Rovers. Stats are good at telling a tale post-mortemly, but are quite inadequate (especially in football) to provide undeniable predictive power on a future outcome. Stats should only be taken as a guide.

Blackburn are away to Millwall on Saturday in the FA Cup. Statistically, there is little between both teams in regard to form. Stats-wise, it has the look of a draw, but I should expect Rovers to scrape a win without extra time, and that is what you want. Not just for the win, but for the turning into the wind to go forward in the right direction. The players need a win for their confidence, and Millwall should provide them with it.

Probably the best and most sensible post on here for ages...have a Carling!

some good points but if he goes to the new den on saturday he will have a long wait cos they dont play while SUNDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!

gleechy wrote:

johnny rover wrote:

english rose 1 wrote:
Unfortunately you are deluded johnny rover. The ONLY game we deserved to win under Kean was Bristol C (A).
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His buys, apart from Rhodes & Yakubu were dreadful. His statements bizarre, his attitude terrible, and a proven speaker of untruths not to mention his criminal conviction. And he alienated most of our better players, prompting them to leave.
*
Remember his comments about how teams would be 'afraid' of our teamsheet ? What a load of bull.
*
The fact is that Kean left us in a dreadful state. Appleton needs time to form a competitive squad, - and that won't be this season.
*

The stats show that Kean and his "dreadful buys" was likely to get us up to the premier league. And Bowyer, and possibly Black. I don't care how lucky he was with his results or how poor his attitude was, I would prefer to be in that position than where we are now - heading for a relegation battle (maybe not even a battle, could be a nosedive). I'd give Appleton one last chance against Milwall in the cup. If we lose that, get shot of him and put GB back in charge until the end of the season. And what kind of attitude is it to give a half-time team talk at Leicester saying "go out and make sure you don't lose by 4 or 5"!

Please go to specsavers. The stats show us what we already knew, Kean was not a Premier Manager, and was happy to lie his way through a season or two and relied on idiots to back up his meaningless appraisals of his game.

If Rovers won a game with Kean in charge the look of dissbelief was all around as it was more likely to of been a **** good fluke, and the other team falling over itself that gave us the win.

If you truely believe Kean was the Man, you have not been around football very long, perhaps you have not been around very long, but it is a shallow ill thought out statement, and couldn't be further from the truth.

French Rover wrote:

johnny rover wrote:
Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves.

Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team.

Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around.

More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse.

Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick?

It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.

Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR.....

Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well.

i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post.

FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.

Roverthere wrote:

French Rover wrote:

johnny rover wrote: Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves. Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team. Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around. More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse. Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick? It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.

Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR..... Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well. i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post. FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.

A raving looney, or a Burnley fan! Probably both!

jackmetickler wrote:

Roverthere wrote:

French Rover wrote:

johnny rover wrote: Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves. Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team. Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around. More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse. Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick? It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.

Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR..... Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well. i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post. FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.

A raving looney, or a Burnley fan! Probably both!

a raving looney OR a Burnley fan!!!!

Is there a difference?

Harwoodstblue wrote:

jackmetickler wrote:

Roverthere wrote:

French Rover wrote:

johnny rover wrote: Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves. Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team. Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around. More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse. Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick? It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.

Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR..... Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well. i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post. FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.

A raving looney, or a Burnley fan! Probably both!

a raving looney OR a Burnley fan!!!!

Is there a difference?

No not at all. You only need to look at Fanny Tickler, Gammon Flap and Glentoran. The three drooling stooges in flat caps and beards.

Gammon Flap wrote:
I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday.

You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving.

You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves).

Disgraceful.

French Rover wrote:

johnny rover wrote:
Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves.

Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team.

Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around.

More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse.

Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick?

It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.

Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR.....

Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well.

i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post.

FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.

fanny.tickler. wrote:

Gammon Flap wrote:
I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday.

You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving.

You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves).

Disgraceful.

Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful.

johnny rover wrote:

fanny.tickler. wrote:

Gammon Flap wrote:
I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday.

You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving.

You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves).

Disgraceful.

Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful.

On another matter entirely to my stats posts - is this alleged misbehaviour of Rovers' fans true? I was there last night and saw no misbehaviour - just really positive support throughout. Which is not to say that it didn't occur, just that I want to know the facts. These are serious allegations.

johnny rover wrote:

fanny.tickler. wrote:

Gammon Flap wrote:
I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday.

You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving.

You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves).

Disgraceful.

Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful.

On another matter entirely to my stats posts - is this alleged misbehaviour of Rovers' fans true? I was there last night and saw no misbehaviour - just really positive support throughout. Which is not to say that it didn't occur, just that I want to know the facts. These are serious allegations.

Gammon Flap wrote:
I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday. You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving. You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves). Disgraceful.

Gammon Flap wrote:

johnny rover wrote:

fanny.tickler. wrote:

Gammon Flap wrote:
I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday.

You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving.

You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves).

Disgraceful.

Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful.

On another matter entirely to my stats posts - is this alleged misbehaviour of Rovers' fans true? I was there last night and saw no misbehaviour - just really positive support throughout. Which is not to say that it didn't occur, just that I want to know the facts. These are serious allegations.

It definitely happened, has been confirmed on all Bolton websites and also by a Bolton fan at my work that went last night.

Quote from Bolton Mad below:

'The horseplay between the two sets of fans is usually innocent enough - was disappointed tonight by the group of 100 or so Blackburn fans singing vile songs about Muamba as they entered the ground.'

Shocking

French Rover wrote:

benal13 wrote:

French Rover wrote:

Elysiumfire wrote:
Stats may not lie, but how one interprets them can be problematic. Going into last night's game, Bolton had a far superior statistical form factor, but positionally in the league, quite within reach.

I said Bolton would take the points, but they didn't do so based on statistical facts. Truth is, Blackburn played a more competitive game than they did last Saturday, still it was not enough. A lax in concentration allowed former Claret Eagles to swoop and snatch the 3 points!

I know many of you might not agree with me (for whatever reason?), but Appleton is the RIGHT man, RIGHT now for Blackburn. Be patient with him, and he will steady the ship, and there are signs that he is doing so. Forget going for glories this season, you are not playing well enough, or consistently well enough, to merit them. He has joined a club that is at storm with itself with internal discord, but he can calm the waters around that which he has influence...the playing field. The schism between owners and fans is something that is out of his hands, but is highly influential upon his strategic gameplay and player confidence.

Of course, a win is better than a draw, and a draw is better than a loss, so if the game's end is drawing near, and neither team look to be able to make the breakthrough, a draw is a far more satisfactory result than the eventual loss that came. It's all about perspective without prejudice.

Statistically, Bolton underperformed, whereas Blackburn upped their form quite significanly. If both teams had played to statistical form, Bolton would have slaughtered Rovers. Stats are good at telling a tale post-mortemly, but are quite inadequate (especially in football) to provide undeniable predictive power on a future outcome. Stats should only be taken as a guide.

Blackburn are away to Millwall on Saturday in the FA Cup. Statistically, there is little between both teams in regard to form. Stats-wise, it has the look of a draw, but I should expect Rovers to scrape a win without extra time, and that is what you want. Not just for the win, but for the turning into the wind to go forward in the right direction. The players need a win for their confidence, and Millwall should provide them with it.

Probably the best and most sensible post on here for ages...have a Carling!

some good points but if he goes to the new den on saturday he will have a long wait cos they dont play while SUNDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


!!!!

that's a bit mean Benal13....I think he knew it was a sunday game really :-)

But did you know that suss that the winners of the Rovers Millwall game will stand a very good chance of playing in the Europe next season.

The three other ties should probably all be won by teams who will be in the top 6 of the Prem (Everton is the only questionable one):

Man Utd v Chelsea
Man City v Barnsley
Everton v Wigan

So with a wee bit of luck then the Rovers should be in the Europa Cup next season. Better get your passport up to date Mr. B..

Harwoodstblue wrote:

Gammon Flap wrote:

johnny rover wrote:

fanny.tickler. wrote:

Gammon Flap wrote:
I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday.

You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving.

You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves).

Disgraceful.

Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful.

On another matter entirely to my stats posts - is this alleged misbehaviour of Rovers' fans true? I was there last night and saw no misbehaviour - just really positive support throughout. Which is not to say that it didn't occur, just that I want to know the facts. These are serious allegations.

It definitely happened, has been confirmed on all Bolton websites and also by a Bolton fan at my work that went last night.

Quote from Bolton Mad below:

'The horseplay between the two sets of fans is usually innocent enough - was disappointed tonight by the group of 100 or so Blackburn fans singing vile songs about Muamba as they entered the ground.'

Shocking

Wrong....As the 'Alleged incident' was supposed to have happened at the 'end' of the game.
Anyhow, I'd appreciate a link to these 'alleged comments' on these 'alleged' websites so that we can all have a look.

More desperate Dingle claptrap and lies from the trogs down the road.

johnny rover wrote:

French Rover wrote:

johnny rover wrote:
Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves.

Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team.

Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around.

More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse.

Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick?

It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.

Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR.....

Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well.

i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post.

FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.

Apologies. I did indeed not give the full stats on Appleton at Blackpool for the sake of brevity and will do so now. He did indeed have 6 draws. However if you add his Rovers form and Blackpool form together - you reach 19 points from 22 games. Statistically that would leave us bottom at the end of a full season.

You misunderstand Churchill too (I won't explain why for the sake of brevity). My statistics are not skewed and distorted. They are precisely the kind that Bookies make their predictions on and upon which a successful industry is built.

As for "any post that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic", your conclusions are interesting. First because you have concluded (correctly) that the statistics show Kean was actually getting rather good results this season. Second, because you have jumped to the conculsion (incorrectly) that I am a champion of SK. Third, because it reveals the Fascist tendency that anyone producing facts that could be interpreted as leading to an opinion that is not the same as yours is a lunatic. Continuing your WWII reference, does this mean I should be exterminated as per Hitler's practice with both dissenters and lunatincs?

French Rover wrote:

johnny rover wrote:

French Rover wrote:

johnny rover wrote:
Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves.

Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team.

Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around.

More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse.

Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick?

It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.

Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR.....

Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well.

i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post.

FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.

Apologies. I did indeed not give the full stats on Appleton at Blackpool for the sake of brevity and will do so now. He did indeed have 6 draws. However if you add his Rovers form and Blackpool form together - you reach 19 points from 22 games. Statistically that would leave us bottom at the end of a full season.

You misunderstand Churchill too (I won't explain why for the sake of brevity). My statistics are not skewed and distorted. They are precisely the kind that Bookies make their predictions on and upon which a successful industry is built.

As for "any post that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic", your conclusions are interesting. First because you have concluded (correctly) that the statistics show Kean was actually getting rather good results this season. Second, because you have jumped to the conculsion (incorrectly) that I am a champion of SK. Third, because it reveals the Fascist tendency that anyone producing facts that could be interpreted as leading to an opinion that is not the same as yours is a lunatic. Continuing your WWII reference, does this mean I should be exterminated as per Hitler's practice with both dissenters and lunatincs?

It is all anti-Rovers propaganda from you whichever way you dress it up...though to be fair you do seem to be a more well educated dingle than usually posts on here- you obviously won the 'day pass' to visit Blackburn and got some education :-)

BTW - The question you pose in your last paragraph doesn't really need much thinking about does it Dingle.

fanny.tickler. wrote:

Gammon Flap wrote:
I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday.

You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving.

You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves).

Disgraceful.

Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful.

fanny.tickler. wrote:

French Rover wrote:

johnny rover wrote:

French Rover wrote:

johnny rover wrote:
Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves.

Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team.

Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around.

More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse.

Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick?

It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.

Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR.....

Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well.

i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post.

FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.

Apologies. I did indeed not give the full stats on Appleton at Blackpool for the sake of brevity and will do so now. He did indeed have 6 draws. However if you add his Rovers form and Blackpool form together - you reach 19 points from 22 games. Statistically that would leave us bottom at the end of a full season.

You misunderstand Churchill too (I won't explain why for the sake of brevity). My statistics are not skewed and distorted. They are precisely the kind that Bookies make their predictions on and upon which a successful industry is built.

As for "any post that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic", your conclusions are interesting. First because you have concluded (correctly) that the statistics show Kean was actually getting rather good results this season. Second, because you have jumped to the conculsion (incorrectly) that I am a champion of SK. Third, because it reveals the Fascist tendency that anyone producing facts that could be interpreted as leading to an opinion that is not the same as yours is a lunatic. Continuing your WWII reference, does this mean I should be exterminated as per Hitler's practice with both dissenters and lunatincs?

It is all anti-Rovers propaganda from you whichever way you dress it up...though to be fair you do seem to be a more well educated dingle than usually posts on here- you obviously won the 'day pass' to visit Blackburn and got some education :-)

BTW - The question you pose in your last paragraph doesn't really need much thinking about does it Dingle.

The last time I went to Blackburn the only thing I got was a nasty rash. Filthy disease ridden cesspit of a town.

johnny rover wrote:

gleechy wrote:

johnny rover wrote:

english rose 1 wrote:
Unfortunately you are deluded johnny rover. The ONLY game we deserved to win under Kean was Bristol C (A).
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His buys, apart from Rhodes & Yakubu were dreadful. His statements bizarre, his attitude terrible, and a proven speaker of untruths not to mention his criminal conviction. And he alienated most of our better players, prompting them to leave.
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Remember his comments about how teams would be 'afraid' of our teamsheet ? What a load of bull.
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The fact is that Kean left us in a dreadful state. Appleton needs time to form a competitive squad, - and that won't be this season.
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The stats show that Kean and his "dreadful buys" was likely to get us up to the premier league. And Bowyer, and possibly Black. I don't care how lucky he was with his results or how poor his attitude was, I would prefer to be in that position than where we are now - heading for a relegation battle (maybe not even a battle, could be a nosedive). I'd give Appleton one last chance against Milwall in the cup. If we lose that, get shot of him and put GB back in charge until the end of the season. And what kind of attitude is it to give a half-time team talk at Leicester saying "go out and make sure you don't lose by 4 or 5"!

Please go to specsavers. The stats show us what we already knew, Kean was not a Premier Manager, and was happy to lie his way through a season or two and relied on idiots to back up his meaningless appraisals of his game.

If Rovers won a game with Kean in charge the look of dissbelief was all around as it was more likely to of been a **** good fluke, and the other team falling over itself that gave us the win.

If you truely believe Kean was the Man, you have not been around football very long, perhaps you have not been around very long, but it is a shallow ill thought out statement, and couldn't be further from the truth.

Try reading what I actually wrote before criticising me for my eyesight or mental health (all perfectly OK) on the basis of something that I didn't write - Inever said Kean was the right man for the job.

Gammon Flap wrote:

Harwoodstblue wrote:

jackmetickler wrote:

Roverthere wrote:

French Rover wrote:

johnny rover wrote: Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves. Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team. Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around. More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse. Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick? It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.

Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR..... Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well. i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post. FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.

A raving looney, or a Burnley fan! Probably both!

a raving looney OR a Burnley fan!!!!

Is there a difference?

No not at all. You only need to look at Fanny Tickler, Gammon Flap and Glentoran. The three drooling stooges in flat caps and beards.

Decided against commenting on your 'fans' disgraceful behaviour last night then - probably just as well, you have already embarrassed yourself on here.

fanny.tickler. wrote:

Gammon Flap wrote:
I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday.

You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving.

You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves).

Disgraceful.

Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful.

JPB wrote:
the players didn`t fluke it when winning and keeping clean sheets in appy`s earlier games and i believe he can get us back doing that consistantly given a bit of time. the game against bolton sounded like a step back in the right direction, even if luck wasn`t on our side in the end.

noddymcleod wrote:
We are nearer relegation than promotion. Fact, statistic whatever you wish to call it. Apple has had time to have had some influence, indeed he brags that the team is now in the same character as he himself. Boring, unimaginative, holding on for a draw against just the kind of team we need to beat to rise up the table. Apple will prove his really useful qualities for which he was hired when Venkys wind up the Rovers at the end of the season using his experience from Pompey. Does anyone out there really believe that in an ideal situation where the venkys go, where we are still hopefully in this division and we have new owners, tha Apple is the man to take us back to the Premiership ? As the grand bairns say "get real"

johnny rover wrote:
With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats.

Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom.

So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom.

As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league.

intothevalley wrote:

fanny.tickler. wrote:

Gammon Flap wrote:
I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday.

You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving.

You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves).

Disgraceful.

Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful.

And wasnt it dingles that arranged to go to station pub for a moronic fight before last ewood derby ?!! And wasnt it the dingles that trashed scarboroughs ground few years back ?

intothevalley wrote:

fanny.tickler. wrote:

Gammon Flap wrote:
I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday.

You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving.

You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves).

Disgraceful.

Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful.

And wasnt it dingles that arranged to go to station pub for a moronic fight before last ewood derby ?!! And wasnt it the dingles that trashed scarboroughs ground few years back ?

ashamed blue wrote:
I was there last night and i think a draw would of been a fair result. Until a small group of rovers fans(idiots) spoilt the night by throwing coins into the bolton crowd(do people not realise we are in a recession) and the same group singing sick chants towards Fabrice Muamba at the break. You know who you are. You was the group of fans nearest the score board. After that im disgusted and we got our just deserts.

French Rover wrote:

johnny rover wrote:

French Rover wrote:

johnny rover wrote:
Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves.

Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team.

Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around.

More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse.

Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick?

It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.

Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR.....

Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well.

i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post.

FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.

Apologies. I did indeed not give the full stats on Appleton at Blackpool for the sake of brevity and will do so now. He did indeed have 6 draws. However if you add his Rovers form and Blackpool form together - you reach 19 points from 22 games. Statistically that would leave us bottom at the end of a full season.

You misunderstand Churchill too (I won't explain why for the sake of brevity). My statistics are not skewed and distorted. They are precisely the kind that Bookies make their predictions on and upon which a successful industry is built.

As for "any post that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic", your conclusions are interesting. First because you have concluded (correctly) that the statistics show Kean was actually getting rather good results this season. Second, because you have jumped to the conculsion (incorrectly) that I am a champion of SK. Third, because it reveals the Fascist tendency that anyone producing facts that could be interpreted as leading to an opinion that is not the same as yours is a lunatic. Continuing your WWII reference, does this mean I should be exterminated as per Hitler's practice with both dissenters and lunatincs?

It is all anti-Rovers propaganda from you whichever way you dress it up...though to be fair you do seem to be a more well educated dingle than usually posts on here- you obviously won the 'day pass' to visit Blackburn and got some education :-)

BTW - The question you pose in your last paragraph doesn't really need much thinking about does it Dingle.

merlinrabbit wrote:

ashamed blue wrote:
I was there last night and i think a draw would of been a fair result. Until a small group of rovers fans(idiots) spoilt the night by throwing coins into the bolton crowd(do people not realise we are in a recession) and the same group singing sick chants towards Fabrice Muamba at the break. You know who you are. You was the group of fans nearest the score board. After that im disgusted and we got our just deserts.

I heard Bolton fans singing offensive songs about Jack Walker. I'm growing to dislike Rovers. How can that be? Reading people on here longing for a dishonest man, a blatant liar once proven in court and once admitted in a law suit, a manipulator, somebody I couldnt stand listening to. It's just stomach turning. Is there anybody with any intelligence or morals in football anymore?

benal13 wrote:

French Rover wrote:

Elysiumfire wrote:
Stats may not lie, but how one interprets them can be problematic. Going into last night's game, Bolton had a far superior statistical form factor, but positionally in the league, quite within reach.

I said Bolton would take the points, but they didn't do so based on statistical facts. Truth is, Blackburn played a more competitive game than they did last Saturday, still it was not enough. A lax in concentration allowed former Claret Eagles to swoop and snatch the 3 points!

I know many of you might not agree with me (for whatever reason?), but Appleton is the RIGHT man, RIGHT now for Blackburn. Be patient with him, and he will steady the ship, and there are signs that he is doing so. Forget going for glories this season, you are not playing well enough, or consistently well enough, to merit them. He has joined a club that is at storm with itself with internal discord, but he can calm the waters around that which he has influence...the playing field. The schism between owners and fans is something that is out of his hands, but is highly influential upon his strategic gameplay and player confidence.

Of course, a win is better than a draw, and a draw is better than a loss, so if the game's end is drawing near, and neither team look to be able to make the breakthrough, a draw is a far more satisfactory result than the eventual loss that came. It's all about perspective without prejudice.

Statistically, Bolton underperformed, whereas Blackburn upped their form quite significanly. If both teams had played to statistical form, Bolton would have slaughtered Rovers. Stats are good at telling a tale post-mortemly, but are quite inadequate (especially in football) to provide undeniable predictive power on a future outcome. Stats should only be taken as a guide.

Blackburn are away to Millwall on Saturday in the FA Cup. Statistically, there is little between both teams in regard to form. Stats-wise, it has the look of a draw, but I should expect Rovers to scrape a win without extra time, and that is what you want. Not just for the win, but for the turning into the wind to go forward in the right direction. The players need a win for their confidence, and Millwall should provide them with it.

Probably the best and most sensible post on here for ages...have a Carling!

some good points but if he goes to the new den on saturday he will have a long wait cos they dont play while SUNDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!

Simon Bolivar wrote:

johnny rover wrote:
With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats.

Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom.

So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom.

As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league.

I am not here to criticise anyones point of view but lets be cautious when using stats over a short period to prove a point. If the same calculation was used on WBA and Liverpool using the first seven games of the season, WBA would be in a Champions League spot (3rd in the Premier League instead of 9th and be 3 points behind City) and Liverpool would be in the relegation zone instead of 7th (on the same points as Villa).

Stats can be made to read any way you want them really, the real issue is that Rovers are in a mess which started with the Walker Trust flogging us to people who have no interest but their own self interest. The Venky's thought they could run us on the cheap and exploit our premiership status to further their poultry sales and they have failed miserably. Their transfers out bring in far more money than the signings have cost them.

Their constant and stubborn support of Steve Kean damaged the club irepairably and we'll probably never recover (although you can never say never). No business I am aware of keeps someone in place who is doing so much damage to their customer base.

I don't need to go on, people on this forum know the rest of the story and we all know what state we are in. Whether we choose to attend matches or stay away or even keep turning up when each false dawn has occured this season, we can't get away from the fact that before the last couple of seasons, we were all season ticket holders/regular attendees of a club that was in our blood and formed a large part of our lives.

The longer this disaster continues, the people who have chosen not to attend will find other things to do then feel suicidal each week watching Soccer Saturday as another defeat comes in. For those who attend, its the same feeling except it is happening right there in touching distance of your seat.

We all know what we would like to happen and that is Rovers to be bought out by football loving owners but that is just a distant dream at the moment.

johnny rover wrote:

French Rover wrote:

johnny rover wrote:

French Rover wrote:

johnny rover wrote:
Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves.

Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team.

Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around.

More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse.

Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick?

It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.

Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR.....

Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well.

i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post.

FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.

Apologies. I did indeed not give the full stats on Appleton at Blackpool for the sake of brevity and will do so now. He did indeed have 6 draws. However if you add his Rovers form and Blackpool form together - you reach 19 points from 22 games. Statistically that would leave us bottom at the end of a full season.

You misunderstand Churchill too (I won't explain why for the sake of brevity). My statistics are not skewed and distorted. They are precisely the kind that Bookies make their predictions on and upon which a successful industry is built.

As for "any post that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic", your conclusions are interesting. First because you have concluded (correctly) that the statistics show Kean was actually getting rather good results this season. Second, because you have jumped to the conculsion (incorrectly) that I am a champion of SK. Third, because it reveals the Fascist tendency that anyone producing facts that could be interpreted as leading to an opinion that is not the same as yours is a lunatic. Continuing your WWII reference, does this mean I should be exterminated as per Hitler's practice with both dissenters and lunatincs?

It is all anti-Rovers propaganda from you whichever way you dress it up...though to be fair you do seem to be a more well educated dingle than usually posts on here- you obviously won the 'day pass' to visit Blackburn and got some education :-)

BTW - The question you pose in your last paragraph doesn't really need much thinking about does it Dingle.

Still persisting you FASCIST bully. Now I'm a Dingle and my facts (for that's all they are) are propaganda. Maybe you were one of the alleged hooligans last night? Or maybe you stayed at home to watch Man U. I suspect its the latter. 50 years plus at Ewood through thick and thin. Shame on you.

steve18gls wrote:

intothevalley wrote:

fanny.tickler. wrote:

Gammon Flap wrote:
I see your so-called fans were ripping up seats, being baton charged by police and singing awful songs about Muamba, all this after chucking glasses at Peterborough fans on Saturday.

You keep telling yourself that the over=-the top policing for the East Lancs derby is all about Burnley fans misbehaving.

You fans are like a throwback to the 80's (A bit like Blackburn locals themselves).

Disgraceful.

Utterly despicable knuckle dragging Neanderthals who should be banned from every football ground in the country for life. Football does not need the likes of those inbred morons. Blackburn Rovers hang your head in shame. Disgraceful.

And wasnt it dingles that arranged to go to station pub for a moronic fight before last ewood derby ?!! And wasnt it the dingles that trashed scarboroughs ground few years back ?

And wasnt it the dingles who trashed their own town ?? morons

johnny rover wrote:

merlinrabbit wrote:

ashamed blue wrote:
I was there last night and i think a draw would of been a fair result. Until a small group of rovers fans(idiots) spoilt the night by throwing coins into the bolton crowd(do people not realise we are in a recession) and the same group singing sick chants towards Fabrice Muamba at the break. You know who you are. You was the group of fans nearest the score board. After that im disgusted and we got our just deserts.

I heard Bolton fans singing offensive songs about Jack Walker. I'm growing to dislike Rovers. How can that be? Reading people on here longing for a dishonest man, a blatant liar once proven in court and once admitted in a law suit, a manipulator, somebody I couldnt stand listening to. It's just stomach turning. Is there anybody with any intelligence or morals in football anymore?

Loads of posts and so far I cannot recall one that has been "longing for" SK.

To add an element of speculation to my statistics - if SK, EB and GB could produce results that together would get us automatic promotion, maybe any half decent manager could have achieved the same with those players? In contrast what does it say about MA that our current run of form is more than 20 places below?

Harwoodstblue wrote:

johnny rover wrote:

merlinrabbit wrote:

ashamed blue wrote:
I was there last night and i think a draw would of been a fair result. Until a small group of rovers fans(idiots) spoilt the night by throwing coins into the bolton crowd(do people not realise we are in a recession) and the same group singing sick chants towards Fabrice Muamba at the break. You know who you are. You was the group of fans nearest the score board. After that im disgusted and we got our just deserts.

I heard Bolton fans singing offensive songs about Jack Walker. I'm growing to dislike Rovers. How can that be? Reading people on here longing for a dishonest man, a blatant liar once proven in court and once admitted in a law suit, a manipulator, somebody I couldnt stand listening to. It's just stomach turning. Is there anybody with any intelligence or morals in football anymore?

Loads of posts and so far I cannot recall one that has been "longing for" SK.

To add an element of speculation to my statistics - if SK, EB and GB could produce results that together would get us automatic promotion, maybe any half decent manager could have achieved the same with those players? In contrast what does it say about MA that our current run of form is more than 20 places below?

Steve Kean's fluke results couldn't last.
We were playing shocking, awful football in those games, just as now and any knowledgable football fan could see it.
His luck would have run out sooner rather than later, and he knew it. He got out just in time before the bubble burst.

French Rover wrote:

johnny rover wrote:

French Rover wrote:

johnny rover wrote:

French Rover wrote:

johnny rover wrote:
Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves.

Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team.

Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around.

More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse.

Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick?

It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.

Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR.....

Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well.

i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post.

FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.

Apologies. I did indeed not give the full stats on Appleton at Blackpool for the sake of brevity and will do so now. He did indeed have 6 draws. However if you add his Rovers form and Blackpool form together - you reach 19 points from 22 games. Statistically that would leave us bottom at the end of a full season.

You misunderstand Churchill too (I won't explain why for the sake of brevity). My statistics are not skewed and distorted. They are precisely the kind that Bookies make their predictions on and upon which a successful industry is built.

As for "any post that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic", your conclusions are interesting. First because you have concluded (correctly) that the statistics show Kean was actually getting rather good results this season. Second, because you have jumped to the conculsion (incorrectly) that I am a champion of SK. Third, because it reveals the Fascist tendency that anyone producing facts that could be interpreted as leading to an opinion that is not the same as yours is a lunatic. Continuing your WWII reference, does this mean I should be exterminated as per Hitler's practice with both dissenters and lunatincs?

It is all anti-Rovers propaganda from you whichever way you dress it up...though to be fair you do seem to be a more well educated dingle than usually posts on here- you obviously won the 'day pass' to visit Blackburn and got some education :-)

BTW - The question you pose in your last paragraph doesn't really need much thinking about does it Dingle.

Still persisting you FASCIST bully. Now I'm a Dingle and my facts (for that's all they are) are propaganda. Maybe you were one of the alleged hooligans last night? Or maybe you stayed at home to watch Man U. I suspect its the latter. 50 years plus at Ewood through thick and thin. Shame on you.

You are the only one on here who is even alluding to Facists. Maybe you know more about them than other people? If you are really not a dingle then surely it is time to grow-up and stop behaving like one and spouting meaningless lies (sorry statistics) with not a fact among them! Shame on you whoever you are pretending to be a Rover.

pepperpot2296 wrote:
I cannot believe anyone praising clueless KEAN saying, where we would have been with him in charge at present, the fact is these are hypothetical.The plain fact is he totally destroyed a very capable premiership side and replaced it with plainly, poor players who came with, or have since adopted a lazy could,nt care less attitude. The sooner the season ends the better and at least seven or more of this squad should not be here come next season.

johnny rover wrote:

pepperpot2296 wrote:
I cannot believe anyone praising clueless KEAN saying, where we would have been with him in charge at present, the fact is these are hypothetical.The plain fact is he totally destroyed a very capable premiership side and replaced it with plainly, poor players who came with, or have since adopted a lazy could,nt care less attitude. The sooner the season ends the better and at least seven or more of this squad should not be here come next season.

As I said earlier, I don't think anyone in these dozens of posts have praised SK. Certainly not me. By comparing SKs points per game ratio with MAs does not mean I think SK was great. SK's points per game ration was more than double that of MA's. The stats makes it hard to form an argument that MA is a better manager that SK (or GB, or EB who all had good points per game ratios).

johnny rover wrote:

French Rover wrote:

johnny rover wrote:

French Rover wrote:

johnny rover wrote:

French Rover wrote:

johnny rover wrote:
Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves.

Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team.

Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around.

More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse.

Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick?

It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.

Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR.....

Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well.

i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post.

FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.

Apologies. I did indeed not give the full stats on Appleton at Blackpool for the sake of brevity and will do so now. He did indeed have 6 draws. However if you add his Rovers form and Blackpool form together - you reach 19 points from 22 games. Statistically that would leave us bottom at the end of a full season.

You misunderstand Churchill too (I won't explain why for the sake of brevity). My statistics are not skewed and distorted. They are precisely the kind that Bookies make their predictions on and upon which a successful industry is built.

As for "any post that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic", your conclusions are interesting. First because you have concluded (correctly) that the statistics show Kean was actually getting rather good results this season. Second, because you have jumped to the conculsion (incorrectly) that I am a champion of SK. Third, because it reveals the Fascist tendency that anyone producing facts that could be interpreted as leading to an opinion that is not the same as yours is a lunatic. Continuing your WWII reference, does this mean I should be exterminated as per Hitler's practice with both dissenters and lunatincs?

It is all anti-Rovers propaganda from you whichever way you dress it up...though to be fair you do seem to be a more well educated dingle than usually posts on here- you obviously won the 'day pass' to visit Blackburn and got some education :-)

BTW - The question you pose in your last paragraph doesn't really need much thinking about does it Dingle.

Still persisting you FASCIST bully. Now I'm a Dingle and my facts (for that's all they are) are propaganda. Maybe you were one of the alleged hooligans last night? Or maybe you stayed at home to watch Man U. I suspect its the latter. 50 years plus at Ewood through thick and thin. Shame on you.

You are the only one on here who is even alluding to Facists. Maybe you know more about them than other people? If you are really not a dingle then surely it is time to grow-up and stop behaving like one and spouting meaningless lies (sorry statistics) with not a fact among them! Shame on you whoever you are pretending to be a Rover.

I have had enough of this. You cannot get involved in a discussion without misunderstanding plain English. You are so blinkered you think I am giving an opinion when I am stating facts (and not expressing an opinion). All you are is abusive and a bully. And you still haven't answered whether you were there last night or whether you stayed at home watching MUFC! Over and out. I have a life to lead.

French Rover wrote:

johnny rover wrote:

French Rover wrote:

johnny rover wrote:

French Rover wrote:

johnny rover wrote:

French Rover wrote:

johnny rover wrote:
Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves.

Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team.

Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around.

More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse.

Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick?

It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.

Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR.....

Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well.

i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post.

FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.

Apologies. I did indeed not give the full stats on Appleton at Blackpool for the sake of brevity and will do so now. He did indeed have 6 draws. However if you add his Rovers form and Blackpool form together - you reach 19 points from 22 games. Statistically that would leave us bottom at the end of a full season.

You misunderstand Churchill too (I won't explain why for the sake of brevity). My statistics are not skewed and distorted. They are precisely the kind that Bookies make their predictions on and upon which a successful industry is built.

As for "any post that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic", your conclusions are interesting. First because you have concluded (correctly) that the statistics show Kean was actually getting rather good results this season. Second, because you have jumped to the conculsion (incorrectly) that I am a champion of SK. Third, because it reveals the Fascist tendency that anyone producing facts that could be interpreted as leading to an opinion that is not the same as yours is a lunatic. Continuing your WWII reference, does this mean I should be exterminated as per Hitler's practice with both dissenters and lunatincs?

It is all anti-Rovers propaganda from you whichever way you dress it up...though to be fair you do seem to be a more well educated dingle than usually posts on here- you obviously won the 'day pass' to visit Blackburn and got some education :-)

BTW - The question you pose in your last paragraph doesn't really need much thinking about does it Dingle.

Still persisting you FASCIST bully. Now I'm a Dingle and my facts (for that's all they are) are propaganda. Maybe you were one of the alleged hooligans last night? Or maybe you stayed at home to watch Man U. I suspect its the latter. 50 years plus at Ewood through thick and thin. Shame on you.

You are the only one on here who is even alluding to Facists. Maybe you know more about them than other people? If you are really not a dingle then surely it is time to grow-up and stop behaving like one and spouting meaningless lies (sorry statistics) with not a fact among them! Shame on you whoever you are pretending to be a Rover.

I have had enough of this. You cannot get involved in a discussion without misunderstanding plain English. You are so blinkered you think I am giving an opinion when I am stating facts (and not expressing an opinion). All you are is abusive and a bully. And you still haven't answered whether you were there last night or whether you stayed at home watching MUFC! Over and out. I have a life to lead.

bye steve

trevhd wrote:
Some bad losers,I have heard some fans ? were singing Fabrice Muamba should be dead if this is correct these fans ? should be banned from the games as it is a disgraceful thing to do.

silverstan wrote:

trevhd wrote:
Some bad losers,I have heard some fans ? were singing Fabrice Muamba should be dead if this is correct these fans ? should be banned from the games as it is a disgraceful thing to do.

**** off our post you sad ****, you know nowt about Rovers or football so do one !!!

upholland rover wrote:
Get real! Formica Rochina Vuckevic no more than show ponies. Good 5 a side players in a sports hall but totally ineffective in the championship. Not team players and no bottle. Well rid!

johnny rover wrote:

Simon Bolivar wrote:

johnny rover wrote:
With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats.

Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom.

So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom.

As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league.

I am not here to criticise anyones point of view but lets be cautious when using stats over a short period to prove a point. If the same calculation was used on WBA and Liverpool using the first seven games of the season, WBA would be in a Champions League spot (3rd in the Premier League instead of 9th and be 3 points behind City) and Liverpool would be in the relegation zone instead of 7th (on the same points as Villa).

Stats can be made to read any way you want them really, the real issue is that Rovers are in a mess which started with the Walker Trust flogging us to people who have no interest but their own self interest. The Venky's thought they could run us on the cheap and exploit our premiership status to further their poultry sales and they have failed miserably. Their transfers out bring in far more money than the signings have cost them.

Their constant and stubborn support of Steve Kean damaged the club irepairably and we'll probably never recover (although you can never say never). No business I am aware of keeps someone in place who is doing so much damage to their customer base.

I don't need to go on, people on this forum know the rest of the story and we all know what state we are in. Whether we choose to attend matches or stay away or even keep turning up when each false dawn has occured this season, we can't get away from the fact that before the last couple of seasons, we were all season ticket holders/regular attendees of a club that was in our blood and formed a large part of our lives.

The longer this disaster continues, the people who have chosen not to attend will find other things to do then feel suicidal each week watching Soccer Saturday as another defeat comes in. For those who attend, its the same feeling except it is happening right there in touching distance of your seat.

We all know what we would like to happen and that is Rovers to be bought out by football loving owners but that is just a distant dream at the moment.

At last, someone who is able to criticise my stats intelligently. Though I am not using the stats to "prove a point", merely to demonstrate trends and stimulate discussion. Good examples with WBA and Liverpool. I would say that you could make an intelligent prediction, based on players and other factors, that Liverpool would improve and WBA would be unable to maintain their progress. I am not saying SK would be certain to have got us automatic promotion - but he might have (Rovers had/have a strong squad by Championship standards). The really worrying thing are the apalling stats from MA. And looking beyond the stats there seems to be little to suggest he will turn things around. His form at B'pool was poor and his form at Rovers is getting worse by the week.

Few would say that with 6 points from a possible 30 Berg should have stayed. MA is doing only slightly better - 9 from a possible 30. If (please don't let it happen) we get thumped by Burnley, how many of those who think he's on the right course and should be given more time will hold to that view.

Again - for all of those who call me a Dingle, a lunatic or worse - I have not expressed any opinion here. I am raising facts to provoke discussion.

Roverthere wrote:

French Rover wrote:

johnny rover wrote:
Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves.

Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team.

Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around.

More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse.

Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick?

It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.

Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR.....

Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well.

i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post.

FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.

A raving looney, or a Burnley fan! Probably both!

tugay please !! wrote:
I was there lasi night and there were no so called chants, just someone stirring garbage. However Bolton fans were throwing coins and bottles some full at Rovers fans .Unfortunately Rovers fans did react by smashing seats and throwing them back. There was also trouble on the ground as fans tried to get at each other and outside after the game. A bit like the 80 s all over again .
Why do Bolton fans hate us when we dont care ?

johnny rover wrote:
With apologies for the repeat but we need to get real. Whilst we fought hard at Bolton and were a touch unlucky to lose (and the fans were fantastic) , both sides were poor. Stewart and DJ unimpressive. Much more preferable would be Rochina, Formica, Gomes, Nunes or Vukevich despite their deficiencies. Lets look at the managerial stats. Extrapolating their points when in charge over the season to date (36 league matches) - had we stuck with Kean (W4, D2, L1) we would have had 72 points and been top of the league. Similarly Gary Bowyer (W2, D1, L0) 75 points and top. Eric Black (W2, D3, L1) 54 points and 7th, Hening Berg (W1, D3, L6) 22 points and bottom, Michael Appleton (W2, D3, L5) 32 points and bottom. So - the manager the fans (and Shebby) forced out would could have had us top. Instead the two "permanent" managers appointed by the clueless ones would both have had us bottom. As to those who say we need to be patient as we have to rebuild!.... Two of the five managers we had this season would have had us top of the league.

merlinrabbit wrote:

tugay please !! wrote:
I was there lasi night and there were no so called chants, just someone stirring garbage. However Bolton fans were throwing coins and bottles some full at Rovers fans .Unfortunately Rovers fans did react by smashing seats and throwing them back. There was also trouble on the ground as fans tried to get at each other and outside after the game. A bit like the 80 s all over again .
Why do Bolton fans hate us when we dont care ?

Bolton fans were chanting abuse about jack walker. Police and stewards did nothing. A minority of rovers fans retaliated. It was the same last season. Bolton fans were shouting racist abuse at our players. It was reported to stewards and police but they were all too busy filming and photographing rovers fans in case we had banners and started a protest. They weren't interested in the home crowd. The police were a disgrace at the Reebok last season. I witnessed somebody being practically assaulted for no other reason than he questioned a police officer. I officially complained and received an apology from police chief following investigation.

Angry From Accrington wrote:

Roverthere wrote:

French Rover wrote:

johnny rover wrote:
Always the case on here that you get shouted down by those that cannot be bothered to read or understand what you wrote, let alone tolerate opinions from anyone who thinks differently to them. I never said Kean was a good manager, nor did I say he should not have been sacked. I was letting the satistics talk for themselves.

Fact is that over the 16 games under Kean, Black & Bowyer we accumulated 30 points - automatic promotion form and not the sort of form that necessitates a fundamental rebuilding of the team.

Under Appleton we have 9 points from 10 games - relegation form. He fared only slightly better at Blackpool with 2 wins in 12 games. And of course he took Portsmouth down (though I am not blaming him for that). The statistics give no support to the argument that Appleton can turn things around.

More subjectively, it is worth asking whether Appleton's style of football (hoofball) is the answer? It is certainly horrible to watch. Some argue it is necessary for us to adopt that style to get results in the league we are in. I would suggest the statisitics show the reverse.

Finally we have to look at Appleton's transfer dealings/loans and team selection. Hopefully Jones may turn out OK but otherwise does anyone really think that DJ, Stewart, Rekik are better players than Rochina, Vukevich & Formica (whom he released) or Gomes, Nunes & Givet whom he refuses to pick?

It would be nice to get into some kind of intelligent discussion on these points because I certainly would like to have someone persuade me I am wrong.

Persuade you that you are wrong> mmm - well I heard the men in the white coats who will come to take you away shortly are quite persuasive JohnnyR.....

Churchill had your sort sussed - Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics - and careful editing of the truth as well.

i.e. MA only had 2 wins at Blackpool in 12 games for MA - yes he did - but he also only had 2 losses out of 12 games. A balanced view that would not support your skewed post.

FYI - Any posts that bulls-up Steve Kean in any possible way is automatically and quite rightly dismissed as the writings of a lunatic.

A raving looney, or a Burnley fan! Probably both!

Johnny Rover you are absolutely right so don't be intimidated by French Letter and his knuckle dragging numpty mates. I know him personally. He is very small person with a very small Willi. He was bullied at school and is now bullied at work. Someone stole his toilet brush yesterday which is why he is especially mean today. Keep on speaking out about Appleton. His transfers, team selection, tactics, motivation and management are woeful. Worst manager this season!