Billy McKinlay targeted for Rovers top job (From This Is Lancashire)

jinkyjase wrote:
If he comes I'll back him. But to say it would be a disappointing would be a massive understatement.

I also wonder about his links to Kean. This rumour that Kean has money in the club and, therefore, some influence would do nothing to dispel it.

jinkyjase wrote:
If he comes I'll back him. But to say it would be a disappointing would be a massive understatement.

I also wonder about his links to Kean. This rumour that Kean has money in the club and, therefore, some influence would do nothing to dispel it.

jinkyjase wrote:
If he comes I'll back him. But to say it would be a disappointing would be a massive understatement.

I also wonder about his links to Kean. This rumour that Kean has money in the club and, therefore, some influence would do nothing to dispel it.

Oakdale blue wrote:
Some supporters will never be happy with whoever is appointed, but at least lets have some decent names in the hat.

Holloway..you are having a laugh in a recent Telegraph poll didn't he get 20% of the votes...that means 80% don't want him.

Chaos reigns at Ewood

1952 rover wrote:
All this talk of Hollaway, Not for me . Look at his previous clubs. Not a very good record. What has happend to all the big names on Shebby's so called list.

midas wrote:
Whats happened to all the talk of Benitez, Clemente, Shuster et al? McKinley and Sutton - the Rovers Dream Team!!!
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Not even Peter Reid and Ian Dowie are interested. Has Joe Royle been contacted?

MxMave wrote:
If Mckinkey is appointed I shall not be returning to Ewood next season. It would show with absolutely no doubt that Venkys have alterior motives with BRFC. It would be an insult to suggest that Venkys don't know what thier doing, they know exactly what thier doing but the fans don't have a clue why thier doing it.

We arn't going to be promoted this year, no matter what manager comes in, there are several better setups in this league than Rovers.

If Mckinley is appointed then a mass boycot is the only course which the fans could take. It would be clear from that point on that the only way forward is to starve Venkys of cash to the point at which thier loosing more money than they can recoup and hope that they don't exact thier revenge by sending us to the bottom of league 2 before selling.

Oakdale blue wrote:
Some supporters will never be happy with whoever is appointed, but at least lets have some decent names in the hat.

Holloway..you are having a laugh in a recent Telegraph poll didn't he get 20% of the votes...that means 80% don't want him.

Chaos reigns at Ewood

AndyW wrote:
It's McKinlay by the way, not McKinley.

Incorrect in the title, correct in the article.

midas wrote:
Whats happened to all the talk of Benitez, Clemente, Shuster et al? McKinley and Sutton - the Rovers Dream Team!!!
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Not even Peter Reid and Ian Dowie are interested. Has Joe Royle been contacted?

benal13 wrote:
why did sounes bomb mcinley out when he was manager i cant remember but sounes was not happy with him for some reason other than his form?????????????

ash1995 wrote:
I don't know how many times yesterday I read comments stating that Mckinlay must be a good coach if Jol and fulham rate him. That is the point, he is a good coach NOT A GOOD MANAGER. If he was manger material do you not think Fulham would have turned to him instead of appointing Jol last time seeing as he was already at the club. Do you honestly think if Jol left tomorrow they would turn to McKinlay as their next manager? Why have no other clubs looking for managers (in any division) ever spotted this 'potential' as a number 1? Why has he not even as much as been linked with a managerial vacancy (in any division) - ever? Either Shebby has spotted something no one else has including his current employers who see him day in day out or there just may be an ulterior motive.

This whole thing stinks. As other people have already stated, the bottom line is Venky's and Singh are frightened to death of appointing an experienced manager who will have his own brain and will want full control of affairs (as is the case at normal football clubs). Instead they are looking for someone who otherwise would never have got an opportunity to manage a football club as long as they live. This way they will agree to anything just to get the job as this chance may never come around again. Does any of this remind you of our previous appointment?

None of this is anything personal against McKinlay. I'm sure he is very good at what he does at Fulham and if I was him I would stick with the cushy number he is on because if he is actually offered and accepts the job and then turns out to be merely a puppet (which is very likely) then its pretty likely his life will be made into a living hell just like the last puppet we employed.

Rant over!

fitz808 wrote:
of course this smacks of making the same mistake as the kean appointment.
however, it is completely wrong to be discussing boycotts and refusals to accept the new man before a) our approach has been given the green light by fulham, b) the rovers ownership has given the move a green light, b) billy mc has accepted the role, c) he has taken the club through a run of games.
again, we have people presuming to know oh so much more than everyone else. we don't. i for one will give any arriving manager a fair crack of the whip when it comes to my support - even if that was allardyce again.
the club's pursuit of an up and coming coach/manager is an interesting one, and of course a huge gamble which has already backfired. but it does not mean that it will backfire again, just as an experienced man is not a guarrantee of success.
it also suggests to me that we will see the new man being used mainly as a head oach, with singh acting as a Dir of Football, but that's just a guess.
in any case, they have a chance to prove their worth in my book. the club itself retains my support, as whoever arrives will be here temporarily - either in the short term or the longer term.

mellorb&w wrote:

ash1995 wrote:
I don't know how many times yesterday I read comments stating that Mckinlay must be a good coach if Jol and fulham rate him. That is the point, he is a good coach NOT A GOOD MANAGER. If he was manger material do you not think Fulham would have turned to him instead of appointing Jol last time seeing as he was already at the club. Do you honestly think if Jol left tomorrow they would turn to McKinlay as their next manager? Why have no other clubs looking for managers (in any division) ever spotted this 'potential' as a number 1? Why has he not even as much as been linked with a managerial vacancy (in any division) - ever? Either Shebby has spotted something no one else has including his current employers who see him day in day out or there just may be an ulterior motive.

This whole thing stinks. As other people have already stated, the bottom line is Venky's and Singh are frightened to death of appointing an experienced manager who will have his own brain and will want full control of affairs (as is the case at normal football clubs). Instead they are looking for someone who otherwise would never have got an opportunity to manage a football club as long as they live. This way they will agree to anything just to get the job as this chance may never come around again. Does any of this remind you of our previous appointment?

None of this is anything personal against McKinlay. I'm sure he is very good at what he does at Fulham and if I was him I would stick with the cushy number he is on because if he is actually offered and accepts the job and then turns out to be merely a puppet (which is very likely) then its pretty likely his life will be made into a living hell just like the last puppet we employed.

Rant over!

Fair comments. At last a bit of intelligence on this site.

Riverside 7 wrote:

mellorb&w wrote:

ash1995 wrote:
I don't know how many times yesterday I read comments stating that Mckinlay must be a good coach if Jol and fulham rate him. That is the point, he is a good coach NOT A GOOD MANAGER. If he was manger material do you not think Fulham would have turned to him instead of appointing Jol last time seeing as he was already at the club. Do you honestly think if Jol left tomorrow they would turn to McKinlay as their next manager? Why have no other clubs looking for managers (in any division) ever spotted this 'potential' as a number 1? Why has he not even as much as been linked with a managerial vacancy (in any division) - ever? Either Shebby has spotted something no one else has including his current employers who see him day in day out or there just may be an ulterior motive.

This whole thing stinks. As other people have already stated, the bottom line is Venky's and Singh are frightened to death of appointing an experienced manager who will have his own brain and will want full control of affairs (as is the case at normal football clubs). Instead they are looking for someone who otherwise would never have got an opportunity to manage a football club as long as they live. This way they will agree to anything just to get the job as this chance may never come around again. Does any of this remind you of our previous appointment?

None of this is anything personal against McKinlay. I'm sure he is very good at what he does at Fulham and if I was him I would stick with the cushy number he is on because if he is actually offered and accepts the job and then turns out to be merely a puppet (which is very likely) then its pretty likely his life will be made into a living hell just like the last puppet we employed.

Rant over!

Fair comments. At last a bit of intelligence on this site.

I agree, a good post Ash.

What we need (and most people are in agreement) is an experienced manager.

But Mellor B & W you must have changed your mind on McKinlay as you spent all yesterday championing his name as our future manager.

RUinsane wrote:
Thats it I've had it up to here. I am now considering joining the boycott. Until the pies are served at the correct temperature and the wind is less than 5 mph and its not Tuesday, I'm not going to Rovers again. Oh and of course until everyone in the southern hemisphere wears briefs instead of boxers. thats me done with Rovers until these demands are met.

mellorb&w wrote:

MxMave wrote:
If Mckinkey is appointed I shall not be returning to Ewood next season. It would show with absolutely no doubt that Venkys have alterior motives with BRFC. It would be an insult to suggest that Venkys don't know what thier doing, they know exactly what thier doing but the fans don't have a clue why thier doing it.

We arn't going to be promoted this year, no matter what manager comes in, there are several better setups in this league than Rovers.

If Mckinley is appointed then a mass boycot is the only course which the fans could take. It would be clear from that point on that the only way forward is to starve Venkys of cash to the point at which thier loosing more money than they can recoup and hope that they don't exact thier revenge by sending us to the bottom of league 2 before selling.

It's no wonder our support is ridiculed throughout the country. I would prefer a more experienced manager but if McKinlay gets the job then all "real" supporters should get behind him and the players. If he fails then by all means the boo boys can do their stuff.

Billypieman wrote:

fitz808 wrote: of course this smacks of making the same mistake as the kean appointment. however, it is completely wrong to be discussing boycotts and refusals to accept the new man before a) our approach has been given the green light by fulham, b) the rovers ownership has given the move a green light, b) billy mc has accepted the role, c) he has taken the club through a run of games. again, we have people presuming to know oh so much more than everyone else. we don't. i for one will give any arriving manager a fair crack of the whip when it comes to my support - even if that was allardyce again. the club's pursuit of an up and coming coach/manager is an interesting one, and of course a huge gamble which has already backfired. but it does not mean that it will backfire again, just as an experienced man is not a guarrantee of success. it also suggests to me that we will see the new man being used mainly as a head oach, with singh acting as a Dir of Football, but that's just a guess. in any case, they have a chance to prove their worth in my book. the club itself retains my support, as whoever arrives will be here temporarily - either in the short term or the longer term.

It's much easier to try to prevent this appointment now by voicing our concerns, than to try to remove a disastrous manager. It took almost two years to rid ourselves of the horrific imposter, Kean. I believe we should all make it clear now that we have no wish to repeat this failed gamble. We Rovers fans, contrary to reports in some section of the media, aren't a greedy, unreasonable mob. We don't want to be Manchester United or Chelsea. All we want is a well run, normal club with a normal half decent manager, then we can all get back to enjoying some football.

fitz808 wrote:

Billypieman wrote:

fitz808 wrote: of course this smacks of making the same mistake as the kean appointment. however, it is completely wrong to be discussing boycotts and refusals to accept the new man before a) our approach has been given the green light by fulham, b) the rovers ownership has given the move a green light, b) billy mc has accepted the role, c) he has taken the club through a run of games. again, we have people presuming to know oh so much more than everyone else. we don't. i for one will give any arriving manager a fair crack of the whip when it comes to my support - even if that was allardyce again. the club's pursuit of an up and coming coach/manager is an interesting one, and of course a huge gamble which has already backfired. but it does not mean that it will backfire again, just as an experienced man is not a guarrantee of success. it also suggests to me that we will see the new man being used mainly as a head oach, with singh acting as a Dir of Football, but that's just a guess. in any case, they have a chance to prove their worth in my book. the club itself retains my support, as whoever arrives will be here temporarily - either in the short term or the longer term.

It's much easier to try to prevent this appointment now by voicing our concerns, than to try to remove a disastrous manager. It took almost two years to rid ourselves of the horrific imposter, Kean. I believe we should all make it clear now that we have no wish to repeat this failed gamble. We Rovers fans, contrary to reports in some section of the media, aren't a greedy, unreasonable mob. We don't want to be Manchester United or Chelsea. All we want is a well run, normal club with a normal half decent manager, then we can all get back to enjoying some football.

but what if he turned out to be an excellent manager? i think my point is just to suggest that we don't know what will happen. it's not even a 50/50 call. until we have fan ownership of the club, we are in the position of having to let others (the owners) make the appointments.
if you're going to essentially block this appointment on the basis that he has not managed before, then the assumption is that you would green-light an appointment of anyone that has managed before. but what if they turn out to be rubbish, you're left trying to remove a manager for the next two years by boycotting again. whereas if we accepted mckinlay into the job and he did well, then we would not be in a position of wanting to remove the manager.
until fans have contributed enough cash to take the club over, ultimately need to let others make the decisions about the club. i don't think protesting something until it has gone wrong is valid, unless it is clearly doomed to fail. i don't think billy m can be classified as doomed to fail.

benal13 wrote:
it is overwhelmingly clear now that the vast majority of the fans dont want mcinley for what ever reason at ewood, shaby must know it ,venkys must know it, and the rest of the clowns must know it. the vast majority have told them, be it on there own heads if he is appointed, at least we can say WE TOLD YOU SO befor they do something stupid !!!!!

MerlinTheVoiceofReas
on2 wrote:
Rovers' history of appointing coaches/ex-players as manager has been disastrous. Brian Kidd = Fail (Club relegated). Paul Ince = Fail (almost relegated). Steve Kean = Fail (Club relegated). Shebby, this is why the fans do not want Billy McKinlay. It's why Tim Sherwood would be a massive gamble. At least Shearer has dipped his toe into management. But please listen to Derek Shaw, who favours Ian Holloway, and make an approach - today.

MxMave wrote:

mellorb&w wrote:

MxMave wrote: If Mckinkey is appointed I shall not be returning to Ewood next season. It would show with absolutely no doubt that Venkys have alterior motives with BRFC. It would be an insult to suggest that Venkys don't know what thier doing, they know exactly what thier doing but the fans don't have a clue why thier doing it. We arn't going to be promoted this year, no matter what manager comes in, there are several better setups in this league than Rovers. If Mckinley is appointed then a mass boycot is the only course which the fans could take. It would be clear from that point on that the only way forward is to starve Venkys of cash to the point at which thier loosing more money than they can recoup and hope that they don't exact thier revenge by sending us to the bottom of league 2 before selling.

It's no wonder our support is ridiculed throughout the country. I would prefer a more experienced manager but if McKinlay gets the job then all "real" supporters should get behind him and the players. If he fails then by all means the boo boys can do their stuff.

This is why were in our current predicament. IF when the call went out last December after the Bolton game, the fans had stood united and said, no, were not going to go to any more matches until this is sorted out, we would in all likelyhood still be in the prem. The fans who say "im a true fan and even if gary glitter is recruiting 15 year olds to play, ill still support the team" are generally the fans who go and sit in the bar on match days and don't even glance up at the tv. At the end of the day most men, with balls and a wallet will exercise thier right to spend thier money in the right place and not just throw it at people who's sole purpose is to destroy something you love. If you love something so much that you are blinded by all that is going on around you and despite all advice and knowledge to the better you sit there, ignorant of the facts then it simply brings the debate to the point at which you would say - Do you really love BRFC ? Or is it a event within your life which you think enhances your social status? No true fan sits there whilst thier club is demolished, clapping away, wallet open, blue specs on.

up_norf wrote:
As an outsider and NOT a Burnley fan, I have to say it amuses me at the false ideas you Blackburn fans have. You ARE a small Chumpionship side with a core of 17- 18 thousand fans, smaller than a dozen or so in the Chumps. Do you really expect someone like Pep Guardiola to pitch up at He-Haw Park ? Get real boys, if you make the play-offs it would represent a decent seasdn !

Prophil wrote:
The problem is that Shebby Singh must know that, if he appoints a decent, experienced manager, his own position is redundant. If he appoints someone without managerial experience, he can claim that his own role is necessary in order to help, advise, and assist the 'new man to the job'.

From the new manager's point of view, no self-respecting, experienced manager will come into a position where the likes of an ex-TV pundit, who really doesn't have much of a clue as to how to run a complex business, are going to be setting targets, dictating transfer policy, and pontificating to the media.

We are in the middle of an almighty mess.

MxMave wrote:

mellorb&w wrote:

MxMave wrote:
If Mckinkey is appointed I shall not be returning to Ewood next season. It would show with absolutely no doubt that Venkys have alterior motives with BRFC. It would be an insult to suggest that Venkys don't know what thier doing, they know exactly what thier doing but the fans don't have a clue why thier doing it.

We arn't going to be promoted this year, no matter what manager comes in, there are several better setups in this league than Rovers.

If Mckinley is appointed then a mass boycot is the only course which the fans could take. It would be clear from that point on that the only way forward is to starve Venkys of cash to the point at which thier loosing more money than they can recoup and hope that they don't exact thier revenge by sending us to the bottom of league 2 before selling.

It's no wonder our support is ridiculed throughout the country. I would prefer a more experienced manager but if McKinlay gets the job then all "real" supporters should get behind him and the players. If he fails then by all means the boo boys can do their stuff.

This is why were in our current predicament.
IF when the call went out last December after the Bolton game, the fans had stood united and said, no, were not going to go to any more matches until this is sorted out, we would in all likelyhood still be in the prem.

The fans who say "im a true fan and even if gary glitter is recruiting 15 year olds to play, ill still support the team" are generally the fans who go and sit in the bar on match days and don't even glance up at the tv.

At the end of the day most men, with balls and a wallet will exercise thier right to spend thier money in the right place and not just throw it at people who's sole purpose is to destroy something you love.

If you love something so much that you are blinded by all that is going on around you and despite all advice and knowledge to the better you sit there, ignorant of the facts then it simply brings the debate to the point at which you would say - Do you really love BRFC ? Or is it a event within your life which you think enhances your social status?
No true fan sits there whilst thier club is demolished, clapping away, wallet open, blue specs on.

Norman T Wangler wrote:
Can I just ask if any of these stetements are correct:

our club was allegedly taken over by Indians who we were told were ‘only being advised’ by Jerome Anderson.

the club then sacked a well-respected authentic bona fide manger and replaced him with a nobody who (totally coincidentally) was Jerome Andersons client.

Then the first ‘player’ he signed was (coincidentally) Jerome Andersons son hailed as ‘the new Chris Smalling’ and who is no doubt being paid ‘new Chris Smalling’ size wages.

Then lots of signings were made where the agents fees to Jerome Anderson and his associates, or mystery associates, were astronomically (but coincidentally) over and above the going rate: i.e. approx. £1.4 million in agents fee for a £400,000 player when the going rate of 10% should have been a mere £40,000 –or in laymans terms 35 times the amount it should have been – and that’s just one of the deals made.

Then when the protests started the agent who is of course ‘nothing to do with our club’ then went on Sky Sports to claim Rovers fans were treating his employee unfairly (this action is unprecedented but its just a coincidence he did this) and also cry that the reason his son cant get a game in the Premier League for BRFC (he currently cant even get a game for Aldershot) is because us fans are so mean and don’t like him because of the totally coincidental connection he has to the people running/ruining our club.

Then several pundits on Sky TV (Paul Merson, Charlie Nicholas, and others who are also coincidentally also clients of Jerome Anderson/Kentaro) frequently bad mouth Rovers fans attempts getting the suspected cartel removed from Ewood Park branding us hooligans, militant and animals – something we have never been.

Also fans who dared to mention Jerome Anderson were threatened with solicitors letters threatening to sue them.

We watch deflated from the sidelines while the Police (whose salaries we pay for with our taxes) and the Stewards (who our ticket money pays for) protect the very people who we feel are systematically stripping one of Englands founding football clubs and also rush to remove any banner we hold up highlighting these facts

Then Kean ‘quits’ and is now suing the club for yet more money – more money going from BRFC to (coincidentally) a Jerome Anderson employee.

We are now looking at employing Billy McKinley who is another Jerome Anderson employee (another coincidence of course) and best mate of Steve Kean.

Allegedly Eric Black (our current interim manager is also a Kentaro/Anderson employee which is also yet another coincidence

Are any of these statements true?

70 years fan wrote:
I am puzzled why the fans want a "Experienced Manager" this really means we want someone who has been sacked from his previous job. It must be the only job where being sacked is the most important qualification.Iwonde

r how did sir alex or Wenger were given a chance?? Seventy years a rovers supporter

mellorb&w wrote:

Riverside 7 wrote:

mellorb&w wrote:

ash1995 wrote:
I don't know how many times yesterday I read comments stating that Mckinlay must be a good coach if Jol and fulham rate him. That is the point, he is a good coach NOT A GOOD MANAGER. If he was manger material do you not think Fulham would have turned to him instead of appointing Jol last time seeing as he was already at the club. Do you honestly think if Jol left tomorrow they would turn to McKinlay as their next manager? Why have no other clubs looking for managers (in any division) ever spotted this 'potential' as a number 1? Why has he not even as much as been linked with a managerial vacancy (in any division) - ever? Either Shebby has spotted something no one else has including his current employers who see him day in day out or there just may be an ulterior motive.

This whole thing stinks. As other people have already stated, the bottom line is Venky's and Singh are frightened to death of appointing an experienced manager who will have his own brain and will want full control of affairs (as is the case at normal football clubs). Instead they are looking for someone who otherwise would never have got an opportunity to manage a football club as long as they live. This way they will agree to anything just to get the job as this chance may never come around again. Does any of this remind you of our previous appointment?

None of this is anything personal against McKinlay. I'm sure he is very good at what he does at Fulham and if I was him I would stick with the cushy number he is on because if he is actually offered and accepts the job and then turns out to be merely a puppet (which is very likely) then its pretty likely his life will be made into a living hell just like the last puppet we employed.

Rant over!

Fair comments. At last a bit of intelligence on this site.

I agree, a good post Ash.

What we need (and most people are in agreement) is an experienced manager.

But Mellor B & W you must have changed your mind on McKinlay as you spent all yesterday championing his name as our future manager.

Haven't changed my mind about anything pal. Even if I don't agree with a post I can appreciate a reasonable and well made argument.
And actually if you read what I put properly, I wasn't championing McKinlay or anyone for that matter. I was just trying to put forward reasonable comments in the face of some mass hysteria. What I was mainly saying, I think, is that whoever is appointed we should get behind them and the players and at least give them a chance before unleashing the boo boys. What problem do you have with that.

greenscreener wrote:

70 years fan wrote:
I am puzzled why the fans want a "Experienced Manager" this really means we want someone who has been sacked from his previous job. It must be the only job where being sacked is the most important qualification.Iwonde


r how did sir alex or Wenger were given a chance?? Seventy years a rovers supporter

We need an experienced manager who knows how a football club is run because BRFC has been ripped apart over the last 2 years by these idiots and a rookie hasn't got a chance to succeed with no decent infrastructure around him.

We need a manager who knows not just how to pick and organise a team but he needs to know how to put a coaching team together, how to work in the transfer market, how to deal effectively with agents, how to handle the media.... we want someone who understands the basics of these things, I'm not asking for Sir Alex, just an experienced guy who isn't trying to learn it all on the job with no help from above !

jinkyjase wrote:
If he comes I'll back him. But to say it would be a disappointing would be a massive understatement.

I also wonder about his links to Kean. This rumour that Kean has money in the club and, therefore, some influence would do nothing to dispel it.

mellorb&w wrote:

Norman T Wangler wrote:
Can I just ask if any of these stetements are correct:

our club was allegedly taken over by Indians who we were told were ‘only being advised’ by Jerome Anderson.

the club then sacked a well-respected authentic bona fide manger and replaced him with a nobody who (totally coincidentally) was Jerome Andersons client.

Then the first ‘player’ he signed was (coincidentally) Jerome Andersons son hailed as ‘the new Chris Smalling’ and who is no doubt being paid ‘new Chris Smalling’ size wages.

Then lots of signings were made where the agents fees to Jerome Anderson and his associates, or mystery associates, were astronomically (but coincidentally) over and above the going rate: i.e. approx. £1.4 million in agents fee for a £400,000 player when the going rate of 10% should have been a mere £40,000 –or in laymans terms 35 times the amount it should have been – and that’s just one of the deals made.

Then when the protests started the agent who is of course ‘nothing to do with our club’ then went on Sky Sports to claim Rovers fans were treating his employee unfairly (this action is unprecedented but its just a coincidence he did this) and also cry that the reason his son cant get a game in the Premier League for BRFC (he currently cant even get a game for Aldershot) is because us fans are so mean and don’t like him because of the totally coincidental connection he has to the people running/ruining our club.

Then several pundits on Sky TV (Paul Merson, Charlie Nicholas, and others who are also coincidentally also clients of Jerome Anderson/Kentaro) frequently bad mouth Rovers fans attempts getting the suspected cartel removed from Ewood Park branding us hooligans, militant and animals – something we have never been.

Also fans who dared to mention Jerome Anderson were threatened with solicitors letters threatening to sue them.

We watch deflated from the sidelines while the Police (whose salaries we pay for with our taxes) and the Stewards (who our ticket money pays for) protect the very people who we feel are systematically stripping one of Englands founding football clubs and also rush to remove any banner we hold up highlighting these facts

Then Kean ‘quits’ and is now suing the club for yet more money – more money going from BRFC to (coincidentally) a Jerome Anderson employee.

We are now looking at employing Billy McKinley who is another Jerome Anderson employee (another coincidence of course) and best mate of Steve Kean.

Allegedly Eric Black (our current interim manager is also a Kentaro/Anderson employee which is also yet another coincidence

Are any of these statements true?

Do you know for a fact that McKinlay is an EMPLOYEE of Kentaro/SEM ?

Riverside 7 wrote:

mellorb&w wrote:

Riverside 7 wrote:

mellorb&w wrote:

ash1995 wrote:
I don't know how many times yesterday I read comments stating that Mckinlay must be a good coach if Jol and fulham rate him. That is the point, he is a good coach NOT A GOOD MANAGER. If he was manger material do you not think Fulham would have turned to him instead of appointing Jol last time seeing as he was already at the club. Do you honestly think if Jol left tomorrow they would turn to McKinlay as their next manager? Why have no other clubs looking for managers (in any division) ever spotted this 'potential' as a number 1? Why has he not even as much as been linked with a managerial vacancy (in any division) - ever? Either Shebby has spotted something no one else has including his current employers who see him day in day out or there just may be an ulterior motive.

This whole thing stinks. As other people have already stated, the bottom line is Venky's and Singh are frightened to death of appointing an experienced manager who will have his own brain and will want full control of affairs (as is the case at normal football clubs). Instead they are looking for someone who otherwise would never have got an opportunity to manage a football club as long as they live. This way they will agree to anything just to get the job as this chance may never come around again. Does any of this remind you of our previous appointment?

None of this is anything personal against McKinlay. I'm sure he is very good at what he does at Fulham and if I was him I would stick with the cushy number he is on because if he is actually offered and accepts the job and then turns out to be merely a puppet (which is very likely) then its pretty likely his life will be made into a living hell just like the last puppet we employed.

Rant over!

Fair comments. At last a bit of intelligence on this site.

I agree, a good post Ash.

What we need (and most people are in agreement) is an experienced manager.

But Mellor B & W you must have changed your mind on McKinlay as you spent all yesterday championing his name as our future manager.

Haven't changed my mind about anything pal. Even if I don't agree with a post I can appreciate a reasonable and well made argument.
And actually if you read what I put properly, I wasn't championing McKinlay or anyone for that matter. I was just trying to put forward reasonable comments in the face of some mass hysteria. What I was mainly saying, I think, is that whoever is appointed we should get behind them and the players and at least give them a chance before unleashing the boo boys. What problem do you have with that.

Oh sorry, so it wasn't you who said that you would be happy with either Sherwood, Shearer or McKinlay as our new manager with Dalglish as their mentor (as if that would happen).

Perhaps those pints of Guiness are affecting your memory pal.

Ash's post rightly argues that although McKinlay might well be a good coach, he was not considered good enough for Fulham when they selected Hughes and Jol as their last two managers.

Additionally as far as I aware, McKinlay is not on he shortlist for any of the other vacant positions - so why are we the only club to be keen on appointing him as manager?

It could be that he is a relatively cheap option, it could be the Kean, SEM, JA connection.
I don't know.

But surely going for an experienced manager is the right thing to do.

My choice would be OGS and I see that Molde are joint top with Rosenberg with 4 games to play. They have a crunch game with Rosenberg this Sunday which could well decide the outcome.

If we must appoint an ex-player, we could do worse than look at Keith Hill.
At least he has had some success as a manager - albeit in the lower leagues.

MerlinTheVoiceofReas
on2 wrote:
The bit about Mourinho made me laugh my socks off.
http://www.independe

nt.co.uk/sport/footb

all/football-league/

rovers-fans-threaten

-boycott-over-mckinl

ay-8222069.html

70 years fan wrote:
I am puzzled why the fans want a "Experienced Manager" this really means we want someone who has been sacked from his previous job. It must be the only job where being sacked is the most important qualification.Iwonde

r how did sir alex or Wenger were given a chance?? Seventy years a rovers supporter

old man rover wrote:
To those people who keep calling for an experienced manager: How do managers become managers if no-one is prepared to give them a first attempt at the job? All the "experienced" managers in the running for the Rovers job have been sacked for failing to avoid relegation. Holloway even took his team down from Championship to League 1. No appointment is risk-free. We would have to take a chance on someone whoever he was. Better to get someone on the way up than the way down.

mellorb&w wrote:

Riverside 7 wrote:

mellorb&w wrote:

Riverside 7 wrote:

mellorb&w wrote:

ash1995 wrote:
I don't know how many times yesterday I read comments stating that Mckinlay must be a good coach if Jol and fulham rate him. That is the point, he is a good coach NOT A GOOD MANAGER. If he was manger material do you not think Fulham would have turned to him instead of appointing Jol last time seeing as he was already at the club. Do you honestly think if Jol left tomorrow they would turn to McKinlay as their next manager? Why have no other clubs looking for managers (in any division) ever spotted this 'potential' as a number 1? Why has he not even as much as been linked with a managerial vacancy (in any division) - ever? Either Shebby has spotted something no one else has including his current employers who see him day in day out or there just may be an ulterior motive.

This whole thing stinks. As other people have already stated, the bottom line is Venky's and Singh are frightened to death of appointing an experienced manager who will have his own brain and will want full control of affairs (as is the case at normal football clubs). Instead they are looking for someone who otherwise would never have got an opportunity to manage a football club as long as they live. This way they will agree to anything just to get the job as this chance may never come around again. Does any of this remind you of our previous appointment?

None of this is anything personal against McKinlay. I'm sure he is very good at what he does at Fulham and if I was him I would stick with the cushy number he is on because if he is actually offered and accepts the job and then turns out to be merely a puppet (which is very likely) then its pretty likely his life will be made into a living hell just like the last puppet we employed.

Rant over!

Fair comments. At last a bit of intelligence on this site.

I agree, a good post Ash.

What we need (and most people are in agreement) is an experienced manager.

But Mellor B & W you must have changed your mind on McKinlay as you spent all yesterday championing his name as our future manager.

Haven't changed my mind about anything pal. Even if I don't agree with a post I can appreciate a reasonable and well made argument.
And actually if you read what I put properly, I wasn't championing McKinlay or anyone for that matter. I was just trying to put forward reasonable comments in the face of some mass hysteria. What I was mainly saying, I think, is that whoever is appointed we should get behind them and the players and at least give them a chance before unleashing the boo boys. What problem do you have with that.

Oh sorry, so it wasn't you who said that you would be happy with either Sherwood, Shearer or McKinlay as our new manager with Dalglish as their mentor (as if that would happen).

Perhaps those pints of Guiness are affecting your memory pal.

Ash's post rightly argues that although McKinlay might well be a good coach, he was not considered good enough for Fulham when they selected Hughes and Jol as their last two managers.

Additionally as far as I aware, McKinlay is not on he shortlist for any of the other vacant positions - so why are we the only club to be keen on appointing him as manager?

It could be that he is a relatively cheap option, it could be the Kean, SEM, JA connection.
I don't know.

But surely going for an experienced manager is the right thing to do.

My choice would be OGS and I see that Molde are joint top with Rosenberg with 4 games to play. They have a crunch game with Rosenberg this Sunday which could well decide the outcome.

If we must appoint an ex-player, we could do worse than look at Keith Hill.
At least he has had some success as a manager - albeit in the lower leagues.

Saying I would be happy with an appointment that was made is not the same as "championing" someone as you put it. Clear enough for you ?”

70 years fan wrote:
I am puzzled why the fans want a "Experienced Manager" this really means we want someone who has been sacked from his previous job. It must be the only job where being sacked is the most important qualification.Iwonde

r how did sir alex or Wenger were given a chance?? Seventy years a rovers supporter

Norman T Wangler wrote:

mellorb&w wrote:

Norman T Wangler wrote:
Can I just ask if any of these stetements are correct:

our club was allegedly taken over by Indians who we were told were ‘only being advised’ by Jerome Anderson.

the club then sacked a well-respected authentic bona fide manger and replaced him with a nobody who (totally coincidentally) was Jerome Andersons client.

Then the first ‘player’ he signed was (coincidentally) Jerome Andersons son hailed as ‘the new Chris Smalling’ and who is no doubt being paid ‘new Chris Smalling’ size wages.

Then lots of signings were made where the agents fees to Jerome Anderson and his associates, or mystery associates, were astronomically (but coincidentally) over and above the going rate: i.e. approx. £1.4 million in agents fee for a £400,000 player when the going rate of 10% should have been a mere £40,000 –or in laymans terms 35 times the amount it should have been – and that’s just one of the deals made.

Then when the protests started the agent who is of course ‘nothing to do with our club’ then went on Sky Sports to claim Rovers fans were treating his employee unfairly (this action is unprecedented but its just a coincidence he did this) and also cry that the reason his son cant get a game in the Premier League for BRFC (he currently cant even get a game for Aldershot) is because us fans are so mean and don’t like him because of the totally coincidental connection he has to the people running/ruining our club.

Then several pundits on Sky TV (Paul Merson, Charlie Nicholas, and others who are also coincidentally also clients of Jerome Anderson/Kentaro) frequently bad mouth Rovers fans attempts getting the suspected cartel removed from Ewood Park branding us hooligans, militant and animals – something we have never been.

Also fans who dared to mention Jerome Anderson were threatened with solicitors letters threatening to sue them.

We watch deflated from the sidelines while the Police (whose salaries we pay for with our taxes) and the Stewards (who our ticket money pays for) protect the very people who we feel are systematically stripping one of Englands founding football clubs and also rush to remove any banner we hold up highlighting these facts

Then Kean ‘quits’ and is now suing the club for yet more money – more money going from BRFC to (coincidentally) a Jerome Anderson employee.

We are now looking at employing Billy McKinley who is another Jerome Anderson employee (another coincidence of course) and best mate of Steve Kean.

Allegedly Eric Black (our current interim manager is also a Kentaro/Anderson employee which is also yet another coincidence

Are any of these statements true?

Do you know for a fact that McKinlay is an EMPLOYEE of Kentaro/SEM ?

look at the top of my post. im asking you if he is. they are just rumours and total oincidences ive heard. i heard he is. and if he actually is im convinced it would just be a coincidence.

Riverside 7 wrote:

mellorb&w wrote:

Riverside 7 wrote:

mellorb&w wrote:

Riverside 7 wrote:

mellorb&w wrote:

ash1995 wrote:
I don't know how many times yesterday I read comments stating that Mckinlay must be a good coach if Jol and fulham rate him. That is the point, he is a good coach NOT A GOOD MANAGER. If he was manger material do you not think Fulham would have turned to him instead of appointing Jol last time seeing as he was already at the club. Do you honestly think if Jol left tomorrow they would turn to McKinlay as their next manager? Why have no other clubs looking for managers (in any division) ever spotted this 'potential' as a number 1? Why has he not even as much as been linked with a managerial vacancy (in any division) - ever? Either Shebby has spotted something no one else has including his current employers who see him day in day out or there just may be an ulterior motive.

This whole thing stinks. As other people have already stated, the bottom line is Venky's and Singh are frightened to death of appointing an experienced manager who will have his own brain and will want full control of affairs (as is the case at normal football clubs). Instead they are looking for someone who otherwise would never have got an opportunity to manage a football club as long as they live. This way they will agree to anything just to get the job as this chance may never come around again. Does any of this remind you of our previous appointment?

None of this is anything personal against McKinlay. I'm sure he is very good at what he does at Fulham and if I was him I would stick with the cushy number he is on because if he is actually offered and accepts the job and then turns out to be merely a puppet (which is very likely) then its pretty likely his life will be made into a living hell just like the last puppet we employed.

Rant over!

Fair comments. At last a bit of intelligence on this site.

I agree, a good post Ash.

What we need (and most people are in agreement) is an experienced manager.

But Mellor B & W you must have changed your mind on McKinlay as you spent all yesterday championing his name as our future manager.

Haven't changed my mind about anything pal. Even if I don't agree with a post I can appreciate a reasonable and well made argument.
And actually if you read what I put properly, I wasn't championing McKinlay or anyone for that matter. I was just trying to put forward reasonable comments in the face of some mass hysteria. What I was mainly saying, I think, is that whoever is appointed we should get behind them and the players and at least give them a chance before unleashing the boo boys. What problem do you have with that.

Oh sorry, so it wasn't you who said that you would be happy with either Sherwood, Shearer or McKinlay as our new manager with Dalglish as their mentor (as if that would happen).

Perhaps those pints of Guiness are affecting your memory pal.

Ash's post rightly argues that although McKinlay might well be a good coach, he was not considered good enough for Fulham when they selected Hughes and Jol as their last two managers.

Additionally as far as I aware, McKinlay is not on he shortlist for any of the other vacant positions - so why are we the only club to be keen on appointing him as manager?

It could be that he is a relatively cheap option, it could be the Kean, SEM, JA connection.
I don't know.

But surely going for an experienced manager is the right thing to do.

My choice would be OGS and I see that Molde are joint top with Rosenberg with 4 games to play. They have a crunch game with Rosenberg this Sunday which could well decide the outcome.

If we must appoint an ex-player, we could do worse than look at Keith Hill.
At least he has had some success as a manager - albeit in the lower leagues.

Saying I would be happy with an appointment that was made is not the same as "championing" someone as you put it. Clear enough for you ?”

Sorry but your position is not clear.

On one hand you say that you would be happy with McKinlay as manager but on the other you also agree with Ash's comments?

Ash's post clearly argues why McKinlay should not be offered the manager's job.

Additionally you spent all yesterday strongy defending McKinlay as if he was your brother.

I've nothing against the guy personally but I don't want him back as manager.
Is that clear enough for you?

Can we leave it at that please as it is getting a little tedious.

I am sure that we both want the best for BRFC and I just hope that when the manager is finally selected he is someone that we can all fully support.

blueblooded wrote:
I so want to work for Venky's.. The bar for failure and dismissal seems lower than even for our political parties... You have to resign in order to leave and they pay you millions for being crap at your job!

I love you Venky's.. Now p!ss off out of Rovers but don't forget that Managing Director's job I'm clearly qualified to do at the Hatcheries since I know as much about managing a chicken business as the confused Singh and your late manager do about football management.

bbf70 wrote:
It would be nice to get a comment from a representative of the Walker foundation Andy. get on it mate. be interesting to hear their view on events at rovers over the last year or so.

Steven Kean wrote:
up the clarets

Steven Kean wrote:
up the clarets

up_norf wrote:
As an outsider and NOT a Burnley fan, I have to say it amuses me at the false ideas you Blackburn fans have.
You ARE a small Chumpionship side with a core of 17- 18 thousand fans, smaller than a dozen or so in the Chumps.
Do you really expect someone like Pep Guardiola to pitch up at He-Haw Park ?
Get real boys, if you make the play-offs it would represent a decent seasdn !

blues bar rover wrote:

up_norf wrote:
As an outsider and NOT a Burnley fan, I have to say it amuses me at the false ideas you Blackburn fans have.
You ARE a small Chumpionship side with a core of 17- 18 thousand fans, smaller than a dozen or so in the Chumps.
Do you really expect someone like Pep Guardiola to pitch up at He-Haw Park ?
Get real boys, if you make the play-offs it would represent a decent seasdn !

GOODBYE AND JOG ON MATE

1riversider wrote:
Day by day, it becomes ever more clear that we, the fans, are being lied to by the Three Stooges. Where are the "big names" who allegedly applied for the job? They never existed, and no self respecting "football man" would EVER work for this bunch of cretins. That is why we are left chasing number 2s from other clubs. P*ss up and brewery!!

I've asked the question before, and will ask again - would you work for a management team of Singh, Shaw and Agnew? Thought not.

Sadly, OUR CLUB is on a downward spiral, which will continue until this bunch of CRETINS are history.

SHYSTERS GET OUT OF OUR CLUB NOW

Iiii1111 wrote:
Something is very wrong here……..A proven manager like Duggie Freeman is willing to walk over broken coals for a 500K a year contract offer at Bolton, which Crystal Palace can’t match, yet Rovers aren’t interested in such a manager (throw Grayson /Hill in that category) they’d sooner pay millions to a coach……..How much was Kean’s contract????....some

thing very fishy here….championship managers aren’t on million pound contracts!!!!!!.....

wampam wrote:
McKinley must have been a smokescreen,except that I'm not too sure they could effectively create a smokescreen if they tried. V confusing. Hope Grayson is appointed soon.....even Shearer. McKinley... dont make me laugh. He was never coming as manager

Nuttall Street wrote:
It's Official! Shabby Singh has finally had a breakdown. His claim reported in the Independent to want to hire an unblemished English manager (apparently Billy McKinlay, although I wouldn't have thought he qualifies on either count) to nurture into the next Jose Mourinho goes well beyond Shabby's normal over-vaulting self-aggrandisement. This is like a man with no ars@ trying to ****.

icannotrace wrote:
Statement from BRAG reads:

“We have had thousands of supporters contact us in the last few days demanding that the BRFC Action Group takes immediate action to prevent Blackburn Rovers appointing a manager unwanted by the supporter base,”

Just who do BRAG think they are the East Lancs Gestapo?

McKinley might not be the right man but it's not up to you. All you can do is either turn up and support the team or stay away.

I'd like to ask BRAG what's happened to all this evidence you supplied to the FA etc. that was going to expose what was going on at Ewood an bring the house down?

roverboy1uk wrote:
Why dont all you know alls with the big gobs, put your names forward for the job, you seem to know how to run a football club better than anyone else, just grow up and give whoever comes in a chance. Just my opinion.

icannotrace wrote:
Statement from BRAG reads:

“We have had thousands of supporters contact us in the last few days demanding that the BRFC Action Group takes immediate action to prevent Blackburn Rovers appointing a manager unwanted by the supporter base,”

Just who do BRAG think they are the East Lancs Gestapo?

McKinley might not be the right man but it's not up to you. All you can do is either turn up and support the team or stay away.

I'd like to ask BRAG what's happened to all this evidence you supplied to the FA etc. that was going to expose what was going on at Ewood an bring the house down?

Rovers1975 wrote:

icannotrace wrote:
Statement from BRAG reads:

“We have had thousands of supporters contact us in the last few days demanding that the BRFC Action Group takes immediate action to prevent Blackburn Rovers appointing a manager unwanted by the supporter base,”

Just who do BRAG think they are the East Lancs Gestapo?

McKinley might not be the right man but it's not up to you. All you can do is either turn up and support the team or stay away.

I'd like to ask BRAG what's happened to all this evidence you supplied to the FA etc. that was going to expose what was going on at Ewood an bring the house down?

I'm not sure if you had noticed over the last 2 years but the current owners have made it absolutely clear THEY ARE NOT FIT TO OWN A FOOTBALL CLUB! Because of this fact and the fact they have made a string of catastrophic decisions (which started by sacking Sam Allardyce and is currently at the point of how to make an absolute shambles of appointing a new manager) BRAG have attempted to salvage the club from further disaster. Whats the alternative, to just to sit back and carry on watching a bunch of football ignorant shysters continue their abysmal reign of destruction?

There is some Indian woman and her odd ball family making decisions about an institution that has been part of peoples lives for generations, who didn't even know a fookin football was round untill a couple of years ago!

I thought I'd seen the last of mine and others rants once that lying drunkard fraud Kean had gone but guess what, posts like that combined with Venkys and all the associated rats have brought it all flooding back.

Rant over. For now.

mellorb&w wrote:

Norman T Wangler wrote:
Can I just ask if any of these stetements are correct:

our club was allegedly taken over by Indians who we were told were ‘only being advised’ by Jerome Anderson.

the club then sacked a well-respected authentic bona fide manger and replaced him with a nobody who (totally coincidentally) was Jerome Andersons client.

Then the first ‘player’ he signed was (coincidentally) Jerome Andersons son hailed as ‘the new Chris Smalling’ and who is no doubt being paid ‘new Chris Smalling’ size wages.

Then lots of signings were made where the agents fees to Jerome Anderson and his associates, or mystery associates, were astronomically (but coincidentally) over and above the going rate: i.e. approx. £1.4 million in agents fee for a £400,000 player when the going rate of 10% should have been a mere £40,000 –or in laymans terms 35 times the amount it should have been – and that’s just one of the deals made.

Then when the protests started the agent who is of course ‘nothing to do with our club’ then went on Sky Sports to claim Rovers fans were treating his employee unfairly (this action is unprecedented but its just a coincidence he did this) and also cry that the reason his son cant get a game in the Premier League for BRFC (he currently cant even get a game for Aldershot) is because us fans are so mean and don’t like him because of the totally coincidental connection he has to the people running/ruining our club.

Then several pundits on Sky TV (Paul Merson, Charlie Nicholas, and others who are also coincidentally also clients of Jerome Anderson/Kentaro) frequently bad mouth Rovers fans attempts getting the suspected cartel removed from Ewood Park branding us hooligans, militant and animals – something we have never been.

Also fans who dared to mention Jerome Anderson were threatened with solicitors letters threatening to sue them.

We watch deflated from the sidelines while the Police (whose salaries we pay for with our taxes) and the Stewards (who our ticket money pays for) protect the very people who we feel are systematically stripping one of Englands founding football clubs and also rush to remove any banner we hold up highlighting these facts

Then Kean ‘quits’ and is now suing the club for yet more money – more money going from BRFC to (coincidentally) a Jerome Anderson employee.

We are now looking at employing Billy McKinley who is another Jerome Anderson employee (another coincidence of course) and best mate of Steve Kean.

Allegedly Eric Black (our current interim manager is also a Kentaro/Anderson employee which is also yet another coincidence

Are any of these statements true?

Do you know for a fact that McKinlay is an EMPLOYEE of Kentaro/SEM ?

Rovers1975 wrote:

icannotrace wrote:
Statement from BRAG reads:

“We have had thousands of supporters contact us in the last few days demanding that the BRFC Action Group takes immediate action to prevent Blackburn Rovers appointing a manager unwanted by the supporter base,”

Just who do BRAG think they are the East Lancs Gestapo?

McKinley might not be the right man but it's not up to you. All you can do is either turn up and support the team or stay away.

I'd like to ask BRAG what's happened to all this evidence you supplied to the FA etc. that was going to expose what was going on at Ewood an bring the house down?

I'm not sure if you had noticed over the last 2 years but the current owners have made it absolutely clear THEY ARE NOT FIT TO OWN A FOOTBALL CLUB! Because of this fact and the fact they have made a string of catastrophic decisions (which started by sacking Sam Allardyce and is currently at the point of how to make an absolute shambles of appointing a new manager) BRAG have attempted to salvage the club from further disaster. Whats the alternative, to just to sit back and carry on watching a bunch of football ignorant shysters continue their abysmal reign of destruction?

There is some Indian woman and her odd ball family making decisions about an institution that has been part of peoples lives for generations, who didn't even know a fookin football was round untill a couple of years ago!

I thought I'd seen the last of mine and others rants once that lying drunkard fraud Kean had gone but guess what, posts like that combined with Venkys and all the associated rats have brought it all flooding back.

Rant over. For now.

Rovers1975 wrote:

icannotrace wrote:
Statement from BRAG reads:

“We have had thousands of supporters contact us in the last few days demanding that the BRFC Action Group takes immediate action to prevent Blackburn Rovers appointing a manager unwanted by the supporter base,”

Just who do BRAG think they are the East Lancs Gestapo?

McKinley might not be the right man but it's not up to you. All you can do is either turn up and support the team or stay away.

I'd like to ask BRAG what's happened to all this evidence you supplied to the FA etc. that was going to expose what was going on at Ewood an bring the house down?

I'm not sure if you had noticed over the last 2 years but the current owners have made it absolutely clear THEY ARE NOT FIT TO OWN A FOOTBALL CLUB! Because of this fact and the fact they have made a string of catastrophic decisions (which started by sacking Sam Allardyce and is currently at the point of how to make an absolute shambles of appointing a new manager) BRAG have attempted to salvage the club from further disaster. Whats the alternative, to just to sit back and carry on watching a bunch of football ignorant shysters continue their abysmal reign of destruction?

There is some Indian woman and her odd ball family making decisions about an institution that has been part of peoples lives for generations, who didn't even know a fookin football was round untill a couple of years ago!

I thought I'd seen the last of mine and others rants once that lying drunkard fraud Kean had gone but guess what, posts like that combined with Venkys and all the associated rats have brought it all flooding back.

Rant over. For now.

Dan11 wrote:
Bolton have got their man in charge for tonights match in the space of what a week or two?
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We are still scratching around for a manager into the fifth week now, with a liability in Black still at the helm.
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The number one criteria for the next rovers manager seems to be nothing to do with managerial ability or promise, and more to do with ex rovers players who will keep the fans happy.
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You idiots, what will make the fans happy is a experienced competent coach who can get us promoted at the end of the season. Not an ex Rovers players who puts the cones out for training session for a premier league club!!!

RUinsane wrote:

Dan11 wrote:
Bolton have got their man in charge for tonights match in the space of what a week or two?
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We are still scratching around for a manager into the fifth week now, with a liability in Black still at the helm.
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The number one criteria for the next rovers manager seems to be nothing to do with managerial ability or promise, and more to do with ex rovers players who will keep the fans happy.
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You idiots, what will make the fans happy is a experienced competent coach who can get us promoted at the end of the season. Not an ex Rovers players who puts the cones out for training session for a premier league club!!!

What about Simon Grayson? he's an ex player i'd gladly have at the helm.

MerlinTheVoiceofReas
on2 wrote:
Rovers' history of appointing coaches/ex-players as manager has been disastrous. Brian Kidd = Fail (Club relegated). Paul Ince = Fail (almost relegated). Steve Kean = Fail (Club relegated). Shebby, this is why the fans do not want Billy McKinlay. It's why Tim Sherwood would be a massive gamble. At least Shearer has dipped his toe into management. But please listen to Derek Shaw, who favours Ian Holloway, and make an approach - today.

Riverside 7 wrote:

mellorb&w wrote:

Riverside 7 wrote:

mellorb&w wrote:

Riverside 7 wrote:

mellorb&w wrote:

ash1995 wrote:
I don't know how many times yesterday I read comments stating that Mckinlay must be a good coach if Jol and fulham rate him. That is the point, he is a good coach NOT A GOOD MANAGER. If he was manger material do you not think Fulham would have turned to him instead of appointing Jol last time seeing as he was already at the club. Do you honestly think if Jol left tomorrow they would turn to McKinlay as their next manager? Why have no other clubs looking for managers (in any division) ever spotted this 'potential' as a number 1? Why has he not even as much as been linked with a managerial vacancy (in any division) - ever? Either Shebby has spotted something no one else has including his current employers who see him day in day out or there just may be an ulterior motive.

This whole thing stinks. As other people have already stated, the bottom line is Venky's and Singh are frightened to death of appointing an experienced manager who will have his own brain and will want full control of affairs (as is the case at normal football clubs). Instead they are looking for someone who otherwise would never have got an opportunity to manage a football club as long as they live. This way they will agree to anything just to get the job as this chance may never come around again. Does any of this remind you of our previous appointment?

None of this is anything personal against McKinlay. I'm sure he is very good at what he does at Fulham and if I was him I would stick with the cushy number he is on because if he is actually offered and accepts the job and then turns out to be merely a puppet (which is very likely) then its pretty likely his life will be made into a living hell just like the last puppet we employed.

Rant over!

Fair comments. At last a bit of intelligence on this site.

I agree, a good post Ash.

What we need (and most people are in agreement) is an experienced manager.

But Mellor B & W you must have changed your mind on McKinlay as you spent all yesterday championing his name as our future manager.

Haven't changed my mind about anything pal. Even if I don't agree with a post I can appreciate a reasonable and well made argument.
And actually if you read what I put properly, I wasn't championing McKinlay or anyone for that matter. I was just trying to put forward reasonable comments in the face of some mass hysteria. What I was mainly saying, I think, is that whoever is appointed we should get behind them and the players and at least give them a chance before unleashing the boo boys. What problem do you have with that.

Oh sorry, so it wasn't you who said that you would be happy with either Sherwood, Shearer or McKinlay as our new manager with Dalglish as their mentor (as if that would happen).

Perhaps those pints of Guiness are affecting your memory pal.

Ash's post rightly argues that although McKinlay might well be a good coach, he was not considered good enough for Fulham when they selected Hughes and Jol as their last two managers.

Additionally as far as I aware, McKinlay is not on he shortlist for any of the other vacant positions - so why are we the only club to be keen on appointing him as manager?

It could be that he is a relatively cheap option, it could be the Kean, SEM, JA connection.
I don't know.

But surely going for an experienced manager is the right thing to do.

My choice would be OGS and I see that Molde are joint top with Rosenberg with 4 games to play. They have a crunch game with Rosenberg this Sunday which could well decide the outcome.

If we must appoint an ex-player, we could do worse than look at Keith Hill.
At least he has had some success as a manager - albeit in the lower leagues.

Saying I would be happy with an appointment that was made is not the same as "championing" someone as you put it. Clear enough for you ?”

Sorry but your position is not clear.

On one hand you say that you would be happy with McKinlay as manager but on the other you also agree with Ash's comments?

Ash's post clearly argues why McKinlay should not be offered the manager's job.

Additionally you spent all yesterday strongy defending McKinlay as if he was your brother.

I've nothing against the guy personally but I don't want him back as manager.
Is that clear enough for you?

Can we leave it at that please as it is getting a little tedious.

I am sure that we both want the best for BRFC and I just hope that when the manager is finally selected he is someone that we can all fully support.

roverboy1uk wrote:
Why dont all you know alls with the big gobs, put your names forward for the job, you seem to know how to run a football club better than anyone else, just grow up and give whoever comes in a chance. Just my opinion.

kenbro wrote:
Experienced manager 3 million a year. An inexperienced coach 1 million a year. Any effect on the selection ?

hornbypeggy wrote:
Billy Mckinley was a cracking player tough , took no prisoners well worth his place. So lets not call him fit to burn he is a good guy. I agree with you all he is not the high profile manager we need but lets think about the situation we have, what manager worth his salt would want to come to the Rovers with the fiasco thats going on.
I feel we are going to have to accept a fringe manager and hope like hell he succeeds. The situation is in fact a disaster.

Blueblood95 wrote:

Riverside 7 wrote:

mellorb&w wrote:

Riverside 7 wrote:

mellorb&w wrote:

Riverside 7 wrote:

mellorb&w wrote:

ash1995 wrote:
I don't know how many times yesterday I read comments stating that Mckinlay must be a good coach if Jol and fulham rate him. That is the point, he is a good coach NOT A GOOD MANAGER. If he was manger material do you not think Fulham would have turned to him instead of appointing Jol last time seeing as he was already at the club. Do you honestly think if Jol left tomorrow they would turn to McKinlay as their next manager? Why have no other clubs looking for managers (in any division) ever spotted this 'potential' as a number 1? Why has he not even as much as been linked with a managerial vacancy (in any division) - ever? Either Shebby has spotted something no one else has including his current employers who see him day in day out or there just may be an ulterior motive.

This whole thing stinks. As other people have already stated, the bottom line is Venky's and Singh are frightened to death of appointing an experienced manager who will have his own brain and will want full control of affairs (as is the case at normal football clubs). Instead they are looking for someone who otherwise would never have got an opportunity to manage a football club as long as they live. This way they will agree to anything just to get the job as this chance may never come around again. Does any of this remind you of our previous appointment?

None of this is anything personal against McKinlay. I'm sure he is very good at what he does at Fulham and if I was him I would stick with the cushy number he is on because if he is actually offered and accepts the job and then turns out to be merely a puppet (which is very likely) then its pretty likely his life will be made into a living hell just like the last puppet we employed.

Rant over!

Fair comments. At last a bit of intelligence on this site.

I agree, a good post Ash.

What we need (and most people are in agreement) is an experienced manager.

But Mellor B & W you must have changed your mind on McKinlay as you spent all yesterday championing his name as our future manager.

Haven't changed my mind about anything pal. Even if I don't agree with a post I can appreciate a reasonable and well made argument.
And actually if you read what I put properly, I wasn't championing McKinlay or anyone for that matter. I was just trying to put forward reasonable comments in the face of some mass hysteria. What I was mainly saying, I think, is that whoever is appointed we should get behind them and the players and at least give them a chance before unleashing the boo boys. What problem do you have with that.

Oh sorry, so it wasn't you who said that you would be happy with either Sherwood, Shearer or McKinlay as our new manager with Dalglish as their mentor (as if that would happen).

Perhaps those pints of Guiness are affecting your memory pal.

Ash's post rightly argues that although McKinlay might well be a good coach, he was not considered good enough for Fulham when they selected Hughes and Jol as their last two managers.

Additionally as far as I aware, McKinlay is not on he shortlist for any of the other vacant positions - so why are we the only club to be keen on appointing him as manager?

It could be that he is a relatively cheap option, it could be the Kean, SEM, JA connection.
I don't know.

But surely going for an experienced manager is the right thing to do.

My choice would be OGS and I see that Molde are joint top with Rosenberg with 4 games to play. They have a crunch game with Rosenberg this Sunday which could well decide the outcome.

If we must appoint an ex-player, we could do worse than look at Keith Hill.
At least he has had some success as a manager - albeit in the lower leagues.

Saying I would be happy with an appointment that was made is not the same as "championing" someone as you put it. Clear enough for you ?”

Sorry but your position is not clear.

On one hand you say that you would be happy with McKinlay as manager but on the other you also agree with Ash's comments?

Ash's post clearly argues why McKinlay should not be offered the manager's job.

Additionally you spent all yesterday strongy defending McKinlay as if he was your brother.

I've nothing against the guy personally but I don't want him back as manager.
Is that clear enough for you?

Can we leave it at that please as it is getting a little tedious.

I am sure that we both want the best for BRFC and I just hope that when the manager is finally selected he is someone that we can all fully support.

Sorry to butt into this lttle squabble but Riverside you really are a prat. Mellor might be misguided in his support for McKinlay but there is no contradiction of what he's posted today and what he posted yeterday. You both need to get yourselves a life.
Ok girls, carry on.

Blueblood95 wrote:

Riverside 7 wrote:

mellorb&w wrote:

Riverside 7 wrote:

mellorb&w wrote:

Riverside 7 wrote:

mellorb&w wrote:

ash1995 wrote:
I don't know how many times yesterday I read comments stating that Mckinlay must be a good coach if Jol and fulham rate him. That is the point, he is a good coach NOT A GOOD MANAGER. If he was manger material do you not think Fulham would have turned to him instead of appointing Jol last time seeing as he was already at the club. Do you honestly think if Jol left tomorrow they would turn to McKinlay as their next manager? Why have no other clubs looking for managers (in any division) ever spotted this 'potential' as a number 1? Why has he not even as much as been linked with a managerial vacancy (in any division) - ever? Either Shebby has spotted something no one else has including his current employers who see him day in day out or there just may be an ulterior motive.

This whole thing stinks. As other people have already stated, the bottom line is Venky's and Singh are frightened to death of appointing an experienced manager who will have his own brain and will want full control of affairs (as is the case at normal football clubs). Instead they are looking for someone who otherwise would never have got an opportunity to manage a football club as long as they live. This way they will agree to anything just to get the job as this chance may never come around again. Does any of this remind you of our previous appointment?

None of this is anything personal against McKinlay. I'm sure he is very good at what he does at Fulham and if I was him I would stick with the cushy number he is on because if he is actually offered and accepts the job and then turns out to be merely a puppet (which is very likely) then its pretty likely his life will be made into a living hell just like the last puppet we employed.

Rant over!

Fair comments. At last a bit of intelligence on this site.

I agree, a good post Ash.

What we need (and most people are in agreement) is an experienced manager.

But Mellor B & W you must have changed your mind on McKinlay as you spent all yesterday championing his name as our future manager.

Haven't changed my mind about anything pal. Even if I don't agree with a post I can appreciate a reasonable and well made argument.
And actually if you read what I put properly, I wasn't championing McKinlay or anyone for that matter. I was just trying to put forward reasonable comments in the face of some mass hysteria. What I was mainly saying, I think, is that whoever is appointed we should get behind them and the players and at least give them a chance before unleashing the boo boys. What problem do you have with that.

Oh sorry, so it wasn't you who said that you would be happy with either Sherwood, Shearer or McKinlay as our new manager with Dalglish as their mentor (as if that would happen).

Perhaps those pints of Guiness are affecting your memory pal.

Ash's post rightly argues that although McKinlay might well be a good coach, he was not considered good enough for Fulham when they selected Hughes and Jol as their last two managers.

Additionally as far as I aware, McKinlay is not on he shortlist for any of the other vacant positions - so why are we the only club to be keen on appointing him as manager?

It could be that he is a relatively cheap option, it could be the Kean, SEM, JA connection.
I don't know.

But surely going for an experienced manager is the right thing to do.

My choice would be OGS and I see that Molde are joint top with Rosenberg with 4 games to play. They have a crunch game with Rosenberg this Sunday which could well decide the outcome.

If we must appoint an ex-player, we could do worse than look at Keith Hill.
At least he has had some success as a manager - albeit in the lower leagues.

Saying I would be happy with an appointment that was made is not the same as "championing" someone as you put it. Clear enough for you ?”

Sorry but your position is not clear.

On one hand you say that you would be happy with McKinlay as manager but on the other you also agree with Ash's comments?

Ash's post clearly argues why McKinlay should not be offered the manager's job.

Additionally you spent all yesterday strongy defending McKinlay as if he was your brother.

I've nothing against the guy personally but I don't want him back as manager.
Is that clear enough for you?

Can we leave it at that please as it is getting a little tedious.

I am sure that we both want the best for BRFC and I just hope that when the manager is finally selected he is someone that we can all fully support.

Sorry to butt into this lttle squabble but Riverside you really are a prat. Mellor might be misguided in his support for McKinlay but there is no contradiction of what he's posted today and what he posted yeterday. You both need to get yourselves a life.
Ok girls, carry on.

Oakdale blue wrote:
Some supporters will never be happy with whoever is appointed, but at least lets have some decent names in the hat.

Holloway..you are having a laugh in a recent Telegraph poll didn't he get 20% of the votes...that means 80% don't want him.

Chaos reigns at Ewood

CheltRover wrote:

kenbro wrote:
Experienced manager 3 million a year. An inexperienced coach 1 million a year. Any effect on the selection ?

Good point. Someone needs to point out
Experienced manager=promotion=£

45M next season
or coach=championship=�
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�12M (parachute payment)

MatthewCA wrote:
Get a BOSS who got guts to win matchs and stay alive with Blackburn fans.

No small training people for a big post.

RUinsane wrote:
Not much action on here debating tonight. Maybe the glory hunters are all watching Manure or chelski with their new found couch potatoe season tickets

baldie wrote:

Blueblood95 wrote:

Riverside 7 wrote:

mellorb&w wrote:

Riverside 7 wrote:

mellorb&w wrote:

Riverside 7 wrote:

mellorb&w wrote:

ash1995 wrote:
I don't know how many times yesterday I read comments stating that Mckinlay must be a good coach if Jol and fulham rate him. That is the point, he is a good coach NOT A GOOD MANAGER. If he was manger material do you not think Fulham would have turned to him instead of appointing Jol last time seeing as he was already at the club. Do you honestly think if Jol left tomorrow they would turn to McKinlay as their next manager? Why have no other clubs looking for managers (in any division) ever spotted this 'potential' as a number 1? Why has he not even as much as been linked with a managerial vacancy (in any division) - ever? Either Shebby has spotted something no one else has including his current employers who see him day in day out or there just may be an ulterior motive.

This whole thing stinks. As other people have already stated, the bottom line is Venky's and Singh are frightened to death of appointing an experienced manager who will have his own brain and will want full control of affairs (as is the case at normal football clubs). Instead they are looking for someone who otherwise would never have got an opportunity to manage a football club as long as they live. This way they will agree to anything just to get the job as this chance may never come around again. Does any of this remind you of our previous appointment?

None of this is anything personal against McKinlay. I'm sure he is very good at what he does at Fulham and if I was him I would stick with the cushy number he is on because if he is actually offered and accepts the job and then turns out to be merely a puppet (which is very likely) then its pretty likely his life will be made into a living hell just like the last puppet we employed.

Rant over!

Fair comments. At last a bit of intelligence on this site.

I agree, a good post Ash.

What we need (and most people are in agreement) is an experienced manager.

But Mellor B & W you must have changed your mind on McKinlay as you spent all yesterday championing his name as our future manager.

Haven't changed my mind about anything pal. Even if I don't agree with a post I can appreciate a reasonable and well made argument.
And actually if you read what I put properly, I wasn't championing McKinlay or anyone for that matter. I was just trying to put forward reasonable comments in the face of some mass hysteria. What I was mainly saying, I think, is that whoever is appointed we should get behind them and the players and at least give them a chance before unleashing the boo boys. What problem do you have with that.

Oh sorry, so it wasn't you who said that you would be happy with either Sherwood, Shearer or McKinlay as our new manager with Dalglish as their mentor (as if that would happen).

Perhaps those pints of Guiness are affecting your memory pal.

Ash's post rightly argues that although McKinlay might well be a good coach, he was not considered good enough for Fulham when they selected Hughes and Jol as their last two managers.

Additionally as far as I aware, McKinlay is not on he shortlist for any of the other vacant positions - so why are we the only club to be keen on appointing him as manager?

It could be that he is a relatively cheap option, it could be the Kean, SEM, JA connection.
I don't know.

But surely going for an experienced manager is the right thing to do.

My choice would be OGS and I see that Molde are joint top with Rosenberg with 4 games to play. They have a crunch game with Rosenberg this Sunday which could well decide the outcome.

If we must appoint an ex-player, we could do worse than look at Keith Hill.
At least he has had some success as a manager - albeit in the lower leagues.

Saying I would be happy with an appointment that was made is not the same as "championing" someone as you put it. Clear enough for you ?”

Sorry but your position is not clear.

On one hand you say that you would be happy with McKinlay as manager but on the other you also agree with Ash's comments?

Ash's post clearly argues why McKinlay should not be offered the manager's job.

Additionally you spent all yesterday strongy defending McKinlay as if he was your brother.

I've nothing against the guy personally but I don't want him back as manager.
Is that clear enough for you?

Can we leave it at that please as it is getting a little tedious.

I am sure that we both want the best for BRFC and I just hope that when the manager is finally selected he is someone that we can all fully support.

Sorry to butt into this lttle squabble but Riverside you really are a prat. Mellor might be misguided in his support for McKinlay but there is no contradiction of what he's posted today and what he posted yeterday. You both need to get yourselves a life.
Ok girls, carry on.

Personally don't think Mellor is misguided at all.I've agreed with almost everything he's said over the past couple of days.
Whoever comes in needs the fans' backing 100%,be it wee Billy or anyone else.Given a fair crack he may turn out to be a good un,but all this unsubstantiated Tom Tit about him being linked to Kean is doing nobody any favours.

BlueSkies wrote:

RUinsane wrote:
Not much action on here debating tonight. Maybe the glory hunters are all watching Manure or chelski with their new found couch potatoe season tickets

Not even that I reckon, more that everybody is fed-up with the speculation and/or indecision surrounding this appointment. Shebby needs to make the decision and get on with it. Whatever the choice, it won't make everybody happy and he has to be man enough to make that call and take the consequences.

roverboy1uk wrote:
Why dont all you know alls with the big gobs, put your names forward for the job, you seem to know how to run a football club better than anyone else, just grow up and give whoever comes in a chance. Just my opinion.

RUinsane wrote:
Not much action on here debating tonight. Maybe the glory hunters are all watching Manure or chelski with their new found couch potatoe season tickets

burnleyglentoran wrote:
AUSTIN FOR ENGLAND

Rovers1975 wrote:

burnleyglentoran wrote:
AUSTIN FOR ENGLAND

I wouldn't argue with that to be fair.

baldie wrote:

CheltRover wrote:

kenbro wrote:
Experienced manager 3 million a year. An inexperienced coach 1 million a year. Any effect on the selection ?

Good point. Someone needs to point out
Experienced manager=promotion=£


45M next season
or coach=championship=�
��
��
�12M (parachute payment)

Just a thought,but If it's as easy as that,why isn't the most experienced manager top of the league and the least experienced bottom?

roverfor60years wrote:
Dear Shebby

Blackburn Rovers as a club are on a knife edge. On the precipice. Two years of incomprehensible bad management and shambolic transfer activity has left us teetering on the abyss. Simply, we cannot afford another mistake. This is the owners’ last chance.

The appointment of a new manager is a massive, massive decision. No risks. An experienced manager MUST be appointed. A manager with man-management skills and a good judge of a player. A manager with complete control over transfers. His decision alone and no-one else’s. The only decision outside his control would be affordability, with negotiating responsibility vested in the chief exec in consultation with the owners.

I no longer recognise the club I have supported as a spectator and sponsor (pre-Venky’s) for more than 60 years. I, along with almost every other supporter, am demoralised. Many of the missing 12,000+ fans probably feel the same. Some, maybe many, will never return.

The very future of Blackburn Rovers, at the moment, is in your hands.

Billy McKinley and Tim Sherwood may be excellent coaches. But can they MANAGE? We don’t know. We have a disastrous history of appointing coaches as managers. Our outstanding Premiership-winning coach Ray Harford – result, relegated. Brian Kidd, probably regarded as the best COACH in the land at Man Utd – result, relegated. The disastrous Steve Kean – result, relegated.

The pattern is ominous. So why are you fishing in the same pond?

Simply, a coach will not be able to come here, immediately assess the devastation and set about putting it right. Any experienced MANAGER worth his salt would be able to walk in, put his finger on the pulse and immediately know what needs to be done. And he must be allowed to do it.

He must be allowed to operate without fear, favour or interference. He must be able to work shoulder to shoulder with the chief executive, who will respect his views and advice. And he must have 100 per cent support.

There is no guarantee of success, of course. But with an experienced manager, with full unhindered authority, we would have a chance.

And that is what Venky’s owe this club after two catastrophic years of crass mismanagement. A chance.

The message to supporters would be that they have learned the lessons of their self-inflicted disastrous reign.

The frustration and tension is rising and there is major unrest. Disenchantment is spreading. Some are already disenfranchised. Soon it could be many more – unless you make the obvious and only sensible decision. But can the owners accept they have got EVERYTHING wrong from the moment they cynically and inexplicably sacked Sam with calamitous and ill-advised haste?

As I say, there can be no guarantee, but the fans will give you a second chance – and give the new manager a fair chance. But he must be a MANAGER and you MUST allow him to do his job.

Make the wrong decision this time and our rudderless ship will quickly be on the rocks. We have no time left.

petergray wrote:

RUinsane wrote:
Not much action on here debating tonight. Maybe the glory hunters are all watching Manure or chelski with their new found couch potatoe season tickets

Hi lovey,

I'll be blowing' yer kisses from the away end on that cold but sunny first sunday in december.

Love, Pete xxx

Rovers1975 wrote:

roverfor60years wrote:
Dear Shebby

Blackburn Rovers as a club are on a knife edge. On the precipice. Two years of incomprehensible bad management and shambolic transfer activity has left us teetering on the abyss. Simply, we cannot afford another mistake. This is the owners’ last chance.

The appointment of a new manager is a massive, massive decision. No risks. An experienced manager MUST be appointed. A manager with man-management skills and a good judge of a player. A manager with complete control over transfers. His decision alone and no-one else’s. The only decision outside his control would be affordability, with negotiating responsibility vested in the chief exec in consultation with the owners.

I no longer recognise the club I have supported as a spectator and sponsor (pre-Venky’s) for more than 60 years. I, along with almost every other supporter, am demoralised. Many of the missing 12,000+ fans probably feel the same. Some, maybe many, will never return.

The very future of Blackburn Rovers, at the moment, is in your hands.

Billy McKinley and Tim Sherwood may be excellent coaches. But can they MANAGE? We don’t know. We have a disastrous history of appointing coaches as managers. Our outstanding Premiership-winning coach Ray Harford – result, relegated. Brian Kidd, probably regarded as the best COACH in the land at Man Utd – result, relegated. The disastrous Steve Kean – result, relegated.

The pattern is ominous. So why are you fishing in the same pond?

Simply, a coach will not be able to come here, immediately assess the devastation and set about putting it right. Any experienced MANAGER worth his salt would be able to walk in, put his finger on the pulse and immediately know what needs to be done. And he must be allowed to do it.

He must be allowed to operate without fear, favour or interference. He must be able to work shoulder to shoulder with the chief executive, who will respect his views and advice. And he must have 100 per cent support.

There is no guarantee of success, of course. But with an experienced manager, with full unhindered authority, we would have a chance.

And that is what Venky’s owe this club after two catastrophic years of crass mismanagement. A chance.

The message to supporters would be that they have learned the lessons of their self-inflicted disastrous reign.

The frustration and tension is rising and there is major unrest. Disenchantment is spreading. Some are already disenfranchised. Soon it could be many more – unless you make the obvious and only sensible decision. But can the owners accept they have got EVERYTHING wrong from the moment they cynically and inexplicably sacked Sam with calamitous and ill-advised haste?

As I say, there can be no guarantee, but the fans will give you a second chance – and give the new manager a fair chance. But he must be a MANAGER and you MUST allow him to do his job.

Make the wrong decision this time and our rudderless ship will quickly be on the rocks. We have no time left.

Superb post. I'd love to see what Shabba dabbaa doo would have to say to that.

Will he read it, or any of the passion shown on here? I doubt it.

RUinsane wrote:
If shebby was to go for an utried and tested coach instead of an experienced manger, then it would have to be Tugay for me. At least the fans would welcome him back.

BB4Claret wrote:
Well, well, well ........

I bet the feathers are rustling a bit down at the chicken farm tonight, boys.

Another win for the Clarets - same points tally tonight, and when the Owls have finished with the chickens tomorrow evening, you'll be looking up the table at the mighty (and currently also managerless) Burnley.

In the meantime, guys, you may as well steal SatNavs for your ponies, because you'll be needing to find your way to all sorts of exotic grounds in the next few seasons.

Oh, and do carry on with your habitual vitriol about anyone linked with your pearly-king managerial position. Face it, after what you did to your last 3 managers, who would want to take that job on ? It's not worth the hassle.

Down you go !!!

BRKFC - Football's answer to The Two Ronnies

mellorb&w wrote:

baldie wrote:

Blueblood95 wrote:

Riverside 7 wrote:

mellorb&w wrote:

Riverside 7 wrote:

mellorb&w wrote:

Riverside 7 wrote:

mellorb&w wrote:

ash1995 wrote:
I don't know how many times yesterday I read comments stating that Mckinlay must be a good coach if Jol and fulham rate him. That is the point, he is a good coach NOT A GOOD MANAGER. If he was manger material do you not think Fulham would have turned to him instead of appointing Jol last time seeing as he was already at the club. Do you honestly think if Jol left tomorrow they would turn to McKinlay as their next manager? Why have no other clubs looking for managers (in any division) ever spotted this 'potential' as a number 1? Why has he not even as much as been linked with a managerial vacancy (in any division) - ever? Either Shebby has spotted something no one else has including his current employers who see him day in day out or there just may be an ulterior motive.

This whole thing stinks. As other people have already stated, the bottom line is Venky's and Singh are frightened to death of appointing an experienced manager who will have his own brain and will want full control of affairs (as is the case at normal football clubs). Instead they are looking for someone who otherwise would never have got an opportunity to manage a football club as long as they live. This way they will agree to anything just to get the job as this chance may never come around again. Does any of this remind you of our previous appointment?

None of this is anything personal against McKinlay. I'm sure he is very good at what he does at Fulham and if I was him I would stick with the cushy number he is on because if he is actually offered and accepts the job and then turns out to be merely a puppet (which is very likely) then its pretty likely his life will be made into a living hell just like the last puppet we employed.

Rant over!

Fair comments. At last a bit of intelligence on this site.

I agree, a good post Ash.

What we need (and most people are in agreement) is an experienced manager.

But Mellor B & W you must have changed your mind on McKinlay as you spent all yesterday championing his name as our future manager.

Haven't changed my mind about anything pal. Even if I don't agree with a post I can appreciate a reasonable and well made argument.
And actually if you read what I put properly, I wasn't championing McKinlay or anyone for that matter. I was just trying to put forward reasonable comments in the face of some mass hysteria. What I was mainly saying, I think, is that whoever is appointed we should get behind them and the players and at least give them a chance before unleashing the boo boys. What problem do you have with that.

Oh sorry, so it wasn't you who said that you would be happy with either Sherwood, Shearer or McKinlay as our new manager with Dalglish as their mentor (as if that would happen).

Perhaps those pints of Guiness are affecting your memory pal.

Ash's post rightly argues that although McKinlay might well be a good coach, he was not considered good enough for Fulham when they selected Hughes and Jol as their last two managers.

Additionally as far as I aware, McKinlay is not on he shortlist for any of the other vacant positions - so why are we the only club to be keen on appointing him as manager?

It could be that he is a relatively cheap option, it could be the Kean, SEM, JA connection.
I don't know.

But surely going for an experienced manager is the right thing to do.

My choice would be OGS and I see that Molde are joint top with Rosenberg with 4 games to play. They have a crunch game with Rosenberg this Sunday which could well decide the outcome.

If we must appoint an ex-player, we could do worse than look at Keith Hill.
At least he has had some success as a manager - albeit in the lower leagues.

Saying I would be happy with an appointment that was made is not the same as "championing" someone as you put it. Clear enough for you ?”

Sorry but your position is not clear.

On one hand you say that you would be happy with McKinlay as manager but on the other you also agree with Ash's comments?

Ash's post clearly argues why McKinlay should not be offered the manager's job.

Additionally you spent all yesterday strongy defending McKinlay as if he was your brother.

I've nothing against the guy personally but I don't want him back as manager.
Is that clear enough for you?

Can we leave it at that please as it is getting a little tedious.

I am sure that we both want the best for BRFC and I just hope that when the manager is finally selected he is someone that we can all fully support.

Sorry to butt into this lttle squabble but Riverside you really are a prat. Mellor might be misguided in his support for McKinlay but there is no contradiction of what he's posted today and what he posted yeterday. You both need to get yourselves a life.
Ok girls, carry on.

Personally don't think Mellor is misguided at all.I've agreed with almost everything he's said over the past couple of days.
Whoever comes in needs the fans' backing 100%,be it wee Billy or anyone else.Given a fair crack he may turn out to be a good un,but all this unsubstantiated Tom Tit about him being linked to Kean is doing nobody any favours.

Look, I couldn't care less who agrees or disagrees with me. We've all got our own opinions but what's important now is that we turn up in numbers tomorrow night and create an atmosphere to help get 3 points. We're on the same points now as Burnley ffs!!
And BRAG, shame on you. The last thing we need now is a boycott. The owners will choose a Manager no matter what the supporters think.
GET BEHIND THE TEAM OR GET LOST !!

kazz wrote:
BREAKING NEWS
BLACKBURN PULL THE PLUG ON THEIR MOVE FOR MCKINLAY DUE TO FANS PROTEST ACCORDING TO DAILY MAIL

RUinsane wrote:

petergray wrote:

RUinsane wrote:
Not much action on here debating tonight. Maybe the glory hunters are all watching Manure or chelski with their new found couch potatoe season tickets

Hi lovey,

I'll be blowing' yer kisses from the away end on that cold but sunny first sunday in december.

Love, Pete xxx

Make sure you use the foot and mouth disinfectant tray on your way home, and shut the gate behind you, we don't want you bringing anything nasty back with you from t turd..

eddie the eagle wrote:
The Mirror states that McKinlay was recommended by Sherwood and the more I read the more I am impressed with his CV.He would not be my choice but he must be given a chance.We wanted rid of Kean but we can't let him go,he is clouding the issue on what we think because he was such a disaster,Cast him out judge our next manager on his merits,I said before Kean is a virus and he has infected us all forget him

MikeD wrote:

MerlinTheVoiceofReas on2 wrote: Rovers' history of appointing coaches/ex-players as manager has been disastrous. Brian Kidd = Fail (Club relegated). Paul Ince = Fail (almost relegated). Steve Kean = Fail (Club relegated). Shebby, this is why the fans do not want Billy McKinlay. It's why Tim Sherwood would be a massive gamble. At least Shearer has dipped his toe into management. But please listen to Derek Shaw, who favours Ian Holloway, and make an approach - today.

Rovers' history of appointing coaches/ex-players as manager has been a great success. Mark Hughes = Success (European football). Graeme Souness= Success(Worthington Cup). Kenny Dalglish = Success (Premier League Champions).

P888HOW wrote:

Rovers1975 wrote:

roverfor60years wrote:
Dear Shebby

Blackburn Rovers as a club are on a knife edge. On the precipice. Two years of incomprehensible bad management and shambolic transfer activity has left us teetering on the abyss. Simply, we cannot afford another mistake. This is the owners’ last chance.

The appointment of a new manager is a massive, massive decision. No risks. An experienced manager MUST be appointed. A manager with man-management skills and a good judge of a player. A manager with complete control over transfers. His decision alone and no-one else’s. The only decision outside his control would be affordability, with negotiating responsibility vested in the chief exec in consultation with the owners.

I no longer recognise the club I have supported as a spectator and sponsor (pre-Venky’s) for more than 60 years. I, along with almost every other supporter, am demoralised. Many of the missing 12,000+ fans probably feel the same. Some, maybe many, will never return.

The very future of Blackburn Rovers, at the moment, is in your hands.

Billy McKinley and Tim Sherwood may be excellent coaches. But can they MANAGE? We don’t know. We have a disastrous history of appointing coaches as managers. Our outstanding Premiership-winning coach Ray Harford – result, relegated. Brian Kidd, probably regarded as the best COACH in the land at Man Utd – result, relegated. The disastrous Steve Kean – result, relegated.

The pattern is ominous. So why are you fishing in the same pond?

Simply, a coach will not be able to come here, immediately assess the devastation and set about putting it right. Any experienced MANAGER worth his salt would be able to walk in, put his finger on the pulse and immediately know what needs to be done. And he must be allowed to do it.

He must be allowed to operate without fear, favour or interference. He must be able to work shoulder to shoulder with the chief executive, who will respect his views and advice. And he must have 100 per cent support.

There is no guarantee of success, of course. But with an experienced manager, with full unhindered authority, we would have a chance.

And that is what Venky’s owe this club after two catastrophic years of crass mismanagement. A chance.

The message to supporters would be that they have learned the lessons of their self-inflicted disastrous reign.

The frustration and tension is rising and there is major unrest. Disenchantment is spreading. Some are already disenfranchised. Soon it could be many more – unless you make the obvious and only sensible decision. But can the owners accept they have got EVERYTHING wrong from the moment they cynically and inexplicably sacked Sam with calamitous and ill-advised haste?

As I say, there can be no guarantee, but the fans will give you a second chance – and give the new manager a fair chance. But he must be a MANAGER and you MUST allow him to do his job.

Make the wrong decision this time and our rudderless ship will quickly be on the rocks. We have no time left.

Superb post. I'd love to see what Shabba dabbaa doo would have to say to that.

Will he read it, or any of the passion shown on here? I doubt it.

Brilliant post, very well put,