Stephen Cummings: Davies’ whinge is not fair on Clarets

This Is Lancashire: Billy Davies was made to suffer in the Turf Moor dugout Billy Davies was made to suffer in the Turf Moor dugout

LISTENING to Billy Davies last week, you could be forgiven for thinking that his Forest side were about to visit the Camp Nou attempting to overhaul a five-goal deficit against Lionel Messi et al, rather than face an inexpensively-assembled Clarets side.

As well as the obligatory moan about injuries, there was a complimentary grumble in the shape of his poor darlings being more weary than their opponents on account of their having had to run around for a whole 90 minutes three days earlier.

The way Davies painted it, it sounded as though he was overseeing a gaggle of players driven to the point of physical collapse, rather than a group of fit young athletes assembled for not too far south of £25m.

Even after the game he was still peddling hokum.

“They got us at the best possible time,” he moaned, before tearing into his charges. “We knew what to expect coming to Burnley, but the players did not heed the warnings we gave to them.”

And whose fault might that be, Billy?

The harsh but uncomfortable truth for Davies is that his side were simply unable to cope with 45 minutes of the most scintillating attacking football you are likely to see this term.

As one Sunday broadsheet couched it, “There cannot have been a more purposeful period of attacking play witnessed outside the top flight this season.”

Hyperbole? Almost certainly. Justified? Without doubt.

It’s questionable whether a fully-fit Forest would have been able to repel the constant waves of attack which under which their defence buckled in that blistering first half.

Here was a side brimming over with confidence.

You could see it in the way Scott Arfield held off one defender, nutmegged another and almost contemptuously flicked the ball past Karl Darlow.

It was in evidence again when Kieran Trippier performed a couple of step-overs and played a one-two, before delivering the cross for Vokes to steal in front of his man and double Burnley’s advantage.

“Total domination,” was how Sean Dyche saw it. It’s hard to counter that view.

Last week I wrote about the up-coming visits of Forest and Derby and what a test they would present.

I also spoke about how every time Burnley faced a challenge, they passed it with flying colours.

Burnley’s record against the top five reads: played seven, won four, drawn three, lost none, goals for 15, goals against seven.

Who’s to argue against that record looking even more impressive by Saturday tea-time?

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2:15pm Tue 25 Feb 14

ForestinLancs says...

As a Forest fan Im baffled as to how you think we spent 25 million assembling our squad seeing as a good 50% have been bought in on frees or loans and the vast majority of our squad are on under 12k a week. We have been ravaged by injury thats an absolute fact not an excuse. Wilson, Cohen, Reid,Lansbury, Hobbs, Lichaj and Vaughan would walk into most first 11s in this division and if they had been fit on Saturday I think most fans would admit it would have been a very different game.
As a Forest fan Im baffled as to how you think we spent 25 million assembling our squad seeing as a good 50% have been bought in on frees or loans and the vast majority of our squad are on under 12k a week. We have been ravaged by injury thats an absolute fact not an excuse. Wilson, Cohen, Reid,Lansbury, Hobbs, Lichaj and Vaughan would walk into most first 11s in this division and if they had been fit on Saturday I think most fans would admit it would have been a very different game. ForestinLancs

3:22pm Tue 25 Feb 14

look.up.blackburn says...

Billy Davies is a whining gobsh!te.

The Barcelona of the North made his team of work-shy layabouts look like schoolboys. Burnley were fitter, stronger and faster in every single area. Forest couldn't cope with the speed and accuracy of Burnley's passing and movement, and some of the attacking play was immense, Forest were left chasing shadows.

Seeing the away fans skulking off on 80 minutes said it all.

£25million? What a shambles.
Billy Davies is a whining gobsh!te. The Barcelona of the North made his team of work-shy layabouts look like schoolboys. Burnley were fitter, stronger and faster in every single area. Forest couldn't cope with the speed and accuracy of Burnley's passing and movement, and some of the attacking play was immense, Forest were left chasing shadows. Seeing the away fans skulking off on 80 minutes said it all. £25million? What a shambles. look.up.blackburn

3:26pm Tue 25 Feb 14

houseclaret says...

ForestinLancs wrote:
As a Forest fan Im baffled as to how you think we spent 25 million assembling our squad seeing as a good 50% have been bought in on frees or loans and the vast majority of our squad are on under 12k a week. We have been ravaged by injury thats an absolute fact not an excuse. Wilson, Cohen, Reid,Lansbury, Hobbs, Lichaj and Vaughan would walk into most first 11s in this division and if they had been fit on Saturday I think most fans would admit it would have been a very different game.
So you have been ravaged by injury? How do you explain the 14 match unbeaten run prior to visiting the Turf? You seem to have been coping with the injury situation rather well before Saturday. The fact is Davies is and always has been a whinger and it appears that the injury situation didn't really matter until you actually lost a game then we got lucky that you had so many players absent. You weren't under strength too much when we got a draw at your place I seem to recall. Listen my friend, welcome to the site and I have no gripe with your club but Davies is a moaner of the highest order.
For what it's worth, if we do achieve auto-promotion (hopefully after seeing off your arch rivals on Saturday we will be a long way toward getting to that goal) I hope that you go up via the play-offs as you are a decent club with good fans.
[quote][p][bold]ForestinLancs[/bold] wrote: As a Forest fan Im baffled as to how you think we spent 25 million assembling our squad seeing as a good 50% have been bought in on frees or loans and the vast majority of our squad are on under 12k a week. We have been ravaged by injury thats an absolute fact not an excuse. Wilson, Cohen, Reid,Lansbury, Hobbs, Lichaj and Vaughan would walk into most first 11s in this division and if they had been fit on Saturday I think most fans would admit it would have been a very different game.[/p][/quote]So you have been ravaged by injury? How do you explain the 14 match unbeaten run prior to visiting the Turf? You seem to have been coping with the injury situation rather well before Saturday. The fact is Davies is and always has been a whinger and it appears that the injury situation didn't really matter until you actually lost a game then we got lucky that you had so many players absent. You weren't under strength too much when we got a draw at your place I seem to recall. Listen my friend, welcome to the site and I have no gripe with your club but Davies is a moaner of the highest order. For what it's worth, if we do achieve auto-promotion (hopefully after seeing off your arch rivals on Saturday we will be a long way toward getting to that goal) I hope that you go up via the play-offs as you are a decent club with good fans. houseclaret

3:50pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Champagne plus charlie says...

ForestinLancs wrote:
As a Forest fan Im baffled as to how you think we spent 25 million assembling our squad seeing as a good 50% have been bought in on frees or loans and the vast majority of our squad are on under 12k a week. We have been ravaged by injury thats an absolute fact not an excuse. Wilson, Cohen, Reid,Lansbury, Hobbs, Lichaj and Vaughan would walk into most first 11s in this division and if they had been fit on Saturday I think most fans would admit it would have been a very different game.
A quick check of your transfer spend this season gives me the following info:

Jamie Paterson - £1 million
Jamie Mackie - £1 million
Djamel Abdoun - £1.5 million
Kelvin Wilson - £2.5 million
Rafik Djebbour - £1.2 million
Jack Hobbs - £600k

That's £8 million just this season, you can then add:

Simon Cox - £2 million
Henri Lansbury - £1 million
Adlene Guedioura - £750k
Danny Collins - £500k

To give you some perspective we have spent just £500k on Ashley Barnes in the same time frame.
[quote][p][bold]ForestinLancs[/bold] wrote: As a Forest fan Im baffled as to how you think we spent 25 million assembling our squad seeing as a good 50% have been bought in on frees or loans and the vast majority of our squad are on under 12k a week. We have been ravaged by injury thats an absolute fact not an excuse. Wilson, Cohen, Reid,Lansbury, Hobbs, Lichaj and Vaughan would walk into most first 11s in this division and if they had been fit on Saturday I think most fans would admit it would have been a very different game.[/p][/quote]A quick check of your transfer spend this season gives me the following info: Jamie Paterson - £1 million Jamie Mackie - £1 million Djamel Abdoun - £1.5 million Kelvin Wilson - £2.5 million Rafik Djebbour - £1.2 million Jack Hobbs - £600k That's £8 million just this season, you can then add: Simon Cox - £2 million Henri Lansbury - £1 million Adlene Guedioura - £750k Danny Collins - £500k To give you some perspective we have spent just £500k on Ashley Barnes in the same time frame. Champagne plus charlie

3:56pm Tue 25 Feb 14

ClaretSince94 says...

ForestinLancs wrote:
As a Forest fan Im baffled as to how you think we spent 25 million assembling our squad seeing as a good 50% have been bought in on frees or loans and the vast majority of our squad are on under 12k a week. We have been ravaged by injury thats an absolute fact not an excuse. Wilson, Cohen, Reid,Lansbury, Hobbs, Lichaj and Vaughan would walk into most first 11s in this division and if they had been fit on Saturday I think most fans would admit it would have been a very different game.
Oh you poor dears, most of your squad are on under £12k a week?! Bless! ...

Our highest paid players are on £7k a week, the vast majority of our squad is on less. We only have 20 first team players. If you're spunking so much money on a huge squad then the one thing you can't blame is injuries because otherwise, what's the point of having a squad that size? You can only start 11 players after all.
[quote][p][bold]ForestinLancs[/bold] wrote: As a Forest fan Im baffled as to how you think we spent 25 million assembling our squad seeing as a good 50% have been bought in on frees or loans and the vast majority of our squad are on under 12k a week. We have been ravaged by injury thats an absolute fact not an excuse. Wilson, Cohen, Reid,Lansbury, Hobbs, Lichaj and Vaughan would walk into most first 11s in this division and if they had been fit on Saturday I think most fans would admit it would have been a very different game.[/p][/quote]Oh you poor dears, most of your squad are on under £12k a week?! Bless! ... Our highest paid players are on £7k a week, the vast majority of our squad is on less. We only have 20 first team players. If you're spunking so much money on a huge squad then the one thing you can't blame is injuries because otherwise, what's the point of having a squad that size? You can only start 11 players after all. ClaretSince94

4:07pm Tue 25 Feb 14

houseclaret says...

Davies really does need to grow up. He could probably field his full reserves every week and they would probably hold their own in the championship. The problem with big squads is that rotation is virtually forced on the manager due to over-paid prima donnas wanting away if they don't get a game, it happens at the big clubs in the prem all the time. That's why there is no loyalty now (or at least part of the reason). What we have is stability, admittedly forced on us, but I think Sean would keep the same winning side anyway. There used to be an old addage in footbal that was a mantra for managers for decades, "You never change a winning team unless you have to". Maybe a few modern managers would do well to heed that.
Davies really does need to grow up. He could probably field his full reserves every week and they would probably hold their own in the championship. The problem with big squads is that rotation is virtually forced on the manager due to over-paid prima donnas wanting away if they don't get a game, it happens at the big clubs in the prem all the time. That's why there is no loyalty now (or at least part of the reason). What we have is stability, admittedly forced on us, but I think Sean would keep the same winning side anyway. There used to be an old addage in footbal that was a mantra for managers for decades, "You never change a winning team unless you have to". Maybe a few modern managers would do well to heed that. houseclaret

5:51pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Dingle Dangle says...

Deluded tosh. You won because forest brought their reserves and you got lucky. A full squad and you've been walloped. Derby will have to sort you now and they will mark my words
Deluded tosh. You won because forest brought their reserves and you got lucky. A full squad and you've been walloped. Derby will have to sort you now and they will mark my words Dingle Dangle

6:18pm Tue 25 Feb 14

McClaret says...

Sounds like Billy in his Preston days. Always liked a good whinge.
Sounds like Billy in his Preston days. Always liked a good whinge. McClaret

6:24pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Dingle Dangle says...

As well as their reserves they also brought 4000 fans to thoroughly disgrace the home team
As well as their reserves they also brought 4000 fans to thoroughly disgrace the home team Dingle Dangle

6:29pm Tue 25 Feb 14

H2O Control says...

Dingle Dangle wrote:
Deluded tosh. You won because forest brought their reserves and you got lucky. A full squad and you've been walloped. Derby will have to sort you now and they will mark my words
Your opinion belongs stuck up your back-end with your boyfriend. You're a liar and a dilussional loser. Owned, wrapped and packed 24 7 365. Pop pop pop
[quote][p][bold]Dingle Dangle[/bold] wrote: Deluded tosh. You won because forest brought their reserves and you got lucky. A full squad and you've been walloped. Derby will have to sort you now and they will mark my words[/p][/quote]Your opinion belongs stuck up your back-end with your boyfriend. You're a liar and a dilussional loser. Owned, wrapped and packed 24 7 365. Pop pop pop H2O Control

6:41pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Steven Seagull says...

Dingle Dangle wrote:
As well as their reserves they also brought 4000 fans to thoroughly disgrace the home team
As opposed to how many that you took away to "play off rivals" Reading?

Think before your filthy fat sausages get to work on your stolen keyboard cleatus.
[quote][p][bold]Dingle Dangle[/bold] wrote: As well as their reserves they also brought 4000 fans to thoroughly disgrace the home team[/p][/quote]As opposed to how many that you took away to "play off rivals" Reading? Think before your filthy fat sausages get to work on your stolen keyboard cleatus. Steven Seagull

6:47pm Tue 25 Feb 14

look.up.blackburn. says...

Dingle Dangle wrote:
Deluded tosh. You won because forest brought their reserves and you got lucky. A full squad and you've been walloped. Derby will have to sort you now and they will mark my words
2nd.
17 points.
Your mum, etc.
[quote][p][bold]Dingle Dangle[/bold] wrote: Deluded tosh. You won because forest brought their reserves and you got lucky. A full squad and you've been walloped. Derby will have to sort you now and they will mark my words[/p][/quote]2nd. 17 points. Your mum, etc. look.up.blackburn.

7:29pm Tue 25 Feb 14

H2O Control says...

Dingle Dangle wrote:
As well as their reserves they also brought 4000 fans to thoroughly disgrace the home team
Liar,Loser and Lob. Owned 24 7 365.
[quote][p][bold]Dingle Dangle[/bold] wrote: As well as their reserves they also brought 4000 fans to thoroughly disgrace the home team[/p][/quote]Liar,Loser and Lob. Owned 24 7 365. H2O Control

7:32pm Tue 25 Feb 14

H2O Control says...

Dingle Dangle wrote:
Deluded tosh. You won because forest brought their reserves and you got lucky. A full squad and you've been walloped. Derby will have to sort you now and they will mark my words
Mark your words? Nil out of 100 you deluded self-abuser. Liar and a loser. Owned 24 7 365. Pop pop pop
[quote][p][bold]Dingle Dangle[/bold] wrote: Deluded tosh. You won because forest brought their reserves and you got lucky. A full squad and you've been walloped. Derby will have to sort you now and they will mark my words[/p][/quote]Mark your words? Nil out of 100 you deluded self-abuser. Liar and a loser. Owned 24 7 365. Pop pop pop H2O Control

8:13pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Dingle Dangle says...

So easy so terribly easy. H2o - one gullible drip
So easy so terribly easy. H2o - one gullible drip Dingle Dangle

9:32pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Wild Rover says...

ClaretSince94 wrote:
ForestinLancs wrote:
As a Forest fan Im baffled as to how you think we spent 25 million assembling our squad seeing as a good 50% have been bought in on frees or loans and the vast majority of our squad are on under 12k a week. We have been ravaged by injury thats an absolute fact not an excuse. Wilson, Cohen, Reid,Lansbury, Hobbs, Lichaj and Vaughan would walk into most first 11s in this division and if they had been fit on Saturday I think most fans would admit it would have been a very different game.
Oh you poor dears, most of your squad are on under £12k a week?! Bless! ...

Our highest paid players are on £7k a week, the vast majority of our squad is on less. We only have 20 first team players. If you're spunking so much money on a huge squad then the one thing you can't blame is injuries because otherwise, what's the point of having a squad that size? You can only start 11 players after all.
So here we have it, the Barca of the North pay 7k a week to their players...so how long do you think you will keep your best players when we all know the going rate for talent?
Wont be long before their heads turn, sad but true fact of football life.
[quote][p][bold]ClaretSince94[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ForestinLancs[/bold] wrote: As a Forest fan Im baffled as to how you think we spent 25 million assembling our squad seeing as a good 50% have been bought in on frees or loans and the vast majority of our squad are on under 12k a week. We have been ravaged by injury thats an absolute fact not an excuse. Wilson, Cohen, Reid,Lansbury, Hobbs, Lichaj and Vaughan would walk into most first 11s in this division and if they had been fit on Saturday I think most fans would admit it would have been a very different game.[/p][/quote]Oh you poor dears, most of your squad are on under £12k a week?! Bless! ... Our highest paid players are on £7k a week, the vast majority of our squad is on less. We only have 20 first team players. If you're spunking so much money on a huge squad then the one thing you can't blame is injuries because otherwise, what's the point of having a squad that size? You can only start 11 players after all.[/p][/quote]So here we have it, the Barca of the North pay 7k a week to their players...so how long do you think you will keep your best players when we all know the going rate for talent? Wont be long before their heads turn, sad but true fact of football life. Wild Rover

9:42pm Tue 25 Feb 14

Wild Rover says...

Champagne plus charlie wrote:
ForestinLancs wrote:
As a Forest fan Im baffled as to how you think we spent 25 million assembling our squad seeing as a good 50% have been bought in on frees or loans and the vast majority of our squad are on under 12k a week. We have been ravaged by injury thats an absolute fact not an excuse. Wilson, Cohen, Reid,Lansbury, Hobbs, Lichaj and Vaughan would walk into most first 11s in this division and if they had been fit on Saturday I think most fans would admit it would have been a very different game.
A quick check of your transfer spend this season gives me the following info:

Jamie Paterson - £1 million
Jamie Mackie - £1 million
Djamel Abdoun - £1.5 million
Kelvin Wilson - £2.5 million
Rafik Djebbour - £1.2 million
Jack Hobbs - £600k

That's £8 million just this season, you can then add:

Simon Cox - £2 million
Henri Lansbury - £1 million
Adlene Guedioura - £750k
Danny Collins - £500k

To give you some perspective we have spent just £500k on Ashley Barnes in the same time frame.
So that adds up to 12 million ..thats not 25 is it
More Dingle exaggeration and half truths.
[quote][p][bold]Champagne plus charlie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ForestinLancs[/bold] wrote: As a Forest fan Im baffled as to how you think we spent 25 million assembling our squad seeing as a good 50% have been bought in on frees or loans and the vast majority of our squad are on under 12k a week. We have been ravaged by injury thats an absolute fact not an excuse. Wilson, Cohen, Reid,Lansbury, Hobbs, Lichaj and Vaughan would walk into most first 11s in this division and if they had been fit on Saturday I think most fans would admit it would have been a very different game.[/p][/quote]A quick check of your transfer spend this season gives me the following info: Jamie Paterson - £1 million Jamie Mackie - £1 million Djamel Abdoun - £1.5 million Kelvin Wilson - £2.5 million Rafik Djebbour - £1.2 million Jack Hobbs - £600k That's £8 million just this season, you can then add: Simon Cox - £2 million Henri Lansbury - £1 million Adlene Guedioura - £750k Danny Collins - £500k To give you some perspective we have spent just £500k on Ashley Barnes in the same time frame.[/p][/quote]So that adds up to 12 million ..thats not 25 is it More Dingle exaggeration and half truths. Wild Rover

4:53am Wed 26 Feb 14

H2O Control says...

Dingle Dangle wrote:
So easy so terribly easy. H2o - one gullible drip
The truth - twa.t face recognises that to own his **** is easy for me. Like I don't fcukin.g know. Go dangle on the rope now, there's a good retard. You are a liar and a loser 24 7 365. Pop pop pop
[quote][p][bold]Dingle Dangle[/bold] wrote: So easy so terribly easy. H2o - one gullible drip[/p][/quote]The truth - twa.t face recognises that to own his **** is easy for me. Like I don't fcukin.g know. Go dangle on the rope now, there's a good retard. You are a liar and a loser 24 7 365. Pop pop pop H2O Control

9:39am Wed 26 Feb 14

jim 2012 says...

you can not put burnley on a par with Barcelona
let's keep all this lionising in perspective
you have won nothing yet
you can not put burnley on a par with Barcelona let's keep all this lionising in perspective you have won nothing yet jim 2012

10:05am Wed 26 Feb 14

look.up.blackburn says...

jim 2012 wrote:
you can not put burnley on a par with Barcelona
let's keep all this lionising in perspective
you have won nothing yet
Jealous no-dad.

Burnley are playing some incredible football and are hitting a good run of form at just the right time. 10 points out of 12 has moved us clear in second place and closing the gap on Leicester. We destroyed Nottingham Forest, and that's a team that only recently destroyed you morons 4-1. On the 9th of March you'll see first hand just how far Burnley have come this season.

Hold onto them there dungaree's Cleatus, there's a asswhuppin in the post!
[quote][p][bold]jim 2012[/bold] wrote: you can not put burnley on a par with Barcelona let's keep all this lionising in perspective you have won nothing yet[/p][/quote]Jealous no-dad. Burnley are playing some incredible football and are hitting a good run of form at just the right time. 10 points out of 12 has moved us clear in second place and closing the gap on Leicester. We destroyed Nottingham Forest, and that's a team that only recently destroyed you morons 4-1. On the 9th of March you'll see first hand just how far Burnley have come this season. Hold onto them there dungaree's Cleatus, there's a asswhuppin in the post! look.up.blackburn

10:15am Wed 26 Feb 14

rudis_dad says...

The top and bottom of it is, that all the nay-sayers cannot cope with the fact that Burnley are doing so well with one of the smallest squads and budgets in the Championships. It defies logic, and it defies the odds. Yes, if we go up, we'll probably come straight back down; if we do by some miracle manage to stay up, we'll lose players left, right and centre because loyalty counts for nothing in football these days, but at least we'll be able to hold our heads up and say that we did it in the face of adversity, and it will prove that money doesn't always bring success. Sometimes it's just down to desire, hard work and sheer bloody mindedness. Sean Dyche knows how to run a team without resorting to insulting other teams, whinging or trying to find excuses. Regrettably, with the exception of Harry Redknapp, no other manager in the Championship has recognised that and been decent enough to hold a hand up and say, job well done.
The top and bottom of it is, that all the nay-sayers cannot cope with the fact that Burnley are doing so well with one of the smallest squads and budgets in the Championships. It defies logic, and it defies the odds. Yes, if we go up, we'll probably come straight back down; if we do by some miracle manage to stay up, we'll lose players left, right and centre because loyalty counts for nothing in football these days, but at least we'll be able to hold our heads up and say that we did it in the face of adversity, and it will prove that money doesn't always bring success. Sometimes it's just down to desire, hard work and sheer bloody mindedness. Sean Dyche knows how to run a team without resorting to insulting other teams, whinging or trying to find excuses. Regrettably, with the exception of Harry Redknapp, no other manager in the Championship has recognised that and been decent enough to hold a hand up and say, job well done. rudis_dad

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