Plan for a new place of worship in Blackburn (From This Is Lancashire)

jack daniels wrote:
Re John Wimber "Wimber held a complementarian view of gender roles. This view believes the Bible to teach that a husband is called to lovingly lead, protect and provide for his wife and family, and that the wife should joyfully and intelligently affirm and submit to her husbands leadership. Complementarians also believe the Bible to teach that men are to bear primary responsibility to lead the church and that therefore only men should be elders. Wimber said: 'I believe God has established a gender-based eldership of the church... I endorse the traditional (and what I consider the scriptural) view of a unique leadership role for men in marriage, family, and in the church... this ultimately reflects the hierarchy of the Trinity.' 'I personally do not favor ordaining women as elders in the local church...I encourage our women to participate in any ministry, except church governance" Ahh.. more oppression in the name of the father, the son and the holy ghost.

makaveli96 wrote:
Is this what Henry 8th wanted?

english rose 1 wrote:
I think there are too many churches in Blackburn - they are taking us over ! Mind you just look at the Council Planning Committee - it's mainly made up of Christian Councillors so they are bound to get it !

english rose 1 wrote:
I think there are too many churches in Blackburn - they are taking us over ! Mind you just look at the Council Planning Committee - it's mainly made up of Christian Councillors so they are bound to get it !

neesh wrote:

english rose 1 wrote:
I think there are too many churches in Blackburn - they are taking us over ! Mind you just look at the Council Planning Committee - it's mainly made up of Christian Councillors so they are bound to get it !

nice one.

neesh wrote:

english rose 1 wrote:
I think there are too many churches in Blackburn - they are taking us over ! Mind you just look at the Council Planning Committee - it's mainly made up of Christian Councillors so they are bound to get it !

nice one.

sally786987 wrote:

neesh wrote:

english rose 1 wrote:
I think there are too many churches in Blackburn - they are taking us over ! Mind you just look at the Council Planning Committee - it's mainly made up of Christian Councillors so they are bound to get it !

nice one.

Now that was a laugh out loud moment.

Dont forget we will have more christians in the area, so 'they' will take over local school. There wont be enough room for the rest of us. By 2050 more people in Blackburn will become Christians. Oh and the bells that ring on a sunday are driving out people in the area.

We have had enough the governent needs to do something. They just dont listen to us.

sen c ble wrote:

sally786987 wrote:

neesh wrote:

english rose 1 wrote:
I think there are too many churches in Blackburn - they are taking us over ! Mind you just look at the Council Planning Committee - it's mainly made up of Christian Councillors so they are bound to get it !

nice one.

Now that was a laugh out loud moment.

Dont forget we will have more christians in the area, so 'they' will take over local school. There wont be enough room for the rest of us. By 2050 more people in Blackburn will become Christians. Oh and the bells that ring on a sunday are driving out people in the area.

We have had enough the governent needs to do something. They just dont listen to us.

No matter how loud the bell's ring out, instead of ting tong ting tong, you could make it ring bing bong bing bong, Christian's have forgotten their religion, their creator, and now wish to dictate other's from worshipping by any means possible. For the indigenous a bible is a man made book, but to other faiths a bible is a book of God even thouigh they may not be Christian's. So infact other faith's have more respect for Christianity than 'Christian's themselves!

ste.g wrote:
cant fill churches we have now so good luck with that one

sen c ble wrote:
Hi

1) the once church goers. i.e God, Bible, Jesus believers

2) objections to places of worship, celebrations, gatherings

3) how's mrs?

Sen

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:
Hi

1) the once church goers. i.e God, Bible, Jesus believers

2) objections to places of worship, celebrations, gatherings

3) how's mrs?

Sen

1) but if they are not church goers - does that mean they are not christians -they would be athiests.

2)but who is actually objecting to these places?

3)The Mrs is fine thank you.

Jack

elmo maniac wrote:
I am glad to see more churches. bring back catholics and chistians. it would be a shame to loose them all and i miss the church bells on a sunday morning...

Info-warrior wrote:
David Podmore said:the church would be ‘a 21st century church for the 21st century person.

A 21st century person should have no faith or religion. And for those who want to drag tools like religion of the 20th century in to the 21st century look around you at the world we exist in today and ask yourself "what the world would have been like today without the devides of faiths and religions". Wake up sheeple times running out for all of us the tools of devide thats being used against us as "human beings" can be defeated if you see through the veil of deceit that comes with all faiths religions but mostly governments who use religions as their very own tools.

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sen c ble wrote:

Info-warrior wrote:
David Podmore said:the church would be ‘a 21st century church for the 21st century person.

A 21st century person should have no faith or religion. And for those who want to drag tools like religion of the 20th century in to the 21st century look around you at the world we exist in today and ask yourself "what the world would have been like today without the devides of faiths and religions". Wake up sheeple times running out for all of us the tools of devide thats being used against us as "human beings" can be defeated if you see through the veil of deceit that comes with all faiths religions but mostly governments who use religions as their very own tools.

STOCK UP ON LONGLIFE FOODS BEFORE ITS TO LATE.STOCK UP ON LONGLIFE FOODS BEFORE ITS TO LATE.STOCK UP ON LONGLIFE FOODS BEFORE ITS TO LATE Follow Max Keiser RT.COM TO FIND OUT WHY YOU NEED TO STOCK UP.....The propaganda monster is running out of breath and becoming more desperate and perverse in making others suffer. Each day millions are waking up and seeing through the veil of deceit. Its not to late for you to wake up and prepare yourself for the next crash which will wipe out millions worldwide and when that happens no bodies house done up as a church is going to save you. Just like a skyline full of onions isn't going to feed you...Times running out fast as this as become a matter of not "IF" this next crash is going to happen only "WHEN"...

Get a life, you nerd!

sen c ble wrote:

neesh wrote:

english rose 1 wrote:
I think there are too many churches in Blackburn - they are taking us over ! Mind you just look at the Council Planning Committee - it's mainly made up of Christian Councillors so they are bound to get it !

nice one.

Time to protest our disapprovement. Think of something absolutely stupid, like 'they' do. Let's see. Erm how about, Mill Hill have you considered the flow of traffic, situated closely to Ewood Park. You know it's going to be a nightmare particularly when mid week football is lined-up. What about the parking spaces. Is it going to end up with cars obstructing public highways?
Why can't you use any of the existing empty derelict churches that dominate the sky line. I'm sure there's plenty to choose from! What about the founder John Wimber, an ex beer guzzling, drug-abusing pop musician. We can't have this. It's terrible. I will personally request the relevant authorities to have this looked at, and if need be banned from expanding. What about the value of our homes, in Mill Hill. They are going to decrease as a direct result.
Right, off to the Town Hall!

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:
Hi

1) the once church goers. i.e God, Bible, Jesus believers

2) objections to places of worship, celebrations, gatherings

3) how's mrs?

Sen

1) but if they are not church goers - does that mean they are not christians -they would be athiests.

2)but who is actually objecting to these places?

3)The Mrs is fine thank you.

Jack

1) Christian believers have now abandoned Christian teachings and some if not most have converted to athieism. This I'm referring to a comment I received from an individual who claimed to have 'moved on' to modern, present times. Several occasions I have had members of the white community coming up to me and referring to Sunday morning church goers as 'nutters'. I believe in discipline and just smile it off.

2) Who give's a monkey's. They failed didn't they!

3) Give regards to Mrs!

timeforcommonsense wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

neesh wrote:

english rose 1 wrote:
I think there are too many churches in Blackburn - they are taking us over ! Mind you just look at the Council Planning Committee - it's mainly made up of Christian Councillors so they are bound to get it !

nice one.

Time to protest our disapprovement. Think of something absolutely stupid, like 'they' do. Let's see. Erm how about, Mill Hill have you considered the flow of traffic, situated closely to Ewood Park. You know it's going to be a nightmare particularly when mid week football is lined-up. What about the parking spaces. Is it going to end up with cars obstructing public highways?
Why can't you use any of the existing empty derelict churches that dominate the sky line. I'm sure there's plenty to choose from! What about the founder John Wimber, an ex beer guzzling, drug-abusing pop musician. We can't have this. It's terrible. I will personally request the relevant authorities to have this looked at, and if need be banned from expanding. What about the value of our homes, in Mill Hill. They are going to decrease as a direct result.
Right, off to the Town Hall!

What the hell is disapprovement? Once again an illiterate sentence from the numpty. You mean Disapproval surely.

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:
Hi

1) the once church goers. i.e God, Bible, Jesus believers

2) objections to places of worship, celebrations, gatherings

3) how's mrs?

Sen

1) but if they are not church goers - does that mean they are not christians -they would be athiests.

2)but who is actually objecting to these places?

3)The Mrs is fine thank you.

Jack

1) Christian believers have now abandoned Christian teachings and some if not most have converted to athieism. This I'm referring to a comment I received from an individual who claimed to have 'moved on' to modern, present times. Several occasions I have had members of the white community coming up to me and referring to Sunday morning church goers as 'nutters'. I believe in discipline and just smile it off.

2) Who give's a monkey's. They failed didn't they!

3) Give regards to Mrs!

Christians who don't believe are not Christians. They are just people, as you can be somebody without being defined as a religion. You also can't convert to atheism as it is by definition an absence of faith.

If these people you mentioned don't matter, then why mention them at all?
How do we know they failed? What was their quest?

sen c ble wrote:

sally786987 wrote:

neesh wrote:

english rose 1 wrote: I think there are too many churches in Blackburn - they are taking us over ! Mind you just look at the Council Planning Committee - it's mainly made up of Christian Councillors so they are bound to get it !

nice one.

Now that was a laugh out loud moment. Dont forget we will have more christians in the area, so 'they' will take over local school. There wont be enough room for the rest of us. By 2050 more people in Blackburn will become Christians. Oh and the bells that ring on a sunday are driving out people in the area. We have had enough the governent needs to do something. They just dont listen to us.

No matter how loud the bell's ring out, instead of ting tong ting tong, you could make it ring bing bong bing bong, Christian's have forgotten their religion, their creator, and now wish to dictate other's from worshipping by any means possible. For the indigenous a bible is a man made book, but to other faiths a bible is a book of God even thouigh they may not be Christian's. So infact other faith's have more respect for Christianity than 'Christian's themselves!

jack daniels wrote:
@ sen.

I only asked for some clarification regarding the people you where making reference to, whom you felt where on a quest to prevent you from accomplishing something.

I'm also keen to know more about you being approached by atheists who insist on telling you their hypothesis of the mental state of local Christian worshippers.

Info-warrior wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

Info-warrior wrote:
David Podmore said:the church would be ‘a 21st century church for the 21st century person.

A 21st century person should have no faith or religion. And for those who want to drag tools like religion of the 20th century in to the 21st century look around you at the world we exist in today and ask yourself "what the world would have been like today without the devides of faiths and religions". Wake up sheeple times running out for all of us the tools of devide thats being used against us as "human beings" can be defeated if you see through the veil of deceit that comes with all faiths religions but mostly governments who use religions as their very own tools.

STOCK UP ON LONGLIFE FOODS BEFORE ITS TO LATE.STOCK UP ON LONGLIFE FOODS BEFORE ITS TO LATE.STOCK UP ON LONGLIFE FOODS BEFORE ITS TO LATE Follow Max Keiser RT.COM TO FIND OUT WHY YOU NEED TO STOCK UP.....The propaganda monster is running out of breath and becoming more desperate and perverse in making others suffer. Each day millions are waking up and seeing through the veil of deceit. Its not to late for you to wake up and prepare yourself for the next crash which will wipe out millions worldwide and when that happens no bodies house done up as a church is going to save you. Just like a skyline full of onions isn't going to feed you...Times running out fast as this as become a matter of not "IF" this next crash is going to happen only "WHEN"...

Get a life, you nerd!

Grow up..And stop your keyboard cr@p.

ladysal wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

sally786987 wrote:

neesh wrote:

english rose 1 wrote: I think there are too many churches in Blackburn - they are taking us over ! Mind you just look at the Council Planning Committee - it's mainly made up of Christian Councillors so they are bound to get it !

nice one.

Now that was a laugh out loud moment. Dont forget we will have more christians in the area, so 'they' will take over local school. There wont be enough room for the rest of us. By 2050 more people in Blackburn will become Christians. Oh and the bells that ring on a sunday are driving out people in the area. We have had enough the governent needs to do something. They just dont listen to us.

No matter how loud the bell's ring out, instead of ting tong ting tong, you could make it ring bing bong bing bong, Christian's have forgotten their religion, their creator, and now wish to dictate other's from worshipping by any means possible. For the indigenous a bible is a man made book, but to other faiths a bible is a book of God even thouigh they may not be Christian's. So infact other faith's have more respect for Christianity than 'Christian's themselves!

I beg to differ with your comment about other faith's respect for the book. I have respect for the Bible, but see it as it is: a book of instruction and information written by human beings for other human beings. I have got involved in a row with a person of another faith who viewed the bible as of no importance because "their book was written by God and arrived on earth complete and ours didn't" So some faiths have respect for Christianity (frequently those who also use the Bible), but there are a lot that don't.

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:
@ sen.

I only asked for some clarification regarding the people you where making reference to, whom you felt where on a quest to prevent you from accomplishing something.

I'm also keen to know more about you being approached by atheists who insist on telling you their hypothesis of the mental state of local Christian worshippers.

Not sure whether he was a 30-40yr old atheist. He was referring the elderly who were early one Sunday morning entering church and acknowledged by moving his head saying 'look at these nutters'. He did not know who I was and because I have an asian appearance, but very pale white in skin colour, oriental, he thouight I would similarily quote in his favour.
You know Jack this is what drives me mad. Idiots who choose to crticise others for their beliefs. Believe in God or you don't. Non of my *****n business, but what gives the right to one individual who decides to think they are right and others are wrong. Discuss and debate by all means.
Take the mick, expect commanding response!

sen c ble wrote:

ladysal wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

sally786987 wrote:

neesh wrote:

english rose 1 wrote: I think there are too many churches in Blackburn - they are taking us over ! Mind you just look at the Council Planning Committee - it's mainly made up of Christian Councillors so they are bound to get it !

nice one.

Now that was a laugh out loud moment. Dont forget we will have more christians in the area, so 'they' will take over local school. There wont be enough room for the rest of us. By 2050 more people in Blackburn will become Christians. Oh and the bells that ring on a sunday are driving out people in the area. We have had enough the governent needs to do something. They just dont listen to us.

No matter how loud the bell's ring out, instead of ting tong ting tong, you could make it ring bing bong bing bong, Christian's have forgotten their religion, their creator, and now wish to dictate other's from worshipping by any means possible. For the indigenous a bible is a man made book, but to other faiths a bible is a book of God even thouigh they may not be Christian's. So infact other faith's have more respect for Christianity than 'Christian's themselves!

I beg to differ with your comment about other faith's respect for the book. I have respect for the Bible, but see it as it is: a book of instruction and information written by human beings for other human beings. I have got involved in a row with a person of another faith who viewed the bible as of no importance because "their book was written by God and arrived on earth complete and ours didn't" So some faiths have respect for Christianity (frequently those who also use the Bible), but there are a lot that don't.

That's fine but you will appreciate Jesus and Moses are more dear and close to Islam and Musleems, because as I see it Islam is a lead on from Judaism and Christianity and the Koran makes mention of these prophets, liksewise.

Fire Fly wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:
@ sen.

I only asked for some clarification regarding the people you where making reference to, whom you felt where on a quest to prevent you from accomplishing something.

I'm also keen to know more about you being approached by atheists who insist on telling you their hypothesis of the mental state of local Christian worshippers.

Not sure whether he was a 30-40yr old atheist. He was referring the elderly who were early one Sunday morning entering church and acknowledged by moving his head saying 'look at these nutters'. He did not know who I was and because I have an asian appearance, but very pale white in skin colour, oriental, he thouight I would similarily quote in his favour.
You know Jack this is what drives me mad. Idiots who choose to crticise others for their beliefs. Believe in God or you don't. Non of my *****n business, but what gives the right to one individual who decides to think they are right and others are wrong. Discuss and debate by all means.
Take the mick, expect commanding response!

...maybe they aren't criticising but merely expressing an opinion??

In all fairness, some random person on the street making a comment to you as they pass, that the elderly people attending church were nutters...was the real nutter in my book. I personally wouldn't have taken that as anything & not enough to use it as reference as you did earlier.

I dont know a huge amount about the Muslim faith but how it comes over to me is (and its an observation not a criticism) Muslims don't appear to be able to take a more relaxed approach to religion as Chirstians can? What I mean by that is, Christians don't have to attend church in order to be a good Christian, we can still pray &/or uphold Christian beliefs etc privately, as I prefer to do....and that's ok to do in Christianity.

Attending mosque seems like its a must do, as in you don't really get a choice but as I say I dont know its that right or not, its just what comes over to me.

Being a non believer is a choice (as Jack Daniels said earlier) & any individual should be able to make that choice without criticism on any level. It doesn't make you any less of a person to have other beliefs.

You did say in an earlier reply that the people who make you mad are those that choose to criticise others for their beliefs...but you have done that very same thing in leveling criticism at those who you felt have abandoned the Christian teachings etc because they don't attend church...but what you don't actually know, is if they practice faith privately. Never judge a book by its cover & never assume that what you see & think is right, its only right for you.

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

ladysal wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

sally786987 wrote:

neesh wrote:

english rose 1 wrote: I think there are too many churches in Blackburn - they are taking us over ! Mind you just look at the Council Planning Committee - it's mainly made up of Christian Councillors so they are bound to get it !

nice one.

Now that was a laugh out loud moment. Dont forget we will have more christians in the area, so 'they' will take over local school. There wont be enough room for the rest of us. By 2050 more people in Blackburn will become Christians. Oh and the bells that ring on a sunday are driving out people in the area. We have had enough the governent needs to do something. They just dont listen to us.

No matter how loud the bell's ring out, instead of ting tong ting tong, you could make it ring bing bong bing bong, Christian's have forgotten their religion, their creator, and now wish to dictate other's from worshipping by any means possible. For the indigenous a bible is a man made book, but to other faiths a bible is a book of God even thouigh they may not be Christian's. So infact other faith's have more respect for Christianity than 'Christian's themselves!

I beg to differ with your comment about other faith's respect for the book. I have respect for the Bible, but see it as it is: a book of instruction and information written by human beings for other human beings. I have got involved in a row with a person of another faith who viewed the bible as of no importance because "their book was written by God and arrived on earth complete and ours didn't" So some faiths have respect for Christianity (frequently those who also use the Bible), but there are a lot that don't.

That's fine but you will appreciate Jesus and Moses are more dear and close to Islam and Musleems, because as I see it Islam is a lead on from Judaism and Christianity and the Koran makes mention of these prophets, liksewise.

You're making it sound like a competition. From my point of view it seems that God keeps telling the same story but nobody is listening.....

Maybe we should let women run the whole thing; as all these men haven't done too good so far.

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

ladysal wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

sally786987 wrote:

neesh wrote:

english rose 1 wrote: I think there are too many churches in Blackburn - they are taking us over ! Mind you just look at the Council Planning Committee - it's mainly made up of Christian Councillors so they are bound to get it !

nice one.

Now that was a laugh out loud moment. Dont forget we will have more christians in the area, so 'they' will take over local school. There wont be enough room for the rest of us. By 2050 more people in Blackburn will become Christians. Oh and the bells that ring on a sunday are driving out people in the area. We have had enough the governent needs to do something. They just dont listen to us.

No matter how loud the bell's ring out, instead of ting tong ting tong, you could make it ring bing bong bing bong, Christian's have forgotten their religion, their creator, and now wish to dictate other's from worshipping by any means possible. For the indigenous a bible is a man made book, but to other faiths a bible is a book of God even thouigh they may not be Christian's. So infact other faith's have more respect for Christianity than 'Christian's themselves!

I beg to differ with your comment about other faith's respect for the book. I have respect for the Bible, but see it as it is: a book of instruction and information written by human beings for other human beings. I have got involved in a row with a person of another faith who viewed the bible as of no importance because "their book was written by God and arrived on earth complete and ours didn't" So some faiths have respect for Christianity (frequently those who also use the Bible), but there are a lot that don't.

That's fine but you will appreciate Jesus and Moses are more dear and close to Islam and Musleems, because as I see it Islam is a lead on from Judaism and Christianity and the Koran makes mention of these prophets, liksewise.

You're making it sound like a competition. From my point of view it seems that God keeps telling the same story but nobody is listening.....

Maybe we should let women run the whole thing; as all these men haven't done too good so far.

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

ladysal wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

sally786987 wrote:

neesh wrote:

english rose 1 wrote: I think there are too many churches in Blackburn - they are taking us over ! Mind you just look at the Council Planning Committee - it's mainly made up of Christian Councillors so they are bound to get it !

nice one.

Now that was a laugh out loud moment. Dont forget we will have more christians in the area, so 'they' will take over local school. There wont be enough room for the rest of us. By 2050 more people in Blackburn will become Christians. Oh and the bells that ring on a sunday are driving out people in the area. We have had enough the governent needs to do something. They just dont listen to us.

No matter how loud the bell's ring out, instead of ting tong ting tong, you could make it ring bing bong bing bong, Christian's have forgotten their religion, their creator, and now wish to dictate other's from worshipping by any means possible. For the indigenous a bible is a man made book, but to other faiths a bible is a book of God even thouigh they may not be Christian's. So infact other faith's have more respect for Christianity than 'Christian's themselves!

I beg to differ with your comment about other faith's respect for the book. I have respect for the Bible, but see it as it is: a book of instruction and information written by human beings for other human beings. I have got involved in a row with a person of another faith who viewed the bible as of no importance because "their book was written by God and arrived on earth complete and ours didn't" So some faiths have respect for Christianity (frequently those who also use the Bible), but there are a lot that don't.

That's fine but you will appreciate Jesus and Moses are more dear and close to Islam and Musleems, because as I see it Islam is a lead on from Judaism and Christianity and the Koran makes mention of these prophets, liksewise.

You're making it sound like a competition. From my point of view it seems that God keeps telling the same story but nobody is listening.....

Maybe we should let women run the whole thing; as all these men haven't done too good so far.

Look how mother of Jesus, Mary ended up!

sen c ble wrote:

Info-warrior wrote:
David Podmore said:the church would be ‘a 21st century church for the 21st century person.

A 21st century person should have no faith or religion. And for those who want to drag tools like religion of the 20th century in to the 21st century look around you at the world we exist in today and ask yourself "what the world would have been like today without the devides of faiths and religions". Wake up sheeple times running out for all of us the tools of devide thats being used against us as "human beings" can be defeated if you see through the veil of deceit that comes with all faiths religions but mostly governments who use religions as their very own tools.

STOCK UP ON LONGLIFE FOODS BEFORE ITS TO LATE.STOCK UP ON LONGLIFE FOODS BEFORE ITS TO LATE.STOCK UP ON LONGLIFE FOODS BEFORE ITS TO LATE Follow Max Keiser RT.COM TO FIND OUT WHY YOU NEED TO STOCK UP.....The propaganda monster is running out of breath and becoming more desperate and perverse in making others suffer. Each day millions are waking up and seeing through the veil of deceit. Its not to late for you to wake up and prepare yourself for the next crash which will wipe out millions worldwide and when that happens no bodies house done up as a church is going to save you. Just like a skyline full of onions isn't going to feed you...Times running out fast as this as become a matter of not "IF" this next crash is going to happen only "WHEN"...

Get a life, you nerd!

sen c ble wrote:
J.D
You're always very keen on my opinion!

I would like to know what you thought I meant, or what it is you know from that particular comment?

Good call wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

Info-warrior wrote:
David Podmore said:the church would be ‘a 21st century church for the 21st century person.

A 21st century person should have no faith or religion. And for those who want to drag tools like religion of the 20th century in to the 21st century look around you at the world we exist in today and ask yourself "what the world would have been like today without the devides of faiths and religions". Wake up sheeple times running out for all of us the tools of devide thats being used against us as "human beings" can be defeated if you see through the veil of deceit that comes with all faiths religions but mostly governments who use religions as their very own tools.

STOCK UP ON LONGLIFE FOODS BEFORE ITS TO LATE.STOCK UP ON LONGLIFE FOODS BEFORE ITS TO LATE.STOCK UP ON LONGLIFE FOODS BEFORE ITS TO LATE Follow Max Keiser RT.COM TO FIND OUT WHY YOU NEED TO STOCK UP.....The propaganda monster is running out of breath and becoming more desperate and perverse in making others suffer. Each day millions are waking up and seeing through the veil of deceit. Its not to late for you to wake up and prepare yourself for the next crash which will wipe out millions worldwide and when that happens no bodies house done up as a church is going to save you. Just like a skyline full of onions isn't going to feed you...Times running out fast as this as become a matter of not "IF" this next crash is going to happen only "WHEN"...

Get a life, you nerd!

Will you thinking that Info-Warrior and the rest of us who are stocking up on food,water and other essentials are nerds who need to "get a life" if you lost your job and had to go to the food bank,or perhaps there was a hiccup in the food deliveries to the supermarkets (fuel strikes or blockades of refineries,bad winter weather) and you went to the shops to find they had been stripped bare.Look at last year,within 3 or 4 days, many cities had next to no rule of law, if it was like that last summer what would happen if people couldn't get hold of food.

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:
J.D
You're always very keen on my opinion!

I would like to know what you thought I meant, or what it is you know from that particular comment?

Do you mean she let her own son die?
Do you mean she lived to a ripe old age in a quiet place in Turkey?
Do you mean about the male dominated catholic church using her as an idol?
Why use mother Mary as an example at all?
Help me sen c ble Kenobi, your my only hope!

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:
J.D
You're always very keen on my opinion!

I would like to know what you thought I meant, or what it is you know from that particular comment?

Do you mean she let her own son die?
Do you mean she lived to a ripe old age in a quiet place in Turkey?
Do you mean about the male dominated catholic church using her as an idol?
Why use mother Mary as an example at all?
Help me sen c ble Kenobi, your my only hope!

Well fist of all I wouldn't agree she let her son die and I can't help you with the bits because I don't know, but I do know she has been portrayed as a sinful woman, hence my post. By the way I still await your reply comment 'nutter'!

Your hope should be within you, and only a weak and feeble man would depend on others for a positive outcome.

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:
J.D
You're always very keen on my opinion!

I would like to know what you thought I meant, or what it is you know from that particular comment?

Do you mean she let her own son die?
Do you mean she lived to a ripe old age in a quiet place in Turkey?
Do you mean about the male dominated catholic church using her as an idol?
Why use mother Mary as an example at all?
Help me sen c ble Kenobi, your my only hope!

Well fist of all I wouldn't agree she let her son die and I can't help you with the bits because I don't know, but I do know she has been portrayed as a sinful woman, hence my post. By the way I still await your reply comment 'nutter'!

Your hope should be within you, and only a weak and feeble man would depend on others for a positive outcome.

So your reply to giving women a go at organised religion is - look at how Mary ended up.

Err.... Ok

I didn't expect you to agree to the 'jet her so die' bit, as I was playing your guessing game.

What sin did she actually commit?

sen c ble wrote:

ladysal wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

sally786987 wrote:

neesh wrote:

english rose 1 wrote: I think there are too many churches in Blackburn - they are taking us over ! Mind you just look at the Council Planning Committee - it's mainly made up of Christian Councillors so they are bound to get it !

nice one.

Now that was a laugh out loud moment. Dont forget we will have more christians in the area, so 'they' will take over local school. There wont be enough room for the rest of us. By 2050 more people in Blackburn will become Christians. Oh and the bells that ring on a sunday are driving out people in the area. We have had enough the governent needs to do something. They just dont listen to us.

No matter how loud the bell's ring out, instead of ting tong ting tong, you could make it ring bing bong bing bong, Christian's have forgotten their religion, their creator, and now wish to dictate other's from worshipping by any means possible. For the indigenous a bible is a man made book, but to other faiths a bible is a book of God even thouigh they may not be Christian's. So infact other faith's have more respect for Christianity than 'Christian's themselves!

I beg to differ with your comment about other faith's respect for the book. I have respect for the Bible, but see it as it is: a book of instruction and information written by human beings for other human beings. I have got involved in a row with a person of another faith who viewed the bible as of no importance because "their book was written by God and arrived on earth complete and ours didn't" So some faiths have respect for Christianity (frequently those who also use the Bible), but there are a lot that don't.

That's fine but you will appreciate Jesus and Moses are more dear and close to Islam and Musleems, because as I see it Islam is a lead on from Judaism and Christianity and the Koran makes mention of these prophets, liksewise.

sen c ble wrote:
JD, I'd love to know a little bit more about atheism. Where would you start?

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:
JD, I'd love to know a little bit more about atheism. Where would you start?

usually by waiting for you to answer the question about Mary and her sins.

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote: JD, I'd love to know a little bit more about atheism. Where would you start?

usually by waiting for you to answer the question about Mary and her sins.

Maybe the answer to her 'sins' lies in atheism. So tell me a little more about your beliefs, for a change.

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote: JD, I'd love to know a little bit more about atheism. Where would you start?

usually by waiting for you to answer the question about Mary and her sins.

Maybe the answer to her 'sins' lies in atheism. So tell me a little more about your beliefs, for a change.

Why would you need to know about atheism to answer a question in which YOU stated that Mary has sinned?

sen c ble wrote:

Good call wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

Info-warrior wrote:
David Podmore said:the church would be ‘a 21st century church for the 21st century person.

A 21st century person should have no faith or religion. And for those who want to drag tools like religion of the 20th century in to the 21st century look around you at the world we exist in today and ask yourself "what the world would have been like today without the devides of faiths and religions". Wake up sheeple times running out for all of us the tools of devide thats being used against us as "human beings" can be defeated if you see through the veil of deceit that comes with all faiths religions but mostly governments who use religions as their very own tools.

STOCK UP ON LONGLIFE FOODS BEFORE ITS TO LATE.STOCK UP ON LONGLIFE FOODS BEFORE ITS TO LATE.STOCK UP ON LONGLIFE FOODS BEFORE ITS TO LATE Follow Max Keiser RT.COM TO FIND OUT WHY YOU NEED TO STOCK UP.....The propaganda monster is running out of breath and becoming more desperate and perverse in making others suffer. Each day millions are waking up and seeing through the veil of deceit. Its not to late for you to wake up and prepare yourself for the next crash which will wipe out millions worldwide and when that happens no bodies house done up as a church is going to save you. Just like a skyline full of onions isn't going to feed you...Times running out fast as this as become a matter of not "IF" this next crash is going to happen only "WHEN"...

Get a life, you nerd!

Will you thinking that Info-Warrior and the rest of us who are stocking up on food,water and other essentials are nerds who need to "get a life" if you lost your job and had to go to the food bank,or perhaps there was a hiccup in the food deliveries to the supermarkets (fuel strikes or blockades of refineries,bad winter weather) and you went to the shops to find they had been stripped bare.Look at last year,within 3 or 4 days, many cities had next to no rule of law, if it was like that last summer what would happen if people couldn't get hold of food.

OK. We know that. So what actaually are you and your mates doing?

jack daniels wrote:
@sen

Yes you are right.

There is a difference between being protrayed as sinful and actually committing a sin.

Who's been protraying her as sinful? You must know something as you used this example in my response about women controlling religion for a change.

interesting comment about "Atheism is very similar to Hinduism and Bhuddism".

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:
@sen

Yes you are right.

There is a difference between being protrayed as sinful and actually committing a sin.

Who's been protraying her as sinful? You must know something as you used this example in my response about women controlling religion for a change.

interesting comment about "Atheism is very similar to Hinduism and Bhuddism".

History books will hold your last hope, so refer to it. Atleast it will save me from replying, and further interogation.

That's it is it 'interesting comment'!

sen c ble wrote:
Good call,

A heck of alot of food if you don't know when the next crash is going to be, wouldn't you say?

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:
@sen

Yes you are right.

There is a difference between being protrayed as sinful and actually committing a sin.

Who's been protraying her as sinful? You must know something as you used this example in my response about women controlling religion for a change.

interesting comment about "Atheism is very similar to Hinduism and Bhuddism".

History books will hold your last hope, so refer to it. Atleast it will save me from replying, and further interogation.

That's it is it 'interesting comment'!

It actually feels like you've been writing drivel again and couldn't support your comments.

The fact you didn't twig with the 'Kenobi/only hope' shows how little concept you have with modern western culture.

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

jack daniels wrote:
@sen

Yes you are right.

There is a difference between being protrayed as sinful and actually committing a sin.

Who's been protraying her as sinful? You must know something as you used this example in my response about women controlling religion for a change.

interesting comment about "Atheism is very similar to Hinduism and Bhuddism".

History books will hold your last hope, so refer to it. Atleast it will save me from replying, and further interogation.

That's it is it 'interesting comment'!

It actually feels like you've been writing drivel again and couldn't support your comments.

The fact you didn't twig with the 'Kenobi/only hope' shows how little concept you have with modern western culture.

Loser Jack I knew it was coming to this. You're 8loody pathetic. I blancked your Kenobi jibe deliberately you buffoon. Mary for giving birth to Jesus was labelled a whore. There you go shove that up your 455.
Just prove one point. Your acceptance that God is in our hearts and absolutely no need for any person to attend a place of worship. Prove it or you're a LIAR!

jack daniels wrote:
@sen

..because I said 'I'd like to think that if God is in your heart, you don't need a church to communicate with him/her.'

That does not mean that I accept that God exists; it's that I accept that YOU believe and that's all YOU need. Not a screwed up organisation that 'asks' for money on a regular basis.

Fire fly liked my words, and it was to fire fly that I spoke.

Not you a low life like liar like you.

How could I ever prove that God (who doesn't exist in my opinion) is in the heart of an evil, narrow minded, low life street urchin such as yourself?

You have Jin in you sen. You need to pop back home and see a wiseman to get rid of the evil you have in you. You where at odds with many people on here and you failed to silence them and you failed to back up your comments about Mary.

You are the t urd that will not flush.

Fire Fly wrote:
@ sen c ble...

I've NEVER heard Mary referred to as 'a whore for giving birth to Jesus'.

Your words in reply to me earlier... 'It would be against my beliefs to criticise or insult another religion'...calling the Mother of Jesus a whore is doing exactly that. You're a hypocrite !

The problem with you is...you don't know the difference between fact & fiction. When anyone asks you to explain a reply you've posted...you can't or won't because what you 'claim' simply can't be backed up.

Can I, in the best possible way...suggest you purchase some books by an author called Enid Blyton, these are quite simply worded, contain nothing to taxing brain wise so even you can understand them. However, please do have an appropriate adult next to you when reading, just in case I overestimated your reading ability.

sen c ble wrote:

Fire Fly wrote:
@ sen c ble...

I've NEVER heard Mary referred to as 'a whore for giving birth to Jesus'.

Your words in reply to me earlier... 'It would be against my beliefs to criticise or insult another religion'...calling the Mother of Jesus a whore is doing exactly that. You're a hypocrite !

The problem with you is...you don't know the difference between fact & fiction. When anyone asks you to explain a reply you've posted...you can't or won't because what you 'claim' simply can't be backed up.

Can I, in the best possible way...suggest you purchase some books by an author called Enid Blyton, these are quite simply worded, contain nothing to taxing brain wise so even you can understand them. However, please do have an appropriate adult next to you when reading, just in case I overestimated your reading ability.

I wouldn't dare call or assume Mother of Jesus as others would, and just because you personally NEVER heard or been made aware doesn't mean I am incorrect. May I suggest you refer to the religion prior to Christanity for confirmation and in particular the, 'Talmud'.
Your frustration and anger is understandable and why it's aimed at myself. Your request for me to point you in the correct direction so you could oppose to certain sects of the community who wish to celebrate in the cemetery, is not my duty. Once again your lack of knowledge is evident and your inability to self stand in the community, hence why people like you choose to side with others. Your incapability to reckon people in the manner in which they communicate is a weakness, and my reluctance to answer moron and cretin, jack daniels, is my victory, and would reqest the third person to distance themself. Only the gifted few, will excercise their strengths even without meeting the person. That would be asking too much from you, let alone understand!

jack daniels wrote:
@sen

..because I said 'I'd like to think that if God is in your heart, you don't need a church to communicate with him/her.'

That does not mean that I accept that God exists; it's that I accept that YOU believe and that's all YOU need. Not a screwed up organisation that 'asks' for money on a regular basis.

Fire fly liked my words, and it was to fire fly that I spoke.

Not you a low life like liar like you.

How could I ever prove that God (who doesn't exist in my opinion) is in the heart of an evil, narrow minded, low life street urchin such as yourself?

You have Jin in you sen. You need to pop back home and see a wiseman to get rid of the evil you have in you. You where at odds with many people on here and you failed to silence them and you failed to back up your comments about Mary.

You are the t urd that will not flush.

Fire Fly wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

Fire Fly wrote:
@ sen c ble...

I've NEVER heard Mary referred to as 'a whore for giving birth to Jesus'.

Your words in reply to me earlier... 'It would be against my beliefs to criticise or insult another religion'...calling the Mother of Jesus a whore is doing exactly that. You're a hypocrite !

The problem with you is...you don't know the difference between fact & fiction. When anyone asks you to explain a reply you've posted...you can't or won't because what you 'claim' simply can't be backed up.

Can I, in the best possible way...suggest you purchase some books by an author called Enid Blyton, these are quite simply worded, contain nothing to taxing brain wise so even you can understand them. However, please do have an appropriate adult next to you when reading, just in case I overestimated your reading ability.

I wouldn't dare call or assume Mother of Jesus as others would, and just because you personally NEVER heard or been made aware doesn't mean I am incorrect. May I suggest you refer to the religion prior to Christanity for confirmation and in particular the, 'Talmud'.
Your frustration and anger is understandable and why it's aimed at myself. Your request for me to point you in the correct direction so you could oppose to certain sects of the community who wish to celebrate in the cemetery, is not my duty. Once again your lack of knowledge is evident and your inability to self stand in the community, hence why people like you choose to side with others. Your incapability to reckon people in the manner in which they communicate is a weakness, and my reluctance to answer moron and cretin, jack daniels, is my victory, and would reqest the third person to distance themself. Only the gifted few, will excercise their strengths even without meeting the person. That would be asking too much from you, let alone understand!

Dear oh dear!

You made your initial statement about Mary & are now trying to sound high & mighty by claiming you wouldn't dare or call her as others did...when you started that you made it sound very much as it were you calling her as such. Phrase correctly if you prefer not to be viewed in that way.

Re the cemetery thing...I most certainly did not ask for your direction so I could oppose certain sects of the community. I opposed their request to celebrate as they wanted in the place they wanted & I still strongly do so. Dear god the day I ask you for guidance is the day i'll shoot myself !


My inability to self stand in the community & choose to side with others??
I've no real clue as to why you take that view however, I think you'll find I am fully able to express my views with or without support of 'the community' & if I choose 'to side' with someone its generally because I have the capacity to understand their views & therefore make a choice to support them or not. I believe i've demonstrated that on many many occasions in my posts. Shame you don't take enough time to read & digest them as they are brilliant ;)

jack daniels wrote:
@sen

Yes you are right.

There is a difference between being protrayed as sinful and actually committing a sin.

Who's been protraying her as sinful? You must know something as you used this example in my response about women controlling religion for a change.

interesting comment about "Atheism is very similar to Hinduism and Bhuddism".

sen c ble wrote:

Fire Fly wrote:

sen c ble wrote:

Fire Fly wrote:
@ sen c ble...

I've NEVER heard Mary referred to as 'a whore for giving birth to Jesus'.

Your words in reply to me earlier... 'It would be against my beliefs to criticise or insult another religion'...calling the Mother of Jesus a whore is doing exactly that. You're a hypocrite !

The problem with you is...you don't know the difference between fact & fiction. When anyone asks you to explain a reply you've posted...you can't or won't because what you 'claim' simply can't be backed up.

Can I, in the best possible way...suggest you purchase some books by an author called Enid Blyton, these are quite simply worded, contain nothing to taxing brain wise so even you can understand them. However, please do have an appropriate adult next to you when reading, just in case I overestimated your reading ability.

I wouldn't dare call or assume Mother of Jesus as others would, and just because you personally NEVER heard or been made aware doesn't mean I am incorrect. May I suggest you refer to the religion prior to Christanity for confirmation and in particular the, 'Talmud'.
Your frustration and anger is understandable and why it's aimed at myself. Your request for me to point you in the correct direction so you could oppose to certain sects of the community who wish to celebrate in the cemetery, is not my duty. Once again your lack of knowledge is evident and your inability to self stand in the community, hence why people like you choose to side with others. Your incapability to reckon people in the manner in which they communicate is a weakness, and my reluctance to answer moron and cretin, jack daniels, is my victory, and would reqest the third person to distance themself. Only the gifted few, will excercise their strengths even without meeting the person. That would be asking too much from you, let alone understand!

Dear oh dear!

You made your initial statement about Mary & are now trying to sound high & mighty by claiming you wouldn't dare or call her as others did...when you started that you made it sound very much as it were you calling her as such. Phrase correctly if you prefer not to be viewed in that way.

Re the cemetery thing...I most certainly did not ask for your direction so I could oppose certain sects of the community. I opposed their request to celebrate as they wanted in the place they wanted & I still strongly do so. Dear god the day I ask you for guidance is the day i'll shoot myself !


My inability to self stand in the community & choose to side with others??
I've no real clue as to why you take that view however, I think you'll find I am fully able to express my views with or without support of 'the community' & if I choose 'to side' with someone its generally because I have the capacity to understand their views & therefore make a choice to support them or not. I believe i've demonstrated that on many many occasions in my posts. Shame you don't take enough time to read & digest them as they are brilliant ;)

Mother Mary is in my heart just as Jesus and I believe they were God's chosen one, and were sacrificed for our sins.

I was referring to dipstick jd, and you should refrain from butting in our conversation as you are not actually aware, in which manner, and how we communicate. These questions were not directed to you, as I would have received the true answers and meanings. You will have noted no doubt, I did not receive any positive output from that cretin!

Coming back to the cemetery issues. You are not the only one opposed to the bing bang boong disturbances, but you to mention in news articles irrelevant to the issue, is like discussing your concerns with a brick wall.

So get off my back!

jack daniels wrote:
well done sen, your bullying rudeness has exceeded all previous limits.