200 hospital jobs to go

First published in News

THE Royal Bolton Hospital has announced that more than 200 jobs will go as chiefs work to save £50 million over the next three years.

Bosses, who have to save £20 million this year, have not ruled out the possibility of redundancies .

They insist the job losses will not affect frontline services, but union representatives say any cuts to back room positions will directly affect doctors and nurses.

Lesley Doherty, the chief executive of Bolton NHS Foundation Trust, told the Council of Governors that “at least 200 jobs” would be affected.

The announcement comes after an advertisement for a new chief operating officer at the hospital was posted on the NHS Jobs website.

The description states the job comes with a “significant six figure salary and benefits”.

Some of the 200 posts have already gone — when the laundry service and printing service were out-sourced earlier this year — and the hospital is hoping many will come from natural wastage — such as retirement.

A spokesman from the hospital has also said some staff will be re-deployed where possible into different jobs within the Royal Bolton.

The hospital has introduced a vacancy freeze for all but the most essential posts and has re-introduced MARS (Mutually Agreed Resignation Scheme), which staff can voluntarily make application to.

Ms Doherty said: “It would be wrong of me to say this will not affect jobs.

“There are at least 200 jobs that will be affected this year. As much as possible will be natural wastage. We will look at turnover. It will mean some posts going though.

“This is going to be tough times for this organisation as it is for the NHS. We are going to have to make some real decisions about health services across the NHS, not just Bolton.

“I don’t know what they are, but we can’t just keep making savings from the same place all the time.

“We are not looking to make any changes to our frontline nurse staffing.”

Unions say the hospital is down to its “bare minimum”.

Harry Hanley, branch secretary for Unison, said: “They are saying it won’t affect frontline staff but of course it will.

“Services will start to suffer. It will affect patient care.

“They can’t make those kind of savings without slashing services and I think some departments could close.

“They are going to have to make people redundant , they might disguise it as MARS, but one way or another, they will go and it is worrying.

“The staff don’t know what it happening. They don’t know if they have got a job tomorrow or next week — some of these people have worked here all their working lives and they are very stressed.”

In addition to the chief operating officer position, which is to replace Andrew Colgan who left earlier this year, the hospital has been required by health watchdog Monitor to appoint a Turnaround Director and external advisers.

Heather Edwards, head of communications at the hospital, said the board vacancy post and salary is “in line with other trusts of this size”.

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9:37am Fri 10 Aug 12

temujin says...

RBH is a failing hospital.

Consider outsourcing to a company with a proven record of turning round such hospitals, as Circle did with Hinchingbrooke.
RBH is a failing hospital. Consider outsourcing to a company with a proven record of turning round such hospitals, as Circle did with Hinchingbrooke. temujin
  • Score: -8

9:50am Fri 10 Aug 12

tommy says...

And with the incoming influx of people who can't go to the walk in centre, this is a disaster waiting to happen.

It's a targets based business nowadays. Just backwards.
And with the incoming influx of people who can't go to the walk in centre, this is a disaster waiting to happen. It's a targets based business nowadays. Just backwards. tommy
  • Score: 5

11:31am Fri 10 Aug 12

MsMooseGirl says...

Shall we just erase Bolton altogether? I mean, poor hospitals, poor schools, poor travel amenities, endless business leaving for pastures new, shops boarded up, lack of housing and finally yet importantly let’s not forget the traffic wardens... driving people away!
Shall we just erase Bolton altogether? I mean, poor hospitals, poor schools, poor travel amenities, endless business leaving for pastures new, shops boarded up, lack of housing and finally yet importantly let’s not forget the traffic wardens... driving people away! MsMooseGirl
  • Score: 11

11:36am Fri 10 Aug 12

Apeface68 says...

MsMooseGirl wrote:
Shall we just erase Bolton altogether? I mean, poor hospitals, poor schools, poor travel amenities, endless business leaving for pastures new, shops boarded up, lack of housing and finally yet importantly let’s not forget the traffic wardens... driving people away!
How about the negative attitude of Bolton people too? They dont really inspire people to think positive when all they have to get for in a morning is a whinge on the BN website.
[quote][p][bold]MsMooseGirl[/bold] wrote: Shall we just erase Bolton altogether? I mean, poor hospitals, poor schools, poor travel amenities, endless business leaving for pastures new, shops boarded up, lack of housing and finally yet importantly let’s not forget the traffic wardens... driving people away![/p][/quote]How about the negative attitude of Bolton people too? They dont really inspire people to think positive when all they have to get for in a morning is a whinge on the BN website. Apeface68
  • Score: -1

12:04pm Fri 10 Aug 12

Undetectableman says...

Hopefully the staffing cuts will be from the managerial administrative side rather than those who work at the cutting edge and deal with hands on patient care!
Hopefully the staffing cuts will be from the managerial administrative side rather than those who work at the cutting edge and deal with hands on patient care! Undetectableman
  • Score: 2

1:04pm Fri 10 Aug 12

Sharples star says...

Admin and managerial staff are just as necessary. They have families, mortgages and bills too. And you fail to recognise that if those posts go, someone else would only have to do their roles, ultimately affecting patient care. Who would process Wages, order drugs and supplies, book appointments? Don't look at it like its so simple sorry.
Admin and managerial staff are just as necessary. They have families, mortgages and bills too. And you fail to recognise that if those posts go, someone else would only have to do their roles, ultimately affecting patient care. Who would process Wages, order drugs and supplies, book appointments? Don't look at it like its so simple sorry. Sharples star
  • Score: 10

1:26pm Fri 10 Aug 12

exiled says...

Pretty much all NHS hopitals and centres should make cuts to reign in the overspend and to clear out underperforming staff at all departments. Endless stories of basic medical care neglect and then a simple aploogy is not acceptable. My 3-point simple plan:

1. Employ only those ward staff who can speak English language to an excellent and fluent standard. The assessment and needs of patients can be more quickly and effectively applied.
2. Exclude medical attention for self-inflicted and avoidable injuries such as dangerous sports, smoking, pranks, etc unless immediate danger to life. Those activities could be charged or covered by personal insurance.
3. Implement limited time contracts (max 3 years) for senior high paying positions, so termination and dismissal costs (usually for negligence or incompetence) are limited and reduced.

I know there's bound to be detailed comments and scenarios to oppose those points, but perhaps it's a starting point to build on and review.
Pretty much all NHS hopitals and centres should make cuts to reign in the overspend and to clear out underperforming staff at all departments. Endless stories of basic medical care neglect and then a simple aploogy is not acceptable. My 3-point simple plan: 1. Employ only those ward staff who can speak English language to an excellent and fluent standard. The assessment and needs of patients can be more quickly and effectively applied. 2. Exclude medical attention for self-inflicted and avoidable injuries such as dangerous sports, smoking, pranks, etc unless immediate danger to life. Those activities could be charged or covered by personal insurance. 3. Implement limited time contracts (max 3 years) for senior high paying positions, so termination and dismissal costs (usually for negligence or incompetence) are limited and reduced. I know there's bound to be detailed comments and scenarios to oppose those points, but perhaps it's a starting point to build on and review. exiled
  • Score: 1

2:34pm Fri 10 Aug 12

MESmith says...

The tories wish to dismantle the NHS. Fact. They are already doing it in front of your very eyes. They create 'failing hospitals' deliberately by slashing budgets and setting targets the hospital can not possibly reach. They are then fined millions of pounds for not reaching those targets, creating a debt which forces the hospital to make even greater cuts! Services are then hived off to private companies. Private companies only interest is making a profit, not patient care. Cleaning staff are given inferior cleaning products because they are cheaper. They use as few staff as possible to maximize the profit margin. The local community are tricked into turning against their hospital and blame them for delivering a 'poor service'. Dont be fooled.
The tories wish to dismantle the NHS. Fact. They are already doing it in front of your very eyes. They create 'failing hospitals' deliberately by slashing budgets and setting targets the hospital can not possibly reach. They are then fined millions of pounds for not reaching those targets, creating a debt which forces the hospital to make even greater cuts! Services are then hived off to private companies. Private companies only interest is making a profit, not patient care. Cleaning staff are given inferior cleaning products because they are cheaper. They use as few staff as possible to maximize the profit margin. The local community are tricked into turning against their hospital and blame them for delivering a 'poor service'. Dont be fooled. MESmith
  • Score: 15

2:47pm Fri 10 Aug 12

afemale says...

"natural wastage" what kind of a term is that ?? i take it they are referring to members of staff who will be retiring!!!! a very distasteful and disrespectful term to use taking into consideration these members of staff have put years of hardwork and loyalty into the service!!! disgusting yet typical i say!!!!
"natural wastage" what kind of a term is that ?? i take it they are referring to members of staff who will be retiring!!!! a very distasteful and disrespectful term to use taking into consideration these members of staff have put years of hardwork and loyalty into the service!!! disgusting yet typical i say!!!! afemale
  • Score: 7

3:27pm Fri 10 Aug 12

MsMooseGirl says...

Apeface68 wrote:
MsMooseGirl wrote:
Shall we just erase Bolton altogether? I mean, poor hospitals, poor schools, poor travel amenities, endless business leaving for pastures new, shops boarded up, lack of housing and finally yet importantly let’s not forget the traffic wardens... driving people away!
How about the negative attitude of Bolton people too? They dont really inspire people to think positive when all they have to get for in a morning is a whinge on the BN website.
I think your name answers this question!
[quote][p][bold]Apeface68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MsMooseGirl[/bold] wrote: Shall we just erase Bolton altogether? I mean, poor hospitals, poor schools, poor travel amenities, endless business leaving for pastures new, shops boarded up, lack of housing and finally yet importantly let’s not forget the traffic wardens... driving people away![/p][/quote]How about the negative attitude of Bolton people too? They dont really inspire people to think positive when all they have to get for in a morning is a whinge on the BN website.[/p][/quote]I think your name answers this question! MsMooseGirl
  • Score: 3

4:10pm Fri 10 Aug 12

ka2679 says...

As someone who works for this Trust (and it is not just hospital, but healthcare services across Bolton, as inaccurately reported in the Bolton News). I know that staff work above and beyond to deliver the best services they can for our patients - often in very difficult circumstances. The NHS is more than just doctors and nurses, it is porters, cleaners, admin staff, radiographers, physiotherapists etc who all work together to do their best for our organisation and our patients. If these staff were to go, who would do their job? The doctors and nurses? Taking them away from patient care?!

I am appalled by some of the negative comments left. You should get behind your local NHS, not constantly attack it and put our staff down! We are in real danger of loosing our healthcare services in Bolton and then you would have something to really moan about if you or your loved one needed medical treatment and had to travel across the region to access it!

The NHS was celebrated in the Olympic opening ceremony as one of this country's greatest achievements, and yes it is not perfect and yes we recognise the need for radical change and are willing to do all we can to change and make sure we secure our services for our local population, not only for us as staff, but for us as patients, carers, relatives, parents who at one time may rely on the NHS for life saving treatment.

I can only say that those who criticise the NHS without foundation will only really see its' true benefit when it is no longer there. I for one hope it does not come to this, but if it does lets hope you all have lots of money to pay for your own medical treatment and medical insurance (in addition to taxes) because you're going to need it
As someone who works for this Trust (and it is not just hospital, but healthcare services across Bolton, as inaccurately reported in the Bolton News). I know that staff work above and beyond to deliver the best services they can for our patients - often in very difficult circumstances. The NHS is more than just doctors and nurses, it is porters, cleaners, admin staff, radiographers, physiotherapists etc who all work together to do their best for our organisation and our patients. If these staff were to go, who would do their job? The doctors and nurses? Taking them away from patient care?! I am appalled by some of the negative comments left. You should get behind your local NHS, not constantly attack it and put our staff down! We are in real danger of loosing our healthcare services in Bolton and then you would have something to really moan about if you or your loved one needed medical treatment and had to travel across the region to access it! The NHS was celebrated in the Olympic opening ceremony as one of this country's greatest achievements, and yes it is not perfect and yes we recognise the need for radical change and are willing to do all we can to change and make sure we secure our services for our local population, not only for us as staff, but for us as patients, carers, relatives, parents who at one time may rely on the NHS for life saving treatment. I can only say that those who criticise the NHS without foundation will only really see its' true benefit when it is no longer there. I for one hope it does not come to this, but if it does lets hope you all have lots of money to pay for your own medical treatment and medical insurance (in addition to taxes) because you're going to need it ka2679
  • Score: 24

4:38pm Fri 10 Aug 12

greavo says...

Apeface..You really need to wake up and smell the coffee.The town is finished due to poor decisions made by Bolton Council over a period of years. We lost the best fish market in the north west due to the morons sat in the town hall.We also lost the best indoor market due to the same people(who I hasten to add did not listen to public opinion). It would appear that these people have every right to vent their anger and opinions on here be it day or night. It now looks likely that unless a major miracle is performed then the Hospital in Bolton that we all rely on will follow the suit.. Wake up .
Apeface..You really need to wake up and smell the coffee.The town is finished due to poor decisions made by Bolton Council over a period of years. We lost the best fish market in the north west due to the morons sat in the town hall.We also lost the best indoor market due to the same people(who I hasten to add did not listen to public opinion). It would appear that these people have every right to vent their anger and opinions on here be it day or night. It now looks likely that unless a major miracle is performed then the Hospital in Bolton that we all rely on will follow the suit.. Wake up . greavo
  • Score: 9

5:02pm Fri 10 Aug 12

exiled says...

MESmith clearly sat on the fence on this one!

Fact is though, all public sector organisations are heavily loaded with staff (most notably NHS, HMRC, Env Agency) and they can all be more effectively managed.

Is there really a difference between a private service making a profit, and a public service saving money? Both generate a difference between income and cost base. If a cost difference can be made, then it only goes to show the running costs of NHS should be lower anyway.

Half the staff I see at hospitals and HMRC are treading water, and more concerned with their own pensions rather than doing the job for which they are employed. They need to get real.
MESmith clearly sat on the fence on this one! Fact is though, all public sector organisations are heavily loaded with staff (most notably NHS, HMRC, Env Agency) and they can all be more effectively managed. Is there really a difference between a private service making a profit, and a public service saving money? Both generate a difference between income and cost base. If a cost difference can be made, then it only goes to show the running costs of NHS should be lower anyway. Half the staff I see at hospitals and HMRC are treading water, and more concerned with their own pensions rather than doing the job for which they are employed. They need to get real. exiled
  • Score: -5

5:30pm Fri 10 Aug 12

tracy1000 says...

people are always quick to jump in and say "get rid of the admin staff". Who do you think gets your information from your clinic/inpatient visits to your GP and sends out your appointments....admi
n staff. I have been a medical secretary for nearly 20 years and we have recently been downgraded from a band 4 to a 3 therefore losing 3 grand a year after a period of protected pay. Those that applied for their band 4 post which they were already doing have had to take on some of the managers roles who are still being paid an extortionate amount of money for sitting on their ar$e all day. It really riles me that people think we sit around all day waiting for someone to ring....they should spend a week watching exactly what we do and take off the rose coloured glasses
people are always quick to jump in and say "get rid of the admin staff". Who do you think gets your information from your clinic/inpatient visits to your GP and sends out your appointments....admi n staff. I have been a medical secretary for nearly 20 years and we have recently been downgraded from a band 4 to a 3 therefore losing 3 grand a year after a period of protected pay. Those that applied for their band 4 post which they were already doing have had to take on some of the managers roles who are still being paid an extortionate amount of money for sitting on their ar$e all day. It really riles me that people think we sit around all day waiting for someone to ring....they should spend a week watching exactly what we do and take off the rose coloured glasses tracy1000
  • Score: 9

5:39pm Fri 10 Aug 12

oftbewildered says...

I think the way public sector services are run only serves to up the cost. They are obliged to obtain goods and services from approved contractors, who in the past (don't know about now because I am no longer involved) charged high prices on the basis that 'the government was paying'. I know I often ordered supplies which I knew could be obtained cheaper elsewhere. I know things have changed but perhaps there should be even more competitive tendering renewed at regular intervals.
I think the way public sector services are run only serves to up the cost. They are obliged to obtain goods and services from approved contractors, who in the past (don't know about now because I am no longer involved) charged high prices on the basis that 'the government was paying'. I know I often ordered supplies which I knew could be obtained cheaper elsewhere. I know things have changed but perhaps there should be even more competitive tendering renewed at regular intervals. oftbewildered
  • Score: 3

7:10pm Fri 10 Aug 12

macauley says...

can someone explaine why some weeks after you get your appointment by post you get a phone call off someone else sat on there arse to tell you what you allready know.come on get real its jobs like that should go because thats two people getting paid for one job.
can someone explaine why some weeks after you get your appointment by post you get a phone call off someone else sat on there arse to tell you what you allready know.come on get real its jobs like that should go because thats two people getting paid for one job. macauley
  • Score: -1

7:18pm Fri 10 Aug 12

macauley says...

macauley wrote:
can someone explaine why some weeks after you get your appointment by post you get a phone call off someone else sat on there arse to tell you what you allready know.come on get real its jobs like that should go because thats two people getting paid for one job.
its a bit like buy one get one free at asda but at alarge cost to the NHS.
[quote][p][bold]macauley[/bold] wrote: can someone explaine why some weeks after you get your appointment by post you get a phone call off someone else sat on there arse to tell you what you allready know.come on get real its jobs like that should go because thats two people getting paid for one job.[/p][/quote]its a bit like buy one get one free at asda but at alarge cost to the NHS. macauley
  • Score: 0

7:26pm Fri 10 Aug 12

MESmith says...

Hello exiled. I guess you believe in the wholesale dismantling of the welfare state and the big society. You probably have a private health care policy.. You probably give to charity. Oh dear..........
Hello exiled. I guess you believe in the wholesale dismantling of the welfare state and the big society. You probably have a private health care policy.. You probably give to charity. Oh dear.......... MESmith
  • Score: 1

7:34pm Fri 10 Aug 12

owencoyle99 says...

guess our Mr Cliff Morris jumped ship before he was pushed wish he would do that as leader of the Council
guess our Mr Cliff Morris jumped ship before he was pushed wish he would do that as leader of the Council owencoyle99
  • Score: 6

7:35pm Fri 10 Aug 12

underwater says...

OK lets all get together and blame the Tories because cuts have to be made. What about the Labour party who wasted so much money with stupid ideas that we could have everything handed to us on a plate,with not a thought to how much debt the country was in. Be honest we are vastly over populated, with too many public sector workers on inflation proof pensions . The money has to come from somewhere. Wake up and give it some thought, its not grown on tree's.
OK lets all get together and blame the Tories because cuts have to be made. What about the Labour party who wasted so much money with stupid ideas that we could have everything handed to us on a plate,with not a thought to how much debt the country was in. Be honest we are vastly over populated, with too many public sector workers on inflation proof pensions . The money has to come from somewhere. Wake up and give it some thought, its not grown on tree's. underwater
  • Score: -2

7:39pm Fri 10 Aug 12

Wezzy5 says...

temujin wrote:
RBH is a failing hospital.

Consider outsourcing to a company with a proven record of turning round such hospitals, as Circle did with Hinchingbrooke.
You are factually incorrect regarding Circle and Hitchingbrooke I'm afraid. They are already in trouble after recording pre-tax losses of £33 million. There is still some uncertainty around Hitchingbrookes future.
I have noticed that all your comments regarding the Bolton Hospital mention outsourcing to a private company. As a member of staff at the hospital I find your comments wholly offensive. We have just appointed a chairman with experience of turning "failing" hospitals around. He has a proven track record that doesn't include people losing their jobs to private companies.
[quote][p][bold]temujin[/bold] wrote: RBH is a failing hospital. Consider outsourcing to a company with a proven record of turning round such hospitals, as Circle did with Hinchingbrooke.[/p][/quote]You are factually incorrect regarding Circle and Hitchingbrooke I'm afraid. They are already in trouble after recording pre-tax losses of £33 million. There is still some uncertainty around Hitchingbrookes future. I have noticed that all your comments regarding the Bolton Hospital mention outsourcing to a private company. As a member of staff at the hospital I find your comments wholly offensive. We have just appointed a chairman with experience of turning "failing" hospitals around. He has a proven track record that doesn't include people losing their jobs to private companies. Wezzy5
  • Score: 0

9:11pm Fri 10 Aug 12

Rememberscarborough says...

macauley wrote:
can someone explaine why some weeks after you get your appointment by post you get a phone call off someone else sat on there arse to tell you what you allready know.come on get real its jobs like that should go because thats two people getting paid for one job.
Because so many people do not bother to turn up for their appointment because they "forgot". Far better to spend a small amount of money reminding people to turn up than to have very expensive doctors sat twiddling their thumbs.
[quote][p][bold]macauley[/bold] wrote: can someone explaine why some weeks after you get your appointment by post you get a phone call off someone else sat on there arse to tell you what you allready know.come on get real its jobs like that should go because thats two people getting paid for one job.[/p][/quote]Because so many people do not bother to turn up for their appointment because they "forgot". Far better to spend a small amount of money reminding people to turn up than to have very expensive doctors sat twiddling their thumbs. Rememberscarborough
  • Score: 4

9:31pm Fri 10 Aug 12

Delyth says...

To all the staff of Bolton Hospital who are stressed because they do not know if they will have a job tomorrow, next week or next year, welcome to the real world, a world an awful lot of people have been living in for quite a few years now. Being unemployed will quite an eye opener for you, but you will still be better off than a lot of people because you will have the benefit of a substantial pension.
To all the staff of Bolton Hospital who are stressed because they do not know if they will have a job tomorrow, next week or next year, welcome to the real world, a world an awful lot of people have been living in for quite a few years now. Being unemployed will quite an eye opener for you, but you will still be better off than a lot of people because you will have the benefit of a substantial pension. Delyth
  • Score: -8

10:14pm Fri 10 Aug 12

macauley says...

Rememberscarborough wrote:
macauley wrote: can someone explaine why some weeks after you get your appointment by post you get a phone call off someone else sat on there arse to tell you what you allready know.come on get real its jobs like that should go because thats two people getting paid for one job.
Because so many people do not bother to turn up for their appointment because they "forgot". Far better to spend a small amount of money reminding people to turn up than to have very expensive doctors sat twiddling their thumbs.
thats total crap.sorry to say.more like the system they have wrong i had one put back weeks and got a poor excuse the doctor had left.wonder why he left that sinking ship,just like cliff morris eh.?
[quote][p][bold]Rememberscarborough[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macauley[/bold] wrote: can someone explaine why some weeks after you get your appointment by post you get a phone call off someone else sat on there arse to tell you what you allready know.come on get real its jobs like that should go because thats two people getting paid for one job.[/p][/quote]Because so many people do not bother to turn up for their appointment because they "forgot". Far better to spend a small amount of money reminding people to turn up than to have very expensive doctors sat twiddling their thumbs.[/p][/quote]thats total crap.sorry to say.more like the system they have wrong i had one put back weeks and got a poor excuse the doctor had left.wonder why he left that sinking ship,just like cliff morris eh.? macauley
  • Score: -6

9:45am Sat 11 Aug 12

oftbewildered says...

macauley wrote:
can someone explaine why some weeks after you get your appointment by post you get a phone call off someone else sat on there arse to tell you what you allready know.come on get real its jobs like that should go because thats two people getting paid for one job.
because a hell of a lot of people forget their appointments and people who do not turn up cost money - hency the nannying of people to remind them to turn up. Sad but true
[quote][p][bold]macauley[/bold] wrote: can someone explaine why some weeks after you get your appointment by post you get a phone call off someone else sat on there arse to tell you what you allready know.come on get real its jobs like that should go because thats two people getting paid for one job.[/p][/quote]because a hell of a lot of people forget their appointments and people who do not turn up cost money - hency the nannying of people to remind them to turn up. Sad but true oftbewildered
  • Score: 6

10:01am Sat 11 Aug 12

The Jazz says...

owencoyle99 wrote:
guess our Mr Cliff Morris jumped ship before he was pushed wish he would do that as leader of the Council
I believe he was actually 'pushed'
[quote][p][bold]owencoyle99[/bold] wrote: guess our Mr Cliff Morris jumped ship before he was pushed wish he would do that as leader of the Council[/p][/quote]I believe he was actually 'pushed' The Jazz
  • Score: 1

10:08am Sat 11 Aug 12

The Jazz says...

Unfortunately everyone has an opinion on how to run the NHS, however the opinoion is formed with very little knowledge of what actually happens within the organisation and how it works. People who work in private industry usually only answer to their boss and ultimately, in a looser sense, the customer. That is the same for he NHS, but with the added dimension of government interference and public opinion. If you are making widgets and it goes wrong, you put it in the bin and move on, if someone in the NHS harms a patient, they could find themselves in jail. Not quite the same eh?
Unfortunately everyone has an opinion on how to run the NHS, however the opinoion is formed with very little knowledge of what actually happens within the organisation and how it works. People who work in private industry usually only answer to their boss and ultimately, in a looser sense, the customer. That is the same for he NHS, but with the added dimension of government interference and public opinion. If you are making widgets and it goes wrong, you put it in the bin and move on, if someone in the NHS harms a patient, they could find themselves in jail. Not quite the same eh? The Jazz
  • Score: 5

7:23pm Sat 11 Aug 12

tracy1000 says...

macauley wrote:
can someone explaine why some weeks after you get your appointment by post you get a phone call off someone else sat on there arse to tell you what you allready know.come on get real its jobs like that should go because thats two people getting paid for one job.
its a reminder service to try to cut down on the number of non-attendances there are thousands of appointments wasted because people cant be bothered ringing to cancel the appointment if they no longer need it. you can opt out of this if it annoys you so much
[quote][p][bold]macauley[/bold] wrote: can someone explaine why some weeks after you get your appointment by post you get a phone call off someone else sat on there arse to tell you what you allready know.come on get real its jobs like that should go because thats two people getting paid for one job.[/p][/quote]its a reminder service to try to cut down on the number of non-attendances there are thousands of appointments wasted because people cant be bothered ringing to cancel the appointment if they no longer need it. you can opt out of this if it annoys you so much tracy1000
  • Score: 4

10:38pm Sat 11 Aug 12

macauley says...

it only annoys me tracy when i didnt get a follow up letter or phone call,when irang to me told i was down as not attending and i know my gp was not told sothe safety nen system dont work.that place is dump.
it only annoys me tracy when i didnt get a follow up letter or phone call,when irang to me told i was down as not attending and i know my gp was not told sothe safety nen system dont work.that place is dump. macauley
  • Score: -4

8:53pm Sun 12 Aug 12

mustafa-moan says...

The Jazz wrote:
owencoyle99 wrote:
guess our Mr Cliff Morris jumped ship before he was pushed wish he would do that as leader of the Council
I believe he was actually 'pushed'
CLIFFORD WAS SACKED!!! BREAKING!! Pity the BN can't or won't print the truth, well here is is folks, what Bolton Council & BN didn't want to tell you!!
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The chairman of a flagship NHS
hospital has been sacked after a £5m
financial black hole was discovered, it
has emerged.
The chairman of the Bolton NHS
Foundation Trust, Cllr Cliff Morris, has
been replaced after hospital
managers admitted that they had
found a £5m financial black hole.
The trust had thought it would end
the financial year in surplus but has
now discovered it will be £1.9m in
deficit after anticipated savings were
not made.
This is a swing of £5m and comes on
top of £15m the trust was already
hoping to save.
Managers have instigated a
recruitment freeze and have asked for
voluntary resignations.
They do not expect front line staff to
be affected.
The foundation trust regulator,
Monitor, stepped in to appoint a new
chairman, David Wakefield, to turn the
trust around.
The unusual move was taken after a
review ordered by Monitor discovered
the extent of the financial problems.
The trust has had problems meeting
the four-hour waiting time standard
in A&E and had recently seen an
increase in Clostridium difficile cases.
Merav Dover, Compliance Director at
Monitor said: “Monitor’s Board is
intervening to strengthen the
leadership of the trust so that an
effective recovery plan can be put in
place to ensure that all problems are
fixed as quickly as possible for the
benefit of patients.
"David Wakefield has the required
experience to stabilise the Trust’s
financial position whilst maintaining
quality.
“The Trust is required to report to us
on a regular basis so that we can hold
them to account on the delivery of
their turnaround plan”.
Lesley Doherty, Chief Executive at
Bolton NHS Foundation Trust, said:
“Our main goal is, and will continue to
be, providing quality care to patients.
"Moving forward, the NHS has to
rethink the way services are provided
in order to meet increasing financial
challenges. Many organisations are
facing these challenges and we are no
exception, but we are determined to
work our way through this.”
.
http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/health/health
news/9449139/NHS-hos
pital-chairman-repla
ced-after-debt-disco
vered.html
[quote][p][bold]The Jazz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]owencoyle99[/bold] wrote: guess our Mr Cliff Morris jumped ship before he was pushed wish he would do that as leader of the Council[/p][/quote]I believe he was actually 'pushed'[/p][/quote]CLIFFORD WAS SACKED!!! BREAKING!! Pity the BN can't or won't print the truth, well here is is folks, what Bolton Council & BN didn't want to tell you!! . The chairman of a flagship NHS hospital has been sacked after a £5m financial black hole was discovered, it has emerged. The chairman of the Bolton NHS Foundation Trust, Cllr Cliff Morris, has been replaced after hospital managers admitted that they had found a £5m financial black hole. The trust had thought it would end the financial year in surplus but has now discovered it will be £1.9m in deficit after anticipated savings were not made. This is a swing of £5m and comes on top of £15m the trust was already hoping to save. Managers have instigated a recruitment freeze and have asked for voluntary resignations. They do not expect front line staff to be affected. The foundation trust regulator, Monitor, stepped in to appoint a new chairman, David Wakefield, to turn the trust around. The unusual move was taken after a review ordered by Monitor discovered the extent of the financial problems. The trust has had problems meeting the four-hour waiting time standard in A&E and had recently seen an increase in Clostridium difficile cases. Merav Dover, Compliance Director at Monitor said: “Monitor’s Board is intervening to strengthen the leadership of the trust so that an effective recovery plan can be put in place to ensure that all problems are fixed as quickly as possible for the benefit of patients. "David Wakefield has the required experience to stabilise the Trust’s financial position whilst maintaining quality. “The Trust is required to report to us on a regular basis so that we can hold them to account on the delivery of their turnaround plan”. Lesley Doherty, Chief Executive at Bolton NHS Foundation Trust, said: “Our main goal is, and will continue to be, providing quality care to patients. "Moving forward, the NHS has to rethink the way services are provided in order to meet increasing financial challenges. Many organisations are facing these challenges and we are no exception, but we are determined to work our way through this.” . http://www.telegraph .co.uk/health/health news/9449139/NHS-hos pital-chairman-repla ced-after-debt-disco vered.html mustafa-moan
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12:33pm Mon 13 Aug 12

twowok says...

Apeface68 wrote:
MsMooseGirl wrote: Shall we just erase Bolton altogether? I mean, poor hospitals, poor schools, poor travel amenities, endless business leaving for pastures new, shops boarded up, lack of housing and finally yet importantly let’s not forget the traffic wardens... driving people away!
How about the negative attitude of Bolton people too? They dont really inspire people to think positive when all they have to get for in a morning is a whinge on the BN website.
Apeface68 I take it you include yourself in that remark!
[quote][p][bold]Apeface68[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MsMooseGirl[/bold] wrote: Shall we just erase Bolton altogether? I mean, poor hospitals, poor schools, poor travel amenities, endless business leaving for pastures new, shops boarded up, lack of housing and finally yet importantly let’s not forget the traffic wardens... driving people away![/p][/quote]How about the negative attitude of Bolton people too? They dont really inspire people to think positive when all they have to get for in a morning is a whinge on the BN website.[/p][/quote]Apeface68 I take it you include yourself in that remark! twowok
  • Score: 4

12:44pm Mon 13 Aug 12

twowok says...

Delyth wrote:
To all the staff of Bolton Hospital who are stressed because they do not know if they will have a job tomorrow, next week or next year, welcome to the real world, a world an awful lot of people have been living in for quite a few years now. Being unemployed will quite an eye opener for you, but you will still be better off than a lot of people because you will have the benefit of a substantial pension.
Are you really so stupid? do you think that people who work in the NHS have never experienced unemployment and uncertainty before. It is a pity you gloat about what effectively will be the demise of the NHS which belongs to us all, and we all will need it at sometime in our lives. The Tories say the NHS is safe in there hands, don't be fooled. They are bringing in privatisation by stealth and then where will we be. We need to stand together now along with the workers of OUR NHS and stop it being ruined beyond repair.
[quote][p][bold]Delyth[/bold] wrote: To all the staff of Bolton Hospital who are stressed because they do not know if they will have a job tomorrow, next week or next year, welcome to the real world, a world an awful lot of people have been living in for quite a few years now. Being unemployed will quite an eye opener for you, but you will still be better off than a lot of people because you will have the benefit of a substantial pension.[/p][/quote]Are you really so stupid? do you think that people who work in the NHS have never experienced unemployment and uncertainty before. It is a pity you gloat about what effectively will be the demise of the NHS which belongs to us all, and we all will need it at sometime in our lives. The Tories say the NHS is safe in there hands, don't be fooled. They are bringing in privatisation by stealth and then where will we be. We need to stand together now along with the workers of OUR NHS and stop it being ruined beyond repair. twowok
  • Score: 12

1:19pm Tue 14 Aug 12

DaveLister says...

So interesting to see all the talk about public and private sectors. Having been in a very senior position in both I can tell up the private sector is much much worse than the public.

In the private sector I had an expense account of £1,500 per week for taking out potential customers and providing high class hotels and meals etc. I received a real telling off if I did not use it each week. I was told if you havent used it take the family out treat them to a slap up meal. I paid nothing into a pension which makes public sector pensions look small and I never worked a Friday afternoon, it was policy to be on the golf course.

I the public sector I worked very long hours, many weekends and had no of the perks such as the 7 series BMW and expense account, and I paid well over the odds for the pension. The salary was much lower than for same level or responsibilty in private sector. I was also on a fixed term 2 year rolling contract, so I could be got rid of at any time with no cost.

So yes welcome to real world for public sector workers at the hospital, no job security, fired at a moments notice, but let temper this with a little reality the private sector get their rewards in diffent ways.
So interesting to see all the talk about public and private sectors. Having been in a very senior position in both I can tell up the private sector is much much worse than the public. In the private sector I had an expense account of £1,500 per week for taking out potential customers and providing high class hotels and meals etc. I received a real telling off if I did not use it each week. I was told if you havent used it take the family out treat them to a slap up meal. I paid nothing into a pension which makes public sector pensions look small and I never worked a Friday afternoon, it was policy to be on the golf course. I the public sector I worked very long hours, many weekends and had no of the perks such as the 7 series BMW and expense account, and I paid well over the odds for the pension. The salary was much lower than for same level or responsibilty in private sector. I was also on a fixed term 2 year rolling contract, so I could be got rid of at any time with no cost. So yes welcome to real world for public sector workers at the hospital, no job security, fired at a moments notice, but let temper this with a little reality the private sector get their rewards in diffent ways. DaveLister
  • Score: 2

3:56pm Wed 15 Aug 12

Notwhatitusedtobe.. says...

I know a Hospital porter who has been on the sick for a few years, he goes back 1 day then 2 days and so on, then after a few months of a few days here and there he goes back on the sick saying his is being bullied (again)... meanwhile on FULL pay.. thats where part of your deficit has gone... "some" people just take the mickey out of the NHS.. just have a look in A&E at night/weekend..same dole dossers in there wanting a bed for the night!

Hospitals need a real undercover investigation to find out where all this money is being wasted, and then take action on these time & money wasters.

Rant over.com
I know a Hospital porter who has been on the sick for a few years, he goes back 1 day then 2 days and so on, then after a few months of a few days here and there he goes back on the sick saying his is being bullied (again)... meanwhile on FULL pay.. thats where part of your deficit has gone... "some" people just take the mickey out of the NHS.. just have a look in A&E at night/weekend..same dole dossers in there wanting a bed for the night! Hospitals need a real undercover investigation to find out where all this money is being wasted, and then take action on these time & money wasters. Rant over.com Notwhatitusedtobe..
  • Score: -1

4:48pm Wed 15 Aug 12

macauley says...

owencoyle99 wrote:
guess our Mr Cliff Morris jumped ship before he was pushed wish he would do that as leader of the Council
i wish the real owen coyle would jump ship.ha ha.
[quote][p][bold]owencoyle99[/bold] wrote: guess our Mr Cliff Morris jumped ship before he was pushed wish he would do that as leader of the Council[/p][/quote]i wish the real owen coyle would jump ship.ha ha. macauley
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