Lancashire Police Federation boss in ‘fight to keep our bobbies’ (From This Is Lancashire)

How can you possibly have a police force with no beat bobbies? Its not possible is it?
The condems in their finest hour? Or are the bigwigs laying off the foot soldiers to save their own sorry arses?

The best way to cut crime is to take all our police off the streets. That way there will be nobody to report crime to, and the stats will prove that fewer police = less crime.

It is a total disgrace what is happening to the Police service nit just in Lancashire but country wide. Theresa may is nothing short of delusional and the contempt that she is treating the Police service with will undoubtably have serious detrimental ramifications for the
public of Lancashire, both tax payers and unwashed masses.

happycyclist wrote:
The best way to cut crime is to take all our police off the streets. That way there will be nobody to report crime to, and the stats will prove that fewer police = less crime.

I agree Happy, while were at it let's abolish the theft act, that way shop lifters and burglars won't be a drain on the ever thinning Police resources!

if he is fighting arrest him....
you know things are bad when the police chief is a scrapper

To cut the number of police is gross stupidity, I did not go to univerisity and get a good education like the people who make these stupid decisions, in fact i went to shadsworth high school but even with my limited education it's plain to see that with mass unemployment, crime levels will rise with less police to deal with it. This leads to more and more of a breakdown of society.. Just a thought.

Cha'mone MF wrote:
It is a total disgrace what is happening to the Police service nit just in Lancashire but country wide. Theresa may is nothing short of delusional and the contempt that she is treating the Police service with will undoubtably have serious detrimental ramifications for the
public of Lancashire, both tax payers and unwashed masses.

Four days to the biggest global disaster ever known to modern man and theyr'e still cutting back Police services.

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I didn't realise we had bobbies on the beat. Anyone know where they are?

What a load of old clap trap, it's all scare tactics, what the police want is for the rest of us to take a hit, work til we are 70 while they retire at 50, can nobody remember the vast complaints over the years about bobbies on the beat, the answers always been, we can't spare them, there's to much paperwork to do, they have to ride around in panda cars because they can cover more ground, they never seem short of men when it comes to staking out the roads looking for speeding motorists do they, the police are, quite rightly being asked to contribute a little bit more toward their gold plated retirement and they don't like it, they want you to work til you drop to fund their early retirement, is that fair? So they don't like taking the medicine like the rest of us have to so they're taking their bat n ball home, pathetic scaremongering, dont believe it

Mill62 wrote:
I didn't realise we had bobbies on the beat. Anyone know where they are?

Exactley, well said

they try to create a PROBLEM
wait for the public's REACTION
then offer a radical SOLUTION

just wait and see

Instead of whinging Lancashire federation be thankful your in employment. If the Police Service in Lancashire was functioning as paid vast sums of money for there would be no need for cuts. Get off your backside and start doing the job cutting crime instead of attending conferences and wasting tax payers money.

maggie-T wrote:
What a load of old clap trap, it's all scare tactics, what the police want is for the rest of us to take a hit, work til we are 70 while they retire at 50, can nobody remember the vast complaints over the years about bobbies on the beat, the answers always been, we can't spare them, there's to much paperwork to do, they have to ride around in panda cars because they can cover more ground, they never seem short of men when it comes to staking out the roads looking for speeding motorists do they, the police are, quite rightly being asked to contribute a little bit more toward their gold plated retirement and they don't like it, they want you to work til you drop to fund their early retirement, is that fair? So they don't like taking the medicine like the rest of us have to so they're taking their bat n ball home, pathetic scaremongering, dont believe it

Another one of the unwashed masses who doesn't pay taxes and is happy to sit there slagging the police off using their limited opinion based on pure ignorance.

Gospel wrote:
Instead of whinging Lancashire federation be thankful your in employment. If the Police Service in Lancashire was functioning as paid vast sums of money for there would be no need for cuts. Get off your backside and start doing the job cutting crime instead of attending conferences and wasting tax payers money.

Your pure ignorance is plain to see. Firstly you make no sense at all, secondly not one penny of tax payers money is wasted on these conferences, they are funded by subscriptions paid out of the pockets of individual Police officers who are members of the federation.
So take this simple advice, if you don't really know what you're talking about it's probably not a good Idea to come out with utter Sh1t like this.

Dave_P wrote:
they try to create a PROBLEM
wait for the public's REACTION
then offer a radical SOLUTION

just wait and see

You need to lay off the crack pipe for a while.

Just a thought but what about cutting back on Police vehicles to save money rather than actual Bobbies, that way the good old relationship between Bobbies and the general public might return to what it used to be as the word on the street does carry a meaning..... just a thought !!!

Mill62 wrote:
I didn't realise we had bobbies on the beat. Anyone know where they are?

HaHa.
So true not seen a bobby on the beat for a while. Just look at how American police go out on the beat.


R.I.P. Kelly Thomas.



Infowrs.com for the full story of Kellys experience of Police on the beat. Horrific not for minors.

wulver wrote:
Just a thought but what about cutting back on Police vehicles to save money rather than actual Bobbies, that way the good old relationship between Bobbies and the general public might return to what it used to be as the word on the street does carry a meaning..... just a thought !!!

They are doing this already, they are trimming the fleet of vehicles, not to put more cops out on foot but to save money. The notion of officers walking their areas interacting with people is great and is the corner stone of Policing in this country, that's how it should be however it's just not practicable in this
current climate. I think we as the general public grossly over estimate the amount of cops there are actually out there and with so few numbers it simply isn't possible to put them out on foot when so few have to respond to incidents in huge areas.

captain ian wrote:
To cut the number of police is gross stupidity, I did not go to univerisity and get a good education like the people who make these stupid decisions, in fact i went to shadsworth high school but even with my limited education it's plain to see that with mass unemployment, crime levels will rise with less police to deal with it. This leads to more and more of a breakdown of society.. Just a thought.

No Degree?
No qualifications?
Still, what does that matter, when you have common sense like yours?

If you had realised that, by cutting the number of police vehicles, this would make the already limited manpower less mobile and responsive to any call, you would have got my thoughts entirely.

Like you, I left school with no qualifications but have, over the years, gained an education in life. It may have taken me a lot of years to get my Degree but that pales into insignificance when your judge that against my ability to know when something is as wrong as this decision.
We shall, in the fullness of time, rue this day. Though sadly, by the time realisation sets in, the people that made this choice will have retired on rather handsome pensions that are index linked and will be on these columns, moaning about how they never see a Police Officer in their village....

Cha'mone,you obviously have knowledge of the Police and its workings,and I do admire your defence of them. But,are you able to explain a steady reduction of bobbies on the beat over the last few years ? I havn't heard the Police Federation shouting for help until now.
I have always supported and defended the Police,but at times it becomes more difficult to defend the indevenceable. Why is it that for many years the Police have failed to attend a reported crime,the victim being given a crime reference number over the phone.
Why do many people feel they have been abandoned the streets being taken over by youths who cause nothing but distress to many law abiding citizens ?
I could go on and on about the lack of service provided. The Police Federation are askink for public help in their fight. But what will the public receive in return ?

halfhearted wrote:
Cha'mone,you obviously have knowledge of the Police and its workings,and I do admire your defence of them. But,are you able to explain a steady reduction of bobbies on the beat over the last few years ? I havn't heard the Police Federation shouting for help until now.
I have always supported and defended the Police,but at times it becomes more difficult to defend the indevenceable. Why is it that for many years the Police have failed to attend a reported crime,the victim being given a crime reference number over the phone.
Why do many people feel they have been abandoned the streets being taken over by youths who cause nothing but distress to many law abiding citizens ?
I could go on and on about the lack of service provided. The Police Federation are askink for public help in their fight. But what will the public receive in return ?

I have several friends and relatives who are and have been serving officers on the front line as opposed to backroom staff / management level so I find it extremely frustrating listening to people so keen to slate them at the drop of a hat, the majority of whom do so because of a bad experience of tip bits of inaccurate information that they are fed through the press on which they form their opinions.
Let me make this absolutely clear, by no means are they perfect, they do get it wrong from time to time and I understand that some of the very people they are there to serve
Becoming frustrated.

The insight I have into the service and what is currently going on is frightening. The federation have been shouting quietly for help directly to the government for years and have not made their concerns public because they dont want to be frightening the public, however that simply had to change once the government slashed the budget by 20%. The consequences of this will without exaggeration be catastrophic and it is only fair that the very people who will be directly affected are told in no uncertain terms what this government are trying to do, which is destroy one of tge finest law enforcement establishments which is admired and envied throughout the world. The contempt and ignorance the government are showing by refusing to listen to the concerns raised by the federation staggers belief. They expect the Police to be able to deliver a quality service that the public deserve despite billions countrywide in reductions and thousands fewer officers to do it with. This simply will not happen and they will undoubtably reap what they are sowing.
Law and order has to be one of if not the most important fundamental corner stone of a civilised democratic society I don't think anybody would argue with that. So if it is so important then why is it being attacked so disproportionately?
A lot of people simply think this is about the Police moaning about their pensions, pay and conditions. Yes they are unhappy about this just like all the others who are being expected to tighten their belts but the real issue is the genuine concern that exsits by the Police service at what is going to happen to our communities as a result of the cuts. This concern will be echoed by every Police officer who is out there protecting the public doing the job that he or she signed up to do.

I read comments about the Police on here and they're almost laughable, mostly made by people who have probably had a ticket and want to blame everybody but themselves.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you think the Police service of this country are bad then please feel free to check out how the Police in North Korea and Syria serve their communities.

Cha'mone,I think you missed by point. The service provided has been going down for years,yes the Federation have been speaking to Government,why not the people they serve until now.
As I said I have always supported the Police,but you cannot do so for ever.
The numbers on the street have been reducing steadily over the years,the amount of traffic officers have also been reduced,so much so that they do not turn out to a non injury accident. This has left the door wide open for the Cash for Crash brigade. As I said I could go on and on,in fact I could point out problems within all departments.
My main point is the Federation have known about these failings for years,they should have communicated with those they serve much sooner,and perhaps they would have avoided many negative comments made about its members.

Why don't you lot see a bobby?, answer they are all in cars responding to domestics, thefts, assaults, public disorder, traffic accidents, sudden death, and then there is the dole waller crime category, "someone has been rude to me on facebook", my next door neighbour has cut my trees down, the bloke up the road gave me a funny look. The ones that queue up to get on the J Kyle show. Even in cars the police struggle to meet the calls now, and with the cuts its going to get worse, not better. There are a lot of back office functions, lets list them, prisoner handling (someone has to interview the prisoners), domestic violence and child protection units, fraud, terrorism..........t
he list goes one (even investigating phone hacking, and MP's fiddling their expenses). The public need to realise that the site of the bobby on the beat is not achievable anymore, and PCSO's with no powers are used for this function, but the public even moan about them. If you want more officers your council tax precept would need to increase by 200%, if this is what you want tell your MP's, or the New Police and Crime Commissioners, I am sure you will have the power, if you can spare the money. Things are going to get bad, and you are a fool if you believe otherwise. Less police, less vehicles equals even longer waiting times. This idiotic government has given away 10 times the police budget to overseas development, and have just released 500 million so you get a weekly bin collection. They have their priorities wrong. Finally google 1918/1919 police strikes, as this will happen again, you can count on it. Who will back fill the police, the army, the fire service............c
ivil servants. Answer no one will. A perfect storm is developing

halfhearted wrote:
Cha'mone,I think you missed by point. The service provided has been going down for years,yes the Federation have been speaking to Government,why not the people they serve until now.
As I said I have always supported the Police,but you cannot do so for ever.
The numbers on the street have been reducing steadily over the years,the amount of traffic officers have also been reduced,so much so that they do not turn out to a non injury accident. This has left the door wide open for the Cash for Crash brigade. As I said I could go on and on,in fact I could point out problems within all departments.
My main point is the Federation have known about these failings for years,they should have communicated with those they serve much sooner,and perhaps they would have avoided many negative comments made about its members.

They have known about the failings for years and have lobbied for staffing improvements etc. But the current situation is now so much worse than ever before hence the appeal to the public. The public are the ones who will suffer most. You have no idea of current staffing levels, if you did you would either emigrate or not sleep at nights. You asked the question "I could go on and on about the lack of service provided. The Police Federation are askink for public help in their fight. But what will the public receive in return ?"
The answer is a service that can try and carry on as they are and provide as best a service as possible with the ever dwindling resources available. You complain about the lack of police attending certain incidents. That is because the current workload and staffing doesn't allow them to deal with every call as they used to.

I keep hearing the phrase "your lucky to have a job". That is a clear ploy to justify treating employees how you want to in a struggling economy, and you should be thankful for it too. If your employed, you should have the terms and conditions that you signed up for. This govt just changes the rules to suit it!!!!

I have moved abroad. But I still have feelings for my former community. I know and have known that services provided have dwindled over the past years.
If the Federation,had grown a pair years back they would not find themselves in the position it now finds itself. As for striking,what would that acheive ?
Chief Constables have been all to pleased to do their Masters will for far too long. The Federation have known for years what has been going on,and have allowed it by not going public.
They have allowed those at the sharp end run around in circles,whilst front line officers have gone to make up the numbers in Specialist Departments. The wheel had to come off one day,and that day is upon us.

halfhearted wrote:
I have moved abroad. But I still have feelings for my former community. I know and have known that services provided have dwindled over the past years.
If the Federation,had grown a pair years back they would not find themselves in the position it now finds itself. As for striking,what would that acheive ?
Chief Constables have been all to pleased to do their Masters will for far too long. The Federation have known for years what has been going on,and have allowed it by not going public.
They have allowed those at the sharp end run around in circles,whilst front line officers have gone to make up the numbers in Specialist Departments. The wheel had to come off one day,and that day is upon us.

Where do you live now and how do you find the Police service where er you are in comparison?

Let's not forget that the Police Federation is just that, it's not a union and therefore carries very little in the way of muscle when it comes to circumstances such as this. They robustly voice the concerns of rank and file officers and are doing there best to inform the public what the consequences are going to be as a result of this completely unprecedented attack on the very fabric of British Policing but
beyond that are able to do very
little else unfortunately.

Cha'mone,it dosn't matter where I live now,nor is it right to compare the Police Force with the British Police,which was considered to be the best in the world at one point.
I'm well versed in the role of the Federation,and I still ask why wait now to inform the public of the impact of the cuts and Winsor Report.
Have they informed the public in the past of the vast reduction of Officers on the beat.
Past and present Governments plus Chief Officers have reduced the numbers of officers.Tasks previously carried out by officers are now done by civillians ie Communications,Enqui
ry Desk,Custody Officers. The streets are Policed mainly by PCSOs. The Federation have known that these changes have impacted the way the Service operates,and the reduction in the Service given.
People want contact with the Police when they have been offended against,they don't want a Crime Reference number over the phone.
The public don't want unruly drunks roaming the streets,they want them removed,locked up till sober and punished by the Courts. Instead many are given a fixed penalty notice and allowed to carry on their way.
The Police in the UK have been allowed to do so with consent. That consent is being slowly withdrawn,can you not see this by the number of negative comments being posted.
The Federation should have voiced its opinion years ago,not just now when all the cuts have been announced.

halfhearted wrote:
Cha'mone,it dosn't matter where I live now,nor is it right to compare the Police Force with the British Police,which was considered to be the best in the world at one point.
I'm well versed in the role of the Federation,and I still ask why wait now to inform the public of the impact of the cuts and Winsor Report.
Have they informed the public in the past of the vast reduction of Officers on the beat.
Past and present Governments plus Chief Officers have reduced the numbers of officers.Tasks previously carried out by officers are now done by civillians ie Communications,Enqui

ry Desk,Custody Officers. The streets are Policed mainly by PCSOs. The Federation have known that these changes have impacted the way the Service operates,and the reduction in the Service given.
People want contact with the Police when they have been offended against,they don't want a Crime Reference number over the phone.
The public don't want unruly drunks roaming the streets,they want them removed,locked up till sober and punished by the Courts. Instead many are given a fixed penalty notice and allowed to carry on their way.
The Police in the UK have been allowed to do so with consent. That consent is being slowly withdrawn,can you not see this by the number of negative comments being posted.
The Federation should have voiced its opinion years ago,not just now when all the cuts have been announced.

I'll just start with correcting one of your points. Any person who is dealt with for an offence whilst drunk is dealt with at the Police station once they are sober and able to understand what's happening. They maybe be disposed of by way of a fixed penalty notice for drunk and disorderly or public order offences but they would be arrested and detained until sober before hand. That is a fact. And to be fair in most circumstances this is the appropriate out come, the fine is more than likely what they would have received at court anyway and if you consider how many get arrested up and down the country for this week in week out it stops the court system getting clogged up.

You have missed my point in relation to your question. The Fed have not said anything on this scale until now because they did not want to cause unnecessary fear and worry to the general public, they have also held on to the hope that the government would listen to reason and the opinion of those who are experts in law enforcement, Police officers. However it has become apparent that the government and in particular Theresa May just refuse to listen let alone accept what they are being told. It is therefore imperative that the public know exactly what is likely to happen now these cuts look imminent. Maybe now they have been told they can voice their concerns and put pressure on the government after all they have the power to vote them in or out at the next election.

If the government won't listen to some 130,000 professional Police officers maybe they will listen potentially 40 million voters.

On the contrary It is wholly appropriate to draw a comparison between the Police where you are to the Police in
the UK. That way we can show exactly just how better off we are in this country with a professional Police service who cares for our communities unlike so many other places in the world.

Why won't you tell me where you live?

we don't have officers only constables, the differince is of course light years so chamoniearse is not really clued up on what a copper should be at all, and should he/she be a spook/copper then as he has shown, the constbulary are acting outside their oath full stop....

Cha'mone,may I thank you for confirming my suspicions,re your answer on the Fixed Penalty Notice issue,outsiders would not have known of the full imlications and reasoning.
I then move on to your other point which I thought I had answered,The issue here is the Policing of the UK and no other Country.
The British Police Force/Service,was considered the best in the world,for its courtesy and efficiency in dealing with members of the public. Can it now make that claim. If the Federation were to carry out a survey,asking the right questions,they will find that the majority of people consider that they are receiving a less than first quality service from the Police.
I did not miss your point at all on the Federation,I know what a massive affect these cuts will have on the public. This Government fronted by the so called Home Secretary,are hell bent in ruining what is left of a once great Police Force.
My point is,why have they waited until now before they appeal to members of the public for their support.? The could have done this many times previously when manning levels were cut.
I will not quote figures on here,but you will know what I'm on about. For example would the people of Blackburn,have been sleeping easily in their beds at night had they known the number of Officers covering the town ? This is not a recent issue. Do they know at what time Traffic are withdrawn from the town,and where does the cover come from ?
These are two issues that the Federation could have brought to the attention of the public,so why wait till now?.
I'm not a Police knocker like many,I'm a person who still cares about the community I used to live in,but that dosn't mean I won't voice my opinions when I know that a service has been steadily decreased over the years,and covered up by massaged figures.
As for where I live now. Well it dosn't really matter,unless your thinking of sending me a large cash donation.

Cha'mone,may I thank you for confirming my suspicions,re your answer on the Fixed Penalty Notice issue,outsiders would not have known of the full imlications and reasoning.
I then move on to your other point which I thought I had answered,The issue here is the Policing of the UK and no other Country.
The British Police Force/Service,was considered the best in the world,for its courtesy and efficiency in dealing with members of the public. Can it now make that claim. If the Federation were to carry out a survey,asking the right questions,they will find that the majority of people consider that they are receiving a less than first quality service from the Police.
I did not miss your point at all on the Federation,I know what a massive affect these cuts will have on the public. This Government fronted by the so called Home Secretary,are hell bent in ruining what is left of a once great Police Force.
My point is,why have they waited until now before they appeal to members of the public for their support.? The could have done this many times previously when manning levels were cut.
I will not quote figures on here,but you will know what I'm on about. For example would the people of Blackburn,have been sleeping easily in their beds at night had they known the number of Officers covering the town ? This is not a recent issue. Do they know at what time Traffic are withdrawn from the town,and where does the cover come from ?
These are two issues that the Federation could have brought to the attention of the public,so why wait till now?.
I'm not a Police knocker like many,I'm a person who still cares about the community I used to live in,but that dosn't mean I won't voice my opinions when I know that a service has been steadily decreased over the years,and covered up by massaged figures.
As for where I live now. Well it dosn't really matter,unless your thinking of sending me a large cash donation.

Cha'mone,may I thank you for confirming my suspicions,re your answer on the Fixed Penalty Notice issue,outsiders would not have known of the full imlications and reasoning.
I then move on to your other point which I thought I had answered,The issue here is the Policing of the UK and no other Country.
The British Police Force/Service,was considered the best in the world,for its courtesy and efficiency in dealing with members of the public. Can it now make that claim. If the Federation were to carry out a survey,asking the right questions,they will find that the majority of people consider that they are receiving a less than first quality service from the Police.
I did not miss your point at all on the Federation,I know what a massive affect these cuts will have on the public. This Government fronted by the so called Home Secretary,are hell bent in ruining what is left of a once great Police Force.
My point is,why have they waited until now before they appeal to members of the public for their support.? The could have done this many times previously when manning levels were cut.
I will not quote figures on here,but you will know what I'm on about. For example would the people of Blackburn,have been sleeping easily in their beds at night had they known the number of Officers covering the town ? This is not a recent issue. Do they know at what time Traffic are withdrawn from the town,and where does the cover come from ?
These are two issues that the Federation could have brought to the attention of the public,so why wait till now?.
I'm not a Police knocker like many,I'm a person who still cares about the community I used to live in,but that dosn't mean I won't voice my opinions when I know that a service has been steadily decreased over the years,and covered up by massaged figures.
As for where I live now. Well it dosn't really matter,unless your thinking of sending me a large cash donation.

Cha'mone MF, your connection with the police is just not limited to freinds and relatives serving with the force. I sence a little more involvement!!!