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Bishop of Blackburn urges people to 'reject politics of hate'


THE Bishop of Blackburn has urged East Lancashire people to vote and defeat ‘the politics of hate’ in the forthcoming General Election.

WIth experts predicting an election on May 6, the Rt Rev Nicholas Reade has rejected suggestions the church should stay out of politics.

Instead, in an address tomorrow to members of the Blackburn Diocesan Synod, he will set out the issues he believes Christians need to consider before deciding who to vote for.

Urging voters to reject extremist parties, Bishop Reade will say: “God's Kingdom is not just the Church, but it embraces the world as well. That means God is also concerned with what you and I do on May 6, or whatever date the Prime Minister chooses.

“In difficult economic times there are always those who are tempted to look for solutions among extreme political parties, and we need to underline that the politics of hatred can never come up with a solution to our problems.

“Hate won't repay one penny of the money the banks lost in 2008. Hate isn't going to build one single affordable home.”

And in an obvious reference to the 2007 closure of Burnley General Hospital’s emergency department, he will add: “Hate isn't going to reopen a closed accident and emergency unit.”

The Bishop will also urge Christian voters to show 'bias' to the poor when voting on economics and bias to strangers on law and order issues.

He will add: “I hope the people of our diocese and county will not wander towards apathy in the coming weeks, but rather renew their political commitment for God's sake, not ours.

“Otherwise we are in danger of becoming unjust stewards of the democracy for which many have died, and failing citizens of the kingdom Jesus died to establish.”

Members of the Blackburn Diocesan Synod will meet tomorrow in Preston.

Comments(71)

AnthonyUK says...
7:23am Fri 19 Mar 10

Well it's not up to him who people vote;I'am voting BNP whether he likes it or not and I don't care if it is politics of hate and I feel NO shame in doing so because:
(a)this country has been turned upside down by immigrants asylumseekers and refugees, because when they come here our govt under humanrights legislation and obligation gives it all to them on a plate
and (b) we can't refuse because we are bound by that legislation and obligations,
and(c) also they bring their ways of life and try to impose that on UK citizens, also they ghettoise parts of the county by refusing to speak English and refusing to integrate into UK society as well. If we went to live in their countries they wouldn't fit their way of life around us to suit our needs so why should WE do it for them?

AnthonyUK says...
7:43am Fri 19 Mar 10

And religeon SHOULD keep it's nose out of politics and stick to what it's good at;not interfere with people's views at the ballot box. The mainstream parties haven't got a clue how to manage immigration and are fairly useless at it opening the floodgates to all and sundry from Europe,Africa,The Middle East,Asia and beyond and not punishing and deporting these people who have come in illegally or who do come in illegally because"it affects their humanrights",and humanrights solicitors rub their hands with glee when attempts to deport illegals reaches their greedy grabby hands. The HumanRightsAct is responsible for the mess this country has landed itself in;it's time we pulled out of Europe and and abolished any responsibility of it FOREVER.

Excluded says...
7:57am Fri 19 Mar 10

Outrageous. The Bishop has expressed his views on a moral issue.

The right wing political correctness club are up in arms. He should not be allowed to say this. How dare he express an opinion which criticises our moral choices. He should be silenced.

The Bishop has every right to express his views. The Bishop has every right to say what he thinks. Maybe if the BNP gain power, he will be silenced, but we still have freedom of speech in this country.

CAG1 says...
8:02am Fri 19 Mar 10

The church wants to sort its own problems out and some of the disgusting things its vicars/priests get up to before meddling in other areas such as politics.

happycyclist says...
10:08am Fri 19 Mar 10

We're all God's children and He doesn't love BNP voters less than any other voters.

Erm, that's right, isn't it, Bishop?

time.team says...
11:21am Fri 19 Mar 10

All politicians are repulsive in their singular beliefs. Party comes first, no matter what you or I need. Why would anyone vote for any of them?
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Bishop of Blackburn urges people to 'reject politics of hate'. How can you not do?

Mike Costa says...
11:39am Fri 19 Mar 10

Mike Costa says:

It doesn't take much to rattle the cages of the small minded 'little Englanders' does it?
So AnthonyUK will be voting for the BNP will he? Well good luck to him. They obviously deserve each other. Just a small point though. If he is that keen on maintaining Britain for the British, and keeping our language and culture in tact, then he would be better served if he could grasp some basic spelling. 'Religeon' and 'ghettoise'? Are these French words? The BNP will always have a ready audience amongst the ill educated and illiterate.

phoebesgrandad says...
12:15pm Fri 19 Mar 10

Excluded wrote:
Outrageous. The Bishop has expressed his views on a moral issue.

The right wing political correctness club are up in arms. He should not be allowed to say this. How dare he express an opinion which criticises our moral choices. He should be silenced.

The Bishop has every right to express his views. The Bishop has every right to say what he thinks. Maybe if the BNP gain power, he will be silenced, but we still have freedom of speech in this country.
Are you sure we have freedom of speach in this country Exclude? I don't like to think what would happen if people did say what they think,the PC police would be all over you like a bad rash.It is between me and the ballot box who I vote for but I will tell you that there is a ground swell of public leaning towards the Right and the good Bishop has helped their cause no end,after all who can trust the clergy 100%?

DavidBurnley says...
12:21pm Fri 19 Mar 10

Mike - if you are going to attack others based on their use of grammar or spelling, it might be an idea to get your own in order first. I think you may find that where you used ' in tact' you meant 'intact'?

My own opinion is that bishops should stick to 'bishoping' and let politicians stick to 'politicianing' More importantly they should leave voters to voting - for whom ever they want, of their own free choice and without any pressure based on so called morals or 'lessons from history'.

phoebesgrandad says...
12:24pm Fri 19 Mar 10

DavidBurnley wrote:
Mike - if you are going to attack others based on their use of grammar or spelling, it might be an idea to get your own in order first. I think you may find that where you used ' in tact' you meant 'intact'?

My own opinion is that bishops should stick to 'bishoping' and let politicians stick to 'politicianing' More importantly they should leave voters to voting - for whom ever they want, of their own free choice and without any pressure based on so called morals or 'lessons from history'.
Spot on David.

Private I says...
12:44pm Fri 19 Mar 10

Dear Lancashire Telegraph

Please exercise some responsibility and stop giving a platform for BNP twerps to disgorge their bile and hate message.
I notice you don't allows posts to some stories you run for obvious reasons and I suggest the sensible comments from the Bishop should have been reported in the same way.

Jack-son says...
12:46pm Fri 19 Mar 10

Please read the introduction to this article which reads as follows.
"in an address tomorrow to members of the Blackburn Diocesan Synod, he will set out the issues he believes Christians need to consider before deciding who to vote for. "
He is not asking all you bigots not to vote for who you want but is asking Christians (None writing above) to consider issues before they vote.

An open meeting was held in Burnley last Monday evening to look at the issues Christians should consider before voting but didn't see any of you who have written above there.

Stop making this out to be something it is not. The BNP are not mentioned in the article.

John Bold says...
12:47pm Fri 19 Mar 10

DavidBurnley wrote:
Mike - if you are going to attack others based on their use of grammar or spelling, it might be an idea to get your own in order first. I think you may find that where you used ' in tact' you meant 'intact'? My own opinion is that bishops should stick to 'bishoping' and let politicians stick to 'politicianing' More importantly they should leave voters to voting - for whom ever they want, of their own free choice and without any pressure based on so called morals or 'lessons from history'.
Actually, Mike's mistake was neither a spelling or grammer mistake. it was a typing error. far less important. but you nit picking, simple minded plebs wouldn't understand that.

Mike Costa says...
12:49pm Fri 19 Mar 10

Mike Costa says:

DavidBurnley,

Good point! There is, however, a difference between accidentally leaving a space in a word and inventing completely new words or spelling rligion incorrectly, isn't there?

Mike Costa says...
12:53pm Fri 19 Mar 10

or should that ne reelegon? or maybe even religone?

Jack-son says...
12:59pm Fri 19 Mar 10

Does his spelling really matter!!

Jack-son says...
1:04pm Fri 19 Mar 10

Many of the above comments are a case of starting to type before putting 'the brain in gear'

Imran786 says...
1:23pm Fri 19 Mar 10

akon wrote:
CAG1, Blackburn with Darwen EXACTLY . How many cover-ups have there been due to the filthy perverted clergy with countless young boys,yet the offenders are just been moved to another area to commit more vile acts !! Excluded, Darwen Like i said the bishop can/will vote for who HE wants ,that is called DEMOCRACY . Yes he can say what he feels. But why pick on one party ref his childish outbursts ,what about the old peoples homes closures,what about the 2 illegal wars,what about home-grown terrorism ,what about the expenses scandal,what about the sh*t state this country is in ? Is that the fault of the BNP ? Get a life !!
Just picked this comment because it is the truth. I am a muslim i feel the BNP policys are spot on this country is falling apart due to political correctness and i understand what the BNP policys are but they put them across WRONG. The church - mosques should stay out off poiltics last i heard we were a free country but looks like we not!!!!!!!!
VOTE BNP - VOTE SONY - VOTE HOTPOINT - VOTE ME but go out and vote for what you feel is right not what your religion dictates. 2 wars were fought for fredom and this is what it comes to. Thousands died for us to have freedom and what do we have, nothing put us all in shakles, hang us but this wont stop the working class off blackburn from exercisining our freedom VOTE VOTE VOTE ?????????? Get rid of this stupid goverment who send billions abroud it our money spend it on us. you are elected by us for us.

Mike Costa says...
1:30pm Fri 19 Mar 10

Mike Costa says:

Jack-son. Yes spelling does matter, as it gives an indication of the intelligence and education level of the writer. I refer back to what I said before. The BNP relies predominantly on the uneducated sectors of socity for their support

Gaius Grossus says...
1:33pm Fri 19 Mar 10

Speaking as one of the Bishops flock I refute totally this idea that the church it not be involved in politics. Of course it should. We are to seek the best for all people and in this country that means being involved in politics.
And yes any sex abuse scandals are terrible, but just because we call ourselves Christian does not change one jot our human falibilities, for everyone falls short.

Gaius Grossus says...
1:36pm Fri 19 Mar 10

Whoops, it should have read 'I refute totally this idea that the church should not be involved in politics.

Joseph Yossarian says...
1:50pm Fri 19 Mar 10

The exremist political parties are full of hate.

As are all mainstream religions.

Maybe the bishop should concentrate on resolving the issues of his own institution (the CofE) before haranguing others.

Lancs - pensioner says...
1:50pm Fri 19 Mar 10

There is obviously a lot of hatred in some of these e-mails, those who agree with the Bishops statements automatically think those who disagree are members of the BNP, well I disagree with his statements and I am not a member of the BNP, I am just fed up with main stream politicians lying to us most of the time and fiddling there expenses etc etc . The main worry is there are more and more people like myself are looking at different options when trying to pick a politician who cares and is not just in it for him/her self and yes for some this choice is the BNP. The reasons for disagreeing with the bishop are no one should dictate or even suggest who I vote for or why, it’s my business and no one else’s.

Gaius Grossus says...
2:00pm Fri 19 Mar 10

AnthonyUK wrote:
Gaius Grossus wrote: Speaking as one of the Bishops flock I refute totally this idea that the church it not be involved in politics. Of course it should. We are to seek the best for all people and in this country that means being involved in politics. And yes any sex abuse scandals are terrible, but just because we call ourselves Christian does not change one jot our human falibilities, for everyone falls short.
The church should keep out of politics and stick to religeon-it shouldn't be involved in what doesn't concern it(and politics is one of them).
No we should not. Faith is about life and poitics is part of life. Therefore the people of faith, both Christians and others, should be involved.

kaotic kaos says...
2:05pm Fri 19 Mar 10

I could not care less what the bishop said, if he wants to express his view's on the matter good for him, I will still be voting for bnp regardless of what other people think.

AnthonyUK says...
2:13pm Fri 19 Mar 10

I am gonna vote BNP no matter what the church says and won't even think again NOR listen to the church before I do either!

akon says...
2:18pm Fri 19 Mar 10

Mike Costa, Blackburn
Well who do you vote for then,oh educated one ?

AnthonyUK says...
2:26pm Fri 19 Mar 10

I voted BNP in at the North West Euro elections and I feel NO shame and I'll vote them here too!

Ken Shuffles says...
2:51pm Fri 19 Mar 10

BISHOPS ARE PEOPLE WHO VENERATE THE BONES OF THE DEAD. WORSHIP AND ADORE CATHOLIC SOUVINEER CRUCIFIXES, IMAGES AND STRANGE italian PHOTOGRAPHS.

Ken Shuffles says...
2:55pm Fri 19 Mar 10

If there is only One God, and no other higher than that, then that means even God is an Atheist!

wackyracer says...
3:02pm Fri 19 Mar 10

first of all, Ganja man. My granddad fought in the 2nd world war and although he had no love of the Nazis, he sure as hell didn’t do it so that the country could be over-flowing with imigrents 55 years later, clippling the wefare state that was provided as a thank you. As for Akon, not all socialists are traitors. I would never have sold the rail system, British Gas, Water, electric, british steel and our nuclear power stations to the rest of the world, that was done by capitalist Nu labour/tory swine

Finally, if I do vote BNP it would be because nobody else seems to give a rats arse about this country. It may be a misguided ideology (BNP) but a least it’s not bull sh*t like the rest of ‘em

ste.g says...
3:29pm Fri 19 Mar 10

to which party of hate are you refering to bishop?
seems to me everyone is jumping to conclusions and assuming its the bnp.
the press certainly know what they are doing dont they.

Ken Shuffles says...
3:41pm Fri 19 Mar 10

I WANT MEDIA! media is good, religion is bad.
MORE HOPE - LESS POPE! Religion is just too barbaric and deceitful.

Ken Shuffles says...
3:44pm Fri 19 Mar 10

And why do they wear those funny gowns and get-ups. ? Are they trying to stand out and appear taller than the rest of us ?

John Bold says...
3:57pm Fri 19 Mar 10

Oh come on - how can you justify voting BNP you morons? Surely you realise that they propagate hatred and unrest? The do not work for the good of Britain and the British. They are media-hungry, ego-maniacal and thoughtless.

This country is made up of immigrants from far-away lands, and the biggest drain on the welfare state is not immigrants, who come here to improve their standard of life, but white trash content to sit on the behinds and milk their benefits for years on end.

If you go down to your local Weatherspoons at 9am on Monday who will you see? Immigrants drinking their giro away? Nope. You'll see uneducated, hopeless, white trash wasting their time, and the resources of this "great" country.

Sometimes the problem is a little closer to home, and instead of looking to blame others, look at yourself.

I have no love or support for the church in anyway, but this bloke is probably way more infromed than any BNP voter.

If your political ideology revolves around voting for somebody that has no political ideology other than hatred, your fighting a losing battle.

AnthonyUK says...
3:59pm Fri 19 Mar 10

John Bold wrote:
Oh come on - how can you justify voting BNP you morons? Surely you realise that they propagate hatred and unrest? The do not work for the good of Britain and the British. They are media-hungry, ego-maniacal and thoughtless. This country is made up of immigrants from far-away lands, and the biggest drain on the welfare state is not immigrants, who come here to improve their standard of life, but white trash content to sit on the behinds and milk their benefits for years on end. If you go down to your local Weatherspoons at 9am on Monday who will you see? Immigrants drinking their giro away? Nope. You'll see uneducated, hopeless, white trash wasting their time, and the resources of this "great" country. Sometimes the problem is a little closer to home, and instead of looking to blame others, look at yourself. I have no love or support for the church in anyway, but this bloke is probably way more infromed than any BNP voter. If your political ideology revolves around voting for somebody that has no political ideology other than hatred, your fighting a losing battle.
How dare you? I vote BNP and work you tool!

John Bold says...
4:12pm Fri 19 Mar 10

I didn't say that BNP workers don't work. I said that the big drains on society are not immigrants as the BNP would like you to believe.

And i believe that it is in fact you sir, who is the tool.

stemark says...
5:36pm Fri 19 Mar 10

Anthony uk .Totaly agree spot on mate!!!

Michael@ClitheroeSince58 says...
6:35pm Fri 19 Mar 10

Hate won't repay one penny of the money the banks lost in 2008. Hate isn't going to build one single affordable home. How very true, thank the Lord who ever he may be, for people like the Bishop of Blackburn and all other religious leaders who try to stop this Cancer.

Ken Shuffles says...
8:36pm Fri 19 Mar 10

ffs michael@clitheroesin
ce58,

It was the Bishops who invented popular sounding rhetoric. If Politicians learnt anything from them that is exactly what it is. A free ride on populist rhetoric and some free column inches in the Lt. I am an Atheist - how many free column inches do you think that gets me.?

Ken Shuffles says...
8:48pm Fri 19 Mar 10

Like all Bishops he represents a Lie. Even if he said nothing, he still works in the deception industry. The only reason his religion is there is because it has too much money tangled up in hedge funds to collapse without trace. When Jesus said - Let the dead bury the dead he wasn't talking about bankers. He was talking about silly men in silly hats with bone necklaces round their necks. mad.

Tosh67 says...
8:51pm Fri 19 Mar 10

Mike Costa wrote:
Mike Costa says: Jack-son. Yes spelling does matter, as it gives an indication of the intelligence and education level of the writer. I refer back to what I said before. The BNP relies predominantly on the uneducated sectors of socity for their support
Mike Costa,
are you a genius then? you condescending tosser? your arrogance has judged AnthonyUK's intelligence based on what he believes in rightly or wrongly, and just because you dont agree with his views this makes you not only narrow minded but sends out a clear indication of the lack of your own intelligence and educational levels.

Pr1ck

Michael@ClitheroeSince58 says...
11:52pm Fri 19 Mar 10

Personally I do not believe that Jesus was the son of god, I believe he was a messenger of God, this is irrelevant as more importantly we have to learn and respect different views in our society, maybe I am wrong about my feelings about Jesus but this is how living in a democracy has let me learn and decide, how would the BNP have helped my development I dread to think. I post this in dread but I am decided so be it.

bankhall says...
1:47pm Sat 20 Mar 10

This frpm a man?who works for a company that not only tolerates the abuse of boys but seems to actuall yencourage it with not one condemnation of all of the abuse that exists in religious establishmeants .What a waste of space person

bankhall says...
1:47pm Sat 20 Mar 10

This frpm a man?who works for a company that not only tolerates the abuse of boys but seems to actuall yencourage it with not one condemnation of all of the abuse that exists in religious establishmeants .What a waste of space person

Hammurabi says...
4:53pm Sat 20 Mar 10

John Bold wrote:
Oh come on - how can you justify voting BNP you morons? Surely you realise that they propagate hatred and unrest? The do not work for the good of Britain and the British. They are media-hungry, ego-maniacal and thoughtless. This country is made up of immigrants from far-away lands, and the biggest drain on the welfare state is not immigrants, who come here to improve their standard of life, but white trash content to sit on the behinds and milk their benefits for years on end. If you go down to your local Weatherspoons at 9am on Monday who will you see? Immigrants drinking their giro away? Nope. You'll see uneducated, hopeless, white trash wasting their time, and the resources of this "great" country. Sometimes the problem is a little closer to home, and instead of looking to blame others, look at yourself. I have no love or support for the church in anyway, but this bloke is probably way more infromed than any BNP voter. If your political ideology revolves around voting for somebody that has no political ideology other than hatred, your fighting a losing battle.
John Bold, you make a reasonable point but seem to overlook something. It is the policies of successive Labour/tory governments that has created an underclass of welfare-dependant anti-social "white-trash", and it is those same welfare policies coupled with a lax attitude to law and order that makes this country such an ideal target for immigrants. Your argument just replaces one reason for voting BNP with another.

KBB says...
8:05pm Sat 20 Mar 10

As a BNP member,Bishop Reade's attitude was one of the main reasons I stopped attending Blackburn Catherdral. Bishop,we are a party of love,not hate-we don't hate anyone-we love our country and wish to preserve it's culture,heritage and traditions. Please do not confuse patriotism with racism-they are nowhere near being the same condition.

Sal says...
8:52pm Sat 20 Mar 10

God is the uncaused cause, he is the creator of yours and mine very exsistence! But then again, hearts that are hardened by disbelief will never realise God's exsistence, despite being surrounded by the Almighty's infinite mercy.

DBrad says...
11:31pm Sat 20 Mar 10

Reverand Reade stated.

“Otherwise we are in danger of becoming unjust stewards of the democracy for which many have died, and failing citizens of the kingdom Jesus died to establish.”

So by making this statement I assume that the politics of hatred that he mentions are the politics of the likes of Jack straw who has stated that "The English are a race not worth saving". The same English who fought and died to preserve our right to be stewards of our democracy, fought and died to keep our soveriegnty intact to be handed down to future generations. I used to attend the cathedral on a regular basis and as a white, english male who is patriotic had no other alternative but to stop. When I was attending I was (and still am) a member of the BNP. It never stopped me attending the cathedral but the dhimmification that crept in and the political influence that was changing my christian place of worship into a multifaith center was what did. I am and will still stay true to my faith and I will always stay Patriotic and proud to be English and British. I will never leave the BNP because they support and stand for everything I do but the cathedral only barely support my christian values and villify me for the rest of them.

brfcrules says...
8:17am Sun 21 Mar 10

yes you may be angry at current politics but vote for a bunch of loonies who's ideology is based on hatred and supremacy! What would we expect if the BNP, EDL, NF, Combat 18 and so on come into power. No foreign trade, no exotic food, no holidays abroad, any thing that is not indigenous english shall be expelled or exterminated. This includes jesus as he is arab, st. george as he is turkish, the royal family and so on. If your angry at current politics, start a group none of the above and I will even vote for you!

Ken Shuffles says...
12:19pm Sun 21 Mar 10

Religion and Politics have been in bed with each other for a very long time. Religion is basicaly a bit of a cheating skank when it comes to getting into bed with politics and power.

Should the Bnp get into Power the Bishops will just as easily, as they have for 2000 years, be seduced by the same wealth and power rhetoric that they have corrupted the reputation of The Soul with since the day Jesus left the planet.

Anyone who thinks changing governments will remove corruption and usher in a new age of Truth and Honesty to replace lies and deception should seriously consider having their head examined.

The bnp, like ALL Political movements are too prone to seduction by wealth and Power. To suggest Religious Leadership is above such seduction is to live in cloud-cuckoo land. People are angry, they have been mis-led up and down and back up the garden path again for too long.

If a Political Party suggested things would be just great - once we are all dead - then I seriously doubt there would be any such creature as a Politician.

Jesus danced with the Infinite! He danced with The Infinite Kindness every single day He was Alive! He understood that this was his chance. He realised that Life was HIS opportunity, to dance with the infinite. It isn't promised to be Forever, but WOW! He danced and he danced and he danced and he danced!

Jesus could dance with his Soul. The Bishops, Priests, Imans and Rabbi's haven't even bothered to find out what a Soul is yet they are so cought up in their own words.

Ken Shuffles says...
12:31pm Sun 21 Mar 10

John Bold, Weatherspoons doesn't open until 10 AM - SO IT JUST GOES TO SHOW HOW MISINFORMED and UNEDUCATED you are by jumping on the bandwagon of LAZY WHITE TRASH RHETORIC!

Those who use the dialogue of Blame will be Blamed.

Ken Shuffles says...
12:34pm Sun 21 Mar 10

BLACKBURN ATHEIST REJECTS.... The Religions of Hate, Deception, Corruption and Lies........

AnthonyUK says...
7:51am Mon 22 Mar 10

John Bold wrote:
I didn't say that BNP workers don't work. I said that the big drains on society are not immigrants as the BNP would like you to believe. And i believe that it is in fact you sir, who is the tool.
Immigrants/asylumsee
kers and refugees DO create drains on the countries' resources and i'll tell you why:

(a)They refuse to speak English,

(b)They refuse to follow and abide by UK laws,

(c)they turn parts of the country into ghettos which purely support their own kind,

(d)they bring their own ways of life over here and expect everybody else to change their ways of life to fit around them ie serve halal in schools/restaurants/
fast food outlets etc:think KFC and Macdonalds etc, when it is them who should be fitting themselves around us when they come here, in Birmingham the nurseries teach white british kids to speak Urdu and sing nursery rhymes in Urdu-WHY should that be allowed? If I had kids who were being taught to speak Urdu or other minority languages and learn their ways, I would pull them out and not allow them to continue their nursery education,

(e)they scream racism at things which may be considered minor/trivial in order to get them banned or restricted i.e in Oxfordshire nurseries refuse to sing baabaa black sheep they sing baabaa rainbow sheep because of the risk of offending others thru the word 'black', and some councils have changed their christmas celebrations by calling it 'Winterval' to fit around other ethnic minorities,

(f)They claim their humanrights "have been abused" if they have been refused asylum into the UK and all other means have been exhausted, and as a result OUR solicitors stick up for them instead of the Immigration Service being allowed to do their job and deport them without being unhindered by these so called humanrights "dogooders",

(g)They get everything given to them on a plate housing/benefits etc while our own old people who have paid taxes all their lives get meagre pensions and benefits provision because it's all being given to these people who get first refusal over our own,

(h)They moan and scream when any attempt is made to deport them or jail them for wrongdoing in the UK.

Those reasons alone are I voted for the BNP in the North West Euro Elections and why I'am voting them again at the general election as well(and you can ALL call me whatever you like for doing so because I don't care one bit what the Church is saying nor do I so there!!!).

Roverino says...
2:15pm Mon 22 Mar 10

What I would like to ask BNP's potential voters is, should the BNP ever come to power, what will their policies on immigration be? Completely shut the doors? Drive immigration underground even further?

If we 'shut the gates', do you think that will be the end of illegal immigration?

Also, I'd like to hear their policies on... well pretty much anything, because if I'm honest, I couldnt tell you one of them, due to the fact that the BNP seem to prey on those who are concerned with ONE issue.

Now im not saying the system isnt flawed, and that the current political heavyweights shouldnt shoulder some of the blame for the state this country is in, but rather than play the blame game I'd rather look for the right people to get us out of it, and whilst the BNP are quick to blame, they come up with no solutions.

Unless somebody can enlighten me otherwise?

John Bold says...
3:38pm Mon 22 Mar 10

AnthonyUK wrote:
John Bold wrote: I didn't say that BNP workers don't work. I said that the big drains on society are not immigrants as the BNP would like you to believe. And i believe that it is in fact you sir, who is the tool.
Immigrants/asylumsee kers and refugees DO create drains on the countries' resources and i'll tell you why: (a)They refuse to speak English, (b)They refuse to follow and abide by UK laws, (c)they turn parts of the country into ghettos which purely support their own kind, (d)they bring their own ways of life over here and expect everybody else to change their ways of life to fit around them ie serve halal in schools/restaurants/ fast food outlets etc:think KFC and Macdonalds etc, when it is them who should be fitting themselves around us when they come here, in Birmingham the nurseries teach white british kids to speak Urdu and sing nursery rhymes in Urdu-WHY should that be allowed? If I had kids who were being taught to speak Urdu or other minority languages and learn their ways, I would pull them out and not allow them to continue their nursery education, (e)they scream racism at things which may be considered minor/trivial in order to get them banned or restricted i.e in Oxfordshire nurseries refuse to sing baabaa black sheep they sing baabaa rainbow sheep because of the risk of offending others thru the word 'black', and some councils have changed their christmas celebrations by calling it 'Winterval' to fit around other ethnic minorities, (f)They claim their humanrights "have been abused" if they have been refused asylum into the UK and all other means have been exhausted, and as a result OUR solicitors stick up for them instead of the Immigration Service being allowed to do their job and deport them without being unhindered by these so called humanrights "dogooders", (g)They get everything given to them on a plate housing/benefits etc while our own old people who have paid taxes all their lives get meagre pensions and benefits provision because it's all being given to these people who get first refusal over our own, (h)They moan and scream when any attempt is made to deport them or jail them for wrongdoing in the UK. Those reasons alone are I voted for the BNP in the North West Euro Elections and why I'am voting them again at the general election as well(and you can ALL call me whatever you like for doing so because I don't care one bit what the Church is saying nor do I so there!!!).
You really are dim aren't you.

Let me quote what you said:

Immigrants/asylumsee

kers and refugees DO create drains on the countries' resources and i'll tell you why:

"(a)They refuse to speak English,"

A real drain on resources.

"(c)they turn parts of the country into ghettos which purely support their own kind,"

Again, by supporting their own kind, they are really draining the resources of this country.

There is nothing clever about racism. It is narrow minded, ignorant and based on fear. You mention that they get everything on a plate. Well i happen to know a WHITE, ENGLISH man, who is 25, single, and has 2 children. It is far more profitable for him to stay at home and claim benefits than to work and pay a child minder. He is well educated, and a good worker, but it doesn't make sense for him to work at the moment. Does this make him as bad as these ethnic minorities?

"(h)They moan and scream when any attempt is made to deport them or jail them for wrongdoing in the UK."

Oh didums. The scary minority people are moaning and screaming? What a disgrace. What a drain on our wonderful countries resources.

"in Birmingham the nurseries teach white british kids to speak Urdu and sing nursery rhymes in Urdu-WHY should that be allowed?"

Why shouldn't it? I learnt German and French at school, yet i meet very few German or French people in East Lancashire. I'm pretty sure that there are a few more Urdu speakers than French or German speakers. Its a foreign language. Big deal.

AnthonyUK says...
9:41am Tue 23 Mar 10

John Bold wrote:
I am neither "kissing their backsides" or doing what they want. I am merely highlighting that they are not the problem that the BNP would like you to believe they are. They create far fewer problems the indigenous population do. The indigenous people of this nation are made up of immigrants and although this has been watered down through the years, it makes little difference. Why vote for a political company that has no policies?
And who are you to tell me who to vote for and "love your immigrants"? I don't like them full stop and you won't change that. AND I will still vote BNP!

John Bold says...
1:15pm Tue 23 Mar 10

AnthonyUK wrote:
John Bold wrote: I am neither "kissing their backsides" or doing what they want. I am merely highlighting that they are not the problem that the BNP would like you to believe they are. They create far fewer problems the indigenous population do. The indigenous people of this nation are made up of immigrants and although this has been watered down through the years, it makes little difference. Why vote for a political company that has no policies?
And who are you to tell me who to vote for and "love your immigrants"? I don't like them full stop and you won't change that. AND I will still vote BNP!
You really need to learn to read. At what point did a tell you who to vote for? I'm not trying to change your mind. I can tell that it would be nearly impossible to. I am mearly trying to show you that you are not voting for a sensible, patriotic party, but for a group of uneducated thugs. I'm not sure, but you may feel at home with them?

AnthonyUK says...
1:30pm Tue 23 Mar 10

John Bold wrote:
AnthonyUK wrote:
John Bold wrote: I am neither "kissing their backsides" or doing what they want. I am merely highlighting that they are not the problem that the BNP would like you to believe they are. They create far fewer problems the indigenous population do. The indigenous people of this nation are made up of immigrants and although this has been watered down through the years, it makes little difference. Why vote for a political company that has no policies?
And who are you to tell me who to vote for and "love your immigrants"? I don't like them full stop and you won't change that. AND I will still vote BNP!
You really need to learn to read. At what point did a tell you who to vote for? I'm not trying to change your mind. I can tell that it would be nearly impossible to. I am mearly trying to show you that you are not voting for a sensible, patriotic party, but for a group of uneducated thugs. I'm not sure, but you may feel at home with them?
At least they'll get it sorted unlike the mainstream misfits in Govt!!!

John Bold says...
4:59pm Tue 23 Mar 10

Ken - i am not asking for a sensible, patriotic party. In fact i am far from patriotic in any way. I care very little for this horrible country, and deem it of little importance where you are born. It is a fact that i was born in this country. That i should be proud of it is a moot point - because i'm not.

As for Anthony's claims that the BNP will "get it sorted unlike the mainstream misfits" - well that is completely laughable. Come on. THEY HAVE NO POLITICAL POLICIES. They are the modern equivelant of the 1930s/1940s Nazi Party. They are racists with no aim other than to purge the country of any one other than the white.

You people are just scared of what is different, and unable to see the fact that there is little to be proud of in this country.

If you really believe that the BNP will "get it sorted" then you have another thing coming.

Veritas10 says...
11:05pm Tue 23 Mar 10

If bishops and priests pray more, rather than prey on small children, we might feel inclined to listen to their views on politics. Is the Church going to reject it's hatred for homosexuals, divorced and remarried catholics, those who have no other choice but for a termination etc etc? When it rejects its outdated and hate filled doctrines I might well listen to it.

John Bold says...
10:27am Wed 24 Mar 10

Veritas10 - in fairness, at least he isn't a catholic!

AnthonyUK says...
10:40am Wed 24 Mar 10

John Bold wrote:
Ken - i am not asking for a sensible, patriotic party. In fact i am far from patriotic in any way. I care very little for this horrible country, and deem it of little importance where you are born. It is a fact that i was born in this country. That i should be proud of it is a moot point - because i'm not. As for Anthony's claims that the BNP will "get it sorted unlike the mainstream misfits" - well that is completely laughable. Come on. THEY HAVE NO POLITICAL POLICIES. They are the modern equivelant of the 1930s/1940s Nazi Party. They are racists with no aim other than to purge the country of any one other than the white. You people are just scared of what is different, and unable to see the fact that there is little to be proud of in this country. If you really believe that the BNP will "get it sorted" then you have another thing coming.
You come on dogooder! I'll vote BNP ALWAYS never listening to you! At least the BNP will get rid of illegals and rid the UK of terrorists ignoring HRA legislation to deport them!

Ken Shuffles says...
11:45am Wed 24 Mar 10

You have a lot to be Proud of J.B. Nationalism is simply a sense of Pride that has been misplaced. How foolish it is that anyone would trust a Griffin who defines themselves as a Politician.

Religious Faith is the same. It is a misplacement of our Faith. Religion has no connection with Faith. It uses the word often but only for it's own mis-leading, cash-re-generation purposes Veritas.

Ken Shuffles says...
11:55am Wed 24 Mar 10

Greed will consume and abuse anyone. Greed doesn't care who is abused. Greed wants to keep, not share, whatever it can get it's grubby, self deceiving Religious hands on.

Ken Shuffles says...
12:05pm Wed 24 Mar 10

Catholicism is the religion of Death and it's PAPA should be rejected and expelled. No other Institution on Earth has caused Greater suffering. To allow the Pope to set foot on British soil is to sanction and show tolerance to rape and carnage behind close doors in England, Scotland and Wales.

John Bold says...
1:28pm Wed 24 Mar 10

AnthonyUK wrote:
John Bold wrote: Ken - i am not asking for a sensible, patriotic party. In fact i am far from patriotic in any way. I care very little for this horrible country, and deem it of little importance where you are born. It is a fact that i was born in this country. That i should be proud of it is a moot point - because i'm not. As for Anthony's claims that the BNP will "get it sorted unlike the mainstream misfits" - well that is completely laughable. Come on. THEY HAVE NO POLITICAL POLICIES. They are the modern equivelant of the 1930s/1940s Nazi Party. They are racists with no aim other than to purge the country of any one other than the white. You people are just scared of what is different, and unable to see the fact that there is little to be proud of in this country. If you really believe that the BNP will "get it sorted" then you have another thing coming.
You come on dogooder! I'll vote BNP ALWAYS never listening to you! At least the BNP will get rid of illegals and rid the UK of terrorists ignoring HRA legislation to deport them!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
!

Yes, they really will get round HRA legislation. Very likely. They will incite civil war if they try.

And as for getting rid of terrorists? Fool. They will increase the threat of terrorism ten fold. If they came to power, this nation would soon become known as an anti-islamic nation, and be a swift target for any terrorists. You really are niave, and quite dim.

Veritas10 says...
1:52pm Wed 24 Mar 10

The question to ask is "would you trust this bishop, or any bishop or priest with your child"? If the answer is NO, then why should you trust their opinion on which party you should or should not vote for? These people no longer have any moral authority, and their voices count for nothing. Best to ignore!

Ken Shuffles says...
2:38pm Wed 24 Mar 10

Atheists have a better track record with Children when it comes to protecting them than some frocked - up - Bishop. Well said Veritas!

Ken Shuffles says...
2:43pm Wed 24 Mar 10

It must be time to vote for an Atheist nation. Anyone can understand the simple logic that God must be an Atheist if there is only One God.

Lancs - pensioner says...
6:08pm Wed 24 Mar 10

John Bold wrote:
AnthonyUK wrote:
John Bold wrote: Ken - i am not asking for a sensible, patriotic party. In fact i am far from patriotic in any way. I care very little for this horrible country, and deem it of little importance where you are born. It is a fact that i was born in this country. That i should be proud of it is a moot point - because i'm not. As for Anthony's claims that the BNP will "get it sorted unlike the mainstream misfits" - well that is completely laughable. Come on. THEY HAVE NO POLITICAL POLICIES. They are the modern equivelant of the 1930s/1940s Nazi Party. They are racists with no aim other than to purge the country of any one other than the white. You people are just scared of what is different, and unable to see the fact that there is little to be proud of in this country. If you really believe that the BNP will "get it sorted" then you have another thing coming.
You come on dogooder! I'll vote BNP ALWAYS never listening to you! At least the BNP will get rid of illegals and rid the UK of terrorists ignoring HRA legislation to deport them!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! ! Yes, they really will get round HRA legislation. Very likely. They will incite civil war if they try. And as for getting rid of terrorists? Fool. They will increase the threat of terrorism ten fold. If they came to power, this nation would soon become known as an anti-islamic nation, and be a swift target for any terrorists. You really are niave, and quite dim.
Having read both your "debates" my conclusion would be the BNP gets a few MPs in the next election, not enough to hold power though, and then and only then will the main partys start to worry and listen to both sides of your coins!! reading both your columns you seem to be both as far apart as each other on how this country is being run.


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