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Elected mayor race is on as petition is validated
10:04am Thursday 31st January 2008
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THE race for an elected mayor is definitely ON as the petition which demanded one has now been validated.
The petition, which ran to 996 pages, was compiled by MART (Manchester Against Road Tolls) who want a directly elected mayor with real powers to fight the proposed congestion charge.
It contained 9,460 names, and council staff have spent the last three weeks checking the names against the electoral register.
Some 8,207 signatures were valid, well above the 6,961 names that the campaigners needed to force a referendum.
There were 1,253 invalid signatures: 49 had details missing, 118 were duplicates, and 1,086 were either not on the register or did not live in the borough of Bury: one person came from Turkey!
A referendum must now be held within six months, although there are various hoops to go through first. The council will consult the public about the mayoral options available, e.g. whether a mayor would rule alongside a cabinet, or with a chief executive. The poll must also be considered by the government.
Councillor Bob Bibby, the Tory leader of Bury council, says he is personally opposed to elected mayors.
"Not only is this a waste of money that could be used for frontline services, it will also reduce the democratic accountability of the head of the council," he said.
"Currently, the leader of the council is accountable to the executive, his or her group, and all elected members. If the leader started to act against the interests of the borough, he could be ditched with almost no notice, whereas once elected, a mayor can only be ousted after four years.
"If an incumbent leader of any council without an elected mayor decides not to seek re-election, they still have to continue to work in a way that meets with public approval, so as not to cause problems for any of their colleagues that intend to re-stand.
"But in Bedford, for example, where a local newspaper owner won the election, he is not the leader of the largest group, and does not have to follow the same considerations."
Coun Bibby added: "Is it just coincidence that all those saying the current system should be changed are those that have either not managed to get elected, or have been voted out under the current system?"
MART are now petitioning for an elected mayor in Bolton, hoping that the council will become the fourth in Greater Manchester to oppose the congestion charge.
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Merlin, The Voice of Reason, Ramsbottom says...
11:07am Thu 31 Jan 08
Why is this group sticking its' oar into Bury and Bolton affairs.
The last time I looked on a map, neither Bury nor Bolton were in Manchester, even though some of the power-crazed at Manchester Town Hall would like to think otherwise.
However, I support the sentiment that Bury and Bolton should reclaim their power as proud independent Lancashire towns.
The Greater Manchester Experiment has failed. Now let's cremate it and celebrate it going up in smoke.
Merlin, The Voice of Reason, Ramsbottom says...
11:07am Thu 31 Jan 08
Why is this group sticking its' oar into Bury and Bolton affairs.
The last time I looked on a map, neither Bury nor Bolton were in Manchester, even though some of the power-crazed at Manchester Town Hall would like to think otherwise.
However, I support the sentiment that Bury and Bolton should reclaim their power as proud independent Lancashire towns.
The Greater Manchester Experiment has failed. Now let's cremate it and celebrate it going up in smoke.
Merlin, The Voice of Reason, Ramsbottom says...
11:07am Thu 31 Jan 08
Why is this group sticking its' oar into Bury and Bolton affairs.
The last time I looked on a map, neither Bury nor Bolton were in Manchester, even though some of the power-crazed at Manchester Town Hall would like to think otherwise.
However, I support the sentiment that Bury and Bolton should reclaim their power as proud independent Lancashire towns.
The Greater Manchester Experiment has failed. Now let's cremate it and celebrate it going up in smoke.
Merlin, The Voice of Reason, Ramsbottom says...
11:07am Thu 31 Jan 08
Why is this group sticking its' oar into Bury and Bolton affairs.
The last time I looked on a map, neither Bury nor Bolton were in Manchester, even though some of the power-crazed at Manchester Town Hall would like to think otherwise.
However, I support the sentiment that Bury and Bolton should reclaim their power as proud independent Lancashire towns.
The Greater Manchester Experiment has failed. Now let's cremate it and celebrate it going up in smoke.
Merlin, The Voice of Reason, Ramsbottom says...
11:07am Thu 31 Jan 08
Why is this group sticking its' oar into Bury and Bolton affairs.
The last time I looked on a map, neither Bury nor Bolton were in Manchester, even though some of the power-crazed at Manchester Town Hall would like to think otherwise.
However, I support the sentiment that Bury and Bolton should reclaim their power as proud independent Lancashire towns.
The Greater Manchester Experiment has failed. Now let's cremate it and celebrate it going up in smoke.
Merlin, The Voice of Reason, Ramsbottom says...
11:07am Thu 31 Jan 08
Why is this group sticking its' oar into Bury and Bolton affairs.
The last time I looked on a map, neither Bury nor Bolton were in Manchester, even though some of the power-crazed at Manchester Town Hall would like to think otherwise.
However, I support the sentiment that Bury and Bolton should reclaim their power as proud independent Lancashire towns.
The Greater Manchester Experiment has failed. Now let's cremate it and celebrate it going up in smoke.
Merlin, The Voice of Reason, Ramsbottom says...
11:07am Thu 31 Jan 08
Why is this group sticking its' oar into Bury and Bolton affairs.
The last time I looked on a map, neither Bury nor Bolton were in Manchester, even though some of the power-crazed at Manchester Town Hall would like to think otherwise.
However, I support the sentiment that Bury and Bolton should reclaim their power as proud independent Lancashire towns.
The Greater Manchester Experiment has failed. Now let's cremate it and celebrate it going up in smoke.
Merlin, The Voice of Reason, Ramsbottom says...
11:07am Thu 31 Jan 08
Why is this group sticking its' oar into Bury and Bolton affairs.
The last time I looked on a map, neither Bury nor Bolton were in Manchester, even though some of the power-crazed at Manchester Town Hall would like to think otherwise.
However, I support the sentiment that Bury and Bolton should reclaim their power as proud independent Lancashire towns.
The Greater Manchester Experiment has failed. Now let's cremate it and celebrate it going up in smoke.
Merlin, The Voice of Reason, Ramsbottom says...
11:07am Thu 31 Jan 08
Why is this group sticking its' oar into Bury and Bolton affairs.
The last time I looked on a map, neither Bury nor Bolton were in Manchester, even though some of the power-crazed at Manchester Town Hall would like to think otherwise.
However, I support the sentiment that Bury and Bolton should reclaim their power as proud independent Lancashire towns.
The Greater Manchester Experiment has failed. Now let's cremate it and celebrate it going up in smoke.
Merlin, The Voice of Reason, Ramsbottom says...
11:07am Thu 31 Jan 08
Why is this group sticking its' oar into Bury and Bolton affairs.
The last time I looked on a map, neither Bury nor Bolton were in Manchester, even though some of the power-crazed at Manchester Town Hall would like to think otherwise.
However, I support the sentiment that Bury and Bolton should reclaim their power as proud independent Lancashire towns.
The Greater Manchester Experiment has failed. Now let's cremate it and celebrate it going up in smoke.
Merlin, The Voice of Reason, Ramsbottom says...
11:07am Thu 31 Jan 08
Why is this group sticking its' oar into Bury and Bolton affairs.
The last time I looked on a map, neither Bury nor Bolton were in Manchester, even though some of the power-crazed at Manchester Town Hall would like to think otherwise.
However, I support the sentiment that Bury and Bolton should reclaim their power as proud independent Lancashire towns.
The Greater Manchester Experiment has failed. Now let's cremate it and celebrate it going up in smoke.
Merlin, The Voice of Reason, Ramsbottom says...
11:07am Thu 31 Jan 08
Why is this group sticking its' oar into Bury and Bolton affairs.
The last time I looked on a map, neither Bury nor Bolton were in Manchester, even though some of the power-crazed at Manchester Town Hall would like to think otherwise.
However, I support the sentiment that Bury and Bolton should reclaim their power as proud independent Lancashire towns.
The Greater Manchester Experiment has failed. Now let's cremate it and celebrate it going up in smoke.
Merlin, The Voice of Reason, Ramsbottom says...
11:07am Thu 31 Jan 08
Why is this group sticking its' oar into Bury and Bolton affairs.
The last time I looked on a map, neither Bury nor Bolton were in Manchester, even though some of the power-crazed at Manchester Town Hall would like to think otherwise.
However, I support the sentiment that Bury and Bolton should reclaim their power as proud independent Lancashire towns.
The Greater Manchester Experiment has failed. Now let's cremate it and celebrate it going up in smoke.
Merlin, The Voice of Reason, Ramsbottom says...
11:07am Thu 31 Jan 08
Why is this group sticking its' oar into Bury and Bolton affairs.
The last time I looked on a map, neither Bury nor Bolton were in Manchester, even though some of the power-crazed at Manchester Town Hall would like to think otherwise.
However, I support the sentiment that Bury and Bolton should reclaim their power as proud independent Lancashire towns.
The Greater Manchester Experiment has failed. Now let's cremate it and celebrate it going up in smoke.
Merlin, The Voice of Reason, Ramsbottom says...
11:07am Thu 31 Jan 08
Why is this group sticking its' oar into Bury and Bolton affairs.
The last time I looked on a map, neither Bury nor Bolton were in Manchester, even though some of the power-crazed at Manchester Town Hall would like to think otherwise.
However, I support the sentiment that Bury and Bolton should reclaim their power as proud independent Lancashire towns.
The Greater Manchester Experiment has failed. Now let's cremate it and celebrate it going up in smoke.
Merlin, The Voice of Reason, Ramsbottom says...
11:07am Thu 31 Jan 08
Why is this group sticking its' oar into Bury and Bolton affairs.
The last time I looked on a map, neither Bury nor Bolton were in Manchester, even though some of the power-crazed at Manchester Town Hall would like to think otherwise.
However, I support the sentiment that Bury and Bolton should reclaim their power as proud independent Lancashire towns.
The Greater Manchester Experiment has failed. Now let's cremate it and celebrate it going up in smoke.
Merlin, The Voice of Reason, Ramsbottom says...
11:07am Thu 31 Jan 08
Why is this group sticking its' oar into Bury and Bolton affairs.
The last time I looked on a map, neither Bury nor Bolton were in Manchester, even though some of the power-crazed at Manchester Town Hall would like to think otherwise.
However, I support the sentiment that Bury and Bolton should reclaim their power as proud independent Lancashire towns.
The Greater Manchester Experiment has failed. Now let's cremate it and celebrate it going up in smoke.
Merlin, The Voice of Reason, Ramsbottom says...
11:07am Thu 31 Jan 08
Why is this group sticking its' oar into Bury and Bolton affairs.
The last time I looked on a map, neither Bury nor Bolton were in Manchester, even though some of the power-crazed at Manchester Town Hall would like to think otherwise.
However, I support the sentiment that Bury and Bolton should reclaim their power as proud independent Lancashire towns.
The Greater Manchester Experiment has failed. Now let's cremate it and celebrate it going up in smoke.
Merlin, The Voice of Reason, Ramsbottom says...
11:07am Thu 31 Jan 08
Why is this group sticking its' oar into Bury and Bolton affairs.
The last time I looked on a map, neither Bury nor Bolton were in Manchester, even though some of the power-crazed at Manchester Town Hall would like to think otherwise.
However, I support the sentiment that Bury and Bolton should reclaim their power as proud independent Lancashire towns.
The Greater Manchester Experiment has failed. Now let's cremate it and celebrate it going up in smoke.
sitush, w/fld says...
12:30am Fri 1 Feb 08
Comments in relation to MART might be better directed towards the political provenance/agenda of those named in the past as being the instigators /leaders of it. Berg, in particular.
sitush, w/fld says...
12:30am Fri 1 Feb 08
Comments in relation to MART might be better directed towards the political provenance/agenda of those named in the past as being the instigators /leaders of it. Berg, in particular.
sitush, w/fld says...
12:30am Fri 1 Feb 08
Comments in relation to MART might be better directed towards the political provenance/agenda of those named in the past as being the instigators /leaders of it. Berg, in particular.
sitush, w/fld says...
12:30am Fri 1 Feb 08
Comments in relation to MART might be better directed towards the political provenance/agenda of those named in the past as being the instigators /leaders of it. Berg, in particular.
sitush, w/fld says...
12:30am Fri 1 Feb 08
Comments in relation to MART might be better directed towards the political provenance/agenda of those named in the past as being the instigators /leaders of it. Berg, in particular.
sitush, w/fld says...
12:30am Fri 1 Feb 08
Comments in relation to MART might be better directed towards the political provenance/agenda of those named in the past as being the instigators /leaders of it. Berg, in particular.
sitush, w/fld says...
12:30am Fri 1 Feb 08
Comments in relation to MART might be better directed towards the political provenance/agenda of those named in the past as being the instigators /leaders of it. Berg, in particular.
sitush, w/fld says...
12:30am Fri 1 Feb 08
Comments in relation to MART might be better directed towards the political provenance/agenda of those named in the past as being the instigators /leaders of it. Berg, in particular.
sitush, w/fld says...
12:30am Fri 1 Feb 08
Comments in relation to MART might be better directed towards the political provenance/agenda of those named in the past as being the instigators /leaders of it. Berg, in particular.
sitush, w/fld says...
12:30am Fri 1 Feb 08
Comments in relation to MART might be better directed towards the political provenance/agenda of those named in the past as being the instigators /leaders of it. Berg, in particular.
sitush, w/fld says...
12:30am Fri 1 Feb 08
Comments in relation to MART might be better directed towards the political provenance/agenda of those named in the past as being the instigators /leaders of it. Berg, in particular.
sitush, w/fld says...
12:30am Fri 1 Feb 08
Comments in relation to MART might be better directed towards the political provenance/agenda of those named in the past as being the instigators /leaders of it. Berg, in particular.
sitush, w/fld says...
12:30am Fri 1 Feb 08
Comments in relation to MART might be better directed towards the political provenance/agenda of those named in the past as being the instigators /leaders of it. Berg, in particular.
sitush, w/fld says...
12:30am Fri 1 Feb 08
Comments in relation to MART might be better directed towards the political provenance/agenda of those named in the past as being the instigators /leaders of it. Berg, in particular.
sitush, w/fld says...
12:30am Fri 1 Feb 08
Comments in relation to MART might be better directed towards the political provenance/agenda of those named in the past as being the instigators /leaders of it. Berg, in particular.
sitush, w/fld says...
12:30am Fri 1 Feb 08
Comments in relation to MART might be better directed towards the political provenance/agenda of those named in the past as being the instigators /leaders of it. Berg, in particular.
sitush, w/fld says...
12:30am Fri 1 Feb 08
Comments in relation to MART might be better directed towards the political provenance/agenda of those named in the past as being the instigators /leaders of it. Berg, in particular.
sitush, w/fld says...
12:30am Fri 1 Feb 08
Comments in relation to MART might be better directed towards the political provenance/agenda of those named in the past as being the instigators /leaders of it. Berg, in particular.
sitush, w/fld says...
12:30am Fri 1 Feb 08
Comments in relation to MART might be better directed towards the political provenance/agenda of those named in the past as being the instigators /leaders of it. Berg, in particular.
sitush, w/fld says...
12:30am Fri 1 Feb 08
Comments in relation to MART might be better directed towards the political provenance/agenda of those named in the past as being the instigators /leaders of it. Berg, in particular.
Rob, MART says...
3:14pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Merlin - last time I looked on a map Bury is part of Greater Manchester - poeple from Bury will have to repay the TIF loan along with the other 10 boroughs of GM, as well as getting a seperate charging zone in phase 2 of the plans.
We are sticking our oar in Tameside's business as well, to ensure we get a say:www.tamesidemart.co.
uk
Rob, MART says...
3:14pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Merlin - last time I looked on a map Bury is part of Greater Manchester - poeple from Bury will have to repay the TIF loan along with the other 10 boroughs of GM, as well as getting a seperate charging zone in phase 2 of the plans.
We are sticking our oar in Tameside's business as well, to ensure we get a say:www.tamesidemart.co.
uk
Rob, MART says...
3:14pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Merlin - last time I looked on a map Bury is part of Greater Manchester - poeple from Bury will have to repay the TIF loan along with the other 10 boroughs of GM, as well as getting a seperate charging zone in phase 2 of the plans.
We are sticking our oar in Tameside's business as well, to ensure we get a say:www.tamesidemart.co.
uk
Rob, MART says...
3:14pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Merlin - last time I looked on a map Bury is part of Greater Manchester - poeple from Bury will have to repay the TIF loan along with the other 10 boroughs of GM, as well as getting a seperate charging zone in phase 2 of the plans.
We are sticking our oar in Tameside's business as well, to ensure we get a say:www.tamesidemart.co.
uk
Rob, MART says...
3:14pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Merlin - last time I looked on a map Bury is part of Greater Manchester - poeple from Bury will have to repay the TIF loan along with the other 10 boroughs of GM, as well as getting a seperate charging zone in phase 2 of the plans.
We are sticking our oar in Tameside's business as well, to ensure we get a say:www.tamesidemart.co.
uk
Rob, MART says...
3:14pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Merlin - last time I looked on a map Bury is part of Greater Manchester - poeple from Bury will have to repay the TIF loan along with the other 10 boroughs of GM, as well as getting a seperate charging zone in phase 2 of the plans.
We are sticking our oar in Tameside's business as well, to ensure we get a say:www.tamesidemart.co.
uk
Rob, MART says...
3:14pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Merlin - last time I looked on a map Bury is part of Greater Manchester - poeple from Bury will have to repay the TIF loan along with the other 10 boroughs of GM, as well as getting a seperate charging zone in phase 2 of the plans.
We are sticking our oar in Tameside's business as well, to ensure we get a say:www.tamesidemart.co.
uk
Rob, MART says...
3:14pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Merlin - last time I looked on a map Bury is part of Greater Manchester - poeple from Bury will have to repay the TIF loan along with the other 10 boroughs of GM, as well as getting a seperate charging zone in phase 2 of the plans.
We are sticking our oar in Tameside's business as well, to ensure we get a say:www.tamesidemart.co.
uk
Rob, MART says...
3:14pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Merlin - last time I looked on a map Bury is part of Greater Manchester - poeple from Bury will have to repay the TIF loan along with the other 10 boroughs of GM, as well as getting a seperate charging zone in phase 2 of the plans.
We are sticking our oar in Tameside's business as well, to ensure we get a say:www.tamesidemart.co.
uk
Rob, MART says...
3:14pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Merlin - last time I looked on a map Bury is part of Greater Manchester - poeple from Bury will have to repay the TIF loan along with the other 10 boroughs of GM, as well as getting a seperate charging zone in phase 2 of the plans.
We are sticking our oar in Tameside's business as well, to ensure we get a say:www.tamesidemart.co.
uk
Rob, MART says...
3:14pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Merlin - last time I looked on a map Bury is part of Greater Manchester - poeple from Bury will have to repay the TIF loan along with the other 10 boroughs of GM, as well as getting a seperate charging zone in phase 2 of the plans.
We are sticking our oar in Tameside's business as well, to ensure we get a say:www.tamesidemart.co.
uk
Rob, MART says...
3:14pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Merlin - last time I looked on a map Bury is part of Greater Manchester - poeple from Bury will have to repay the TIF loan along with the other 10 boroughs of GM, as well as getting a seperate charging zone in phase 2 of the plans.
We are sticking our oar in Tameside's business as well, to ensure we get a say:www.tamesidemart.co.
uk
Rob, MART says...
3:14pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Merlin - last time I looked on a map Bury is part of Greater Manchester - poeple from Bury will have to repay the TIF loan along with the other 10 boroughs of GM, as well as getting a seperate charging zone in phase 2 of the plans.
We are sticking our oar in Tameside's business as well, to ensure we get a say:www.tamesidemart.co.
uk
Rob, MART says...
3:14pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Merlin - last time I looked on a map Bury is part of Greater Manchester - poeple from Bury will have to repay the TIF loan along with the other 10 boroughs of GM, as well as getting a seperate charging zone in phase 2 of the plans.
We are sticking our oar in Tameside's business as well, to ensure we get a say:www.tamesidemart.co.
uk
Rob, MART says...
3:14pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Merlin - last time I looked on a map Bury is part of Greater Manchester - poeple from Bury will have to repay the TIF loan along with the other 10 boroughs of GM, as well as getting a seperate charging zone in phase 2 of the plans.
We are sticking our oar in Tameside's business as well, to ensure we get a say:www.tamesidemart.co.
uk
Rob, MART says...
3:14pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Merlin - last time I looked on a map Bury is part of Greater Manchester - poeple from Bury will have to repay the TIF loan along with the other 10 boroughs of GM, as well as getting a seperate charging zone in phase 2 of the plans.
We are sticking our oar in Tameside's business as well, to ensure we get a say:www.tamesidemart.co.
uk
Rob, MART says...
3:14pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Merlin - last time I looked on a map Bury is part of Greater Manchester - poeple from Bury will have to repay the TIF loan along with the other 10 boroughs of GM, as well as getting a seperate charging zone in phase 2 of the plans.
We are sticking our oar in Tameside's business as well, to ensure we get a say:www.tamesidemart.co.
uk
Rob, MART says...
3:14pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Merlin - last time I looked on a map Bury is part of Greater Manchester - poeple from Bury will have to repay the TIF loan along with the other 10 boroughs of GM, as well as getting a seperate charging zone in phase 2 of the plans.
We are sticking our oar in Tameside's business as well, to ensure we get a say:www.tamesidemart.co.
uk
Rob, MART says...
3:14pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Merlin - last time I looked on a map Bury is part of Greater Manchester - poeple from Bury will have to repay the TIF loan along with the other 10 boroughs of GM, as well as getting a seperate charging zone in phase 2 of the plans.
We are sticking our oar in Tameside's business as well, to ensure we get a say:www.tamesidemart.co.
uk
Rob, MART says...
3:14pm Fri 1 Feb 08
Merlin - last time I looked on a map Bury is part of Greater Manchester - poeple from Bury will have to repay the TIF loan along with the other 10 boroughs of GM, as well as getting a seperate charging zone in phase 2 of the plans.
We are sticking our oar in Tameside's business as well, to ensure we get a say:www.tamesidemart.co.
uk
sitush, w/fld says...
1:09am Sun 3 Feb 08
I've had Mr Berg's supporters call on me at home regarding two or three issues since he was de-selected as the Tory parliamentary candidate, and on all occasions it seemed clear to me that the various issues being raised were designed ultimately for his benefit. Alas, it is not hard to get a lot of support for an emotive issue, albeit much of that support probably derives from people who genuinely cannot understand the full consequences of that to which they sign up to.
I'm apolitical, non-affiliated etc - but I do believe that Mr Berg has since his deselection been undertaking a grass roots campaign on limited issues to bolster his own position.
FWIW, I don't like the idea of tolls. But I don't like the MART methods either. So convince me.
sitush, w/fld says...
1:09am Sun 3 Feb 08
I've had Mr Berg's supporters call on me at home regarding two or three issues since he was de-selected as the Tory parliamentary candidate, and on all occasions it seemed clear to me that the various issues being raised were designed ultimately for his benefit. Alas, it is not hard to get a lot of support for an emotive issue, albeit much of that support probably derives from people who genuinely cannot understand the full consequences of that to which they sign up to.
I'm apolitical, non-affiliated etc - but I do believe that Mr Berg has since his deselection been undertaking a grass roots campaign on limited issues to bolster his own position.
FWIW, I don't like the idea of tolls. But I don't like the MART methods either. So convince me.
sitush, w/fld says...
1:09am Sun 3 Feb 08
I've had Mr Berg's supporters call on me at home regarding two or three issues since he was de-selected as the Tory parliamentary candidate, and on all occasions it seemed clear to me that the various issues being raised were designed ultimately for his benefit. Alas, it is not hard to get a lot of support for an emotive issue, albeit much of that support probably derives from people who genuinely cannot understand the full consequences of that to which they sign up to.
I'm apolitical, non-affiliated etc - but I do believe that Mr Berg has since his deselection been undertaking a grass roots campaign on limited issues to bolster his own position.
FWIW, I don't like the idea of tolls. But I don't like the MART methods either. So convince me.
sitush, w/fld says...
1:09am Sun 3 Feb 08
I've had Mr Berg's supporters call on me at home regarding two or three issues since he was de-selected as the Tory parliamentary candidate, and on all occasions it seemed clear to me that the various issues being raised were designed ultimately for his benefit. Alas, it is not hard to get a lot of support for an emotive issue, albeit much of that support probably derives from people who genuinely cannot understand the full consequences of that to which they sign up to.
I'm apolitical, non-affiliated etc - but I do believe that Mr Berg has since his deselection been undertaking a grass roots campaign on limited issues to bolster his own position.
FWIW, I don't like the idea of tolls. But I don't like the MART methods either. So convince me.
sitush, w/fld says...
1:09am Sun 3 Feb 08
I've had Mr Berg's supporters call on me at home regarding two or three issues since he was de-selected as the Tory parliamentary candidate, and on all occasions it seemed clear to me that the various issues being raised were designed ultimately for his benefit. Alas, it is not hard to get a lot of support for an emotive issue, albeit much of that support probably derives from people who genuinely cannot understand the full consequences of that to which they sign up to.
I'm apolitical, non-affiliated etc - but I do believe that Mr Berg has since his deselection been undertaking a grass roots campaign on limited issues to bolster his own position.
FWIW, I don't like the idea of tolls. But I don't like the MART methods either. So convince me.
sitush, w/fld says...
1:09am Sun 3 Feb 08
I've had Mr Berg's supporters call on me at home regarding two or three issues since he was de-selected as the Tory parliamentary candidate, and on all occasions it seemed clear to me that the various issues being raised were designed ultimately for his benefit. Alas, it is not hard to get a lot of support for an emotive issue, albeit much of that support probably derives from people who genuinely cannot understand the full consequences of that to which they sign up to.
I'm apolitical, non-affiliated etc - but I do believe that Mr Berg has since his deselection been undertaking a grass roots campaign on limited issues to bolster his own position.
FWIW, I don't like the idea of tolls. But I don't like the MART methods either. So convince me.
sitush, w/fld says...
1:09am Sun 3 Feb 08
I've had Mr Berg's supporters call on me at home regarding two or three issues since he was de-selected as the Tory parliamentary candidate, and on all occasions it seemed clear to me that the various issues being raised were designed ultimately for his benefit. Alas, it is not hard to get a lot of support for an emotive issue, albeit much of that support probably derives from people who genuinely cannot understand the full consequences of that to which they sign up to.
I'm apolitical, non-affiliated etc - but I do believe that Mr Berg has since his deselection been undertaking a grass roots campaign on limited issues to bolster his own position.
FWIW, I don't like the idea of tolls. But I don't like the MART methods either. So convince me.
sitush, w/fld says...
1:09am Sun 3 Feb 08
I've had Mr Berg's supporters call on me at home regarding two or three issues since he was de-selected as the Tory parliamentary candidate, and on all occasions it seemed clear to me that the various issues being raised were designed ultimately for his benefit. Alas, it is not hard to get a lot of support for an emotive issue, albeit much of that support probably derives from people who genuinely cannot understand the full consequences of that to which they sign up to.
I'm apolitical, non-affiliated etc - but I do believe that Mr Berg has since his deselection been undertaking a grass roots campaign on limited issues to bolster his own position.
FWIW, I don't like the idea of tolls. But I don't like the MART methods either. So convince me.
sitush, w/fld says...
1:09am Sun 3 Feb 08
I've had Mr Berg's supporters call on me at home regarding two or three issues since he was de-selected as the Tory parliamentary candidate, and on all occasions it seemed clear to me that the various issues being raised were designed ultimately for his benefit. Alas, it is not hard to get a lot of support for an emotive issue, albeit much of that support probably derives from people who genuinely cannot understand the full consequences of that to which they sign up to.
I'm apolitical, non-affiliated etc - but I do believe that Mr Berg has since his deselection been undertaking a grass roots campaign on limited issues to bolster his own position.
FWIW, I don't like the idea of tolls. But I don't like the MART methods either. So convince me.
sitush, w/fld says...
1:09am Sun 3 Feb 08
I've had Mr Berg's supporters call on me at home regarding two or three issues since he was de-selected as the Tory parliamentary candidate, and on all occasions it seemed clear to me that the various issues being raised were designed ultimately for his benefit. Alas, it is not hard to get a lot of support for an emotive issue, albeit much of that support probably derives from people who genuinely cannot understand the full consequences of that to which they sign up to.
I'm apolitical, non-affiliated etc - but I do believe that Mr Berg has since his deselection been undertaking a grass roots campaign on limited issues to bolster his own position.
FWIW, I don't like the idea of tolls. But I don't like the MART methods either. So convince me.
sitush, w/fld says...
1:09am Sun 3 Feb 08
I've had Mr Berg's supporters call on me at home regarding two or three issues since he was de-selected as the Tory parliamentary candidate, and on all occasions it seemed clear to me that the various issues being raised were designed ultimately for his benefit. Alas, it is not hard to get a lot of support for an emotive issue, albeit much of that support probably derives from people who genuinely cannot understand the full consequences of that to which they sign up to.
I'm apolitical, non-affiliated etc - but I do believe that Mr Berg has since his deselection been undertaking a grass roots campaign on limited issues to bolster his own position.
FWIW, I don't like the idea of tolls. But I don't like the MART methods either. So convince me.
sitush, w/fld says...
1:09am Sun 3 Feb 08
I've had Mr Berg's supporters call on me at home regarding two or three issues since he was de-selected as the Tory parliamentary candidate, and on all occasions it seemed clear to me that the various issues being raised were designed ultimately for his benefit. Alas, it is not hard to get a lot of support for an emotive issue, albeit much of that support probably derives from people who genuinely cannot understand the full consequences of that to which they sign up to.
I'm apolitical, non-affiliated etc - but I do believe that Mr Berg has since his deselection been undertaking a grass roots campaign on limited issues to bolster his own position.
FWIW, I don't like the idea of tolls. But I don't like the MART methods either. So convince me.
sitush, w/fld says...
1:09am Sun 3 Feb 08
I've had Mr Berg's supporters call on me at home regarding two or three issues since he was de-selected as the Tory parliamentary candidate, and on all occasions it seemed clear to me that the various issues being raised were designed ultimately for his benefit. Alas, it is not hard to get a lot of support for an emotive issue, albeit much of that support probably derives from people who genuinely cannot understand the full consequences of that to which they sign up to.
I'm apolitical, non-affiliated etc - but I do believe that Mr Berg has since his deselection been undertaking a grass roots campaign on limited issues to bolster his own position.
FWIW, I don't like the idea of tolls. But I don't like the MART methods either. So convince me.
sitush, w/fld says...
1:09am Sun 3 Feb 08
I've had Mr Berg's supporters call on me at home regarding two or three issues since he was de-selected as the Tory parliamentary candidate, and on all occasions it seemed clear to me that the various issues being raised were designed ultimately for his benefit. Alas, it is not hard to get a lot of support for an emotive issue, albeit much of that support probably derives from people who genuinely cannot understand the full consequences of that to which they sign up to.
I'm apolitical, non-affiliated etc - but I do believe that Mr Berg has since his deselection been undertaking a grass roots campaign on limited issues to bolster his own position.
FWIW, I don't like the idea of tolls. But I don't like the MART methods either. So convince me.
sitush, w/fld says...
1:09am Sun 3 Feb 08
I've had Mr Berg's supporters call on me at home regarding two or three issues since he was de-selected as the Tory parliamentary candidate, and on all occasions it seemed clear to me that the various issues being raised were designed ultimately for his benefit. Alas, it is not hard to get a lot of support for an emotive issue, albeit much of that support probably derives from people who genuinely cannot understand the full consequences of that to which they sign up to.
I'm apolitical, non-affiliated etc - but I do believe that Mr Berg has since his deselection been undertaking a grass roots campaign on limited issues to bolster his own position.
FWIW, I don't like the idea of tolls. But I don't like the MART methods either. So convince me.
sitush, w/fld says...
1:09am Sun 3 Feb 08
I've had Mr Berg's supporters call on me at home regarding two or three issues since he was de-selected as the Tory parliamentary candidate, and on all occasions it seemed clear to me that the various issues being raised were designed ultimately for his benefit. Alas, it is not hard to get a lot of support for an emotive issue, albeit much of that support probably derives from people who genuinely cannot understand the full consequences of that to which they sign up to.
I'm apolitical, non-affiliated etc - but I do believe that Mr Berg has since his deselection been undertaking a grass roots campaign on limited issues to bolster his own position.
FWIW, I don't like the idea of tolls. But I don't like the MART methods either. So convince me.
sitush, w/fld says...
1:09am Sun 3 Feb 08
I've had Mr Berg's supporters call on me at home regarding two or three issues since he was de-selected as the Tory parliamentary candidate, and on all occasions it seemed clear to me that the various issues being raised were designed ultimately for his benefit. Alas, it is not hard to get a lot of support for an emotive issue, albeit much of that support probably derives from people who genuinely cannot understand the full consequences of that to which they sign up to.
I'm apolitical, non-affiliated etc - but I do believe that Mr Berg has since his deselection been undertaking a grass roots campaign on limited issues to bolster his own position.
FWIW, I don't like the idea of tolls. But I don't like the MART methods either. So convince me.
sitush, w/fld says...
1:09am Sun 3 Feb 08
I've had Mr Berg's supporters call on me at home regarding two or three issues since he was de-selected as the Tory parliamentary candidate, and on all occasions it seemed clear to me that the various issues being raised were designed ultimately for his benefit. Alas, it is not hard to get a lot of support for an emotive issue, albeit much of that support probably derives from people who genuinely cannot understand the full consequences of that to which they sign up to.
I'm apolitical, non-affiliated etc - but I do believe that Mr Berg has since his deselection been undertaking a grass roots campaign on limited issues to bolster his own position.
FWIW, I don't like the idea of tolls. But I don't like the MART methods either. So convince me.
sitush, w/fld says...
1:09am Sun 3 Feb 08
I've had Mr Berg's supporters call on me at home regarding two or three issues since he was de-selected as the Tory parliamentary candidate, and on all occasions it seemed clear to me that the various issues being raised were designed ultimately for his benefit. Alas, it is not hard to get a lot of support for an emotive issue, albeit much of that support probably derives from people who genuinely cannot understand the full consequences of that to which they sign up to.
I'm apolitical, non-affiliated etc - but I do believe that Mr Berg has since his deselection been undertaking a grass roots campaign on limited issues to bolster his own position.
FWIW, I don't like the idea of tolls. But I don't like the MART methods either. So convince me.
sitush, w/fld says...
1:09am Sun 3 Feb 08
I've had Mr Berg's supporters call on me at home regarding two or three issues since he was de-selected as the Tory parliamentary candidate, and on all occasions it seemed clear to me that the various issues being raised were designed ultimately for his benefit. Alas, it is not hard to get a lot of support for an emotive issue, albeit much of that support probably derives from people who genuinely cannot understand the full consequences of that to which they sign up to.
I'm apolitical, non-affiliated etc - but I do believe that Mr Berg has since his deselection been undertaking a grass roots campaign on limited issues to bolster his own position.
FWIW, I don't like the idea of tolls. But I don't like the MART methods either. So convince me.
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Merlin, The Voice of Reason, Ramsbottom says...
11:07am Thu 31 Jan 08
Why is this group sticking its' oar into Bury and Bolton affairs.
The last time I looked on a map, neither Bury nor Bolton were in Manchester, even though some of the power-crazed at Manchester Town Hall would like to think otherwise.
However, I support the sentiment that Bury and Bolton should reclaim their power as proud independent Lancashire towns.
The Greater Manchester Experiment has failed. Now let's cremate it and celebrate it going up in smoke.