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Smoking ban has 'turned town centres into ashtrays'

10:40pm Sunday 30th December 2007

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CAMPAIGNERS have called for a clampdown on people littering streets with cigarettes after branding East Lancashire town centres "ashtrays"

They said it was now the area's biggest litter problem - and want local authorities to start issuing fines in a bid to stub out the practice.

There are also calls for a change in smokers' attitudes, particularly outside businesses and pubs, to stop streets becoming littered with cigarette butts.

Since the ban on smoking came into force in England in July, councillors, pub landlords and environmental campaigners said that the litter problem had increased sharply in East Lancashire.

It is said to be particularly on Saturday and Sunday mornings after the weekend nights out, when streets outside pubs are littered with discarded cigarettes.

But it is not just the night-time economy that is affected - the outsides of many offices and workplaces have similar piles of fag ends.

Campaigners said that smokers littering the streets needed to face the fines that those who dropped other types of rubbish, such as chewing gum, received.

They want the council wardens to go out on patrol to run a clampdown.

East Lancashire Friends of the Earth said that there was "no excuse" for smokers dropping litter and that councils should take a strong stance against offenders.

Brian Jackson, from the group, said: "There is no excuse for dropping litter, especially when there are ashtrays provided.

"It looks so bad when you are walking down the street and you are met with the sight of so much cigarette rubbish. The mess you see some days is outrageous.

"If there are bins and ash trays the councils can be very firm with anyone who is littering."

Coun Howard Baker from Burnley Council said the authority should be taking a tougher line on smokers who litter and pubs that do not clear up.

Environmental Campaigns, which runs the Keep Britain Tidy Campaign, said it wanted to change people's attitudes and behaviour towards dropping cigarette litter following the ban.

A spokesman said: "Littering is an offence and we want to help encourage smokers to be more responsible about the way they dispose of their cigarette butts."

Landlord Geoff Sutcliffe, from the local Licensed Victuallers' Association, said the issue was one that pubs in the area were taking very seriously.

Mr Sutcliffe, who runs the Rising Sun in Whalley New Road, Brownhill, said: "Most pubs in East Lancashire have special outdoor smoking areas and bins but even that doesn't always help to limit litter.

"The problem is with the attitudes of smokers and it makes it very difficult for pubs to keep the areas around tidy.

"The public need to be educated that the littering must stop."

Local authorities are able to prosecute premises if littering around the business becomes a problem under environmental health regulations.

But Mr Sutcliffe said: "I am aware of prosecutions in Scotland where the smoking ban has been in force for a bit longer than this country.

"I don't think the situation here has reached that point here yet, because the law is still relatively new, but that is what will happen in the future.

"Every day I always sweep up outside my pub, not just because of the cigarette butts but because I want the place to look tidy and welcoming.

"It is very important to do that now since the smoking ban."

At India Mill in Darwen the entrances and carpark have become covered in litter and cigarette ends.

The former cotton mill in Bolton Road, which has a Grade II listed campanile chimney, has been sympathetically restored over recent years to provide prestigious office and leisure space.

Chief executive of the India Mill Company, Roger Southam, laid the blame at the feet of the Government for the new smoking legislation, and said that the company was "hamstrung".

He said they had been forced to close their former smoking shelter as it did not meet with new regulations.

Mr Southam said: "Unfortunately it's one of these things that the Government dictate to the country without thinking about the consequences on everybody."

Coun John Slater from Blackburn with Darwen Council said: "We have been working very closely with the pubs to make sure that the smoking ban is enforced and that there are no problems.

"There is certainly an issue with litter but we are taking a 'softly softly' approach.

"We can prosecute but we will not be resorting to that option.

"Education for both pubs and smokers is the key thing.

"We will not be enforcing the regulations with a big stick."

Hyndburn Council leader Coun Peter Britcliffe said the problem is a result of a "huge transitional change" that pubs and smokers were still getting used to.

He said: "The laws are still very new and the council is working with pubs to make sure that litter is not a problem."


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John, BB6 says...
11:31pm Sun 30 Dec 07

Chief executive of the India Mill Company, Roger Southam, laid the blame at the feet of the Government for the new smoking legislation, and said that the company was "hamstrung".

He said they had been forced to close their former smoking shelter as it did not meet with new regulations.

Mr Southam said: "Unfortunately it's one of these things that the Government dictate to the country without thinking about the consequences on everybody."


About the only law this p++s poor government of incompetent has beens have managed to make work is the 'law of unintended consequences'. It seems every new piece of nannying instruction from Brunland Headquarters has one or more unintended consequences.
It now seems they have decided you can't smoke in your OWN car if you are using it for work - the unintended consequence of this is that if you are only doing a little bit, it's ok to smoke, but high mileage = no smoking! So who decides where the line is drawn? Bonkers the lot of 'em!!

DaveA, Atherton says...
10:17am Mon 31 Dec 07

Are you readers aware that legally you are not obilged to give your name and address to the litter patrol man/woman. You only have to pass on your details in the company of a policeman. Happy New Year and enjoy www.nationalsmokingd
ay.com

Mad Publican, says...
11:14am Mon 31 Dec 07

Dave, you are spot on, the smoking police do not have the power of arrest, short of following you home they cannot force you to give ID. all you have to do is say " i have the right to remaine silent " or " F*** off " as i would do then leave the place. the only person that can arrest you is the police. speaking to my own local police over christmas they have stated that they will not turn up for a smoking related phone call. i think that says it all.

Big Figure, Lancs says...
12:20pm Mon 31 Dec 07

Are DaveA and Mad Publican seriously advocating the littering of the streets? It's clear to everyone that smokers are selfish but this is ridiculous.

Joe Public, Darwen says...
12:22pm Mon 31 Dec 07

Clearly this story is made up.

I mean who ever heard of smokers being dirty and disgusting by treating the world as their ashtray. Who has ever seem a smoker just throwing their butt end on the street or out of their car window?

TUG WILSON, NOTTINGHAM says...
12:46pm Mon 31 Dec 07

Dont blame the smokers,blame this so called Government,the smokers have to be inside pubs/clubs then there is no problem,it is National Smoking Day today so lets get some common sense back in the Country,have a very good smoking day,cheers, TUG.

Anna, united kingdom says...
1:36pm Mon 31 Dec 07

Funny how thet never mention Vomit!
I am fed up of dodging it all through our city cente
I cant stand outside my work with my portable ashtray as we are next to a club
with a porch that stinks of urine fresh vomit on top of dried.
And lowest of the low those who constantly allow thier dogs to defecate where they like constantly. Even on MY OWN LAWN Whilst the owners are there with them waiting for them to finish the dirty deed.
But I am going to get my own back as I have to keep clearing it up, I will parcel it up and send it back to the owners.
National smoking day today hurray.

Fredrik Eich, London says...
2:14pm Mon 31 Dec 07

When the smoking ban is ammended to allow smoking rooms in public places there will be less need for Coun Howard Baker to be taking a "tougher" line on anyone.

Ian the Beancounter, Darwen says...
5:03pm Mon 31 Dec 07

The only solution is to ban this filthy habit entirely, except in the privacy of your on home - and even then, only if no-one else, especially kids, are affected by the fumes. As regards the cigarette butts, follow Manchester's lead and issue Fixed Penalty Notices to everyone seen dropping one.

hankey pankey, Lancashire says...
5:10pm Mon 31 Dec 07

And dont forget the amount of spitting which is all over the pavements too. A pretty vile habit to say the least. YUK..

chas, suffolk says...
5:13pm Mon 31 Dec 07

I am surprised that we haven't any reports of bogus health inspectors trying to issue on the spot fines.

DaveA, Atherton says...
6:22pm Mon 31 Dec 07

Big Figure: I am a smoker who tries his level best to dispose of my cigarette resonsibilty and embarrassed about some of the dog ends I see in the street. I am equally appalled at crisp packets, chip wrappers et al disposed of accordingly. The point I am making here is that if we could smoke in a pube etc these problems would not exist. I do not see any council going out of its way to supply bins to make our disposal any easier. Another chance to gain more revenue is my take on the situation.

Big Figure, Lancs says...
2:02pm Tue 1 Jan 08

...if we could smoke in a pube etc...

Interesting concept - how does that work then?

pat, herfordshire says...
11:27pm Tue 1 Jan 08

Bring back smoking in doors if they donot like butts being thrown on the floor what did the government expect when they decided to sling smokers on the streets. We did not see this problem before the smoking ban was implemented and it is grossly unfair that we have been thrown out into the streets we should of had seperate smoking rooms allowed and seperate places to go.Another idiot law this government has brought in

cliff, london says...
8:34am Wed 2 Jan 08

if this government brought in this smoking law by showing equality, freedom and justice for all still existed there probably would not have this little irritation of cig butts on the street, as smokers would of had there own smokers bars, clubs and pubs to go to, and would not have to use the streets to entertain themselves.

Anthony, Accrington says...
10:14am Wed 2 Jan 08

They hound smokers, then they'll try to do the same to drinkers! This govt is only interested in being controlfreaks;you cannot have it both ways,you either allow smoking indoors or outdoors,they try to outlaw smoking indoors then they shove them outdoors now friends of the earth etc want it outlawing outdoors-WHAT HYPOCRITES!!!!!!!!!!
!!They've got to smoke somewhere. Someway smokers SHOULD be accommodated whatever the situation.

Billy Waggledagger, Lancashire says...
1:00pm Wed 2 Jan 08

Smokers dropping their cigarette butts on the floor is nothing to do with government policy - it's about smokers being slobs who treat the world as their ashtray.

chas, suffolk says...
2:37pm Wed 2 Jan 08

The dropping of cigarette butts on the floor is due to local councils not providing enough bins with ashtrays on top.

Ian the Beancounter, Darwen says...
4:02pm Wed 2 Jan 08

Why can't they put the extinguished butt back in the packet and dispose of it sensibly later? That does assume, however, that they haven't already thrown the empty packet on the floor!

chas, suffolk says...
4:13pm Wed 2 Jan 08

Wouldn't extinguishing a cigarette end make a terrible mess on the ground?

Emma, Withernsea says...
8:23pm Wed 2 Jan 08

Iam fed up with people complaining about dropping cigarettes end in the streets what about all the rubbish that is thrown every day onto our streets like crisp packets caarier bags flying about in the wind all the rubbish from take aways stop complaining about the smokers

Tony collins, nazi england says...
3:38pm Thu 3 Jan 08

Good..im glad town centres look like ashtrays..Take away the smoke ban...problem solved..all cigarette ends back in pub ashtrays where they belong ...no good sending smokers onto the streets then moaning...you never thought this one through did you new Labour.

Bill C, Wiltshire says...
8:07pm Thu 3 Jan 08

I am reluctant to put my cigarette stubs into bins for the simple reason of fire risk. Councils should provide better litter facilities for disposing of this litter. Simpler still would be to provide smoking venues, where smokers will be inside where we belong. This crass smoking ban in in dire need of amendment or ditching altogether.

ROBERT WOODS, london says...
1:59pm Fri 4 Jan 08

easy solution if you are a smoker don`t vote labour! who are slowly but surely ruining this country day by day.

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