ASBO twins 'may be autistic' (From This Is Lancashire)

buttercup, blackburn says...
11:58am Mon 23 Jul 07

Absolute Rubbish, autism is used as an excuse for badly behaved children/teenagers, if their parents had taken more responsibilies for their actions when the twins were younger and helped them to understand the difference between right and wrong then maybe they'd have a chance.

It's a cycle of depravation which hasn't been broken, that's all, no excuses and definately not Autism.

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Bilbo, Lancs says...
2:12pm Mon 23 Jul 07

Just two more scrotes trying to use "illness" as an excuse to get away with their persistant bad behaviour. lock 'em up.

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Sam Lynch, Rossendale says...
4:37pm Mon 23 Jul 07

HAHA You've been ASBO'D!!

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Jack Harkness, Torchwood Hub says...
4:54pm Mon 23 Jul 07

Well, strike me dead - never saw that coming did we?

These little yobs getting away scot free because they have a previously undetected illness ie 'autism'.

Sorry, pathetic excuse for out of control louts, probably with parents who are so stoned, drunk or just plain uncivilized as to take responsibility for them so we, the rest of society, have to instead.

Earlier I witnessed kids around the age of three/four ... the language they came out with was utterly vile. Most adults don't even come out with that vomit called speach issuing from their mouths. So, where does anyone think they get it from? At home, where else!

And suddenly, in the space of a matter of weeks they are astonishingly fast tracked through the NHS so fast they now have suspected autism??

Yeah, right I also believe vampires are real, too and pixies.

Not even parents who legitimately have children with autism get help that quickly; IF at all via LHA's.

These kids made other peoples lives hell - I don't have any sympathy with them. Not when so many people in our communities are put daily through the same thing by the little thugs.

It was once blamed on E numbers ... I would just like to thank that defending solicitor for allowing two more youths back out on our streets ...

Oh, it wasn't me, guv - it was the illness made me do it!

Give me strength!!

Next we'll see murderers, child molesters let out because they have schizophrenia and it was the 'illness made them do it' but funny how they never suffered with it BEFORE they were in court?

Makes me utterly sick!

Lock these twins up, get them the HELL away from the rest of humanity, preferably along with their deadbeat parents who wouldn't know how to raise a child if it hit them in the head!

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Ian G, England says...
6:30pm Mon 23 Jul 07

I wholeheartedly agree with everything Jack Harkness has said.

A completely accurate and first class post.

I would also like to add that I am staggered that defence solicitors such as David Leach can sleep at night representing scum like this and coming up with such filthy excuses to prey on our politically correct system. How can they live with themselves when they get scum like this let off with a bit of a telling off.

I'll tell you how - they are paid to do it and they are happy to take the money no matter what the job.

The really funny thing about it is WE ARE PAYING THEM!!!

This whole sorry situation is utterly wrong.

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Margaret, says...
8:58am Tue 24 Jul 07

What do you expect these days?
No punishment, no discipline, and taught from an early age that they can do what they want!

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kelly, rossendale says...
1:00pm Wed 8 Aug 07

i would first off like to say every1 has their own opinion but come on none of us no these girls n i av a daughter with autism n it is very hard to control them so i dot blame the parents at all secondly i dont think we should judge till we no iv these girls av autism also mr leech i thik shud be praised because autism is not eaisly detected and he is doin all he can to help them so that my opinion give the girls a break....

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billy, lancaster says...
1:10pm Wed 8 Aug 07

i agree with kelly it can be undetected for years n come on its like they are murderers i it come on n the funni thing is how do we no none of you r criminals mickin these 2 twins in my opinion u lot r pathetic to judge some1 u dont even no keep ur noses out eh

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billy, lancaster says...
1:13pm Wed 8 Aug 07

Jack Harkness wrote:
Well, strike me dead - never saw that coming did we? These little yobs getting away scot free because they have a previously undetected illness ie \'autism\'. Sorry, pathetic excuse for out of control louts, probably with parents who are so stoned, drunk or just plain uncivilized as to take responsibility for them so we, the rest of society, have to instead. Earlier I witnessed kids around the age of three/four ... the language they came out with was utterly vile. Most adults don\'t even come out with that vomit called speach issuing from their mouths. So, where does anyone think they get it from? At home, where else! And suddenly, in the space of a matter of weeks they are astonishingly fast tracked through the NHS so fast they now have suspected autism?? Yeah, right I also believe vampires are real, too and pixies. Not even parents who legitimately have children with autism get help that quickly; IF at all via LHA\'s. These kids made other peoples lives hell - I don\'t have any sympathy with them. Not when so many people in our communities are put daily through the same thing by the little thugs. It was once blamed on E numbers ... I would just like to thank that defending solicitor for allowing two more youths back out on our streets ... Oh, it wasn\'t me, guv - it was the illness made me do it! Give me strength!! Next we\'ll see murderers, child molesters let out because they have schizophrenia and it was the \'illness made them do it\' but funny how they never suffered with it BEFORE they were in court? Makes me utterly sick! Lock these twins up, get them the HELL away from the rest of humanity, preferably along with their deadbeat parents who wouldn\'t know how to raise a child if it hit them in the head!

i dont think its fair you judge them in this manner

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miss ?, lancs says...
1:18pm Wed 8 Aug 07

the twins are just bad behaved, they always have been and they always will be. they enjoy terrorising people!! lock them up!!

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anoymous, lancs says...
2:06pm Wed 8 Aug 07

i am absoluted disgusted by most of these comments i live on the sameestate as these twins and never once av they terrorist the estate ye they av there moments n arguments but terrorist! give me strengh n miss? from lancs do u no them i think its a disgrace that everybody is gettin involved i sympathise with the twins n defenitly there mum people seem to think all teenagers are tearaways trust me these girls arent that bad they jus av a issue with one neigbour who cant get on wit her own life so in my eyes dont judge a book by its cover !!!!

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TINA LYNCH, Rossendale says...
8:10pm Mon 13 Aug 07

Having read all the comments posted so far I feel I must respond as these two girls are my nieces. Firstly thank you to those who are understanding of their diagnosis but to those of you who believe they should be locked up...shame on you. Of course we all know that everything you read in the papers is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth therefore what they have been accused of must be true eh? What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? I hope none of your family ever get in to trouble with the police. As for their recent diagnosis and as a chairperson of a charity that supports people affected by autism can i kindly request that those of you who have basically said that there is no such thing then please do your research first before condeming the girls. Having worked with young offenders also I can tell you that many persistent offenders are also on the ASD spectrum but have gone undiagnosed. We all know kids that are constantly excluded from school and are classed as trouble makers these are the kids that usually have some underlying problem...it is not an excuse...please please do your research. If you have taken the time to write on the forum then take the time to look up ADHD and Autism and look at what the problems are. Can I also add that locking people up actually cost society more money than it would to give them the appropriate help and support they need to make positive contributions to society. As for blaming the parents I take that as a personal insult as my son is also autistic and he has had nothing but love and support as have the girls you are all so quick to condemn. Their mum is an upstanding member of the community and is a hardworking caring mother as everyone in the community will agree. She works hard and is not a 'druggy or a drunk' nor have the girls been deprived of her love and support. As for 'jumping the queue' to get a diagnosis, surely it is better to find a solution and get the girls appropriate help then to spend tax payers hard earned money on imprisonment which costs more. If many offenders were assessed like the girls the prisons wouldn't be so overcrowded as many would have similar diagnosis. If you want to blame anyone, blame the government who doesn't put enough into supporting people with special needs. The girls, although can be typical teenagers, are decent and loving and would not intentionally do anyone any harm. A final note is that the girls haven't been fasttracked through the Health Authority, they have had a private diagnosis. It amazes me how people can make comments like this on people with disorders (not illness as was previously posted)if they were from an ethnic minority..it would be you being locked up for racist comments..shouldn't the same be applied to disabilities?

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andy, says...
11:49pm Tue 14 Aug 07

so now they may be autistc,it was no more than 2 months ago when they had some other illness which made them behave like this when they drank alcohol,never mind if this one fails there is a really big book of illnesses to have a go at.
as for thei r auntie i do genuinely sympathise with you or anyone else who is dealing with this condition on a daily basis but i do have to ask you how often you have been there when they have terrorised their neighbours?
they may well be autistic but why is it that whenever these people behave like this they have to have an illness could it not be they are just nasty pieces of work who get off on upsetting people.
these twins behave this way because they have been allowed to get away with it for to long the girls and thier younger sister sammi think that getting an asbo is a joke .as for those people who have written to leave them alone come and live here and whilst your here you can also tell my 8 and 13 year old daughters that they have to put up with this because this week the twins are having an autistic moment .
when i was a kid if someone of 19 shouted abuse at someone of 8 and 13 they were bullies and that is all these two twins are.
so we have lived and been here every time they decide to have an episode and with no disrespect to their aunty you havent
and personaally i hope they never come back to edgeside.
i would like to say more but for the reasons of court i cant but after october i will.

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tina lynch, Rossendale says...
3:21pm Wed 15 Aug 07

I just want to respond again as I think that my comments are misunderstood. I am not saying that their behaviour is excused by this diagnosis but there are reasons behind it. I have cut and pasted something that explains the diagnosis.
Adults with ADHD describe a number of feelings and emotions that they find difficult to control and regulate. They feel restless most of the time and have difficulty sitting still even in situations that are calming or relaxing to most people. They experience multiple short-lived thoughts that are poorly focused and "on the go all the time". Some people liken this to "a vortex" or "spaghetti junction".

Mood problems are very common, with a constantly unstable mood that fluctuates up and down from moment to moment throughout the day. One person described swinging between the "fog" of a distracted mind and the "fire" of irritable and angry moods. Individuals with ADHD are frequently impatient, cannot wait for anything and become easily frustrated or irritated. As a consequence, they often avoid situations where they may have to wait their turn such as supermarket queues
These core symptoms of AD/HD frequently lead to associated problems and consequences that often co-exist with adult AD/HD. These may include:
Problems with self-control and regulating behaviour
Poor working memory
Poor time management, chronic lateness and poor time perception
Greater than normal variability in task or work performance
Poor perseverance
Difficulties regulating emotions, motivation and arousal
Easily bored
Low self-esteem
Anxiety
Depression
Mood swings
Employment difficulties
Relationship problems
Substance abuse
Risk-taking behaviours
The impact that these difficulties have on the individuals daily life (academic, social and Vocational) can range from mild to severe.
I hope this makes things a little clearer.
The upshot of it is that they have no ability to understand the consequences of their behaviour...we take things like that for granted but they need professional help to learn those skills. I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS AN EXCUSE...JUST THEY NEED HELP which they will now get having a diagnosis.

I just want to respond again as I think that my comments are misunderstood. I am not saying that their behaviour is excused by this diagnosis but there are reasons behind it. I have cut and pasted something that explains the diagnosis. Adults with ADHD describe a number of feelings and emotions that they find difficult to control and regulate. They feel restless most of the time and have difficulty sitting still even in situations that are calming or relaxing to most people. They experience multiple short-lived thoughts that are poorly focused and "on the go all the time". Some people liken this to "a vortex" or "spaghetti junction". Mood problems are very common, with a constantly unstable mood that fluctuates up and down from moment to moment throughout the day. One person described swinging between the "fog" of a distracted mind and the "fire" of irritable and angry moods. Individuals with ADHD are frequently impatient, cannot wait for anything and become easily frustrated or irritated. As a consequence, they often avoid situations where they may have to wait their turn such as supermarket queues These core symptoms of AD/HD frequently lead to associated problems and consequences that often co-exist with adult AD/HD. These may include: Problems with self-control and regulating behaviour Poor working memory Poor time management, chronic lateness and poor time perception Greater than normal variability in task or work performance Poor perseverance Difficulties regulating emotions, motivation and arousal Easily bored Low self-esteem Anxiety Depression Mood swings Employment difficulties Relationship problems Substance abuse Risk-taking behaviours The impact that these difficulties have on the individuals daily life (academic, social and Vocational) can range from mild to severe. I hope this makes things a little clearer. The upshot of it is that they have no ability to understand the consequences of their behaviour...we take things like that for granted but they need professional help to learn those skills. I AM NOT SAYING THIS IS AN EXCUSE...JUST THEY NEED HELP which they will now get having a diagnosis.

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anomynous, edgeside says...
3:09pm Thu 16 Aug 07

andy wrote:
so now they may be autistc,it was no more than 2 months ago when they had some other illness which made them behave like this when they drank alcohol,never mind if this one fails there is a really big book of illnesses to have a go at. as for thei r auntie i do genuinely sympathise with you or anyone else who is dealing with this condition on a daily basis but i do have to ask you how often you have been there when they have terrorised their neighbours? they may well be autistic but why is it that whenever these people behave like this they have to have an illness could it not be they are just nasty pieces of work who get off on upsetting people. these twins behave this way because they have been allowed to get away with it for to long the girls and thier younger sister sammi think that getting an asbo is a joke .as for those people who have written to leave them alone come and live here and whilst your here you can also tell my 8 and 13 year old daughters that they have to put up with this because this week the twins are having an autistic moment . when i was a kid if someone of 19 shouted abuse at someone of 8 and 13 they were bullies and that is all these two twins are. so we have lived and been here every time they decide to have an episode and with no disrespect to their aunty you havent and personaally i hope they never come back to edgeside. i would like to say more but for the reasons of court i cant but after october i will.

get a life andy u no u have never bin there wen there av bin disterbencies hav u its ur wife who needs lookin at n why involve their younger sister say wot u want av u ever thought ur wife may jus be gettin ur daughters to say things personally i think u shud jus get on with ur own life because after october we will see who as there say THE TWINS wen they can finally tell every1 the truth behind a silly little feud between ur n their family eh ask the rest of neighbours who r behind them they r not terrorist as 4 me i live on the same street its u with the problem well ur wife surelly if they terroristed all neighbours wunt i be complainin n the rest who av backed them up jus take a long hard luk at urself n ur family n stop draggin every1 else family down after all there only words u write "sticks n stones" one final note the girls only problem is u n ur family in my eyes u n ur wife r bullies so put that on a plate n eat it.

[quote][bold]andy[/bold] wrote: so now they may be autistc,it was no more than 2 months ago when they had some other illness which made them behave like this when they drank alcohol,never mind if this one fails there is a really big book of illnesses to have a go at. as for thei r auntie i do genuinely sympathise with you or anyone else who is dealing with this condition on a daily basis but i do have to ask you how often you have been there when they have terrorised their neighbours? they may well be autistic but why is it that whenever these people behave like this they have to have an illness could it not be they are just nasty pieces of work who get off on upsetting people. these twins behave this way because they have been allowed to get away with it for to long the girls and thier younger sister sammi think that getting an asbo is a joke [see above comment from sammi].as for those people who have written to leave them alone come and live here and whilst your here you can also tell my 8 and 13 year old daughters that they have to put up with this because this week the twins are having an autistic moment . when i was a kid if someone of 19 shouted abuse at someone of 8 and 13 they were bullies and that is all these two twins are. so we have lived and been here every time they decide to have an episode and with no disrespect to their aunty you havent and personaally i hope they never come back to edgeside. i would like to say more but for the reasons of court i cant but after october i will. [/quote] get a life andy u no u have never bin there wen there av bin disterbencies hav u its ur wife who needs lookin at n why involve their younger sister say wot u want av u ever thought ur wife may jus be gettin ur daughters to say things personally i think u shud jus get on with ur own life because after october we will see who as there say THE TWINS wen they can finally tell every1 the truth behind a silly little feud between ur n their family eh ask the rest of neighbours who r behind them they r not terrorist as 4 me i live on the same street its u with the problem well ur wife surelly if they terroristed all neighbours wunt i be complainin n the rest who av backed them up jus take a long hard luk at urself n ur family n stop draggin every1 else family down after all there only words u write "sticks n stones" one final note the girls only problem is u n ur family in my eyes u n ur wife r bullies so put that on a plate n eat it.

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andy, across the road says...
4:40pm Thu 16 Aug 07

if you are going to be brave enough to sit ther and defend ashleigh and katie and have a go please put your name {not like we dont know who it is ]this is not a silly little feud and we are not the only ones who have had enough of your stupid,pathetic immature behaviour as if hiding behind an illness is something good.you know we are not the only ones and please try and remember you are not alowed nto contact a prosecution witness.

all we want is for our kids to be able to go out and not get a rake of abuse because two stupid girls have decided to chew a beer mat.and if we were bullies surely we would be the ones in court would you like to compare arrest records

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dean robertson, edgeside says...
5:43pm Thu 16 Aug 07

actually anomoynous to andy is dean do u really think that they be that stupid to contact u although im not actually contactin u im statin my point like every1 else on this page sorry if u thought i was contactin u dont get that i idea n im not embarresed about standin up 4 the twins bcoz i no the truth im afraid. to every1 else who backed em up well done n tina i think ur rite well all see wen we go court. by the way im one off the twins boyfriends please dont reply.

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andy, says...
11:33pm Thu 16 Aug 07

ok i wont
but what i will say is fair play to you for standing by them, i dont want this to become a tit for tat excercise.

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stuart, waterfoot says...
4:04pm Sat 18 Aug 07

ian g absoloutely clueless they r far from scum seems 2 me there r a few like u on here 2 its a poor do when u get locked up 4 a bit of a row but u will all see soon enough and i know they rnt scum cause ive known them all my life they r my sisters and as 4 jack harkness my mother is not a deadbeat druggie and never has been so keep coments like that 2 yourself

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tony, harle syke says...
8:44pm Sun 19 Aug 07

LOCKED UP AGAIN

REALLY WELL BEHAVED

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jenny, rossendale says...
10:40pm Sun 19 Aug 07

well now theres a surprise
i guess the supporters will blame andys wife for this one think i might go to court to back andys wife up
cos it seems to me that they just cant avoid trouble either that or they just like men in uniform
but it looks to me like they are proving there supporters wrong .
there parents must be ever so proud!!!!!!!!!!

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andys wife, edgeside says...
3:14pm Mon 20 Aug 07

just a little note of thanks to jenny

thankyou

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daniella, harle syke says...
7:22pm Mon 20 Aug 07

i live in harle syke and i saw the twins on sunday so how can they have been arrested i think ill go to court and stand up for the twins i dont know them my self but i have seem them around and andys wife do you even know them you all just seem jelouse stop interfering with them and let them live there lifes its not fair on them or their parents!!!!!!!!

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andy, edgeside says...
9:44pm Mon 20 Aug 07

daniella you see the thing is we know they were locked up until 10 this morning when they had to go to court as im sure will be in the paper sometime this week so all i can say is you have either got a good imagination or extremeley good eyesight

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debbie, nelson says...
5:42pm Tue 21 Aug 07

can i jus say i think all this is pathetic one of the sides write one thing the other another also ive not seen anything in the paper so how do u no andy can i ask were u get this inside inmformation from id love to no all off u get a grip n stop havin tit 4 tat arguments on the internet as for the twins avin ASD i woudnt take the mick it can be classed as discrimination jus be carefull both parties just a warning ok

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tony, says...
8:55pm Tue 21 Aug 07

so can not allowing people to live in peace

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Dean Manley, Edmonton says...
12:32am Mon 27 Aug 07

Well they didn't do worse then I did I was in trouble with the police and allsorts. the thing with me is I know how to outsmart the pigs.

these girls probably made a couple of mistakes but i know they wouldn't even do anything like that again cause they know they learned a valuable lesson from it really. this is from a guy who was in the same position as the girls.

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G3mma, Rawtenstall says...
12:38am Mon 27 Aug 07

Omg Katy And Ashleigh tut tut tut lol bad girls all those people who said these twins are nuisences are wrong especially the amount off people who are writing there comment who dont even no the girls i think unless you have atchully met the twins and have spoken to them yo cannot saying anything i have met them and thats why i am putting this and the amount off people on here all talking absolute rubbish shame on you !!!!! shame on you all

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Dean Manley, Edmonton says...
1:52pm Mon 27 Aug 07

I actually agree with Gemma above on that comment. these people can't judge them cause of what they did. if you knew them properly you know these girls are not really that bad even though most of you people who wrote these comments about them have probably have done something bad as well. so don't go round judging people by their cover.

katie and ashleigh have made terrible mistakes but i know they are gonna put that all behind them.

i chat to katy sometimes on msn when she comes online and shes a nice girl. very friendly. i never think shes capable of something like that anyway.

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jon, rawtenstall says...
1:53pm Mon 27 Aug 07

to gemma
think you need to learn how to spell and if you had met them you wouldnt feel sorry for them

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Gemma, rossendale says...
5:53pm Mon 27 Aug 07

Jon yes i have met them and they are great girls and how dare you tell me i cant spell untill you have met me !!!!

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Gemma, rossendale says...
5:58pm Mon 27 Aug 07

And thnx 2 dean by the way u no me when i was at sarahs how yah doiin there are some stupied ppl on here e.g. ooh and by the way JON the way i write is called slang get a dictionary if you dont no what that means

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gemma, waterfoot says...
6:05pm Mon 27 Aug 07

Sorry dean your the wrong dean i no lol

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anon, waterfoot bacup rawtenstall the moon says...
12:59am Tue 28 Aug 07

gemma where exactly are you from cos you dont seem to be able to make your mind up??????????????????
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kelly, rossendale says...
11:29am Tue 28 Aug 07

waterfoot is in rossendale why is it on every comment boared on this internet there seems to be people pickin at people ???????

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Diane, Rawtenstall says...
1:57pm Tue 28 Aug 07

A little reality for those making derogatory comments on here about the twins, their family and their upbringing etc. I'm not going to speculate on behaviour and whether or not it is linked to illness because I'm not a specialist or a doctor and I dare say neither are any of you!

But the one thing I can clearly state is that I have known the family for many years and ok I haven't been in touch for quite some time due to having my own family etc but I do know they have been brought up by a mum who is a wonderful lady and has given constant support, love and stability throughout.

Ask yourself this, If tomorrow YOUR friend or relative makes a wrong decision or behaves inappropriately are you going to be here again making the same comments about them or will you be brushing it under the carpet and hoping no-one finds out?

What exactly are you people expecting to achieve with your mud slinging and judgement?

Don't you think the family is going through enough turmoil right now without all this?

I say let the right people deal with the twins and give them the help they need and in the meantime, leave the family be!!

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Gemma, rawtenstall says...
2:53pm Tue 28 Aug 07

Anon i am frm Rawtenstall but ma dad lives in waterfoot and i was there wen i worte tht comment whats it got to do with u where i live anyway ?????

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Carly Phillips, America says...
10:11pm Mon 5 May 08

You know alot of you obviously have no understanding of behavioral problems or mental illness. I know 3 people who are autistic. 2 are in my own family. Would I dare think its THEIR FAULT they have this condition and so lets judge them. If my brother or nephew were to do an actual wrong as my oldest brother with autistism is a capable of knowing what right and wrong is- sure he would get the result of doing that wrong. But to blame my parents if he is loud sometimes, sometimes overexcited about something? NO. Its not their fault. I have a good set of parents, who have been there for all my siblings equally. Most of you lot just dont get it. You think normal is all there is to be and cant fathom anyone being anything else. Grow up and see others in their shoes. I live next door to a autistic young man. He is loud, he does drive me nuts, and yes wish he or us would be moving soon, but until then- I have tolerance. Learn some why dont you!

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