Bolton victims told: 'Solve your own crimes'

Bolton victims told: 'Solve your own crimes'

Bolton victims told: 'Solve your own crimes'

Stolen bike

Sir Peter Fahy

First published in News This Is Lancashire: Photograph of the Author by , reporter

VICTIMS of crime in Bolton are being asked to turn detective to solve their own cases.

A cyclist from Astley Bridge was asked to scour the internet to see if he could see his stolen bike for sale — while another man had his bank card taken and was told to go to the shops where it had been used and ask for CCTV footage.

Police and crime commissioner Tony Lloyd said a report from Her Majesty’s Inspectorate Constabulary (HMIC) — which backs up the Bolton cases — highlighted “serious areas of concerns”.

He said victims must come first and that police should always respond to reports of a crime. He also criticised “savage” government cuts which have reduced the number of officers at the GMP’s disposal.

Alan Mulraney was told by police to log on to websites Gumtree and Ebay to see if he could find his £500 red Aggressor bike after it was stolen outside a doctor’s surgery in Astley Bridge.

However, the 46-year-old was not critical of the police’s DIY detective advice.

He said: “I could not believe it when I came out. They had just sawed through a £40 lock.

“I use this bike to go everywhere and I spent ever such a lot of money on it. I’m gutted.

“There were plenty of people coming in and out at that time and I can only have been in there 15 minutes.”

“The police have been very good. They have been more than helpful.

“They rang me back when they said they would and were very sympathetic and gave me some advice.

“They say they will come round and have a chat with me about it and go back to the doctor’s surgery to look at the CCTV."

A police spokesman said officers were called to Waters Meeting Health Centre at 11.30am on Wednesday. No arrests have yet been made.

Mr Mulraney came into The Bolton News office on the day of the theft to launch his own appeal for information.

The thief is described as being about six feet tall and dressed in black at the time of the incident.

The raid was carried out at a busy time for the surgery, so Mr Mulraney is confident somebody might have seen the assailant.

James Dewhurst is another victim who has been asked to solve his own case.

He wrote on The Bolton News’ Facebook page: “I had my bank card stolen and used in the shops. I was told to go to the shops and ask them do they have CCTV as they were off for the weekend.”

HMIC said Greater Manchester Police has been sending PCSOs out to investigate crimes on their own, with the report questioning whether they have the skills required.

Chief constable Sir Peter Fahy described the force’s PCSOs as a “vital part of policing” and stressed that HMIC has rated GMP’s plans to deal with cuts as “outstanding”.

He said: “In certain cases, for crimes such as burglary of dwellings, there was clear evidence of investigation and supervision.

“However, for other offences, such as theft from a motor vehicle, many of which were not attended, some cases were found to have little evidence of meaningful investigation or supervision.

“HMIC identified some examples of victims calling to report crimes and being asked to conduct local enquiries in relation to their own crimes in lieu of a police officer attending.”

Mr Lloyd added: “I want to make sure that the police carry out an appropriate investigation when crime is reported. I firmly stand by my commitment to put victims first and when crime is reported the police must respond.”

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3:04pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Chrome1 says...

On that guy who has been charged with hitting that bloke in Walkden; he doesn't sound very Asian. Come on, where are all the racists now baying for Asian blood?
On that guy who has been charged with hitting that bloke in Walkden; he doesn't sound very Asian. Come on, where are all the racists now baying for Asian blood? Chrome1
  • Score: -8

4:21pm Fri 5 Sep 14

Gore Seer says...

I Thought That we Could Become Vigilantes Now Certain Criminals Are Exposed In The Media, Certain Vigilanty Crimes The Police Turn A Blind Eye To, But The Police Wont Admit To The Blind Eye.
I Thought That we Could Become Vigilantes Now Certain Criminals Are Exposed In The Media, Certain Vigilanty Crimes The Police Turn A Blind Eye To, But The Police Wont Admit To The Blind Eye. Gore Seer
  • Score: 5

9:26pm Fri 5 Sep 14

guesty86 says...

Fair enough, so if i spent my time "investigating" a crime that happened against me, can i also take out the punishment that i decide is adequate for the crime??
Fair enough, so if i spent my time "investigating" a crime that happened against me, can i also take out the punishment that i decide is adequate for the crime?? guesty86
  • Score: 10

2:26am Sat 6 Sep 14

Jonny Folder says...

So which is it? I do take the law into my own hands or I don't? I think they're basically saying we should do all the leg work in finding out who has committed the crime against us, then they will decide if they make an arrest or not. There are many problems with that logic. One being; we're not all natural or professional investigators. Another being; if certain people find out who has wronged them before the police do they might want to take action themselves (bang some heads against some walls). The idea of law and order is supposed to be to prevent these types of incidents isn't it? I understand that some people might report very silly things and there's lots of tediousness involved in police work, but if that's the case, then maybe they should get tougher on wasting police time. And maybe, just maybe, they should stop sending the choppers and BMW's out every five minutes and try instead to afford more bodies on the ground. They spend stupid amounts of money on catching some of these criminals then throw a **** curfew at them. Come on.
So which is it? I do take the law into my own hands or I don't? I think they're basically saying we should do all the leg work in finding out who has committed the crime against us, then they will decide if they make an arrest or not. There are many problems with that logic. One being; we're not all natural or professional investigators. Another being; if certain people find out who has wronged them before the police do they might want to take action themselves (bang some heads against some walls). The idea of law and order is supposed to be to prevent these types of incidents isn't it? I understand that some people might report very silly things and there's lots of tediousness involved in police work, but if that's the case, then maybe they should get tougher on wasting police time. And maybe, just maybe, they should stop sending the choppers and BMW's out every five minutes and try instead to afford more bodies on the ground. They spend stupid amounts of money on catching some of these criminals then throw a **** curfew at them. Come on. Jonny Folder
  • Score: 4

11:23am Sat 6 Sep 14

mrs philainsy says...

VICTIMS of crime in Bolton are being asked to turn detective to solve their own cases.



I watch all the USA Cops Reloaded programmes!!!
I fancy myself as a Miss Marple-come-Las Vegas County Sheriff.

The next time my Postman drops a bunch of those irratating elastic bands on my path, and doesn't pick them up.....I'll have him.

I'll make him "Assume the Position" on my Nissan Micra, and search him for evidence.
"Five Fingers on the Fender Boy - Your'e Nicked".
Cant Wait. :-)
VICTIMS of crime in Bolton are being asked to turn detective to solve their own cases. I watch all the USA Cops Reloaded programmes!!! I fancy myself as a Miss Marple-come-Las Vegas County Sheriff. The next time my Postman drops a bunch of those irratating elastic bands on my path, and doesn't pick them up.....I'll have him. I'll make him "Assume the Position" on my Nissan Micra, and search him for evidence. "Five Fingers on the Fender Boy - Your'e Nicked". Cant Wait. :-) mrs philainsy
  • Score: 1

12:01pm Sat 6 Sep 14

united99 says...

Chrome1 wrote:
On that guy who has been charged with hitting that bloke in Walkden; he doesn't sound very Asian. Come on, where are all the racists now baying for Asian blood?
Hang on fire he could well be an Indian Matthew lol
What about all the others who gave statements on here saying they to have been the victims of an attack by an Asian man in a black BMW in walkden - never believe anything on here now.
[quote][p][bold]Chrome1[/bold] wrote: On that guy who has been charged with hitting that bloke in Walkden; he doesn't sound very Asian. Come on, where are all the racists now baying for Asian blood?[/p][/quote]Hang on fire he could well be an Indian Matthew lol What about all the others who gave statements on here saying they to have been the victims of an attack by an Asian man in a black BMW in walkden - never believe anything on here now. united99
  • Score: -2

5:42pm Sat 6 Sep 14

mr.mark.c says...

A window was broken on my car, I called the police and they never turned up, I found a mobile phone in my car and assumed it was my wifes (it was not) I tracked the guy down and again called the police, this time they came and took the phone, gave the guy a caution and told me that I was not allowed to contact him or I would be arrested !?!?, also if I wanted paying for the damage I should do so through the small claims court.
So much for justice huh
A window was broken on my car, I called the police and they never turned up, I found a mobile phone in my car and assumed it was my wifes (it was not) I tracked the guy down and again called the police, this time they came and took the phone, gave the guy a caution and told me that I was not allowed to contact him or I would be arrested !?!?, also if I wanted paying for the damage I should do so through the small claims court. So much for justice huh mr.mark.c
  • Score: 3

3:26pm Sun 7 Sep 14

Gore Seer says...

Gore Seer wrote:
I Thought That we Could Become Vigilantes Now Certain Criminals Are Exposed In The Media, Certain Vigilanty Crimes The Police Turn A Blind Eye To, But The Police Wont Admit To The Blind Eye.
Can We Use The Constitutional Laws To Tool Are Selves Up, For Self Protection.
[quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: I Thought That we Could Become Vigilantes Now Certain Criminals Are Exposed In The Media, Certain Vigilanty Crimes The Police Turn A Blind Eye To, But The Police Wont Admit To The Blind Eye.[/p][/quote]Can We Use The Constitutional Laws To Tool Are Selves Up, For Self Protection. Gore Seer
  • Score: 2

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