£5m Blackburn school could leave ones nearby devastated, says education boss

How the new school could look

How the new school could look

First published in News This Is Lancashire: Photograph of the Author by , Local government reporter

A TEACHING union boss fears the £5million new 630-pupil Olive Primary could have a ‘devastating effect’ on other local junior and infant schools.

The Tauheedul Trust has applied for permission to construct the complex on Meins Road in Beardwood, next to its high-flying girls academy.

It proposes to move the Islamic faith school from its home in Bicknell Street, where it has 240 children in three year groups, in January 2016.

The new two-storey building will expand its intake to house 630 pupils in seven groups.

The National Union of Teachers’ Blackburn branch secretary Simon Jones said: “The school has already damaged four primary schools near its existing site, including Cedars, of which I am a governor.

“It will have a similar devastating effect on primaries near the new site. The damage has already been done.

“I am opposed to free schools and moving the Olive will not change that.

“They create chaos for other schools and make planning impossible.”

Beardwood with Lammack ward councillor Mike Lee expressed concerns over parking and traffic congestion.

The borough Tory group leader said: “If the educational achievements are as good as the Tauheedul Girls’ High School, then that is good news for the education of borough children.

“I just hope to will take children from all parts of the community.

“They need to sort out the traffic and parking with the girls high school on the site and Westholme nearby, “There is also the impact on local schools to consider although I think they will take pupils from all the town.”

Tauheedul Trust chief executive Hamid Patel believes the new school will ‘offer an even better learning experience and create a new hub at the heart of the local community.’ The trust’s attempt to move its boys high school to the former YMCA building on Clarence Street was dropped after failing to get planning permission over traffic and parking concerns.

The new primary will use unoccupied playing areas of the former Beardwood High School and will be transferred from Blackburn with Darwen council ownership for free under government legislation.

It will have 12 classrooms and 55 car parking spaces on site.

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2:02pm Thu 28 Aug 14

HenningBerg-er says...

And the whole debate on the back of yesterday's story starts again..

Shall I just save everybody the time and aggro?

Some people will say Tauheedul offers the best education around.
Others will say Faith Schools are divisive.
Some will say people of other faiths should do more to integrate and send their children to these excellent schools.

And of course, there'll be those comments that criticise Islam, Muslims and Asians. Some will be justified, others won't.
And the whole debate on the back of yesterday's story starts again.. Shall I just save everybody the time and aggro? Some people will say Tauheedul offers the best education around. Others will say Faith Schools are divisive. Some will say people of other faiths should do more to integrate and send their children to these excellent schools. And of course, there'll be those comments that criticise Islam, Muslims and Asians. Some will be justified, others won't. HenningBerg-er
  • Score: 12

2:05pm Thu 28 Aug 14

HenningBerg-er says...

HenningBerg-er wrote:
And the whole debate on the back of yesterday's story starts again..

Shall I just save everybody the time and aggro?

Some people will say Tauheedul offers the best education around.
Others will say Faith Schools are divisive.
Some will say people of other faiths should do more to integrate and send their children to these excellent schools.

And of course, there'll be those comments that criticise Islam, Muslims and Asians. Some will be justified, others won't.
Let's move on to the next story...
[quote][p][bold]HenningBerg-er[/bold] wrote: And the whole debate on the back of yesterday's story starts again.. Shall I just save everybody the time and aggro? Some people will say Tauheedul offers the best education around. Others will say Faith Schools are divisive. Some will say people of other faiths should do more to integrate and send their children to these excellent schools. And of course, there'll be those comments that criticise Islam, Muslims and Asians. Some will be justified, others won't.[/p][/quote]Let's move on to the next story... HenningBerg-er
  • Score: 7

3:58pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Freddy the Reddy says...

“There is also the impact on local schools to consider although I think they will take pupils from all the town.”

Shame the powers that be didn't consider the impact on local schools before it was set up in the first place.
“There is also the impact on local schools to consider although I think they will take pupils from all the town.” Shame the powers that be didn't consider the impact on local schools before it was set up in the first place. Freddy the Reddy
  • Score: 2

4:01pm Thu 28 Aug 14

doggydog says...

its all about division this!
its all about division this! doggydog
  • Score: 22

4:07pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Reality50 says...

All faith schools should be shut down especially Islamic ones. Integration not separation.
All faith schools should be shut down especially Islamic ones. Integration not separation. Reality50
  • Score: 22

4:27pm Thu 28 Aug 14

EDL make me laugh says...

Yeah mix schools is the way forward
Having faith schools doesn't help. The need to mix is far greater
Yeah mix schools is the way forward Having faith schools doesn't help. The need to mix is far greater EDL make me laugh
  • Score: 26

4:33pm Thu 28 Aug 14

burner says...

TRAFFIC !!!
TRAFFIC !!! burner
  • Score: 14

5:32pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Clogger2 says...

Has anyone from the town hall seen the chaos the four schools cause with traffic congestion twice a day. 16 westholme buses and cars waiting on yellow lines. Someone will get killed one day.
Has anyone from the town hall seen the chaos the four schools cause with traffic congestion twice a day. 16 westholme buses and cars waiting on yellow lines. Someone will get killed one day. Clogger2
  • Score: 20

5:45pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Excluded again says...

Freddy the Reddy wrote:
“There is also the impact on local schools to consider although I think they will take pupils from all the town.”

Shame the powers that be didn't consider the impact on local schools before it was set up in the first place.
The local powers that be have had all their powers to plan schools removed by the coalition government. Applications for free schools go direct to central government. Local councils have no more say on whether a school opens in their area than they do on whether it rains tomorrow.
[quote][p][bold]Freddy the Reddy[/bold] wrote: “There is also the impact on local schools to consider although I think they will take pupils from all the town.” Shame the powers that be didn't consider the impact on local schools before it was set up in the first place.[/p][/quote]The local powers that be have had all their powers to plan schools removed by the coalition government. Applications for free schools go direct to central government. Local councils have no more say on whether a school opens in their area than they do on whether it rains tomorrow. Excluded again
  • Score: 10

6:17pm Thu 28 Aug 14

johnley says...

Kick religion out of all schools, Schools are for learning, not brain washing. If you have a calling to any particular faith, then follow your heart in your own time, and stop this force fed rubbish on others, that don't be-leave in what is being drummed into them. Let the kids just grow up together, and maybe in 30years time we might have unity and tolerance and a descent football team.
Kick religion out of all schools, Schools are for learning, not brain washing. If you have a calling to any particular faith, then follow your heart in your own time, and stop this force fed rubbish on others, that don't be-leave in what is being drummed into them. Let the kids just grow up together, and maybe in 30years time we might have unity and tolerance and a descent football team. johnley
  • Score: 22

6:45pm Thu 28 Aug 14

MHGBUK says...

No more to say other than this town and many more in the UK are contributing to our own demise
No more to say other than this town and many more in the UK are contributing to our own demise MHGBUK
  • Score: 8

8:03pm Thu 28 Aug 14

salvadore says...

I have no problem with the school being situated where it will be. Neither do I have a problem with Islamic schools. I'm afraid the union rep. is worried that his under performing school will be shut down as parents will find an alternative to the dross being taught in these schools. Yes we should have integration but also patents have a right to choose where they send their where ever they want. The choice they make is to send them to an Islamic school so let it be.
I have no problem with the school being situated where it will be. Neither do I have a problem with Islamic schools. I'm afraid the union rep. is worried that his under performing school will be shut down as parents will find an alternative to the dross being taught in these schools. Yes we should have integration but also patents have a right to choose where they send their where ever they want. The choice they make is to send them to an Islamic school so let it be. salvadore
  • Score: 2

10:39pm Thu 28 Aug 14

doggydog says...

salvadore wrote:
I have no problem with the school being situated where it will be. Neither do I have a problem with Islamic schools. I'm afraid the union rep. is worried that his under performing school will be shut down as parents will find an alternative to the dross being taught in these schools. Yes we should have integration but also patents have a right to choose where they send their where ever they want. The choice they make is to send them to an Islamic school so let it be.
not supposed to be islamic is it? I am sure the word "free" is in the title? or am i wrong? No your right! It will be islamic
[quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: I have no problem with the school being situated where it will be. Neither do I have a problem with Islamic schools. I'm afraid the union rep. is worried that his under performing school will be shut down as parents will find an alternative to the dross being taught in these schools. Yes we should have integration but also patents have a right to choose where they send their where ever they want. The choice they make is to send them to an Islamic school so let it be.[/p][/quote]not supposed to be islamic is it? I am sure the word "free" is in the title? or am i wrong? No your right! It will be islamic doggydog
  • Score: 4

10:50pm Thu 28 Aug 14

johnnyb*! says...

It seems that anything the Tauheedul set up does is divisive, promoting/forcing the Islamic faith down peoples throats. Where is the integration. Children learn integration better when they are younger but the islamic faith schools don't promote that, the only time they integrate is when the islamic brainwashing has run its course then its too late. Unfortunately the education bosses don't see this, we need to promote racial harmony not intolerance, and the effects on the surrounding schools will be terminal. The idea for the new islamic faith school should be scrapped now before its too late.
It seems that anything the Tauheedul set up does is divisive, promoting/forcing the Islamic faith down peoples throats. Where is the integration. Children learn integration better when they are younger but the islamic faith schools don't promote that, the only time they integrate is when the islamic brainwashing has run its course then its too late. Unfortunately the education bosses don't see this, we need to promote racial harmony not intolerance, and the effects on the surrounding schools will be terminal. The idea for the new islamic faith school should be scrapped now before its too late. johnnyb*!
  • Score: 15

12:02am Fri 29 Aug 14

roverstid says...

johnnyb*! wrote:
It seems that anything the Tauheedul set up does is divisive, promoting/forcing the Islamic faith down peoples throats. Where is the integration. Children learn integration better when they are younger but the islamic faith schools don't promote that, the only time they integrate is when the islamic brainwashing has run its course then its too late. Unfortunately the education bosses don't see this, we need to promote racial harmony not intolerance, and the effects on the surrounding schools will be terminal. The idea for the new islamic faith school should be scrapped now before its too late.
As I said yesterday, maybe there needs to be "Positive discrimination" quotas applied to this school to encourage more integration and give non-muslim children to benefit from this education which apparently to its champions, is better than the non-Islamic schools.

At least that way students could report themselves of any forced Islamic values which the 'emergency ofsted report' apparently has discredited like not clapping etc.

If it is above reproach, the best way to ensure that is to do what this country has done for BME's and women for years by using positive discrimination to get more minorities into positions.

In this case, the non-muslim are the minority and if all things be equal - should enjoy the same privileges?
[quote][p][bold]johnnyb*![/bold] wrote: It seems that anything the Tauheedul set up does is divisive, promoting/forcing the Islamic faith down peoples throats. Where is the integration. Children learn integration better when they are younger but the islamic faith schools don't promote that, the only time they integrate is when the islamic brainwashing has run its course then its too late. Unfortunately the education bosses don't see this, we need to promote racial harmony not intolerance, and the effects on the surrounding schools will be terminal. The idea for the new islamic faith school should be scrapped now before its too late.[/p][/quote]As I said yesterday, maybe there needs to be "Positive discrimination" quotas applied to this school to encourage more integration and give non-muslim children to benefit from this education which apparently to its champions, is better than the non-Islamic schools. At least that way students could report themselves of any forced Islamic values which the 'emergency ofsted report' apparently has discredited like not clapping etc. If it is above reproach, the best way to ensure that is to do what this country has done for BME's and women for years by using positive discrimination to get more minorities into positions. In this case, the non-muslim are the minority and if all things be equal - should enjoy the same privileges? roverstid
  • Score: 2

12:50am Fri 29 Aug 14

salvadore says...

roverstid wrote:
johnnyb*! wrote:
It seems that anything the Tauheedul set up does is divisive, promoting/forcing the Islamic faith down peoples throats. Where is the integration. Children learn integration better when they are younger but the islamic faith schools don't promote that, the only time they integrate is when the islamic brainwashing has run its course then its too late. Unfortunately the education bosses don't see this, we need to promote racial harmony not intolerance, and the effects on the surrounding schools will be terminal. The idea for the new islamic faith school should be scrapped now before its too late.
As I said yesterday, maybe there needs to be "Positive discrimination" quotas applied to this school to encourage more integration and give non-muslim children to benefit from this education which apparently to its champions, is better than the non-Islamic schools.

At least that way students could report themselves of any forced Islamic values which the 'emergency ofsted report' apparently has discredited like not clapping etc.

If it is above reproach, the best way to ensure that is to do what this country has done for BME's and women for years by using positive discrimination to get more minorities into positions.

In this case, the non-muslim are the minority and if all things be equal - should enjoy the same privileges?
So why not think of positive quotas for catholic and c of e schools. Who for decades has been cheery picking the best Christian children for themselves. Non Christians didn't even get a look in, ah I see you only have a problem with Muslim schools. Christian don't brainwash their kids do they not you are bothered about thousands of Jewish kids attending illegal unregistered schools. They are taught to be suspicious about Britain. Not clapping is not illegal, there's other ways to show appreciation.
[quote][p][bold]roverstid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnyb*![/bold] wrote: It seems that anything the Tauheedul set up does is divisive, promoting/forcing the Islamic faith down peoples throats. Where is the integration. Children learn integration better when they are younger but the islamic faith schools don't promote that, the only time they integrate is when the islamic brainwashing has run its course then its too late. Unfortunately the education bosses don't see this, we need to promote racial harmony not intolerance, and the effects on the surrounding schools will be terminal. The idea for the new islamic faith school should be scrapped now before its too late.[/p][/quote]As I said yesterday, maybe there needs to be "Positive discrimination" quotas applied to this school to encourage more integration and give non-muslim children to benefit from this education which apparently to its champions, is better than the non-Islamic schools. At least that way students could report themselves of any forced Islamic values which the 'emergency ofsted report' apparently has discredited like not clapping etc. If it is above reproach, the best way to ensure that is to do what this country has done for BME's and women for years by using positive discrimination to get more minorities into positions. In this case, the non-muslim are the minority and if all things be equal - should enjoy the same privileges?[/p][/quote]So why not think of positive quotas for catholic and c of e schools. Who for decades has been cheery picking the best Christian children for themselves. Non Christians didn't even get a look in, ah I see you only have a problem with Muslim schools. Christian don't brainwash their kids do they not you are bothered about thousands of Jewish kids attending illegal unregistered schools. They are taught to be suspicious about Britain. Not clapping is not illegal, there's other ways to show appreciation. salvadore
  • Score: -4

12:54am Fri 29 Aug 14

salvadore says...

johnnyb*! wrote:
It seems that anything the Tauheedul set up does is divisive, promoting/forcing the Islamic faith down peoples throats. Where is the integration. Children learn integration better when they are younger but the islamic faith schools don't promote that, the only time they integrate is when the islamic brainwashing has run its course then its too late. Unfortunately the education bosses don't see this, we need to promote racial harmony not intolerance, and the effects on the surrounding schools will be terminal. The idea for the new islamic faith school should be scrapped now before its too late.
Give us an example of tauheedul trust forcing Islam down your throats. By opening an Islamic school is not forcing Islam down your throats. So tell me when and how this happen? Did they knock on your door and forced you to listen to them? Or maybe they followed you until you listened to them? Please share your experiences
[quote][p][bold]johnnyb*![/bold] wrote: It seems that anything the Tauheedul set up does is divisive, promoting/forcing the Islamic faith down peoples throats. Where is the integration. Children learn integration better when they are younger but the islamic faith schools don't promote that, the only time they integrate is when the islamic brainwashing has run its course then its too late. Unfortunately the education bosses don't see this, we need to promote racial harmony not intolerance, and the effects on the surrounding schools will be terminal. The idea for the new islamic faith school should be scrapped now before its too late.[/p][/quote]Give us an example of tauheedul trust forcing Islam down your throats. By opening an Islamic school is not forcing Islam down your throats. So tell me when and how this happen? Did they knock on your door and forced you to listen to them? Or maybe they followed you until you listened to them? Please share your experiences salvadore
  • Score: -1

2:48am Fri 29 Aug 14

Reality50 says...

roverstid wrote:
johnnyb*! wrote:
It seems that anything the Tauheedul set up does is divisive, promoting/forcing the Islamic faith down peoples throats. Where is the integration. Children learn integration better when they are younger but the islamic faith schools don't promote that, the only time they integrate is when the islamic brainwashing has run its course then its too late. Unfortunately the education bosses don't see this, we need to promote racial harmony not intolerance, and the effects on the surrounding schools will be terminal. The idea for the new islamic faith school should be scrapped now before its too late.
As I said yesterday, maybe there needs to be "Positive discrimination" quotas applied to this school to encourage more integration and give non-muslim children to benefit from this education which apparently to its champions, is better than the non-Islamic schools.

At least that way students could report themselves of any forced Islamic values which the 'emergency ofsted report' apparently has discredited like not clapping etc.

If it is above reproach, the best way to ensure that is to do what this country has done for BME's and women for years by using positive discrimination to get more minorities into positions.

In this case, the non-muslim are the minority and if all things be equal - should enjoy the same privileges?
No-or extremely few-non Muslim parents would send their kids to an islamic school and even if it is classed as a "Free" school. Islam has so much negative press-mostly rightly-,that no parent would trust a school like that. Tauheedul will come out with the spin that their schools are open to all faiths,but the reality is and always has been,that 99.9 per cent of pupils are Muslim and that figure won't change.
[quote][p][bold]roverstid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnyb*![/bold] wrote: It seems that anything the Tauheedul set up does is divisive, promoting/forcing the Islamic faith down peoples throats. Where is the integration. Children learn integration better when they are younger but the islamic faith schools don't promote that, the only time they integrate is when the islamic brainwashing has run its course then its too late. Unfortunately the education bosses don't see this, we need to promote racial harmony not intolerance, and the effects on the surrounding schools will be terminal. The idea for the new islamic faith school should be scrapped now before its too late.[/p][/quote]As I said yesterday, maybe there needs to be "Positive discrimination" quotas applied to this school to encourage more integration and give non-muslim children to benefit from this education which apparently to its champions, is better than the non-Islamic schools. At least that way students could report themselves of any forced Islamic values which the 'emergency ofsted report' apparently has discredited like not clapping etc. If it is above reproach, the best way to ensure that is to do what this country has done for BME's and women for years by using positive discrimination to get more minorities into positions. In this case, the non-muslim are the minority and if all things be equal - should enjoy the same privileges?[/p][/quote]No-or extremely few-non Muslim parents would send their kids to an islamic school and even if it is classed as a "Free" school. Islam has so much negative press-mostly rightly-,that no parent would trust a school like that. Tauheedul will come out with the spin that their schools are open to all faiths,but the reality is and always has been,that 99.9 per cent of pupils are Muslim and that figure won't change. Reality50
  • Score: 3

8:31am Fri 29 Aug 14

The Open Mind says...

Reality50 wrote:
roverstid wrote:
johnnyb*! wrote:
It seems that anything the Tauheedul set up does is divisive, promoting/forcing the Islamic faith down peoples throats. Where is the integration. Children learn integration better when they are younger but the islamic faith schools don't promote that, the only time they integrate is when the islamic brainwashing has run its course then its too late. Unfortunately the education bosses don't see this, we need to promote racial harmony not intolerance, and the effects on the surrounding schools will be terminal. The idea for the new islamic faith school should be scrapped now before its too late.
As I said yesterday, maybe there needs to be "Positive discrimination" quotas applied to this school to encourage more integration and give non-muslim children to benefit from this education which apparently to its champions, is better than the non-Islamic schools.

At least that way students could report themselves of any forced Islamic values which the 'emergency ofsted report' apparently has discredited like not clapping etc.

If it is above reproach, the best way to ensure that is to do what this country has done for BME's and women for years by using positive discrimination to get more minorities into positions.

In this case, the non-muslim are the minority and if all things be equal - should enjoy the same privileges?
No-or extremely few-non Muslim parents would send their kids to an islamic school and even if it is classed as a "Free" school. Islam has so much negative press-mostly rightly-,that no parent would trust a school like that. Tauheedul will come out with the spin that their schools are open to all faiths,but the reality is and always has been,that 99.9 per cent of pupils are Muslim and that figure won't change.
If what you say represents the view of all non-Muslims, then it isn't Tauheedul Schools failing to integrate, but it is the ignorant, non-Muslim attitude to Islam that is stopping integration.

I have always said, Muslims now make up a good number in RC and CofE schools, sometimes (not always) even partaking in rituals.

Tauheedul have opened the doors to people of other or no faiths. Instead of shouting segregation, we need people to go ahead and send their children to these schools. As mentioned in an earlier post, only then will there be clarity on whether Islam 'is forced' and all the other allegations.
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roverstid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnyb*![/bold] wrote: It seems that anything the Tauheedul set up does is divisive, promoting/forcing the Islamic faith down peoples throats. Where is the integration. Children learn integration better when they are younger but the islamic faith schools don't promote that, the only time they integrate is when the islamic brainwashing has run its course then its too late. Unfortunately the education bosses don't see this, we need to promote racial harmony not intolerance, and the effects on the surrounding schools will be terminal. The idea for the new islamic faith school should be scrapped now before its too late.[/p][/quote]As I said yesterday, maybe there needs to be "Positive discrimination" quotas applied to this school to encourage more integration and give non-muslim children to benefit from this education which apparently to its champions, is better than the non-Islamic schools. At least that way students could report themselves of any forced Islamic values which the 'emergency ofsted report' apparently has discredited like not clapping etc. If it is above reproach, the best way to ensure that is to do what this country has done for BME's and women for years by using positive discrimination to get more minorities into positions. In this case, the non-muslim are the minority and if all things be equal - should enjoy the same privileges?[/p][/quote]No-or extremely few-non Muslim parents would send their kids to an islamic school and even if it is classed as a "Free" school. Islam has so much negative press-mostly rightly-,that no parent would trust a school like that. Tauheedul will come out with the spin that their schools are open to all faiths,but the reality is and always has been,that 99.9 per cent of pupils are Muslim and that figure won't change.[/p][/quote]If what you say represents the view of all non-Muslims, then it isn't Tauheedul Schools failing to integrate, but it is the ignorant, non-Muslim attitude to Islam that is stopping integration. I have always said, Muslims now make up a good number in RC and CofE schools, sometimes (not always) even partaking in rituals. Tauheedul have opened the doors to people of other or no faiths. Instead of shouting segregation, we need people to go ahead and send their children to these schools. As mentioned in an earlier post, only then will there be clarity on whether Islam 'is forced' and all the other allegations. The Open Mind
  • Score: 2

8:38am Fri 29 Aug 14

The Open Mind says...

It is all well and good asking for the closure of faith schools but that would mean denying the parents of over 7,000 over-subscribed faith schools nationally, their right to send their children to these schools.
It is all well and good asking for the closure of faith schools but that would mean denying the parents of over 7,000 over-subscribed faith schools nationally, their right to send their children to these schools. The Open Mind
  • Score: 3

1:08pm Fri 29 Aug 14

salvadore says...

Reality50 wrote:
roverstid wrote:
johnnyb*! wrote:
It seems that anything the Tauheedul set up does is divisive, promoting/forcing the Islamic faith down peoples throats. Where is the integration. Children learn integration better when they are younger but the islamic faith schools don't promote that, the only time they integrate is when the islamic brainwashing has run its course then its too late. Unfortunately the education bosses don't see this, we need to promote racial harmony not intolerance, and the effects on the surrounding schools will be terminal. The idea for the new islamic faith school should be scrapped now before its too late.
As I said yesterday, maybe there needs to be "Positive discrimination" quotas applied to this school to encourage more integration and give non-muslim children to benefit from this education which apparently to its champions, is better than the non-Islamic schools.

At least that way students could report themselves of any forced Islamic values which the 'emergency ofsted report' apparently has discredited like not clapping etc.

If it is above reproach, the best way to ensure that is to do what this country has done for BME's and women for years by using positive discrimination to get more minorities into positions.

In this case, the non-muslim are the minority and if all things be equal - should enjoy the same privileges?
No-or extremely few-non Muslim parents would send their kids to an islamic school and even if it is classed as a "Free" school. Islam has so much negative press-mostly rightly-,that no parent would trust a school like that. Tauheedul will come out with the spin that their schools are open to all faiths,but the reality is and always has been,that 99.9 per cent of pupils are Muslim and that figure won't change.
Islam has negative press because the media is full of Jews. A lot of good work Muslims do such as raising money for flood victims in the south west is never reported. Tauheedul supports many charities and organisations that help the needy in this country and abroad. Non Muslims don't send their children to tauheedul because they have misconceptions about Islam. I say apply and see
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roverstid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnyb*![/bold] wrote: It seems that anything the Tauheedul set up does is divisive, promoting/forcing the Islamic faith down peoples throats. Where is the integration. Children learn integration better when they are younger but the islamic faith schools don't promote that, the only time they integrate is when the islamic brainwashing has run its course then its too late. Unfortunately the education bosses don't see this, we need to promote racial harmony not intolerance, and the effects on the surrounding schools will be terminal. The idea for the new islamic faith school should be scrapped now before its too late.[/p][/quote]As I said yesterday, maybe there needs to be "Positive discrimination" quotas applied to this school to encourage more integration and give non-muslim children to benefit from this education which apparently to its champions, is better than the non-Islamic schools. At least that way students could report themselves of any forced Islamic values which the 'emergency ofsted report' apparently has discredited like not clapping etc. If it is above reproach, the best way to ensure that is to do what this country has done for BME's and women for years by using positive discrimination to get more minorities into positions. In this case, the non-muslim are the minority and if all things be equal - should enjoy the same privileges?[/p][/quote]No-or extremely few-non Muslim parents would send their kids to an islamic school and even if it is classed as a "Free" school. Islam has so much negative press-mostly rightly-,that no parent would trust a school like that. Tauheedul will come out with the spin that their schools are open to all faiths,but the reality is and always has been,that 99.9 per cent of pupils are Muslim and that figure won't change.[/p][/quote]Islam has negative press because the media is full of Jews. A lot of good work Muslims do such as raising money for flood victims in the south west is never reported. Tauheedul supports many charities and organisations that help the needy in this country and abroad. Non Muslims don't send their children to tauheedul because they have misconceptions about Islam. I say apply and see salvadore
  • Score: -7

3:57pm Fri 29 Aug 14

passingfootball says...

carry on keeping up the good work, pay no attention to the bigots out there, who make comments based on hatred and jealousy, no point wasting your time trying to please them,
carry on keeping up the good work, pay no attention to the bigots out there, who make comments based on hatred and jealousy, no point wasting your time trying to please them, passingfootball
  • Score: -5

3:37am Sat 30 Aug 14

roverstid says...

salvadore wrote:
roverstid wrote:
johnnyb*! wrote:
It seems that anything the Tauheedul set up does is divisive, promoting/forcing the Islamic faith down peoples throats. Where is the integration. Children learn integration better when they are younger but the islamic faith schools don't promote that, the only time they integrate is when the islamic brainwashing has run its course then its too late. Unfortunately the education bosses don't see this, we need to promote racial harmony not intolerance, and the effects on the surrounding schools will be terminal. The idea for the new islamic faith school should be scrapped now before its too late.
As I said yesterday, maybe there needs to be "Positive discrimination" quotas applied to this school to encourage more integration and give non-muslim children to benefit from this education which apparently to its champions, is better than the non-Islamic schools.

At least that way students could report themselves of any forced Islamic values which the 'emergency ofsted report' apparently has discredited like not clapping etc.

If it is above reproach, the best way to ensure that is to do what this country has done for BME's and women for years by using positive discrimination to get more minorities into positions.

In this case, the non-muslim are the minority and if all things be equal - should enjoy the same privileges?
So why not think of positive quotas for catholic and c of e schools. Who for decades has been cheery picking the best Christian children for themselves. Non Christians didn't even get a look in, ah I see you only have a problem with Muslim schools. Christian don't brainwash their kids do they not you are bothered about thousands of Jewish kids attending illegal unregistered schools. They are taught to be suspicious about Britain. Not clapping is not illegal, there's other ways to show appreciation.
I don't see why you have an issue with positive discrimination. If C of E and RC schools had under-representation I would advocate it for them too.

Methinks thou doth protest too much to really WANT an integrated Islamic school.

Positive Discrimination IS after all a tried and tested solution in other areas like employment.
[quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roverstid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnyb*![/bold] wrote: It seems that anything the Tauheedul set up does is divisive, promoting/forcing the Islamic faith down peoples throats. Where is the integration. Children learn integration better when they are younger but the islamic faith schools don't promote that, the only time they integrate is when the islamic brainwashing has run its course then its too late. Unfortunately the education bosses don't see this, we need to promote racial harmony not intolerance, and the effects on the surrounding schools will be terminal. The idea for the new islamic faith school should be scrapped now before its too late.[/p][/quote]As I said yesterday, maybe there needs to be "Positive discrimination" quotas applied to this school to encourage more integration and give non-muslim children to benefit from this education which apparently to its champions, is better than the non-Islamic schools. At least that way students could report themselves of any forced Islamic values which the 'emergency ofsted report' apparently has discredited like not clapping etc. If it is above reproach, the best way to ensure that is to do what this country has done for BME's and women for years by using positive discrimination to get more minorities into positions. In this case, the non-muslim are the minority and if all things be equal - should enjoy the same privileges?[/p][/quote]So why not think of positive quotas for catholic and c of e schools. Who for decades has been cheery picking the best Christian children for themselves. Non Christians didn't even get a look in, ah I see you only have a problem with Muslim schools. Christian don't brainwash their kids do they not you are bothered about thousands of Jewish kids attending illegal unregistered schools. They are taught to be suspicious about Britain. Not clapping is not illegal, there's other ways to show appreciation.[/p][/quote]I don't see why you have an issue with positive discrimination. If C of E and RC schools had under-representation I would advocate it for them too. Methinks thou doth protest too much to really WANT an integrated Islamic school. Positive Discrimination IS after all a tried and tested solution in other areas like employment. roverstid
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7:33am Sat 30 Aug 14

Excluded again says...

roverstid wrote:
salvadore wrote:
roverstid wrote:
johnnyb*! wrote:
It seems that anything the Tauheedul set up does is divisive, promoting/forcing the Islamic faith down peoples throats. Where is the integration. Children learn integration better when they are younger but the islamic faith schools don't promote that, the only time they integrate is when the islamic brainwashing has run its course then its too late. Unfortunately the education bosses don't see this, we need to promote racial harmony not intolerance, and the effects on the surrounding schools will be terminal. The idea for the new islamic faith school should be scrapped now before its too late.
As I said yesterday, maybe there needs to be "Positive discrimination" quotas applied to this school to encourage more integration and give non-muslim children to benefit from this education which apparently to its champions, is better than the non-Islamic schools.

At least that way students could report themselves of any forced Islamic values which the 'emergency ofsted report' apparently has discredited like not clapping etc.

If it is above reproach, the best way to ensure that is to do what this country has done for BME's and women for years by using positive discrimination to get more minorities into positions.

In this case, the non-muslim are the minority and if all things be equal - should enjoy the same privileges?
So why not think of positive quotas for catholic and c of e schools. Who for decades has been cheery picking the best Christian children for themselves. Non Christians didn't even get a look in, ah I see you only have a problem with Muslim schools. Christian don't brainwash their kids do they not you are bothered about thousands of Jewish kids attending illegal unregistered schools. They are taught to be suspicious about Britain. Not clapping is not illegal, there's other ways to show appreciation.
I don't see why you have an issue with positive discrimination. If C of E and RC schools had under-representation I would advocate it for them too.

Methinks thou doth protest too much to really WANT an integrated Islamic school.

Positive Discrimination IS after all a tried and tested solution in other areas like employment.
Positive discrimination is not a tried and tested solution in any area in England. Positive discrimination in employment law in particular is illegal under English law and always has been.
[quote][p][bold]roverstid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roverstid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnyb*![/bold] wrote: It seems that anything the Tauheedul set up does is divisive, promoting/forcing the Islamic faith down peoples throats. Where is the integration. Children learn integration better when they are younger but the islamic faith schools don't promote that, the only time they integrate is when the islamic brainwashing has run its course then its too late. Unfortunately the education bosses don't see this, we need to promote racial harmony not intolerance, and the effects on the surrounding schools will be terminal. The idea for the new islamic faith school should be scrapped now before its too late.[/p][/quote]As I said yesterday, maybe there needs to be "Positive discrimination" quotas applied to this school to encourage more integration and give non-muslim children to benefit from this education which apparently to its champions, is better than the non-Islamic schools. At least that way students could report themselves of any forced Islamic values which the 'emergency ofsted report' apparently has discredited like not clapping etc. If it is above reproach, the best way to ensure that is to do what this country has done for BME's and women for years by using positive discrimination to get more minorities into positions. In this case, the non-muslim are the minority and if all things be equal - should enjoy the same privileges?[/p][/quote]So why not think of positive quotas for catholic and c of e schools. Who for decades has been cheery picking the best Christian children for themselves. Non Christians didn't even get a look in, ah I see you only have a problem with Muslim schools. Christian don't brainwash their kids do they not you are bothered about thousands of Jewish kids attending illegal unregistered schools. They are taught to be suspicious about Britain. Not clapping is not illegal, there's other ways to show appreciation.[/p][/quote]I don't see why you have an issue with positive discrimination. If C of E and RC schools had under-representation I would advocate it for them too. Methinks thou doth protest too much to really WANT an integrated Islamic school. Positive Discrimination IS after all a tried and tested solution in other areas like employment.[/p][/quote]Positive discrimination is not a tried and tested solution in any area in England. Positive discrimination in employment law in particular is illegal under English law and always has been. Excluded again
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1:47pm Sat 30 Aug 14

salvadore says...

Excluded again wrote:
roverstid wrote:
salvadore wrote:
roverstid wrote:
johnnyb*! wrote:
It seems that anything the Tauheedul set up does is divisive, promoting/forcing the Islamic faith down peoples throats. Where is the integration. Children learn integration better when they are younger but the islamic faith schools don't promote that, the only time they integrate is when the islamic brainwashing has run its course then its too late. Unfortunately the education bosses don't see this, we need to promote racial harmony not intolerance, and the effects on the surrounding schools will be terminal. The idea for the new islamic faith school should be scrapped now before its too late.
As I said yesterday, maybe there needs to be "Positive discrimination" quotas applied to this school to encourage more integration and give non-muslim children to benefit from this education which apparently to its champions, is better than the non-Islamic schools.

At least that way students could report themselves of any forced Islamic values which the 'emergency ofsted report' apparently has discredited like not clapping etc.

If it is above reproach, the best way to ensure that is to do what this country has done for BME's and women for years by using positive discrimination to get more minorities into positions.

In this case, the non-muslim are the minority and if all things be equal - should enjoy the same privileges?
So why not think of positive quotas for catholic and c of e schools. Who for decades has been cheery picking the best Christian children for themselves. Non Christians didn't even get a look in, ah I see you only have a problem with Muslim schools. Christian don't brainwash their kids do they not you are bothered about thousands of Jewish kids attending illegal unregistered schools. They are taught to be suspicious about Britain. Not clapping is not illegal, there's other ways to show appreciation.
I don't see why you have an issue with positive discrimination. If C of E and RC schools had under-representation I would advocate it for them too.

Methinks thou doth protest too much to really WANT an integrated Islamic school.

Positive Discrimination IS after all a tried and tested solution in other areas like employment.
Positive discrimination is not a tried and tested solution in any area in England. Positive discrimination in employment law in particular is illegal under English law and always has been.
Totally agree, you can take positive action. No such thing as positive discrimination in equality law. Again I will say it when St. wilfrids and our lady's were specifically asking for affiliation to church as part of the application process. Where was your positive discrimination then. It's funny how everyone jumps on the anti Islamic bandwagon. The 2 schools with st bedes made it difficult for non Christians to attend these schools. They still have such rules, even in 6th form lads aren't allowed to keep a beard even on religious grounds. Yet these were the best performing state schools until tauheedul started. Those who ask for it now for Islamic schools are sounding hollow as they never did it before.
[quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roverstid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]salvadore[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]roverstid[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnyb*![/bold] wrote: It seems that anything the Tauheedul set up does is divisive, promoting/forcing the Islamic faith down peoples throats. Where is the integration. Children learn integration better when they are younger but the islamic faith schools don't promote that, the only time they integrate is when the islamic brainwashing has run its course then its too late. Unfortunately the education bosses don't see this, we need to promote racial harmony not intolerance, and the effects on the surrounding schools will be terminal. The idea for the new islamic faith school should be scrapped now before its too late.[/p][/quote]As I said yesterday, maybe there needs to be "Positive discrimination" quotas applied to this school to encourage more integration and give non-muslim children to benefit from this education which apparently to its champions, is better than the non-Islamic schools. At least that way students could report themselves of any forced Islamic values which the 'emergency ofsted report' apparently has discredited like not clapping etc. If it is above reproach, the best way to ensure that is to do what this country has done for BME's and women for years by using positive discrimination to get more minorities into positions. In this case, the non-muslim are the minority and if all things be equal - should enjoy the same privileges?[/p][/quote]So why not think of positive quotas for catholic and c of e schools. Who for decades has been cheery picking the best Christian children for themselves. Non Christians didn't even get a look in, ah I see you only have a problem with Muslim schools. Christian don't brainwash their kids do they not you are bothered about thousands of Jewish kids attending illegal unregistered schools. They are taught to be suspicious about Britain. Not clapping is not illegal, there's other ways to show appreciation.[/p][/quote]I don't see why you have an issue with positive discrimination. If C of E and RC schools had under-representation I would advocate it for them too. Methinks thou doth protest too much to really WANT an integrated Islamic school. Positive Discrimination IS after all a tried and tested solution in other areas like employment.[/p][/quote]Positive discrimination is not a tried and tested solution in any area in England. Positive discrimination in employment law in particular is illegal under English law and always has been.[/p][/quote]Totally agree, you can take positive action. No such thing as positive discrimination in equality law. Again I will say it when St. wilfrids and our lady's were specifically asking for affiliation to church as part of the application process. Where was your positive discrimination then. It's funny how everyone jumps on the anti Islamic bandwagon. The 2 schools with st bedes made it difficult for non Christians to attend these schools. They still have such rules, even in 6th form lads aren't allowed to keep a beard even on religious grounds. Yet these were the best performing state schools until tauheedul started. Those who ask for it now for Islamic schools are sounding hollow as they never did it before. salvadore
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2:18pm Sun 31 Aug 14

ladysal says...

Nice to see the usual ignorance creeping in again.
"Get rid of faith schools" Good idea. However, wouldn't it make more sense to find out why they tend to be more successful and apply that to all schools, so that that level of success is replicated?
"Christian schools are allowed to cherry pick the best of the Christian children" Really? Please explain how my daughter's good catholic school meets it's government imposed quota of non catholic children then.
Why do so many people think that the best way to fix a broken education system is to break the successful schools?
Nice to see the usual ignorance creeping in again. "Get rid of faith schools" Good idea. However, wouldn't it make more sense to find out why they tend to be more successful and apply that to all schools, so that that level of success is replicated? "Christian schools are allowed to cherry pick the best of the Christian children" Really? Please explain how my daughter's good catholic school meets it's government imposed quota of non catholic children then. Why do so many people think that the best way to fix a broken education system is to break the successful schools? ladysal
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8:25am Mon 8 Sep 14

shirtbox says...

Say NO to all faith schools.Religion no longer has a place in education.
Say NO to all faith schools.Religion no longer has a place in education. shirtbox
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