Johnson Fold dad refuses to take down flag pole despite order from Bolton at Home

Johnson Fold dad refuses to take down flag pole despite order from Bolton at Home

Paul Rushton with his flag pole flying the Lancashire rose flag

The Bolton at Home letter asking Paul Rushton to take down his flags

Paul Rushton's Lancashire rose flag

Paul Rushton flying his Union Flag

Paul Rushton flying his Union Flag

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A SCHOOL caretaker is refusing to take down a Lancashire rose flag from outside his house after landlords Bolton at Home told him remove a flag pole.

Dad-of-five Paul Rushton was handed a letter by officials, asking him to remove flags from outside his home in Johnson Fold.

The letter, which has upset Mr Rushton, has been shared on Facebook more than 400 times.

But Bolton at Home insists tenants are allowed to fly national flags, so long as they seek permission before putting up flag poles in their gardens.

The caretaker at Bolton St Catherine’s Academy said he has no association with political parties — but simply wanted to express his patriotism.

Mr Rushton had not asked for permission from Bolton at Home before putting up the flag pole in his front garden.

The 45-year-old, who lives in Hollin Hey Road, said: “I asked if I could appeal against this decision. They said yes and passed me a form to fill out, but I was told by the two officials I would lose my appeal.

“There are at least six flag poles I know of in the Johnson Fold area which have been up for numerous years, as well as many flags placed on properties.”

The Bolton Wanderers fan added: “I fly a Lancashire Rose, Union Flag and the St George’s Cross.

“I feel the way Bolton At Home are dealing with this is wrong as I am not a member of any social or political party. I’m just patriotic to my country.


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“I don’t want to cause trouble in any way and just feel this is wrong as all I am doing is flying a flag.”

In April, Bolton Council passed a motion encouraging all of the borough’s schools to fly the Union Flag in their grounds.

A Bolton at Home spokesman said tenants were allowed to fly any flags so long as they meet government guidance, which includes any country’s national flag and any representing a UK county or town.

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He said: “We apologise to Mr Ruston who received this letter as we didn’t clearly explain our position on flags and flag poles, which we’d like to clarify.

“Firstly, our customers can fly any flags if they do it in a way that meets government guidance.

“Secondly, we ask customers to seek our permission before putting up flag poles as we have to ensure they comply with the government guidance and that they are safe structures. This was the intention of our letter.

“Finally, we want customers to enjoy expressing their patriotism and we only investigate cases that fall outside of the government’s guidance.”

While the letter is addressed "dear residents", Bolton at Home say the letter was sent only to Mr Rushton.

Mr Rushton has now put in an appeal against Bolton at Home’s order.

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7:08am Fri 8 Aug 14

gigglebox3 says...

i live in a bolton at home property and wanted to do some alterations. i made sure i asked permission to do them. they said no to a couple of things but have said ok to others. i would say to anyone wanting to alter anything, put up flag poles, flag gardens, knock walls down, convert lofts, change doors, fit own kitchens or bathrooms, lay laminate flooring etc to ask permission first! they told me that doing it first without permission could affect my tenancy agreement! so give them a bell and see what they say!
i live in a bolton at home property and wanted to do some alterations. i made sure i asked permission to do them. they said no to a couple of things but have said ok to others. i would say to anyone wanting to alter anything, put up flag poles, flag gardens, knock walls down, convert lofts, change doors, fit own kitchens or bathrooms, lay laminate flooring etc to ask permission first! they told me that doing it first without permission could affect my tenancy agreement! so give them a bell and see what they say! gigglebox3
  • Score: 72

7:38am Fri 8 Aug 14

Rememberscarborough says...

If you asked all Boltonians whether they wanted to be part of Lancashire or greater manchester I believe that over 99% would declare their allegiance to Lancashire.

Maybe this is more a case of not wanting to embarrass our council rather than anything else (and I know Bolton at Home are private but if you don't believe the council uses its influence on them behind the scenes you're daft)
If you asked all Boltonians whether they wanted to be part of Lancashire or greater manchester I believe that over 99% would declare their allegiance to Lancashire. Maybe this is more a case of not wanting to embarrass our council rather than anything else (and I know Bolton at Home are private but if you don't believe the council uses its influence on them behind the scenes you're daft) Rememberscarborough
  • Score: 49

7:47am Fri 8 Aug 14

Gore Seer says...

If You Rent Your Home You Are Binded By A Contract Whether We Like It Or Not, We all Know Who Pulls The String.
If You Rent Your Home You Are Binded By A Contract Whether We Like It Or Not, We all Know Who Pulls The String. Gore Seer
  • Score: 27

7:49am Fri 8 Aug 14

gigglebox3 says...

Gore Seer wrote:
If You Rent Your Home You Are Binded By A Contract Whether We Like It Or Not, We all Know Who Pulls The String.
if you rent a property you are bound by the tenancy agreement. either private rented or social housing.
[quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: If You Rent Your Home You Are Binded By A Contract Whether We Like It Or Not, We all Know Who Pulls The String.[/p][/quote]if you rent a property you are bound by the tenancy agreement. either private rented or social housing. gigglebox3
  • Score: 45

7:56am Fri 8 Aug 14

mumrahhhh says...

I say wat next .......ban this ban the other ....
I say wat next .......ban this ban the other .... mumrahhhh
  • Score: -29

8:08am Fri 8 Aug 14

SammyJPB89 says...

I think it's ridiculous!!!
I think it's ridiculous!!! SammyJPB89
  • Score: -35

8:09am Fri 8 Aug 14

thomas222 says...

Its not Racist to show you love your Country.
Its not Racist to show you love your Country. thomas222
  • Score: 40

8:14am Fri 8 Aug 14

Brian the Lion says...

mumrahhhh wrote:
I say wat next .......ban this ban the other ....
I think they may have touble banning "the other"
[quote][p][bold]mumrahhhh[/bold] wrote: I say wat next .......ban this ban the other ....[/p][/quote]I think they may have touble banning "the other" Brian the Lion
  • Score: 2

8:16am Fri 8 Aug 14

Brian the Lion says...

mumrahhhh wrote:
I say wat next .......ban this ban the other ....
I think they may have trouble trying to ban "the other".
[quote][p][bold]mumrahhhh[/bold] wrote: I say wat next .......ban this ban the other ....[/p][/quote]I think they may have trouble trying to ban "the other". Brian the Lion
  • Score: -4

8:24am Fri 8 Aug 14

BOLTON_COLIN says...

Once again it's political correctness gone mad.
Other countries must be laughing their socks off at us.
What a disgrace to have to take flags down.
Not just the Lancashire Rose Flag, but other flags that our forefathers have fought and died for so that we may be free, and have our freedom which is slowly but surely being taken away from us, and any pride we have is being kicked out of us.
I despair.
Once again it's political correctness gone mad. Other countries must be laughing their socks off at us. What a disgrace to have to take flags down. Not just the Lancashire Rose Flag, but other flags that our forefathers have fought and died for so that we may be free, and have our freedom which is slowly but surely being taken away from us, and any pride we have is being kicked out of us. I despair. BOLTON_COLIN
  • Score: 46

8:30am Fri 8 Aug 14

SleepingThunder says...

Looks better than the poundland George cross flags & bunting some houses still have up from world cup.
Put a Palestine flag up see if that stops them moaning :@
Looks better than the poundland George cross flags & bunting some houses still have up from world cup. Put a Palestine flag up see if that stops them moaning :@ SleepingThunder
  • Score: 31

8:42am Fri 8 Aug 14

alexinhorwich says...

What if it was non-English flag? Would it have resulted in the same response?
What if it was non-English flag? Would it have resulted in the same response? alexinhorwich
  • Score: 32

8:44am Fri 8 Aug 14

chris25 says...

has amir still got his palestinian flag flying in his garden .
has amir still got his palestinian flag flying in his garden . chris25
  • Score: 65

8:49am Fri 8 Aug 14

rostron says...

If you read the letter, it states tenants & OWNERS !
Out of order.
He has been told before applying it will be a no, & would have been if he had applied first before erecting flagpole.
Now has Bolton At Home got a flag flying at their posh offices?
If so, hope they applied for permission !
Go Paul, xx
If you read the letter, it states tenants & OWNERS ! Out of order. He has been told before applying it will be a no, & would have been if he had applied first before erecting flagpole. Now has Bolton At Home got a flag flying at their posh offices? If so, hope they applied for permission ! Go Paul, xx rostron
  • Score: 15

8:53am Fri 8 Aug 14

itsnotthatbad says...

Don't see what the fuss is really, its johnny fold, by the weekend someone will have nicked it and it'll be on bolton buy sell and swap on facebook soon enough.....
Don't see what the fuss is really, its johnny fold, by the weekend someone will have nicked it and it'll be on bolton buy sell and swap on facebook soon enough..... itsnotthatbad
  • Score: 60

9:08am Fri 8 Aug 14

Djorkaeff's right peg says...

This is bureaucratic insanity! The town is more cosmopolitan than ever and people should be able to demonstrate their patriotism freely. Mr Rushton is not affiliated with any right wing extremist organisations and is simply a proud man who works and contributes to the system.

Maybe Bolton at Home should focus on their lenient tenancy criteria that allows juvenile delinquents to take up residency, breed like vermin and contribute to nothing! Johnson Fold is unfortunately synonymous with such a breed and it's a shame really, because their are some terrific people who live there.

Lest we forget!

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
This is bureaucratic insanity! The town is more cosmopolitan than ever and people should be able to demonstrate their patriotism freely. Mr Rushton is not affiliated with any right wing extremist organisations and is simply a proud man who works and contributes to the system. Maybe Bolton at Home should focus on their lenient tenancy criteria that allows juvenile delinquents to take up residency, breed like vermin and contribute to nothing! Johnson Fold is unfortunately synonymous with such a breed and it's a shame really, because their are some terrific people who live there. Lest we forget! In Flanders fields the poppies blow Between the crosses, row on row, That mark our place; and in the sky The larks, still bravely singing, fly Scarce heard amid the guns below. We are the Dead. Short days ago We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow, Loved and were loved, and now we lie In Flanders fields. Take up our quarrel with the foe: To you from failing hands we throw The torch; be yours to hold it high. If ye break faith with us who die We shall not sleep, though poppies grow In Flanders fields. Djorkaeff's right peg
  • Score: 61

9:09am Fri 8 Aug 14

riga bert thong says...

Good on you ...keep it up ..
Good on you ...keep it up .. riga bert thong
  • Score: 15

9:21am Fri 8 Aug 14

atlas123 says...

Never in a million years will a court give possession to the landlord for this.

Politely refuse to remove it.
Never in a million years will a court give possession to the landlord for this. Politely refuse to remove it. atlas123
  • Score: 24

9:27am Fri 8 Aug 14

anonymus891 says...

Law says citizens are allowed to fly a flag on there property aslong as 1) it is on a vertical pole, and 2) the flag is flown the correct way. Lookin at the photos this guys is perfectly within in his legal RIGHTS to be flying the flag
Law says citizens are allowed to fly a flag on there property aslong as 1) it is on a vertical pole, and 2) the flag is flown the correct way. Lookin at the photos this guys is perfectly within in his legal RIGHTS to be flying the flag anonymus891
  • Score: 18

9:28am Fri 8 Aug 14

atlas123 says...

anonymus891 wrote:
Law says citizens are allowed to fly a flag on there property aslong as 1) it is on a vertical pole, and 2) the flag is flown the correct way. Lookin at the photos this guys is perfectly within in his legal RIGHTS to be flying the flag
Cite please?
[quote][p][bold]anonymus891[/bold] wrote: Law says citizens are allowed to fly a flag on there property aslong as 1) it is on a vertical pole, and 2) the flag is flown the correct way. Lookin at the photos this guys is perfectly within in his legal RIGHTS to be flying the flag[/p][/quote]Cite please? atlas123
  • Score: -2

9:31am Fri 8 Aug 14

mazxxx says...

Think its mad how u are not allowed to be proud of where u come from and the government wonder why the english av a bad name its because we av to bow down to everythin and everyone omg its a flag its not like he got some body flying there leave the man alone and let us english people try to be proud of where we come from
Think its mad how u are not allowed to be proud of where u come from and the government wonder why the english av a bad name its because we av to bow down to everythin and everyone omg its a flag its not like he got some body flying there leave the man alone and let us english people try to be proud of where we come from mazxxx
  • Score: -10

9:38am Fri 8 Aug 14

MissPeg says...

If you don't own the property then you can't really complain if the owners/people who look after it ask you to reverse something you did without gaining permission.

You wouldn't put a flag pole in your work place and expect your bosses to be okay with it. Would this gentleman complain if he tried doing the same at the school and was asked to remove it? Doubtful. Just because you live there, if you don't own it, you don't get to break the rules set out for all tenants.
If you don't own the property then you can't really complain if the owners/people who look after it ask you to reverse something you did without gaining permission. You wouldn't put a flag pole in your work place and expect your bosses to be okay with it. Would this gentleman complain if he tried doing the same at the school and was asked to remove it? Doubtful. Just because you live there, if you don't own it, you don't get to break the rules set out for all tenants. MissPeg
  • Score: 30

9:53am Fri 8 Aug 14

I.careless2 says...

I applied to have a 6x8 garden shed put up in my council garden and it was approved with the proviso I could have a shed as long as it did not go larger than half the size of my garden

ha ha score for me then.. my garden is 75ft x 40 foot what a shed I can have and I already have approval for it in writing.
maybe they need to review their paperwork for approvals or rather who does the approving
I applied to have a 6x8 garden shed put up in my council garden and it was approved with the proviso I could have a shed as long as it did not go larger than half the size of my garden ha ha score for me then.. my garden is 75ft x 40 foot what a shed I can have and I already have approval for it in writing. maybe they need to review their paperwork for approvals or rather who does the approving I.careless2
  • Score: -6

9:59am Fri 8 Aug 14

Snakestail says...

MissPeg wrote:
If you don't own the property then you can't really complain if the owners/people who look after it ask you to reverse something you did without gaining permission.

You wouldn't put a flag pole in your work place and expect your bosses to be okay with it. Would this gentleman complain if he tried doing the same at the school and was asked to remove it? Doubtful. Just because you live there, if you don't own it, you don't get to break the rules set out for all tenants.
That's a perfectly fair comment but Amir Khan's Brother has a Palestinian flag up (As reported by the BN) when he is neither Palestinian nor the Palestinian ambassador to the UK, yet the flag is on his private property and no one told him to take it down. What if he later erects a Pakistani flag, he is not the Pakistani ambassador to the UK either, what if he also puts up a Lancashire Red Rose, will anyone ask him to tear these down just because he has bought his house, Oh and did he get planning permission to erect the flag pole in the first place? Yes there is an agreement for rented property but if we are going to enforce that then shouldn't we extend it to mortgaged or bought property as well. Surely erecting a structure like a flagpole should be in common law and not just confined to rented property which is usually the lower wealth of society. So here's a law that once again picks on the least wealthy while allowing the rich to erect whatever flags they like free of legal bullying.

I am not saying this fellow is right or wrong or the Bolton at Home people are right or wrong, I don't really care that much, but if it is wrong for one man to do this, then it should be wrong for everyone. Stop the double standards and if you cannot prosecute a case against a wealthy home owner's flagpole then you shouldn't prosecute this man, so, both or neither.

As for causing an offence well, its a local flag, I am Lancashire, English and British, I have no problem with any of those flags. But if I saw an American flag or an Algerian flag then I'd ask if they were ambassadors and if not, then take that rag down and fly back to your own country and you can put it up there!
[quote][p][bold]MissPeg[/bold] wrote: If you don't own the property then you can't really complain if the owners/people who look after it ask you to reverse something you did without gaining permission. You wouldn't put a flag pole in your work place and expect your bosses to be okay with it. Would this gentleman complain if he tried doing the same at the school and was asked to remove it? Doubtful. Just because you live there, if you don't own it, you don't get to break the rules set out for all tenants.[/p][/quote]That's a perfectly fair comment but Amir Khan's Brother has a Palestinian flag up (As reported by the BN) when he is neither Palestinian nor the Palestinian ambassador to the UK, yet the flag is on his private property and no one told him to take it down. What if he later erects a Pakistani flag, he is not the Pakistani ambassador to the UK either, what if he also puts up a Lancashire Red Rose, will anyone ask him to tear these down just because he has bought his house, Oh and did he get planning permission to erect the flag pole in the first place? Yes there is an agreement for rented property but if we are going to enforce that then shouldn't we extend it to mortgaged or bought property as well. Surely erecting a structure like a flagpole should be in common law and not just confined to rented property which is usually the lower wealth of society. So here's a law that once again picks on the least wealthy while allowing the rich to erect whatever flags they like free of legal bullying. I am not saying this fellow is right or wrong or the Bolton at Home people are right or wrong, I don't really care that much, but if it is wrong for one man to do this, then it should be wrong for everyone. Stop the double standards and if you cannot prosecute a case against a wealthy home owner's flagpole then you shouldn't prosecute this man, so, both or neither. As for causing an offence well, its a local flag, I am Lancashire, English and British, I have no problem with any of those flags. But if I saw an American flag or an Algerian flag then I'd ask if they were ambassadors and if not, then take that rag down and fly back to your own country and you can put it up there! Snakestail
  • Score: 7

10:11am Fri 8 Aug 14

Cheeseware says...

Its not his property - its rented.
Its not his property - its rented. Cheeseware
  • Score: 23

10:32am Fri 8 Aug 14

jus' visitin says...

Hopefully the flag pole is correctly and safely installed if nothing else. He's in big trouble if it falls on someone.
Hopefully the flag pole is correctly and safely installed if nothing else. He's in big trouble if it falls on someone. jus' visitin
  • Score: 12

10:52am Fri 8 Aug 14

balicharlie says...

The flag looks to me to be upside down, The Lancashire rose has 5 points, one of which is at the tip i.e.12 O´clock, the flag on the photo has it at the bottom.
The flag looks to me to be upside down, The Lancashire rose has 5 points, one of which is at the tip i.e.12 O´clock, the flag on the photo has it at the bottom. balicharlie
  • Score: 13

11:15am Fri 8 Aug 14

quinny79 says...

what a joke this is!!! We should be happy that someone is flying our flag and not any other. Really annoys me stuff like this. We should all be patriotic!!.

I have loads of flags in my street and will continue to fly these.

For everyone the council take down I will put 2 more up!!! and thats a promise

Im not being racist or any other bull you wanna say just being patriotic!!!

IS THIS REALLY A CRIME???????????????
????
what a joke this is!!! We should be happy that someone is flying our flag and not any other. Really annoys me stuff like this. We should all be patriotic!!. I have loads of flags in my street and will continue to fly these. For everyone the council take down I will put 2 more up!!! and thats a promise Im not being racist or any other bull you wanna say just being patriotic!!! IS THIS REALLY A CRIME??????????????? ???? quinny79
  • Score: -7

11:16am Fri 8 Aug 14

Percy Thrower says...

balicharlie wrote:
The flag looks to me to be upside down, The Lancashire rose has 5 points, one of which is at the tip i.e.12 O´clock, the flag on the photo has it at the bottom.
You are confusing as many do the Lancashire Rose with the Montrose Rose flag which is in Scotland. Both flags have been registered but I think ours is supposed to have a yellow background. The Montrose Rose is the one that is the other way up to the one in this picture, with one leaf at 12 o'clock.
[quote][p][bold]balicharlie[/bold] wrote: The flag looks to me to be upside down, The Lancashire rose has 5 points, one of which is at the tip i.e.12 O´clock, the flag on the photo has it at the bottom.[/p][/quote]You are confusing as many do the Lancashire Rose with the Montrose Rose flag which is in Scotland. Both flags have been registered but I think ours is supposed to have a yellow background. The Montrose Rose is the one that is the other way up to the one in this picture, with one leaf at 12 o'clock. Percy Thrower
  • Score: -4

11:19am Fri 8 Aug 14

Percy Thrower says...

From Wikipedia:-

The traditional Lancashire flag, red rose on a white field, was never officially registered with the Flag Institute and when this was attempted it was found that this flag had been registered by the town of Montrose, Scotland. As two flags of the same design can not be registered, Lancashire’s official flag is now registered as a red rose on a yellow field.
From Wikipedia:- The traditional Lancashire flag, red rose on a white field, was never officially registered with the Flag Institute and when this was attempted it was found that this flag had been registered by the town of Montrose, Scotland. As two flags of the same design can not be registered, Lancashire’s official flag is now registered as a red rose on a yellow field. Percy Thrower
  • Score: 12

11:19am Fri 8 Aug 14

Phil from Smithills says...

Rememberscarborough wrote:
If you asked all Boltonians whether they wanted to be part of Lancashire or greater manchester I believe that over 99% would declare their allegiance to Lancashire.

Maybe this is more a case of not wanting to embarrass our council rather than anything else (and I know Bolton at Home are private but if you don't believe the council uses its influence on them behind the scenes you're daft)
Don't worry, we are still in the traditional county of Lancashire, although not in the administrative county, which is run by Lancashire County Council.

Remember, Bolton has never been administered by LCC., but still part of Lancashire that's pre 1974 and post 1974 when the Local Government Re-Organisation Act was enacted.

The traditional county of Lancashire is a County Palatine, which Bolton belongs , along with Liverpool, Manchester and Preston.
[quote][p][bold]Rememberscarborough[/bold] wrote: If you asked all Boltonians whether they wanted to be part of Lancashire or greater manchester I believe that over 99% would declare their allegiance to Lancashire. Maybe this is more a case of not wanting to embarrass our council rather than anything else (and I know Bolton at Home are private but if you don't believe the council uses its influence on them behind the scenes you're daft)[/p][/quote]Don't worry, we are still in the traditional county of Lancashire, although not in the administrative county, which is run by Lancashire County Council. Remember, Bolton has never been administered by LCC., but still part of Lancashire that's pre 1974 and post 1974 when the Local Government Re-Organisation Act was enacted. The traditional county of Lancashire is a County Palatine, which Bolton belongs , along with Liverpool, Manchester and Preston. Phil from Smithills
  • Score: 5

11:29am Fri 8 Aug 14

mattaiuseire says...

I wonder why erected flags of any Nation or County have to meet certain government guidelines, whereas when people install double glazing or satellite dishes, nobody gives a flying fig. How about when the World Cup was on? People were encouraged to fly the flag not remove it.
I wonder why erected flags of any Nation or County have to meet certain government guidelines, whereas when people install double glazing or satellite dishes, nobody gives a flying fig. How about when the World Cup was on? People were encouraged to fly the flag not remove it. mattaiuseire
  • Score: 3

11:29am Fri 8 Aug 14

cazwivs33 says...

itsnotthatbad wrote:
Don't see what the fuss is really, its johnny fold, by the weekend someone will have nicked it and it'll be on bolton buy sell and swap on facebook soon enough.....
So all people from Johnny fold are thieves are they? Shall we not bother because it's only their human rights from Johnny fold, you should be ashamed of that comment itsnotthatbad, how narrow minded!
[quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: Don't see what the fuss is really, its johnny fold, by the weekend someone will have nicked it and it'll be on bolton buy sell and swap on facebook soon enough.....[/p][/quote]So all people from Johnny fold are thieves are they? Shall we not bother because it's only their human rights from Johnny fold, you should be ashamed of that comment itsnotthatbad, how narrow minded! cazwivs33
  • Score: -1

11:56am Fri 8 Aug 14

nigella farrage says...

thomas222 wrote:
Its not Racist to show you love your Country.
How long has Lancashire been a country?????????????
???
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Its not Racist to show you love your Country.[/p][/quote]How long has Lancashire been a country????????????? ??? nigella farrage
  • Score: -7

12:01pm Fri 8 Aug 14

JohnR1 says...

In the photos, the Union Flag is upside-down. Some patriot if he doesn't know which way to fly his national emblem.
In the photos, the Union Flag is upside-down. Some patriot if he doesn't know which way to fly his national emblem. JohnR1
  • Score: 9

12:02pm Fri 8 Aug 14

nigella farrage says...

@Chris25 - Amir Khan lives in his own private house and as such does not have any rules/terms and condituions to abide by from Bolton at Home, or any other private landlord.

If you rent from a landlord, whether it be a private landlord or a social hosuing not-for-profit organisation, you sign up to rent the property with their terms and conditions. If these terms get broken then the landlord can legally have you removed. Therefore this warning from Bolton at Home is just the first step, if it gets ignored then Bolton at Home do have teh right to evict him!!!!
@Chris25 - Amir Khan lives in his own private house and as such does not have any rules/terms and condituions to abide by from Bolton at Home, or any other private landlord. If you rent from a landlord, whether it be a private landlord or a social hosuing not-for-profit organisation, you sign up to rent the property with their terms and conditions. If these terms get broken then the landlord can legally have you removed. Therefore this warning from Bolton at Home is just the first step, if it gets ignored then Bolton at Home do have teh right to evict him!!!! nigella farrage
  • Score: 14

12:29pm Fri 8 Aug 14

nigella farrage says...

Rostron - The owners, in this case are the woners of the properties who are renting the properties to Bolton At Home who then sub-let out to tenant.

There are terms and conditions to which owners have to abide by when renting theri property with/through Bolton at Home and many other not-for-profit social housing associations.
Rostron - The owners, in this case are the woners of the properties who are renting the properties to Bolton At Home who then sub-let out to tenant. There are terms and conditions to which owners have to abide by when renting theri property with/through Bolton at Home and many other not-for-profit social housing associations. nigella farrage
  • Score: -3

12:29pm Fri 8 Aug 14

paulrich says...

Just to be helpful

https://www.gov.uk/g
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om-to-fly-pickles-to
-cut-red-tape-that-s
tops-the-public-from
-flying-flags

http://www.legislati
on.gov.uk/uksi/2007/
783/schedule/1/made
Just to be helpful https://www.gov.uk/g overnment/news/freed om-to-fly-pickles-to -cut-red-tape-that-s tops-the-public-from -flying-flags http://www.legislati on.gov.uk/uksi/2007/ 783/schedule/1/made paulrich
  • Score: -3

12:31pm Fri 8 Aug 14

trish1975 says...

MissPeg wrote:
If you don't own the property then you can't really complain if the owners/people who look after it ask you to reverse something you did without gaining permission.

You wouldn't put a flag pole in your work place and expect your bosses to be okay with it. Would this gentleman complain if he tried doing the same at the school and was asked to remove it? Doubtful. Just because you live there, if you don't own it, you don't get to break the rules set out for all tenants.
i think you'll find the letter says all flags to be taken down from flag poles and on the property itself and flag pole to be removed, action will be taken against any tennant or OWNER who do not do so.
[quote][p][bold]MissPeg[/bold] wrote: If you don't own the property then you can't really complain if the owners/people who look after it ask you to reverse something you did without gaining permission. You wouldn't put a flag pole in your work place and expect your bosses to be okay with it. Would this gentleman complain if he tried doing the same at the school and was asked to remove it? Doubtful. Just because you live there, if you don't own it, you don't get to break the rules set out for all tenants.[/p][/quote]i think you'll find the letter says all flags to be taken down from flag poles and on the property itself and flag pole to be removed, action will be taken against any tennant or OWNER who do not do so. trish1975
  • Score: -7

12:34pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Back oth Bank Boy says...

storm in the tea cup. we should all fly red rose flag, why not. just because old Tories pulled Bolton out of Lancashire and lumped it with greater manchester did not change loyalty to red rose flag. This great flag has its own history, and Paul Rushton want to remember it, reminding it. Good on you my boy you have my full support.
storm in the tea cup. we should all fly red rose flag, why not. just because old Tories pulled Bolton out of Lancashire and lumped it with greater manchester did not change loyalty to red rose flag. This great flag has its own history, and Paul Rushton want to remember it, reminding it. Good on you my boy you have my full support. Back oth Bank Boy
  • Score: -2

12:34pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Percy Thrower says...

JohnR1 wrote:
In the photos, the Union Flag is upside-down. Some patriot if he doesn't know which way to fly his national emblem.
I think you will find that you are wrong.

http://resources.woo
dlands-junior.kent.s
ch.uk/geography/unio
njack7.html
[quote][p][bold]JohnR1[/bold] wrote: In the photos, the Union Flag is upside-down. Some patriot if he doesn't know which way to fly his national emblem.[/p][/quote]I think you will find that you are wrong. http://resources.woo dlands-junior.kent.s ch.uk/geography/unio njack7.html Percy Thrower
  • Score: -3

12:37pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Lancashire always says...

Phil from Smithills wrote:
Rememberscarborough wrote: If you asked all Boltonians whether they wanted to be part of Lancashire or greater manchester I believe that over 99% would declare their allegiance to Lancashire. Maybe this is more a case of not wanting to embarrass our council rather than anything else (and I know Bolton at Home are private but if you don't believe the council uses its influence on them behind the scenes you're daft)
Don't worry, we are still in the traditional county of Lancashire, although not in the administrative county, which is run by Lancashire County Council. Remember, Bolton has never been administered by LCC., but still part of Lancashire that's pre 1974 and post 1974 when the Local Government Re-Organisation Act was enacted. The traditional county of Lancashire is a County Palatine, which Bolton belongs , along with Liverpool, Manchester and Preston.
I used to like their ice cream . Mmmmmmmmm.
[quote][p][bold]Phil from Smithills[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rememberscarborough[/bold] wrote: If you asked all Boltonians whether they wanted to be part of Lancashire or greater manchester I believe that over 99% would declare their allegiance to Lancashire. Maybe this is more a case of not wanting to embarrass our council rather than anything else (and I know Bolton at Home are private but if you don't believe the council uses its influence on them behind the scenes you're daft)[/p][/quote]Don't worry, we are still in the traditional county of Lancashire, although not in the administrative county, which is run by Lancashire County Council. Remember, Bolton has never been administered by LCC., but still part of Lancashire that's pre 1974 and post 1974 when the Local Government Re-Organisation Act was enacted. The traditional county of Lancashire is a County Palatine, which Bolton belongs , along with Liverpool, Manchester and Preston.[/p][/quote]I used to like their ice cream . Mmmmmmmmm. Lancashire always
  • Score: -6

12:50pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Giraffe31 says...

It's simple really, if you feel the need to fly flags outside your house (not sure I will ever understand the reasons for this behaviour) then ask permission before putting a flag pole. It's most likely a DIY job that could quite easily be dangerous, the "Johnny fold crew" won't be as supportive when it's blown over in the wind and hit a car/house/human will they?

Also, when did anybody mention it being taken down to ensure it doesn't offend....that's your own racist minds working overtime, give it a rest. Nobody cares what flag you fly, get a grip you mindless chavs!
It's simple really, if you feel the need to fly flags outside your house (not sure I will ever understand the reasons for this behaviour) then ask permission before putting a flag pole. It's most likely a DIY job that could quite easily be dangerous, the "Johnny fold crew" won't be as supportive when it's blown over in the wind and hit a car/house/human will they? Also, when did anybody mention it being taken down to ensure it doesn't offend....that's your own racist minds working overtime, give it a rest. Nobody cares what flag you fly, get a grip you mindless chavs! Giraffe31
  • Score: 11

12:54pm Fri 8 Aug 14

nigella farrage says...

Trish1975

The "OWNER", in this case of teh letter, are the owners of the properties who are renting the properties to Bolton At Home who then sub-let out to tenant.

There are terms and conditions to which owners have to abide by when renting theri property with/through Bolton at Home and many other not-for-profit social housing associations.

It isn't that difficult to comprehend, surely.
Trish1975 The "OWNER", in this case of teh letter, are the owners of the properties who are renting the properties to Bolton At Home who then sub-let out to tenant. There are terms and conditions to which owners have to abide by when renting theri property with/through Bolton at Home and many other not-for-profit social housing associations. It isn't that difficult to comprehend, surely. nigella farrage
  • Score: 3

12:57pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Giraffe31 says...

thomas222 wrote:
Its not Racist to show you love your Country.
Who said it was racist? Nobody is offended by the flag
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Its not Racist to show you love your Country.[/p][/quote]Who said it was racist? Nobody is offended by the flag Giraffe31
  • Score: 12

1:22pm Fri 8 Aug 14

RogerDT says...

chris25 wrote:
has amir still got his palestinian flag flying in his garden .
Is Amir with Bolton at Home?
[quote][p][bold]chris25[/bold] wrote: has amir still got his palestinian flag flying in his garden .[/p][/quote]Is Amir with Bolton at Home? RogerDT
  • Score: 12

1:30pm Fri 8 Aug 14

IvanCamposHair says...

Some people obviously haven't read the article or are wilfully ignoring the parts that suit your agenda.

Bolton at Home have not said he cannot put the flag pole up, just that he needs to ask permission and make sure it meets a certain safety standard.

It is about liability if something falls on someone, surely a school caretaker should understand that.
Some people obviously haven't read the article or are wilfully ignoring the parts that suit your agenda. Bolton at Home have not said he cannot put the flag pole up, just that he needs to ask permission and make sure it meets a certain safety standard. It is about liability if something falls on someone, surely a school caretaker should understand that. IvanCamposHair
  • Score: 12

1:33pm Fri 8 Aug 14

IvanCamposHair says...

thomas222 wrote:
Its not Racist to show you love your Country.
No one said it was Thomas! You come across as a patriotic spam bot sometimes.

They were asked to remove the flag because they did not ask for permission so the landlord was not sure whether it was safe and have a public safety obligation.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Its not Racist to show you love your Country.[/p][/quote]No one said it was Thomas! You come across as a patriotic spam bot sometimes. They were asked to remove the flag because they did not ask for permission so the landlord was not sure whether it was safe and have a public safety obligation. IvanCamposHair
  • Score: 13

1:34pm Fri 8 Aug 14

IvanCamposHair says...

anonymus891 wrote:
Law says citizens are allowed to fly a flag on there property aslong as 1) it is on a vertical pole, and 2) the flag is flown the correct way. Lookin at the photos this guys is perfectly within in his legal RIGHTS to be flying the flag
But it is not his property, it is Bolton at Home's so it is them who have to meet the criteria as above.

God hope now of your are lawyers because there would be some hefty law suits coming your client's way!
[quote][p][bold]anonymus891[/bold] wrote: Law says citizens are allowed to fly a flag on there property aslong as 1) it is on a vertical pole, and 2) the flag is flown the correct way. Lookin at the photos this guys is perfectly within in his legal RIGHTS to be flying the flag[/p][/quote]But it is not his property, it is Bolton at Home's so it is them who have to meet the criteria as above. God hope now of your are lawyers because there would be some hefty law suits coming your client's way! IvanCamposHair
  • Score: 11

1:55pm Fri 8 Aug 14

knowledgeiskey says...

I don't think this is about "A" it s about "Which" Flag. This country,especially this town doesn't like to upset the "local" community! I am Muslim but i know of rather a lot of my "associates" would take offence....It seems OK for the "Khan" family to fly a foreign flag though...
I don't think this is about "A" it s about "Which" Flag. This country,especially this town doesn't like to upset the "local" community! I am Muslim but i know of rather a lot of my "associates" would take offence....It seems OK for the "Khan" family to fly a foreign flag though... knowledgeiskey
  • Score: 3

2:10pm Fri 8 Aug 14

JustBecause says...

IvanCamposHair wrote:
Some people obviously haven't read the article or are wilfully ignoring the parts that suit your agenda.

Bolton at Home have not said he cannot put the flag pole up, just that he needs to ask permission and make sure it meets a certain safety standard.

It is about liability if something falls on someone, surely a school caretaker should understand that.
Finally someone with a bit of common sence, all the people on here going on about flags, why? the story is about the pole.

I rent property and I would want to make sure if one of my tenants was installing something of this nature that it was safe.
[quote][p][bold]IvanCamposHair[/bold] wrote: Some people obviously haven't read the article or are wilfully ignoring the parts that suit your agenda. Bolton at Home have not said he cannot put the flag pole up, just that he needs to ask permission and make sure it meets a certain safety standard. It is about liability if something falls on someone, surely a school caretaker should understand that.[/p][/quote]Finally someone with a bit of common sence, all the people on here going on about flags, why? the story is about the pole. I rent property and I would want to make sure if one of my tenants was installing something of this nature that it was safe. JustBecause
  • Score: 10

2:30pm Fri 8 Aug 14

itsnotthatbad says...

cazwivs33 wrote:
itsnotthatbad wrote:
Don't see what the fuss is really, its johnny fold, by the weekend someone will have nicked it and it'll be on bolton buy sell and swap on facebook soon enough.....
So all people from Johnny fold are thieves are they? Shall we not bother because it's only their human rights from Johnny fold, you should be ashamed of that comment itsnotthatbad, how narrow minded!
read the comment again! never stated all are thieves. just stating due to the area its in it may disappear... specially now its been advertised too.....places dont get their reputations for no reason. I live around the corner btw.
[quote][p][bold]cazwivs33[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]itsnotthatbad[/bold] wrote: Don't see what the fuss is really, its johnny fold, by the weekend someone will have nicked it and it'll be on bolton buy sell and swap on facebook soon enough.....[/p][/quote]So all people from Johnny fold are thieves are they? Shall we not bother because it's only their human rights from Johnny fold, you should be ashamed of that comment itsnotthatbad, how narrow minded![/p][/quote]read the comment again! never stated all are thieves. just stating due to the area its in it may disappear... specially now its been advertised too.....places dont get their reputations for no reason. I live around the corner btw. itsnotthatbad
  • Score: 5

2:41pm Fri 8 Aug 14

mr.mark.c says...

Percy Thrower wrote:
JohnR1 wrote:
In the photos, the Union Flag is upside-down. Some patriot if he doesn't know which way to fly his national emblem.
I think you will find that you are wrong.

http://resources.woo

dlands-junior.kent.s

ch.uk/geography/unio

njack7.html
How can you say a person is wrong and then provide a link proving that they are correct?
The mind boggles and yes it's the wrong way up.
[quote][p][bold]Percy Thrower[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnR1[/bold] wrote: In the photos, the Union Flag is upside-down. Some patriot if he doesn't know which way to fly his national emblem.[/p][/quote]I think you will find that you are wrong. http://resources.woo dlands-junior.kent.s ch.uk/geography/unio njack7.html[/p][/quote]How can you say a person is wrong and then provide a link proving that they are correct? The mind boggles and yes it's the wrong way up. mr.mark.c
  • Score: 2

2:49pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Bowden Boy says...

We should be encouraged to fly National or County Flags.

The Flag that Paul is flying should have a Yellow back-ground, not White, to be the official Flag of Lancashire.

Lancashire Day is on the 27th. November.

Lets see lots of Lancashire Flags Flying.
We should be encouraged to fly National or County Flags. The Flag that Paul is flying should have a Yellow back-ground, not White, to be the official Flag of Lancashire. Lancashire Day is on the 27th. November. Lets see lots of Lancashire Flags Flying. Bowden Boy
  • Score: 2

3:05pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Percy Thrower says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
Percy Thrower wrote:
JohnR1 wrote:
In the photos, the Union Flag is upside-down. Some patriot if he doesn't know which way to fly his national emblem.
I think you will find that you are wrong.

http://resources.woo


dlands-junior.kent.s


ch.uk/geography/unio


njack7.html
How can you say a person is wrong and then provide a link proving that they are correct?
The mind boggles and yes it's the wrong way up.
He has the flag the same way up as the correct way in the link. Explain to me how it is the wrong way up then
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Percy Thrower[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnR1[/bold] wrote: In the photos, the Union Flag is upside-down. Some patriot if he doesn't know which way to fly his national emblem.[/p][/quote]I think you will find that you are wrong. http://resources.woo dlands-junior.kent.s ch.uk/geography/unio njack7.html[/p][/quote]How can you say a person is wrong and then provide a link proving that they are correct? The mind boggles and yes it's the wrong way up.[/p][/quote]He has the flag the same way up as the correct way in the link. Explain to me how it is the wrong way up then Percy Thrower
  • Score: -4

3:38pm Fri 8 Aug 14

wsw69 says...

Good luck in keeping your flags up the mast.

Here we go again! Officials who are totally p155ed with power and who cream themselves silly with the word 'ENFORCEMENT'.

Noticing who, and their job title, has signed off the letter.

Jeff Thomas

Estate Enforcement Assistant.

I bet that bloke loves his pathetic job title. Yet another f**king jobsworth at rate payers great expense.
Good luck in keeping your flags up the mast. Here we go again! Officials who are totally p155ed with power and who cream themselves silly with the word 'ENFORCEMENT'. Noticing who, and their job title, has signed off the letter. Jeff Thomas Estate Enforcement Assistant. I bet that bloke loves his pathetic job title. Yet another f**king jobsworth at rate payers great expense. wsw69
  • Score: 10

3:56pm Fri 8 Aug 14

sheila mc says...

The idiots in this town that make these birdbrain decisions never cease to amaze me , by trying to implement this ridiculous rule you only end up encouraging the patriots. So why not concentrate on more pressing issues like promoting our ghost town of a town centre.
The idiots in this town that make these birdbrain decisions never cease to amaze me , by trying to implement this ridiculous rule you only end up encouraging the patriots. So why not concentrate on more pressing issues like promoting our ghost town of a town centre. sheila mc
  • Score: 8

4:21pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Snakestail says...

So, just so I'm clear on this...

If he removes the flag pole.

Then asks for permission...get's permission....

Re-erects flag pole and puts his flags up...

Bolton At home will be okay with that?

And he puts the flag pole back up by himself (Not BaH doing it) so the safety concerns are exactly the same as they are now...

And we don't think this is just as daft?
So, just so I'm clear on this... If he removes the flag pole. Then asks for permission...get's permission.... Re-erects flag pole and puts his flags up... Bolton At home will be okay with that? And he puts the flag pole back up by himself (Not BaH doing it) so the safety concerns are exactly the same as they are now... And we don't think this is just as daft? Snakestail
  • Score: 4

4:50pm Fri 8 Aug 14

brian jones says...

Percy Thrower wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
Percy Thrower wrote:
JohnR1 wrote:
In the photos, the Union Flag is upside-down. Some patriot if he doesn't know which way to fly his national emblem.
I think you will find that you are wrong.

http://resources.woo



dlands-junior.kent.s



ch.uk/geography/unio



njack7.html
How can you say a person is wrong and then provide a link proving that they are correct?
The mind boggles and yes it's the wrong way up.
He has the flag the same way up as the correct way in the link. Explain to me how it is the wrong way up then
His flag IS upside down. It's just that the flagpole is on the right on the above pic, as opposed to on the left in the link. On the third photo, it's clear that the wider white band is underneath the narrow one on the flagpole side.
[quote][p][bold]Percy Thrower[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Percy Thrower[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnR1[/bold] wrote: In the photos, the Union Flag is upside-down. Some patriot if he doesn't know which way to fly his national emblem.[/p][/quote]I think you will find that you are wrong. http://resources.woo dlands-junior.kent.s ch.uk/geography/unio njack7.html[/p][/quote]How can you say a person is wrong and then provide a link proving that they are correct? The mind boggles and yes it's the wrong way up.[/p][/quote]He has the flag the same way up as the correct way in the link. Explain to me how it is the wrong way up then[/p][/quote]His flag IS upside down. It's just that the flagpole is on the right on the above pic, as opposed to on the left in the link. On the third photo, it's clear that the wider white band is underneath the narrow one on the flagpole side. brian jones
  • Score: 4

5:29pm Fri 8 Aug 14

mumrahhhh says...

mumrahhhh wrote:
I say wat next .......ban this ban the other ....
This is our England .....
[quote][p][bold]mumrahhhh[/bold] wrote: I say wat next .......ban this ban the other ....[/p][/quote]This is our England ..... mumrahhhh
  • Score: 0

5:33pm Fri 8 Aug 14

mumrahhhh says...

Snakestail wrote:
MissPeg wrote:
If you don't own the property then you can't really complain if the owners/people who look after it ask you to reverse something you did without gaining permission.

You wouldn't put a flag pole in your work place and expect your bosses to be okay with it. Would this gentleman complain if he tried doing the same at the school and was asked to remove it? Doubtful. Just because you live there, if you don't own it, you don't get to break the rules set out for all tenants.
That's a perfectly fair comment but Amir Khan's Brother has a Palestinian flag up (As reported by the BN) when he is neither Palestinian nor the Palestinian ambassador to the UK, yet the flag is on his private property and no one told him to take it down. What if he later erects a Pakistani flag, he is not the Pakistani ambassador to the UK either, what if he also puts up a Lancashire Red Rose, will anyone ask him to tear these down just because he has bought his house, Oh and did he get planning permission to erect the flag pole in the first place? Yes there is an agreement for rented property but if we are going to enforce that then shouldn't we extend it to mortgaged or bought property as well. Surely erecting a structure like a flagpole should be in common law and not just confined to rented property which is usually the lower wealth of society. So here's a law that once again picks on the least wealthy while allowing the rich to erect whatever flags they like free of legal bullying.

I am not saying this fellow is right or wrong or the Bolton at Home people are right or wrong, I don't really care that much, but if it is wrong for one man to do this, then it should be wrong for everyone. Stop the double standards and if you cannot prosecute a case against a wealthy home owner's flagpole then you shouldn't prosecute this man, so, both or neither.

As for causing an offence well, its a local flag, I am Lancashire, English and British, I have no problem with any of those flags. But if I saw an American flag or an Algerian flag then I'd ask if they were ambassadors and if not, then take that rag down and fly back to your own country and you can put it up there!
Well said cudnt av put it betta meself
[quote][p][bold]Snakestail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MissPeg[/bold] wrote: If you don't own the property then you can't really complain if the owners/people who look after it ask you to reverse something you did without gaining permission. You wouldn't put a flag pole in your work place and expect your bosses to be okay with it. Would this gentleman complain if he tried doing the same at the school and was asked to remove it? Doubtful. Just because you live there, if you don't own it, you don't get to break the rules set out for all tenants.[/p][/quote]That's a perfectly fair comment but Amir Khan's Brother has a Palestinian flag up (As reported by the BN) when he is neither Palestinian nor the Palestinian ambassador to the UK, yet the flag is on his private property and no one told him to take it down. What if he later erects a Pakistani flag, he is not the Pakistani ambassador to the UK either, what if he also puts up a Lancashire Red Rose, will anyone ask him to tear these down just because he has bought his house, Oh and did he get planning permission to erect the flag pole in the first place? Yes there is an agreement for rented property but if we are going to enforce that then shouldn't we extend it to mortgaged or bought property as well. Surely erecting a structure like a flagpole should be in common law and not just confined to rented property which is usually the lower wealth of society. So here's a law that once again picks on the least wealthy while allowing the rich to erect whatever flags they like free of legal bullying. I am not saying this fellow is right or wrong or the Bolton at Home people are right or wrong, I don't really care that much, but if it is wrong for one man to do this, then it should be wrong for everyone. Stop the double standards and if you cannot prosecute a case against a wealthy home owner's flagpole then you shouldn't prosecute this man, so, both or neither. As for causing an offence well, its a local flag, I am Lancashire, English and British, I have no problem with any of those flags. But if I saw an American flag or an Algerian flag then I'd ask if they were ambassadors and if not, then take that rag down and fly back to your own country and you can put it up there![/p][/quote]Well said cudnt av put it betta meself mumrahhhh
  • Score: 0

5:33pm Fri 8 Aug 14

mumrahhhh says...

Snakestail wrote:
MissPeg wrote:
If you don't own the property then you can't really complain if the owners/people who look after it ask you to reverse something you did without gaining permission.

You wouldn't put a flag pole in your work place and expect your bosses to be okay with it. Would this gentleman complain if he tried doing the same at the school and was asked to remove it? Doubtful. Just because you live there, if you don't own it, you don't get to break the rules set out for all tenants.
That's a perfectly fair comment but Amir Khan's Brother has a Palestinian flag up (As reported by the BN) when he is neither Palestinian nor the Palestinian ambassador to the UK, yet the flag is on his private property and no one told him to take it down. What if he later erects a Pakistani flag, he is not the Pakistani ambassador to the UK either, what if he also puts up a Lancashire Red Rose, will anyone ask him to tear these down just because he has bought his house, Oh and did he get planning permission to erect the flag pole in the first place? Yes there is an agreement for rented property but if we are going to enforce that then shouldn't we extend it to mortgaged or bought property as well. Surely erecting a structure like a flagpole should be in common law and not just confined to rented property which is usually the lower wealth of society. So here's a law that once again picks on the least wealthy while allowing the rich to erect whatever flags they like free of legal bullying.

I am not saying this fellow is right or wrong or the Bolton at Home people are right or wrong, I don't really care that much, but if it is wrong for one man to do this, then it should be wrong for everyone. Stop the double standards and if you cannot prosecute a case against a wealthy home owner's flagpole then you shouldn't prosecute this man, so, both or neither.

As for causing an offence well, its a local flag, I am Lancashire, English and British, I have no problem with any of those flags. But if I saw an American flag or an Algerian flag then I'd ask if they were ambassadors and if not, then take that rag down and fly back to your own country and you can put it up there!
Well said cudnt av put it betta meself
[quote][p][bold]Snakestail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MissPeg[/bold] wrote: If you don't own the property then you can't really complain if the owners/people who look after it ask you to reverse something you did without gaining permission. You wouldn't put a flag pole in your work place and expect your bosses to be okay with it. Would this gentleman complain if he tried doing the same at the school and was asked to remove it? Doubtful. Just because you live there, if you don't own it, you don't get to break the rules set out for all tenants.[/p][/quote]That's a perfectly fair comment but Amir Khan's Brother has a Palestinian flag up (As reported by the BN) when he is neither Palestinian nor the Palestinian ambassador to the UK, yet the flag is on his private property and no one told him to take it down. What if he later erects a Pakistani flag, he is not the Pakistani ambassador to the UK either, what if he also puts up a Lancashire Red Rose, will anyone ask him to tear these down just because he has bought his house, Oh and did he get planning permission to erect the flag pole in the first place? Yes there is an agreement for rented property but if we are going to enforce that then shouldn't we extend it to mortgaged or bought property as well. Surely erecting a structure like a flagpole should be in common law and not just confined to rented property which is usually the lower wealth of society. So here's a law that once again picks on the least wealthy while allowing the rich to erect whatever flags they like free of legal bullying. I am not saying this fellow is right or wrong or the Bolton at Home people are right or wrong, I don't really care that much, but if it is wrong for one man to do this, then it should be wrong for everyone. Stop the double standards and if you cannot prosecute a case against a wealthy home owner's flagpole then you shouldn't prosecute this man, so, both or neither. As for causing an offence well, its a local flag, I am Lancashire, English and British, I have no problem with any of those flags. But if I saw an American flag or an Algerian flag then I'd ask if they were ambassadors and if not, then take that rag down and fly back to your own country and you can put it up there![/p][/quote]Well said cudnt av put it betta meself mumrahhhh
  • Score: -1

5:33pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Citizen Cane says...

Caretaking must pay really well if you can afford 5 children and still have cash left over to pay for flagpoles. No wonder our taxes are sky-high. I wasn't aware that high income earners were entitled to social housing? Are the teachers driving Bentleys at that academy? There must be something wrong with this article - it just doesn't make sense. Can anyone shed any light?
Caretaking must pay really well if you can afford 5 children and still have cash left over to pay for flagpoles. No wonder our taxes are sky-high. I wasn't aware that high income earners were entitled to social housing? Are the teachers driving Bentleys at that academy? There must be something wrong with this article - it just doesn't make sense. Can anyone shed any light? Citizen Cane
  • Score: -2

6:08pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Tim Burr says...

All he needs to do is ask for permission for his pole and abide by the rules. In the meanwhile, a Jolly Roger would be nice.
All he needs to do is ask for permission for his pole and abide by the rules. In the meanwhile, a Jolly Roger would be nice. Tim Burr
  • Score: 7

6:10pm Fri 8 Aug 14

chrisb72 says...

IvanCamposHair wrote:
Some people obviously haven't read the article or are wilfully ignoring the parts that suit your agenda.

Bolton at Home have not said he cannot put the flag pole up, just that he needs to ask permission and make sure it meets a certain safety standard.

It is about liability if something falls on someone, surely a school caretaker should understand that.
You are right its not about the flag its about the pole and H&S. How many tenants do poor DIY jobs and how many injuries are caused as a result. Bolton at Home has every reason to ask tenants to put in permission for DIY. It annoys me when people go off on a tangent and miss the whole point in the first place.
[quote][p][bold]IvanCamposHair[/bold] wrote: Some people obviously haven't read the article or are wilfully ignoring the parts that suit your agenda. Bolton at Home have not said he cannot put the flag pole up, just that he needs to ask permission and make sure it meets a certain safety standard. It is about liability if something falls on someone, surely a school caretaker should understand that.[/p][/quote]You are right its not about the flag its about the pole and H&S. How many tenants do poor DIY jobs and how many injuries are caused as a result. Bolton at Home has every reason to ask tenants to put in permission for DIY. It annoys me when people go off on a tangent and miss the whole point in the first place. chrisb72
  • Score: 7

6:14pm Fri 8 Aug 14

mr.mark.c says...

Percy Thrower wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
Percy Thrower wrote:
JohnR1 wrote:
In the photos, the Union Flag is upside-down. Some patriot if he doesn't know which way to fly his national emblem.
I think you will find that you are wrong.

http://resources.woo



dlands-junior.kent.s



ch.uk/geography/unio



njack7.html
How can you say a person is wrong and then provide a link proving that they are correct?
The mind boggles and yes it's the wrong way up.
He has the flag the same way up as the correct way in the link. Explain to me how it is the wrong way up then
Stick to gardening as you are not very observant when it comes to our Nations flag.
[quote][p][bold]Percy Thrower[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Percy Thrower[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JohnR1[/bold] wrote: In the photos, the Union Flag is upside-down. Some patriot if he doesn't know which way to fly his national emblem.[/p][/quote]I think you will find that you are wrong. http://resources.woo dlands-junior.kent.s ch.uk/geography/unio njack7.html[/p][/quote]How can you say a person is wrong and then provide a link proving that they are correct? The mind boggles and yes it's the wrong way up.[/p][/quote]He has the flag the same way up as the correct way in the link. Explain to me how it is the wrong way up then[/p][/quote]Stick to gardening as you are not very observant when it comes to our Nations flag. mr.mark.c
  • Score: 1

6:16pm Fri 8 Aug 14

boydell says...

mazxxx wrote:
Think its mad how u are not allowed to be proud of where u come from and the government wonder why the english av a bad name its because we av to bow down to everythin and everyone omg its a flag its not like he got some body flying there leave the man alone and let us english people try to be proud of where we come from
Good grief mazxxx, where did you learn to spell? Or maybe there some letters/full stops and commas missing from your keyboard?, as well as capitals.
I think you should take a course in spelling, it might help you get a job !! Sometimes I despair when I read some postings, I honestly don't know how people get through life without being able to write properly. Maxxx states that he is proud to be English, its just a pity that he cannot write in English.
I'm sure I will get lots of thumbs down for this comment , but It will be worth it if maxxx takes it on board.
[quote][p][bold]mazxxx[/bold] wrote: Think its mad how u are not allowed to be proud of where u come from and the government wonder why the english av a bad name its because we av to bow down to everythin and everyone omg its a flag its not like he got some body flying there leave the man alone and let us english people try to be proud of where we come from[/p][/quote]Good grief mazxxx, where did you learn to spell? Or maybe there some letters/full stops and commas missing from your keyboard?, as well as capitals. I think you should take a course in spelling, it might help you get a job !! Sometimes I despair when I read some postings, I honestly don't know how people get through life without being able to write properly. Maxxx states that he is proud to be English, its just a pity that he cannot write in English. I'm sure I will get lots of thumbs down for this comment , but It will be worth it if maxxx takes it on board. boydell
  • Score: 13

6:27pm Fri 8 Aug 14

OutforNow says...

anonymus891 wrote:
Law says citizens are allowed to fly a flag on there property aslong as 1) it is on a vertical pole, and 2) the flag is flown the correct way. Lookin at the photos this guys is perfectly within in his legal RIGHTS to be flying the flag
He doesn't own the property though does he, Bolton at Home do.
That's the difference!

If you want to fly a flag without asking permission simply buy your own home!
[quote][p][bold]anonymus891[/bold] wrote: Law says citizens are allowed to fly a flag on there property aslong as 1) it is on a vertical pole, and 2) the flag is flown the correct way. Lookin at the photos this guys is perfectly within in his legal RIGHTS to be flying the flag[/p][/quote]He doesn't own the property though does he, Bolton at Home do. That's the difference! If you want to fly a flag without asking permission simply buy your own home! OutforNow
  • Score: 5

6:29pm Fri 8 Aug 14

boydell says...

JohnR1 wrote:
In the photos, the Union Flag is upside-down. Some patriot if he doesn't know which way to fly his national emblem.
I agree with JohnR1, The union flag IS upside down. The wide white band of the flag should be at the topside nearest the pole. This gentleman has his at the bottom, have another look !!
[quote][p][bold]JohnR1[/bold] wrote: In the photos, the Union Flag is upside-down. Some patriot if he doesn't know which way to fly his national emblem.[/p][/quote]I agree with JohnR1, The union flag IS upside down. The wide white band of the flag should be at the topside nearest the pole. This gentleman has his at the bottom, have another look !! boydell
  • Score: 3

6:36pm Fri 8 Aug 14

The Priceshagger says...

mazxxx wrote:
Think its mad how u are not allowed to be proud of where u come from and the government wonder why the english av a bad name its because we av to bow down to everythin and everyone omg its a flag its not like he got some body flying there leave the man alone and let us english people try to be proud of where we come from
And breathe.

FFS use some bl00dy punctuation.
[quote][p][bold]mazxxx[/bold] wrote: Think its mad how u are not allowed to be proud of where u come from and the government wonder why the english av a bad name its because we av to bow down to everythin and everyone omg its a flag its not like he got some body flying there leave the man alone and let us english people try to be proud of where we come from[/p][/quote]And breathe. FFS use some bl00dy punctuation. The Priceshagger
  • Score: 6

6:44pm Fri 8 Aug 14

nigella farrage says...

maazxx

I bet if the flag and flagpole fell on you, you would be the first to complain and ask for compensation?

Now that is being British!
maazxx I bet if the flag and flagpole fell on you, you would be the first to complain and ask for compensation? Now that is being British! nigella farrage
  • Score: 3

6:55pm Fri 8 Aug 14

gigglebox3 says...

what people fail to realise is that b@h have a process for permissions. its not rocket science! if you want to do something ask first! b@h dont unreasonably say no, they look at the request and also look at the health and safety aspect of the request and then make a decision. i t could be that some alterations have an impact on the structure of the property! they sometimes have to spend thousands of pounds putting diy jobs right! this is money that can be spent elsewhere for tenants. they also spend thousands taking tenants to court for breaching their tenancy agreements all because they couldnt be bothered to pick up the phone to ask the question............
eg am i allowed to do this?
what people fail to realise is that b@h have a process for permissions. its not rocket science! if you want to do something ask first! b@h dont unreasonably say no, they look at the request and also look at the health and safety aspect of the request and then make a decision. i t could be that some alterations have an impact on the structure of the property! they sometimes have to spend thousands of pounds putting diy jobs right! this is money that can be spent elsewhere for tenants. they also spend thousands taking tenants to court for breaching their tenancy agreements all because they couldnt be bothered to pick up the phone to ask the question............ eg am i allowed to do this? gigglebox3
  • Score: 3

9:27pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Frotage says...

wsw69 wrote:
Good luck in keeping your flags up the mast.

Here we go again! Officials who are totally p155ed with power and who cream themselves silly with the word 'ENFORCEMENT'.

Noticing who, and their job title, has signed off the letter.

Jeff Thomas

Estate Enforcement Assistant.

I bet that bloke loves his pathetic job title. Yet another f**king jobsworth at rate payers great expense.
wsw69 - I doubt whether Mr Thomas had any say over his job title. I don't think the letter was really necessary i would have thought asking the tenant to complete a permissions form for the flag pole would have been the best option. Lastly, 'Pi55ed with power' f**cking jobsworth'...really, thats quite unpleasant. Also, ' rate payers expense' ??? what is this 1975?
[quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: Good luck in keeping your flags up the mast. Here we go again! Officials who are totally p155ed with power and who cream themselves silly with the word 'ENFORCEMENT'. Noticing who, and their job title, has signed off the letter. Jeff Thomas Estate Enforcement Assistant. I bet that bloke loves his pathetic job title. Yet another f**king jobsworth at rate payers great expense.[/p][/quote]wsw69 - I doubt whether Mr Thomas had any say over his job title. I don't think the letter was really necessary i would have thought asking the tenant to complete a permissions form for the flag pole would have been the best option. Lastly, 'Pi55ed with power' f**cking jobsworth'...really, thats quite unpleasant. Also, ' rate payers expense' ??? what is this 1975? Frotage
  • Score: 2

9:29pm Fri 8 Aug 14

nigella farrage says...

The letter could have been 2nd or 3rd step. That we do not know. For all we know the bloke could already have had a couple of visits to "talk" about the flag pole and flag and make sure the tenant understood the terms and conditions of renting the property.
The letter could have been 2nd or 3rd step. That we do not know. For all we know the bloke could already have had a couple of visits to "talk" about the flag pole and flag and make sure the tenant understood the terms and conditions of renting the property. nigella farrage
  • Score: 5

10:21pm Fri 8 Aug 14

albertmodley says...

gigglebox3 wrote:
what people fail to realise is that b@h have a process for permissions. its not rocket science! if you want to do something ask first! b@h dont unreasonably say no, they look at the request and also look at the health and safety aspect of the request and then make a decision. i t could be that some alterations have an impact on the structure of the property! they sometimes have to spend thousands of pounds putting diy jobs right! this is money that can be spent elsewhere for tenants. they also spend thousands taking tenants to court for breaching their tenancy agreements all because they couldnt be bothered to pick up the phone to ask the question............

eg am i allowed to do this?
Absolutely.Case of Rules are made for everyone else to observe except me.
Parking on double yellow lines, in disabled spaces school crossings, as an example, collect a ticket, run to BN and complain, low life selfish society at its best!
[quote][p][bold]gigglebox3[/bold] wrote: what people fail to realise is that b@h have a process for permissions. its not rocket science! if you want to do something ask first! b@h dont unreasonably say no, they look at the request and also look at the health and safety aspect of the request and then make a decision. i t could be that some alterations have an impact on the structure of the property! they sometimes have to spend thousands of pounds putting diy jobs right! this is money that can be spent elsewhere for tenants. they also spend thousands taking tenants to court for breaching their tenancy agreements all because they couldnt be bothered to pick up the phone to ask the question............ eg am i allowed to do this?[/p][/quote]Absolutely.Case of Rules are made for everyone else to observe except me. Parking on double yellow lines, in disabled spaces school crossings, as an example, collect a ticket, run to BN and complain, low life selfish society at its best! albertmodley
  • Score: 3

10:39pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Beyond News Forum says...

FFS are you kidding me?

Good luck Paul mate... you are screwed... planning is only allowed if you fly the flags of other nations...

I am honestly thinking of affiliating myself to the NWI, EDL, BNP, UKIP or other non-conformist institution... this is purely because I feel fecking let down by the pr!cks in the town hall and government.
FFS are you kidding me? Good luck Paul mate... you are screwed... planning is only allowed if you fly the flags of other nations... I am honestly thinking of affiliating myself to the NWI, EDL, BNP, UKIP or other non-conformist institution... this is purely because I feel fecking let down by the pr!cks in the town hall and government. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -1

11:15pm Fri 8 Aug 14

always lancastrian says...

Percy Thrower wrote:
balicharlie wrote:
The flag looks to me to be upside down, The Lancashire rose has 5 points, one of which is at the tip i.e.12 O´clock, the flag on the photo has it at the bottom.
You are confusing as many do the Lancashire Rose with the Montrose Rose flag which is in Scotland. Both flags have been registered but I think ours is supposed to have a yellow background. The Montrose Rose is the one that is the other way up to the one in this picture, with one leaf at 12 o'clock.
Yes it should have a yellow background and the rose should rest on two 'spikes'.
The Yorkshire rose balances on one 'spike'; easy to remember as Yorkshiremen are unstable!!!
[quote][p][bold]Percy Thrower[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]balicharlie[/bold] wrote: The flag looks to me to be upside down, The Lancashire rose has 5 points, one of which is at the tip i.e.12 O´clock, the flag on the photo has it at the bottom.[/p][/quote]You are confusing as many do the Lancashire Rose with the Montrose Rose flag which is in Scotland. Both flags have been registered but I think ours is supposed to have a yellow background. The Montrose Rose is the one that is the other way up to the one in this picture, with one leaf at 12 o'clock.[/p][/quote]Yes it should have a yellow background and the rose should rest on two 'spikes'. The Yorkshire rose balances on one 'spike'; easy to remember as Yorkshiremen are unstable!!! always lancastrian
  • Score: 2

11:34pm Fri 8 Aug 14

boltonbetty says...

Citizen Cane wrote:
Caretaking must pay really well if you can afford 5 children and still have cash left over to pay for flagpoles. No wonder our taxes are sky-high. I wasn't aware that high income earners were entitled to social housing? Are the teachers driving Bentleys at that academy? There must be something wrong with this article - it just doesn't make sense. Can anyone shed any light?
What the ??? Is it really any of your business what this bloke spends his left over cash on?? Keep your beak out CC, it really isn't the issue is it?
[quote][p][bold]Citizen Cane[/bold] wrote: Caretaking must pay really well if you can afford 5 children and still have cash left over to pay for flagpoles. No wonder our taxes are sky-high. I wasn't aware that high income earners were entitled to social housing? Are the teachers driving Bentleys at that academy? There must be something wrong with this article - it just doesn't make sense. Can anyone shed any light?[/p][/quote]What the ??? Is it really any of your business what this bloke spends his left over cash on?? Keep your beak out CC, it really isn't the issue is it? boltonbetty
  • Score: -2

11:39pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Antrearden says...

chris25 wrote:
has amir still got his palestinian flag flying in his garden .
One rule for the khans another for the rest..... Have the khans not opened a charity for gaza yet...... It won't be long if not
[quote][p][bold]chris25[/bold] wrote: has amir still got his palestinian flag flying in his garden .[/p][/quote]One rule for the khans another for the rest..... Have the khans not opened a charity for gaza yet...... It won't be long if not Antrearden
  • Score: 2

12:14am Sat 9 Aug 14

wsw69 says...

Frotage wrote:
wsw69 wrote:
Good luck in keeping your flags up the mast.

Here we go again! Officials who are totally p155ed with power and who cream themselves silly with the word 'ENFORCEMENT'.

Noticing who, and their job title, has signed off the letter.

Jeff Thomas

Estate Enforcement Assistant.

I bet that bloke loves his pathetic job title. Yet another f**king jobsworth at rate payers great expense.
wsw69 - I doubt whether Mr Thomas had any say over his job title. I don't think the letter was really necessary i would have thought asking the tenant to complete a permissions form for the flag pole would have been the best option. Lastly, 'Pi55ed with power' f**cking jobsworth'...really, thats quite unpleasant. Also, ' rate payers expense' ??? what is this 1975?
I never indicated that Mr Thomas did have any say over his job title. The way the letter was just sent out to him at the first stage proves they are pi55ed with power. No idea of how to handle a situation.

The letter wasn't even addressed to him by his name. In legal terms the letter has absolutely no weight or meaning. It MUST be addressed to the tenant by their name. Surely even Bolton at Home MUST know who is inhabiting their properties.

No, it's not 1975. It's the age of enforcement, and masses of it too. It's not unpleasant, it's a FACT.
[quote][p][bold]Frotage[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: Good luck in keeping your flags up the mast. Here we go again! Officials who are totally p155ed with power and who cream themselves silly with the word 'ENFORCEMENT'. Noticing who, and their job title, has signed off the letter. Jeff Thomas Estate Enforcement Assistant. I bet that bloke loves his pathetic job title. Yet another f**king jobsworth at rate payers great expense.[/p][/quote]wsw69 - I doubt whether Mr Thomas had any say over his job title. I don't think the letter was really necessary i would have thought asking the tenant to complete a permissions form for the flag pole would have been the best option. Lastly, 'Pi55ed with power' f**cking jobsworth'...really, thats quite unpleasant. Also, ' rate payers expense' ??? what is this 1975?[/p][/quote]I never indicated that Mr Thomas did have any say over his job title. The way the letter was just sent out to him at the first stage proves they are pi55ed with power. No idea of how to handle a situation. The letter wasn't even addressed to him by his name. In legal terms the letter has absolutely no weight or meaning. It MUST be addressed to the tenant by their name. Surely even Bolton at Home MUST know who is inhabiting their properties. No, it's not 1975. It's the age of enforcement, and masses of it too. It's not unpleasant, it's a FACT. wsw69
  • Score: -1

2:51am Sat 9 Aug 14

Snakestail says...

I'm not entirely certain of this so forgive me if it is incorrect but, when you take out a mortgage to buy property, are the banks not the legal owners of that property until the mortgage is paid in full? (My apologies if that appears to be a naïve way of stating it.)

So would a home owner still paying a mortgage have to ask his/her bank for permission to erect a flag pole? There is a legal binding agreement in place there too (Just as with tenant and landlord of a rented property) but I can't imagine hearing that the NatWest bank would ask this fellow to tear down this flag pole had his property been mortgaged instead of rented.
I'm not entirely certain of this so forgive me if it is incorrect but, when you take out a mortgage to buy property, are the banks not the legal owners of that property until the mortgage is paid in full? (My apologies if that appears to be a naïve way of stating it.) So would a home owner still paying a mortgage have to ask his/her bank for permission to erect a flag pole? There is a legal binding agreement in place there too (Just as with tenant and landlord of a rented property) but I can't imagine hearing that the NatWest bank would ask this fellow to tear down this flag pole had his property been mortgaged instead of rented. Snakestail
  • Score: -1

6:59am Sat 9 Aug 14

By George says...

atlas123 wrote:
anonymus891 wrote:
Law says citizens are allowed to fly a flag on there property aslong as 1) it is on a vertical pole, and 2) the flag is flown the correct way. Lookin at the photos this guys is perfectly within in his legal RIGHTS to be flying the flag
Cite please?
The flag pole needs to be just less than 15 feet high, sound construction so it does not fall down and cause harm or property damage, note the flag shown is the Montrose flag, used to be Lancashire until recent changes when the Scots had proven that they had first registered the red rose on a white background, but the flag is allowed cos its a regional flag of Montrose so make sure that you know this when challenged , I still think the flag represents Lancashire, maybe when's the Sots go home we can have it back.
[quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]anonymus891[/bold] wrote: Law says citizens are allowed to fly a flag on there property aslong as 1) it is on a vertical pole, and 2) the flag is flown the correct way. Lookin at the photos this guys is perfectly within in his legal RIGHTS to be flying the flag[/p][/quote]Cite please?[/p][/quote]The flag pole needs to be just less than 15 feet high, sound construction so it does not fall down and cause harm or property damage, note the flag shown is the Montrose flag, used to be Lancashire until recent changes when the Scots had proven that they had first registered the red rose on a white background, but the flag is allowed cos its a regional flag of Montrose so make sure that you know this when challenged , I still think the flag represents Lancashire, maybe when's the Sots go home we can have it back. By George
  • Score: 4

7:06am Sat 9 Aug 14

Snakestail says...

I thought because we kicked the crap out of Yorkshire during Tudor times that the red rose (that won) sits heavily on top of the white rose (who lost) and Tudors were quite some time ago if I recall. Are you saying that some town in Scotland got there before that?

(Yes I understand my history is vague but it's not my best subject, nor is it accurate as history tended to be written by the winners who put their own spin on things quite often.)
I thought because we kicked the crap out of Yorkshire during Tudor times that the red rose (that won) sits heavily on top of the white rose (who lost) and Tudors were quite some time ago if I recall. Are you saying that some town in Scotland got there before that? (Yes I understand my history is vague but it's not my best subject, nor is it accurate as history tended to be written by the winners who put their own spin on things quite often.) Snakestail
  • Score: -2

7:09am Sat 9 Aug 14

By George says...

always lancastrian wrote:
Percy Thrower wrote:
balicharlie wrote:
The flag looks to me to be upside down, The Lancashire rose has 5 points, one of which is at the tip i.e.12 O´clock, the flag on the photo has it at the bottom.
You are confusing as many do the Lancashire Rose with the Montrose Rose flag which is in Scotland. Both flags have been registered but I think ours is supposed to have a yellow background. The Montrose Rose is the one that is the other way up to the one in this picture, with one leaf at 12 o'clock.
Yes it should have a yellow background and the rose should rest on two 'spikes'.
The Yorkshire rose balances on one 'spike'; easy to remember as Yorkshiremen are unstable!!!
I do believe that to take down someone's flag is an act of war, just remember we are many the authorities are the few, let's ask Boris to stand for Bolton South East in the next general election, we can then have zip wires.
[quote][p][bold]always lancastrian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Percy Thrower[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]balicharlie[/bold] wrote: The flag looks to me to be upside down, The Lancashire rose has 5 points, one of which is at the tip i.e.12 O´clock, the flag on the photo has it at the bottom.[/p][/quote]You are confusing as many do the Lancashire Rose with the Montrose Rose flag which is in Scotland. Both flags have been registered but I think ours is supposed to have a yellow background. The Montrose Rose is the one that is the other way up to the one in this picture, with one leaf at 12 o'clock.[/p][/quote]Yes it should have a yellow background and the rose should rest on two 'spikes'. The Yorkshire rose balances on one 'spike'; easy to remember as Yorkshiremen are unstable!!![/p][/quote]I do believe that to take down someone's flag is an act of war, just remember we are many the authorities are the few, let's ask Boris to stand for Bolton South East in the next general election, we can then have zip wires. By George
  • Score: 1

7:10am Sat 9 Aug 14

By George says...

Snakestail wrote:
I thought because we kicked the crap out of Yorkshire during Tudor times that the red rose (that won) sits heavily on top of the white rose (who lost) and Tudors were quite some time ago if I recall. Are you saying that some town in Scotland got there before that?

(Yes I understand my history is vague but it's not my best subject, nor is it accurate as history tended to be written by the winners who put their own spin on things quite often.)
No we lost
[quote][p][bold]Snakestail[/bold] wrote: I thought because we kicked the crap out of Yorkshire during Tudor times that the red rose (that won) sits heavily on top of the white rose (who lost) and Tudors were quite some time ago if I recall. Are you saying that some town in Scotland got there before that? (Yes I understand my history is vague but it's not my best subject, nor is it accurate as history tended to be written by the winners who put their own spin on things quite often.)[/p][/quote]No we lost By George
  • Score: 3

7:15am Sat 9 Aug 14

By George says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
FFS are you kidding me?

Good luck Paul mate... you are screwed... planning is only allowed if you fly the flags of other nations...

I am honestly thinking of affiliating myself to the NWI, EDL, BNP, UKIP or other non-conformist institution... this is purely because I feel fecking let down by the pr!cks in the town hall and government.
But you can't fly any on their flags
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: FFS are you kidding me? Good luck Paul mate... you are screwed... planning is only allowed if you fly the flags of other nations... I am honestly thinking of affiliating myself to the NWI, EDL, BNP, UKIP or other non-conformist institution... this is purely because I feel fecking let down by the pr!cks in the town hall and government.[/p][/quote]But you can't fly any on their flags By George
  • Score: 4

9:13am Sat 9 Aug 14

JustBecause says...

Antrearden wrote:
chris25 wrote:
has amir still got his palestinian flag flying in his garden .
One rule for the khans another for the rest..... Have the khans not opened a charity for gaza yet...... It won't be long if not
Not at all he owns his house, this guy rents and as such has to obide by his tenancy agreement, that's it, end of story.

The BN should have made this story about the flagpole, and the idiots on here blabbering on about flags need to read properly.

Another none story.
[quote][p][bold]Antrearden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chris25[/bold] wrote: has amir still got his palestinian flag flying in his garden .[/p][/quote]One rule for the khans another for the rest..... Have the khans not opened a charity for gaza yet...... It won't be long if not[/p][/quote]Not at all he owns his house, this guy rents and as such has to obide by his tenancy agreement, that's it, end of story. The BN should have made this story about the flagpole, and the idiots on here blabbering on about flags need to read properly. Another none story. JustBecause
  • Score: 4

9:26am Sat 9 Aug 14

alfgoater says...

I don't believe all this fuss over a flag I am a Lancashire lad and proud of it although living in Australia , if I was to put up a Lancashire rose nothing would be said or done about it , how bloody petty the council is , put your suits and ties on put on your posh accents on and get to your next council meeting and sort it out and grow up.
I don't believe all this fuss over a flag I am a Lancashire lad and proud of it although living in Australia , if I was to put up a Lancashire rose nothing would be said or done about it , how bloody petty the council is , put your suits and ties on put on your posh accents on and get to your next council meeting and sort it out and grow up. alfgoater
  • Score: 1

10:17am Sat 9 Aug 14

Ernagy2 says...

Flags are horrible things outside homes and should be taken down. No one except council buildings should be allowed to fly a flag. I would vote for any party that had that in their manifesto.
Flags are horrible things outside homes and should be taken down. No one except council buildings should be allowed to fly a flag. I would vote for any party that had that in their manifesto. Ernagy2
  • Score: 2

11:19am Sat 9 Aug 14

Bolton Loyal says...

Can't wait to put my Israel flag up
Can't wait to put my Israel flag up Bolton Loyal
  • Score: 1

11:20am Sat 9 Aug 14

LoveBolton says...

I don't see the problem with flying the flag, but he is not told he can't he just needs to get permission and make sure the pole is fitted correctly as we do live in a compensation culture, a flag pole is very heavy and if not correctly installed can cause a lot of damage or injury , but on the other hand I personally don't feel flying the British flags makes you patriotic and makes you any more British. Have British values is not about flying the flag it's about having the qualities instilled in you and your children such as showing tolerance of and respect for the rights of others,
not undermining fundamental British values, including democracy, the rule of law, individual liberty and mutual respect, and tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs, these values are not just British but are universal, many English people get defensive with such comments as made by mazxxx ...
Quote
"Think its mad how u are not allowed to be proud of where u come from and the government wonder why the english av a bad name its because we av to bow down to everythin and everyone omg its a flag its not like he got some body flying there leave the man alone and let us english people try to be proud of where we come from".

Flying the flag on a delay basis dose not make you patriotic, nor dose it make you a racist as someone has highlighted that being proud of your country dose not makes you a racist no one is saying that thomas222

No one has taken away the British way of life from anyone nor is anybody forced by the government to bow down to any other way that is something which is in an individuals mind to make them feel better because they can't have things there way always so it's just easy to blame the government and society. Being a proud British citizen is not just about flying the flag many people have forgot the core fundamentals of British values. Why not leave the flying of the flag for special occasions. Amir khan is just jumping on the band wagon with the pro Palestine cause. He just trying to earn some brownie points with his track record of breaking the law, but unfortunately like all celebrity's any race they get away with things more than the the average person, that's the way it is can we change that? I think not.
I don't see the problem with flying the flag, but he is not told he can't he just needs to get permission and make sure the pole is fitted correctly as we do live in a compensation culture, a flag pole is very heavy and if not correctly installed can cause a lot of damage or injury , but on the other hand I personally don't feel flying the British flags makes you patriotic and makes you any more British. Have British values is not about flying the flag it's about having the qualities instilled in you and your children such as showing tolerance of and respect for the rights of others, not undermining fundamental British values, including democracy, the rule of law, individual liberty and mutual respect, and tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs, these values are not just British but are universal, many English people get defensive with such comments as made by mazxxx ... Quote "Think its mad how u are not allowed to be proud of where u come from and the government wonder why the english av a bad name its because we av to bow down to everythin and everyone omg its a flag its not like he got some body flying there leave the man alone and let us english people try to be proud of where we come from". Flying the flag on a delay basis dose not make you patriotic, nor dose it make you a racist as someone has highlighted that being proud of your country dose not makes you a racist no one is saying that thomas222 No one has taken away the British way of life from anyone nor is anybody forced by the government to bow down to any other way that is something which is in an individuals mind to make them feel better because they can't have things there way always so it's just easy to blame the government and society. Being a proud British citizen is not just about flying the flag many people have forgot the core fundamentals of British values. Why not leave the flying of the flag for special occasions. Amir khan is just jumping on the band wagon with the pro Palestine cause. He just trying to earn some brownie points with his track record of breaking the law, but unfortunately like all celebrity's any race they get away with things more than the the average person, that's the way it is can we change that? I think not. LoveBolton
  • Score: 0

11:35am Sat 9 Aug 14

BibbleBobble says...

chris25 wrote:
has amir still got his palestinian flag flying in his garden .
Who gives a fcuk what that son of a Pakistani immigrant does?
[quote][p][bold]chris25[/bold] wrote: has amir still got his palestinian flag flying in his garden .[/p][/quote]Who gives a fcuk what that son of a Pakistani immigrant does? BibbleBobble
  • Score: 2

11:38am Sat 9 Aug 14

BibbleBobble says...

REPORT: 'ISIS FLAG' FLYING ON LONDON COUNCIL ESTATE, BREITBART LONDON INVESTIGATES

http://www.breitbart
.com/Breitbart-Londo
n/2014/08/08/East-Lo
ndon-Council-Estate-
and-the-ISIS-flag
REPORT: 'ISIS FLAG' FLYING ON LONDON COUNCIL ESTATE, BREITBART LONDON INVESTIGATES http://www.breitbart .com/Breitbart-Londo n/2014/08/08/East-Lo ndon-Council-Estate- and-the-ISIS-flag BibbleBobble
  • Score: 2

6:04pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Snakestail says...

LoveBolton, you forgot to add..."Complaining about the weather" and "Queueing at the Post office" are what make us British. Oh and let's not forget "Raising our voices and waving our arms about when Johnny foreigners can't even speak English"

As for the flag makes us patriotic, that seems to be something we have borrowed from the USA. Where the flag seems to come before God, Family, Government (But not cheeseburgers) and it is as shallow as Tort laws (Sue everything we can, even when it's our own stupid fault), Gang culture, guns and horrible (c) Rap music. It was never really part of British life to have personal flags except for Football games, the Queens Jubilee or kicking the Argies out of the Falklands a few years ago. Perhaps we should ban all things American and get back to being British, their overlords and original masters, oh and sue them for the Tea they dumped in Boston Harbour, that wasn't very civilized of them to do that.
LoveBolton, you forgot to add..."Complaining about the weather" and "Queueing at the Post office" are what make us British. Oh and let's not forget "Raising our voices and waving our arms about when Johnny foreigners can't even speak English" As for the flag makes us patriotic, that seems to be something we have borrowed from the USA. Where the flag seems to come before God, Family, Government (But not cheeseburgers) and it is as shallow as Tort laws (Sue everything we can, even when it's our own stupid fault), Gang culture, guns and horrible (c) Rap music. It was never really part of British life to have personal flags except for Football games, the Queens Jubilee or kicking the Argies out of the Falklands a few years ago. Perhaps we should ban all things American and get back to being British, their overlords and original masters, oh and sue them for the Tea they dumped in Boston Harbour, that wasn't very civilized of them to do that. Snakestail
  • Score: 1

6:39pm Sat 9 Aug 14

mr.mark.c says...

BibbleBobble wrote:
chris25 wrote:
has amir still got his palestinian flag flying in his garden .
Who gives a fcuk what that son of a Pakistani immigrant does?
His Dad is probably more English than you although his accent does sound more North lancs than Bolton.
I have known him as a friend for about 20 years, have you ever met him ?
[quote][p][bold]BibbleBobble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chris25[/bold] wrote: has amir still got his palestinian flag flying in his garden .[/p][/quote]Who gives a fcuk what that son of a Pakistani immigrant does?[/p][/quote]His Dad is probably more English than you although his accent does sound more North lancs than Bolton. I have known him as a friend for about 20 years, have you ever met him ? mr.mark.c
  • Score: 0

6:39pm Sat 9 Aug 14

OutforNow says...

Lancashire flag should have a yellow background and be the opposite way up.

Believe the flag shown is Montrose in Scotland (who registered the flag before Lancashire). The flag is actually the wrong way up for Lancashire but the right way up for Montrose.

http://www.lep.co.uk
/news/local/lancashi
re-flag-is-all-yello
w-1-76611
Lancashire flag should have a yellow background and be the opposite way up. Believe the flag shown is Montrose in Scotland (who registered the flag before Lancashire). The flag is actually the wrong way up for Lancashire but the right way up for Montrose. http://www.lep.co.uk /news/local/lancashi re-flag-is-all-yello w-1-76611 OutforNow
  • Score: 0

7:31pm Sat 9 Aug 14

JustBecause says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
BibbleBobble wrote:
chris25 wrote:
has amir still got his palestinian flag flying in his garden .
Who gives a fcuk what that son of a Pakistani immigrant does?
His Dad is probably more English than you although his accent does sound more North lancs than Bolton.
I have known him as a friend for about 20 years, have you ever met him ?
If he did he would be all polite, because that's what keyboard trolls do, that said he/it probably never leaves the house unless its to watch the kids play in the playground.
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BibbleBobble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chris25[/bold] wrote: has amir still got his palestinian flag flying in his garden .[/p][/quote]Who gives a fcuk what that son of a Pakistani immigrant does?[/p][/quote]His Dad is probably more English than you although his accent does sound more North lancs than Bolton. I have known him as a friend for about 20 years, have you ever met him ?[/p][/quote]If he did he would be all polite, because that's what keyboard trolls do, that said he/it probably never leaves the house unless its to watch the kids play in the playground. JustBecause
  • Score: 3

8:42pm Sat 9 Aug 14

Steven Chadwick says...

By all means he should be allowed to fly his flag without interference from Bolton, but please ensure you fly both your Lancashire and Union flags the correct way next time!
By all means he should be allowed to fly his flag without interference from Bolton, but please ensure you fly both your Lancashire and Union flags the correct way next time! Steven Chadwick
  • Score: 1

7:32am Sun 10 Aug 14

By George says...

Ernagy2 wrote:
Flags are horrible things outside homes and should be taken down. No one except council buildings should be allowed to fly a flag. I would vote for any party that had that in their manifesto.
Why
[quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: Flags are horrible things outside homes and should be taken down. No one except council buildings should be allowed to fly a flag. I would vote for any party that had that in their manifesto.[/p][/quote]Why By George
  • Score: -1

12:34am Mon 11 Aug 14

BoltonLancs says...

Ernagy2 wrote:
Flags are horrible things outside homes and should be taken down. No one except council buildings should be allowed to fly a flag. I would vote for any party that had that in their manifesto.
Would like to know what disturbs you about flags outside homes? Why only "council buildings" ???
[quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: Flags are horrible things outside homes and should be taken down. No one except council buildings should be allowed to fly a flag. I would vote for any party that had that in their manifesto.[/p][/quote]Would like to know what disturbs you about flags outside homes? Why only "council buildings" ??? BoltonLancs
  • Score: 4

12:27pm Mon 11 Aug 14

johnnyjackson says...

Snakestail wrote:
MissPeg wrote:
If you don't own the property then you can't really complain if the owners/people who look after it ask you to reverse something you did without gaining permission.

You wouldn't put a flag pole in your work place and expect your bosses to be okay with it. Would this gentleman complain if he tried doing the same at the school and was asked to remove it? Doubtful. Just because you live there, if you don't own it, you don't get to break the rules set out for all tenants.
That's a perfectly fair comment but Amir Khan's Brother has a Palestinian flag up (As reported by the BN) when he is neither Palestinian nor the Palestinian ambassador to the UK, yet the flag is on his private property and no one told him to take it down. What if he later erects a Pakistani flag, he is not the Pakistani ambassador to the UK either, what if he also puts up a Lancashire Red Rose, will anyone ask him to tear these down just because he has bought his house, Oh and did he get planning permission to erect the flag pole in the first place? Yes there is an agreement for rented property but if we are going to enforce that then shouldn't we extend it to mortgaged or bought property as well. Surely erecting a structure like a flagpole should be in common law and not just confined to rented property which is usually the lower wealth of society. So here's a law that once again picks on the least wealthy while allowing the rich to erect whatever flags they like free of legal bullying.

I am not saying this fellow is right or wrong or the Bolton at Home people are right or wrong, I don't really care that much, but if it is wrong for one man to do this, then it should be wrong for everyone. Stop the double standards and if you cannot prosecute a case against a wealthy home owner's flagpole then you shouldn't prosecute this man, so, both or neither.

As for causing an offence well, its a local flag, I am Lancashire, English and British, I have no problem with any of those flags. But if I saw an American flag or an Algerian flag then I'd ask if they were ambassadors and if not, then take that rag down and fly back to your own country and you can put it up there!
The obvious difference here being Amir Khan owns his home outright, therefore in the confinement of his property, he can do what he likes.

This man has his rent paid for by the DSS.
[quote][p][bold]Snakestail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MissPeg[/bold] wrote: If you don't own the property then you can't really complain if the owners/people who look after it ask you to reverse something you did without gaining permission. You wouldn't put a flag pole in your work place and expect your bosses to be okay with it. Would this gentleman complain if he tried doing the same at the school and was asked to remove it? Doubtful. Just because you live there, if you don't own it, you don't get to break the rules set out for all tenants.[/p][/quote]That's a perfectly fair comment but Amir Khan's Brother has a Palestinian flag up (As reported by the BN) when he is neither Palestinian nor the Palestinian ambassador to the UK, yet the flag is on his private property and no one told him to take it down. What if he later erects a Pakistani flag, he is not the Pakistani ambassador to the UK either, what if he also puts up a Lancashire Red Rose, will anyone ask him to tear these down just because he has bought his house, Oh and did he get planning permission to erect the flag pole in the first place? Yes there is an agreement for rented property but if we are going to enforce that then shouldn't we extend it to mortgaged or bought property as well. Surely erecting a structure like a flagpole should be in common law and not just confined to rented property which is usually the lower wealth of society. So here's a law that once again picks on the least wealthy while allowing the rich to erect whatever flags they like free of legal bullying. I am not saying this fellow is right or wrong or the Bolton at Home people are right or wrong, I don't really care that much, but if it is wrong for one man to do this, then it should be wrong for everyone. Stop the double standards and if you cannot prosecute a case against a wealthy home owner's flagpole then you shouldn't prosecute this man, so, both or neither. As for causing an offence well, its a local flag, I am Lancashire, English and British, I have no problem with any of those flags. But if I saw an American flag or an Algerian flag then I'd ask if they were ambassadors and if not, then take that rag down and fly back to your own country and you can put it up there![/p][/quote]The obvious difference here being Amir Khan owns his home outright, therefore in the confinement of his property, he can do what he likes. This man has his rent paid for by the DSS. johnnyjackson
  • Score: -7

12:33pm Mon 11 Aug 14

giraffe89 says...

MissPeg wrote:
If you don't own the property then you can't really complain if the owners/people who look after it ask you to reverse something you did without gaining permission. You wouldn't put a flag pole in your work place and expect your bosses to be okay with it. Would this gentleman complain if he tried doing the same at the school and was asked to remove it? Doubtful. Just because you live there, if you don't own it, you don't get to break the rules set out for all tenants.
100% agree. Bolton At Home aren't disagreeing with the flags, their issue is the way this gentleman has gone about the situation. Instead of applying for permission and following rules within his tenancy agreement he has decided to stir up a fuss about "patriotism" and "English pride" as he knows people will jump on the bandwagon.

Get permission or take it down, simple as.
[quote][p][bold]MissPeg[/bold] wrote: If you don't own the property then you can't really complain if the owners/people who look after it ask you to reverse something you did without gaining permission. You wouldn't put a flag pole in your work place and expect your bosses to be okay with it. Would this gentleman complain if he tried doing the same at the school and was asked to remove it? Doubtful. Just because you live there, if you don't own it, you don't get to break the rules set out for all tenants.[/p][/quote]100% agree. Bolton At Home aren't disagreeing with the flags, their issue is the way this gentleman has gone about the situation. Instead of applying for permission and following rules within his tenancy agreement he has decided to stir up a fuss about "patriotism" and "English pride" as he knows people will jump on the bandwagon. Get permission or take it down, simple as. giraffe89
  • Score: 3

12:33pm Mon 11 Aug 14

johnnyjackson says...

Antrearden wrote:
chris25 wrote:
has amir still got his palestinian flag flying in his garden .
One rule for the khans another for the rest..... Have the khans not opened a charity for gaza yet...... It won't be long if not
What would the issue be if he did open a charity?
[quote][p][bold]Antrearden[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chris25[/bold] wrote: has amir still got his palestinian flag flying in his garden .[/p][/quote]One rule for the khans another for the rest..... Have the khans not opened a charity for gaza yet...... It won't be long if not[/p][/quote]What would the issue be if he did open a charity? johnnyjackson
  • Score: -1

12:37pm Mon 11 Aug 14

johnnyjackson says...

BibbleBobble wrote:
chris25 wrote:
has amir still got his palestinian flag flying in his garden .
Who gives a fcuk what that son of a Pakistani immigrant does?
Trying saying that to his face.....
[quote][p][bold]BibbleBobble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chris25[/bold] wrote: has amir still got his palestinian flag flying in his garden .[/p][/quote]Who gives a fcuk what that son of a Pakistani immigrant does?[/p][/quote]Trying saying that to his face..... johnnyjackson
  • Score: 0

4:01pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Leyannekt says...

I think the point is the simple fact that by putting up this flagpole this man has DAMAGED PROPERTY THAT DOES NOT BELONG TO HIM.
That is where the issue lies.... you wouldn't go round knocking down walls or digging up the garden on someone elses property, so what makes him think he has the right to erect (what some may class as an eyesore) in the grounds of a property owned by someone else?
Absolutely nothing at all to do with patriotism or human rights.
I think the point is the simple fact that by putting up this flagpole this man has DAMAGED PROPERTY THAT DOES NOT BELONG TO HIM. That is where the issue lies.... you wouldn't go round knocking down walls or digging up the garden on someone elses property, so what makes him think he has the right to erect (what some may class as an eyesore) in the grounds of a property owned by someone else? Absolutely nothing at all to do with patriotism or human rights. Leyannekt
  • Score: 1

6:37pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Greasy Chip Butty says...

Not a problem as long its legal and lawful. Good on him.
However I have an issue with out and out racists who have hijacked the flag of St George and the Union Jack. There is a bloke who lives near me, a frequenter at all extreme right wing demos, who even puts up a stars and stripes......
Not a problem as long its legal and lawful. Good on him. However I have an issue with out and out racists who have hijacked the flag of St George and the Union Jack. There is a bloke who lives near me, a frequenter at all extreme right wing demos, who even puts up a stars and stripes...... Greasy Chip Butty
  • Score: 2

7:25pm Mon 11 Aug 14

mr.mark.c says...

johnnyjackson wrote:
Snakestail wrote:
MissPeg wrote:
If you don't own the property then you can't really complain if the owners/people who look after it ask you to reverse something you did without gaining permission.

You wouldn't put a flag pole in your work place and expect your bosses to be okay with it. Would this gentleman complain if he tried doing the same at the school and was asked to remove it? Doubtful. Just because you live there, if you don't own it, you don't get to break the rules set out for all tenants.
That's a perfectly fair comment but Amir Khan's Brother has a Palestinian flag up (As reported by the BN) when he is neither Palestinian nor the Palestinian ambassador to the UK, yet the flag is on his private property and no one told him to take it down. What if he later erects a Pakistani flag, he is not the Pakistani ambassador to the UK either, what if he also puts up a Lancashire Red Rose, will anyone ask him to tear these down just because he has bought his house, Oh and did he get planning permission to erect the flag pole in the first place? Yes there is an agreement for rented property but if we are going to enforce that then shouldn't we extend it to mortgaged or bought property as well. Surely erecting a structure like a flagpole should be in common law and not just confined to rented property which is usually the lower wealth of society. So here's a law that once again picks on the least wealthy while allowing the rich to erect whatever flags they like free of legal bullying.

I am not saying this fellow is right or wrong or the Bolton at Home people are right or wrong, I don't really care that much, but if it is wrong for one man to do this, then it should be wrong for everyone. Stop the double standards and if you cannot prosecute a case against a wealthy home owner's flagpole then you shouldn't prosecute this man, so, both or neither.

As for causing an offence well, its a local flag, I am Lancashire, English and British, I have no problem with any of those flags. But if I saw an American flag or an Algerian flag then I'd ask if they were ambassadors and if not, then take that rag down and fly back to your own country and you can put it up there!
The obvious difference here being Amir Khan owns his home outright, therefore in the confinement of his property, he can do what he likes.

This man has his rent paid for by the DSS.
He is A school caretaker
Maybe you didn't read the story thicko.
[quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Snakestail[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MissPeg[/bold] wrote: If you don't own the property then you can't really complain if the owners/people who look after it ask you to reverse something you did without gaining permission. You wouldn't put a flag pole in your work place and expect your bosses to be okay with it. Would this gentleman complain if he tried doing the same at the school and was asked to remove it? Doubtful. Just because you live there, if you don't own it, you don't get to break the rules set out for all tenants.[/p][/quote]That's a perfectly fair comment but Amir Khan's Brother has a Palestinian flag up (As reported by the BN) when he is neither Palestinian nor the Palestinian ambassador to the UK, yet the flag is on his private property and no one told him to take it down. What if he later erects a Pakistani flag, he is not the Pakistani ambassador to the UK either, what if he also puts up a Lancashire Red Rose, will anyone ask him to tear these down just because he has bought his house, Oh and did he get planning permission to erect the flag pole in the first place? Yes there is an agreement for rented property but if we are going to enforce that then shouldn't we extend it to mortgaged or bought property as well. Surely erecting a structure like a flagpole should be in common law and not just confined to rented property which is usually the lower wealth of society. So here's a law that once again picks on the least wealthy while allowing the rich to erect whatever flags they like free of legal bullying. I am not saying this fellow is right or wrong or the Bolton at Home people are right or wrong, I don't really care that much, but if it is wrong for one man to do this, then it should be wrong for everyone. Stop the double standards and if you cannot prosecute a case against a wealthy home owner's flagpole then you shouldn't prosecute this man, so, both or neither. As for causing an offence well, its a local flag, I am Lancashire, English and British, I have no problem with any of those flags. But if I saw an American flag or an Algerian flag then I'd ask if they were ambassadors and if not, then take that rag down and fly back to your own country and you can put it up there![/p][/quote]The obvious difference here being Amir Khan owns his home outright, therefore in the confinement of his property, he can do what he likes. This man has his rent paid for by the DSS.[/p][/quote]He is A school caretaker Maybe you didn't read the story thicko. mr.mark.c
  • Score: -1

9:09pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Ebola Bertie says...

johnnyjackson wrote:
BibbleBobble wrote:
chris25 wrote:
has amir still got his palestinian flag flying in his garden .
Who gives a fcuk what that son of a Pakistani immigrant does?
Trying saying that to his face.....
yeah, look what he did to those two kids the other week !!
[quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BibbleBobble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chris25[/bold] wrote: has amir still got his palestinian flag flying in his garden .[/p][/quote]Who gives a fcuk what that son of a Pakistani immigrant does?[/p][/quote]Trying saying that to his face.....[/p][/quote]yeah, look what he did to those two kids the other week !! Ebola Bertie
  • Score: 0

11:53am Tue 12 Aug 14

ReginaldLong says...

Wow, some people need to read.

This has not been requested to be taken down because it is flying a British flag. Bolton At Home are not being anti-patriotic and to all you racists asking if it would be any different if it was an Asian flag - no it wouldn't.

Rules are rules and like the first poster said, you need to ask for permission first. Take them down, get written permission, put them back up, simple. This is getting pathetic and Bolton News has somehow made a story out of absolutely nothing.
Wow, some people need to read. This has not been requested to be taken down because it is flying a British flag. Bolton At Home are not being anti-patriotic and to all you racists asking if it would be any different if it was an Asian flag - no it wouldn't. Rules are rules and like the first poster said, you need to ask for permission first. Take them down, get written permission, put them back up, simple. This is getting pathetic and Bolton News has somehow made a story out of absolutely nothing. ReginaldLong
  • Score: 5

12:33pm Tue 12 Aug 14

johnnyjackson says...

Ebola Bertie wrote:
johnnyjackson wrote:
BibbleBobble wrote:
chris25 wrote:
has amir still got his palestinian flag flying in his garden .
Who gives a fcuk what that son of a Pakistani immigrant does?
Trying saying that to his face.....
yeah, look what he did to those two kids the other week !!
To his dads face you numpty
[quote][p][bold]Ebola Bertie[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]johnnyjackson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BibbleBobble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chris25[/bold] wrote: has amir still got his palestinian flag flying in his garden .[/p][/quote]Who gives a fcuk what that son of a Pakistani immigrant does?[/p][/quote]Trying saying that to his face.....[/p][/quote]yeah, look what he did to those two kids the other week !![/p][/quote]To his dads face you numpty johnnyjackson
  • Score: 0

7:30pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Ernagy2 says...

ReginaldLong wrote:
Wow, some people need to read.

This has not been requested to be taken down because it is flying a British flag. Bolton At Home are not being anti-patriotic and to all you racists asking if it would be any different if it was an Asian flag - no it wouldn't.

Rules are rules and like the first poster said, you need to ask for permission first. Take them down, get written permission, put them back up, simple. This is getting pathetic and Bolton News has somehow made a story out of absolutely nothing.
My neighbour put his Union Jack up I complained to the council, only to be told there was nothing they could do. Explain that one
[quote][p][bold]ReginaldLong[/bold] wrote: Wow, some people need to read. This has not been requested to be taken down because it is flying a British flag. Bolton At Home are not being anti-patriotic and to all you racists asking if it would be any different if it was an Asian flag - no it wouldn't. Rules are rules and like the first poster said, you need to ask for permission first. Take them down, get written permission, put them back up, simple. This is getting pathetic and Bolton News has somehow made a story out of absolutely nothing.[/p][/quote]My neighbour put his Union Jack up I complained to the council, only to be told there was nothing they could do. Explain that one Ernagy2
  • Score: -2

7:32pm Wed 13 Aug 14

mr.mark.c says...

Ernagy2 wrote:
ReginaldLong wrote:
Wow, some people need to read.

This has not been requested to be taken down because it is flying a British flag. Bolton At Home are not being anti-patriotic and to all you racists asking if it would be any different if it was an Asian flag - no it wouldn't.

Rules are rules and like the first poster said, you need to ask for permission first. Take them down, get written permission, put them back up, simple. This is getting pathetic and Bolton News has somehow made a story out of absolutely nothing.
My neighbour put his Union Jack up I complained to the council, only to be told there was nothing they could do. Explain that one
I would be more worried about the ship in his garden.
[quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ReginaldLong[/bold] wrote: Wow, some people need to read. This has not been requested to be taken down because it is flying a British flag. Bolton At Home are not being anti-patriotic and to all you racists asking if it would be any different if it was an Asian flag - no it wouldn't. Rules are rules and like the first poster said, you need to ask for permission first. Take them down, get written permission, put them back up, simple. This is getting pathetic and Bolton News has somehow made a story out of absolutely nothing.[/p][/quote]My neighbour put his Union Jack up I complained to the council, only to be told there was nothing they could do. Explain that one[/p][/quote]I would be more worried about the ship in his garden. mr.mark.c
  • Score: -1

10:41am Thu 14 Aug 14

BoltonLoyal says...

Ernagy2 wrote:
ReginaldLong wrote:
Wow, some people need to read.

This has not been requested to be taken down because it is flying a British flag. Bolton At Home are not being anti-patriotic and to all you racists asking if it would be any different if it was an Asian flag - no it wouldn't.

Rules are rules and like the first poster said, you need to ask for permission first. Take them down, get written permission, put them back up, simple. This is getting pathetic and Bolton News has somehow made a story out of absolutely nothing.
My neighbour put his Union Jack up I complained to the council, only to be told there was nothing they could do. Explain that one
Why would your neighbour flying a Union Flag upset you?
[quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ReginaldLong[/bold] wrote: Wow, some people need to read. This has not been requested to be taken down because it is flying a British flag. Bolton At Home are not being anti-patriotic and to all you racists asking if it would be any different if it was an Asian flag - no it wouldn't. Rules are rules and like the first poster said, you need to ask for permission first. Take them down, get written permission, put them back up, simple. This is getting pathetic and Bolton News has somehow made a story out of absolutely nothing.[/p][/quote]My neighbour put his Union Jack up I complained to the council, only to be told there was nothing they could do. Explain that one[/p][/quote]Why would your neighbour flying a Union Flag upset you? BoltonLoyal
  • Score: 1

2:24pm Thu 14 Aug 14

ReginaldLong says...

Ernagy2 wrote:
ReginaldLong wrote:
Wow, some people need to read.

This has not been requested to be taken down because it is flying a British flag. Bolton At Home are not being anti-patriotic and to all you racists asking if it would be any different if it was an Asian flag - no it wouldn't.

Rules are rules and like the first poster said, you need to ask for permission first. Take them down, get written permission, put them back up, simple. This is getting pathetic and Bolton News has somehow made a story out of absolutely nothing.
My neighbour put his Union Jack up I complained to the council, only to be told there was nothing they could do. Explain that one
I'm sorry but let me wrap my head around this one, you want me to explain why you were told there was nothing they can do?

What was your reason for the complaint?

Is your neighbour in council/rented accommodation or does he own his house?
[quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ReginaldLong[/bold] wrote: Wow, some people need to read. This has not been requested to be taken down because it is flying a British flag. Bolton At Home are not being anti-patriotic and to all you racists asking if it would be any different if it was an Asian flag - no it wouldn't. Rules are rules and like the first poster said, you need to ask for permission first. Take them down, get written permission, put them back up, simple. This is getting pathetic and Bolton News has somehow made a story out of absolutely nothing.[/p][/quote]My neighbour put his Union Jack up I complained to the council, only to be told there was nothing they could do. Explain that one[/p][/quote]I'm sorry but let me wrap my head around this one, you want me to explain why you were told there was nothing they can do? What was your reason for the complaint? Is your neighbour in council/rented accommodation or does he own his house? ReginaldLong
  • Score: 1

5:29pm Thu 14 Aug 14

tommie1shunt says...

Personally, I really don't give a monkeys and after reading the comments on here am glad I don't.
Personally, I really don't give a monkeys and after reading the comments on here am glad I don't. tommie1shunt
  • Score: 1

10:17am Sun 17 Aug 14

GreatLever says...

Dad of 5! Yet lives in Social Housing....... living beyond his means?

Bring on benefit caps based on number of children you have.
Dad of 5! Yet lives in Social Housing....... living beyond his means? Bring on benefit caps based on number of children you have. GreatLever
  • Score: 1

10:18am Sun 17 Aug 14

GreatLever says...

I.careless2 wrote:
I applied to have a 6x8 garden shed put up in my council garden and it was approved with the proviso I could have a shed as long as it did not go larger than half the size of my garden

ha ha score for me then.. my garden is 75ft x 40 foot what a shed I can have and I already have approval for it in writing.
maybe they need to review their paperwork for approvals or rather who does the approving
If you can afford to have shed why are you in Social Housing?
[quote][p][bold]I.careless2[/bold] wrote: I applied to have a 6x8 garden shed put up in my council garden and it was approved with the proviso I could have a shed as long as it did not go larger than half the size of my garden ha ha score for me then.. my garden is 75ft x 40 foot what a shed I can have and I already have approval for it in writing. maybe they need to review their paperwork for approvals or rather who does the approving[/p][/quote]If you can afford to have shed why are you in Social Housing? GreatLever
  • Score: 0

12:50am Thu 21 Aug 14

johnnykilroy4 says...

If it was a ethnic persons house with there country's flag Bolton at home would not say anything they be scared to be branded as racist
If it was a ethnic persons house with there country's flag Bolton at home would not say anything they be scared to be branded as racist johnnykilroy4
  • Score: 0

12:32pm Fri 22 Aug 14

British Kuffir says...

If the flag-pole was flying the Black Flag of Islam, or the Gaza banner, they wouldn't dare tell him to remove it.
If the flag-pole was flying the Black Flag of Islam, or the Gaza banner, they wouldn't dare tell him to remove it. British Kuffir
  • Score: 0

12:36pm Fri 22 Aug 14

British Kuffir says...

BibbleBobble wrote:
chris25 wrote:
has amir still got his palestinian flag flying in his garden .
Who gives a fcuk what that son of a Pakistani immigrant does?
The Khans have special dispensation to do all sorts of things, like slagging us off, slaughtering animals against the normal humane killing regulations. And so on and so on.
[quote][p][bold]BibbleBobble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chris25[/bold] wrote: has amir still got his palestinian flag flying in his garden .[/p][/quote]Who gives a fcuk what that son of a Pakistani immigrant does?[/p][/quote]The Khans have special dispensation to do all sorts of things, like slagging us off, slaughtering animals against the normal humane killing regulations. And so on and so on. British Kuffir
  • Score: 2

12:37pm Fri 22 Aug 14

British Kuffir says...

Brian the Lion wrote:
mumrahhhh wrote:
I say wat next .......ban this ban the other ....
I think they may have trouble trying to ban "the other".
Won't stop them trying.
[quote][p][bold]Brian the Lion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mumrahhhh[/bold] wrote: I say wat next .......ban this ban the other ....[/p][/quote]I think they may have trouble trying to ban "the other".[/p][/quote]Won't stop them trying. British Kuffir
  • Score: 0

12:40pm Fri 22 Aug 14

British Kuffir says...

SleepingThunder wrote:
Looks better than the poundland George cross flags & bunting some houses still have up from world cup.
Put a Palestine flag up see if that stops them moaning :@
I down-thumbed you because of your comment about the St.Georges Cross, because I fly one although it has nothing to do with football or any other sport.
But I am in total agreement about the Palestine rag.
[quote][p][bold]SleepingThunder[/bold] wrote: Looks better than the poundland George cross flags & bunting some houses still have up from world cup. Put a Palestine flag up see if that stops them moaning :@[/p][/quote]I down-thumbed you because of your comment about the St.Georges Cross, because I fly one although it has nothing to do with football or any other sport. But I am in total agreement about the Palestine rag. British Kuffir
  • Score: 0

12:42pm Fri 22 Aug 14

British Kuffir says...

Djorkaeff's right peg wrote:
This is bureaucratic insanity! The town is more cosmopolitan than ever and people should be able to demonstrate their patriotism freely. Mr Rushton is not affiliated with any right wing extremist organisations and is simply a proud man who works and contributes to the system.

Maybe Bolton at Home should focus on their lenient tenancy criteria that allows juvenile delinquents to take up residency, breed like vermin and contribute to nothing! Johnson Fold is unfortunately synonymous with such a breed and it's a shame really, because their are some terrific people who live there.

Lest we forget!

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
Hear Hear !
[quote][p][bold]Djorkaeff's right peg[/bold] wrote: This is bureaucratic insanity! The town is more cosmopolitan than ever and people should be able to demonstrate their patriotism freely. Mr Rushton is not affiliated with any right wing extremist organisations and is simply a proud man who works and contributes to the system. Maybe Bolton at Home should focus on their lenient tenancy criteria that allows juvenile delinquents to take up residency, breed like vermin and contribute to nothing! Johnson Fold is unfortunately synonymous with such a breed and it's a shame really, because their are some terrific people who live there. Lest we forget! In Flanders fields the poppies blow Between the crosses, row on row, That mark our place; and in the sky The larks, still bravely singing, fly Scarce heard amid the guns below. We are the Dead. Short days ago We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow, Loved and were loved, and now we lie In Flanders fields. Take up our quarrel with the foe: To you from failing hands we throw The torch; be yours to hold it high. If ye break faith with us who die We shall not sleep, though poppies grow In Flanders fields.[/p][/quote]Hear Hear ! British Kuffir
  • Score: 0

12:45pm Fri 22 Aug 14

British Kuffir says...

Bolton Loyal wrote:
Can't wait to put my Israel flag up
Take care! If the islamo-nazis don't tear it down, the Council will, on their behalf.
[quote][p][bold]Bolton Loyal[/bold] wrote: Can't wait to put my Israel flag up[/p][/quote]Take care! If the islamo-nazis don't tear it down, the Council will, on their behalf. British Kuffir
  • Score: 0

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