Bins in Bury could be emptied once every three weeks

Bins in Bury could be emptied once every three weeks

Bins in Bury could be emptied once every three weeks

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HOUSEHOLDERS in Bury are set to become the first in England to have their grey bins emptied once every three weeks under ambitious plans to create a “zero waste” borough.

Recycling bins will be emptied more frequently as council bosses strive to push recycling rates up from 47.6 per cent to 60 per cent or more by March, 2016.

Grey bins, which cater for nonrecyclable household waste, are currently emptied every two weeks.

The changes would make annual savings of £862,000 in waste treatment and disposal costs and will be introduced from early October.

Council chiefs will embark on a series of publicity drives, such as neighbourhood roadshows, onlinequestions and answers, and deliveries of information packs and leaflets to individual homes.

Cllr Tony Isherwood, cabinet member for the environment, said: ““Under the new proposals, most households will continue to have a collection of at least one type of waste every week.

“Grey bins will be emptied less often but, because the green and blue recycling bins will be collected more often, there will be no change to the total weekly bin space available across all four bins.

“Treatment and disposal of waste from grey bins costs us about £28,000 per day — that’s £10.2 million per year. A lot of this waste could be recycled instead.”

Under the Bury Zero Waste Strategy, there will be changes in the way household bins are collected. The recommendations are:

■ Grey bins (for waste that cannot be recycled) to be emptied once every three weeks — instead of two

■ Green bins (for paper and cardboard) to be emptied once every three weeks — instead of four

■ Blue bins (for plastic bottles, glass bottles and jars, food-and-drink cans, aerosol cans and aluminium foil) to be emptied once every three weeks — instead of four

■ Brown bins (for garden waste and food waste) to be emptied once every two weeks — as they are now.

Under the new arrangements, larger families with extra nonrecyclable waste, such as disposable nappies, will be able to apply for an extra grey bin.

Extra blue and green recycling bins can also be requested. Any household with one of the smaller brown bins will be able to ask for a larger one.

Underlining the aims and importance of the “zero waste”strategy,

Cllr Isherwood added: “In the last three years Bury’s recycling rate has risen from 29.4 per cent to 47.6 per cent but, given that studies show it’s actually possible to recycle 75 per cent, we know we can and must do more.

“Recycling just 10 per cent more than we do now would save nearly £1 million per year: that’s a lot of money which would be better spent on protecting other local services.

“If the system gets the go-ahead, residents can be assured that we’ll be doing everything we can to smooth the changes for everyone and helping to remove any barriers to recycling that residents may have.

"This will help improve our recycling rates and make Bury a better place.”

Bury could become the first English authority to switch grey bin collections every three weeks, following similar announcements by councils in Gwynedd, Wales, and Falkirk in Scotland.

Asked if Bury could fall foul of the government, in wake of Communities Secretary Eric Pickles wanting councils to resume weekly bin collections, Cllr Isherwood responded: “We have checked on that and we can do this legally. Obviously, we didn’t want to announce something deemed illegal.”

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1:54pm Thu 10 Jul 14

AlecTPR says...

"Subject to approval at a Bury Cabinet meeting next Wednesday, the changes to the collection service will be introduced from early October."

Sounds like already going ahead?
"Subject to approval at a Bury Cabinet meeting next Wednesday, the changes to the collection service will be introduced from early October." Sounds like already going ahead? AlecTPR
  • Score: 12

2:32pm Thu 10 Jul 14

andie99uk says...

I just hope they actually do empty them.
We've lost count of the number of times our bins have been out on time & they are still full at the end of the week.
You call the council (as they suggest) and all they do is send you out some bags to carry on recycling with.
Whats the point if they have trouble with the way it's done at the moment?
I just hope they actually do empty them. We've lost count of the number of times our bins have been out on time & they are still full at the end of the week. You call the council (as they suggest) and all they do is send you out some bags to carry on recycling with. Whats the point if they have trouble with the way it's done at the moment? andie99uk
  • Score: 16

2:50pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Buryboy1986 says...

We should post all the councillors names, addresses, phone numbers etc on to the Internet and allow people to voice their concerns directly! See how they like it.
We should post all the councillors names, addresses, phone numbers etc on to the Internet and allow people to voice their concerns directly! See how they like it. Buryboy1986
  • Score: 12

3:24pm Thu 10 Jul 14

TroyTempest says...

Buryboy1986 - Your wish is my command.

Contact details
Councillors
Councillor Paul Adams
56 Ennerdale Drive
Unsworth
Bury
BL9 8HU
07970711841

Councillor Daisy Bailey
69 Bury Street
Radcliffe
Manchester
M26 2GB
0161 723 5272
07808810767 d.bailey@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Matt Bailey
69 Bury Street
Radcliffe
Manchester
M26 2GB
0161 723 5272
07500667799 m.bailey@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Noel Bayley
17 Beverley Close
Whitefield
M45 8BB
0161 796 1690 n.bayley@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Ian Bevan
438 Whalley Road
Shuttleworth
BL0 0EG
07754301814 i.bevan@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Jane Black
62 Clifton Road
Prestwich
M25 3HR
0161 773 3744
07805154822 j.black@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Sharon Briggs
10 Old Oak Close
Bradley Fold
BL2 6SF
01204 795 430 s.briggs@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Peter Bury
102 Manchester Road
Bury
BL9 0TH
0161 764 9059 p.bury@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Gill Campbell
13 Pine Grove
Prestwich
M25 3DR
0161 773 9158 g.campbell@bury.gov.
uk

Councillor Simon Carter
18 Rosewood Avenue
Tottington
Bury
BL8 3HG
01204 880758 s.carter@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Robert Caserta
4 Woodthorpe Court
Prestwich
M25 0NP
0161 720 7564 r.caserta@bury.gov.u
k

Councillor Dorothy Cassidy
7 Poplar Avenue
Bury
BL9 7QU
0161 764 9716
07719276504 d.cassidy@bury.gov.u
k

Councillor Mike Connolly
88 Topping Fold Road
Bury
BL9 7NS
0161 764 9924

Councillor Tony Cummings
18 Marsden Walk
Radcliffe
M26 3RH
0161 723 2436
07763834938 a.j.cummings@bury.go
v.uk

Councillor James Daly
42 The Drive
Bury
BL9 5DG
0161 763 4204
j.daly@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Elizabeth Fitzgerald
C/O Town Hall, Knowsley Street, Bury, BL9 0SW
07875992053 e.fitzgerald@bury.go
v.uk

Councillor Luise Fitzwalter
115 Holcombe Old Road
Bury
BL8 4NF
07845949058 l.fitzwalter@bury.go
v.uk

Councillor James Frith
2 Ashbourne Court
Whalley Road
BL0 0DG
01204 883823 j.frith@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Iain Gartside
16 The Drive
BL9 5DG
0161 797 3312 i.gartside@bury.gov.
uk

Councillor Joan Grimshaw
51 Heathfield Road
BL9 8HB
0161 766 3369 j.grimshaw@bury.gov.
uk

Councillor Dorothy Gunther
10 Crosfield Avenue
BL9 5NX
01707 825523 d.gunther@bury.gov.u
k

Councillor Shaheena Haroon
20 Cook Street
BL2 0RP
0161 797 4291 07791675043

Councillor Paddy Heneghan
32 Poppythorn Lane
M25 3BY
07747391460 p.heneghan@bury.gov.
uk

Councillor Robert Hodkinson
7 Whittingham Drive
Ramsbottom
Bury
BL0 9LZ
07808775641

Councillor Trevor Holt
29 Claughton Road
BL8 3BS
01204 885 898 t.holt@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Khalid Hussain
21 Inman Street
BL9 0TP
0161 7640924 k.hussain@bury.gov.u
k

Councillor Tony Isherwood
20 Harper Fold Close
M26 3UQ
0161 724 5063 a.isherwood@bury.gov
.uk

Councillor Michael James
9 St Margarets Close
M25 2LY
0161 798 8651 m.james@bury.gov.uk

Councillor David Jones
4 Heathfield Road
BL9 8HB
0161 766 8548
07711340481 d.jones@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Sarah Kerrison
C/O Town Hall, Knowsley Street, Bury, BL9 0SW
07910131403 s.kerrison@bury.gov.
uk

Councillor Jane Lewis
18 Rosewood Avenue, Tottington, Bury, BL8 3HG
01204 880758 j.lewis@bury.gov.uk

Councillor John Mallon
22 Cromwell Road
Whitefield
Manchester
M45 7RQ
0161 796 8788 j.mallon@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Alan Matthews
38 Modehill Lane
M45 8JH
0161 796 9496 a.matthews@bury.gov.
uk

Councillor Susan Nuttall
Miryfields Cottage
Cann Street
BL8 3PE
01204 885794 s.nuttall@bury.gov.u
k

Councillor Eamonn O'Brien
133 Butterstile Lane
Prestwich
Manchester
M25 9UW
0161 773 2448 e.o’brien@bury.gov
.uk

Councillor Nick Parnell
18 Billberry Close
M45 8BL
0161 796 7780 n.parnell@bury.gov.u
k

Councillor Tim Pickstone
37 Russell Street
M25 1GU
07976831686 t.pickstone@bury.gov
.uk

Councillor Alan Quinn
50 Whittaker Lane
M25 1FX
0161 798 8209 a.quinn@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Keith Rothwell
18 Kestrel Drive
BL9 6JE
0161 764 0827 k.rothwell@bury.gov.
uk

Councillor Rishi Shori
C/O Town Hall, Knowsley Street, Bury, BL9 0SW
07809862561
07809862561 r.shori@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Andrea Simpson
42 Merton Road
M25 1PL
0161 773 3432 a.simpson@bury.gov.u
k

Councillor John Smith
116 Ainsworth Road
BL8 2RX
0161 761 3597 j.smith@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Stella Smith
116 Ainsworth Road
BL8 2RX
0161 761 3597 s.smith@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Susan Southworth
4 Primrose Court, Bury
Bury
BL9 7EZ
07815761493 s.southworth@bury.go
v.uk

Councillor Tamoor Tariq
59 Gigg Lane
BL9 9HU
07886198769 t.tariq@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Roy Walker
22 Freckleton Drive
BL8 2JA
0161 764 8809 r.walker@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Sandra Walmsley
c/o Town Hall,
Knowsley Street
Bury
BL9 0SW s.walmsley@bury.gov.
uk

Councillor Jack Walton
229 Sunnybank Road
BL9 8JU
0161 766 9020 j.walton@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Mary Whitby
14 Hampden Road
Prestwich
Manchester
M25 1LG
0161 773 6665 m.whitby@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Michelle Wiseman
C/O Town Hall, Knowsley Street, Bury, BL9 0SW
0161 766 3784
07885221136 m.j.wiseman@bury.gov
.uk

Councillor Yvonne Wright
516 Whalley Road
BL0 0ES
01706 823 536
07762116437 y.wright@bury.gov.uk
Buryboy1986 - Your wish is my command. Contact details Councillors Councillor Paul Adams 56 Ennerdale Drive Unsworth Bury BL9 8HU 07970711841 Councillor Daisy Bailey 69 Bury Street Radcliffe Manchester M26 2GB 0161 723 5272 07808810767 d.bailey@bury.gov.uk Councillor Matt Bailey 69 Bury Street Radcliffe Manchester M26 2GB 0161 723 5272 07500667799 m.bailey@bury.gov.uk Councillor Noel Bayley 17 Beverley Close Whitefield M45 8BB 0161 796 1690 n.bayley@bury.gov.uk Councillor Ian Bevan 438 Whalley Road Shuttleworth BL0 0EG 07754301814 i.bevan@bury.gov.uk Councillor Jane Black 62 Clifton Road Prestwich M25 3HR 0161 773 3744 07805154822 j.black@bury.gov.uk Councillor Sharon Briggs 10 Old Oak Close Bradley Fold BL2 6SF 01204 795 430 s.briggs@bury.gov.uk Councillor Peter Bury 102 Manchester Road Bury BL9 0TH 0161 764 9059 p.bury@bury.gov.uk Councillor Gill Campbell 13 Pine Grove Prestwich M25 3DR 0161 773 9158 g.campbell@bury.gov. uk Councillor Simon Carter 18 Rosewood Avenue Tottington Bury BL8 3HG 01204 880758 s.carter@bury.gov.uk Councillor Robert Caserta 4 Woodthorpe Court Prestwich M25 0NP 0161 720 7564 r.caserta@bury.gov.u k Councillor Dorothy Cassidy 7 Poplar Avenue Bury BL9 7QU 0161 764 9716 07719276504 d.cassidy@bury.gov.u k Councillor Mike Connolly 88 Topping Fold Road Bury BL9 7NS 0161 764 9924 Councillor Tony Cummings 18 Marsden Walk Radcliffe M26 3RH 0161 723 2436 07763834938 a.j.cummings@bury.go v.uk Councillor James Daly 42 The Drive Bury BL9 5DG 0161 763 4204 j.daly@bury.gov.uk Councillor Elizabeth Fitzgerald C/O Town Hall, Knowsley Street, Bury, BL9 0SW 07875992053 e.fitzgerald@bury.go v.uk Councillor Luise Fitzwalter 115 Holcombe Old Road Bury BL8 4NF 07845949058 l.fitzwalter@bury.go v.uk Councillor James Frith 2 Ashbourne Court Whalley Road BL0 0DG 01204 883823 j.frith@bury.gov.uk Councillor Iain Gartside 16 The Drive BL9 5DG 0161 797 3312 i.gartside@bury.gov. uk Councillor Joan Grimshaw 51 Heathfield Road BL9 8HB 0161 766 3369 j.grimshaw@bury.gov. uk Councillor Dorothy Gunther 10 Crosfield Avenue BL9 5NX 01707 825523 d.gunther@bury.gov.u k Councillor Shaheena Haroon 20 Cook Street BL2 0RP 0161 797 4291 07791675043 Councillor Paddy Heneghan 32 Poppythorn Lane M25 3BY 07747391460 p.heneghan@bury.gov. uk Councillor Robert Hodkinson 7 Whittingham Drive Ramsbottom Bury BL0 9LZ 07808775641 Councillor Trevor Holt 29 Claughton Road BL8 3BS 01204 885 898 t.holt@bury.gov.uk Councillor Khalid Hussain 21 Inman Street BL9 0TP 0161 7640924 k.hussain@bury.gov.u k Councillor Tony Isherwood 20 Harper Fold Close M26 3UQ 0161 724 5063 a.isherwood@bury.gov .uk Councillor Michael James 9 St Margarets Close M25 2LY 0161 798 8651 m.james@bury.gov.uk Councillor David Jones 4 Heathfield Road BL9 8HB 0161 766 8548 07711340481 d.jones@bury.gov.uk Councillor Sarah Kerrison C/O Town Hall, Knowsley Street, Bury, BL9 0SW 07910131403 s.kerrison@bury.gov. uk Councillor Jane Lewis 18 Rosewood Avenue, Tottington, Bury, BL8 3HG 01204 880758 j.lewis@bury.gov.uk Councillor John Mallon 22 Cromwell Road Whitefield Manchester M45 7RQ 0161 796 8788 j.mallon@bury.gov.uk Councillor Alan Matthews 38 Modehill Lane M45 8JH 0161 796 9496 a.matthews@bury.gov. uk Councillor Susan Nuttall Miryfields Cottage Cann Street BL8 3PE 01204 885794 s.nuttall@bury.gov.u k Councillor Eamonn O'Brien 133 Butterstile Lane Prestwich Manchester M25 9UW 0161 773 2448 e.o’brien@bury.gov .uk Councillor Nick Parnell 18 Billberry Close M45 8BL 0161 796 7780 n.parnell@bury.gov.u k Councillor Tim Pickstone 37 Russell Street M25 1GU 07976831686 t.pickstone@bury.gov .uk Councillor Alan Quinn 50 Whittaker Lane M25 1FX 0161 798 8209 a.quinn@bury.gov.uk Councillor Keith Rothwell 18 Kestrel Drive BL9 6JE 0161 764 0827 k.rothwell@bury.gov. uk Councillor Rishi Shori C/O Town Hall, Knowsley Street, Bury, BL9 0SW 07809862561 07809862561 r.shori@bury.gov.uk Councillor Andrea Simpson 42 Merton Road M25 1PL 0161 773 3432 a.simpson@bury.gov.u k Councillor John Smith 116 Ainsworth Road BL8 2RX 0161 761 3597 j.smith@bury.gov.uk Councillor Stella Smith 116 Ainsworth Road BL8 2RX 0161 761 3597 s.smith@bury.gov.uk Councillor Susan Southworth 4 Primrose Court, Bury Bury BL9 7EZ 07815761493 s.southworth@bury.go v.uk Councillor Tamoor Tariq 59 Gigg Lane BL9 9HU 07886198769 t.tariq@bury.gov.uk Councillor Roy Walker 22 Freckleton Drive BL8 2JA 0161 764 8809 r.walker@bury.gov.uk Councillor Sandra Walmsley c/o Town Hall, Knowsley Street Bury BL9 0SW s.walmsley@bury.gov. uk Councillor Jack Walton 229 Sunnybank Road BL9 8JU 0161 766 9020 j.walton@bury.gov.uk Councillor Mary Whitby 14 Hampden Road Prestwich Manchester M25 1LG 0161 773 6665 m.whitby@bury.gov.uk Councillor Michelle Wiseman C/O Town Hall, Knowsley Street, Bury, BL9 0SW 0161 766 3784 07885221136 m.j.wiseman@bury.gov .uk Councillor Yvonne Wright 516 Whalley Road BL0 0ES 01706 823 536 07762116437 y.wright@bury.gov.uk TroyTempest
  • Score: 28

3:35pm Thu 10 Jul 14

AlecTPR says...

with so many of these Councillors having an address as c/o Town Hall, does this mean they are on the homeless register?
with so many of these Councillors having an address as c/o Town Hall, does this mean they are on the homeless register? AlecTPR
  • Score: 14

3:43pm Thu 10 Jul 14

BuryB&B says...

Bury MBC have got this completely the wrong way round! I rigorously segregate my waste into the correct bins however most times the recyclable bins are only 1/2 full when due for collection however my general waste bin is usual close to full.
It would be better if the grey bins are continued to be collected every 2nd week and collect the others once a month (or every 6 weeks).
Bury MBC have got this completely the wrong way round! I rigorously segregate my waste into the correct bins however most times the recyclable bins are only 1/2 full when due for collection however my general waste bin is usual close to full. It would be better if the grey bins are continued to be collected every 2nd week and collect the others once a month (or every 6 weeks). BuryB&B
  • Score: 18

3:59pm Thu 10 Jul 14

bury mad says...

If this goes through I guarantee that I will never vote for ANY of them ever again. It is a matter that certainly was not in the council manifestos or publicity at election time only a couple of months ago.

I am sick to the back teeth of this council slicing back essential services in the name of 'cuts' or 'green' issues whilst they waste money on parking restrictions, unnecessary road markings, residents only zones, blanket 20mph zones, LED street lights and fancy sculptures.

The council can't be bothered to cut the grass on Walkers field, repair the roads, trim the trees and now they want to dodge emptying the bins. It really is about time that polititians got their priorities right and remembered that they are elected to serve the electors of this borough.

Our MPs (and prospective MPs) are just as bad - if they had anything about them they would bring in a law to prevent this blatant abuse of the towns residents. We are paying for a service - and that service should be protected by law.
If this goes through I guarantee that I will never vote for ANY of them ever again. It is a matter that certainly was not in the council manifestos or publicity at election time only a couple of months ago. I am sick to the back teeth of this council slicing back essential services in the name of 'cuts' or 'green' issues whilst they waste money on parking restrictions, unnecessary road markings, residents only zones, blanket 20mph zones, LED street lights and fancy sculptures. The council can't be bothered to cut the grass on Walkers field, repair the roads, trim the trees and now they want to dodge emptying the bins. It really is about time that polititians got their priorities right and remembered that they are elected to serve the electors of this borough. Our MPs (and prospective MPs) are just as bad - if they had anything about them they would bring in a law to prevent this blatant abuse of the towns residents. We are paying for a service - and that service should be protected by law. bury mad
  • Score: 32

3:59pm Thu 10 Jul 14

mbbsspmg says...

If anyone has got 3 week old nappies, we know which bins to dump them in now - let them have the smell, not us. Oh, and do we get a reduction in Council Tax for a reduction in services - like hell we do.
If anyone has got 3 week old nappies, we know which bins to dump them in now - let them have the smell, not us. Oh, and do we get a reduction in Council Tax for a reduction in services - like hell we do. mbbsspmg
  • Score: 26

4:10pm Thu 10 Jul 14

bury mad says...

Dot Cassidy (councillor) and James Frith (Councillor and prospective MP) e-mail addresses don't work - perhaps they can't be bothered with their electors
Dot Cassidy (councillor) and James Frith (Councillor and prospective MP) e-mail addresses don't work - perhaps they can't be bothered with their electors bury mad
  • Score: 10

4:12pm Thu 10 Jul 14

forward thinker says...

Even if our council wasn't strapped for cash, I'd still think 3 weekly collections was a decent move as it might encourage the laziest folk who just shove everything in their grey bin to finally start recycling. I've a family of four and there's no way we can ever fill the bins in a fortnight (except at Christmas), so I don't understand why others have a problem with it.
Even if our council wasn't strapped for cash, I'd still think 3 weekly collections was a decent move as it might encourage the laziest folk who just shove everything in their grey bin to finally start recycling. I've a family of four and there's no way we can ever fill the bins in a fortnight (except at Christmas), so I don't understand why others have a problem with it. forward thinker
  • Score: -25

4:22pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Buryboy1986 says...

TroyTempest wrote:
Buryboy1986 - Your wish is my command.

Contact details
Councillors
Councillor Paul Adams
56 Ennerdale Drive
Unsworth
Bury
BL9 8HU
07970711841

Councillor Daisy Bailey
69 Bury Street
Radcliffe
Manchester
M26 2GB
0161 723 5272
07808810767 d.bailey@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Matt Bailey
69 Bury Street
Radcliffe
Manchester
M26 2GB
0161 723 5272
07500667799 m.bailey@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Noel Bayley
17 Beverley Close
Whitefield
M45 8BB
0161 796 1690 n.bayley@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Ian Bevan
438 Whalley Road
Shuttleworth
BL0 0EG
07754301814 i.bevan@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Jane Black
62 Clifton Road
Prestwich
M25 3HR
0161 773 3744
07805154822 j.black@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Sharon Briggs
10 Old Oak Close
Bradley Fold
BL2 6SF
01204 795 430 s.briggs@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Peter Bury
102 Manchester Road
Bury
BL9 0TH
0161 764 9059 p.bury@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Gill Campbell
13 Pine Grove
Prestwich
M25 3DR
0161 773 9158 g.campbell@bury.gov.

uk

Councillor Simon Carter
18 Rosewood Avenue
Tottington
Bury
BL8 3HG
01204 880758 s.carter@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Robert Caserta
4 Woodthorpe Court
Prestwich
M25 0NP
0161 720 7564 r.caserta@bury.gov.u

k

Councillor Dorothy Cassidy
7 Poplar Avenue
Bury
BL9 7QU
0161 764 9716
07719276504 d.cassidy@bury.gov.u

k

Councillor Mike Connolly
88 Topping Fold Road
Bury
BL9 7NS
0161 764 9924

Councillor Tony Cummings
18 Marsden Walk
Radcliffe
M26 3RH
0161 723 2436
07763834938 a.j.cummings@bury.go

v.uk

Councillor James Daly
42 The Drive
Bury
BL9 5DG
0161 763 4204
j.daly@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Elizabeth Fitzgerald
C/O Town Hall, Knowsley Street, Bury, BL9 0SW
07875992053 e.fitzgerald@bury.go

v.uk

Councillor Luise Fitzwalter
115 Holcombe Old Road
Bury
BL8 4NF
07845949058 l.fitzwalter@bury.go

v.uk

Councillor James Frith
2 Ashbourne Court
Whalley Road
BL0 0DG
01204 883823 j.frith@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Iain Gartside
16 The Drive
BL9 5DG
0161 797 3312 i.gartside@bury.gov.

uk

Councillor Joan Grimshaw
51 Heathfield Road
BL9 8HB
0161 766 3369 j.grimshaw@bury.gov.

uk

Councillor Dorothy Gunther
10 Crosfield Avenue
BL9 5NX
01707 825523 d.gunther@bury.gov.u

k

Councillor Shaheena Haroon
20 Cook Street
BL2 0RP
0161 797 4291 07791675043

Councillor Paddy Heneghan
32 Poppythorn Lane
M25 3BY
07747391460 p.heneghan@bury.gov.

uk

Councillor Robert Hodkinson
7 Whittingham Drive
Ramsbottom
Bury
BL0 9LZ
07808775641

Councillor Trevor Holt
29 Claughton Road
BL8 3BS
01204 885 898 t.holt@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Khalid Hussain
21 Inman Street
BL9 0TP
0161 7640924 k.hussain@bury.gov.u

k

Councillor Tony Isherwood
20 Harper Fold Close
M26 3UQ
0161 724 5063 a.isherwood@bury.gov

.uk

Councillor Michael James
9 St Margarets Close
M25 2LY
0161 798 8651 m.james@bury.gov.uk

Councillor David Jones
4 Heathfield Road
BL9 8HB
0161 766 8548
07711340481 d.jones@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Sarah Kerrison
C/O Town Hall, Knowsley Street, Bury, BL9 0SW
07910131403 s.kerrison@bury.gov.

uk

Councillor Jane Lewis
18 Rosewood Avenue, Tottington, Bury, BL8 3HG
01204 880758 j.lewis@bury.gov.uk

Councillor John Mallon
22 Cromwell Road
Whitefield
Manchester
M45 7RQ
0161 796 8788 j.mallon@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Alan Matthews
38 Modehill Lane
M45 8JH
0161 796 9496 a.matthews@bury.gov.

uk

Councillor Susan Nuttall
Miryfields Cottage
Cann Street
BL8 3PE
01204 885794 s.nuttall@bury.gov.u

k

Councillor Eamonn O'Brien
133 Butterstile Lane
Prestwich
Manchester
M25 9UW
0161 773 2448 e.o’brien@bury.gov

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Councillor Nick Parnell
18 Billberry Close
M45 8BL
0161 796 7780 n.parnell@bury.gov.u

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Councillor Tim Pickstone
37 Russell Street
M25 1GU
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Councillor Alan Quinn
50 Whittaker Lane
M25 1FX
0161 798 8209 a.quinn@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Keith Rothwell
18 Kestrel Drive
BL9 6JE
0161 764 0827 k.rothwell@bury.gov.

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Councillor Rishi Shori
C/O Town Hall, Knowsley Street, Bury, BL9 0SW
07809862561
07809862561 r.shori@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Andrea Simpson
42 Merton Road
M25 1PL
0161 773 3432 a.simpson@bury.gov.u

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Councillor John Smith
116 Ainsworth Road
BL8 2RX
0161 761 3597 j.smith@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Stella Smith
116 Ainsworth Road
BL8 2RX
0161 761 3597 s.smith@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Susan Southworth
4 Primrose Court, Bury
Bury
BL9 7EZ
07815761493 s.southworth@bury.go

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Councillor Tamoor Tariq
59 Gigg Lane
BL9 9HU
07886198769 t.tariq@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Roy Walker
22 Freckleton Drive
BL8 2JA
0161 764 8809 r.walker@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Sandra Walmsley
c/o Town Hall,
Knowsley Street
Bury
BL9 0SW s.walmsley@bury.gov.

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Councillor Jack Walton
229 Sunnybank Road
BL9 8JU
0161 766 9020 j.walton@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Mary Whitby
14 Hampden Road
Prestwich
Manchester
M25 1LG
0161 773 6665 m.whitby@bury.gov.uk

Councillor Michelle Wiseman
C/O Town Hall, Knowsley Street, Bury, BL9 0SW
0161 766 3784
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Councillor Yvonne Wright
516 Whalley Road
BL0 0ES
01706 823 536
07762116437 y.wright@bury.gov.uk
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Thanks Buddy :)
[quote][p][bold]TroyTempest[/bold] wrote: Buryboy1986 - Your wish is my command. Contact details Councillors Councillor Paul Adams 56 Ennerdale Drive Unsworth Bury BL9 8HU 07970711841 Councillor Daisy Bailey 69 Bury Street Radcliffe Manchester M26 2GB 0161 723 5272 07808810767 d.bailey@bury.gov.uk Councillor Matt Bailey 69 Bury Street Radcliffe Manchester M26 2GB 0161 723 5272 07500667799 m.bailey@bury.gov.uk Councillor Noel Bayley 17 Beverley Close Whitefield M45 8BB 0161 796 1690 n.bayley@bury.gov.uk Councillor Ian Bevan 438 Whalley Road Shuttleworth BL0 0EG 07754301814 i.bevan@bury.gov.uk Councillor Jane Black 62 Clifton Road Prestwich M25 3HR 0161 773 3744 07805154822 j.black@bury.gov.uk Councillor Sharon Briggs 10 Old Oak Close Bradley Fold BL2 6SF 01204 795 430 s.briggs@bury.gov.uk Councillor Peter Bury 102 Manchester Road Bury BL9 0TH 0161 764 9059 p.bury@bury.gov.uk Councillor Gill Campbell 13 Pine Grove Prestwich M25 3DR 0161 773 9158 g.campbell@bury.gov. uk Councillor Simon Carter 18 Rosewood Avenue Tottington Bury BL8 3HG 01204 880758 s.carter@bury.gov.uk Councillor Robert Caserta 4 Woodthorpe Court Prestwich M25 0NP 0161 720 7564 r.caserta@bury.gov.u k Councillor Dorothy Cassidy 7 Poplar Avenue Bury BL9 7QU 0161 764 9716 07719276504 d.cassidy@bury.gov.u k Councillor Mike Connolly 88 Topping Fold Road Bury BL9 7NS 0161 764 9924 Councillor Tony Cummings 18 Marsden Walk Radcliffe M26 3RH 0161 723 2436 07763834938 a.j.cummings@bury.go v.uk Councillor James Daly 42 The Drive Bury BL9 5DG 0161 763 4204 j.daly@bury.gov.uk Councillor Elizabeth Fitzgerald C/O Town Hall, Knowsley Street, Bury, BL9 0SW 07875992053 e.fitzgerald@bury.go v.uk Councillor Luise Fitzwalter 115 Holcombe Old Road Bury BL8 4NF 07845949058 l.fitzwalter@bury.go v.uk Councillor James Frith 2 Ashbourne Court Whalley Road BL0 0DG 01204 883823 j.frith@bury.gov.uk Councillor Iain Gartside 16 The Drive BL9 5DG 0161 797 3312 i.gartside@bury.gov. uk Councillor Joan Grimshaw 51 Heathfield Road BL9 8HB 0161 766 3369 j.grimshaw@bury.gov. uk Councillor Dorothy Gunther 10 Crosfield Avenue BL9 5NX 01707 825523 d.gunther@bury.gov.u k Councillor Shaheena Haroon 20 Cook Street BL2 0RP 0161 797 4291 07791675043 Councillor Paddy Heneghan 32 Poppythorn Lane M25 3BY 07747391460 p.heneghan@bury.gov. uk Councillor Robert Hodkinson 7 Whittingham Drive Ramsbottom Bury BL0 9LZ 07808775641 Councillor Trevor Holt 29 Claughton Road BL8 3BS 01204 885 898 t.holt@bury.gov.uk Councillor Khalid Hussain 21 Inman Street BL9 0TP 0161 7640924 k.hussain@bury.gov.u k Councillor Tony Isherwood 20 Harper Fold Close M26 3UQ 0161 724 5063 a.isherwood@bury.gov .uk Councillor Michael James 9 St Margarets Close M25 2LY 0161 798 8651 m.james@bury.gov.uk Councillor David Jones 4 Heathfield Road BL9 8HB 0161 766 8548 07711340481 d.jones@bury.gov.uk Councillor Sarah Kerrison C/O Town Hall, Knowsley Street, Bury, BL9 0SW 07910131403 s.kerrison@bury.gov. uk Councillor Jane Lewis 18 Rosewood Avenue, Tottington, Bury, BL8 3HG 01204 880758 j.lewis@bury.gov.uk Councillor John Mallon 22 Cromwell Road Whitefield Manchester M45 7RQ 0161 796 8788 j.mallon@bury.gov.uk Councillor Alan Matthews 38 Modehill Lane M45 8JH 0161 796 9496 a.matthews@bury.gov. uk Councillor Susan Nuttall Miryfields Cottage Cann Street BL8 3PE 01204 885794 s.nuttall@bury.gov.u k Councillor Eamonn O'Brien 133 Butterstile Lane Prestwich Manchester M25 9UW 0161 773 2448 e.o’brien@bury.gov .uk Councillor Nick Parnell 18 Billberry Close M45 8BL 0161 796 7780 n.parnell@bury.gov.u k Councillor Tim Pickstone 37 Russell Street M25 1GU 07976831686 t.pickstone@bury.gov .uk Councillor Alan Quinn 50 Whittaker Lane M25 1FX 0161 798 8209 a.quinn@bury.gov.uk Councillor Keith Rothwell 18 Kestrel Drive BL9 6JE 0161 764 0827 k.rothwell@bury.gov. uk Councillor Rishi Shori C/O Town Hall, Knowsley Street, Bury, BL9 0SW 07809862561 07809862561 r.shori@bury.gov.uk Councillor Andrea Simpson 42 Merton Road M25 1PL 0161 773 3432 a.simpson@bury.gov.u k Councillor John Smith 116 Ainsworth Road BL8 2RX 0161 761 3597 j.smith@bury.gov.uk Councillor Stella Smith 116 Ainsworth Road BL8 2RX 0161 761 3597 s.smith@bury.gov.uk Councillor Susan Southworth 4 Primrose Court, Bury Bury BL9 7EZ 07815761493 s.southworth@bury.go v.uk Councillor Tamoor Tariq 59 Gigg Lane BL9 9HU 07886198769 t.tariq@bury.gov.uk Councillor Roy Walker 22 Freckleton Drive BL8 2JA 0161 764 8809 r.walker@bury.gov.uk Councillor Sandra Walmsley c/o Town Hall, Knowsley Street Bury BL9 0SW s.walmsley@bury.gov. uk Councillor Jack Walton 229 Sunnybank Road BL9 8JU 0161 766 9020 j.walton@bury.gov.uk Councillor Mary Whitby 14 Hampden Road Prestwich Manchester M25 1LG 0161 773 6665 m.whitby@bury.gov.uk Councillor Michelle Wiseman C/O Town Hall, Knowsley Street, Bury, BL9 0SW 0161 766 3784 07885221136 m.j.wiseman@bury.gov .uk Councillor Yvonne Wright 516 Whalley Road BL0 0ES 01706 823 536 07762116437 y.wright@bury.gov.uk[/p][/quote]What a fella! Thanks Buddy :) Buryboy1986
  • Score: 9

6:32pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Carolearmy says...

P!ease sign the petition
http://www.change.or
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P!ease sign the petition http://www.change.or g/en-GB/petitions/bu ry-council-not-to-st art-3-weekly-bin-col lections Carolearmy
  • Score: 12

6:45pm Thu 10 Jul 14

EmShambles says...

The tax payer is dog #*~# on the shoe of the prize eejits at Bury Council. I want a discount on my council tax. Less of a service should be costing me less.I want the high schools they closed in Radcliffe replacing with a new one like they promised and if they feel that they'd rather spend our money on Bury in bloom and pretty frippery for Bury town centre they should at least pay for the children's travel to and from Bury or Whitefield schools because we have no choice.Once again the council are taking the #~^# out of us.Larger families paying their council tax should also be provided with a second grey bin FREE OF CHARGE. Get it right before you make it worse.This council is a joke.
The tax payer is dog #*~# on the shoe of the prize eejits at Bury Council. I want a discount on my council tax. Less of a service should be costing me less.I want the high schools they closed in Radcliffe replacing with a new one like they promised and if they feel that they'd rather spend our money on Bury in bloom and pretty frippery for Bury town centre they should at least pay for the children's travel to and from Bury or Whitefield schools because we have no choice.Once again the council are taking the #~^# out of us.Larger families paying their council tax should also be provided with a second grey bin FREE OF CHARGE. Get it right before you make it worse.This council is a joke. EmShambles
  • Score: 17

6:59pm Thu 10 Jul 14

EmShambles says...

forward thinker wrote:
Even if our council wasn't strapped for cash, I'd still think 3 weekly collections was a decent move as it might encourage the laziest folk who just shove everything in their grey bin to finally start recycling. I've a family of four and there's no way we can ever fill the bins in a fortnight (except at Christmas), so I don't understand why others have a problem with it.
I'm alright,Jack.
[quote][p][bold]forward thinker[/bold] wrote: Even if our council wasn't strapped for cash, I'd still think 3 weekly collections was a decent move as it might encourage the laziest folk who just shove everything in their grey bin to finally start recycling. I've a family of four and there's no way we can ever fill the bins in a fortnight (except at Christmas), so I don't understand why others have a problem with it.[/p][/quote]I'm alright,Jack. EmShambles
  • Score: 0

6:59pm Thu 10 Jul 14

EmShambles says...

forward thinker wrote:
Even if our council wasn't strapped for cash, I'd still think 3 weekly collections was a decent move as it might encourage the laziest folk who just shove everything in their grey bin to finally start recycling. I've a family of four and there's no way we can ever fill the bins in a fortnight (except at Christmas), so I don't understand why others have a problem with it.
I'm alright,Jack.
[quote][p][bold]forward thinker[/bold] wrote: Even if our council wasn't strapped for cash, I'd still think 3 weekly collections was a decent move as it might encourage the laziest folk who just shove everything in their grey bin to finally start recycling. I've a family of four and there's no way we can ever fill the bins in a fortnight (except at Christmas), so I don't understand why others have a problem with it.[/p][/quote]I'm alright,Jack. EmShambles
  • Score: 1

7:59pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Babbar Divino says...

Looking on the positive side, at least when there are folk coming from all over the world to visit the Sculpture Centre they won't need a GPS or map to find Bury they could just follow the smell from Manchester Airport.
Looking on the positive side, at least when there are folk coming from all over the world to visit the Sculpture Centre they won't need a GPS or map to find Bury they could just follow the smell from Manchester Airport. Babbar Divino
  • Score: 15

9:56pm Thu 10 Jul 14

red menace says...

My father arranged with Bury Council to have an extra grey bin in 2005. This was because my mother was elderly and disabled: and a certain amount of, shall we say, personal things had to be regularly disposed of. Then one day in 2010 the bins were suddenly emptied fortnightly, and after emptying both bins for years without a problem, the binmen all of a sudden refused to empty the second bin. I actually heard the binmen snotilly saying "Leave it (the bin)! We don't need to empty it now..." (like it wasn't even their job to do so!) My dad went through all the proper channels and it was all stamped and official. Then it wasn't, without any word of warning... When my old man complained to the council they told him he had to re-apply for the second bin... It took him long enough to get the first (second) one... What skin is it off the binmen's noses to empty a second bin if it is officially registered (which it was)? Afterward we had great difficulty and embarrassment attempting to dispose of my mother's personal things (especially when she later had cancer. They refused to empty it even then! My mother passed away last year). The attitude of some of the binmen who work for Bury Council (especially in Whitefield and Prestwich) is appalling.
An elderly lady at the top of our road had just one extra bag of refuse: but these Little Hitler buffoons refused to take it away for her (she is 81 years of age). Another neighbour filled his brown bin with nothing but the appropriate garden refuse. But just because someone walked past and threw a solitary drinks can in his bin without him knowing, these clowns didn't empty his brown bin... And when he phoned to complain all he got was red tape and excuses....

As for Bury Council, they are even bigger clowns than the idiots and jumped up imbeciles they employ.... They now want to empty the bins every three weeks? Soon they will be emptied once a month before we know it.... Bury Council yet again reduce services to the public to the minimum, but if anyone has trouble paying their Council Tax the council will attempt to have their head... Talk about having your cake and eating it...
My father arranged with Bury Council to have an extra grey bin in 2005. This was because my mother was elderly and disabled: and a certain amount of, shall we say, personal things had to be regularly disposed of. Then one day in 2010 the bins were suddenly emptied fortnightly, and after emptying both bins for years without a problem, the binmen all of a sudden refused to empty the second bin. I actually heard the binmen snotilly saying "Leave it (the bin)! We don't need to empty it now..." (like it wasn't even their job to do so!) My dad went through all the proper channels and it was all stamped and official. Then it wasn't, without any word of warning... When my old man complained to the council they told him he had to re-apply for the second bin... It took him long enough to get the first (second) one... What skin is it off the binmen's noses to empty a second bin if it is officially registered (which it was)? Afterward we had great difficulty and embarrassment attempting to dispose of my mother's personal things (especially when she later had cancer. They refused to empty it even then! My mother passed away last year). The attitude of some of the binmen who work for Bury Council (especially in Whitefield and Prestwich) is appalling. An elderly lady at the top of our road had just one extra bag of refuse: but these Little Hitler buffoons refused to take it away for her (she is 81 years of age). Another neighbour filled his brown bin with nothing but the appropriate garden refuse. But just because someone walked past and threw a solitary drinks can in his bin without him knowing, these clowns didn't empty his brown bin... And when he phoned to complain all he got was red tape and excuses.... As for Bury Council, they are even bigger clowns than the idiots and jumped up imbeciles they employ.... They now want to empty the bins every three weeks? Soon they will be emptied once a month before we know it.... Bury Council yet again reduce services to the public to the minimum, but if anyone has trouble paying their Council Tax the council will attempt to have their head... Talk about having your cake and eating it... red menace
  • Score: 25

10:07pm Thu 10 Jul 14

karenmurray says...

Its a disgrace Bury Council giving us 6 days notice to the time when they are going to vote this ridiculous proposal through. We recycle lots in my household but sometimes things just have to go in the grey bin. Rats will be out in force if our grey bin collections go to every 3 weeks and I pity those who have children in nappies. If Bury Council have money for sculptures, more yellow lines, Mayors car and 20mph zones then they should be emptying our bins properly. Its time to make a stand against more sillly cuts. They are not cutting grass in fields and play areas again-walkers field is a disgrace and customer services has said they havn't got cutting equipment anymore for fields. Services at Fairfield dwindling and more services to go. Get rid of the mayors car and tell us where all our council tax is going. If we don't make a stand now what next?????
Its a disgrace Bury Council giving us 6 days notice to the time when they are going to vote this ridiculous proposal through. We recycle lots in my household but sometimes things just have to go in the grey bin. Rats will be out in force if our grey bin collections go to every 3 weeks and I pity those who have children in nappies. If Bury Council have money for sculptures, more yellow lines, Mayors car and 20mph zones then they should be emptying our bins properly. Its time to make a stand against more sillly cuts. They are not cutting grass in fields and play areas again-walkers field is a disgrace and customer services has said they havn't got cutting equipment anymore for fields. Services at Fairfield dwindling and more services to go. Get rid of the mayors car and tell us where all our council tax is going. If we don't make a stand now what next????? karenmurray
  • Score: 18

10:10pm Thu 10 Jul 14

barmybury says...

The bankers caused the recession and so the government has no money and so saves money by cutting the money it gives to bury council.
So bury council has to cut services (bins) Nd who gets the blame ? The bankers are back on their top bonuses and we still suffer.sheeple the lot of you
The bankers caused the recession and so the government has no money and so saves money by cutting the money it gives to bury council. So bury council has to cut services (bins) Nd who gets the blame ? The bankers are back on their top bonuses and we still suffer.sheeple the lot of you barmybury
  • Score: -1

10:37pm Thu 10 Jul 14

forward thinker says...

EmShambles wrote:
forward thinker wrote:
Even if our council wasn't strapped for cash, I'd still think 3 weekly collections was a decent move as it might encourage the laziest folk who just shove everything in their grey bin to finally start recycling. I've a family of four and there's no way we can ever fill the bins in a fortnight (except at Christmas), so I don't understand why others have a problem with it.
I'm alright,Jack.
Apologies, I didn't make my point very clear. I was trying to convey that if a typical family of four can manage easily, then surely most people can too. Don't forget that it's only the grey bin (the one the lazy folk who can't be bothered recycling use most) that will be collected less frequently, the blue and green will be collected MORE frequently... so what's the issue? It's simple, put stuff in the correct bin and you'll be fine. Also, foodstuffs should go in the brown bin which is unaffected, so there's no issue with smells/rats or whatever else the scaremongers are banging on about.
[quote][p][bold]EmShambles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forward thinker[/bold] wrote: Even if our council wasn't strapped for cash, I'd still think 3 weekly collections was a decent move as it might encourage the laziest folk who just shove everything in their grey bin to finally start recycling. I've a family of four and there's no way we can ever fill the bins in a fortnight (except at Christmas), so I don't understand why others have a problem with it.[/p][/quote]I'm alright,Jack.[/p][/quote]Apologies, I didn't make my point very clear. I was trying to convey that if a typical family of four can manage easily, then surely most people can too. Don't forget that it's only the grey bin (the one the lazy folk who can't be bothered recycling use most) that will be collected less frequently, the blue and green will be collected MORE frequently... so what's the issue? It's simple, put stuff in the correct bin and you'll be fine. Also, foodstuffs should go in the brown bin which is unaffected, so there's no issue with smells/rats or whatever else the scaremongers are banging on about. forward thinker
  • Score: -14

10:47pm Thu 10 Jul 14

EmShambles says...

forward thinker wrote:
EmShambles wrote:
forward thinker wrote:
Even if our council wasn't strapped for cash, I'd still think 3 weekly collections was a decent move as it might encourage the laziest folk who just shove everything in their grey bin to finally start recycling. I've a family of four and there's no way we can ever fill the bins in a fortnight (except at Christmas), so I don't understand why others have a problem with it.
I'm alright,Jack.
Apologies, I didn't make my point very clear. I was trying to convey that if a typical family of four can manage easily, then surely most people can too. Don't forget that it's only the grey bin (the one the lazy folk who can't be bothered recycling use most) that will be collected less frequently, the blue and green will be collected MORE frequently... so what's the issue? It's simple, put stuff in the correct bin and you'll be fine. Also, foodstuffs should go in the brown bin which is unaffected, so there's no issue with smells/rats or whatever else the scaremongers are banging on about.
My issue is that there are 9 people in my house.I recycle everything and my bins are full almost as soon as they are emptied.I crush all of our rubbish flat and still struggle for space. I don't drive for environmental and cost issues and therefore I'm walking to the local tip 2 or 3 times a week. I've been told I can apply for a new bin and it will cost me £25 . Why can't the council provide me with a free bin? I'm saving them a fortune by always recycling and I pay my council tax.They are all to happy to give smaller bins out to the masses willy nilly so why can't I have one of the bins that is no longer used? That is one tiny problem I have with Bury Council.Many of us are not families with 2.4 children.
[quote][p][bold]forward thinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EmShambles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forward thinker[/bold] wrote: Even if our council wasn't strapped for cash, I'd still think 3 weekly collections was a decent move as it might encourage the laziest folk who just shove everything in their grey bin to finally start recycling. I've a family of four and there's no way we can ever fill the bins in a fortnight (except at Christmas), so I don't understand why others have a problem with it.[/p][/quote]I'm alright,Jack.[/p][/quote]Apologies, I didn't make my point very clear. I was trying to convey that if a typical family of four can manage easily, then surely most people can too. Don't forget that it's only the grey bin (the one the lazy folk who can't be bothered recycling use most) that will be collected less frequently, the blue and green will be collected MORE frequently... so what's the issue? It's simple, put stuff in the correct bin and you'll be fine. Also, foodstuffs should go in the brown bin which is unaffected, so there's no issue with smells/rats or whatever else the scaremongers are banging on about.[/p][/quote]My issue is that there are 9 people in my house.I recycle everything and my bins are full almost as soon as they are emptied.I crush all of our rubbish flat and still struggle for space. I don't drive for environmental and cost issues and therefore I'm walking to the local tip 2 or 3 times a week. I've been told I can apply for a new bin and it will cost me £25 . Why can't the council provide me with a free bin? I'm saving them a fortune by always recycling and I pay my council tax.They are all to happy to give smaller bins out to the masses willy nilly so why can't I have one of the bins that is no longer used? That is one tiny problem I have with Bury Council.Many of us are not families with 2.4 children. EmShambles
  • Score: 17

12:24am Fri 11 Jul 14

Pommie Art says...

The planned changes would make annual savings of £862,000 & that's what its all about nothing else:
The planned changes would make annual savings of £862,000 & that's what its all about nothing else: Pommie Art
  • Score: 8

12:35am Fri 11 Jul 14

Foxred says...

Although the council needs to get the recycling rate up this will not help households like ours as we recycle religiously yet often find the grey bin is full on collection day every 2 weeks!
Although the council needs to get the recycling rate up this will not help households like ours as we recycle religiously yet often find the grey bin is full on collection day every 2 weeks! Foxred
  • Score: 16

7:35am Fri 11 Jul 14

shakencity says...

I think it's a great idea and agree fully with forward thinkers comments....if the lazy people of our community would have put the correct waste in the correct bins to begin with then this wouldn't be an issue.

Ok, i accept some people (EmShambles) may possibly find it harder, but whenever changes are implemented someone will always feel hard done by....as the saying goes, "you just can't please everyone".
I think it's a great idea and agree fully with forward thinkers comments....if the lazy people of our community would have put the correct waste in the correct bins to begin with then this wouldn't be an issue. Ok, i accept some people (EmShambles) may possibly find it harder, but whenever changes are implemented someone will always feel hard done by....as the saying goes, "you just can't please everyone". shakencity
  • Score: -9

8:32am Fri 11 Jul 14

forward thinker says...

EmShambles wrote:
forward thinker wrote:
EmShambles wrote:
forward thinker wrote:
Even if our council wasn't strapped for cash, I'd still think 3 weekly collections was a decent move as it might encourage the laziest folk who just shove everything in their grey bin to finally start recycling. I've a family of four and there's no way we can ever fill the bins in a fortnight (except at Christmas), so I don't understand why others have a problem with it.
I'm alright,Jack.
Apologies, I didn't make my point very clear. I was trying to convey that if a typical family of four can manage easily, then surely most people can too. Don't forget that it's only the grey bin (the one the lazy folk who can't be bothered recycling use most) that will be collected less frequently, the blue and green will be collected MORE frequently... so what's the issue? It's simple, put stuff in the correct bin and you'll be fine. Also, foodstuffs should go in the brown bin which is unaffected, so there's no issue with smells/rats or whatever else the scaremongers are banging on about.
My issue is that there are 9 people in my house.I recycle everything and my bins are full almost as soon as they are emptied.I crush all of our rubbish flat and still struggle for space. I don't drive for environmental and cost issues and therefore I'm walking to the local tip 2 or 3 times a week. I've been told I can apply for a new bin and it will cost me £25 . Why can't the council provide me with a free bin? I'm saving them a fortune by always recycling and I pay my council tax.They are all to happy to give smaller bins out to the masses willy nilly so why can't I have one of the bins that is no longer used? That is one tiny problem I have with Bury Council.Many of us are not families with 2.4 children.
9 people in a household is far from common, surely you don't expect the council to make decisions based on exceptions rather than the norm do you?

People resist every single change ever made, but that's because the changes often seem very self-serving, so at least this one makes sense from both a financial and ecological point of view.
[quote][p][bold]EmShambles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forward thinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EmShambles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forward thinker[/bold] wrote: Even if our council wasn't strapped for cash, I'd still think 3 weekly collections was a decent move as it might encourage the laziest folk who just shove everything in their grey bin to finally start recycling. I've a family of four and there's no way we can ever fill the bins in a fortnight (except at Christmas), so I don't understand why others have a problem with it.[/p][/quote]I'm alright,Jack.[/p][/quote]Apologies, I didn't make my point very clear. I was trying to convey that if a typical family of four can manage easily, then surely most people can too. Don't forget that it's only the grey bin (the one the lazy folk who can't be bothered recycling use most) that will be collected less frequently, the blue and green will be collected MORE frequently... so what's the issue? It's simple, put stuff in the correct bin and you'll be fine. Also, foodstuffs should go in the brown bin which is unaffected, so there's no issue with smells/rats or whatever else the scaremongers are banging on about.[/p][/quote]My issue is that there are 9 people in my house.I recycle everything and my bins are full almost as soon as they are emptied.I crush all of our rubbish flat and still struggle for space. I don't drive for environmental and cost issues and therefore I'm walking to the local tip 2 or 3 times a week. I've been told I can apply for a new bin and it will cost me £25 . Why can't the council provide me with a free bin? I'm saving them a fortune by always recycling and I pay my council tax.They are all to happy to give smaller bins out to the masses willy nilly so why can't I have one of the bins that is no longer used? That is one tiny problem I have with Bury Council.Many of us are not families with 2.4 children.[/p][/quote]9 people in a household is far from common, surely you don't expect the council to make decisions based on exceptions rather than the norm do you? People resist every single change ever made, but that's because the changes often seem very self-serving, so at least this one makes sense from both a financial and ecological point of view. forward thinker
  • Score: -1

9:24am Fri 11 Jul 14

Bohohan says...

Bring on the 3 weekly collections! I welcome it with open arms as it wouldn't be a problem with me and it would coax all the non-recyclers into recycling.
I read in the small print that larger families will get a new bin and the requirement has been reduced from 6 to 5 people in a household.
I already have a smaller bin and it is only 3/4 full after 2 weeks so I can even stick with it when the new scheme starts. The grey bin waste (plastic bags, trays, pots, cling film, tissues, NO FOOD) can be easily compressed.

However, there are other aspects of the scheme I am not satisfied about and would like them to know about.

Why on earth is bury not following suit with neighbouring councils with weekly food waste collections?
I continue to use the little black caddy but I know that many other people have given up with them since there was no incentive to use them as they were still collected fortnightly. If they really want to increase participation then rotting food and garden waste must be taken weekly. But first you need to re deliver caddies to those who have lost theirs since it started in 2011.
I also create a lot of garden waste which I have to pile up in the the driveway, waiting for the totally insufficient and infrequent collection to happen and then fill it up again. And for reasons they don't want to disclose to me, they won't give me another brown bin.

As for 3 weekly recycling collections, what difference does this make except collecting lighter bins which are less full.
4 weeks is perfect as most bins are just about full, collecting them more often would just waste money. Very few people have extra bottles and paper after 4 weeks, if they do, give them an extra bin.
My blue bin is 1/2 full after 4 weeks and green bin about 3/4.

Keep the 4 weekly recycle collections but PLEASE follow your neighbours and collect food/garden waste from our doorsteps WEEKLY!!!
Only then will people stop putting food into the grey bin.
Bring on the 3 weekly collections! I welcome it with open arms as it wouldn't be a problem with me and it would coax all the non-recyclers into recycling. I read in the small print that larger families will get a new bin and the requirement has been reduced from 6 to 5 people in a household. I already have a smaller bin and it is only 3/4 full after 2 weeks so I can even stick with it when the new scheme starts. The grey bin waste (plastic bags, trays, pots, cling film, tissues, NO FOOD) can be easily compressed. However, there are other aspects of the scheme I am not satisfied about and would like them to know about. Why on earth is bury not following suit with neighbouring councils with weekly food waste collections? I continue to use the little black caddy but I know that many other people have given up with them since there was no incentive to use them as they were still collected fortnightly. If they really want to increase participation then rotting food and garden waste must be taken weekly. But first you need to re deliver caddies to those who have lost theirs since it started in 2011. I also create a lot of garden waste which I have to pile up in the the driveway, waiting for the totally insufficient and infrequent collection to happen and then fill it up again. And for reasons they don't want to disclose to me, they won't give me another brown bin. As for 3 weekly recycling collections, what difference does this make except collecting lighter bins which are less full. 4 weeks is perfect as most bins are just about full, collecting them more often would just waste money. Very few people have extra bottles and paper after 4 weeks, if they do, give them an extra bin. My blue bin is 1/2 full after 4 weeks and green bin about 3/4. Keep the 4 weekly recycle collections but PLEASE follow your neighbours and collect food/garden waste from our doorsteps WEEKLY!!! Only then will people stop putting food into the grey bin. Bohohan
  • Score: 4

9:56am Fri 11 Jul 14

forward thinker says...

Obviously the example that follows is an extreme, plus it's a chap who I think lives on his own, but flippin' eck, one bag of rubbish in a year! http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2255216/Extreme-recy
cler-fills-just-ONE-
rubbish-bag-year-mak
ing-resolution-use-w
aste-can.html
Obviously the example that follows is an extreme, plus it's a chap who I think lives on his own, but flippin' eck, one bag of rubbish in a year! http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2255216/Extreme-recy cler-fills-just-ONE- rubbish-bag-year-mak ing-resolution-use-w aste-can.html forward thinker
  • Score: -2

10:26am Fri 11 Jul 14

Avenger1 says...

It may be of interest that the council has been considering this for a number of months and have kept this a closely guarded secret, for reasons they know better than I, but I suspect timing was an issue.
There is always the desire to increase recycling, which can be achieved through education and advice, that is unfortunately lacking in Bury. With the Council paying in excess of £70k per annum for Bury in Bloom, perhaps this money could be put towards creating savings or even being spent on recycling and waste education?
If the council want an idea to save money on waste, they need look no further than near neighbouring councils. Bury operates a 4 day week for the collection teams , with the vehicles sat idle for 3 days of the week - siome will be being repaired/serviced. More savvy councils have used the vehicles and separate staff to collect recycling services over the other 3 days. Whilst this wouldn't work for the whole of the borough, due to parking issues at weekends, this could be applied to a number of the estate areas and see a reduction in the vehicle fleet, with a refuse freighter costing upwards of £150k to purchase. Just a thought.
It may be of interest that the council has been considering this for a number of months and have kept this a closely guarded secret, for reasons they know better than I, but I suspect timing was an issue. There is always the desire to increase recycling, which can be achieved through education and advice, that is unfortunately lacking in Bury. With the Council paying in excess of £70k per annum for Bury in Bloom, perhaps this money could be put towards creating savings or even being spent on recycling and waste education? If the council want an idea to save money on waste, they need look no further than near neighbouring councils. Bury operates a 4 day week for the collection teams , with the vehicles sat idle for 3 days of the week - siome will be being repaired/serviced. More savvy councils have used the vehicles and separate staff to collect recycling services over the other 3 days. Whilst this wouldn't work for the whole of the borough, due to parking issues at weekends, this could be applied to a number of the estate areas and see a reduction in the vehicle fleet, with a refuse freighter costing upwards of £150k to purchase. Just a thought. Avenger1
  • Score: 7

10:31am Fri 11 Jul 14

BuryB&B says...

Going to a 3 weekly collection just shows that lack of imagination/intellig
ence inherent within the committee that comes up with these ideas.
Should they not take a more holistic approach and also consider the amount of CO2 emitted into the environment whilst their trucks routinely collect blue/brown/green bins that are only 1/2 full!
Obviously cost is the main issue here which the council are keen to highlight but does anyone know how much the shirt sponsorship of Bury FC costs the council? I can never understand how the council can justify this expense without approval from the people who provide this finance!!
Going to a 3 weekly collection just shows that lack of imagination/intellig ence inherent within the committee that comes up with these ideas. Should they not take a more holistic approach and also consider the amount of CO2 emitted into the environment whilst their trucks routinely collect blue/brown/green bins that are only 1/2 full! Obviously cost is the main issue here which the council are keen to highlight but does anyone know how much the shirt sponsorship of Bury FC costs the council? I can never understand how the council can justify this expense without approval from the people who provide this finance!! BuryB&B
  • Score: 11

10:56am Fri 11 Jul 14

shakencity says...

"Should they not take a more holistic approach and also consider the amount of CO2 emitted into the environment whilst their trucks routinely collect blue/brown/green bins that are only 1/2 full!"

This is exactly what the council are trying to stop...people not recycling properly. When we all do, those bins will/should be full.

Oh, and the council don't sponsor Bury FC anymore.
"Should they not take a more holistic approach and also consider the amount of CO2 emitted into the environment whilst their trucks routinely collect blue/brown/green bins that are only 1/2 full!" This is exactly what the council are trying to stop...people not recycling properly. When we all do, those bins will/should be full. Oh, and the council don't sponsor Bury FC anymore. shakencity
  • Score: -6

11:41am Fri 11 Jul 14

Angie Crux says...

It may be possible for Bury Council to recycle 75% more refuse than they are doing currently, but householders can only help you with this when you actually accept ALL of the items that can be recycled in the recycling bins. (Yoghurt pots, margerine tubs etc).
You need to start doing this BEFORE you decide what changes need to be made to the collection cycle.
What is the point in making changes to the collection cycle in October, and spending more money on sending all of houses in the borough updated schedules - not to mention the planning, when you do this in the New Year anyway. You won't be saving any money in the meantime if people are only recycling the same things they were before.
Larger families will be able to request an extra grey bin (is there a cost to them for this). Why? What difference does it make to your recycling objectives by doing this? Remember, you haven't actually said yet whether we can put anything other than what we do now in our recycling bins. So when the collection crew come a week earlier for our blue/green recycling bins there will less in there not more. Are you saving any money going from 26 to 17/18 grey bin collections in a year when you are making needless extra journeys for our blue/green recycling bins?
If the only changes are the ones being reported in this article then Bury Council are not going to save any money, just spend more of it. Nor are they going to see the changes they want to on the recycling front.
It may be possible for Bury Council to recycle 75% more refuse than they are doing currently, but householders can only help you with this when you actually accept ALL of the items that can be recycled in the recycling bins. (Yoghurt pots, margerine tubs etc). You need to start doing this BEFORE you decide what changes need to be made to the collection cycle. What is the point in making changes to the collection cycle in October, and spending more money on sending all of houses in the borough updated schedules - not to mention the planning, when you do this in the New Year anyway. You won't be saving any money in the meantime if people are only recycling the same things they were before. Larger families will be able to request an extra grey bin (is there a cost to them for this). Why? What difference does it make to your recycling objectives by doing this? Remember, you haven't actually said yet whether we can put anything other than what we do now in our recycling bins. So when the collection crew come a week earlier for our blue/green recycling bins there will less in there not more. Are you saving any money going from 26 to 17/18 grey bin collections in a year when you are making needless extra journeys for our blue/green recycling bins? If the only changes are the ones being reported in this article then Bury Council are not going to save any money, just spend more of it. Nor are they going to see the changes they want to on the recycling front. Angie Crux
  • Score: 8

12:30pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Avenger1 says...

Cost of an additional bin for larger families (6 or more persons in the dwelling) is £30. You get a 180 litre grey bodied bin with a red lid, I think.
The reason they do round changes in October is due to the tonnages being less than the summer and they still have the light evenings for rounds finishing late before the clocks go back at the end of October. There is also unlikely to be any issue with freezing conditions impacting on collections. Also, the refuse teams make sure they have it working in time for Xmas (Xmas gratuities)!
Cost of an additional bin for larger families (6 or more persons in the dwelling) is £30. You get a 180 litre grey bodied bin with a red lid, I think. The reason they do round changes in October is due to the tonnages being less than the summer and they still have the light evenings for rounds finishing late before the clocks go back at the end of October. There is also unlikely to be any issue with freezing conditions impacting on collections. Also, the refuse teams make sure they have it working in time for Xmas (Xmas gratuities)! Avenger1
  • Score: 0

1:21pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Angie Crux says...

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ons.bury.gov.uk/mgIs
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IId=3224&PlanId=102
http://councildecisi ons.bury.gov.uk/mgIs sueHistoryHome.aspx? IId=3224&PlanId=102 Angie Crux
  • Score: 0

3:05pm Fri 11 Jul 14

AngryInAinsworth says...

AlecTPR wrote:
"Subject to approval at a Bury Cabinet meeting next Wednesday, the changes to the collection service will be introduced from early October."

Sounds like already going ahead?
It is - there's not going to be a vote on this. It's the pet project of clr Isherwood (a.isherwood@bury.go
v.uk) - I just got this reply from the council:

Unfortunately it will not be a voting issue, it is up to the discretion of the labour Portfolio holder Tony Isherwood.
I can tell you that we have called it in for Scrutiny, but this will only allow us to express our displeasure at the decision and will have no influence on their decision.

Regards
Bob Caserta
Conservative Councillor Pilkington Park

NOT IMPRESSED !
[quote][p][bold]AlecTPR[/bold] wrote: "Subject to approval at a Bury Cabinet meeting next Wednesday, the changes to the collection service will be introduced from early October." Sounds like already going ahead?[/p][/quote]It is - there's not going to be a vote on this. It's the pet project of clr Isherwood (a.isherwood@bury.go v.uk) - I just got this reply from the council: Unfortunately it will not be a voting issue, it is up to the discretion of the labour Portfolio holder Tony Isherwood. I can tell you that we have called it in for Scrutiny, but this will only allow us to express our displeasure at the decision and will have no influence on their decision. Regards Bob Caserta Conservative Councillor Pilkington Park NOT IMPRESSED ! AngryInAinsworth
  • Score: 8

6:26pm Fri 11 Jul 14

shell88 says...

They should try dealing with the stench of two week old dirty nappies!!!!! Never mind three weeks. My blue & green bin are always full and even have more in a bag ready to be tipped into the bins once they are emptied. Sure bet the dont provide some sort of nappy collection!!! Taking all they can and keeping the money for pointless things like flowers!!! They choose flowers over keeping rats at bay!!!!!
They should try dealing with the stench of two week old dirty nappies!!!!! Never mind three weeks. My blue & green bin are always full and even have more in a bag ready to be tipped into the bins once they are emptied. Sure bet the dont provide some sort of nappy collection!!! Taking all they can and keeping the money for pointless things like flowers!!! They choose flowers over keeping rats at bay!!!!! shell88
  • Score: 6

6:39pm Fri 11 Jul 14

postivechange says...

Gosh it's absolutely mind blowing watching grown adults behave like spoilt children that have had a toys taken away.

The facts are simple - the borough as a whole do not recycle as much as is potentially possible. This is evident with the percentage figures that showed an initial recycling rate of 28%. Then collections moved to fortnightly and it created a storm (exactly the same as we're seeing now) because residents had to take a few extra seconds to divide their waste. What happened? The world didn't end. The borough wasn't overrun with this freak colony of rats we were promised by the scaremongers and as if by magic the recycling rate also increased. Bizarre!

Guess what people - this is no different. It just requires another extra few seconds of care and attention and hey presto you'll find nothing will change.

The most vocal out there are either i) stubborn and essentially lazy when it comes to the waste they're personally responsibly for creating ii) have a larger than average household and therefore expect a whole proposal to suit just them not the majority iii) cannot see the bigger picture. There's less money in the pot so do your bit to ensure that a different service that you or a family member will no doubt later rely on as a necessity isn't cut completely.

I need to also address a few of the other ridiculous points raised:

"My services are being cut so will my Council Tax be reduced?" - You're services aren't being cut. The recycling collections are increasing as should be the case if you're now taking the time to separate the waste correctly. This in turn GENERATES additional revenue. Plus if you're making savings in one area only to then reduce the amount of revenue from Council Tax this would cancel the saving and the £16m that still needs to be found remains the same.

"Let's dump our waste at the Town Hall" - Have you heard yourselves?? You're adults asking to be heard/treated like adults. As it stands you have no idea whether this proposal will work or not. Why not see how you 'cope' and then offer some CONSTRUCTIVE feedback to help the Council work with it's residents rather than being locked in a perpetual 'us and them' mentality. These savings are in YOUR best interests. And anyway how will illegally fly tipping your waste at additional cost to the council get your voice heard - it just makes you a hypocrite.

"We need to petition and fight this TOGETHER" - With this new found sense of unity and community spirit why don't you look to support the minority of those in your local community that may find these changes difficult to adjust to. As mentioned before there will be those with larger families etc. that require additional bin space. So why don't those caring supporting residents that you all report to be offer the surplus space in your bin?

All I'm saying is take a moment. A real moment and look at what you're fighting for, because I'm not sure most of you actually know. It's just easier to believe the hype and feel part of something profound.
Being part of a positive change should be your true goal but this requires giving a little something in return and it saddens me most aren't prepared to even try.
Gosh it's absolutely mind blowing watching grown adults behave like spoilt children that have had a toys taken away. The facts are simple - the borough as a whole do not recycle as much as is potentially possible. This is evident with the percentage figures that showed an initial recycling rate of 28%. Then collections moved to fortnightly and it created a storm (exactly the same as we're seeing now) because residents had to take a few extra seconds to divide their waste. What happened? The world didn't end. The borough wasn't overrun with this freak colony of rats we were promised by the scaremongers and as if by magic the recycling rate also increased. Bizarre! Guess what people - this is no different. It just requires another extra few seconds of care and attention and hey presto you'll find nothing will change. The most vocal out there are either i) stubborn and essentially lazy when it comes to the waste they're personally responsibly for creating ii) have a larger than average household and therefore expect a whole proposal to suit just them not the majority iii) cannot see the bigger picture. There's less money in the pot so do your bit to ensure that a different service that you or a family member will no doubt later rely on as a necessity isn't cut completely. I need to also address a few of the other ridiculous points raised: "My services are being cut so will my Council Tax be reduced?" - You're services aren't being cut. The recycling collections are increasing as should be the case if you're now taking the time to separate the waste correctly. This in turn GENERATES additional revenue. Plus if you're making savings in one area only to then reduce the amount of revenue from Council Tax this would cancel the saving and the £16m that still needs to be found remains the same. "Let's dump our waste at the Town Hall" - Have you heard yourselves?? You're adults asking to be heard/treated like adults. As it stands you have no idea whether this proposal will work or not. Why not see how you 'cope' and then offer some CONSTRUCTIVE feedback to help the Council work with it's residents rather than being locked in a perpetual 'us and them' mentality. These savings are in YOUR best interests. And anyway how will illegally fly tipping your waste at additional cost to the council get your voice heard - it just makes you a hypocrite. "We need to petition and fight this TOGETHER" - With this new found sense of unity and community spirit why don't you look to support the minority of those in your local community that may find these changes difficult to adjust to. As mentioned before there will be those with larger families etc. that require additional bin space. So why don't those caring supporting residents that you all report to be offer the surplus space in your bin? All I'm saying is take a moment. A real moment and look at what you're fighting for, because I'm not sure most of you actually know. It's just easier to believe the hype and feel part of something profound. Being part of a positive change should be your true goal but this requires giving a little something in return and it saddens me most aren't prepared to even try. postivechange
  • Score: -4

7:14pm Fri 11 Jul 14

number6 says...

The reason councils introduce the changes to bin collections in October is because the weather is less warm. The housefly and other flies have a 14 day breeding cycle, even less during hot humid spells. The bean counters at the council, know that the chances of angry residents ringing up complaining about smells and maggots will be far less than if introduced say the period April to September. The council with the best recycling rates in the UK has their rubbished emptied weekly, one bin fits all!! The machinery at their recycling centre sorts everything so no more being an unpaid rag picker/rubbish sorter for the council. Don't let them get away with this move.
The reason councils introduce the changes to bin collections in October is because the weather is less warm. The housefly and other flies have a 14 day breeding cycle, even less during hot humid spells. The bean counters at the council, know that the chances of angry residents ringing up complaining about smells and maggots will be far less than if introduced say the period April to September. The council with the best recycling rates in the UK has their rubbished emptied weekly, one bin fits all!! The machinery at their recycling centre sorts everything so no more being an unpaid rag picker/rubbish sorter for the council. Don't let them get away with this move. number6
  • Score: 6

8:51pm Fri 11 Jul 14

EmShambles says...

postivechange wrote:
Gosh it's absolutely mind blowing watching grown adults behave like spoilt children that have had a toys taken away.

The facts are simple - the borough as a whole do not recycle as much as is potentially possible. This is evident with the percentage figures that showed an initial recycling rate of 28%. Then collections moved to fortnightly and it created a storm (exactly the same as we're seeing now) because residents had to take a few extra seconds to divide their waste. What happened? The world didn't end. The borough wasn't overrun with this freak colony of rats we were promised by the scaremongers and as if by magic the recycling rate also increased. Bizarre!

Guess what people - this is no different. It just requires another extra few seconds of care and attention and hey presto you'll find nothing will change.

The most vocal out there are either i) stubborn and essentially lazy when it comes to the waste they're personally responsibly for creating ii) have a larger than average household and therefore expect a whole proposal to suit just them not the majority iii) cannot see the bigger picture. There's less money in the pot so do your bit to ensure that a different service that you or a family member will no doubt later rely on as a necessity isn't cut completely.

I need to also address a few of the other ridiculous points raised:

"My services are being cut so will my Council Tax be reduced?" - You're services aren't being cut. The recycling collections are increasing as should be the case if you're now taking the time to separate the waste correctly. This in turn GENERATES additional revenue. Plus if you're making savings in one area only to then reduce the amount of revenue from Council Tax this would cancel the saving and the £16m that still needs to be found remains the same.

"Let's dump our waste at the Town Hall" - Have you heard yourselves?? You're adults asking to be heard/treated like adults. As it stands you have no idea whether this proposal will work or not. Why not see how you 'cope' and then offer some CONSTRUCTIVE feedback to help the Council work with it's residents rather than being locked in a perpetual 'us and them' mentality. These savings are in YOUR best interests. And anyway how will illegally fly tipping your waste at additional cost to the council get your voice heard - it just makes you a hypocrite.

"We need to petition and fight this TOGETHER" - With this new found sense of unity and community spirit why don't you look to support the minority of those in your local community that may find these changes difficult to adjust to. As mentioned before there will be those with larger families etc. that require additional bin space. So why don't those caring supporting residents that you all report to be offer the surplus space in your bin?

All I'm saying is take a moment. A real moment and look at what you're fighting for, because I'm not sure most of you actually know. It's just easier to believe the hype and feel part of something profound.
Being part of a positive change should be your true goal but this requires giving a little something in return and it saddens me most aren't prepared to even try.
What saddens me is your pomposity and 'go along to get along' attitude. When you've taken your head out of the council's backside and finished telling us how ridiculous you think we are for standing up for what we believe in you should grow a back bone and get out of lala land. Stick that in your practically empty bin.
[quote][p][bold]postivechange[/bold] wrote: Gosh it's absolutely mind blowing watching grown adults behave like spoilt children that have had a toys taken away. The facts are simple - the borough as a whole do not recycle as much as is potentially possible. This is evident with the percentage figures that showed an initial recycling rate of 28%. Then collections moved to fortnightly and it created a storm (exactly the same as we're seeing now) because residents had to take a few extra seconds to divide their waste. What happened? The world didn't end. The borough wasn't overrun with this freak colony of rats we were promised by the scaremongers and as if by magic the recycling rate also increased. Bizarre! Guess what people - this is no different. It just requires another extra few seconds of care and attention and hey presto you'll find nothing will change. The most vocal out there are either i) stubborn and essentially lazy when it comes to the waste they're personally responsibly for creating ii) have a larger than average household and therefore expect a whole proposal to suit just them not the majority iii) cannot see the bigger picture. There's less money in the pot so do your bit to ensure that a different service that you or a family member will no doubt later rely on as a necessity isn't cut completely. I need to also address a few of the other ridiculous points raised: "My services are being cut so will my Council Tax be reduced?" - You're services aren't being cut. The recycling collections are increasing as should be the case if you're now taking the time to separate the waste correctly. This in turn GENERATES additional revenue. Plus if you're making savings in one area only to then reduce the amount of revenue from Council Tax this would cancel the saving and the £16m that still needs to be found remains the same. "Let's dump our waste at the Town Hall" - Have you heard yourselves?? You're adults asking to be heard/treated like adults. As it stands you have no idea whether this proposal will work or not. Why not see how you 'cope' and then offer some CONSTRUCTIVE feedback to help the Council work with it's residents rather than being locked in a perpetual 'us and them' mentality. These savings are in YOUR best interests. And anyway how will illegally fly tipping your waste at additional cost to the council get your voice heard - it just makes you a hypocrite. "We need to petition and fight this TOGETHER" - With this new found sense of unity and community spirit why don't you look to support the minority of those in your local community that may find these changes difficult to adjust to. As mentioned before there will be those with larger families etc. that require additional bin space. So why don't those caring supporting residents that you all report to be offer the surplus space in your bin? All I'm saying is take a moment. A real moment and look at what you're fighting for, because I'm not sure most of you actually know. It's just easier to believe the hype and feel part of something profound. Being part of a positive change should be your true goal but this requires giving a little something in return and it saddens me most aren't prepared to even try.[/p][/quote]What saddens me is your pomposity and 'go along to get along' attitude. When you've taken your head out of the council's backside and finished telling us how ridiculous you think we are for standing up for what we believe in you should grow a back bone and get out of lala land. Stick that in your practically empty bin. EmShambles
  • Score: 10

9:14pm Fri 11 Jul 14

forward thinker says...

EmShambles, the chap put together a reasonable side of the argument in a logical manner, what's wrong with that? Yes my views align with those of "positivechange", but other than a small number of people who have unusually large numbers residing in their house, I don't understand why people have a problem with the plan. The only reason bins might overflow is if people are too **** lazy to be bothered to separate their waste.
EmShambles, the chap put together a reasonable side of the argument in a logical manner, what's wrong with that? Yes my views align with those of "positivechange", but other than a small number of people who have unusually large numbers residing in their house, I don't understand why people have a problem with the plan. The only reason bins might overflow is if people are too **** lazy to be bothered to separate their waste. forward thinker
  • Score: -7

9:19pm Fri 11 Jul 14

Shane says...

postivechange wrote:
Gosh it's absolutely mind blowing watching grown adults behave like spoilt children that have had a toys taken away.

The facts are simple - the borough as a whole do not recycle as much as is potentially possible. This is evident with the percentage figures that showed an initial recycling rate of 28%. Then collections moved to fortnightly and it created a storm (exactly the same as we're seeing now) because residents had to take a few extra seconds to divide their waste. What happened? The world didn't end. The borough wasn't overrun with this freak colony of rats we were promised by the scaremongers and as if by magic the recycling rate also increased. Bizarre!

Guess what people - this is no different. It just requires another extra few seconds of care and attention and hey presto you'll find nothing will change.

The most vocal out there are either i) stubborn and essentially lazy when it comes to the waste they're personally responsibly for creating ii) have a larger than average household and therefore expect a whole proposal to suit just them not the majority iii) cannot see the bigger picture. There's less money in the pot so do your bit to ensure that a different service that you or a family member will no doubt later rely on as a necessity isn't cut completely.

I need to also address a few of the other ridiculous points raised:

"My services are being cut so will my Council Tax be reduced?" - You're services aren't being cut. The recycling collections are increasing as should be the case if you're now taking the time to separate the waste correctly. This in turn GENERATES additional revenue. Plus if you're making savings in one area only to then reduce the amount of revenue from Council Tax this would cancel the saving and the £16m that still needs to be found remains the same.

"Let's dump our waste at the Town Hall" - Have you heard yourselves?? You're adults asking to be heard/treated like adults. As it stands you have no idea whether this proposal will work or not. Why not see how you 'cope' and then offer some CONSTRUCTIVE feedback to help the Council work with it's residents rather than being locked in a perpetual 'us and them' mentality. These savings are in YOUR best interests. And anyway how will illegally fly tipping your waste at additional cost to the council get your voice heard - it just makes you a hypocrite.

"We need to petition and fight this TOGETHER" - With this new found sense of unity and community spirit why don't you look to support the minority of those in your local community that may find these changes difficult to adjust to. As mentioned before there will be those with larger families etc. that require additional bin space. So why don't those caring supporting residents that you all report to be offer the surplus space in your bin?

All I'm saying is take a moment. A real moment and look at what you're fighting for, because I'm not sure most of you actually know. It's just easier to believe the hype and feel part of something profound.
Being part of a positive change should be your true goal but this requires giving a little something in return and it saddens me most aren't prepared to even try.
Thanks for that Tony Isherwood.
[quote][p][bold]postivechange[/bold] wrote: Gosh it's absolutely mind blowing watching grown adults behave like spoilt children that have had a toys taken away. The facts are simple - the borough as a whole do not recycle as much as is potentially possible. This is evident with the percentage figures that showed an initial recycling rate of 28%. Then collections moved to fortnightly and it created a storm (exactly the same as we're seeing now) because residents had to take a few extra seconds to divide their waste. What happened? The world didn't end. The borough wasn't overrun with this freak colony of rats we were promised by the scaremongers and as if by magic the recycling rate also increased. Bizarre! Guess what people - this is no different. It just requires another extra few seconds of care and attention and hey presto you'll find nothing will change. The most vocal out there are either i) stubborn and essentially lazy when it comes to the waste they're personally responsibly for creating ii) have a larger than average household and therefore expect a whole proposal to suit just them not the majority iii) cannot see the bigger picture. There's less money in the pot so do your bit to ensure that a different service that you or a family member will no doubt later rely on as a necessity isn't cut completely. I need to also address a few of the other ridiculous points raised: "My services are being cut so will my Council Tax be reduced?" - You're services aren't being cut. The recycling collections are increasing as should be the case if you're now taking the time to separate the waste correctly. This in turn GENERATES additional revenue. Plus if you're making savings in one area only to then reduce the amount of revenue from Council Tax this would cancel the saving and the £16m that still needs to be found remains the same. "Let's dump our waste at the Town Hall" - Have you heard yourselves?? You're adults asking to be heard/treated like adults. As it stands you have no idea whether this proposal will work or not. Why not see how you 'cope' and then offer some CONSTRUCTIVE feedback to help the Council work with it's residents rather than being locked in a perpetual 'us and them' mentality. These savings are in YOUR best interests. And anyway how will illegally fly tipping your waste at additional cost to the council get your voice heard - it just makes you a hypocrite. "We need to petition and fight this TOGETHER" - With this new found sense of unity and community spirit why don't you look to support the minority of those in your local community that may find these changes difficult to adjust to. As mentioned before there will be those with larger families etc. that require additional bin space. So why don't those caring supporting residents that you all report to be offer the surplus space in your bin? All I'm saying is take a moment. A real moment and look at what you're fighting for, because I'm not sure most of you actually know. It's just easier to believe the hype and feel part of something profound. Being part of a positive change should be your true goal but this requires giving a little something in return and it saddens me most aren't prepared to even try.[/p][/quote]Thanks for that Tony Isherwood. Shane
  • Score: 6

9:36pm Fri 11 Jul 14

postivechange says...

EmShambles wrote:
postivechange wrote:
Gosh it's absolutely mind blowing watching grown adults behave like spoilt children that have had a toys taken away.

The facts are simple - the borough as a whole do not recycle as much as is potentially possible. This is evident with the percentage figures that showed an initial recycling rate of 28%. Then collections moved to fortnightly and it created a storm (exactly the same as we're seeing now) because residents had to take a few extra seconds to divide their waste. What happened? The world didn't end. The borough wasn't overrun with this freak colony of rats we were promised by the scaremongers and as if by magic the recycling rate also increased. Bizarre!

Guess what people - this is no different. It just requires another extra few seconds of care and attention and hey presto you'll find nothing will change.

The most vocal out there are either i) stubborn and essentially lazy when it comes to the waste they're personally responsibly for creating ii) have a larger than average household and therefore expect a whole proposal to suit just them not the majority iii) cannot see the bigger picture. There's less money in the pot so do your bit to ensure that a different service that you or a family member will no doubt later rely on as a necessity isn't cut completely.

I need to also address a few of the other ridiculous points raised:

"My services are being cut so will my Council Tax be reduced?" - You're services aren't being cut. The recycling collections are increasing as should be the case if you're now taking the time to separate the waste correctly. This in turn GENERATES additional revenue. Plus if you're making savings in one area only to then reduce the amount of revenue from Council Tax this would cancel the saving and the £16m that still needs to be found remains the same.

"Let's dump our waste at the Town Hall" - Have you heard yourselves?? You're adults asking to be heard/treated like adults. As it stands you have no idea whether this proposal will work or not. Why not see how you 'cope' and then offer some CONSTRUCTIVE feedback to help the Council work with it's residents rather than being locked in a perpetual 'us and them' mentality. These savings are in YOUR best interests. And anyway how will illegally fly tipping your waste at additional cost to the council get your voice heard - it just makes you a hypocrite.

"We need to petition and fight this TOGETHER" - With this new found sense of unity and community spirit why don't you look to support the minority of those in your local community that may find these changes difficult to adjust to. As mentioned before there will be those with larger families etc. that require additional bin space. So why don't those caring supporting residents that you all report to be offer the surplus space in your bin?

All I'm saying is take a moment. A real moment and look at what you're fighting for, because I'm not sure most of you actually know. It's just easier to believe the hype and feel part of something profound.
Being part of a positive change should be your true goal but this requires giving a little something in return and it saddens me most aren't prepared to even try.
What saddens me is your pomposity and 'go along to get along' attitude. When you've taken your head out of the council's backside and finished telling us how ridiculous you think we are for standing up for what we believe in you should grow a back bone and get out of lala land. Stick that in your practically empty bin.
Just the simple minded and frankly pointless retort I expected from someone claiming to be putting the 'peoples' best interests at heart. Thank you for not disappointing and reiterating why the council have a problem. YOU are the problem.

So lets say you are successful in your campaign and bin collections revert back to the way you want. This still leaves a hole in the savings required so the council then have to look at recouping this lost revenue elsewhere - closing a small village library perhaps? Cut the capacity of a care home that look after the elderly and infirm? Cease to employ more teachers so the pupil admittance rates are reduced? You'd be then be straight back on the protest at all these proposals and this time it would be understandable.... But it still leaves the £16m elephant in the room!!

What you need to look at is the overall picture. Making a relatively small change now to a service that does have a proven capacity to improve or in the future lose a vital service that shouldn't be touched.

I get that this is an emotive subject because for most the bins are the only council service you have a conscious involvement with and it's the main thing associated with paying council tax. But get your head out of the sand and live in the real world - it's a bin collection.
[quote][p][bold]EmShambles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]postivechange[/bold] wrote: Gosh it's absolutely mind blowing watching grown adults behave like spoilt children that have had a toys taken away. The facts are simple - the borough as a whole do not recycle as much as is potentially possible. This is evident with the percentage figures that showed an initial recycling rate of 28%. Then collections moved to fortnightly and it created a storm (exactly the same as we're seeing now) because residents had to take a few extra seconds to divide their waste. What happened? The world didn't end. The borough wasn't overrun with this freak colony of rats we were promised by the scaremongers and as if by magic the recycling rate also increased. Bizarre! Guess what people - this is no different. It just requires another extra few seconds of care and attention and hey presto you'll find nothing will change. The most vocal out there are either i) stubborn and essentially lazy when it comes to the waste they're personally responsibly for creating ii) have a larger than average household and therefore expect a whole proposal to suit just them not the majority iii) cannot see the bigger picture. There's less money in the pot so do your bit to ensure that a different service that you or a family member will no doubt later rely on as a necessity isn't cut completely. I need to also address a few of the other ridiculous points raised: "My services are being cut so will my Council Tax be reduced?" - You're services aren't being cut. The recycling collections are increasing as should be the case if you're now taking the time to separate the waste correctly. This in turn GENERATES additional revenue. Plus if you're making savings in one area only to then reduce the amount of revenue from Council Tax this would cancel the saving and the £16m that still needs to be found remains the same. "Let's dump our waste at the Town Hall" - Have you heard yourselves?? You're adults asking to be heard/treated like adults. As it stands you have no idea whether this proposal will work or not. Why not see how you 'cope' and then offer some CONSTRUCTIVE feedback to help the Council work with it's residents rather than being locked in a perpetual 'us and them' mentality. These savings are in YOUR best interests. And anyway how will illegally fly tipping your waste at additional cost to the council get your voice heard - it just makes you a hypocrite. "We need to petition and fight this TOGETHER" - With this new found sense of unity and community spirit why don't you look to support the minority of those in your local community that may find these changes difficult to adjust to. As mentioned before there will be those with larger families etc. that require additional bin space. So why don't those caring supporting residents that you all report to be offer the surplus space in your bin? All I'm saying is take a moment. A real moment and look at what you're fighting for, because I'm not sure most of you actually know. It's just easier to believe the hype and feel part of something profound. Being part of a positive change should be your true goal but this requires giving a little something in return and it saddens me most aren't prepared to even try.[/p][/quote]What saddens me is your pomposity and 'go along to get along' attitude. When you've taken your head out of the council's backside and finished telling us how ridiculous you think we are for standing up for what we believe in you should grow a back bone and get out of lala land. Stick that in your practically empty bin.[/p][/quote]Just the simple minded and frankly pointless retort I expected from someone claiming to be putting the 'peoples' best interests at heart. Thank you for not disappointing and reiterating why the council have a problem. YOU are the problem. So lets say you are successful in your campaign and bin collections revert back to the way you want. This still leaves a hole in the savings required so the council then have to look at recouping this lost revenue elsewhere - closing a small village library perhaps? Cut the capacity of a care home that look after the elderly and infirm? Cease to employ more teachers so the pupil admittance rates are reduced? You'd be then be straight back on the protest at all these proposals and this time it would be understandable.... But it still leaves the £16m elephant in the room!! What you need to look at is the overall picture. Making a relatively small change now to a service that does have a proven capacity to improve or in the future lose a vital service that shouldn't be touched. I get that this is an emotive subject because for most the bins are the only council service you have a conscious involvement with and it's the main thing associated with paying council tax. But get your head out of the sand and live in the real world - it's a bin collection. postivechange
  • Score: -7

9:54pm Fri 11 Jul 14

EmShambles says...

postivechange wrote:
EmShambles wrote:
postivechange wrote:
Gosh it's absolutely mind blowing watching grown adults behave like spoilt children that have had a toys taken away.

The facts are simple - the borough as a whole do not recycle as much as is potentially possible. This is evident with the percentage figures that showed an initial recycling rate of 28%. Then collections moved to fortnightly and it created a storm (exactly the same as we're seeing now) because residents had to take a few extra seconds to divide their waste. What happened? The world didn't end. The borough wasn't overrun with this freak colony of rats we were promised by the scaremongers and as if by magic the recycling rate also increased. Bizarre!

Guess what people - this is no different. It just requires another extra few seconds of care and attention and hey presto you'll find nothing will change.

The most vocal out there are either i) stubborn and essentially lazy when it comes to the waste they're personally responsibly for creating ii) have a larger than average household and therefore expect a whole proposal to suit just them not the majority iii) cannot see the bigger picture. There's less money in the pot so do your bit to ensure that a different service that you or a family member will no doubt later rely on as a necessity isn't cut completely.

I need to also address a few of the other ridiculous points raised:

"My services are being cut so will my Council Tax be reduced?" - You're services aren't being cut. The recycling collections are increasing as should be the case if you're now taking the time to separate the waste correctly. This in turn GENERATES additional revenue. Plus if you're making savings in one area only to then reduce the amount of revenue from Council Tax this would cancel the saving and the £16m that still needs to be found remains the same.

"Let's dump our waste at the Town Hall" - Have you heard yourselves?? You're adults asking to be heard/treated like adults. As it stands you have no idea whether this proposal will work or not. Why not see how you 'cope' and then offer some CONSTRUCTIVE feedback to help the Council work with it's residents rather than being locked in a perpetual 'us and them' mentality. These savings are in YOUR best interests. And anyway how will illegally fly tipping your waste at additional cost to the council get your voice heard - it just makes you a hypocrite.

"We need to petition and fight this TOGETHER" - With this new found sense of unity and community spirit why don't you look to support the minority of those in your local community that may find these changes difficult to adjust to. As mentioned before there will be those with larger families etc. that require additional bin space. So why don't those caring supporting residents that you all report to be offer the surplus space in your bin?

All I'm saying is take a moment. A real moment and look at what you're fighting for, because I'm not sure most of you actually know. It's just easier to believe the hype and feel part of something profound.
Being part of a positive change should be your true goal but this requires giving a little something in return and it saddens me most aren't prepared to even try.
What saddens me is your pomposity and 'go along to get along' attitude. When you've taken your head out of the council's backside and finished telling us how ridiculous you think we are for standing up for what we believe in you should grow a back bone and get out of lala land. Stick that in your practically empty bin.
Just the simple minded and frankly pointless retort I expected from someone claiming to be putting the 'peoples' best interests at heart. Thank you for not disappointing and reiterating why the council have a problem. YOU are the problem.

So lets say you are successful in your campaign and bin collections revert back to the way you want. This still leaves a hole in the savings required so the council then have to look at recouping this lost revenue elsewhere - closing a small village library perhaps? Cut the capacity of a care home that look after the elderly and infirm? Cease to employ more teachers so the pupil admittance rates are reduced? You'd be then be straight back on the protest at all these proposals and this time it would be understandable.... But it still leaves the £16m elephant in the room!!

What you need to look at is the overall picture. Making a relatively small change now to a service that does have a proven capacity to improve or in the future lose a vital service that shouldn't be touched.

I get that this is an emotive subject because for most the bins are the only council service you have a conscious involvement with and it's the main thing associated with paying council tax. But get your head out of the sand and live in the real world - it's a bin collection.
Oh well done! You've won me over.You're right! It's not the council at fault,it's me! You've made your point and now I understand.You strange,condescendin
g gobshite.
[quote][p][bold]postivechange[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EmShambles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]postivechange[/bold] wrote: Gosh it's absolutely mind blowing watching grown adults behave like spoilt children that have had a toys taken away. The facts are simple - the borough as a whole do not recycle as much as is potentially possible. This is evident with the percentage figures that showed an initial recycling rate of 28%. Then collections moved to fortnightly and it created a storm (exactly the same as we're seeing now) because residents had to take a few extra seconds to divide their waste. What happened? The world didn't end. The borough wasn't overrun with this freak colony of rats we were promised by the scaremongers and as if by magic the recycling rate also increased. Bizarre! Guess what people - this is no different. It just requires another extra few seconds of care and attention and hey presto you'll find nothing will change. The most vocal out there are either i) stubborn and essentially lazy when it comes to the waste they're personally responsibly for creating ii) have a larger than average household and therefore expect a whole proposal to suit just them not the majority iii) cannot see the bigger picture. There's less money in the pot so do your bit to ensure that a different service that you or a family member will no doubt later rely on as a necessity isn't cut completely. I need to also address a few of the other ridiculous points raised: "My services are being cut so will my Council Tax be reduced?" - You're services aren't being cut. The recycling collections are increasing as should be the case if you're now taking the time to separate the waste correctly. This in turn GENERATES additional revenue. Plus if you're making savings in one area only to then reduce the amount of revenue from Council Tax this would cancel the saving and the £16m that still needs to be found remains the same. "Let's dump our waste at the Town Hall" - Have you heard yourselves?? You're adults asking to be heard/treated like adults. As it stands you have no idea whether this proposal will work or not. Why not see how you 'cope' and then offer some CONSTRUCTIVE feedback to help the Council work with it's residents rather than being locked in a perpetual 'us and them' mentality. These savings are in YOUR best interests. And anyway how will illegally fly tipping your waste at additional cost to the council get your voice heard - it just makes you a hypocrite. "We need to petition and fight this TOGETHER" - With this new found sense of unity and community spirit why don't you look to support the minority of those in your local community that may find these changes difficult to adjust to. As mentioned before there will be those with larger families etc. that require additional bin space. So why don't those caring supporting residents that you all report to be offer the surplus space in your bin? All I'm saying is take a moment. A real moment and look at what you're fighting for, because I'm not sure most of you actually know. It's just easier to believe the hype and feel part of something profound. Being part of a positive change should be your true goal but this requires giving a little something in return and it saddens me most aren't prepared to even try.[/p][/quote]What saddens me is your pomposity and 'go along to get along' attitude. When you've taken your head out of the council's backside and finished telling us how ridiculous you think we are for standing up for what we believe in you should grow a back bone and get out of lala land. Stick that in your practically empty bin.[/p][/quote]Just the simple minded and frankly pointless retort I expected from someone claiming to be putting the 'peoples' best interests at heart. Thank you for not disappointing and reiterating why the council have a problem. YOU are the problem. So lets say you are successful in your campaign and bin collections revert back to the way you want. This still leaves a hole in the savings required so the council then have to look at recouping this lost revenue elsewhere - closing a small village library perhaps? Cut the capacity of a care home that look after the elderly and infirm? Cease to employ more teachers so the pupil admittance rates are reduced? You'd be then be straight back on the protest at all these proposals and this time it would be understandable.... But it still leaves the £16m elephant in the room!! What you need to look at is the overall picture. Making a relatively small change now to a service that does have a proven capacity to improve or in the future lose a vital service that shouldn't be touched. I get that this is an emotive subject because for most the bins are the only council service you have a conscious involvement with and it's the main thing associated with paying council tax. But get your head out of the sand and live in the real world - it's a bin collection.[/p][/quote]Oh well done! You've won me over.You're right! It's not the council at fault,it's me! You've made your point and now I understand.You strange,condescendin g gobshite. EmShambles
  • Score: 11

2:27am Sat 12 Jul 14

red menace says...

There will be a new council in May 2015 anyway.
This current one has dug its own grave.....
There will be a new council in May 2015 anyway. This current one has dug its own grave..... red menace
  • Score: 7

10:52am Sat 12 Jul 14

postivechange says...

EmShambles wrote:
postivechange wrote:
EmShambles wrote:
postivechange wrote:
Gosh it's absolutely mind blowing watching grown adults behave like spoilt children that have had a toys taken away.

The facts are simple - the borough as a whole do not recycle as much as is potentially possible. This is evident with the percentage figures that showed an initial recycling rate of 28%. Then collections moved to fortnightly and it created a storm (exactly the same as we're seeing now) because residents had to take a few extra seconds to divide their waste. What happened? The world didn't end. The borough wasn't overrun with this freak colony of rats we were promised by the scaremongers and as if by magic the recycling rate also increased. Bizarre!

Guess what people - this is no different. It just requires another extra few seconds of care and attention and hey presto you'll find nothing will change.

The most vocal out there are either i) stubborn and essentially lazy when it comes to the waste they're personally responsibly for creating ii) have a larger than average household and therefore expect a whole proposal to suit just them not the majority iii) cannot see the bigger picture. There's less money in the pot so do your bit to ensure that a different service that you or a family member will no doubt later rely on as a necessity isn't cut completely.

I need to also address a few of the other ridiculous points raised:

"My services are being cut so will my Council Tax be reduced?" - You're services aren't being cut. The recycling collections are increasing as should be the case if you're now taking the time to separate the waste correctly. This in turn GENERATES additional revenue. Plus if you're making savings in one area only to then reduce the amount of revenue from Council Tax this would cancel the saving and the £16m that still needs to be found remains the same.

"Let's dump our waste at the Town Hall" - Have you heard yourselves?? You're adults asking to be heard/treated like adults. As it stands you have no idea whether this proposal will work or not. Why not see how you 'cope' and then offer some CONSTRUCTIVE feedback to help the Council work with it's residents rather than being locked in a perpetual 'us and them' mentality. These savings are in YOUR best interests. And anyway how will illegally fly tipping your waste at additional cost to the council get your voice heard - it just makes you a hypocrite.

"We need to petition and fight this TOGETHER" - With this new found sense of unity and community spirit why don't you look to support the minority of those in your local community that may find these changes difficult to adjust to. As mentioned before there will be those with larger families etc. that require additional bin space. So why don't those caring supporting residents that you all report to be offer the surplus space in your bin?

All I'm saying is take a moment. A real moment and look at what you're fighting for, because I'm not sure most of you actually know. It's just easier to believe the hype and feel part of something profound.
Being part of a positive change should be your true goal but this requires giving a little something in return and it saddens me most aren't prepared to even try.
What saddens me is your pomposity and 'go along to get along' attitude. When you've taken your head out of the council's backside and finished telling us how ridiculous you think we are for standing up for what we believe in you should grow a back bone and get out of lala land. Stick that in your practically empty bin.
Just the simple minded and frankly pointless retort I expected from someone claiming to be putting the 'peoples' best interests at heart. Thank you for not disappointing and reiterating why the council have a problem. YOU are the problem.

So lets say you are successful in your campaign and bin collections revert back to the way you want. This still leaves a hole in the savings required so the council then have to look at recouping this lost revenue elsewhere - closing a small village library perhaps? Cut the capacity of a care home that look after the elderly and infirm? Cease to employ more teachers so the pupil admittance rates are reduced? You'd be then be straight back on the protest at all these proposals and this time it would be understandable.... But it still leaves the £16m elephant in the room!!

What you need to look at is the overall picture. Making a relatively small change now to a service that does have a proven capacity to improve or in the future lose a vital service that shouldn't be touched.

I get that this is an emotive subject because for most the bins are the only council service you have a conscious involvement with and it's the main thing associated with paying council tax. But get your head out of the sand and live in the real world - it's a bin collection.
Oh well done! You've won me over.You're right! It's not the council at fault,it's me! You've made your point and now I understand.You strange,condescendin

g gobshite.
EmShambles - offering pointless replies to detract from your evident lack of understanding is a waste of a voice.

So please, the stage is yours, dazzle us with your obvious in depth knowledge of managing a Council budget and put forward your proposals that meet the needs of the 190'000+ people in the borough not just the 9 in your household.

I'm confident this will be met with either deafening silence or another 'witty' slur.
[quote][p][bold]EmShambles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]postivechange[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EmShambles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]postivechange[/bold] wrote: Gosh it's absolutely mind blowing watching grown adults behave like spoilt children that have had a toys taken away. The facts are simple - the borough as a whole do not recycle as much as is potentially possible. This is evident with the percentage figures that showed an initial recycling rate of 28%. Then collections moved to fortnightly and it created a storm (exactly the same as we're seeing now) because residents had to take a few extra seconds to divide their waste. What happened? The world didn't end. The borough wasn't overrun with this freak colony of rats we were promised by the scaremongers and as if by magic the recycling rate also increased. Bizarre! Guess what people - this is no different. It just requires another extra few seconds of care and attention and hey presto you'll find nothing will change. The most vocal out there are either i) stubborn and essentially lazy when it comes to the waste they're personally responsibly for creating ii) have a larger than average household and therefore expect a whole proposal to suit just them not the majority iii) cannot see the bigger picture. There's less money in the pot so do your bit to ensure that a different service that you or a family member will no doubt later rely on as a necessity isn't cut completely. I need to also address a few of the other ridiculous points raised: "My services are being cut so will my Council Tax be reduced?" - You're services aren't being cut. The recycling collections are increasing as should be the case if you're now taking the time to separate the waste correctly. This in turn GENERATES additional revenue. Plus if you're making savings in one area only to then reduce the amount of revenue from Council Tax this would cancel the saving and the £16m that still needs to be found remains the same. "Let's dump our waste at the Town Hall" - Have you heard yourselves?? You're adults asking to be heard/treated like adults. As it stands you have no idea whether this proposal will work or not. Why not see how you 'cope' and then offer some CONSTRUCTIVE feedback to help the Council work with it's residents rather than being locked in a perpetual 'us and them' mentality. These savings are in YOUR best interests. And anyway how will illegally fly tipping your waste at additional cost to the council get your voice heard - it just makes you a hypocrite. "We need to petition and fight this TOGETHER" - With this new found sense of unity and community spirit why don't you look to support the minority of those in your local community that may find these changes difficult to adjust to. As mentioned before there will be those with larger families etc. that require additional bin space. So why don't those caring supporting residents that you all report to be offer the surplus space in your bin? All I'm saying is take a moment. A real moment and look at what you're fighting for, because I'm not sure most of you actually know. It's just easier to believe the hype and feel part of something profound. Being part of a positive change should be your true goal but this requires giving a little something in return and it saddens me most aren't prepared to even try.[/p][/quote]What saddens me is your pomposity and 'go along to get along' attitude. When you've taken your head out of the council's backside and finished telling us how ridiculous you think we are for standing up for what we believe in you should grow a back bone and get out of lala land. Stick that in your practically empty bin.[/p][/quote]Just the simple minded and frankly pointless retort I expected from someone claiming to be putting the 'peoples' best interests at heart. Thank you for not disappointing and reiterating why the council have a problem. YOU are the problem. So lets say you are successful in your campaign and bin collections revert back to the way you want. This still leaves a hole in the savings required so the council then have to look at recouping this lost revenue elsewhere - closing a small village library perhaps? Cut the capacity of a care home that look after the elderly and infirm? Cease to employ more teachers so the pupil admittance rates are reduced? You'd be then be straight back on the protest at all these proposals and this time it would be understandable.... But it still leaves the £16m elephant in the room!! What you need to look at is the overall picture. Making a relatively small change now to a service that does have a proven capacity to improve or in the future lose a vital service that shouldn't be touched. I get that this is an emotive subject because for most the bins are the only council service you have a conscious involvement with and it's the main thing associated with paying council tax. But get your head out of the sand and live in the real world - it's a bin collection.[/p][/quote]Oh well done! You've won me over.You're right! It's not the council at fault,it's me! You've made your point and now I understand.You strange,condescendin g gobshite.[/p][/quote]EmShambles - offering pointless replies to detract from your evident lack of understanding is a waste of a voice. So please, the stage is yours, dazzle us with your obvious in depth knowledge of managing a Council budget and put forward your proposals that meet the needs of the 190'000+ people in the borough not just the 9 in your household. I'm confident this will be met with either deafening silence or another 'witty' slur. postivechange
  • Score: -4

1:51pm Sat 12 Jul 14

forward thinker says...

If we can stay on topic a bit here folks and not resort to silliness, that'd be great.

I'm trying to list the pro's and cons of this venture, but if I'm missing something that might change my view, then please enlighten me as I'm not the stubborn type who refuses to change their mind.

Pro's:
1- Money saving.
2- Possibly money making due to value of recyclables.
3- Greener borough and more environmentally friendly in general.

Cons:
1- Some people will overfill their bin (though correct recycling would, I think in most cases, eliminate this)
2- The smell (the smell comes from rotting food waste which should be put in brown bins whose collection frequency will be unaffected)

Have I missed a genuine problem?
If we can stay on topic a bit here folks and not resort to silliness, that'd be great. I'm trying to list the pro's and cons of this venture, but if I'm missing something that might change my view, then please enlighten me as I'm not the stubborn type who refuses to change their mind. Pro's: 1- Money saving. 2- Possibly money making due to value of recyclables. 3- Greener borough and more environmentally friendly in general. Cons: 1- Some people will overfill their bin (though correct recycling would, I think in most cases, eliminate this) 2- The smell (the smell comes from rotting food waste which should be put in brown bins whose collection frequency will be unaffected) Have I missed a genuine problem? forward thinker
  • Score: 4

3:59pm Sat 12 Jul 14

EmShambles says...

postivechange wrote:
EmShambles wrote:
postivechange wrote:
EmShambles wrote:
postivechange wrote:
Gosh it's absolutely mind blowing watching grown adults behave like spoilt children that have had a toys taken away.

The facts are simple - the borough as a whole do not recycle as much as is potentially possible. This is evident with the percentage figures that showed an initial recycling rate of 28%. Then collections moved to fortnightly and it created a storm (exactly the same as we're seeing now) because residents had to take a few extra seconds to divide their waste. What happened? The world didn't end. The borough wasn't overrun with this freak colony of rats we were promised by the scaremongers and as if by magic the recycling rate also increased. Bizarre!

Guess what people - this is no different. It just requires another extra few seconds of care and attention and hey presto you'll find nothing will change.

The most vocal out there are either i) stubborn and essentially lazy when it comes to the waste they're personally responsibly for creating ii) have a larger than average household and therefore expect a whole proposal to suit just them not the majority iii) cannot see the bigger picture. There's less money in the pot so do your bit to ensure that a different service that you or a family member will no doubt later rely on as a necessity isn't cut completely.

I need to also address a few of the other ridiculous points raised:

"My services are being cut so will my Council Tax be reduced?" - You're services aren't being cut. The recycling collections are increasing as should be the case if you're now taking the time to separate the waste correctly. This in turn GENERATES additional revenue. Plus if you're making savings in one area only to then reduce the amount of revenue from Council Tax this would cancel the saving and the £16m that still needs to be found remains the same.

"Let's dump our waste at the Town Hall" - Have you heard yourselves?? You're adults asking to be heard/treated like adults. As it stands you have no idea whether this proposal will work or not. Why not see how you 'cope' and then offer some CONSTRUCTIVE feedback to help the Council work with it's residents rather than being locked in a perpetual 'us and them' mentality. These savings are in YOUR best interests. And anyway how will illegally fly tipping your waste at additional cost to the council get your voice heard - it just makes you a hypocrite.

"We need to petition and fight this TOGETHER" - With this new found sense of unity and community spirit why don't you look to support the minority of those in your local community that may find these changes difficult to adjust to. As mentioned before there will be those with larger families etc. that require additional bin space. So why don't those caring supporting residents that you all report to be offer the surplus space in your bin?

All I'm saying is take a moment. A real moment and look at what you're fighting for, because I'm not sure most of you actually know. It's just easier to believe the hype and feel part of something profound.
Being part of a positive change should be your true goal but this requires giving a little something in return and it saddens me most aren't prepared to even try.
What saddens me is your pomposity and 'go along to get along' attitude. When you've taken your head out of the council's backside and finished telling us how ridiculous you think we are for standing up for what we believe in you should grow a back bone and get out of lala land. Stick that in your practically empty bin.
Just the simple minded and frankly pointless retort I expected from someone claiming to be putting the 'peoples' best interests at heart. Thank you for not disappointing and reiterating why the council have a problem. YOU are the problem.

So lets say you are successful in your campaign and bin collections revert back to the way you want. This still leaves a hole in the savings required so the council then have to look at recouping this lost revenue elsewhere - closing a small village library perhaps? Cut the capacity of a care home that look after the elderly and infirm? Cease to employ more teachers so the pupil admittance rates are reduced? You'd be then be straight back on the protest at all these proposals and this time it would be understandable.... But it still leaves the £16m elephant in the room!!

What you need to look at is the overall picture. Making a relatively small change now to a service that does have a proven capacity to improve or in the future lose a vital service that shouldn't be touched.

I get that this is an emotive subject because for most the bins are the only council service you have a conscious involvement with and it's the main thing associated with paying council tax. But get your head out of the sand and live in the real world - it's a bin collection.
Oh well done! You've won me over.You're right! It's not the council at fault,it's me! You've made your point and now I understand.You strange,condescendin


g gobshite.
EmShambles - offering pointless replies to detract from your evident lack of understanding is a waste of a voice.

So please, the stage is yours, dazzle us with your obvious in depth knowledge of managing a Council budget and put forward your proposals that meet the needs of the 190'000+ people in the borough not just the 9 in your household.

I'm confident this will be met with either deafening silence or another 'witty' slur.
It's not right. I haven't spoken to a single person on the street in favour of 3 weekly collection. I'm not the only person in bury with a large family. There are families who use their grey bins for nappies and families who use their bin for waste from medical issues. I don't work for the council and therefore I have no idea where they are saving and spending I'm not trying to be clever nor am I making a political statement.I just feel,like the majority of people I've spoken to that waste collection should be a high priority. Vermin,disease and fly tipping may become a problem if this (when this) silly idea goes ahead. I thought this council would sort out all the problems.It's making more. I don't know anybody that doesn't already recycle what they can.I feel many of us are being penalised for sake of the lazy few.I also apologise for calling you a gobshite. I just say what I see! X
[quote][p][bold]postivechange[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EmShambles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]postivechange[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EmShambles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]postivechange[/bold] wrote: Gosh it's absolutely mind blowing watching grown adults behave like spoilt children that have had a toys taken away. The facts are simple - the borough as a whole do not recycle as much as is potentially possible. This is evident with the percentage figures that showed an initial recycling rate of 28%. Then collections moved to fortnightly and it created a storm (exactly the same as we're seeing now) because residents had to take a few extra seconds to divide their waste. What happened? The world didn't end. The borough wasn't overrun with this freak colony of rats we were promised by the scaremongers and as if by magic the recycling rate also increased. Bizarre! Guess what people - this is no different. It just requires another extra few seconds of care and attention and hey presto you'll find nothing will change. The most vocal out there are either i) stubborn and essentially lazy when it comes to the waste they're personally responsibly for creating ii) have a larger than average household and therefore expect a whole proposal to suit just them not the majority iii) cannot see the bigger picture. There's less money in the pot so do your bit to ensure that a different service that you or a family member will no doubt later rely on as a necessity isn't cut completely. I need to also address a few of the other ridiculous points raised: "My services are being cut so will my Council Tax be reduced?" - You're services aren't being cut. The recycling collections are increasing as should be the case if you're now taking the time to separate the waste correctly. This in turn GENERATES additional revenue. Plus if you're making savings in one area only to then reduce the amount of revenue from Council Tax this would cancel the saving and the £16m that still needs to be found remains the same. "Let's dump our waste at the Town Hall" - Have you heard yourselves?? You're adults asking to be heard/treated like adults. As it stands you have no idea whether this proposal will work or not. Why not see how you 'cope' and then offer some CONSTRUCTIVE feedback to help the Council work with it's residents rather than being locked in a perpetual 'us and them' mentality. These savings are in YOUR best interests. And anyway how will illegally fly tipping your waste at additional cost to the council get your voice heard - it just makes you a hypocrite. "We need to petition and fight this TOGETHER" - With this new found sense of unity and community spirit why don't you look to support the minority of those in your local community that may find these changes difficult to adjust to. As mentioned before there will be those with larger families etc. that require additional bin space. So why don't those caring supporting residents that you all report to be offer the surplus space in your bin? All I'm saying is take a moment. A real moment and look at what you're fighting for, because I'm not sure most of you actually know. It's just easier to believe the hype and feel part of something profound. Being part of a positive change should be your true goal but this requires giving a little something in return and it saddens me most aren't prepared to even try.[/p][/quote]What saddens me is your pomposity and 'go along to get along' attitude. When you've taken your head out of the council's backside and finished telling us how ridiculous you think we are for standing up for what we believe in you should grow a back bone and get out of lala land. Stick that in your practically empty bin.[/p][/quote]Just the simple minded and frankly pointless retort I expected from someone claiming to be putting the 'peoples' best interests at heart. Thank you for not disappointing and reiterating why the council have a problem. YOU are the problem. So lets say you are successful in your campaign and bin collections revert back to the way you want. This still leaves a hole in the savings required so the council then have to look at recouping this lost revenue elsewhere - closing a small village library perhaps? Cut the capacity of a care home that look after the elderly and infirm? Cease to employ more teachers so the pupil admittance rates are reduced? You'd be then be straight back on the protest at all these proposals and this time it would be understandable.... But it still leaves the £16m elephant in the room!! What you need to look at is the overall picture. Making a relatively small change now to a service that does have a proven capacity to improve or in the future lose a vital service that shouldn't be touched. I get that this is an emotive subject because for most the bins are the only council service you have a conscious involvement with and it's the main thing associated with paying council tax. But get your head out of the sand and live in the real world - it's a bin collection.[/p][/quote]Oh well done! You've won me over.You're right! It's not the council at fault,it's me! You've made your point and now I understand.You strange,condescendin g gobshite.[/p][/quote]EmShambles - offering pointless replies to detract from your evident lack of understanding is a waste of a voice. So please, the stage is yours, dazzle us with your obvious in depth knowledge of managing a Council budget and put forward your proposals that meet the needs of the 190'000+ people in the borough not just the 9 in your household. I'm confident this will be met with either deafening silence or another 'witty' slur.[/p][/quote]It's not right. I haven't spoken to a single person on the street in favour of 3 weekly collection. I'm not the only person in bury with a large family. There are families who use their grey bins for nappies and families who use their bin for waste from medical issues. I don't work for the council and therefore I have no idea where they are saving and spending I'm not trying to be clever nor am I making a political statement.I just feel,like the majority of people I've spoken to that waste collection should be a high priority. Vermin,disease and fly tipping may become a problem if this (when this) silly idea goes ahead. I thought this council would sort out all the problems.It's making more. I don't know anybody that doesn't already recycle what they can.I feel many of us are being penalised for sake of the lazy few.I also apologise for calling you a gobshite. I just say what I see! X EmShambles
  • Score: 5

11:34pm Sat 12 Jul 14

Shane says...

forward thinker wrote:
If we can stay on topic a bit here folks and not resort to silliness, that'd be great.

I'm trying to list the pro's and cons of this venture, but if I'm missing something that might change my view, then please enlighten me as I'm not the stubborn type who refuses to change their mind.

Pro's:
1- Money saving.
2- Possibly money making due to value of recyclables.
3- Greener borough and more environmentally friendly in general.

Cons:
1- Some people will overfill their bin (though correct recycling would, I think in most cases, eliminate this)
2- The smell (the smell comes from rotting food waste which should be put in brown bins whose collection frequency will be unaffected)

Have I missed a genuine problem?
Pro's:
1. Keeps the rats and flies away from Rochdale
2. Increase of employment in the pest control business
3. Another nail in the coffin for the Labour controlled Council
4. Ultimate proof that the lunatics have taken over the asylum

Cons:
1. ??????????
[quote][p][bold]forward thinker[/bold] wrote: If we can stay on topic a bit here folks and not resort to silliness, that'd be great. I'm trying to list the pro's and cons of this venture, but if I'm missing something that might change my view, then please enlighten me as I'm not the stubborn type who refuses to change their mind. Pro's: 1- Money saving. 2- Possibly money making due to value of recyclables. 3- Greener borough and more environmentally friendly in general. Cons: 1- Some people will overfill their bin (though correct recycling would, I think in most cases, eliminate this) 2- The smell (the smell comes from rotting food waste which should be put in brown bins whose collection frequency will be unaffected) Have I missed a genuine problem?[/p][/quote]Pro's: 1. Keeps the rats and flies away from Rochdale 2. Increase of employment in the pest control business 3. Another nail in the coffin for the Labour controlled Council 4. Ultimate proof that the lunatics have taken over the asylum Cons: 1. ?????????? Shane
  • Score: 0

9:10am Mon 14 Jul 14

forward thinker says...

Shane wrote:
forward thinker wrote:
If we can stay on topic a bit here folks and not resort to silliness, that'd be great.

I'm trying to list the pro's and cons of this venture, but if I'm missing something that might change my view, then please enlighten me as I'm not the stubborn type who refuses to change their mind.

Pro's:
1- Money saving.
2- Possibly money making due to value of recyclables.
3- Greener borough and more environmentally friendly in general.

Cons:
1- Some people will overfill their bin (though correct recycling would, I think in most cases, eliminate this)
2- The smell (the smell comes from rotting food waste which should be put in brown bins whose collection frequency will be unaffected)

Have I missed a genuine problem?
Pro's:
1. Keeps the rats and flies away from Rochdale
2. Increase of employment in the pest control business
3. Another nail in the coffin for the Labour controlled Council
4. Ultimate proof that the lunatics have taken over the asylum

Cons:
1. ??????????
This is the problem, nobody can give a serious response to counter my view. Regarding your first point; are these the same rats and flies that everyone was up in arms about when they proposed moving to a fortnightly collection? Also, as previously stated, food waste goes in the brown bins which are unaffected by the GREY bins being collected every 3 weeks.

Other than the old "I'm scared of change!" reasoning, is there a good reason for not going to 3 week collections?
[quote][p][bold]Shane[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forward thinker[/bold] wrote: If we can stay on topic a bit here folks and not resort to silliness, that'd be great. I'm trying to list the pro's and cons of this venture, but if I'm missing something that might change my view, then please enlighten me as I'm not the stubborn type who refuses to change their mind. Pro's: 1- Money saving. 2- Possibly money making due to value of recyclables. 3- Greener borough and more environmentally friendly in general. Cons: 1- Some people will overfill their bin (though correct recycling would, I think in most cases, eliminate this) 2- The smell (the smell comes from rotting food waste which should be put in brown bins whose collection frequency will be unaffected) Have I missed a genuine problem?[/p][/quote]Pro's: 1. Keeps the rats and flies away from Rochdale 2. Increase of employment in the pest control business 3. Another nail in the coffin for the Labour controlled Council 4. Ultimate proof that the lunatics have taken over the asylum Cons: 1. ??????????[/p][/quote]This is the problem, nobody can give a serious response to counter my view. Regarding your first point; are these the same rats and flies that everyone was up in arms about when they proposed moving to a fortnightly collection? Also, as previously stated, food waste goes in the brown bins which are unaffected by the GREY bins being collected every 3 weeks. Other than the old "I'm scared of change!" reasoning, is there a good reason for not going to 3 week collections? forward thinker
  • Score: -6

11:10am Mon 14 Jul 14

Abu El Banat says...

How on earth did we ever afford to have the bins emptied every week, afford a Mayoral car, keep the grass cut and flower beds weeded when households paid rates and not a minimum of £1000 per year in Council Tax?
How on earth did we ever afford to have the bins emptied every week, afford a Mayoral car, keep the grass cut and flower beds weeded when households paid rates and not a minimum of £1000 per year in Council Tax? Abu El Banat
  • Score: 5

11:42am Mon 14 Jul 14

joamon says...

EmShambles wrote:
forward thinker wrote:
EmShambles wrote:
forward thinker wrote:
Even if our council wasn't strapped for cash, I'd still think 3 weekly collections was a decent move as it might encourage the laziest folk who just shove everything in their grey bin to finally start recycling. I've a family of four and there's no way we can ever fill the bins in a fortnight (except at Christmas), so I don't understand why others have a problem with it.
I'm alright,Jack.
Apologies, I didn't make my point very clear. I was trying to convey that if a typical family of four can manage easily, then surely most people can too. Don't forget that it's only the grey bin (the one the lazy folk who can't be bothered recycling use most) that will be collected less frequently, the blue and green will be collected MORE frequently... so what's the issue? It's simple, put stuff in the correct bin and you'll be fine. Also, foodstuffs should go in the brown bin which is unaffected, so there's no issue with smells/rats or whatever else the scaremongers are banging on about.
My issue is that there are 9 people in my house.I recycle everything and my bins are full almost as soon as they are emptied.I crush all of our rubbish flat and still struggle for space. I don't drive for environmental and cost issues and therefore I'm walking to the local tip 2 or 3 times a week. I've been told I can apply for a new bin and it will cost me £25 . Why can't the council provide me with a free bin? I'm saving them a fortune by always recycling and I pay my council tax.They are all to happy to give smaller bins out to the masses willy nilly so why can't I have one of the bins that is no longer used? That is one tiny problem I have with Bury Council.Many of us are not families with 2.4 children.
Nine people eh?
I'd say you were getting pretty good value for money then from one payment of Council Tax... !

Stop whinging and buy the extra bin...
[quote][p][bold]EmShambles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forward thinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EmShambles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forward thinker[/bold] wrote: Even if our council wasn't strapped for cash, I'd still think 3 weekly collections was a decent move as it might encourage the laziest folk who just shove everything in their grey bin to finally start recycling. I've a family of four and there's no way we can ever fill the bins in a fortnight (except at Christmas), so I don't understand why others have a problem with it.[/p][/quote]I'm alright,Jack.[/p][/quote]Apologies, I didn't make my point very clear. I was trying to convey that if a typical family of four can manage easily, then surely most people can too. Don't forget that it's only the grey bin (the one the lazy folk who can't be bothered recycling use most) that will be collected less frequently, the blue and green will be collected MORE frequently... so what's the issue? It's simple, put stuff in the correct bin and you'll be fine. Also, foodstuffs should go in the brown bin which is unaffected, so there's no issue with smells/rats or whatever else the scaremongers are banging on about.[/p][/quote]My issue is that there are 9 people in my house.I recycle everything and my bins are full almost as soon as they are emptied.I crush all of our rubbish flat and still struggle for space. I don't drive for environmental and cost issues and therefore I'm walking to the local tip 2 or 3 times a week. I've been told I can apply for a new bin and it will cost me £25 . Why can't the council provide me with a free bin? I'm saving them a fortune by always recycling and I pay my council tax.They are all to happy to give smaller bins out to the masses willy nilly so why can't I have one of the bins that is no longer used? That is one tiny problem I have with Bury Council.Many of us are not families with 2.4 children.[/p][/quote]Nine people eh? I'd say you were getting pretty good value for money then from one payment of Council Tax... ! Stop whinging and buy the extra bin... joamon
  • Score: -1

6:08pm Mon 14 Jul 14

EmShambles says...

joamon wrote:
EmShambles wrote:
forward thinker wrote:
EmShambles wrote:
forward thinker wrote:
Even if our council wasn't strapped for cash, I'd still think 3 weekly collections was a decent move as it might encourage the laziest folk who just shove everything in their grey bin to finally start recycling. I've a family of four and there's no way we can ever fill the bins in a fortnight (except at Christmas), so I don't understand why others have a problem with it.
I'm alright,Jack.
Apologies, I didn't make my point very clear. I was trying to convey that if a typical family of four can manage easily, then surely most people can too. Don't forget that it's only the grey bin (the one the lazy folk who can't be bothered recycling use most) that will be collected less frequently, the blue and green will be collected MORE frequently... so what's the issue? It's simple, put stuff in the correct bin and you'll be fine. Also, foodstuffs should go in the brown bin which is unaffected, so there's no issue with smells/rats or whatever else the scaremongers are banging on about.
My issue is that there are 9 people in my house.I recycle everything and my bins are full almost as soon as they are emptied.I crush all of our rubbish flat and still struggle for space. I don't drive for environmental and cost issues and therefore I'm walking to the local tip 2 or 3 times a week. I've been told I can apply for a new bin and it will cost me £25 . Why can't the council provide me with a free bin? I'm saving them a fortune by always recycling and I pay my council tax.They are all to happy to give smaller bins out to the masses willy nilly so why can't I have one of the bins that is no longer used? That is one tiny problem I have with Bury Council.Many of us are not families with 2.4 children.
Nine people eh?
I'd say you were getting pretty good value for money then from one payment of Council Tax... !

Stop whinging and buy the extra bin...
..........I'll stop 'whinging' when you stop....... over using.......... Your....... in the wrong places. You should get a job at the council! You're all heart like them.You'll just need your English GCSE first.........
[quote][p][bold]joamon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EmShambles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forward thinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EmShambles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]forward thinker[/bold] wrote: Even if our council wasn't strapped for cash, I'd still think 3 weekly collections was a decent move as it might encourage the laziest folk who just shove everything in their grey bin to finally start recycling. I've a family of four and there's no way we can ever fill the bins in a fortnight (except at Christmas), so I don't understand why others have a problem with it.[/p][/quote]I'm alright,Jack.[/p][/quote]Apologies, I didn't make my point very clear. I was trying to convey that if a typical family of four can manage easily, then surely most people can too. Don't forget that it's only the grey bin (the one the lazy folk who can't be bothered recycling use most) that will be collected less frequently, the blue and green will be collected MORE frequently... so what's the issue? It's simple, put stuff in the correct bin and you'll be fine. Also, foodstuffs should go in the brown bin which is unaffected, so there's no issue with smells/rats or whatever else the scaremongers are banging on about.[/p][/quote]My issue is that there are 9 people in my house.I recycle everything and my bins are full almost as soon as they are emptied.I crush all of our rubbish flat and still struggle for space. I don't drive for environmental and cost issues and therefore I'm walking to the local tip 2 or 3 times a week. I've been told I can apply for a new bin and it will cost me £25 . Why can't the council provide me with a free bin? I'm saving them a fortune by always recycling and I pay my council tax.They are all to happy to give smaller bins out to the masses willy nilly so why can't I have one of the bins that is no longer used? That is one tiny problem I have with Bury Council.Many of us are not families with 2.4 children.[/p][/quote]Nine people eh? I'd say you were getting pretty good value for money then from one payment of Council Tax... ! Stop whinging and buy the extra bin...[/p][/quote]..........I'll stop 'whinging' when you stop....... over using.......... Your....... in the wrong places. You should get a job at the council! You're all heart like them.You'll just need your English GCSE first......... EmShambles
  • Score: 3

7:48pm Mon 14 Jul 14

forward thinker says...

Criticising people's spelling and grammar in an online debate is well known to be the last resort of someone of someone who knows they've lost the argument.

Think on.
Criticising people's spelling and grammar in an online debate is well known to be the last resort of someone of someone who knows they've lost the argument. Think on. forward thinker
  • Score: -3

8:30pm Mon 14 Jul 14

Babbar Divino says...

Abu El Banat wrote:
How on earth did we ever afford to have the bins emptied every week, afford a Mayoral car, keep the grass cut and flower beds weeded when households paid rates and not a minimum of £1000 per year in Council Tax?
Where have you been for the last few years? Are you honestly saying that you don't know where the money has gone?
[quote][p][bold]Abu El Banat[/bold] wrote: How on earth did we ever afford to have the bins emptied every week, afford a Mayoral car, keep the grass cut and flower beds weeded when households paid rates and not a minimum of £1000 per year in Council Tax?[/p][/quote]Where have you been for the last few years? Are you honestly saying that you don't know where the money has gone? Babbar Divino
  • Score: 0

8:32pm Mon 14 Jul 14

EmShambles says...

forward thinker wrote:
Criticising people's spelling and grammar in an online debate is well known to be the last resort of someone of someone who knows they've lost the argument.

Think on.
There isn't an argument,just opinion.You are such a cantankerous,ole knacker.I actually feel a bit sorry for you.I'm serious.
[quote][p][bold]forward thinker[/bold] wrote: Criticising people's spelling and grammar in an online debate is well known to be the last resort of someone of someone who knows they've lost the argument. Think on.[/p][/quote]There isn't an argument,just opinion.You are such a cantankerous,ole knacker.I actually feel a bit sorry for you.I'm serious. EmShambles
  • Score: 2

10:00pm Mon 14 Jul 14

postivechange says...

Good to see this tread is now churning out tripe. Very useful.

I'll make this brief and to the point. If you don't like the proposals for the bins you may not be pleased to hear we're heading for very stormy seas indeed in the not too distant future.

This 'massive' change to the bin collection is aiming to make a 'massive' 6% dent in the 16'000'000.00+ cut from the annual budget. If these proposals are the equivalent of kicking a hornets nest in the eyes of residents then to pardon the phrase - you ain't seen nothing yet.

Now there are few options - i) Do nothing. Keep everything the same and just hope no-one notices when the bill isn't paid ii) All stand around and point the finger at those in the unenviable position of having to actually make a decision iii) Suck it up. It's a horrible world and sometimes we have to just crack on. Look back 50 years at what a country working together actually looks like. Be inspired.

If you're losing your minds over a change to the way a bin is collected then you clearly lead a blessed life and it's about time you realise it.
You are not a customer of the government. Your Council tax payment is your contribution that keeps you in the life you have become accustomed to. Yes we live in a democratic society but we also have to accept that countless decisions have to be made that can't be put to the public debate otherwise nothing would get done. The other reason for this is much the same as you why you wouldn't tell Bill Gates how to fix his computer - you simply don't know enough about it.
Good to see this tread is now churning out tripe. Very useful. I'll make this brief and to the point. If you don't like the proposals for the bins you may not be pleased to hear we're heading for very stormy seas indeed in the not too distant future. This 'massive' change to the bin collection is aiming to make a 'massive' 6% dent in the 16'000'000.00+ cut from the annual budget. If these proposals are the equivalent of kicking a hornets nest in the eyes of residents then to pardon the phrase - you ain't seen nothing yet. Now there are few options - i) Do nothing. Keep everything the same and just hope no-one notices when the bill isn't paid ii) All stand around and point the finger at those in the unenviable position of having to actually make a decision iii) Suck it up. It's a horrible world and sometimes we have to just crack on. Look back 50 years at what a country working together actually looks like. Be inspired. If you're losing your minds over a change to the way a bin is collected then you clearly lead a blessed life and it's about time you realise it. You are not a customer of the government. Your Council tax payment is your contribution that keeps you in the life you have become accustomed to. Yes we live in a democratic society but we also have to accept that countless decisions have to be made that can't be put to the public debate otherwise nothing would get done. The other reason for this is much the same as you why you wouldn't tell Bill Gates how to fix his computer - you simply don't know enough about it. postivechange
  • Score: 6

10:22pm Mon 14 Jul 14

EmShambles says...

postivechange wrote:
Good to see this tread is now churning out tripe. Very useful.

I'll make this brief and to the point. If you don't like the proposals for the bins you may not be pleased to hear we're heading for very stormy seas indeed in the not too distant future.

This 'massive' change to the bin collection is aiming to make a 'massive' 6% dent in the 16'000'000.00+ cut from the annual budget. If these proposals are the equivalent of kicking a hornets nest in the eyes of residents then to pardon the phrase - you ain't seen nothing yet.

Now there are few options - i) Do nothing. Keep everything the same and just hope no-one notices when the bill isn't paid ii) All stand around and point the finger at those in the unenviable position of having to actually make a decision iii) Suck it up. It's a horrible world and sometimes we have to just crack on. Look back 50 years at what a country working together actually looks like. Be inspired.

If you're losing your minds over a change to the way a bin is collected then you clearly lead a blessed life and it's about time you realise it.
You are not a customer of the government. Your Council tax payment is your contribution that keeps you in the life you have become accustomed to. Yes we live in a democratic society but we also have to accept that countless decisions have to be made that can't be put to the public debate otherwise nothing would get done. The other reason for this is much the same as you why you wouldn't tell Bill Gates how to fix his computer - you simply don't know enough about it.
Why can't the people in favour of the 3 weekly bin collections put their point across the way you do? You make sense,aren't obnoxious or personal ( okay,maybe I've been personal) and actually make me think sensibly about the other side of the coin.I like the cut of your jib. Virtual high 5.
[quote][p][bold]postivechange[/bold] wrote: Good to see this tread is now churning out tripe. Very useful. I'll make this brief and to the point. If you don't like the proposals for the bins you may not be pleased to hear we're heading for very stormy seas indeed in the not too distant future. This 'massive' change to the bin collection is aiming to make a 'massive' 6% dent in the 16'000'000.00+ cut from the annual budget. If these proposals are the equivalent of kicking a hornets nest in the eyes of residents then to pardon the phrase - you ain't seen nothing yet. Now there are few options - i) Do nothing. Keep everything the same and just hope no-one notices when the bill isn't paid ii) All stand around and point the finger at those in the unenviable position of having to actually make a decision iii) Suck it up. It's a horrible world and sometimes we have to just crack on. Look back 50 years at what a country working together actually looks like. Be inspired. If you're losing your minds over a change to the way a bin is collected then you clearly lead a blessed life and it's about time you realise it. You are not a customer of the government. Your Council tax payment is your contribution that keeps you in the life you have become accustomed to. Yes we live in a democratic society but we also have to accept that countless decisions have to be made that can't be put to the public debate otherwise nothing would get done. The other reason for this is much the same as you why you wouldn't tell Bill Gates how to fix his computer - you simply don't know enough about it.[/p][/quote]Why can't the people in favour of the 3 weekly bin collections put their point across the way you do? You make sense,aren't obnoxious or personal ( okay,maybe I've been personal) and actually make me think sensibly about the other side of the coin.I like the cut of your jib. Virtual high 5. EmShambles
  • Score: 6

12:23pm Tue 15 Jul 14

BuryB&B says...

So this "great" idea has originated from our local Labour candidate? If so, could the Tory councillors please pledge to reverse this policy at the next election?...you would certainly get my vote!
So this "great" idea has originated from our local Labour candidate? If so, could the Tory councillors please pledge to reverse this policy at the next election?...you would certainly get my vote! BuryB&B
  • Score: 4

2:45pm Tue 15 Jul 14

EmShambles says...

BuryB&B wrote:
So this "great" idea has originated from our local Labour candidate? If so, could the Tory councillors please pledge to reverse this policy at the next election?...you would certainly get my vote!
And mine! And I've always voted Labour.
[quote][p][bold]BuryB&B[/bold] wrote: So this "great" idea has originated from our local Labour candidate? If so, could the Tory councillors please pledge to reverse this policy at the next election?...you would certainly get my vote![/p][/quote]And mine! And I've always voted Labour. EmShambles
  • Score: 1

2:59pm Tue 15 Jul 14

forward thinker says...

EmShambles wrote:
BuryB&B wrote:
So this "great" idea has originated from our local Labour candidate? If so, could the Tory councillors please pledge to reverse this policy at the next election?...you would certainly get my vote!
And mine! And I've always voted Labour.
You do realise that cuts have to be made somewhere don't you? Can you tell me where you'd save money instead?

If they suggested weekly collections again but at an increased cost, would you prefer that? I wouldn't as it would be a step backwards, therefore, by definition, 3 weekly must be a step forwards.
[quote][p][bold]EmShambles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BuryB&B[/bold] wrote: So this "great" idea has originated from our local Labour candidate? If so, could the Tory councillors please pledge to reverse this policy at the next election?...you would certainly get my vote![/p][/quote]And mine! And I've always voted Labour.[/p][/quote]You do realise that cuts have to be made somewhere don't you? Can you tell me where you'd save money instead? If they suggested weekly collections again but at an increased cost, would you prefer that? I wouldn't as it would be a step backwards, therefore, by definition, 3 weekly must be a step forwards. forward thinker
  • Score: -6

3:52pm Tue 15 Jul 14

postivechange says...

So which is worse the labour decisions or the tory budget cuts?
So which is worse the labour decisions or the tory budget cuts? postivechange
  • Score: 0

7:13pm Tue 15 Jul 14

buryblackpudding says...

If you read the document that will be presented to members the so called "Waste Management Strategy" It makes much mention of re educating us and changing our behaviour.
Memo to all council members this isn't North Korea or Stalins Russia.
People have mentioned the issue of babies nappies my 35 year old son uses incontinence pads there big and they smell.
Once upon a time Bury Council provided a free yellow bag collection/
They abolished that told us as our son doesn't have aids or hepatitis they weren't clinical waste. We were instructed to double wrap them an put them in the grey bin.
Then they changed that to a fortnightly service.
This proposal is the final insult is it suggested that these heavily soiled pads should remain in our bin for three weeks.
This cannot be right.
If you read the document that will be presented to members the so called "Waste Management Strategy" It makes much mention of re educating us and changing our behaviour. Memo to all council members this isn't North Korea or Stalins Russia. People have mentioned the issue of babies nappies my 35 year old son uses incontinence pads there big and they smell. Once upon a time Bury Council provided a free yellow bag collection/ They abolished that told us as our son doesn't have aids or hepatitis they weren't clinical waste. We were instructed to double wrap them an put them in the grey bin. Then they changed that to a fortnightly service. This proposal is the final insult is it suggested that these heavily soiled pads should remain in our bin for three weeks. This cannot be right. buryblackpudding
  • Score: 3

8:53pm Tue 15 Jul 14

Babbar Divino says...

postivechange wrote:
Good to see this tread is now churning out tripe. Very useful.

I'll make this brief and to the point. If you don't like the proposals for the bins you may not be pleased to hear we're heading for very stormy seas indeed in the not too distant future.

This 'massive' change to the bin collection is aiming to make a 'massive' 6% dent in the 16'000'000.00+ cut from the annual budget. If these proposals are the equivalent of kicking a hornets nest in the eyes of residents then to pardon the phrase - you ain't seen nothing yet.

Now there are few options - i) Do nothing. Keep everything the same and just hope no-one notices when the bill isn't paid ii) All stand around and point the finger at those in the unenviable position of having to actually make a decision iii) Suck it up. It's a horrible world and sometimes we have to just crack on. Look back 50 years at what a country working together actually looks like. Be inspired.

If you're losing your minds over a change to the way a bin is collected then you clearly lead a blessed life and it's about time you realise it.
You are not a customer of the government. Your Council tax payment is your contribution that keeps you in the life you have become accustomed to. Yes we live in a democratic society but we also have to accept that countless decisions have to be made that can't be put to the public debate otherwise nothing would get done. The other reason for this is much the same as you why you wouldn't tell Bill Gates how to fix his computer - you simply don't know enough about it.
The saving as reported here is £862,000. This is of course a good saving providing that households can manage with a 3 weekly collection and don't have to resort to putting out bin bags which no doubt the bin men wouldn't pick up or fly tipping. If there is bin bags in the streets or fly tipping then of course the £862,000 saving will disappear very quickly in extra cleaning costs not to mention the other invisible costs that would be incurred and the potential risk health issues.

My biggest worry with all this is that it's a decision made by a political party who have a track record of being clueless and not able to organise a good drink in a brewery therefore your Bill Gates analogy sadly doesn't apply in this case.
[quote][p][bold]postivechange[/bold] wrote: Good to see this tread is now churning out tripe. Very useful. I'll make this brief and to the point. If you don't like the proposals for the bins you may not be pleased to hear we're heading for very stormy seas indeed in the not too distant future. This 'massive' change to the bin collection is aiming to make a 'massive' 6% dent in the 16'000'000.00+ cut from the annual budget. If these proposals are the equivalent of kicking a hornets nest in the eyes of residents then to pardon the phrase - you ain't seen nothing yet. Now there are few options - i) Do nothing. Keep everything the same and just hope no-one notices when the bill isn't paid ii) All stand around and point the finger at those in the unenviable position of having to actually make a decision iii) Suck it up. It's a horrible world and sometimes we have to just crack on. Look back 50 years at what a country working together actually looks like. Be inspired. If you're losing your minds over a change to the way a bin is collected then you clearly lead a blessed life and it's about time you realise it. You are not a customer of the government. Your Council tax payment is your contribution that keeps you in the life you have become accustomed to. Yes we live in a democratic society but we also have to accept that countless decisions have to be made that can't be put to the public debate otherwise nothing would get done. The other reason for this is much the same as you why you wouldn't tell Bill Gates how to fix his computer - you simply don't know enough about it.[/p][/quote]The saving as reported here is £862,000. This is of course a good saving providing that households can manage with a 3 weekly collection and don't have to resort to putting out bin bags which no doubt the bin men wouldn't pick up or fly tipping. If there is bin bags in the streets or fly tipping then of course the £862,000 saving will disappear very quickly in extra cleaning costs not to mention the other invisible costs that would be incurred and the potential risk health issues. My biggest worry with all this is that it's a decision made by a political party who have a track record of being clueless and not able to organise a good drink in a brewery therefore your Bill Gates analogy sadly doesn't apply in this case. Babbar Divino
  • Score: 7

9:05am Thu 17 Jul 14

mumtofour says...

Who is going to deal with rats ! Who is going to pay for my fuel for endless trips to the tip. Will our council tax bills come down ??????????????? We are a family of 6 how the hell can we manage with one bloody bin. And we do recycle well the council can come and check. wonder how much they are charging if you need another grey bin?????????????????
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Who is going to deal with rats ! Who is going to pay for my fuel for endless trips to the tip. Will our council tax bills come down ??????????????? We are a family of 6 how the hell can we manage with one bloody bin. And we do recycle well the council can come and check. wonder how much they are charging if you need another grey bin????????????????? ?????/ mumtofour
  • Score: 0

9:32am Thu 17 Jul 14

joamon says...

EmShambles wrote:
BuryB&B wrote:
So this "great" idea has originated from our local Labour candidate? If so, could the Tory councillors please pledge to reverse this policy at the next election?...you would certainly get my vote!
And mine! And I've always voted Labour.
I think you will find it should read:

Mine too. I've always voted labour.

Starting a sentence with 'And' is poor grammar and shame on you.

"There isn't an argument,just opinion.You are such a cantankerous,ole knacker.I actually feel a bit sorry for you.I'm serious."

I think you will find there ought to be a space after each full stop and comma. Did you even go to school? There's no chance you would even be able to work at the council as GSCE or 'O' Level English is normally a minimum requirement.

Not quite as smart as you like to pretend and a retort on someone grammar is pretty childish as this sarcastic reply demonstrates. I assume you understand sarcasim and you are not American.

The only person on here hitting below the belt is you! Calling someone a 'cantankerous,ole knacker' to name but one instance.

Get over yourself. It's just a dustbin being emptied for god sake. I wish that was the limit of my concerns!
[quote][p][bold]EmShambles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BuryB&B[/bold] wrote: So this "great" idea has originated from our local Labour candidate? If so, could the Tory councillors please pledge to reverse this policy at the next election?...you would certainly get my vote![/p][/quote]And mine! And I've always voted Labour.[/p][/quote]I think you will find it should read: Mine too. I've always voted labour. Starting a sentence with 'And' is poor grammar and shame on you. "There isn't an argument,just opinion.You are such a cantankerous,ole knacker.I actually feel a bit sorry for you.I'm serious." I think you will find there ought to be a space after each full stop and comma. Did you even go to school? There's no chance you would even be able to work at the council as GSCE or 'O' Level English is normally a minimum requirement. Not quite as smart as you like to pretend and a retort on someone grammar is pretty childish as this sarcastic reply demonstrates. I assume you understand sarcasim and you are not American. The only person on here hitting below the belt is you! Calling someone a 'cantankerous,ole knacker' to name but one instance. Get over yourself. It's just a dustbin being emptied for god sake. I wish that was the limit of my concerns! joamon
  • Score: -2

12:43pm Thu 17 Jul 14

mrlumpy says...

What worries me the most is the fact that so many people seem to have missed the point that this change is being brought about due to cuts coming from the Conservative government. The council have to save money from some budget just as the council would if it was under Conservative control.

But note that the last Conservative council in Bury had plans to switch street lights off in Bury, they did do on the M66!

Whether the cuts to central government funding would have been as severe if the council had been Conservative is another matter for another day.

I am sure the council do not want to cut any services, but due to cuts in the largest pot of money they get (Central government funding) cuts have to be made. Yes council tax has gone up too but there is still a shortfall of income so cuts have to be made.
What worries me the most is the fact that so many people seem to have missed the point that this change is being brought about due to cuts coming from the Conservative government. The council have to save money from some budget just as the council would if it was under Conservative control. But note that the last Conservative council in Bury had plans to switch street lights off in Bury, they did do on the M66! Whether the cuts to central government funding would have been as severe if the council had been Conservative is another matter for another day. I am sure the council do not want to cut any services, but due to cuts in the largest pot of money they get (Central government funding) cuts have to be made. Yes council tax has gone up too but there is still a shortfall of income so cuts have to be made. mrlumpy
  • Score: -4

10:33pm Thu 17 Jul 14

EmShambles says...

joamon wrote:
EmShambles wrote:
BuryB&B wrote:
So this "great" idea has originated from our local Labour candidate? If so, could the Tory councillors please pledge to reverse this policy at the next election?...you would certainly get my vote!
And mine! And I've always voted Labour.
I think you will find it should read:

Mine too. I've always voted labour.

Starting a sentence with 'And' is poor grammar and shame on you.

"There isn't an argument,just opinion.You are such a cantankerous,ole knacker.I actually feel a bit sorry for you.I'm serious."

I think you will find there ought to be a space after each full stop and comma. Did you even go to school? There's no chance you would even be able to work at the council as GSCE or 'O' Level English is normally a minimum requirement.

Not quite as smart as you like to pretend and a retort on someone grammar is pretty childish as this sarcastic reply demonstrates. I assume you understand sarcasim and you are not American.

The only person on here hitting below the belt is you! Calling someone a 'cantankerous,ole knacker' to name but one instance.

Get over yourself. It's just a dustbin being emptied for god sake. I wish that was the limit of my concerns!
Stupid ****.
[quote][p][bold]joamon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EmShambles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BuryB&B[/bold] wrote: So this "great" idea has originated from our local Labour candidate? If so, could the Tory councillors please pledge to reverse this policy at the next election?...you would certainly get my vote![/p][/quote]And mine! And I've always voted Labour.[/p][/quote]I think you will find it should read: Mine too. I've always voted labour. Starting a sentence with 'And' is poor grammar and shame on you. "There isn't an argument,just opinion.You are such a cantankerous,ole knacker.I actually feel a bit sorry for you.I'm serious." I think you will find there ought to be a space after each full stop and comma. Did you even go to school? There's no chance you would even be able to work at the council as GSCE or 'O' Level English is normally a minimum requirement. Not quite as smart as you like to pretend and a retort on someone grammar is pretty childish as this sarcastic reply demonstrates. I assume you understand sarcasim and you are not American. The only person on here hitting below the belt is you! Calling someone a 'cantankerous,ole knacker' to name but one instance. Get over yourself. It's just a dustbin being emptied for god sake. I wish that was the limit of my concerns![/p][/quote]Stupid ****. EmShambles
  • Score: -2

10:48pm Thu 17 Jul 14

EmShambles says...

joamon wrote:
EmShambles wrote:
BuryB&B wrote:
So this "great" idea has originated from our local Labour candidate? If so, could the Tory councillors please pledge to reverse this policy at the next election?...you would certainly get my vote!
And mine! And I've always voted Labour.
I think you will find it should read:

Mine too. I've always voted labour.

Starting a sentence with 'And' is poor grammar and shame on you.

"There isn't an argument,just opinion.You are such a cantankerous,ole knacker.I actually feel a bit sorry for you.I'm serious."

I think you will find there ought to be a space after each full stop and comma. Did you even go to school? There's no chance you would even be able to work at the council as GSCE or 'O' Level English is normally a minimum requirement.

Not quite as smart as you like to pretend and a retort on someone grammar is pretty childish as this sarcastic reply demonstrates. I assume you understand sarcasim and you are not American.

The only person on here hitting below the belt is you! Calling someone a 'cantankerous,ole knacker' to name but one instance.

Get over yourself. It's just a dustbin being emptied for god sake. I wish that was the limit of my concerns!
Bless!
[quote][p][bold]joamon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EmShambles[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BuryB&B[/bold] wrote: So this "great" idea has originated from our local Labour candidate? If so, could the Tory councillors please pledge to reverse this policy at the next election?...you would certainly get my vote![/p][/quote]And mine! And I've always voted Labour.[/p][/quote]I think you will find it should read: Mine too. I've always voted labour. Starting a sentence with 'And' is poor grammar and shame on you. "There isn't an argument,just opinion.You are such a cantankerous,ole knacker.I actually feel a bit sorry for you.I'm serious." I think you will find there ought to be a space after each full stop and comma. Did you even go to school? There's no chance you would even be able to work at the council as GSCE or 'O' Level English is normally a minimum requirement. Not quite as smart as you like to pretend and a retort on someone grammar is pretty childish as this sarcastic reply demonstrates. I assume you understand sarcasim and you are not American. The only person on here hitting below the belt is you! Calling someone a 'cantankerous,ole knacker' to name but one instance. Get over yourself. It's just a dustbin being emptied for god sake. I wish that was the limit of my concerns![/p][/quote]Bless! EmShambles
  • Score: 1

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