Bury Council staff could lose sick pay in massive cost-cutting move

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SICK pay could be denied to Bury Council workers as part of a massive cost-cutting exercise.

Town hall chiefs have written to all 6,000 staff with details of the proposals, estimated to save £600,000 a year which, council bosses say, is equivalent to 40 full-time jobs.

If approved, it would mean all staff would not be paid for the first three days of sick leave. Overtime pay would also be restricted to an employee’s usual hourly rate.

Buy the proposals also include increasing the wages of the council’s 1,000 lowest-paid staff to £7 an hour.

The council says it has to shave £16 million before April, 2015, and the same in 2016.

Chief executive Mike Kelly has invited staff to air their views during a 90-day consultation period, after which the council will make a decision.

If the changes come in, staff would be asked to agree a change to their employee terms. Unions have been left shocked by the move, fearing workers could lose their jobs if they do not sign up to it.

One worker, who asked not to be named, said: “Denying us sick pay is the lowest of the low. What they are saying is that, if you get terminal cancer, or get hit by a car, it’s tough luck — you’re not getting paid until day four.”

Steve Morton, secretary of Bury Unison, which represents 3,000 local authority staff, said: “These are stunning proposals.

“It would mean people will come to work ill, spreading illness to colleagues and members of the public.

“If people turn up for work, they will be paid, so how will it save money?”

Mr Morton, whose members are due to strike over pay along with Unite and GMB members next Thursday, added: “We will consider the connotations of the proposals before deciding our next step.”

Council deputy leader, Labour Cllr Rishi Shori, insisted staff would get a say during the consultation.

He said: “These are very tough choices.

“I fully appreciate the position of the unions and staff. That is why we’re having a 90-day consultation period to have a full and frank exchange.

“We have to act prudently. Ultimately, if we don’t make the cut in this regard, it has to come somewhere else.

“People talk about being unfair. The staff I speak to think it’s unfair that a council like Bury is having to make £54 million worth of cuts and £32 million of that needs to be made in the next two years.”

Raising the salary of 1,000 staff and aspiring to pay all council staff the “living wage” of £7.65 an hour would help to encourage firms across the borough to do the same, added Cllr Shori.

Bury Conservative leader Cllr Iain Gartside said: “We are concerned about the effect these proposals will have on the low-paid staff in our authority.

“Our budget proposal to reduce highly-paid senior staff pay by 10 per cent could have avoided some of these adverse changes in pay and conditions for low-paid workers.

“Unfortunately, Labour chose to vote down this option earlier this year.

“However, we do appreciate that the council does need to make savings.”

Bury Liberal Democrat leader, Cllr Tim Pickstone, said: “The sick pay aspect of these proposals is most concerning. The idea seems to be very crude and could put pressure on staff to return to work before they are better. It’s very heartless."

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6:24pm Fri 4 Jul 14

dderbydave says...

Most of the work force don't get statutory sick pay until day 4, many of us earn under £7 and overtime is at basic rate. Welcome to the real world.
Most of the work force don't get statutory sick pay until day 4, many of us earn under £7 and overtime is at basic rate. Welcome to the real world. dderbydave
  • Score: 0

8:54am Sun 6 Jul 14

Babbar Divino says...

1. Get rid of the "job for life" mentality
2. Manage out the dead wood
3. Get some real performers in
4. Pay people what they are worth not what grade the position fits in
5. Keep paid sick leave - do the above and sick leave will take care of itself
1. Get rid of the "job for life" mentality 2. Manage out the dead wood 3. Get some real performers in 4. Pay people what they are worth not what grade the position fits in 5. Keep paid sick leave - do the above and sick leave will take care of itself Babbar Divino
  • Score: 2

12:22pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Buryite1 says...

Babbar Divino wrote:
1. Get rid of the "job for life" mentality
2. Manage out the dead wood
3. Get some real performers in
4. Pay people what they are worth not what grade the position fits in
5. Keep paid sick leave - do the above and sick leave will take care of itself
1. The 'job for life' mentality hasn't existed in years - certainly not for the vast majority of council staff.
2. Same for 'managing out dead wood'.
3. There are real performers - they work hard day in. day out to feed your children, keep your streets clean, look after your elderly relatives etc and they are some of the most poorly paid people in local government.
4. As someone who has undergone pay and performance reviews year in, year our for 20 years, I suspect many are actually paid less than they're worth
5. Keep paid sick leave.
[quote][p][bold]Babbar Divino[/bold] wrote: 1. Get rid of the "job for life" mentality 2. Manage out the dead wood 3. Get some real performers in 4. Pay people what they are worth not what grade the position fits in 5. Keep paid sick leave - do the above and sick leave will take care of itself[/p][/quote]1. The 'job for life' mentality hasn't existed in years - certainly not for the vast majority of council staff. 2. Same for 'managing out dead wood'. 3. There are real performers - they work hard day in. day out to feed your children, keep your streets clean, look after your elderly relatives etc and they are some of the most poorly paid people in local government. 4. As someone who has undergone pay and performance reviews year in, year our for 20 years, I suspect many are actually paid less than they're worth 5. Keep paid sick leave. Buryite1
  • Score: 5

12:29pm Mon 7 Jul 14

Buryite1 says...

dderbydave wrote:
Most of the work force don't get statutory sick pay until day 4, many of us earn under £7 and overtime is at basic rate. Welcome to the real world.
Instead of whinging about what you earn and your working conditions - consider this. Central government should be leading the way when it comes to decent employment terms and conditions. Thanks to their collusion with the 'race to the bottom' some in the private sector are undercutting businesses who operate fair working practices. This is not good for the country, the economy or its workforce. Instead of complaining you should be campaigning for better working conditions either via. a TU or by lobbying your MP. it's actually in your own interests to support those who do not earn that much more than you do, as well as your own. Think about it.
[quote][p][bold]dderbydave[/bold] wrote: Most of the work force don't get statutory sick pay until day 4, many of us earn under £7 and overtime is at basic rate. Welcome to the real world.[/p][/quote]Instead of whinging about what you earn and your working conditions - consider this. Central government should be leading the way when it comes to decent employment terms and conditions. Thanks to their collusion with the 'race to the bottom' some in the private sector are undercutting businesses who operate fair working practices. This is not good for the country, the economy or its workforce. Instead of complaining you should be campaigning for better working conditions either via. a TU or by lobbying your MP. it's actually in your own interests to support those who do not earn that much more than you do, as well as your own. Think about it. Buryite1
  • Score: 8

10:48am Tue 8 Jul 14

Buryboy1986 says...

Good!
They deserve to lose more than that. The whole of Bury Council are corrupt money grabbers who don't give a crap about the people who live here. I hope you all lose more than that. Whole lot of you should be removed and replaced with people who know what they are doing.
Want a job where you are paid well, sat on your arse and doing nothing? - Join Bury Council!
Good! They deserve to lose more than that. The whole of Bury Council are corrupt money grabbers who don't give a crap about the people who live here. I hope you all lose more than that. Whole lot of you should be removed and replaced with people who know what they are doing. Want a job where you are paid well, sat on your arse and doing nothing? - Join Bury Council! Buryboy1986
  • Score: -5

3:10pm Tue 8 Jul 14

Sarah Lapsley says...

Most council workers are low paid, "£600,000 a year, which is the equivalent of 40 full time jobs". So that means these full time workers earn an average of £15k a year...that's well below national average. Also these are not the higher ups, these people are receptionists, cleaners etc.
Most council workers are low paid, "£600,000 a year, which is the equivalent of 40 full time jobs". So that means these full time workers earn an average of £15k a year...that's well below national average. Also these are not the higher ups, these people are receptionists, cleaners etc. Sarah Lapsley
  • Score: 7

9:13pm Tue 8 Jul 14

dderbydave says...

Buryite1 wrote:
dderbydave wrote:
Most of the work force don't get statutory sick pay until day 4, many of us earn under £7 and overtime is at basic rate. Welcome to the real world.
Instead of whinging about what you earn and your working conditions - consider this. Central government should be leading the way when it comes to decent employment terms and conditions. Thanks to their collusion with the 'race to the bottom' some in the private sector are undercutting businesses who operate fair working practices. This is not good for the country, the economy or its workforce. Instead of complaining you should be campaigning for better working conditions either via. a TU or by lobbying your MP. it's actually in your own interests to support those who do not earn that much more than you do, as well as your own. Think about it.
I'm not moaning or whining. I'm stating fact. Council workers have been coddled for years. Now the real world is facing them they squeal. As I said, this is real life, not the swaddled comfort of council work. Instead of trying to incite an emotive argument by using insulting words from your anonymous keyboard you could look at all sides to this. Here's an idea to get you looking in your thumbed thesaurus: sack them all, privatise the lot and let real world competition provide a slimline efficient service where anonymous overpaid nobodies have to tighten their belts and earn their living instead of whining like babies
[quote][p][bold]Buryite1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dderbydave[/bold] wrote: Most of the work force don't get statutory sick pay until day 4, many of us earn under £7 and overtime is at basic rate. Welcome to the real world.[/p][/quote]Instead of whinging about what you earn and your working conditions - consider this. Central government should be leading the way when it comes to decent employment terms and conditions. Thanks to their collusion with the 'race to the bottom' some in the private sector are undercutting businesses who operate fair working practices. This is not good for the country, the economy or its workforce. Instead of complaining you should be campaigning for better working conditions either via. a TU or by lobbying your MP. it's actually in your own interests to support those who do not earn that much more than you do, as well as your own. Think about it.[/p][/quote]I'm not moaning or whining. I'm stating fact. Council workers have been coddled for years. Now the real world is facing them they squeal. As I said, this is real life, not the swaddled comfort of council work. Instead of trying to incite an emotive argument by using insulting words from your anonymous keyboard you could look at all sides to this. Here's an idea to get you looking in your thumbed thesaurus: sack them all, privatise the lot and let real world competition provide a slimline efficient service where anonymous overpaid nobodies have to tighten their belts and earn their living instead of whining like babies dderbydave
  • Score: -6

9:13pm Tue 8 Jul 14

dderbydave says...

Buryite1 wrote:
dderbydave wrote:
Most of the work force don't get statutory sick pay until day 4, many of us earn under £7 and overtime is at basic rate. Welcome to the real world.
Instead of whinging about what you earn and your working conditions - consider this. Central government should be leading the way when it comes to decent employment terms and conditions. Thanks to their collusion with the 'race to the bottom' some in the private sector are undercutting businesses who operate fair working practices. This is not good for the country, the economy or its workforce. Instead of complaining you should be campaigning for better working conditions either via. a TU or by lobbying your MP. it's actually in your own interests to support those who do not earn that much more than you do, as well as your own. Think about it.
I'm not moaning or whining. I'm stating fact. Council workers have been coddled for years. Now the real world is facing them they squeal. As I said, this is real life, not the swaddled comfort of council work. Instead of trying to incite an emotive argument by using insulting words from your anonymous keyboard you could look at all sides to this. Here's an idea to get you looking in your thumbed thesaurus: sack them all, privatise the lot and let real world competition provide a slimline efficient service where anonymous overpaid nobodies have to tighten their belts and earn their living instead of whining like babies
[quote][p][bold]Buryite1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dderbydave[/bold] wrote: Most of the work force don't get statutory sick pay until day 4, many of us earn under £7 and overtime is at basic rate. Welcome to the real world.[/p][/quote]Instead of whinging about what you earn and your working conditions - consider this. Central government should be leading the way when it comes to decent employment terms and conditions. Thanks to their collusion with the 'race to the bottom' some in the private sector are undercutting businesses who operate fair working practices. This is not good for the country, the economy or its workforce. Instead of complaining you should be campaigning for better working conditions either via. a TU or by lobbying your MP. it's actually in your own interests to support those who do not earn that much more than you do, as well as your own. Think about it.[/p][/quote]I'm not moaning or whining. I'm stating fact. Council workers have been coddled for years. Now the real world is facing them they squeal. As I said, this is real life, not the swaddled comfort of council work. Instead of trying to incite an emotive argument by using insulting words from your anonymous keyboard you could look at all sides to this. Here's an idea to get you looking in your thumbed thesaurus: sack them all, privatise the lot and let real world competition provide a slimline efficient service where anonymous overpaid nobodies have to tighten their belts and earn their living instead of whining like babies dderbydave
  • Score: -5

12:03pm Thu 10 Jul 14

forward thinker says...

it doesn't seem too unreasonable a measure to cut costs, and I say that as a former employee. I also think that the bin collections every 3 weeks is reasonable too (see bbc link) http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-man
chester-28242640

There are some very hard workers there, but whilst in my clerical role I saw a lot of time/money wasters. I actually left because I didn't have enough work to keep me occupied! I know it sounds like a dream to turn up and get paid for doing nowt, but clock watching is no way to spend 8 hours of your day 5 days a week.
it doesn't seem too unreasonable a measure to cut costs, and I say that as a former employee. I also think that the bin collections every 3 weeks is reasonable too (see bbc link) http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-man chester-28242640 There are some very hard workers there, but whilst in my clerical role I saw a lot of time/money wasters. I actually left because I didn't have enough work to keep me occupied! I know it sounds like a dream to turn up and get paid for doing nowt, but clock watching is no way to spend 8 hours of your day 5 days a week. forward thinker
  • Score: 0

2:52pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Buryboy1986 says...

This bin thing is a stupid idea. I will no longer pay council tax if it happens. I would encourage all other residents to do the same. Lets see how they cope without ANY money!
This bin thing is a stupid idea. I will no longer pay council tax if it happens. I would encourage all other residents to do the same. Lets see how they cope without ANY money! Buryboy1986
  • Score: 1

4:10pm Thu 10 Jul 14

forward thinker says...

Buryboy1986 wrote:
This bin thing is a stupid idea. I will no longer pay council tax if it happens. I would encourage all other residents to do the same. Lets see how they cope without ANY money!
Even if our council wasn't strapped for cash, I'd still think 3 weekly collections was a decent move as it might encourage the laziest folk who just shove everything in their grey bin to finally start recycling. I've a family of four and there's no way we can ever fill the bins in a fortnight (except at Christmas), so I don't understand why others have a problem with it.
[quote][p][bold]Buryboy1986[/bold] wrote: This bin thing is a stupid idea. I will no longer pay council tax if it happens. I would encourage all other residents to do the same. Lets see how they cope without ANY money![/p][/quote]Even if our council wasn't strapped for cash, I'd still think 3 weekly collections was a decent move as it might encourage the laziest folk who just shove everything in their grey bin to finally start recycling. I've a family of four and there's no way we can ever fill the bins in a fortnight (except at Christmas), so I don't understand why others have a problem with it. forward thinker
  • Score: -1

4:16pm Thu 10 Jul 14

Buryite1 says...

dderbydave wrote:
Buryite1 wrote:
dderbydave wrote:
Most of the work force don't get statutory sick pay until day 4, many of us earn under £7 and overtime is at basic rate. Welcome to the real world.
Instead of whinging about what you earn and your working conditions - consider this. Central government should be leading the way when it comes to decent employment terms and conditions. Thanks to their collusion with the 'race to the bottom' some in the private sector are undercutting businesses who operate fair working practices. This is not good for the country, the economy or its workforce. Instead of complaining you should be campaigning for better working conditions either via. a TU or by lobbying your MP. it's actually in your own interests to support those who do not earn that much more than you do, as well as your own. Think about it.
I'm not moaning or whining. I'm stating fact. Council workers have been coddled for years. Now the real world is facing them they squeal. As I said, this is real life, not the swaddled comfort of council work. Instead of trying to incite an emotive argument by using insulting words from your anonymous keyboard you could look at all sides to this. Here's an idea to get you looking in your thumbed thesaurus: sack them all, privatise the lot and let real world competition provide a slimline efficient service where anonymous overpaid nobodies have to tighten their belts and earn their living instead of whining like babies
I don't believe there are any 'emotive words' in my argument - just facts from someone who has spent many, many years as a front line local government worker. Your response just tells me that you have absolutely no idea whatsoever about what people do to provide you with the services you take for granted. Instead of using every single anti public sector insult you can think of, try talking to those who will be affected. To use your tired, over used cliche - 'welcome to the real world'.
[quote][p][bold]dderbydave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buryite1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dderbydave[/bold] wrote: Most of the work force don't get statutory sick pay until day 4, many of us earn under £7 and overtime is at basic rate. Welcome to the real world.[/p][/quote]Instead of whinging about what you earn and your working conditions - consider this. Central government should be leading the way when it comes to decent employment terms and conditions. Thanks to their collusion with the 'race to the bottom' some in the private sector are undercutting businesses who operate fair working practices. This is not good for the country, the economy or its workforce. Instead of complaining you should be campaigning for better working conditions either via. a TU or by lobbying your MP. it's actually in your own interests to support those who do not earn that much more than you do, as well as your own. Think about it.[/p][/quote]I'm not moaning or whining. I'm stating fact. Council workers have been coddled for years. Now the real world is facing them they squeal. As I said, this is real life, not the swaddled comfort of council work. Instead of trying to incite an emotive argument by using insulting words from your anonymous keyboard you could look at all sides to this. Here's an idea to get you looking in your thumbed thesaurus: sack them all, privatise the lot and let real world competition provide a slimline efficient service where anonymous overpaid nobodies have to tighten their belts and earn their living instead of whining like babies[/p][/quote]I don't believe there are any 'emotive words' in my argument - just facts from someone who has spent many, many years as a front line local government worker. Your response just tells me that you have absolutely no idea whatsoever about what people do to provide you with the services you take for granted. Instead of using every single anti public sector insult you can think of, try talking to those who will be affected. To use your tired, over used cliche - 'welcome to the real world'. Buryite1
  • Score: 1

12:54am Fri 11 Jul 14

Foxred says...

dderbydave wrote:
Buryite1 wrote:
dderbydave wrote:
Most of the work force don't get statutory sick pay until day 4, many of us earn under £7 and overtime is at basic rate. Welcome to the real world.
Instead of whinging about what you earn and your working conditions - consider this. Central government should be leading the way when it comes to decent employment terms and conditions. Thanks to their collusion with the 'race to the bottom' some in the private sector are undercutting businesses who operate fair working practices. This is not good for the country, the economy or its workforce. Instead of complaining you should be campaigning for better working conditions either via. a TU or by lobbying your MP. it's actually in your own interests to support those who do not earn that much more than you do, as well as your own. Think about it.
I'm not moaning or whining. I'm stating fact. Council workers have been coddled for years. Now the real world is facing them they squeal. As I said, this is real life, not the swaddled comfort of council work. Instead of trying to incite an emotive argument by using insulting words from your anonymous keyboard you could look at all sides to this. Here's an idea to get you looking in your thumbed thesaurus: sack them all, privatise the lot and let real world competition provide a slimline efficient service where anonymous overpaid nobodies have to tighten their belts and earn their living instead of whining like babies
It is ludicrous to suggest that all public sector workers are lazy and overpaid. Privatisation is not the answer!!!
[quote][p][bold]dderbydave[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Buryite1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dderbydave[/bold] wrote: Most of the work force don't get statutory sick pay until day 4, many of us earn under £7 and overtime is at basic rate. Welcome to the real world.[/p][/quote]Instead of whinging about what you earn and your working conditions - consider this. Central government should be leading the way when it comes to decent employment terms and conditions. Thanks to their collusion with the 'race to the bottom' some in the private sector are undercutting businesses who operate fair working practices. This is not good for the country, the economy or its workforce. Instead of complaining you should be campaigning for better working conditions either via. a TU or by lobbying your MP. it's actually in your own interests to support those who do not earn that much more than you do, as well as your own. Think about it.[/p][/quote]I'm not moaning or whining. I'm stating fact. Council workers have been coddled for years. Now the real world is facing them they squeal. As I said, this is real life, not the swaddled comfort of council work. Instead of trying to incite an emotive argument by using insulting words from your anonymous keyboard you could look at all sides to this. Here's an idea to get you looking in your thumbed thesaurus: sack them all, privatise the lot and let real world competition provide a slimline efficient service where anonymous overpaid nobodies have to tighten their belts and earn their living instead of whining like babies[/p][/quote]It is ludicrous to suggest that all public sector workers are lazy and overpaid. Privatisation is not the answer!!! Foxred
  • Score: 1
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