Protest held against planned Astley Bridge mosque

Protest held against planned Astley Bridge mosque

Protest held against planned Astley Bridge mosque

Campaigners make their point on the town hall steps

Campaigners make their point on the town hall steps

Campaigners make their point on the town hall steps

Campaigners make their point on the town hall steps

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PROTESTERS took to the steps of Bolton Town Hall to rally against plans to build a new mosque in Astley Bridge.

More than 100 campaigners, who insisted they were not representatives of any political party, demonstrated in Victoria Square today.

Plans have been submitted to Bolton Council for a mosque in Blackburn Road with space for more than 1,000 prayer mats by the Taiyabah Islamic Centre.

The protest was organised by Facebook campaign Stop the Astley Bridge Mosque, which has attracted more than 7,100 likes.

The group also organised a similar protest at the site of the proposed mosque on Saturday, June 21.

Demonstrators, who chanted “no more mosques”, criticised Bolton Council over a technical fault which has left them unable to submit representation against the plans online.

Michael Birchall, aged 44, from Farnworth said: “They just put mosques up without caring about the local area, and nobody gets a chance to object.

“Extremist views have been attributed to mosques in the past.

"I am also concerned about the effect this will have on the community and how it could change.”

David Whittle, aged 46, from Westhoughton, added: “Once there is a mosque there, the Muslims take over that area.

"It is going to happen in Farnworth next.

“Anyone can see if this is built parking and traffic is going to be horrendous.”


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Tony Burgess, aged 45, from Deane, said the situation in the Middle East played a part in why he was supporting the protest.

The Facebook campaign’s organiser, 38-year-old Bryn Morgan, said a petition against the “ostentatious” plans had already collected several thousand signatures.

Mr Morgan, from Heaton, added: “This is not racist and it is not about making the Muslim community in Bolton feel threatened.

“This is about showing normal, sensible people do not want their town turned into the sort of place Blackburn has become.

“The plans are for a big, ostentatious building which does not foster community spirit — we would be against it equally if it were a Hindu temple or Catholic church.

“It is now down to Bolton Council to work out whether they are for or against the democratic process.”

The protest took place on the first day of Ramadan, the ninth month in the Islamic calendar, which sees Muslims engage in fasting during daylight hours.

A passerby, who did not wish to be named, said she had seen Bryn Morgan wearing a British National Party (BNP) rosette at an election count.

She added: “People walking past are being frightened into putting their personal details on that petition.

“The BNP are not wanted here.”

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8:41am Mon 30 Jun 14

stereo_world says...

Glad I left this xenophobic dump of a town. I actually feel embarrassed when I tell people I grew up here.
Glad I left this xenophobic dump of a town. I actually feel embarrassed when I tell people I grew up here. stereo_world
  • Score: -3

9:10am Mon 30 Jun 14

mb63 says...

I was there for 2 hours. I never saw anyone frightened into signing the petition???
It was a TOTALLY peaceful event!
I was there for 2 hours. I never saw anyone frightened into signing the petition??? It was a TOTALLY peaceful event! mb63
  • Score: 66

9:29am Mon 30 Jun 14

imagnation1 says...

The Bolton people know that the Muslim community live here.
Dose this community want to live within their own community?
With over excessive builds of mosques... Why more.
The Bolton people know that the Muslim community live here. Dose this community want to live within their own community? With over excessive builds of mosques... Why more. imagnation1
  • Score: 39

9:30am Mon 30 Jun 14

wsw69 says...

I was in town yesterday morning with a mate and came across this malarkey on the clown hall steps. If they aint racists then I don't know who is. Many with football shirts on and looked the typical low-life idiots of society and most are probably jobless looking at them.

Some points NOT mentioned in the article.

1. You could not tell what they were warbling on about as their 'megaphone' was cr*p.
2. There were just over 60 gathered NOT over 100
3. They all came across as complete tools.
4. No one away from their gathering on the steps were agreeing with them.
5. There were 6 or 8 police officers overseeing this and there was no tension.

As for " A passer-by, who did not wish to be named, said she had seen Bryn Morgan wearing a British National Party (BNP) rosette at an election count. She added: “People walking past are being frightened into putting their personal details on that petition. “The BNP are not wanted here.”

That is a complete load of rubbish. They were NOT frightening people in to putting their names on their petitions. There was no evidence of the BNP, apart from peoples thoughts that they may be behind this protest.

Bolton News and their reporter appear to have made up most of this story, or added 'gloss' to it.

Also, where are the many other photos your reporter was taking?

And before anyone pipes up, I'm no supporter of those that were on the square yesterday morning and certainly no racist. I am fair, and the Bolton News and their so called excuse of a 'reporter' Tui Benjamin appear to have fabricated a lot of what they have in this article.

But then again, never let FACTS get in the way of a good story. Obviously the Bolton News have got that aspect off to a fine art.

I disagree completely with this super mosque, and as for Bolton Council being anything like democratic and fair ....................
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I was in town yesterday morning with a mate and came across this malarkey on the clown hall steps. If they aint racists then I don't know who is. Many with football shirts on and looked the typical low-life idiots of society and most are probably jobless looking at them. Some points NOT mentioned in the article. 1. You could not tell what they were warbling on about as their 'megaphone' was cr*p. 2. There were just over 60 gathered NOT over 100 3. They all came across as complete tools. 4. No one away from their gathering on the steps were agreeing with them. 5. There were 6 or 8 police officers overseeing this and there was no tension. As for " A passer-by, who did not wish to be named, said she had seen Bryn Morgan wearing a British National Party (BNP) rosette at an election count. She added: “People walking past are being frightened into putting their personal details on that petition. “The BNP are not wanted here.” That is a complete load of rubbish. They were NOT frightening people in to putting their names on their petitions. There was no evidence of the BNP, apart from peoples thoughts that they may be behind this protest. Bolton News and their reporter appear to have made up most of this story, or added 'gloss' to it. Also, where are the many other photos your reporter was taking? And before anyone pipes up, I'm no supporter of those that were on the square yesterday morning and certainly no racist. I am fair, and the Bolton News and their so called excuse of a 'reporter' Tui Benjamin appear to have fabricated a lot of what they have in this article. But then again, never let FACTS get in the way of a good story. Obviously the Bolton News have got that aspect off to a fine art. I disagree completely with this super mosque, and as for Bolton Council being anything like democratic and fair .................... .................... .................... .................... .................... .... wsw69
  • Score: 57

9:33am Mon 30 Jun 14

wsw69 says...

mb63 wrote:
I was there for 2 hours. I never saw anyone frightened into signing the petition???
It was a TOTALLY peaceful event!
Spot-on mtb63.

The majority of the article is fabricated rubbish from a cr*p excuse of a journalist from a c*ap excuse of a snoozepaper.

Will we be getting any input from the so called excuse of the editor, Ian Savage? I very much doubt it
[quote][p][bold]mb63[/bold] wrote: I was there for 2 hours. I never saw anyone frightened into signing the petition??? It was a TOTALLY peaceful event![/p][/quote]Spot-on mtb63. The majority of the article is fabricated rubbish from a cr*p excuse of a journalist from a c*ap excuse of a snoozepaper. Will we be getting any input from the so called excuse of the editor, Ian Savage? I very much doubt it wsw69
  • Score: 40

9:34am Mon 30 Jun 14

wsw69 says...

Now then, where have the extra photos come from?
Now then, where have the extra photos come from? wsw69
  • Score: 6

10:11am Mon 30 Jun 14

Julian Thorpe says...

wsw69 wrote:
mb63 wrote:
I was there for 2 hours. I never saw anyone frightened into signing the petition???
It was a TOTALLY peaceful event!
Spot-on mtb63.

The majority of the article is fabricated rubbish from a cr*p excuse of a journalist from a c*ap excuse of a snoozepaper.

Will we be getting any input from the so called excuse of the editor, Ian Savage? I very much doubt it
None of this is fabricated. We have simply quoted someone you disagree with.
[quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mb63[/bold] wrote: I was there for 2 hours. I never saw anyone frightened into signing the petition??? It was a TOTALLY peaceful event![/p][/quote]Spot-on mtb63. The majority of the article is fabricated rubbish from a cr*p excuse of a journalist from a c*ap excuse of a snoozepaper. Will we be getting any input from the so called excuse of the editor, Ian Savage? I very much doubt it[/p][/quote]None of this is fabricated. We have simply quoted someone you disagree with. Julian Thorpe
  • Score: -17

10:15am Mon 30 Jun 14

Comment777 says...

imagnation1 wrote:
The Bolton people know that the Muslim community live here.
Dose this community want to live within their own community?
With over excessive builds of mosques... Why more.
No. THEY prefer to live in isolated communities with no external input whatsoever.
[quote][p][bold]imagnation1[/bold] wrote: The Bolton people know that the Muslim community live here. Dose this community want to live within their own community? With over excessive builds of mosques... Why more.[/p][/quote]No. THEY prefer to live in isolated communities with no external input whatsoever. Comment777
  • Score: 15

10:18am Mon 30 Jun 14

Comment777 says...

Julian Thorpe wrote:
wsw69 wrote:
mb63 wrote:
I was there for 2 hours. I never saw anyone frightened into signing the petition???
It was a TOTALLY peaceful event!
Spot-on mtb63.

The majority of the article is fabricated rubbish from a cr*p excuse of a journalist from a c*ap excuse of a snoozepaper.

Will we be getting any input from the so called excuse of the editor, Ian Savage? I very much doubt it
None of this is fabricated. We have simply quoted someone you disagree with.
A quote from a person on the side you seem to show support for.
[quote][p][bold]Julian Thorpe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mb63[/bold] wrote: I was there for 2 hours. I never saw anyone frightened into signing the petition??? It was a TOTALLY peaceful event![/p][/quote]Spot-on mtb63. The majority of the article is fabricated rubbish from a cr*p excuse of a journalist from a c*ap excuse of a snoozepaper. Will we be getting any input from the so called excuse of the editor, Ian Savage? I very much doubt it[/p][/quote]None of this is fabricated. We have simply quoted someone you disagree with.[/p][/quote]A quote from a person on the side you seem to show support for. Comment777
  • Score: 9

10:27am Mon 30 Jun 14

Rivertin says...

I felt a bit threatened by the presence of these protestors, also does anyone know of a petition for people who want the mosque? I would think it a good idea to have more and better places for religious worship. (if people are denied these places then what other activities do they fall prey to? Drink , Drugs etc) surely centres that are in the main a good influence on people should be encouraged,
I felt a bit threatened by the presence of these protestors, also does anyone know of a petition for people who want the mosque? I would think it a good idea to have more and better places for religious worship. (if people are denied these places then what other activities do they fall prey to? Drink , Drugs etc) surely centres that are in the main a good influence on people should be encouraged, Rivertin
  • Score: -33

10:34am Mon 30 Jun 14

mb63 says...

Rivertin wrote:
I felt a bit threatened by the presence of these protestors, also does anyone know of a petition for people who want the mosque? I would think it a good idea to have more and better places for religious worship. (if people are denied these places then what other activities do they fall prey to? Drink , Drugs etc) surely centres that are in the main a good influence on people should be encouraged,
In what way did you feel threatened by a group of people sat on the steps?
If you felt threatened by that, i suggest you get checked out by your GP for anxiety disorder.
[quote][p][bold]Rivertin[/bold] wrote: I felt a bit threatened by the presence of these protestors, also does anyone know of a petition for people who want the mosque? I would think it a good idea to have more and better places for religious worship. (if people are denied these places then what other activities do they fall prey to? Drink , Drugs etc) surely centres that are in the main a good influence on people should be encouraged,[/p][/quote]In what way did you feel threatened by a group of people sat on the steps? If you felt threatened by that, i suggest you get checked out by your GP for anxiety disorder. mb63
  • Score: 23

10:36am Mon 30 Jun 14

imagnation1 says...

Comment777 wrote:
imagnation1 wrote:
The Bolton people know that the Muslim community live here.
Dose this community want to live within their own community?
With over excessive builds of mosques... Why more.
No. THEY prefer to live in isolated communities with no external input whatsoever.
Isolation you said it.. shame...
A wise Buddha once said...
Holding on to anger is like holding on to a hot piece of coal, with the intention of throwing it, instead you are burning youlself.
[quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]imagnation1[/bold] wrote: The Bolton people know that the Muslim community live here. Dose this community want to live within their own community? With over excessive builds of mosques... Why more.[/p][/quote]No. THEY prefer to live in isolated communities with no external input whatsoever.[/p][/quote]Isolation you said it.. shame... A wise Buddha once said... Holding on to anger is like holding on to a hot piece of coal, with the intention of throwing it, instead you are burning youlself. imagnation1
  • Score: 17

10:42am Mon 30 Jun 14

lazyn31 says...

All i see happening here is more money being spent in Bolton, it doesn't matter who it benefits, the more Bolton is put on the map the greater the chance of actually making it a decent town again. I always hear about how great Bolton used to be years ago when it had loads of jobs and THE WATER PLACE, but over the 20 or so years i have grown up here its just been getting worse, don't even get me started on the huge waste of money the new Market Place was, When i was a kid it was always packed with people at the small stalls and the other shops, i can't believe they got rid of the only things people went in for, now its just like every town/city in the UK so where is the attraction there? There are popular brand shops everywhere, but the Market Place used to have much more than just those shops, and now i only go in for the toilet.

Long story short, mosque = money spent in bolton, it can only be good. Be diverse for the future.
All i see happening here is more money being spent in Bolton, it doesn't matter who it benefits, the more Bolton is put on the map the greater the chance of actually making it a decent town again. I always hear about how great Bolton used to be years ago when it had loads of jobs and THE WATER PLACE, but over the 20 or so years i have grown up here its just been getting worse, don't even get me started on the huge waste of money the new Market Place was, When i was a kid it was always packed with people at the small stalls and the other shops, i can't believe they got rid of the only things people went in for, now its just like every town/city in the UK so where is the attraction there? There are popular brand shops everywhere, but the Market Place used to have much more than just those shops, and now i only go in for the toilet. Long story short, mosque = money spent in bolton, it can only be good. Be diverse for the future. lazyn31
  • Score: -17

10:49am Mon 30 Jun 14

imagnation1 says...

Who's future ?
Who's future ? imagnation1
  • Score: 19

11:05am Mon 30 Jun 14

waynagain says...

When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.
When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion. waynagain
  • Score: -13

11:10am Mon 30 Jun 14

StopwiththeBS says...

Want facts, here - have facts.

1) This protest isn't about stopping a mosque, it's about spreading religious hatred and attempting to tear communities apart. The valid concerns of residents have been undermined by this group who are clearly more focused on hate filled rhetoric. Just vist the Stop the Mosque facebook page or watch some of the videos of this event and you'll see that this is nothing to do with mosque building and EVERYTHING to do with a misguided view of Islam.

2) Bryn Morgan - the Protest organiser and leader of the facebook page - Is a BNP Activist and has links with the EDL and National Front. Many of the 'supporters' who came out also have links to EDL, National Front and Britain First. All extreme right-wing organisations who use misrepresentation of 'facts' to incite hatred and violence. Don't believe he is BNP? Look here https://www.google.c
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3) "But it was non-political" - Just because there are no BNP banners etc doesn't make it any less political. If Hitler was there saying "lets stop the mosque" would you stand behind him just because he didn't have any swastikas showing? The whole thing is a case of far-right extremists using usually quite sensible people to spread aggressive messages against a specific community.

4) It is illegal for the council to prohibit the building of any building purely because 'its Muslim'. The fact that the protest is predominately anti-Muslim belittles all the valid arguments put forward by concerned residents.

5) Many of the petition signitures have been coerced into signing through the use of falsified and misrepresented information. The campaign have been approaching people saying "The council have given £1.1million pounds to fund mosque building - sign if you disagree with this". Actually the council have provided £1.1million over 7 years to the Bolton Council of Mosques to fund community projects - things such as interfaith cricket tournaments, domestic abuse education etc. NONE of it has gone towards mosque buildings and organisations of all faiths and none have been granted with comparable amounts over the same time period.

The fact is the whole campaign led by Bryn and his cronies has purely been an attempt at splitting the Bolton community using hate and lies. And a lot of people are letting him.

Congratulations on proving that none of you can think for yourselves.
Want facts, here - have facts. 1) This protest isn't about stopping a mosque, it's about spreading religious hatred and attempting to tear communities apart. The valid concerns of residents have been undermined by this group who are clearly more focused on hate filled rhetoric. Just vist the Stop the Mosque facebook page or watch some of the videos of this event and you'll see that this is nothing to do with mosque building and EVERYTHING to do with a misguided view of Islam. 2) Bryn Morgan - the Protest organiser and leader of the facebook page - Is a BNP Activist and has links with the EDL and National Front. Many of the 'supporters' who came out also have links to EDL, National Front and Britain First. All extreme right-wing organisations who use misrepresentation of 'facts' to incite hatred and violence. Don't believe he is BNP? Look here https://www.google.c o.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j& q=&esrc=s&source=web &cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8 &ved=0CCIQtwIwAA&url =http%3A%2F%2Fwww.yo utube.com%2Fwatch%3F v%3DRSiiN0WLyFc&ei=Q DWxU-zpBIm5O_KxgfAN& usg=AFQjCNHyXIfHkr1q WINNNQ9sZwC9eFsMcw&s ig2=EE7WUVwL4rUAmzmU RPr7dw&bvm=bv.698378 84,d.ZWU 3) "But it was non-political" - Just because there are no BNP banners etc doesn't make it any less political. If Hitler was there saying "lets stop the mosque" would you stand behind him just because he didn't have any swastikas showing? The whole thing is a case of far-right extremists using usually quite sensible people to spread aggressive messages against a specific community. 4) It is illegal for the council to prohibit the building of any building purely because 'its Muslim'. The fact that the protest is predominately anti-Muslim belittles all the valid arguments put forward by concerned residents. 5) Many of the petition signitures have been coerced into signing through the use of falsified and misrepresented information. The campaign have been approaching people saying "The council have given £1.1million pounds to fund mosque building - sign if you disagree with this". Actually the council have provided £1.1million over 7 years to the Bolton Council of Mosques to fund community projects - things such as interfaith cricket tournaments, domestic abuse education etc. NONE of it has gone towards mosque buildings and organisations of all faiths and none have been granted with comparable amounts over the same time period. The fact is the whole campaign led by Bryn and his cronies has purely been an attempt at splitting the Bolton community using hate and lies. And a lot of people are letting him. Congratulations on proving that none of you can think for yourselves. StopwiththeBS
  • Score: 43

11:14am Mon 30 Jun 14

StopwiththeBS says...

waynagain wrote:
When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.
This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray.

For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.
[quote][p][bold]waynagain[/bold] wrote: When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.[/p][/quote]This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray. For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives. StopwiththeBS
  • Score: 18

11:21am Mon 30 Jun 14

adatherton says...

Hey Julian, what's this about Bolton Council giving £1.1m to Bolton Council of Mosques over 9 years to 2013. The website whatdotheyknow.com published it first (link below) and it seems to be a central plank of this Facebook campaign. Yet, the FoI reply doesn't look right. Can you look into it? (Obviously it's a lot, for a small minority of ratepayers)

https://www.whatdoth
eyknow.com/request/g
rant_and_funding
Hey Julian, what's this about Bolton Council giving £1.1m to Bolton Council of Mosques over 9 years to 2013. The website whatdotheyknow.com published it first (link below) and it seems to be a central plank of this Facebook campaign. Yet, the FoI reply doesn't look right. Can you look into it? (Obviously it's a lot, for a small minority of ratepayers) https://www.whatdoth eyknow.com/request/g rant_and_funding adatherton
  • Score: 14

12:01pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Brumas says...

On the subject, how about this for a "Quote" "Truthfully speaking, we don't need so many mosques," says Irfan al-Alawi, international director of the Centre for Islamic Pluralism in London. "We have 1,600 mosques (in Britain) and a (Muslim) population of 1.6 million. It's become a business rather than a worship place." Al-Alawi, who opposes the London mega-mosque, says disagreements within a mosque can cause some members to branch off and want their own new building that is unnecessary. The mosques often don't fit in with neighbourhoods or outnumber churches or other religious houses of worship, he says.
On the subject, how about this for a "Quote" "Truthfully speaking, we don't need so many mosques," says Irfan al-Alawi, international director of the Centre for Islamic Pluralism in London. "We have 1,600 mosques (in Britain) and a (Muslim) population of 1.6 million. It's become a business rather than a worship place." Al-Alawi, who opposes the London mega-mosque, says disagreements within a mosque can cause some members to branch off and want their own new building that is unnecessary. The mosques often don't fit in with neighbourhoods or outnumber churches or other religious houses of worship, he says. Brumas
  • Score: 10

12:08pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Rivertin says...

mb63 wrote:
Rivertin wrote: I felt a bit threatened by the presence of these protestors, also does anyone know of a petition for people who want the mosque? I would think it a good idea to have more and better places for religious worship. (if people are denied these places then what other activities do they fall prey to? Drink , Drugs etc) surely centres that are in the main a good influence on people should be encouraged,
In what way did you feel threatened by a group of people sat on the steps? If you felt threatened by that, i suggest you get checked out by your GP for anxiety disorder.
Loads of muslims must have felt threatened too as there are usually quite a lot walking around, I didnt see any passing the demo, and I sat there for quite a while (well back of course) , The day before this (Sat morn) the protestors had a stall near the steam engine and were shouting people oer to sign the petition if you didn't want to they wanted to know why not, then just ignored the arguments! if I was a lesser man, or maybe aged or anxious I would have probably signed as they had the appearence of bruisers
[quote][p][bold]mb63[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rivertin[/bold] wrote: I felt a bit threatened by the presence of these protestors, also does anyone know of a petition for people who want the mosque? I would think it a good idea to have more and better places for religious worship. (if people are denied these places then what other activities do they fall prey to? Drink , Drugs etc) surely centres that are in the main a good influence on people should be encouraged,[/p][/quote]In what way did you feel threatened by a group of people sat on the steps? If you felt threatened by that, i suggest you get checked out by your GP for anxiety disorder.[/p][/quote]Loads of muslims must have felt threatened too as there are usually quite a lot walking around, I didnt see any passing the demo, and I sat there for quite a while (well back of course) , The day before this (Sat morn) the protestors had a stall near the steam engine and were shouting people oer to sign the petition if you didn't want to they wanted to know why not, then just ignored the arguments! if I was a lesser man, or maybe aged or anxious I would have probably signed as they had the appearence of bruisers Rivertin
  • Score: -7

12:13pm Mon 30 Jun 14

mrs philainsy says...

A passerby, who did not wish to be named, said she had seen Bryn Morgan wearing a British National Party (BNP) rosette at an election count.

She added: “People walking past are being frightened into putting their personal details on that petition.


zzzzzzzz. Oh here we go - the same old song - the same old b@ll@cks all day long!!!

No-one was frightened by the protesters, no-one had to put their details on anything they didnt want to.......who IS this mystery passer-by the b.e.n keep latching on to?
If a group of people want to protest about a building, mosque or otherwise, that will disrupt their quality of life, e.g parking, crowds, noise etc, - they have every right to.
The council have a moral responsibility to ASK everyone it will affect, their views on the matter, and they havent.
Because its a mosque the Race Card is being bandied about, and it just isnt so.
Play the Racism card, and everyone will shut up, eh bolton council??
Well No they wont, we want you to respect our views and opinions.
Out of curiosity, why would a mosque bring us all together as a community?
Would atheists, agnostics, jewish people, catholics, church of england and methodists be allowed in there?
Will we all be allowed to play Bingo, watch Towie and have coffee mornings together?
Seen the state of the pot-holed roads, fly tipping and run down homes?
Surely fixing all that comes before a super mosque?
I wish the journalists would report the truth for once.
A passerby, who did not wish to be named, said she had seen Bryn Morgan wearing a British National Party (BNP) rosette at an election count. She added: “People walking past are being frightened into putting their personal details on that petition. zzzzzzzz. Oh here we go - the same old song - the same old b@ll@cks all day long!!! No-one was frightened by the protesters, no-one had to put their details on anything they didnt want to.......who IS this mystery passer-by the b.e.n keep latching on to? If a group of people want to protest about a building, mosque or otherwise, that will disrupt their quality of life, e.g parking, crowds, noise etc, - they have every right to. The council have a moral responsibility to ASK everyone it will affect, their views on the matter, and they havent. Because its a mosque the Race Card is being bandied about, and it just isnt so. Play the Racism card, and everyone will shut up, eh bolton council?? Well No they wont, we want you to respect our views and opinions. Out of curiosity, why would a mosque bring us all together as a community? Would atheists, agnostics, jewish people, catholics, church of england and methodists be allowed in there? Will we all be allowed to play Bingo, watch Towie and have coffee mornings together? Seen the state of the pot-holed roads, fly tipping and run down homes? Surely fixing all that comes before a super mosque? I wish the journalists would report the truth for once. mrs philainsy
  • Score: 27

12:23pm Mon 30 Jun 14

mb63 says...

Rivertin wrote:
mb63 wrote:
Rivertin wrote: I felt a bit threatened by the presence of these protestors, also does anyone know of a petition for people who want the mosque? I would think it a good idea to have more and better places for religious worship. (if people are denied these places then what other activities do they fall prey to? Drink , Drugs etc) surely centres that are in the main a good influence on people should be encouraged,
In what way did you feel threatened by a group of people sat on the steps? If you felt threatened by that, i suggest you get checked out by your GP for anxiety disorder.
Loads of muslims must have felt threatened too as there are usually quite a lot walking around, I didnt see any passing the demo, and I sat there for quite a while (well back of course) , The day before this (Sat morn) the protestors had a stall near the steam engine and were shouting people oer to sign the petition if you didn't want to they wanted to know why not, then just ignored the arguments! if I was a lesser man, or maybe aged or anxious I would have probably signed as they had the appearence of bruisers
Like i asked, how did people sitting on the steps make you feel threatened?
Nothing to do with previous days, or other peoples' feelings!
You say loads of muslims must have felt threatened?
By what exactly?
It was a TOTALLY peaceful protest!
If ANYONE felt threatened by Sundays event, they are either of a very nervous disposition, or they have something to hide regarding the mosque!
The article above is about Sundays' event, not Saturday!
Saturday was armed forces day, did you feel threatened by the MASSIVE crowds there?
[quote][p][bold]Rivertin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mb63[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rivertin[/bold] wrote: I felt a bit threatened by the presence of these protestors, also does anyone know of a petition for people who want the mosque? I would think it a good idea to have more and better places for religious worship. (if people are denied these places then what other activities do they fall prey to? Drink , Drugs etc) surely centres that are in the main a good influence on people should be encouraged,[/p][/quote]In what way did you feel threatened by a group of people sat on the steps? If you felt threatened by that, i suggest you get checked out by your GP for anxiety disorder.[/p][/quote]Loads of muslims must have felt threatened too as there are usually quite a lot walking around, I didnt see any passing the demo, and I sat there for quite a while (well back of course) , The day before this (Sat morn) the protestors had a stall near the steam engine and were shouting people oer to sign the petition if you didn't want to they wanted to know why not, then just ignored the arguments! if I was a lesser man, or maybe aged or anxious I would have probably signed as they had the appearence of bruisers[/p][/quote]Like i asked, how did people sitting on the steps make you feel threatened? Nothing to do with previous days, or other peoples' feelings! You say loads of muslims must have felt threatened? By what exactly? It was a TOTALLY peaceful protest! If ANYONE felt threatened by Sundays event, they are either of a very nervous disposition, or they have something to hide regarding the mosque! The article above is about Sundays' event, not Saturday! Saturday was armed forces day, did you feel threatened by the MASSIVE crowds there? mb63
  • Score: 13

12:43pm Mon 30 Jun 14

SleepingThunder says...

How much does a mosque like cost?
Do you mean in pounds or common sense?
How much does a mosque like cost? Do you mean in pounds or common sense? SleepingThunder
  • Score: 1

12:47pm Mon 30 Jun 14

calvin street says...

stereo_world wrote:
Glad I left this xenophobic dump of a town. I actually feel embarrassed when I tell people I grew up here.
You say you,ve left , you feel embarrassed. But you were just checking whats going on in the town you despise. WHY?
You cant let it go. Move ON.
It must be wonderful were you live now.
[quote][p][bold]stereo_world[/bold] wrote: Glad I left this xenophobic dump of a town. I actually feel embarrassed when I tell people I grew up here.[/p][/quote]You say you,ve left , you feel embarrassed. But you were just checking whats going on in the town you despise. WHY? You cant let it go. Move ON. It must be wonderful were you live now. calvin street
  • Score: 18

12:55pm Mon 30 Jun 14

calvin street says...

Julian Thorpe wrote:
wsw69 wrote:
mb63 wrote:
I was there for 2 hours. I never saw anyone frightened into signing the petition???
It was a TOTALLY peaceful event!
Spot-on mtb63.

The majority of the article is fabricated rubbish from a cr*p excuse of a journalist from a c*ap excuse of a snoozepaper.

Will we be getting any input from the so called excuse of the editor, Ian Savage? I very much doubt it
None of this is fabricated. We have simply quoted someone you disagree with.
Julian, reporting at its best.. You have said it is not fabricated then you will not name the person. A guy I spoke to at the weekend who I cannot name said the moon was made of cheese
[quote][p][bold]Julian Thorpe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mb63[/bold] wrote: I was there for 2 hours. I never saw anyone frightened into signing the petition??? It was a TOTALLY peaceful event![/p][/quote]Spot-on mtb63. The majority of the article is fabricated rubbish from a cr*p excuse of a journalist from a c*ap excuse of a snoozepaper. Will we be getting any input from the so called excuse of the editor, Ian Savage? I very much doubt it[/p][/quote]None of this is fabricated. We have simply quoted someone you disagree with.[/p][/quote]Julian, reporting at its best.. You have said it is not fabricated then you will not name the person. A guy I spoke to at the weekend who I cannot name said the moon was made of cheese calvin street
  • Score: 20

12:58pm Mon 30 Jun 14

SleepingThunder says...

Part of Sir peter fahy Joint Declaration Against #Hate #Crime.
signed at weekend. We have to learn to be more accommodating :(

Free speech and love of liberty has always been a key feature of the history and culture of Greater Manchester but it is important that religions or communities are not stereotyped on the basis of the activities of extremists and that everyone strives for greater understanding between different groups so the divisions seen in other parts of the world are never a feature of life here."
Part of Sir peter fahy Joint Declaration Against #Hate #Crime. signed at weekend. We have to learn to be more accommodating :( Free speech and love of liberty has always been a key feature of the history and culture of Greater Manchester but it is important that religions or communities are not stereotyped on the basis of the activities of extremists and that everyone strives for greater understanding between different groups so the divisions seen in other parts of the world are never a feature of life here." SleepingThunder
  • Score: -12

1:05pm Mon 30 Jun 14

calvin street says...

Regarding the mosque , its a done deal folks. I posted this in a previous story about the mosque but it got DELETED. Ask Bolton Council who the main planner for this mosque is. I have been told he has relatives who worship at this particular mosque. What do you think he is going to recommend.
Regarding the mosque , its a done deal folks. I posted this in a previous story about the mosque but it got DELETED. Ask Bolton Council who the main planner for this mosque is. I have been told he has relatives who worship at this particular mosque. What do you think he is going to recommend. calvin street
  • Score: 16

1:25pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Jerry cruncher says...

StopwiththeBS wrote:
waynagain wrote:
When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.
This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray.

For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.
The stupidity of those appeasing the most dangerous,barbaric,f
ascistic ideology on the planet baffles me,why would any right minded,logical person,think encouraging an ideology that is currently engaged in such barbarous activities around the world is a good idea? If we have so much trouble from them now when they make up 4.8% of the population just think of the problems we will face in the future when they make up 10,20% of the population? If we don't act now the future of this country is going to be extremely bleak.
[quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waynagain[/bold] wrote: When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.[/p][/quote]This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray. For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.[/p][/quote]The stupidity of those appeasing the most dangerous,barbaric,f ascistic ideology on the planet baffles me,why would any right minded,logical person,think encouraging an ideology that is currently engaged in such barbarous activities around the world is a good idea? If we have so much trouble from them now when they make up 4.8% of the population just think of the problems we will face in the future when they make up 10,20% of the population? If we don't act now the future of this country is going to be extremely bleak. Jerry cruncher
  • Score: 9

1:33pm Mon 30 Jun 14

SleepingThunder says...

How is it a done deal Calvin? I thought it was a democratic process & please enlighten us to the main planner.
How is it a done deal Calvin? I thought it was a democratic process & please enlighten us to the main planner. SleepingThunder
  • Score: 2

1:50pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Julian Thorpe says...

adatherton wrote:
Hey Julian, what's this about Bolton Council giving £1.1m to Bolton Council of Mosques over 9 years to 2013. The website whatdotheyknow.com published it first (link below) and it seems to be a central plank of this Facebook campaign. Yet, the FoI reply doesn't look right. Can you look into it? (Obviously it's a lot, for a small minority of ratepayers)

https://www.whatdoth

eyknow.com/request/g

rant_and_funding
Yes, we are looking into this.
[quote][p][bold]adatherton[/bold] wrote: Hey Julian, what's this about Bolton Council giving £1.1m to Bolton Council of Mosques over 9 years to 2013. The website whatdotheyknow.com published it first (link below) and it seems to be a central plank of this Facebook campaign. Yet, the FoI reply doesn't look right. Can you look into it? (Obviously it's a lot, for a small minority of ratepayers) https://www.whatdoth eyknow.com/request/g rant_and_funding[/p][/quote]Yes, we are looking into this. Julian Thorpe
  • Score: 11

2:03pm Mon 30 Jun 14

StopwiththeBS says...

Jerry cruncher wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
waynagain wrote:
When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.
This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray.

For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.
The stupidity of those appeasing the most dangerous,barbaric,f

ascistic ideology on the planet baffles me,why would any right minded,logical person,think encouraging an ideology that is currently engaged in such barbarous activities around the world is a good idea? If we have so much trouble from them now when they make up 4.8% of the population just think of the problems we will face in the future when they make up 10,20% of the population? If we don't act now the future of this country is going to be extremely bleak.
You know that the 4.8% of Muslims don't actually want to live in an islamic state don't you? In fact most of them were either born here and fully identify with being British or fled islamic countries as a result of the lack of progressive thinking within them.

Jesus - stop with the fear mongering. Are you seriously advocating a Nazi-ish eradication of an entire community?
[quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waynagain[/bold] wrote: When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.[/p][/quote]This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray. For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.[/p][/quote]The stupidity of those appeasing the most dangerous,barbaric,f ascistic ideology on the planet baffles me,why would any right minded,logical person,think encouraging an ideology that is currently engaged in such barbarous activities around the world is a good idea? If we have so much trouble from them now when they make up 4.8% of the population just think of the problems we will face in the future when they make up 10,20% of the population? If we don't act now the future of this country is going to be extremely bleak.[/p][/quote]You know that the 4.8% of Muslims don't actually want to live in an islamic state don't you? In fact most of them were either born here and fully identify with being British or fled islamic countries as a result of the lack of progressive thinking within them. Jesus - stop with the fear mongering. Are you seriously advocating a Nazi-ish eradication of an entire community? StopwiththeBS
  • Score: -4

2:10pm Mon 30 Jun 14

StopwiththeBS says...

Julian Thorpe wrote:
adatherton wrote:
Hey Julian, what's this about Bolton Council giving £1.1m to Bolton Council of Mosques over 9 years to 2013. The website whatdotheyknow.com published it first (link below) and it seems to be a central plank of this Facebook campaign. Yet, the FoI reply doesn't look right. Can you look into it? (Obviously it's a lot, for a small minority of ratepayers)

https://www.whatdoth


eyknow.com/request/g


rant_and_funding
Yes, we are looking into this.
And i put money on finding that none of it was used to fund mosque building - instead spent on community projects in exactly the say way similar amounts of funding have been spent by organisations of other faiths and no faiths. Its just a figure Bryn has sunk his teeth into to try and spread hate.

Whilst you are researching it Julian can you also look into how using falsified and misleading information to gain signatures on a petition is viewed in the eyes of the law?
[quote][p][bold]Julian Thorpe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adatherton[/bold] wrote: Hey Julian, what's this about Bolton Council giving £1.1m to Bolton Council of Mosques over 9 years to 2013. The website whatdotheyknow.com published it first (link below) and it seems to be a central plank of this Facebook campaign. Yet, the FoI reply doesn't look right. Can you look into it? (Obviously it's a lot, for a small minority of ratepayers) https://www.whatdoth eyknow.com/request/g rant_and_funding[/p][/quote]Yes, we are looking into this.[/p][/quote]And i put money on finding that none of it was used to fund mosque building - instead spent on community projects in exactly the say way similar amounts of funding have been spent by organisations of other faiths and no faiths. Its just a figure Bryn has sunk his teeth into to try and spread hate. Whilst you are researching it Julian can you also look into how using falsified and misleading information to gain signatures on a petition is viewed in the eyes of the law? StopwiththeBS
  • Score: 5

2:16pm Mon 30 Jun 14

StopwiththeBS says...

wsw69 wrote:
Now then, where have the extra photos come from?
A camera? I'm guessing a camera...
[quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: Now then, where have the extra photos come from?[/p][/quote]A camera? I'm guessing a camera... StopwiththeBS
  • Score: 1

2:21pm Mon 30 Jun 14

StopwiththeBS says...

Julian - if you want to make the story factually correct feel free to change it to Bolton resident Kev Walsh said of the protest "Bryn Morgan is a BNP activist - as any google search for "Bryn Morgan, Bolton" will attest to - who has undermined the valid objections of a community by turning the protest into an anti-islamic soapbox."
Julian - if you want to make the story factually correct feel free to change it to Bolton resident Kev Walsh said of the protest "Bryn Morgan is a BNP activist - as any google search for "Bryn Morgan, Bolton" will attest to - who has undermined the valid objections of a community by turning the protest into an anti-islamic soapbox." StopwiththeBS
  • Score: 13

2:30pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Jerry cruncher says...

StopwiththeBS wrote:
Jerry cruncher wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
waynagain wrote:
When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.
This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray.

For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.
The stupidity of those appeasing the most dangerous,barbaric,f


ascistic ideology on the planet baffles me,why would any right minded,logical person,think encouraging an ideology that is currently engaged in such barbarous activities around the world is a good idea? If we have so much trouble from them now when they make up 4.8% of the population just think of the problems we will face in the future when they make up 10,20% of the population? If we don't act now the future of this country is going to be extremely bleak.
You know that the 4.8% of Muslims don't actually want to live in an islamic state don't you? In fact most of them were either born here and fully identify with being British or fled islamic countries as a result of the lack of progressive thinking within them.

Jesus - stop with the fear mongering. Are you seriously advocating a Nazi-ish eradication of an entire community?
You seem to be saying that not one of the 4.8% of Muslims living in this country wants to live in an Islamic state? Also that they fully identify with being British? If this is true how do you account for the high % of the Islamic community who would like to see sharia law introduced in the UK? Or those that have left the UK to take part in Jihad? Or our homegrown terrorists? It's interesting that you mention Nazis,you do realise Islamists are fascists? I've never understood why so many with far-left political views support their ideological opposites,it's either through stupidity,ignorance or hatred of their own country,people and culture.
[quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waynagain[/bold] wrote: When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.[/p][/quote]This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray. For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.[/p][/quote]The stupidity of those appeasing the most dangerous,barbaric,f ascistic ideology on the planet baffles me,why would any right minded,logical person,think encouraging an ideology that is currently engaged in such barbarous activities around the world is a good idea? If we have so much trouble from them now when they make up 4.8% of the population just think of the problems we will face in the future when they make up 10,20% of the population? If we don't act now the future of this country is going to be extremely bleak.[/p][/quote]You know that the 4.8% of Muslims don't actually want to live in an islamic state don't you? In fact most of them were either born here and fully identify with being British or fled islamic countries as a result of the lack of progressive thinking within them. Jesus - stop with the fear mongering. Are you seriously advocating a Nazi-ish eradication of an entire community?[/p][/quote]You seem to be saying that not one of the 4.8% of Muslims living in this country wants to live in an Islamic state? Also that they fully identify with being British? If this is true how do you account for the high % of the Islamic community who would like to see sharia law introduced in the UK? Or those that have left the UK to take part in Jihad? Or our homegrown terrorists? It's interesting that you mention Nazis,you do realise Islamists are fascists? I've never understood why so many with far-left political views support their ideological opposites,it's either through stupidity,ignorance or hatred of their own country,people and culture. Jerry cruncher
  • Score: 15

2:40pm Mon 30 Jun 14

wsw69 says...

Julian Thorpe wrote:
wsw69 wrote:
mb63 wrote:
I was there for 2 hours. I never saw anyone frightened into signing the petition???
It was a TOTALLY peaceful event!
Spot-on mtb63.

The majority of the article is fabricated rubbish from a cr*p excuse of a journalist from a c*ap excuse of a snoozepaper.

Will we be getting any input from the so called excuse of the editor, Ian Savage? I very much doubt it
None of this is fabricated. We have simply quoted someone you disagree with.
Julian

First and foremost, were you in attendance at that event/meeting?

Secondly, anyone else who was at that event/meeting wouldn't agree with most of what your reporter has put in the article.

This article IS seriously flawed and puts across a completely incorrect picture of the event. I was in town to meet a mate for breakfast, and upon walking in to the square around 12.15 - 12.30 this malarkey was under way. We watched what was going on for about 35 minutes, and watched your male photographer taking pictures

The point I disagree with is much more than the rubbish about ANY ONE being or feeling threatened or frightened into signing any petition. There were 6 - 8 police officers as we could see, two of them sergeants, one male and the blonde lady in your picture. If anyone had felt like they were being frightened, threatened, intimidated or otherwise then they were only a few feet away from being able to report it first hand.

The police had no issues with anything that was going on.

In fairness, those people who were protesting on the town hall steps did so in a decent manner without coming across as threatening or otherwise. Irrespective of my own personal views expressed about them in my initial post, I will be honest and say what I saw and how it came across.

What I do have issue with is the slant and gloss that your reporter has added to this article, which had I not been there just by chance, I would have read into this article which would have resulted in a completely different picture.

From the readers of your paper and the online version, many criticise the 'quality' of reporting and the accuracy of reporting. We won't even bother with the grammar and spelling aspects.

I understand you defending your reporters, fair enough, but one can't escape the facts of the matter that the vast majority of the readership will have completely the wrong idea of how that protest was conducted. It passed off peacefully, without any feeling or visibility of fear, intimidation, threat or otherwise.

There was a bald guy with a white tee shirt who was holding a clipboard and asking for signatures near the cenotaph. He was quite jovial, chatting to people and was not coming across as threatening or otherwise. Also, there were two police officers not ten feet from him.

I would expect a report to portray to it's readership a feeling of how, that or any other event for that matter, the atmosphere was. This report DOES NOT come close to doing that.

Your paper is less than democratic, over run with political correctness and grossly selective on which reports can be commented on. I fully understand for legal reasons that comments can't be allowed in certain circumstances, but over the last few months, many topics are off limits in not allowing comments.

You cherry pick, it stands out like a sore thumb while at the same time thinking the people reading these articles online won't notice.

Low-level journalism from a low-level snoozepaper, and the populous of the readership that I know also have the same opinion.

Good afternoon and thanks for reading. :-)
[quote][p][bold]Julian Thorpe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mb63[/bold] wrote: I was there for 2 hours. I never saw anyone frightened into signing the petition??? It was a TOTALLY peaceful event![/p][/quote]Spot-on mtb63. The majority of the article is fabricated rubbish from a cr*p excuse of a journalist from a c*ap excuse of a snoozepaper. Will we be getting any input from the so called excuse of the editor, Ian Savage? I very much doubt it[/p][/quote]None of this is fabricated. We have simply quoted someone you disagree with.[/p][/quote]Julian First and foremost, were you in attendance at that event/meeting? Secondly, anyone else who was at that event/meeting wouldn't agree with most of what your reporter has put in the article. This article IS seriously flawed and puts across a completely incorrect picture of the event. I was in town to meet a mate for breakfast, and upon walking in to the square around 12.15 - 12.30 this malarkey was under way. We watched what was going on for about 35 minutes, and watched your male photographer taking pictures The point I disagree with is much more than the rubbish about ANY ONE being or feeling threatened or frightened into signing any petition. There were 6 - 8 police officers as we could see, two of them sergeants, one male and the blonde lady in your picture. If anyone had felt like they were being frightened, threatened, intimidated or otherwise then they were only a few feet away from being able to report it first hand. The police had no issues with anything that was going on. In fairness, those people who were protesting on the town hall steps did so in a decent manner without coming across as threatening or otherwise. Irrespective of my own personal views expressed about them in my initial post, I will be honest and say what I saw and how it came across. What I do have issue with is the slant and gloss that your reporter has added to this article, which had I not been there just by chance, I would have read into this article which would have resulted in a completely different picture. From the readers of your paper and the online version, many criticise the 'quality' of reporting and the accuracy of reporting. We won't even bother with the grammar and spelling aspects. I understand you defending your reporters, fair enough, but one can't escape the facts of the matter that the vast majority of the readership will have completely the wrong idea of how that protest was conducted. It passed off peacefully, without any feeling or visibility of fear, intimidation, threat or otherwise. There was a bald guy with a white tee shirt who was holding a clipboard and asking for signatures near the cenotaph. He was quite jovial, chatting to people and was not coming across as threatening or otherwise. Also, there were two police officers not ten feet from him. I would expect a report to portray to it's readership a feeling of how, that or any other event for that matter, the atmosphere was. This report DOES NOT come close to doing that. Your paper is less than democratic, over run with political correctness and grossly selective on which reports can be commented on. I fully understand for legal reasons that comments can't be allowed in certain circumstances, but over the last few months, many topics are off limits in not allowing comments. You cherry pick, it stands out like a sore thumb while at the same time thinking the people reading these articles online won't notice. Low-level journalism from a low-level snoozepaper, and the populous of the readership that I know also have the same opinion. Good afternoon and thanks for reading. :-) wsw69
  • Score: 27

2:43pm Mon 30 Jun 14

StopwiththeBS says...

Jerry cruncher wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
Jerry cruncher wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
waynagain wrote:
When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.
This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray.

For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.
The stupidity of those appeasing the most dangerous,barbaric,f



ascistic ideology on the planet baffles me,why would any right minded,logical person,think encouraging an ideology that is currently engaged in such barbarous activities around the world is a good idea? If we have so much trouble from them now when they make up 4.8% of the population just think of the problems we will face in the future when they make up 10,20% of the population? If we don't act now the future of this country is going to be extremely bleak.
You know that the 4.8% of Muslims don't actually want to live in an islamic state don't you? In fact most of them were either born here and fully identify with being British or fled islamic countries as a result of the lack of progressive thinking within them.

Jesus - stop with the fear mongering. Are you seriously advocating a Nazi-ish eradication of an entire community?
You seem to be saying that not one of the 4.8% of Muslims living in this country wants to live in an Islamic state? Also that they fully identify with being British? If this is true how do you account for the high % of the Islamic community who would like to see sharia law introduced in the UK? Or those that have left the UK to take part in Jihad? Or our homegrown terrorists? It's interesting that you mention Nazis,you do realise Islamists are fascists? I've never understood why so many with far-left political views support their ideological opposites,it's either through stupidity,ignorance or hatred of their own country,people and culture.
Please feel free to show me the actual stated facts that a 'high percentage' want to live in a sharia run country. And if - and when - you do that. Can you also do some maths and work out exactly how many people that is as a whole number. Then I can laygh at you.

You do know that 'guessing' at my political affiliations does not actually make you correct? You are aware the term fascist has no actual meaning anymore? You are also aware that Nazi Germany began by scapegoating an entire RELIGION (not not race - they were happy to scapegoat and exterminate people who were Jewish who had decided to become Jews and had no semetic link whatsoever.)

I'm neither left-wing or right-wing. I have no love for the UAF, Communists or other far-left ideologies. However i do accept that most of them exist purely because of the existence of the far-right. Educate the far-right and there's little need for the far-left.

Can you please detail exactly your proposed plan for 'dealing with the muslims'
[quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waynagain[/bold] wrote: When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.[/p][/quote]This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray. For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.[/p][/quote]The stupidity of those appeasing the most dangerous,barbaric,f ascistic ideology on the planet baffles me,why would any right minded,logical person,think encouraging an ideology that is currently engaged in such barbarous activities around the world is a good idea? If we have so much trouble from them now when they make up 4.8% of the population just think of the problems we will face in the future when they make up 10,20% of the population? If we don't act now the future of this country is going to be extremely bleak.[/p][/quote]You know that the 4.8% of Muslims don't actually want to live in an islamic state don't you? In fact most of them were either born here and fully identify with being British or fled islamic countries as a result of the lack of progressive thinking within them. Jesus - stop with the fear mongering. Are you seriously advocating a Nazi-ish eradication of an entire community?[/p][/quote]You seem to be saying that not one of the 4.8% of Muslims living in this country wants to live in an Islamic state? Also that they fully identify with being British? If this is true how do you account for the high % of the Islamic community who would like to see sharia law introduced in the UK? Or those that have left the UK to take part in Jihad? Or our homegrown terrorists? It's interesting that you mention Nazis,you do realise Islamists are fascists? I've never understood why so many with far-left political views support their ideological opposites,it's either through stupidity,ignorance or hatred of their own country,people and culture.[/p][/quote]Please feel free to show me the actual stated facts that a 'high percentage' want to live in a sharia run country. And if - and when - you do that. Can you also do some maths and work out exactly how many people that is as a whole number. Then I can laygh at you. You do know that 'guessing' at my political affiliations does not actually make you correct? You are aware the term fascist has no actual meaning anymore? You are also aware that Nazi Germany began by scapegoating an entire RELIGION (not not race - they were happy to scapegoat and exterminate people who were Jewish who had decided to become Jews and had no semetic link whatsoever.) I'm neither left-wing or right-wing. I have no love for the UAF, Communists or other far-left ideologies. However i do accept that most of them exist purely because of the existence of the far-right. Educate the far-right and there's little need for the far-left. Can you please detail exactly your proposed plan for 'dealing with the muslims' StopwiththeBS
  • Score: 8

2:54pm Mon 30 Jun 14

StopwiththeBS says...

Bob Shaftoe wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
wsw69 wrote:
Now then, where have the extra photos come from?
A camera? I'm guessing a camera...
Looks like TROll/BWFC71/NIGELLA has re-invented himself yet again into this tool.
Nope - try again
[quote][p][bold]Bob Shaftoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: Now then, where have the extra photos come from?[/p][/quote]A camera? I'm guessing a camera...[/p][/quote]Looks like TROll/BWFC71/NIGELLA has re-invented himself yet again into this tool.[/p][/quote]Nope - try again StopwiththeBS
  • Score: 1

3:03pm Mon 30 Jun 14

wsw69 says...

StopwiththeBS wrote:
wsw69 wrote:
Now then, where have the extra photos come from?
A camera? I'm guessing a camera...
When I posted at 09.30 there was only ONE picture of the guy with the megaphone. The reason I posted that comment was myself and my mate watched the Bolton News photographer snapping away, so I would have expected more pics. About 15 minutes they put more up.

Does this answer your question?
[quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: Now then, where have the extra photos come from?[/p][/quote]A camera? I'm guessing a camera...[/p][/quote]When I posted at 09.30 there was only ONE picture of the guy with the megaphone. The reason I posted that comment was myself and my mate watched the Bolton News photographer snapping away, so I would have expected more pics. About 15 minutes they put more up. Does this answer your question? wsw69
  • Score: 5

3:08pm Mon 30 Jun 14

StopwiththeBS says...

wsw69 wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
wsw69 wrote:
Now then, where have the extra photos come from?
A camera? I'm guessing a camera...
When I posted at 09.30 there was only ONE picture of the guy with the megaphone. The reason I posted that comment was myself and my mate watched the Bolton News photographer snapping away, so I would have expected more pics. About 15 minutes they put more up.

Does this answer your question?
Not really - i didn't really have a question you see.. was more of a flippant sarcastic comment. But thanks for your reply nonetheless.
[quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: Now then, where have the extra photos come from?[/p][/quote]A camera? I'm guessing a camera...[/p][/quote]When I posted at 09.30 there was only ONE picture of the guy with the megaphone. The reason I posted that comment was myself and my mate watched the Bolton News photographer snapping away, so I would have expected more pics. About 15 minutes they put more up. Does this answer your question?[/p][/quote]Not really - i didn't really have a question you see.. was more of a flippant sarcastic comment. But thanks for your reply nonetheless. StopwiththeBS
  • Score: 5

3:21pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Rivertin says...

mb63 wrote:
Rivertin wrote:
mb63 wrote:
Rivertin wrote: I felt a bit threatened by the presence of these protestors, also does anyone know of a petition for people who want the mosque? I would think it a good idea to have more and better places for religious worship. (if people are denied these places then what other activities do they fall prey to? Drink , Drugs etc) surely centres that are in the main a good influence on people should be encouraged,
In what way did you feel threatened by a group of people sat on the steps? If you felt threatened by that, i suggest you get checked out by your GP for anxiety disorder.
Loads of muslims must have felt threatened too as there are usually quite a lot walking around, I didnt see any passing the demo, and I sat there for quite a while (well back of course) , The day before this (Sat morn) the protestors had a stall near the steam engine and were shouting people oer to sign the petition if you didn't want to they wanted to know why not, then just ignored the arguments! if I was a lesser man, or maybe aged or anxious I would have probably signed as they had the appearence of bruisers
Like i asked, how did people sitting on the steps make you feel threatened? Nothing to do with previous days, or other peoples' feelings! You say loads of muslims must have felt threatened? By what exactly? It was a TOTALLY peaceful protest! If ANYONE felt threatened by Sundays event, they are either of a very nervous disposition, or they have something to hide regarding the mosque! The article above is about Sundays' event, not Saturday! Saturday was armed forces day, did you feel threatened by the MASSIVE crowds there?
Yes people sitting on the steps made me feel slightly threatened, and they had the same stall they had on a saturday, the same banner and similar looking people, and also yes I did feel some intimidation from the military on the previous day (after all they kill people you know) and there wasn't large crowds at the protest, the protestors created a bit of a vacuum that day, people avoided them, care to guess why that was?
[quote][p][bold]mb63[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rivertin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mb63[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Rivertin[/bold] wrote: I felt a bit threatened by the presence of these protestors, also does anyone know of a petition for people who want the mosque? I would think it a good idea to have more and better places for religious worship. (if people are denied these places then what other activities do they fall prey to? Drink , Drugs etc) surely centres that are in the main a good influence on people should be encouraged,[/p][/quote]In what way did you feel threatened by a group of people sat on the steps? If you felt threatened by that, i suggest you get checked out by your GP for anxiety disorder.[/p][/quote]Loads of muslims must have felt threatened too as there are usually quite a lot walking around, I didnt see any passing the demo, and I sat there for quite a while (well back of course) , The day before this (Sat morn) the protestors had a stall near the steam engine and were shouting people oer to sign the petition if you didn't want to they wanted to know why not, then just ignored the arguments! if I was a lesser man, or maybe aged or anxious I would have probably signed as they had the appearence of bruisers[/p][/quote]Like i asked, how did people sitting on the steps make you feel threatened? Nothing to do with previous days, or other peoples' feelings! You say loads of muslims must have felt threatened? By what exactly? It was a TOTALLY peaceful protest! If ANYONE felt threatened by Sundays event, they are either of a very nervous disposition, or they have something to hide regarding the mosque! The article above is about Sundays' event, not Saturday! Saturday was armed forces day, did you feel threatened by the MASSIVE crowds there?[/p][/quote]Yes people sitting on the steps made me feel slightly threatened, and they had the same stall they had on a saturday, the same banner and similar looking people, and also yes I did feel some intimidation from the military on the previous day (after all they kill people you know) and there wasn't large crowds at the protest, the protestors created a bit of a vacuum that day, people avoided them, care to guess why that was? Rivertin
  • Score: -7

3:21pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Jerry cruncher says...

StopwiththeBS wrote:
Jerry cruncher wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
Jerry cruncher wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
waynagain wrote:
When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.
This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray.

For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.
The stupidity of those appeasing the most dangerous,barbaric,f




ascistic ideology on the planet baffles me,why would any right minded,logical person,think encouraging an ideology that is currently engaged in such barbarous activities around the world is a good idea? If we have so much trouble from them now when they make up 4.8% of the population just think of the problems we will face in the future when they make up 10,20% of the population? If we don't act now the future of this country is going to be extremely bleak.
You know that the 4.8% of Muslims don't actually want to live in an islamic state don't you? In fact most of them were either born here and fully identify with being British or fled islamic countries as a result of the lack of progressive thinking within them.

Jesus - stop with the fear mongering. Are you seriously advocating a Nazi-ish eradication of an entire community?
You seem to be saying that not one of the 4.8% of Muslims living in this country wants to live in an Islamic state? Also that they fully identify with being British? If this is true how do you account for the high % of the Islamic community who would like to see sharia law introduced in the UK? Or those that have left the UK to take part in Jihad? Or our homegrown terrorists? It's interesting that you mention Nazis,you do realise Islamists are fascists? I've never understood why so many with far-left political views support their ideological opposites,it's either through stupidity,ignorance or hatred of their own country,people and culture.
Please feel free to show me the actual stated facts that a 'high percentage' want to live in a sharia run country. And if - and when - you do that. Can you also do some maths and work out exactly how many people that is as a whole number. Then I can laygh at you.

You do know that 'guessing' at my political affiliations does not actually make you correct? You are aware the term fascist has no actual meaning anymore? You are also aware that Nazi Germany began by scapegoating an entire RELIGION (not not race - they were happy to scapegoat and exterminate people who were Jewish who had decided to become Jews and had no semetic link whatsoever.)

I'm neither left-wing or right-wing. I have no love for the UAF, Communists or other far-left ideologies. However i do accept that most of them exist purely because of the existence of the far-right. Educate the far-right and there's little need for the far-left.

Can you please detail exactly your proposed plan for 'dealing with the muslims'
Your stupidity and hypocrisy is breathtaking,again you are waffling on about Nazis while seemingly being ignorant too the meaning of Fascism which is a authoritarian hierarchical political system,basically the sort of government most commonly found in Islamic countries where democracy is a relatively new concept,as we are seeing across the Islamic world,might is often seen as right,the ones with the most arms and brutal ways succeed,this culture will eventually become more prevalent in this country,as it already has with terrorist attacks and things like the Islamic patrols we hear about in parts of London,unless we reduce the number of Muslims in this country by stopping anymore from emigrating here through arranged marriages etc and try to educate the one's already living to become more modern,forward thinking people instead of living in the Middle Ages,appeasing them,like appeasement of the Nazis is not and has not worked
[quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waynagain[/bold] wrote: When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.[/p][/quote]This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray. For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.[/p][/quote]The stupidity of those appeasing the most dangerous,barbaric,f ascistic ideology on the planet baffles me,why would any right minded,logical person,think encouraging an ideology that is currently engaged in such barbarous activities around the world is a good idea? If we have so much trouble from them now when they make up 4.8% of the population just think of the problems we will face in the future when they make up 10,20% of the population? If we don't act now the future of this country is going to be extremely bleak.[/p][/quote]You know that the 4.8% of Muslims don't actually want to live in an islamic state don't you? In fact most of them were either born here and fully identify with being British or fled islamic countries as a result of the lack of progressive thinking within them. Jesus - stop with the fear mongering. Are you seriously advocating a Nazi-ish eradication of an entire community?[/p][/quote]You seem to be saying that not one of the 4.8% of Muslims living in this country wants to live in an Islamic state? Also that they fully identify with being British? If this is true how do you account for the high % of the Islamic community who would like to see sharia law introduced in the UK? Or those that have left the UK to take part in Jihad? Or our homegrown terrorists? It's interesting that you mention Nazis,you do realise Islamists are fascists? I've never understood why so many with far-left political views support their ideological opposites,it's either through stupidity,ignorance or hatred of their own country,people and culture.[/p][/quote]Please feel free to show me the actual stated facts that a 'high percentage' want to live in a sharia run country. And if - and when - you do that. Can you also do some maths and work out exactly how many people that is as a whole number. Then I can laygh at you. You do know that 'guessing' at my political affiliations does not actually make you correct? You are aware the term fascist has no actual meaning anymore? You are also aware that Nazi Germany began by scapegoating an entire RELIGION (not not race - they were happy to scapegoat and exterminate people who were Jewish who had decided to become Jews and had no semetic link whatsoever.) I'm neither left-wing or right-wing. I have no love for the UAF, Communists or other far-left ideologies. However i do accept that most of them exist purely because of the existence of the far-right. Educate the far-right and there's little need for the far-left. Can you please detail exactly your proposed plan for 'dealing with the muslims'[/p][/quote]Your stupidity and hypocrisy is breathtaking,again you are waffling on about Nazis while seemingly being ignorant too the meaning of Fascism which is a authoritarian hierarchical political system,basically the sort of government most commonly found in Islamic countries where democracy is a relatively new concept,as we are seeing across the Islamic world,might is often seen as right,the ones with the most arms and brutal ways succeed,this culture will eventually become more prevalent in this country,as it already has with terrorist attacks and things like the Islamic patrols we hear about in parts of London,unless we reduce the number of Muslims in this country by stopping anymore from emigrating here through arranged marriages etc and try to educate the one's already living to become more modern,forward thinking people instead of living in the Middle Ages,appeasing them,like appeasement of the Nazis is not and has not worked Jerry cruncher
  • Score: 5

3:34pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Rivertin says...

People protesting againts a peaceful mosque eh? maybe they are threatened by it?

Why not embrace change? after all more cars are good for business, instead of protesting why don't they get a job, washing cars for example.
People protesting againts a peaceful mosque eh? maybe they are threatened by it? Why not embrace change? after all more cars are good for business, instead of protesting why don't they get a job, washing cars for example. Rivertin
  • Score: -8

3:39pm Mon 30 Jun 14

StopwiththeBS says...

Jerry cruncher wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
Jerry cruncher wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
Jerry cruncher wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
waynagain wrote:
When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.
This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray.

For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.
The stupidity of those appeasing the most dangerous,barbaric,f





ascistic ideology on the planet baffles me,why would any right minded,logical person,think encouraging an ideology that is currently engaged in such barbarous activities around the world is a good idea? If we have so much trouble from them now when they make up 4.8% of the population just think of the problems we will face in the future when they make up 10,20% of the population? If we don't act now the future of this country is going to be extremely bleak.
You know that the 4.8% of Muslims don't actually want to live in an islamic state don't you? In fact most of them were either born here and fully identify with being British or fled islamic countries as a result of the lack of progressive thinking within them.

Jesus - stop with the fear mongering. Are you seriously advocating a Nazi-ish eradication of an entire community?
You seem to be saying that not one of the 4.8% of Muslims living in this country wants to live in an Islamic state? Also that they fully identify with being British? If this is true how do you account for the high % of the Islamic community who would like to see sharia law introduced in the UK? Or those that have left the UK to take part in Jihad? Or our homegrown terrorists? It's interesting that you mention Nazis,you do realise Islamists are fascists? I've never understood why so many with far-left political views support their ideological opposites,it's either through stupidity,ignorance or hatred of their own country,people and culture.
Please feel free to show me the actual stated facts that a 'high percentage' want to live in a sharia run country. And if - and when - you do that. Can you also do some maths and work out exactly how many people that is as a whole number. Then I can laygh at you.

You do know that 'guessing' at my political affiliations does not actually make you correct? You are aware the term fascist has no actual meaning anymore? You are also aware that Nazi Germany began by scapegoating an entire RELIGION (not not race - they were happy to scapegoat and exterminate people who were Jewish who had decided to become Jews and had no semetic link whatsoever.)

I'm neither left-wing or right-wing. I have no love for the UAF, Communists or other far-left ideologies. However i do accept that most of them exist purely because of the existence of the far-right. Educate the far-right and there's little need for the far-left.

Can you please detail exactly your proposed plan for 'dealing with the muslims'
Your stupidity and hypocrisy is breathtaking,again you are waffling on about Nazis while seemingly being ignorant too the meaning of Fascism which is a authoritarian hierarchical political system,basically the sort of government most commonly found in Islamic countries where democracy is a relatively new concept,as we are seeing across the Islamic world,might is often seen as right,the ones with the most arms and brutal ways succeed,this culture will eventually become more prevalent in this country,as it already has with terrorist attacks and things like the Islamic patrols we hear about in parts of London,unless we reduce the number of Muslims in this country by stopping anymore from emigrating here through arranged marriages etc and try to educate the one's already living to become more modern,forward thinking people instead of living in the Middle Ages,appeasing them,like appeasement of the Nazis is not and has not worked
And how does taking away their rights to freedom to worship educate them them to be "more modern, forward thinking people"? Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't the Taliban remove the freedoms of individuals as a central policy?

You are basically saying all followers of Islam are fascists. And the only way to prevent their fascist take over of Britain is to act in a fascist totalitarian way to prevent it.

well done on the higher ground there....
[quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waynagain[/bold] wrote: When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.[/p][/quote]This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray. For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.[/p][/quote]The stupidity of those appeasing the most dangerous,barbaric,f ascistic ideology on the planet baffles me,why would any right minded,logical person,think encouraging an ideology that is currently engaged in such barbarous activities around the world is a good idea? If we have so much trouble from them now when they make up 4.8% of the population just think of the problems we will face in the future when they make up 10,20% of the population? If we don't act now the future of this country is going to be extremely bleak.[/p][/quote]You know that the 4.8% of Muslims don't actually want to live in an islamic state don't you? In fact most of them were either born here and fully identify with being British or fled islamic countries as a result of the lack of progressive thinking within them. Jesus - stop with the fear mongering. Are you seriously advocating a Nazi-ish eradication of an entire community?[/p][/quote]You seem to be saying that not one of the 4.8% of Muslims living in this country wants to live in an Islamic state? Also that they fully identify with being British? If this is true how do you account for the high % of the Islamic community who would like to see sharia law introduced in the UK? Or those that have left the UK to take part in Jihad? Or our homegrown terrorists? It's interesting that you mention Nazis,you do realise Islamists are fascists? I've never understood why so many with far-left political views support their ideological opposites,it's either through stupidity,ignorance or hatred of their own country,people and culture.[/p][/quote]Please feel free to show me the actual stated facts that a 'high percentage' want to live in a sharia run country. And if - and when - you do that. Can you also do some maths and work out exactly how many people that is as a whole number. Then I can laygh at you. You do know that 'guessing' at my political affiliations does not actually make you correct? You are aware the term fascist has no actual meaning anymore? You are also aware that Nazi Germany began by scapegoating an entire RELIGION (not not race - they were happy to scapegoat and exterminate people who were Jewish who had decided to become Jews and had no semetic link whatsoever.) I'm neither left-wing or right-wing. I have no love for the UAF, Communists or other far-left ideologies. However i do accept that most of them exist purely because of the existence of the far-right. Educate the far-right and there's little need for the far-left. Can you please detail exactly your proposed plan for 'dealing with the muslims'[/p][/quote]Your stupidity and hypocrisy is breathtaking,again you are waffling on about Nazis while seemingly being ignorant too the meaning of Fascism which is a authoritarian hierarchical political system,basically the sort of government most commonly found in Islamic countries where democracy is a relatively new concept,as we are seeing across the Islamic world,might is often seen as right,the ones with the most arms and brutal ways succeed,this culture will eventually become more prevalent in this country,as it already has with terrorist attacks and things like the Islamic patrols we hear about in parts of London,unless we reduce the number of Muslims in this country by stopping anymore from emigrating here through arranged marriages etc and try to educate the one's already living to become more modern,forward thinking people instead of living in the Middle Ages,appeasing them,like appeasement of the Nazis is not and has not worked[/p][/quote]And how does taking away their rights to freedom to worship educate them them to be "more modern, forward thinking people"? Correct me if I am wrong but doesn't the Taliban remove the freedoms of individuals as a central policy? You are basically saying all followers of Islam are fascists. And the only way to prevent their fascist take over of Britain is to act in a fascist totalitarian way to prevent it. well done on the higher ground there.... StopwiththeBS
  • Score: -3

3:45pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Comment777 says...

Rivertin wrote:
I felt a bit threatened by the presence of these protestors, also does anyone know of a petition for people who want the mosque? I would think it a good idea to have more and better places for religious worship. (if people are denied these places then what other activities do they fall prey to? Drink , Drugs etc) surely centres that are in the main a good influence on people should be encouraged,
Where have you been for the last 20 years? Maybe living in a cave with all the other extremists who are unable to visit their local mosque.
[quote][p][bold]Rivertin[/bold] wrote: I felt a bit threatened by the presence of these protestors, also does anyone know of a petition for people who want the mosque? I would think it a good idea to have more and better places for religious worship. (if people are denied these places then what other activities do they fall prey to? Drink , Drugs etc) surely centres that are in the main a good influence on people should be encouraged,[/p][/quote]Where have you been for the last 20 years? Maybe living in a cave with all the other extremists who are unable to visit their local mosque. Comment777
  • Score: -9

3:47pm Mon 30 Jun 14

StopwiththeBS says...

And for the record 'facism' has been banded about so often now that it has actually lost all real meaning and just used by people to describe an ideology they don't approve of. I prefer to draw direct and exact comparisons with peoples viewpoints to back up my point. Yours has a number of very real and direct comparisons with National Socialism.

do I think what happens in Islamic states is right? No - not at all. But we arent in islamic states. The vast majority of people in Great Britain just want to get on with their lives in a country where we are all afforded the same freedoms. Their are, however, minorities - MOST of them being white - who want to fundamentally change the way our country works based purely on fear and hatred.

Since when has oppressing any community resulted in anything good?
And for the record 'facism' has been banded about so often now that it has actually lost all real meaning and just used by people to describe an ideology they don't approve of. I prefer to draw direct and exact comparisons with peoples viewpoints to back up my point. Yours has a number of very real and direct comparisons with National Socialism. do I think what happens in Islamic states is right? No - not at all. But we arent in islamic states. The vast majority of people in Great Britain just want to get on with their lives in a country where we are all afforded the same freedoms. Their are, however, minorities - MOST of them being white - who want to fundamentally change the way our country works based purely on fear and hatred. Since when has oppressing any community resulted in anything good? StopwiththeBS
  • Score: 2

3:49pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Comment777 says...

lazyn31 wrote:
All i see happening here is more money being spent in Bolton, it doesn't matter who it benefits, the more Bolton is put on the map the greater the chance of actually making it a decent town again. I always hear about how great Bolton used to be years ago when it had loads of jobs and THE WATER PLACE, but over the 20 or so years i have grown up here its just been getting worse, don't even get me started on the huge waste of money the new Market Place was, When i was a kid it was always packed with people at the small stalls and the other shops, i can't believe they got rid of the only things people went in for, now its just like every town/city in the UK so where is the attraction there? There are popular brand shops everywhere, but the Market Place used to have much more than just those shops, and now i only go in for the toilet.

Long story short, mosque = money spent in bolton, it can only be good. Be diverse for the future.
You are dreaming again, reality of situation calling lazyn31
[quote][p][bold]lazyn31[/bold] wrote: All i see happening here is more money being spent in Bolton, it doesn't matter who it benefits, the more Bolton is put on the map the greater the chance of actually making it a decent town again. I always hear about how great Bolton used to be years ago when it had loads of jobs and THE WATER PLACE, but over the 20 or so years i have grown up here its just been getting worse, don't even get me started on the huge waste of money the new Market Place was, When i was a kid it was always packed with people at the small stalls and the other shops, i can't believe they got rid of the only things people went in for, now its just like every town/city in the UK so where is the attraction there? There are popular brand shops everywhere, but the Market Place used to have much more than just those shops, and now i only go in for the toilet. Long story short, mosque = money spent in bolton, it can only be good. Be diverse for the future.[/p][/quote]You are dreaming again, reality of situation calling lazyn31 Comment777
  • Score: -10

3:58pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Comment777 says...

StopwiththeBS wrote:
And for the record 'facism' has been banded about so often now that it has actually lost all real meaning and just used by people to describe an ideology they don't approve of. I prefer to draw direct and exact comparisons with peoples viewpoints to back up my point. Yours has a number of very real and direct comparisons with National Socialism.

do I think what happens in Islamic states is right? No - not at all. But we arent in islamic states. The vast majority of people in Great Britain just want to get on with their lives in a country where we are all afforded the same freedoms. Their are, however, minorities - MOST of them being white - who want to fundamentally change the way our country works based purely on fear and hatred.

Since when has oppressing any community resulted in anything good?
I can quote many from the last one hundred years, but unfortunately political correctness and the threat of losing one's liberty preclude one from doing so. The problem with most oppression is that it fails in its intended purpose, that being to eliminate completely all members of an oppressed community thus allowing it to re-establish itself and once again become a problem.
[quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: And for the record 'facism' has been banded about so often now that it has actually lost all real meaning and just used by people to describe an ideology they don't approve of. I prefer to draw direct and exact comparisons with peoples viewpoints to back up my point. Yours has a number of very real and direct comparisons with National Socialism. do I think what happens in Islamic states is right? No - not at all. But we arent in islamic states. The vast majority of people in Great Britain just want to get on with their lives in a country where we are all afforded the same freedoms. Their are, however, minorities - MOST of them being white - who want to fundamentally change the way our country works based purely on fear and hatred. Since when has oppressing any community resulted in anything good?[/p][/quote]I can quote many from the last one hundred years, but unfortunately political correctness and the threat of losing one's liberty preclude one from doing so. The problem with most oppression is that it fails in its intended purpose, that being to eliminate completely all members of an oppressed community thus allowing it to re-establish itself and once again become a problem. Comment777
  • Score: -5

4:01pm Mon 30 Jun 14

StopwiththeBS says...

Comment777 wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
And for the record 'facism' has been banded about so often now that it has actually lost all real meaning and just used by people to describe an ideology they don't approve of. I prefer to draw direct and exact comparisons with peoples viewpoints to back up my point. Yours has a number of very real and direct comparisons with National Socialism.

do I think what happens in Islamic states is right? No - not at all. But we arent in islamic states. The vast majority of people in Great Britain just want to get on with their lives in a country where we are all afforded the same freedoms. Their are, however, minorities - MOST of them being white - who want to fundamentally change the way our country works based purely on fear and hatred.

Since when has oppressing any community resulted in anything good?
I can quote many from the last one hundred years, but unfortunately political correctness and the threat of losing one's liberty preclude one from doing so. The problem with most oppression is that it fails in its intended purpose, that being to eliminate completely all members of an oppressed community thus allowing it to re-establish itself and once again become a problem.
So to summarise - you are all for discriminating and oppressing specific groups of people as long as it results in a final solution?
[quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: And for the record 'facism' has been banded about so often now that it has actually lost all real meaning and just used by people to describe an ideology they don't approve of. I prefer to draw direct and exact comparisons with peoples viewpoints to back up my point. Yours has a number of very real and direct comparisons with National Socialism. do I think what happens in Islamic states is right? No - not at all. But we arent in islamic states. The vast majority of people in Great Britain just want to get on with their lives in a country where we are all afforded the same freedoms. Their are, however, minorities - MOST of them being white - who want to fundamentally change the way our country works based purely on fear and hatred. Since when has oppressing any community resulted in anything good?[/p][/quote]I can quote many from the last one hundred years, but unfortunately political correctness and the threat of losing one's liberty preclude one from doing so. The problem with most oppression is that it fails in its intended purpose, that being to eliminate completely all members of an oppressed community thus allowing it to re-establish itself and once again become a problem.[/p][/quote]So to summarise - you are all for discriminating and oppressing specific groups of people as long as it results in a final solution? StopwiththeBS
  • Score: 6

4:02pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Comment777 says...

StopwiththeBS wrote:
waynagain wrote:
When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.
This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray.

For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.
What is so wrong with staying at home to pray? You need a special building?With a separate entrance for women?

Now, let us imagine what would happen if a national supermarket implemented such requirements...
[quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waynagain[/bold] wrote: When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.[/p][/quote]This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray. For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.[/p][/quote]What is so wrong with staying at home to pray? You need a special building?With a separate entrance for women? Now, let us imagine what would happen if a national supermarket implemented such requirements... Comment777
  • Score: -4

4:05pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Comment777 says...

StopwiththeBS wrote:
Want facts, here - have facts.

1) This protest isn't about stopping a mosque, it's about spreading religious hatred and attempting to tear communities apart. The valid concerns of residents have been undermined by this group who are clearly more focused on hate filled rhetoric. Just vist the Stop the Mosque facebook page or watch some of the videos of this event and you'll see that this is nothing to do with mosque building and EVERYTHING to do with a misguided view of Islam.

2) Bryn Morgan - the Protest organiser and leader of the facebook page - Is a BNP Activist and has links with the EDL and National Front. Many of the 'supporters' who came out also have links to EDL, National Front and Britain First. All extreme right-wing organisations who use misrepresentation of 'facts' to incite hatred and violence. Don't believe he is BNP? Look here https://www.google.c

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3) "But it was non-political" - Just because there are no BNP banners etc doesn't make it any less political. If Hitler was there saying "lets stop the mosque" would you stand behind him just because he didn't have any swastikas showing? The whole thing is a case of far-right extremists using usually quite sensible people to spread aggressive messages against a specific community.

4) It is illegal for the council to prohibit the building of any building purely because 'its Muslim'. The fact that the protest is predominately anti-Muslim belittles all the valid arguments put forward by concerned residents.

5) Many of the petition signitures have been coerced into signing through the use of falsified and misrepresented information. The campaign have been approaching people saying "The council have given £1.1million pounds to fund mosque building - sign if you disagree with this". Actually the council have provided £1.1million over 7 years to the Bolton Council of Mosques to fund community projects - things such as interfaith cricket tournaments, domestic abuse education etc. NONE of it has gone towards mosque buildings and organisations of all faiths and none have been granted with comparable amounts over the same time period.

The fact is the whole campaign led by Bryn and his cronies has purely been an attempt at splitting the Bolton community using hate and lies. And a lot of people are letting him.

Congratulations on proving that none of you can think for yourselves.
So you will be socialising in Astley Bridge tonight will you? You should ask some of your tolerant, inclusive community friends down to a local viewing area and watch the Germany vs Algeria game.
[quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: Want facts, here - have facts. 1) This protest isn't about stopping a mosque, it's about spreading religious hatred and attempting to tear communities apart. The valid concerns of residents have been undermined by this group who are clearly more focused on hate filled rhetoric. Just vist the Stop the Mosque facebook page or watch some of the videos of this event and you'll see that this is nothing to do with mosque building and EVERYTHING to do with a misguided view of Islam. 2) Bryn Morgan - the Protest organiser and leader of the facebook page - Is a BNP Activist and has links with the EDL and National Front. Many of the 'supporters' who came out also have links to EDL, National Front and Britain First. All extreme right-wing organisations who use misrepresentation of 'facts' to incite hatred and violence. Don't believe he is BNP? Look here https://www.google.c o.uk/url?sa=t&rc t=j& q=&esrc=s&so urce=web &cd=1&cad=rj a&uact=8 &ved=0CCIQtwIwAA &url =http%3A%2F%2Fwww.yo utube.com%2Fwatch%3F v%3DRSiiN0WLyFc& ei=Q DWxU-zpBIm5O_KxgfAN& amp; usg=AFQjCNHyXIfHkr1q WINNNQ9sZwC9eFsMcw&a mp;s ig2=EE7WUVwL4rUAmzmU RPr7dw&bvm=bv.69 8378 84,d.ZWU 3) "But it was non-political" - Just because there are no BNP banners etc doesn't make it any less political. If Hitler was there saying "lets stop the mosque" would you stand behind him just because he didn't have any swastikas showing? The whole thing is a case of far-right extremists using usually quite sensible people to spread aggressive messages against a specific community. 4) It is illegal for the council to prohibit the building of any building purely because 'its Muslim'. The fact that the protest is predominately anti-Muslim belittles all the valid arguments put forward by concerned residents. 5) Many of the petition signitures have been coerced into signing through the use of falsified and misrepresented information. The campaign have been approaching people saying "The council have given £1.1million pounds to fund mosque building - sign if you disagree with this". Actually the council have provided £1.1million over 7 years to the Bolton Council of Mosques to fund community projects - things such as interfaith cricket tournaments, domestic abuse education etc. NONE of it has gone towards mosque buildings and organisations of all faiths and none have been granted with comparable amounts over the same time period. The fact is the whole campaign led by Bryn and his cronies has purely been an attempt at splitting the Bolton community using hate and lies. And a lot of people are letting him. Congratulations on proving that none of you can think for yourselves.[/p][/quote]So you will be socialising in Astley Bridge tonight will you? You should ask some of your tolerant, inclusive community friends down to a local viewing area and watch the Germany vs Algeria game. Comment777
  • Score: -5

4:15pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Comment777 says...

SleepingThunder wrote:
Part of Sir peter fahy Joint Declaration Against #Hate #Crime.
signed at weekend. We have to learn to be more accommodating :(

Free speech and love of liberty has always been a key feature of the history and culture of Greater Manchester but it is important that religions or communities are not stereotyped on the basis of the activities of extremists and that everyone strives for greater understanding between different groups so the divisions seen in other parts of the world are never a feature of life here."
I like groups. I feel safe when I know that the people around me have similar values, ethics, morals and traditions. So I say keep groups in the hope that I am never influenced by others who have diametrically opposite standards
[quote][p][bold]SleepingThunder[/bold] wrote: Part of Sir peter fahy Joint Declaration Against #Hate #Crime. signed at weekend. We have to learn to be more accommodating :( Free speech and love of liberty has always been a key feature of the history and culture of Greater Manchester but it is important that religions or communities are not stereotyped on the basis of the activities of extremists and that everyone strives for greater understanding between different groups so the divisions seen in other parts of the world are never a feature of life here."[/p][/quote]I like groups. I feel safe when I know that the people around me have similar values, ethics, morals and traditions. So I say keep groups in the hope that I am never influenced by others who have diametrically opposite standards Comment777
  • Score: -2

4:17pm Mon 30 Jun 14

StopwiththeBS says...

Comment777 wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
waynagain wrote:
When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.
This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray.

For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.
What is so wrong with staying at home to pray? You need a special building?With a separate entrance for women?

Now, let us imagine what would happen if a national supermarket implemented such requirements...
OH so I guess you are all for stopping the Church on Chorley New road from bing built too then?

Again. this country is built on freedom. FREEDOM. that's why this country is great. you cant protect those freedoms by taking them away from everyone you don't like because "they're all really extreme in Saudi Arabia and it might spread here one day"

You talk about educating muslims. Maybe you should stop advocating the destruction of their faith and they'll start actually listening to what you have to say
[quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waynagain[/bold] wrote: When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.[/p][/quote]This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray. For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.[/p][/quote]What is so wrong with staying at home to pray? You need a special building?With a separate entrance for women? Now, let us imagine what would happen if a national supermarket implemented such requirements...[/p][/quote]OH so I guess you are all for stopping the Church on Chorley New road from bing built too then? Again. this country is built on freedom. FREEDOM. that's why this country is great. you cant protect those freedoms by taking them away from everyone you don't like because "they're all really extreme in Saudi Arabia and it might spread here one day" You talk about educating muslims. Maybe you should stop advocating the destruction of their faith and they'll start actually listening to what you have to say StopwiththeBS
  • Score: 6

4:19pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Comment777 says...

StopwiththeBS wrote:
Jerry cruncher wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
waynagain wrote:
When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.
This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray.

For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.
The stupidity of those appeasing the most dangerous,barbaric,f


ascistic ideology on the planet baffles me,why would any right minded,logical person,think encouraging an ideology that is currently engaged in such barbarous activities around the world is a good idea? If we have so much trouble from them now when they make up 4.8% of the population just think of the problems we will face in the future when they make up 10,20% of the population? If we don't act now the future of this country is going to be extremely bleak.
You know that the 4.8% of Muslims don't actually want to live in an islamic state don't you? In fact most of them were either born here and fully identify with being British or fled islamic countries as a result of the lack of progressive thinking within them.

Jesus - stop with the fear mongering. Are you seriously advocating a Nazi-ish eradication of an entire community?
Are you seriously advocating a Nazi-ish eradication of an entire community?
Nazi-esque is probably more apt...
[quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waynagain[/bold] wrote: When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.[/p][/quote]This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray. For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.[/p][/quote]The stupidity of those appeasing the most dangerous,barbaric,f ascistic ideology on the planet baffles me,why would any right minded,logical person,think encouraging an ideology that is currently engaged in such barbarous activities around the world is a good idea? If we have so much trouble from them now when they make up 4.8% of the population just think of the problems we will face in the future when they make up 10,20% of the population? If we don't act now the future of this country is going to be extremely bleak.[/p][/quote]You know that the 4.8% of Muslims don't actually want to live in an islamic state don't you? In fact most of them were either born here and fully identify with being British or fled islamic countries as a result of the lack of progressive thinking within them. Jesus - stop with the fear mongering. Are you seriously advocating a Nazi-ish eradication of an entire community?[/p][/quote]Are you seriously advocating a Nazi-ish eradication of an entire community? Nazi-esque is probably more apt... Comment777
  • Score: -2

4:24pm Mon 30 Jun 14

StopwiththeBS says...

Comment777 wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
Jerry cruncher wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
waynagain wrote:
When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.
This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray.

For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.
The stupidity of those appeasing the most dangerous,barbaric,f



ascistic ideology on the planet baffles me,why would any right minded,logical person,think encouraging an ideology that is currently engaged in such barbarous activities around the world is a good idea? If we have so much trouble from them now when they make up 4.8% of the population just think of the problems we will face in the future when they make up 10,20% of the population? If we don't act now the future of this country is going to be extremely bleak.
You know that the 4.8% of Muslims don't actually want to live in an islamic state don't you? In fact most of them were either born here and fully identify with being British or fled islamic countries as a result of the lack of progressive thinking within them.

Jesus - stop with the fear mongering. Are you seriously advocating a Nazi-ish eradication of an entire community?
Are you seriously advocating a Nazi-ish eradication of an entire community?
Nazi-esque is probably more apt...
Potayto potarto
[quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waynagain[/bold] wrote: When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.[/p][/quote]This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray. For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.[/p][/quote]The stupidity of those appeasing the most dangerous,barbaric,f ascistic ideology on the planet baffles me,why would any right minded,logical person,think encouraging an ideology that is currently engaged in such barbarous activities around the world is a good idea? If we have so much trouble from them now when they make up 4.8% of the population just think of the problems we will face in the future when they make up 10,20% of the population? If we don't act now the future of this country is going to be extremely bleak.[/p][/quote]You know that the 4.8% of Muslims don't actually want to live in an islamic state don't you? In fact most of them were either born here and fully identify with being British or fled islamic countries as a result of the lack of progressive thinking within them. Jesus - stop with the fear mongering. Are you seriously advocating a Nazi-ish eradication of an entire community?[/p][/quote]Are you seriously advocating a Nazi-ish eradication of an entire community? Nazi-esque is probably more apt...[/p][/quote]Potayto potarto StopwiththeBS
  • Score: 5

4:30pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Comment777 says...

StopwiththeBS wrote:
Julian Thorpe wrote:
adatherton wrote:
Hey Julian, what's this about Bolton Council giving £1.1m to Bolton Council of Mosques over 9 years to 2013. The website whatdotheyknow.com published it first (link below) and it seems to be a central plank of this Facebook campaign. Yet, the FoI reply doesn't look right. Can you look into it? (Obviously it's a lot, for a small minority of ratepayers)

https://www.whatdoth



eyknow.com/request/g



rant_and_funding
Yes, we are looking into this.
And i put money on finding that none of it was used to fund mosque building - instead spent on community projects in exactly the say way similar amounts of funding have been spent by organisations of other faiths and no faiths. Its just a figure Bryn has sunk his teeth into to try and spread hate.

Whilst you are researching it Julian can you also look into how using falsified and misleading information to gain signatures on a petition is viewed in the eyes of the law?
The conservative and labour governments are in trouble if gaining signature/votes by misleading and falsifying information is found to be illegal
[quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Julian Thorpe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adatherton[/bold] wrote: Hey Julian, what's this about Bolton Council giving £1.1m to Bolton Council of Mosques over 9 years to 2013. The website whatdotheyknow.com published it first (link below) and it seems to be a central plank of this Facebook campaign. Yet, the FoI reply doesn't look right. Can you look into it? (Obviously it's a lot, for a small minority of ratepayers) https://www.whatdoth eyknow.com/request/g rant_and_funding[/p][/quote]Yes, we are looking into this.[/p][/quote]And i put money on finding that none of it was used to fund mosque building - instead spent on community projects in exactly the say way similar amounts of funding have been spent by organisations of other faiths and no faiths. Its just a figure Bryn has sunk his teeth into to try and spread hate. Whilst you are researching it Julian can you also look into how using falsified and misleading information to gain signatures on a petition is viewed in the eyes of the law?[/p][/quote]The conservative and labour governments are in trouble if gaining signature/votes by misleading and falsifying information is found to be illegal Comment777
  • Score: -4

4:39pm Mon 30 Jun 14

StopwiththeBS says...

Comment777 wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
Julian Thorpe wrote:
adatherton wrote:
Hey Julian, what's this about Bolton Council giving £1.1m to Bolton Council of Mosques over 9 years to 2013. The website whatdotheyknow.com published it first (link below) and it seems to be a central plank of this Facebook campaign. Yet, the FoI reply doesn't look right. Can you look into it? (Obviously it's a lot, for a small minority of ratepayers)

https://www.whatdoth




eyknow.com/request/g




rant_and_funding
Yes, we are looking into this.
And i put money on finding that none of it was used to fund mosque building - instead spent on community projects in exactly the say way similar amounts of funding have been spent by organisations of other faiths and no faiths. Its just a figure Bryn has sunk his teeth into to try and spread hate.

Whilst you are researching it Julian can you also look into how using falsified and misleading information to gain signatures on a petition is viewed in the eyes of the law?
The conservative and labour governments are in trouble if gaining signature/votes by misleading and falsifying information is found to be illegal
wow - something we can all agree on....
[quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Julian Thorpe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adatherton[/bold] wrote: Hey Julian, what's this about Bolton Council giving £1.1m to Bolton Council of Mosques over 9 years to 2013. The website whatdotheyknow.com published it first (link below) and it seems to be a central plank of this Facebook campaign. Yet, the FoI reply doesn't look right. Can you look into it? (Obviously it's a lot, for a small minority of ratepayers) https://www.whatdoth eyknow.com/request/g rant_and_funding[/p][/quote]Yes, we are looking into this.[/p][/quote]And i put money on finding that none of it was used to fund mosque building - instead spent on community projects in exactly the say way similar amounts of funding have been spent by organisations of other faiths and no faiths. Its just a figure Bryn has sunk his teeth into to try and spread hate. Whilst you are researching it Julian can you also look into how using falsified and misleading information to gain signatures on a petition is viewed in the eyes of the law?[/p][/quote]The conservative and labour governments are in trouble if gaining signature/votes by misleading and falsifying information is found to be illegal[/p][/quote]wow - something we can all agree on.... StopwiththeBS
  • Score: 28

4:46pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Reality50 says...

1000 worshippers at this proposed super mosque with only 80 car parking spaces? That area of Blackburn Road is narrow and already has traffic issues. Bear in mind the busiest time at most mosques is 4-6pm and rush hour will be a nightmare for drivers heading to Astley Bridge,Egerton,Darwe
n and beyond. Add to the fact the A666 already has a high accident rate. There is no way this mosque application should be accepted and i urge local planners and councillors to reject it. Also bear in mind there is a very large mosque 159 yards away on Halliwell Road and 7 other mosques within a mile of this super mosque plan and frankly there is no need for this. Another serious concern is the 19 islamic classrooms as part of this plan. This is separation not integration and who will be monitoring what type of Islam will be taught? Mosques and Islamic centres seem to been known for radicalising some young Muslim men and the police and council won't monitor what is being taught and there is no independent authority to verify what type of Islam will be being put into young people's heads. This super mosque application is wrong on so many levels and i just hope the council see sense and learn to say no on Islamic applications as in the past they have been seen as a "Yes" council.
1000 worshippers at this proposed super mosque with only 80 car parking spaces? That area of Blackburn Road is narrow and already has traffic issues. Bear in mind the busiest time at most mosques is 4-6pm and rush hour will be a nightmare for drivers heading to Astley Bridge,Egerton,Darwe n and beyond. Add to the fact the A666 already has a high accident rate. There is no way this mosque application should be accepted and i urge local planners and councillors to reject it. Also bear in mind there is a very large mosque 159 yards away on Halliwell Road and 7 other mosques within a mile of this super mosque plan and frankly there is no need for this. Another serious concern is the 19 islamic classrooms as part of this plan. This is separation not integration and who will be monitoring what type of Islam will be taught? Mosques and Islamic centres seem to been known for radicalising some young Muslim men and the police and council won't monitor what is being taught and there is no independent authority to verify what type of Islam will be being put into young people's heads. This super mosque application is wrong on so many levels and i just hope the council see sense and learn to say no on Islamic applications as in the past they have been seen as a "Yes" council. Reality50
  • Score: 12

5:03pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Reality50 says...

From what i am led to believe 5-6,000 people have signed a petition against this mosque application and the Facebook page has 7,000 people. Weather 100 visibly turned up at a protest isn't relevant as it is the number of signatures on a petition that is. From what i am lead to believe,even some Muslims-including some local Mosques-OPPOSE this super mosque too. There seems very little support for this mosque,very little from the general Muslim community and virtually none from the non Muslim community, The only support seems to come from the mosque designated architect,David Cox,who no doubt is sweating on a hefty pay cheque- and the mosque applicant. I do think the "Blackburn" comment in the story is fair. I regularly go to Blackburn and it really has gone to the dogs and the sheer amount of mosques has made it a very divided town. Bolton largely in the past has avoided the racial problems that Blackburn,Burnley,Ol
dham etc has suffered and that has been because the town didn't let the forces of Islam dominate the town and people accepted each others differences and culture but many see this super mosque issue as a tipping point and rightly so. Halliwell and the lower part of Astley Bridge have changed massively the past 20 years and effectively both are now ghetto's.
From what i am led to believe 5-6,000 people have signed a petition against this mosque application and the Facebook page has 7,000 people. Weather 100 visibly turned up at a protest isn't relevant as it is the number of signatures on a petition that is. From what i am lead to believe,even some Muslims-including some local Mosques-OPPOSE this super mosque too. There seems very little support for this mosque,very little from the general Muslim community and virtually none from the non Muslim community, The only support seems to come from the mosque designated architect,David Cox,who no doubt is sweating on a hefty pay cheque- and the mosque applicant. I do think the "Blackburn" comment in the story is fair. I regularly go to Blackburn and it really has gone to the dogs and the sheer amount of mosques has made it a very divided town. Bolton largely in the past has avoided the racial problems that Blackburn,Burnley,Ol dham etc has suffered and that has been because the town didn't let the forces of Islam dominate the town and people accepted each others differences and culture but many see this super mosque issue as a tipping point and rightly so. Halliwell and the lower part of Astley Bridge have changed massively the past 20 years and effectively both are now ghetto's. Reality50
  • Score: 13

5:10pm Mon 30 Jun 14

StopwiththeBS says...

Reality50 wrote:
1000 worshippers at this proposed super mosque with only 80 car parking spaces? That area of Blackburn Road is narrow and already has traffic issues. Bear in mind the busiest time at most mosques is 4-6pm and rush hour will be a nightmare for drivers heading to Astley Bridge,Egerton,Darwe

n and beyond. Add to the fact the A666 already has a high accident rate. There is no way this mosque application should be accepted and i urge local planners and councillors to reject it. Also bear in mind there is a very large mosque 159 yards away on Halliwell Road and 7 other mosques within a mile of this super mosque plan and frankly there is no need for this. Another serious concern is the 19 islamic classrooms as part of this plan. This is separation not integration and who will be monitoring what type of Islam will be taught? Mosques and Islamic centres seem to been known for radicalising some young Muslim men and the police and council won't monitor what is being taught and there is no independent authority to verify what type of Islam will be being put into young people's heads. This super mosque application is wrong on so many levels and i just hope the council see sense and learn to say no on Islamic applications as in the past they have been seen as a "Yes" council.
1) you presume people will be travelling by car to attend. Actually the more likely scenario is that the number of cars stays the same but traffic is alleviated as a result of the 80 spaces.

2) Actually it is far more likely that a large "super mosque" will be far LESS likely to result in the radicalisation of Muslims. The small number of radiclaised islamic groups opperating in the UK are known to the authorities as a direct result of the Muslims attending those mosques alerting the authorities. Now - its much more difficult for radicals to advocate extremism in a community that is 1000 people strong than it is in a small living room that fits 20 people.

3) There are only two things that the council CAN reject the plan for. Neither of them have anything to do with it being an islamic building. This leaves the traffic and the design. The design has already been met with approval leaving only the traffic issue. And this wont result in a rejection of the plan but instead an acceptance in principal providing adequate measures are put in place to rectify the issue.

4) say 200 catholics live in an area with no catholic church - would you say those 200 have to go elsewhere to worship or would you let them build a catholic church? Islam has a variety of denominations also. Islam isn't a 'one size fits all' religion. Just like Christianity isn't.

5) say 200 Methodists live in an area with two Methodist churches. One church has room for 70 parishioners, one has room for 30. The church with room for 30 owns some land next to the church however and puts a plan forward to knock down the existing church and replace it with a new one that can accommodate 150. Do you protest against it because there is already a church that accommodates 70 round the corner despite the fact that actually there are a further 100 people unable to visit either of them?
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: 1000 worshippers at this proposed super mosque with only 80 car parking spaces? That area of Blackburn Road is narrow and already has traffic issues. Bear in mind the busiest time at most mosques is 4-6pm and rush hour will be a nightmare for drivers heading to Astley Bridge,Egerton,Darwe n and beyond. Add to the fact the A666 already has a high accident rate. There is no way this mosque application should be accepted and i urge local planners and councillors to reject it. Also bear in mind there is a very large mosque 159 yards away on Halliwell Road and 7 other mosques within a mile of this super mosque plan and frankly there is no need for this. Another serious concern is the 19 islamic classrooms as part of this plan. This is separation not integration and who will be monitoring what type of Islam will be taught? Mosques and Islamic centres seem to been known for radicalising some young Muslim men and the police and council won't monitor what is being taught and there is no independent authority to verify what type of Islam will be being put into young people's heads. This super mosque application is wrong on so many levels and i just hope the council see sense and learn to say no on Islamic applications as in the past they have been seen as a "Yes" council.[/p][/quote]1) you presume people will be travelling by car to attend. Actually the more likely scenario is that the number of cars stays the same but traffic is alleviated as a result of the 80 spaces. 2) Actually it is far more likely that a large "super mosque" will be far LESS likely to result in the radicalisation of Muslims. The small number of radiclaised islamic groups opperating in the UK are known to the authorities as a direct result of the Muslims attending those mosques alerting the authorities. Now - its much more difficult for radicals to advocate extremism in a community that is 1000 people strong than it is in a small living room that fits 20 people. 3) There are only two things that the council CAN reject the plan for. Neither of them have anything to do with it being an islamic building. This leaves the traffic and the design. The design has already been met with approval leaving only the traffic issue. And this wont result in a rejection of the plan but instead an acceptance in principal providing adequate measures are put in place to rectify the issue. 4) say 200 catholics live in an area with no catholic church - would you say those 200 have to go elsewhere to worship or would you let them build a catholic church? Islam has a variety of denominations also. Islam isn't a 'one size fits all' religion. Just like Christianity isn't. 5) say 200 Methodists live in an area with two Methodist churches. One church has room for 70 parishioners, one has room for 30. The church with room for 30 owns some land next to the church however and puts a plan forward to knock down the existing church and replace it with a new one that can accommodate 150. Do you protest against it because there is already a church that accommodates 70 round the corner despite the fact that actually there are a further 100 people unable to visit either of them? StopwiththeBS
  • Score: 3

5:11pm Mon 30 Jun 14

artistpaint says...

No more mosks whos on the planning...its a joke.a crap joke
No more mosks whos on the planning...its a joke.a crap joke artistpaint
  • Score: -5

5:17pm Mon 30 Jun 14

wsw69 says...

artistpaint wrote:
No more mosks whos on the planning...its a joke.a crap joke
I think you'll find it is spelt mosques
[quote][p][bold]artistpaint[/bold] wrote: No more mosks whos on the planning...its a joke.a crap joke[/p][/quote]I think you'll find it is spelt mosques wsw69
  • Score: 9

5:18pm Mon 30 Jun 14

StopwiththeBS says...

wsw69 wrote:
artistpaint wrote:
No more mosks whos on the planning...its a joke.a crap joke
I think you'll find it is spelt mosques
Do you want to pick up on the apostrophe or shall i?
[quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]artistpaint[/bold] wrote: No more mosks whos on the planning...its a joke.a crap joke[/p][/quote]I think you'll find it is spelt mosques[/p][/quote]Do you want to pick up on the apostrophe or shall i? StopwiththeBS
  • Score: 5

5:19pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Rivertin says...

I think I must have caused some confusion in previous posts in how I worded them, some of my points were.

1) Are there any groups out there who are getting a petition together for those people who wish to have extra mosques/or certain mosques improved and extended?

2) Just because I feel threatened by a group of people does not mean they have intentions of threatening me.
I think I must have caused some confusion in previous posts in how I worded them, some of my points were. 1) Are there any groups out there who are getting a petition together for those people who wish to have extra mosques/or certain mosques improved and extended? 2) Just because I feel threatened by a group of people does not mean they have intentions of threatening me. Rivertin
  • Score: 5

5:20pm Mon 30 Jun 14

artistpaint says...

Well done to all the protesters.
Well done to all the protesters. artistpaint
  • Score: -6

5:30pm Mon 30 Jun 14

wsw69 says...

StopwiththeBS wrote:
wsw69 wrote:
artistpaint wrote:
No more mosks whos on the planning...its a joke.a crap joke
I think you'll find it is spelt mosques
Do you want to pick up on the apostrophe or shall i?
lol

Ooooops, do you want me to pick up on the small 'i' or shall I? ;-) :-)
[quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]artistpaint[/bold] wrote: No more mosks whos on the planning...its a joke.a crap joke[/p][/quote]I think you'll find it is spelt mosques[/p][/quote]Do you want to pick up on the apostrophe or shall i?[/p][/quote]lol Ooooops, do you want me to pick up on the small 'i' or shall I? ;-) :-) wsw69
  • Score: 6

5:34pm Mon 30 Jun 14

StopwiththeBS says...

wsw69 wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
wsw69 wrote:
artistpaint wrote:
No more mosks whos on the planning...its a joke.a crap joke
I think you'll find it is spelt mosques
Do you want to pick up on the apostrophe or shall i?
lol

Ooooops, do you want me to pick up on the small 'i' or shall I? ;-) :-)
You saw through my irony. Congrats. 7 points
[quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]artistpaint[/bold] wrote: No more mosks whos on the planning...its a joke.a crap joke[/p][/quote]I think you'll find it is spelt mosques[/p][/quote]Do you want to pick up on the apostrophe or shall i?[/p][/quote]lol Ooooops, do you want me to pick up on the small 'i' or shall I? ;-) :-)[/p][/quote]You saw through my irony. Congrats. 7 points StopwiththeBS
  • Score: 3

5:38pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Reality50 says...

StopwiththeBS wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
1000 worshippers at this proposed super mosque with only 80 car parking spaces? That area of Blackburn Road is narrow and already has traffic issues. Bear in mind the busiest time at most mosques is 4-6pm and rush hour will be a nightmare for drivers heading to Astley Bridge,Egerton,Darwe


n and beyond. Add to the fact the A666 already has a high accident rate. There is no way this mosque application should be accepted and i urge local planners and councillors to reject it. Also bear in mind there is a very large mosque 159 yards away on Halliwell Road and 7 other mosques within a mile of this super mosque plan and frankly there is no need for this. Another serious concern is the 19 islamic classrooms as part of this plan. This is separation not integration and who will be monitoring what type of Islam will be taught? Mosques and Islamic centres seem to been known for radicalising some young Muslim men and the police and council won't monitor what is being taught and there is no independent authority to verify what type of Islam will be being put into young people's heads. This super mosque application is wrong on so many levels and i just hope the council see sense and learn to say no on Islamic applications as in the past they have been seen as a "Yes" council.
1) you presume people will be travelling by car to attend. Actually the more likely scenario is that the number of cars stays the same but traffic is alleviated as a result of the 80 spaces.

2) Actually it is far more likely that a large "super mosque" will be far LESS likely to result in the radicalisation of Muslims. The small number of radiclaised islamic groups opperating in the UK are known to the authorities as a direct result of the Muslims attending those mosques alerting the authorities. Now - its much more difficult for radicals to advocate extremism in a community that is 1000 people strong than it is in a small living room that fits 20 people.

3) There are only two things that the council CAN reject the plan for. Neither of them have anything to do with it being an islamic building. This leaves the traffic and the design. The design has already been met with approval leaving only the traffic issue. And this wont result in a rejection of the plan but instead an acceptance in principal providing adequate measures are put in place to rectify the issue.

4) say 200 catholics live in an area with no catholic church - would you say those 200 have to go elsewhere to worship or would you let them build a catholic church? Islam has a variety of denominations also. Islam isn't a 'one size fits all' religion. Just like Christianity isn't.

5) say 200 Methodists live in an area with two Methodist churches. One church has room for 70 parishioners, one has room for 30. The church with room for 30 owns some land next to the church however and puts a plan forward to knock down the existing church and replace it with a new one that can accommodate 150. Do you protest against it because there is already a church that accommodates 70 round the corner despite the fact that actually there are a further 100 people unable to visit either of them?
Even if 920 of them arrive on foot,most will still have to cross the road,slowing traffic down and potentially causing accidents at busy times. That area is narrow and cars already hog the pavements as it is now. The area has lots of mosques and all can cater for all sects of Islam whether you are sunni,shia,Ahmadiya or whatever. Your argument is weak.
[quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: 1000 worshippers at this proposed super mosque with only 80 car parking spaces? That area of Blackburn Road is narrow and already has traffic issues. Bear in mind the busiest time at most mosques is 4-6pm and rush hour will be a nightmare for drivers heading to Astley Bridge,Egerton,Darwe n and beyond. Add to the fact the A666 already has a high accident rate. There is no way this mosque application should be accepted and i urge local planners and councillors to reject it. Also bear in mind there is a very large mosque 159 yards away on Halliwell Road and 7 other mosques within a mile of this super mosque plan and frankly there is no need for this. Another serious concern is the 19 islamic classrooms as part of this plan. This is separation not integration and who will be monitoring what type of Islam will be taught? Mosques and Islamic centres seem to been known for radicalising some young Muslim men and the police and council won't monitor what is being taught and there is no independent authority to verify what type of Islam will be being put into young people's heads. This super mosque application is wrong on so many levels and i just hope the council see sense and learn to say no on Islamic applications as in the past they have been seen as a "Yes" council.[/p][/quote]1) you presume people will be travelling by car to attend. Actually the more likely scenario is that the number of cars stays the same but traffic is alleviated as a result of the 80 spaces. 2) Actually it is far more likely that a large "super mosque" will be far LESS likely to result in the radicalisation of Muslims. The small number of radiclaised islamic groups opperating in the UK are known to the authorities as a direct result of the Muslims attending those mosques alerting the authorities. Now - its much more difficult for radicals to advocate extremism in a community that is 1000 people strong than it is in a small living room that fits 20 people. 3) There are only two things that the council CAN reject the plan for. Neither of them have anything to do with it being an islamic building. This leaves the traffic and the design. The design has already been met with approval leaving only the traffic issue. And this wont result in a rejection of the plan but instead an acceptance in principal providing adequate measures are put in place to rectify the issue. 4) say 200 catholics live in an area with no catholic church - would you say those 200 have to go elsewhere to worship or would you let them build a catholic church? Islam has a variety of denominations also. Islam isn't a 'one size fits all' religion. Just like Christianity isn't. 5) say 200 Methodists live in an area with two Methodist churches. One church has room for 70 parishioners, one has room for 30. The church with room for 30 owns some land next to the church however and puts a plan forward to knock down the existing church and replace it with a new one that can accommodate 150. Do you protest against it because there is already a church that accommodates 70 round the corner despite the fact that actually there are a further 100 people unable to visit either of them?[/p][/quote]Even if 920 of them arrive on foot,most will still have to cross the road,slowing traffic down and potentially causing accidents at busy times. That area is narrow and cars already hog the pavements as it is now. The area has lots of mosques and all can cater for all sects of Islam whether you are sunni,shia,Ahmadiya or whatever. Your argument is weak. Reality50
  • Score: 1

5:55pm Mon 30 Jun 14

StopwiththeBS says...

For all the visitors from the facebook page asking how "the BNP were dragged into this". Quite simple, the guy in charge of the protest is here.

https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=bc6moY45
q3c

and here

https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=RSiiN0WL
yFc

and here

http://www.bnp.org.u
k/news/national/whit
es-threatened-muslim
s-march

need any more evidence you're all pawns in a big game of "get Bryn Morgan Britain First backing"?
For all the visitors from the facebook page asking how "the BNP were dragged into this". Quite simple, the guy in charge of the protest is here. https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=bc6moY45 q3c and here https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=RSiiN0WL yFc and here http://www.bnp.org.u k/news/national/whit es-threatened-muslim s-march need any more evidence you're all pawns in a big game of "get Bryn Morgan Britain First backing"? StopwiththeBS
  • Score: 4

6:26pm Mon 30 Jun 14

NoNeedToShout says...

Are you losing the debate? Shout Racist and you silence the opposition which ends the argument allowing you to claim victory.
Are you losing the debate? Shout Racist and you silence the opposition which ends the argument allowing you to claim victory. NoNeedToShout
  • Score: 5

6:41pm Mon 30 Jun 14

ChristPMossie says...

Id be more worried about someone holding themselves up as organiser of the protest collecting names and addresses when they have had their companies shut down for defrauding clients

http://www.warringto
nguardian.co.uk/news
/1405117.less_than_f
ragrant_end_for_firs
t_for_fragrance/
Id be more worried about someone holding themselves up as organiser of the protest collecting names and addresses when they have had their companies shut down for defrauding clients http://www.warringto nguardian.co.uk/news /1405117.less_than_f ragrant_end_for_firs t_for_fragrance/ ChristPMossie
  • Score: 7

6:44pm Mon 30 Jun 14

ChristPMossie says...

https://www.facebook
.com/pages/Exposing-
Bolton-Manchester-Ra
cists/14665761935870
54?


Thanks to this page for exposing it , mind you it was in the press so no real expose there , its listed publicly anyway,
https://www.facebook .com/pages/Exposing- Bolton-Manchester-Ra cists/14665761935870 54? Thanks to this page for exposing it , mind you it was in the press so no real expose there , its listed publicly anyway, ChristPMossie
  • Score: 3

6:50pm Mon 30 Jun 14

StopwiththeBS says...

ChristPMossie wrote:
https://www.facebook

.com/pages/Exposing-

Bolton-Manchester-Ra

cists/14665761935870

54?


Thanks to this page for exposing it , mind you it was in the press so no real expose there , its listed publicly anyway,
People don't seriously believe that they're signing a petition do they? I've seen it. I've written on it -( admittedly I wrote something offensive). It doesn't follow necessary petition protocol to be accepted as a petition. Bryn knows this. It isn't ever going to be considered by the council. It will, however, form the start of Bryn's new mailing list when he runs for MP next year though. And he will use the fact it was rejected (due to its lack of attention to essential guidelines for submitting petitions) as a launchpad.

Luckily the silent majority aren't so easily manipulated.
[quote][p][bold]ChristPMossie[/bold] wrote: https://www.facebook .com/pages/Exposing- Bolton-Manchester-Ra cists/14665761935870 54? Thanks to this page for exposing it , mind you it was in the press so no real expose there , its listed publicly anyway,[/p][/quote]People don't seriously believe that they're signing a petition do they? I've seen it. I've written on it -( admittedly I wrote something offensive). It doesn't follow necessary petition protocol to be accepted as a petition. Bryn knows this. It isn't ever going to be considered by the council. It will, however, form the start of Bryn's new mailing list when he runs for MP next year though. And he will use the fact it was rejected (due to its lack of attention to essential guidelines for submitting petitions) as a launchpad. Luckily the silent majority aren't so easily manipulated. StopwiththeBS
  • Score: 4

7:39pm Mon 30 Jun 14

StopwiththeBS says...

Bob Shaftoe wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
Bob Shaftoe wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
wsw69 wrote:
Now then, where have the extra photos come from?
A camera? I'm guessing a camera...
Looks like TROll/BWFC71/NIGELLA has re-invented himself yet again into this tool.
Nope - try again
Yep. The resident europhile troll of the BN resurrects himself after getting his &rse kicked yet again this time by UKIP in the Elections. Your writing style is so transparent and obvious.
I'll give you a week before you're banned again.
Loser.
Apparently you're so clever, but also so incredibly wrong at the same time.

I'm pretty sure getting two seats in local council election doesn't really count as a 'win' for UKIP.....
[quote][p][bold]Bob Shaftoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob Shaftoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: Now then, where have the extra photos come from?[/p][/quote]A camera? I'm guessing a camera...[/p][/quote]Looks like TROll/BWFC71/NIGELLA has re-invented himself yet again into this tool.[/p][/quote]Nope - try again[/p][/quote]Yep. The resident europhile troll of the BN resurrects himself after getting his &rse kicked yet again this time by UKIP in the Elections. Your writing style is so transparent and obvious. I'll give you a week before you're banned again. Loser.[/p][/quote]Apparently you're so clever, but also so incredibly wrong at the same time. I'm pretty sure getting two seats in local council election doesn't really count as a 'win' for UKIP..... StopwiththeBS
  • Score: 6

8:00pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Brumas says...

How come NO ONE as commented on the fact that Irfan al-Alawi, whom ever he is, when he is quoted saying: -
"We have 1,600 mosques (in Britain) and a (Muslim) population of 1.6 million. It's become a business rather than a worship place." Al-Alawi, who opposes the London mega-mosque, says disagreements within a mosque can cause some members to branch off and want their own new building that is unnecessary. The mosques often don't fit in with neighbourhoods or outnumber churches or other religious houses of worship"
Is he telling it like it is or not?
How come NO ONE as commented on the fact that Irfan al-Alawi, whom ever he is, when he is quoted saying: - "We have 1,600 mosques (in Britain) and a (Muslim) population of 1.6 million. It's become a business rather than a worship place." Al-Alawi, who opposes the London mega-mosque, says disagreements within a mosque can cause some members to branch off and want their own new building that is unnecessary. The mosques often don't fit in with neighbourhoods or outnumber churches or other religious houses of worship" Is he telling it like it is or not? Brumas
  • Score: 7

8:08pm Mon 30 Jun 14

mb63 says...

StopwiththeBS wrote:
Bob Shaftoe wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
Bob Shaftoe wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
wsw69 wrote: Now then, where have the extra photos come from?
A camera? I'm guessing a camera...
Looks like TROll/BWFC71/NIGELLA has re-invented himself yet again into this tool.
Nope - try again
Yep. The resident europhile troll of the BN resurrects himself after getting his &rse kicked yet again this time by UKIP in the Elections. Your writing style is so transparent and obvious. I'll give you a week before you're banned again. Loser.
Apparently you're so clever, but also so incredibly wrong at the same time. I'm pretty sure getting two seats in local council election doesn't really count as a 'win' for UKIP.....
Why don't you do what your screen name says and stop with the BS?
2 UKIP councillors, but what about the 2nd placed UKIP votes?
You make the 2 UKIP gains seem like a failure!
And after reading your rants throughout this thread, you are so wrong on many things.
You seem to think that, because Bryn Morgan has ties to right wing groups, it somehow weakens this protest. You are so wrong.
You say that a small percentage of Muslim residents of the UK want Shariah law. You are so wrong.
You seem to think that Bolton Council and its' associated arms, are not overly biassed towards Ethnic minorities. You are so wrong.
You dress your posts up with a few well chosen links, and come accross with a "holier than thou" attitude.
And like someone above has touched on, as soon as anyone disproves, or puts a doubt on anything that left wing people say, the race card comes out.
STOP WITH THE B*LL SH*T.
I don't need to provide any links, i was there at the protest. I KNOW what was said, i know what the atmosphere was like AND i know that there was a steady stream of people of all ages, who were quite happy to sign the petition.
If you seriously think, that this building will not affect the local community, you are deluded!
[quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob Shaftoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bob Shaftoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: Now then, where have the extra photos come from?[/p][/quote]A camera? I'm guessing a camera...[/p][/quote]Looks like TROll/BWFC71/NIGELLA has re-invented himself yet again into this tool.[/p][/quote]Nope - try again[/p][/quote]Yep. The resident europhile troll of the BN resurrects himself after getting his &rse kicked yet again this time by UKIP in the Elections. Your writing style is so transparent and obvious. I'll give you a week before you're banned again. Loser.[/p][/quote]Apparently you're so clever, but also so incredibly wrong at the same time. I'm pretty sure getting two seats in local council election doesn't really count as a 'win' for UKIP.....[/p][/quote]Why don't you do what your screen name says and stop with the BS? 2 UKIP councillors, but what about the 2nd placed UKIP votes? You make the 2 UKIP gains seem like a failure! And after reading your rants throughout this thread, you are so wrong on many things. You seem to think that, because Bryn Morgan has ties to right wing groups, it somehow weakens this protest. You are so wrong. You say that a small percentage of Muslim residents of the UK want Shariah law. You are so wrong. You seem to think that Bolton Council and its' associated arms, are not overly biassed towards Ethnic minorities. You are so wrong. You dress your posts up with a few well chosen links, and come accross with a "holier than thou" attitude. And like someone above has touched on, as soon as anyone disproves, or puts a doubt on anything that left wing people say, the race card comes out. STOP WITH THE B*LL SH*T. I don't need to provide any links, i was there at the protest. I KNOW what was said, i know what the atmosphere was like AND i know that there was a steady stream of people of all ages, who were quite happy to sign the petition. If you seriously think, that this building will not affect the local community, you are deluded! mb63
  • Score: -3

8:17pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Phil from Smithills says...

stopwiththeBS said...."
4) say 200 catholics live in an area with no catholic church - would you say those 200 have to go elsewhere to worship or would you let them build a catholic church? Islam has a variety of denominations also. Islam isn't a 'one size fits all' religion. Just like Christianity isn't.

Well I lived near were the mosque will be built, and the catholics near me had to go to St Josephs, over Halliwell or Holy Infants, near Belmont Rd, so no the didn't wish for a church to be built near to them.

There are two mosques one at bottom of Halliwell Rd and one in Astley Street . The former Hesketh mill office's are also used as a mosque in Canning Street which backs on to the proposed site of the mosque, also the former church building facing the Iron church. That should be more than sufficient.
stopwiththeBS said...." 4) say 200 catholics live in an area with no catholic church - would you say those 200 have to go elsewhere to worship or would you let them build a catholic church? Islam has a variety of denominations also. Islam isn't a 'one size fits all' religion. Just like Christianity isn't. Well I lived near were the mosque will be built, and the catholics near me had to go to St Josephs, over Halliwell or Holy Infants, near Belmont Rd, so no the didn't wish for a church to be built near to them. There are two mosques one at bottom of Halliwell Rd and one in Astley Street . The former Hesketh mill office's are also used as a mosque in Canning Street which backs on to the proposed site of the mosque, also the former church building facing the Iron church. That should be more than sufficient. Phil from Smithills
  • Score: 6

8:19pm Mon 30 Jun 14

BoltonBoy1988 says...

the mosque is going to get built either way they only telling the people so you know whats going on.bolton council may reject don't forget theirs always BCOM-bolton community of mosques .happy days
the mosque is going to get built either way they only telling the people so you know whats going on.bolton council may reject don't forget theirs always BCOM-bolton community of mosques .happy days BoltonBoy1988
  • Score: 1

8:21pm Mon 30 Jun 14

calvin street says...

SleepingThunder wrote:
How is it a done deal Calvin? I thought it was a democratic process & please enlighten us to the main planner.
If you think this isn't going to happen you are deluded.
Democratic process doesn't exist in Bolton Council.
For example, Turton Heights and the building of 100,s of houses on covenant land.
Manor Court in Harwood, opposed by most residents in Harwood but the councillors forced it through.
I dont know the guys name and was told by a guy who goes in this mosque who I work with.
I will await your apology when the first brick is laid
[quote][p][bold]SleepingThunder[/bold] wrote: How is it a done deal Calvin? I thought it was a democratic process & please enlighten us to the main planner.[/p][/quote]If you think this isn't going to happen you are deluded. Democratic process doesn't exist in Bolton Council. For example, Turton Heights and the building of 100,s of houses on covenant land. Manor Court in Harwood, opposed by most residents in Harwood but the councillors forced it through. I dont know the guys name and was told by a guy who goes in this mosque who I work with. I will await your apology when the first brick is laid calvin street
  • Score: 5

8:37pm Mon 30 Jun 14

mb63 says...

calvin street wrote:
SleepingThunder wrote: How is it a done deal Calvin? I thought it was a democratic process & please enlighten us to the main planner.
If you think this isn't going to happen you are deluded. Democratic process doesn't exist in Bolton Council. For example, Turton Heights and the building of 100,s of houses on covenant land. Manor Court in Harwood, opposed by most residents in Harwood but the councillors forced it through. I dont know the guys name and was told by a guy who goes in this mosque who I work with. I will await your apology when the first brick is laid
I think you are right m8, but it isn't going to carry on like this.
Bolton Labour council are in for a shock at the next election!
[quote][p][bold]calvin street[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SleepingThunder[/bold] wrote: How is it a done deal Calvin? I thought it was a democratic process & please enlighten us to the main planner.[/p][/quote]If you think this isn't going to happen you are deluded. Democratic process doesn't exist in Bolton Council. For example, Turton Heights and the building of 100,s of houses on covenant land. Manor Court in Harwood, opposed by most residents in Harwood but the councillors forced it through. I dont know the guys name and was told by a guy who goes in this mosque who I work with. I will await your apology when the first brick is laid[/p][/quote]I think you are right m8, but it isn't going to carry on like this. Bolton Labour council are in for a shock at the next election! mb63
  • Score: 0

8:47pm Mon 30 Jun 14

calvin street says...

StopwiththeBS wrote:
And for the record 'facism' has been banded about so often now that it has actually lost all real meaning and just used by people to describe an ideology they don't approve of. I prefer to draw direct and exact comparisons with peoples viewpoints to back up my point. Yours has a number of very real and direct comparisons with National Socialism.

do I think what happens in Islamic states is right? No - not at all. But we arent in islamic states. The vast majority of people in Great Britain just want to get on with their lives in a country where we are all afforded the same freedoms. Their are, however, minorities - MOST of them being white - who want to fundamentally change the way our country works based purely on fear and hatred.

Since when has oppressing any community resulted in anything good?
First things first, GET A JOB
Im told they are looking for travel reps in Syria, Nigeria and Iraq. You sound ready made for the job.
Can you name these and I quote, mostly white minorities who want to change the way our country works.
You are very good with words but very short on FACT.
You keep using the good old race card, the picked on minority.
Which other country in the world has such a small minority got such a large say.
This country has cow toed to the minorities far to much.
Political correctness and Human rights, ideas which when first brought out were fantastic have been abused by the minorities
Regarding oppression, go have a look what islam, the religion of peace, has done in numerous countries in the middle east
[quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: And for the record 'facism' has been banded about so often now that it has actually lost all real meaning and just used by people to describe an ideology they don't approve of. I prefer to draw direct and exact comparisons with peoples viewpoints to back up my point. Yours has a number of very real and direct comparisons with National Socialism. do I think what happens in Islamic states is right? No - not at all. But we arent in islamic states. The vast majority of people in Great Britain just want to get on with their lives in a country where we are all afforded the same freedoms. Their are, however, minorities - MOST of them being white - who want to fundamentally change the way our country works based purely on fear and hatred. Since when has oppressing any community resulted in anything good?[/p][/quote]First things first, GET A JOB Im told they are looking for travel reps in Syria, Nigeria and Iraq. You sound ready made for the job. Can you name these and I quote, mostly white minorities who want to change the way our country works. You are very good with words but very short on FACT. You keep using the good old race card, the picked on minority. Which other country in the world has such a small minority got such a large say. This country has cow toed to the minorities far to much. Political correctness and Human rights, ideas which when first brought out were fantastic have been abused by the minorities Regarding oppression, go have a look what islam, the religion of peace, has done in numerous countries in the middle east calvin street
  • Score: 0

8:55pm Mon 30 Jun 14

ChristPMossie says...

StopwiththeBS wrote:
ChristPMossie wrote:
https://www.facebook


.com/pages/Exposing-


Bolton-Manchester-Ra


cists/14665761935870


54?


Thanks to this page for exposing it , mind you it was in the press so no real expose there , its listed publicly anyway,
People don't seriously believe that they're signing a petition do they? I've seen it. I've written on it -( admittedly I wrote something offensive). It doesn't follow necessary petition protocol to be accepted as a petition. Bryn knows this. It isn't ever going to be considered by the council. It will, however, form the start of Bryn's new mailing list when he runs for MP next year though. And he will use the fact it was rejected (due to its lack of attention to essential guidelines for submitting petitions) as a launchpad.

Luckily the silent majority aren't so easily manipulated.
Thats exactly what I've already said , he's getting his mailing list ready for the BNP
[quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChristPMossie[/bold] wrote: https://www.facebook .com/pages/Exposing- Bolton-Manchester-Ra cists/14665761935870 54? Thanks to this page for exposing it , mind you it was in the press so no real expose there , its listed publicly anyway,[/p][/quote]People don't seriously believe that they're signing a petition do they? I've seen it. I've written on it -( admittedly I wrote something offensive). It doesn't follow necessary petition protocol to be accepted as a petition. Bryn knows this. It isn't ever going to be considered by the council. It will, however, form the start of Bryn's new mailing list when he runs for MP next year though. And he will use the fact it was rejected (due to its lack of attention to essential guidelines for submitting petitions) as a launchpad. Luckily the silent majority aren't so easily manipulated.[/p][/quote]Thats exactly what I've already said , he's getting his mailing list ready for the BNP ChristPMossie
  • Score: 1

9:17pm Mon 30 Jun 14

mb63 says...

BoltonBoy1988 wrote:
the mosque is going to get built either way they only telling the people so you know whats going on.bolton council may reject don't forget theirs always BCOM-bolton community of mosques .happy days
It is Bolton Council Of Mosques!
Silly!
[quote][p][bold]BoltonBoy1988[/bold] wrote: the mosque is going to get built either way they only telling the people so you know whats going on.bolton council may reject don't forget theirs always BCOM-bolton community of mosques .happy days[/p][/quote]It is Bolton Council Of Mosques! Silly! mb63
  • Score: 4

9:21pm Mon 30 Jun 14

adatherton says...

Julian Thorpe wrote:
adatherton wrote:
Hey Julian, what's this about Bolton Council giving £1.1m to Bolton Council of Mosques over 9 years to 2013. The website whatdotheyknow.com published it first (link below) and it seems to be a central plank of this Facebook campaign. Yet, the FoI reply doesn't look right. Can you look into it? (Obviously it's a lot, for a small minority of ratepayers)

https://www.whatdoth


eyknow.com/request/g


rant_and_funding
Yes, we are looking into this.
Oh how I hope they have faked the FoI thing!
[quote][p][bold]Julian Thorpe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adatherton[/bold] wrote: Hey Julian, what's this about Bolton Council giving £1.1m to Bolton Council of Mosques over 9 years to 2013. The website whatdotheyknow.com published it first (link below) and it seems to be a central plank of this Facebook campaign. Yet, the FoI reply doesn't look right. Can you look into it? (Obviously it's a lot, for a small minority of ratepayers) https://www.whatdoth eyknow.com/request/g rant_and_funding[/p][/quote]Yes, we are looking into this.[/p][/quote]Oh how I hope they have faked the FoI thing! adatherton
  • Score: 0

9:23pm Mon 30 Jun 14

adatherton says...

StopwiththeBS wrote:
Julian Thorpe wrote:
adatherton wrote:
Hey Julian, what's this about Bolton Council giving £1.1m to Bolton Council of Mosques over 9 years to 2013. The website whatdotheyknow.com published it first (link below) and it seems to be a central plank of this Facebook campaign. Yet, the FoI reply doesn't look right. Can you look into it? (Obviously it's a lot, for a small minority of ratepayers)

https://www.whatdoth



eyknow.com/request/g



rant_and_funding
Yes, we are looking into this.
And i put money on finding that none of it was used to fund mosque building - instead spent on community projects in exactly the say way similar amounts of funding have been spent by organisations of other faiths and no faiths. Its just a figure Bryn has sunk his teeth into to try and spread hate.

Whilst you are researching it Julian can you also look into how using falsified and misleading information to gain signatures on a petition is viewed in the eyes of the law?
BTW same site shows the Hindus got £3.1m in the same period. Which figures, there are more than twice as many Hindus as Muslims in Bolton
[quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Julian Thorpe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adatherton[/bold] wrote: Hey Julian, what's this about Bolton Council giving £1.1m to Bolton Council of Mosques over 9 years to 2013. The website whatdotheyknow.com published it first (link below) and it seems to be a central plank of this Facebook campaign. Yet, the FoI reply doesn't look right. Can you look into it? (Obviously it's a lot, for a small minority of ratepayers) https://www.whatdoth eyknow.com/request/g rant_and_funding[/p][/quote]Yes, we are looking into this.[/p][/quote]And i put money on finding that none of it was used to fund mosque building - instead spent on community projects in exactly the say way similar amounts of funding have been spent by organisations of other faiths and no faiths. Its just a figure Bryn has sunk his teeth into to try and spread hate. Whilst you are researching it Julian can you also look into how using falsified and misleading information to gain signatures on a petition is viewed in the eyes of the law?[/p][/quote]BTW same site shows the Hindus got £3.1m in the same period. Which figures, there are more than twice as many Hindus as Muslims in Bolton adatherton
  • Score: 2

9:23pm Mon 30 Jun 14

adatherton says...

StopwiththeBS wrote:
Julian Thorpe wrote:
adatherton wrote:
Hey Julian, what's this about Bolton Council giving £1.1m to Bolton Council of Mosques over 9 years to 2013. The website whatdotheyknow.com published it first (link below) and it seems to be a central plank of this Facebook campaign. Yet, the FoI reply doesn't look right. Can you look into it? (Obviously it's a lot, for a small minority of ratepayers)

https://www.whatdoth



eyknow.com/request/g



rant_and_funding
Yes, we are looking into this.
And i put money on finding that none of it was used to fund mosque building - instead spent on community projects in exactly the say way similar amounts of funding have been spent by organisations of other faiths and no faiths. Its just a figure Bryn has sunk his teeth into to try and spread hate.

Whilst you are researching it Julian can you also look into how using falsified and misleading information to gain signatures on a petition is viewed in the eyes of the law?
BTW same site shows the Hindus got £3.1m in the same period. Which figures, there are more than twice as many Hindus as Muslims in Bolton
[quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Julian Thorpe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adatherton[/bold] wrote: Hey Julian, what's this about Bolton Council giving £1.1m to Bolton Council of Mosques over 9 years to 2013. The website whatdotheyknow.com published it first (link below) and it seems to be a central plank of this Facebook campaign. Yet, the FoI reply doesn't look right. Can you look into it? (Obviously it's a lot, for a small minority of ratepayers) https://www.whatdoth eyknow.com/request/g rant_and_funding[/p][/quote]Yes, we are looking into this.[/p][/quote]And i put money on finding that none of it was used to fund mosque building - instead spent on community projects in exactly the say way similar amounts of funding have been spent by organisations of other faiths and no faiths. Its just a figure Bryn has sunk his teeth into to try and spread hate. Whilst you are researching it Julian can you also look into how using falsified and misleading information to gain signatures on a petition is viewed in the eyes of the law?[/p][/quote]BTW same site shows the Hindus got £3.1m in the same period. Which figures, there are more than twice as many Hindus as Muslims in Bolton adatherton
  • Score: 0

10:28pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Comment777 wrote:
Julian Thorpe wrote:
wsw69 wrote:
mb63 wrote:
I was there for 2 hours. I never saw anyone frightened into signing the petition???
It was a TOTALLY peaceful event!
Spot-on mtb63.

The majority of the article is fabricated rubbish from a cr*p excuse of a journalist from a c*ap excuse of a snoozepaper.

Will we be getting any input from the so called excuse of the editor, Ian Savage? I very much doubt it
None of this is fabricated. We have simply quoted someone you disagree with.
A quote from a person on the side you seem to show support for.
So much for impartial.

Quite extreme reporting if you ask me.

Extremism comes in many forms, so does brainwashing and swaying public opinion.

Why mention the BNP Julian? This was not a BNP affiliated protest. And to end the articlewith 'the BNP are not wanted here' IS actually ending the article with an opinion that is strictly not true. I can tell you noe that there ARE thousands of closet BNP supporters in this town and all over the country who feel too fearful to speak up because of the sham lies and the propaganda via the media and richer political parties. They and you the mainstream media tried to do the same with UKIP - it backfired.

In short the BNP are wanted in this town by many individuals. Extremist opinions and ideology are not. Patriotism should not be confused with radicalization... answer this Julian... how do you stop British Muslims from being radicalized by dodgy Imams visiting Mosques?

I tell you right now that radical extremist Islam and Shariah Law are NOT wanted in this town, nor in the country other than those who support a version of Islam that is NOT the peaceful version it is supposed to be... now Julian tell me I am wrong.

I am not racist nor am I Islamphobic, but to create segregation and encourage sectarianism in a 'multicultural' society is a very VERY dangerous game, and should NOT be supported.

You tell me which members of which community will be welcome in that Mosque - I tell you now that this will be one section of the community at the expense of the rest of the populous.

I do not support any religion but to argue about a church in the same light is actually total bs in a country built on Christian and Catholic heritage and NOT Islam. Do the same in reverse in and Islamic state and you will be shown a huge knife, jail or the less extreme booted out of the country. Period.
[quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Julian Thorpe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mb63[/bold] wrote: I was there for 2 hours. I never saw anyone frightened into signing the petition??? It was a TOTALLY peaceful event![/p][/quote]Spot-on mtb63. The majority of the article is fabricated rubbish from a cr*p excuse of a journalist from a c*ap excuse of a snoozepaper. Will we be getting any input from the so called excuse of the editor, Ian Savage? I very much doubt it[/p][/quote]None of this is fabricated. We have simply quoted someone you disagree with.[/p][/quote]A quote from a person on the side you seem to show support for.[/p][/quote]So much for impartial. Quite extreme reporting if you ask me. Extremism comes in many forms, so does brainwashing and swaying public opinion. Why mention the BNP Julian? This was not a BNP affiliated protest. And to end the articlewith 'the BNP are not wanted here' IS actually ending the article with an opinion that is strictly not true. I can tell you noe that there ARE thousands of closet BNP supporters in this town and all over the country who feel too fearful to speak up because of the sham lies and the propaganda via the media and richer political parties. They and you the mainstream media tried to do the same with UKIP - it backfired. In short the BNP are wanted in this town by many individuals. Extremist opinions and ideology are not. Patriotism should not be confused with radicalization... answer this Julian... how do you stop British Muslims from being radicalized by dodgy Imams visiting Mosques? I tell you right now that radical extremist Islam and Shariah Law are NOT wanted in this town, nor in the country other than those who support a version of Islam that is NOT the peaceful version it is supposed to be... now Julian tell me I am wrong. I am not racist nor am I Islamphobic, but to create segregation and encourage sectarianism in a 'multicultural' society is a very VERY dangerous game, and should NOT be supported. You tell me which members of which community will be welcome in that Mosque - I tell you now that this will be one section of the community at the expense of the rest of the populous. I do not support any religion but to argue about a church in the same light is actually total bs in a country built on Christian and Catholic heritage and NOT Islam. Do the same in reverse in and Islamic state and you will be shown a huge knife, jail or the less extreme booted out of the country. Period. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 3

10:28pm Mon 30 Jun 14

cassabella says...

adatherton wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
Julian Thorpe wrote:
adatherton wrote:
Hey Julian, what's this about Bolton Council giving £1.1m to Bolton Council of Mosques over 9 years to 2013. The website whatdotheyknow.com published it first (link below) and it seems to be a central plank of this Facebook campaign. Yet, the FoI reply doesn't look right. Can you look into it? (Obviously it's a lot, for a small minority of ratepayers)

https://www.whatdoth




eyknow.com/request/g




rant_and_funding
Yes, we are looking into this.
And i put money on finding that none of it was used to fund mosque building - instead spent on community projects in exactly the say way similar amounts of funding have been spent by organisations of other faiths and no faiths. Its just a figure Bryn has sunk his teeth into to try and spread hate.

Whilst you are researching it Julian can you also look into how using falsified and misleading information to gain signatures on a petition is viewed in the eyes of the law?
BTW same site shows the Hindus got £3.1m in the same period. Which figures, there are more than twice as many Hindus as Muslims in Bolton
From 2005 to 2013 the Hindu forum got £370.252 not £3.1m, the christian faiths got £2.5m split across the christian community, Urban outreach, YMCA and Zacs and bolton interfaith got £281.234 and that is off do they know.com! The Bolton Council of Mosques for just over £1.1m in the same period and if they did spend it on community projects its for THEIR COMMUNITY ie the muslims not for ALL and no im not racist as I dont believe that my race is superior to theirs but they believe theirs is superior to ALL!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]adatherton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Julian Thorpe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]adatherton[/bold] wrote: Hey Julian, what's this about Bolton Council giving £1.1m to Bolton Council of Mosques over 9 years to 2013. The website whatdotheyknow.com published it first (link below) and it seems to be a central plank of this Facebook campaign. Yet, the FoI reply doesn't look right. Can you look into it? (Obviously it's a lot, for a small minority of ratepayers) https://www.whatdoth eyknow.com/request/g rant_and_funding[/p][/quote]Yes, we are looking into this.[/p][/quote]And i put money on finding that none of it was used to fund mosque building - instead spent on community projects in exactly the say way similar amounts of funding have been spent by organisations of other faiths and no faiths. Its just a figure Bryn has sunk his teeth into to try and spread hate. Whilst you are researching it Julian can you also look into how using falsified and misleading information to gain signatures on a petition is viewed in the eyes of the law?[/p][/quote]BTW same site shows the Hindus got £3.1m in the same period. Which figures, there are more than twice as many Hindus as Muslims in Bolton[/p][/quote]From 2005 to 2013 the Hindu forum got £370.252 not £3.1m, the christian faiths got £2.5m split across the christian community, Urban outreach, YMCA and Zacs and bolton interfaith got £281.234 and that is off do they know.com! The Bolton Council of Mosques for just over £1.1m in the same period and if they did spend it on community projects its for THEIR COMMUNITY ie the muslims not for ALL and no im not racist as I dont believe that my race is superior to theirs but they believe theirs is superior to ALL!!!!!!! cassabella
  • Score: 1

10:35pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Beyond News Forum says...

StopwiththeBS wrote:
Want facts, here - have facts.

1) This protest isn't about stopping a mosque, it's about spreading religious hatred and attempting to tear communities apart. The valid concerns of residents have been undermined by this group who are clearly more focused on hate filled rhetoric. Just vist the Stop the Mosque facebook page or watch some of the videos of this event and you'll see that this is nothing to do with mosque building and EVERYTHING to do with a misguided view of Islam.

2) Bryn Morgan - the Protest organiser and leader of the facebook page - Is a BNP Activist and has links with the EDL and National Front. Many of the 'supporters' who came out also have links to EDL, National Front and Britain First. All extreme right-wing organisations who use misrepresentation of 'facts' to incite hatred and violence. Don't believe he is BNP? Look here https://www.google.c

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3) "But it was non-political" - Just because there are no BNP banners etc doesn't make it any less political. If Hitler was there saying "lets stop the mosque" would you stand behind him just because he didn't have any swastikas showing? The whole thing is a case of far-right extremists using usually quite sensible people to spread aggressive messages against a specific community.

4) It is illegal for the council to prohibit the building of any building purely because 'its Muslim'. The fact that the protest is predominately anti-Muslim belittles all the valid arguments put forward by concerned residents.

5) Many of the petition signitures have been coerced into signing through the use of falsified and misrepresented information. The campaign have been approaching people saying "The council have given £1.1million pounds to fund mosque building - sign if you disagree with this". Actually the council have provided £1.1million over 7 years to the Bolton Council of Mosques to fund community projects - things such as interfaith cricket tournaments, domestic abuse education etc. NONE of it has gone towards mosque buildings and organisations of all faiths and none have been granted with comparable amounts over the same time period.

The fact is the whole campaign led by Bryn and his cronies has purely been an attempt at splitting the Bolton community using hate and lies. And a lot of people are letting him.

Congratulations on proving that none of you can think for yourselves.
So fecking what if he or anybody is. The right to Democratic opinion is his and anyone bloody else's. I cannot stand those t0$$ers in government and the rest of Parliament. I suppose I should irritate you with links to elitist bullShyte and the profiteering at your expense of the Conservative posh boys and girls?

Propaganda and lies about a section of people in a Democratic party... carry on listening to the mainstream news in your bubble of fickleness.

I'm no supporter of the BNP but the more people like you wish to bullShyte about them the more I become a supporter via reading their truths.
[quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: Want facts, here - have facts. 1) This protest isn't about stopping a mosque, it's about spreading religious hatred and attempting to tear communities apart. The valid concerns of residents have been undermined by this group who are clearly more focused on hate filled rhetoric. Just vist the Stop the Mosque facebook page or watch some of the videos of this event and you'll see that this is nothing to do with mosque building and EVERYTHING to do with a misguided view of Islam. 2) Bryn Morgan - the Protest organiser and leader of the facebook page - Is a BNP Activist and has links with the EDL and National Front. Many of the 'supporters' who came out also have links to EDL, National Front and Britain First. All extreme right-wing organisations who use misrepresentation of 'facts' to incite hatred and violence. Don't believe he is BNP? Look here https://www.google.c o.uk/url?sa=t&rc t=j& q=&esrc=s&so urce=web &cd=1&cad=rj a&uact=8 &ved=0CCIQtwIwAA &url =http%3A%2F%2Fwww.yo utube.com%2Fwatch%3F v%3DRSiiN0WLyFc& ei=Q DWxU-zpBIm5O_KxgfAN& amp; usg=AFQjCNHyXIfHkr1q WINNNQ9sZwC9eFsMcw&a mp;s ig2=EE7WUVwL4rUAmzmU RPr7dw&bvm=bv.69 8378 84,d.ZWU 3) "But it was non-political" - Just because there are no BNP banners etc doesn't make it any less political. If Hitler was there saying "lets stop the mosque" would you stand behind him just because he didn't have any swastikas showing? The whole thing is a case of far-right extremists using usually quite sensible people to spread aggressive messages against a specific community. 4) It is illegal for the council to prohibit the building of any building purely because 'its Muslim'. The fact that the protest is predominately anti-Muslim belittles all the valid arguments put forward by concerned residents. 5) Many of the petition signitures have been coerced into signing through the use of falsified and misrepresented information. The campaign have been approaching people saying "The council have given £1.1million pounds to fund mosque building - sign if you disagree with this". Actually the council have provided £1.1million over 7 years to the Bolton Council of Mosques to fund community projects - things such as interfaith cricket tournaments, domestic abuse education etc. NONE of it has gone towards mosque buildings and organisations of all faiths and none have been granted with comparable amounts over the same time period. The fact is the whole campaign led by Bryn and his cronies has purely been an attempt at splitting the Bolton community using hate and lies. And a lot of people are letting him. Congratulations on proving that none of you can think for yourselves.[/p][/quote]So fecking what if he or anybody is. The right to Democratic opinion is his and anyone bloody else's. I cannot stand those t0$$ers in government and the rest of Parliament. I suppose I should irritate you with links to elitist bullShyte and the profiteering at your expense of the Conservative posh boys and girls? Propaganda and lies about a section of people in a Democratic party... carry on listening to the mainstream news in your bubble of fickleness. I'm no supporter of the BNP but the more people like you wish to bullShyte about them the more I become a supporter via reading their truths. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 0

11:29pm Mon 30 Jun 14

charlie1303 says...

mb63 wrote:
I was there for 2 hours. I never saw anyone frightened into signing the petition???
It was a TOTALLY peaceful event!
I live half a mile from the proposed site for the new mosque in Farnworth and unlike the residents of North Bolton the residents which are in a close proximity to the proposed new mosque where not given their democratic right to voice their concerns to either agree or disagree to the planning application. Unlike the mosque being discussed at present we only found out about the proposed planning application via The Bolton News on the same day it went to committee, which has since been identified as a 'blip' in the councils system. If this is the case then surely the application should now be put on hold to give all residents a chance to comment. I have no problem with the new mosque it will look better than the present one and hopefully the users will have pride and keep the area around the mosque tidy, recently there was a build up of rubbish within the mosque compound including an old used mattress.
My concern would be the size 3 storeys plus the extra height of the 2 towers and as stated by the planning department not within keeping with the local area and architecture, my second concern is parking problems. At present on busy prayer days cars are parked on a one-way street on double yellow lines. Am I a racist for having these concerns - No but the people of Farnworth have been stereotyped as racists.
I have put a formal complaint into the planning office and on the 10th May received an email advising me I would receive a reply in 10 days - (24/05/14) 35 days later no-one has contacted me!!!.
In my complaint I wrote that the council has caused community destruction instead of community cohesion in the way they have handled the planning application for Farnworth Mosque in whic it appears to may as trying to push it through under the radar.
I urged all who are aggrieved to either call or email the council and state you want to make a 'corporate complaint' these go direct to the Chief Executive.
Please don't make it about a religion put forward your building concerns forward and your grievance regarding not being notified therfore to opportunity in a democratic country to make a democratic opinion.
[quote][p][bold]mb63[/bold] wrote: I was there for 2 hours. I never saw anyone frightened into signing the petition??? It was a TOTALLY peaceful event![/p][/quote]I live half a mile from the proposed site for the new mosque in Farnworth and unlike the residents of North Bolton the residents which are in a close proximity to the proposed new mosque where not given their democratic right to voice their concerns to either agree or disagree to the planning application. Unlike the mosque being discussed at present we only found out about the proposed planning application via The Bolton News on the same day it went to committee, which has since been identified as a 'blip' in the councils system. If this is the case then surely the application should now be put on hold to give all residents a chance to comment. I have no problem with the new mosque it will look better than the present one and hopefully the users will have pride and keep the area around the mosque tidy, recently there was a build up of rubbish within the mosque compound including an old used mattress. My concern would be the size 3 storeys plus the extra height of the 2 towers and as stated by the planning department not within keeping with the local area and architecture, my second concern is parking problems. At present on busy prayer days cars are parked on a one-way street on double yellow lines. Am I a racist for having these concerns - No but the people of Farnworth have been stereotyped as racists. I have put a formal complaint into the planning office and on the 10th May received an email advising me I would receive a reply in 10 days - (24/05/14) 35 days later no-one has contacted me!!!. In my complaint I wrote that the council has caused community destruction instead of community cohesion in the way they have handled the planning application for Farnworth Mosque in whic it appears to may as trying to push it through under the radar. I urged all who are aggrieved to either call or email the council and state you want to make a 'corporate complaint' these go direct to the Chief Executive. Please don't make it about a religion put forward your building concerns forward and your grievance regarding not being notified therfore to opportunity in a democratic country to make a democratic opinion. charlie1303
  • Score: 5

1:59am Tue 1 Jul 14

StopwiththeBS says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
Want facts, here - have facts.

1) This protest isn't about stopping a mosque, it's about spreading religious hatred and attempting to tear communities apart. The valid concerns of residents have been undermined by this group who are clearly more focused on hate filled rhetoric. Just vist the Stop the Mosque facebook page or watch some of the videos of this event and you'll see that this is nothing to do with mosque building and EVERYTHING to do with a misguided view of Islam.

2) Bryn Morgan - the Protest organiser and leader of the facebook page - Is a BNP Activist and has links with the EDL and National Front. Many of the 'supporters' who came out also have links to EDL, National Front and Britain First. All extreme right-wing organisations who use misrepresentation of 'facts' to incite hatred and violence. Don't believe he is BNP? Look here https://www.google.c


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3) "But it was non-political" - Just because there are no BNP banners etc doesn't make it any less political. If Hitler was there saying "lets stop the mosque" would you stand behind him just because he didn't have any swastikas showing? The whole thing is a case of far-right extremists using usually quite sensible people to spread aggressive messages against a specific community.

4) It is illegal for the council to prohibit the building of any building purely because 'its Muslim'. The fact that the protest is predominately anti-Muslim belittles all the valid arguments put forward by concerned residents.

5) Many of the petition signitures have been coerced into signing through the use of falsified and misrepresented information. The campaign have been approaching people saying "The council have given £1.1million pounds to fund mosque building - sign if you disagree with this". Actually the council have provided £1.1million over 7 years to the Bolton Council of Mosques to fund community projects - things such as interfaith cricket tournaments, domestic abuse education etc. NONE of it has gone towards mosque buildings and organisations of all faiths and none have been granted with comparable amounts over the same time period.

The fact is the whole campaign led by Bryn and his cronies has purely been an attempt at splitting the Bolton community using hate and lies. And a lot of people are letting him.

Congratulations on proving that none of you can think for yourselves.
So fecking what if he or anybody is. The right to Democratic opinion is his and anyone bloody else's. I cannot stand those t0$$ers in government and the rest of Parliament. I suppose I should irritate you with links to elitist bullShyte and the profiteering at your expense of the Conservative posh boys and girls?

Propaganda and lies about a section of people in a Democratic party... carry on listening to the mainstream news in your bubble of fickleness.

I'm no supporter of the BNP but the more people like you wish to bullShyte about them the more I become a supporter via reading their truths.
Their truths? You seem to think the BNP and Bryn Morgan or any single person advocating an anti-Islamist stance uses truth?

You poor deluded fool
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: Want facts, here - have facts. 1) This protest isn't about stopping a mosque, it's about spreading religious hatred and attempting to tear communities apart. The valid concerns of residents have been undermined by this group who are clearly more focused on hate filled rhetoric. Just vist the Stop the Mosque facebook page or watch some of the videos of this event and you'll see that this is nothing to do with mosque building and EVERYTHING to do with a misguided view of Islam. 2) Bryn Morgan - the Protest organiser and leader of the facebook page - Is a BNP Activist and has links with the EDL and National Front. Many of the 'supporters' who came out also have links to EDL, National Front and Britain First. All extreme right-wing organisations who use misrepresentation of 'facts' to incite hatred and violence. Don't believe he is BNP? Look here https://www.google.c o.uk/url?sa=t&rc t=j& q=&esrc=s&so urce=web &cd=1&cad=rj a&uact=8 &ved=0CCIQtwIwAA &url =http%3A%2F%2Fwww.yo utube.com%2Fwatch%3F v%3DRSiiN0WLyFc& ei=Q DWxU-zpBIm5O_KxgfAN& amp; amp; usg=AFQjCNHyXIfHkr1q WINNNQ9sZwC9eFsMcw&a mp;a mp;s ig2=EE7WUVwL4rUAmzmU RPr7dw&bvm=bv.69 8378 84,d.ZWU 3) "But it was non-political" - Just because there are no BNP banners etc doesn't make it any less political. If Hitler was there saying "lets stop the mosque" would you stand behind him just because he didn't have any swastikas showing? The whole thing is a case of far-right extremists using usually quite sensible people to spread aggressive messages against a specific community. 4) It is illegal for the council to prohibit the building of any building purely because 'its Muslim'. The fact that the protest is predominately anti-Muslim belittles all the valid arguments put forward by concerned residents. 5) Many of the petition signitures have been coerced into signing through the use of falsified and misrepresented information. The campaign have been approaching people saying "The council have given £1.1million pounds to fund mosque building - sign if you disagree with this". Actually the council have provided £1.1million over 7 years to the Bolton Council of Mosques to fund community projects - things such as interfaith cricket tournaments, domestic abuse education etc. NONE of it has gone towards mosque buildings and organisations of all faiths and none have been granted with comparable amounts over the same time period. The fact is the whole campaign led by Bryn and his cronies has purely been an attempt at splitting the Bolton community using hate and lies. And a lot of people are letting him. Congratulations on proving that none of you can think for yourselves.[/p][/quote]So fecking what if he or anybody is. The right to Democratic opinion is his and anyone bloody else's. I cannot stand those t0$$ers in government and the rest of Parliament. I suppose I should irritate you with links to elitist bullShyte and the profiteering at your expense of the Conservative posh boys and girls? Propaganda and lies about a section of people in a Democratic party... carry on listening to the mainstream news in your bubble of fickleness. I'm no supporter of the BNP but the more people like you wish to bullShyte about them the more I become a supporter via reading their truths.[/p][/quote]Their truths? You seem to think the BNP and Bryn Morgan or any single person advocating an anti-Islamist stance uses truth? You poor deluded fool StopwiththeBS
  • Score: 2

2:12am Tue 1 Jul 14

StopwiththeBS says...

calvin street wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
And for the record 'facism' has been banded about so often now that it has actually lost all real meaning and just used by people to describe an ideology they don't approve of. I prefer to draw direct and exact comparisons with peoples viewpoints to back up my point. Yours has a number of very real and direct comparisons with National Socialism.

do I think what happens in Islamic states is right? No - not at all. But we arent in islamic states. The vast majority of people in Great Britain just want to get on with their lives in a country where we are all afforded the same freedoms. Their are, however, minorities - MOST of them being white - who want to fundamentally change the way our country works based purely on fear and hatred.

Since when has oppressing any community resulted in anything good?
First things first, GET A JOB
Im told they are looking for travel reps in Syria, Nigeria and Iraq. You sound ready made for the job.
Can you name these and I quote, mostly white minorities who want to change the way our country works.
You are very good with words but very short on FACT.
You keep using the good old race card, the picked on minority.
Which other country in the world has such a small minority got such a large say.
This country has cow toed to the minorities far to much.
Political correctness and Human rights, ideas which when first brought out were fantastic have been abused by the minorities
Regarding oppression, go have a look what islam, the religion of peace, has done in numerous countries in the middle east
1) Typical -suddenly decide that so some with a view based on actual facts isn't employed. How far progressive of you.

2) Britain First, BNP, EDL, National Front, UKIP.

3) FACT - This petition and protest will be disregarded on the basis it focuses on not the planning but the people. FACT - Bryn Morgan, leader of the protest and Facebook group us ashamed of his own extreme vies, hence why he won't openly admit to having them. FACT - 95.2% of the UK population are non-Muslim, therefore the chances of "Islam taking over the UK" are slim to nothing.

4) Never once mentioned the race card. That's your own guilt creeping in. But for the record, discrimination isn't OK regardless of if it's race or religion (also a fact)!

5) minorities get nothing more than the same freedoms afforded to everyone else....usually much less.

5) we are t in Syria, Iraq , Saudi Arabia etc. we are in Britain. Therefore comparisons are as useful as Bryn Morgan at a "not being part of the BNP" contest.

Your turn -

What do we do with a Muslims who refuse to give up the practice of their religion and refuse to leave the (their) country in this world where preventing the worship of is slam us acceptable?
[quote][p][bold]calvin street[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: And for the record 'facism' has been banded about so often now that it has actually lost all real meaning and just used by people to describe an ideology they don't approve of. I prefer to draw direct and exact comparisons with peoples viewpoints to back up my point. Yours has a number of very real and direct comparisons with National Socialism. do I think what happens in Islamic states is right? No - not at all. But we arent in islamic states. The vast majority of people in Great Britain just want to get on with their lives in a country where we are all afforded the same freedoms. Their are, however, minorities - MOST of them being white - who want to fundamentally change the way our country works based purely on fear and hatred. Since when has oppressing any community resulted in anything good?[/p][/quote]First things first, GET A JOB Im told they are looking for travel reps in Syria, Nigeria and Iraq. You sound ready made for the job. Can you name these and I quote, mostly white minorities who want to change the way our country works. You are very good with words but very short on FACT. You keep using the good old race card, the picked on minority. Which other country in the world has such a small minority got such a large say. This country has cow toed to the minorities far to much. Political correctness and Human rights, ideas which when first brought out were fantastic have been abused by the minorities Regarding oppression, go have a look what islam, the religion of peace, has done in numerous countries in the middle east[/p][/quote]1) Typical -suddenly decide that so some with a view based on actual facts isn't employed. How far progressive of you. 2) Britain First, BNP, EDL, National Front, UKIP. 3) FACT - This petition and protest will be disregarded on the basis it focuses on not the planning but the people. FACT - Bryn Morgan, leader of the protest and Facebook group us ashamed of his own extreme vies, hence why he won't openly admit to having them. FACT - 95.2% of the UK population are non-Muslim, therefore the chances of "Islam taking over the UK" are slim to nothing. 4) Never once mentioned the race card. That's your own guilt creeping in. But for the record, discrimination isn't OK regardless of if it's race or religion (also a fact)! 5) minorities get nothing more than the same freedoms afforded to everyone else....usually much less. 5) we are t in Syria, Iraq , Saudi Arabia etc. we are in Britain. Therefore comparisons are as useful as Bryn Morgan at a "not being part of the BNP" contest. Your turn - What do we do with a Muslims who refuse to give up the practice of their religion and refuse to leave the (their) country in this world where preventing the worship of is slam us acceptable? StopwiththeBS
  • Score: 3

2:16am Tue 1 Jul 14

StopwiththeBS says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Comment777 wrote:
Julian Thorpe wrote:
wsw69 wrote:
mb63 wrote:
I was there for 2 hours. I never saw anyone frightened into signing the petition???
It was a TOTALLY peaceful event!
Spot-on mtb63.

The majority of the article is fabricated rubbish from a cr*p excuse of a journalist from a c*ap excuse of a snoozepaper.

Will we be getting any input from the so called excuse of the editor, Ian Savage? I very much doubt it
None of this is fabricated. We have simply quoted someone you disagree with.
A quote from a person on the side you seem to show support for.
So much for impartial.

Quite extreme reporting if you ask me.

Extremism comes in many forms, so does brainwashing and swaying public opinion.

Why mention the BNP Julian? This was not a BNP affiliated protest. And to end the articlewith 'the BNP are not wanted here' IS actually ending the article with an opinion that is strictly not true. I can tell you noe that there ARE thousands of closet BNP supporters in this town and all over the country who feel too fearful to speak up because of the sham lies and the propaganda via the media and richer political parties. They and you the mainstream media tried to do the same with UKIP - it backfired.

In short the BNP are wanted in this town by many individuals. Extremist opinions and ideology are not. Patriotism should not be confused with radicalization... answer this Julian... how do you stop British Muslims from being radicalized by dodgy Imams visiting Mosques?

I tell you right now that radical extremist Islam and Shariah Law are NOT wanted in this town, nor in the country other than those who support a version of Islam that is NOT the peaceful version it is supposed to be... now Julian tell me I am wrong.

I am not racist nor am I Islamphobic, but to create segregation and encourage sectarianism in a 'multicultural' society is a very VERY dangerous game, and should NOT be supported.

You tell me which members of which community will be welcome in that Mosque - I tell you now that this will be one section of the community at the expense of the rest of the populous.

I do not support any religion but to argue about a church in the same light is actually total bs in a country built on Christian and Catholic heritage and NOT Islam. Do the same in reverse in and Islamic state and you will be shown a huge knife, jail or the less extreme booted out of the country. Period.
We were actually built on. pagan heritage. The Christians just came in and took over.
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Julian Thorpe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mb63[/bold] wrote: I was there for 2 hours. I never saw anyone frightened into signing the petition??? It was a TOTALLY peaceful event![/p][/quote]Spot-on mtb63. The majority of the article is fabricated rubbish from a cr*p excuse of a journalist from a c*ap excuse of a snoozepaper. Will we be getting any input from the so called excuse of the editor, Ian Savage? I very much doubt it[/p][/quote]None of this is fabricated. We have simply quoted someone you disagree with.[/p][/quote]A quote from a person on the side you seem to show support for.[/p][/quote]So much for impartial. Quite extreme reporting if you ask me. Extremism comes in many forms, so does brainwashing and swaying public opinion. Why mention the BNP Julian? This was not a BNP affiliated protest. And to end the articlewith 'the BNP are not wanted here' IS actually ending the article with an opinion that is strictly not true. I can tell you noe that there ARE thousands of closet BNP supporters in this town and all over the country who feel too fearful to speak up because of the sham lies and the propaganda via the media and richer political parties. They and you the mainstream media tried to do the same with UKIP - it backfired. In short the BNP are wanted in this town by many individuals. Extremist opinions and ideology are not. Patriotism should not be confused with radicalization... answer this Julian... how do you stop British Muslims from being radicalized by dodgy Imams visiting Mosques? I tell you right now that radical extremist Islam and Shariah Law are NOT wanted in this town, nor in the country other than those who support a version of Islam that is NOT the peaceful version it is supposed to be... now Julian tell me I am wrong. I am not racist nor am I Islamphobic, but to create segregation and encourage sectarianism in a 'multicultural' society is a very VERY dangerous game, and should NOT be supported. You tell me which members of which community will be welcome in that Mosque - I tell you now that this will be one section of the community at the expense of the rest of the populous. I do not support any religion but to argue about a church in the same light is actually total bs in a country built on Christian and Catholic heritage and NOT Islam. Do the same in reverse in and Islamic state and you will be shown a huge knife, jail or the less extreme booted out of the country. Period.[/p][/quote]We were actually built on. pagan heritage. The Christians just came in and took over. StopwiththeBS
  • Score: 4

2:17am Tue 1 Jul 14

Unbelievers Utd says...

StopwiththeBS wrote:
Jerry cruncher wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
Jerry cruncher wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
waynagain wrote:
When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.
This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray.

For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.
The stupidity of those appeasing the most dangerous,barbaric,f




ascistic ideology on the planet baffles me,why would any right minded,logical person,think encouraging an ideology that is currently engaged in such barbarous activities around the world is a good idea? If we have so much trouble from them now when they make up 4.8% of the population just think of the problems we will face in the future when they make up 10,20% of the population? If we don't act now the future of this country is going to be extremely bleak.
You know that the 4.8% of Muslims don't actually want to live in an islamic state don't you? In fact most of them were either born here and fully identify with being British or fled islamic countries as a result of the lack of progressive thinking within them.

Jesus - stop with the fear mongering. Are you seriously advocating a Nazi-ish eradication of an entire community?
You seem to be saying that not one of the 4.8% of Muslims living in this country wants to live in an Islamic state? Also that they fully identify with being British? If this is true how do you account for the high % of the Islamic community who would like to see sharia law introduced in the UK? Or those that have left the UK to take part in Jihad? Or our homegrown terrorists? It's interesting that you mention Nazis,you do realise Islamists are fascists? I've never understood why so many with far-left political views support their ideological opposites,it's either through stupidity,ignorance or hatred of their own country,people and culture.
Please feel free to show me the actual stated facts that a 'high percentage' want to live in a sharia run country. And if - and when - you do that. Can you also do some maths and work out exactly how many people that is as a whole number. Then I can laygh at you.

You do know that 'guessing' at my political affiliations does not actually make you correct? You are aware the term fascist has no actual meaning anymore? You are also aware that Nazi Germany began by scapegoating an entire RELIGION (not not race - they were happy to scapegoat and exterminate people who were Jewish who had decided to become Jews and had no semetic link whatsoever.)

I'm neither left-wing or right-wing. I have no love for the UAF, Communists or other far-left ideologies. However i do accept that most of them exist purely because of the existence of the far-right. Educate the far-right and there's little need for the far-left.

Can you please detail exactly your proposed plan for 'dealing with the muslims'
" proposed plan for 'dealing with the muslims'" - BAN ISLAM. This is what the qur'an COMMANDS its followers to do to us unbelievers.. http://quran.com/9/2
9 http://quran.com/4/8
9 http://quran.com/8/3
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These are just a few examples. There are over 109 verses in the qur'an which command muslims to wage war against us unbelievers until the entire planet belongs to allah. I'll set you a small challenge. Go to qur'an.com & type in the word "unbelievers" to see for yourself the pages & pages of hatred aimed towards us unbelievers. Now tell me why we should tolerate the intolerant?
[quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waynagain[/bold] wrote: When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.[/p][/quote]This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray. For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.[/p][/quote]The stupidity of those appeasing the most dangerous,barbaric,f ascistic ideology on the planet baffles me,why would any right minded,logical person,think encouraging an ideology that is currently engaged in such barbarous activities around the world is a good idea? If we have so much trouble from them now when they make up 4.8% of the population just think of the problems we will face in the future when they make up 10,20% of the population? If we don't act now the future of this country is going to be extremely bleak.[/p][/quote]You know that the 4.8% of Muslims don't actually want to live in an islamic state don't you? In fact most of them were either born here and fully identify with being British or fled islamic countries as a result of the lack of progressive thinking within them. Jesus - stop with the fear mongering. Are you seriously advocating a Nazi-ish eradication of an entire community?[/p][/quote]You seem to be saying that not one of the 4.8% of Muslims living in this country wants to live in an Islamic state? Also that they fully identify with being British? If this is true how do you account for the high % of the Islamic community who would like to see sharia law introduced in the UK? Or those that have left the UK to take part in Jihad? Or our homegrown terrorists? It's interesting that you mention Nazis,you do realise Islamists are fascists? I've never understood why so many with far-left political views support their ideological opposites,it's either through stupidity,ignorance or hatred of their own country,people and culture.[/p][/quote]Please feel free to show me the actual stated facts that a 'high percentage' want to live in a sharia run country. And if - and when - you do that. Can you also do some maths and work out exactly how many people that is as a whole number. Then I can laygh at you. You do know that 'guessing' at my political affiliations does not actually make you correct? You are aware the term fascist has no actual meaning anymore? You are also aware that Nazi Germany began by scapegoating an entire RELIGION (not not race - they were happy to scapegoat and exterminate people who were Jewish who had decided to become Jews and had no semetic link whatsoever.) I'm neither left-wing or right-wing. I have no love for the UAF, Communists or other far-left ideologies. However i do accept that most of them exist purely because of the existence of the far-right. Educate the far-right and there's little need for the far-left. Can you please detail exactly your proposed plan for 'dealing with the muslims'[/p][/quote]" proposed plan for 'dealing with the muslims'" - BAN ISLAM. This is what the qur'an COMMANDS its followers to do to us unbelievers.. http://quran.com/9/2 9 http://quran.com/4/8 9 http://quran.com/8/3 9 These are just a few examples. There are over 109 verses in the qur'an which command muslims to wage war against us unbelievers until the entire planet belongs to allah. I'll set you a small challenge. Go to qur'an.com & type in the word "unbelievers" to see for yourself the pages & pages of hatred aimed towards us unbelievers. Now tell me why we should tolerate the intolerant? Unbelievers Utd
  • Score: 3

2:19am Tue 1 Jul 14

StopwiththeBS says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Comment777 wrote:
Julian Thorpe wrote:
wsw69 wrote:
mb63 wrote:
I was there for 2 hours. I never saw anyone frightened into signing the petition???
It was a TOTALLY peaceful event!
Spot-on mtb63.

The majority of the article is fabricated rubbish from a cr*p excuse of a journalist from a c*ap excuse of a snoozepaper.

Will we be getting any input from the so called excuse of the editor, Ian Savage? I very much doubt it
None of this is fabricated. We have simply quoted someone you disagree with.
A quote from a person on the side you seem to show support for.
So much for impartial.

Quite extreme reporting if you ask me.

Extremism comes in many forms, so does brainwashing and swaying public opinion.

Why mention the BNP Julian? This was not a BNP affiliated protest. And to end the articlewith 'the BNP are not wanted here' IS actually ending the article with an opinion that is strictly not true. I can tell you noe that there ARE thousands of closet BNP supporters in this town and all over the country who feel too fearful to speak up because of the sham lies and the propaganda via the media and richer political parties. They and you the mainstream media tried to do the same with UKIP - it backfired.

In short the BNP are wanted in this town by many individuals. Extremist opinions and ideology are not. Patriotism should not be confused with radicalization... answer this Julian... how do you stop British Muslims from being radicalized by dodgy Imams visiting Mosques?

I tell you right now that radical extremist Islam and Shariah Law are NOT wanted in this town, nor in the country other than those who support a version of Islam that is NOT the peaceful version it is supposed to be... now Julian tell me I am wrong.

I am not racist nor am I Islamphobic, but to create segregation and encourage sectarianism in a 'multicultural' society is a very VERY dangerous game, and should NOT be supported.

You tell me which members of which community will be welcome in that Mosque - I tell you now that this will be one section of the community at the expense of the rest of the populous.

I do not support any religion but to argue about a church in the same light is actually total bs in a country built on Christian and Catholic heritage and NOT Islam. Do the same in reverse in and Islamic state and you will be shown a huge knife, jail or the less extreme booted out of the country. Period.
I'd have an amazing discussion on why you are wrong. Unfortunately all I can seem to muster is "sigh"

And that's me bring polite.
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Julian Thorpe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mb63[/bold] wrote: I was there for 2 hours. I never saw anyone frightened into signing the petition??? It was a TOTALLY peaceful event![/p][/quote]Spot-on mtb63. The majority of the article is fabricated rubbish from a cr*p excuse of a journalist from a c*ap excuse of a snoozepaper. Will we be getting any input from the so called excuse of the editor, Ian Savage? I very much doubt it[/p][/quote]None of this is fabricated. We have simply quoted someone you disagree with.[/p][/quote]A quote from a person on the side you seem to show support for.[/p][/quote]So much for impartial. Quite extreme reporting if you ask me. Extremism comes in many forms, so does brainwashing and swaying public opinion. Why mention the BNP Julian? This was not a BNP affiliated protest. And to end the articlewith 'the BNP are not wanted here' IS actually ending the article with an opinion that is strictly not true. I can tell you noe that there ARE thousands of closet BNP supporters in this town and all over the country who feel too fearful to speak up because of the sham lies and the propaganda via the media and richer political parties. They and you the mainstream media tried to do the same with UKIP - it backfired. In short the BNP are wanted in this town by many individuals. Extremist opinions and ideology are not. Patriotism should not be confused with radicalization... answer this Julian... how do you stop British Muslims from being radicalized by dodgy Imams visiting Mosques? I tell you right now that radical extremist Islam and Shariah Law are NOT wanted in this town, nor in the country other than those who support a version of Islam that is NOT the peaceful version it is supposed to be... now Julian tell me I am wrong. I am not racist nor am I Islamphobic, but to create segregation and encourage sectarianism in a 'multicultural' society is a very VERY dangerous game, and should NOT be supported. You tell me which members of which community will be welcome in that Mosque - I tell you now that this will be one section of the community at the expense of the rest of the populous. I do not support any religion but to argue about a church in the same light is actually total bs in a country built on Christian and Catholic heritage and NOT Islam. Do the same in reverse in and Islamic state and you will be shown a huge knife, jail or the less extreme booted out of the country. Period.[/p][/quote]I'd have an amazing discussion on why you are wrong. Unfortunately all I can seem to muster is "sigh" And that's me bring polite. StopwiththeBS
  • Score: 2

2:33am Tue 1 Jul 14

Unbelievers Utd says...

StopwiththeBS wrote:
Want facts, here - have facts.

1) This protest isn't about stopping a mosque, it's about spreading religious hatred and attempting to tear communities apart. The valid concerns of residents have been undermined by this group who are clearly more focused on hate filled rhetoric. Just vist the Stop the Mosque facebook page or watch some of the videos of this event and you'll see that this is nothing to do with mosque building and EVERYTHING to do with a misguided view of Islam.

2) Bryn Morgan - the Protest organiser and leader of the facebook page - Is a BNP Activist and has links with the EDL and National Front. Many of the 'supporters' who came out also have links to EDL, National Front and Britain First. All extreme right-wing organisations who use misrepresentation of 'facts' to incite hatred and violence. Don't believe he is BNP? Look here https://www.google.c

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3) "But it was non-political" - Just because there are no BNP banners etc doesn't make it any less political. If Hitler was there saying "lets stop the mosque" would you stand behind him just because he didn't have any swastikas showing? The whole thing is a case of far-right extremists using usually quite sensible people to spread aggressive messages against a specific community.

4) It is illegal for the council to prohibit the building of any building purely because 'its Muslim'. The fact that the protest is predominately anti-Muslim belittles all the valid arguments put forward by concerned residents.

5) Many of the petition signitures have been coerced into signing through the use of falsified and misrepresented information. The campaign have been approaching people saying "The council have given £1.1million pounds to fund mosque building - sign if you disagree with this". Actually the council have provided £1.1million over 7 years to the Bolton Council of Mosques to fund community projects - things such as interfaith cricket tournaments, domestic abuse education etc. NONE of it has gone towards mosque buildings and organisations of all faiths and none have been granted with comparable amounts over the same time period.

The fact is the whole campaign led by Bryn and his cronies has purely been an attempt at splitting the Bolton community using hate and lies. And a lot of people are letting him.

Congratulations on proving that none of you can think for yourselves.
"a misguided view of Islam." - This misguided view is all yours. This is what the qur'an commands its followers to do to us unbelievers.. http://quran.com/9/2
9 http://quran.com/8/3
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These are just a few examples. There are over 109 verses in the qur'an commanding muslims to wage war against us unbelievers until the planet belongs to allah. Some do what it commands, ISIS, Hamas, Al Qaeda, Al Shabbab, Boko Haram, etc, etc. All you have shown is your complete ignorance on islam & its history. Read the qur'an, the hadith & the life of muhammad then you can come back & apologize for being such a dhimmi.
"Congratulations on proving that none of you can think for yourselves." - The irony! You obviously believe the lying politicians & media when they tell you "islam is a religion of peace" or we're "taking it out of context" or have "misinterpreted" the qur'an. Read it & learn then "think for yourself".
[quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: Want facts, here - have facts. 1) This protest isn't about stopping a mosque, it's about spreading religious hatred and attempting to tear communities apart. The valid concerns of residents have been undermined by this group who are clearly more focused on hate filled rhetoric. Just vist the Stop the Mosque facebook page or watch some of the videos of this event and you'll see that this is nothing to do with mosque building and EVERYTHING to do with a misguided view of Islam. 2) Bryn Morgan - the Protest organiser and leader of the facebook page - Is a BNP Activist and has links with the EDL and National Front. Many of the 'supporters' who came out also have links to EDL, National Front and Britain First. All extreme right-wing organisations who use misrepresentation of 'facts' to incite hatred and violence. Don't believe he is BNP? Look here https://www.google.c o.uk/url?sa=t&rc t=j& q=&esrc=s&so urce=web &cd=1&cad=rj a&uact=8 &ved=0CCIQtwIwAA &url =http%3A%2F%2Fwww.yo utube.com%2Fwatch%3F v%3DRSiiN0WLyFc& ei=Q DWxU-zpBIm5O_KxgfAN& amp; usg=AFQjCNHyXIfHkr1q WINNNQ9sZwC9eFsMcw&a mp;s ig2=EE7WUVwL4rUAmzmU RPr7dw&bvm=bv.69 8378 84,d.ZWU 3) "But it was non-political" - Just because there are no BNP banners etc doesn't make it any less political. If Hitler was there saying "lets stop the mosque" would you stand behind him just because he didn't have any swastikas showing? The whole thing is a case of far-right extremists using usually quite sensible people to spread aggressive messages against a specific community. 4) It is illegal for the council to prohibit the building of any building purely because 'its Muslim'. The fact that the protest is predominately anti-Muslim belittles all the valid arguments put forward by concerned residents. 5) Many of the petition signitures have been coerced into signing through the use of falsified and misrepresented information. The campaign have been approaching people saying "The council have given £1.1million pounds to fund mosque building - sign if you disagree with this". Actually the council have provided £1.1million over 7 years to the Bolton Council of Mosques to fund community projects - things such as interfaith cricket tournaments, domestic abuse education etc. NONE of it has gone towards mosque buildings and organisations of all faiths and none have been granted with comparable amounts over the same time period. The fact is the whole campaign led by Bryn and his cronies has purely been an attempt at splitting the Bolton community using hate and lies. And a lot of people are letting him. Congratulations on proving that none of you can think for yourselves.[/p][/quote]"a misguided view of Islam." - This misguided view is all yours. This is what the qur'an commands its followers to do to us unbelievers.. http://quran.com/9/2 9 http://quran.com/8/3 9 http://quran.com/4/8 9 These are just a few examples. There are over 109 verses in the qur'an commanding muslims to wage war against us unbelievers until the planet belongs to allah. Some do what it commands, ISIS, Hamas, Al Qaeda, Al Shabbab, Boko Haram, etc, etc. All you have shown is your complete ignorance on islam & its history. Read the qur'an, the hadith & the life of muhammad then you can come back & apologize for being such a dhimmi. "Congratulations on proving that none of you can think for yourselves." - The irony! You obviously believe the lying politicians & media when they tell you "islam is a religion of peace" or we're "taking it out of context" or have "misinterpreted" the qur'an. Read it & learn then "think for yourself". Unbelievers Utd
  • Score: -5

2:45am Tue 1 Jul 14

Unbelievers Utd says...

Rivertin wrote:
I think I must have caused some confusion in previous posts in how I worded them, some of my points were.

1) Are there any groups out there who are getting a petition together for those people who wish to have extra mosques/or certain mosques improved and extended?

2) Just because I feel threatened by a group of people does not mean they have intentions of threatening me.
" does not mean they have intentions of threatening me." - Not while they're in the minority, of course not. The qur'an commands muslims to kill, torture, conquer & enslave us. Do you think they'll attempt it whilst hugely outnumbered? Read the qur'an for yourself too see what they have in store for us unbelievers.
[quote][p][bold]Rivertin[/bold] wrote: I think I must have caused some confusion in previous posts in how I worded them, some of my points were. 1) Are there any groups out there who are getting a petition together for those people who wish to have extra mosques/or certain mosques improved and extended? 2) Just because I feel threatened by a group of people does not mean they have intentions of threatening me.[/p][/quote]" does not mean they have intentions of threatening me." - Not while they're in the minority, of course not. The qur'an commands muslims to kill, torture, conquer & enslave us. Do you think they'll attempt it whilst hugely outnumbered? Read the qur'an for yourself too see what they have in store for us unbelievers. Unbelievers Utd
  • Score: 0

8:54am Tue 1 Jul 14

Brynmorgan says...

To see my name in print and the causes I stand for emboldened along side it always fill me with a heartfelt joy.
The fact that so many ultra liberal left wing advocates seem to have acquired a deep fascination with me gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside ( note the sarcasm please as we are all aware of the sexual deviance advocated by the Labour Party, I wouldn't want ant of the appeasers of child molesters to get the wrong idea!)
I personally have neither the time nor inclination to sit on comment pages arguing semantics with people who will argue for the sake of arguing.
I simply wanted to post here today to thank all the misguided, self opinionated, arrogant, egotistical cretins who have done so much to try and blacken the good name of our cause...............
......for all of the added exposure you are helping to provide for a cause you disagree with.......
The irony is wonderful so please keep up the good work my little lefty puppets, please continue with your lies and allegations........t
here is no such thing as bad publicity you silly people!!!
To see my name in print and the causes I stand for emboldened along side it always fill me with a heartfelt joy. The fact that so many ultra liberal left wing advocates seem to have acquired a deep fascination with me gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside ( note the sarcasm please as we are all aware of the sexual deviance advocated by the Labour Party, I wouldn't want ant of the appeasers of child molesters to get the wrong idea!) I personally have neither the time nor inclination to sit on comment pages arguing semantics with people who will argue for the sake of arguing. I simply wanted to post here today to thank all the misguided, self opinionated, arrogant, egotistical cretins who have done so much to try and blacken the good name of our cause............... ......for all of the added exposure you are helping to provide for a cause you disagree with....... The irony is wonderful so please keep up the good work my little lefty puppets, please continue with your lies and allegations........t here is no such thing as bad publicity you silly people!!! Brynmorgan
  • Score: 4

9:38am Tue 1 Jul 14

StopwiththeBS says...

Brynmorgan wrote:
To see my name in print and the causes I stand for emboldened along side it always fill me with a heartfelt joy.
The fact that so many ultra liberal left wing advocates seem to have acquired a deep fascination with me gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside ( note the sarcasm please as we are all aware of the sexual deviance advocated by the Labour Party, I wouldn't want ant of the appeasers of child molesters to get the wrong idea!)
I personally have neither the time nor inclination to sit on comment pages arguing semantics with people who will argue for the sake of arguing.
I simply wanted to post here today to thank all the misguided, self opinionated, arrogant, egotistical cretins who have done so much to try and blacken the good name of our cause...............

......for all of the added exposure you are helping to provide for a cause you disagree with.......
The irony is wonderful so please keep up the good work my little lefty puppets, please continue with your lies and allegations........t

here is no such thing as bad publicity you silly people!!!
You've managed to blacken it yourself purely by association. Nice to see you've shown your face at last. Has Nick let you play out for the day?

Just wondering why, Bryn, if you are so proud of your association with the BNP, EDL and NF - that you have constantly attempted to disguise your association with regards to this campaign? It's always nice to see a man who has courage in his convictions instead of hiding away behind his small-minded goons....

(that was sarcasm by the way. Two can play that game)

And also - have Britain First agreed to back your run for MP next year?

I think you overestimate how much actual 'support' you have from the people of Bolton.

Just out of interest, can you detail what you plan is to prevent the so called islamification of Britain?
[quote][p][bold]Brynmorgan[/bold] wrote: To see my name in print and the causes I stand for emboldened along side it always fill me with a heartfelt joy. The fact that so many ultra liberal left wing advocates seem to have acquired a deep fascination with me gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside ( note the sarcasm please as we are all aware of the sexual deviance advocated by the Labour Party, I wouldn't want ant of the appeasers of child molesters to get the wrong idea!) I personally have neither the time nor inclination to sit on comment pages arguing semantics with people who will argue for the sake of arguing. I simply wanted to post here today to thank all the misguided, self opinionated, arrogant, egotistical cretins who have done so much to try and blacken the good name of our cause............... ......for all of the added exposure you are helping to provide for a cause you disagree with....... The irony is wonderful so please keep up the good work my little lefty puppets, please continue with your lies and allegations........t here is no such thing as bad publicity you silly people!!![/p][/quote]You've managed to blacken it yourself purely by association. Nice to see you've shown your face at last. Has Nick let you play out for the day? Just wondering why, Bryn, if you are so proud of your association with the BNP, EDL and NF - that you have constantly attempted to disguise your association with regards to this campaign? It's always nice to see a man who has courage in his convictions instead of hiding away behind his small-minded goons.... (that was sarcasm by the way. Two can play that game) And also - have Britain First agreed to back your run for MP next year? I think you overestimate how much actual 'support' you have from the people of Bolton. Just out of interest, can you detail what you plan is to prevent the so called islamification of Britain? StopwiththeBS
  • Score: -3

10:49am Tue 1 Jul 14

wsw69 says...

Brynmorgan wrote:
To see my name in print and the causes I stand for emboldened along side it always fill me with a heartfelt joy.
The fact that so many ultra liberal left wing advocates seem to have acquired a deep fascination with me gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside ( note the sarcasm please as we are all aware of the sexual deviance advocated by the Labour Party, I wouldn't want ant of the appeasers of child molesters to get the wrong idea!)
I personally have neither the time nor inclination to sit on comment pages arguing semantics with people who will argue for the sake of arguing.
I simply wanted to post here today to thank all the misguided, self opinionated, arrogant, egotistical cretins who have done so much to try and blacken the good name of our cause...............

......for all of the added exposure you are helping to provide for a cause you disagree with.......
The irony is wonderful so please keep up the good work my little lefty puppets, please continue with your lies and allegations........t

here is no such thing as bad publicity you silly people!!!
You are very full of your self preaching. No one who would have been more than 10 feet away from you could hear what you were saying on Sunday.

If you were in a majority then the clown hall square would have been inaccessible with supporters. Visibly that was not the case.

I'm against the mosque, and the popping up of them left right and centre for the reason it's not a level playing field. As proven by Bolton Clowncil in various gross planning applications being passed that have been featured in this rag of a snoozepaper over the last 12 months.

You really are in cloud cuckoo land, you looked bl00dy pathetic on Sunday and, if you call those that attended and shown up to give you 'support' in the town hall square, then they have publicly shown for themselves for what they really are.

The majority I could hear talking amongst themselves in the 35 - 40 minutes I was there really thought you were spouting racist tripe, and I'd agree.

Any way, each to their own.
[quote][p][bold]Brynmorgan[/bold] wrote: To see my name in print and the causes I stand for emboldened along side it always fill me with a heartfelt joy. The fact that so many ultra liberal left wing advocates seem to have acquired a deep fascination with me gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside ( note the sarcasm please as we are all aware of the sexual deviance advocated by the Labour Party, I wouldn't want ant of the appeasers of child molesters to get the wrong idea!) I personally have neither the time nor inclination to sit on comment pages arguing semantics with people who will argue for the sake of arguing. I simply wanted to post here today to thank all the misguided, self opinionated, arrogant, egotistical cretins who have done so much to try and blacken the good name of our cause............... ......for all of the added exposure you are helping to provide for a cause you disagree with....... The irony is wonderful so please keep up the good work my little lefty puppets, please continue with your lies and allegations........t here is no such thing as bad publicity you silly people!!![/p][/quote]You are very full of your self preaching. No one who would have been more than 10 feet away from you could hear what you were saying on Sunday. If you were in a majority then the clown hall square would have been inaccessible with supporters. Visibly that was not the case. I'm against the mosque, and the popping up of them left right and centre for the reason it's not a level playing field. As proven by Bolton Clowncil in various gross planning applications being passed that have been featured in this rag of a snoozepaper over the last 12 months. You really are in cloud cuckoo land, you looked bl00dy pathetic on Sunday and, if you call those that attended and shown up to give you 'support' in the town hall square, then they have publicly shown for themselves for what they really are. The majority I could hear talking amongst themselves in the 35 - 40 minutes I was there really thought you were spouting racist tripe, and I'd agree. Any way, each to their own. wsw69
  • Score: 7

11:05am Tue 1 Jul 14

StopwiththeBS says...

wsw69 wrote:
Brynmorgan wrote:
To see my name in print and the causes I stand for emboldened along side it always fill me with a heartfelt joy.
The fact that so many ultra liberal left wing advocates seem to have acquired a deep fascination with me gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside ( note the sarcasm please as we are all aware of the sexual deviance advocated by the Labour Party, I wouldn't want ant of the appeasers of child molesters to get the wrong idea!)
I personally have neither the time nor inclination to sit on comment pages arguing semantics with people who will argue for the sake of arguing.
I simply wanted to post here today to thank all the misguided, self opinionated, arrogant, egotistical cretins who have done so much to try and blacken the good name of our cause...............


......for all of the added exposure you are helping to provide for a cause you disagree with.......
The irony is wonderful so please keep up the good work my little lefty puppets, please continue with your lies and allegations........t


here is no such thing as bad publicity you silly people!!!
You are very full of your self preaching. No one who would have been more than 10 feet away from you could hear what you were saying on Sunday.

If you were in a majority then the clown hall square would have been inaccessible with supporters. Visibly that was not the case.

I'm against the mosque, and the popping up of them left right and centre for the reason it's not a level playing field. As proven by Bolton Clowncil in various gross planning applications being passed that have been featured in this rag of a snoozepaper over the last 12 months.

You really are in cloud cuckoo land, you looked bl00dy pathetic on Sunday and, if you call those that attended and shown up to give you 'support' in the town hall square, then they have publicly shown for themselves for what they really are.

The majority I could hear talking amongst themselves in the 35 - 40 minutes I was there really thought you were spouting racist tripe, and I'd agree.

Any way, each to their own.
Whilst i disagree with much of what you say - I can only agree that Bryn has pounced on this opportunity for his own ends and has totally undermined the valid concerns of many people across the town.

You'll never have any real power Bryn. Give it up as a bad do. Its just you and your mates running around playing Third Reich.
[quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brynmorgan[/bold] wrote: To see my name in print and the causes I stand for emboldened along side it always fill me with a heartfelt joy. The fact that so many ultra liberal left wing advocates seem to have acquired a deep fascination with me gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside ( note the sarcasm please as we are all aware of the sexual deviance advocated by the Labour Party, I wouldn't want ant of the appeasers of child molesters to get the wrong idea!) I personally have neither the time nor inclination to sit on comment pages arguing semantics with people who will argue for the sake of arguing. I simply wanted to post here today to thank all the misguided, self opinionated, arrogant, egotistical cretins who have done so much to try and blacken the good name of our cause............... ......for all of the added exposure you are helping to provide for a cause you disagree with....... The irony is wonderful so please keep up the good work my little lefty puppets, please continue with your lies and allegations........t here is no such thing as bad publicity you silly people!!![/p][/quote]You are very full of your self preaching. No one who would have been more than 10 feet away from you could hear what you were saying on Sunday. If you were in a majority then the clown hall square would have been inaccessible with supporters. Visibly that was not the case. I'm against the mosque, and the popping up of them left right and centre for the reason it's not a level playing field. As proven by Bolton Clowncil in various gross planning applications being passed that have been featured in this rag of a snoozepaper over the last 12 months. You really are in cloud cuckoo land, you looked bl00dy pathetic on Sunday and, if you call those that attended and shown up to give you 'support' in the town hall square, then they have publicly shown for themselves for what they really are. The majority I could hear talking amongst themselves in the 35 - 40 minutes I was there really thought you were spouting racist tripe, and I'd agree. Any way, each to their own.[/p][/quote]Whilst i disagree with much of what you say - I can only agree that Bryn has pounced on this opportunity for his own ends and has totally undermined the valid concerns of many people across the town. You'll never have any real power Bryn. Give it up as a bad do. Its just you and your mates running around playing Third Reich. StopwiththeBS
  • Score: -2

12:56pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Comment777 says...

StopwiththeBS wrote:
Comment777 wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
waynagain wrote:
When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.
This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray.

For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.
What is so wrong with staying at home to pray? You need a special building?With a separate entrance for women?

Now, let us imagine what would happen if a national supermarket implemented such requirements...
OH so I guess you are all for stopping the Church on Chorley New road from bing built too then?

Again. this country is built on freedom. FREEDOM. that's why this country is great. you cant protect those freedoms by taking them away from everyone you don't like because "they're all really extreme in Saudi Arabia and it might spread here one day"

You talk about educating muslims. Maybe you should stop advocating the destruction of their faith and they'll start actually listening to what you have to say
1. NO

2. NO IT IS NOT

3. Never
[quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waynagain[/bold] wrote: When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.[/p][/quote]This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray. For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.[/p][/quote]What is so wrong with staying at home to pray? You need a special building?With a separate entrance for women? Now, let us imagine what would happen if a national supermarket implemented such requirements...[/p][/quote]OH so I guess you are all for stopping the Church on Chorley New road from bing built too then? Again. this country is built on freedom. FREEDOM. that's why this country is great. you cant protect those freedoms by taking them away from everyone you don't like because "they're all really extreme in Saudi Arabia and it might spread here one day" You talk about educating muslims. Maybe you should stop advocating the destruction of their faith and they'll start actually listening to what you have to say[/p][/quote]1. NO 2. NO IT IS NOT 3. Never Comment777
  • Score: -1

1:00pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Comment777 says...

StopwiththeBS wrote:
Comment777 wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
And for the record 'facism' has been banded about so often now that it has actually lost all real meaning and just used by people to describe an ideology they don't approve of. I prefer to draw direct and exact comparisons with peoples viewpoints to back up my point. Yours has a number of very real and direct comparisons with National Socialism.

do I think what happens in Islamic states is right? No - not at all. But we arent in islamic states. The vast majority of people in Great Britain just want to get on with their lives in a country where we are all afforded the same freedoms. Their are, however, minorities - MOST of them being white - who want to fundamentally change the way our country works based purely on fear and hatred.

Since when has oppressing any community resulted in anything good?
I can quote many from the last one hundred years, but unfortunately political correctness and the threat of losing one's liberty preclude one from doing so. The problem with most oppression is that it fails in its intended purpose, that being to eliminate completely all members of an oppressed community thus allowing it to re-establish itself and once again become a problem.
So to summarise - you are all for discriminating and oppressing specific groups of people as long as it results in a final solution?
So long as it results in a safer, corruption free, gender equality based community...
[quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: And for the record 'facism' has been banded about so often now that it has actually lost all real meaning and just used by people to describe an ideology they don't approve of. I prefer to draw direct and exact comparisons with peoples viewpoints to back up my point. Yours has a number of very real and direct comparisons with National Socialism. do I think what happens in Islamic states is right? No - not at all. But we arent in islamic states. The vast majority of people in Great Britain just want to get on with their lives in a country where we are all afforded the same freedoms. Their are, however, minorities - MOST of them being white - who want to fundamentally change the way our country works based purely on fear and hatred. Since when has oppressing any community resulted in anything good?[/p][/quote]I can quote many from the last one hundred years, but unfortunately political correctness and the threat of losing one's liberty preclude one from doing so. The problem with most oppression is that it fails in its intended purpose, that being to eliminate completely all members of an oppressed community thus allowing it to re-establish itself and once again become a problem.[/p][/quote]So to summarise - you are all for discriminating and oppressing specific groups of people as long as it results in a final solution?[/p][/quote]So long as it results in a safer, corruption free, gender equality based community... Comment777
  • Score: 0

1:02pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Comment777 says...

Comment777 wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
waynagain wrote:
When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.
This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray.

For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.
What is so wrong with staying at home to pray? You need a special building?With a separate entrance for women?

Now, let us imagine what would happen if a national supermarket implemented such requirements...
Votes being hijacked by our friends again!
[quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waynagain[/bold] wrote: When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.[/p][/quote]This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray. For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.[/p][/quote]What is so wrong with staying at home to pray? You need a special building?With a separate entrance for women? Now, let us imagine what would happen if a national supermarket implemented such requirements...[/p][/quote]Votes being hijacked by our friends again! Comment777
  • Score: 1

1:04pm Tue 1 Jul 14

StopwiththeBS says...

Comment777 wrote:
Comment777 wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
waynagain wrote:
When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.
This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray.

For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.
What is so wrong with staying at home to pray? You need a special building?With a separate entrance for women?

Now, let us imagine what would happen if a national supermarket implemented such requirements...
Votes being hijacked by our friends again!
Never mind. You're one of the committed isalmophobes that use only the little information you need to support an argument and dismiss any other actual FACTS because they don't support your argument.

Good job the rest of this country is nothing like you.
[quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waynagain[/bold] wrote: When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.[/p][/quote]This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray. For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.[/p][/quote]What is so wrong with staying at home to pray? You need a special building?With a separate entrance for women? Now, let us imagine what would happen if a national supermarket implemented such requirements...[/p][/quote]Votes being hijacked by our friends again![/p][/quote]Never mind. You're one of the committed isalmophobes that use only the little information you need to support an argument and dismiss any other actual FACTS because they don't support your argument. Good job the rest of this country is nothing like you. StopwiththeBS
  • Score: -2

1:26pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Comment777 says...

Rivertin wrote:
I think I must have caused some confusion in previous posts in how I worded them, some of my points were.

1) Are there any groups out there who are getting a petition together for those people who wish to have extra mosques/or certain mosques improved and extended?

2) Just because I feel threatened by a group of people does not mean they have intentions of threatening me.
Petitions for Mosques are not needed. Those who propose building them are guaranteed permission to do so. All ones sided this democratic planning process
[quote][p][bold]Rivertin[/bold] wrote: I think I must have caused some confusion in previous posts in how I worded them, some of my points were. 1) Are there any groups out there who are getting a petition together for those people who wish to have extra mosques/or certain mosques improved and extended? 2) Just because I feel threatened by a group of people does not mean they have intentions of threatening me.[/p][/quote]Petitions for Mosques are not needed. Those who propose building them are guaranteed permission to do so. All ones sided this democratic planning process Comment777
  • Score: 4

1:30pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Comment777 says...

StopwiththeBS wrote:
Comment777 wrote:
Comment777 wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
waynagain wrote:
When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.
This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray.

For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.
What is so wrong with staying at home to pray? You need a special building?With a separate entrance for women?

Now, let us imagine what would happen if a national supermarket implemented such requirements...
Votes being hijacked by our friends again!
Never mind. You're one of the committed isalmophobes that use only the little information you need to support an argument and dismiss any other actual FACTS because they don't support your argument.

Good job the rest of this country is nothing like you.
Unfortunately, for the country (UK) most people are like you!

Ignorance is bliss...
[quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waynagain[/bold] wrote: When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.[/p][/quote]This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray. For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.[/p][/quote]What is so wrong with staying at home to pray? You need a special building?With a separate entrance for women? Now, let us imagine what would happen if a national supermarket implemented such requirements...[/p][/quote]Votes being hijacked by our friends again![/p][/quote]Never mind. You're one of the committed isalmophobes that use only the little information you need to support an argument and dismiss any other actual FACTS because they don't support your argument. Good job the rest of this country is nothing like you.[/p][/quote]Unfortunately, for the country (UK) most people are like you! Ignorance is bliss... Comment777
  • Score: 1

2:26pm Tue 1 Jul 14

Youareatool says...

"Michael Birchall, aged 44, from "Farnworth" said: “They just put mosques up without caring about the local area, and nobody gets a chance to object. "


Your not even from Astley bridge

David Whittle, aged 46, from Westhoughton, added: “Once there is a mosque there, the Muslims take over that area.

Muslims already live in that area and there is a mosque already there, for gods sake.

WOW
"Michael Birchall, aged 44, from "Farnworth" said: “They just put mosques up without caring about the local area, and nobody gets a chance to object. " Your not even from Astley bridge David Whittle, aged 46, from Westhoughton, added: “Once there is a mosque there, the Muslims take over that area. Muslims already live in that area and there is a mosque already there, for gods sake. WOW Youareatool
  • Score: -1

2:56pm Tue 1 Jul 14

waynagain says...

Voter registration and Census are different. More than 50% of people who fill out the Census don't vote. People who register to vote do so because they intend to vote, and the elected officials who impliment these decisions would be more likely to listen to the people who elected them. All new construction should be based on need and knowing what percentage of the voting population's requirements are. ALL religious affiliated businesses - whether Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu etc should be liable to pay taxes and you would soon see a decline in applications for new construction. Allowing places of worship to be Tax Exempt should be repealed. It's an antiquated rule - just like when the Queen didn't pay taxes, which she does now, and the revenue gathered from those taxes would help the country.
Voter registration and Census are different. More than 50% of people who fill out the Census don't vote. People who register to vote do so because they intend to vote, and the elected officials who impliment these decisions would be more likely to listen to the people who elected them. All new construction should be based on need and knowing what percentage of the voting population's requirements are. ALL religious affiliated businesses - whether Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu etc should be liable to pay taxes and you would soon see a decline in applications for new construction. Allowing places of worship to be Tax Exempt should be repealed. It's an antiquated rule - just like when the Queen didn't pay taxes, which she does now, and the revenue gathered from those taxes would help the country. waynagain
  • Score: 3

5:08pm Tue 1 Jul 14

TilerJ says...

Just like the very small protest the Saturday before where there were no more than 25 people, this was another staging ground for the Bigots, Nazis and Paedophiles Party to shout their vile abuse. This is no more than Islamophobia and pure hatred. I've never seen so many xenophobic comments dressed up as 'traffic issues' before in my life.
Just like the very small protest the Saturday before where there were no more than 25 people, this was another staging ground for the Bigots, Nazis and Paedophiles Party to shout their vile abuse. This is no more than Islamophobia and pure hatred. I've never seen so many xenophobic comments dressed up as 'traffic issues' before in my life. TilerJ
  • Score: -9

5:22pm Tue 1 Jul 14

calvin street says...

StopwiththeBS wrote:
calvin street wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
And for the record 'facism' has been banded about so often now that it has actually lost all real meaning and just used by people to describe an ideology they don't approve of. I prefer to draw direct and exact comparisons with peoples viewpoints to back up my point. Yours has a number of very real and direct comparisons with National Socialism.

do I think what happens in Islamic states is right? No - not at all. But we arent in islamic states. The vast majority of people in Great Britain just want to get on with their lives in a country where we are all afforded the same freedoms. Their are, however, minorities - MOST of them being white - who want to fundamentally change the way our country works based purely on fear and hatred.

Since when has oppressing any community resulted in anything good?
First things first, GET A JOB
Im told they are looking for travel reps in Syria, Nigeria and Iraq. You sound ready made for the job.
Can you name these and I quote, mostly white minorities who want to change the way our country works.
You are very good with words but very short on FACT.
You keep using the good old race card, the picked on minority.
Which other country in the world has such a small minority got such a large say.
This country has cow toed to the minorities far to much.
Political correctness and Human rights, ideas which when first brought out were fantastic have been abused by the minorities
Regarding oppression, go have a look what islam, the religion of peace, has done in numerous countries in the middle east
1) Typical -suddenly decide that so some with a view based on actual facts isn't employed. How far progressive of you.

2) Britain First, BNP, EDL, National Front, UKIP.

3) FACT - This petition and protest will be disregarded on the basis it focuses on not the planning but the people. FACT - Bryn Morgan, leader of the protest and Facebook group us ashamed of his own extreme vies, hence why he won't openly admit to having them. FACT - 95.2% of the UK population are non-Muslim, therefore the chances of "Islam taking over the UK" are slim to nothing.

4) Never once mentioned the race card. That's your own guilt creeping in. But for the record, discrimination isn't OK regardless of if it's race or religion (also a fact)!

5) minorities get nothing more than the same freedoms afforded to everyone else....usually much less.

5) we are t in Syria, Iraq , Saudi Arabia etc. we are in Britain. Therefore comparisons are as useful as Bryn Morgan at a "not being part of the BNP" contest.

Your turn -

What do we do with a Muslims who refuse to give up the practice of their religion and refuse to leave the (their) country in this world where preventing the worship of is slam us acceptable?
1, How was work today?
2 Race card used again by you. Never once have I mentioned supporting any right ring party.
3 Not interested or involved with Mr Morgan.
Never mentioned islam taking over. You need to read first before replying.
4 Reread some of your quotes re race card
Its not called guilt, its called being a realist.
5 Minorities get a lot more than the average English person.
I have a lot of examples but I will just start you off with this
When seeking benefits and their English is limited they DEMAND a language translator, WHO CHARGES 150 pounds an hour, paid for by every taxpayer in the country FACT
6 We aren't in these countries , thankfully. but you seem to want to be.
Have a walk into Deane, Daubhill after Friday prayers and sometimes you would think you are.
Your last question sums you up, if ,but,when,why.
Are you stalking Mr Morgan , you seem fascinated by him and quote quite a lot about him. I do hope you haven't got secret feelings for him. We all know what our friends at the mosque think of people with those tendencies. That's something else hushed up by the left wing do good brigade.
[quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]calvin street[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: And for the record 'facism' has been banded about so often now that it has actually lost all real meaning and just used by people to describe an ideology they don't approve of. I prefer to draw direct and exact comparisons with peoples viewpoints to back up my point. Yours has a number of very real and direct comparisons with National Socialism. do I think what happens in Islamic states is right? No - not at all. But we arent in islamic states. The vast majority of people in Great Britain just want to get on with their lives in a country where we are all afforded the same freedoms. Their are, however, minorities - MOST of them being white - who want to fundamentally change the way our country works based purely on fear and hatred. Since when has oppressing any community resulted in anything good?[/p][/quote]First things first, GET A JOB Im told they are looking for travel reps in Syria, Nigeria and Iraq. You sound ready made for the job. Can you name these and I quote, mostly white minorities who want to change the way our country works. You are very good with words but very short on FACT. You keep using the good old race card, the picked on minority. Which other country in the world has such a small minority got such a large say. This country has cow toed to the minorities far to much. Political correctness and Human rights, ideas which when first brought out were fantastic have been abused by the minorities Regarding oppression, go have a look what islam, the religion of peace, has done in numerous countries in the middle east[/p][/quote]1) Typical -suddenly decide that so some with a view based on actual facts isn't employed. How far progressive of you. 2) Britain First, BNP, EDL, National Front, UKIP. 3) FACT - This petition and protest will be disregarded on the basis it focuses on not the planning but the people. FACT - Bryn Morgan, leader of the protest and Facebook group us ashamed of his own extreme vies, hence why he won't openly admit to having them. FACT - 95.2% of the UK population are non-Muslim, therefore the chances of "Islam taking over the UK" are slim to nothing. 4) Never once mentioned the race card. That's your own guilt creeping in. But for the record, discrimination isn't OK regardless of if it's race or religion (also a fact)! 5) minorities get nothing more than the same freedoms afforded to everyone else....usually much less. 5) we are t in Syria, Iraq , Saudi Arabia etc. we are in Britain. Therefore comparisons are as useful as Bryn Morgan at a "not being part of the BNP" contest. Your turn - What do we do with a Muslims who refuse to give up the practice of their religion and refuse to leave the (their) country in this world where preventing the worship of is slam us acceptable?[/p][/quote]1, How was work today? 2 Race card used again by you. Never once have I mentioned supporting any right ring party. 3 Not interested or involved with Mr Morgan. Never mentioned islam taking over. You need to read first before replying. 4 Reread some of your quotes re race card Its not called guilt, its called being a realist. 5 Minorities get a lot more than the average English person. I have a lot of examples but I will just start you off with this When seeking benefits and their English is limited they DEMAND a language translator, WHO CHARGES 150 pounds an hour, paid for by every taxpayer in the country FACT 6 We aren't in these countries , thankfully. but you seem to want to be. Have a walk into Deane, Daubhill after Friday prayers and sometimes you would think you are. Your last question sums you up, if ,but,when,why. Are you stalking Mr Morgan , you seem fascinated by him and quote quite a lot about him. I do hope you haven't got secret feelings for him. We all know what our friends at the mosque think of people with those tendencies. That's something else hushed up by the left wing do good brigade. calvin street
  • Score: 1

7:31pm Tue 1 Jul 14

renovatedhouserunner says...

Why is the council giving planning permission for these green onion topped grotesque buildings???? They dominate the area, are much taller than nearby houses. It can't be good if you live opposite the one at the bottom of Elgin st, that building is awful, you wouldn't get planning permission for that building in a residential area if it was used for anything else. Next place will be where arkwrights pub is, Muslims now own it. Muslims are being allowed to take over vast areas of the town, this is not racist, this is fact and if it's true that Bolton council has given £1.1m to help build them then the council should step aside now, they have shut things due to "cutbacks" bought stanstead airport whilst making cutbacks and we as a town and our children are paying for the council to build ridiculous buildings just so Muslims can pray to something which the majority of the town don't believe in. Bolton council needs to have a good think about what is right and wrong.
Why is the council giving planning permission for these green onion topped grotesque buildings???? They dominate the area, are much taller than nearby houses. It can't be good if you live opposite the one at the bottom of Elgin st, that building is awful, you wouldn't get planning permission for that building in a residential area if it was used for anything else. Next place will be where arkwrights pub is, Muslims now own it. Muslims are being allowed to take over vast areas of the town, this is not racist, this is fact and if it's true that Bolton council has given £1.1m to help build them then the council should step aside now, they have shut things due to "cutbacks" bought stanstead airport whilst making cutbacks and we as a town and our children are paying for the council to build ridiculous buildings just so Muslims can pray to something which the majority of the town don't believe in. Bolton council needs to have a good think about what is right and wrong. renovatedhouserunner
  • Score: 6

10:26pm Tue 1 Jul 14

cath05 says...

You know I have lived in halliwell all my life I lived in draycott st and in the early 80s I was pround to say I lived there now it is a disgrace. And I signed the petition on sat and I was in no way threatened into signing. They have I beleive enough sinitures its time they listned to what we want. There are churches in need of funding but they get no help if the muslim comunity bought our churches the would get even more funding it is just not right if they want to prey do it at the bedside as we do abd our children do before we go to bed.
You know I have lived in halliwell all my life I lived in draycott st and in the early 80s I was pround to say I lived there now it is a disgrace. And I signed the petition on sat and I was in no way threatened into signing. They have I beleive enough sinitures its time they listned to what we want. There are churches in need of funding but they get no help if the muslim comunity bought our churches the would get even more funding it is just not right if they want to prey do it at the bedside as we do abd our children do before we go to bed. cath05
  • Score: 0

10:33pm Tue 1 Jul 14

DAUBHILL85 says...

What has this town and country turned into = AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE. What will it be like in 10 more years = UNRECOGNISABLE.
I hope I'm not around, just think what future the next generations will have to put up with, take a look at sunninghill school through the railings at playtime and the new one on bobby heywoods park, god help us all.
What has this town and country turned into = AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE. What will it be like in 10 more years = UNRECOGNISABLE. I hope I'm not around, just think what future the next generations will have to put up with, take a look at sunninghill school through the railings at playtime and the new one on bobby heywoods park, god help us all. DAUBHILL85
  • Score: 2

9:36am Wed 2 Jul 14

waynagain says...

Interesting story on the BBC website about a guy from Bolton taking supplies to Syria. He also had 25,000 pounds in cash. He is not part of any registered charity, so where did the money come from? Apparently it's not the first time he's done this. Next time any of you go abroad, try taking 25,000 pounds with you and see what happens!!! Unless he can prove who donated the money to his 'non existant charity' - names and adresses please - then the money should be confiscated.
Interesting story on the BBC website about a guy from Bolton taking supplies to Syria. He also had 25,000 pounds in cash. He is not part of any registered charity, so where did the money come from? Apparently it's not the first time he's done this. Next time any of you go abroad, try taking 25,000 pounds with you and see what happens!!! Unless he can prove who donated the money to his 'non existant charity' - names and adresses please - then the money should be confiscated. waynagain
  • Score: 5

9:57am Wed 2 Jul 14

Lawlesschat says...

Jerry cruncher wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
Jerry cruncher wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
waynagain wrote:
When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.
This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray.

For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.
The stupidity of those appeasing the most dangerous,barbaric,f



ascistic ideology on the planet baffles me,why would any right minded,logical person,think encouraging an ideology that is currently engaged in such barbarous activities around the world is a good idea? If we have so much trouble from them now when they make up 4.8% of the population just think of the problems we will face in the future when they make up 10,20% of the population? If we don't act now the future of this country is going to be extremely bleak.
You know that the 4.8% of Muslims don't actually want to live in an islamic state don't you? In fact most of them were either born here and fully identify with being British or fled islamic countries as a result of the lack of progressive thinking within them.

Jesus - stop with the fear mongering. Are you seriously advocating a Nazi-ish eradication of an entire community?
You seem to be saying that not one of the 4.8% of Muslims living in this country wants to live in an Islamic state? Also that they fully identify with being British? If this is true how do you account for the high % of the Islamic community who would like to see sharia law introduced in the UK? Or those that have left the UK to take part in Jihad? Or our homegrown terrorists? It's interesting that you mention Nazis,you do realise Islamists are fascists? I've never understood why so many with far-left political views support their ideological opposites,it's either through stupidity,ignorance or hatred of their own country,people and culture.
What element of Islam is fascist may I ask?

If like you to quote specific facts concerning Islam, not Mumbo jumbo trash which some half Witt right winged nut has written without any basis or substanance.

This should be really interesting and please please please, do not copy and paste from the Wikipedia link when you google search it? I will intellectually annaialate you to shreds if you do.
[quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jerry cruncher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waynagain[/bold] wrote: When people register to vote they should have the chance to put down their religious affiliation. Places of worship should then be allocated based on need and percentage of people who follow whatever religion.[/p][/quote]This is what a census is for. This particular mosque is being built in an area that has a high percentage of Muslims in the community. They're not building it because "we want it bigger" - they're building it because they need to increase capacity to people aren't having to stay home to pray. For the record 4.8% of the UK population identify as 'Muslim' If people are feeling threatened by 4.8% of the population - the majority of which go about their lives peaceful and advocate peace - then they really need to evaluate their lives.[/p][/quote]The stupidity of those appeasing the most dangerous,barbaric,f ascistic ideology on the planet baffles me,why would any right minded,logical person,think encouraging an ideology that is currently engaged in such barbarous activities around the world is a good idea? If we have so much trouble from them now when they make up 4.8% of the population just think of the problems we will face in the future when they make up 10,20% of the population? If we don't act now the future of this country is going to be extremely bleak.[/p][/quote]You know that the 4.8% of Muslims don't actually want to live in an islamic state don't you? In fact most of them were either born here and fully identify with being British or fled islamic countries as a result of the lack of progressive thinking within them. Jesus - stop with the fear mongering. Are you seriously advocating a Nazi-ish eradication of an entire community?[/p][/quote]You seem to be saying that not one of the 4.8% of Muslims living in this country wants to live in an Islamic state? Also that they fully identify with being British? If this is true how do you account for the high % of the Islamic community who would like to see sharia law introduced in the UK? Or those that have left the UK to take part in Jihad? Or our homegrown terrorists? It's interesting that you mention Nazis,you do realise Islamists are fascists? I've never understood why so many with far-left political views support their ideological opposites,it's either through stupidity,ignorance or hatred of their own country,people and culture.[/p][/quote]What element of Islam is fascist may I ask? If like you to quote specific facts concerning Islam, not Mumbo jumbo trash which some half Witt right winged nut has written without any basis or substanance. This should be really interesting and please please please, do not copy and paste from the Wikipedia link when you google search it? I will intellectually annaialate you to shreds if you do. Lawlesschat
  • Score: 0

10:04am Wed 2 Jul 14

Lawlesschat says...

waynagain wrote:
Interesting story on the BBC website about a guy from Bolton taking supplies to Syria. He also had 25,000 pounds in cash. He is not part of any registered charity, so where did the money come from? Apparently it's not the first time he's done this. Next time any of you go abroad, try taking 25,000 pounds with you and see what happens!!! Unless he can prove who donated the money to his 'non existant charity' - names and adresses please - then the money should be confiscated.
Interesting indeed, there was a huge effort taking place around the whole country collecting either food or monetary charity, this was taking place in most towns and cities up and down this country.
The cash was collected as a result of donations given to the people organising the charity events and yes, you are right, most of them were not registered charities. This was done to ensure that some of the most needy people (those in the refugee camps on the Turkey / Syrian boarder received the aid rather than a huge percentage of it being wasted on other aspects.,
The idea concerning taking cash over to Turkey was on the basis that they could buy food and medical supplies from Turkey, this saving on the cost of containers you'd need if you transported the stock from the UK.

I hope this answers your question.
[quote][p][bold]waynagain[/bold] wrote: Interesting story on the BBC website about a guy from Bolton taking supplies to Syria. He also had 25,000 pounds in cash. He is not part of any registered charity, so where did the money come from? Apparently it's not the first time he's done this. Next time any of you go abroad, try taking 25,000 pounds with you and see what happens!!! Unless he can prove who donated the money to his 'non existant charity' - names and adresses please - then the money should be confiscated.[/p][/quote]Interesting indeed, there was a huge effort taking place around the whole country collecting either food or monetary charity, this was taking place in most towns and cities up and down this country. The cash was collected as a result of donations given to the people organising the charity events and yes, you are right, most of them were not registered charities. This was done to ensure that some of the most needy people (those in the refugee camps on the Turkey / Syrian boarder received the aid rather than a huge percentage of it being wasted on other aspects., The idea concerning taking cash over to Turkey was on the basis that they could buy food and medical supplies from Turkey, this saving on the cost of containers you'd need if you transported the stock from the UK. I hope this answers your question. Lawlesschat
  • Score: 3

10:14am Wed 2 Jul 14

Lawlesschat says...

DAUBHILL85 wrote:
What has this town and country turned into = AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE. What will it be like in 10 more years = UNRECOGNISABLE.
I hope I'm not around, just think what future the next generations will have to put up with, take a look at sunninghill school through the railings at playtime and the new one on bobby heywoods park, god help us all.
If the local white population sent their children to Sunninghill school rather than pull them from it because some brown faces appeared then you'd not have the issue you are raising right now.
Understand that the ethnic minorities are exactly that, minorities in the town.
It is owing to vast hysteria and needless fear that such things occur.
I think the term used for it is 'white fright'.
I think it is a disgrace that the indigenous population is allowed to send their children to schools not within their catchment area because of fear that they may integrate with kids of other origins and religious backgrounds.
Shame on you I say.
[quote][p][bold]DAUBHILL85[/bold] wrote: What has this town and country turned into = AN ABSOLUTE DISGRACE. What will it be like in 10 more years = UNRECOGNISABLE. I hope I'm not around, just think what future the next generations will have to put up with, take a look at sunninghill school through the railings at playtime and the new one on bobby heywoods park, god help us all.[/p][/quote]If the local white population sent their children to Sunninghill school rather than pull them from it because some brown faces appeared then you'd not have the issue you are raising right now. Understand that the ethnic minorities are exactly that, minorities in the town. It is owing to vast hysteria and needless fear that such things occur. I think the term used for it is 'white fright'. I think it is a disgrace that the indigenous population is allowed to send their children to schools not within their catchment area because of fear that they may integrate with kids of other origins and religious backgrounds. Shame on you I say. Lawlesschat
  • Score: 2

10:26am Wed 2 Jul 14

Lawlesschat says...

cath05 wrote:
You know I have lived in halliwell all my life I lived in draycott st and in the early 80s I was pround to say I lived there now it is a disgrace. And I signed the petition on sat and I was in no way threatened into signing. They have I beleive enough sinitures its time they listned to what we want. There are churches in need of funding but they get no help if the muslim comunity bought our churches the would get even more funding it is just not right if they want to prey do it at the bedside as we do abd our children do before we go to bed.
Your post is full of stupidity and contradiction, on one hand you moan about churches not getting fundings, suggesting you are upset by it and believe they should and then you suggest Muslims pray snd stay at home?
Who exactly are you tell anyone how to pray?
Have a right good look around you sweetheart, Muslims are a active in aspects of British culture and society, from doctor to lawyers from builders to cashiers in supermarkets. They pay their dues in taxes and the National insurance.
Their ancestors died in the wars to protect this country from the Germans and this is how you treat them?

You are nothing less than a discgrave to the very notion of Britishness.

I suggest of you want fundings for a church, you begin to attend and have many others follow suite. It's not the fault if the Muslim's why the Churches stand derelict and in a bad state of repair ... That is purely down to the people for whom they were built.

By the way, no mosque in Bolton was built through the tax payer, they were built through donations given and collected by the communities which they serve.

It might be an idea that before taking your mouth to the toilet you apply some factual evidence to save yourself the embarrassment.
[quote][p][bold]cath05[/bold] wrote: You know I have lived in halliwell all my life I lived in draycott st and in the early 80s I was pround to say I lived there now it is a disgrace. And I signed the petition on sat and I was in no way threatened into signing. They have I beleive enough sinitures its time they listned to what we want. There are churches in need of funding but they get no help if the muslim comunity bought our churches the would get even more funding it is just not right if they want to prey do it at the bedside as we do abd our children do before we go to bed.[/p][/quote]Your post is full of stupidity and contradiction, on one hand you moan about churches not getting fundings, suggesting you are upset by it and believe they should and then you suggest Muslims pray snd stay at home? Who exactly are you tell anyone how to pray? Have a right good look around you sweetheart, Muslims are a active in aspects of British culture and society, from doctor to lawyers from builders to cashiers in supermarkets. They pay their dues in taxes and the National insurance. Their ancestors died in the wars to protect this country from the Germans and this is how you treat them? You are nothing less than a discgrave to the very notion of Britishness. I suggest of you want fundings for a church, you begin to attend and have many others follow suite. It's not the fault if the Muslim's why the Churches stand derelict and in a bad state of repair ... That is purely down to the people for whom they were built. By the way, no mosque in Bolton was built through the tax payer, they were built through donations given and collected by the communities which they serve. It might be an idea that before taking your mouth to the toilet you apply some factual evidence to save yourself the embarrassment. Lawlesschat
  • Score: 1

10:28am Wed 2 Jul 14

DAUBHILL85 says...

Lawlesschat says... If the local white population sent their children to Sunninghill school rather than pull them from it because some brown faces appeared then you'd not have the issue you are raising right now.

Surely they are allowed to send their children to whatever school they want for whatever reason !!
I wouldn't want to send mine to any round here I can assure you of that, I'm just sick to death of what this town and country has allowed to happen, which is uncontrolled immigration for 50 years and still continuing, it creates tensions especially round daubhill and deane, and has without doubt put a massive strain on our local services like(schools,doctors
,hospitals,housing, etc,etc)
FACT.
Lawlesschat says... If the local white population sent their children to Sunninghill school rather than pull them from it because some brown faces appeared then you'd not have the issue you are raising right now. Surely they are allowed to send their children to whatever school they want for whatever reason !! I wouldn't want to send mine to any round here I can assure you of that, I'm just sick to death of what this town and country has allowed to happen, which is uncontrolled immigration for 50 years and still continuing, it creates tensions especially round daubhill and deane, and has without doubt put a massive strain on our local services like(schools,doctors ,hospitals,housing, etc,etc) FACT. DAUBHILL85
  • Score: 1

10:38am Wed 2 Jul 14

Lawlesschat says...

calvin street wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
calvin street wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
And for the record 'facism' has been banded about so often now that it has actually lost all real meaning and just used by people to describe an ideology they don't approve of. I prefer to draw direct and exact comparisons with peoples viewpoints to back up my point. Yours has a number of very real and direct comparisons with National Socialism.

do I think what happens in Islamic states is right? No - not at all. But we arent in islamic states. The vast majority of people in Great Britain just want to get on with their lives in a country where we are all afforded the same freedoms. Their are, however, minorities - MOST of them being white - who want to fundamentally change the way our country works based purely on fear and hatred.

Since when has oppressing any community resulted in anything good?
First things first, GET A JOB
Im told they are looking for travel reps in Syria, Nigeria and Iraq. You sound ready made for the job.
Can you name these and I quote, mostly white minorities who want to change the way our country works.
You are very good with words but very short on FACT.
You keep using the good old race card, the picked on minority.
Which other country in the world has such a small minority got such a large say.
This country has cow toed to the minorities far to much.
Political correctness and Human rights, ideas which when first brought out were fantastic have been abused by the minorities
Regarding oppression, go have a look what islam, the religion of peace, has done in numerous countries in the middle east
1) Typical -suddenly decide that so some with a view based on actual facts isn't employed. How far progressive of you.

2) Britain First, BNP, EDL, National Front, UKIP.

3) FACT - This petition and protest will be disregarded on the basis it focuses on not the planning but the people. FACT - Bryn Morgan, leader of the protest and Facebook group us ashamed of his own extreme vies, hence why he won't openly admit to having them. FACT - 95.2% of the UK population are non-Muslim, therefore the chances of "Islam taking over the UK" are slim to nothing.

4) Never once mentioned the race card. That's your own guilt creeping in. But for the record, discrimination isn't OK regardless of if it's race or religion (also a fact)!

5) minorities get nothing more than the same freedoms afforded to everyone else....usually much less.

5) we are t in Syria, Iraq , Saudi Arabia etc. we are in Britain. Therefore comparisons are as useful as Bryn Morgan at a "not being part of the BNP" contest.

Your turn -

What do we do with a Muslims who refuse to give up the practice of their religion and refuse to leave the (their) country in this world where preventing the worship of is slam us acceptable?
1, How was work today?
2 Race card used again by you. Never once have I mentioned supporting any right ring party.
3 Not interested or involved with Mr Morgan.
Never mentioned islam taking over. You need to read first before replying.
4 Reread some of your quotes re race card
Its not called guilt, its called being a realist.
5 Minorities get a lot more than the average English person.
I have a lot of examples but I will just start you off with this
When seeking benefits and their English is limited they DEMAND a language translator, WHO CHARGES 150 pounds an hour, paid for by every taxpayer in the country FACT
6 We aren't in these countries , thankfully. but you seem to want to be.
Have a walk into Deane, Daubhill after Friday prayers and sometimes you would think you are.
Your last question sums you up, if ,but,when,why.
Are you stalking Mr Morgan , you seem fascinated by him and quote quite a lot about him. I do hope you haven't got secret feelings for him. We all know what our friends at the mosque think of people with those tendencies. That's something else hushed up by the left wing do good brigade.
What a weak response by Calvin Street.

True to form, offering nothing but complete and utter trash in response to somehow validify his non starter debate.

Go back to bed you oxygen theif.
[quote][p][bold]calvin street[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]calvin street[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: And for the record 'facism' has been banded about so often now that it has actually lost all real meaning and just used by people to describe an ideology they don't approve of. I prefer to draw direct and exact comparisons with peoples viewpoints to back up my point. Yours has a number of very real and direct comparisons with National Socialism. do I think what happens in Islamic states is right? No - not at all. But we arent in islamic states. The vast majority of people in Great Britain just want to get on with their lives in a country where we are all afforded the same freedoms. Their are, however, minorities - MOST of them being white - who want to fundamentally change the way our country works based purely on fear and hatred. Since when has oppressing any community resulted in anything good?[/p][/quote]First things first, GET A JOB Im told they are looking for travel reps in Syria, Nigeria and Iraq. You sound ready made for the job. Can you name these and I quote, mostly white minorities who want to change the way our country works. You are very good with words but very short on FACT. You keep using the good old race card, the picked on minority. Which other country in the world has such a small minority got such a large say. This country has cow toed to the minorities far to much. Political correctness and Human rights, ideas which when first brought out were fantastic have been abused by the minorities Regarding oppression, go have a look what islam, the religion of peace, has done in numerous countries in the middle east[/p][/quote]1) Typical -suddenly decide that so some with a view based on actual facts isn't employed. How far progressive of you. 2) Britain First, BNP, EDL, National Front, UKIP. 3) FACT - This petition and protest will be disregarded on the basis it focuses on not the planning but the people. FACT - Bryn Morgan, leader of the protest and Facebook group us ashamed of his own extreme vies, hence why he won't openly admit to having them. FACT - 95.2% of the UK population are non-Muslim, therefore the chances of "Islam taking over the UK" are slim to nothing. 4) Never once mentioned the race card. That's your own guilt creeping in. But for the record, discrimination isn't OK regardless of if it's race or religion (also a fact)! 5) minorities get nothing more than the same freedoms afforded to everyone else....usually much less. 5) we are t in Syria, Iraq , Saudi Arabia etc. we are in Britain. Therefore comparisons are as useful as Bryn Morgan at a "not being part of the BNP" contest. Your turn - What do we do with a Muslims who refuse to give up the practice of their religion and refuse to leave the (their) country in this world where preventing the worship of is slam us acceptable?[/p][/quote]1, How was work today? 2 Race card used again by you. Never once have I mentioned supporting any right ring party. 3 Not interested or involved with Mr Morgan. Never mentioned islam taking over. You need to read first before replying. 4 Reread some of your quotes re race card Its not called guilt, its called being a realist. 5 Minorities get a lot more than the average English person. I have a lot of examples but I will just start you off with this When seeking benefits and their English is limited they DEMAND a language translator, WHO CHARGES 150 pounds an hour, paid for by every taxpayer in the country FACT 6 We aren't in these countries , thankfully. but you seem to want to be. Have a walk into Deane, Daubhill after Friday prayers and sometimes you would think you are. Your last question sums you up, if ,but,when,why. Are you stalking Mr Morgan , you seem fascinated by him and quote quite a lot about him. I do hope you haven't got secret feelings for him. We all know what our friends at the mosque think of people with those tendencies. That's something else hushed up by the left wing do good brigade.[/p][/quote]What a weak response by Calvin Street. True to form, offering nothing but complete and utter trash in response to somehow validify his non starter debate. Go back to bed you oxygen theif. Lawlesschat
  • Score: -3

10:44am Wed 2 Jul 14

Lawlesschat says...

DAUBHILL85 wrote:
Lawlesschat says... If the local white population sent their children to Sunninghill school rather than pull them from it because some brown faces appeared then you'd not have the issue you are raising right now.

Surely they are allowed to send their children to whatever school they want for whatever reason !!
I wouldn't want to send mine to any round here I can assure you of that, I'm just sick to death of what this town and country has allowed to happen, which is uncontrolled immigration for 50 years and still continuing, it creates tensions especially round daubhill and deane, and has without doubt put a massive strain on our local services like(schools,doctors

,hospitals,housing, etc,etc)
FACT.
My point has now been made.

You are blatantly racist as well as incredibly numb.

Immigration has put a strain on local services like doctors ... Wow!!

It's your ilk who are doing that through drugs and alcohol abuse ... It's a given fact that the majority of people not working ... Out of choice and prefer sitting at home all day are white.
Speak to the police, the paramedics, the staff at the hospitals, social services, the benefits office so on and so on ...

It's about time you gave your head a wobble, although I doubt that'll work you seem beyond that too.
[quote][p][bold]DAUBHILL85[/bold] wrote: Lawlesschat says... If the local white population sent their children to Sunninghill school rather than pull them from it because some brown faces appeared then you'd not have the issue you are raising right now. Surely they are allowed to send their children to whatever school they want for whatever reason !! I wouldn't want to send mine to any round here I can assure you of that, I'm just sick to death of what this town and country has allowed to happen, which is uncontrolled immigration for 50 years and still continuing, it creates tensions especially round daubhill and deane, and has without doubt put a massive strain on our local services like(schools,doctors ,hospitals,housing, etc,etc) FACT.[/p][/quote]My point has now been made. You are blatantly racist as well as incredibly numb. Immigration has put a strain on local services like doctors ... Wow!! It's your ilk who are doing that through drugs and alcohol abuse ... It's a given fact that the majority of people not working ... Out of choice and prefer sitting at home all day are white. Speak to the police, the paramedics, the staff at the hospitals, social services, the benefits office so on and so on ... It's about time you gave your head a wobble, although I doubt that'll work you seem beyond that too. Lawlesschat
  • Score: 0

10:56am Wed 2 Jul 14

Lawlesschat says...

DAUBHILL85 wrote:
Lawlesschat says... If the local white population sent their children to Sunninghill school rather than pull them from it because some brown faces appeared then you'd not have the issue you are raising right now.

Surely they are allowed to send their children to whatever school they want for whatever reason !!
I wouldn't want to send mine to any round here I can assure you of that, I'm just sick to death of what this town and country has allowed to happen, which is uncontrolled immigration for 50 years and still continuing, it creates tensions especially round daubhill and deane, and has without doubt put a massive strain on our local services like(schools,doctors

,hospitals,housing, etc,etc)
FACT.
Remember that not so many years ago this country was involved in a campaign of 'spreading the empire' .

Well, the immigration in this country today is merely an effect of that era, one which was enjoyed by your forefathers at the massacre of thousands of people, taking away their liberties to enforce their own rule.

The difference being that the 'immigrant's' in the UK aren't involved the mass slaughter of the indigenous population not are they involved in or bothered with taking over the country as your ancestors once did to many a land across the globe. Maybe a point you want to ponder over before you begin typing again.
[quote][p][bold]DAUBHILL85[/bold] wrote: Lawlesschat says... If the local white population sent their children to Sunninghill school rather than pull them from it because some brown faces appeared then you'd not have the issue you are raising right now. Surely they are allowed to send their children to whatever school they want for whatever reason !! I wouldn't want to send mine to any round here I can assure you of that, I'm just sick to death of what this town and country has allowed to happen, which is uncontrolled immigration for 50 years and still continuing, it creates tensions especially round daubhill and deane, and has without doubt put a massive strain on our local services like(schools,doctors ,hospitals,housing, etc,etc) FACT.[/p][/quote]Remember that not so many years ago this country was involved in a campaign of 'spreading the empire' . Well, the immigration in this country today is merely an effect of that era, one which was enjoyed by your forefathers at the massacre of thousands of people, taking away their liberties to enforce their own rule. The difference being that the 'immigrant's' in the UK aren't involved the mass slaughter of the indigenous population not are they involved in or bothered with taking over the country as your ancestors once did to many a land across the globe. Maybe a point you want to ponder over before you begin typing again. Lawlesschat
  • Score: -1

12:39pm Wed 2 Jul 14

lisa hilton says...

stereo_world wrote:
Glad I left this xenophobic dump of a town. I actually feel embarrassed when I tell people I grew up here.
totally agree with you on that, i left bolton over 6 years ago and came abroad, i have been back to bolton 3 /4 times since fora visit and decided on my last visit i wasnt ever coming back.The place is a mess and everywhere you look there are mosques.!!!! and more people of a different nationality than there are english. good luck with the petition to stop this mosque
[quote][p][bold]stereo_world[/bold] wrote: Glad I left this xenophobic dump of a town. I actually feel embarrassed when I tell people I grew up here.[/p][/quote]totally agree with you on that, i left bolton over 6 years ago and came abroad, i have been back to bolton 3 /4 times since fora visit and decided on my last visit i wasnt ever coming back.The place is a mess and everywhere you look there are mosques.!!!! and more people of a different nationality than there are english. good luck with the petition to stop this mosque lisa hilton
  • Score: 0

1:34pm Wed 2 Jul 14

the hand says...

You left this country and come back three or for Times a year then come on here to voice your views on mosque and immigrants your a fcukin immigrant yourself now you dyke but you are right one thing the town is a Shiite town of drop out eastern European gypsies scum who've come over here to bleed our system dry
You left this country and come back three or for Times a year then come on here to voice your views on mosque and immigrants your a fcukin immigrant yourself now you dyke but you are right one thing the town is a Shiite town of drop out eastern European gypsies scum who've come over here to bleed our system dry the hand
  • Score: 3

1:36pm Wed 2 Jul 14

waynagain says...

Lawlesschat wrote:
waynagain wrote:
Interesting story on the BBC website about a guy from Bolton taking supplies to Syria. He also had 25,000 pounds in cash. He is not part of any registered charity, so where did the money come from? Apparently it's not the first time he's done this. Next time any of you go abroad, try taking 25,000 pounds with you and see what happens!!! Unless he can prove who donated the money to his 'non existant charity' - names and adresses please - then the money should be confiscated.
Interesting indeed, there was a huge effort taking place around the whole country collecting either food or monetary charity, this was taking place in most towns and cities up and down this country.
The cash was collected as a result of donations given to the people organising the charity events and yes, you are right, most of them were not registered charities. This was done to ensure that some of the most needy people (those in the refugee camps on the Turkey / Syrian boarder received the aid rather than a huge percentage of it being wasted on other aspects.,
The idea concerning taking cash over to Turkey was on the basis that they could buy food and medical supplies from Turkey, this saving on the cost of containers you'd need if you transported the stock from the UK.

I hope this answers your question.
It is illegal to take that much cash from one country to another without government approval. This guy did not have that approval and is therefore a criminal, and it would appear that you think it's OK to break the law. How much money did this guy actually collect and from who? Why would ANYBODY give money to an un-registered 'charity'? Police should confiscate the money and donate it to a REAL CHARITY like the Red Cross or Oxfam. Funny that the story is on the BBC website and yet the Bolton News didn't feel it was newsworthy.
[quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waynagain[/bold] wrote: Interesting story on the BBC website about a guy from Bolton taking supplies to Syria. He also had 25,000 pounds in cash. He is not part of any registered charity, so where did the money come from? Apparently it's not the first time he's done this. Next time any of you go abroad, try taking 25,000 pounds with you and see what happens!!! Unless he can prove who donated the money to his 'non existant charity' - names and adresses please - then the money should be confiscated.[/p][/quote]Interesting indeed, there was a huge effort taking place around the whole country collecting either food or monetary charity, this was taking place in most towns and cities up and down this country. The cash was collected as a result of donations given to the people organising the charity events and yes, you are right, most of them were not registered charities. This was done to ensure that some of the most needy people (those in the refugee camps on the Turkey / Syrian boarder received the aid rather than a huge percentage of it being wasted on other aspects., The idea concerning taking cash over to Turkey was on the basis that they could buy food and medical supplies from Turkey, this saving on the cost of containers you'd need if you transported the stock from the UK. I hope this answers your question.[/p][/quote]It is illegal to take that much cash from one country to another without government approval. This guy did not have that approval and is therefore a criminal, and it would appear that you think it's OK to break the law. How much money did this guy actually collect and from who? Why would ANYBODY give money to an un-registered 'charity'? Police should confiscate the money and donate it to a REAL CHARITY like the Red Cross or Oxfam. Funny that the story is on the BBC website and yet the Bolton News didn't feel it was newsworthy. waynagain
  • Score: 1

2:35pm Wed 2 Jul 14

johnnyjackson says...

waynagain wrote:
Lawlesschat wrote:
waynagain wrote:
Interesting story on the BBC website about a guy from Bolton taking supplies to Syria. He also had 25,000 pounds in cash. He is not part of any registered charity, so where did the money come from? Apparently it's not the first time he's done this. Next time any of you go abroad, try taking 25,000 pounds with you and see what happens!!! Unless he can prove who donated the money to his 'non existant charity' - names and adresses please - then the money should be confiscated.
Interesting indeed, there was a huge effort taking place around the whole country collecting either food or monetary charity, this was taking place in most towns and cities up and down this country.
The cash was collected as a result of donations given to the people organising the charity events and yes, you are right, most of them were not registered charities. This was done to ensure that some of the most needy people (those in the refugee camps on the Turkey / Syrian boarder received the aid rather than a huge percentage of it being wasted on other aspects.,
The idea concerning taking cash over to Turkey was on the basis that they could buy food and medical supplies from Turkey, this saving on the cost of containers you'd need if you transported the stock from the UK.

I hope this answers your question.
It is illegal to take that much cash from one country to another without government approval. This guy did not have that approval and is therefore a criminal, and it would appear that you think it's OK to break the law. How much money did this guy actually collect and from who? Why would ANYBODY give money to an un-registered 'charity'? Police should confiscate the money and donate it to a REAL CHARITY like the Red Cross or Oxfam. Funny that the story is on the BBC website and yet the Bolton News didn't feel it was newsworthy.
Real charity like oxfam? You mean those who try to convert everyone to christianity by blackmailing them.

Idiot.
[quote][p][bold]waynagain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waynagain[/bold] wrote: Interesting story on the BBC website about a guy from Bolton taking supplies to Syria. He also had 25,000 pounds in cash. He is not part of any registered charity, so where did the money come from? Apparently it's not the first time he's done this. Next time any of you go abroad, try taking 25,000 pounds with you and see what happens!!! Unless he can prove who donated the money to his 'non existant charity' - names and adresses please - then the money should be confiscated.[/p][/quote]Interesting indeed, there was a huge effort taking place around the whole country collecting either food or monetary charity, this was taking place in most towns and cities up and down this country. The cash was collected as a result of donations given to the people organising the charity events and yes, you are right, most of them were not registered charities. This was done to ensure that some of the most needy people (those in the refugee camps on the Turkey / Syrian boarder received the aid rather than a huge percentage of it being wasted on other aspects., The idea concerning taking cash over to Turkey was on the basis that they could buy food and medical supplies from Turkey, this saving on the cost of containers you'd need if you transported the stock from the UK. I hope this answers your question.[/p][/quote]It is illegal to take that much cash from one country to another without government approval. This guy did not have that approval and is therefore a criminal, and it would appear that you think it's OK to break the law. How much money did this guy actually collect and from who? Why would ANYBODY give money to an un-registered 'charity'? Police should confiscate the money and donate it to a REAL CHARITY like the Red Cross or Oxfam. Funny that the story is on the BBC website and yet the Bolton News didn't feel it was newsworthy.[/p][/quote]Real charity like oxfam? You mean those who try to convert everyone to christianity by blackmailing them. Idiot. johnnyjackson
  • Score: 1

3:43pm Wed 2 Jul 14

ohiogirl says...

Would there be as much protesting if the Anglicans decided to renovate and re-open the Iron Church which is opposite the site of proposed new mosque??
Would there be as much protesting if the Anglicans decided to renovate and re-open the Iron Church which is opposite the site of proposed new mosque?? ohiogirl
  • Score: 1

4:23pm Wed 2 Jul 14

johnnyjackson says...

ohiogirl wrote:
Would there be as much protesting if the Anglicans decided to renovate and re-open the Iron Church which is opposite the site of proposed new mosque??
Absolutely NOT.... No protest at all, apart from maybe from Roman catholics or Jews.
[quote][p][bold]ohiogirl[/bold] wrote: Would there be as much protesting if the Anglicans decided to renovate and re-open the Iron Church which is opposite the site of proposed new mosque??[/p][/quote]Absolutely NOT.... No protest at all, apart from maybe from Roman catholics or Jews. johnnyjackson
  • Score: -3

5:13pm Wed 2 Jul 14

DAUBHILL85 says...

Lawlesschat says... Maybe a point you want to ponder over before you begin typing again.

Well ponder on this depending on your race ? you/or they are not wanted over here never have been, never will be by the majority of us...yes US.
Am I a racist well I suppose I am in a way, what or who has made me this way.. well whoever has allowed all this uncontrolled immigration mainly by muslims over for 40 years or more.
Lawlesschat says... Maybe a point you want to ponder over before you begin typing again. Well ponder on this depending on your race ? you/or they are not wanted over here never have been, never will be by the majority of us...yes US. Am I a racist well I suppose I am in a way, what or who has made me this way.. well whoever has allowed all this uncontrolled immigration mainly by muslims over for 40 years or more. DAUBHILL85
  • Score: 0

8:13pm Wed 2 Jul 14

calvin street says...

Lawlesschat wrote:
calvin street wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
calvin street wrote:
StopwiththeBS wrote:
And for the record 'facism' has been banded about so often now that it has actually lost all real meaning and just used by people to describe an ideology they don't approve of. I prefer to draw direct and exact comparisons with peoples viewpoints to back up my point. Yours has a number of very real and direct comparisons with National Socialism.

do I think what happens in Islamic states is right? No - not at all. But we arent in islamic states. The vast majority of people in Great Britain just want to get on with their lives in a country where we are all afforded the same freedoms. Their are, however, minorities - MOST of them being white - who want to fundamentally change the way our country works based purely on fear and hatred.

Since when has oppressing any community resulted in anything good?
First things first, GET A JOB
Im told they are looking for travel reps in Syria, Nigeria and Iraq. You sound ready made for the job.
Can you name these and I quote, mostly white minorities who want to change the way our country works.
You are very good with words but very short on FACT.
You keep using the good old race card, the picked on minority.
Which other country in the world has such a small minority got such a large say.
This country has cow toed to the minorities far to much.
Political correctness and Human rights, ideas which when first brought out were fantastic have been abused by the minorities
Regarding oppression, go have a look what islam, the religion of peace, has done in numerous countries in the middle east
1) Typical -suddenly decide that so some with a view based on actual facts isn't employed. How far progressive of you.

2) Britain First, BNP, EDL, National Front, UKIP.

3) FACT - This petition and protest will be disregarded on the basis it focuses on not the planning but the people. FACT - Bryn Morgan, leader of the protest and Facebook group us ashamed of his own extreme vies, hence why he won't openly admit to having them. FACT - 95.2% of the UK population are non-Muslim, therefore the chances of "Islam taking over the UK" are slim to nothing.

4) Never once mentioned the race card. That's your own guilt creeping in. But for the record, discrimination isn't OK regardless of if it's race or religion (also a fact)!

5) minorities get nothing more than the same freedoms afforded to everyone else....usually much less.

5) we are t in Syria, Iraq , Saudi Arabia etc. we are in Britain. Therefore comparisons are as useful as Bryn Morgan at a "not being part of the BNP" contest.

Your turn -

What do we do with a Muslims who refuse to give up the practice of their religion and refuse to leave the (their) country in this world where preventing the worship of is slam us acceptable?
1, How was work today?
2 Race card used again by you. Never once have I mentioned supporting any right ring party.
3 Not interested or involved with Mr Morgan.
Never mentioned islam taking over. You need to read first before replying.
4 Reread some of your quotes re race card
Its not called guilt, its called being a realist.
5 Minorities get a lot more than the average English person.
I have a lot of examples but I will just start you off with this
When seeking benefits and their English is limited they DEMAND a language translator, WHO CHARGES 150 pounds an hour, paid for by every taxpayer in the country FACT
6 We aren't in these countries , thankfully. but you seem to want to be.
Have a walk into Deane, Daubhill after Friday prayers and sometimes you would think you are.
Your last question sums you up, if ,but,when,why.
Are you stalking Mr Morgan , you seem fascinated by him and quote quite a lot about him. I do hope you haven't got secret feelings for him. We all know what our friends at the mosque think of people with those tendencies. That's something else hushed up by the left wing do good brigade.
What a weak response by Calvin Street.

True to form, offering nothing but complete and utter trash in response to somehow validify his non starter debate.

Go back to bed you oxygen theif.
CLUELESS PRAT,
no 4 is right, you cannot say it isn't. That's why you reply with namecalling.
I deal in Facts and feel it always necessary to take on the left wing bully boys spewing there s@ite
I answered Mr Bullshits questions and asked him a few back.
He hasn't answered and you obviously cannot.
Never mind once its dark and you've got some food inside you everything will be ok.
There will be a guy shaking a bucket outside outside the mosque later.
Its something to do with a jolly he is going on to Turkey.
Put in what you can .
[quote][p][bold]Lawlesschat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]calvin street[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]calvin street[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StopwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: And for the record 'facism' has been banded about so often now that it has actually lost all real meaning and just used by people to describe an ideology they don't approve of. I prefer to draw direct and exact comparisons with peoples viewpoints to back up my point. Yours has a number of very real and direct comparisons with National Socialism. do I think what happens in Islamic states is right? No - not at all. But we arent in islamic states. The vast majority of people in Great Britain just want to get on with their lives in a country where we are all afforded the same freedoms. Their are, however, minorities - MOST of them being white - who want to fundamentally change the way our country works based purely on fear and hatred. Since when has oppressing any community resulted in anything good?[/p][/quote]First things first, GET A JOB Im told they are looking for travel reps in Syria, Nigeria and Iraq. You sound ready made for the job. Can you name these and I quote, mostly white minorities who want to change the way our country works. You are very good with words but very short on FACT. You keep using the good old race card, the picked on minority. Which other country in the world has such a small minority got such a large say. This country has cow toed to the minorities far to much. Political correctness and Human rights, ideas which when first brought out were fantastic have been abused by the minorities Regarding oppression, go have a look what islam, the religion of peace, has done in numerous countries in the middle east[/p][/quote]1) Typical -suddenly decide that so some with a view based on actual facts isn't employed. How far progressive of you. 2) Britain First, BNP, EDL, National Front, UKIP. 3) FACT - This petition and protest will be disregarded on the basis it focuses on not the planning but the people. FACT - Bryn Morgan, leader of the protest and Facebook group us ashamed of his own extreme vies, hence why he won't openly admit to having them. FACT - 95.2% of the UK population are non-Muslim, therefore the chances of "Islam taking over the UK" are slim to nothing. 4) Never once mentioned the race card. That's your own guilt creeping in. But for the record, discrimination isn't OK regardless of if it's race or religion (also a fact)! 5) minorities get nothing more than the same freedoms afforded to everyone else....usually much less. 5) we are t in Syria, Iraq , Saudi Arabia etc. we are in Britain. Therefore comparisons are as useful as Bryn Morgan at a "not being part of the BNP" contest. Your turn - What do we do with a Muslims who refuse to give up the practice of their religion and refuse to leave the (their) country in this world where preventing the worship of is slam us acceptable?[/p][/quote]1, How was work today? 2 Race card used again by you. Never once have I mentioned supporting any right ring party. 3 Not interested or involved with Mr Morgan. Never mentioned islam taking over. You need to read first before replying. 4 Reread some of your quotes re race card Its not called guilt, its called being a realist. 5 Minorities get a lot more than the average English person. I have a lot of examples but I will just start you off with this When seeking benefits and their English is limited they DEMAND a language translator, WHO CHARGES 150 pounds an hour, paid for by every taxpayer in the country FACT 6 We aren't in these countries , thankfully. but you seem to want to be. Have a walk into Deane, Daubhill after Friday prayers and sometimes you would think you are. Your last question sums you up, if ,but,when,why. Are you stalking Mr Morgan , you seem fascinated by him and quote quite a lot about him. I do hope you haven't got secret feelings for him. We all know what our friends at the mosque think of people with those tendencies. That's something else hushed up by the left wing do good brigade.[/p][/quote]What a weak response by Calvin Street. True to form, offering nothing but complete and utter trash in response to somehow validify his non starter debate. Go back to bed you oxygen theif.[/p][/quote]CLUELESS PRAT, no 4 is right, you cannot say it isn't. That's why you reply with namecalling. I deal in Facts and feel it always necessary to take on the left wing bully boys spewing there s@ite I answered Mr Bullshits questions and asked him a few back. He hasn't answered and you obviously cannot. Never mind once its dark and you've got some food inside you everything will be ok. There will be a guy shaking a bucket outside outside the mosque later. Its something to do with a jolly he is going on to Turkey. Put in what you can . calvin street
  • Score: 0

8:32pm Wed 2 Jul 14

DAUBHILL85 says...

calvin street says... Never mind once its dark and you've got some food inside you everything will be ok.
There will be a guy shaking a bucket outside outside the mosque later.
Its something to do with a jolly he is going on to Turkey.
Put in what you can .

Spot on calvin street... :-)
calvin street says... Never mind once its dark and you've got some food inside you everything will be ok. There will be a guy shaking a bucket outside outside the mosque later. Its something to do with a jolly he is going on to Turkey. Put in what you can . Spot on calvin street... :-) DAUBHILL85
  • Score: -2

11:56am Thu 3 Jul 14

lisa hilton says...

the hand wrote:
You left this country and come back three or for Times a year then come on here to voice your views on mosque and immigrants your a fcukin immigrant yourself now you dyke but you are right one thing the town is a Shiite town of drop out eastern European gypsies scum who've come over here to bleed our system dry
first of all i am not a dyke..and i actually work for a living, not bleeding the system dry as there is no system to bleed dry. i do not sit around the town on my arse and expect the goverment to pay for me, like i witnessed many folk in bolton do.!!!!! they all go to the uk to do exactly that coz they know they will get hand outs..i can have and will have my opinion on this has matter, i used to live around the blackburn road area and have seen it been taken over and frankly looks a disgrace, my father was killed on that road a matter of yards away from where the proposed mosque is to be built, due to build up of traffic and traffic chaos. his killer was "of a different origin" so if i want to put my view on this across I WILL..yours...LEGAL IMMIGRANT.
[quote][p][bold]the hand[/bold] wrote: You left this country and come back three or for Times a year then come on here to voice your views on mosque and immigrants your a fcukin immigrant yourself now you dyke but you are right one thing the town is a Shiite town of drop out eastern European gypsies scum who've come over here to bleed our system dry[/p][/quote]first of all i am not a dyke..and i actually work for a living, not bleeding the system dry as there is no system to bleed dry. i do not sit around the town on my arse and expect the goverment to pay for me, like i witnessed many folk in bolton do.!!!!! they all go to the uk to do exactly that coz they know they will get hand outs..i can have and will have my opinion on this has matter, i used to live around the blackburn road area and have seen it been taken over and frankly looks a disgrace, my father was killed on that road a matter of yards away from where the proposed mosque is to be built, due to build up of traffic and traffic chaos. his killer was "of a different origin" so if i want to put my view on this across I WILL..yours...LEGAL IMMIGRANT. lisa hilton
  • Score: 4

2:30pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Ernagy2 says...

Well the mosque has been approved. IO'm sure the vast majority of you are delighted (not) lol
Well the mosque has been approved. IO'm sure the vast majority of you are delighted (not) lol Ernagy2
  • Score: -2

3:09pm Thu 3 Jul 14

johnnyjackson says...

Ernagy2 wrote:
Well the mosque has been approved. IO'm sure the vast majority of you are delighted (not) lol
Terrible news.
[quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: Well the mosque has been approved. IO'm sure the vast majority of you are delighted (not) lol[/p][/quote]Terrible news. johnnyjackson
  • Score: 1

4:57pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Replytohatersandscum says...

we build what we want we build what we want
approved :-)
approved :-)
approved :-)
we build what we want we build what we want approved :-) approved :-) approved :-) Replytohatersandscum
  • Score: -4

5:56pm Thu 3 Jul 14

DAUBHILL85 says...

There is no such thing as allah or Muhammad. , and the Qur'an is fictitious and lies just like any other god or books and texts, your just praying five times a day into fresh air...totally pointless :-)
When we die we don't go on to somewhere else, that's the end of life as we know it.
I will await your fatwa :-)
There is no such thing as allah or Muhammad. , and the Qur'an is fictitious and lies just like any other god or books and texts, your just praying five times a day into fresh air...totally pointless :-) When we die we don't go on to somewhere else, that's the end of life as we know it. I will await your fatwa :-) DAUBHILL85
  • Score: -1

10:28pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Lawlesschat says...

DAUBHILL85 wrote:
Lawlesschat says... Maybe a point you want to ponder over before you begin typing again.

Well ponder on this depending on your race ? you/or they are not wanted over here never have been, never will be by the majority of us...yes US.
Am I a racist well I suppose I am in a way, what or who has made me this way.. well whoever has allowed all this uncontrolled immigration mainly by muslims over for 40 years or more.
What a Pratt youve demonstrated yourself to be.
Well done you numpty.
[quote][p][bold]DAUBHILL85[/bold] wrote: Lawlesschat says... Maybe a point you want to ponder over before you begin typing again. Well ponder on this depending on your race ? you/or they are not wanted over here never have been, never will be by the majority of us...yes US. Am I a racist well I suppose I am in a way, what or who has made me this way.. well whoever has allowed all this uncontrolled immigration mainly by muslims over for 40 years or more.[/p][/quote]What a Pratt youve demonstrated yourself to be. Well done you numpty. Lawlesschat
  • Score: 0

10:36pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Lawlesschat says...

Furthermore, you made yourself racist because you are numb and easily led by others, you are easily made excitable by drama and being abusive.
Your current state of mind is reflective of your blatant poor upbringing, your parents probably didn't care, I bet you don't even know who your biological father is? You strive for some meaning on life and do not know how to express yourself without being vile, angry and presenting yourself as completely clueless.
Who are you to speak on my behalf emphasing on the 'US', you speak for a small percentage of your ilk.
Thank goodness for common sense that the vast majority of the population have, you being one who lacks it.

Well done to the Tayabah Mosque on the approval.
Furthermore, you made yourself racist because you are numb and easily led by others, you are easily made excitable by drama and being abusive. Your current state of mind is reflective of your blatant poor upbringing, your parents probably didn't care, I bet you don't even know who your biological father is? You strive for some meaning on life and do not know how to express yourself without being vile, angry and presenting yourself as completely clueless. Who are you to speak on my behalf emphasing on the 'US', you speak for a small percentage of your ilk. Thank goodness for common sense that the vast majority of the population have, you being one who lacks it. Well done to the Tayabah Mosque on the approval. Lawlesschat
  • Score: -2

10:51pm Thu 3 Jul 14

DAUBHILL85 says...

Ooop's I thinki touched a nerve lawless chat :-) so "less chat law" or you'll be in danger of slipping on your prayer mat.
Ooop's I thinki touched a nerve lawless chat :-) so "less chat law" or you'll be in danger of slipping on your prayer mat. DAUBHILL85
  • Score: -2

10:53pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Lawlesschat says...

lisa hilton wrote:
the hand wrote: You left this country and come back three or for Times a year then come on here to voice your views on mosque and immigrants your a fcukin immigrant yourself now you dyke but you are right one thing the town is a Shiite town of drop out eastern European gypsies scum who've come over here to bleed our system dry
first of all i am not a dyke..and i actually work for a living, not bleeding the system dry as there is no system to bleed dry. i do not sit around the town on my arse and expect the goverment to pay for me, like i witnessed many folk in bolton do.!!!!! they all go to the uk to do exactly that coz they know they will get hand outs..i can have and will have my opinion on this has matter, i used to live around the blackburn road area and have seen it been taken over and frankly looks a disgrace, my father was killed on that road a matter of yards away from where the proposed mosque is to be built, due to build up of traffic and traffic chaos. his killer was "of a different origin" so if i want to put my view on this across I WILL..yours...LEGAL IMMIGRANT.
If you have emigrated abroad to another country you by virtue of the fact have decided to show your loyalties elsewhere.
You have no right to comment on this forum as an immigrant who does not live here anymore, it's that simple.
The issues concerning Boltin should be left to the Boltonians to decide,

It's a unfortunate that your father was killed in a car accident however death comes to us all, the 'stamp' that he was killed by a person not of the same colour as you is a low degrading point to be making. Therefor you are as scummy as you have expressed yourself.
I bet it was a brown skinned doctor and nurses who tried to save his life when he got to the hospital, but that's probably something which you didn't comprehend because of your racist and bigoted views.

Stupid person indeed.
[quote][p][bold]lisa hilton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the hand[/bold] wrote: You left this country and come back three or for Times a year then come on here to voice your views on mosque and immigrants your a fcukin immigrant yourself now you dyke but you are right one thing the town is a Shiite town of drop out eastern European gypsies scum who've come over here to bleed our system dry[/p][/quote]first of all i am not a dyke..and i actually work for a living, not bleeding the system dry as there is no system to bleed dry. i do not sit around the town on my arse and expect the goverment to pay for me, like i witnessed many folk in bolton do.!!!!! they all go to the uk to do exactly that coz they know they will get hand outs..i can have and will have my opinion on this has matter, i used to live around the blackburn road area and have seen it been taken over and frankly looks a disgrace, my father was killed on that road a matter of yards away from where the proposed mosque is to be built, due to build up of traffic and traffic chaos. his killer was "of a different origin" so if i want to put my view on this across I WILL..yours...LEGAL IMMIGRANT.[/p][/quote]If you have emigrated abroad to another country you by virtue of the fact have decided to show your loyalties elsewhere. You have no right to comment on this forum as an immigrant who does not live here anymore, it's that simple. The issues concerning Boltin should be left to the Boltonians to decide, It's a unfortunate that your father was killed in a car accident however death comes to us all, the 'stamp' that he was killed by a person not of the same colour as you is a low degrading point to be making. Therefor you are as scummy as you have expressed yourself. I bet it was a brown skinned doctor and nurses who tried to save his life when he got to the hospital, but that's probably something which you didn't comprehend because of your racist and bigoted views. Stupid person indeed. Lawlesschat
  • Score: 0

10:59pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Lawlesschat says...

DAUBHILL85 wrote:
Ooop's I thinki touched a nerve lawless chat :-) so "less chat law" or you'll be in danger of slipping on your prayer mat.
Are you joking?

I promise you everything which I own that you have not in the slightest upset me.
If I was made upset every time someone with extreme little intelligence said something ridiculously stupid I'd be as bitter and twisted as you no doubt?
Why are you assuming that I am anything let alone Muslim? LOL,
[quote][p][bold]DAUBHILL85[/bold] wrote: Ooop's I thinki touched a nerve lawless chat :-) so "less chat law" or you'll be in danger of slipping on your prayer mat.[/p][/quote]Are you joking? I promise you everything which I own that you have not in the slightest upset me. If I was made upset every time someone with extreme little intelligence said something ridiculously stupid I'd be as bitter and twisted as you no doubt? Why are you assuming that I am anything let alone Muslim? LOL, Lawlesschat
  • Score: 0

11:10pm Thu 3 Jul 14

DAUBHILL85 says...

Lawlesschat says... Why are you assuming that I am anything let alone Muslim?

It's pretty obvious from all of your rantings that I have viewed on various posts of yours - why are you denying you are muslim ? is that not against your religion? will your (so called god) not condemn you for that . O'h well you'll never get to paradise.
Lawlesschat says... Why are you assuming that I am anything let alone Muslim? It's pretty obvious from all of your rantings that I have viewed on various posts of yours - why are you denying you are muslim ? is that not against your religion? will your (so called god) not condemn you for that . O'h well you'll never get to paradise. DAUBHILL85
  • Score: -3

11:39pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Lawlesschat says...

I'm not denying or affirming you plank ...

Because I side with common sense does not assume me to belong to any race or religious background but that of civil and rational being.

I'm gathering you've run out of money no cheap cider and joint on the go tonight??
I'm not denying or affirming you plank ... Because I side with common sense does not assume me to belong to any race or religious background but that of civil and rational being. I'm gathering you've run out of money no cheap cider and joint on the go tonight?? Lawlesschat
  • Score: 1

11:42pm Thu 3 Jul 14

Lawlesschat says...

Haha!! In any case, it's over mate. The Super Duper humongous Mosque has been approved.

Pointless bickering now.

From me, good night and pleasant dreams. Assuming that you will be able to sleep tonight. Ha
Haha!! In any case, it's over mate. The Super Duper humongous Mosque has been approved. Pointless bickering now. From me, good night and pleasant dreams. Assuming that you will be able to sleep tonight. Ha Lawlesschat
  • Score: 2

11:49pm Thu 3 Jul 14

DAUBHILL85 says...

Lawlesschat says... Haha!! In any case, it's over mate. The Super Duper humongous Mosque has been approved.

Well lets hope they don't make a PIGS ear of it when they build it, and don't forget british builders like their BACON buttys at break time in the mornings.
Lawlesschat says... Haha!! In any case, it's over mate. The Super Duper humongous Mosque has been approved. Well lets hope they don't make a PIGS ear of it when they build it, and don't forget british builders like their BACON buttys at break time in the mornings. DAUBHILL85
  • Score: 0

12:04am Fri 4 Jul 14

Lawlesschat says...

DAUBHILL85 wrote:
Lawlesschat says... Haha!! In any case, it's over mate. The Super Duper humongous Mosque has been approved.

Well lets hope they don't make a PIGS ear of it when they build it, and don't forget british builders like their BACON buttys at break time in the mornings.
Allegedly they're using Saudi and Indonesian architects and Souring labourers from the local MUSLIM community only, Iraqi Kurds are very talented in brick laying and building design. It appears that they've planned this one very well, no bacon on this site, apparently.

On the other hand, I hear that all chicken sold in Bolton at every butchers shop is ALL Hallal ... What will you do now? You're eating Muslamic chicken and you don't even know it. It's a shambles I say.
[quote][p][bold]DAUBHILL85[/bold] wrote: Lawlesschat says... Haha!! In any case, it's over mate. The Super Duper humongous Mosque has been approved. Well lets hope they don't make a PIGS ear of it when they build it, and don't forget british builders like their BACON buttys at break time in the mornings.[/p][/quote]Allegedly they're using Saudi and Indonesian architects and Souring labourers from the local MUSLIM community only, Iraqi Kurds are very talented in brick laying and building design. It appears that they've planned this one very well, no bacon on this site, apparently. On the other hand, I hear that all chicken sold in Bolton at every butchers shop is ALL Hallal ... What will you do now? You're eating Muslamic chicken and you don't even know it. It's a shambles I say. Lawlesschat
  • Score: 1

12:34am Fri 4 Jul 14

DAUBHILL85 says...

It don't effect me I've been a vegan 25 years now :-)
but I get the the feeling when building starts someone might just bury some pig products at night in the cavitys when all the builders are gone and the security are fast asleep ( I do hope they don't, it's not nice :-) )
I heard that was done at several mosques in Bolton, but who am I to know :-)
It don't effect me I've been a vegan 25 years now :-) but I get the the feeling when building starts someone might just bury some pig products at night in the cavitys when all the builders are gone and the security are fast asleep ( I do hope they don't, it's not nice :-) ) I heard that was done at several mosques in Bolton, but who am I to know :-) DAUBHILL85
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1:10am Fri 4 Jul 14

Lawlesschat says...

DAUBHILL85 wrote:
It don't effect me I've been a vegan 25 years now :-)
but I get the the feeling when building starts someone might just bury some pig products at night in the cavitys when all the builders are gone and the security are fast asleep ( I do hope they don't, it's not nice :-) )
I heard that was done at several mosques in Bolton, but who am I to know :-)
Chuckle chuckle, exactly who'd be bothered by something that they didn't know about?

Good grief, you're just an idiot. Very childish aren't you?
Anyway .... Nite my brother.
[quote][p][bold]DAUBHILL85[/bold] wrote: It don't effect me I've been a vegan 25 years now :-) but I get the the feeling when building starts someone might just bury some pig products at night in the cavitys when all the builders are gone and the security are fast asleep ( I do hope they don't, it's not nice :-) ) I heard that was done at several mosques in Bolton, but who am I to know :-)[/p][/quote]Chuckle chuckle, exactly who'd be bothered by something that they didn't know about? Good grief, you're just an idiot. Very childish aren't you? Anyway .... Nite my brother. Lawlesschat
  • Score: 0

10:49am Fri 4 Jul 14

waynagain says...

Interesting story on the BBC today where a 'British' man who claims to have been fighting in Syria (maybe he was waiting for the guy from Bolton to bring him 25,000 pounds so he can buy more bullets so he can kill more Muslims) says he will not return to England until 'the black flag of Islam is flying over Buckingham Palace'. Muslims in Syria have killed more than 200,000 Muslims, there have already been more Muslims killed by Muslims in Iraq since the Americans left, than were killed when the Americans were there. Obviously Muslims can't even get along with each other (there are 73 different types), so of the two largest groups, Shia and Sunni, which will be using the new mosque - because it's obvious to the whole world that they can't be together without somebody - or will there have to be another built to so each group will have it's own? How long before they are killing each other on the streets of England? and will the Black Flag of Islam be flying over the new Mosque?
Interesting story on the BBC today where a 'British' man who claims to have been fighting in Syria (maybe he was waiting for the guy from Bolton to bring him 25,000 pounds so he can buy more bullets so he can kill more Muslims) says he will not return to England until 'the black flag of Islam is flying over Buckingham Palace'. Muslims in Syria have killed more than 200,000 Muslims, there have already been more Muslims killed by Muslims in Iraq since the Americans left, than were killed when the Americans were there. Obviously Muslims can't even get along with each other (there are 73 different types), so of the two largest groups, Shia and Sunni, which will be using the new mosque - because it's obvious to the whole world that they can't be together without somebody - or will there have to be another built to so each group will have it's own? How long before they are killing each other on the streets of England? and will the Black Flag of Islam be flying over the new Mosque? waynagain
  • Score: 3

1:58pm Fri 4 Jul 14

Comment777 says...

Soon coming to a street near you...

Sparkbrook murder: 'Shot' man was actually stabbed

A witness told the BBC "about 200 to 300 lads" gathered in the area before the killing
Continue reading the main story
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Man shot dead and two others injured
A man who police said had been shot dead in Birmingham in fact died from stabbing injuries.

The error was only spotted during a forensic examination of the 32-year-old victim's body which found "no evidence of a gunshot injury".

Two other men were injured - one shot and the other stabbed - during what police think was a fight between two large groups in the Sparkbrook area.

Detectives are quizzing four men on suspicion of murder.

The dead man has been named locally as Ikram Elahi.

Hundreds of 'lads'
Police said they were investigating if Wednesday evening's fight was part of a long-running dispute between two groups.

One witness claimed "about 200 to 300 lads" had gathered in the area around Stratford Road prior to the killing.


The Junction of Farm Road and Grantham Road remains closed off while police investigate
A 22-year-old man who suffered a gunshot wound and a 25-year-old with a "slash" wound were taken to hospital.

The victim with the knife injury remains in a critical condition while the 22-year-old's injuries are not believed to be life threatening, police said.

A man aged 22 who was arrested for possession of a class A drug has been bailed pending further inquiries.
Soon coming to a street near you... Sparkbrook murder: 'Shot' man was actually stabbed A witness told the BBC "about 200 to 300 lads" gathered in the area before the killing Continue reading the main story Related Stories Man shot dead and two others injured A man who police said had been shot dead in Birmingham in fact died from stabbing injuries. The error was only spotted during a forensic examination of the 32-year-old victim's body which found "no evidence of a gunshot injury". Two other men were injured - one shot and the other stabbed - during what police think was a fight between two large groups in the Sparkbrook area. Detectives are quizzing four men on suspicion of murder. The dead man has been named locally as Ikram Elahi. Hundreds of 'lads' Police said they were investigating if Wednesday evening's fight was part of a long-running dispute between two groups. One witness claimed "about 200 to 300 lads" had gathered in the area around Stratford Road prior to the killing. The Junction of Farm Road and Grantham Road remains closed off while police investigate A 22-year-old man who suffered a gunshot wound and a 25-year-old with a "slash" wound were taken to hospital. The victim with the knife injury remains in a critical condition while the 22-year-old's injuries are not believed to be life threatening, police said. A man aged 22 who was arrested for possession of a class A drug has been bailed pending further inquiries. Comment777
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1:37pm Sat 5 Jul 14

Lawlesschat says...

waynagain wrote:
Interesting story on the BBC today where a 'British' man who claims to have been fighting in Syria (maybe he was waiting for the guy from Bolton to bring him 25,000 pounds so he can buy more bullets so he can kill more Muslims) says he will not return to England until 'the black flag of Islam is flying over Buckingham Palace'. Muslims in Syria have killed more than 200,000 Muslims, there have already been more Muslims killed by Muslims in Iraq since the Americans left, than were killed when the Americans were there. Obviously Muslims can't even get along with each other (there are 73 different types), so of the two largest groups, Shia and Sunni, which will be using the new mosque - because it's obvious to the whole world that they can't be together without somebody - or will there have to be another built to so each group will have it's own? How long before they are killing each other on the streets of England? and will the Black Flag of Islam be flying over the new Mosque?
I've ordered one of them flags for you mate! I'm fixing one right outside your front door, or maybe even on your roof ariel.
That'd look mint don't you think, seen as you know soo much about the worldly affairs of Muslims I think it's only befitting that you show your comminent to them by making a real stance.
[quote][p][bold]waynagain[/bold] wrote: Interesting story on the BBC today where a 'British' man who claims to have been fighting in Syria (maybe he was waiting for the guy from Bolton to bring him 25,000 pounds so he can buy more bullets so he can kill more Muslims) says he will not return to England until 'the black flag of Islam is flying over Buckingham Palace'. Muslims in Syria have killed more than 200,000 Muslims, there have already been more Muslims killed by Muslims in Iraq since the Americans left, than were killed when the Americans were there. Obviously Muslims can't even get along with each other (there are 73 different types), so of the two largest groups, Shia and Sunni, which will be using the new mosque - because it's obvious to the whole world that they can't be together without somebody - or will there have to be another built to so each group will have it's own? How long before they are killing each other on the streets of England? and will the Black Flag of Islam be flying over the new Mosque?[/p][/quote]I've ordered one of them flags for you mate! I'm fixing one right outside your front door, or maybe even on your roof ariel. That'd look mint don't you think, seen as you know soo much about the worldly affairs of Muslims I think it's only befitting that you show your comminent to them by making a real stance. Lawlesschat
  • Score: -4

2:20pm Sat 5 Jul 14

waynagain says...

I wouldn't be surprised if you sent a couple of your mates to chop my head off in the street. When you do send the flag I'll be happy to make a video of me burning it the way Muslims do with British and American flags.
I wouldn't be surprised if you sent a couple of your mates to chop my head off in the street. When you do send the flag I'll be happy to make a video of me burning it the way Muslims do with British and American flags. waynagain
  • Score: 1

3:09pm Sat 5 Jul 14

Lawlesschat says...

waynagain wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if you sent a couple of your mates to chop my head off in the street. When you do send the flag I'll be happy to make a video of me burning it the way Muslims do with British and American flags.
That's a bit harsh, I was buying it to gift it to you.
No way to treat someone who's showing you a charitable hand. I just thought you'd be a bit hard up with all the benefit cuts and what not and seen as I'm in a privileged position to give you a hand .... You've burnt your bridges now pal. No present for you. Silly boy.

Why would I have mates who'd want to behead you? That's a bizarre thing to say don't you think?
Or is it you get off on having sadistic pleasures from extreme violence or fantasising over them?

Weirdo!
[quote][p][bold]waynagain[/bold] wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if you sent a couple of your mates to chop my head off in the street. When you do send the flag I'll be happy to make a video of me burning it the way Muslims do with British and American flags.[/p][/quote]That's a bit harsh, I was buying it to gift it to you. No way to treat someone who's showing you a charitable hand. I just thought you'd be a bit hard up with all the benefit cuts and what not and seen as I'm in a privileged position to give you a hand .... You've burnt your bridges now pal. No present for you. Silly boy. Why would I have mates who'd want to behead you? That's a bizarre thing to say don't you think? Or is it you get off on having sadistic pleasures from extreme violence or fantasising over them? Weirdo! Lawlesschat
  • Score: -42

6:25pm Sat 5 Jul 14

waynagain says...

Doubt you have any mates, but if you did I would bet any money they would resort to violence against someone who didn't agree with them. By the way, buying a flag which is the flag of an organisation which is backed and financed by a terrorist organisation is considered to be helping finance terrorists.
How many Muslims have the Black Flag carriers killed in Syria and Iraq? Obviously you think that murdering Muslims is appropriate, is that why you want a new Mosque so you'll know where they are?
How about you send me your address and I'll send you a flag - the one with the Stars and Stripes on it!
Doubt you have any mates, but if you did I would bet any money they would resort to violence against someone who didn't agree with them. By the way, buying a flag which is the flag of an organisation which is backed and financed by a terrorist organisation is considered to be helping finance terrorists. How many Muslims have the Black Flag carriers killed in Syria and Iraq? Obviously you think that murdering Muslims is appropriate, is that why you want a new Mosque so you'll know where they are? How about you send me your address and I'll send you a flag - the one with the Stars and Stripes on it! waynagain
  • Score: 0

10:36am Sun 6 Jul 14

Rivertin says...

I would like to know what drives some of these protestors.

I mean it is not as if Islam comes to rule over us, it offers us a choice.

In the past we have had different European peoples coming here and ruling us by force (eg Saxons, Romans,Danes etc) or at least trying to , I personally think there is less of a connection between state and religion in the Islamic countries than there was between the rulers here and the crusades we carried out in the past, don't get me wrong regards that as the rulers are usually practising muslim but I dont see them being a direct influence on the mosques being built outside their own countries , not as if it is some sort of deliberate expansion program, it just seems a natural progression.

Also it is us who in the past have gone to other countries to rule over and opress, we did it with America, Australia and partially with Africa not to mention other places.

So if the driving force of some protestors is simply fear of losing a traditional way of life, or that way of life being affected then I domn't think they need worry, I have never known any Muslem to try and force me to convert to their way of life. Although I am very anti-car that argument just seems petty in this instance.

Consider the reverse idea, that we lived in a mainly Moslem country and someone wished to expand a christian church, now how petty would it look if a portion of the Muslims protested due to extra traffic for instance, the only reason I could think of for a protest would be that if the preacher was deliberately trying or forcing Muslims to convert instead of preaching and giving the choice to the people.
I would like to know what drives some of these protestors. I mean it is not as if Islam comes to rule over us, it offers us a choice. In the past we have had different European peoples coming here and ruling us by force (eg Saxons, Romans,Danes etc) or at least trying to , I personally think there is less of a connection between state and religion in the Islamic countries than there was between the rulers here and the crusades we carried out in the past, don't get me wrong regards that as the rulers are usually practising muslim but I dont see them being a direct influence on the mosques being built outside their own countries , not as if it is some sort of deliberate expansion program, it just seems a natural progression. Also it is us who in the past have gone to other countries to rule over and opress, we did it with America, Australia and partially with Africa not to mention other places. So if the driving force of some protestors is simply fear of losing a traditional way of life, or that way of life being affected then I domn't think they need worry, I have never known any Muslem to try and force me to convert to their way of life. Although I am very anti-car that argument just seems petty in this instance. Consider the reverse idea, that we lived in a mainly Moslem country and someone wished to expand a christian church, now how petty would it look if a portion of the Muslims protested due to extra traffic for instance, the only reason I could think of for a protest would be that if the preacher was deliberately trying or forcing Muslims to convert instead of preaching and giving the choice to the people. Rivertin
  • Score: 1

1:02pm Sun 6 Jul 14

waynagain says...

There have been more Mosques built in Bolton in the last 20 years than there have been Cristian churches built in the whole of Syria, Iraq and Iran. The question really is why so many Mosques are needed - it's NOT just this one. There is an old saying -'When in Rome, do as the Romans'. If I ever go to live in a Muslim country, I will be happy to abide by their 'rules' and the same should apply vice versa.
There have been more Mosques built in Bolton in the last 20 years than there have been Cristian churches built in the whole of Syria, Iraq and Iran. The question really is why so many Mosques are needed - it's NOT just this one. There is an old saying -'When in Rome, do as the Romans'. If I ever go to live in a Muslim country, I will be happy to abide by their 'rules' and the same should apply vice versa. waynagain
  • Score: 0

1:43pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Rivertin says...

A lot of certain types of Christian churches get small congregations, Mosques are flourishing at the moment, I guess even the Romans allow and did allow some other fatiths to practise . (mind you I don't think ancient Rome is a good measuring stick to compare us to)

I think also that it would be common sense to follow the laws of the particular land in which you live in, looks like most devout Muslims do that.



I also dont think extra Mosques would be built for the fun of it, they would be built so people can use them. What for instance would be the use of building shops if no one was going to use them? (although it appears we tend to do that in some new market developements, I was surprised though that the new market here is better than I expected it to be)
A lot of certain types of Christian churches get small congregations, Mosques are flourishing at the moment, I guess even the Romans allow and did allow some other fatiths to practise . (mind you I don't think ancient Rome is a good measuring stick to compare us to) I think also that it would be common sense to follow the laws of the particular land in which you live in, looks like most devout Muslims do that. I also dont think extra Mosques would be built for the fun of it, they would be built so people can use them. What for instance would be the use of building shops if no one was going to use them? (although it appears we tend to do that in some new market developements, I was surprised though that the new market here is better than I expected it to be) Rivertin
  • Score: 0

2:02pm Sun 6 Jul 14

Replytohatersandscum says...

Jackael wrote:
Replytohatersandscum wrote: we build what we want we build what we want approved :-) approved :-) approved :-)
It just makes English people more determined to get rid of you, get building i say ...
get rid of us to where you scum you cant do anything but type on here lets see you try to stop it being built
[quote][p][bold]Jackael[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Replytohatersandscum[/bold] wrote: we build what we want we build what we want approved :-) approved :-) approved :-)[/p][/quote]It just makes English people more determined to get rid of you, get building i say ...[/p][/quote]get rid of us to where you scum you cant do anything but type on here lets see you try to stop it being built Replytohatersandscum
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