UPDATE: Teen leaps to death from Accrington multi-storey car park

Accrington Arndale Centre

Accrington Arndale Centre

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A TEENAGE girl has died after jumping from a multi-storey car park.

The 17-year-old was the fifth person in five years to die after falling from the top of Accrington’s Arndale Centre.

Just hours later a 33-year-old woman also threatened to jump from a ledge at the car park and was talked down by police officers.

Calls have now been made for safety measures to be brought in at the shopping centre to prevent any further tragedies.

Police were called to the scene at around 10am yesterday after receiving reports of a ‘young female’ on the top of the car park.

The area around Union Street was closed to cars and pedestrians and shops and offices shut while police talked to the Oswaldtwistle teenager, who has not been named.

A police spokesman said: “Police were called shortly after 10am to a report that a female was threatening to jump from the multi-storey car park at the Arndale Centre at Accrington.

“Officers attended the scene but unfortunately she jumped from the building at about 10.45am.

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“She was taken by ambulance to the Royal Blackburn Hospital but sadly died.

“Her next of kin have been informed and are being offered support by specially trained officers.

“There are no suspicious circumstances and a file will be prepared for the coroner.”

A spokeswoman from the North West Ambulance Service said that the woman suffered ‘massive head injuries’.

Just hours later a 33-year-old woman was detained by police after she also threatened to jump.

A police spokesman said: “We received a call shortly after 1.30pm of a person threatening to throw themselves off the ledge.

“She has now been detained under the mental health act.”

The two women are not believed to have any connections.

The incident comes in the wake of calls last June for safety measures to be brought in at the centre.

Managers at the centre called an urgent meeting to talk about preventing futher tragedies. Yesterday no-one was available for comment.

A Facebook group was set up by Sarah Clitheroe, from Accrington, calling for greater security measures to be installed at the ‘notorious’ car park.

More than 1,000 people joined the group yesterday following the tragedy.

The 30-year-old, from Lindadale Avenue, said: “My sister and cousin committed suicide so it’s something that’s very close to my heart.

“It makes me really angry that very little seems to have been done about improving the safety up there.

“It’s not something that we can ever fully get rid of and stop but if we can prevent people using that car park then we should take comfort from that.

“The car park is becoming notorious and this is just one in a long line of fatalities in the last few years.

“This affects the whole community and because Accrington isn’t a big town, if you kick one of us then we all limp.

“We need to help each other and I’m glad that so many people have already signed up to the Facebook group.”

Last June, Michael Singleton, coroner for Blackburn, Hyndburn and the Ribble Valley, said he would write to the Arndale Centre's owners about taking steps to prevent further incidents following the death of 21-year-old Muniza Mehrban.

Hyndburn MP Graham Jones added: “This is really sad news that individuals feel so desperate and lonely that they want to take their own life.

“We have to do more to help people and the support services for people who need them.

“If people are determined to take their own life, they will. What we need is to reach out to them before that happens.

“The family will be devastated and I feel for them. At this time, we must support the family as well as the lady who was talked down.”

Council leader Miles Parkinson said: “It’s disturbing. As a council we have discussed this with the Arndale Centre and I’m sure the owners will want to address this issue.

“We will be talking to the Arndale Centre to see what measures can be brought. We have already discussed this previously and will be raising it with them again.”

To sign up to the Facebook group, visit: www.facebook.com/groups/1431451143782832/

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12:31pm Thu 5 Jun 14

katey h says...

poor girl RIP thoughts to the family , we need somthing done NOW to stop this
poor girl RIP thoughts to the family , we need somthing done NOW to stop this katey h
  • Score: 80

1:00pm Thu 5 Jun 14

useyourhead says...

R.I.P young lady, I hope you are now free of whatever caused you to feel so desperate.
R.I.P young lady, I hope you are now free of whatever caused you to feel so desperate. useyourhead
  • Score: 77

1:37pm Thu 5 Jun 14

TinyTot says...

How many more people have to lose their lives until the Viaduct Bridge and the Arndale Car Park are secure from sad cases like these. It's becoming nearly every year somebody takes their last leap. It's sad to know that so many people are giving up on life this legendary town. The council need to take action now before somebody else sadly jumps. We all know that it will happen again and to be quite honest, I don't feel that the council care. If it is not for the council to take action then maybe the town should donate ourselves in order to stop relatives of our friends from ending their lives. R.I.P to the young woman and the many more that have ended their lives this way. Nobody can imagine what state of mind they must be in. It's such a tragedy. May the Angels guide you to the heavens :(
How many more people have to lose their lives until the Viaduct Bridge and the Arndale Car Park are secure from sad cases like these. It's becoming nearly every year somebody takes their last leap. It's sad to know that so many people are giving up on life this legendary town. The council need to take action now before somebody else sadly jumps. We all know that it will happen again and to be quite honest, I don't feel that the council care. If it is not for the council to take action then maybe the town should donate ourselves in order to stop relatives of our friends from ending their lives. R.I.P to the young woman and the many more that have ended their lives this way. Nobody can imagine what state of mind they must be in. It's such a tragedy. May the Angels guide you to the heavens :( TinyTot
  • Score: 57

1:50pm Thu 5 Jun 14

GracesDad says...

TinyTot wrote:
How many more people have to lose their lives until the Viaduct Bridge and the Arndale Car Park are secure from sad cases like these. It's becoming nearly every year somebody takes their last leap. It's sad to know that so many people are giving up on life this legendary town. The council need to take action now before somebody else sadly jumps. We all know that it will happen again and to be quite honest, I don't feel that the council care. If it is not for the council to take action then maybe the town should donate ourselves in order to stop relatives of our friends from ending their lives. R.I.P to the young woman and the many more that have ended their lives this way. Nobody can imagine what state of mind they must be in. It's such a tragedy. May the Angels guide you to the heavens :(
The sad fact is that if somebody wants to commit suicide then no amount of railings will stop them. They will find a way to kill themselves. I would not advocate the spending of crucial funds on such measures.

My thoughts go out to this young ladys family.
[quote][p][bold]TinyTot[/bold] wrote: How many more people have to lose their lives until the Viaduct Bridge and the Arndale Car Park are secure from sad cases like these. It's becoming nearly every year somebody takes their last leap. It's sad to know that so many people are giving up on life this legendary town. The council need to take action now before somebody else sadly jumps. We all know that it will happen again and to be quite honest, I don't feel that the council care. If it is not for the council to take action then maybe the town should donate ourselves in order to stop relatives of our friends from ending their lives. R.I.P to the young woman and the many more that have ended their lives this way. Nobody can imagine what state of mind they must be in. It's such a tragedy. May the Angels guide you to the heavens :([/p][/quote]The sad fact is that if somebody wants to commit suicide then no amount of railings will stop them. They will find a way to kill themselves. I would not advocate the spending of crucial funds on such measures. My thoughts go out to this young ladys family. GracesDad
  • Score: 109

1:56pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Stone Island: says...

Terrible news. RIP young lady, and my heartfelt condolences go out to her family and friends.

I've heard on the grapevine, that she's just 16. If that's true, then it truly is heartbreaking.
Terrible news. RIP young lady, and my heartfelt condolences go out to her family and friends. I've heard on the grapevine, that she's just 16. If that's true, then it truly is heartbreaking. Stone Island:
  • Score: 32

2:13pm Thu 5 Jun 14

noddy57 says...

These poor souls have to resort to these desperate measures because they cannot seem to find another way out and it begs the question why? are there not enough beds in the hospitals ? are the waiting lists for help too long ? l am sorry to have to say this but l am right on both counts only because l have it from a very reliable source. Deepest condolences to her family and RIP young lady.
These poor souls have to resort to these desperate measures because they cannot seem to find another way out and it begs the question why? are there not enough beds in the hospitals ? are the waiting lists for help too long ? l am sorry to have to say this but l am right on both counts only because l have it from a very reliable source. Deepest condolences to her family and RIP young lady. noddy57
  • Score: 26

2:14pm Thu 5 Jun 14

TinyTot says...

GracesDad wrote:
TinyTot wrote:
How many more people have to lose their lives until the Viaduct Bridge and the Arndale Car Park are secure from sad cases like these. It's becoming nearly every year somebody takes their last leap. It's sad to know that so many people are giving up on life this legendary town. The council need to take action now before somebody else sadly jumps. We all know that it will happen again and to be quite honest, I don't feel that the council care. If it is not for the council to take action then maybe the town should donate ourselves in order to stop relatives of our friends from ending their lives. R.I.P to the young woman and the many more that have ended their lives this way. Nobody can imagine what state of mind they must be in. It's such a tragedy. May the Angels guide you to the heavens :(
The sad fact is that if somebody wants to commit suicide then no amount of railings will stop them. They will find a way to kill themselves. I would not advocate the spending of crucial funds on such measures.

My thoughts go out to this young ladys family.
I understand what you are saying. I have lost many friends through suicide in and around Accrington over the past 15 years. My point is that if railings were built then it wouldn't be the spotlight of suicides in this town. It saddens everybody hearing that somebody else has made the jump, plus shops and roads close and everybody starts talking in and across the town. These people might have thought otherwise if they had the right help. Maybe help in this town is too hard to find. 16 is no age. Maybe a bad day, maybe stubborness or depression. Suicide is never the last resort. You only live once. I feel for the poor woman's family and friends. It's heartbreaking to hear. For all I know, I might know this girl or even be related to her, or maybe know somebody who is related. It is devastating and I, like most folk in this town want action to be taken. If these two locations were secure then maybe suicides in Accrington wouldn't be so common
[quote][p][bold]GracesDad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TinyTot[/bold] wrote: How many more people have to lose their lives until the Viaduct Bridge and the Arndale Car Park are secure from sad cases like these. It's becoming nearly every year somebody takes their last leap. It's sad to know that so many people are giving up on life this legendary town. The council need to take action now before somebody else sadly jumps. We all know that it will happen again and to be quite honest, I don't feel that the council care. If it is not for the council to take action then maybe the town should donate ourselves in order to stop relatives of our friends from ending their lives. R.I.P to the young woman and the many more that have ended their lives this way. Nobody can imagine what state of mind they must be in. It's such a tragedy. May the Angels guide you to the heavens :([/p][/quote]The sad fact is that if somebody wants to commit suicide then no amount of railings will stop them. They will find a way to kill themselves. I would not advocate the spending of crucial funds on such measures. My thoughts go out to this young ladys family.[/p][/quote]I understand what you are saying. I have lost many friends through suicide in and around Accrington over the past 15 years. My point is that if railings were built then it wouldn't be the spotlight of suicides in this town. It saddens everybody hearing that somebody else has made the jump, plus shops and roads close and everybody starts talking in and across the town. These people might have thought otherwise if they had the right help. Maybe help in this town is too hard to find. 16 is no age. Maybe a bad day, maybe stubborness or depression. Suicide is never the last resort. You only live once. I feel for the poor woman's family and friends. It's heartbreaking to hear. For all I know, I might know this girl or even be related to her, or maybe know somebody who is related. It is devastating and I, like most folk in this town want action to be taken. If these two locations were secure then maybe suicides in Accrington wouldn't be so common TinyTot
  • Score: 19

3:05pm Thu 5 Jun 14

katey h says...

let us all do somthing about this , the council waste money in wrong places , time to step up and , get more help for these young people now,
let us all do somthing about this , the council waste money in wrong places , time to step up and , get more help for these young people now, katey h
  • Score: 19

3:20pm Thu 5 Jun 14

jenlo87 says...

bit of conflicting information, says "its been confirmed that she has fallen" but police officer said "she has jumped". they need to be making sure the article is correct LET. RIP to whoever the young lady is xx
bit of conflicting information, says "its been confirmed that she has fallen" but police officer said "she has jumped". they need to be making sure the article is correct LET. RIP to whoever the young lady is xx jenlo87
  • Score: 8

3:33pm Thu 5 Jun 14

ste220 says...

and a 33 year old has also been detained for threatening to jump on this same day. WTF
and a 33 year old has also been detained for threatening to jump on this same day. WTF ste220
  • Score: 12

3:47pm Thu 5 Jun 14

gosuloli says...

GracesDad wrote:
TinyTot wrote:
How many more people have to lose their lives until the Viaduct Bridge and the Arndale Car Park are secure from sad cases like these. It's becoming nearly every year somebody takes their last leap. It's sad to know that so many people are giving up on life this legendary town. The council need to take action now before somebody else sadly jumps. We all know that it will happen again and to be quite honest, I don't feel that the council care. If it is not for the council to take action then maybe the town should donate ourselves in order to stop relatives of our friends from ending their lives. R.I.P to the young woman and the many more that have ended their lives this way. Nobody can imagine what state of mind they must be in. It's such a tragedy. May the Angels guide you to the heavens :(
The sad fact is that if somebody wants to commit suicide then no amount of railings will stop them. They will find a way to kill themselves. I would not advocate the spending of crucial funds on such measures.

My thoughts go out to this young ladys family.
That is true, but mental health care is being cut further and further back, making it more and more difficult to try and see counsellors and psychiatrists, if people can even get to see someone who can refer them. Surely the council could afford more funding for services like these.
[quote][p][bold]GracesDad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TinyTot[/bold] wrote: How many more people have to lose their lives until the Viaduct Bridge and the Arndale Car Park are secure from sad cases like these. It's becoming nearly every year somebody takes their last leap. It's sad to know that so many people are giving up on life this legendary town. The council need to take action now before somebody else sadly jumps. We all know that it will happen again and to be quite honest, I don't feel that the council care. If it is not for the council to take action then maybe the town should donate ourselves in order to stop relatives of our friends from ending their lives. R.I.P to the young woman and the many more that have ended their lives this way. Nobody can imagine what state of mind they must be in. It's such a tragedy. May the Angels guide you to the heavens :([/p][/quote]The sad fact is that if somebody wants to commit suicide then no amount of railings will stop them. They will find a way to kill themselves. I would not advocate the spending of crucial funds on such measures. My thoughts go out to this young ladys family.[/p][/quote]That is true, but mental health care is being cut further and further back, making it more and more difficult to try and see counsellors and psychiatrists, if people can even get to see someone who can refer them. Surely the council could afford more funding for services like these. gosuloli
  • Score: 21

3:58pm Thu 5 Jun 14

marcusbrfc95 says...

gosuloli wrote:
GracesDad wrote:
TinyTot wrote:
How many more people have to lose their lives until the Viaduct Bridge and the Arndale Car Park are secure from sad cases like these. It's becoming nearly every year somebody takes their last leap. It's sad to know that so many people are giving up on life this legendary town. The council need to take action now before somebody else sadly jumps. We all know that it will happen again and to be quite honest, I don't feel that the council care. If it is not for the council to take action then maybe the town should donate ourselves in order to stop relatives of our friends from ending their lives. R.I.P to the young woman and the many more that have ended their lives this way. Nobody can imagine what state of mind they must be in. It's such a tragedy. May the Angels guide you to the heavens :(
The sad fact is that if somebody wants to commit suicide then no amount of railings will stop them. They will find a way to kill themselves. I would not advocate the spending of crucial funds on such measures.

My thoughts go out to this young ladys family.
That is true, but mental health care is being cut further and further back, making it more and more difficult to try and see counsellors and psychiatrists, if people can even get to see someone who can refer them. Surely the council could afford more funding for services like these.
I agree, they cutting back in this area atm, its madness... people need help, otherwise this happens...
[quote][p][bold]gosuloli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GracesDad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TinyTot[/bold] wrote: How many more people have to lose their lives until the Viaduct Bridge and the Arndale Car Park are secure from sad cases like these. It's becoming nearly every year somebody takes their last leap. It's sad to know that so many people are giving up on life this legendary town. The council need to take action now before somebody else sadly jumps. We all know that it will happen again and to be quite honest, I don't feel that the council care. If it is not for the council to take action then maybe the town should donate ourselves in order to stop relatives of our friends from ending their lives. R.I.P to the young woman and the many more that have ended their lives this way. Nobody can imagine what state of mind they must be in. It's such a tragedy. May the Angels guide you to the heavens :([/p][/quote]The sad fact is that if somebody wants to commit suicide then no amount of railings will stop them. They will find a way to kill themselves. I would not advocate the spending of crucial funds on such measures. My thoughts go out to this young ladys family.[/p][/quote]That is true, but mental health care is being cut further and further back, making it more and more difficult to try and see counsellors and psychiatrists, if people can even get to see someone who can refer them. Surely the council could afford more funding for services like these.[/p][/quote]I agree, they cutting back in this area atm, its madness... people need help, otherwise this happens... marcusbrfc95
  • Score: 16

4:37pm Thu 5 Jun 14

Excluded again says...

gosuloli wrote:
GracesDad wrote:
TinyTot wrote:
How many more people have to lose their lives until the Viaduct Bridge and the Arndale Car Park are secure from sad cases like these. It's becoming nearly every year somebody takes their last leap. It's sad to know that so many people are giving up on life this legendary town. The council need to take action now before somebody else sadly jumps. We all know that it will happen again and to be quite honest, I don't feel that the council care. If it is not for the council to take action then maybe the town should donate ourselves in order to stop relatives of our friends from ending their lives. R.I.P to the young woman and the many more that have ended their lives this way. Nobody can imagine what state of mind they must be in. It's such a tragedy. May the Angels guide you to the heavens :(
The sad fact is that if somebody wants to commit suicide then no amount of railings will stop them. They will find a way to kill themselves. I would not advocate the spending of crucial funds on such measures.

My thoughts go out to this young ladys family.
That is true, but mental health care is being cut further and further back, making it more and more difficult to try and see counsellors and psychiatrists, if people can even get to see someone who can refer them. Surely the council could afford more funding for services like these.
I think you will find that mental health services are provided by the NHS, not the Council.

And the Accrington Arndale Centre is owned by a private company, not the Council.

There may be many things that Hyndburn Council does wrong but this does not mean that they should pick up the tab for things other organisations are responsible for.
[quote][p][bold]gosuloli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GracesDad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]TinyTot[/bold] wrote: How many more people have to lose their lives until the Viaduct Bridge and the Arndale Car Park are secure from sad cases like these. It's becoming nearly every year somebody takes their last leap. It's sad to know that so many people are giving up on life this legendary town. The council need to take action now before somebody else sadly jumps. We all know that it will happen again and to be quite honest, I don't feel that the council care. If it is not for the council to take action then maybe the town should donate ourselves in order to stop relatives of our friends from ending their lives. R.I.P to the young woman and the many more that have ended their lives this way. Nobody can imagine what state of mind they must be in. It's such a tragedy. May the Angels guide you to the heavens :([/p][/quote]The sad fact is that if somebody wants to commit suicide then no amount of railings will stop them. They will find a way to kill themselves. I would not advocate the spending of crucial funds on such measures. My thoughts go out to this young ladys family.[/p][/quote]That is true, but mental health care is being cut further and further back, making it more and more difficult to try and see counsellors and psychiatrists, if people can even get to see someone who can refer them. Surely the council could afford more funding for services like these.[/p][/quote]I think you will find that mental health services are provided by the NHS, not the Council. And the Accrington Arndale Centre is owned by a private company, not the Council. There may be many things that Hyndburn Council does wrong but this does not mean that they should pick up the tab for things other organisations are responsible for. Excluded again
  • Score: 35

4:53pm Thu 5 Jun 14

moxhie says...

May she rest in peace .
May she rest in peace . moxhie
  • Score: 18

5:58pm Thu 5 Jun 14

haha2013 says...

Sadly the mental health service seems to be very poor indeed. I have postnatal depression and was the other day told there's a 10 week waiting list - not long in the grand scheme of things but it is another 10 weeks in my children's lives! My sister has a mental health worker who instead of making appointments with my sister makes them with her probation officer and then wonders why my sister hasn't shown up because she hasn't had the message! Still better than the last one she had who put a referral into children's services for MY children because he decided to discharge my mentally ill sister - needless to say he was branded a Joke which is exactly what the whole service is - a joke!!

RIP to the young lady..
Sadly the mental health service seems to be very poor indeed. I have postnatal depression and was the other day told there's a 10 week waiting list - not long in the grand scheme of things but it is another 10 weeks in my children's lives! My sister has a mental health worker who instead of making appointments with my sister makes them with her probation officer and then wonders why my sister hasn't shown up because she hasn't had the message! Still better than the last one she had who put a referral into children's services for MY children because he decided to discharge my mentally ill sister - needless to say he was branded a Joke which is exactly what the whole service is - a joke!! RIP to the young lady.. haha2013
  • Score: 6

6:25pm Thu 5 Jun 14

BRFC195 says...

Thoughts go out to this young girls family today and friends , but with one death and one attempt in one day something needs to be done , accrington is depressive in it's self once a thriving town with a nightlife which drew people from all over particularly on it's legendary Sunday nights now with little prospects for our young people, no jobs and no facilities.
The Arndale has little point in it being open with once major named shops now all empty with the only time people are visiting seems to be when we are laying flowers ! I feel sorry for our young people in our town today and my thoughts are with this young girls family rip
Thoughts go out to this young girls family today and friends , but with one death and one attempt in one day something needs to be done , accrington is depressive in it's self once a thriving town with a nightlife which drew people from all over particularly on it's legendary Sunday nights now with little prospects for our young people, no jobs and no facilities. The Arndale has little point in it being open with once major named shops now all empty with the only time people are visiting seems to be when we are laying flowers ! I feel sorry for our young people in our town today and my thoughts are with this young girls family rip BRFC195
  • Score: 15

6:32pm Thu 5 Jun 14

HelmshoreMan2010 says...

As a few people have said, put railings up here and someone who really wants to do this will find somewhere else.

Also having a good mental health service would be good and it probably is lacking but most suicide victims (if victim is the right word) don't seek help anyway, or in all honesty stories like this would be avoided most of the time.
As a few people have said, put railings up here and someone who really wants to do this will find somewhere else. Also having a good mental health service would be good and it probably is lacking but most suicide victims (if victim is the right word) don't seek help anyway, or in all honesty stories like this would be avoided most of the time. HelmshoreMan2010
  • Score: 6

6:37pm Thu 5 Jun 14

chammy says...

Deepest condolences to the girls family,This is heartbreaking for them may she rest in peace
Deepest condolences to the girls family,This is heartbreaking for them may she rest in peace chammy
  • Score: 19

8:25pm Thu 5 Jun 14

woolywords says...

A quick poke of Google reveals that Coroner Michael Singleton reportedly intended to write to the owners of the Accrington Arndale Centre, to raise his concerns regarding the number of deaths that had occurred there, as a result of falls from the rooftop. (Accrington Observer, June 21 2013.)
Personally, I'd like to see security staff at this and the others like it, trained to be more observant for these events, that seem to happen in and around this time of year. Rarely, do people jump immediately, thus there is the chance to alert a negotiator and prevent another tragedy. Since, sitting on a ledge, for just a few minutes, as they talk themselves into it, is our last chance, to hear their call for help, so let's not fail them.
My sincere and heartfelt condolences to all those concerned in both of these incidents.
A quick poke of Google reveals that Coroner Michael Singleton reportedly intended to write to the owners of the Accrington Arndale Centre, to raise his concerns regarding the number of deaths that had occurred there, as a result of falls from the rooftop. (Accrington Observer, June 21 2013.) Personally, I'd like to see security staff at this and the others like it, trained to be more observant for these events, that seem to happen in and around this time of year. Rarely, do people jump immediately, thus there is the chance to alert a negotiator and prevent another tragedy. Since, sitting on a ledge, for just a few minutes, as they talk themselves into it, is our last chance, to hear their call for help, so let's not fail them. My sincere and heartfelt condolences to all those concerned in both of these incidents. woolywords
  • Score: 6

9:17pm Thu 5 Jun 14

wilddog says...

A lot of people on here mentioning stuff that aint even in the story! You lot know something the rest of us dont?
A lot of people on here mentioning stuff that aint even in the story! You lot know something the rest of us dont? wilddog
  • Score: -11

11:58pm Thu 5 Jun 14

b18ftmojo5 says...

May she rest in peach poor girl. My condolences go out to her family at this terrible time. Such a waste of a life at such a young age.
May she rest in peach poor girl. My condolences go out to her family at this terrible time. Such a waste of a life at such a young age. b18ftmojo5
  • Score: 10

12:04am Fri 6 Jun 14

mattuk13 says...

katey h wrote:
poor girl RIP thoughts to the family , we need somthing done NOW to stop this
why is the arndale centre being blamed for this?if someone wants to kill themselves then they will. how they are attempting or actually commiting suicide is not the issue, its about helping people before they want to commit such an act.
[quote][p][bold]katey h[/bold] wrote: poor girl RIP thoughts to the family , we need somthing done NOW to stop this[/p][/quote]why is the arndale centre being blamed for this?if someone wants to kill themselves then they will. how they are attempting or actually commiting suicide is not the issue, its about helping people before they want to commit such an act. mattuk13
  • Score: 36

3:24pm Fri 6 Jun 14

bril67 says...

from admitting that help is needed after struggling alone in some cases for years . it can still take a further 6 months before correct help and medication is prescribed which in turn can take weeks to start to have an effect . and at any point within that time frame something can trigger a sufferer and just for a moment the person they are is lost as is reason and guilt and rationality . and that one moment is all it takes . very sad but true .
from admitting that help is needed after struggling alone in some cases for years . it can still take a further 6 months before correct help and medication is prescribed which in turn can take weeks to start to have an effect . and at any point within that time frame something can trigger a sufferer and just for a moment the person they are is lost as is reason and guilt and rationality . and that one moment is all it takes . very sad but true . bril67
  • Score: 9

4:54pm Fri 6 Jun 14

pdb951 says...

noddy57 wrote:
These poor souls have to resort to these desperate measures because they cannot seem to find another way out and it begs the question why? are there not enough beds in the hospitals ? are the waiting lists for help too long ? l am sorry to have to say this but l am right on both counts only because l have it from a very reliable source. Deepest condolences to her family and RIP young lady.
Agreed the level of desperation.

What difference does the number of beds in hospitals make, waiting lists?

Is that why she jumped? I doubt it.
[quote][p][bold]noddy57[/bold] wrote: These poor souls have to resort to these desperate measures because they cannot seem to find another way out and it begs the question why? are there not enough beds in the hospitals ? are the waiting lists for help too long ? l am sorry to have to say this but l am right on both counts only because l have it from a very reliable source. Deepest condolences to her family and RIP young lady.[/p][/quote]Agreed the level of desperation. What difference does the number of beds in hospitals make, waiting lists? Is that why she jumped? I doubt it. pdb951
  • Score: 6

4:54pm Fri 6 Jun 14

pdb951 says...

pdb951 wrote:
noddy57 wrote:
These poor souls have to resort to these desperate measures because they cannot seem to find another way out and it begs the question why? are there not enough beds in the hospitals ? are the waiting lists for help too long ? l am sorry to have to say this but l am right on both counts only because l have it from a very reliable source. Deepest condolences to her family and RIP young lady.
Agreed the level of desperation.

What difference does the number of beds in hospitals make, waiting lists?

Is that why she jumped? I doubt it.
P.S I am really sorry for her and her familly
[quote][p][bold]pdb951[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]noddy57[/bold] wrote: These poor souls have to resort to these desperate measures because they cannot seem to find another way out and it begs the question why? are there not enough beds in the hospitals ? are the waiting lists for help too long ? l am sorry to have to say this but l am right on both counts only because l have it from a very reliable source. Deepest condolences to her family and RIP young lady.[/p][/quote]Agreed the level of desperation. What difference does the number of beds in hospitals make, waiting lists? Is that why she jumped? I doubt it.[/p][/quote]P.S I am really sorry for her and her familly pdb951
  • Score: 1

5:33pm Fri 6 Jun 14

scb360 says...

I used to work here for the General Manager, he just doesnt care about this and obviously his management team doesnt care about spending Money to secure it, as it's a very dangerous building and it's shocking lack of Security (4 members on a Saturday, 3 of the rest of the time) then it's all down to money, which is a pure and utter joke.

In my opinion the manager needs replacing and the centre and staff a complete overhaul, how many more lives need to be lost before change is implemented?
I used to work here for the General Manager, he just doesnt care about this and obviously his management team doesnt care about spending Money to secure it, as it's a very dangerous building and it's shocking lack of Security (4 members on a Saturday, 3 of the rest of the time) then it's all down to money, which is a pure and utter joke. In my opinion the manager needs replacing and the centre and staff a complete overhaul, how many more lives need to be lost before change is implemented? scb360
  • Score: -5

6:08pm Fri 6 Jun 14

churchman says...

till this arndale car park is sorted out,the car park should be closed down.simples
till this arndale car park is sorted out,the car park should be closed down.simples churchman
  • Score: -23

7:32pm Fri 6 Jun 14

grimupnorth says...

Why are LT keeping the story on their front page for so long
Why are LT keeping the story on their front page for so long grimupnorth
  • Score: -11

11:36pm Fri 6 Jun 14

burnleyvoter says...

Obviously it needs railings, but in the meantime how about putting notices up there with the local Samaritans telephone number on? It might just give a desperate person another option.
Obviously it needs railings, but in the meantime how about putting notices up there with the local Samaritans telephone number on? It might just give a desperate person another option. burnleyvoter
  • Score: 9

11:44pm Fri 6 Jun 14

frank says...

this isn't the fault of the arndale, it's a fault of society in general. the hatred stirred up by those in power against those too sick to work, and a nation of gullible people who believe you can just snap out of depression and other mental health problems.
those with 'invisible' problems- mental health being just one- being treated the worst.
fence off the arndale but there are far higher railway bridges around accrington. one not too far from The Mount.
are all those going to be fenced off as well.
what about the pals building with it's inadequate easy to climb over screen on the top floor? what about the stairwell in pals where you can drop from top to bottom floor, what there?
if someone like this poor kid has got to the point of killing themselves then any easily accessible place will do.
it's the only way left to stop the pain.
i know . i've been there but was lucky enough to get help and survive.

my sincerest condolences to the family and friends for this tragic loss.
this isn't the fault of the arndale, it's a fault of society in general. the hatred stirred up by those in power against those too sick to work, and a nation of gullible people who believe you can just snap out of depression and other mental health problems. those with 'invisible' problems- mental health being just one- being treated the worst. fence off the arndale but there are far higher railway bridges around accrington. one not too far from The Mount. are all those going to be fenced off as well. what about the pals building with it's inadequate easy to climb over screen on the top floor? what about the stairwell in pals where you can drop from top to bottom floor, what there? if someone like this poor kid has got to the point of killing themselves then any easily accessible place will do. it's the only way left to stop the pain. i know . i've been there but was lucky enough to get help and survive. my sincerest condolences to the family and friends for this tragic loss. frank
  • Score: 6

11:46pm Fri 6 Jun 14

jimmi5bellies says...

jenlo87 wrote:
bit of conflicting information, says "its been confirmed that she has fallen" but police officer said "she has jumped". they need to be making sure the article is correct LET. RIP to whoever the young lady is xx
When somebody jumps they prefer to say "fallen" for some strange reason.
[quote][p][bold]jenlo87[/bold] wrote: bit of conflicting information, says "its been confirmed that she has fallen" but police officer said "she has jumped". they need to be making sure the article is correct LET. RIP to whoever the young lady is xx[/p][/quote]When somebody jumps they prefer to say "fallen" for some strange reason. jimmi5bellies
  • Score: 4

11:51pm Fri 6 Jun 14

jimmi5bellies says...

R.I.P. Young lady, my deepest condolences to your family and friends.
R.I.P. Young lady, my deepest condolences to your family and friends. jimmi5bellies
  • Score: 5

11:57pm Fri 6 Jun 14

Steven11 says...

grimupnorth wrote:
Why are LT keeping the story on their front page for so long
Because nothing else is happening. !
[quote][p][bold]grimupnorth[/bold] wrote: Why are LT keeping the story on their front page for so long[/p][/quote]Because nothing else is happening. ! Steven11
  • Score: 3

10:59am Sat 7 Jun 14

Elegant1 says...

It is very sad when anyone has to resort to ending their life in this way. It is true that anyone who is determined to carry out this act is usually successful in doing so. It is also sad that this type of incident is being carried out on a regular basis at the shopping centre.
The cuts that are taking place means that services for Mental Health are suffering as a result. This government is responsible for these cuts, but they rely on the usual excuses and knowing that people quickly forget that this is the case.
When the Tories are kicked out of office the next government will have to pick up the pieces that this lot have left behind and therefore are usually forced to borrow money to fix the mess. Meanwhile people are deprived of essential services while tax-cuts are given to the wealthy.
It is very sad when anyone has to resort to ending their life in this way. It is true that anyone who is determined to carry out this act is usually successful in doing so. It is also sad that this type of incident is being carried out on a regular basis at the shopping centre. The cuts that are taking place means that services for Mental Health are suffering as a result. This government is responsible for these cuts, but they rely on the usual excuses and knowing that people quickly forget that this is the case. When the Tories are kicked out of office the next government will have to pick up the pieces that this lot have left behind and therefore are usually forced to borrow money to fix the mess. Meanwhile people are deprived of essential services while tax-cuts are given to the wealthy. Elegant1
  • Score: 3

1:59pm Sat 7 Jun 14

the beaver says...

Elegant1 wrote:
It is very sad when anyone has to resort to ending their life in this way. It is true that anyone who is determined to carry out this act is usually successful in doing so. It is also sad that this type of incident is being carried out on a regular basis at the shopping centre.
The cuts that are taking place means that services for Mental Health are suffering as a result. This government is responsible for these cuts, but they rely on the usual excuses and knowing that people quickly forget that this is the case.
When the Tories are kicked out of office the next government will have to pick up the pieces that this lot have left behind and therefore are usually forced to borrow money to fix the mess. Meanwhile people are deprived of essential services while tax-cuts are given to the wealthy.
What planet are you from?
[quote][p][bold]Elegant1[/bold] wrote: It is very sad when anyone has to resort to ending their life in this way. It is true that anyone who is determined to carry out this act is usually successful in doing so. It is also sad that this type of incident is being carried out on a regular basis at the shopping centre. The cuts that are taking place means that services for Mental Health are suffering as a result. This government is responsible for these cuts, but they rely on the usual excuses and knowing that people quickly forget that this is the case. When the Tories are kicked out of office the next government will have to pick up the pieces that this lot have left behind and therefore are usually forced to borrow money to fix the mess. Meanwhile people are deprived of essential services while tax-cuts are given to the wealthy.[/p][/quote]What planet are you from? the beaver
  • Score: -6

6:21am Sun 8 Jun 14

khakkij says...

it is sad but you cant blame others., what about the ones that throw themselves in front of trains., if they want to end their life., they will do. no one knows the reason so just so so sad for the ones left behind.
it is sad but you cant blame others., what about the ones that throw themselves in front of trains., if they want to end their life., they will do. no one knows the reason so just so so sad for the ones left behind. khakkij
  • Score: 2

6:04am Mon 9 Jun 14

Ronnietate says...

If we add railings, or what ever to the top of the car parks roof so people can't jump off, they will find another way to kill themselves, if that's what they are intent on doing. It is very sad, but what we need to do is to make life better for people in this country. Some real jobs, with real pay and real prospects for our young people would be a good start!
If we add railings, or what ever to the top of the car parks roof so people can't jump off, they will find another way to kill themselves, if that's what they are intent on doing. It is very sad, but what we need to do is to make life better for people in this country. Some real jobs, with real pay and real prospects for our young people would be a good start! Ronnietate
  • Score: 2

11:47pm Mon 9 Jun 14

mys says...

No matter what safety measures are put into place if someone wants to take there own life they will, sadly , once again it has to involve the arndale,I just can't get my head round that fact so many young ones are taking there own life this way,it breaks my heart to think these young ones have no one to turn to and suicide is there only way out,I'm so grateful my kids have always been able to talk to myself about anything and everything,rest in peace angel and big hugs to your family xx
No matter what safety measures are put into place if someone wants to take there own life they will, sadly , once again it has to involve the arndale,I just can't get my head round that fact so many young ones are taking there own life this way,it breaks my heart to think these young ones have no one to turn to and suicide is there only way out,I'm so grateful my kids have always been able to talk to myself about anything and everything,rest in peace angel and big hugs to your family xx mys
  • Score: 2

7:51am Fri 13 Jun 14

AnthonyUK says...

frank wrote:
this isn't the fault of the arndale, it's a fault of society in general. the hatred stirred up by those in power against those too sick to work, and a nation of gullible people who believe you can just snap out of depression and other mental health problems.
those with 'invisible' problems- mental health being just one- being treated the worst.
fence off the arndale but there are far higher railway bridges around accrington. one not too far from The Mount.
are all those going to be fenced off as well.
what about the pals building with it's inadequate easy to climb over screen on the top floor? what about the stairwell in pals where you can drop from top to bottom floor, what there?
if someone like this poor kid has got to the point of killing themselves then any easily accessible place will do.
it's the only way left to stop the pain.
i know . i've been there but was lucky enough to get help and survive.

my sincerest condolences to the family and friends for this tragic loss.
What a load of rubbish!
[quote][p][bold]frank[/bold] wrote: this isn't the fault of the arndale, it's a fault of society in general. the hatred stirred up by those in power against those too sick to work, and a nation of gullible people who believe you can just snap out of depression and other mental health problems. those with 'invisible' problems- mental health being just one- being treated the worst. fence off the arndale but there are far higher railway bridges around accrington. one not too far from The Mount. are all those going to be fenced off as well. what about the pals building with it's inadequate easy to climb over screen on the top floor? what about the stairwell in pals where you can drop from top to bottom floor, what there? if someone like this poor kid has got to the point of killing themselves then any easily accessible place will do. it's the only way left to stop the pain. i know . i've been there but was lucky enough to get help and survive. my sincerest condolences to the family and friends for this tragic loss.[/p][/quote]What a load of rubbish! AnthonyUK
  • Score: -2

1:45pm Tue 24 Jun 14

Fayeemilyb says...

Rather than thinking of 'safety measures' to prevent people from using these buildings to end their lives, surely we should be doing something to help individuals before they get to the stage where they feel that suicide is the only answer? If somebody is so desperate to end their life, making changes to a building will not stop them. More should be done for those suffering with issues such as depression. It would seem that I am not the only person with this opinion either. My thought are with all effected by situations like this one x
Rather than thinking of 'safety measures' to prevent people from using these buildings to end their lives, surely we should be doing something to help individuals before they get to the stage where they feel that suicide is the only answer? If somebody is so desperate to end their life, making changes to a building will not stop them. More should be done for those suffering with issues such as depression. It would seem that I am not the only person with this opinion either. My thought are with all effected by situations like this one x Fayeemilyb
  • Score: 0

5:43pm Thu 26 Jun 14

churchrover says...

Its so sad when anyone feels that there only option is to kill themselves, RIP young lady and I'm so sorry.

I feel that the owners of the Arndale should be made to fit grills and railings to prevent this sort of tradgedy and if they don't comply the building should be closed down. How many more deaths before someone does something?
Its so sad when anyone feels that there only option is to kill themselves, RIP young lady and I'm so sorry. I feel that the owners of the Arndale should be made to fit grills and railings to prevent this sort of tradgedy and if they don't comply the building should be closed down. How many more deaths before someone does something? churchrover
  • Score: 0

5:54pm Thu 26 Jun 14

ste220 says...

unfortunately, putting railings up around the carpark isnt going to stop anybody that wants to kill themselves from doing it. they will just go somewhere else. i.e the viaduct. i think is unfair to expect the owners of the arndale to foot this unnecesary bill. it isnt unsafe as the wall is high enough to stop accidental falls.
unfortunately, putting railings up around the carpark isnt going to stop anybody that wants to kill themselves from doing it. they will just go somewhere else. i.e the viaduct. i think is unfair to expect the owners of the arndale to foot this unnecesary bill. it isnt unsafe as the wall is high enough to stop accidental falls. ste220
  • Score: 0

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