Westhouhton Rangers win league and cup double after happy resolution to exam revision clash woes

Westhoughton Rangers

Westhoughton Rangers

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A JUNIOR football club won a league and cup double — despite concerns over whether GCSE revision classes would scupper their chances.

Westhoughton Rangers under-16s faced the prospect of having to concede a play-off final on Friday, as several of their players had been told they needed to concentrate on their studies.

But after the Bolton Bury & District Football League (BBDFL) refused to reschedule the game, teachers relented and changed the time of the revision sessions.

Rangers, who finished joint top of the league beat rivals Boothstown FC 3-2 in the deciding match to win the title.

The team, which has players from Westhoughton High School and Chorley-based Southlands High School, then followed this up with a 2-1 win against Astley & Tyldsley in the BBDFL Players Cup final on Sunday.

The team’s manager, Mark Hester, said he was “over the moon” at the team’s achievements.

Mr Hester said: “I feel elated. It’s an absolutely brilliant achievement by my lads.

“I would like to thank The Bolton News, because if it wasn’t for the newspaper, I don’t think we would have won the league, because it was only when the schools saw how upset we were that they decided to change the classes.

“I’m disappointed by the way this was handled, but credit to my lads, they just got on with it and battled hard.”

Warren Barlow, chairman of the BBDFL, said Rangers had been offered several dates for the final and that an extension to the league season would not have been possible.

Mr Barlow said: “We were very flexible with Rangers. We offered them Monday to Friday to play their final game.

“We couldn’t have extended the game to another date as we’d have to have had to ask for permission from the Lancashire FA and we would have been refused an extension because our season is affiliated until May 18.

“However, I’m happy that the match went ahead, as it should have done, and that Rangers resolved the situation.”

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9:10pm Mon 19 May 14

craigthehamster says...

I currently run a team in the bbdfl league. I wanted to wait and see the outcome of the situation before posting a comment, so after reading the article on Friday decided to wait. I must thank the Bolton news for following this story up. I must say the league do a fantastic job for grass roots football, but at the moment I feel the league has lost touch with the youth of today especially regarding this matter. Mr Barlow quoted on Friday that winning is the bane of grass roots football and he is probably right, as coaches we tell the kids every week to go out and enjoy yourselves, win or lose it doesn't matter. The real fact is that these kids watch some sort of professional football each week on the TV or in the stadiums and they see something completely different. As a coach you can see the desire to win the older they get so for Mr Barlow to treat this matter with such disregard proves my point. He expects for a bunch of u16s to play 20 or so games and then at the end to give the attitude of ah well never mind. No matter what we tell the kids they have their own minds and feelings. Their exams were important to them as was their football. Without these passionate kids we wouldn't have a league. And for them to cry out to the league for help only for Mr Barlow to give that response is very disappointing. The league should be their to support these youngsters and not brush them off when things don't suite. Every year as a coach I see the same problem , too many fixtures that are cancelled due to the weather, and then at the end of the season having sometimes to cram in 3 games a week. This takes a tremendous toll out of the kids. To be fair this isn't a league problem it goes much higher than that. I think its about time the LFA addressed this problem. Its a difficult one and I don't have all the answers but things need to change. Regarding this matter though, the league need to take a long hard look at themselves, because in my opinion they didn't take these kids welfare into account. something that is at the forefront of grassroots football.
I currently run a team in the bbdfl league. I wanted to wait and see the outcome of the situation before posting a comment, so after reading the article on Friday decided to wait. I must thank the Bolton news for following this story up. I must say the league do a fantastic job for grass roots football, but at the moment I feel the league has lost touch with the youth of today especially regarding this matter. Mr Barlow quoted on Friday that winning is the bane of grass roots football and he is probably right, as coaches we tell the kids every week to go out and enjoy yourselves, win or lose it doesn't matter. The real fact is that these kids watch some sort of professional football each week on the TV or in the stadiums and they see something completely different. As a coach you can see the desire to win the older they get so for Mr Barlow to treat this matter with such disregard proves my point. He expects for a bunch of u16s to play 20 or so games and then at the end to give the attitude of ah well never mind. No matter what we tell the kids they have their own minds and feelings. Their exams were important to them as was their football. Without these passionate kids we wouldn't have a league. And for them to cry out to the league for help only for Mr Barlow to give that response is very disappointing. The league should be their to support these youngsters and not brush them off when things don't suite. Every year as a coach I see the same problem , too many fixtures that are cancelled due to the weather, and then at the end of the season having sometimes to cram in 3 games a week. This takes a tremendous toll out of the kids. To be fair this isn't a league problem it goes much higher than that. I think its about time the LFA addressed this problem. Its a difficult one and I don't have all the answers but things need to change. Regarding this matter though, the league need to take a long hard look at themselves, because in my opinion they didn't take these kids welfare into account. something that is at the forefront of grassroots football. craigthehamster
  • Score: 9

9:53pm Mon 19 May 14

GroundsKeeper Willy says...

craigthehamster wrote:
I currently run a team in the bbdfl league. I wanted to wait and see the outcome of the situation before posting a comment, so after reading the article on Friday decided to wait. I must thank the Bolton news for following this story up. I must say the league do a fantastic job for grass roots football, but at the moment I feel the league has lost touch with the youth of today especially regarding this matter. Mr Barlow quoted on Friday that winning is the bane of grass roots football and he is probably right, as coaches we tell the kids every week to go out and enjoy yourselves, win or lose it doesn't matter. The real fact is that these kids watch some sort of professional football each week on the TV or in the stadiums and they see something completely different. As a coach you can see the desire to win the older they get so for Mr Barlow to treat this matter with such disregard proves my point. He expects for a bunch of u16s to play 20 or so games and then at the end to give the attitude of ah well never mind. No matter what we tell the kids they have their own minds and feelings. Their exams were important to them as was their football. Without these passionate kids we wouldn't have a league. And for them to cry out to the league for help only for Mr Barlow to give that response is very disappointing. The league should be their to support these youngsters and not brush them off when things don't suite. Every year as a coach I see the same problem , too many fixtures that are cancelled due to the weather, and then at the end of the season having sometimes to cram in 3 games a week. This takes a tremendous toll out of the kids. To be fair this isn't a league problem it goes much higher than that. I think its about time the LFA addressed this problem. Its a difficult one and I don't have all the answers but things need to change. Regarding this matter though, the league need to take a long hard look at themselves, because in my opinion they didn't take these kids welfare into account. something that is at the forefront of grassroots football.
Word for word my thoughts exactly and a mirror to what my attempts in text were aiming at after Fridays article. I'd hoped my opinion that day may have acutely pricked the leagues consciousness but what you have written today should burst their balloon of principles completely

The famous saying goes if it ain't broke then don't fix it. Well if problems are coming to light from inside the association at grass roots level then maybe it's time to insert some contingencies

Well done to you Sir for making such an eloquent statement.
[quote][p][bold]craigthehamster[/bold] wrote: I currently run a team in the bbdfl league. I wanted to wait and see the outcome of the situation before posting a comment, so after reading the article on Friday decided to wait. I must thank the Bolton news for following this story up. I must say the league do a fantastic job for grass roots football, but at the moment I feel the league has lost touch with the youth of today especially regarding this matter. Mr Barlow quoted on Friday that winning is the bane of grass roots football and he is probably right, as coaches we tell the kids every week to go out and enjoy yourselves, win or lose it doesn't matter. The real fact is that these kids watch some sort of professional football each week on the TV or in the stadiums and they see something completely different. As a coach you can see the desire to win the older they get so for Mr Barlow to treat this matter with such disregard proves my point. He expects for a bunch of u16s to play 20 or so games and then at the end to give the attitude of ah well never mind. No matter what we tell the kids they have their own minds and feelings. Their exams were important to them as was their football. Without these passionate kids we wouldn't have a league. And for them to cry out to the league for help only for Mr Barlow to give that response is very disappointing. The league should be their to support these youngsters and not brush them off when things don't suite. Every year as a coach I see the same problem , too many fixtures that are cancelled due to the weather, and then at the end of the season having sometimes to cram in 3 games a week. This takes a tremendous toll out of the kids. To be fair this isn't a league problem it goes much higher than that. I think its about time the LFA addressed this problem. Its a difficult one and I don't have all the answers but things need to change. Regarding this matter though, the league need to take a long hard look at themselves, because in my opinion they didn't take these kids welfare into account. something that is at the forefront of grassroots football.[/p][/quote]Word for word my thoughts exactly and a mirror to what my attempts in text were aiming at after Fridays article. I'd hoped my opinion that day may have acutely pricked the leagues consciousness but what you have written today should burst their balloon of principles completely The famous saying goes if it ain't broke then don't fix it. Well if problems are coming to light from inside the association at grass roots level then maybe it's time to insert some contingencies Well done to you Sir for making such an eloquent statement. GroundsKeeper Willy
  • Score: 7

2:27am Tue 20 May 14

agenda100 says...

Hi a bit late replying to this story as I have been working shifts, but this struck a chord with me. A couple of years ago I hit the same problem while managing a team in Lancashire under the BBDFL or BBDJFL as it was back then. The league wouldn't budge but I just accepted that nothing could be done and just went along with the crowd. Our lads suffered that season, and I just wish I would have spoken out like the Westhoughton manager has. It is hard to criticise an organisation that is based on voluntary work, but when that organisation isn't looking out for the people that it was intending to do so, then something is wrong. There are lot of good people at the bbdfl, and a few years back it was a great league but at the minute it seems it is being let down by a minority. It is time to take a long good look at yourselves and admit what is going wrong,instead of burying your heads in the sand. I am passionate about this league and one day I hope to bring my team back to it. if anything this is why im writing this report, its time to wake up and smell the coffee, the more people I talk to the more they become disgruntled with the league If everything is running smoothly with your team your ok, BUT, If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can contact the Wigan league...... I did, its not as advanced as the Bolton league but I can say this, the children are the main priority and hopefully always will be. I am sure I will have a lot of negative feedback from the bbdfl supporters, but please be aware I write this with passion for the league to get it back to its former self
Hi a bit late replying to this story as I have been working shifts, but this struck a chord with me. A couple of years ago I hit the same problem while managing a team in Lancashire under the BBDFL or BBDJFL as it was back then. The league wouldn't budge but I just accepted that nothing could be done and just went along with the crowd. Our lads suffered that season, and I just wish I would have spoken out like the Westhoughton manager has. It is hard to criticise an organisation that is based on voluntary work, but when that organisation isn't looking out for the people that it was intending to do so, then something is wrong. There are lot of good people at the bbdfl, and a few years back it was a great league but at the minute it seems it is being let down by a minority. It is time to take a long good look at yourselves and admit what is going wrong,instead of burying your heads in the sand. I am passionate about this league and one day I hope to bring my team back to it. if anything this is why im writing this report, its time to wake up and smell the coffee, the more people I talk to the more they become disgruntled with the league If everything is running smoothly with your team your ok, BUT, If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can contact the Wigan league...... I did, its not as advanced as the Bolton league but I can say this, the children are the main priority and hopefully always will be. I am sure I will have a lot of negative feedback from the bbdfl supporters, but please be aware I write this with passion for the league to get it back to its former self agenda100
  • Score: 5

11:08am Tue 20 May 14

craigthehamster says...

I have just seen a statement from Warren Barlow on the BBDFL website and I have to say sir, hang your head in shame, This is an argument between club and league not the kids and the league. this just backs up everything I had said in my previous comment. This is not the kids fault yet you are potentially going to stop these kids from playing football. Arguments happen on a regular basis between organisations but they get resolved like adults or at least agree to disagree. What you are doing is spitting your dummy out and punishing the Kids
I have just seen a statement from Warren Barlow on the BBDFL website and I have to say sir, hang your head in shame, This is an argument between club and league not the kids and the league. this just backs up everything I had said in my previous comment. This is not the kids fault yet you are potentially going to stop these kids from playing football. Arguments happen on a regular basis between organisations but they get resolved like adults or at least agree to disagree. What you are doing is spitting your dummy out and punishing the Kids craigthehamster
  • Score: 7

12:06pm Tue 20 May 14

rocketman1 says...

I myself run a football team in Bolton, I was going to mention the clubs name in support, but I now fear a backlash from the league , so will keep this anonymous if that's ok. look I have never had a problem with the league, but this has to come down to common sense. you do not punish kids to prove a point. At the very worst, you ask the team you are having trouble with not to register next season. I urge Warren to take his comment of the bbdfl website before it causes more damadge to the league. I think a meeting needs to be had to sort this problem out before it spirals out of control.
I myself run a football team in Bolton, I was going to mention the clubs name in support, but I now fear a backlash from the league , so will keep this anonymous if that's ok. look I have never had a problem with the league, but this has to come down to common sense. you do not punish kids to prove a point. At the very worst, you ask the team you are having trouble with not to register next season. I urge Warren to take his comment of the bbdfl website before it causes more damadge to the league. I think a meeting needs to be had to sort this problem out before it spirals out of control. rocketman1
  • Score: 5

12:12pm Tue 20 May 14

coachesretaliation says...

craigthehamster wrote:
I have just seen a statement from Warren Barlow on the BBDFL website and I have to say sir, hang your head in shame, This is an argument between club and league not the kids and the league. this just backs up everything I had said in my previous comment. This is not the kids fault yet you are potentially going to stop these kids from playing football. Arguments happen on a regular basis between organisations but they get resolved like adults or at least agree to disagree. What you are doing is spitting your dummy out and punishing the Kids
I witnessed first hand the worry and stress this caused to the lads of Westhoughton rangers u16s and I have to say I found it disgusting as a football coach with fourteen years experience I have always put the kids welfare,safety and happiness first and so does the manager of the u16s team every avenue he went down to resolve the problem was blocked by Mr Barlow.Rangers won the league and the cup dispite what was going on around them full credit must go to the team and the manager for coping with themail injustice that came full circle and bit the BBDFL in the neither regions.
[quote][p][bold]craigthehamster[/bold] wrote: I have just seen a statement from Warren Barlow on the BBDFL website and I have to say sir, hang your head in shame, This is an argument between club and league not the kids and the league. this just backs up everything I had said in my previous comment. This is not the kids fault yet you are potentially going to stop these kids from playing football. Arguments happen on a regular basis between organisations but they get resolved like adults or at least agree to disagree. What you are doing is spitting your dummy out and punishing the Kids[/p][/quote]I witnessed first hand the worry and stress this caused to the lads of Westhoughton rangers u16s and I have to say I found it disgusting as a football coach with fourteen years experience I have always put the kids welfare,safety and happiness first and so does the manager of the u16s team every avenue he went down to resolve the problem was blocked by Mr Barlow.Rangers won the league and the cup dispite what was going on around them full credit must go to the team and the manager for coping with themail injustice that came full circle and bit the BBDFL in the neither regions. coachesretaliation
  • Score: 8

12:31pm Tue 20 May 14

maky188 says...

I am Mark Hester, the manager at the centre of all this. and while I would like to thank everyone for their support I must ask for calm. As far as I was concerned this matter was ended at the final whistle on Friday the 16th but the Bolton evening news contacted me to do a nice follow up story on the lads doing the double, their was no malice in this follow up story.
I am Mark Hester, the manager at the centre of all this. and while I would like to thank everyone for their support I must ask for calm. As far as I was concerned this matter was ended at the final whistle on Friday the 16th but the Bolton evening news contacted me to do a nice follow up story on the lads doing the double, their was no malice in this follow up story. maky188
  • Score: 10

2:11pm Tue 20 May 14

GroundsKeeper Willy says...

Hmmm, I thought this issue would have been closed off by the newspaper artcile putting a happy ending on things and the public opinion following on from this would have only been treated as that -"opinion".

I would never have imagined that the league would appear to "take their ball in"...!

It seems public opinions and follow-up comments are being taken too personally and retalliation is based on assumptions of personal criticism and insult rather than looking for constructive opinion.

I hope that my comments have not been construed as a personal attack to either Mr. Barlow or to the league as my opinion was (so i thought)generic to a high ranking role in an association and the nature of the association's response and reaction to a call for help. I could have easily made exactly the same statements to a politician or a company manager whom had made a similar public response. I also merely tried to highlight that there can be exceptional circumstances or obstacles in every planned progamme and sometimes things need a good 2nd glance over, with some extra and/or more sensible plans injecting if required.

It now seems that this is not just a single instance as more comments appear here with similar experiences. For a team coach who wants to include his feelings but choses anonimity for fear of reproach by his league - does that itself not smack one as being odd...!

I have read Mr Barlows reaction on the BBDFL website , written on behalf of the league and again I form the "opinion" that the kids are going to be punished again because of other peoples comments and free opinon being taken as a personal attack rather than a chance to look at problems being highlighted. Sit around a table (maybe informally with a pint) to sort things out and hopefully prevent the same circumstances coming around to bite you all again.

From the comments left above I certainly think the football team should NOT be held personally responsible and also demanded to apologise...

Mr Barlow/BBDFL - if you have taken any of my opinion (from either article) as personal attack then the inention has been seriously mistaken. In my company's senior mgmt role I don't identify problems by pointing fingers at people - I find the issues involved and bring certain people together to work on resolving them, then they also have the sense of achievement upon success.

The league & the team or teams now involved need to sit down and talk it all out. Although this particular situation has passed you can be darn sure that with changes to exam formats, leagues fixtures, our wonderful wet-winters, plus other adolescent worries and pressures this problem WILL happen again in U16s football...

You all need to do something for the sake of these kids and future kids advancing up the years in grass roots football... Don't pull up the drawbridge due to the hearsay of others...

Regards

Bill.
Hmmm, I thought this issue would have been closed off by the newspaper artcile putting a happy ending on things and the public opinion following on from this would have only been treated as that -"opinion". I would never have imagined that the league would appear to "take their ball in"...! It seems public opinions and follow-up comments are being taken too personally and retalliation is based on assumptions of personal criticism and insult rather than looking for constructive opinion. I hope that my comments have not been construed as a personal attack to either Mr. Barlow or to the league as my opinion was (so i thought)generic to a high ranking role in an association and the nature of the association's response and reaction to a call for help. I could have easily made exactly the same statements to a politician or a company manager whom had made a similar public response. I also merely tried to highlight that there can be exceptional circumstances or obstacles in every planned progamme and sometimes things need a good 2nd glance over, with some extra and/or more sensible plans injecting if required. It now seems that this is not just a single instance as more comments appear here with similar experiences. For a team coach who wants to include his feelings but choses anonimity for fear of reproach by his league - does that itself not smack one as being odd...! I have read Mr Barlows reaction on the BBDFL website , written on behalf of the league and again I form the "opinion" that the kids are going to be punished again because of other peoples comments and free opinon being taken as a personal attack rather than a chance to look at problems being highlighted. Sit around a table (maybe informally with a pint) to sort things out and hopefully prevent the same circumstances coming around to bite you all again. From the comments left above I certainly think the football team should NOT be held personally responsible and also demanded to apologise... Mr Barlow/BBDFL - if you have taken any of my opinion (from either article) as personal attack then the inention has been seriously mistaken. In my company's senior mgmt role I don't identify problems by pointing fingers at people - I find the issues involved and bring certain people together to work on resolving them, then they also have the sense of achievement upon success. The league & the team or teams now involved need to sit down and talk it all out. Although this particular situation has passed you can be darn sure that with changes to exam formats, leagues fixtures, our wonderful wet-winters, plus other adolescent worries and pressures this problem WILL happen again in U16s football... You all need to do something for the sake of these kids and future kids advancing up the years in grass roots football... Don't pull up the drawbridge due to the hearsay of others... Regards Bill. GroundsKeeper Willy
  • Score: 6

11:05am Wed 21 May 14

DogLover66 says...

Glad the games got played fairly and squarely and well done to the Bolton News for helping out. Sounds like all the kids got to play and the competion was fair and square in the end.

The league (accepting is made up of volunteers) have really let themselves down this time with their attitude. The committee seem to have a siege mentality where any criticism or even polite suggestions of improvement are met with downright stubbornness and the stock answer is always "if you don't like it, tough, please go and find another league".

The article on the bbdfl website is typical and predictable. I really hope the league can get back to its former glory and improve as its reputation is dwindling. Some of the comms and tweets and articles are very unprofessional and don't paint the league in a good light. Kids deserve much better.
Glad the games got played fairly and squarely and well done to the Bolton News for helping out. Sounds like all the kids got to play and the competion was fair and square in the end. The league (accepting is made up of volunteers) have really let themselves down this time with their attitude. The committee seem to have a siege mentality where any criticism or even polite suggestions of improvement are met with downright stubbornness and the stock answer is always "if you don't like it, tough, please go and find another league". The article on the bbdfl website is typical and predictable. I really hope the league can get back to its former glory and improve as its reputation is dwindling. Some of the comms and tweets and articles are very unprofessional and don't paint the league in a good light. Kids deserve much better. DogLover66
  • Score: 4

2:03pm Wed 21 May 14

agenda100 says...

Well this is the measure of the man Warren Barlow, when this person decides to punish young kids to prove a point, then certainly this must tell the rest of the league he is not the man for the job. Yes, league officials associated with bbdfl I am speaking to you. Anyone with half a brain cell knows that punishing kids in this way is wrong and I challenge you all to come on here and tell me otherwise .He talks a good game when it comes down to grassroots football But that's just it, all talk What must have been going through his mind when he put that statement on the bbdfl website, and why on earth has anybody associated with him asked him to remove it. I will tell you why they are scared of him. well shame on you that you will not speak out and let these kids suffer. Warren Barlow its time to resign
Well this is the measure of the man Warren Barlow, when this person decides to punish young kids to prove a point, then certainly this must tell the rest of the league he is not the man for the job. Yes, league officials associated with bbdfl I am speaking to you. Anyone with half a brain cell knows that punishing kids in this way is wrong and I challenge you all to come on here and tell me otherwise .He talks a good game when it comes down to grassroots football But that's just it, all talk What must have been going through his mind when he put that statement on the bbdfl website, and why on earth has anybody associated with him asked him to remove it. I will tell you why they are scared of him. well shame on you that you will not speak out and let these kids suffer. Warren Barlow its time to resign agenda100
  • Score: 4

4:51pm Wed 21 May 14

coachesretaliation says...

And resign with immediate effect, before he sticks his foot any further into his mouth
And resign with immediate effect, before he sticks his foot any further into his mouth coachesretaliation
  • Score: 1

5:52pm Wed 21 May 14

craigthehamster says...

look, Warren Barlow does a lot for the community, yes I agree, I think he is making a grave mistake if he is potentially stopping children playing football, and looking on the Westhoughton website they have children as young as 7. I am sure and hopeful the league will do a u turn on this. Mr Barlow has had many articles in the Bolton news over the years, if this punishment goes ahead I suggest they do not print anymore. COME ON LEAGUE let common sense prevail
look, Warren Barlow does a lot for the community, yes I agree, I think he is making a grave mistake if he is potentially stopping children playing football, and looking on the Westhoughton website they have children as young as 7. I am sure and hopeful the league will do a u turn on this. Mr Barlow has had many articles in the Bolton news over the years, if this punishment goes ahead I suggest they do not print anymore. COME ON LEAGUE let common sense prevail craigthehamster
  • Score: 2

6:54pm Wed 21 May 14

carlpanter says...

hello everyone I am a manager myself for a Manchester team in the bbdfl, I have read both articles and every comment on here, and all this makes me think is, if you have a problem and speak out against the league, you will get punished, so think on coaches, in this league it looks like you haven't got a voice. its Barlows way or the highway
hello everyone I am a manager myself for a Manchester team in the bbdfl, I have read both articles and every comment on here, and all this makes me think is, if you have a problem and speak out against the league, you will get punished, so think on coaches, in this league it looks like you haven't got a voice. its Barlows way or the highway carlpanter
  • Score: 4

10:32pm Wed 21 May 14

DogLover66 says...

You have to question the judgement of the chairman. Wasn't he suspended from being chairman or a few months by the FA or LFA in the last couple of years and also warned as to conduct? Kids deserve a lot better. Has the potential to be a good league but being badly let down. Doubt anything will change anytime soon tho. Too many egos involved.
You have to question the judgement of the chairman. Wasn't he suspended from being chairman or a few months by the FA or LFA in the last couple of years and also warned as to conduct? Kids deserve a lot better. Has the potential to be a good league but being badly let down. Doubt anything will change anytime soon tho. Too many egos involved. DogLover66
  • Score: 3

12:42am Thu 22 May 14

Mildridge999 says...

I find this absolutely appalling, I have visited their ground a number of times with my sons team, it seems such a good club, surely there is some governing body that is going to protect these kids, please tell me they cant get away with this sort of behaviour, and if they can, then I suggest the club be the bigger person and apologise for the sake of the kids
I find this absolutely appalling, I have visited their ground a number of times with my sons team, it seems such a good club, surely there is some governing body that is going to protect these kids, please tell me they cant get away with this sort of behaviour, and if they can, then I suggest the club be the bigger person and apologise for the sake of the kids Mildridge999
  • Score: 3

1:14am Thu 22 May 14

rocketman1 says...

I know what your saying mildridge99 but sometimes feathers have to be ruffled and a stance be taken to make a change for the better. I think all this coming out now is a good thing, I am hopeful the club will protect the kids,even if the league doesn't. The lancs FA needs to be aware of what is going on here,so hopefully they can get involved and mediate between the two. it interesting to see that neither the league or a Westhoughton official has commented on here. Maybe Westhoughton will hang their manager out to dry
I know what your saying mildridge99 but sometimes feathers have to be ruffled and a stance be taken to make a change for the better. I think all this coming out now is a good thing, I am hopeful the club will protect the kids,even if the league doesn't. The lancs FA needs to be aware of what is going on here,so hopefully they can get involved and mediate between the two. it interesting to see that neither the league or a Westhoughton official has commented on here. Maybe Westhoughton will hang their manager out to dry rocketman1
  • Score: 4

10:15am Thu 22 May 14

PitMon1948 says...

rocketman1 wrote:
I know what your saying mildridge99 but sometimes feathers have to be ruffled and a stance be taken to make a change for the better. I think all this coming out now is a good thing, I am hopeful the club will protect the kids,even if the league doesn't. The lancs FA needs to be aware of what is going on here,so hopefully they can get involved and mediate between the two. it interesting to see that neither the league or a Westhoughton official has commented on here. Maybe Westhoughton will hang their manager out to dry
Its good that neither of the officials left comments here as it may only fuel things again. The only "official" statement posted anywhere seems to be by BBDFL in the news column on the BBDFL website. Unfortunately i think this statement has progressed the negative comments about the league on here and its notthing to do with the team or newspaper story anymore.

Looks like the manager has commented above to ask for calm and news article reads as far as he was concerned it was settled when he got permission changed by the kids schools to have his full squad back during exams.

I reckon the reason the news pubished this in the firstplace was so the manager could plead to the schools he was in a sticky situation and needed help as the league would/could not make any changes to help the team. It seems he was upset with the league at what was happening but the schools restricted his plans to field a squad too. Otherwise the paper's headline could have been worded more damaging or negative towards the league and not about exams and schools.

Good point about LFA involvement but can they be approached directly?. Clubs in the CLJFL where my lad plays can only go through a league secretary to approach LFA, so guessing its the same in Bolton league. Seems a bit weird asking a BBDFL rep to contact LFA to investigate an issue with BBDFL?

At the end of the day its a shame the whole club - right through all its age groups might be denied future registration to BBDFL until the club aplogise over the issues raised by 1 team that will probably disband anyway because they've reached the end of their junior football carreer (I think they stop at 16s there ?).

Its weird that others now come forward to comment on their problems they had/ have with BBDFL. Maybe there is a parrallel universe where you are all actually right and BBDFL could be wrong... LOL
[quote][p][bold]rocketman1[/bold] wrote: I know what your saying mildridge99 but sometimes feathers have to be ruffled and a stance be taken to make a change for the better. I think all this coming out now is a good thing, I am hopeful the club will protect the kids,even if the league doesn't. The lancs FA needs to be aware of what is going on here,so hopefully they can get involved and mediate between the two. it interesting to see that neither the league or a Westhoughton official has commented on here. Maybe Westhoughton will hang their manager out to dry[/p][/quote]Its good that neither of the officials left comments here as it may only fuel things again. The only "official" statement posted anywhere seems to be by BBDFL in the news column on the BBDFL website. Unfortunately i think this statement has progressed the negative comments about the league on here and its notthing to do with the team or newspaper story anymore. Looks like the manager has commented above to ask for calm and news article reads as far as he was concerned it was settled when he got permission changed by the kids schools to have his full squad back during exams. I reckon the reason the news pubished this in the firstplace was so the manager could plead to the schools he was in a sticky situation and needed help as the league would/could not make any changes to help the team. It seems he was upset with the league at what was happening but the schools restricted his plans to field a squad too. Otherwise the paper's headline could have been worded more damaging or negative towards the league and not about exams and schools. Good point about LFA involvement but can they be approached directly?. Clubs in the CLJFL where my lad plays can only go through a league secretary to approach LFA, so guessing its the same in Bolton league. Seems a bit weird asking a BBDFL rep to contact LFA to investigate an issue with BBDFL? At the end of the day its a shame the whole club - right through all its age groups might be denied future registration to BBDFL until the club aplogise over the issues raised by 1 team that will probably disband anyway because they've reached the end of their junior football carreer (I think they stop at 16s there ?). Its weird that others now come forward to comment on their problems they had/ have with BBDFL. Maybe there is a parrallel universe where you are all actually right and BBDFL could be wrong... LOL PitMon1948
  • Score: 2

10:25am Thu 22 May 14

DogLover66 says...

Why have the league appeared to be wanting the WHOLE club incuding 6 to 15 year olds to leave if they have an issue with ONE 16 year old team? It's symptomatic of the culture of the league. As mentioned above the league have a track record for handling things very badly when it comes to complaints, resulting in the chairman being suspended and then eventually banned for several months. Rapidly becoming known as the Bully Boys District Football League.
Why have the league appeared to be wanting the WHOLE club incuding 6 to 15 year olds to leave if they have an issue with ONE 16 year old team? It's symptomatic of the culture of the league. As mentioned above the league have a track record for handling things very badly when it comes to complaints, resulting in the chairman being suspended and then eventually banned for several months. Rapidly becoming known as the Bully Boys District Football League. DogLover66
  • Score: 2

10:53am Thu 22 May 14

DogLover66 says...

As above, Not 100% sure of the details on ban or suspension actually but the league were warned over the handling of the way they kicked a team out of the league apparently and then it seems the chairman got suspended by LFA apparently not that long after... doesnt sound great.
As above, Not 100% sure of the details on ban or suspension actually but the league were warned over the handling of the way they kicked a team out of the league apparently and then it seems the chairman got suspended by LFA apparently not that long after... doesnt sound great. DogLover66
  • Score: 2

11:59am Thu 22 May 14

Trouthunter says...

How have league kept charter status if they repeatly not good at handling clubs and problems properly. Is chairman ruling with iron fist. From league statement it looks like his way or highway. Is it him demanding apology or committee. Either way not professional behaviour for a charter mark business.
Excluding everyone else because of a disagreement with 1 ? Totally redic!
It's all the other teams n kids that he's punishing now. Not the ones who had the problem if they r finished junior football anyway.
Embarrassing by league. :-(
How have league kept charter status if they repeatly not good at handling clubs and problems properly. Is chairman ruling with iron fist. From league statement it looks like his way or highway. Is it him demanding apology or committee. Either way not professional behaviour for a charter mark business. Excluding everyone else because of a disagreement with 1 ? Totally redic! It's all the other teams n kids that he's punishing now. Not the ones who had the problem if they r finished junior football anyway. Embarrassing by league. :-( Trouthunter
  • Score: 2

12:06pm Thu 22 May 14

DogLover66 says...

Looks like league have taken down the article on their website. Must have realised how poor it looked. All they had to do was be the bigger people and not post an article like that and move on. Sends out totally the wrong message. Who's game is it?
Looks like league have taken down the article on their website. Must have realised how poor it looked. All they had to do was be the bigger people and not post an article like that and move on. Sends out totally the wrong message. Who's game is it? DogLover66
  • Score: 4

12:50pm Thu 22 May 14

Trouthunter says...

DogLover66 wrote:
Looks like league have taken down the article on their website. Must have realised how poor it looked. All they had to do was be the bigger people and not post an article like that and move on. Sends out totally the wrong message. Who's game is it?
They did right thing taking it off. Maybe they admit they did something wrong writing that then. So shud they now apologise to Westhoughton club for posting it. The team n club did right thing by not joining in or retaliate with another official statement from them. Maybe the newspaper shud follow up bbdfl retracting the official statement to find out why they did it or felt need to post in 1st place. Or bbdfl should post a reason on ther internet why they took down ther news article. Better still write an apology if they made a mistake n said sumthin wrong n decided to take it down.

This is better than Eastenders.
[quote][p][bold]DogLover66[/bold] wrote: Looks like league have taken down the article on their website. Must have realised how poor it looked. All they had to do was be the bigger people and not post an article like that and move on. Sends out totally the wrong message. Who's game is it?[/p][/quote]They did right thing taking it off. Maybe they admit they did something wrong writing that then. So shud they now apologise to Westhoughton club for posting it. The team n club did right thing by not joining in or retaliate with another official statement from them. Maybe the newspaper shud follow up bbdfl retracting the official statement to find out why they did it or felt need to post in 1st place. Or bbdfl should post a reason on ther internet why they took down ther news article. Better still write an apology if they made a mistake n said sumthin wrong n decided to take it down. This is better than Eastenders. Trouthunter
  • Score: 3

12:58pm Thu 22 May 14

GroundsKeeper Willy says...

Trouthunter wrote:
DogLover66 wrote:
Looks like league have taken down the article on their website. Must have realised how poor it looked. All they had to do was be the bigger people and not post an article like that and move on. Sends out totally the wrong message. Who's game is it?
They did right thing taking it off. Maybe they admit they did something wrong writing that then. So shud they now apologise to Westhoughton club for posting it. The team n club did right thing by not joining in or retaliate with another official statement from them. Maybe the newspaper shud follow up bbdfl retracting the official statement to find out why they did it or felt need to post in 1st place. Or bbdfl should post a reason on ther internet why they took down ther news article. Better still write an apology if they made a mistake n said sumthin wrong n decided to take it down.

This is better than Eastenders.
A bit of Common sense shown by league at last. Now will they shake hands apologise for upsetting the club and then drop it?
Well done Westhoughton for keeping professional about it and staying quiet.

Eastenders quote..... love it!
[quote][p][bold]Trouthunter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DogLover66[/bold] wrote: Looks like league have taken down the article on their website. Must have realised how poor it looked. All they had to do was be the bigger people and not post an article like that and move on. Sends out totally the wrong message. Who's game is it?[/p][/quote]They did right thing taking it off. Maybe they admit they did something wrong writing that then. So shud they now apologise to Westhoughton club for posting it. The team n club did right thing by not joining in or retaliate with another official statement from them. Maybe the newspaper shud follow up bbdfl retracting the official statement to find out why they did it or felt need to post in 1st place. Or bbdfl should post a reason on ther internet why they took down ther news article. Better still write an apology if they made a mistake n said sumthin wrong n decided to take it down. This is better than Eastenders.[/p][/quote]A bit of Common sense shown by league at last. Now will they shake hands apologise for upsetting the club and then drop it? Well done Westhoughton for keeping professional about it and staying quiet. Eastenders quote..... love it! GroundsKeeper Willy
  • Score: 3

3:44pm Thu 22 May 14

coachesretaliation says...

... Lets hope nothing is carried on at the presentation,that would be rather embarrassing for the league but also unpleasant for the lads of Westhoughton. On a happier note well done to Westhoughton rangers u16s for doing the double and good luck for the future whatever that may be
... Lets hope nothing is carried on at the presentation,that would be rather embarrassing for the league but also unpleasant for the lads of Westhoughton. On a happier note well done to Westhoughton rangers u16s for doing the double and good luck for the future whatever that may be coachesretaliation
  • Score: 3

6:25pm Thu 22 May 14

PitMon1948 says...

Good news that BBDFL chairman has took his sulky letter off the website as that werent helping no one. Maybe an apology is due to the westhoughton club as they were publicly made accountable for something were everyone else was making comments about the league. LFA still need to look into whats happened so they can stop it from happening again. catching up on up to 3 footy games a week in last weeks of a season, playoffs, cup finals and GCSEs are never going to mix good for 16yr olds. If it was my lad this was happening to, the CLJFL reps would definately have their roles tested sorting this out.

That chairman needs a strict word in his shell-like or his knuckles rapped from the LFA gods too. Good Luck getting thru BBDFL to reach LFA with that one.
Good news that BBDFL chairman has took his sulky letter off the website as that werent helping no one. Maybe an apology is due to the westhoughton club as they were publicly made accountable for something were everyone else was making comments about the league. LFA still need to look into whats happened so they can stop it from happening again. catching up on up to 3 footy games a week in last weeks of a season, playoffs, cup finals and GCSEs are never going to mix good for 16yr olds. If it was my lad this was happening to, the CLJFL reps would definately have their roles tested sorting this out. That chairman needs a strict word in his shell-like or his knuckles rapped from the LFA gods too. Good Luck getting thru BBDFL to reach LFA with that one. PitMon1948
  • Score: 4

9:22am Mon 26 May 14

warrenbarlow says...

Could I just make a couple of points as there are some poor il-informed comments on here:

1) I didn't know anything about the play-off arrangements until the Bolton News contacted me on the Thursday before the game as I was working away in London for the 2 weeks prior.

2) I had nothing to do with the decisions made, but fully support those decisions once I was informed

3) The league did not seek to inflame the situation and they did not go to the paper. I responded to questions posed by reporters from the Bolton News

4) The league has been described as "disgraceful" and the club is "disgusted" at the way the league has acted

5) I will vigorously defend the league from comments such as this as I am fully aware all decisions are made after careful consideration of all the facts. In this instance the facts show the league decision was correct ad the club did in fact have a full squad for their games.

6) In relation to the BBDFL statement. We fully stand by it, which actually states If (the club) feels the BBDFL is disgraceful and they are disgusted with the way it is run, then they should go elsewhere. At no point does it state the club is being kicked out or the players are being punished.
7) It is just common sense! If I went to a disgusting and disgraceful restaurant. I wouldn't be going back anytime soon. I also had nothing to do with its removal from the site as this was done without my knowledge, but I understand that sometimes it's best to just walk away and let sleeping dogs lie.

8) there are some great local leagues including: North Bury, Wigan, Tameside, Salford, Warrington and Central Lancs. We would even assist any club who wished to move, as playing the game and participation is far more important than winning to us.

9) So yes I am outspoken and passionate about supporting the league committee, the clubs, players and officials, but all decisions made are done by some decent volunteers working hard to balance the demands of the few with the fairness for the majority

10) finally, in relation to my 6 month suspension for an open letter criticising the FA, this was agreed by a majority decision by the committee at the time and I as Chairman took the charges on behalf of our committee. I have no regrets whatsoever and would gladly do it again in support of the league and it's members

Kind regards

Warren
Could I just make a couple of points as there are some poor il-informed comments on here: 1) I didn't know anything about the play-off arrangements until the Bolton News contacted me on the Thursday before the game as I was working away in London for the 2 weeks prior. 2) I had nothing to do with the decisions made, but fully support those decisions once I was informed 3) The league did not seek to inflame the situation and they did not go to the paper. I responded to questions posed by reporters from the Bolton News 4) The league has been described as "disgraceful" and the club is "disgusted" at the way the league has acted 5) I will vigorously defend the league from comments such as this as I am fully aware all decisions are made after careful consideration of all the facts. In this instance the facts show the league decision was correct ad the club did in fact have a full squad for their games. 6) In relation to the BBDFL statement. We fully stand by it, which actually states If (the club) feels the BBDFL is disgraceful and they are disgusted with the way it is run, then they should go elsewhere. At no point does it state the club is being kicked out or the players are being punished. 7) It is just common sense! If I went to a disgusting and disgraceful restaurant. I wouldn't be going back anytime soon. I also had nothing to do with its removal from the site as this was done without my knowledge, but I understand that sometimes it's best to just walk away and let sleeping dogs lie. 8) there are some great local leagues including: North Bury, Wigan, Tameside, Salford, Warrington and Central Lancs. We would even assist any club who wished to move, as playing the game and participation is far more important than winning to us. 9) So yes I am outspoken and passionate about supporting the league committee, the clubs, players and officials, but all decisions made are done by some decent volunteers working hard to balance the demands of the few with the fairness for the majority 10) finally, in relation to my 6 month suspension for an open letter criticising the FA, this was agreed by a majority decision by the committee at the time and I as Chairman took the charges on behalf of our committee. I have no regrets whatsoever and would gladly do it again in support of the league and it's members Kind regards Warren warrenbarlow
  • Score: -4

7:03pm Mon 26 May 14

Trouthunter says...

Somebody needs to take this guys spade off him. ! Lol
Somebody needs to take this guys spade off him. ! Lol Trouthunter
  • Score: 5

7:32pm Mon 26 May 14

warrenbarlow says...

Trouthunter wrote:
How have league kept charter status if they repeatly not good at handling clubs and problems properly. Is chairman ruling with iron fist. From league statement it looks like his way or highway. Is it him demanding apology or committee. Either way not professional behaviour for a charter mark business.
Excluding everyone else because of a disagreement with 1 ? Totally redic!
It's all the other teams n kids that he's punishing now. Not the ones who had the problem if they r finished junior football anyway.
Embarrassing by league. :-(
I take it the trout prefers other leagues.

17,500 games this season with one match which one team didn't agree and went complaining to the local paper to get their own way.

As for excluding..... You obviously have a problem with English as nobody has or will be excluded.

Also...... Why would anybody want to be in a disgraceful disgusting league?

As for iron fist, I didn't know about any of this until the press contacted me!

As for not being professional.

Professional organisations don't bow down to bully boy tactics through local media and succumb to the whim of one team at the detriment of others.

Now this is my last post on this, but I don't mind leaving my details, because I am man enough to stand by my convictions.

My view for what it is worth... This is far more damaging for the club than the league and I will prove it when the increased numbers joining the league again for next season are announced in August.

So please stop your spiteful, ignorant, sniping when you obviously haven't a clue what you are talking about.

Good day Trouthunter!

Warren Barlow
Chairman
BBDFL
[quote][p][bold]Trouthunter[/bold] wrote: How have league kept charter status if they repeatly not good at handling clubs and problems properly. Is chairman ruling with iron fist. From league statement it looks like his way or highway. Is it him demanding apology or committee. Either way not professional behaviour for a charter mark business. Excluding everyone else because of a disagreement with 1 ? Totally redic! It's all the other teams n kids that he's punishing now. Not the ones who had the problem if they r finished junior football anyway. Embarrassing by league. :-([/p][/quote]I take it the trout prefers other leagues. 17,500 games this season with one match which one team didn't agree and went complaining to the local paper to get their own way. As for excluding..... You obviously have a problem with English as nobody has or will be excluded. Also...... Why would anybody want to be in a disgraceful disgusting league? As for iron fist, I didn't know about any of this until the press contacted me! As for not being professional. Professional organisations don't bow down to bully boy tactics through local media and succumb to the whim of one team at the detriment of others. Now this is my last post on this, but I don't mind leaving my details, because I am man enough to stand by my convictions. My view for what it is worth... This is far more damaging for the club than the league and I will prove it when the increased numbers joining the league again for next season are announced in August. So please stop your spiteful, ignorant, sniping when you obviously haven't a clue what you are talking about. Good day Trouthunter! Warren Barlow Chairman BBDFL warrenbarlow
  • Score: -6

8:09pm Mon 26 May 14

Trouthunter says...

Dear Warren,

Take some advice from the profile picture tony crosbie put on your grass roots football group Facebook page.

KEEP CALM AND STAY QUIET.

People have opinions and that's all they are - opinions. they/I don't know all the facts so comment on theyre take on things. You bleating on about things people have said in their opinions and blasting them for it is more damaging for you and the league.

Sticks n stones mate. Let it go. If it's not true and people have made a wrong opinion then you don't need to defend it.

Have a coke and a smile. :)
Dear Warren, Take some advice from the profile picture tony crosbie put on your grass roots football group Facebook page. KEEP CALM AND STAY QUIET. People have opinions and that's all they are - opinions. they/I don't know all the facts so comment on theyre take on things. You bleating on about things people have said in their opinions and blasting them for it is more damaging for you and the league. Sticks n stones mate. Let it go. If it's not true and people have made a wrong opinion then you don't need to defend it. Have a coke and a smile. :) Trouthunter
  • Score: 6

9:06pm Mon 26 May 14

craigthehamster says...

Once again I am a supporter of the bbdfl league, but once again this is going off track, Warren you obviously have not read both articles, the only reason the team were able to field a full squad, as the newspaper reported was that the school/schools changed their revision class times, so the players involved could play. As for not going to the press, yes you didn't, but you seem intent on making things worse for yourself. have you ever heard the word no comment? , whether its 1 team or 100 teams that have a problem, what does it matter, the league should do its upmost to support and help these team/teams . Having read all the comments and articles you seem hell bent on making it a us vs them scenario. This manager obviously had his lads best interest at heart. I Hope this manager explored every avenue before going to the press, and if you deem this didn't happen then ok, but why don't you concentrate on this not happening again, admit their was a problem and maybe one in the future.
Once again I am a supporter of the bbdfl league, but once again this is going off track, Warren you obviously have not read both articles, the only reason the team were able to field a full squad, as the newspaper reported was that the school/schools changed their revision class times, so the players involved could play. As for not going to the press, yes you didn't, but you seem intent on making things worse for yourself. have you ever heard the word no comment? , whether its 1 team or 100 teams that have a problem, what does it matter, the league should do its upmost to support and help these team/teams . Having read all the comments and articles you seem hell bent on making it a us vs them scenario. This manager obviously had his lads best interest at heart. I Hope this manager explored every avenue before going to the press, and if you deem this didn't happen then ok, but why don't you concentrate on this not happening again, admit their was a problem and maybe one in the future. craigthehamster
  • Score: 5

4:49pm Wed 28 May 14

Keeper of the Peace says...

warrenbarlow wrote:
Trouthunter wrote:
How have league kept charter status if they repeatly not good at handling clubs and problems properly. Is chairman ruling with iron fist. From league statement it looks like his way or highway. Is it him demanding apology or committee. Either way not professional behaviour for a charter mark business.
Excluding everyone else because of a disagreement with 1 ? Totally redic!
It's all the other teams n kids that he's punishing now. Not the ones who had the problem if they r finished junior football anyway.
Embarrassing by league. :-(
I take it the trout prefers other leagues.

17,500 games this season with one match which one team didn't agree and went complaining to the local paper to get their own way.

As for excluding..... You obviously have a problem with English as nobody has or will be excluded.

Also...... Why would anybody want to be in a disgraceful disgusting league?

As for iron fist, I didn't know about any of this until the press contacted me!

As for not being professional.

Professional organisations don't bow down to bully boy tactics through local media and succumb to the whim of one team at the detriment of others.

Now this is my last post on this, but I don't mind leaving my details, because I am man enough to stand by my convictions.

My view for what it is worth... This is far more damaging for the club than the league and I will prove it when the increased numbers joining the league again for next season are announced in August.

So please stop your spiteful, ignorant, sniping when you obviously haven't a clue what you are talking about.

Good day Trouthunter!

Warren Barlow
Chairman
BBDFL
I think Warren "the Ego" Barlow should read his post again before criticizing anyones standard of English
[quote][p][bold]warrenbarlow[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Trouthunter[/bold] wrote: How have league kept charter status if they repeatly not good at handling clubs and problems properly. Is chairman ruling with iron fist. From league statement it looks like his way or highway. Is it him demanding apology or committee. Either way not professional behaviour for a charter mark business. Excluding everyone else because of a disagreement with 1 ? Totally redic! It's all the other teams n kids that he's punishing now. Not the ones who had the problem if they r finished junior football anyway. Embarrassing by league. :-([/p][/quote]I take it the trout prefers other leagues. 17,500 games this season with one match which one team didn't agree and went complaining to the local paper to get their own way. As for excluding..... You obviously have a problem with English as nobody has or will be excluded. Also...... Why would anybody want to be in a disgraceful disgusting league? As for iron fist, I didn't know about any of this until the press contacted me! As for not being professional. Professional organisations don't bow down to bully boy tactics through local media and succumb to the whim of one team at the detriment of others. Now this is my last post on this, but I don't mind leaving my details, because I am man enough to stand by my convictions. My view for what it is worth... This is far more damaging for the club than the league and I will prove it when the increased numbers joining the league again for next season are announced in August. So please stop your spiteful, ignorant, sniping when you obviously haven't a clue what you are talking about. Good day Trouthunter! Warren Barlow Chairman BBDFL[/p][/quote]I think Warren "the Ego" Barlow should read his post again before criticizing anyones standard of English Keeper of the Peace
  • Score: 0

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