Ban-threat model aircraft man serves legal action on Blackburn with Darwen council

This Is Lancashire: Top, Michael Parkinson ready to serve a summons on the council about not being able to fly his model aircraft in Pleasington Top, Michael Parkinson ready to serve a summons on the council about not being able to fly his model aircraft in Pleasington

THE BATTLE for Blackburn’s skies between a 72-year-old model aircraft enthusiast and the borough council was stepped up yesterday when he served legal papers on the town hall.

Michael Parkinson is seeking injunctions against the council and Blackburn and District Model Aircraft Club over their threat to prevent him flying his planes on Pleasington playing field.

Blackburn with Darwen Council’s legal department warned the pensioner it will take him to court and have him removed from the fields by police if necessary.

In 2012, the Pendle Drive resident was refused membership of the Blackburn and District Model Aircraft Club, which organises the sport in the borough, and then banned from using the fields by the council in a dispute over its exclusive rights over who flies there.

Despite the warnings, Mr Parkinson remains determined to fly his models at the spot where he first took his remote-controlled plane aged 11.

Now, he has served legal papers on both the council and club, seeking an injunction from Burnley Crown Court forbidding them from ‘preventing the claimant from flying powered model aircraft’ on the fields.

He has also asked the council to produce the agreement it claims exists giving the club exclusive rights over who flies there and when.

Mr Parkinson, who has seven radio-controlled planes and gliders with wing-spans of up to 12 feet, has also circulated a letter to members of the borough executive board outlining his case.

He said: “The council is here to serve the people of the borough not tell them what to do.

“I am prepared to take this to the High Court if necessary.

“Despite being told I cannot fly on Pleasington fields, I will do so.

“I cannot understand why the council is wasting taxpayers’ money on this issue.”

Since BDMAC refused him membership, Mr Parkinson has taken both the club and council to court, written dozens of letters and held meetings with officials of both bodies.

Blackburn MP Jack Straw has tried to resolve the row, but Mr Parkinson has declined his offer to meet him at one of his regular constituency surgeries.

A council spokesman said: “We have received legal documentation from Mr Parkinson and will be looking at it in due course.”

BDMAC secretary Kevin Watson declined to comment on Mr Parkinson’s latest legal move.

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5:38pm Tue 13 May 14

wilddog says...

They will cave in and let hm fly unless..............
....................
.... you poll tax payers in blackburn dont mind your money being spent fighting it?
They will cave in and let hm fly unless.............. .................... .... you poll tax payers in blackburn dont mind your money being spent fighting it? wilddog
  • Score: 6

5:40pm Tue 13 May 14

phil kernot says...

Fair play to him has the council got a secret society who can and who cannot walk on the fields next ,,,, have you noticed how our common land is being subbed out for profit rovers home games down Ewood across from the thwaites red brick therarte, you can park there all week for free and the other areas ,, but come Saturday you have to pay ,,, we pay our council tax for this land open your eyes were being mugged over
Fair play to him has the council got a secret society who can and who cannot walk on the fields next ,,,, have you noticed how our common land is being subbed out for profit rovers home games down Ewood across from the thwaites red brick therarte, you can park there all week for free and the other areas ,, but come Saturday you have to pay ,,, we pay our council tax for this land open your eyes were being mugged over phil kernot
  • Score: 22

6:21pm Tue 13 May 14

burner says...

Don't wind him up . . . he tends to fly off the handle !
Don't wind him up . . . he tends to fly off the handle ! burner
  • Score: -8

6:28pm Tue 13 May 14

hunter3062 says...

wilddog wrote:
They will cave in and let hm fly unless..............

....................

.... you poll tax payers in blackburn dont mind your money being spent fighting it?
not paid poll tax for a good few years.doubt they have any left after all these years..
[quote][p][bold]wilddog[/bold] wrote: They will cave in and let hm fly unless.............. .................... .... you poll tax payers in blackburn dont mind your money being spent fighting it?[/p][/quote]not paid poll tax for a good few years.doubt they have any left after all these years.. hunter3062
  • Score: 4

6:49pm Tue 13 May 14

expat pop says...

We need more Mr Parkinsons. The council are paid servants, but they dont often conduct themselves so.
We need more Mr Parkinsons. The council are paid servants, but they dont often conduct themselves so. expat pop
  • Score: 21

8:34pm Tue 13 May 14

B52bomber says...

I am with you all the way on this, as the council fail to act in the right places ie - private madressa"s in the audley area, 22 currently running illegally, council not doing anything regards to this practice. Very severe elements around these establishments but nobody cares or is prepared to act on behalf of the council. Yet they are prepared to waste cash on a petty thing
I am with you all the way on this, as the council fail to act in the right places ie - private madressa"s in the audley area, 22 currently running illegally, council not doing anything regards to this practice. Very severe elements around these establishments but nobody cares or is prepared to act on behalf of the council. Yet they are prepared to waste cash on a petty thing B52bomber
  • Score: 20

9:59pm Tue 13 May 14

fedup with your lies says...

expat pop wrote:
We need more Mr Parkinsons. The council are paid servants, but they dont often conduct themselves so.
Spot on!!!😊
[quote][p][bold]expat pop[/bold] wrote: We need more Mr Parkinsons. The council are paid servants, but they dont often conduct themselves so.[/p][/quote]Spot on!!!😊 fedup with your lies
  • Score: 9

10:57pm Tue 13 May 14

The Doc. says...

Yes but I think I've seen him at Blacksnape flying off the cricket pitch and when the kids are having to move their football games because they're frightened of being hit it shows why he's not allowed to fly at Pleasington where responsible people fly. Why was he refused membership of the model aircraft club? Could it be because he's dangerous to those around him? Council are dead right on this.
Yes but I think I've seen him at Blacksnape flying off the cricket pitch and when the kids are having to move their football games because they're frightened of being hit it shows why he's not allowed to fly at Pleasington where responsible people fly. Why was he refused membership of the model aircraft club? Could it be because he's dangerous to those around him? Council are dead right on this. The Doc.
  • Score: -8

11:27pm Tue 13 May 14

wilddog says...

The Doc. wrote:
Yes but I think I've seen him at Blacksnape flying off the cricket pitch and when the kids are having to move their football games because they're frightened of being hit it shows why he's not allowed to fly at Pleasington where responsible people fly. Why was he refused membership of the model aircraft club? Could it be because he's dangerous to those around him? Council are dead right on this.
flying off the cricket pitch while they are trying to play football?
[quote][p][bold]The Doc.[/bold] wrote: Yes but I think I've seen him at Blacksnape flying off the cricket pitch and when the kids are having to move their football games because they're frightened of being hit it shows why he's not allowed to fly at Pleasington where responsible people fly. Why was he refused membership of the model aircraft club? Could it be because he's dangerous to those around him? Council are dead right on this.[/p][/quote]flying off the cricket pitch while they are trying to play football? wilddog
  • Score: 7

12:16am Wed 14 May 14

ikap22 says...

wilddog wrote:
They will cave in and let hm fly unless..............

....................

.... you poll tax payers in blackburn dont mind your money being spent fighting it?
Poll tax? What century you live in? Oh, did you manage to report me to LT. NERD😀😀😀
[quote][p][bold]wilddog[/bold] wrote: They will cave in and let hm fly unless.............. .................... .... you poll tax payers in blackburn dont mind your money being spent fighting it?[/p][/quote]Poll tax? What century you live in? Oh, did you manage to report me to LT. NERD😀😀😀 ikap22
  • Score: 0

12:36am Wed 14 May 14

Malthus says...

wilddog wrote:
The Doc. wrote:
Yes but I think I've seen him at Blacksnape flying off the cricket pitch and when the kids are having to move their football games because they're frightened of being hit it shows why he's not allowed to fly at Pleasington where responsible people fly. Why was he refused membership of the model aircraft club? Could it be because he's dangerous to those around him? Council are dead right on this.
flying off the cricket pitch while they are trying to play football?
The cricket pitches are very close to the football pitches and I have often seen model plane flyers using the area that comprises the bowlers end to the wicket end of the cricket pitch as a runway for take off and landing. However, once the planes have taken off they are flown across the entire playing field area. I have witnessed on occasion, reckless individuals who fly their planes in an inconsiderate way, which causes alarm to lots of people in the vicinity. There is also the issue of noise too. These planes disturb the peace of other individuals who would rather enjoy the fields without the high pitched noise pollution that accompanies this pastime. Incidentally with regard to remote control models I would like to see a complete ban on the high speed remote control cars that are often taken to Blacksnape fields. These vehicles destroy both the peace and also the playing areas, especially after a wet spell. It only takes half an hour of one of these vehicles being driven over the cricket and football pitches to destroy the work that the grounds people put in to make the pitches a good location for team games.

Finally, I do think there is more to this story than we are currently receiving. Often such small clubs are more than happy to to welcome back old members and also welcome new blood as members are needed to keep them running. I really would like more information as to why Mr Parkinson has been refused membership of the club, from both himself and also from the club itself. As people say, "there are two sides to every story"
[quote][p][bold]wilddog[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Doc.[/bold] wrote: Yes but I think I've seen him at Blacksnape flying off the cricket pitch and when the kids are having to move their football games because they're frightened of being hit it shows why he's not allowed to fly at Pleasington where responsible people fly. Why was he refused membership of the model aircraft club? Could it be because he's dangerous to those around him? Council are dead right on this.[/p][/quote]flying off the cricket pitch while they are trying to play football?[/p][/quote]The cricket pitches are very close to the football pitches and I have often seen model plane flyers using the area that comprises the bowlers end to the wicket end of the cricket pitch as a runway for take off and landing. However, once the planes have taken off they are flown across the entire playing field area. I have witnessed on occasion, reckless individuals who fly their planes in an inconsiderate way, which causes alarm to lots of people in the vicinity. There is also the issue of noise too. These planes disturb the peace of other individuals who would rather enjoy the fields without the high pitched noise pollution that accompanies this pastime. Incidentally with regard to remote control models I would like to see a complete ban on the high speed remote control cars that are often taken to Blacksnape fields. These vehicles destroy both the peace and also the playing areas, especially after a wet spell. It only takes half an hour of one of these vehicles being driven over the cricket and football pitches to destroy the work that the grounds people put in to make the pitches a good location for team games. Finally, I do think there is more to this story than we are currently receiving. Often such small clubs are more than happy to to welcome back old members and also welcome new blood as members are needed to keep them running. I really would like more information as to why Mr Parkinson has been refused membership of the club, from both himself and also from the club itself. As people say, "there are two sides to every story" Malthus
  • Score: 11

12:54am Wed 14 May 14

woolywords says...

If, as was written in this paper a few weeks ago is true, that BwD has ceded rights to fly anything, in any park of the borough, to this group, then Mr Parkinson is entirely right to challenge them in the courts.
Irrespective of the issues in this case, the Council has no right to make a private agreement with any private organisation, even if Mr Parkinson was party to it at that time, without having given either the public, nor Council members, an opportunity to discuss this matter.
And another thing, let's drop all this emotive rhetoric regarding the risk of death in this discussion, as it serves nobody any good, whatsoever. Unless anyone can show a SINGLE case of where someone was killed by a model aircraft whilst in a public park, then these words should not be used to raise tempers. Unless you want to ban all ball games; given the numbers of serious injuries, (and documented deaths,) that have occurred in the past?
The council should tear up this agreement between them and this flying club, then put the matter out to public consultation, so that a proper and full consensus can be achieved, instead of this pointless war of words.
As someone, completely ignorant of this bylaw/agreement, who has flown an helicopter in the Corporation Park, without any complaint from either park workers nor members of the public, I think it time that this matter was resolved, without need of a lawyer, to everyone's satisfaction.
There exists, certain times of the day, usually in or around either Dawn or Sunset, hours of still, calm air and the parks are virtually empty, except for the odd dog walker, when aircraft can be flown in comparative safety and peace, for the enjoyment of all.
If, as was written in this paper a few weeks ago is true, that BwD has ceded rights to fly anything, in any park of the borough, to this group, then Mr Parkinson is entirely right to challenge them in the courts. Irrespective of the issues in this case, the Council has no right to make a private agreement with any private organisation, even if Mr Parkinson was party to it at that time, without having given either the public, nor Council members, an opportunity to discuss this matter. And another thing, let's drop all this emotive rhetoric regarding the risk of death in this discussion, as it serves nobody any good, whatsoever. Unless anyone can show a SINGLE case of where someone was killed by a model aircraft whilst in a public park, then these words should not be used to raise tempers. Unless you want to ban all ball games; given the numbers of serious injuries, (and documented deaths,) that have occurred in the past? The council should tear up this agreement between them and this flying club, then put the matter out to public consultation, so that a proper and full consensus can be achieved, instead of this pointless war of words. As someone, completely ignorant of this bylaw/agreement, who has flown an helicopter in the Corporation Park, without any complaint from either park workers nor members of the public, I think it time that this matter was resolved, without need of a lawyer, to everyone's satisfaction. There exists, certain times of the day, usually in or around either Dawn or Sunset, hours of still, calm air and the parks are virtually empty, except for the odd dog walker, when aircraft can be flown in comparative safety and peace, for the enjoyment of all. woolywords
  • Score: 9

7:47am Wed 14 May 14

rogersrevenge says...

this guy has nothing better to do, he is always sat in the postal order creating and maintaining an arguement that causes friction with other customers and thinks he knows it all, and the council are nothing but trouble,,, as he tends to comment, always bad mouthing, has been banned from the club?? makes you wonder why in the 1st place he got banned originally?? clearly if an accident happens with these planes.. who do think that gets blamed?? sorry but this guy is a weirdo in my eyes!!
this guy has nothing better to do, he is always sat in the postal order creating and maintaining an arguement that causes friction with other customers and thinks he knows it all, and the council are nothing but trouble,,, as he tends to comment, always bad mouthing, has been banned from the club?? makes you wonder why in the 1st place he got banned originally?? clearly if an accident happens with these planes.. who do think that gets blamed?? sorry but this guy is a weirdo in my eyes!! rogersrevenge
  • Score: 0

8:02am Wed 14 May 14

BlackburnEyes says...

woolywords wrote:
If, as was written in this paper a few weeks ago is true, that BwD has ceded rights to fly anything, in any park of the borough, to this group, then Mr Parkinson is entirely right to challenge them in the courts. Irrespective of the issues in this case, the Council has no right to make a private agreement with any private organisation, even if Mr Parkinson was party to it at that time, without having given either the public, nor Council members, an opportunity to discuss this matter. And another thing, let's drop all this emotive rhetoric regarding the risk of death in this discussion, as it serves nobody any good, whatsoever. Unless anyone can show a SINGLE case of where someone was killed by a model aircraft whilst in a public park, then these words should not be used to raise tempers. Unless you want to ban all ball games; given the numbers of serious injuries, (and documented deaths,) that have occurred in the past? The council should tear up this agreement between them and this flying club, then put the matter out to public consultation, so that a proper and full consensus can be achieved, instead of this pointless war of words. As someone, completely ignorant of this bylaw/agreement, who has flown an helicopter in the Corporation Park, without any complaint from either park workers nor members of the public, I think it time that this matter was resolved, without need of a lawyer, to everyone's satisfaction. There exists, certain times of the day, usually in or around either Dawn or Sunset, hours of still, calm air and the parks are virtually empty, except for the odd dog walker, when aircraft can be flown in comparative safety and peace, for the enjoyment of all.
Many years ago when i was a kid i throughly enjoyed watching the planes fly at pleasington with the artifical cricket wicket carpet used as a runway whilst my dad played cricket in the next field! surely this issue is totally blown out of proportion and surely BwDBC cannot enforce that you can only fly a plane if you belong to the only club in existence?? surely....does that mean if i dont belong to the lie-bour club i dont need pay for the union t*wats the council pays for carrying out union duties?????!?? or for that matter pay for the entire executive council who get paid for borough duties but actually carry out thier party political agendas....surely surely not....Kate Hollern hang your a*rse in shame if you can manage it

Fly on old fruit......fly on....and if they evict you fly the plane from a private piece of land if you come to mellor brook there are plenty of sympathisers ;)
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: If, as was written in this paper a few weeks ago is true, that BwD has ceded rights to fly anything, in any park of the borough, to this group, then Mr Parkinson is entirely right to challenge them in the courts. Irrespective of the issues in this case, the Council has no right to make a private agreement with any private organisation, even if Mr Parkinson was party to it at that time, without having given either the public, nor Council members, an opportunity to discuss this matter. And another thing, let's drop all this emotive rhetoric regarding the risk of death in this discussion, as it serves nobody any good, whatsoever. Unless anyone can show a SINGLE case of where someone was killed by a model aircraft whilst in a public park, then these words should not be used to raise tempers. Unless you want to ban all ball games; given the numbers of serious injuries, (and documented deaths,) that have occurred in the past? The council should tear up this agreement between them and this flying club, then put the matter out to public consultation, so that a proper and full consensus can be achieved, instead of this pointless war of words. As someone, completely ignorant of this bylaw/agreement, who has flown an helicopter in the Corporation Park, without any complaint from either park workers nor members of the public, I think it time that this matter was resolved, without need of a lawyer, to everyone's satisfaction. There exists, certain times of the day, usually in or around either Dawn or Sunset, hours of still, calm air and the parks are virtually empty, except for the odd dog walker, when aircraft can be flown in comparative safety and peace, for the enjoyment of all.[/p][/quote]Many years ago when i was a kid i throughly enjoyed watching the planes fly at pleasington with the artifical cricket wicket carpet used as a runway whilst my dad played cricket in the next field! surely this issue is totally blown out of proportion and surely BwDBC cannot enforce that you can only fly a plane if you belong to the only club in existence?? surely....does that mean if i dont belong to the lie-bour club i dont need pay for the union t*wats the council pays for carrying out union duties?????!?? or for that matter pay for the entire executive council who get paid for borough duties but actually carry out thier party political agendas....surely surely not....Kate Hollern hang your a*rse in shame if you can manage it Fly on old fruit......fly on....and if they evict you fly the plane from a private piece of land if you come to mellor brook there are plenty of sympathisers ;) BlackburnEyes
  • Score: 5

8:02am Wed 14 May 14

BlackburnEyes says...

woolywords wrote:
If, as was written in this paper a few weeks ago is true, that BwD has ceded rights to fly anything, in any park of the borough, to this group, then Mr Parkinson is entirely right to challenge them in the courts. Irrespective of the issues in this case, the Council has no right to make a private agreement with any private organisation, even if Mr Parkinson was party to it at that time, without having given either the public, nor Council members, an opportunity to discuss this matter. And another thing, let's drop all this emotive rhetoric regarding the risk of death in this discussion, as it serves nobody any good, whatsoever. Unless anyone can show a SINGLE case of where someone was killed by a model aircraft whilst in a public park, then these words should not be used to raise tempers. Unless you want to ban all ball games; given the numbers of serious injuries, (and documented deaths,) that have occurred in the past? The council should tear up this agreement between them and this flying club, then put the matter out to public consultation, so that a proper and full consensus can be achieved, instead of this pointless war of words. As someone, completely ignorant of this bylaw/agreement, who has flown an helicopter in the Corporation Park, without any complaint from either park workers nor members of the public, I think it time that this matter was resolved, without need of a lawyer, to everyone's satisfaction. There exists, certain times of the day, usually in or around either Dawn or Sunset, hours of still, calm air and the parks are virtually empty, except for the odd dog walker, when aircraft can be flown in comparative safety and peace, for the enjoyment of all.
Many years ago when i was a kid i throughly enjoyed watching the planes fly at pleasington with the artifical cricket wicket carpet used as a runway whilst my dad played cricket in the next field! surely this issue is totally blown out of proportion and surely BwDBC cannot enforce that you can only fly a plane if you belong to the only club in existence?? surely....does that mean if i dont belong to the lie-bour club i dont need pay for the union t*wats the council pays for carrying out union duties?????!?? or for that matter pay for the entire executive council who get paid for borough duties but actually carry out thier party political agendas....surely surely not....Kate Hollern hang your a*rse in shame if you can manage it

Fly on old fruit......fly on....and if they evict you fly the plane from a private piece of land if you come to mellor brook there are plenty of sympathisers ;)
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: If, as was written in this paper a few weeks ago is true, that BwD has ceded rights to fly anything, in any park of the borough, to this group, then Mr Parkinson is entirely right to challenge them in the courts. Irrespective of the issues in this case, the Council has no right to make a private agreement with any private organisation, even if Mr Parkinson was party to it at that time, without having given either the public, nor Council members, an opportunity to discuss this matter. And another thing, let's drop all this emotive rhetoric regarding the risk of death in this discussion, as it serves nobody any good, whatsoever. Unless anyone can show a SINGLE case of where someone was killed by a model aircraft whilst in a public park, then these words should not be used to raise tempers. Unless you want to ban all ball games; given the numbers of serious injuries, (and documented deaths,) that have occurred in the past? The council should tear up this agreement between them and this flying club, then put the matter out to public consultation, so that a proper and full consensus can be achieved, instead of this pointless war of words. As someone, completely ignorant of this bylaw/agreement, who has flown an helicopter in the Corporation Park, without any complaint from either park workers nor members of the public, I think it time that this matter was resolved, without need of a lawyer, to everyone's satisfaction. There exists, certain times of the day, usually in or around either Dawn or Sunset, hours of still, calm air and the parks are virtually empty, except for the odd dog walker, when aircraft can be flown in comparative safety and peace, for the enjoyment of all.[/p][/quote]Many years ago when i was a kid i throughly enjoyed watching the planes fly at pleasington with the artifical cricket wicket carpet used as a runway whilst my dad played cricket in the next field! surely this issue is totally blown out of proportion and surely BwDBC cannot enforce that you can only fly a plane if you belong to the only club in existence?? surely....does that mean if i dont belong to the lie-bour club i dont need pay for the union t*wats the council pays for carrying out union duties?????!?? or for that matter pay for the entire executive council who get paid for borough duties but actually carry out thier party political agendas....surely surely not....Kate Hollern hang your a*rse in shame if you can manage it Fly on old fruit......fly on....and if they evict you fly the plane from a private piece of land if you come to mellor brook there are plenty of sympathisers ;) BlackburnEyes
  • Score: 5

8:07am Wed 14 May 14

BlackburnEyes says...

rogersrevenge wrote:
this guy has nothing better to do, he is always sat in the postal order creating and maintaining an arguement that causes friction with other customers and thinks he knows it all, and the council are nothing but trouble,,, as he tends to comment, always bad mouthing, has been banned from the club?? makes you wonder why in the 1st place he got banned originally?? clearly if an accident happens with these planes.. who do think that gets blamed?? sorry but this guy is a weirdo in my eyes!!
he has nothing better to do than fight for his right to fly a piece of harmless plywood....against a council that has nothing better to do than to fight it under pressure...if he is bad mouthing then let him im sure you are no Ghandi yourself! and if he is a wierdo in your eyes then go and get your eyes tested!
[quote][p][bold]rogersrevenge[/bold] wrote: this guy has nothing better to do, he is always sat in the postal order creating and maintaining an arguement that causes friction with other customers and thinks he knows it all, and the council are nothing but trouble,,, as he tends to comment, always bad mouthing, has been banned from the club?? makes you wonder why in the 1st place he got banned originally?? clearly if an accident happens with these planes.. who do think that gets blamed?? sorry but this guy is a weirdo in my eyes!![/p][/quote]he has nothing better to do than fight for his right to fly a piece of harmless plywood....against a council that has nothing better to do than to fight it under pressure...if he is bad mouthing then let him im sure you are no Ghandi yourself! and if he is a wierdo in your eyes then go and get your eyes tested! BlackburnEyes
  • Score: 1

10:32am Wed 14 May 14

woolywords says...

rogersrevenge wrote:
this guy has nothing better to do, he is always sat in the postal order creating and maintaining an arguement that causes friction with other customers and thinks he knows it all, and the council are nothing but trouble,,, as he tends to comment, always bad mouthing, has been banned from the club?? makes you wonder why in the 1st place he got banned originally?? clearly if an accident happens with these planes.. who do think that gets blamed?? sorry but this guy is a weirdo in my eyes!!
'this guy has nothing better to do'?
As I understand it, he is retired, has an interest that he is passionate about and feels wronged, by both the club and the Council.
As for your comment about why he is no longer a member, I recall reading that he stated that he had moved away from the area for some time and that his membership had lapsed. Upon his return, he had been refused renewal by the club.
Now if there was some animus remaining from his previous membership, this was the idea time to fix it and not let this situation develop as it has. You simply get a written undertaking to abide by the rules and agree to use proper processes within the club, to redress anything. This effectively binds a member to silence and helps maintain control of the membership. If Mr Parkinson breaches these rules, he's out, on his backside, tout de suite and loses his rights to fly paper planes, in any park, within the Borough. If that isn't an incentive for any malcontent individual, to toe the line, then I don't know what is. The rules is, the rules: you broke them, you're out!
However, if as it seems in this case, Mr Parkinson has been effectively 'black balled' by the club, for whatever reason, it is morally wrong for the Council to abuse it's powers to enforce the flying restrictions, if he chooses to do it, elsewhere.
To give any club, the sole rights to carry out any activity, in an entire area, is so wrong on many levels and this shrieks at me, injustice, so needs addressing, in a proper manner by the elected officials. Do the terms, closed shop, monopoly and restrictive practise mean nothing to our Council?
(Incidently, how some people in the Labour Party council can tolerate such an injustice, is a complete betrayal of the fundamental principles upon which they were formed. Remember Keir Hardie, anyone?)
[quote][p][bold]rogersrevenge[/bold] wrote: this guy has nothing better to do, he is always sat in the postal order creating and maintaining an arguement that causes friction with other customers and thinks he knows it all, and the council are nothing but trouble,,, as he tends to comment, always bad mouthing, has been banned from the club?? makes you wonder why in the 1st place he got banned originally?? clearly if an accident happens with these planes.. who do think that gets blamed?? sorry but this guy is a weirdo in my eyes!![/p][/quote]'this guy has nothing better to do'? As I understand it, he is retired, has an interest that he is passionate about and feels wronged, by both the club and the Council. As for your comment about why he is no longer a member, I recall reading that he stated that he had moved away from the area for some time and that his membership had lapsed. Upon his return, he had been refused renewal by the club. Now if there was some animus remaining from his previous membership, this was the idea time to fix it and not let this situation develop as it has. You simply get a written undertaking to abide by the rules and agree to use proper processes within the club, to redress anything. This effectively binds a member to silence and helps maintain control of the membership. If Mr Parkinson breaches these rules, he's out, on his backside, tout de suite and loses his rights to fly paper planes, in any park, within the Borough. If that isn't an incentive for any malcontent individual, to toe the line, then I don't know what is. The rules is, the rules: you broke them, you're out! However, if as it seems in this case, Mr Parkinson has been effectively 'black balled' by the club, for whatever reason, it is morally wrong for the Council to abuse it's powers to enforce the flying restrictions, if he chooses to do it, elsewhere. To give any club, the sole rights to carry out any activity, in an entire area, is so wrong on many levels and this shrieks at me, injustice, so needs addressing, in a proper manner by the elected officials. Do the terms, closed shop, monopoly and restrictive practise mean nothing to our Council? (Incidently, how some people in the Labour Party council can tolerate such an injustice, is a complete betrayal of the fundamental principles upon which they were formed. Remember Keir Hardie, anyone?) woolywords
  • Score: 1

10:53am Wed 14 May 14

quaily68 says...

Mark Quail He's a star ......go Michael go!! The Council should have no right to say who and who cant use public land it belongs to the British public not fat **** council reps... Seems the flying club have a under the table agreement with the council to manipulate the land that belongs to the people... They don't own pleasington playing Fields so how can it be said only members of a club have the right to use it. Also picking only members they want in the right to fly there... Michael has worked all he's life paid his taxes and should have the right to use the piece of public land set out for this activity in he's retirement years with he's grandchildren... Greedy rich manipulating the system to suit them selfs if you ask me.. Go for it Michael !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mark Quail He's a star ......go Michael go!! The Council should have no right to say who and who cant use public land it belongs to the British public not fat **** council reps... Seems the flying club have a under the table agreement with the council to manipulate the land that belongs to the people... They don't own pleasington playing Fields so how can it be said only members of a club have the right to use it. Also picking only members they want in the right to fly there... Michael has worked all he's life paid his taxes and should have the right to use the piece of public land set out for this activity in he's retirement years with he's grandchildren... Greedy rich manipulating the system to suit them selfs if you ask me.. Go for it Michael !!!!!!!!!!!!! quaily68
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