Horses killed in Astley Bridge stable arson attack

The stables, off Hathaway Drive, Astley Bridge, where two horses were killed in an arson attack.

The stables, off Hathaway Drive, Astley Bridge, where two horses were killed in an arson attack.

The stables, off Hathaway Drive, Astley Bridge, where two horses were killed in an arson attack.

The stables, off Hathaway Drive, Astley Bridge, where two horses were killed in an arson attack.

The stables, off Hathaway Drive, Astley Bridge, where two horses were killed in an arson attack.

The stables, off Hathaway Drive, Astley Bridge, where two horses were killed in an arson attack.

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TWO horses have been killed in a fire that engulfed a stable block in Astley Bridge this morning.

The animals were trapped inside the wooden building off Hathaway Drive, Astley Bridge, when the fire, which is believed to have been started deliberately, took hold at 4.45am.

Petrol and firelighters were found at the scene and there are thought to have been several places where the fire started.

Firefighters put out the flames but were unable to save the horse and pony.

The alarm was raised by neighbours who spotted the flames.

The stable owner, David Davies, was due to sell the stables, his nearby home and riverbank land at auction later this week.

He told the Bolton News that he was horrified when he went to the scene at 6am.

"It was just horrendous. I can't envisage how anyone could do anything like that," he said.

He built the stable block several years ago to house his own horses, but for the last eight months he has rented it out to a local woman and her daughter to use for their own horse and pony.

They are said to be devestated by the incident.

"They loved them to bits," said Mr Davies.

Det Con Dave Harris, from Bolton CID, said: "This was a deliberate fire that caused the death of two horses.


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"The owner is understandably very distressed and we want to find out who did this as soon as possible

"We have launched a joint investigation with the fire service.

"I would urge anyone who may have seen someone acting in a suspicious manner around the stables to contact police."

This Is Lancashire: Land owner David Davies Land owner David Davies

The horses – Penny and General – were owned by Sam Brierley and John Knowles.

Mr Knowles told reporters at the scene: “Penny was a 27-year-old Shetland. She was fit and healthy. My daughter looked after her. A 10-year-old’s baby has been taken away from her.”

Mr Knowles wrote on Facebook that the culprits had “destroyed their lives”.

He added: “We are totally distraught with the death of General and Penny and if anyone has any information, please get in touch.”

Ms Brierley added: “I got a phone call to say the stables were on fire and I just needed to get here. Apparently I collapsed.

“I just don’t know what to say. They’ve gone. I’m not going to get them back. They were everything. I spend a big part of my life here. I feel like my heart has been ripped out. There will be an investigation and we just have to wait. Now I have to organise for my hoses to be removed.”

Anyone with information can phone police on 0161 8565772 or Crimestoppers, anonymously, on 0800 555111.

Police confirmed the incident is being treated as arson and fire investigators are now at the scene.

No arrests have been made.

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8:46am Tue 22 Apr 14

A Hybrid Lord says...

Truly disgusting.

Hope those responsible are caught, imprisoned and beaten up daily whilst there.
Truly disgusting. Hope those responsible are caught, imprisoned and beaten up daily whilst there. A Hybrid Lord
  • Score: 96

8:57am Tue 22 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

Check out the traveller community.
Check out the traveller community. Jim271
  • Score: -24

9:05am Tue 22 Apr 14

Chrome1 says...

Jim271 wrote:
Check out the traveller community.
Fascist
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Check out the traveller community.[/p][/quote]Fascist Chrome1
  • Score: -16

9:30am Tue 22 Apr 14

Phil from Smithills says...

Barbaric, these criminals, hopefully will be caught and firmly dealt with.
Barbaric, these criminals, hopefully will be caught and firmly dealt with. Phil from Smithills
  • Score: 58

9:30am Tue 22 Apr 14

oftbewildered2 says...

a repulsive crime - to what end?
a repulsive crime - to what end? oftbewildered2
  • Score: 44

9:44am Tue 22 Apr 14

sazz69 says...

these are a friends horses and they were the loveliest. If i find out who they are who did this i will personally beat them to the ground and set them on fire. they need to bring back the death penalty for people like this. words cannot describe how devastated we all are.
these are a friends horses and they were the loveliest. If i find out who they are who did this i will personally beat them to the ground and set them on fire. they need to bring back the death penalty for people like this. words cannot describe how devastated we all are. sazz69
  • Score: 96

11:00am Tue 22 Apr 14

John Edwards says...

I would hope that these sum bags are caught. But with our fantastic British justice what would happen to them? The mind boggles, come one come all and do what you want. They should be strung up and that's to good for them.
I would hope that these sum bags are caught. But with our fantastic British justice what would happen to them? The mind boggles, come one come all and do what you want. They should be strung up and that's to good for them. John Edwards
  • Score: 40

11:13am Tue 22 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

Who didnt like the land being sold ?. They are a waste of air & need 10yrs served not given.
Who didnt like the land being sold ?. They are a waste of air & need 10yrs served not given. thomas222
  • Score: 2

11:13am Tue 22 Apr 14

I, Ludicrous says...

Jim271 wrote:
Check out the traveller community.
I'd have thought that 'had' the travelling community had any involvement with this whatsoever, then they'd have been more likely to have taken the horses rather than just murder them barbarically and needlessly. I really hope that the authorities find whoever carried this out and I hope that they're made to suffer for what they've done.
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Check out the traveller community.[/p][/quote]I'd have thought that 'had' the travelling community had any involvement with this whatsoever, then they'd have been more likely to have taken the horses rather than just murder them barbarically and needlessly. I really hope that the authorities find whoever carried this out and I hope that they're made to suffer for what they've done. I, Ludicrous
  • Score: 50

11:21am Tue 22 Apr 14

Hollieanne says...

sazz69 wrote:
these are a friends horses and they were the loveliest. If i find out who they are who did this i will personally beat them to the ground and set them on fire. they need to bring back the death penalty for people like this. words cannot describe how devastated we all are.
I fully agree. This is absolutely despicable. Let's make the punishment fit the crime. Those poor animals.
[quote][p][bold]sazz69[/bold] wrote: these are a friends horses and they were the loveliest. If i find out who they are who did this i will personally beat them to the ground and set them on fire. they need to bring back the death penalty for people like this. words cannot describe how devastated we all are.[/p][/quote]I fully agree. This is absolutely despicable. Let's make the punishment fit the crime. Those poor animals. Hollieanne
  • Score: 44

11:25am Tue 22 Apr 14

Comment777 says...

Planned and organised for a reason. A grudge against the owner maybe.

If the travelling community had been involved they would , as has been pointed out here already, have taken the horses.

Are these stables on what used to be Jeff Stones' small holding?



I
Planned and organised for a reason. A grudge against the owner maybe. If the travelling community had been involved they would , as has been pointed out here already, have taken the horses. Are these stables on what used to be Jeff Stones' small holding? I Comment777
  • Score: -4

11:31am Tue 22 Apr 14

atlas123 says...

sazz69 wrote:
these are a friends horses and they were the loveliest. If i find out who they are who did this i will personally beat them to the ground and set them on fire. they need to bring back the death penalty for people like this. words cannot describe how devastated we all are.
Nothing excessive the british peoples anger like cruelty to animals. Put up pictures of a scabby thin dog and there will be universal cries for them to be hung.

If we have a murder then there is a monthlong debate about the rights and wrongs of the death penalty.

Of course this is horrific and a dreadful way for animals to die and there should be stiff punishment, but it does amuse me how these things are discussed in the public arena.

I doubt that the arsonists will be caught, it sounds like an isolated spot, in the middle of the night where fire has consumed any sort of forensic evidence that may have been present.

The conspiricy part of my brain is suggesting that someone who either has a beef with the current seller and wants to devalue/disrupt his sale is responsible. Or a neighbour who is unhappy about the smell/noise or commotion of the stables ever being put there and is trying to put horsey nuts off buying the place or using the stables.
[quote][p][bold]sazz69[/bold] wrote: these are a friends horses and they were the loveliest. If i find out who they are who did this i will personally beat them to the ground and set them on fire. they need to bring back the death penalty for people like this. words cannot describe how devastated we all are.[/p][/quote]Nothing excessive the british peoples anger like cruelty to animals. Put up pictures of a scabby thin dog and there will be universal cries for them to be hung. If we have a murder then there is a monthlong debate about the rights and wrongs of the death penalty. Of course this is horrific and a dreadful way for animals to die and there should be stiff punishment, but it does amuse me how these things are discussed in the public arena. I doubt that the arsonists will be caught, it sounds like an isolated spot, in the middle of the night where fire has consumed any sort of forensic evidence that may have been present. The conspiricy part of my brain is suggesting that someone who either has a beef with the current seller and wants to devalue/disrupt his sale is responsible. Or a neighbour who is unhappy about the smell/noise or commotion of the stables ever being put there and is trying to put horsey nuts off buying the place or using the stables. atlas123
  • Score: -8

11:57am Tue 22 Apr 14

melloj says...

atlas123 wrote:
sazz69 wrote:
these are a friends horses and they were the loveliest. If i find out who they are who did this i will personally beat them to the ground and set them on fire. they need to bring back the death penalty for people like this. words cannot describe how devastated we all are.
Nothing excessive the british peoples anger like cruelty to animals. Put up pictures of a scabby thin dog and there will be universal cries for them to be hung.

If we have a murder then there is a monthlong debate about the rights and wrongs of the death penalty.

Of course this is horrific and a dreadful way for animals to die and there should be stiff punishment, but it does amuse me how these things are discussed in the public arena.

I doubt that the arsonists will be caught, it sounds like an isolated spot, in the middle of the night where fire has consumed any sort of forensic evidence that may have been present.

The conspiricy part of my brain is suggesting that someone who either has a beef with the current seller and wants to devalue/disrupt his sale is responsible. Or a neighbour who is unhappy about the smell/noise or commotion of the stables ever being put there and is trying to put horsey nuts off buying the place or using the stables.
Good point! The fact he was selling next week suggests sabotage.

if the Police really wanted to catch these people they could do. You'd be suprised what evidence they could turn over, if it were people who died they'd catch them. it comes down to priority and resources.
[quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sazz69[/bold] wrote: these are a friends horses and they were the loveliest. If i find out who they are who did this i will personally beat them to the ground and set them on fire. they need to bring back the death penalty for people like this. words cannot describe how devastated we all are.[/p][/quote]Nothing excessive the british peoples anger like cruelty to animals. Put up pictures of a scabby thin dog and there will be universal cries for them to be hung. If we have a murder then there is a monthlong debate about the rights and wrongs of the death penalty. Of course this is horrific and a dreadful way for animals to die and there should be stiff punishment, but it does amuse me how these things are discussed in the public arena. I doubt that the arsonists will be caught, it sounds like an isolated spot, in the middle of the night where fire has consumed any sort of forensic evidence that may have been present. The conspiricy part of my brain is suggesting that someone who either has a beef with the current seller and wants to devalue/disrupt his sale is responsible. Or a neighbour who is unhappy about the smell/noise or commotion of the stables ever being put there and is trying to put horsey nuts off buying the place or using the stables.[/p][/quote]Good point! The fact he was selling next week suggests sabotage. if the Police really wanted to catch these people they could do. You'd be suprised what evidence they could turn over, if it were people who died they'd catch them. it comes down to priority and resources. melloj
  • Score: 5

12:22pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

I, Ludicrous wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
Check out the traveller community.
I'd have thought that 'had' the travelling community had any involvement with this whatsoever, then they'd have been more likely to have taken the horses rather than just murder them barbarically and needlessly. I really hope that the authorities find whoever carried this out and I hope that they're made to suffer for what they've done.
There was hundreds of them around Halliwell at the weekend. Wedding at Harvey Street.

A good scam is to damage stables and then make offers for the animals knowing the owners will be desperate.

Horses and chipped and catalogued these days so stealing is not much of an option.
[quote][p][bold]I, Ludicrous[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Check out the traveller community.[/p][/quote]I'd have thought that 'had' the travelling community had any involvement with this whatsoever, then they'd have been more likely to have taken the horses rather than just murder them barbarically and needlessly. I really hope that the authorities find whoever carried this out and I hope that they're made to suffer for what they've done.[/p][/quote]There was hundreds of them around Halliwell at the weekend. Wedding at Harvey Street. A good scam is to damage stables and then make offers for the animals knowing the owners will be desperate. Horses and chipped and catalogued these days so stealing is not much of an option. Jim271
  • Score: -14

1:06pm Tue 22 Apr 14

sazz69 says...

purposely killing a living human or animal should be dealt with by them themselves being killed. why should horses have to suffer for something they are not involved in. they are defenseless and i know for a fact it was to do with the auctioning of the land. humans are sick. nothing to do with travelers to anyone who thinks so. just sick bastards who want to save money and gain material possessions. it doesn't matter how public this goes, the moral is the same. no one or nothing deserves to be treated this way. ever. And to try and prove a point this way which I think is part of why they did it for reasons i cannot disclose, they are sick bitter and twisted and they had no actual reason to do such an awful thing.
purposely killing a living human or animal should be dealt with by them themselves being killed. why should horses have to suffer for something they are not involved in. they are defenseless and i know for a fact it was to do with the auctioning of the land. humans are sick. nothing to do with travelers to anyone who thinks so. just sick bastards who want to save money and gain material possessions. it doesn't matter how public this goes, the moral is the same. no one or nothing deserves to be treated this way. ever. And to try and prove a point this way which I think is part of why they did it for reasons i cannot disclose, they are sick bitter and twisted and they had no actual reason to do such an awful thing. sazz69
  • Score: 10

1:33pm Tue 22 Apr 14

sazz69 says...

melloj wrote:
atlas123 wrote:
sazz69 wrote:
these are a friends horses and they were the loveliest. If i find out who they are who did this i will personally beat them to the ground and set them on fire. they need to bring back the death penalty for people like this. words cannot describe how devastated we all are.
Nothing excessive the british peoples anger like cruelty to animals. Put up pictures of a scabby thin dog and there will be universal cries for them to be hung.

If we have a murder then there is a monthlong debate about the rights and wrongs of the death penalty.

Of course this is horrific and a dreadful way for animals to die and there should be stiff punishment, but it does amuse me how these things are discussed in the public arena.

I doubt that the arsonists will be caught, it sounds like an isolated spot, in the middle of the night where fire has consumed any sort of forensic evidence that may have been present.

The conspiricy part of my brain is suggesting that someone who either has a beef with the current seller and wants to devalue/disrupt his sale is responsible. Or a neighbour who is unhappy about the smell/noise or commotion of the stables ever being put there and is trying to put horsey nuts off buying the place or using the stables.
Good point! The fact he was selling next week suggests sabotage.

if the Police really wanted to catch these people they could do. You'd be suprised what evidence they could turn over, if it were people who died they'd catch them. it comes down to priority and resources.
for your information the stables have been there for years and years and the people whom live around them also have horses so are NOT bothered by them being or ever being put there in the slightest. There is no one around to complain.
[quote][p][bold]melloj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sazz69[/bold] wrote: these are a friends horses and they were the loveliest. If i find out who they are who did this i will personally beat them to the ground and set them on fire. they need to bring back the death penalty for people like this. words cannot describe how devastated we all are.[/p][/quote]Nothing excessive the british peoples anger like cruelty to animals. Put up pictures of a scabby thin dog and there will be universal cries for them to be hung. If we have a murder then there is a monthlong debate about the rights and wrongs of the death penalty. Of course this is horrific and a dreadful way for animals to die and there should be stiff punishment, but it does amuse me how these things are discussed in the public arena. I doubt that the arsonists will be caught, it sounds like an isolated spot, in the middle of the night where fire has consumed any sort of forensic evidence that may have been present. The conspiricy part of my brain is suggesting that someone who either has a beef with the current seller and wants to devalue/disrupt his sale is responsible. Or a neighbour who is unhappy about the smell/noise or commotion of the stables ever being put there and is trying to put horsey nuts off buying the place or using the stables.[/p][/quote]Good point! The fact he was selling next week suggests sabotage. if the Police really wanted to catch these people they could do. You'd be suprised what evidence they could turn over, if it were people who died they'd catch them. it comes down to priority and resources.[/p][/quote]for your information the stables have been there for years and years and the people whom live around them also have horses so are NOT bothered by them being or ever being put there in the slightest. There is no one around to complain. sazz69
  • Score: 5

1:47pm Tue 22 Apr 14

lancashiregirl says...

HOPE THEY ROT THE SCUM BAGS
HOPE THEY ROT THE SCUM BAGS lancashiregirl
  • Score: 27

1:50pm Tue 22 Apr 14

ke1979 says...

sazz69 wrote:
purposely killing a living human or animal should be dealt with by them themselves being killed. why should horses have to suffer for something they are not involved in. they are defenseless and i know for a fact it was to do with the auctioning of the land. humans are sick. nothing to do with travelers to anyone who thinks so. just sick bastards who want to save money and gain material possessions. it doesn't matter how public this goes, the moral is the same. no one or nothing deserves to be treated this way. ever. And to try and prove a point this way which I think is part of why they did it for reasons i cannot disclose, they are sick bitter and twisted and they had no actual reason to do such an awful thing.
'No one or nothing deserves to be treated this way.ever'

Except for when you find whoever did this and beat them and set them on fire ?
[quote][p][bold]sazz69[/bold] wrote: purposely killing a living human or animal should be dealt with by them themselves being killed. why should horses have to suffer for something they are not involved in. they are defenseless and i know for a fact it was to do with the auctioning of the land. humans are sick. nothing to do with travelers to anyone who thinks so. just sick bastards who want to save money and gain material possessions. it doesn't matter how public this goes, the moral is the same. no one or nothing deserves to be treated this way. ever. And to try and prove a point this way which I think is part of why they did it for reasons i cannot disclose, they are sick bitter and twisted and they had no actual reason to do such an awful thing.[/p][/quote]'No one or nothing deserves to be treated this way.ever' Except for when you find whoever did this and beat them and set them on fire ? ke1979
  • Score: 20

1:54pm Tue 22 Apr 14

sazz69 says...

yes. karma. tat for tat. death for death. no one deserves it who hasn't done anything like this. but he who has deserves it ALWAYS. i apologise for not fully explaining.
yes. karma. tat for tat. death for death. no one deserves it who hasn't done anything like this. but he who has deserves it ALWAYS. i apologise for not fully explaining. sazz69
  • Score: 4

1:55pm Tue 22 Apr 14

sazz69 says...

sazz69 wrote:
yes. karma. tat for tat. death for death. no one deserves it who hasn't done anything like this. but he who has deserves it ALWAYS. i apologise for not fully explaining.
did i mention TWO deaths.
[quote][p][bold]sazz69[/bold] wrote: yes. karma. tat for tat. death for death. no one deserves it who hasn't done anything like this. but he who has deserves it ALWAYS. i apologise for not fully explaining.[/p][/quote]did i mention TWO deaths. sazz69
  • Score: 9

2:12pm Tue 22 Apr 14

sazz69 says...

In the end, these horses did not deserve this.
In the end, these horses did not deserve this. sazz69
  • Score: 16

2:46pm Tue 22 Apr 14

atlas123 says...

sazz69 wrote:
purposely killing a living human or animal should be dealt with by them themselves being killed. why should horses have to suffer for something they are not involved in. they are defenseless and i know for a fact it was to do with the auctioning of the land. humans are sick. nothing to do with travelers to anyone who thinks so. just sick bastards who want to save money and gain material possessions. it doesn't matter how public this goes, the moral is the same. no one or nothing deserves to be treated this way. ever. And to try and prove a point this way which I think is part of why they did it for reasons i cannot disclose, they are sick bitter and twisted and they had no actual reason to do such an awful thing.
What about slaughtermen? What about vets who put animals down?
[quote][p][bold]sazz69[/bold] wrote: purposely killing a living human or animal should be dealt with by them themselves being killed. why should horses have to suffer for something they are not involved in. they are defenseless and i know for a fact it was to do with the auctioning of the land. humans are sick. nothing to do with travelers to anyone who thinks so. just sick bastards who want to save money and gain material possessions. it doesn't matter how public this goes, the moral is the same. no one or nothing deserves to be treated this way. ever. And to try and prove a point this way which I think is part of why they did it for reasons i cannot disclose, they are sick bitter and twisted and they had no actual reason to do such an awful thing.[/p][/quote]What about slaughtermen? What about vets who put animals down? atlas123
  • Score: -16

2:50pm Tue 22 Apr 14

atlas123 says...

melloj wrote:
atlas123 wrote:
sazz69 wrote:
these are a friends horses and they were the loveliest. If i find out who they are who did this i will personally beat them to the ground and set them on fire. they need to bring back the death penalty for people like this. words cannot describe how devastated we all are.
Nothing excessive the british peoples anger like cruelty to animals. Put up pictures of a scabby thin dog and there will be universal cries for them to be hung.

If we have a murder then there is a monthlong debate about the rights and wrongs of the death penalty.

Of course this is horrific and a dreadful way for animals to die and there should be stiff punishment, but it does amuse me how these things are discussed in the public arena.

I doubt that the arsonists will be caught, it sounds like an isolated spot, in the middle of the night where fire has consumed any sort of forensic evidence that may have been present.

The conspiricy part of my brain is suggesting that someone who either has a beef with the current seller and wants to devalue/disrupt his sale is responsible. Or a neighbour who is unhappy about the smell/noise or commotion of the stables ever being put there and is trying to put horsey nuts off buying the place or using the stables.
Good point! The fact he was selling next week suggests sabotage.

if the Police really wanted to catch these people they could do. You'd be suprised what evidence they could turn over, if it were people who died they'd catch them. it comes down to priority and resources.
If there is no evidence then how can they?

By and large i am happy that the police put more effort into catching murderers than arsonists who kill animals. Seems sort of the right order to do things with limited resources and my tax money.
[quote][p][bold]melloj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sazz69[/bold] wrote: these are a friends horses and they were the loveliest. If i find out who they are who did this i will personally beat them to the ground and set them on fire. they need to bring back the death penalty for people like this. words cannot describe how devastated we all are.[/p][/quote]Nothing excessive the british peoples anger like cruelty to animals. Put up pictures of a scabby thin dog and there will be universal cries for them to be hung. If we have a murder then there is a monthlong debate about the rights and wrongs of the death penalty. Of course this is horrific and a dreadful way for animals to die and there should be stiff punishment, but it does amuse me how these things are discussed in the public arena. I doubt that the arsonists will be caught, it sounds like an isolated spot, in the middle of the night where fire has consumed any sort of forensic evidence that may have been present. The conspiricy part of my brain is suggesting that someone who either has a beef with the current seller and wants to devalue/disrupt his sale is responsible. Or a neighbour who is unhappy about the smell/noise or commotion of the stables ever being put there and is trying to put horsey nuts off buying the place or using the stables.[/p][/quote]Good point! The fact he was selling next week suggests sabotage. if the Police really wanted to catch these people they could do. You'd be suprised what evidence they could turn over, if it were people who died they'd catch them. it comes down to priority and resources.[/p][/quote]If there is no evidence then how can they? By and large i am happy that the police put more effort into catching murderers than arsonists who kill animals. Seems sort of the right order to do things with limited resources and my tax money. atlas123
  • Score: -10

3:28pm Tue 22 Apr 14

eatmytruth says...

atlas123 wrote:
sazz69 wrote:
these are a friends horses and they were the loveliest. If i find out who they are who did this i will personally beat them to the ground and set them on fire. they need to bring back the death penalty for people like this. words cannot describe how devastated we all are.
Nothing excessive the british peoples anger like cruelty to animals. Put up pictures of a scabby thin dog and there will be universal cries for them to be hung.

If we have a murder then there is a monthlong debate about the rights and wrongs of the death penalty.

Of course this is horrific and a dreadful way for animals to die and there should be stiff punishment, but it does amuse me how these things are discussed in the public arena.

I doubt that the arsonists will be caught, it sounds like an isolated spot, in the middle of the night where fire has consumed any sort of forensic evidence that may have been present.

The conspiricy part of my brain is suggesting that someone who either has a beef with the current seller and wants to devalue/disrupt his sale is responsible. Or a neighbour who is unhappy about the smell/noise or commotion of the stables ever being put there and is trying to put horsey nuts off buying the place or using the stables.
Or maybe a potential buyer who wants to devalue themail property before placing a bid. Who knows...
[quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sazz69[/bold] wrote: these are a friends horses and they were the loveliest. If i find out who they are who did this i will personally beat them to the ground and set them on fire. they need to bring back the death penalty for people like this. words cannot describe how devastated we all are.[/p][/quote]Nothing excessive the british peoples anger like cruelty to animals. Put up pictures of a scabby thin dog and there will be universal cries for them to be hung. If we have a murder then there is a monthlong debate about the rights and wrongs of the death penalty. Of course this is horrific and a dreadful way for animals to die and there should be stiff punishment, but it does amuse me how these things are discussed in the public arena. I doubt that the arsonists will be caught, it sounds like an isolated spot, in the middle of the night where fire has consumed any sort of forensic evidence that may have been present. The conspiricy part of my brain is suggesting that someone who either has a beef with the current seller and wants to devalue/disrupt his sale is responsible. Or a neighbour who is unhappy about the smell/noise or commotion of the stables ever being put there and is trying to put horsey nuts off buying the place or using the stables.[/p][/quote]Or maybe a potential buyer who wants to devalue themail property before placing a bid. Who knows... eatmytruth
  • Score: -3

3:59pm Tue 22 Apr 14

waterbottle says...

The local youth need a talking to they might know something, Sunday night a lot of them were shouting and screaming on Sharples school till the early hours all drinking and god knows what else they were up to.
The local youth need a talking to they might know something, Sunday night a lot of them were shouting and screaming on Sharples school till the early hours all drinking and god knows what else they were up to. waterbottle
  • Score: -1

4:08pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Gill bolton says...

Pure evil. I hope they catch whoever did this and jail them for a long time. If hanging was legal they deserve to be strung up.
Pure evil. I hope they catch whoever did this and jail them for a long time. If hanging was legal they deserve to be strung up. Gill bolton
  • Score: 17

4:36pm Tue 22 Apr 14

sazz69 says...

and who ever disliked my comment about 'death for death' you're just as bad as them.
and who ever disliked my comment about 'death for death' you're just as bad as them. sazz69
  • Score: -3

4:38pm Tue 22 Apr 14

boltonlife14 says...

atlas123 wrote:
sazz69 wrote: these are a friends horses and they were the loveliest. If i find out who they are who did this i will personally beat them to the ground and set them on fire. they need to bring back the death penalty for people like this. words cannot describe how devastated we all are.
Nothing excessive the british peoples anger like cruelty to animals. Put up pictures of a scabby thin dog and there will be universal cries for them to be hung. If we have a murder then there is a monthlong debate about the rights and wrongs of the death penalty. Of course this is horrific and a dreadful way for animals to die and there should be stiff punishment, but it does amuse me how these things are discussed in the public arena. I doubt that the arsonists will be caught, it sounds like an isolated spot, in the middle of the night where fire has consumed any sort of forensic evidence that may have been present. The conspiricy part of my brain is suggesting that someone who either has a beef with the current seller and wants to devalue/disrupt his sale is responsible. Or a neighbour who is unhappy about the smell/noise or commotion of the stables ever being put there and is trying to put horsey nuts off buying the place or using the stables.
i walk down here every weekend with my dog the stables are far from the house never any noise and it doesnt smell! The horses were lovely, they would often be in the field at the side as i walked passed and i would stroke them, they were not aggressive. sick people who ever have done this and i hope they get caught quick!
[quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sazz69[/bold] wrote: these are a friends horses and they were the loveliest. If i find out who they are who did this i will personally beat them to the ground and set them on fire. they need to bring back the death penalty for people like this. words cannot describe how devastated we all are.[/p][/quote]Nothing excessive the british peoples anger like cruelty to animals. Put up pictures of a scabby thin dog and there will be universal cries for them to be hung. If we have a murder then there is a monthlong debate about the rights and wrongs of the death penalty. Of course this is horrific and a dreadful way for animals to die and there should be stiff punishment, but it does amuse me how these things are discussed in the public arena. I doubt that the arsonists will be caught, it sounds like an isolated spot, in the middle of the night where fire has consumed any sort of forensic evidence that may have been present. The conspiricy part of my brain is suggesting that someone who either has a beef with the current seller and wants to devalue/disrupt his sale is responsible. Or a neighbour who is unhappy about the smell/noise or commotion of the stables ever being put there and is trying to put horsey nuts off buying the place or using the stables.[/p][/quote]i walk down here every weekend with my dog the stables are far from the house never any noise and it doesnt smell! The horses were lovely, they would often be in the field at the side as i walked passed and i would stroke them, they were not aggressive. sick people who ever have done this and i hope they get caught quick! boltonlife14
  • Score: 19

4:44pm Tue 22 Apr 14

boltonlife14 says...

atlas123 wrote:
sazz69 wrote: purposely killing a living human or animal should be dealt with by them themselves being killed. why should horses have to suffer for something they are not involved in. they are defenseless and i know for a fact it was to do with the auctioning of the land. humans are sick. nothing to do with travelers to anyone who thinks so. just sick bastards who want to save money and gain material possessions. it doesn't matter how public this goes, the moral is the same. no one or nothing deserves to be treated this way. ever. And to try and prove a point this way which I think is part of why they did it for reasons i cannot disclose, they are sick bitter and twisted and they had no actual reason to do such an awful thing.
What about slaughtermen? What about vets who put animals down?
i think theres a bit on a difference from being burnt alive to a sick animal being put down!!
[quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sazz69[/bold] wrote: purposely killing a living human or animal should be dealt with by them themselves being killed. why should horses have to suffer for something they are not involved in. they are defenseless and i know for a fact it was to do with the auctioning of the land. humans are sick. nothing to do with travelers to anyone who thinks so. just sick bastards who want to save money and gain material possessions. it doesn't matter how public this goes, the moral is the same. no one or nothing deserves to be treated this way. ever. And to try and prove a point this way which I think is part of why they did it for reasons i cannot disclose, they are sick bitter and twisted and they had no actual reason to do such an awful thing.[/p][/quote]What about slaughtermen? What about vets who put animals down?[/p][/quote]i think theres a bit on a difference from being burnt alive to a sick animal being put down!! boltonlife14
  • Score: 27

5:13pm Tue 22 Apr 14

atlas123 says...

boltonlife14 wrote:
atlas123 wrote:
sazz69 wrote: purposely killing a living human or animal should be dealt with by them themselves being killed. why should horses have to suffer for something they are not involved in. they are defenseless and i know for a fact it was to do with the auctioning of the land. humans are sick. nothing to do with travelers to anyone who thinks so. just sick bastards who want to save money and gain material possessions. it doesn't matter how public this goes, the moral is the same. no one or nothing deserves to be treated this way. ever. And to try and prove a point this way which I think is part of why they did it for reasons i cannot disclose, they are sick bitter and twisted and they had no actual reason to do such an awful thing.
What about slaughtermen? What about vets who put animals down?
i think theres a bit on a difference from being burnt alive to a sick animal being put down!!
I appreciate that, but it wasn't what was said. What in one man's view is a sickanimal may be another man's sickly beast in need of a cuddle!
[quote][p][bold]boltonlife14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sazz69[/bold] wrote: purposely killing a living human or animal should be dealt with by them themselves being killed. why should horses have to suffer for something they are not involved in. they are defenseless and i know for a fact it was to do with the auctioning of the land. humans are sick. nothing to do with travelers to anyone who thinks so. just sick bastards who want to save money and gain material possessions. it doesn't matter how public this goes, the moral is the same. no one or nothing deserves to be treated this way. ever. And to try and prove a point this way which I think is part of why they did it for reasons i cannot disclose, they are sick bitter and twisted and they had no actual reason to do such an awful thing.[/p][/quote]What about slaughtermen? What about vets who put animals down?[/p][/quote]i think theres a bit on a difference from being burnt alive to a sick animal being put down!![/p][/quote]I appreciate that, but it wasn't what was said. What in one man's view is a sickanimal may be another man's sickly beast in need of a cuddle! atlas123
  • Score: -15

5:14pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Janch1 says...

Scum of the earth. I hope the same happens to them. How can someone do something so cruel, evil and sickening. The world should be rid of these types of low life. Dowse the scumbags in petrol and put a match to them, quick and simple. Gone for good. A few less vile beings on our streets.
Scum of the earth. I hope the same happens to them. How can someone do something so cruel, evil and sickening. The world should be rid of these types of low life. Dowse the scumbags in petrol and put a match to them, quick and simple. Gone for good. A few less vile beings on our streets. Janch1
  • Score: 22

5:35pm Tue 22 Apr 14

sazz69 says...

atlas123 wrote:
boltonlife14 wrote:
atlas123 wrote:
sazz69 wrote: purposely killing a living human or animal should be dealt with by them themselves being killed. why should horses have to suffer for something they are not involved in. they are defenseless and i know for a fact it was to do with the auctioning of the land. humans are sick. nothing to do with travelers to anyone who thinks so. just sick bastards who want to save money and gain material possessions. it doesn't matter how public this goes, the moral is the same. no one or nothing deserves to be treated this way. ever. And to try and prove a point this way which I think is part of why they did it for reasons i cannot disclose, they are sick bitter and twisted and they had no actual reason to do such an awful thing.
What about slaughtermen? What about vets who put animals down?
i think theres a bit on a difference from being burnt alive to a sick animal being put down!!
I appreciate that, but it wasn't what was said. What in one man's view is a sickanimal may be another man's sickly beast in need of a cuddle!
**** your tax money. its an animals life were talking about whom are EQUAL or at least should be to humans even though HUMANS are the ones who cause such terrible things. and HOW has vets any relevance AT ALL to this. there ISN'T so stop being disrespectful.
[quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boltonlife14[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sazz69[/bold] wrote: purposely killing a living human or animal should be dealt with by them themselves being killed. why should horses have to suffer for something they are not involved in. they are defenseless and i know for a fact it was to do with the auctioning of the land. humans are sick. nothing to do with travelers to anyone who thinks so. just sick bastards who want to save money and gain material possessions. it doesn't matter how public this goes, the moral is the same. no one or nothing deserves to be treated this way. ever. And to try and prove a point this way which I think is part of why they did it for reasons i cannot disclose, they are sick bitter and twisted and they had no actual reason to do such an awful thing.[/p][/quote]What about slaughtermen? What about vets who put animals down?[/p][/quote]i think theres a bit on a difference from being burnt alive to a sick animal being put down!![/p][/quote]I appreciate that, but it wasn't what was said. What in one man's view is a sickanimal may be another man's sickly beast in need of a cuddle![/p][/quote]**** your tax money. its an animals life were talking about whom are EQUAL or at least should be to humans even though HUMANS are the ones who cause such terrible things. and HOW has vets any relevance AT ALL to this. there ISN'T so stop being disrespectful. sazz69
  • Score: 5

6:02pm Tue 22 Apr 14

buskersball says...

I'd certainly be watching who buys the land
I'd certainly be watching who buys the land buskersball
  • Score: -2

6:13pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Tim Burr says...

sazz69 wrote:
purposely killing a living human or animal should be dealt with by them themselves being killed. why should horses have to suffer for something they are not involved in. they are defenseless and i know for a fact it was to do with the auctioning of the land. humans are sick. nothing to do with travelers to anyone who thinks so. just sick bastards who want to save money and gain material possessions. it doesn't matter how public this goes, the moral is the same. no one or nothing deserves to be treated this way. ever. And to try and prove a point this way which I think is part of why they did it for reasons i cannot disclose, they are sick bitter and twisted and they had no actual reason to do such an awful thing.
If you know for a 'fact' it's linked to the auction, it's also likely you know who did this, don't you think you should be speaking to the police regarding your 'facts'?.
[quote][p][bold]sazz69[/bold] wrote: purposely killing a living human or animal should be dealt with by them themselves being killed. why should horses have to suffer for something they are not involved in. they are defenseless and i know for a fact it was to do with the auctioning of the land. humans are sick. nothing to do with travelers to anyone who thinks so. just sick bastards who want to save money and gain material possessions. it doesn't matter how public this goes, the moral is the same. no one or nothing deserves to be treated this way. ever. And to try and prove a point this way which I think is part of why they did it for reasons i cannot disclose, they are sick bitter and twisted and they had no actual reason to do such an awful thing.[/p][/quote]If you know for a 'fact' it's linked to the auction, it's also likely you know who did this, don't you think you should be speaking to the police regarding your 'facts'?. Tim Burr
  • Score: 17

6:35pm Tue 22 Apr 14

vicwhizz says...

Chrome1 wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
Check out the traveller community.
Fascist
well why not check out the whole ethnic minority,racist pig
[quote][p][bold]Chrome1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Check out the traveller community.[/p][/quote]Fascist[/p][/quote]well why not check out the whole ethnic minority,racist pig vicwhizz
  • Score: -7

6:40pm Tue 22 Apr 14

sazz69 says...

Obliviously all this information has been discussed with the police.
Obliviously all this information has been discussed with the police. sazz69
  • Score: 10

7:56pm Tue 22 Apr 14

sazz69 says...

I don't know for a fact that it was whom have been involved with the sale, however it is a large coincidence. Just to make it clear as there is no other reason to why, that any of us know of. x
I don't know for a fact that it was whom have been involved with the sale, however it is a large coincidence. Just to make it clear as there is no other reason to why, that any of us know of. x sazz69
  • Score: 8

8:46pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Kath66 says...

I walk my dog regularly past the stables and it's a beautiful place. If out I say hello and pat the horses, I am heartbroken by this sickening act and am so sorry for the owners. I hope whoever did this is caught and should be hung. These animals were defenceless. Whoever did this are scum and should suffer in the same way as those poor defenceless beautiful animals.
I walk my dog regularly past the stables and it's a beautiful place. If out I say hello and pat the horses, I am heartbroken by this sickening act and am so sorry for the owners. I hope whoever did this is caught and should be hung. These animals were defenceless. Whoever did this are scum and should suffer in the same way as those poor defenceless beautiful animals. Kath66
  • Score: 16

9:39pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Emjo22xx says...

My heart goes out to the owners. How can anyone be so cruel? I think we need to realise that our species is made up of human beings and sub-humans. Anyone who harms animals is the latter. Animals bring so much happiness and love into our lives. Their life is of far greater value than the sub-human coward who made this choice.
My heart goes out to the owners. How can anyone be so cruel? I think we need to realise that our species is made up of human beings and sub-humans. Anyone who harms animals is the latter. Animals bring so much happiness and love into our lives. Their life is of far greater value than the sub-human coward who made this choice. Emjo22xx
  • Score: 14

9:58pm Tue 22 Apr 14

atlas123 says...

eatmytruth wrote:
atlas123 wrote:
sazz69 wrote:
these are a friends horses and they were the loveliest. If i find out who they are who did this i will personally beat them to the ground and set them on fire. they need to bring back the death penalty for people like this. words cannot describe how devastated we all are.
Nothing excessive the british peoples anger like cruelty to animals. Put up pictures of a scabby thin dog and there will be universal cries for them to be hung.

If we have a murder then there is a monthlong debate about the rights and wrongs of the death penalty.

Of course this is horrific and a dreadful way for animals to die and there should be stiff punishment, but it does amuse me how these things are discussed in the public arena.

I doubt that the arsonists will be caught, it sounds like an isolated spot, in the middle of the night where fire has consumed any sort of forensic evidence that may have been present.

The conspiricy part of my brain is suggesting that someone who either has a beef with the current seller and wants to devalue/disrupt his sale is responsible. Or a neighbour who is unhappy about the smell/noise or commotion of the stables ever being put there and is trying to put horsey nuts off buying the place or using the stables.
Or maybe a potential buyer who wants to devalue themail property before placing a bid. Who knows...
Sort of gets rid if the sitting tenant too if you want to develop the land or put your own animals, cars, canabis farm etcin
[quote][p][bold]eatmytruth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sazz69[/bold] wrote: these are a friends horses and they were the loveliest. If i find out who they are who did this i will personally beat them to the ground and set them on fire. they need to bring back the death penalty for people like this. words cannot describe how devastated we all are.[/p][/quote]Nothing excessive the british peoples anger like cruelty to animals. Put up pictures of a scabby thin dog and there will be universal cries for them to be hung. If we have a murder then there is a monthlong debate about the rights and wrongs of the death penalty. Of course this is horrific and a dreadful way for animals to die and there should be stiff punishment, but it does amuse me how these things are discussed in the public arena. I doubt that the arsonists will be caught, it sounds like an isolated spot, in the middle of the night where fire has consumed any sort of forensic evidence that may have been present. The conspiricy part of my brain is suggesting that someone who either has a beef with the current seller and wants to devalue/disrupt his sale is responsible. Or a neighbour who is unhappy about the smell/noise or commotion of the stables ever being put there and is trying to put horsey nuts off buying the place or using the stables.[/p][/quote]Or maybe a potential buyer who wants to devalue themail property before placing a bid. Who knows...[/p][/quote]Sort of gets rid if the sitting tenant too if you want to develop the land or put your own animals, cars, canabis farm etcin atlas123
  • Score: -3

10:10pm Tue 22 Apr 14

DiscoStu82 says...

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. DiscoStu82
  • Score: -6

10:51pm Tue 22 Apr 14

maryhorts says...

sazz69 wrote:
melloj wrote:
atlas123 wrote:
sazz69 wrote:
these are a friends horses and they were the loveliest. If i find out who they are who did this i will personally beat them to the ground and set them on fire. they need to bring back the death penalty for people like this. words cannot describe how devastated we all are.
Nothing excessive the british peoples anger like cruelty to animals. Put up pictures of a scabby thin dog and there will be universal cries for them to be hung.

If we have a murder then there is a monthlong debate about the rights and wrongs of the death penalty.

Of course this is horrific and a dreadful way for animals to die and there should be stiff punishment, but it does amuse me how these things are discussed in the public arena.

I doubt that the arsonists will be caught, it sounds like an isolated spot, in the middle of the night where fire has consumed any sort of forensic evidence that may have been present.

The conspiricy part of my brain is suggesting that someone who either has a beef with the current seller and wants to devalue/disrupt his sale is responsible. Or a neighbour who is unhappy about the smell/noise or commotion of the stables ever being put there and is trying to put horsey nuts off buying the place or using the stables.
Good point! The fact he was selling next week suggests sabotage.

if the Police really wanted to catch these people they could do. You'd be suprised what evidence they could turn over, if it were people who died they'd catch them. it comes down to priority and resources.
for your information the stables have been there for years and years and the people whom live around them also have horses so are NOT bothered by them being or ever being put there in the slightest. There is no one around to complain.
Yes ..it' s really isolated and if you were walking along the riverbank you sort of stumble over it by accident ..I was nearby on Monday having a picnic with the kids at the lodge .Nothing untoward ..Dreadful action but don't start fling mud at the travelling folk until the police have done their bit ..
[quote][p][bold]sazz69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]melloj[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]atlas123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sazz69[/bold] wrote: these are a friends horses and they were the loveliest. If i find out who they are who did this i will personally beat them to the ground and set them on fire. they need to bring back the death penalty for people like this. words cannot describe how devastated we all are.[/p][/quote]Nothing excessive the british peoples anger like cruelty to animals. Put up pictures of a scabby thin dog and there will be universal cries for them to be hung. If we have a murder then there is a monthlong debate about the rights and wrongs of the death penalty. Of course this is horrific and a dreadful way for animals to die and there should be stiff punishment, but it does amuse me how these things are discussed in the public arena. I doubt that the arsonists will be caught, it sounds like an isolated spot, in the middle of the night where fire has consumed any sort of forensic evidence that may have been present. The conspiricy part of my brain is suggesting that someone who either has a beef with the current seller and wants to devalue/disrupt his sale is responsible. Or a neighbour who is unhappy about the smell/noise or commotion of the stables ever being put there and is trying to put horsey nuts off buying the place or using the stables.[/p][/quote]Good point! The fact he was selling next week suggests sabotage. if the Police really wanted to catch these people they could do. You'd be suprised what evidence they could turn over, if it were people who died they'd catch them. it comes down to priority and resources.[/p][/quote]for your information the stables have been there for years and years and the people whom live around them also have horses so are NOT bothered by them being or ever being put there in the slightest. There is no one around to complain.[/p][/quote]Yes ..it' s really isolated and if you were walking along the riverbank you sort of stumble over it by accident ..I was nearby on Monday having a picnic with the kids at the lodge .Nothing untoward ..Dreadful action but don't start fling mud at the travelling folk until the police have done their bit .. maryhorts
  • Score: 3

11:06pm Tue 22 Apr 14

Greasy Chip Butty says...

Chrome1 wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
Check out the traveller community.
Fascist
Jim271 surely cannot be a fascist. With his knowledge and expertise he can be the Gypsy/Traveller Liaison Officer.
[quote][p][bold]Chrome1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Check out the traveller community.[/p][/quote]Fascist[/p][/quote]Jim271 surely cannot be a fascist. With his knowledge and expertise he can be the Gypsy/Traveller Liaison Officer. Greasy Chip Butty
  • Score: 5

11:26pm Tue 22 Apr 14

fisherman1959 says...

Hope they catch them
Hope they catch them fisherman1959
  • Score: 10

11:57pm Tue 22 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Absolutely disgusting and hope they catch whoever did it and lock them up for a good few years.

Just a pity they cannot be tried for murder!
Absolutely disgusting and hope they catch whoever did it and lock them up for a good few years. Just a pity they cannot be tried for murder! The Righteous One
  • Score: 7

3:47am Wed 23 Apr 14

oftbewildered2 says...

sazz69 wrote:
these are a friends horses and they were the loveliest. If i find out who they are who did this i will personally beat them to the ground and set them on fire. they need to bring back the death penalty for people like this. words cannot describe how devastated we all are.
I am sure the thoughts of the community are with you and the owners of these lovely animals
[quote][p][bold]sazz69[/bold] wrote: these are a friends horses and they were the loveliest. If i find out who they are who did this i will personally beat them to the ground and set them on fire. they need to bring back the death penalty for people like this. words cannot describe how devastated we all are.[/p][/quote]I am sure the thoughts of the community are with you and the owners of these lovely animals oftbewildered2
  • Score: 5

12:20pm Wed 23 Apr 14

johnnyjackson says...

white scum bags
white scum bags johnnyjackson
  • Score: -12

3:37pm Wed 23 Apr 14

goldie47 says...

how low can scumbags sink to
how low can scumbags sink to goldie47
  • Score: 6

8:55pm Wed 23 Apr 14

julieanddave says...

should do the same to them when they find out who has done it
should do the same to them when they find out who has done it julieanddave
  • Score: 5

11:56pm Wed 23 Apr 14

kay100 says...

I cannot get my head around this. It is not making any sense to me. An arsonist likes fires but not usually harming people or animals.Someone somewhere has witnessed someone coming home stinking of petrol. Lets hope they do the right thing and turn them in
I cannot get my head around this. It is not making any sense to me. An arsonist likes fires but not usually harming people or animals.Someone somewhere has witnessed someone coming home stinking of petrol. Lets hope they do the right thing and turn them in kay100
  • Score: 4

1:16am Tue 29 Apr 14

Micksmum says...

Comment777 wrote:
Planned and organised for a reason. A grudge against the owner maybe.

If the travelling community had been involved they would , as has been pointed out here already, have taken the horses.

Are these stables on what used to be Jeff Stones' small holding?



I
No, the stables aren't on what used to be Jeff Stones' place, they are further down the lane on the other side.

I used to work with horses and it sickens me to think what those poor animals went through in that fire. This was a totally despicable act and I hope the brainless scumbags are soon caught and suitably punished - and this is the polite version of what I'm actually thinking!
[quote][p][bold]Comment777[/bold] wrote: Planned and organised for a reason. A grudge against the owner maybe. If the travelling community had been involved they would , as has been pointed out here already, have taken the horses. Are these stables on what used to be Jeff Stones' small holding? I[/p][/quote]No, the stables aren't on what used to be Jeff Stones' place, they are further down the lane on the other side. I used to work with horses and it sickens me to think what those poor animals went through in that fire. This was a totally despicable act and I hope the brainless scumbags are soon caught and suitably punished - and this is the polite version of what I'm actually thinking! Micksmum
  • Score: 0

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