Bolton schools WILL be encouraged to fly union flag and sing national anthem

The union flag

Cllr Mudasir Dean

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SCHOOLS will be encouraged to fly the Union flag and ask pupils to sing the national anthem during assemblies, councillors have decided.

The patriotic motion, put forward by Bradshaw councillor Mudasir Dean, was approved by a majority at a town hall meeting last night despite reservations that it was an unnecessary addition to the school day and ‘un-British’.

Conservative Cllr Dean urged councillors to vote for it as a way of helping immigrants integrate into British life, instil national pride in the town’s youth and stop the county’s flag being associated with far-right groups.

He said: “Some of us feel English, some of us Scottish, Irish, Welsh, some a bit Lancastrian and some even a sense of European.

“But if there is one lone symbol, one flag, that ties us together I believe it is Great Britain and the flag would be the Union Jack.”

But Cllr Chris Peacock — while saying he has no ideological problem to the scheme — said the flag "meant more to him" when saved for special occasions.

“It’s more special because we don’t see it everywhere”, he added.

“I can’t see why we need to do this, I don’t feel that we should be mandating to schools and I wonder whether this should be priority for this council and for the town’s education.”

The Labour group were instructed to "vote with their conscience", according to leader of the council Cllr Cliff Morris. He voted for the motion.


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In total, 34 voted for the motion, while there were 11 abstentions, and four voted against it.

Throughout the debate accusations flew across the floor that the motion was politically-motivated and would stretch already tight school budgets.

Cllr David Greenhalgh, leader of the Conservatives, defended the motion — saying there was no obligation on schools to fly the flag or sing the anthem every day, and lambasted claims that outright patriotism was not part of British culture.

“Given an excuse, this country is patriotic”, he said.

“What better way to set an example, to share that pride in our nation, than with our young people and in our schools?”

  • See our live coverage of last night's meeting here.

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10:46am Thu 17 Apr 14

exboard says...

Ludicrous!
Ludicrous! exboard
  • Score: -38

10:57am Thu 17 Apr 14

Taern Fastgrade says...

'Murica!

Oh wait, wrong country.
'Murica! Oh wait, wrong country. Taern Fastgrade
  • Score: -22

11:22am Thu 17 Apr 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

So they should, pride in this country needs to be brought back.
So they should, pride in this country needs to be brought back. FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 47

11:23am Thu 17 Apr 14

marco999 says...

It is very common to see the stars and stripes flag on peoples homes and in virtually all public places in the US so I can't see a problem with our Union Jack having a more ubiquitous presence here. Let us all be proud of this great country - especially if it is your new home.
It is very common to see the stars and stripes flag on peoples homes and in virtually all public places in the US so I can't see a problem with our Union Jack having a more ubiquitous presence here. Let us all be proud of this great country - especially if it is your new home. marco999
  • Score: 50

11:23am Thu 17 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

Lets have a Bolton Flag on display as well.
Lets have a Bolton Flag on display as well. Jim271
  • Score: 14

11:55am Thu 17 Apr 14

ke1979 says...

Schools shouldn't be used as a political football by councillors. A ridiculous attempt to garner some votes from people ahead of the elections. Not even a subtle attempt at that.
Schools shouldn't be used as a political football by councillors. A ridiculous attempt to garner some votes from people ahead of the elections. Not even a subtle attempt at that. ke1979
  • Score: 1

12:03pm Thu 17 Apr 14

stereo_world says...

ke1979 wrote:
Schools shouldn't be used as a political football by councillors. A ridiculous attempt to garner some votes from people ahead of the elections. Not even a subtle attempt at that.
If it injects a bit of patriotism into our daily lives, then I'm happy.
[quote][p][bold]ke1979[/bold] wrote: Schools shouldn't be used as a political football by councillors. A ridiculous attempt to garner some votes from people ahead of the elections. Not even a subtle attempt at that.[/p][/quote]If it injects a bit of patriotism into our daily lives, then I'm happy. stereo_world
  • Score: 31

12:35pm Thu 17 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

Is it possible to find out who abstained & who voted against please Bolton News would be nice to know as it tells the electorate what they need to know.
Is it possible to find out who abstained & who voted against please Bolton News would be nice to know as it tells the electorate what they need to know. thomas222
  • Score: 49

12:35pm Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
So they should, pride in this country needs to be brought back.
But schools NEVER sang the national anthem and NEVER flew the Union flag.

Patriotism starts long before school - it comes from the parents. Doing thee singing and flying the flag will, in the main, put children off and become disillusioned with school even more and possibly make many more children non-patriotic.

Patriotism is about supporting and loving your country and that comes from the heart which, in turn, comes from the children's parents.

I have no doubt that the minority of people do not have any patriotism but is is, also, the minority that gets the press coverage and as such some people think it is normal!!!

All one needs to do s look back at the Olympics 2 years ago and the Queens jubilee last year and the birth of Prince George and in less than 3 months the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow - also lets not forget the patriotism shown when we won the Tour De France in the successive years a well as winning Wimbledon and then lets not forget the patriotism shown when the soldiers return from their tour of duty (whether you agree with the politics behind it, or not), and then look at the start of all international friendlies and the number of people that stand for the National Anthem and sing it!!!

We do not need this American style of indoctrination as we already have National Pride and plenty of it!!!!



As it is, it isn't law and only an advise and if schools want to do this they have to find the money themselves - so that would probably mean less community spirit and sharing and thus reducing the patriotic spirit!!!! Or it could mean a further reduction in actual "teaching time2 in schools and thus finishing earlier and eroding even further the community sprit between the local, parents and the school and in reality reducing patriotism!!! With this it is now a no-win situation - d@nmed if they try and d@nmed if they don't!

All this has shown is that it is now going to create a further air of mistrust between the council, schools and the local communities and actually erode what patriotism there is!!!!

Just my point of view, and probably the more realistic rather than the many jingoistic attitudes that many have on here which seem to never materialise!
[quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: So they should, pride in this country needs to be brought back.[/p][/quote]But schools NEVER sang the national anthem and NEVER flew the Union flag. Patriotism starts long before school - it comes from the parents. Doing thee singing and flying the flag will, in the main, put children off and become disillusioned with school even more and possibly make many more children non-patriotic. Patriotism is about supporting and loving your country and that comes from the heart which, in turn, comes from the children's parents. I have no doubt that the minority of people do not have any patriotism but is is, also, the minority that gets the press coverage and as such some people think it is normal!!! All one needs to do s look back at the Olympics 2 years ago and the Queens jubilee last year and the birth of Prince George and in less than 3 months the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow - also lets not forget the patriotism shown when we won the Tour De France in the successive years a well as winning Wimbledon and then lets not forget the patriotism shown when the soldiers return from their tour of duty (whether you agree with the politics behind it, or not), and then look at the start of all international friendlies and the number of people that stand for the National Anthem and sing it!!! We do not need this American style of indoctrination as we already have National Pride and plenty of it!!!! As it is, it isn't law and only an advise and if schools want to do this they have to find the money themselves - so that would probably mean less community spirit and sharing and thus reducing the patriotic spirit!!!! Or it could mean a further reduction in actual "teaching time2 in schools and thus finishing earlier and eroding even further the community sprit between the local, parents and the school and in reality reducing patriotism!!! With this it is now a no-win situation - d@nmed if they try and d@nmed if they don't! All this has shown is that it is now going to create a further air of mistrust between the council, schools and the local communities and actually erode what patriotism there is!!!! Just my point of view, and probably the more realistic rather than the many jingoistic attitudes that many have on here which seem to never materialise! The Righteous One
  • Score: -35

12:43pm Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
Is it possible to find out who abstained & who voted against please Bolton News would be nice to know as it tells the electorate what they need to know.
So you can bully them into submission?


Or is it so you can use it to say well we would have voted for it blah blah blah. Which basically any of the political parties could do. But lets et this right votes are SECRET, and that is how they should stay so bullying and "Thomas Ryder" style politics cannot take place! Remember it was your forefathers that wanted the secret ballot so not to be bullied against their point of view - something you want to remove - a true great British tradition!!!!

To be fair If I was a councillor I would have voted against it because it isn't needed - we have plenty of patriotism in this country without this US style of indoctrination and in-your-face "do as we say or else" attitude!!!


I am surprised you also didn't ask for the 11 councillors that didn't turn up to the last Council Meeting before the elections!!!

But I am still not surprised that you can still not name one patriotic thing this country does, and yet I can name multitudes, and you call me a traitor!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Is it possible to find out who abstained & who voted against please Bolton News would be nice to know as it tells the electorate what they need to know.[/p][/quote]So you can bully them into submission? Or is it so you can use it to say well we would have voted for it blah blah blah. Which basically any of the political parties could do. But lets et this right votes are SECRET, and that is how they should stay so bullying and "Thomas Ryder" style politics cannot take place! Remember it was your forefathers that wanted the secret ballot so not to be bullied against their point of view - something you want to remove - a true great British tradition!!!! To be fair If I was a councillor I would have voted against it because it isn't needed - we have plenty of patriotism in this country without this US style of indoctrination and in-your-face "do as we say or else" attitude!!! I am surprised you also didn't ask for the 11 councillors that didn't turn up to the last Council Meeting before the elections!!! But I am still not surprised that you can still not name one patriotic thing this country does, and yet I can name multitudes, and you call me a traitor!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -66

12:44pm Thu 17 Apr 14

trish1975 says...

I don't see much of a problem with this, I think the union jack should be raised in British schools every morning, and maybe the national anthem sung in assembly about once a week either at the stat or the end.
there is nothing worse than when British footballers or gold medal winners trying to sing the national anthem and not knowing the words.
I don't see much of a problem with this, I think the union jack should be raised in British schools every morning, and maybe the national anthem sung in assembly about once a week either at the stat or the end. there is nothing worse than when British footballers or gold medal winners trying to sing the national anthem and not knowing the words. trish1975
  • Score: 21

12:48pm Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

marco999 wrote:
It is very common to see the stars and stripes flag on peoples homes and in virtually all public places in the US so I can't see a problem with our Union Jack having a more ubiquitous presence here. Let us all be proud of this great country - especially if it is your new home.
Union Jack - I didn't realised you lived on a boat!!!!

Union Flag is for on land
Union Jack is for on the water

Yes I know we can supposedly interchange the sues but the traditional meanings that count!!!!


Anyway why have a flag flying in our country when it rains more than it dry and would be flying in the wind as it would get tangled up on the sight blow of the wind - it would just look very unsightly!!!!

If anything the US overuse their flag and anthem and it is nothing special nowadays - they even sing it as the end of theatre productions etc etc etc and many now view it as not essentially patriotic, just normal run of the mill, i.e.nothing special!!! Yes there was a rise of the use after 11/9 but since then it has become so normal that people are actually getting fed up with it!!

Do we really want our flag and anthem to become a piece of irrelevance?
[quote][p][bold]marco999[/bold] wrote: It is very common to see the stars and stripes flag on peoples homes and in virtually all public places in the US so I can't see a problem with our Union Jack having a more ubiquitous presence here. Let us all be proud of this great country - especially if it is your new home.[/p][/quote]Union Jack - I didn't realised you lived on a boat!!!! Union Flag is for on land Union Jack is for on the water Yes I know we can supposedly interchange the sues but the traditional meanings that count!!!! Anyway why have a flag flying in our country when it rains more than it dry and would be flying in the wind as it would get tangled up on the sight blow of the wind - it would just look very unsightly!!!! If anything the US overuse their flag and anthem and it is nothing special nowadays - they even sing it as the end of theatre productions etc etc etc and many now view it as not essentially patriotic, just normal run of the mill, i.e.nothing special!!! Yes there was a rise of the use after 11/9 but since then it has become so normal that people are actually getting fed up with it!! Do we really want our flag and anthem to become a piece of irrelevance? The Righteous One
  • Score: -61

12:51pm Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
Is it possible to find out who abstained & who voted against please Bolton News would be nice to know as it tells the electorate what they need to know.
f you were so patriotic of the United Kingdom then you wouldn't be wanting to destroy great British tradition by asking the Council/Paper to break the law in naming those who voted against it or abstained!!! Remember your forefathers fought to have the right to have a secret ballot!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Is it possible to find out who abstained & who voted against please Bolton News would be nice to know as it tells the electorate what they need to know.[/p][/quote]f you were so patriotic of the United Kingdom then you wouldn't be wanting to destroy great British tradition by asking the Council/Paper to break the law in naming those who voted against it or abstained!!! Remember your forefathers fought to have the right to have a secret ballot!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -48

12:53pm Thu 17 Apr 14

BlueRay79 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
So they should, pride in this country needs to be brought back.
But schools NEVER sang the national anthem and NEVER flew the Union flag.

Patriotism starts long before school - it comes from the parents. Doing thee singing and flying the flag will, in the main, put children off and become disillusioned with school even more and possibly make many more children non-patriotic.

Patriotism is about supporting and loving your country and that comes from the heart which, in turn, comes from the children's parents.

I have no doubt that the minority of people do not have any patriotism but is is, also, the minority that gets the press coverage and as such some people think it is normal!!!

All one needs to do s look back at the Olympics 2 years ago and the Queens jubilee last year and the birth of Prince George and in less than 3 months the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow - also lets not forget the patriotism shown when we won the Tour De France in the successive years a well as winning Wimbledon and then lets not forget the patriotism shown when the soldiers return from their tour of duty (whether you agree with the politics behind it, or not), and then look at the start of all international friendlies and the number of people that stand for the National Anthem and sing it!!!

We do not need this American style of indoctrination as we already have National Pride and plenty of it!!!!



As it is, it isn't law and only an advise and if schools want to do this they have to find the money themselves - so that would probably mean less community spirit and sharing and thus reducing the patriotic spirit!!!! Or it could mean a further reduction in actual "teaching time2 in schools and thus finishing earlier and eroding even further the community sprit between the local, parents and the school and in reality reducing patriotism!!! With this it is now a no-win situation - d@nmed if they try and d@nmed if they don't!

All this has shown is that it is now going to create a further air of mistrust between the council, schools and the local communities and actually erode what patriotism there is!!!!

Just my point of view, and probably the more realistic rather than the many jingoistic attitudes that many have on here which seem to never materialise!
We didn't need to fly the flag or sing the anthem going back a good couple of decades because the country was full of patriotism. Multiculturalism put an end to that!

Also you say it starts with the parents, but that's not going to happen is it in this society full of "multiculturalism" where British people are too scared to say anything in case is the "wrong" thing or wear the "wrong" accessory.

I think it's a good idea to have other faiths/religions try to integrate with us more. The flag has nothing to do with the BNP (bunch of balloons) and people should be proud of it.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: So they should, pride in this country needs to be brought back.[/p][/quote]But schools NEVER sang the national anthem and NEVER flew the Union flag. Patriotism starts long before school - it comes from the parents. Doing thee singing and flying the flag will, in the main, put children off and become disillusioned with school even more and possibly make many more children non-patriotic. Patriotism is about supporting and loving your country and that comes from the heart which, in turn, comes from the children's parents. I have no doubt that the minority of people do not have any patriotism but is is, also, the minority that gets the press coverage and as such some people think it is normal!!! All one needs to do s look back at the Olympics 2 years ago and the Queens jubilee last year and the birth of Prince George and in less than 3 months the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow - also lets not forget the patriotism shown when we won the Tour De France in the successive years a well as winning Wimbledon and then lets not forget the patriotism shown when the soldiers return from their tour of duty (whether you agree with the politics behind it, or not), and then look at the start of all international friendlies and the number of people that stand for the National Anthem and sing it!!! We do not need this American style of indoctrination as we already have National Pride and plenty of it!!!! As it is, it isn't law and only an advise and if schools want to do this they have to find the money themselves - so that would probably mean less community spirit and sharing and thus reducing the patriotic spirit!!!! Or it could mean a further reduction in actual "teaching time2 in schools and thus finishing earlier and eroding even further the community sprit between the local, parents and the school and in reality reducing patriotism!!! With this it is now a no-win situation - d@nmed if they try and d@nmed if they don't! All this has shown is that it is now going to create a further air of mistrust between the council, schools and the local communities and actually erode what patriotism there is!!!! Just my point of view, and probably the more realistic rather than the many jingoistic attitudes that many have on here which seem to never materialise![/p][/quote]We didn't need to fly the flag or sing the anthem going back a good couple of decades because the country was full of patriotism. Multiculturalism put an end to that! Also you say it starts with the parents, but that's not going to happen is it in this society full of "multiculturalism" where British people are too scared to say anything in case is the "wrong" thing or wear the "wrong" accessory. I think it's a good idea to have other faiths/religions try to integrate with us more. The flag has nothing to do with the BNP (bunch of balloons) and people should be proud of it. BlueRay79
  • Score: 24

1:00pm Thu 17 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Is it possible to find out who abstained & who voted against please Bolton News would be nice to know as it tells the electorate what they need to know.
So you can bully them into submission?


Or is it so you can use it to say well we would have voted for it blah blah blah. Which basically any of the political parties could do. But lets et this right votes are SECRET, and that is how they should stay so bullying and "Thomas Ryder" style politics cannot take place! Remember it was your forefathers that wanted the secret ballot so not to be bullied against their point of view - something you want to remove - a true great British tradition!!!!

To be fair If I was a councillor I would have voted against it because it isn't needed - we have plenty of patriotism in this country without this US style of indoctrination and in-your-face "do as we say or else" attitude!!!


I am surprised you also didn't ask for the 11 councillors that didn't turn up to the last Council Meeting before the elections!!!

But I am still not surprised that you can still not name one patriotic thing this country does, and yet I can name multitudes, and you call me a traitor!!!
Do not comment on any of my posts again please you have become boring & show yourself to what you really are not only are you racist & a bigot your also nasty & anti British & you have become a obsessed ukip-phobe with your fear of change . Do not reply to this i wont reply.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Is it possible to find out who abstained & who voted against please Bolton News would be nice to know as it tells the electorate what they need to know.[/p][/quote]So you can bully them into submission? Or is it so you can use it to say well we would have voted for it blah blah blah. Which basically any of the political parties could do. But lets et this right votes are SECRET, and that is how they should stay so bullying and "Thomas Ryder" style politics cannot take place! Remember it was your forefathers that wanted the secret ballot so not to be bullied against their point of view - something you want to remove - a true great British tradition!!!! To be fair If I was a councillor I would have voted against it because it isn't needed - we have plenty of patriotism in this country without this US style of indoctrination and in-your-face "do as we say or else" attitude!!! I am surprised you also didn't ask for the 11 councillors that didn't turn up to the last Council Meeting before the elections!!! But I am still not surprised that you can still not name one patriotic thing this country does, and yet I can name multitudes, and you call me a traitor!!![/p][/quote]Do not comment on any of my posts again please you have become boring & show yourself to what you really are not only are you racist & a bigot your also nasty & anti British & you have become a obsessed ukip-phobe with your fear of change . Do not reply to this i wont reply. thomas222
  • Score: 43

1:09pm Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Is it possible to find out who abstained & who voted against please Bolton News would be nice to know as it tells the electorate what they need to know.
So you can bully them into submission?


Or is it so you can use it to say well we would have voted for it blah blah blah. Which basically any of the political parties could do. But lets et this right votes are SECRET, and that is how they should stay so bullying and "Thomas Ryder" style politics cannot take place! Remember it was your forefathers that wanted the secret ballot so not to be bullied against their point of view - something you want to remove - a true great British tradition!!!!

To be fair If I was a councillor I would have voted against it because it isn't needed - we have plenty of patriotism in this country without this US style of indoctrination and in-your-face "do as we say or else" attitude!!!


I am surprised you also didn't ask for the 11 councillors that didn't turn up to the last Council Meeting before the elections!!!

But I am still not surprised that you can still not name one patriotic thing this country does, and yet I can name multitudes, and you call me a traitor!!!
Do not comment on any of my posts again please you have become boring & show yourself to what you really are not only are you racist & a bigot your also nasty & anti British & you have become a obsessed ukip-phobe with your fear of change . Do not reply to this i wont reply.
If you want I can repeat what I did on the other thread and sow you to be a compulsive LIAR!!!

In fact here we go.....

THIS IS THOMAS RYER THE SPOKESPERSON FOR THE BOLTON BRANCH OF UKIP. HE IS A RACIST, BIGOT AND A LIAR AND WORST OF OALL VERY UNPATRIOTIC OF THE UNITED KINGDOM AS HE NEVER PRAISES ANYTHING THT IS GOD ABOUT THE TOWN OR THE COUNTRY

This is just an example of his posts, against me, in which he gives a direct racial slur (this has NOT been edited and the can be proven as in the thread that I have attached!)

Thomas222 (5.15pm Sun 13 Apr 14)
"Perhaps you could mention all the others have bummed us all on a industrial scale including the Muslim people they have to live with this & many are turning to UKIP because Labour are finished... You are on a loser."

Link is; http://www.thebolton

news.co.uk/news/1114

2838._High_street_sh

ops_are_doing_better

_than_retail_parks__

_says_report/?ref=mc


Thomas Ryder then goes n to try to twist this around by saying, this morning,

Thomas222 (8.17am Thur 17 apr14)
"You really are twisted the mention to Muslims is saying they have to put up with the Immigration overload as well as any one else because they are put into the areas the Muslim people live in like Halliwell & Dobble.. I have Muslim friends who think that they have been invaded by some undesirable people & surprise surprise they are voting UKIP. Dont threaten me if you know who i am introduce yourself in person. I would welcome that Troll."

http://www.thebolton
news.co.uk/news/1115
0947.All_Bolton_scho
ols_should_fly_union
_flag_and_sing_natio
nal_anthem__says_pat
riotic_councillor/?r
ef=mc

Thomas Ryder initially said that he never said anything about the Muslims, how the lies add up for this person!

DDO YOU REALLY WANT TO VOTE FOR A PARTY THAT CREATES LIES AND FEARS JUST TO GET A VOTE OR TWO. NOT JUST THAT, THOMAS RYDER, WANTS TO DESTROY BRITISH TRADITION AND THE BRITISH CONSTITUTION BY BEAKING THE SECRET BALLOT LAWS WHICH WERE FOUGHT FOR BY OUR FOREFATHERS DURING TH CHATIST MOEVMENTS!!!!

ARE THESE THE ACTIONS FOR A PATRIOT?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Is it possible to find out who abstained & who voted against please Bolton News would be nice to know as it tells the electorate what they need to know.[/p][/quote]So you can bully them into submission? Or is it so you can use it to say well we would have voted for it blah blah blah. Which basically any of the political parties could do. But lets et this right votes are SECRET, and that is how they should stay so bullying and "Thomas Ryder" style politics cannot take place! Remember it was your forefathers that wanted the secret ballot so not to be bullied against their point of view - something you want to remove - a true great British tradition!!!! To be fair If I was a councillor I would have voted against it because it isn't needed - we have plenty of patriotism in this country without this US style of indoctrination and in-your-face "do as we say or else" attitude!!! I am surprised you also didn't ask for the 11 councillors that didn't turn up to the last Council Meeting before the elections!!! But I am still not surprised that you can still not name one patriotic thing this country does, and yet I can name multitudes, and you call me a traitor!!![/p][/quote]Do not comment on any of my posts again please you have become boring & show yourself to what you really are not only are you racist & a bigot your also nasty & anti British & you have become a obsessed ukip-phobe with your fear of change . Do not reply to this i wont reply.[/p][/quote]If you want I can repeat what I did on the other thread and sow you to be a compulsive LIAR!!! In fact here we go..... THIS IS THOMAS RYER THE SPOKESPERSON FOR THE BOLTON BRANCH OF UKIP. HE IS A RACIST, BIGOT AND A LIAR AND WORST OF OALL VERY UNPATRIOTIC OF THE UNITED KINGDOM AS HE NEVER PRAISES ANYTHING THT IS GOD ABOUT THE TOWN OR THE COUNTRY This is just an example of his posts, against me, in which he gives a direct racial slur (this has NOT been edited and the can be proven as in the thread that I have attached!) Thomas222 (5.15pm Sun 13 Apr 14) "Perhaps you could mention all the others have bummed us all on a industrial scale including the Muslim people they have to live with this & many are turning to UKIP because Labour are finished... You are on a loser." Link is; http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/1114 2838._High_street_sh ops_are_doing_better _than_retail_parks__ _says_report/?ref=mc Thomas Ryder then goes n to try to twist this around by saying, this morning, Thomas222 (8.17am Thur 17 apr14) "You really are twisted the mention to Muslims is saying they have to put up with the Immigration overload as well as any one else because they are put into the areas the Muslim people live in like Halliwell & Dobble.. I have Muslim friends who think that they have been invaded by some undesirable people & surprise surprise they are voting UKIP. Dont threaten me if you know who i am introduce yourself in person. I would welcome that Troll." http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/1115 0947.All_Bolton_scho ols_should_fly_union _flag_and_sing_natio nal_anthem__says_pat riotic_councillor/?r ef=mc Thomas Ryder initially said that he never said anything about the Muslims, how the lies add up for this person! DDO YOU REALLY WANT TO VOTE FOR A PARTY THAT CREATES LIES AND FEARS JUST TO GET A VOTE OR TWO. NOT JUST THAT, THOMAS RYDER, WANTS TO DESTROY BRITISH TRADITION AND THE BRITISH CONSTITUTION BY BEAKING THE SECRET BALLOT LAWS WHICH WERE FOUGHT FOR BY OUR FOREFATHERS DURING TH CHATIST MOEVMENTS!!!! ARE THESE THE ACTIONS FOR A PATRIOT? The Righteous One
  • Score: -47

1:23pm Thu 17 Apr 14

BlueRay79 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Is it possible to find out who abstained & who voted against please Bolton News would be nice to know as it tells the electorate what they need to know.
So you can bully them into submission?


Or is it so you can use it to say well we would have voted for it blah blah blah. Which basically any of the political parties could do. But lets et this right votes are SECRET, and that is how they should stay so bullying and "Thomas Ryder" style politics cannot take place! Remember it was your forefathers that wanted the secret ballot so not to be bullied against their point of view - something you want to remove - a true great British tradition!!!!

To be fair If I was a councillor I would have voted against it because it isn't needed - we have plenty of patriotism in this country without this US style of indoctrination and in-your-face "do as we say or else" attitude!!!


I am surprised you also didn't ask for the 11 councillors that didn't turn up to the last Council Meeting before the elections!!!

But I am still not surprised that you can still not name one patriotic thing this country does, and yet I can name multitudes, and you call me a traitor!!!
Do not comment on any of my posts again please you have become boring & show yourself to what you really are not only are you racist & a bigot your also nasty & anti British & you have become a obsessed ukip-phobe with your fear of change . Do not reply to this i wont reply.
If you want I can repeat what I did on the other thread and sow you to be a compulsive LIAR!!!

In fact here we go.....

THIS IS THOMAS RYER THE SPOKESPERSON FOR THE BOLTON BRANCH OF UKIP. HE IS A RACIST, BIGOT AND A LIAR AND WORST OF OALL VERY UNPATRIOTIC OF THE UNITED KINGDOM AS HE NEVER PRAISES ANYTHING THT IS GOD ABOUT THE TOWN OR THE COUNTRY

This is just an example of his posts, against me, in which he gives a direct racial slur (this has NOT been edited and the can be proven as in the thread that I have attached!)

Thomas222 (5.15pm Sun 13 Apr 14)
"Perhaps you could mention all the others have bummed us all on a industrial scale including the Muslim people they have to live with this & many are turning to UKIP because Labour are finished... You are on a loser."

Link is; http://www.thebolton


news.co.uk/news/1114


2838._High_street_sh


ops_are_doing_better


_than_retail_parks__


_says_report/?ref=mc



Thomas Ryder then goes n to try to twist this around by saying, this morning,

Thomas222 (8.17am Thur 17 apr14)
"You really are twisted the mention to Muslims is saying they have to put up with the Immigration overload as well as any one else because they are put into the areas the Muslim people live in like Halliwell & Dobble.. I have Muslim friends who think that they have been invaded by some undesirable people & surprise surprise they are voting UKIP. Dont threaten me if you know who i am introduce yourself in person. I would welcome that Troll."

http://www.thebolton

news.co.uk/news/1115

0947.All_Bolton_scho

ols_should_fly_union

_flag_and_sing_natio

nal_anthem__says_pat

riotic_councillor/?r

ef=mc

Thomas Ryder initially said that he never said anything about the Muslims, how the lies add up for this person!

DDO YOU REALLY WANT TO VOTE FOR A PARTY THAT CREATES LIES AND FEARS JUST TO GET A VOTE OR TWO. NOT JUST THAT, THOMAS RYDER, WANTS TO DESTROY BRITISH TRADITION AND THE BRITISH CONSTITUTION BY BEAKING THE SECRET BALLOT LAWS WHICH WERE FOUGHT FOR BY OUR FOREFATHERS DURING TH CHATIST MOEVMENTS!!!!

ARE THESE THE ACTIONS FOR A PATRIOT?
Why do you have to keep bringing names are political parties in to the threads? There's really no need for it. If you don't like the fact that the majority voted in favour of having the flag flown at schools, then it's your right to say that on here, but stop name dropping and party bashing. It just makes you look stupid....oh wait. #Troll
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Is it possible to find out who abstained & who voted against please Bolton News would be nice to know as it tells the electorate what they need to know.[/p][/quote]So you can bully them into submission? Or is it so you can use it to say well we would have voted for it blah blah blah. Which basically any of the political parties could do. But lets et this right votes are SECRET, and that is how they should stay so bullying and "Thomas Ryder" style politics cannot take place! Remember it was your forefathers that wanted the secret ballot so not to be bullied against their point of view - something you want to remove - a true great British tradition!!!! To be fair If I was a councillor I would have voted against it because it isn't needed - we have plenty of patriotism in this country without this US style of indoctrination and in-your-face "do as we say or else" attitude!!! I am surprised you also didn't ask for the 11 councillors that didn't turn up to the last Council Meeting before the elections!!! But I am still not surprised that you can still not name one patriotic thing this country does, and yet I can name multitudes, and you call me a traitor!!![/p][/quote]Do not comment on any of my posts again please you have become boring & show yourself to what you really are not only are you racist & a bigot your also nasty & anti British & you have become a obsessed ukip-phobe with your fear of change . Do not reply to this i wont reply.[/p][/quote]If you want I can repeat what I did on the other thread and sow you to be a compulsive LIAR!!! In fact here we go..... THIS IS THOMAS RYER THE SPOKESPERSON FOR THE BOLTON BRANCH OF UKIP. HE IS A RACIST, BIGOT AND A LIAR AND WORST OF OALL VERY UNPATRIOTIC OF THE UNITED KINGDOM AS HE NEVER PRAISES ANYTHING THT IS GOD ABOUT THE TOWN OR THE COUNTRY This is just an example of his posts, against me, in which he gives a direct racial slur (this has NOT been edited and the can be proven as in the thread that I have attached!) Thomas222 (5.15pm Sun 13 Apr 14) "Perhaps you could mention all the others have bummed us all on a industrial scale including the Muslim people they have to live with this & many are turning to UKIP because Labour are finished... You are on a loser." Link is; http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/1114 2838._High_street_sh ops_are_doing_better _than_retail_parks__ _says_report/?ref=mc Thomas Ryder then goes n to try to twist this around by saying, this morning, Thomas222 (8.17am Thur 17 apr14) "You really are twisted the mention to Muslims is saying they have to put up with the Immigration overload as well as any one else because they are put into the areas the Muslim people live in like Halliwell & Dobble.. I have Muslim friends who think that they have been invaded by some undesirable people & surprise surprise they are voting UKIP. Dont threaten me if you know who i am introduce yourself in person. I would welcome that Troll." http://www.thebolton news.co.uk/news/1115 0947.All_Bolton_scho ols_should_fly_union _flag_and_sing_natio nal_anthem__says_pat riotic_councillor/?r ef=mc Thomas Ryder initially said that he never said anything about the Muslims, how the lies add up for this person! DDO YOU REALLY WANT TO VOTE FOR A PARTY THAT CREATES LIES AND FEARS JUST TO GET A VOTE OR TWO. NOT JUST THAT, THOMAS RYDER, WANTS TO DESTROY BRITISH TRADITION AND THE BRITISH CONSTITUTION BY BEAKING THE SECRET BALLOT LAWS WHICH WERE FOUGHT FOR BY OUR FOREFATHERS DURING TH CHATIST MOEVMENTS!!!! ARE THESE THE ACTIONS FOR A PATRIOT?[/p][/quote]Why do you have to keep bringing names are political parties in to the threads? There's really no need for it. If you don't like the fact that the majority voted in favour of having the flag flown at schools, then it's your right to say that on here, but stop name dropping and party bashing. It just makes you look stupid....oh wait. #Troll BlueRay79
  • Score: 13

1:26pm Thu 17 Apr 14

underwater says...

The 4 who voted against this idea should be named and got rid of . They have no place on the council if they are not patriotic to this country.
The 4 who voted against this idea should be named and got rid of . They have no place on the council if they are not patriotic to this country. underwater
  • Score: 9

1:26pm Thu 17 Apr 14

underwater says...

The 4 who voted against this idea should be named and got rid of . They have no place on the council if they are not patriotic to this country.
The 4 who voted against this idea should be named and got rid of . They have no place on the council if they are not patriotic to this country. underwater
  • Score: 2

1:26pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Hollieanne says...

Is it just me or is anybody else sick to the back teeth of the Thomas222/TRO constant hijacking of threads and bickering on this site? Think I'm done with it.
Is it just me or is anybody else sick to the back teeth of the Thomas222/TRO constant hijacking of threads and bickering on this site? Think I'm done with it. Hollieanne
  • Score: 12

1:30pm Thu 17 Apr 14

LordLeverhulme says...

Utter waste of time.
So the council now 'encourages' schools to do this.

Council "we encourage you to fly the flag and sing the anthem every day"
Headteacher "err.. no thanks"
Council "OK"

Brilliant.
Utter waste of time. So the council now 'encourages' schools to do this. Council "we encourage you to fly the flag and sing the anthem every day" Headteacher "err.. no thanks" Council "OK" Brilliant. LordLeverhulme
  • Score: 11

1:35pm Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

I am in favour of democracy and uphold the vote but Thomas Ruder gives me grief for my political views, which are pro-EU! He follows me on to various threads drowning out my posts with so much hatred towards me and my views.

In fact I you look at all threads where Thomas has basically hounded me it is usually 98% of the time he mentions his party and how my time is up and how the " New Order" is taking over and I will be "in trouble" - in other words vieled threats against my safety!

All I do is uphold the tradition of hat my, and his and your, forefathers fought for - something which Thomas continually want to destroy.

Look at his post earlier basically demanding who voted against or abstained why?? It is a ballot and names should NOT be mentioned.

But he drones on and on and on about the "New Order" and how things will change under the "New Order" - all veiled racial slurs aagainsst many sectors of the community. Especially "New Order" which stems back to Nazi Germany and how "inferior" humans will be eradicated!!!

He then calls me a liar, a bigot and twisted - an yet it is him that says these things and I have shown him proof but still denies it is him that said it!!!

I have asked him many questions over last few months with regards to his Party, many questions of which the majority would be asking - but does he answer, no he doesn't, but he expects his questions to be answered and if they are not he badgers them all over the website until either poster answer or just leaves the website!!!

I have made a complaint to UKIP about him but fed up of his attitude to people who disagree with him or don't believe in his style of bully-boy politics!! And then the other night when his true colours were shown as a racist and a bigot - that just topped it all.

All I want from him is an apology and an affirmation that his bully-boy tactics will stop!!

I have agreed to meet up with him, but heard nothing back - why??? Is he all moth and no action?
I am in favour of democracy and uphold the vote but Thomas Ruder gives me grief for my political views, which are pro-EU! He follows me on to various threads drowning out my posts with so much hatred towards me and my views. In fact I you look at all threads where Thomas has basically hounded me it is usually 98% of the time he mentions his party and how my time is up and how the " New Order" is taking over and I will be "in trouble" - in other words vieled threats against my safety! All I do is uphold the tradition of hat my, and his and your, forefathers fought for - something which Thomas continually want to destroy. Look at his post earlier basically demanding who voted against or abstained why?? It is a ballot and names should NOT be mentioned. But he drones on and on and on about the "New Order" and how things will change under the "New Order" - all veiled racial slurs aagainsst many sectors of the community. Especially "New Order" which stems back to Nazi Germany and how "inferior" humans will be eradicated!!! He then calls me a liar, a bigot and twisted - an yet it is him that says these things and I have shown him proof but still denies it is him that said it!!! I have asked him many questions over last few months with regards to his Party, many questions of which the majority would be asking - but does he answer, no he doesn't, but he expects his questions to be answered and if they are not he badgers them all over the website until either poster answer or just leaves the website!!! I have made a complaint to UKIP about him but fed up of his attitude to people who disagree with him or don't believe in his style of bully-boy politics!! And then the other night when his true colours were shown as a racist and a bigot - that just topped it all. All I want from him is an apology and an affirmation that his bully-boy tactics will stop!! I have agreed to meet up with him, but heard nothing back - why??? Is he all moth and no action? The Righteous One
  • Score: -40

1:40pm Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

underwater wrote:
The 4 who voted against this idea should be named and got rid of . They have no place on the council if they are not patriotic to this country.
Lets extend this further, you are given the vote at work and you vote against the majority -do you then expect to be sacked because of your own views plus do you expect to be outed as going against the majority?

I hope not as you would probably know that would never happen, so why do you expect it to happen in a council chamber? Maybe they have their reasons for voting against it - I know I would have done, but it doesn't make them or me unpatriotic it about the practice of showing "open" patriotism and whether it would actually do something or not or whether it would become just an everyday thing and not actually make it special!!!
[quote][p][bold]underwater[/bold] wrote: The 4 who voted against this idea should be named and got rid of . They have no place on the council if they are not patriotic to this country.[/p][/quote]Lets extend this further, you are given the vote at work and you vote against the majority -do you then expect to be sacked because of your own views plus do you expect to be outed as going against the majority? I hope not as you would probably know that would never happen, so why do you expect it to happen in a council chamber? Maybe they have their reasons for voting against it - I know I would have done, but it doesn't make them or me unpatriotic it about the practice of showing "open" patriotism and whether it would actually do something or not or whether it would become just an everyday thing and not actually make it special!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -39

1:59pm Thu 17 Apr 14

holloway_david says...

For those that talk of the flag as politically incorrect in multi racial terms, they need to remember who was here first.
For those that talk of the flag as politically incorrect in multi racial terms, they need to remember who was here first. holloway_david
  • Score: 19

2:02pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Catman3 says...

At the end of the last showing in cinemas they used to play the National Anthem and everyone stood and were proud to show their allegiance to queen and country.
I really don't see the argument against introducing a little pride back into this great nation.
At the end of the last showing in cinemas they used to play the National Anthem and everyone stood and were proud to show their allegiance to queen and country. I really don't see the argument against introducing a little pride back into this great nation. Catman3
  • Score: 12

2:04pm Thu 17 Apr 14

waynagain says...

Jim271 wrote:
Lets have a Bolton Flag on display as well.
The Bolton Flag? Does it have two 15 year old girls pushing babies in prams on it?
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Lets have a Bolton Flag on display as well.[/p][/quote]The Bolton Flag? Does it have two 15 year old girls pushing babies in prams on it? waynagain
  • Score: 8

2:06pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

What happens if a child refuses to sing the song?

A child was once suspended for refusing to pray to ALLAH.

After September they will have to take the blue off anyway.

If anything this is going to promote UKIP more than ever, shoot yourself in the foot.
What happens if a child refuses to sing the song? A child was once suspended for refusing to pray to ALLAH. After September they will have to take the blue off anyway. If anything this is going to promote UKIP more than ever, shoot yourself in the foot. Jim271
  • Score: 6

2:09pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

Lets have suggestions for a new National Anthem.

LAND OF HOPE and GLORY (Land of Dope and Tory)

The HOLY CITY

RULE BRITTANIA

MADE IN ENGLAND (Elton John)

suggestions please.
Lets have suggestions for a new National Anthem. LAND OF HOPE and GLORY (Land of Dope and Tory) The HOLY CITY RULE BRITTANIA MADE IN ENGLAND (Elton John) suggestions please. Jim271
  • Score: 1

2:37pm Thu 17 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

Jim271 wrote:
Lets have suggestions for a new National Anthem.

LAND OF HOPE and GLORY (Land of Dope and Tory)

The HOLY CITY

RULE BRITTANIA

MADE IN ENGLAND (Elton John)

suggestions please.
Wonder if they will put up a EU flag as done by Essex County Council Jim. Just to mention it UKIP Cllrs staged a protest against it.
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Lets have suggestions for a new National Anthem. LAND OF HOPE and GLORY (Land of Dope and Tory) The HOLY CITY RULE BRITTANIA MADE IN ENGLAND (Elton John) suggestions please.[/p][/quote]Wonder if they will put up a EU flag as done by Essex County Council Jim. Just to mention it UKIP Cllrs staged a protest against it. thomas222
  • Score: 2

2:49pm Thu 17 Apr 14

xshark says...

This is ridiculous. Why are we not going much, much further than this? The youth of this country should be made to dress up in uniforms at weekends and attend military style rallies where they will be taught “correct” political thinking. Correctness, of course, will be defined as whatever I want to define it as. To aid this objective, my thoughts will be made be made handily available in small pocket size manuals. All dissenters and others deemed to be expressing unpatriotic and intellectual thoughts – as defined by me - will be will be named and shamed and sent way to be re-educated.

What a cracking idea i think this is. Do you know if anyone has tried something similar before? Apparently, there’s a consultancy (MaoPot, Kim & Sons), who can provide lots of useful suggestions.
This is ridiculous. Why are we not going much, much further than this? The youth of this country should be made to dress up in uniforms at weekends and attend military style rallies where they will be taught “correct” political thinking. Correctness, of course, will be defined as whatever I want to define it as. To aid this objective, my thoughts will be made be made handily available in small pocket size manuals. All dissenters and others deemed to be expressing unpatriotic and intellectual thoughts – as defined by me - will be will be named and shamed and sent way to be re-educated. What a cracking idea i think this is. Do you know if anyone has tried something similar before? Apparently, there’s a consultancy (MaoPot, Kim & Sons), who can provide lots of useful suggestions. xshark
  • Score: 10

2:52pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Tim Burr says...

thomas222 wrote:
Is it possible to find out who abstained & who voted against please Bolton News would be nice to know as it tells the electorate what they need to know.
It is, but you'll have to ask for the minutes - though I'm reliably informed - eyes left! Though if you're thinking of using the information to "shame" certain Councillors, I'd think long and hard purely on the basis that your party is now under intense scrutiny.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Is it possible to find out who abstained & who voted against please Bolton News would be nice to know as it tells the electorate what they need to know.[/p][/quote]It is, but you'll have to ask for the minutes - though I'm reliably informed - eyes left! Though if you're thinking of using the information to "shame" certain Councillors, I'd think long and hard purely on the basis that your party is now under intense scrutiny. Tim Burr
  • Score: 1

2:55pm Thu 17 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

Tim Burr wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Is it possible to find out who abstained & who voted against please Bolton News would be nice to know as it tells the electorate what they need to know.
It is, but you'll have to ask for the minutes - though I'm reliably informed - eyes left! Though if you're thinking of using the information to "shame" certain Councillors, I'd think long and hard purely on the basis that your party is now under intense scrutiny.
Thats not the reason Tim its so i know who is pro & anti British. Lets be honest also Tim UKIP have been slighted many times by others as with the recent times article that was trashed within hours of publication.
[quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Is it possible to find out who abstained & who voted against please Bolton News would be nice to know as it tells the electorate what they need to know.[/p][/quote]It is, but you'll have to ask for the minutes - though I'm reliably informed - eyes left! Though if you're thinking of using the information to "shame" certain Councillors, I'd think long and hard purely on the basis that your party is now under intense scrutiny.[/p][/quote]Thats not the reason Tim its so i know who is pro & anti British. Lets be honest also Tim UKIP have been slighted many times by others as with the recent times article that was trashed within hours of publication. thomas222
  • Score: 8

2:58pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Tim Burr says...

As I said Tom - now they're the one's under scrutiny, learn to live with it or I'll be forced to thrash you (again) over 18 holes and make you buy the drinks.
As I said Tom - now they're the one's under scrutiny, learn to live with it or I'll be forced to thrash you (again) over 18 holes and make you buy the drinks. Tim Burr
  • Score: 4

3:04pm Thu 17 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

Tim Burr wrote:
As I said Tom - now they're the one's under scrutiny, learn to live with it or I'll be forced to thrash you (again) over 18 holes and make you buy the drinks.
Sounds Good.
[quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: As I said Tom - now they're the one's under scrutiny, learn to live with it or I'll be forced to thrash you (again) over 18 holes and make you buy the drinks.[/p][/quote]Sounds Good. thomas222
  • Score: 4

3:09pm Thu 17 Apr 14

RationalBoltonian says...

This is ridiculous, Patriotism is something that grows on it's own through love and pride for the country we live in, not something that is mandated from a young age.

Other than the fact that this has only come up with the elections drawing near, the main reason for this is due to the poor state of the country and how a lot of people, myself included are disgusted with the countries actions and direction the last decade or so, we are supposed to demonise the poor while ignoring expenses scandal after expenses scandal, illegal wars and hypocritical governments who only promise change and improvement with elections coming close then spend 4 years working towards the exact opposite.

Who would be proud of such a country? Only someone who has been brought up from a young age to salute a flag and in a way deify the country.

As for revealing who voted against, that is illegal and asking for that is asking for long held British traditions to be removed (how very patriotic of you all). Though I agree that those who abstained from voting should be outed as they have been voted into that position by the people to express the peoples views, they are not doing their jobs as elected and should be removed from office.
This is ridiculous, Patriotism is something that grows on it's own through love and pride for the country we live in, not something that is mandated from a young age. Other than the fact that this has only come up with the elections drawing near, the main reason for this is due to the poor state of the country and how a lot of people, myself included are disgusted with the countries actions and direction the last decade or so, we are supposed to demonise the poor while ignoring expenses scandal after expenses scandal, illegal wars and hypocritical governments who only promise change and improvement with elections coming close then spend 4 years working towards the exact opposite. Who would be proud of such a country? Only someone who has been brought up from a young age to salute a flag and in a way deify the country. As for revealing who voted against, that is illegal and asking for that is asking for long held British traditions to be removed (how very patriotic of you all). Though I agree that those who abstained from voting should be outed as they have been voted into that position by the people to express the peoples views, they are not doing their jobs as elected and should be removed from office. RationalBoltonian
  • Score: -1

3:15pm Thu 17 Apr 14

holloway_david says...

holloway_david wrote:
For those that talk of the flag as politically incorrect in multi racial terms, they need to remember who was here first.
PS. Why is our flag an insult in the above terms; its the British flag, Elizabeth is our queen. Those that live here, work here, and get benefits here should appreciate British heritage and stop bringing up race and religion as an excuse for argument.
[quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: For those that talk of the flag as politically incorrect in multi racial terms, they need to remember who was here first.[/p][/quote]PS. Why is our flag an insult in the above terms; its the British flag, Elizabeth is our queen. Those that live here, work here, and get benefits here should appreciate British heritage and stop bringing up race and religion as an excuse for argument. holloway_david
  • Score: 8

3:21pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Niccii says...

The Righteous ones trolls are out in force thomas222.
The Righteous ones trolls are out in force thomas222. Niccii
  • Score: 6

3:23pm Thu 17 Apr 14

holloway_david says...

Jim271 wrote:
What happens if a child refuses to sing the song?

A child was once suspended for refusing to pray to ALLAH.

After September they will have to take the blue off anyway.

If anything this is going to promote UKIP more than ever, shoot yourself in the foot.
Immigration Boogie.
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: What happens if a child refuses to sing the song? A child was once suspended for refusing to pray to ALLAH. After September they will have to take the blue off anyway. If anything this is going to promote UKIP more than ever, shoot yourself in the foot.[/p][/quote]Immigration Boogie. holloway_david
  • Score: -5

3:30pm Thu 17 Apr 14

RationalBoltonian says...

Wouldn't it be a far smarter idea to wait until after the Scottish independence voting is over and done with, no point buying a load of flags for all the schools in Bolton to then have to buy whole new ones if Scotland votes out of the union.

A good way to waste money in the meantime though I suppose, anything's better than creating jobs or injecting some money into council services to keep the streets clean and rubbish bins emptied, right?
Wouldn't it be a far smarter idea to wait until after the Scottish independence voting is over and done with, no point buying a load of flags for all the schools in Bolton to then have to buy whole new ones if Scotland votes out of the union. A good way to waste money in the meantime though I suppose, anything's better than creating jobs or injecting some money into council services to keep the streets clean and rubbish bins emptied, right? RationalBoltonian
  • Score: 0

3:32pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Tim Burr says...

"As for revealing who voted against, that is illegal".
Under which Law?
"As for revealing who voted against, that is illegal". Under which Law? Tim Burr
  • Score: 5

3:34pm Thu 17 Apr 14

RationalBoltonian says...

Tim Burr wrote:
"As for revealing who voted against, that is illegal".
Under which Law?
Ballot act 1872.
[quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: "As for revealing who voted against, that is illegal". Under which Law?[/p][/quote]Ballot act 1872. RationalBoltonian
  • Score: 1

3:37pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Tim Burr says...

RationalBoltonian wrote:
Tim Burr wrote:
"As for revealing who voted against, that is illegal".
Under which Law?
Ballot act 1872.
Considering that only applies to elections...
[quote][p][bold]RationalBoltonian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: "As for revealing who voted against, that is illegal". Under which Law?[/p][/quote]Ballot act 1872.[/p][/quote]Considering that only applies to elections... Tim Burr
  • Score: 4

3:45pm Thu 17 Apr 14

RationalBoltonian says...

Tim Burr wrote:
RationalBoltonian wrote:
Tim Burr wrote:
"As for revealing who voted against, that is illegal".
Under which Law?
Ballot act 1872.
Considering that only applies to elections...
So parliamentary law should only apply to government elections and not local parliament?

A vote is a vote and the candidates, which in this case are to fly a flag and sing a song or to not, are voted upon by elected bodies under local government proceedings.

The whole reason the law was put in place was to stop corruption in which officials could avoid the abuse and threats to their positions that seems to be wanted here.
[quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RationalBoltonian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: "As for revealing who voted against, that is illegal". Under which Law?[/p][/quote]Ballot act 1872.[/p][/quote]Considering that only applies to elections...[/p][/quote]So parliamentary law should only apply to government elections and not local parliament? A vote is a vote and the candidates, which in this case are to fly a flag and sing a song or to not, are voted upon by elected bodies under local government proceedings. The whole reason the law was put in place was to stop corruption in which officials could avoid the abuse and threats to their positions that seems to be wanted here. RationalBoltonian
  • Score: 1

3:48pm Thu 17 Apr 14

ke1979 says...

holloway_david wrote:
holloway_david wrote: For those that talk of the flag as politically incorrect in multi racial terms, they need to remember who was here first.
PS. Why is our flag an insult in the above terms; its the British flag, Elizabeth is our queen. Those that live here, work here, and get benefits here should appreciate British heritage and stop bringing up race and religion as an excuse for argument.
I thought your first comment was ironic but it seems not.

Who was here first ?
[quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: For those that talk of the flag as politically incorrect in multi racial terms, they need to remember who was here first.[/p][/quote]PS. Why is our flag an insult in the above terms; its the British flag, Elizabeth is our queen. Those that live here, work here, and get benefits here should appreciate British heritage and stop bringing up race and religion as an excuse for argument.[/p][/quote]I thought your first comment was ironic but it seems not. Who was here first ? ke1979
  • Score: 0

3:52pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Tim Burr says...

RationalBoltonian wrote:
Tim Burr wrote:
RationalBoltonian wrote:
Tim Burr wrote:
"As for revealing who voted against, that is illegal".
Under which Law?
Ballot act 1872.
Considering that only applies to elections...
So parliamentary law should only apply to government elections and not local parliament?

A vote is a vote and the candidates, which in this case are to fly a flag and sing a song or to not, are voted upon by elected bodies under local government proceedings.

The whole reason the law was put in place was to stop corruption in which officials could avoid the abuse and threats to their positions that seems to be wanted here.
You're wrong so don't try be clever putting over an argument you clearly don't understand and think you're convincing otherwise - no matter how much you try to bore people into submission.
[quote][p][bold]RationalBoltonian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RationalBoltonian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: "As for revealing who voted against, that is illegal". Under which Law?[/p][/quote]Ballot act 1872.[/p][/quote]Considering that only applies to elections...[/p][/quote]So parliamentary law should only apply to government elections and not local parliament? A vote is a vote and the candidates, which in this case are to fly a flag and sing a song or to not, are voted upon by elected bodies under local government proceedings. The whole reason the law was put in place was to stop corruption in which officials could avoid the abuse and threats to their positions that seems to be wanted here.[/p][/quote]You're wrong so don't try be clever putting over an argument you clearly don't understand and think you're convincing otherwise - no matter how much you try to bore people into submission. Tim Burr
  • Score: 0

3:59pm Thu 17 Apr 14

RationalBoltonian says...

Tim Burr wrote:
RationalBoltonian wrote:
Tim Burr wrote:
RationalBoltonian wrote:
Tim Burr wrote:
"As for revealing who voted against, that is illegal".
Under which Law?
Ballot act 1872.
Considering that only applies to elections...
So parliamentary law should only apply to government elections and not local parliament?

A vote is a vote and the candidates, which in this case are to fly a flag and sing a song or to not, are voted upon by elected bodies under local government proceedings.

The whole reason the law was put in place was to stop corruption in which officials could avoid the abuse and threats to their positions that seems to be wanted here.
You're wrong so don't try be clever putting over an argument you clearly don't understand and think you're convincing otherwise - no matter how much you try to bore people into submission.
Could you "try to be clever" on this one and make a response other than claiming I don't understand my own argument and am clearly wrong without any basis other than you said it.

If debating a topic bores you into submission, may I suggest you don't comment on topics that call for debate?
[quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RationalBoltonian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RationalBoltonian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: "As for revealing who voted against, that is illegal". Under which Law?[/p][/quote]Ballot act 1872.[/p][/quote]Considering that only applies to elections...[/p][/quote]So parliamentary law should only apply to government elections and not local parliament? A vote is a vote and the candidates, which in this case are to fly a flag and sing a song or to not, are voted upon by elected bodies under local government proceedings. The whole reason the law was put in place was to stop corruption in which officials could avoid the abuse and threats to their positions that seems to be wanted here.[/p][/quote]You're wrong so don't try be clever putting over an argument you clearly don't understand and think you're convincing otherwise - no matter how much you try to bore people into submission.[/p][/quote]Could you "try to be clever" on this one and make a response other than claiming I don't understand my own argument and am clearly wrong without any basis other than you said it. If debating a topic bores you into submission, may I suggest you don't comment on topics that call for debate? RationalBoltonian
  • Score: 0

4:04pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Tim Burr says...

You don't know what you're talking about, so how on earth can you (or anybody else) expect a debate on a subject you clearly have no knowledge of?
The simple answer is you can't.
You don't know what you're talking about, so how on earth can you (or anybody else) expect a debate on a subject you clearly have no knowledge of? The simple answer is you can't. Tim Burr
  • Score: 1

4:05pm Thu 17 Apr 14

RationalBoltonian says...

Tim Burr wrote:
You don't know what you're talking about, so how on earth can you (or anybody else) expect a debate on a subject you clearly have no knowledge of?
The simple answer is you can't.
Again, you seem to not understand the term "debate", point out where I have gone wrong other than because you said it, unless that is the entire basis of your claim.
[quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: You don't know what you're talking about, so how on earth can you (or anybody else) expect a debate on a subject you clearly have no knowledge of? The simple answer is you can't.[/p][/quote]Again, you seem to not understand the term "debate", point out where I have gone wrong other than because you said it, unless that is the entire basis of your claim. RationalBoltonian
  • Score: -1

4:06pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Niccii says...

The Ballot Act 1872
In 1872 a Ballot Act was passed that introduced the right for voters to vote in secret during an election away from prying eyes.

Tim wins.
The Ballot Act 1872 In 1872 a Ballot Act was passed that introduced the right for voters to vote in secret during an election away from prying eyes. Tim wins. Niccii
  • Score: 3

4:07pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Bob Shaftoe says...

Thomas222. I see he's really going for it with you by getting rather personal.
As I said yesterday, don't reply to him and he loses the oxygen for his self delusion. Well done.
I respect his opinions on transport, he's usually on the ball, but all this EU crap drives me nuts. I wonder when he gets down to doing any work?
I wouldn't like to be paying his wages........ wait for it!
Thomas222. I see he's really going for it with you by getting rather personal. As I said yesterday, don't reply to him and he loses the oxygen for his self delusion. Well done. I respect his opinions on transport, he's usually on the ball, but all this EU crap drives me nuts. I wonder when he gets down to doing any work? I wouldn't like to be paying his wages........ wait for it! Bob Shaftoe
  • Score: 7

4:15pm Thu 17 Apr 14

xshark says...

An aspect of the British way of life which I thought was universally acclaimed by persons of all political persuasions is the freedom of speech and thought and the right to hold (and vote) for different ideas and concepts. "I do not agree with what you say........." etc, etc.
However, in this thread we have contributors baying for those who voted against this idea to be named because they want to know who is "anti-British". Is an opposition to the force-feeding of propaganda really your idea of what constitutes anti-Britishness?
Flag waving, nationalist songs? Whatever next? Maybe rather than singing the National Anthem, a much more valuable activity would be to hold regular readings of George Orwell’s Animal Farm.
An aspect of the British way of life which I thought was universally acclaimed by persons of all political persuasions is the freedom of speech and thought and the right to hold (and vote) for different ideas and concepts. "I do not agree with what you say........." etc, etc. However, in this thread we have contributors baying for those who voted against this idea to be named because they want to know who is "anti-British". Is an opposition to the force-feeding of propaganda really your idea of what constitutes anti-Britishness? Flag waving, nationalist songs? Whatever next? Maybe rather than singing the National Anthem, a much more valuable activity would be to hold regular readings of George Orwell’s Animal Farm. xshark
  • Score: -1

4:23pm Thu 17 Apr 14

RationalBoltonian says...

Niccii wrote:
The Ballot Act 1872
In 1872 a Ballot Act was passed that introduced the right for voters to vote in secret during an election away from prying eyes.

Tim wins.
So local government is exempted?

I havn't read the entire act but I very much doubt you have either and are taking that statement from a brief summary.

Either way, exposing those who vote against or for an act will only lead to corruption and elected officials abstaining more due to fear of repercussions from opposing parties, if indeed the act doesn't apply to local government votes then it **** well should.

None of this though addresses the actual point of the argument though and this seems to be a side act to avoid the actual points which no-one has really answered.

Mandated patriotism is worthless when compared to natural patriotism grown through pride in one's country.
[quote][p][bold]Niccii[/bold] wrote: The Ballot Act 1872 In 1872 a Ballot Act was passed that introduced the right for voters to vote in secret during an election away from prying eyes. Tim wins.[/p][/quote]So local government is exempted? I havn't read the entire act but I very much doubt you have either and are taking that statement from a brief summary. Either way, exposing those who vote against or for an act will only lead to corruption and elected officials abstaining more due to fear of repercussions from opposing parties, if indeed the act doesn't apply to local government votes then it **** well should. None of this though addresses the actual point of the argument though and this seems to be a side act to avoid the actual points which no-one has really answered. Mandated patriotism is worthless when compared to natural patriotism grown through pride in one's country. RationalBoltonian
  • Score: 0

4:26pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Niccii says...

RationalBoltonian wrote:
Niccii wrote:
The Ballot Act 1872
In 1872 a Ballot Act was passed that introduced the right for voters to vote in secret during an election away from prying eyes.

Tim wins.
So local government is exempted?

I havn't read the entire act but I very much doubt you have either and are taking that statement from a brief summary.

Either way, exposing those who vote against or for an act will only lead to corruption and elected officials abstaining more due to fear of repercussions from opposing parties, if indeed the act doesn't apply to local government votes then it **** well should.

None of this though addresses the actual point of the argument though and this seems to be a side act to avoid the actual points which no-one has really answered.

Mandated patriotism is worthless when compared to natural patriotism grown through pride in one's country.
You do know, you're boring??
[quote][p][bold]RationalBoltonian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Niccii[/bold] wrote: The Ballot Act 1872 In 1872 a Ballot Act was passed that introduced the right for voters to vote in secret during an election away from prying eyes. Tim wins.[/p][/quote]So local government is exempted? I havn't read the entire act but I very much doubt you have either and are taking that statement from a brief summary. Either way, exposing those who vote against or for an act will only lead to corruption and elected officials abstaining more due to fear of repercussions from opposing parties, if indeed the act doesn't apply to local government votes then it **** well should. None of this though addresses the actual point of the argument though and this seems to be a side act to avoid the actual points which no-one has really answered. Mandated patriotism is worthless when compared to natural patriotism grown through pride in one's country.[/p][/quote]You do know, you're boring?? Niccii
  • Score: -15

4:28pm Thu 17 Apr 14

RationalBoltonian says...

Niccii wrote:
RationalBoltonian wrote:
Niccii wrote:
The Ballot Act 1872
In 1872 a Ballot Act was passed that introduced the right for voters to vote in secret during an election away from prying eyes.

Tim wins.
So local government is exempted?

I havn't read the entire act but I very much doubt you have either and are taking that statement from a brief summary.

Either way, exposing those who vote against or for an act will only lead to corruption and elected officials abstaining more due to fear of repercussions from opposing parties, if indeed the act doesn't apply to local government votes then it **** well should.

None of this though addresses the actual point of the argument though and this seems to be a side act to avoid the actual points which no-one has really answered.

Mandated patriotism is worthless when compared to natural patriotism grown through pride in one's country.
You do know, you're boring??
Quite probably, but you do know that's irrelevant?
[quote][p][bold]Niccii[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]RationalBoltonian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Niccii[/bold] wrote: The Ballot Act 1872 In 1872 a Ballot Act was passed that introduced the right for voters to vote in secret during an election away from prying eyes. Tim wins.[/p][/quote]So local government is exempted? I havn't read the entire act but I very much doubt you have either and are taking that statement from a brief summary. Either way, exposing those who vote against or for an act will only lead to corruption and elected officials abstaining more due to fear of repercussions from opposing parties, if indeed the act doesn't apply to local government votes then it **** well should. None of this though addresses the actual point of the argument though and this seems to be a side act to avoid the actual points which no-one has really answered. Mandated patriotism is worthless when compared to natural patriotism grown through pride in one's country.[/p][/quote]You do know, you're boring??[/p][/quote]Quite probably, but you do know that's irrelevant? RationalBoltonian
  • Score: 30

5:00pm Thu 17 Apr 14

the hand says...

Jim271 wrote:
Lets have suggestions for a new National Anthem.

LAND OF HOPE and GLORY (Land of Dope and Tory)

The HOLY CITY

RULE BRITTANIA

MADE IN ENGLAND (Elton John)

suggestions please.
Like your ideA for me it should be Jerusalem or I vow to thee my country God save the queen is a bit dated me thinks and I applaud the councillor for putting forward the motion to fly the flag ignore political agenda s let's get some pride back in this once great nation
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Lets have suggestions for a new National Anthem. LAND OF HOPE and GLORY (Land of Dope and Tory) The HOLY CITY RULE BRITTANIA MADE IN ENGLAND (Elton John) suggestions please.[/p][/quote]Like your ideA for me it should be Jerusalem or I vow to thee my country God save the queen is a bit dated me thinks and I applaud the councillor for putting forward the motion to fly the flag ignore political agenda s let's get some pride back in this once great nation the hand
  • Score: 41

6:09pm Thu 17 Apr 14

BlueRay79 says...

Let's stop bickering and raise our British flags and sing the National Anthem :-D
Let's stop bickering and raise our British flags and sing the National Anthem :-D BlueRay79
  • Score: 34

6:15pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Gore Seer says...

Should It Be National Anthems?.
Should It Be National Anthems?. Gore Seer
  • Score: -46

6:24pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Gore Seer says...

Gore Seer wrote:
Should It Be National Anthems?.
The Flag We Fly For England Is A Norman Flag Not English Or Have I Got It Wrong?.
[quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: Should It Be National Anthems?.[/p][/quote]The Flag We Fly For England Is A Norman Flag Not English Or Have I Got It Wrong?. Gore Seer
  • Score: -35

9:12pm Thu 17 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

Niccii wrote:
The Righteous ones trolls are out in force thomas222.
The loUder they scream the faster we. GO....
[quote][p][bold]Niccii[/bold] wrote: The Righteous ones trolls are out in force thomas222.[/p][/quote]The loUder they scream the faster we. GO.... thomas222
  • Score: 12

9:48pm Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Thomas, do you know the national anthem. I know all 5 verses. Do you?
Thomas, do you know the national anthem. I know all 5 verses. Do you? The Righteous One
  • Score: -75

9:53pm Thu 17 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Thomas, do you know the national anthem. I know all 5 verses. Do you?
Please dont post on my comments i make or when i post on others comments. Thank you.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thomas, do you know the national anthem. I know all 5 verses. Do you?[/p][/quote]Please dont post on my comments i make or when i post on others comments. Thank you. thomas222
  • Score: 22

10:12pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Niccii says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thomas, do you know the national anthem. I know all 5 verses. Do you?
Please dont post on my comments i make or when i post on others comments. Thank you.
He's stalking you Thomas
.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thomas, do you know the national anthem. I know all 5 verses. Do you?[/p][/quote]Please dont post on my comments i make or when i post on others comments. Thank you.[/p][/quote]He's stalking you Thomas . Niccii
  • Score: 3

10:12pm Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

For all those who agree with it I need to ask one thing.

Firstly, do not get me wrong but the National Anthem is one thing we all need to know, all 5 verses, like I do!) But are you sure that singing it everyday or every week bring about National Pride (aka Patriotism)?

Do you like going to work and is every day special, as in it is the most important thing in your life?

Also when you started your job how long was it before the "specialness" became mundane?

Fact is Patriotism cannot be taught or brainwashed!!! It is nurtured. Patriotism cannot be taught. It is from the heart and nowhere else!!!

If schools started singing the national anthem either every day or every year then it becomes part and parcel of doing it and it becomes nothing special! In fact t becomes a mundane process - just like work may be good and special at first but it soon becomes a mundane, everyday thing to do and it loses its effectiveness.

If you ask any American child what patriotic means not one child will ever mention singing the national anthem nor waving the flag will come near the top? Why is that? It is because they sing it either daily or weekly and they are expected, no matter what, to please it. But it has lost its specialness!!!!!

This mat be the reason as to why those who abstained did so. It is not because they are unpatriotic but because the application of being patriotic is wrong!!!

Would you expect the state to tell you what is patriotic and how you should celebrate being patriotic, or should it be about what YOU believe as to what is patriotic or not!

The best example of this is between Thomas222 and I! I believe being patriotic is from the heart and celebrate everything that is British whether you believe in the politics or not. But look at the last few year. The Commonwealth Games in 2002, Queens Mothers death, the Royal Wedding, the Olympics, The Queens Jubilee, The Royal Birth and coming this year the World Cup and The Commonwealth Games in Glasgow - l tis to be more than patriotic and it makes it very special - for me that is what being patriot is all about - as well as celebrating the soldiers who make it home,, or don't, from the various conflicts across the world, whether you believe in the politics are not of being in the war!!!

But Thomas222 wants patriotism to include anything that the governments want it to be!!!! From the smallest thing you do to celebrating every little thing the Government does!!! Whether it is correct or not!!!

Neither of us are wrong as it is down to perception, but of the two which would lose the "specialness" more quickly than the other? I believe that Thomas222's perception of being patriotic would lose its specialness and become "mundane" very very quickly a people would become bored of singing the anthem and waving the flag and would soon see it as a chore and soon become bored of being patriotic. Whereas I believe making it special and on special occasions makes being patriotic something very special and people will believe they are being patriotic and believe that they support their own country and won't lose interest.

Again this is my own personal view but I do believe if we made it a ritual people would soon bore of it and lose interest whereas using t for special occasions makes people feel that they are pat of this country and feel good about themselves!!!
For all those who agree with it I need to ask one thing. Firstly, do not get me wrong but the National Anthem is one thing we all need to know, all 5 verses, like I do!) But are you sure that singing it everyday or every week bring about National Pride (aka Patriotism)? Do you like going to work and is every day special, as in it is the most important thing in your life? Also when you started your job how long was it before the "specialness" became mundane? Fact is Patriotism cannot be taught or brainwashed!!! It is nurtured. Patriotism cannot be taught. It is from the heart and nowhere else!!! If schools started singing the national anthem either every day or every year then it becomes part and parcel of doing it and it becomes nothing special! In fact t becomes a mundane process - just like work may be good and special at first but it soon becomes a mundane, everyday thing to do and it loses its effectiveness. If you ask any American child what patriotic means not one child will ever mention singing the national anthem nor waving the flag will come near the top? Why is that? It is because they sing it either daily or weekly and they are expected, no matter what, to please it. But it has lost its specialness!!!!! This mat be the reason as to why those who abstained did so. It is not because they are unpatriotic but because the application of being patriotic is wrong!!! Would you expect the state to tell you what is patriotic and how you should celebrate being patriotic, or should it be about what YOU believe as to what is patriotic or not! The best example of this is between Thomas222 and I! I believe being patriotic is from the heart and celebrate everything that is British whether you believe in the politics or not. But look at the last few year. The Commonwealth Games in 2002, Queens Mothers death, the Royal Wedding, the Olympics, The Queens Jubilee, The Royal Birth and coming this year the World Cup and The Commonwealth Games in Glasgow - l tis to be more than patriotic and it makes it very special - for me that is what being patriot is all about - as well as celebrating the soldiers who make it home,, or don't, from the various conflicts across the world, whether you believe in the politics are not of being in the war!!! But Thomas222 wants patriotism to include anything that the governments want it to be!!!! From the smallest thing you do to celebrating every little thing the Government does!!! Whether it is correct or not!!! Neither of us are wrong as it is down to perception, but of the two which would lose the "specialness" more quickly than the other? I believe that Thomas222's perception of being patriotic would lose its specialness and become "mundane" very very quickly a people would become bored of singing the anthem and waving the flag and would soon see it as a chore and soon become bored of being patriotic. Whereas I believe making it special and on special occasions makes being patriotic something very special and people will believe they are being patriotic and believe that they support their own country and won't lose interest. Again this is my own personal view but I do believe if we made it a ritual people would soon bore of it and lose interest whereas using t for special occasions makes people feel that they are pat of this country and feel good about themselves!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -45

10:13pm Thu 17 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

Gore Seer wrote:
Gore Seer wrote:
Should It Be National Anthems?.
The Flag We Fly For England Is A Norman Flag Not English Or Have I Got It Wrong?.
Gore that was then this is now. 4 Million new arrivals in 15 yrs is more than the total by far from the People who came here from all over the world after the ice age who wanted to be here & made this Country what it is. Today they do not, they want what they had in the places they escaped from. Our hospitality here has been abused & used. People are waking up to this fact & thats why people all over the EU are rising up except the skint Countries who love it because them living on us is better than them. I am not racist i want it controlled better. You can only have the people with you if thats what they want. They dont want this as a large % of this Country is now showing.
[quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: Should It Be National Anthems?.[/p][/quote]The Flag We Fly For England Is A Norman Flag Not English Or Have I Got It Wrong?.[/p][/quote]Gore that was then this is now. 4 Million new arrivals in 15 yrs is more than the total by far from the People who came here from all over the world after the ice age who wanted to be here & made this Country what it is. Today they do not, they want what they had in the places they escaped from. Our hospitality here has been abused & used. People are waking up to this fact & thats why people all over the EU are rising up except the skint Countries who love it because them living on us is better than them. I am not racist i want it controlled better. You can only have the people with you if thats what they want. They dont want this as a large % of this Country is now showing. thomas222
  • Score: 6

10:16pm Thu 17 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

Niccii wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thomas, do you know the national anthem. I know all 5 verses. Do you?
Please dont post on my comments i make or when i post on others comments. Thank you.
He's stalking you Thomas
.
He Niccii is a Not Right.
[quote][p][bold]Niccii[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thomas, do you know the national anthem. I know all 5 verses. Do you?[/p][/quote]Please dont post on my comments i make or when i post on others comments. Thank you.[/p][/quote]He's stalking you Thomas .[/p][/quote]He Niccii is a Not Right. thomas222
  • Score: 7

10:19pm Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
Gore Seer wrote:
Gore Seer wrote:
Should It Be National Anthems?.
The Flag We Fly For England Is A Norman Flag Not English Or Have I Got It Wrong?.
Gore that was then this is now. 4 Million new arrivals in 15 yrs is more than the total by far from the People who came here from all over the world after the ice age who wanted to be here & made this Country what it is. Today they do not, they want what they had in the places they escaped from. Our hospitality here has been abused & used. People are waking up to this fact & thats why people all over the EU are rising up except the skint Countries who love it because them living on us is better than them. I am not racist i want it controlled better. You can only have the people with you if thats what they want. They dont want this as a large % of this Country is now showing.
million arrivals - but how many are BRITISH?

lets not forget that thee people moving into the U also includes ex-pats who are moving back!!

For instance in last year figures I am one of the people who migrated to the UK and yet I am English!!!!!

But lets get this into perspective....

From the EU countries there are only 2 million migrant workers who moved here. But from non EU countries there are over 7 million!!!!!!!!

And yet it is the people from the EU who get the brunt of all the abuse - but they are in the minority of those who actually move here!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: Should It Be National Anthems?.[/p][/quote]The Flag We Fly For England Is A Norman Flag Not English Or Have I Got It Wrong?.[/p][/quote]Gore that was then this is now. 4 Million new arrivals in 15 yrs is more than the total by far from the People who came here from all over the world after the ice age who wanted to be here & made this Country what it is. Today they do not, they want what they had in the places they escaped from. Our hospitality here has been abused & used. People are waking up to this fact & thats why people all over the EU are rising up except the skint Countries who love it because them living on us is better than them. I am not racist i want it controlled better. You can only have the people with you if thats what they want. They dont want this as a large % of this Country is now showing.[/p][/quote]million arrivals - but how many are BRITISH? lets not forget that thee people moving into the U also includes ex-pats who are moving back!! For instance in last year figures I am one of the people who migrated to the UK and yet I am English!!!!! But lets get this into perspective.... From the EU countries there are only 2 million migrant workers who moved here. But from non EU countries there are over 7 million!!!!!!!! And yet it is the people from the EU who get the brunt of all the abuse - but they are in the minority of those who actually move here!!!!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -24

10:24pm Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
Niccii wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thomas, do you know the national anthem. I know all 5 verses. Do you?
Please dont post on my comments i make or when i post on others comments. Thank you.
He's stalking you Thomas
.
He Niccii is a Not Right.
well it seems neither you nor Nicci know all 5 verses of the National Anthem and you both of you call me a traitor!!!!

As it is, according to both of your reasoning I am actually a great ambassador of being a patriot whilst both of you fail miserably!!!

Also Thomas, you may wish for me not to post on YOUR comments but you cannot stop me under current British Constitution and law - something that you want rid of!!! - now how patriotic is that of you that you want rid of something that is very BRITISH!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Niccii[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thomas, do you know the national anthem. I know all 5 verses. Do you?[/p][/quote]Please dont post on my comments i make or when i post on others comments. Thank you.[/p][/quote]He's stalking you Thomas .[/p][/quote]He Niccii is a Not Right.[/p][/quote]well it seems neither you nor Nicci know all 5 verses of the National Anthem and you both of you call me a traitor!!!! As it is, according to both of your reasoning I am actually a great ambassador of being a patriot whilst both of you fail miserably!!! Also Thomas, you may wish for me not to post on YOUR comments but you cannot stop me under current British Constitution and law - something that you want rid of!!! - now how patriotic is that of you that you want rid of something that is very BRITISH!!!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -29

10:30pm Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Thomas Ryder of all the figures you keep quoting of the number of people that come into the country can you clarify how many of those figures are British moving back to the UK?

Lets not forget that the figures of those moving back into the UK also includes the numbers of ex-pats moving back home!!!!!
Thomas Ryder of all the figures you keep quoting of the number of people that come into the country can you clarify how many of those figures are British moving back to the UK? Lets not forget that the figures of those moving back into the UK also includes the numbers of ex-pats moving back home!!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -37

10:34pm Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Lets put it this way a thumbs down means you are NOT patriotic whilst a thumbs up means you are patriotic!!!


The choice is yours.



If the total means that the thumbs down is greater than the thumbs up it means that Thomas222 will resign from this website and will resign as spokesperson for the Bolton branch of UKIP!


In other words, Thomas222, goodbye!!!!
Lets put it this way a thumbs down means you are NOT patriotic whilst a thumbs up means you are patriotic!!! The choice is yours. If the total means that the thumbs down is greater than the thumbs up it means that Thomas222 will resign from this website and will resign as spokesperson for the Bolton branch of UKIP! In other words, Thomas222, goodbye!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -28

10:41pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Paralipsis says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Lets put it this way a thumbs down means you are NOT patriotic whilst a thumbs up means you are patriotic!!!


The choice is yours.



If the total means that the thumbs down is greater than the thumbs up it means that Thomas222 will resign from this website and will resign as spokesperson for the Bolton branch of UKIP!


In other words, Thomas222, goodbye!!!!
I think you need to get some professional help.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Lets put it this way a thumbs down means you are NOT patriotic whilst a thumbs up means you are patriotic!!! The choice is yours. If the total means that the thumbs down is greater than the thumbs up it means that Thomas222 will resign from this website and will resign as spokesperson for the Bolton branch of UKIP! In other words, Thomas222, goodbye!!!![/p][/quote]I think you need to get some professional help. Paralipsis
  • Score: 3

10:46pm Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Thomas, do you know the national anthem. I know all 5 verses. Do you?
Thomas,

Do you still believe that the thumbs are not corrupted considering that it is 22.37 and that 82 separate people have given me the thumbs down? Considering that on any normal day it would be respectable if 30 people voted and at this time of the evening 30 would be more than spectacular but in this case it is more than supposedly 80 people.

There again, it does help when YOU put on the UKIP in Bolton facebook page to tell people lo clink into this link fr this thread and mark down everything I post and mark up everything your post - as you have done - considering that more than 75% of the people linked to UKIP in Bolton facebook page are not actually from Bolton or even linked to Bolton!!!

s this YOUR form of democracy? Which flies in the face of British tradition and flies in the face of true politics. Is this your version of politics - agree or be damned with the thumbs down!!!

If it isn't you, then are you embarrassed by those who think they are doing you a good turn, when in fact they are **** in the wind of democracy and don't believe in democracy nor freedom to express differing of opinion?

If you are a true British patriot then you would want these people NOT to vote and have a good debate and let people think for themselves rather than being told what to do!!!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thomas, do you know the national anthem. I know all 5 verses. Do you?[/p][/quote]Thomas, Do you still believe that the thumbs are not corrupted considering that it is 22.37 and that 82 separate people have given me the thumbs down? Considering that on any normal day it would be respectable if 30 people voted and at this time of the evening 30 would be more than spectacular but in this case it is more than supposedly 80 people. There again, it does help when YOU put on the UKIP in Bolton facebook page to tell people lo clink into this link fr this thread and mark down everything I post and mark up everything your post - as you have done - considering that more than 75% of the people linked to UKIP in Bolton facebook page are not actually from Bolton or even linked to Bolton!!! s this YOUR form of democracy? Which flies in the face of British tradition and flies in the face of true politics. Is this your version of politics - agree or be damned with the thumbs down!!! If it isn't you, then are you embarrassed by those who think they are doing you a good turn, when in fact they are **** in the wind of democracy and don't believe in democracy nor freedom to express differing of opinion? If you are a true British patriot then you would want these people NOT to vote and have a good debate and let people think for themselves rather than being told what to do!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -30

10:49pm Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Paralipsis wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Lets put it this way a thumbs down means you are NOT patriotic whilst a thumbs up means you are patriotic!!!


The choice is yours.



If the total means that the thumbs down is greater than the thumbs up it means that Thomas222 will resign from this website and will resign as spokesperson for the Bolton branch of UKIP!


In other words, Thomas222, goodbye!!!!
I think you need to get some professional help.
I don't need help - fact is I am upholding the true British democracy, whilst Thomas222, aka Thomas Ryder, believes in bully boy tactics and doesn't want true democracy and believe that people should be told how to vote rather than letting people think for themselves!!!!

Is that very patriotic or is that domineering off the electorate?
[quote][p][bold]Paralipsis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Lets put it this way a thumbs down means you are NOT patriotic whilst a thumbs up means you are patriotic!!! The choice is yours. If the total means that the thumbs down is greater than the thumbs up it means that Thomas222 will resign from this website and will resign as spokesperson for the Bolton branch of UKIP! In other words, Thomas222, goodbye!!!![/p][/quote]I think you need to get some professional help.[/p][/quote]I don't need help - fact is I am upholding the true British democracy, whilst Thomas222, aka Thomas Ryder, believes in bully boy tactics and doesn't want true democracy and believe that people should be told how to vote rather than letting people think for themselves!!!! Is that very patriotic or is that domineering off the electorate? The Righteous One
  • Score: -31

10:52pm Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

xshark wrote:
An aspect of the British way of life which I thought was universally acclaimed by persons of all political persuasions is the freedom of speech and thought and the right to hold (and vote) for different ideas and concepts. "I do not agree with what you say........." etc, etc.
However, in this thread we have contributors baying for those who voted against this idea to be named because they want to know who is "anti-British". Is an opposition to the force-feeding of propaganda really your idea of what constitutes anti-Britishness?
Flag waving, nationalist songs? Whatever next? Maybe rather than singing the National Anthem, a much more valuable activity would be to hold regular readings of George Orwell’s Animal Farm.
Well said!!!!!

Democracy or totalitarism?

Choice is yours!!!!

Freedom of thought or be told what to think!!!
[quote][p][bold]xshark[/bold] wrote: An aspect of the British way of life which I thought was universally acclaimed by persons of all political persuasions is the freedom of speech and thought and the right to hold (and vote) for different ideas and concepts. "I do not agree with what you say........." etc, etc. However, in this thread we have contributors baying for those who voted against this idea to be named because they want to know who is "anti-British". Is an opposition to the force-feeding of propaganda really your idea of what constitutes anti-Britishness? Flag waving, nationalist songs? Whatever next? Maybe rather than singing the National Anthem, a much more valuable activity would be to hold regular readings of George Orwell’s Animal Farm.[/p][/quote]Well said!!!!! Democracy or totalitarism? Choice is yours!!!! Freedom of thought or be told what to think!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -24

10:55pm Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thomas, do you know the national anthem. I know all 5 verses. Do you?
Please dont post on my comments i make or when i post on others comments. Thank you.
Did I post on your comment or did you post on my comment????


It seems you don't even know what you are doing as I never actually posted on a comment of yours but actually created a new totally independent post!!!

Not only a liar but you are also a fantasist!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thomas, do you know the national anthem. I know all 5 verses. Do you?[/p][/quote]Please dont post on my comments i make or when i post on others comments. Thank you.[/p][/quote]Did I post on your comment or did you post on my comment???? It seems you don't even know what you are doing as I never actually posted on a comment of yours but actually created a new totally independent post!!! Not only a liar but you are also a fantasist!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -32

10:58pm Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Tim Burr wrote:
"As for revealing who voted against, that is illegal".
Under which Law?
talk bout being ignorant of British law and yet you expect people to think you are patriotic!!!!!!!

You have no idea of the history, constitution nor laws!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: "As for revealing who voted against, that is illegal". Under which Law?[/p][/quote]talk bout being ignorant of British law and yet you expect people to think you are patriotic!!!!!!! You have no idea of the history, constitution nor laws!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -29

11:01pm Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

holloway_david wrote:
holloway_david wrote:
For those that talk of the flag as politically incorrect in multi racial terms, they need to remember who was here first.
PS. Why is our flag an insult in the above terms; its the British flag, Elizabeth is our queen. Those that live here, work here, and get benefits here should appreciate British heritage and stop bringing up race and religion as an excuse for argument.
Well said!!!!
[quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: For those that talk of the flag as politically incorrect in multi racial terms, they need to remember who was here first.[/p][/quote]PS. Why is our flag an insult in the above terms; its the British flag, Elizabeth is our queen. Those that live here, work here, and get benefits here should appreciate British heritage and stop bringing up race and religion as an excuse for argument.[/p][/quote]Well said!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -18

11:04pm Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
Tim Burr wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Is it possible to find out who abstained & who voted against please Bolton News would be nice to know as it tells the electorate what they need to know.
It is, but you'll have to ask for the minutes - though I'm reliably informed - eyes left! Though if you're thinking of using the information to "shame" certain Councillors, I'd think long and hard purely on the basis that your party is now under intense scrutiny.
Thats not the reason Tim its so i know who is pro & anti British. Lets be honest also Tim UKIP have been slighted many times by others as with the recent times article that was trashed within hours of publication.
You mean the expenses scandal (part 2) and yet of it was any other party Farage would be calling the had no matter what!!!

It seem it is a case of do as I say and not as I do attitude again!!!

Isn't that being hypocritical or two faced?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Is it possible to find out who abstained & who voted against please Bolton News would be nice to know as it tells the electorate what they need to know.[/p][/quote]It is, but you'll have to ask for the minutes - though I'm reliably informed - eyes left! Though if you're thinking of using the information to "shame" certain Councillors, I'd think long and hard purely on the basis that your party is now under intense scrutiny.[/p][/quote]Thats not the reason Tim its so i know who is pro & anti British. Lets be honest also Tim UKIP have been slighted many times by others as with the recent times article that was trashed within hours of publication.[/p][/quote]You mean the expenses scandal (part 2) and yet of it was any other party Farage would be calling the had no matter what!!! It seem it is a case of do as I say and not as I do attitude again!!! Isn't that being hypocritical or two faced? The Righteous One
  • Score: -30

11:11pm Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
Lets have suggestions for a new National Anthem.

LAND OF HOPE and GLORY (Land of Dope and Tory)

The HOLY CITY

RULE BRITTANIA

MADE IN ENGLAND (Elton John)

suggestions please.
Wonder if they will put up a EU flag as done by Essex County Council Jim. Just to mention it UKIP Cllrs staged a protest against it.
But it was that only a protest and not being patriotic.

If they wanted to be patriotic they would have replaced the EU flag with St Georges Cross, but they didn't

That says volumes!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Lets have suggestions for a new National Anthem. LAND OF HOPE and GLORY (Land of Dope and Tory) The HOLY CITY RULE BRITTANIA MADE IN ENGLAND (Elton John) suggestions please.[/p][/quote]Wonder if they will put up a EU flag as done by Essex County Council Jim. Just to mention it UKIP Cllrs staged a protest against it.[/p][/quote]But it was that only a protest and not being patriotic. If they wanted to be patriotic they would have replaced the EU flag with St Georges Cross, but they didn't That says volumes!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -25

11:17pm Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Thomas,

You suggest a meet and sort out differences and possibly meet somehwre in the centre

I have given you dates as to when I am free.

Whys haven't you responded?

Are you all mouth and no action? Or is it because you are afraid I could actually change your mind? Or s is it because you are not bothered - you have offered and that's it (basically al mouth and no action again!!!!)

It is now up to you. want to meet and debate or pretend you have the upper hand and think you are superior when in fact democracy is being eroded by you!!!
Thomas, You suggest a meet and sort out differences and possibly meet somehwre in the centre I have given you dates as to when I am free. Whys haven't you responded? Are you all mouth and no action? Or is it because you are afraid I could actually change your mind? Or s is it because you are not bothered - you have offered and that's it (basically al mouth and no action again!!!!) It is now up to you. want to meet and debate or pretend you have the upper hand and think you are superior when in fact democracy is being eroded by you!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -40

11:21pm Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
So they should, pride in this country needs to be brought back.
So what do you think happened at:
2002 Commonwealth Games
The Queen Mothers funeral
The Olympics
The Queens Jubilee
Birth of St George
Murray winning Wimbledon
2 amazing Tour De France wins

And lets not forget the forthcoming:
World Cup
Glasgow Commonwealth Games


and how mighty proud did you feel with William and Kate in both New Zealand and now Australia.

That is patriotism!!! and it makes you feel good inside rather than bitter, like Thomas Ryder (aka Thomas222)
[quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: So they should, pride in this country needs to be brought back.[/p][/quote]So what do you think happened at: 2002 Commonwealth Games The Queen Mothers funeral The Olympics The Queens Jubilee Birth of St George Murray winning Wimbledon 2 amazing Tour De France wins And lets not forget the forthcoming: World Cup Glasgow Commonwealth Games and how mighty proud did you feel with William and Kate in both New Zealand and now Australia. That is patriotism!!! and it makes you feel good inside rather than bitter, like Thomas Ryder (aka Thomas222) The Righteous One
  • Score: -16

11:23pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Toybox says...

Tom would have to be mad to meet you The Righteous One unless he likes dressing up in rubber and being called Sindy that is what you're into to according to the other forum..
Tom would have to be mad to meet you The Righteous One unless he likes dressing up in rubber and being called Sindy that is what you're into to according to the other forum.. Toybox
  • Score: 2

11:29pm Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Toybox wrote:
Tom would have to be mad to meet you The Righteous One unless he likes dressing up in rubber and being called Sindy that is what you're into to according to the other forum..
What other forum? Only other forum I go on is Bolton Nuts which is about Bolton Wanderers (and hoe to the infamous Natasha Whittam) and the perfect replacement for the now closed BN Bolton Wanderers forum!

please expand on what you say or is it a case of say what you want and make it believable to try and make me a laughing stock!!!

guess what Thomas Ryder is already a laughing stock, especially with UKIP HQ considering I have reported him and he continues to believe in his own lies and bigotry!

Either put up or shut up, basically!

If you have any evidence of what you say, share it and make me a laughing stock or stop making up stories!!!


Fact is In know you wont because it is just pure lies!
[quote][p][bold]Toybox[/bold] wrote: Tom would have to be mad to meet you The Righteous One unless he likes dressing up in rubber and being called Sindy that is what you're into to according to the other forum..[/p][/quote]What other forum? Only other forum I go on is Bolton Nuts which is about Bolton Wanderers (and hoe to the infamous Natasha Whittam) and the perfect replacement for the now closed BN Bolton Wanderers forum! please expand on what you say or is it a case of say what you want and make it believable to try and make me a laughing stock!!! guess what Thomas Ryder is already a laughing stock, especially with UKIP HQ considering I have reported him and he continues to believe in his own lies and bigotry! Either put up or shut up, basically! If you have any evidence of what you say, share it and make me a laughing stock or stop making up stories!!! Fact is In know you wont because it is just pure lies! The Righteous One
  • Score: -32

11:33pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Toybox says...

Love your pink lipstick on your profile pic Righteous, did your Mum show you how to put it on.
Love your pink lipstick on your profile pic Righteous, did your Mum show you how to put it on. Toybox
  • Score: 1

11:39pm Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Toybox wrote:
Love your pink lipstick on your profile pic Righteous, did your Mum show you how to put it on.
As I say either share the website or its just proof that you are lying!!

Proof that you are telling the truth and show me up for the person I really am or prof that you are a liar!!!

The choice is yours!

Liar or truth?
[quote][p][bold]Toybox[/bold] wrote: Love your pink lipstick on your profile pic Righteous, did your Mum show you how to put it on.[/p][/quote]As I say either share the website or its just proof that you are lying!! Proof that you are telling the truth and show me up for the person I really am or prof that you are a liar!!! The choice is yours! Liar or truth? The Righteous One
  • Score: -32

11:43pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Toybox says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Toybox wrote:
Love your pink lipstick on your profile pic Righteous, did your Mum show you how to put it on.
As I say either share the website or its just proof that you are lying!!

Proof that you are telling the truth and show me up for the person I really am or prof that you are a liar!!!

The choice is yours!

Liar or truth?
r u drunk or skunked bro?
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Toybox[/bold] wrote: Love your pink lipstick on your profile pic Righteous, did your Mum show you how to put it on.[/p][/quote]As I say either share the website or its just proof that you are lying!! Proof that you are telling the truth and show me up for the person I really am or prof that you are a liar!!! The choice is yours! Liar or truth?[/p][/quote]r u drunk or skunked bro? Toybox
  • Score: 0

11:48pm Thu 17 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Toybox wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Toybox wrote:
Love your pink lipstick on your profile pic Righteous, did your Mum show you how to put it on.
As I say either share the website or its just proof that you are lying!!

Proof that you are telling the truth and show me up for the person I really am or prof that you are a liar!!!

The choice is yours!

Liar or truth?
r u drunk or skunked bro?
Neither


As I say, show your evidence or this is proof that you are a liar!
[quote][p][bold]Toybox[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Toybox[/bold] wrote: Love your pink lipstick on your profile pic Righteous, did your Mum show you how to put it on.[/p][/quote]As I say either share the website or its just proof that you are lying!! Proof that you are telling the truth and show me up for the person I really am or prof that you are a liar!!! The choice is yours! Liar or truth?[/p][/quote]r u drunk or skunked bro?[/p][/quote]Neither As I say, show your evidence or this is proof that you are a liar! The Righteous One
  • Score: -30

7:56am Fri 18 Apr 14

oldjourno says...

Why do people expect rational debate from bigots, fantasists and ego-trippers. All the 'stupid' comments above do not take the issue one step further. You gave your council the power to decide at the election ballot box. If you don't like their decisions change your vote. No matter how many silly comments are made here they will change nothing. If you think you are the way forward then you are sadly misguided!
Why do people expect rational debate from bigots, fantasists and ego-trippers. All the 'stupid' comments above do not take the issue one step further. You gave your council the power to decide at the election ballot box. If you don't like their decisions change your vote. No matter how many silly comments are made here they will change nothing. If you think you are the way forward then you are sadly misguided! oldjourno
  • Score: -2

8:24am Fri 18 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

oldjourno wrote:
Why do people expect rational debate from bigots, fantasists and ego-trippers. All the 'stupid' comments above do not take the issue one step further. You gave your council the power to decide at the election ballot box. If you don't like their decisions change your vote. No matter how many silly comments are made here they will change nothing. If you think you are the way forward then you are sadly misguided!
You are 100% correct with what you say regarding this but it does not apply to this case as he does not vote for anyone & he says it is his democratic right not to vote. So to complain about a democratic vote result is rather a little rich. As is him wanting a Union with the EU but no Union with our British brothers & Sisters here. Both a contradiction in terms.
[quote][p][bold]oldjourno[/bold] wrote: Why do people expect rational debate from bigots, fantasists and ego-trippers. All the 'stupid' comments above do not take the issue one step further. You gave your council the power to decide at the election ballot box. If you don't like their decisions change your vote. No matter how many silly comments are made here they will change nothing. If you think you are the way forward then you are sadly misguided![/p][/quote]You are 100% correct with what you say regarding this but it does not apply to this case as he does not vote for anyone & he says it is his democratic right not to vote. So to complain about a democratic vote result is rather a little rich. As is him wanting a Union with the EU but no Union with our British brothers & Sisters here. Both a contradiction in terms. thomas222
  • Score: 0

9:21am Fri 18 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
oldjourno wrote:
Why do people expect rational debate from bigots, fantasists and ego-trippers. All the 'stupid' comments above do not take the issue one step further. You gave your council the power to decide at the election ballot box. If you don't like their decisions change your vote. No matter how many silly comments are made here they will change nothing. If you think you are the way forward then you are sadly misguided!
You are 100% correct with what you say regarding this but it does not apply to this case as he does not vote for anyone & he says it is his democratic right not to vote. So to complain about a democratic vote result is rather a little rich. As is him wanting a Union with the EU but no Union with our British brothers & Sisters here. Both a contradiction in terms.
That is where YOU fail yet again to grasp what democracy is all about.

People have the right to vote or not

People have the right to express themselves, or not (within reason and laws)

Neither of the two, under the British constitution are linked and as such if one doesn't vote they still have a voice!!!!



Fact: Yes I have said I do not vote for parties that I do not agree with which is not the same as I do not vote!!! If there was a party that I could majorly agree with then I will vote for the party (something that I have always said and something you have taken and twisted to say that I do not vote!!!!!). Why should I vote for a party just for voting sake - it would be spoiling my franchise and more importantly it would be going against my own political beliefs! So point 1 - you have lied about me!

Whether they vote or not doesn't mean anything just as long as democracy is upheld.

Can you tell me anywhere in this thread that I have moaned about the result of the democratic vote in the Council Chambers? Fact is I haven't, all I have done is expressed my opinion as to why it wasn't required and as to the impracalities of such as a result of the vote!!! Point 2 - you have lied about me, again!!!

Fact is if you look at my post from 1.35pm yesterday and the first sentence you will se that I say that I "uphold the vote"!!!!!


Also you say I am wanting a union with EU but not with or "brothers and sisters" in Britian. Errr no I have never said that, what I have said is that I want a vote about being part of the United Kingdom and I was never given the vote and just assumed that I want to be. Therefore for the third time in that one post of your you have lied about me.

What about the Scottish who actually have the vote as to whether to stay, or not, part of the United Kingdom, whilst they want to be part of the EU! Therefore are you suggesting that these Scots, or should I say our "British bothers and Sisters" are unpatriotic? It seems to be you are cherry-picking at what is deemed acceptable for being a patriotic and upholding the democracy!!!

Finally it was a democratic vote with regards to whether the Council should advise schools to sing the anthem and fly the flag - you say I did not vote in it. Did you? From what I know about the Council Meeting votes the vote is only open to the councillors and as such neither of us voted. Therefore your suggestion that I can moan about the result is just the same as you wanting to praise the result as it is null and void because you didn't vote for it!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oldjourno[/bold] wrote: Why do people expect rational debate from bigots, fantasists and ego-trippers. All the 'stupid' comments above do not take the issue one step further. You gave your council the power to decide at the election ballot box. If you don't like their decisions change your vote. No matter how many silly comments are made here they will change nothing. If you think you are the way forward then you are sadly misguided![/p][/quote]You are 100% correct with what you say regarding this but it does not apply to this case as he does not vote for anyone & he says it is his democratic right not to vote. So to complain about a democratic vote result is rather a little rich. As is him wanting a Union with the EU but no Union with our British brothers & Sisters here. Both a contradiction in terms.[/p][/quote]That is where YOU fail yet again to grasp what democracy is all about. People have the right to vote or not People have the right to express themselves, or not (within reason and laws) Neither of the two, under the British constitution are linked and as such if one doesn't vote they still have a voice!!!! Fact: Yes I have said I do not vote for parties that I do not agree with which is not the same as I do not vote!!! If there was a party that I could majorly agree with then I will vote for the party (something that I have always said and something you have taken and twisted to say that I do not vote!!!!!). Why should I vote for a party just for voting sake - it would be spoiling my franchise and more importantly it would be going against my own political beliefs! So point 1 - you have lied about me! Whether they vote or not doesn't mean anything just as long as democracy is upheld. Can you tell me anywhere in this thread that I have moaned about the result of the democratic vote in the Council Chambers? Fact is I haven't, all I have done is expressed my opinion as to why it wasn't required and as to the impracalities of such as a result of the vote!!! Point 2 - you have lied about me, again!!! Fact is if you look at my post from 1.35pm yesterday and the first sentence you will se that I say that I "uphold the vote"!!!!! Also you say I am wanting a union with EU but not with or "brothers and sisters" in Britian. Errr no I have never said that, what I have said is that I want a vote about being part of the United Kingdom and I was never given the vote and just assumed that I want to be. Therefore for the third time in that one post of your you have lied about me. What about the Scottish who actually have the vote as to whether to stay, or not, part of the United Kingdom, whilst they want to be part of the EU! Therefore are you suggesting that these Scots, or should I say our "British bothers and Sisters" are unpatriotic? It seems to be you are cherry-picking at what is deemed acceptable for being a patriotic and upholding the democracy!!! Finally it was a democratic vote with regards to whether the Council should advise schools to sing the anthem and fly the flag - you say I did not vote in it. Did you? From what I know about the Council Meeting votes the vote is only open to the councillors and as such neither of us voted. Therefore your suggestion that I can moan about the result is just the same as you wanting to praise the result as it is null and void because you didn't vote for it!!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -35

9:33am Fri 18 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

Google ....Amjad Bashir - my values are British. This is what all Immigrants should be like. Patriot & respectful for what this Country has offered to his & many other Family,s making a new life here.
Google ....Amjad Bashir - my values are British. This is what all Immigrants should be like. Patriot & respectful for what this Country has offered to his & many other Family,s making a new life here. thomas222
  • Score: 20

9:43am Fri 18 Apr 14

frankandbill says...

So let's get this right. Councillors have voted to "encourage" the singing of the National Anthem and flying the flag in Bolton Schools…in the hope that these ideas will promote a sense of patriotism, community, shared values etc etc.

Is it just me or is this just deluded nonsense.

How thick must Cllr Mudasir Dean be to imagine he can magic a sense of patriotism by "encouraging" patriotic singing and flag waving. Maybe he should look at bit deeper into the causes of community breakdown. Maybe not everyone believes in a sense of national pride? Maybe we're not that thick to buy into a narrow "one nation" view of the world?

And what about those that object? What about the head teachers who face opposition to this from their teaching staff? That puts the head teacher in a bit of a dilemma for sure. Do those that object simply have to toe the line regardless of any cultural, moral or political concerns?

And what about those pupils and parents that want none of it? Who don't want their children indoctrinated by nationalistic dogma? Who object to the very idea of patriotism - perhaps due to the fact that, in the not too distant past, their communities we're viciously oppressed by men waving the Union Jack?

Are they to be forced to wave flags they would rather burn, or sing a song they would rather see consigned to the dustbin of history? What about those, like me, who believe monarchy is an outdated, pathetic, embarrasing symbol of hereditary rule that should have been wiped off the face of the planet along with Marie Antoinette in 1793?

Do I have to allow my kids to be forced to sing along, happy flappy style, to "god save the queen" when I'd rather encourage them to sing the Internationale?
So let's get this right. Councillors have voted to "encourage" the singing of the National Anthem and flying the flag in Bolton Schools…in the hope that these ideas will promote a sense of patriotism, community, shared values etc etc. Is it just me or is this just deluded nonsense. How thick must Cllr Mudasir Dean be to imagine he can magic a sense of patriotism by "encouraging" patriotic singing and flag waving. Maybe he should look at bit deeper into the causes of community breakdown. Maybe not everyone believes in a sense of national pride? Maybe we're not that thick to buy into a narrow "one nation" view of the world? And what about those that object? What about the head teachers who face opposition to this from their teaching staff? That puts the head teacher in a bit of a dilemma for sure. Do those that object simply have to toe the line regardless of any cultural, moral or political concerns? And what about those pupils and parents that want none of it? Who don't want their children indoctrinated by nationalistic dogma? Who object to the very idea of patriotism - perhaps due to the fact that, in the not too distant past, their communities we're viciously oppressed by men waving the Union Jack? Are they to be forced to wave flags they would rather burn, or sing a song they would rather see consigned to the dustbin of history? What about those, like me, who believe monarchy is an outdated, pathetic, embarrasing symbol of hereditary rule that should have been wiped off the face of the planet along with Marie Antoinette in 1793? Do I have to allow my kids to be forced to sing along, happy flappy style, to "god save the queen" when I'd rather encourage them to sing the Internationale? frankandbill
  • Score: 2

9:48am Fri 18 Apr 14

soup153 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
marco999 wrote:
It is very common to see the stars and stripes flag on peoples homes and in virtually all public places in the US so I can't see a problem with our Union Jack having a more ubiquitous presence here. Let us all be proud of this great country - especially if it is your new home.
Union Jack - I didn't realised you lived on a boat!!!!

Union Flag is for on land
Union Jack is for on the water

Yes I know we can supposedly interchange the sues but the traditional meanings that count!!!!


Anyway why have a flag flying in our country when it rains more than it dry and would be flying in the wind as it would get tangled up on the sight blow of the wind - it would just look very unsightly!!!!

If anything the US overuse their flag and anthem and it is nothing special nowadays - they even sing it as the end of theatre productions etc etc etc and many now view it as not essentially patriotic, just normal run of the mill, i.e.nothing special!!! Yes there was a rise of the use after 11/9 but since then it has become so normal that people are actually getting fed up with it!!

Do we really want our flag and anthem to become a piece of irrelevance?
It is often stated that the Union Flag should only be described as the Union Jack when flown in the bows of a warship, but this is a relatively recent idea. From early in its life the Admiralty itself frequently referred to the flag as the Union Jack, whatever its use, and in 1902 an Admiralty Circular announced that Their Lordships had decided that either name could be used officially. Such use was given Parliamentary approval in 1908 when it was stated that “the Union Jack should be regarded as the National flag”.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marco999[/bold] wrote: It is very common to see the stars and stripes flag on peoples homes and in virtually all public places in the US so I can't see a problem with our Union Jack having a more ubiquitous presence here. Let us all be proud of this great country - especially if it is your new home.[/p][/quote]Union Jack - I didn't realised you lived on a boat!!!! Union Flag is for on land Union Jack is for on the water Yes I know we can supposedly interchange the sues but the traditional meanings that count!!!! Anyway why have a flag flying in our country when it rains more than it dry and would be flying in the wind as it would get tangled up on the sight blow of the wind - it would just look very unsightly!!!! If anything the US overuse their flag and anthem and it is nothing special nowadays - they even sing it as the end of theatre productions etc etc etc and many now view it as not essentially patriotic, just normal run of the mill, i.e.nothing special!!! Yes there was a rise of the use after 11/9 but since then it has become so normal that people are actually getting fed up with it!! Do we really want our flag and anthem to become a piece of irrelevance?[/p][/quote]It is often stated that the Union Flag should only be described as the Union Jack when flown in the bows of a warship, but this is a relatively recent idea. From early in its life the Admiralty itself frequently referred to the flag as the Union Jack, whatever its use, and in 1902 an Admiralty Circular announced that Their Lordships had decided that either name could be used officially. Such use was given Parliamentary approval in 1908 when it was stated that “the Union Jack should be regarded as the National flag”. soup153
  • Score: 0

9:54am Fri 18 Apr 14

soup153 says...

Royalist and Parliamentarians, yee ha bring it on.
Royalist and Parliamentarians, yee ha bring it on. soup153
  • Score: -40

10:19am Fri 18 Apr 14

AKEMPIS says...

All is but vanity. History seems to teach us humans that the only thing nationalism produces is wars. The world is full of false idols and the suffering they cause.
All is but vanity. History seems to teach us humans that the only thing nationalism produces is wars. The world is full of false idols and the suffering they cause. AKEMPIS
  • Score: -43

10:24am Fri 18 Apr 14

Gore Seer says...

thomas222 wrote:
Gore Seer wrote:
Gore Seer wrote:
Should It Be National Anthems?.
The Flag We Fly For England Is A Norman Flag Not English Or Have I Got It Wrong?.
Gore that was then this is now. 4 Million new arrivals in 15 yrs is more than the total by far from the People who came here from all over the world after the ice age who wanted to be here & made this Country what it is. Today they do not, they want what they had in the places they escaped from. Our hospitality here has been abused & used. People are waking up to this fact & thats why people all over the EU are rising up except the skint Countries who love it because them living on us is better than them. I am not racist i want it controlled better. You can only have the people with you if thats what they want. They dont want this as a large % of this Country is now showing.
We Need To Re Design A New Flag, For England To Represent The New England, With Its New Cultures And Remember That There Will probably Be More Harder Working Peoples Coming To Help Are Little Island,So What Better Than A New Flag, And Perhaps These New Grafters Would Like A Chance To Help Design A Flag, I See So Many New Races Around That Who Knows We Might Even Get To Se Martians Coming Doing There Weekly Shopping In Our Fantastic Town Centre Complex With Its Free Parking.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: Should It Be National Anthems?.[/p][/quote]The Flag We Fly For England Is A Norman Flag Not English Or Have I Got It Wrong?.[/p][/quote]Gore that was then this is now. 4 Million new arrivals in 15 yrs is more than the total by far from the People who came here from all over the world after the ice age who wanted to be here & made this Country what it is. Today they do not, they want what they had in the places they escaped from. Our hospitality here has been abused & used. People are waking up to this fact & thats why people all over the EU are rising up except the skint Countries who love it because them living on us is better than them. I am not racist i want it controlled better. You can only have the people with you if thats what they want. They dont want this as a large % of this Country is now showing.[/p][/quote]We Need To Re Design A New Flag, For England To Represent The New England, With Its New Cultures And Remember That There Will probably Be More Harder Working Peoples Coming To Help Are Little Island,So What Better Than A New Flag, And Perhaps These New Grafters Would Like A Chance To Help Design A Flag, I See So Many New Races Around That Who Knows We Might Even Get To Se Martians Coming Doing There Weekly Shopping In Our Fantastic Town Centre Complex With Its Free Parking. Gore Seer
  • Score: -23

10:24am Fri 18 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
Google ....Amjad Bashir - my values are British. This is what all Immigrants should be like. Patriot & respectful for what this Country has offered to his & many other Family,s making a new life here.
What you are talking about is Nationalism and NOT Patriotism!!! The two things are absolutely separate.

If you were interested then there was a discussion about it on The Wright Stuff on Channel 5 (if you are quick enough you can catch it on Channel 5+1 now) and the basically separated it saying what many people think as patriotism is actually nationalism as patriotism comes from nurturing and praising! Whilst nationalism is the indoctrination of what you want (i.e. political)!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Google ....Amjad Bashir - my values are British. This is what all Immigrants should be like. Patriot & respectful for what this Country has offered to his & many other Family,s making a new life here.[/p][/quote]What you are talking about is Nationalism and NOT Patriotism!!! The two things are absolutely separate. If you were interested then there was a discussion about it on The Wright Stuff on Channel 5 (if you are quick enough you can catch it on Channel 5+1 now) and the basically separated it saying what many people think as patriotism is actually nationalism as patriotism comes from nurturing and praising! Whilst nationalism is the indoctrination of what you want (i.e. political)! The Righteous One
  • Score: -29

11:31am Fri 18 Apr 14

AKEMPIS says...

Are you saying that one does not lead to the other? If so, take a good look at the world today and throughout history. It's no good hiding behind words, It's the truth of experience that matters. What you sow you reap. you should be careful what you wish for.
Are you saying that one does not lead to the other? If so, take a good look at the world today and throughout history. It's no good hiding behind words, It's the truth of experience that matters. What you sow you reap. you should be careful what you wish for. AKEMPIS
  • Score: 1

11:44am Fri 18 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

I am very proud of my country what it has achieved and wanting to help in its continued success and always wave the flag for patriotic occasions such as Olympics, Commonwealth Games, Jubilee's and St Georges Day

But my nationalist side says I want my country to succeed and will find any means by it - and at this current moment in time that is through the EU - yes it needs tweaking here and there, but you tell me which Parliament doesn't need tweaking? The EU has given many British opportunity to work and live abroad and go here the jobs are and where the pay is and lifestyle is far superior than here, but what is wrong in wanting to emulate the best bits in this country to make this country even better - that's not being a traitor its about evolving for the better rather than being the "sick man of Europe"
I am very proud of my country what it has achieved and wanting to help in its continued success and always wave the flag for patriotic occasions such as Olympics, Commonwealth Games, Jubilee's and St Georges Day But my nationalist side says I want my country to succeed and will find any means by it - and at this current moment in time that is through the EU - yes it needs tweaking here and there, but you tell me which Parliament doesn't need tweaking? The EU has given many British opportunity to work and live abroad and go here the jobs are and where the pay is and lifestyle is far superior than here, but what is wrong in wanting to emulate the best bits in this country to make this country even better - that's not being a traitor its about evolving for the better rather than being the "sick man of Europe" The Righteous One
  • Score: -33

12:02pm Fri 18 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Lets put it this way a thumbs down means you are NOT patriotic whilst a thumbs up means you are patriotic!!!


The choice is yours.



If the total means that the thumbs down is greater than the thumbs up it means that Thomas222 will resign from this website and will resign as spokesperson for the Bolton branch of UKIP!


In other words, Thomas222, goodbye!!!!
And this post garnered -26 thumbs which means thanks to the democratic way of voting people do not want Thomas222/Thomas Ryder posting in these comments!!!!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Lets put it this way a thumbs down means you are NOT patriotic whilst a thumbs up means you are patriotic!!! The choice is yours. If the total means that the thumbs down is greater than the thumbs up it means that Thomas222 will resign from this website and will resign as spokesperson for the Bolton branch of UKIP! In other words, Thomas222, goodbye!!!![/p][/quote]And this post garnered -26 thumbs which means thanks to the democratic way of voting people do not want Thomas222/Thomas Ryder posting in these comments!!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -41

12:03pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Hulton Park says...

frankandbill wrote:
So let's get this right. Councillors have voted to "encourage" the singing of the National Anthem and flying the flag in Bolton Schools…in the hope that these ideas will promote a sense of patriotism, community, shared values etc etc. Is it just me or is this just deluded nonsense. How thick must Cllr Mudasir Dean be to imagine he can magic a sense of patriotism by "encouraging" patriotic singing and flag waving. Maybe he should look at bit deeper into the causes of community breakdown. Maybe not everyone believes in a sense of national pride? Maybe we're not that thick to buy into a narrow "one nation" view of the world? And what about those that object? What about the head teachers who face opposition to this from their teaching staff? That puts the head teacher in a bit of a dilemma for sure. Do those that object simply have to toe the line regardless of any cultural, moral or political concerns? And what about those pupils and parents that want none of it? Who don't want their children indoctrinated by nationalistic dogma? Who object to the very idea of patriotism - perhaps due to the fact that, in the not too distant past, their communities we're viciously oppressed by men waving the Union Jack? Are they to be forced to wave flags they would rather burn, or sing a song they would rather see consigned to the dustbin of history? What about those, like me, who believe monarchy is an outdated, pathetic, embarrasing symbol of hereditary rule that should have been wiped off the face of the planet along with Marie Antoinette in 1793? Do I have to allow my kids to be forced to sing along, happy flappy style, to "god save the queen" when I'd rather encourage them to sing the Internationale?
Ah yes, the "Internationale" - music-hall joke of a movement that produced one of the most murderous and tyrannical regimes history has ever seen!
[quote][p][bold]frankandbill[/bold] wrote: So let's get this right. Councillors have voted to "encourage" the singing of the National Anthem and flying the flag in Bolton Schools…in the hope that these ideas will promote a sense of patriotism, community, shared values etc etc. Is it just me or is this just deluded nonsense. How thick must Cllr Mudasir Dean be to imagine he can magic a sense of patriotism by "encouraging" patriotic singing and flag waving. Maybe he should look at bit deeper into the causes of community breakdown. Maybe not everyone believes in a sense of national pride? Maybe we're not that thick to buy into a narrow "one nation" view of the world? And what about those that object? What about the head teachers who face opposition to this from their teaching staff? That puts the head teacher in a bit of a dilemma for sure. Do those that object simply have to toe the line regardless of any cultural, moral or political concerns? And what about those pupils and parents that want none of it? Who don't want their children indoctrinated by nationalistic dogma? Who object to the very idea of patriotism - perhaps due to the fact that, in the not too distant past, their communities we're viciously oppressed by men waving the Union Jack? Are they to be forced to wave flags they would rather burn, or sing a song they would rather see consigned to the dustbin of history? What about those, like me, who believe monarchy is an outdated, pathetic, embarrasing symbol of hereditary rule that should have been wiped off the face of the planet along with Marie Antoinette in 1793? Do I have to allow my kids to be forced to sing along, happy flappy style, to "god save the queen" when I'd rather encourage them to sing the Internationale?[/p][/quote]Ah yes, the "Internationale" - music-hall joke of a movement that produced one of the most murderous and tyrannical regimes history has ever seen! Hulton Park
  • Score: 2

12:06pm Fri 18 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,then you win. Mahatma Gandhi.

UKIP are now at the fight you stage & will win in 2020.
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,then you win. Mahatma Gandhi. UKIP are now at the fight you stage & will win in 2020. thomas222
  • Score: 0

12:14pm Fri 18 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,then you win. Mahatma Gandhi.

UKIP are now at the fight you stage & will win in 2020.
LOL that is what BNP said 2 elections ago, that is what The Liberals say at every election!!!!

Total fantasy.

Fact is it will never happen.

Look at the facts - over 130,000 people have stopped being a member of The Conservatives but UKIP membership is only 35,000 - where are the other 95,000 and that's not counting those who have left the Liberals or BNP. Also lets face the fact that The Greens are the fastest growing party this year, so far, and Labour have increased their membership (almost 25% more have joined Labour, this year, than what have joined UKIP!!!)

As I ay, Thomas, you are just a total fantasist!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you,then you win. Mahatma Gandhi. UKIP are now at the fight you stage & will win in 2020.[/p][/quote]LOL that is what BNP said 2 elections ago, that is what The Liberals say at every election!!!! Total fantasy. Fact is it will never happen. Look at the facts - over 130,000 people have stopped being a member of The Conservatives but UKIP membership is only 35,000 - where are the other 95,000 and that's not counting those who have left the Liberals or BNP. Also lets face the fact that The Greens are the fastest growing party this year, so far, and Labour have increased their membership (almost 25% more have joined Labour, this year, than what have joined UKIP!!!) As I ay, Thomas, you are just a total fantasist! The Righteous One
  • Score: -43

2:06pm Fri 18 Apr 14

Thatissowrong says...

This is a serious topic and the ROne is counting thumbs!! FFS stop spoiling the thread.
And in anticipation of your reply: whatever. Got a life to live not like a couple of posters on here.
As for the topic on here, I'm all for the idea as long as it doesn't become compulsory.
This is a serious topic and the ROne is counting thumbs!! FFS stop spoiling the thread. And in anticipation of your reply: whatever. Got a life to live not like a couple of posters on here. As for the topic on here, I'm all for the idea as long as it doesn't become compulsory. Thatissowrong
  • Score: 0

3:55pm Fri 18 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Thatissowrong wrote:
This is a serious topic and the ROne is counting thumbs!! FFS stop spoiling the thread.
And in anticipation of your reply: whatever. Got a life to live not like a couple of posters on here.
As for the topic on here, I'm all for the idea as long as it doesn't become compulsory.
Whatever.
[quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: This is a serious topic and the ROne is counting thumbs!! FFS stop spoiling the thread. And in anticipation of your reply: whatever. Got a life to live not like a couple of posters on here. As for the topic on here, I'm all for the idea as long as it doesn't become compulsory.[/p][/quote]Whatever. The Righteous One
  • Score: -10

4:26pm Fri 18 Apr 14

brian jones says...

The Righteous One wrote:
marco999 wrote:
It is very common to see the stars and stripes flag on peoples homes and in virtually all public places in the US so I can't see a problem with our Union Jack having a more ubiquitous presence here. Let us all be proud of this great country - especially if it is your new home.
Union Jack - I didn't realised you lived on a boat!!!!

Union Flag is for on land
Union Jack is for on the water

Yes I know we can supposedly interchange the sues but the traditional meanings that count!!!!


Anyway why have a flag flying in our country when it rains more than it dry and would be flying in the wind as it would get tangled up on the sight blow of the wind - it would just look very unsightly!!!!

If anything the US overuse their flag and anthem and it is nothing special nowadays - they even sing it as the end of theatre productions etc etc etc and many now view it as not essentially patriotic, just normal run of the mill, i.e.nothing special!!! Yes there was a rise of the use after 11/9 but since then it has become so normal that people are actually getting fed up with it!!

Do we really want our flag and anthem to become a piece of irrelevance?
http://hansard.millb
anksystems.com/lords
/1908/jul/14/the-fly
ing-of-the-union-jac
k

The use of the term Union Jack was passed by the House of Lords in 1908.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marco999[/bold] wrote: It is very common to see the stars and stripes flag on peoples homes and in virtually all public places in the US so I can't see a problem with our Union Jack having a more ubiquitous presence here. Let us all be proud of this great country - especially if it is your new home.[/p][/quote]Union Jack - I didn't realised you lived on a boat!!!! Union Flag is for on land Union Jack is for on the water Yes I know we can supposedly interchange the sues but the traditional meanings that count!!!! Anyway why have a flag flying in our country when it rains more than it dry and would be flying in the wind as it would get tangled up on the sight blow of the wind - it would just look very unsightly!!!! If anything the US overuse their flag and anthem and it is nothing special nowadays - they even sing it as the end of theatre productions etc etc etc and many now view it as not essentially patriotic, just normal run of the mill, i.e.nothing special!!! Yes there was a rise of the use after 11/9 but since then it has become so normal that people are actually getting fed up with it!! Do we really want our flag and anthem to become a piece of irrelevance?[/p][/quote]http://hansard.millb anksystems.com/lords /1908/jul/14/the-fly ing-of-the-union-jac k The use of the term Union Jack was passed by the House of Lords in 1908. brian jones
  • Score: 0

4:38pm Fri 18 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

brian jones wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
marco999 wrote:
It is very common to see the stars and stripes flag on peoples homes and in virtually all public places in the US so I can't see a problem with our Union Jack having a more ubiquitous presence here. Let us all be proud of this great country - especially if it is your new home.
Union Jack - I didn't realised you lived on a boat!!!!

Union Flag is for on land
Union Jack is for on the water

Yes I know we can supposedly interchange the sues but the traditional meanings that count!!!!


Anyway why have a flag flying in our country when it rains more than it dry and would be flying in the wind as it would get tangled up on the sight blow of the wind - it would just look very unsightly!!!!

If anything the US overuse their flag and anthem and it is nothing special nowadays - they even sing it as the end of theatre productions etc etc etc and many now view it as not essentially patriotic, just normal run of the mill, i.e.nothing special!!! Yes there was a rise of the use after 11/9 but since then it has become so normal that people are actually getting fed up with it!!

Do we really want our flag and anthem to become a piece of irrelevance?
http://hansard.millb

anksystems.com/lords

/1908/jul/14/the-fly

ing-of-the-union-jac

k

The use of the term Union Jack was passed by the House of Lords in 1908.
Hence why I said, " Yes I know we can supposedly interchange the sues" albeit with a spelling error!!!
[quote][p][bold]brian jones[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]marco999[/bold] wrote: It is very common to see the stars and stripes flag on peoples homes and in virtually all public places in the US so I can't see a problem with our Union Jack having a more ubiquitous presence here. Let us all be proud of this great country - especially if it is your new home.[/p][/quote]Union Jack - I didn't realised you lived on a boat!!!! Union Flag is for on land Union Jack is for on the water Yes I know we can supposedly interchange the sues but the traditional meanings that count!!!! Anyway why have a flag flying in our country when it rains more than it dry and would be flying in the wind as it would get tangled up on the sight blow of the wind - it would just look very unsightly!!!! If anything the US overuse their flag and anthem and it is nothing special nowadays - they even sing it as the end of theatre productions etc etc etc and many now view it as not essentially patriotic, just normal run of the mill, i.e.nothing special!!! Yes there was a rise of the use after 11/9 but since then it has become so normal that people are actually getting fed up with it!! Do we really want our flag and anthem to become a piece of irrelevance?[/p][/quote]http://hansard.millb anksystems.com/lords /1908/jul/14/the-fly ing-of-the-union-jac k The use of the term Union Jack was passed by the House of Lords in 1908.[/p][/quote]Hence why I said, " Yes I know we can supposedly interchange the sues" albeit with a spelling error!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -24

6:20pm Fri 18 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Tomas Ryder ought to be ashamed of the people who are supposedly support his "tantrum" against me.

If Thomas cannot stand up for himself and requires the help of un-named individuals who do not post and only use the thumbs then shame on him.

If that is not the case then why doesn't Thomas say something to stop it.

But as it is I know for a fact that Thomas has got his "supporters" from UKIP in Bolton facebook page (of which more than 75% are not from Bolton or associated with Bolton) to mark down every post I make and mark up every post he does - and yet Thomas believes in patriotism and democracy!!! What a hypocrite!!!
Tomas Ryder ought to be ashamed of the people who are supposedly support his "tantrum" against me. If Thomas cannot stand up for himself and requires the help of un-named individuals who do not post and only use the thumbs then shame on him. If that is not the case then why doesn't Thomas say something to stop it. But as it is I know for a fact that Thomas has got his "supporters" from UKIP in Bolton facebook page (of which more than 75% are not from Bolton or associated with Bolton) to mark down every post I make and mark up every post he does - and yet Thomas believes in patriotism and democracy!!! What a hypocrite!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -30

10:12pm Fri 18 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Thumbs down = you will never vote UKIP
Thumbs up = you will make sure UKIP all elections they are in

Let the true British Democracy begin - a link will be forward to UKIP at this time tomorrow to show UKIP how people feel about their party!
Thumbs down = you will never vote UKIP Thumbs up = you will make sure UKIP all elections they are in Let the true British Democracy begin - a link will be forward to UKIP at this time tomorrow to show UKIP how people feel about their party! The Righteous One
  • Score: -44

10:29pm Fri 18 Apr 14

holloway_david says...

ke1979 wrote:
holloway_david wrote:
holloway_david wrote: For those that talk of the flag as politically incorrect in multi racial terms, they need to remember who was here first.
PS. Why is our flag an insult in the above terms; its the British flag, Elizabeth is our queen. Those that live here, work here, and get benefits here should appreciate British heritage and stop bringing up race and religion as an excuse for argument.
I thought your first comment was ironic but it seems not.

Who was here first ?
Really!
[quote][p][bold]ke1979[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: For those that talk of the flag as politically incorrect in multi racial terms, they need to remember who was here first.[/p][/quote]PS. Why is our flag an insult in the above terms; its the British flag, Elizabeth is our queen. Those that live here, work here, and get benefits here should appreciate British heritage and stop bringing up race and religion as an excuse for argument.[/p][/quote]I thought your first comment was ironic but it seems not. Who was here first ?[/p][/quote]Really! holloway_david
  • Score: -1

10:43pm Fri 18 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

holloway_david wrote:
ke1979 wrote:
holloway_david wrote:
holloway_david wrote: For those that talk of the flag as politically incorrect in multi racial terms, they need to remember who was here first.
PS. Why is our flag an insult in the above terms; its the British flag, Elizabeth is our queen. Those that live here, work here, and get benefits here should appreciate British heritage and stop bringing up race and religion as an excuse for argument.
I thought your first comment was ironic but it seems not.

Who was here first ?
Really!
So we must be grateful to our pagan fellowes who gave us Easter and Christmas? Whist our British heritage in the monarchy is actually Greek (Greek Orthodox Christinity), Spanish (RC religion), German (RC religion) and even Russian (Russian Orthodox Christianity)! Or is it about Henry VIII breaking away from Roman Catholocism to start up his own Church when the Pope wouldn't let him divorce for a 3rd time (although in those days divorce was allowed in the Roman Catholic Church!!!)

Then lets not forget the migrants that came over from Belgium and Holland and helped the British inhabitants to establish the Industrial Revolution, especially here in Bolton!!!
Or shall we forget about the Protestant Movement that was originated in Bolton, that differs from the CofE which the monarchy supports?

History shows that religion and race does play a major part in the British culture and each evolve to what we, and every European country, has today!!!
[quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ke1979[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: For those that talk of the flag as politically incorrect in multi racial terms, they need to remember who was here first.[/p][/quote]PS. Why is our flag an insult in the above terms; its the British flag, Elizabeth is our queen. Those that live here, work here, and get benefits here should appreciate British heritage and stop bringing up race and religion as an excuse for argument.[/p][/quote]I thought your first comment was ironic but it seems not. Who was here first ?[/p][/quote]Really![/p][/quote]So we must be grateful to our pagan fellowes who gave us Easter and Christmas? Whist our British heritage in the monarchy is actually Greek (Greek Orthodox Christinity), Spanish (RC religion), German (RC religion) and even Russian (Russian Orthodox Christianity)! Or is it about Henry VIII breaking away from Roman Catholocism to start up his own Church when the Pope wouldn't let him divorce for a 3rd time (although in those days divorce was allowed in the Roman Catholic Church!!!) Then lets not forget the migrants that came over from Belgium and Holland and helped the British inhabitants to establish the Industrial Revolution, especially here in Bolton!!! Or shall we forget about the Protestant Movement that was originated in Bolton, that differs from the CofE which the monarchy supports? History shows that religion and race does play a major part in the British culture and each evolve to what we, and every European country, has today!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -33

11:38pm Fri 18 Apr 14

holloway_david says...

oldjourno wrote:
Why do people expect rational debate from bigots, fantasists and ego-trippers. All the 'stupid' comments above do not take the issue one step further. You gave your council the power to decide at the election ballot box. If you don't like their decisions change your vote. No matter how many silly comments are made here they will change nothing. If you think you are the way forward then you are sadly misguided!
Call this debate what you like but do not go insulting the people taking part.
As far as this idea of the flag and anthem is concerned and arguments for or against it should be realised this is about a perceived non acceptance of some immigrants not to accept the laws or culture of this country and I say if they do not, then they should not be here. As far as the current council is concerned I think there will be a lot of vote changing however this will be like throwing the dice and not knowing what you will get; unfortunately we do with this one. .
[quote][p][bold]oldjourno[/bold] wrote: Why do people expect rational debate from bigots, fantasists and ego-trippers. All the 'stupid' comments above do not take the issue one step further. You gave your council the power to decide at the election ballot box. If you don't like their decisions change your vote. No matter how many silly comments are made here they will change nothing. If you think you are the way forward then you are sadly misguided![/p][/quote]Call this debate what you like but do not go insulting the people taking part. As far as this idea of the flag and anthem is concerned and arguments for or against it should be realised this is about a perceived non acceptance of some immigrants not to accept the laws or culture of this country and I say if they do not, then they should not be here. As far as the current council is concerned I think there will be a lot of vote changing however this will be like throwing the dice and not knowing what you will get; unfortunately we do with this one. . holloway_david
  • Score: 1

11:53pm Fri 18 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

holloway_david wrote:
oldjourno wrote:
Why do people expect rational debate from bigots, fantasists and ego-trippers. All the 'stupid' comments above do not take the issue one step further. You gave your council the power to decide at the election ballot box. If you don't like their decisions change your vote. No matter how many silly comments are made here they will change nothing. If you think you are the way forward then you are sadly misguided!
Call this debate what you like but do not go insulting the people taking part.
As far as this idea of the flag and anthem is concerned and arguments for or against it should be realised this is about a perceived non acceptance of some immigrants not to accept the laws or culture of this country and I say if they do not, then they should not be here. As far as the current council is concerned I think there will be a lot of vote changing however this will be like throwing the dice and not knowing what you will get; unfortunately we do with this one. .
But it won't change the council as only 20 of the 60 seats are up for grabs and Labour will still have an overall majority!!
[quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oldjourno[/bold] wrote: Why do people expect rational debate from bigots, fantasists and ego-trippers. All the 'stupid' comments above do not take the issue one step further. You gave your council the power to decide at the election ballot box. If you don't like their decisions change your vote. No matter how many silly comments are made here they will change nothing. If you think you are the way forward then you are sadly misguided![/p][/quote]Call this debate what you like but do not go insulting the people taking part. As far as this idea of the flag and anthem is concerned and arguments for or against it should be realised this is about a perceived non acceptance of some immigrants not to accept the laws or culture of this country and I say if they do not, then they should not be here. As far as the current council is concerned I think there will be a lot of vote changing however this will be like throwing the dice and not knowing what you will get; unfortunately we do with this one. .[/p][/quote]But it won't change the council as only 20 of the 60 seats are up for grabs and Labour will still have an overall majority!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -40

12:15am Sat 19 Apr 14

holloway_david says...

The Righteous One wrote:
holloway_david wrote:
oldjourno wrote:
Why do people expect rational debate from bigots, fantasists and ego-trippers. All the 'stupid' comments above do not take the issue one step further. You gave your council the power to decide at the election ballot box. If you don't like their decisions change your vote. No matter how many silly comments are made here they will change nothing. If you think you are the way forward then you are sadly misguided!
Call this debate what you like but do not go insulting the people taking part.
As far as this idea of the flag and anthem is concerned and arguments for or against it should be realised this is about a perceived non acceptance of some immigrants not to accept the laws or culture of this country and I say if they do not, then they should not be here. As far as the current council is concerned I think there will be a lot of vote changing however this will be like throwing the dice and not knowing what you will get; unfortunately we do with this one. .
But it won't change the council as only 20 of the 60 seats are up for grabs and Labour will still have an overall majority!!
Maybe not but we need to start somewhere.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oldjourno[/bold] wrote: Why do people expect rational debate from bigots, fantasists and ego-trippers. All the 'stupid' comments above do not take the issue one step further. You gave your council the power to decide at the election ballot box. If you don't like their decisions change your vote. No matter how many silly comments are made here they will change nothing. If you think you are the way forward then you are sadly misguided![/p][/quote]Call this debate what you like but do not go insulting the people taking part. As far as this idea of the flag and anthem is concerned and arguments for or against it should be realised this is about a perceived non acceptance of some immigrants not to accept the laws or culture of this country and I say if they do not, then they should not be here. As far as the current council is concerned I think there will be a lot of vote changing however this will be like throwing the dice and not knowing what you will get; unfortunately we do with this one. .[/p][/quote]But it won't change the council as only 20 of the 60 seats are up for grabs and Labour will still have an overall majority!![/p][/quote]Maybe not but we need to start somewhere. holloway_david
  • Score: 3

1:44pm Sat 19 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Thumbs down = you will never vote UKIP
Thumbs up = you will make sure UKIP all elections they are in

Let the true British Democracy begin - a link will be forward to UKIP at this time tomorrow to show UKIP how people feel about their party!
So at 13:40 with just 6.5 hours to go it seems to be a landslide decision in that UKIP are not wanted nor will they be voted for in Bolton considering trough the democratic process of the thumbs system that is used on this website the current score is.......

-44 which means UKIP are not wanted in this wonderful town of ours!!

Isn't democracy wonderful. As I say at 1015pm tonight I will forward this news report to UKIP to advise them to save their money and not to get involved in Bolton, as they have no chance of winning anything.

The people of Bolton have spoken!!!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thumbs down = you will never vote UKIP Thumbs up = you will make sure UKIP all elections they are in Let the true British Democracy begin - a link will be forward to UKIP at this time tomorrow to show UKIP how people feel about their party![/p][/quote]So at 13:40 with just 6.5 hours to go it seems to be a landslide decision in that UKIP are not wanted nor will they be voted for in Bolton considering trough the democratic process of the thumbs system that is used on this website the current score is....... -44 which means UKIP are not wanted in this wonderful town of ours!! Isn't democracy wonderful. As I say at 1015pm tonight I will forward this news report to UKIP to advise them to save their money and not to get involved in Bolton, as they have no chance of winning anything. The people of Bolton have spoken!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -34

10:33pm Sat 19 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Thumbs down = you will never vote UKIP
Thumbs up = you will make sure UKIP all elections they are in

Let the true British Democracy begin - a link will be forward to UKIP at this time tomorrow to show UKIP how people feel about their party!
Just sent email to UKIP HQ advising that Bolton is definitely a losing ground for them, considering out of this democratic vote it has emerged that this post has garnered -75 thumbs!!!!

thus showing people are not willing to vote for UKIP - I put that down to Thomas Ryder with his pungent attitude to not only me but the majority of posters on here who has different ideologies than what he does!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thumbs down = you will never vote UKIP Thumbs up = you will make sure UKIP all elections they are in Let the true British Democracy begin - a link will be forward to UKIP at this time tomorrow to show UKIP how people feel about their party![/p][/quote]Just sent email to UKIP HQ advising that Bolton is definitely a losing ground for them, considering out of this democratic vote it has emerged that this post has garnered -75 thumbs!!!! thus showing people are not willing to vote for UKIP - I put that down to Thomas Ryder with his pungent attitude to not only me but the majority of posters on here who has different ideologies than what he does! The Righteous One
  • Score: -44

8:41am Sun 20 Apr 14

Thatissowrong says...

The Righteous One wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thumbs down = you will never vote UKIP
Thumbs up = you will make sure UKIP all elections they are in

Let the true British Democracy begin - a link will be forward to UKIP at this time tomorrow to show UKIP how people feel about their party!
Just sent email to UKIP HQ advising that Bolton is definitely a losing ground for them, considering out of this democratic vote it has emerged that this post has garnered -75 thumbs!!!!

thus showing people are not willing to vote for UKIP - I put that down to Thomas Ryder with his pungent attitude to not only me but the majority of posters on here who has different ideologies than what he does!
And just how does this add to the topic on this thread RO? Apart from which your obsession with thumbs up/down and immature determination to have the last word is all rather sad. You spoil these forums.
You really do need to get a life.
And to pre-empt whatever insults will inevitable be in your reply, " whatever ".
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thumbs down = you will never vote UKIP Thumbs up = you will make sure UKIP all elections they are in Let the true British Democracy begin - a link will be forward to UKIP at this time tomorrow to show UKIP how people feel about their party![/p][/quote]Just sent email to UKIP HQ advising that Bolton is definitely a losing ground for them, considering out of this democratic vote it has emerged that this post has garnered -75 thumbs!!!! thus showing people are not willing to vote for UKIP - I put that down to Thomas Ryder with his pungent attitude to not only me but the majority of posters on here who has different ideologies than what he does![/p][/quote]And just how does this add to the topic on this thread RO? Apart from which your obsession with thumbs up/down and immature determination to have the last word is all rather sad. You spoil these forums. You really do need to get a life. And to pre-empt whatever insults will inevitable be in your reply, " whatever ". Thatissowrong
  • Score: 1

1:11pm Sun 20 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Thatissowrong wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thumbs down = you will never vote UKIP
Thumbs up = you will make sure UKIP all elections they are in

Let the true British Democracy begin - a link will be forward to UKIP at this time tomorrow to show UKIP how people feel about their party!
Just sent email to UKIP HQ advising that Bolton is definitely a losing ground for them, considering out of this democratic vote it has emerged that this post has garnered -75 thumbs!!!!

thus showing people are not willing to vote for UKIP - I put that down to Thomas Ryder with his pungent attitude to not only me but the majority of posters on here who has different ideologies than what he does!
And just how does this add to the topic on this thread RO? Apart from which your obsession with thumbs up/down and immature determination to have the last word is all rather sad. You spoil these forums.
You really do need to get a life.
And to pre-empt whatever insults will inevitable be in your reply, " whatever ".
Well Thatissowrong you ought to know the answer

Considering it was actually YOU that brought up the question of the thumbs in your very first post on this website, which seems a strange thing to do!!! In fact the way you posted your very post is exactly the same (word for word) as what George X. does every 3 days to try to wind me up!!!!

Very strange how it is exactly word for word, isn't it?

In fact every post you have done has been very strangely familiar to George X. who has had their profile deleted TWICE due to breaking of the terms and conditions!

And other strange fact is that where ever you (whether its George X. or thisisswonr, along with hectoriva) the thumbs go very haywire as though they are being influenced by outside technology - as in some posters get +50/+60/+70 whilst other posts get -50/-60/-70 and yet there are not 50 regular posters or viewers on this website!!

So am I right in saying that Thisissowrong is actually George X. - yes I am

So am I right in saying that Hectoriva (a character from the National Lottery "Euromillions" advert is the same person as Sarah Parker and the same person who has had over 5 different character or stage names from the world on entertainment! - Yes I am

And both have been reported by me and others due to the fact that they are breaking an order that strictly bans them from posting on this website and other newsquest websites!!!
[quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thumbs down = you will never vote UKIP Thumbs up = you will make sure UKIP all elections they are in Let the true British Democracy begin - a link will be forward to UKIP at this time tomorrow to show UKIP how people feel about their party![/p][/quote]Just sent email to UKIP HQ advising that Bolton is definitely a losing ground for them, considering out of this democratic vote it has emerged that this post has garnered -75 thumbs!!!! thus showing people are not willing to vote for UKIP - I put that down to Thomas Ryder with his pungent attitude to not only me but the majority of posters on here who has different ideologies than what he does![/p][/quote]And just how does this add to the topic on this thread RO? Apart from which your obsession with thumbs up/down and immature determination to have the last word is all rather sad. You spoil these forums. You really do need to get a life. And to pre-empt whatever insults will inevitable be in your reply, " whatever ".[/p][/quote]Well Thatissowrong you ought to know the answer Considering it was actually YOU that brought up the question of the thumbs in your very first post on this website, which seems a strange thing to do!!! In fact the way you posted your very post is exactly the same (word for word) as what George X. does every 3 days to try to wind me up!!!! Very strange how it is exactly word for word, isn't it? In fact every post you have done has been very strangely familiar to George X. who has had their profile deleted TWICE due to breaking of the terms and conditions! And other strange fact is that where ever you (whether its George X. or thisisswonr, along with hectoriva) the thumbs go very haywire as though they are being influenced by outside technology - as in some posters get +50/+60/+70 whilst other posts get -50/-60/-70 and yet there are not 50 regular posters or viewers on this website!! So am I right in saying that Thisissowrong is actually George X. - yes I am So am I right in saying that Hectoriva (a character from the National Lottery "Euromillions" advert is the same person as Sarah Parker and the same person who has had over 5 different character or stage names from the world on entertainment! - Yes I am And both have been reported by me and others due to the fact that they are breaking an order that strictly bans them from posting on this website and other newsquest websites!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: -38

3:50pm Sun 20 Apr 14

Thatissowrong says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thumbs down = you will never vote UKIP
Thumbs up = you will make sure UKIP all elections they are in

Let the true British Democracy begin - a link will be forward to UKIP at this time tomorrow to show UKIP how people feel about their party!
Just sent email to UKIP HQ advising that Bolton is definitely a losing ground for them, considering out of this democratic vote it has emerged that this post has garnered -75 thumbs!!!!

thus showing people are not willing to vote for UKIP - I put that down to Thomas Ryder with his pungent attitude to not only me but the majority of posters on here who has different ideologies than what he does!
And just how does this add to the topic on this thread RO? Apart from which your obsession with thumbs up/down and immature determination to have the last word is all rather sad. You spoil these forums.
You really do need to get a life.
And to pre-empt whatever insults will inevitable be in your reply, " whatever ".
Well Thatissowrong you ought to know the answer

Considering it was actually YOU that brought up the question of the thumbs in your very first post on this website, which seems a strange thing to do!!! In fact the way you posted your very post is exactly the same (word for word) as what George X. does every 3 days to try to wind me up!!!!

Very strange how it is exactly word for word, isn't it?

In fact every post you have done has been very strangely familiar to George X. who has had their profile deleted TWICE due to breaking of the terms and conditions!

And other strange fact is that where ever you (whether its George X. or thisisswonr, along with hectoriva) the thumbs go very haywire as though they are being influenced by outside technology - as in some posters get +50/+60/+70 whilst other posts get -50/-60/-70 and yet there are not 50 regular posters or viewers on this website!!

So am I right in saying that Thisissowrong is actually George X. - yes I am

So am I right in saying that Hectoriva (a character from the National Lottery "Euromillions" advert is the same person as Sarah Parker and the same person who has had over 5 different character or stage names from the world on entertainment! - Yes I am

And both have been reported by me and others due to the fact that they are breaking an order that strictly bans them from posting on this website and other newsquest websites!!!
You are profoundly delusional and need professional help.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thumbs down = you will never vote UKIP Thumbs up = you will make sure UKIP all elections they are in Let the true British Democracy begin - a link will be forward to UKIP at this time tomorrow to show UKIP how people feel about their party![/p][/quote]Just sent email to UKIP HQ advising that Bolton is definitely a losing ground for them, considering out of this democratic vote it has emerged that this post has garnered -75 thumbs!!!! thus showing people are not willing to vote for UKIP - I put that down to Thomas Ryder with his pungent attitude to not only me but the majority of posters on here who has different ideologies than what he does![/p][/quote]And just how does this add to the topic on this thread RO? Apart from which your obsession with thumbs up/down and immature determination to have the last word is all rather sad. You spoil these forums. You really do need to get a life. And to pre-empt whatever insults will inevitable be in your reply, " whatever ".[/p][/quote]Well Thatissowrong you ought to know the answer Considering it was actually YOU that brought up the question of the thumbs in your very first post on this website, which seems a strange thing to do!!! In fact the way you posted your very post is exactly the same (word for word) as what George X. does every 3 days to try to wind me up!!!! Very strange how it is exactly word for word, isn't it? In fact every post you have done has been very strangely familiar to George X. who has had their profile deleted TWICE due to breaking of the terms and conditions! And other strange fact is that where ever you (whether its George X. or thisisswonr, along with hectoriva) the thumbs go very haywire as though they are being influenced by outside technology - as in some posters get +50/+60/+70 whilst other posts get -50/-60/-70 and yet there are not 50 regular posters or viewers on this website!! So am I right in saying that Thisissowrong is actually George X. - yes I am So am I right in saying that Hectoriva (a character from the National Lottery "Euromillions" advert is the same person as Sarah Parker and the same person who has had over 5 different character or stage names from the world on entertainment! - Yes I am And both have been reported by me and others due to the fact that they are breaking an order that strictly bans them from posting on this website and other newsquest websites!!![/p][/quote]You are profoundly delusional and need professional help. Thatissowrong
  • Score: 4

7:23pm Sun 20 Apr 14

the hand says...

Thatissowrong wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thumbs down = you will never vote UKIP
Thumbs up = you will make sure UKIP all elections they are in

Let the true British Democracy begin - a link will be forward to UKIP at this time tomorrow to show UKIP how people feel about their party!
Just sent email to UKIP HQ advising that Bolton is definitely a losing ground for them, considering out of this democratic vote it has emerged that this post has garnered -75 thumbs!!!!

thus showing people are not willing to vote for UKIP - I put that down to Thomas Ryder with his pungent attitude to not only me but the majority of posters on here who has different ideologies than what he does!
And just how does this add to the topic on this thread RO? Apart from which your obsession with thumbs up/down and immature determination to have the last word is all rather sad. You spoil these forums.
You really do need to get a life.
And to pre-empt whatever insults will inevitable be in your reply, " whatever ".
Well Thatissowrong you ought to know the answer

Considering it was actually YOU that brought up the question of the thumbs in your very first post on this website, which seems a strange thing to do!!! In fact the way you posted your very post is exactly the same (word for word) as what George X. does every 3 days to try to wind me up!!!!

Very strange how it is exactly word for word, isn't it?

In fact every post you have done has been very strangely familiar to George X. who has had their profile deleted TWICE due to breaking of the terms and conditions!

And other strange fact is that where ever you (whether its George X. or thisisswonr, along with hectoriva) the thumbs go very haywire as though they are being influenced by outside technology - as in some posters get +50/+60/+70 whilst other posts get -50/-60/-70 and yet there are not 50 regular posters or viewers on this website!!

So am I right in saying that Thisissowrong is actually George X. - yes I am

So am I right in saying that Hectoriva (a character from the National Lottery "Euromillions" advert is the same person as Sarah Parker and the same person who has had over 5 different character or stage names from the world on entertainment! - Yes I am

And both have been reported by me and others due to the fact that they are breaking an order that strictly bans them from posting on this website and other newsquest websites!!!
You are profoundly delusional and need professional help.
Don't really read what the righteous one has to say remember this is the one that wants drunk drivers on the road as opposed to metro taxis has a lot to say but not much sense
[quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thumbs down = you will never vote UKIP Thumbs up = you will make sure UKIP all elections they are in Let the true British Democracy begin - a link will be forward to UKIP at this time tomorrow to show UKIP how people feel about their party![/p][/quote]Just sent email to UKIP HQ advising that Bolton is definitely a losing ground for them, considering out of this democratic vote it has emerged that this post has garnered -75 thumbs!!!! thus showing people are not willing to vote for UKIP - I put that down to Thomas Ryder with his pungent attitude to not only me but the majority of posters on here who has different ideologies than what he does![/p][/quote]And just how does this add to the topic on this thread RO? Apart from which your obsession with thumbs up/down and immature determination to have the last word is all rather sad. You spoil these forums. You really do need to get a life. And to pre-empt whatever insults will inevitable be in your reply, " whatever ".[/p][/quote]Well Thatissowrong you ought to know the answer Considering it was actually YOU that brought up the question of the thumbs in your very first post on this website, which seems a strange thing to do!!! In fact the way you posted your very post is exactly the same (word for word) as what George X. does every 3 days to try to wind me up!!!! Very strange how it is exactly word for word, isn't it? In fact every post you have done has been very strangely familiar to George X. who has had their profile deleted TWICE due to breaking of the terms and conditions! And other strange fact is that where ever you (whether its George X. or thisisswonr, along with hectoriva) the thumbs go very haywire as though they are being influenced by outside technology - as in some posters get +50/+60/+70 whilst other posts get -50/-60/-70 and yet there are not 50 regular posters or viewers on this website!! So am I right in saying that Thisissowrong is actually George X. - yes I am So am I right in saying that Hectoriva (a character from the National Lottery "Euromillions" advert is the same person as Sarah Parker and the same person who has had over 5 different character or stage names from the world on entertainment! - Yes I am And both have been reported by me and others due to the fact that they are breaking an order that strictly bans them from posting on this website and other newsquest websites!!![/p][/quote]You are profoundly delusional and need professional help.[/p][/quote]Don't really read what the righteous one has to say remember this is the one that wants drunk drivers on the road as opposed to metro taxis has a lot to say but not much sense the hand
  • Score: 19

12:48am Mon 21 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Thatissowrong wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thumbs down = you will never vote UKIP
Thumbs up = you will make sure UKIP all elections they are in

Let the true British Democracy begin - a link will be forward to UKIP at this time tomorrow to show UKIP how people feel about their party!
Just sent email to UKIP HQ advising that Bolton is definitely a losing ground for them, considering out of this democratic vote it has emerged that this post has garnered -75 thumbs!!!!

thus showing people are not willing to vote for UKIP - I put that down to Thomas Ryder with his pungent attitude to not only me but the majority of posters on here who has different ideologies than what he does!
And just how does this add to the topic on this thread RO? Apart from which your obsession with thumbs up/down and immature determination to have the last word is all rather sad. You spoil these forums.
You really do need to get a life.
And to pre-empt whatever insults will inevitable be in your reply, " whatever ".
Well Thatissowrong you ought to know the answer

Considering it was actually YOU that brought up the question of the thumbs in your very first post on this website, which seems a strange thing to do!!! In fact the way you posted your very post is exactly the same (word for word) as what George X. does every 3 days to try to wind me up!!!!

Very strange how it is exactly word for word, isn't it?

In fact every post you have done has been very strangely familiar to George X. who has had their profile deleted TWICE due to breaking of the terms and conditions!

And other strange fact is that where ever you (whether its George X. or thisisswonr, along with hectoriva) the thumbs go very haywire as though they are being influenced by outside technology - as in some posters get +50/+60/+70 whilst other posts get -50/-60/-70 and yet there are not 50 regular posters or viewers on this website!!

So am I right in saying that Thisissowrong is actually George X. - yes I am

So am I right in saying that Hectoriva (a character from the National Lottery "Euromillions" advert is the same person as Sarah Parker and the same person who has had over 5 different character or stage names from the world on entertainment! - Yes I am

And both have been reported by me and others due to the fact that they are breaking an order that strictly bans them from posting on this website and other newsquest websites!!!
You are profoundly delusional and need professional help.
Been caught out again, and repoted.

you will have to find another new username and IP address, as well as email address from Tuesday!!!!

happy hunting, weirdo!
[quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thumbs down = you will never vote UKIP Thumbs up = you will make sure UKIP all elections they are in Let the true British Democracy begin - a link will be forward to UKIP at this time tomorrow to show UKIP how people feel about their party![/p][/quote]Just sent email to UKIP HQ advising that Bolton is definitely a losing ground for them, considering out of this democratic vote it has emerged that this post has garnered -75 thumbs!!!! thus showing people are not willing to vote for UKIP - I put that down to Thomas Ryder with his pungent attitude to not only me but the majority of posters on here who has different ideologies than what he does![/p][/quote]And just how does this add to the topic on this thread RO? Apart from which your obsession with thumbs up/down and immature determination to have the last word is all rather sad. You spoil these forums. You really do need to get a life. And to pre-empt whatever insults will inevitable be in your reply, " whatever ".[/p][/quote]Well Thatissowrong you ought to know the answer Considering it was actually YOU that brought up the question of the thumbs in your very first post on this website, which seems a strange thing to do!!! In fact the way you posted your very post is exactly the same (word for word) as what George X. does every 3 days to try to wind me up!!!! Very strange how it is exactly word for word, isn't it? In fact every post you have done has been very strangely familiar to George X. who has had their profile deleted TWICE due to breaking of the terms and conditions! And other strange fact is that where ever you (whether its George X. or thisisswonr, along with hectoriva) the thumbs go very haywire as though they are being influenced by outside technology - as in some posters get +50/+60/+70 whilst other posts get -50/-60/-70 and yet there are not 50 regular posters or viewers on this website!! So am I right in saying that Thisissowrong is actually George X. - yes I am So am I right in saying that Hectoriva (a character from the National Lottery "Euromillions" advert is the same person as Sarah Parker and the same person who has had over 5 different character or stage names from the world on entertainment! - Yes I am And both have been reported by me and others due to the fact that they are breaking an order that strictly bans them from posting on this website and other newsquest websites!!![/p][/quote]You are profoundly delusional and need professional help.[/p][/quote]Been caught out again, and repoted. you will have to find another new username and IP address, as well as email address from Tuesday!!!! happy hunting, weirdo! The Righteous One
  • Score: -22

12:52am Mon 21 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

the hand wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thumbs down = you will never vote UKIP
Thumbs up = you will make sure UKIP all elections they are in

Let the true British Democracy begin - a link will be forward to UKIP at this time tomorrow to show UKIP how people feel about their party!
Just sent email to UKIP HQ advising that Bolton is definitely a losing ground for them, considering out of this democratic vote it has emerged that this post has garnered -75 thumbs!!!!

thus showing people are not willing to vote for UKIP - I put that down to Thomas Ryder with his pungent attitude to not only me but the majority of posters on here who has different ideologies than what he does!
And just how does this add to the topic on this thread RO? Apart from which your obsession with thumbs up/down and immature determination to have the last word is all rather sad. You spoil these forums.
You really do need to get a life.
And to pre-empt whatever insults will inevitable be in your reply, " whatever ".
Well Thatissowrong you ought to know the answer

Considering it was actually YOU that brought up the question of the thumbs in your very first post on this website, which seems a strange thing to do!!! In fact the way you posted your very post is exactly the same (word for word) as what George X. does every 3 days to try to wind me up!!!!

Very strange how it is exactly word for word, isn't it?

In fact every post you have done has been very strangely familiar to George X. who has had their profile deleted TWICE due to breaking of the terms and conditions!

And other strange fact is that where ever you (whether its George X. or thisisswonr, along with hectoriva) the thumbs go very haywire as though they are being influenced by outside technology - as in some posters get +50/+60/+70 whilst other posts get -50/-60/-70 and yet there are not 50 regular posters or viewers on this website!!

So am I right in saying that Thisissowrong is actually George X. - yes I am

So am I right in saying that Hectoriva (a character from the National Lottery "Euromillions" advert is the same person as Sarah Parker and the same person who has had over 5 different character or stage names from the world on entertainment! - Yes I am

And both have been reported by me and others due to the fact that they are breaking an order that strictly bans them from posting on this website and other newsquest websites!!!
You are profoundly delusional and need professional help.
Don't really read what the righteous one has to say remember this is the one that wants drunk drivers on the road as opposed to metro taxis has a lot to say but not much sense
Am I, did I

Funny enough I cannot locate that exact post - now why is that?


Also fact is that the majority of drink drivers drive much slower than the speed limit due to the fact that they have no true sense of depth and as such drive slower to make sue they don't damage their cr and hve more chance of surviving a crash with a drunk driver than you would with a metro driver.

But hay, both as bad as each other, I just don't use Metro taxis, after last experience meant driving through 3 red lights, long after they had changed, cutting up 5 cars and almost causing a pile-up, as well as taking bends at 50mph in a 30mph zone, and when reached destination, literally drove up onto the pavement BEFORE hitting the brakes!!!! And yes he was reported!
[quote][p][bold]the hand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thumbs down = you will never vote UKIP Thumbs up = you will make sure UKIP all elections they are in Let the true British Democracy begin - a link will be forward to UKIP at this time tomorrow to show UKIP how people feel about their party![/p][/quote]Just sent email to UKIP HQ advising that Bolton is definitely a losing ground for them, considering out of this democratic vote it has emerged that this post has garnered -75 thumbs!!!! thus showing people are not willing to vote for UKIP - I put that down to Thomas Ryder with his pungent attitude to not only me but the majority of posters on here who has different ideologies than what he does![/p][/quote]And just how does this add to the topic on this thread RO? Apart from which your obsession with thumbs up/down and immature determination to have the last word is all rather sad. You spoil these forums. You really do need to get a life. And to pre-empt whatever insults will inevitable be in your reply, " whatever ".[/p][/quote]Well Thatissowrong you ought to know the answer Considering it was actually YOU that brought up the question of the thumbs in your very first post on this website, which seems a strange thing to do!!! In fact the way you posted your very post is exactly the same (word for word) as what George X. does every 3 days to try to wind me up!!!! Very strange how it is exactly word for word, isn't it? In fact every post you have done has been very strangely familiar to George X. who has had their profile deleted TWICE due to breaking of the terms and conditions! And other strange fact is that where ever you (whether its George X. or thisisswonr, along with hectoriva) the thumbs go very haywire as though they are being influenced by outside technology - as in some posters get +50/+60/+70 whilst other posts get -50/-60/-70 and yet there are not 50 regular posters or viewers on this website!! So am I right in saying that Thisissowrong is actually George X. - yes I am So am I right in saying that Hectoriva (a character from the National Lottery "Euromillions" advert is the same person as Sarah Parker and the same person who has had over 5 different character or stage names from the world on entertainment! - Yes I am And both have been reported by me and others due to the fact that they are breaking an order that strictly bans them from posting on this website and other newsquest websites!!![/p][/quote]You are profoundly delusional and need professional help.[/p][/quote]Don't really read what the righteous one has to say remember this is the one that wants drunk drivers on the road as opposed to metro taxis has a lot to say but not much sense[/p][/quote]Am I, did I Funny enough I cannot locate that exact post - now why is that? Also fact is that the majority of drink drivers drive much slower than the speed limit due to the fact that they have no true sense of depth and as such drive slower to make sue they don't damage their cr and hve more chance of surviving a crash with a drunk driver than you would with a metro driver. But hay, both as bad as each other, I just don't use Metro taxis, after last experience meant driving through 3 red lights, long after they had changed, cutting up 5 cars and almost causing a pile-up, as well as taking bends at 50mph in a 30mph zone, and when reached destination, literally drove up onto the pavement BEFORE hitting the brakes!!!! And yes he was reported! The Righteous One
  • Score: -30

9:28am Mon 21 Apr 14

Thatissowrong says...

Righteous One I haven't the faintest idea what your recent post was all about. I'm not prepared to get involved in a tit-for-tat argument with you as having looked into a few threads since registering here a few days ago I can see that anyone who does so ends up being swamped with long- winded overly detailed and often offensive replies; I have better things to do.
I have noticed that you monopolise these forums, seemingly more than 50% of the content. If that's your thing then whatever turns you on!
My point is that this thread concerns a serious topic and you have steered the submissions away from this and to how many votes you get. I can well understand why you get negative responses but heh-ho this is a free country so deal with it and please don't create conspiracy as it comes across as a bit sad.
Given your history it's inevitable I'll get a nasty reply from you: whatever.
Righteous One I haven't the faintest idea what your recent post was all about. I'm not prepared to get involved in a tit-for-tat argument with you as having looked into a few threads since registering here a few days ago I can see that anyone who does so ends up being swamped with long- winded overly detailed and often offensive replies; I have better things to do. I have noticed that you monopolise these forums, seemingly more than 50% of the content. If that's your thing then whatever turns you on! My point is that this thread concerns a serious topic and you have steered the submissions away from this and to how many votes you get. I can well understand why you get negative responses but heh-ho this is a free country so deal with it and please don't create conspiracy as it comes across as a bit sad. Given your history it's inevitable I'll get a nasty reply from you: whatever. Thatissowrong
  • Score: 2

10:47am Mon 21 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Thatissowrong wrote:
Righteous One I haven't the faintest idea what your recent post was all about. I'm not prepared to get involved in a tit-for-tat argument with you as having looked into a few threads since registering here a few days ago I can see that anyone who does so ends up being swamped with long- winded overly detailed and often offensive replies; I have better things to do.
I have noticed that you monopolise these forums, seemingly more than 50% of the content. If that's your thing then whatever turns you on!
My point is that this thread concerns a serious topic and you have steered the submissions away from this and to how many votes you get. I can well understand why you get negative responses but heh-ho this is a free country so deal with it and please don't create conspiracy as it comes across as a bit sad.
Given your history it's inevitable I'll get a nasty reply from you: whatever.
Whatever!
[quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: Righteous One I haven't the faintest idea what your recent post was all about. I'm not prepared to get involved in a tit-for-tat argument with you as having looked into a few threads since registering here a few days ago I can see that anyone who does so ends up being swamped with long- winded overly detailed and often offensive replies; I have better things to do. I have noticed that you monopolise these forums, seemingly more than 50% of the content. If that's your thing then whatever turns you on! My point is that this thread concerns a serious topic and you have steered the submissions away from this and to how many votes you get. I can well understand why you get negative responses but heh-ho this is a free country so deal with it and please don't create conspiracy as it comes across as a bit sad. Given your history it's inevitable I'll get a nasty reply from you: whatever.[/p][/quote]Whatever! The Righteous One
  • Score: -33

6:15pm Mon 21 Apr 14

the hand says...

Thatissowrong wrote:
Righteous One I haven't the faintest idea what your recent post was all about. I'm not prepared to get involved in a tit-for-tat argument with you as having looked into a few threads since registering here a few days ago I can see that anyone who does so ends up being swamped with long- winded overly detailed and often offensive replies; I have better things to do.
I have noticed that you monopolise these forums, seemingly more than 50% of the content. If that's your thing then whatever turns you on!
My point is that this thread concerns a serious topic and you have steered the submissions away from this and to how many votes you get. I can well understand why you get negative responses but heh-ho this is a free country so deal with it and please don't create conspiracy as it comes across as a bit sad.
Given your history it's inevitable I'll get a nasty reply from you: whatever.
Beware my friend or he will say you are a member of ukip for not agreeing with him
[quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: Righteous One I haven't the faintest idea what your recent post was all about. I'm not prepared to get involved in a tit-for-tat argument with you as having looked into a few threads since registering here a few days ago I can see that anyone who does so ends up being swamped with long- winded overly detailed and often offensive replies; I have better things to do. I have noticed that you monopolise these forums, seemingly more than 50% of the content. If that's your thing then whatever turns you on! My point is that this thread concerns a serious topic and you have steered the submissions away from this and to how many votes you get. I can well understand why you get negative responses but heh-ho this is a free country so deal with it and please don't create conspiracy as it comes across as a bit sad. Given your history it's inevitable I'll get a nasty reply from you: whatever.[/p][/quote]Beware my friend or he will say you are a member of ukip for not agreeing with him the hand
  • Score: 2

6:21pm Mon 21 Apr 14

the hand says...

The Righteous One wrote:
the hand wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thumbs down = you will never vote UKIP
Thumbs up = you will make sure UKIP all elections they are in

Let the true British Democracy begin - a link will be forward to UKIP at this time tomorrow to show UKIP how people feel about their party!
Just sent email to UKIP HQ advising that Bolton is definitely a losing ground for them, considering out of this democratic vote it has emerged that this post has garnered -75 thumbs!!!!

thus showing people are not willing to vote for UKIP - I put that down to Thomas Ryder with his pungent attitude to not only me but the majority of posters on here who has different ideologies than what he does!
And just how does this add to the topic on this thread RO? Apart from which your obsession with thumbs up/down and immature determination to have the last word is all rather sad. You spoil these forums.
You really do need to get a life.
And to pre-empt whatever insults will inevitable be in your reply, " whatever ".
Well Thatissowrong you ought to know the answer

Considering it was actually YOU that brought up the question of the thumbs in your very first post on this website, which seems a strange thing to do!!! In fact the way you posted your very post is exactly the same (word for word) as what George X. does every 3 days to try to wind me up!!!!

Very strange how it is exactly word for word, isn't it?

In fact every post you have done has been very strangely familiar to George X. who has had their profile deleted TWICE due to breaking of the terms and conditions!

And other strange fact is that where ever you (whether its George X. or thisisswonr, along with hectoriva) the thumbs go very haywire as though they are being influenced by outside technology - as in some posters get +50/+60/+70 whilst other posts get -50/-60/-70 and yet there are not 50 regular posters or viewers on this website!!

So am I right in saying that Thisissowrong is actually George X. - yes I am

So am I right in saying that Hectoriva (a character from the National Lottery "Euromillions" advert is the same person as Sarah Parker and the same person who has had over 5 different character or stage names from the world on entertainment! - Yes I am

And both have been reported by me and others due to the fact that they are breaking an order that strictly bans them from posting on this website and other newsquest websites!!!
You are profoundly delusional and need professional help.
Don't really read what the righteous one has to say remember this is the one that wants drunk drivers on the road as opposed to metro taxis has a lot to say but not much sense
Am I, did I

Funny enough I cannot locate that exact post - now why is that?


Also fact is that the majority of drink drivers drive much slower than the speed limit due to the fact that they have no true sense of depth and as such drive slower to make sue they don't damage their cr and hve more chance of surviving a crash with a drunk driver than you would with a metro driver.

But hay, both as bad as each other, I just don't use Metro taxis, after last experience meant driving through 3 red lights, long after they had changed, cutting up 5 cars and almost causing a pile-up, as well as taking bends at 50mph in a 30mph zone, and when reached destination, literally drove up onto the pavement BEFORE hitting the brakes!!!! And yes he was reported!
Oh come now righteous one have we forgotten our views on metro taxi being stoned a few weeks ago or was we just under the influence when you posted the comments I'm sure it can't be that hard to find for a man with such a wealth of knowledge you do have a short memory
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the hand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thumbs down = you will never vote UKIP Thumbs up = you will make sure UKIP all elections they are in Let the true British Democracy begin - a link will be forward to UKIP at this time tomorrow to show UKIP how people feel about their party![/p][/quote]Just sent email to UKIP HQ advising that Bolton is definitely a losing ground for them, considering out of this democratic vote it has emerged that this post has garnered -75 thumbs!!!! thus showing people are not willing to vote for UKIP - I put that down to Thomas Ryder with his pungent attitude to not only me but the majority of posters on here who has different ideologies than what he does![/p][/quote]And just how does this add to the topic on this thread RO? Apart from which your obsession with thumbs up/down and immature determination to have the last word is all rather sad. You spoil these forums. You really do need to get a life. And to pre-empt whatever insults will inevitable be in your reply, " whatever ".[/p][/quote]Well Thatissowrong you ought to know the answer Considering it was actually YOU that brought up the question of the thumbs in your very first post on this website, which seems a strange thing to do!!! In fact the way you posted your very post is exactly the same (word for word) as what George X. does every 3 days to try to wind me up!!!! Very strange how it is exactly word for word, isn't it? In fact every post you have done has been very strangely familiar to George X. who has had their profile deleted TWICE due to breaking of the terms and conditions! And other strange fact is that where ever you (whether its George X. or thisisswonr, along with hectoriva) the thumbs go very haywire as though they are being influenced by outside technology - as in some posters get +50/+60/+70 whilst other posts get -50/-60/-70 and yet there are not 50 regular posters or viewers on this website!! So am I right in saying that Thisissowrong is actually George X. - yes I am So am I right in saying that Hectoriva (a character from the National Lottery "Euromillions" advert is the same person as Sarah Parker and the same person who has had over 5 different character or stage names from the world on entertainment! - Yes I am And both have been reported by me and others due to the fact that they are breaking an order that strictly bans them from posting on this website and other newsquest websites!!![/p][/quote]You are profoundly delusional and need professional help.[/p][/quote]Don't really read what the righteous one has to say remember this is the one that wants drunk drivers on the road as opposed to metro taxis has a lot to say but not much sense[/p][/quote]Am I, did I Funny enough I cannot locate that exact post - now why is that? Also fact is that the majority of drink drivers drive much slower than the speed limit due to the fact that they have no true sense of depth and as such drive slower to make sue they don't damage their cr and hve more chance of surviving a crash with a drunk driver than you would with a metro driver. But hay, both as bad as each other, I just don't use Metro taxis, after last experience meant driving through 3 red lights, long after they had changed, cutting up 5 cars and almost causing a pile-up, as well as taking bends at 50mph in a 30mph zone, and when reached destination, literally drove up onto the pavement BEFORE hitting the brakes!!!! And yes he was reported![/p][/quote]Oh come now righteous one have we forgotten our views on metro taxi being stoned a few weeks ago or was we just under the influence when you posted the comments I'm sure it can't be that hard to find for a man with such a wealth of knowledge you do have a short memory the hand
  • Score: 2

6:48pm Mon 21 Apr 14

George X. says...

The Righteous One wrote:
the hand wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Thumbs down = you will never vote UKIP
Thumbs up = you will make sure UKIP all elections they are in

Let the true British Democracy begin - a link will be forward to UKIP at this time tomorrow to show UKIP how people feel about their party!
Just sent email to UKIP HQ advising that Bolton is definitely a losing ground for them, considering out of this democratic vote it has emerged that this post has garnered -75 thumbs!!!!

thus showing people are not willing to vote for UKIP - I put that down to Thomas Ryder with his pungent attitude to not only me but the majority of posters on here who has different ideologies than what he does!
And just how does this add to the topic on this thread RO? Apart from which your obsession with thumbs up/down and immature determination to have the last word is all rather sad. You spoil these forums.
You really do need to get a life.
And to pre-empt whatever insults will inevitable be in your reply, " whatever ".
Well Thatissowrong you ought to know the answer

Considering it was actually YOU that brought up the question of the thumbs in your very first post on this website, which seems a strange thing to do!!! In fact the way you posted your very post is exactly the same (word for word) as what George X. does every 3 days to try to wind me up!!!!

Very strange how it is exactly word for word, isn't it?

In fact every post you have done has been very strangely familiar to George X. who has had their profile deleted TWICE due to breaking of the terms and conditions!

And other strange fact is that where ever you (whether its George X. or thisisswonr, along with hectoriva) the thumbs go very haywire as though they are being influenced by outside technology - as in some posters get +50/+60/+70 whilst other posts get -50/-60/-70 and yet there are not 50 regular posters or viewers on this website!!

So am I right in saying that Thisissowrong is actually George X. - yes I am

So am I right in saying that Hectoriva (a character from the National Lottery "Euromillions" advert is the same person as Sarah Parker and the same person who has had over 5 different character or stage names from the world on entertainment! - Yes I am

And both have been reported by me and others due to the fact that they are breaking an order that strictly bans them from posting on this website and other newsquest websites!!!
You are profoundly delusional and need professional help.
Don't really read what the righteous one has to say remember this is the one that wants drunk drivers on the road as opposed to metro taxis has a lot to say but not much sense
Am I, did I

Funny enough I cannot locate that exact post - now why is that?


Also fact is that the majority of drink drivers drive much slower than the speed limit due to the fact that they have no true sense of depth and as such drive slower to make sue they don't damage their cr and hve more chance of surviving a crash with a drunk driver than you would with a metro driver.

But hay, both as bad as each other, I just don't use Metro taxis, after last experience meant driving through 3 red lights, long after they had changed, cutting up 5 cars and almost causing a pile-up, as well as taking bends at 50mph in a 30mph zone, and when reached destination, literally drove up onto the pavement BEFORE hitting the brakes!!!! And yes he was reported!
Look what i found for you...

5:22pm Mon 31 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...
I actually prefer the roads to be full of drunken drivers as at least they drive much safer than Metro drivers who don't abide any of the road laws whatsoever!!!!

I now its an extreme but look at it from the perspective of being behind a Metro driver - Drink Drivers are FAR safer!!!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the hand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Thumbs down = you will never vote UKIP Thumbs up = you will make sure UKIP all elections they are in Let the true British Democracy begin - a link will be forward to UKIP at this time tomorrow to show UKIP how people feel about their party![/p][/quote]Just sent email to UKIP HQ advising that Bolton is definitely a losing ground for them, considering out of this democratic vote it has emerged that this post has garnered -75 thumbs!!!! thus showing people are not willing to vote for UKIP - I put that down to Thomas Ryder with his pungent attitude to not only me but the majority of posters on here who has different ideologies than what he does![/p][/quote]And just how does this add to the topic on this thread RO? Apart from which your obsession with thumbs up/down and immature determination to have the last word is all rather sad. You spoil these forums. You really do need to get a life. And to pre-empt whatever insults will inevitable be in your reply, " whatever ".[/p][/quote]Well Thatissowrong you ought to know the answer Considering it was actually YOU that brought up the question of the thumbs in your very first post on this website, which seems a strange thing to do!!! In fact the way you posted your very post is exactly the same (word for word) as what George X. does every 3 days to try to wind me up!!!! Very strange how it is exactly word for word, isn't it? In fact every post you have done has been very strangely familiar to George X. who has had their profile deleted TWICE due to breaking of the terms and conditions! And other strange fact is that where ever you (whether its George X. or thisisswonr, along with hectoriva) the thumbs go very haywire as though they are being influenced by outside technology - as in some posters get +50/+60/+70 whilst other posts get -50/-60/-70 and yet there are not 50 regular posters or viewers on this website!! So am I right in saying that Thisissowrong is actually George X. - yes I am So am I right in saying that Hectoriva (a character from the National Lottery "Euromillions" advert is the same person as Sarah Parker and the same person who has had over 5 different character or stage names from the world on entertainment! - Yes I am And both have been reported by me and others due to the fact that they are breaking an order that strictly bans them from posting on this website and other newsquest websites!!![/p][/quote]You are profoundly delusional and need professional help.[/p][/quote]Don't really read what the righteous one has to say remember this is the one that wants drunk drivers on the road as opposed to metro taxis has a lot to say but not much sense[/p][/quote]Am I, did I Funny enough I cannot locate that exact post - now why is that? Also fact is that the majority of drink drivers drive much slower than the speed limit due to the fact that they have no true sense of depth and as such drive slower to make sue they don't damage their cr and hve more chance of surviving a crash with a drunk driver than you would with a metro driver. But hay, both as bad as each other, I just don't use Metro taxis, after last experience meant driving through 3 red lights, long after they had changed, cutting up 5 cars and almost causing a pile-up, as well as taking bends at 50mph in a 30mph zone, and when reached destination, literally drove up onto the pavement BEFORE hitting the brakes!!!! And yes he was reported![/p][/quote]Look what i found for you... 5:22pm Mon 31 Mar 14 BWFC71 says... I actually prefer the roads to be full of drunken drivers as at least they drive much safer than Metro drivers who don't abide any of the road laws whatsoever!!!! I now its an extreme but look at it from the perspective of being behind a Metro driver - Drink Drivers are FAR safer!!! George X.
  • Score: 5

8:07pm Mon 21 Apr 14

Thatissowrong says...

the hand wrote:
Thatissowrong wrote:
Righteous One I haven't the faintest idea what your recent post was all about. I'm not prepared to get involved in a tit-for-tat argument with you as having looked into a few threads since registering here a few days ago I can see that anyone who does so ends up being swamped with long- winded overly detailed and often offensive replies; I have better things to do.
I have noticed that you monopolise these forums, seemingly more than 50% of the content. If that's your thing then whatever turns you on!
My point is that this thread concerns a serious topic and you have steered the submissions away from this and to how many votes you get. I can well understand why you get negative responses but heh-ho this is a free country so deal with it and please don't create conspiracy as it comes across as a bit sad.
Given your history it's inevitable I'll get a nasty reply from you: whatever.
Beware my friend or he will say you are a member of ukip for not agreeing with him
He probably believes that anyway given that he thinks I'm 4 different people. In which case I could be a Tory and a socialist and a liberal and a UKipper all at the same time!!! :)
[quote][p][bold]the hand[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thatissowrong[/bold] wrote: Righteous One I haven't the faintest idea what your recent post was all about. I'm not prepared to get involved in a tit-for-tat argument with you as having looked into a few threads since registering here a few days ago I can see that anyone who does so ends up being swamped with long- winded overly detailed and often offensive replies; I have better things to do. I have noticed that you monopolise these forums, seemingly more than 50% of the content. If that's your thing then whatever turns you on! My point is that this thread concerns a serious topic and you have steered the submissions away from this and to how many votes you get. I can well understand why you get negative responses but heh-ho this is a free country so deal with it and please don't create conspiracy as it comes across as a bit sad. Given your history it's inevitable I'll get a nasty reply from you: whatever.[/p][/quote]Beware my friend or he will say you are a member of ukip for not agreeing with him[/p][/quote]He probably believes that anyway given that he thinks I'm 4 different people. In which case I could be a Tory and a socialist and a liberal and a UKipper all at the same time!!! :) Thatissowrong
  • Score: 4

8:00am Wed 23 Apr 14

bolton12 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Tim Burr wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Is it possible to find out who abstained & who voted against please Bolton News would be nice to know as it tells the electorate what they need to know.
It is, but you'll have to ask for the minutes - though I'm reliably informed - eyes left! Though if you're thinking of using the information to "shame" certain Councillors, I'd think long and hard purely on the basis that your party is now under intense scrutiny.
Thats not the reason Tim its so i know who is pro & anti British. Lets be honest also Tim UKIP have been slighted many times by others as with the recent times article that was trashed within hours of publication.
You mean the expenses scandal (part 2) and yet of it was any other party Farage would be calling the had no matter what!!!

It seem it is a case of do as I say and not as I do attitude again!!!

Isn't that being hypocritical or two faced?
We'll we know who abstained and voted against ! Simples eyes to the left
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Tim Burr[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Is it possible to find out who abstained & who voted against please Bolton News would be nice to know as it tells the electorate what they need to know.[/p][/quote]It is, but you'll have to ask for the minutes - though I'm reliably informed - eyes left! Though if you're thinking of using the information to "shame" certain Councillors, I'd think long and hard purely on the basis that your party is now under intense scrutiny.[/p][/quote]Thats not the reason Tim its so i know who is pro & anti British. Lets be honest also Tim UKIP have been slighted many times by others as with the recent times article that was trashed within hours of publication.[/p][/quote]You mean the expenses scandal (part 2) and yet of it was any other party Farage would be calling the had no matter what!!! It seem it is a case of do as I say and not as I do attitude again!!! Isn't that being hypocritical or two faced?[/p][/quote]We'll we know who abstained and voted against ! Simples eyes to the left bolton12
  • Score: -1

8:16am Wed 23 Apr 14

bolton12 says...

Jim271 wrote:
Lets have a Bolton Flag on display as well.
I think some of the comment,s about the righteous one are off the mark abut! The person strikes me as someone who indeed is a hermit like creature who goes by the name of cindy and has a fettish for rubber and likes to stalk his victim. S abit like a cretin with a disease ? Well what can you say for thomas222 keep the flag flying high and god save the queen ukip is the way forward.
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: Lets have a Bolton Flag on display as well.[/p][/quote]I think some of the comment,s about the righteous one are off the mark abut! The person strikes me as someone who indeed is a hermit like creature who goes by the name of cindy and has a fettish for rubber and likes to stalk his victim. S abit like a cretin with a disease ? Well what can you say for thomas222 keep the flag flying high and god save the queen ukip is the way forward. bolton12
  • Score: 3

5:57pm Wed 23 Apr 14

JustBecause says...

“People who enjoy waving flags don't deserve to have one”
“People who enjoy waving flags don't deserve to have one” JustBecause
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6:14pm Wed 23 Apr 14

bolton12 says...

JustBecause wrote:
“People who enjoy waving flags don't deserve to have one”
we do not mean concrete flags you are just like the righteous one...you just dont get point do you ...keep up the good work tom222 and show these simples some sense....talking of the righteous one im sure i saw him today dressed as cindy in laytex with a bunch of leftie type students going down wood st to the socialists club chanting power to the left
[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: “People who enjoy waving flags don't deserve to have one”[/p][/quote]we do not mean concrete flags you are just like the righteous one...you just dont get point do you ...keep up the good work tom222 and show these simples some sense....talking of the righteous one im sure i saw him today dressed as cindy in laytex with a bunch of leftie type students going down wood st to the socialists club chanting power to the left bolton12
  • Score: 1

7:27pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Coleygiz says...

I go to Greece quite a lot and the Greek flag is flown everywhere, sometimes alongside the EU flag, sometimes not. Despite all the troubles there the Greeks are incredibly proud to be Greek. Flying the Union Jack or Union flag and singing the national anthem is a very patriotic thing to do and I think it would encourage people to be proud to be British.
I go to Greece quite a lot and the Greek flag is flown everywhere, sometimes alongside the EU flag, sometimes not. Despite all the troubles there the Greeks are incredibly proud to be Greek. Flying the Union Jack or Union flag and singing the national anthem is a very patriotic thing to do and I think it would encourage people to be proud to be British. Coleygiz
  • Score: 0

7:37pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Coleygiz says...

holloway_david wrote:
holloway_david wrote:
For those that talk of the flag as politically incorrect in multi racial terms, they need to remember who was here first.
PS. Why is our flag an insult in the above terms; its the British flag, Elizabeth is our queen. Those that live here, work here, and get benefits here should appreciate British heritage and stop bringing up race and religion as an excuse for argument.
Sorry but I pressed thumbs down instead of thumbs up by mistake. Sorry about that, I do agree with what you say
[quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: For those that talk of the flag as politically incorrect in multi racial terms, they need to remember who was here first.[/p][/quote]PS. Why is our flag an insult in the above terms; its the British flag, Elizabeth is our queen. Those that live here, work here, and get benefits here should appreciate British heritage and stop bringing up race and religion as an excuse for argument.[/p][/quote]Sorry but I pressed thumbs down instead of thumbs up by mistake. Sorry about that, I do agree with what you say Coleygiz
  • Score: -8

8:08pm Wed 23 Apr 14

Coleygiz says...

holloway_david wrote:
holloway_david wrote:
For those that talk of the flag as politically incorrect in multi racial terms, they need to remember who was here first.
PS. Why is our flag an insult in the above terms; its the British flag, Elizabeth is our queen. Those that live here, work here, and get benefits here should appreciate British heritage and stop bringing up race and religion as an excuse for argument.
Has anyone tried to buy one of those England car flags? Apparently the shops will have some for the World Cup but they don't have any today- shocking
[quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]holloway_david[/bold] wrote: For those that talk of the flag as politically incorrect in multi racial terms, they need to remember who was here first.[/p][/quote]PS. Why is our flag an insult in the above terms; its the British flag, Elizabeth is our queen. Those that live here, work here, and get benefits here should appreciate British heritage and stop bringing up race and religion as an excuse for argument.[/p][/quote]Has anyone tried to buy one of those England car flags? Apparently the shops will have some for the World Cup but they don't have any today- shocking Coleygiz
  • Score: -3

11:44pm Wed 23 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

Coleygiz wrote:
I go to Greece quite a lot and the Greek flag is flown everywhere, sometimes alongside the EU flag, sometimes not. Despite all the troubles there the Greeks are incredibly proud to be Greek. Flying the Union Jack or Union flag and singing the national anthem is a very patriotic thing to do and I think it would encourage people to be proud to be British.
Hiya did you get banned.. i can see you stamping your feet again... . Is Greece as nice as the Dutch & why is red dawn going to be the first far right Fascist Party in the EU con. Could it be the same reason we here are fighting back... Ps. How are the Shwarma... x
[quote][p][bold]Coleygiz[/bold] wrote: I go to Greece quite a lot and the Greek flag is flown everywhere, sometimes alongside the EU flag, sometimes not. Despite all the troubles there the Greeks are incredibly proud to be Greek. Flying the Union Jack or Union flag and singing the national anthem is a very patriotic thing to do and I think it would encourage people to be proud to be British.[/p][/quote]Hiya did you get banned.. i can see you stamping your feet again... . Is Greece as nice as the Dutch & why is red dawn going to be the first far right Fascist Party in the EU con. Could it be the same reason we here are fighting back... Ps. How are the Shwarma... x thomas222
  • Score: 0

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