SHOT DOWN: Model aircraft enthusiast in Battle of Blackburn dogfight with council

Michael Parkinson faces removal from Pleasington playing fields by police if he flies his model aircraft there in the latest twist to an 18-month dogfight.

Michael Parkinson faces removal from Pleasington playing fields by police if he flies his model aircraft there in the latest twist to an 18-month dogfight.

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A BATTLE for Blackburn’s skies has broken out between a 72-year-old model aircraft enthusiast and the borough council.

Michael Parkinson faces removal from Pleasington playing fields by police if he flies his model aircraft there in the latest twist to an 18-month dogfight.

Blackburn with Darwen council has warned the pensioner it will take him to court, and remove him from the spot where he first took his remote-controlled plane aged 11, if he tries to fly any of his seven models there.

The Pendle Drive resident was refused membership of the Blackburn and District Model Aircraft Club, which organises the sport in the borough, and then banned from using the fields by the council in a dispute over its exclusive rights over who flies there.

Mr Parkinson, describing the latest moves as ‘laughable......a sledgehammer to crack a nut’, is prepared to risk being apprehended and taken to court over his right to fly.

A former Air Training Corps member, who helped pilot a Chipmunk in his youth, he is a member of the British Model Flying Association and fully trained and insured as legally required to pursue his hobby.

Mr Parkinson said: “This is my battle for Blackburn’s skies.

“It’s a small-scale ‘Battle of Britain’, one man on behalf of the few against the establishment over the right to fly a model aircraft in the skies over the town.”

The saga started in July 2012 when he returned to live in Blackburn full-time and applied to rejoin the model aircraft club he helped refound in 1972 as a committee member.

The following month he said he received a letter from Blackburn with Darwen council, which had been told he was flying without permission at Pleasington.

The letter informed him ‘the arrangements for the flying on council land are that the agreement is solely between the council and BDMAC’.

It added: “I have been informed that you are not a member of the BDMAC and therefore you do not have the council’s permission to fly any aircraft either at Pleasington playing fields or on any council land within the borough.”

Mr Parkinson, who has seven radio-controlled planes and gliders with wing-spans of up to 12 feet, disputes the agreement is exclusively for club members and then tried to fly his planes on the fields, being prevented by its officials.

His membership was refused, sparking a battle which has seen Mr Parkinson take club and council to court, dozens of letters and several meetings between the father-of-three and officials of both bodies.

In November last year, Deputy District Judge Keith Parr struck out his claim to be allowed the fly without rejoining BDMAC on the expectation he would be invited back to the club.

In October the council, which has run up legal costs of more than £3,000, offered Mr Parkinson and other non-members public flying times on Wednesdays and Saturdays and a promise of BDMAC membership in return an undertaking to ‘comply with club rules’.

Mr Parkinson refused in a nine-page letter disputing the legality of the club’s exclusive rights over flying.

Blackburn MP Jack Straw has tried to resolve the row .

Last month, Mr Parkinson received a letter from the council telling him: “You are advised not to fly your model aeroplane on the playing fields without express permission from the council or the club.

“In the event that you decide to otherwise the following action my follow: “1) a claim for an injunction, damages and costs; “2) You may be escorted from the playing fields using reasonable force with or without a police escort.”

Engineer Mr Parkinson said: “This is laughable. They are using a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

“All I want to do is fly my model aircraft from the fields where I started at the age of 11.

“I had been a member of the club on and off since then, before taking my yacht round the world. I always had a house in Blackburn and paid council tax.

“I admit I can be awkward but I would happily rejoin the club and pursue my complaints about the way they run the use of the field within it.

“It has never been an exclusive agreement. I helped draw it up.

“Unless this can be resolved quickly, I am minded to fly there and risk being escorted off the fields by the police and taken to court where I can prove my case. I have taken good legal advice at all stages.”

Borough leisure director Martin Eden said: “We work closely with the Blackburn and District Model Aircraft Club, to ensure that there is opportunity for safe flying, within permitted hours.

“The club has been granted a licence for its members to use the site, in a way which promotes the interests of safety and is a fair way to allocate facilities to all members of the public.”

BDMAC secretary Kevin Watson said: “The committee has a duty to ensure operations are conducted in accordance with the national guidance and regulatory requirements.

“The committee works hard to ensure this is a harmonious club where members can enjoy their chosen sport in a relaxed and friendly atmosphere.

“Mr Parkinson has previously initiated court proceedings against both the club and Blackburn Council. Both cases have been legally dismissed by the courts.”

Mr Straw said: “I would be happy to meet Mr Parkinson to discuss this issue.”

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7:16am Sat 12 Apr 14

denidenideni says...

Unbelievable
Only in Blackburn
This story is missing something, it suggests the parties involved have fallen out in the past and they are too stubborn to give way to each other.
So just ban them all from flying, that way someone will give way.
Unbelievable Only in Blackburn This story is missing something, it suggests the parties involved have fallen out in the past and they are too stubborn to give way to each other. So just ban them all from flying, that way someone will give way. denidenideni
  • Score: 29

8:14am Sat 12 Apr 14

2 for 5p ridesagain says...

Headline SHOT DOWN

If the council need a volunteer to shoot these model aircraft out of the sky look no further.
Headline SHOT DOWN If the council need a volunteer to shoot these model aircraft out of the sky look no further. 2 for 5p ridesagain
  • Score: -5

8:45am Sat 12 Apr 14

Excluded again says...

Look at the size of that plane. That would do some serious damage to a grown man if it hit them, it would probably kill a child.

The Council is absolutely right to regulate the flying of such a dangerous model plane in a public park.
Look at the size of that plane. That would do some serious damage to a grown man if it hit them, it would probably kill a child. The Council is absolutely right to regulate the flying of such a dangerous model plane in a public park. Excluded again
  • Score: 2

9:20am Sat 12 Apr 14

Just an observer says...

This wants to read with, the ride of the Valkyries theme tune playing. or even the 633 squadron theme tune.
This wants to read with, the ride of the Valkyries theme tune playing. or even the 633 squadron theme tune. Just an observer
  • Score: 7

9:22am Sat 12 Apr 14

happycyclist says...

Excluded again wrote:
Look at the size of that plane. That would do some serious damage to a grown man if it hit them, it would probably kill a child.

The Council is absolutely right to regulate the flying of such a dangerous model plane in a public park.
Look at the size of that plane? It's nowhere near as big as a car and the council/police/court
s do precious little about the nutters that drive them on the roads; and they DO kill both adults and children when they hit them.
[quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: Look at the size of that plane. That would do some serious damage to a grown man if it hit them, it would probably kill a child. The Council is absolutely right to regulate the flying of such a dangerous model plane in a public park.[/p][/quote]Look at the size of that plane? It's nowhere near as big as a car and the council/police/court s do precious little about the nutters that drive them on the roads; and they DO kill both adults and children when they hit them. happycyclist
  • Score: 38

9:33am Sat 12 Apr 14

phil kernot says...

Be one of those clubs , if you don't fit in your not getting in ,,, he should set up his own club ,on the same land ,,, then sue them if thay discriminate him from setting one up on his human rights act ,,,:)
Be one of those clubs , if you don't fit in your not getting in ,,, he should set up his own club ,on the same land ,,, then sue them if thay discriminate him from setting one up on his human rights act ,,,:) phil kernot
  • Score: 38

9:54am Sat 12 Apr 14

billy32 says...

The council for once is right, if they didn't have set times and days it would be mayhem for the people who play cricket and park their cars all over the place. Also the people who take their dogs for a little exercise. For once well done to the officials.
The council for once is right, if they didn't have set times and days it would be mayhem for the people who play cricket and park their cars all over the place. Also the people who take their dogs for a little exercise. For once well done to the officials. billy32
  • Score: -23

10:59am Sat 12 Apr 14

useyourhead says...

Lawyers will be the only winners here, use a fraction of what it will cost and buy a small strip of land, private runway, job done.
Lawyers will be the only winners here, use a fraction of what it will cost and buy a small strip of land, private runway, job done. useyourhead
  • Score: 16

11:05am Sat 12 Apr 14

mark anthony says...

Send in the spitfires "chocks away"!!!
Send in the spitfires "chocks away"!!! mark anthony
  • Score: 12

11:13am Sat 12 Apr 14

HarryBosch says...

I think the big question here is - why was he refused membership of the model aircraft clu
b?
One side of the story here. Any members of BDMAC reading this story care to enlighten us?
I think the big question here is - why was he refused membership of the model aircraft clu b? One side of the story here. Any members of BDMAC reading this story care to enlighten us? HarryBosch
  • Score: 33

11:25am Sat 12 Apr 14

woolywords says...

Good grief, I don't believe what I'm reading here. Is it April Fools Day, again?

(Dear Reader, This submission is best accompanied by this piece of music,
Sir Edward Elgar - Pomp and Circumstance March No.1, which you may find here... http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=moL4MkJ-a
Lk)

So basically, what they are saying is, that a publicly elected Council, has entered into a private agreement, with a fee paying, private club, to exclude members of the public from flying anything, unless they join that club?
And that, if you are not a member, you can't fly anything?
I don't know about the theme tunes but there is a definite whiff of sulphuric litigation in those few words. Can someone hold a monopoly over a public space, like this? If so, it just screams at me that it is just so wrong, on so many levels.
OK, Mr Parkinson, it's time to go to war, in the skies over Pleasington.
First things first, off to one of those party promoters shops, to buy as many balloons as you can, with a few hundred metres of ribbon and a cylinder of Helium. Ribbons for the balloons should be cut at varying lengths, of between one and three metres, for best effect. Then we need to recruit a few hundred children, who want a balloon for 5p. It's school holidays, so there will be lots of them knocking about, just waiting for the chance of a bit of mischief to come along.
On the day when they are flying, we give the children a balloon or two, then ask them to stand in the area where planes are being flown. I should point out that, anyone with half an ounce of common sense, won't fly a model plane anywhere close to a child with a balloon.
The Civil Aviation Authority has decided that an Helium filled balloon is equivalent to an aeroplane and so, technically, a child would be 'flying' a balloon in that park.
Somebody want to call the Police, to have this peaceful protest broken up and these protesters arrested, for flying without permission? Who wants to be the first Police Officer to be photographed, taking a balloon off a child? Or even, officers in full protection suits, going around with Health and Safety approved pins, bursting balloons!
The floods of tears, would easily beat the closing scenes of 'The Dambusters' movie.
Handcuffed toddlers, being frog-marched away, because their pushchairs have been impounded, for being used in a crime, should make national, if not, international news.
And if you think I'm being ridiculous, don't forget who started this war, with their exclusion clauses on flying in a public park. Forget the Tolpuddle Martyrs, these toddling piddlers, will make the history books by teatime. Some might say that, 'Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few', and that this was, 'their finest hour' (if not the funniest). We shall fight them on the bleachers, and in the lanes, and in the hedgerows of the fields...
Sing your lungs out, Lad...#Land of hope and glory, Mother of the free..

It's enough to rupture anyone's chuckle muscle, it really is!
Good grief, I don't believe what I'm reading here. Is it April Fools Day, again? (Dear Reader, This submission is best accompanied by this piece of music, Sir Edward Elgar - Pomp and Circumstance March No.1, which you may find here... http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=moL4MkJ-a Lk) So basically, what they are saying is, that a publicly elected Council, has entered into a private agreement, with a fee paying, private club, to exclude members of the public from flying anything, unless they join that club? And that, if you are not a member, you can't fly anything? I don't know about the theme tunes but there is a definite whiff of sulphuric litigation in those few words. Can someone hold a monopoly over a public space, like this? If so, it just screams at me that it is just so wrong, on so many levels. OK, Mr Parkinson, it's time to go to war, in the skies over Pleasington. First things first, off to one of those party promoters shops, to buy as many balloons as you can, with a few hundred metres of ribbon and a cylinder of Helium. Ribbons for the balloons should be cut at varying lengths, of between one and three metres, for best effect. Then we need to recruit a few hundred children, who want a balloon for 5p. It's school holidays, so there will be lots of them knocking about, just waiting for the chance of a bit of mischief to come along. On the day when they are flying, we give the children a balloon or two, then ask them to stand in the area where planes are being flown. I should point out that, anyone with half an ounce of common sense, won't fly a model plane anywhere close to a child with a balloon. The Civil Aviation Authority has decided that an Helium filled balloon is equivalent to an aeroplane and so, technically, a child would be 'flying' a balloon in that park. Somebody want to call the Police, to have this peaceful protest broken up and these protesters arrested, for flying without permission? Who wants to be the first Police Officer to be photographed, taking a balloon off a child? Or even, officers in full protection suits, going around with Health and Safety approved pins, bursting balloons! The floods of tears, would easily beat the closing scenes of 'The Dambusters' movie. Handcuffed toddlers, being frog-marched away, because their pushchairs have been impounded, for being used in a crime, should make national, if not, international news. And if you think I'm being ridiculous, don't forget who started this war, with their exclusion clauses on flying in a public park. Forget the Tolpuddle Martyrs, these toddling piddlers, will make the history books by teatime. Some might say that, 'Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few', and that this was, 'their finest hour' (if not the funniest). We shall fight them on the bleachers, and in the lanes, and in the hedgerows of the fields... Sing your lungs out, Lad...#Land of hope and glory, Mother of the free.. It's enough to rupture anyone's chuckle muscle, it really is! woolywords
  • Score: 26

12:01pm Sat 12 Apr 14

ikap22 says...

woolywords wrote:
Good grief, I don't believe what I'm reading here. Is it April Fools Day, again?

(Dear Reader, This submission is best accompanied by this piece of music,
Sir Edward Elgar - Pomp and Circumstance March No.1, which you may find here... http://www.youtube.c

om/watch?v=moL4MkJ-a

Lk)

So basically, what they are saying is, that a publicly elected Council, has entered into a private agreement, with a fee paying, private club, to exclude members of the public from flying anything, unless they join that club?
And that, if you are not a member, you can't fly anything?
I don't know about the theme tunes but there is a definite whiff of sulphuric litigation in those few words. Can someone hold a monopoly over a public space, like this? If so, it just screams at me that it is just so wrong, on so many levels.
OK, Mr Parkinson, it's time to go to war, in the skies over Pleasington.
First things first, off to one of those party promoters shops, to buy as many balloons as you can, with a few hundred metres of ribbon and a cylinder of Helium. Ribbons for the balloons should be cut at varying lengths, of between one and three metres, for best effect. Then we need to recruit a few hundred children, who want a balloon for 5p. It's school holidays, so there will be lots of them knocking about, just waiting for the chance of a bit of mischief to come along.
On the day when they are flying, we give the children a balloon or two, then ask them to stand in the area where planes are being flown. I should point out that, anyone with half an ounce of common sense, won't fly a model plane anywhere close to a child with a balloon.
The Civil Aviation Authority has decided that an Helium filled balloon is equivalent to an aeroplane and so, technically, a child would be 'flying' a balloon in that park.
Somebody want to call the Police, to have this peaceful protest broken up and these protesters arrested, for flying without permission? Who wants to be the first Police Officer to be photographed, taking a balloon off a child? Or even, officers in full protection suits, going around with Health and Safety approved pins, bursting balloons!
The floods of tears, would easily beat the closing scenes of 'The Dambusters' movie.
Handcuffed toddlers, being frog-marched away, because their pushchairs have been impounded, for being used in a crime, should make national, if not, international news.
And if you think I'm being ridiculous, don't forget who started this war, with their exclusion clauses on flying in a public park. Forget the Tolpuddle Martyrs, these toddling piddlers, will make the history books by teatime. Some might say that, 'Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few', and that this was, 'their finest hour' (if not the funniest). We shall fight them on the bleachers, and in the lanes, and in the hedgerows of the fields...
Sing your lungs out, Lad...#Land of hope and glory, Mother of the free..

It's enough to rupture anyone's chuckle muscle, it really is!
?
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: Good grief, I don't believe what I'm reading here. Is it April Fools Day, again? (Dear Reader, This submission is best accompanied by this piece of music, Sir Edward Elgar - Pomp and Circumstance March No.1, which you may find here... http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=moL4MkJ-a Lk) So basically, what they are saying is, that a publicly elected Council, has entered into a private agreement, with a fee paying, private club, to exclude members of the public from flying anything, unless they join that club? And that, if you are not a member, you can't fly anything? I don't know about the theme tunes but there is a definite whiff of sulphuric litigation in those few words. Can someone hold a monopoly over a public space, like this? If so, it just screams at me that it is just so wrong, on so many levels. OK, Mr Parkinson, it's time to go to war, in the skies over Pleasington. First things first, off to one of those party promoters shops, to buy as many balloons as you can, with a few hundred metres of ribbon and a cylinder of Helium. Ribbons for the balloons should be cut at varying lengths, of between one and three metres, for best effect. Then we need to recruit a few hundred children, who want a balloon for 5p. It's school holidays, so there will be lots of them knocking about, just waiting for the chance of a bit of mischief to come along. On the day when they are flying, we give the children a balloon or two, then ask them to stand in the area where planes are being flown. I should point out that, anyone with half an ounce of common sense, won't fly a model plane anywhere close to a child with a balloon. The Civil Aviation Authority has decided that an Helium filled balloon is equivalent to an aeroplane and so, technically, a child would be 'flying' a balloon in that park. Somebody want to call the Police, to have this peaceful protest broken up and these protesters arrested, for flying without permission? Who wants to be the first Police Officer to be photographed, taking a balloon off a child? Or even, officers in full protection suits, going around with Health and Safety approved pins, bursting balloons! The floods of tears, would easily beat the closing scenes of 'The Dambusters' movie. Handcuffed toddlers, being frog-marched away, because their pushchairs have been impounded, for being used in a crime, should make national, if not, international news. And if you think I'm being ridiculous, don't forget who started this war, with their exclusion clauses on flying in a public park. Forget the Tolpuddle Martyrs, these toddling piddlers, will make the history books by teatime. Some might say that, 'Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few', and that this was, 'their finest hour' (if not the funniest). We shall fight them on the bleachers, and in the lanes, and in the hedgerows of the fields... Sing your lungs out, Lad...#Land of hope and glory, Mother of the free.. It's enough to rupture anyone's chuckle muscle, it really is![/p][/quote]? ikap22
  • Score: 4

12:02pm Sat 12 Apr 14

POW WOW says...

The council must think this is a armed drone to be able to take anything seriously these days !!!!!!!!!!!
The council must think this is a armed drone to be able to take anything seriously these days !!!!!!!!!!! POW WOW
  • Score: 9

12:29pm Sat 12 Apr 14

HelmshoreBoy says...

This imbecile flies his aircraft when families are using the playing fields and is totally indifferent to their safety. It is obvious as to why he has been banned by the flying club. He has no respect for their rules or other peoples safety. Confiscate his model planes.
This imbecile flies his aircraft when families are using the playing fields and is totally indifferent to their safety. It is obvious as to why he has been banned by the flying club. He has no respect for their rules or other peoples safety. Confiscate his model planes. HelmshoreBoy
  • Score: -8

12:40pm Sat 12 Apr 14

A Darener says...

Unfortunately the council are probably in the right for once. Rules and regulations etc.
Perhaps he should find a local farmer and ask for permission to use his land instead. If it was in sight of the playing fields he could overfly it without risk of police action. I assume the airspace is free of restriction?
Unfortunately the council are probably in the right for once. Rules and regulations etc. Perhaps he should find a local farmer and ask for permission to use his land instead. If it was in sight of the playing fields he could overfly it without risk of police action. I assume the airspace is free of restriction? A Darener
  • Score: 9

12:44pm Sat 12 Apr 14

DoggydogNo1 says...

HelmshoreBoy wrote:
This imbecile flies his aircraft when families are using the playing fields and is totally indifferent to their safety. It is obvious as to why he has been banned by the flying club. He has no respect for their rules or other peoples safety. Confiscate his model planes.
and shot the owners who let there dogs cr@p there and not pick it up!
[quote][p][bold]HelmshoreBoy[/bold] wrote: This imbecile flies his aircraft when families are using the playing fields and is totally indifferent to their safety. It is obvious as to why he has been banned by the flying club. He has no respect for their rules or other peoples safety. Confiscate his model planes.[/p][/quote]and shot the owners who let there dogs cr@p there and not pick it up! DoggydogNo1
  • Score: 5

1:23pm Sat 12 Apr 14

LancsLad92 says...

This is ridiculous this is a 72 year old man who just wants to play with his toy plane, something he has done all his life. Would it be the same if it was a kite? It's just a hobby, just let him fly his plane and leave him alone. If someone else doesn't like where he is flying his plane, there is plenty of air space pretty much everywhere else.

Does this club own these lands?

Just go to the other side of the park. it's not exactly hard. If I was that old gentleman I'd ignore the warning, the Police wouldn't come out for this and even if they did under what act could they lawfully remove him from the premises? So much for a free country, you can't even fly toy planes around anymore without the local government handing out empty threats.
This is ridiculous this is a 72 year old man who just wants to play with his toy plane, something he has done all his life. Would it be the same if it was a kite? It's just a hobby, just let him fly his plane and leave him alone. If someone else doesn't like where he is flying his plane, there is plenty of air space pretty much everywhere else. Does this club own these lands? Just go to the other side of the park. it's not exactly hard. If I was that old gentleman I'd ignore the warning, the Police wouldn't come out for this and even if they did under what act could they lawfully remove him from the premises? So much for a free country, you can't even fly toy planes around anymore without the local government handing out empty threats. LancsLad92
  • Score: 20

2:26pm Sat 12 Apr 14

supertrooper says...

When last was a person killed by a model plane?
There are much bigger risks to your child such as from other dogs and travelling in a car, walking to the park etc.
When last was a person killed by a model plane? There are much bigger risks to your child such as from other dogs and travelling in a car, walking to the park etc. supertrooper
  • Score: 15

6:10pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Legal Beagle says...

"I have taken good legal advice at all stages.”

Or not, as the case may be ...

"In November last year, Deputy District Judge Keith Parr struck out his claim..."
"I have taken good legal advice at all stages.” Or not, as the case may be ... "In November last year, Deputy District Judge Keith Parr struck out his claim..." Legal Beagle
  • Score: 1

6:39pm Sat 12 Apr 14

TheCaveman says...

Yet another example of a waste of public money - clearly the council officials involved in this are short of something to do. A key phrase for me is "council land" - the PEOPLE own council land, NOT the council. The phrase "get a life" springs to mind.
Yet another example of a waste of public money - clearly the council officials involved in this are short of something to do. A key phrase for me is "council land" - the PEOPLE own council land, NOT the council. The phrase "get a life" springs to mind. TheCaveman
  • Score: 4

6:42pm Sat 12 Apr 14

POW WOW says...

If I were that fella I'd build a full scale UFO and fly it to see where takes yer !!!!
If I were that fella I'd build a full scale UFO and fly it to see where takes yer !!!! POW WOW
  • Score: 4

7:51pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Ishy187 says...

I reckon the parties in council pursuing
This old gentleman are related to this club
£3000 of tax payers money, if the flying group have a
Problem with this gentleman then put your hands
In your pocket and take him to court, dont use
Public money to pursue your
vandetta against this man, and yes to those who
Are scared of this plane falling down and killing you
You are 99.9% more likely to kill yourself driving, if you do get
Hit by one of these planes God must love you.
I reckon the parties in council pursuing This old gentleman are related to this club £3000 of tax payers money, if the flying group have a Problem with this gentleman then put your hands In your pocket and take him to court, dont use Public money to pursue your vandetta against this man, and yes to those who Are scared of this plane falling down and killing you You are 99.9% more likely to kill yourself driving, if you do get Hit by one of these planes God must love you. Ishy187
  • Score: 6

8:14pm Sat 12 Apr 14

vicn1956 says...

They used to call them(the council) Little Hitlers.
They used to call them(the council) Little Hitlers. vicn1956
  • Score: 6

8:24pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Excluded again says...

supertrooper wrote:
When last was a person killed by a model plane?
There are much bigger risks to your child such as from other dogs and travelling in a car, walking to the park etc.
The most recent case was this week on 8 April when a 13 year old girl was killed in Kent after being struck on the head by a model airplane.
[quote][p][bold]supertrooper[/bold] wrote: When last was a person killed by a model plane? There are much bigger risks to your child such as from other dogs and travelling in a car, walking to the park etc.[/p][/quote]The most recent case was this week on 8 April when a 13 year old girl was killed in Kent after being struck on the head by a model airplane. Excluded again
  • Score: 12

8:42pm Sat 12 Apr 14

ChiRho says...

So the council have an "exclusive" agreement with BDMAC... What happens when a council citizen for whatever reason cannot join BDMAC ? Is there no provision for this ? Can the council guarantee BDMAC membership to an individual applicant ?

Another **** up.

The council should have rules\regulations for these clubs and anyone wishing to start a club that abides by the rules\regulations should be allowed to do so. The council have created a monopoly for the BDMAC and have no control over who can join... Their duty is to all citizens not just those the BDMAC like to have as members.
So the council have an "exclusive" agreement with BDMAC... What happens when a council citizen for whatever reason cannot join BDMAC ? Is there no provision for this ? Can the council guarantee BDMAC membership to an individual applicant ? Another **** up. The council should have rules\regulations for these clubs and anyone wishing to start a club that abides by the rules\regulations should be allowed to do so. The council have created a monopoly for the BDMAC and have no control over who can join... Their duty is to all citizens not just those the BDMAC like to have as members. ChiRho
  • Score: 2

8:48pm Sat 12 Apr 14

adamdesk says...

keith parr? why did he struck out the claim?
keith parr? why did he struck out the claim? adamdesk
  • Score: 3

9:17pm Sat 12 Apr 14

pdb951 says...

What the hell is wrong with this stupid council is it as I suspect they are short of something to do.
Lets get these councils out and rid ourselves of these idiots
What the hell is wrong with this stupid council is it as I suspect they are short of something to do. Lets get these councils out and rid ourselves of these idiots pdb951
  • Score: 2

9:31pm Sat 12 Apr 14

bburnrover. says...

Takes his yacht round the world but his plane to Pleasington!!Can he not fly his plane from his boat and give us all a rest and then the council wouldn't have to spend our money trying to bring him down to earth.
Takes his yacht round the world but his plane to Pleasington!!Can he not fly his plane from his boat and give us all a rest and then the council wouldn't have to spend our money trying to bring him down to earth. bburnrover.
  • Score: -8

10:25pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Lancs - pensioner says...

Come on old mate, do what everyone else does with BWDC, get the brown envelope out end of problem, simples.
Come on old mate, do what everyone else does with BWDC, get the brown envelope out end of problem, simples. Lancs - pensioner
  • Score: -1

10:31pm Sat 12 Apr 14

happycyclist says...

Excluded again wrote:
supertrooper wrote:
When last was a person killed by a model plane?
There are much bigger risks to your child such as from other dogs and travelling in a car, walking to the park etc.
The most recent case was this week on 8 April when a 13 year old girl was killed in Kent after being struck on the head by a model airplane.
"The most recent case..." You make it sound like someone is killed every week by a model aeroplane. You're being absolutely ridiculous. Dogs and cars are FAR bigger dangers to children than model aeroplanes and you know it.
I'm not going to bother, but a Google search would probably find recent cases of people being killed by plant pots falling off balconies, Lego getting lodged in kids' throats and killing them, people tripping up over hedgehogs and a thousand other idiotic random deaths, If model aeroplanes were THAT much of a risk they'd be banned altogether.
[quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]supertrooper[/bold] wrote: When last was a person killed by a model plane? There are much bigger risks to your child such as from other dogs and travelling in a car, walking to the park etc.[/p][/quote]The most recent case was this week on 8 April when a 13 year old girl was killed in Kent after being struck on the head by a model airplane.[/p][/quote]"The most recent case..." You make it sound like someone is killed every week by a model aeroplane. You're being absolutely ridiculous. Dogs and cars are FAR bigger dangers to children than model aeroplanes and you know it. I'm not going to bother, but a Google search would probably find recent cases of people being killed by plant pots falling off balconies, Lego getting lodged in kids' throats and killing them, people tripping up over hedgehogs and a thousand other idiotic random deaths, If model aeroplanes were THAT much of a risk they'd be banned altogether. happycyclist
  • Score: 8

10:35pm Sat 12 Apr 14

HarryBosch says...

Well, despite my earlier invite, nobody from BDMAC has chose to enlighten usas to why this guy was rrefused membership.
My own observations on the subject are these :-
the flying of model aircraft, whilst seen as harmless fun, does need certain rules in order for it to be safe. A quick search of the Internet reveals AT LEAST 3 deaths caused by out of control model aircraft in the last ten years. There are problems which can arise which the ordinary Joe, like me or you, wouldn't appreciate. For example different controllers operating there models on the same frequency, which can lead to loss of control. Therefore, there has to be an element of governance over the use of these things. Yes the area is owned by the council, and therefore by the residents of the borough, but imagine if twenty football teams turned up on a Saturday afternoon to play and they hadn't arranged it in advance?
I think BwDBC have got it right. They have said that you need to be a member of the local model aircraft club in order to use the playing fields and that leaves BDMAC to sort out the logistics taking the financial burden away from BwDBC.
The council are right on this occasion.
Well, despite my earlier invite, nobody from BDMAC has chose to enlighten usas to why this guy was rrefused membership. My own observations on the subject are these :- the flying of model aircraft, whilst seen as harmless fun, does need certain rules in order for it to be safe. A quick search of the Internet reveals AT LEAST 3 deaths caused by out of control model aircraft in the last ten years. There are problems which can arise which the ordinary Joe, like me or you, wouldn't appreciate. For example different controllers operating there models on the same frequency, which can lead to loss of control. Therefore, there has to be an element of governance over the use of these things. Yes the area is owned by the council, and therefore by the residents of the borough, but imagine if twenty football teams turned up on a Saturday afternoon to play and they hadn't arranged it in advance? I think BwDBC have got it right. They have said that you need to be a member of the local model aircraft club in order to use the playing fields and that leaves BDMAC to sort out the logistics taking the financial burden away from BwDBC. The council are right on this occasion. HarryBosch
  • Score: 5

10:53pm Sat 12 Apr 14

psch says...

The council are definitely in the wrong here, if the little boys in the club don't allow free access to be a member then the club should be banned from flying.
Simple way to resolve the situation
The council are definitely in the wrong here, if the little boys in the club don't allow free access to be a member then the club should be banned from flying. Simple way to resolve the situation psch
  • Score: 6

11:01pm Sat 12 Apr 14

icannotrace says...

happycyclist wrote:
Excluded again wrote:
supertrooper wrote:
When last was a person killed by a model plane?
There are much bigger risks to your child such as from other dogs and travelling in a car, walking to the park etc.
The most recent case was this week on 8 April when a 13 year old girl was killed in Kent after being struck on the head by a model airplane.
"The most recent case..." You make it sound like someone is killed every week by a model aeroplane. You're being absolutely ridiculous. Dogs and cars are FAR bigger dangers to children than model aeroplanes and you know it.
I'm not going to bother, but a Google search would probably find recent cases of people being killed by plant pots falling off balconies, Lego getting lodged in kids' throats and killing them, people tripping up over hedgehogs and a thousand other idiotic random deaths, If model aeroplanes were THAT much of a risk they'd be banned altogether.
It's all about risk mitigation. You don't see many cars careering across playing fields where members of the public assume they are safe. Likewise there are laws regarding dogs in public places (admittedly not followed by certain people and difficult to enforce).
MIchael Parkinson, reading between the lines, is a serial nutcase who has been rejected membership of a club he helped to form
[quote][p][bold]happycyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]supertrooper[/bold] wrote: When last was a person killed by a model plane? There are much bigger risks to your child such as from other dogs and travelling in a car, walking to the park etc.[/p][/quote]The most recent case was this week on 8 April when a 13 year old girl was killed in Kent after being struck on the head by a model airplane.[/p][/quote]"The most recent case..." You make it sound like someone is killed every week by a model aeroplane. You're being absolutely ridiculous. Dogs and cars are FAR bigger dangers to children than model aeroplanes and you know it. I'm not going to bother, but a Google search would probably find recent cases of people being killed by plant pots falling off balconies, Lego getting lodged in kids' throats and killing them, people tripping up over hedgehogs and a thousand other idiotic random deaths, If model aeroplanes were THAT much of a risk they'd be banned altogether.[/p][/quote]It's all about risk mitigation. You don't see many cars careering across playing fields where members of the public assume they are safe. Likewise there are laws regarding dogs in public places (admittedly not followed by certain people and difficult to enforce). MIchael Parkinson, reading between the lines, is a serial nutcase who has been rejected membership of a club he helped to form icannotrace
  • Score: -3

11:04pm Sat 12 Apr 14

fannystrim says...

it only takes an accident with the controls and they cause serious damage to a member of the public

fly them over fishmoor reservoir instead
it only takes an accident with the controls and they cause serious damage to a member of the public fly them over fishmoor reservoir instead fannystrim
  • Score: -1

11:13pm Sat 12 Apr 14

Malthus says...

There two sides to every story as it states “Mr Parkinson has previously initiated court proceedings against both the club and Blackburn Council. Both cases have been legally dismissed by the courts.” Mr Parkinson also states “I admit I can be awkward but I would happily rejoin the club and pursue my complaints about the way they run the use of the field within it." It does make you feel that this is a storm in a teacup and that there is a major part of this story that is being left unreported.. Perhaps the Telegraph should report all sides of this story and then give the public the opportunity to make up their minds based on all of the facts being reported in an objective manner.
There two sides to every story as it states “Mr Parkinson has previously initiated court proceedings against both the club and Blackburn Council. Both cases have been legally dismissed by the courts.” Mr Parkinson also states “I admit I can be awkward but I would happily rejoin the club and pursue my complaints about the way they run the use of the field within it." It does make you feel that this is a storm in a teacup and that there is a major part of this story that is being left unreported.. Perhaps the Telegraph should report all sides of this story and then give the public the opportunity to make up their minds based on all of the facts being reported in an objective manner. Malthus
  • Score: 13

12:33am Sun 13 Apr 14

Steven11 says...

HelmshoreBoy wrote:
This imbecile flies his aircraft when families are using the playing fields and is totally indifferent to their safety. It is obvious as to why he has been banned by the flying club. He has no respect for their rules or other peoples safety. Confiscate his model planes.
HelmshoreBoy, have you ever been to Blackburn in your life , or ever been to Whitton park . Thought not . These air crafts are flown in a field , quite remote , with not much danger to anyone .
[quote][p][bold]HelmshoreBoy[/bold] wrote: This imbecile flies his aircraft when families are using the playing fields and is totally indifferent to their safety. It is obvious as to why he has been banned by the flying club. He has no respect for their rules or other peoples safety. Confiscate his model planes.[/p][/quote]HelmshoreBoy, have you ever been to Blackburn in your life , or ever been to Whitton park . Thought not . These air crafts are flown in a field , quite remote , with not much danger to anyone . Steven11
  • Score: 0

5:48am Sun 13 Apr 14

HelmshoreBoy says...

Steven11 wrote:
HelmshoreBoy wrote:
This imbecile flies his aircraft when families are using the playing fields and is totally indifferent to their safety. It is obvious as to why he has been banned by the flying club. He has no respect for their rules or other peoples safety. Confiscate his model planes.
HelmshoreBoy, have you ever been to Blackburn in your life , or ever been to Whitton park . Thought not . These air crafts are flown in a field , quite remote , with not much danger to anyone .
Yes on both points and I'm glad I don't live there!
[quote][p][bold]Steven11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HelmshoreBoy[/bold] wrote: This imbecile flies his aircraft when families are using the playing fields and is totally indifferent to their safety. It is obvious as to why he has been banned by the flying club. He has no respect for their rules or other peoples safety. Confiscate his model planes.[/p][/quote]HelmshoreBoy, have you ever been to Blackburn in your life , or ever been to Whitton park . Thought not . These air crafts are flown in a field , quite remote , with not much danger to anyone .[/p][/quote]Yes on both points and I'm glad I don't live there! HelmshoreBoy
  • Score: -1

6:45am Sun 13 Apr 14

Excluded again says...

happycyclist wrote:
Excluded again wrote:
supertrooper wrote:
When last was a person killed by a model plane?
There are much bigger risks to your child such as from other dogs and travelling in a car, walking to the park etc.
The most recent case was this week on 8 April when a 13 year old girl was killed in Kent after being struck on the head by a model airplane.
"The most recent case..." You make it sound like someone is killed every week by a model aeroplane. You're being absolutely ridiculous. Dogs and cars are FAR bigger dangers to children than model aeroplanes and you know it.
I'm not going to bother, but a Google search would probably find recent cases of people being killed by plant pots falling off balconies, Lego getting lodged in kids' throats and killing them, people tripping up over hedgehogs and a thousand other idiotic random deaths, If model aeroplanes were THAT much of a risk they'd be banned altogether.
The question was when was the last person killed by a model airplane. That was the question I answered.

The question of whether model airplanes or cars are more dangerous is an interesting one. I have no idea. Of course, cars kill far more children. There are 32 million cars in the UK and hundreds of millions of car journeys every year. How many model airplanes are there? More people are killed crossing the road than sky-diving but would anyone seriously argue that sky-diving was therefore safer.

You'll get no argument from me (as a car driver) that road safety laws should be far more rigourously enforced. But that does not mean the risks of other dangerous activities in public places should not be managed.
[quote][p][bold]happycyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]supertrooper[/bold] wrote: When last was a person killed by a model plane? There are much bigger risks to your child such as from other dogs and travelling in a car, walking to the park etc.[/p][/quote]The most recent case was this week on 8 April when a 13 year old girl was killed in Kent after being struck on the head by a model airplane.[/p][/quote]"The most recent case..." You make it sound like someone is killed every week by a model aeroplane. You're being absolutely ridiculous. Dogs and cars are FAR bigger dangers to children than model aeroplanes and you know it. I'm not going to bother, but a Google search would probably find recent cases of people being killed by plant pots falling off balconies, Lego getting lodged in kids' throats and killing them, people tripping up over hedgehogs and a thousand other idiotic random deaths, If model aeroplanes were THAT much of a risk they'd be banned altogether.[/p][/quote]The question was when was the last person killed by a model airplane. That was the question I answered. The question of whether model airplanes or cars are more dangerous is an interesting one. I have no idea. Of course, cars kill far more children. There are 32 million cars in the UK and hundreds of millions of car journeys every year. How many model airplanes are there? More people are killed crossing the road than sky-diving but would anyone seriously argue that sky-diving was therefore safer. You'll get no argument from me (as a car driver) that road safety laws should be far more rigourously enforced. But that does not mean the risks of other dangerous activities in public places should not be managed. Excluded again
  • Score: 6

11:44am Sun 13 Apr 14

vicn1956 says...

There's a headline every other day about people being decapitated by model aeroplanes. BAN THEM ALL.
There's a headline every other day about people being decapitated by model aeroplanes. BAN THEM ALL. vicn1956
  • Score: -5

12:24pm Sun 13 Apr 14

Lancs - pensioner says...

vicn1956 wrote:
There's a headline every other day about people being decapitated by model aeroplanes. BAN THEM ALL.
Could you point one such headline in any paper, I'd like to read it or did you just make this up, every other day seems a slight exaggeration .
[quote][p][bold]vicn1956[/bold] wrote: There's a headline every other day about people being decapitated by model aeroplanes. BAN THEM ALL.[/p][/quote]Could you point one such headline in any paper, I'd like to read it or did you just make this up, every other day seems a slight exaggeration . Lancs - pensioner
  • Score: 5

12:43pm Sun 13 Apr 14

gary689 says...

this guy sounds like the kind of idiot who starts flying his plane on a sunday morning bang on 12 o'clock even if a football match hasn't quite finished endangering the people on the field.
this guy sounds like the kind of idiot who starts flying his plane on a sunday morning bang on 12 o'clock even if a football match hasn't quite finished endangering the people on the field. gary689
  • Score: 0

12:54pm Sun 13 Apr 14

happycyclist says...

Excluded again wrote:
happycyclist wrote:
Excluded again wrote:
supertrooper wrote:
When last was a person killed by a model plane?
There are much bigger risks to your child such as from other dogs and travelling in a car, walking to the park etc.
The most recent case was this week on 8 April when a 13 year old girl was killed in Kent after being struck on the head by a model airplane.
"The most recent case..." You make it sound like someone is killed every week by a model aeroplane. You're being absolutely ridiculous. Dogs and cars are FAR bigger dangers to children than model aeroplanes and you know it.
I'm not going to bother, but a Google search would probably find recent cases of people being killed by plant pots falling off balconies, Lego getting lodged in kids' throats and killing them, people tripping up over hedgehogs and a thousand other idiotic random deaths, If model aeroplanes were THAT much of a risk they'd be banned altogether.
The question was when was the last person killed by a model airplane. That was the question I answered.

The question of whether model airplanes or cars are more dangerous is an interesting one. I have no idea. Of course, cars kill far more children. There are 32 million cars in the UK and hundreds of millions of car journeys every year. How many model airplanes are there? More people are killed crossing the road than sky-diving but would anyone seriously argue that sky-diving was therefore safer.

You'll get no argument from me (as a car driver) that road safety laws should be far more rigourously enforced. But that does not mean the risks of other dangerous activities in public places should not be managed.
"More people are killed crossing the road than sky-diving but would anyone seriously argue that sky-diving was therefore safer?" Plenty of living sky-divers could argue that with dead pedestrians... if the dead pedestrians were alive, that is.
I seriously doubt that even you could find on the internet, an example of a sky-diver being run over by a car.
[quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]happycyclist[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]supertrooper[/bold] wrote: When last was a person killed by a model plane? There are much bigger risks to your child such as from other dogs and travelling in a car, walking to the park etc.[/p][/quote]The most recent case was this week on 8 April when a 13 year old girl was killed in Kent after being struck on the head by a model airplane.[/p][/quote]"The most recent case..." You make it sound like someone is killed every week by a model aeroplane. You're being absolutely ridiculous. Dogs and cars are FAR bigger dangers to children than model aeroplanes and you know it. I'm not going to bother, but a Google search would probably find recent cases of people being killed by plant pots falling off balconies, Lego getting lodged in kids' throats and killing them, people tripping up over hedgehogs and a thousand other idiotic random deaths, If model aeroplanes were THAT much of a risk they'd be banned altogether.[/p][/quote]The question was when was the last person killed by a model airplane. That was the question I answered. The question of whether model airplanes or cars are more dangerous is an interesting one. I have no idea. Of course, cars kill far more children. There are 32 million cars in the UK and hundreds of millions of car journeys every year. How many model airplanes are there? More people are killed crossing the road than sky-diving but would anyone seriously argue that sky-diving was therefore safer. You'll get no argument from me (as a car driver) that road safety laws should be far more rigourously enforced. But that does not mean the risks of other dangerous activities in public places should not be managed.[/p][/quote]"More people are killed crossing the road than sky-diving but would anyone seriously argue that sky-diving was therefore safer?" Plenty of living sky-divers could argue that with dead pedestrians... if the dead pedestrians were alive, that is. I seriously doubt that even you could find on the internet, an example of a sky-diver being run over by a car. happycyclist
  • Score: 2

1:43pm Sun 13 Apr 14

RoverLion says...

I'm surprised that local residents have not placed a nuisance complain against these people for the noise they make. Also, surely these models are disturbing natural habitats protected under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981.

Once I was on the receiving end of abuse from a member of the model aircraft club as I accidentally walked across "their" area.

Whilst they have an agreement to use the area, their models fly over the whole of the park and over where people are using for recreation, which is what the sports fields are for.

Yes, the club is insured, but this will be too late when a member of the public is injured, or worse. Surely the BwD council have a duty of care over the public using the Pleasington.
I'm surprised that local residents have not placed a nuisance complain against these people for the noise they make. Also, surely these models are disturbing natural habitats protected under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981. Once I was on the receiving end of abuse from a member of the model aircraft club as I accidentally walked across "their" area. Whilst they have an agreement to use the area, their models fly over the whole of the park and over where people are using for recreation, which is what the sports fields are for. Yes, the club is insured, but this will be too late when a member of the public is injured, or worse. Surely the BwD council have a duty of care over the public using the Pleasington. RoverLion
  • Score: 2

2:48pm Sun 13 Apr 14

vicn1956 says...

Calm down I was being ironic.
Calm down I was being ironic. vicn1956
  • Score: 1

3:17pm Sun 13 Apr 14

unleash your potential says...

HarryBosch wrote:
Well, despite my earlier invite, nobody from BDMAC has chose to enlighten usas to why this guy was rrefused membership.
My own observations on the subject are these :-
the flying of model aircraft, whilst seen as harmless fun, does need certain rules in order for it to be safe. A quick search of the Internet reveals AT LEAST 3 deaths caused by out of control model aircraft in the last ten years. There are problems which can arise which the ordinary Joe, like me or you, wouldn't appreciate. For example different controllers operating there models on the same frequency, which can lead to loss of control. Therefore, there has to be an element of governance over the use of these things. Yes the area is owned by the council, and therefore by the residents of the borough, but imagine if twenty football teams turned up on a Saturday afternoon to play and they hadn't arranged it in advance?
I think BwDBC have got it right. They have said that you need to be a member of the local model aircraft club in order to use the playing fields and that leaves BDMAC to sort out the logistics taking the financial burden away from BwDBC.
The council are right on this occasion.
What people need to realise is that Pleasington playing fields are the most extensively used sports facility in the borough.

There are several quite large football leagues that use the facilities from September to end of April and then the weekend and Midweek Cricket Leagues use the facilities from May to end of August.

The football and cricket leagues pay a lot of money to "hire" the pitches from the council to play their respective sports.
The Plane club (BDMAC) has use of Pleasington throughout the year during permitted hours, and pay a nominal fee to do this.

Indeed on Sundays the weekend cricket league needs to give up some of the best pitches so the plane club can fly. This is not ideal.

Additionally, there are hundreds of dog walkers who use this facilities daily and also people who jog or walk through the playing fields - therefore, flying planes randomly could be quite dangerous and needs to be done in a controlled and planned manner - Obviously, there is more than adequate provision to fly planes via the BDMAC - who are already impinging upon the time allocated to football and cricket.

Therefore, the Council is totally right in making sure that people don't just turn up and start flying planes randomly - as it could be quite dangerous and most possibly the playing fields are booked up for football or cricket or the BDMAC.

These facilities are over stretched already, as I know that the football and cricket leagues have to squeeze their matches in (often teams are playing double headers( on both Saturday and Sunday), to make sure all fixtures are completed - before they have to make way for their counterparts eg Football to Cricket, and then Cricket to Football.

At least the BDMAC have the luxury of flying all year round and during bank holidays as well.Therefore, the facility to fly planes is more than adequate. Indeed, many feel that they have a disproportionate amount of time compared to Football and cricket.

I hope that gives people a better idea of why the council is not allowing mavericks like Mr parkinson to just turn up and start flying his planes. They need to manage these already overstreched facilities in the best way they can. Mr. Parkinson needs to resolve his differences with the BDMAC and fly with that club during permitted times.!!!
[quote][p][bold]HarryBosch[/bold] wrote: Well, despite my earlier invite, nobody from BDMAC has chose to enlighten usas to why this guy was rrefused membership. My own observations on the subject are these :- the flying of model aircraft, whilst seen as harmless fun, does need certain rules in order for it to be safe. A quick search of the Internet reveals AT LEAST 3 deaths caused by out of control model aircraft in the last ten years. There are problems which can arise which the ordinary Joe, like me or you, wouldn't appreciate. For example different controllers operating there models on the same frequency, which can lead to loss of control. Therefore, there has to be an element of governance over the use of these things. Yes the area is owned by the council, and therefore by the residents of the borough, but imagine if twenty football teams turned up on a Saturday afternoon to play and they hadn't arranged it in advance? I think BwDBC have got it right. They have said that you need to be a member of the local model aircraft club in order to use the playing fields and that leaves BDMAC to sort out the logistics taking the financial burden away from BwDBC. The council are right on this occasion.[/p][/quote]What people need to realise is that Pleasington playing fields are the most extensively used sports facility in the borough. There are several quite large football leagues that use the facilities from September to end of April and then the weekend and Midweek Cricket Leagues use the facilities from May to end of August. The football and cricket leagues pay a lot of money to "hire" the pitches from the council to play their respective sports. The Plane club (BDMAC) has use of Pleasington throughout the year during permitted hours, and pay a nominal fee to do this. Indeed on Sundays the weekend cricket league needs to give up some of the best pitches so the plane club can fly. This is not ideal. Additionally, there are hundreds of dog walkers who use this facilities daily and also people who jog or walk through the playing fields - therefore, flying planes randomly could be quite dangerous and needs to be done in a controlled and planned manner - Obviously, there is more than adequate provision to fly planes via the BDMAC - who are already impinging upon the time allocated to football and cricket. Therefore, the Council is totally right in making sure that people don't just turn up and start flying planes randomly - as it could be quite dangerous and most possibly the playing fields are booked up for football or cricket or the BDMAC. These facilities are over stretched already, as I know that the football and cricket leagues have to squeeze their matches in (often teams are playing double headers( on both Saturday and Sunday), to make sure all fixtures are completed - before they have to make way for their counterparts eg Football to Cricket, and then Cricket to Football. At least the BDMAC have the luxury of flying all year round and during bank holidays as well.Therefore, the facility to fly planes is more than adequate. Indeed, many feel that they have a disproportionate amount of time compared to Football and cricket. I hope that gives people a better idea of why the council is not allowing mavericks like Mr parkinson to just turn up and start flying his planes. They need to manage these already overstreched facilities in the best way they can. Mr. Parkinson needs to resolve his differences with the BDMAC and fly with that club during permitted times.!!! unleash your potential
  • Score: 7

12:37am Mon 14 Apr 14

Cimbri says...

vicn1956 wrote:
Calm down I was being ironic.
What?
Have you got a permit to fly your irony around here, with so many people about?
[quote][p][bold]vicn1956[/bold] wrote: Calm down I was being ironic.[/p][/quote]What? Have you got a permit to fly your irony around here, with so many people about? Cimbri
  • Score: 2

1:59am Mon 14 Apr 14

ColdCountry says...

I took my Iront out for a airing , But it was just too heavy to get it off the ground
I took my Iront out for a airing , But it was just too heavy to get it off the ground ColdCountry
  • Score: -4

11:33am Mon 14 Apr 14

vicn1956 says...

I formed an ironic society. I became factual for a while. When I wanted to return they wouldn't let me back in the club.
I formed an ironic society. I became factual for a while. When I wanted to return they wouldn't let me back in the club. vicn1956
  • Score: -3

3:22pm Mon 14 Apr 14

boynesider says...

good to see council tax put to good use...lol
good to see council tax put to good use...lol boynesider
  • Score: 2

4:39pm Mon 14 Apr 14

thoroughbred says...

who gives a flying f**k...?
they should go well away from playing fields anyway, it's dangerous and could kill a cricketer or 2. Get up Sunnybower huge expanse of free space, no 'players'
who gives a flying f**k...? they should go well away from playing fields anyway, it's dangerous and could kill a cricketer or 2. Get up Sunnybower huge expanse of free space, no 'players' thoroughbred
  • Score: 0

7:21pm Mon 14 Apr 14

OnePostThenTheOther says...

For years on end these model aeroplane children have been disturbing the peace with their noisy two-stroke and jet-engined toys. Isn't it about time they were found somewhere else to play and give the park goers and local residents a long-awaited break from their incessant cacophony?
Nobody wants to work all week then listen to that racket non-stop for hours on end at a weekend.
For years on end these model aeroplane children have been disturbing the peace with their noisy two-stroke and jet-engined toys. Isn't it about time they were found somewhere else to play and give the park goers and local residents a long-awaited break from their incessant cacophony? Nobody wants to work all week then listen to that racket non-stop for hours on end at a weekend. OnePostThenTheOther
  • Score: 2

8:31pm Mon 14 Apr 14

Blackburn citizen245 says...

As a member of the Blackburn model club, I would like to say the following, the signs at the field clearly state, that the two fields on either side of the road, have been designated for use by model aircraft within certain times of the day and certain days off the week. I don't know Mr Parkinson, but as long as he turned up with the correct insurance which is supplied by the BMFA. Signs donot say that you must be a member of the club to fly as long as you have got permission to use the land, which the signs clearly states times and days, his insurance is valid. I do believe that there might have been a problem in the past with this gentleman, but at the end of the day if he had insurance, he should be able to fly. Blackburn council have clearly stated to me that the only place in Blackburn to fly legally is at the designated areas in Blackburn.

On a second note, dog walkers, if these fields have been booked for use by either the model club or a sports club, if you are walking your dog over the areas that have been paid for then you are in the wrong, not the people already using the field.

Third note, as for the models being so called dangerous, would you walk towards a moving car on the M6 in the fast lane. Would you put your hand in a burning flame, no you would not, so don't blame the models in the air blame yourself for putting yourself in harm's way. A plastic fork can be used to kill someone, but none have been banned yet.
As a member of the Blackburn model club, I would like to say the following, the signs at the field clearly state, that the two fields on either side of the road, have been designated for use by model aircraft within certain times of the day and certain days off the week. I don't know Mr Parkinson, but as long as he turned up with the correct insurance which is supplied by the BMFA. Signs donot say that you must be a member of the club to fly as long as you have got permission to use the land, which the signs clearly states times and days, his insurance is valid. I do believe that there might have been a problem in the past with this gentleman, but at the end of the day if he had insurance, he should be able to fly. Blackburn council have clearly stated to me that the only place in Blackburn to fly legally is at the designated areas in Blackburn. On a second note, dog walkers, if these fields have been booked for use by either the model club or a sports club, if you are walking your dog over the areas that have been paid for then you are in the wrong, not the people already using the field. Third note, as for the models being so called dangerous, would you walk towards a moving car on the M6 in the fast lane. Would you put your hand in a burning flame, no you would not, so don't blame the models in the air blame yourself for putting yourself in harm's way. A plastic fork can be used to kill someone, but none have been banned yet. Blackburn citizen245
  • Score: 1

7:57am Tue 15 Apr 14

A Darener says...

Re the above comments about safety.
A remote controlled model aircraft is only as good as its operator or electronics. Both can go wrong and they are left with an uncontrolled flying brick. Which as gravity dictates will come hurtling down to earth at a great rate of knots. Anybody in the way of that " brick" are going to be in danger irrespective of how observant they are. Nobody is constantly watching the sky for out of control aircraft. But it is a risk that anybody walking in the area whilst planes are flying does so at their own risk if the operators are flying within the stated hours.
Re the above comments about safety. A remote controlled model aircraft is only as good as its operator or electronics. Both can go wrong and they are left with an uncontrolled flying brick. Which as gravity dictates will come hurtling down to earth at a great rate of knots. Anybody in the way of that " brick" are going to be in danger irrespective of how observant they are. Nobody is constantly watching the sky for out of control aircraft. But it is a risk that anybody walking in the area whilst planes are flying does so at their own risk if the operators are flying within the stated hours. A Darener
  • Score: 2

11:10am Tue 15 Apr 14

Blackburn citizen245 says...

A Darener wrote:
Re the above comments about safety.
A remote controlled model aircraft is only as good as its operator or electronics. Both can go wrong and they are left with an uncontrolled flying brick. Which as gravity dictates will come hurtling down to earth at a great rate of knots. Anybody in the way of that " brick" are going to be in danger irrespective of how observant they are. Nobody is constantly watching the sky for out of control aircraft. But it is a risk that anybody walking in the area whilst planes are flying does so at their own risk if the operators are flying within the stated hours.
As stated by the darener, the model is only as good/safe as its operator and the condition that the model is kept in, but as with all things mechanical somethings things happen and there can be mechanical faults, that can't be foreseen, down at blackburn it is club policy that until you have passed a basic flight test which is endorsed by the BMFA that person can not fly unattended. In normal flying conditions even the people who have passed there basic test always ensure that there is someone watching the areas around the flyer.

I myself have been bitten on the leg from a dog which was not on a lead, the bite in turn made me crash my model. The damage to my model was quite expensive but did the lady stay and offer any help or apologize, No she did not, she picked her dog up ran back to the car and drove off very quickly without saying a word. On another occasion a person was walking very close to the flying line, my model was landed and the person came over shouting why was he told to walk away from the flying area, firstly it was explained to him the reason for the conversation that we had the rite to fly there and for his own safety it would be better to walk round the back of the flyer and not right in front of me. This person then attacked me by pushing me around say that he had every right to be there and he could do as he pleased.

The attack might have been a one off but abuse from the public is a everyday thing. We have come to live with the attitudes of these people, but it is these people who seem to complain get there storeys in the paper and make the modelers look like the bad guys in the situation.
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: Re the above comments about safety. A remote controlled model aircraft is only as good as its operator or electronics. Both can go wrong and they are left with an uncontrolled flying brick. Which as gravity dictates will come hurtling down to earth at a great rate of knots. Anybody in the way of that " brick" are going to be in danger irrespective of how observant they are. Nobody is constantly watching the sky for out of control aircraft. But it is a risk that anybody walking in the area whilst planes are flying does so at their own risk if the operators are flying within the stated hours.[/p][/quote]As stated by the darener, the model is only as good/safe as its operator and the condition that the model is kept in, but as with all things mechanical somethings things happen and there can be mechanical faults, that can't be foreseen, down at blackburn it is club policy that until you have passed a basic flight test which is endorsed by the BMFA that person can not fly unattended. In normal flying conditions even the people who have passed there basic test always ensure that there is someone watching the areas around the flyer. I myself have been bitten on the leg from a dog which was not on a lead, the bite in turn made me crash my model. The damage to my model was quite expensive but did the lady stay and offer any help or apologize, No she did not, she picked her dog up ran back to the car and drove off very quickly without saying a word. On another occasion a person was walking very close to the flying line, my model was landed and the person came over shouting why was he told to walk away from the flying area, firstly it was explained to him the reason for the conversation that we had the rite to fly there and for his own safety it would be better to walk round the back of the flyer and not right in front of me. This person then attacked me by pushing me around say that he had every right to be there and he could do as he pleased. The attack might have been a one off but abuse from the public is a everyday thing. We have come to live with the attitudes of these people, but it is these people who seem to complain get there storeys in the paper and make the modelers look like the bad guys in the situation. Blackburn citizen245
  • Score: 3

3:45pm Wed 16 Apr 14

ConcernedOssy says...

HelmshoreBoy wrote:
Steven11 wrote:
HelmshoreBoy wrote:
This imbecile flies his aircraft when families are using the playing fields and is totally indifferent to their safety. It is obvious as to why he has been banned by the flying club. He has no respect for their rules or other peoples safety. Confiscate his model planes.
HelmshoreBoy, have you ever been to Blackburn in your life , or ever been to Whitton park . Thought not . These air crafts are flown in a field , quite remote , with not much danger to anyone .
Yes on both points and I'm glad I don't live there!
See you are still looking for a life Prat
[quote][p][bold]HelmshoreBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steven11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HelmshoreBoy[/bold] wrote: This imbecile flies his aircraft when families are using the playing fields and is totally indifferent to their safety. It is obvious as to why he has been banned by the flying club. He has no respect for their rules or other peoples safety. Confiscate his model planes.[/p][/quote]HelmshoreBoy, have you ever been to Blackburn in your life , or ever been to Whitton park . Thought not . These air crafts are flown in a field , quite remote , with not much danger to anyone .[/p][/quote]Yes on both points and I'm glad I don't live there![/p][/quote]See you are still looking for a life Prat ConcernedOssy
  • Score: 1

4:16pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Concerned1ofmany says...

ConcernedOssy wrote:
HelmshoreBoy wrote:
Steven11 wrote:
HelmshoreBoy wrote:
This imbecile flies his aircraft when families are using the playing fields and is totally indifferent to their safety. It is obvious as to why he has been banned by the flying club. He has no respect for their rules or other peoples safety. Confiscate his model planes.
HelmshoreBoy, have you ever been to Blackburn in your life , or ever been to Whitton park . Thought not . These air crafts are flown in a field , quite remote , with not much danger to anyone .
Yes on both points and I'm glad I don't live there!
See you are still looking for a life Prat
its Witton Park, Not WHITTON
[quote][p][bold]ConcernedOssy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HelmshoreBoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Steven11[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HelmshoreBoy[/bold] wrote: This imbecile flies his aircraft when families are using the playing fields and is totally indifferent to their safety. It is obvious as to why he has been banned by the flying club. He has no respect for their rules or other peoples safety. Confiscate his model planes.[/p][/quote]HelmshoreBoy, have you ever been to Blackburn in your life , or ever been to Whitton park . Thought not . These air crafts are flown in a field , quite remote , with not much danger to anyone .[/p][/quote]Yes on both points and I'm glad I don't live there![/p][/quote]See you are still looking for a life Prat[/p][/quote]its Witton Park, Not WHITTON Concerned1ofmany
  • Score: 0

4:16pm Wed 16 Apr 14

A Darener says...

They are not flown in a remote area but over the whole of the playing fields. Take offs are just left and right of the main road before the pavilion. Landings could be anywhere within the boundary of the Park.
They are not flown in a remote area but over the whole of the playing fields. Take offs are just left and right of the main road before the pavilion. Landings could be anywhere within the boundary of the Park. A Darener
  • Score: 2

4:33pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Blackburn citizen245 says...

A Darener wrote:
They are not flown in a remote area but over the whole of the playing fields. Take offs are just left and right of the main road before the pavilion. Landings could be anywhere within the boundary of the Park.
Dear sir,

I think you should get your facts right before condemning the club, the club is split into two sides on either side of the road. one side model planes and on the other model helicopters. On both sides of the road there are strict rules which dictate where and when a model aircraft can take off and land, yes even landings have rules a model can just not land where it's wants with the boundary of the park as you put it. only time a model will not land from where it has taken off is when they're might be a possible MECHANICAL failure
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: They are not flown in a remote area but over the whole of the playing fields. Take offs are just left and right of the main road before the pavilion. Landings could be anywhere within the boundary of the Park.[/p][/quote]Dear sir, I think you should get your facts right before condemning the club, the club is split into two sides on either side of the road. one side model planes and on the other model helicopters. On both sides of the road there are strict rules which dictate where and when a model aircraft can take off and land, yes even landings have rules a model can just not land where it's wants with the boundary of the park as you put it. only time a model will not land from where it has taken off is when they're might be a possible MECHANICAL failure Blackburn citizen245
  • Score: -2

5:27pm Wed 16 Apr 14

A Darener says...

My facts are perfectly "right". I said both sides left and right. Is that not what you say? As for landings, any aircraft can come down anywhere on the park subject to malfunction, which I apologise for not making clear. I also did not differentiate between aeroplanes and helicopters. Both of which could hurt somebody if they are hit.
As for condemning the club! Where do I do that? I like watching them fly myself, they are a beautiful sight when doing their stunts. All I was pointing out was that they can be dangerous. But so can crossing the road.
My facts are perfectly "right". I said both sides left and right. Is that not what you say? As for landings, any aircraft can come down anywhere on the park subject to malfunction, which I apologise for not making clear. I also did not differentiate between aeroplanes and helicopters. Both of which could hurt somebody if they are hit. As for condemning the club! Where do I do that? I like watching them fly myself, they are a beautiful sight when doing their stunts. All I was pointing out was that they can be dangerous. But so can crossing the road. A Darener
  • Score: 0

5:46pm Wed 16 Apr 14

Blackburn citizen245 says...

A Darener wrote:
My facts are perfectly "right". I said both sides left and right. Is that not what you say? As for landings, any aircraft can come down anywhere on the park subject to malfunction, which I apologise for not making clear. I also did not differentiate between aeroplanes and helicopters. Both of which could hurt somebody if they are hit.
As for condemning the club! Where do I do that? I like watching them fly myself, they are a beautiful sight when doing their stunts. All I was pointing out was that they can be dangerous. But so can crossing the road.
far comment and I apologize for jumping the gun, but your first statement could have been read that there is no control and organization involved in the flying and landing of model aircraft, as you state later they are quite beautiful when flown by a good pilot. I am just fed up with so-called do gooders and there dogs, making a fuss over something they know nothing about, one final point I would like to make its that it isthe council that dictated where we are allowed and not allowed to fly. we fly at pleasington sports field, this is not classed as a public park it's a sports centre where the pitches have to be booked a paid for to use the field. how many dog walkers have paid the council to walk and use the pitches to let there dogs have a wee and mainly poo which many don't even clean up after themselves. Witton it's a public park where they can walk wherever they want to and on the bonus side there are no model aircraft flying they're. no models no complaining
[quote][p][bold]A Darener[/bold] wrote: My facts are perfectly "right". I said both sides left and right. Is that not what you say? As for landings, any aircraft can come down anywhere on the park subject to malfunction, which I apologise for not making clear. I also did not differentiate between aeroplanes and helicopters. Both of which could hurt somebody if they are hit. As for condemning the club! Where do I do that? I like watching them fly myself, they are a beautiful sight when doing their stunts. All I was pointing out was that they can be dangerous. But so can crossing the road.[/p][/quote]far comment and I apologize for jumping the gun, but your first statement could have been read that there is no control and organization involved in the flying and landing of model aircraft, as you state later they are quite beautiful when flown by a good pilot. I am just fed up with so-called do gooders and there dogs, making a fuss over something they know nothing about, one final point I would like to make its that it isthe council that dictated where we are allowed and not allowed to fly. we fly at pleasington sports field, this is not classed as a public park it's a sports centre where the pitches have to be booked a paid for to use the field. how many dog walkers have paid the council to walk and use the pitches to let there dogs have a wee and mainly poo which many don't even clean up after themselves. Witton it's a public park where they can walk wherever they want to and on the bonus side there are no model aircraft flying they're. no models no complaining Blackburn citizen245
  • Score: -2

3:28pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Blackburn citizen245 says...

to all concerned, please disregard all post I have put on this page.

regards,

a very naffed off Blackburn Citizen.
to all concerned, please disregard all post I have put on this page. regards, a very naffed off Blackburn Citizen. Blackburn citizen245
  • Score: -1

8:09am Sun 20 Apr 14

Tony the terrier says...

I think these TOYS should be banned from Pleasington playing fields during funeral times. Last year we buried my brother who was fifty three after he commited suicide and my elderly mother attended his burial at Pleasington. Throughout the whole of the ceremony this grown up kids toy was buzzing around our heads making it impossible for my mother to hear a thing the priest was saying. On the way back past these morons I stopped the car and was in no mood to put up with anything from them but because it was my brothers funeral I simply said have you no respect flying them bloody things over funerals. I am sure many others have had the same problem. They need to be A) banned B) burned and the embers shoved where the sun dosen't shine.
I think these TOYS should be banned from Pleasington playing fields during funeral times. Last year we buried my brother who was fifty three after he commited suicide and my elderly mother attended his burial at Pleasington. Throughout the whole of the ceremony this grown up kids toy was buzzing around our heads making it impossible for my mother to hear a thing the priest was saying. On the way back past these morons I stopped the car and was in no mood to put up with anything from them but because it was my brothers funeral I simply said have you no respect flying them bloody things over funerals. I am sure many others have had the same problem. They need to be A) banned B) burned and the embers shoved where the sun dosen't shine. Tony the terrier
  • Score: 2

12:17pm Mon 28 Apr 14

carole1227 says...

I agree with Tony the terrier. Same thing happened to us during a funeral. The idiot was not flying over the field but literally over the cemetery distressing many attending the service. The noise of the plane also drowned out the words of the vicar. Totally disrespectful. And for those of you disagreeing, lets see if you change your mind when the same situation has happened to you.
I agree with Tony the terrier. Same thing happened to us during a funeral. The idiot was not flying over the field but literally over the cemetery distressing many attending the service. The noise of the plane also drowned out the words of the vicar. Totally disrespectful. And for those of you disagreeing, lets see if you change your mind when the same situation has happened to you. carole1227
  • Score: 2

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