Bolton Council paid out £10 million to former employees over last 5 years

This Is Lancashire: Bolton Town Hall Bolton Town Hall

ALMOST £10 million has been paid out to former employees of Bolton Council over the past five years, new figures have revealed.

The Bolton News has obtained data which shows the authority has spent £9,735,000 to 1,095 staff who left the council under a voluntary severance or redundancy agreement since 2008 — an average of £8,890 each.

The most payouts were handed out between April, 2011 and March, 2012, when £4.92 million was paid out.

Bolton Council cut its expenditure by more than £100 million since 2011, resulting in the loss of 1,350 jobs, and has been told it has to save £63 million between 2015 and 2018.

Bernadette Gallagher, Bolton Unison branch secretary, said the figures were “worrying”, but added they recognised the council was working within an agenda set up by Whitehall ministers.

She said: “Bolton Unison is opposed in principle to wholesale cuts within Bolton Council.

"People can see with their own eyes that job losses and cuts to frontline services are having a detrimental effect on our town.

"The loss of local jobs has a direct impact on the town’s economy affecting not only local businesses but also young people who are leaving education with fewer prospects.

“We know that this will get harder and harder as time goes on if the council continues to make deeper and deeper cuts.”

A Freedom of Information request from The Bolton News also showed 382 people have been dismissed from the council since 2008, for reasons including failed probation periods and medical incapacity.

A spokesman for Bolton Council said: “Statutorily, people in posts that are made redundant are entitled to a payment which is calculated using a matrix based on age and length of service.

Staff who take severance and leave the council voluntarily, are also awarded a payment based on length of service, allowing the council to remove their post and make savings sooner.

“Given that the workforce comprises over 5,000 people, the number of dismissals from the council is relatively small, and has remained fairly constant over recent years.

"However, precise numbers inevitably fluctuate from year to year.

"As with standard accountancy practice we have allocated reserves to make some one-off money to fund these costs, thus enabling us to achieve the savings needed to meet our challenging budget targets.”

Deputy council leader Cllr Linda Thomas said: “The council has lost about 1,300 posts as part of saving £100m.

"This has been delivered through voluntary redundancy & severance so while costing a one-off sum of £10m has saved much more every year.”

Opposition have their say

OPPOSITION leaders in Bolton have had their say over the redundancy figures.

Tory group leader Cllr David Greenhalgh said: “There’s nothing wrong if someone wants to take redundancy and fits all the criteria.

“But I have concerns that with the number of people we are losing there is the likelihood of a ‘brain drain’ from the council.

“I’m also concerned that people have taken redundancy and then come back as paid agency staff.”

Liberal Democrat leader Cllr Roger Hayes said: “I’ve got mixed feelings — on the one hand it’s council taxpayers money, but on the other hand many of the employees would have had a very long service with the council, and we’ve managed to make the redundancies so far without any compulsory redundancies.

“Without seeing a further breakdown of the figures I can’t comment on the payouts to individuals.”

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9:58am Thu 10 Apr 14

Gore Seer says...

All This Is Know History, Fire Brigade,Police, NHS, Anything Gov, Gets Money Thrown At Them, Its Just A Form Of Controlling, Now Hundreds Of Millions £, Spent On Stacking Flu Drugs, That Are Useless, Probably End Up Being Destroyed, Then Another Fortune Being Spent On New Useless Flu Drugs, Now Thats News.
All This Is Know History, Fire Brigade,Police, NHS, Anything Gov, Gets Money Thrown At Them, Its Just A Form Of Controlling, Now Hundreds Of Millions £, Spent On Stacking Flu Drugs, That Are Useless, Probably End Up Being Destroyed, Then Another Fortune Being Spent On New Useless Flu Drugs, Now Thats News. Gore Seer
  • Score: -10

9:58am Thu 10 Apr 14

Gore Seer says...

All This Is Know History, Fire Brigade,Police, NHS, Anything Gov, Gets Money Thrown At Them, Its Just A Form Of Controlling, Now Hundreds Of Millions £, Spent On Stacking Flu Drugs, That Are Useless, Probably End Up Being Destroyed, Then Another Fortune Being Spent On New Useless Flu Drugs, Now Thats News.
All This Is Know History, Fire Brigade,Police, NHS, Anything Gov, Gets Money Thrown At Them, Its Just A Form Of Controlling, Now Hundreds Of Millions £, Spent On Stacking Flu Drugs, That Are Useless, Probably End Up Being Destroyed, Then Another Fortune Being Spent On New Useless Flu Drugs, Now Thats News. Gore Seer
  • Score: -2

10:17am Thu 10 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

Yes, cutbacks really do save money don't they!!!!!!!!
Yes, cutbacks really do save money don't they!!!!!!!! Jim271
  • Score: 6

10:31am Thu 10 Apr 14

filthy6 says...

Likelihood of a ‘brain drain’ from the council.....?
Likelihood of a ‘brain drain’ from the council.....? filthy6
  • Score: 10

10:32am Thu 10 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Normal business practice so nothing wrong in this!!!

It seems the BN are trying to create a stir in a practice that ALL companies have to abide by!

Good example is Bolton Wanderers still paying Owen Coyle his severance pay, even though he took a job with Wigan Athletic!!!
Normal business practice so nothing wrong in this!!! It seems the BN are trying to create a stir in a practice that ALL companies have to abide by! Good example is Bolton Wanderers still paying Owen Coyle his severance pay, even though he took a job with Wigan Athletic!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: 10

10:49am Thu 10 Apr 14

thomas222 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Normal business practice so nothing wrong in this!!!

It seems the BN are trying to create a stir in a practice that ALL companies have to abide by!

Good example is Bolton Wanderers still paying Owen Coyle his severance pay, even though he took a job with Wigan Athletic!!!
Not similar at all... BWFC paid that out of their company profits if they made any while this is the taxpayers money.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Normal business practice so nothing wrong in this!!! It seems the BN are trying to create a stir in a practice that ALL companies have to abide by! Good example is Bolton Wanderers still paying Owen Coyle his severance pay, even though he took a job with Wigan Athletic!!![/p][/quote]Not similar at all... BWFC paid that out of their company profits if they made any while this is the taxpayers money. thomas222
  • Score: -5

10:51am Thu 10 Apr 14

Hulton Park says...

"Given that the workforce comprises over 5,000 people, the number of dismissals from the council is relatively small."

382 people being dismissed FOR INCAPACITY over just six years is around 7.5% of the workforce.

I wouldn't call that a "small" proportion!
"Given that the workforce comprises over 5,000 people, the number of dismissals from the council is relatively small." 382 people being dismissed FOR INCAPACITY over just six years is around 7.5% of the workforce. I wouldn't call that a "small" proportion! Hulton Park
  • Score: 4

10:57am Thu 10 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Normal business practice so nothing wrong in this!!!

It seems the BN are trying to create a stir in a practice that ALL companies have to abide by!

Good example is Bolton Wanderers still paying Owen Coyle his severance pay, even though he took a job with Wigan Athletic!!!
Not similar at all... BWFC paid that out of their company profits if they made any while this is the taxpayers money.
Yes Normal business practice,

throw people on the scrap heap to save money because you have to help your banker friends.

Then cut any benefits they may be entitled to even though they paid into the system. re employ them on zero hours contracts or replace them with cheap foreign labour.

Nothing very LIBERAL about that is there!!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Normal business practice so nothing wrong in this!!! It seems the BN are trying to create a stir in a practice that ALL companies have to abide by! Good example is Bolton Wanderers still paying Owen Coyle his severance pay, even though he took a job with Wigan Athletic!!![/p][/quote]Not similar at all... BWFC paid that out of their company profits if they made any while this is the taxpayers money.[/p][/quote]Yes Normal business practice, throw people on the scrap heap to save money because you have to help your banker friends. Then cut any benefits they may be entitled to even though they paid into the system. re employ them on zero hours contracts or replace them with cheap foreign labour. Nothing very LIBERAL about that is there!!!! Jim271
  • Score: -8

11:18am Thu 10 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Normal business practice so nothing wrong in this!!!

It seems the BN are trying to create a stir in a practice that ALL companies have to abide by!

Good example is Bolton Wanderers still paying Owen Coyle his severance pay, even though he took a job with Wigan Athletic!!!
Not similar at all... BWFC paid that out of their company profits if they made any while this is the taxpayers money.
What company profits??? Haven't you heard that Bolton wanderers are 160million in the red!

As it is are you actually wanting Bolton Council to break the law?

If you were ever made redundant wouldn't you expect a pay-off?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Normal business practice so nothing wrong in this!!! It seems the BN are trying to create a stir in a practice that ALL companies have to abide by! Good example is Bolton Wanderers still paying Owen Coyle his severance pay, even though he took a job with Wigan Athletic!!![/p][/quote]Not similar at all... BWFC paid that out of their company profits if they made any while this is the taxpayers money.[/p][/quote]What company profits??? Haven't you heard that Bolton wanderers are 160million in the red! As it is are you actually wanting Bolton Council to break the law? If you were ever made redundant wouldn't you expect a pay-off? The Righteous One
  • Score: 6

11:44am Thu 10 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Jim271 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Normal business practice so nothing wrong in this!!!

It seems the BN are trying to create a stir in a practice that ALL companies have to abide by!

Good example is Bolton Wanderers still paying Owen Coyle his severance pay, even though he took a job with Wigan Athletic!!!
Not similar at all... BWFC paid that out of their company profits if they made any while this is the taxpayers money.
Yes Normal business practice,

throw people on the scrap heap to save money because you have to help your banker friends.

Then cut any benefits they may be entitled to even though they paid into the system. re employ them on zero hours contracts or replace them with cheap foreign labour.

Nothing very LIBERAL about that is there!!!!
It is normal practice during times of austerity when a budget has been so much that jobs have to be lost otherwise the council would have gone bankrupt - which would have meant Bury, Wigan or Salford taking over the town!!!

But like any company, whether private or public, when redundancies occur payments have to be made all dependent upon role and length of service!

Funnily enough Bolton Council does not operate any Zero Hours contracts and as they are an equal opportunities employer they employ the best person for the job whether they are from Bolton, or not!!!
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Normal business practice so nothing wrong in this!!! It seems the BN are trying to create a stir in a practice that ALL companies have to abide by! Good example is Bolton Wanderers still paying Owen Coyle his severance pay, even though he took a job with Wigan Athletic!!![/p][/quote]Not similar at all... BWFC paid that out of their company profits if they made any while this is the taxpayers money.[/p][/quote]Yes Normal business practice, throw people on the scrap heap to save money because you have to help your banker friends. Then cut any benefits they may be entitled to even though they paid into the system. re employ them on zero hours contracts or replace them with cheap foreign labour. Nothing very LIBERAL about that is there!!!![/p][/quote]It is normal practice during times of austerity when a budget has been so much that jobs have to be lost otherwise the council would have gone bankrupt - which would have meant Bury, Wigan or Salford taking over the town!!! But like any company, whether private or public, when redundancies occur payments have to be made all dependent upon role and length of service! Funnily enough Bolton Council does not operate any Zero Hours contracts and as they are an equal opportunities employer they employ the best person for the job whether they are from Bolton, or not!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: 5

12:40pm Thu 10 Apr 14

boltonnut says...

My brother was made redundant by the council but he never got a penny because he was hired through an agency.Just wondering if all the 10 mill. is being accounted for??????. Certain members of council seem to have the knack of making money disappear.
My brother was made redundant by the council but he never got a penny because he was hired through an agency.Just wondering if all the 10 mill. is being accounted for??????. Certain members of council seem to have the knack of making money disappear. boltonnut
  • Score: 5

1:30pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Boltonresident2012 says...

boltonnut wrote:
My brother was made redundant by the council but he never got a penny because he was hired through an agency.Just wondering if all the 10 mill. is being accounted for??????. Certain members of council seem to have the knack of making money disappear.
similar with a mate of mine - the changed the job and said it couldn't be redundancy because they had changed it - he won in the end though!
[quote][p][bold]boltonnut[/bold] wrote: My brother was made redundant by the council but he never got a penny because he was hired through an agency.Just wondering if all the 10 mill. is being accounted for??????. Certain members of council seem to have the knack of making money disappear.[/p][/quote]similar with a mate of mine - the changed the job and said it couldn't be redundancy because they had changed it - he won in the end though! Boltonresident2012
  • Score: 0

1:38pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Chrome1 says...

Headline's a bit misleading isn't it? When you pay redundancy it's not to former employees. I originally thought it was ex-staff being paid as consultants or something. To the guy whose brother was let go when he was on agency; that's how the cookie crumbles mate. The agency is the employer, not the council.
Headline's a bit misleading isn't it? When you pay redundancy it's not to former employees. I originally thought it was ex-staff being paid as consultants or something. To the guy whose brother was let go when he was on agency; that's how the cookie crumbles mate. The agency is the employer, not the council. Chrome1
  • Score: 6

1:39pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Jim271 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Normal business practice so nothing wrong in this!!!

It seems the BN are trying to create a stir in a practice that ALL companies have to abide by!

Good example is Bolton Wanderers still paying Owen Coyle his severance pay, even though he took a job with Wigan Athletic!!!
Not similar at all... BWFC paid that out of their company profits if they made any while this is the taxpayers money.
Yes Normal business practice,

throw people on the scrap heap to save money because you have to help your banker friends.

Then cut any benefits they may be entitled to even though they paid into the system. re employ them on zero hours contracts or replace them with cheap foreign labour.

Nothing very LIBERAL about that is there!!!!
It is normal practice during times of austerity when a budget has been so much that jobs have to be lost otherwise the council would have gone bankrupt - which would have meant Bury, Wigan or Salford taking over the town!!!

But like any company, whether private or public, when redundancies occur payments have to be made all dependent upon role and length of service!

Funnily enough Bolton Council does not operate any Zero Hours contracts and as they are an equal opportunities employer they employ the best person for the job whether they are from Bolton, or not!!!
The voice of the new Liberal Democratic Party

I am all right JACK.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Normal business practice so nothing wrong in this!!! It seems the BN are trying to create a stir in a practice that ALL companies have to abide by! Good example is Bolton Wanderers still paying Owen Coyle his severance pay, even though he took a job with Wigan Athletic!!![/p][/quote]Not similar at all... BWFC paid that out of their company profits if they made any while this is the taxpayers money.[/p][/quote]Yes Normal business practice, throw people on the scrap heap to save money because you have to help your banker friends. Then cut any benefits they may be entitled to even though they paid into the system. re employ them on zero hours contracts or replace them with cheap foreign labour. Nothing very LIBERAL about that is there!!!![/p][/quote]It is normal practice during times of austerity when a budget has been so much that jobs have to be lost otherwise the council would have gone bankrupt - which would have meant Bury, Wigan or Salford taking over the town!!! But like any company, whether private or public, when redundancies occur payments have to be made all dependent upon role and length of service! Funnily enough Bolton Council does not operate any Zero Hours contracts and as they are an equal opportunities employer they employ the best person for the job whether they are from Bolton, or not!!![/p][/quote]The voice of the new Liberal Democratic Party I am all right JACK. Jim271
  • Score: -2

1:44pm Thu 10 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Boltonresident2012 wrote:
boltonnut wrote:
My brother was made redundant by the council but he never got a penny because he was hired through an agency.Just wondering if all the 10 mill. is being accounted for??????. Certain members of council seem to have the knack of making money disappear.
similar with a mate of mine - the changed the job and said it couldn't be redundancy because they had changed it - he won in the end though!
Temporary staff/agency staff have no say when it comes to redundancy due to the fact the contracts they are on can be terminated at any time! Temp staff are always the first to go during times of austerity, due to the fact it is easier to do so and doesn't cost any extra.

If a job changes but the personnel doesn't then that person was right to take it further because that comes under constructive dismissal (which is basically no redundancy payment) but is illegal to do!!!
[quote][p][bold]Boltonresident2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boltonnut[/bold] wrote: My brother was made redundant by the council but he never got a penny because he was hired through an agency.Just wondering if all the 10 mill. is being accounted for??????. Certain members of council seem to have the knack of making money disappear.[/p][/quote]similar with a mate of mine - the changed the job and said it couldn't be redundancy because they had changed it - he won in the end though![/p][/quote]Temporary staff/agency staff have no say when it comes to redundancy due to the fact the contracts they are on can be terminated at any time! Temp staff are always the first to go during times of austerity, due to the fact it is easier to do so and doesn't cost any extra. If a job changes but the personnel doesn't then that person was right to take it further because that comes under constructive dismissal (which is basically no redundancy payment) but is illegal to do!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: 0

1:54pm Thu 10 Apr 14

magic dragon says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Normal business practice so nothing wrong in this!!!

It seems the BN are trying to create a stir in a practice that ALL companies have to abide by!

Good example is Bolton Wanderers still paying Owen Coyle his severance pay, even though he took a job with Wigan Athletic!!!
Not similar at all... BWFC paid that out of their company profits if they made any while this is the taxpayers money.
Yes Normal business practice,

throw people on the scrap heap to save money because you have to help your banker friends.

Then cut any benefits they may be entitled to even though they paid into the system. re employ them on zero hours contracts or replace them with cheap foreign labour.

Nothing very LIBERAL about that is there!!!!
It is normal practice during times of austerity when a budget has been so much that jobs have to be lost otherwise the council would have gone bankrupt - which would have meant Bury, Wigan or Salford taking over the town!!!

But like any company, whether private or public, when redundancies occur payments have to be made all dependent upon role and length of service!

Funnily enough Bolton Council does not operate any Zero Hours contracts and as they are an equal opportunities employer they employ the best person for the job whether they are from Bolton, or not!!!
Not true. Bolton Council employ care workers on zero hours contracts.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Normal business practice so nothing wrong in this!!! It seems the BN are trying to create a stir in a practice that ALL companies have to abide by! Good example is Bolton Wanderers still paying Owen Coyle his severance pay, even though he took a job with Wigan Athletic!!![/p][/quote]Not similar at all... BWFC paid that out of their company profits if they made any while this is the taxpayers money.[/p][/quote]Yes Normal business practice, throw people on the scrap heap to save money because you have to help your banker friends. Then cut any benefits they may be entitled to even though they paid into the system. re employ them on zero hours contracts or replace them with cheap foreign labour. Nothing very LIBERAL about that is there!!!![/p][/quote]It is normal practice during times of austerity when a budget has been so much that jobs have to be lost otherwise the council would have gone bankrupt - which would have meant Bury, Wigan or Salford taking over the town!!! But like any company, whether private or public, when redundancies occur payments have to be made all dependent upon role and length of service! Funnily enough Bolton Council does not operate any Zero Hours contracts and as they are an equal opportunities employer they employ the best person for the job whether they are from Bolton, or not!!![/p][/quote]Not true. Bolton Council employ care workers on zero hours contracts. magic dragon
  • Score: -1

2:09pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Boltonresident2012 says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Boltonresident2012 wrote:
boltonnut wrote:
My brother was made redundant by the council but he never got a penny because he was hired through an agency.Just wondering if all the 10 mill. is being accounted for??????. Certain members of council seem to have the knack of making money disappear.
similar with a mate of mine - the changed the job and said it couldn't be redundancy because they had changed it - he won in the end though!
Temporary staff/agency staff have no say when it comes to redundancy due to the fact the contracts they are on can be terminated at any time! Temp staff are always the first to go during times of austerity, due to the fact it is easier to do so and doesn't cost any extra.

If a job changes but the personnel doesn't then that person was right to take it further because that comes under constructive dismissal (which is basically no redundancy payment) but is illegal to do!!!
Fair point, but my mate wasn't agency.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boltonresident2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boltonnut[/bold] wrote: My brother was made redundant by the council but he never got a penny because he was hired through an agency.Just wondering if all the 10 mill. is being accounted for??????. Certain members of council seem to have the knack of making money disappear.[/p][/quote]similar with a mate of mine - the changed the job and said it couldn't be redundancy because they had changed it - he won in the end though![/p][/quote]Temporary staff/agency staff have no say when it comes to redundancy due to the fact the contracts they are on can be terminated at any time! Temp staff are always the first to go during times of austerity, due to the fact it is easier to do so and doesn't cost any extra. If a job changes but the personnel doesn't then that person was right to take it further because that comes under constructive dismissal (which is basically no redundancy payment) but is illegal to do!!![/p][/quote]Fair point, but my mate wasn't agency. Boltonresident2012
  • Score: 0

3:36pm Thu 10 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

magic dragon wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Normal business practice so nothing wrong in this!!!

It seems the BN are trying to create a stir in a practice that ALL companies have to abide by!

Good example is Bolton Wanderers still paying Owen Coyle his severance pay, even though he took a job with Wigan Athletic!!!
Not similar at all... BWFC paid that out of their company profits if they made any while this is the taxpayers money.
Yes Normal business practice,

throw people on the scrap heap to save money because you have to help your banker friends.

Then cut any benefits they may be entitled to even though they paid into the system. re employ them on zero hours contracts or replace them with cheap foreign labour.

Nothing very LIBERAL about that is there!!!!
It is normal practice during times of austerity when a budget has been so much that jobs have to be lost otherwise the council would have gone bankrupt - which would have meant Bury, Wigan or Salford taking over the town!!!

But like any company, whether private or public, when redundancies occur payments have to be made all dependent upon role and length of service!

Funnily enough Bolton Council does not operate any Zero Hours contracts and as they are an equal opportunities employer they employ the best person for the job whether they are from Bolton, or not!!!
Not true. Bolton Council employ care workers on zero hours contracts.
No they don't!!!!

The company that operates the department signs them on zero hour contracts and basically it is not Bolton Council that employs them. Also the company involved, as I know the company because a relative has carers, doesn't use Zero Hour contracts but they use temporary/agency staff which means they can dispense with thee person's services at any moment in time!!!
[quote][p][bold]magic dragon[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Normal business practice so nothing wrong in this!!! It seems the BN are trying to create a stir in a practice that ALL companies have to abide by! Good example is Bolton Wanderers still paying Owen Coyle his severance pay, even though he took a job with Wigan Athletic!!![/p][/quote]Not similar at all... BWFC paid that out of their company profits if they made any while this is the taxpayers money.[/p][/quote]Yes Normal business practice, throw people on the scrap heap to save money because you have to help your banker friends. Then cut any benefits they may be entitled to even though they paid into the system. re employ them on zero hours contracts or replace them with cheap foreign labour. Nothing very LIBERAL about that is there!!!![/p][/quote]It is normal practice during times of austerity when a budget has been so much that jobs have to be lost otherwise the council would have gone bankrupt - which would have meant Bury, Wigan or Salford taking over the town!!! But like any company, whether private or public, when redundancies occur payments have to be made all dependent upon role and length of service! Funnily enough Bolton Council does not operate any Zero Hours contracts and as they are an equal opportunities employer they employ the best person for the job whether they are from Bolton, or not!!![/p][/quote]Not true. Bolton Council employ care workers on zero hours contracts.[/p][/quote]No they don't!!!! The company that operates the department signs them on zero hour contracts and basically it is not Bolton Council that employs them. Also the company involved, as I know the company because a relative has carers, doesn't use Zero Hour contracts but they use temporary/agency staff which means they can dispense with thee person's services at any moment in time!!! The Righteous One
  • Score: 3

3:46pm Thu 10 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Jim271 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Normal business practice so nothing wrong in this!!!

It seems the BN are trying to create a stir in a practice that ALL companies have to abide by!

Good example is Bolton Wanderers still paying Owen Coyle his severance pay, even though he took a job with Wigan Athletic!!!
Not similar at all... BWFC paid that out of their company profits if they made any while this is the taxpayers money.
Yes Normal business practice,

throw people on the scrap heap to save money because you have to help your banker friends.

Then cut any benefits they may be entitled to even though they paid into the system. re employ them on zero hours contracts or replace them with cheap foreign labour.

Nothing very LIBERAL about that is there!!!!
It is normal practice during times of austerity when a budget has been so much that jobs have to be lost otherwise the council would have gone bankrupt - which would have meant Bury, Wigan or Salford taking over the town!!!

But like any company, whether private or public, when redundancies occur payments have to be made all dependent upon role and length of service!

Funnily enough Bolton Council does not operate any Zero Hours contracts and as they are an equal opportunities employer they employ the best person for the job whether they are from Bolton, or not!!!
The voice of the new Liberal Democratic Party

I am all right JACK.
Excuse me, Jimbob, A Liberal all-right-jack - how did you ever come to that incorrect conclusion???

Firstly I said nothing about me!!!!

Secondly I just stated as what the law is and what ALL companies, whether public sector or private sector have to abide by, laws that have been introduced by successive Governments since the 1950'ss and tightened up with the EU directives in the 1990's which the UK didn't not opt-out of, although we were given the option!!!

I never said as to whether I agree with it or not - therefore to say what you did in your last post is completely wrong!!!!!! But just for you, I abhor Zero Contracts and would never use them in my own company nor any company I have shares in! But I do know that some people quite like them as it suits their work-life balance. Saying that Temporary contracts are just as bad as staff can be laid off with no notice and no redundancy - whilst at the same time, these two types of contract are actually more expensive for companies!!! But these contracts exist and they exist all over the world, yes even in communist countries such as Cuba, but that is life and nothing to do with politics or this story!
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Normal business practice so nothing wrong in this!!! It seems the BN are trying to create a stir in a practice that ALL companies have to abide by! Good example is Bolton Wanderers still paying Owen Coyle his severance pay, even though he took a job with Wigan Athletic!!![/p][/quote]Not similar at all... BWFC paid that out of their company profits if they made any while this is the taxpayers money.[/p][/quote]Yes Normal business practice, throw people on the scrap heap to save money because you have to help your banker friends. Then cut any benefits they may be entitled to even though they paid into the system. re employ them on zero hours contracts or replace them with cheap foreign labour. Nothing very LIBERAL about that is there!!!![/p][/quote]It is normal practice during times of austerity when a budget has been so much that jobs have to be lost otherwise the council would have gone bankrupt - which would have meant Bury, Wigan or Salford taking over the town!!! But like any company, whether private or public, when redundancies occur payments have to be made all dependent upon role and length of service! Funnily enough Bolton Council does not operate any Zero Hours contracts and as they are an equal opportunities employer they employ the best person for the job whether they are from Bolton, or not!!![/p][/quote]The voice of the new Liberal Democratic Party I am all right JACK.[/p][/quote]Excuse me, Jimbob, A Liberal all-right-jack - how did you ever come to that incorrect conclusion??? Firstly I said nothing about me!!!! Secondly I just stated as what the law is and what ALL companies, whether public sector or private sector have to abide by, laws that have been introduced by successive Governments since the 1950'ss and tightened up with the EU directives in the 1990's which the UK didn't not opt-out of, although we were given the option!!! I never said as to whether I agree with it or not - therefore to say what you did in your last post is completely wrong!!!!!! But just for you, I abhor Zero Contracts and would never use them in my own company nor any company I have shares in! But I do know that some people quite like them as it suits their work-life balance. Saying that Temporary contracts are just as bad as staff can be laid off with no notice and no redundancy - whilst at the same time, these two types of contract are actually more expensive for companies!!! But these contracts exist and they exist all over the world, yes even in communist countries such as Cuba, but that is life and nothing to do with politics or this story! The Righteous One
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3:56pm Thu 10 Apr 14

The Righteous One says...

Boltonresident2012 wrote:
The Righteous One wrote:
Boltonresident2012 wrote:
boltonnut wrote:
My brother was made redundant by the council but he never got a penny because he was hired through an agency.Just wondering if all the 10 mill. is being accounted for??????. Certain members of council seem to have the knack of making money disappear.
similar with a mate of mine - the changed the job and said it couldn't be redundancy because they had changed it - he won in the end though!
Temporary staff/agency staff have no say when it comes to redundancy due to the fact the contracts they are on can be terminated at any time! Temp staff are always the first to go during times of austerity, due to the fact it is easier to do so and doesn't cost any extra.

If a job changes but the personnel doesn't then that person was right to take it further because that comes under constructive dismissal (which is basically no redundancy payment) but is illegal to do!!!
Fair point, but my mate wasn't agency.
Apologies BR - I wasn't trying to presume he/she was.

All I was doing was putting the 2 separate posts into one response.

Basically the job may have changed but you mate was still employed on contract and, as such cannot just be laid off for no reason whatsoever and without redundancy.
[quote][p][bold]Boltonresident2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Boltonresident2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boltonnut[/bold] wrote: My brother was made redundant by the council but he never got a penny because he was hired through an agency.Just wondering if all the 10 mill. is being accounted for??????. Certain members of council seem to have the knack of making money disappear.[/p][/quote]similar with a mate of mine - the changed the job and said it couldn't be redundancy because they had changed it - he won in the end though![/p][/quote]Temporary staff/agency staff have no say when it comes to redundancy due to the fact the contracts they are on can be terminated at any time! Temp staff are always the first to go during times of austerity, due to the fact it is easier to do so and doesn't cost any extra. If a job changes but the personnel doesn't then that person was right to take it further because that comes under constructive dismissal (which is basically no redundancy payment) but is illegal to do!!![/p][/quote]Fair point, but my mate wasn't agency.[/p][/quote]Apologies BR - I wasn't trying to presume he/she was. All I was doing was putting the 2 separate posts into one response. Basically the job may have changed but you mate was still employed on contract and, as such cannot just be laid off for no reason whatsoever and without redundancy. The Righteous One
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6:36pm Thu 10 Apr 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Two words...

Pi$$ funny!
Two words... Pi$$ funny! Beyond News Forum
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7:13pm Thu 10 Apr 14

holloway_david says...

This Labour controlled council are the " Brain Drain" , Money"Drain," " People Drain" and should be reported to the environment agency for pollution of the Bolton atmosphere with the smell of ineptitude.
This Labour controlled council are the " Brain Drain" , Money"Drain," " People Drain" and should be reported to the environment agency for pollution of the Bolton atmosphere with the smell of ineptitude. holloway_david
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