Reinstated bus service once more under threat

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NEW bus service in Edgworth — introduced because of a campaign by residents — is now under threat because of low passenger numbers.

Edgworth folk launched the campaign after it was revealed that the Arriva bus company was to end its 537 service at Bromley Cross in October last year.

The campaign culminated in not-for-profit firm Travel Assist starting a new service, the TA01, in January, between Darwen and Bolton, which has been running on Mondays, Tuesdays and Thursdays.

A second service, TA02, currently runs between Darwen and Bury on Wednesdays, Fridays and Saturdays.

But the firm has said that with a lack of people using the service, it may consider changes such as stopping at Bromley Cross and no longer continuing on to Bolton.

Another option is to have a flexible ring and ride service for residents living in and around the route.

Director of Travel Assist Jim Coulthard said: “We are a not for profit operation but we also have bills to pay, so at the end of the day it is about finding a viable option that works and means the service can pay for itself.”

Mr Coulthard said the key for the firm was to benefit and engage with the community.
Travel Assist wants to hear from residents on what changes they would like to see come in for the service.

He added: “We are a needs led service, but if the service is not being used then it will come to an end, which would be a real shame — we don’t want that, we want to be here for the long haul.”

The firm will have a stall set up at tomorrow’s table top sale at the Barlow in Bolton Road, Edgworth, where it will listen to suggestions.

There will also be a public meeting at the same venue on Monday at 2pm, which will be attended by Turton councillor Colin Rigby.

Rossendale and Darwen MP Jake Berry, who spearheaded the initial campaign to get the route restored said he would be helping to create and distribute a new leaflet asking residents for their input.

He said: “I am determined that the residents of places such as Edgworth, Chapeltown and Turton will not be abandoned — but it is now a case of use it or lose it for this service.

“I would urge people to step up to the challenge and support this service.”

He said he would welcome a ring and ride option but added that a regular bus for the area was essential.

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5:19pm Fri 28 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

To be fair the perfect solution would be a Bolton to Bury service via Edgworth! and register it not only with Blakburn with Darwen Council but also with Bolton Council and the TfGM, as the service is not advertised here in Bolton, not even on the bus stops and there iss no timetable for the services.

They should drop the Darwen bit because that is served by Darwen Coach Services Route 37. And if you just did the Bolton to Bury via Edgworth then you could use route number 565 - which was the old Bolton to Bury route (via Edgworth) before deregulation took place in 1988.
To be fair the perfect solution would be a Bolton to Bury service via Edgworth! and register it not only with Blakburn with Darwen Council but also with Bolton Council and the TfGM, as the service is not advertised here in Bolton, not even on the bus stops and there iss no timetable for the services. They should drop the Darwen bit because that is served by Darwen Coach Services Route 37. And if you just did the Bolton to Bury via Edgworth then you could use route number 565 - which was the old Bolton to Bury route (via Edgworth) before deregulation took place in 1988. BWFC71
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10:38pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Reality50 says...

Common sense would be an Edgworth circular bus that connects hourly with the Entwistle station trains either way. It doesn't take Einstein to work out that would be cheaper and cost effective. The people already have a train station at Entwistle-albeit half a mile walk-but a minibus several times a day to the station and back would make perfect sense. If that isn't feasible then maybe rejig the 510 Bury-Bolton service or the 273 Rawtenstall-Bolton service to include Edgworth,in both cases it would add no more than 10 minutes on either journey via Hawkshaw.
Common sense would be an Edgworth circular bus that connects hourly with the Entwistle station trains either way. It doesn't take Einstein to work out that would be cheaper and cost effective. The people already have a train station at Entwistle-albeit half a mile walk-but a minibus several times a day to the station and back would make perfect sense. If that isn't feasible then maybe rejig the 510 Bury-Bolton service or the 273 Rawtenstall-Bolton service to include Edgworth,in both cases it would add no more than 10 minutes on either journey via Hawkshaw. Reality50
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10:48pm Fri 28 Mar 14

Reality50 says...

The 273 in particular is always altering its route and has extended its route to Burnley in the past before dropping it ,and also Todmorden which lasted about 6 months last year before it was taken off the route. Adding Edgworth to the route would make sense as it would give Edgworth residents direct bus access to Holcombe Brook,Ramsbottom and Rawtenstall as well as Tonge Moor and Bolton. That would be my secondary preference after the minibus link to Entwistle station.
The 273 in particular is always altering its route and has extended its route to Burnley in the past before dropping it ,and also Todmorden which lasted about 6 months last year before it was taken off the route. Adding Edgworth to the route would make sense as it would give Edgworth residents direct bus access to Holcombe Brook,Ramsbottom and Rawtenstall as well as Tonge Moor and Bolton. That would be my secondary preference after the minibus link to Entwistle station. Reality50
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7:02am Sat 29 Mar 14

AndersonSmith says...

Nice information, There is obviously a lot. Your points are very valuable and knowledgeable. Thanks for sharing this great blog with us.
Nice information, There is obviously a lot. Your points are very valuable and knowledgeable. Thanks for sharing this great blog with us. AndersonSmith
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12:24pm Sat 29 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Reaality,

I can see you point with regards to a circular route but it would never work for a number of factors.

1. There is only one road to Entwistle Station and there is definitely no width on that road for a true public service minibus. The other road that used to lead to Entwistle Station has now been blocked off and is dead-end road.

2. There is no turning circle, anymore, at Entwistle station due to the land being owned by the pub and the number of people that already park the cars at the station.

3. The state of the road is in such disrepair that the minibus would be off the road more of less every other week for repairs.

As for re-routing either 273 or 510 then that would have to be at the say-so of the bus operators. As it is 273 is operated by Rosso as a commcerial service (in that they receive no subsidy) during the daytime and for them to extend through Edgworth would probably mean adding an extra bus to the route which would cost mosey - and as it is a commercial service a route is not allowed, by law, to make a loss. If to was to be subsidised then the subsidy would be part paid for by TfGM, Lancashire County Council and Blackburn with Darwen because the route goes through 3 different areas and each one of the transport committees have had their budgets greatly slashed and would not be able to afford to subsidise something like that - as it is they are currently not subsidising the current bus routes through Edgworth. The 510 is operated by First during te daytime, as a commercial operation, and by Arriva in the evenings and Sundays as a subsidised route but to take it away from its major route would create cost which the TfGM and Blackburn with Darwen cannot afford and would mean the use of an extra vehicle to cover the length for the route, which would then affect the route that inter-work with the 510.

As it is Blackburn with Dawen are withdrawing subsidies from over 60% of the network during evenings and Sundays which means withdrawal of te routes just to keep a basic daytime network in place and cannot afford to take on any more daytime routes. Same applies with TfGM who are actually withdrawing 23 subsidies routes from the end of July and curtailing another 30, whilst Lancashire County Council have stopped subsidising any newly withdrawn commercial routes sometime last year and many areas now have no buss route whatsoever because of it!
Reaality, I can see you point with regards to a circular route but it would never work for a number of factors. 1. There is only one road to Entwistle Station and there is definitely no width on that road for a true public service minibus. The other road that used to lead to Entwistle Station has now been blocked off and is dead-end road. 2. There is no turning circle, anymore, at Entwistle station due to the land being owned by the pub and the number of people that already park the cars at the station. 3. The state of the road is in such disrepair that the minibus would be off the road more of less every other week for repairs. As for re-routing either 273 or 510 then that would have to be at the say-so of the bus operators. As it is 273 is operated by Rosso as a commcerial service (in that they receive no subsidy) during the daytime and for them to extend through Edgworth would probably mean adding an extra bus to the route which would cost mosey - and as it is a commercial service a route is not allowed, by law, to make a loss. If to was to be subsidised then the subsidy would be part paid for by TfGM, Lancashire County Council and Blackburn with Darwen because the route goes through 3 different areas and each one of the transport committees have had their budgets greatly slashed and would not be able to afford to subsidise something like that - as it is they are currently not subsidising the current bus routes through Edgworth. The 510 is operated by First during te daytime, as a commercial operation, and by Arriva in the evenings and Sundays as a subsidised route but to take it away from its major route would create cost which the TfGM and Blackburn with Darwen cannot afford and would mean the use of an extra vehicle to cover the length for the route, which would then affect the route that inter-work with the 510. As it is Blackburn with Dawen are withdrawing subsidies from over 60% of the network during evenings and Sundays which means withdrawal of te routes just to keep a basic daytime network in place and cannot afford to take on any more daytime routes. Same applies with TfGM who are actually withdrawing 23 subsidies routes from the end of July and curtailing another 30, whilst Lancashire County Council have stopped subsidising any newly withdrawn commercial routes sometime last year and many areas now have no buss route whatsoever because of it! BWFC71
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12:30pm Sat 29 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Also Entwitsle station is only a request train stop and not a normal train station stop, therefore to catch a train to have to hail the driver when piking up or advise the guard when you want to get off at the station.

To upgrade to a normal stopping station Blackburn with Darwen would have to go through Network Rail and DfT to try to get it upgraded as it is not the responsibility of Blackburn with Darwen.
Also Entwitsle station is only a request train stop and not a normal train station stop, therefore to catch a train to have to hail the driver when piking up or advise the guard when you want to get off at the station. To upgrade to a normal stopping station Blackburn with Darwen would have to go through Network Rail and DfT to try to get it upgraded as it is not the responsibility of Blackburn with Darwen. BWFC71
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12:32pm Wed 2 Apr 14

AndersonSmith says...

The bus service says that they are not a for-profit business. Perhaps they should be; to would then offer an incentive for them to become better.
buy bus tickets online
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The bus service says that they are not a for-profit business. Perhaps they should be; to would then offer an incentive for them to become better. buy bus tickets online http://bus.sgbooking .com AndersonSmith
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