£1 million bid to 'build' a pharaoh's tomb in Bolton

£1 million bid to "build" a pharoah's tomb

£1 million bid to "build" a pharoah's tomb

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BOLTON Museum could become a global attraction after unveiling ambitious plans to house a full-scale reconstruction of the tomb of a great Egyptian Pharaoh.

The burial chamber of Thutmose III forms the centrepiece of a million pound bid being prepared by the museum as part of ambitious proposals to radically redesign Bolton Museum’s Egyptology gallery and turn it into a major attraction.

Jo Lewis, community engagement officer at Bolton Library and Museum Services, said: “It is an exciting time for the museum, this facsimile tomb is the only one in the world and would create a major tourist attraction in Bolton.

"It has the potential to bring people into our town from around the world — there is nothing like it anywhere else.

“This tomb is comparable to the cave paintings, Lascaux II in France, and that is a world tourist site.”

In 2012, Bolton Council was awarded £115,300 lottery grant to develop plans for the gallery which allowed it to apply for a further £1.8 million grant this year.

The museum will find out in September whether its Heritage Lottery Fund bid has been successful.

The initial funding allowed the museum to involve the community in shaping the future of the Egyptian collection.

Staff have also digitally recorded the thousands of pieces which form the collection.

The burial chamber, which was commissioned by United Exhibits Group, features in the Quest for Immortality — The Hidden Treasure of Ancient Egypt in Taiwan.

This is also showcasing pieces from Bolton’s collection.

The museum already houses part of the material used to mummify Thutmose III and fragments of objects found in his tomb.

Miss Lewis said the tomb was not just about death but provided an insight into ancient Egypt and the way they lived and their beliefs.

She added: “It is a really exciting project. This will allow Bolton Museum to compete with the bigger museums.”

The money would also allow the museum to display its Egyptian collection in a more appealing way for all age groups and backgrounds.

Local firms will be involved in the redevelopment of the gallery, as well as those who have worked on design in the British Museum and the children’s museum Eureka!

Ian Trumble, chairman of Bolton Archaeology and Egyptology Society, has been involved in the consultation for the project.

He said: "The redevelopment will allow the collection to be more accessible to a wider audience and to societies like ours.

“The outdated display currently makes it difficult for people to engage with the collections, and subsequently hard for societies and interest groups like BAES to use the galleries and displays.

“We are very excited about the inclusion of the facsimile tomb. It is a one-of a kind and will attract many tourists to the museum. It will set Bolton Museum apart from any other Egyptian gallery in the UK.

“The tomb will complement the important collection, as well as making a dramatic statement and excitement for the visitors.

"Very few of us have the chance to see something like that for real, and from what we understand the facsimile tomb is an amazing copy — you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference.”

The award-winning Quest for Immortality — The Hidden Treasure of Ancient Egypt exhibition is making its way across the Far East.

— will open in China next week.

Featuring about 250 objects from Bolton’s 15,000-strong Egyptology collection, the exhibition attracted more than a million visitors during its tour of Taipei, Taichung and Kaohsiung.

Cllr Anthony Connell, Bolton Council’s cabinet member for culture, said: “We have one of the most significant ancient Egyptian collections in the UK and the gallery is already hugely popular.

“We’re delighted that the Heritage Lottery Fund has recognised its importance and is supporting us to develop ideas in conjunction with the local community in order to enhance the visitor experience and improve access for everyone who wishes to view the collection.

"These ideas will then inform the next stage of the bid.

“We’re very excited about what the future holds for the gallery and museum as it is one of the top visitor attractions in Greater Manchester and this will only further increase the number of visitors to the town.”

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9:03am Sat 22 Mar 14

Delyth says...

"The initial funding allowed the museum to involve the community in shaping the future of the Egyptian collection". Which community? First I've heard of it!
"The initial funding allowed the museum to involve the community in shaping the future of the Egyptian collection". Which community? First I've heard of it! Delyth
  • Score: 10

9:05am Sat 22 Mar 14

JustBecause says...

As long as it's not council money then great, you can visit the tomb, then nip into Bolton town centre, see what an ancient Egyptian high street looked.
As long as it's not council money then great, you can visit the tomb, then nip into Bolton town centre, see what an ancient Egyptian high street looked. JustBecause
  • Score: 42

9:07am Sat 22 Mar 14

JustBecause says...

And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m.

That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)
And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :) JustBecause
  • Score: 19

9:15am Sat 22 Mar 14

JustBecause says...

So they have had £115,000 to develop a plan! And the bid is for £1.8m ? Not £1m

Wow, thats a big budget.
So they have had £115,000 to develop a plan! And the bid is for £1.8m ? Not £1m Wow, thats a big budget. JustBecause
  • Score: 11

9:29am Sat 22 Mar 14

Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent says...

Delyth wrote:
"The initial funding allowed the museum to involve the community in shaping the future of the Egyptian collection". Which community? First I've heard of it!
The local community of course, you are just splitting hairs!
[quote][p][bold]Delyth[/bold] wrote: "The initial funding allowed the museum to involve the community in shaping the future of the Egyptian collection". Which community? First I've heard of it![/p][/quote]The local community of course, you are just splitting hairs! Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent
  • Score: -14

9:31am Sat 22 Mar 14

Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent says...

JustBecause wrote:
And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m.

That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)
If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.
[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)[/p][/quote]If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public. Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent
  • Score: -11

9:33am Sat 22 Mar 14

rostron says...

Global visitors?
When not in museum, hope they know crossing of legs is necessary, as they will not find any toilets to use ! Visitors will not know certain shops MAY allow them to use their facilities. Total joke.
Global visitors? When not in museum, hope they know crossing of legs is necessary, as they will not find any toilets to use ! Visitors will not know certain shops MAY allow them to use their facilities. Total joke. rostron
  • Score: 13

9:39am Sat 22 Mar 14

Boltonresident2012 says...

I think it would be a good fund raiser to have a lottery as to which of our illustrious local leaders should be given the honour of using it ;)
I think it would be a good fund raiser to have a lottery as to which of our illustrious local leaders should be given the honour of using it ;) Boltonresident2012
  • Score: 13

9:59am Sat 22 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

How about they build a reconstruction Bolton of the past then we could remind ourselves what we had before the Labour Council came into power. Nice shops, nice restraunts,nice clean Town safe to go into in the evening, attractions to go to, normal people doing normal things. Labour it seems are totally clueless when it comes to spending other peoples money.
How about they build a reconstruction Bolton of the past then we could remind ourselves what we had before the Labour Council came into power. Nice shops, nice restraunts,nice clean Town safe to go into in the evening, attractions to go to, normal people doing normal things. Labour it seems are totally clueless when it comes to spending other peoples money. thomas222
  • Score: 41

10:03am Sat 22 Mar 14

boydell says...

rostron wrote:
Global visitors?
When not in museum, hope they know crossing of legs is necessary, as they will not find any toilets to use ! Visitors will not know certain shops MAY allow them to use their facilities. Total joke.
perhaps the bolton council should apply for lottery funding also, to build public toilets for all the global visitors we are going to have in Bolton !!
[quote][p][bold]rostron[/bold] wrote: Global visitors? When not in museum, hope they know crossing of legs is necessary, as they will not find any toilets to use ! Visitors will not know certain shops MAY allow them to use their facilities. Total joke.[/p][/quote]perhaps the bolton council should apply for lottery funding also, to build public toilets for all the global visitors we are going to have in Bolton !! boydell
  • Score: 30

10:21am Sat 22 Mar 14

Hulton Park says...

Boltonresident2012 wrote:
I think it would be a good fund raiser to have a lottery as to which of our illustrious local leaders should be given the honour of using it ;)
That might considerably increase the costs, given a substantial extension would be required.
[quote][p][bold]Boltonresident2012[/bold] wrote: I think it would be a good fund raiser to have a lottery as to which of our illustrious local leaders should be given the honour of using it ;)[/p][/quote]That might considerably increase the costs, given a substantial extension would be required. Hulton Park
  • Score: 14

11:02am Sat 22 Mar 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Global visitors?

It is cheaper to go to Egypt from many destinations around the world. Travel costs of leaving this country for a holiday FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR exceed those of other nations.
Global visitors? It is cheaper to go to Egypt from many destinations around the world. Travel costs of leaving this country for a holiday FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR exceed those of other nations. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 14

11:04am Sat 22 Mar 14

Chrome1 says...

JustBecause wrote:
And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m.

That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)
It cost zero pence to build the original in labour costs. All done by slaves of course. I'm looking forward to this. Not bothered by usual moaning brigade on this site. I'm willing to give up my bin collections for a month to fund this even (ooh, did I just mention bin collections?).
[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)[/p][/quote]It cost zero pence to build the original in labour costs. All done by slaves of course. I'm looking forward to this. Not bothered by usual moaning brigade on this site. I'm willing to give up my bin collections for a month to fund this even (ooh, did I just mention bin collections?). Chrome1
  • Score: 10

11:26am Sat 22 Mar 14

Gore Seer says...

rostron wrote:
Global visitors?
When not in museum, hope they know crossing of legs is necessary, as they will not find any toilets to use ! Visitors will not know certain shops MAY allow them to use their facilities. Total joke.
In Winter I Cannot Afford To Use My Heating So I Go Out And Sit In Book Makers, Cheap Drinks And Nice Warm Toilets,I Have Been Tempted To Bet But I Have Not Yet I Told A Friend Where I Go And To My Surprise She Does The Same But In A Different Bookes Perhaps These Global Visitors Could Be Directed To The Towns Bookes They Could Have A Little Flutter, The Global Visitors I See In The Bookes Will Make These Museum Global Visitors Feel At Home.
[quote][p][bold]rostron[/bold] wrote: Global visitors? When not in museum, hope they know crossing of legs is necessary, as they will not find any toilets to use ! Visitors will not know certain shops MAY allow them to use their facilities. Total joke.[/p][/quote]In Winter I Cannot Afford To Use My Heating So I Go Out And Sit In Book Makers, Cheap Drinks And Nice Warm Toilets,I Have Been Tempted To Bet But I Have Not Yet I Told A Friend Where I Go And To My Surprise She Does The Same But In A Different Bookes Perhaps These Global Visitors Could Be Directed To The Towns Bookes They Could Have A Little Flutter, The Global Visitors I See In The Bookes Will Make These Museum Global Visitors Feel At Home. Gore Seer
  • Score: -6

11:39am Sat 22 Mar 14

Ernagy2 says...

rostron wrote:
Global visitors?
When not in museum, hope they know crossing of legs is necessary, as they will not find any toilets to use ! Visitors will not know certain shops MAY allow them to use their facilities. Total joke.
I was there a couple of weeks ago and the toilets were open. The museum has full facilities.
[quote][p][bold]rostron[/bold] wrote: Global visitors? When not in museum, hope they know crossing of legs is necessary, as they will not find any toilets to use ! Visitors will not know certain shops MAY allow them to use their facilities. Total joke.[/p][/quote]I was there a couple of weeks ago and the toilets were open. The museum has full facilities. Ernagy2
  • Score: 22

11:43am Sat 22 Mar 14

Rupert T Bear says...

Gore Seer wrote:
rostron wrote:
Global visitors?
When not in museum, hope they know crossing of legs is necessary, as they will not find any toilets to use ! Visitors will not know certain shops MAY allow them to use their facilities. Total joke.
In Winter I Cannot Afford To Use My Heating So I Go Out And Sit In Book Makers, Cheap Drinks And Nice Warm Toilets,I Have Been Tempted To Bet But I Have Not Yet I Told A Friend Where I Go And To My Surprise She Does The Same But In A Different Bookes Perhaps These Global Visitors Could Be Directed To The Towns Bookes They Could Have A Little Flutter, The Global Visitors I See In The Bookes Will Make These Museum Global Visitors Feel At Home.
...... well that's a valid point really well made!
[quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rostron[/bold] wrote: Global visitors? When not in museum, hope they know crossing of legs is necessary, as they will not find any toilets to use ! Visitors will not know certain shops MAY allow them to use their facilities. Total joke.[/p][/quote]In Winter I Cannot Afford To Use My Heating So I Go Out And Sit In Book Makers, Cheap Drinks And Nice Warm Toilets,I Have Been Tempted To Bet But I Have Not Yet I Told A Friend Where I Go And To My Surprise She Does The Same But In A Different Bookes Perhaps These Global Visitors Could Be Directed To The Towns Bookes They Could Have A Little Flutter, The Global Visitors I See In The Bookes Will Make These Museum Global Visitors Feel At Home.[/p][/quote]...... well that's a valid point really well made! Rupert T Bear
  • Score: 10

11:50am Sat 22 Mar 14

Ernagy2 says...

This to me is good news for the town. We need more tourist attractions as the shopping area will be reduced as people shop on the internet more.

Though many might question whether like the Elgin Marbles the pieces belong to Egypt.

I feel sorry that we can't get anything on Bolton's place in the Civil War - it's like we want to 'bury' (not meant to be a pun) that side of the towns history. All we seem to have to show for it is a wooden stool that the Earl of Derby sat on (which is in the Man and Scythe pub) and even that has been questioned.

We need more things like this in the town to get people spending their money in the shops. I also think we should be spending money on an Exhibition Centre as this would mean we could hold many prestige events which we lose to other towns and cities.
This to me is good news for the town. We need more tourist attractions as the shopping area will be reduced as people shop on the internet more. Though many might question whether like the Elgin Marbles the pieces belong to Egypt. I feel sorry that we can't get anything on Bolton's place in the Civil War - it's like we want to 'bury' (not meant to be a pun) that side of the towns history. All we seem to have to show for it is a wooden stool that the Earl of Derby sat on (which is in the Man and Scythe pub) and even that has been questioned. We need more things like this in the town to get people spending their money in the shops. I also think we should be spending money on an Exhibition Centre as this would mean we could hold many prestige events which we lose to other towns and cities. Ernagy2
  • Score: 20

12:01pm Sat 22 Mar 14

melloj says...

boydell wrote:
rostron wrote:
Global visitors?
When not in museum, hope they know crossing of legs is necessary, as they will not find any toilets to use ! Visitors will not know certain shops MAY allow them to use their facilities. Total joke.
perhaps the bolton council should apply for lottery funding also, to build public toilets for all the global visitors we are going to have in Bolton !!
There are toilets you just have to look for them. I was in there a few weeks ago.
[quote][p][bold]boydell[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rostron[/bold] wrote: Global visitors? When not in museum, hope they know crossing of legs is necessary, as they will not find any toilets to use ! Visitors will not know certain shops MAY allow them to use their facilities. Total joke.[/p][/quote]perhaps the bolton council should apply for lottery funding also, to build public toilets for all the global visitors we are going to have in Bolton !![/p][/quote]There are toilets you just have to look for them. I was in there a few weeks ago. melloj
  • Score: 12

1:10pm Sat 22 Mar 14

JustBecause says...

Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m.

That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)
If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.
Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake.

Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week.

And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money.

What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink....

I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.
[quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)[/p][/quote]If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.[/p][/quote]Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum. JustBecause
  • Score: 3

1:39pm Sat 22 Mar 14

boltonnut says...

I thought Bolton was already a global attraction,it now has every nationality under the sun clamouring to get in.
I thought Bolton was already a global attraction,it now has every nationality under the sun clamouring to get in. boltonnut
  • Score: 20

1:39pm Sat 22 Mar 14

boltonnut says...

I thought Bolton was already a global attraction,it now has every nationality under the sun clamouring to get in.
I thought Bolton was already a global attraction,it now has every nationality under the sun clamouring to get in. boltonnut
  • Score: 8

2:55pm Sat 22 Mar 14

Lancistan says...

Is it going in the basement where the outdated fish-tanks are ?
Is it going in the basement where the outdated fish-tanks are ? Lancistan
  • Score: 5

4:01pm Sat 22 Mar 14

Gill bolton says...

It might be fake bolton council are good at buying fake stuff.
It might be fake bolton council are good at buying fake stuff. Gill bolton
  • Score: 14

4:35pm Sat 22 Mar 14

Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent says...

JustBecause wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m.

That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)
If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.
Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake.

Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week.

And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money.

What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink....

I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.
If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public.
Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research!
[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)[/p][/quote]If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.[/p][/quote]Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.[/p][/quote]If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research! Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent
  • Score: 13

4:44pm Sat 22 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)
If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.
Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.
If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research!
Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any!
[quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)[/p][/quote]If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.[/p][/quote]Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.[/p][/quote]If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research![/p][/quote]Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any! thomas222
  • Score: 3

9:30pm Sat 22 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Thomas222 that is a bit rich considering the amount of information you give out on here, with regards to UKIP, without any links whatsoever!!!

Anyway this does sound good. Bolton has the largest Egyptology collection in Britain, outside London. If it means we can expand on what they already show (2 of the medium sized halls in the upstairs of the building) then that is fantastic. And as been said not one bit fo the Councils money has been spent on this but grants and Heritage funds to help bring back to the pubic the vas collection Bolton has in its vaults.

The best thing that could happen is for the Magistrates Court to move into another building and then expand the museum and library to cover the whole building along Le-Man's Crescent - the police station is already an empty shell since the police moved into their state-of-the-art building at Burnden Park. Then only and only then could we class it as a fantastic exhibition centre. We need to expand on what we currently show. If we could have an exhibition centre like Melbourne Museum - that it would be perfect!
Thomas222 that is a bit rich considering the amount of information you give out on here, with regards to UKIP, without any links whatsoever!!! Anyway this does sound good. Bolton has the largest Egyptology collection in Britain, outside London. If it means we can expand on what they already show (2 of the medium sized halls in the upstairs of the building) then that is fantastic. And as been said not one bit fo the Councils money has been spent on this but grants and Heritage funds to help bring back to the pubic the vas collection Bolton has in its vaults. The best thing that could happen is for the Magistrates Court to move into another building and then expand the museum and library to cover the whole building along Le-Man's Crescent - the police station is already an empty shell since the police moved into their state-of-the-art building at Burnden Park. Then only and only then could we class it as a fantastic exhibition centre. We need to expand on what we currently show. If we could have an exhibition centre like Melbourne Museum - that it would be perfect! BWFC71
  • Score: -52

7:16am Sun 23 Mar 14

Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Thomas222 that is a bit rich considering the amount of information you give out on here, with regards to UKIP, without any links whatsoever!!!

Anyway this does sound good. Bolton has the largest Egyptology collection in Britain, outside London. If it means we can expand on what they already show (2 of the medium sized halls in the upstairs of the building) then that is fantastic. And as been said not one bit fo the Councils money has been spent on this but grants and Heritage funds to help bring back to the pubic the vas collection Bolton has in its vaults.

The best thing that could happen is for the Magistrates Court to move into another building and then expand the museum and library to cover the whole building along Le-Man's Crescent - the police station is already an empty shell since the police moved into their state-of-the-art building at Burnden Park. Then only and only then could we class it as a fantastic exhibition centre. We need to expand on what we currently show. If we could have an exhibition centre like Melbourne Museum - that it would be perfect!
BWFC71 It would seem that the voice of reason does not apply here as you have got 27 thumbs down. Thank you for pointing out the obvious regarding links. I don't think it would be practical to take over all of Le Mans Crescent, though although it would be great. Some Social Services staff are next door to the Museum and the court if purpose built. There are still a few police around too, probably in the court bit. Nothing has been said either about the museums halls, Hall i'th' Wood and Smithills which get decent numbers of tourists both local and international. I was once in Hall i'th' Wood when a large group of Japanese people arrived.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Thomas222 that is a bit rich considering the amount of information you give out on here, with regards to UKIP, without any links whatsoever!!! Anyway this does sound good. Bolton has the largest Egyptology collection in Britain, outside London. If it means we can expand on what they already show (2 of the medium sized halls in the upstairs of the building) then that is fantastic. And as been said not one bit fo the Councils money has been spent on this but grants and Heritage funds to help bring back to the pubic the vas collection Bolton has in its vaults. The best thing that could happen is for the Magistrates Court to move into another building and then expand the museum and library to cover the whole building along Le-Man's Crescent - the police station is already an empty shell since the police moved into their state-of-the-art building at Burnden Park. Then only and only then could we class it as a fantastic exhibition centre. We need to expand on what we currently show. If we could have an exhibition centre like Melbourne Museum - that it would be perfect![/p][/quote]BWFC71 It would seem that the voice of reason does not apply here as you have got 27 thumbs down. Thank you for pointing out the obvious regarding links. I don't think it would be practical to take over all of Le Mans Crescent, though although it would be great. Some Social Services staff are next door to the Museum and the court if purpose built. There are still a few police around too, probably in the court bit. Nothing has been said either about the museums halls, Hall i'th' Wood and Smithills which get decent numbers of tourists both local and international. I was once in Hall i'th' Wood when a large group of Japanese people arrived. Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent
  • Score: 7

7:17am Sun 23 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Thomas222 that is a bit rich considering the amount of information you give out on here, with regards to UKIP, without any links whatsoever!!! Anyway this does sound good. Bolton has the largest Egyptology collection in Britain, outside London. If it means we can expand on what they already show (2 of the medium sized halls in the upstairs of the building) then that is fantastic. And as been said not one bit fo the Councils money has been spent on this but grants and Heritage funds to help bring back to the pubic the vas collection Bolton has in its vaults. The best thing that could happen is for the Magistrates Court to move into another building and then expand the museum and library to cover the whole building along Le-Man's Crescent - the police station is already an empty shell since the police moved into their state-of-the-art building at Burnden Park. Then only and only then could we class it as a fantastic exhibition centre. We need to expand on what we currently show. If we could have an exhibition centre like Melbourne Museum - that it would be perfect!
Do you know where the links are you seem to know everything else in the world.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Thomas222 that is a bit rich considering the amount of information you give out on here, with regards to UKIP, without any links whatsoever!!! Anyway this does sound good. Bolton has the largest Egyptology collection in Britain, outside London. If it means we can expand on what they already show (2 of the medium sized halls in the upstairs of the building) then that is fantastic. And as been said not one bit fo the Councils money has been spent on this but grants and Heritage funds to help bring back to the pubic the vas collection Bolton has in its vaults. The best thing that could happen is for the Magistrates Court to move into another building and then expand the museum and library to cover the whole building along Le-Man's Crescent - the police station is already an empty shell since the police moved into their state-of-the-art building at Burnden Park. Then only and only then could we class it as a fantastic exhibition centre. We need to expand on what we currently show. If we could have an exhibition centre like Melbourne Museum - that it would be perfect![/p][/quote]Do you know where the links are you seem to know everything else in the world. thomas222
  • Score: -4

7:24am Sun 23 Mar 14

Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent says...

Ernagy2 wrote:
This to me is good news for the town. We need more tourist attractions as the shopping area will be reduced as people shop on the internet more.

Though many might question whether like the Elgin Marbles the pieces belong to Egypt.

I feel sorry that we can't get anything on Bolton's place in the Civil War - it's like we want to 'bury' (not meant to be a pun) that side of the towns history. All we seem to have to show for it is a wooden stool that the Earl of Derby sat on (which is in the Man and Scythe pub) and even that has been questioned.

We need more things like this in the town to get people spending their money in the shops. I also think we should be spending money on an Exhibition Centre as this would mean we could hold many prestige events which we lose to other towns and cities.
There was once a Civil War exhibition at Little Bolton Town Hall around 1992. I don't know where the artefacts came from though. The Egyptian items in the museum were mainly brought back by Annie Barlow who was a spinster and part of the textile Barlow (Barlow and Jones etc.) family. She gifted her collection from Egypt to the museum, I doubt that we would every be able to find out the original owners but she did, however, buy them. There is information about her at the museum and I should think elsewhere as she was quite an incredible lady.
[quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: This to me is good news for the town. We need more tourist attractions as the shopping area will be reduced as people shop on the internet more. Though many might question whether like the Elgin Marbles the pieces belong to Egypt. I feel sorry that we can't get anything on Bolton's place in the Civil War - it's like we want to 'bury' (not meant to be a pun) that side of the towns history. All we seem to have to show for it is a wooden stool that the Earl of Derby sat on (which is in the Man and Scythe pub) and even that has been questioned. We need more things like this in the town to get people spending their money in the shops. I also think we should be spending money on an Exhibition Centre as this would mean we could hold many prestige events which we lose to other towns and cities.[/p][/quote]There was once a Civil War exhibition at Little Bolton Town Hall around 1992. I don't know where the artefacts came from though. The Egyptian items in the museum were mainly brought back by Annie Barlow who was a spinster and part of the textile Barlow (Barlow and Jones etc.) family. She gifted her collection from Egypt to the museum, I doubt that we would every be able to find out the original owners but she did, however, buy them. There is information about her at the museum and I should think elsewhere as she was quite an incredible lady. Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent
  • Score: 7

7:32am Sun 23 Mar 14

Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent says...

thomas222 wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)
If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.
Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.
If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research!
Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any!
I am not wasting any more time and effort as whatever I say you will dispute!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)[/p][/quote]If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.[/p][/quote]Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.[/p][/quote]If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research![/p][/quote]Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any![/p][/quote]I am not wasting any more time and effort as whatever I say you will dispute! Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent
  • Score: -5

8:30am Sun 23 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)
If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.
Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.
If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research!
Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any!
I can give you one statistic.

I am a migrant worker because I moved back to the UK after years of working abroad - therefore one has to assume of the figures that UKIP, and its members, keep going on about how many are actually British people that are moving back to the UK, considering it is the UK that has the highest numbers of its citizens that work elsewhere within the EU and outside the EU!!!

PLus when are UKIP, and you as a member, going to start canvassing on LOCAL issues considering the local elections are less than 6 weeks away. What would UKIP do with regards to the roads, bins, parks, museum, libraries and how are they going to raise the money to fund these various projects? How are UKIP going to help Bolton rise from the ashes like a phoenix?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)[/p][/quote]If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.[/p][/quote]Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.[/p][/quote]If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research![/p][/quote]Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any![/p][/quote]I can give you one statistic. I am a migrant worker because I moved back to the UK after years of working abroad - therefore one has to assume of the figures that UKIP, and its members, keep going on about how many are actually British people that are moving back to the UK, considering it is the UK that has the highest numbers of its citizens that work elsewhere within the EU and outside the EU!!! PLus when are UKIP, and you as a member, going to start canvassing on LOCAL issues considering the local elections are less than 6 weeks away. What would UKIP do with regards to the roads, bins, parks, museum, libraries and how are they going to raise the money to fund these various projects? How are UKIP going to help Bolton rise from the ashes like a phoenix? BWFC71
  • Score: -14

8:52am Sun 23 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)
If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.
Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.
If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research!
Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any!
I can give you one statistic. I am a migrant worker because I moved back to the UK after years of working abroad - therefore one has to assume of the figures that UKIP, and its members, keep going on about how many are actually British people that are moving back to the UK, considering it is the UK that has the highest numbers of its citizens that work elsewhere within the EU and outside the EU!!! PLus when are UKIP, and you as a member, going to start canvassing on LOCAL issues considering the local elections are less than 6 weeks away. What would UKIP do with regards to the roads, bins, parks, museum, libraries and how are they going to raise the money to fund these various projects? How are UKIP going to help Bolton rise from the ashes like a phoenix?
Perhaps you could keep to the story in question as there is no mention of UKIP except for you yet again. You seem to be very angry about UKIP & i can only assume the reason for this is you fear them so much otherwise why bother. 19 Labour & Tory Cllrs in the London area have defected to UKIP in the last 12 months & many many more all over the country also. You are right to be worried about UKIP they are here. Nice you dont vote for anyone it makes our job easier.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)[/p][/quote]If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.[/p][/quote]Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.[/p][/quote]If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research![/p][/quote]Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any![/p][/quote]I can give you one statistic. I am a migrant worker because I moved back to the UK after years of working abroad - therefore one has to assume of the figures that UKIP, and its members, keep going on about how many are actually British people that are moving back to the UK, considering it is the UK that has the highest numbers of its citizens that work elsewhere within the EU and outside the EU!!! PLus when are UKIP, and you as a member, going to start canvassing on LOCAL issues considering the local elections are less than 6 weeks away. What would UKIP do with regards to the roads, bins, parks, museum, libraries and how are they going to raise the money to fund these various projects? How are UKIP going to help Bolton rise from the ashes like a phoenix?[/p][/quote]Perhaps you could keep to the story in question as there is no mention of UKIP except for you yet again. You seem to be very angry about UKIP & i can only assume the reason for this is you fear them so much otherwise why bother. 19 Labour & Tory Cllrs in the London area have defected to UKIP in the last 12 months & many many more all over the country also. You are right to be worried about UKIP they are here. Nice you dont vote for anyone it makes our job easier. thomas222
  • Score: 5

9:00am Sun 23 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)
If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.
Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.
If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research!
Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any!
I can give you one statistic. I am a migrant worker because I moved back to the UK after years of working abroad - therefore one has to assume of the figures that UKIP, and its members, keep going on about how many are actually British people that are moving back to the UK, considering it is the UK that has the highest numbers of its citizens that work elsewhere within the EU and outside the EU!!! PLus when are UKIP, and you as a member, going to start canvassing on LOCAL issues considering the local elections are less than 6 weeks away. What would UKIP do with regards to the roads, bins, parks, museum, libraries and how are they going to raise the money to fund these various projects? How are UKIP going to help Bolton rise from the ashes like a phoenix?
Insanity would be letting the people who got us into ashes perhaps not be the ones to get us out. Better to have someone new do it & as for UKIP raising the money it will come from the same place every other party gets it from.... The taxpayers,
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)[/p][/quote]If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.[/p][/quote]Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.[/p][/quote]If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research![/p][/quote]Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any![/p][/quote]I can give you one statistic. I am a migrant worker because I moved back to the UK after years of working abroad - therefore one has to assume of the figures that UKIP, and its members, keep going on about how many are actually British people that are moving back to the UK, considering it is the UK that has the highest numbers of its citizens that work elsewhere within the EU and outside the EU!!! PLus when are UKIP, and you as a member, going to start canvassing on LOCAL issues considering the local elections are less than 6 weeks away. What would UKIP do with regards to the roads, bins, parks, museum, libraries and how are they going to raise the money to fund these various projects? How are UKIP going to help Bolton rise from the ashes like a phoenix?[/p][/quote]Insanity would be letting the people who got us into ashes perhaps not be the ones to get us out. Better to have someone new do it & as for UKIP raising the money it will come from the same place every other party gets it from.... The taxpayers, thomas222
  • Score: -2

9:01am Sun 23 Mar 14

Gore Seer says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)
If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.
Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.
If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research!
Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any!
I can give you one statistic.

I am a migrant worker because I moved back to the UK after years of working abroad - therefore one has to assume of the figures that UKIP, and its members, keep going on about how many are actually British people that are moving back to the UK, considering it is the UK that has the highest numbers of its citizens that work elsewhere within the EU and outside the EU!!!

PLus when are UKIP, and you as a member, going to start canvassing on LOCAL issues considering the local elections are less than 6 weeks away. What would UKIP do with regards to the roads, bins, parks, museum, libraries and how are they going to raise the money to fund these various projects? How are UKIP going to help Bolton rise from the ashes like a phoenix?
We Could Stop Giving £ Millions To Other Countries In Aid, So These Countries Use The Aid To Buy Nuclear Missile, Like India And Pakistan, And God Knows Who Else, Or Is It In The Interests Of The USA That These Countries Are Close To Russia And China,And We Need Nuclear Alias?.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)[/p][/quote]If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.[/p][/quote]Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.[/p][/quote]If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research![/p][/quote]Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any![/p][/quote]I can give you one statistic. I am a migrant worker because I moved back to the UK after years of working abroad - therefore one has to assume of the figures that UKIP, and its members, keep going on about how many are actually British people that are moving back to the UK, considering it is the UK that has the highest numbers of its citizens that work elsewhere within the EU and outside the EU!!! PLus when are UKIP, and you as a member, going to start canvassing on LOCAL issues considering the local elections are less than 6 weeks away. What would UKIP do with regards to the roads, bins, parks, museum, libraries and how are they going to raise the money to fund these various projects? How are UKIP going to help Bolton rise from the ashes like a phoenix?[/p][/quote]We Could Stop Giving £ Millions To Other Countries In Aid, So These Countries Use The Aid To Buy Nuclear Missile, Like India And Pakistan, And God Knows Who Else, Or Is It In The Interests Of The USA That These Countries Are Close To Russia And China,And We Need Nuclear Alias?. Gore Seer
  • Score: 3

9:32am Sun 23 Mar 14

Gore Seer says...

Gore Seer wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)
If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.
Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.
If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research!
Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any!
I can give you one statistic.

I am a migrant worker because I moved back to the UK after years of working abroad - therefore one has to assume of the figures that UKIP, and its members, keep going on about how many are actually British people that are moving back to the UK, considering it is the UK that has the highest numbers of its citizens that work elsewhere within the EU and outside the EU!!!

PLus when are UKIP, and you as a member, going to start canvassing on LOCAL issues considering the local elections are less than 6 weeks away. What would UKIP do with regards to the roads, bins, parks, museum, libraries and how are they going to raise the money to fund these various projects? How are UKIP going to help Bolton rise from the ashes like a phoenix?
We Could Stop Giving £ Millions To Other Countries In Aid, So These Countries Use The Aid To Buy Nuclear Missile, Like India And Pakistan, And God Knows Who Else, Or Is It In The Interests Of The USA That These Countries Are Close To Russia And China,And We Need Nuclear Alias?.
I Would Be Very Nervous With These Two Countries Gaining Nuc Missiles On My Door Step, To Me It Looks Like A Threat By The Backdoor?.
[quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)[/p][/quote]If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.[/p][/quote]Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.[/p][/quote]If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research![/p][/quote]Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any![/p][/quote]I can give you one statistic. I am a migrant worker because I moved back to the UK after years of working abroad - therefore one has to assume of the figures that UKIP, and its members, keep going on about how many are actually British people that are moving back to the UK, considering it is the UK that has the highest numbers of its citizens that work elsewhere within the EU and outside the EU!!! PLus when are UKIP, and you as a member, going to start canvassing on LOCAL issues considering the local elections are less than 6 weeks away. What would UKIP do with regards to the roads, bins, parks, museum, libraries and how are they going to raise the money to fund these various projects? How are UKIP going to help Bolton rise from the ashes like a phoenix?[/p][/quote]We Could Stop Giving £ Millions To Other Countries In Aid, So These Countries Use The Aid To Buy Nuclear Missile, Like India And Pakistan, And God Knows Who Else, Or Is It In The Interests Of The USA That These Countries Are Close To Russia And China,And We Need Nuclear Alias?.[/p][/quote]I Would Be Very Nervous With These Two Countries Gaining Nuc Missiles On My Door Step, To Me It Looks Like A Threat By The Backdoor?. Gore Seer
  • Score: -2

10:07am Sun 23 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Gore Seer wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)
If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.
Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.
If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research!
Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any!
I can give you one statistic. I am a migrant worker because I moved back to the UK after years of working abroad - therefore one has to assume of the figures that UKIP, and its members, keep going on about how many are actually British people that are moving back to the UK, considering it is the UK that has the highest numbers of its citizens that work elsewhere within the EU and outside the EU!!! PLus when are UKIP, and you as a member, going to start canvassing on LOCAL issues considering the local elections are less than 6 weeks away. What would UKIP do with regards to the roads, bins, parks, museum, libraries and how are they going to raise the money to fund these various projects? How are UKIP going to help Bolton rise from the ashes like a phoenix?
We Could Stop Giving £ Millions To Other Countries In Aid, So These Countries Use The Aid To Buy Nuclear Missile, Like India And Pakistan, And God Knows Who Else, Or Is It In The Interests Of The USA That These Countries Are Close To Russia And China,And We Need Nuclear Alias?.
They are national issues which local councillors have no say over, whatsoever!

Therefore how can local councillors raise money for local issues and problems and help make the town better.
[quote][p][bold]Gore Seer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)[/p][/quote]If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.[/p][/quote]Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.[/p][/quote]If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research![/p][/quote]Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any![/p][/quote]I can give you one statistic. I am a migrant worker because I moved back to the UK after years of working abroad - therefore one has to assume of the figures that UKIP, and its members, keep going on about how many are actually British people that are moving back to the UK, considering it is the UK that has the highest numbers of its citizens that work elsewhere within the EU and outside the EU!!! PLus when are UKIP, and you as a member, going to start canvassing on LOCAL issues considering the local elections are less than 6 weeks away. What would UKIP do with regards to the roads, bins, parks, museum, libraries and how are they going to raise the money to fund these various projects? How are UKIP going to help Bolton rise from the ashes like a phoenix?[/p][/quote]We Could Stop Giving £ Millions To Other Countries In Aid, So These Countries Use The Aid To Buy Nuclear Missile, Like India And Pakistan, And God Knows Who Else, Or Is It In The Interests Of The USA That These Countries Are Close To Russia And China,And We Need Nuclear Alias?.[/p][/quote]They are national issues which local councillors have no say over, whatsoever! Therefore how can local councillors raise money for local issues and problems and help make the town better. BWFC71
  • Score: -31

10:13am Sun 23 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)
If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.
Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.
If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research!
Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any!
I can give you one statistic. I am a migrant worker because I moved back to the UK after years of working abroad - therefore one has to assume of the figures that UKIP, and its members, keep going on about how many are actually British people that are moving back to the UK, considering it is the UK that has the highest numbers of its citizens that work elsewhere within the EU and outside the EU!!! PLus when are UKIP, and you as a member, going to start canvassing on LOCAL issues considering the local elections are less than 6 weeks away. What would UKIP do with regards to the roads, bins, parks, museum, libraries and how are they going to raise the money to fund these various projects? How are UKIP going to help Bolton rise from the ashes like a phoenix?
Insanity would be letting the people who got us into ashes perhaps not be the ones to get us out. Better to have someone new do it & as for UKIP raising the money it will come from the same place every other party gets it from.... The taxpayers,
Therefore would UKIP Councillors be prepared to raise the Council Tax for the money they required for the local issues I mentioned- going against what that Government would be requesting? Therefore does UKIP agree with the 2% increase that Bolton Council has done with the Council Tax for this year?

What other revenue streams would UKIP Councillors use to raise capital?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)[/p][/quote]If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.[/p][/quote]Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.[/p][/quote]If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research![/p][/quote]Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any![/p][/quote]I can give you one statistic. I am a migrant worker because I moved back to the UK after years of working abroad - therefore one has to assume of the figures that UKIP, and its members, keep going on about how many are actually British people that are moving back to the UK, considering it is the UK that has the highest numbers of its citizens that work elsewhere within the EU and outside the EU!!! PLus when are UKIP, and you as a member, going to start canvassing on LOCAL issues considering the local elections are less than 6 weeks away. What would UKIP do with regards to the roads, bins, parks, museum, libraries and how are they going to raise the money to fund these various projects? How are UKIP going to help Bolton rise from the ashes like a phoenix?[/p][/quote]Insanity would be letting the people who got us into ashes perhaps not be the ones to get us out. Better to have someone new do it & as for UKIP raising the money it will come from the same place every other party gets it from.... The taxpayers,[/p][/quote]Therefore would UKIP Councillors be prepared to raise the Council Tax for the money they required for the local issues I mentioned- going against what that Government would be requesting? Therefore does UKIP agree with the 2% increase that Bolton Council has done with the Council Tax for this year? What other revenue streams would UKIP Councillors use to raise capital? BWFC71
  • Score: -2

10:18am Sun 23 Mar 14

JustBecause says...

Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)
If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.
Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.
If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research!
Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any!
I am not wasting any more time and effort as whatever I say you will dispute!
Are you employed by the museum, community correspondent ?

Your PR, and communications skills are diabolical.
[quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)[/p][/quote]If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.[/p][/quote]Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.[/p][/quote]If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research![/p][/quote]Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any![/p][/quote]I am not wasting any more time and effort as whatever I say you will dispute![/p][/quote]Are you employed by the museum, community correspondent ? Your PR, and communications skills are diabolical. JustBecause
  • Score: 10

11:01am Sun 23 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)
If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.
Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.
If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research!
Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any!
I can give you one statistic. I am a migrant worker because I moved back to the UK after years of working abroad - therefore one has to assume of the figures that UKIP, and its members, keep going on about how many are actually British people that are moving back to the UK, considering it is the UK that has the highest numbers of its citizens that work elsewhere within the EU and outside the EU!!! PLus when are UKIP, and you as a member, going to start canvassing on LOCAL issues considering the local elections are less than 6 weeks away. What would UKIP do with regards to the roads, bins, parks, museum, libraries and how are they going to raise the money to fund these various projects? How are UKIP going to help Bolton rise from the ashes like a phoenix?
Perhaps you could keep to the story in question as there is no mention of UKIP except for you yet again. You seem to be very angry about UKIP & i can only assume the reason for this is you fear them so much otherwise why bother. 19 Labour & Tory Cllrs in the London area have defected to UKIP in the last 12 months & many many more all over the country also. You are right to be worried about UKIP they are here. Nice you dont vote for anyone it makes our job easier.
As you asked someone else, could you please provide a link to that comment with regards to the 19 councillors as I cannot find a link to clarify what you say!


I am not worried about UKIP - you keep thinking I am worried. Nope. But I want information which you, and UKIP, are NOT providing!

To be fair I ain't bothered about the 19 Councillors defecting to UKIP because they do not have a say with hat happens in Bolton, just as much as they do not have a say on national issues with being councillors because they are not part of the British Government and are not Members of Parliament!

What I want to know is what potential UKIP councillors are offering to Bolton as in the town and community based on local issues and not national issues as councillors can only resolve local issues and not national issues!

Also lets not forget that although LibDems were successful in local government they were not that good, as proved over last 4 years, in national government.

Local Government and National Government is not the same thing as such policies have to be different to cater for the local community rather than the country!

Plus I have stayed on topic because people are bemoaning about the council doing this that and the other and some questioning what other would do - but no one mentioned as to what UKIP would do, therefore I am questioning it.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)[/p][/quote]If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.[/p][/quote]Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.[/p][/quote]If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research![/p][/quote]Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any![/p][/quote]I can give you one statistic. I am a migrant worker because I moved back to the UK after years of working abroad - therefore one has to assume of the figures that UKIP, and its members, keep going on about how many are actually British people that are moving back to the UK, considering it is the UK that has the highest numbers of its citizens that work elsewhere within the EU and outside the EU!!! PLus when are UKIP, and you as a member, going to start canvassing on LOCAL issues considering the local elections are less than 6 weeks away. What would UKIP do with regards to the roads, bins, parks, museum, libraries and how are they going to raise the money to fund these various projects? How are UKIP going to help Bolton rise from the ashes like a phoenix?[/p][/quote]Perhaps you could keep to the story in question as there is no mention of UKIP except for you yet again. You seem to be very angry about UKIP & i can only assume the reason for this is you fear them so much otherwise why bother. 19 Labour & Tory Cllrs in the London area have defected to UKIP in the last 12 months & many many more all over the country also. You are right to be worried about UKIP they are here. Nice you dont vote for anyone it makes our job easier.[/p][/quote]As you asked someone else, could you please provide a link to that comment with regards to the 19 councillors as I cannot find a link to clarify what you say! I am not worried about UKIP - you keep thinking I am worried. Nope. But I want information which you, and UKIP, are NOT providing! To be fair I ain't bothered about the 19 Councillors defecting to UKIP because they do not have a say with hat happens in Bolton, just as much as they do not have a say on national issues with being councillors because they are not part of the British Government and are not Members of Parliament! What I want to know is what potential UKIP councillors are offering to Bolton as in the town and community based on local issues and not national issues as councillors can only resolve local issues and not national issues! Also lets not forget that although LibDems were successful in local government they were not that good, as proved over last 4 years, in national government. Local Government and National Government is not the same thing as such policies have to be different to cater for the local community rather than the country! Plus I have stayed on topic because people are bemoaning about the council doing this that and the other and some questioning what other would do - but no one mentioned as to what UKIP would do, therefore I am questioning it. BWFC71
  • Score: -30

11:12am Sun 23 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)
If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.
Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.
If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research!
Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any!
I can give you one statistic. I am a migrant worker because I moved back to the UK after years of working abroad - therefore one has to assume of the figures that UKIP, and its members, keep going on about how many are actually British people that are moving back to the UK, considering it is the UK that has the highest numbers of its citizens that work elsewhere within the EU and outside the EU!!! PLus when are UKIP, and you as a member, going to start canvassing on LOCAL issues considering the local elections are less than 6 weeks away. What would UKIP do with regards to the roads, bins, parks, museum, libraries and how are they going to raise the money to fund these various projects? How are UKIP going to help Bolton rise from the ashes like a phoenix?
Insanity would be letting the people who got us into ashes perhaps not be the ones to get us out. Better to have someone new do it & as for UKIP raising the money it will come from the same place every other party gets it from.... The taxpayers,
Therefore would UKIP Councillors be prepared to raise the Council Tax for the money they required for the local issues I mentioned- going against what that Government would be requesting? Therefore does UKIP agree with the 2% increase that Bolton Council has done with the Council Tax for this year? What other revenue streams would UKIP Councillors use to raise capital?
Perhaps you could give us some advice as you seem to know everything & anything else on this planet. This next Election we are concentrating on out of the EU only. Its the ones in 2015 & 2000 you should fear. ; )
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)[/p][/quote]If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.[/p][/quote]Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.[/p][/quote]If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research![/p][/quote]Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any![/p][/quote]I can give you one statistic. I am a migrant worker because I moved back to the UK after years of working abroad - therefore one has to assume of the figures that UKIP, and its members, keep going on about how many are actually British people that are moving back to the UK, considering it is the UK that has the highest numbers of its citizens that work elsewhere within the EU and outside the EU!!! PLus when are UKIP, and you as a member, going to start canvassing on LOCAL issues considering the local elections are less than 6 weeks away. What would UKIP do with regards to the roads, bins, parks, museum, libraries and how are they going to raise the money to fund these various projects? How are UKIP going to help Bolton rise from the ashes like a phoenix?[/p][/quote]Insanity would be letting the people who got us into ashes perhaps not be the ones to get us out. Better to have someone new do it & as for UKIP raising the money it will come from the same place every other party gets it from.... The taxpayers,[/p][/quote]Therefore would UKIP Councillors be prepared to raise the Council Tax for the money they required for the local issues I mentioned- going against what that Government would be requesting? Therefore does UKIP agree with the 2% increase that Bolton Council has done with the Council Tax for this year? What other revenue streams would UKIP Councillors use to raise capital?[/p][/quote]Perhaps you could give us some advice as you seem to know everything & anything else on this planet. This next Election we are concentrating on out of the EU only. Its the ones in 2015 & 2000 you should fear. ; ) thomas222
  • Score: 0

11:23am Sun 23 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

UKIP Membership - 34,000 (up 2,000 on 2013)
Labour Membership - 187,537 (up 3,400 on 2013)
Conservative Membership - 134,000 (down 800 on 2013)
Liberal Democrats Membership - 43,451 (up 900 on 2013)

All figures gained from the Official political party websites - and all data verified by the ONS ain February 2014. (www.ukip.org.uk, www.libdems.org.uk, www.labour.org.uk, www.conservatives.co
m, www.ons.gov.uk)


So out of the major parties only The Conservatives lost membership over the last 12 months and it as Labour that gained the most, even The LibDems, which surprised me, has gained members.

Therefore when you say I am worried about the continual rise in UKIP - I have shown, figures wise I am not worried at all! What I am worried about are when UKIP get any sort of power the common worker will lose out completely and lose many of the benefits in favour of big business and the Banks!!! UKIP have already said, via Farage and other potential Councillor, MP and MEP candidates various political programmes, they are willing to raise taxes to do whatever they want - thus leaving people poorer than now.

But now getting back to the issue in question - what would UKIP councillors have done with regards to the Egyptology at Bolton Museum? Would they have gone for these grants to help show more from the vaults (whilst sending NOTHING from the councils revenue stream)?
UKIP Membership - 34,000 (up 2,000 on 2013) Labour Membership - 187,537 (up 3,400 on 2013) Conservative Membership - 134,000 (down 800 on 2013) Liberal Democrats Membership - 43,451 (up 900 on 2013) All figures gained from the Official political party websites - and all data verified by the ONS ain February 2014. (www.ukip.org.uk, www.libdems.org.uk, www.labour.org.uk, www.conservatives.co m, www.ons.gov.uk) So out of the major parties only The Conservatives lost membership over the last 12 months and it as Labour that gained the most, even The LibDems, which surprised me, has gained members. Therefore when you say I am worried about the continual rise in UKIP - I have shown, figures wise I am not worried at all! What I am worried about are when UKIP get any sort of power the common worker will lose out completely and lose many of the benefits in favour of big business and the Banks!!! UKIP have already said, via Farage and other potential Councillor, MP and MEP candidates various political programmes, they are willing to raise taxes to do whatever they want - thus leaving people poorer than now. But now getting back to the issue in question - what would UKIP councillors have done with regards to the Egyptology at Bolton Museum? Would they have gone for these grants to help show more from the vaults (whilst sending NOTHING from the councils revenue stream)? BWFC71
  • Score: -16

11:25am Sun 23 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)
If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.
Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.
If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research!
Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any!
I can give you one statistic. I am a migrant worker because I moved back to the UK after years of working abroad - therefore one has to assume of the figures that UKIP, and its members, keep going on about how many are actually British people that are moving back to the UK, considering it is the UK that has the highest numbers of its citizens that work elsewhere within the EU and outside the EU!!! PLus when are UKIP, and you as a member, going to start canvassing on LOCAL issues considering the local elections are less than 6 weeks away. What would UKIP do with regards to the roads, bins, parks, museum, libraries and how are they going to raise the money to fund these various projects? How are UKIP going to help Bolton rise from the ashes like a phoenix?
Perhaps you could keep to the story in question as there is no mention of UKIP except for you yet again. You seem to be very angry about UKIP & i can only assume the reason for this is you fear them so much otherwise why bother. 19 Labour & Tory Cllrs in the London area have defected to UKIP in the last 12 months & many many more all over the country also. You are right to be worried about UKIP they are here. Nice you dont vote for anyone it makes our job easier.
As you asked someone else, could you please provide a link to that comment with regards to the 19 councillors as I cannot find a link to clarify what you say! I am not worried about UKIP - you keep thinking I am worried. Nope. But I want information which you, and UKIP, are NOT providing! To be fair I ain't bothered about the 19 Councillors defecting to UKIP because they do not have a say with hat happens in Bolton, just as much as they do not have a say on national issues with being councillors because they are not part of the British Government and are not Members of Parliament! What I want to know is what potential UKIP councillors are offering to Bolton as in the town and community based on local issues and not national issues as councillors can only resolve local issues and not national issues! Also lets not forget that although LibDems were successful in local government they were not that good, as proved over last 4 years, in national government. Local Government and National Government is not the same thing as such policies have to be different to cater for the local community rather than the country! Plus I have stayed on topic because people are bemoaning about the council doing this that and the other and some questioning what other would do - but no one mentioned as to what UKIP would do, therefore I am questioning it.
Standard.co.uk website then search ..19 london councillors defect to ukip in one year. And your council would do ?
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)[/p][/quote]If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.[/p][/quote]Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.[/p][/quote]If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research![/p][/quote]Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any![/p][/quote]I can give you one statistic. I am a migrant worker because I moved back to the UK after years of working abroad - therefore one has to assume of the figures that UKIP, and its members, keep going on about how many are actually British people that are moving back to the UK, considering it is the UK that has the highest numbers of its citizens that work elsewhere within the EU and outside the EU!!! PLus when are UKIP, and you as a member, going to start canvassing on LOCAL issues considering the local elections are less than 6 weeks away. What would UKIP do with regards to the roads, bins, parks, museum, libraries and how are they going to raise the money to fund these various projects? How are UKIP going to help Bolton rise from the ashes like a phoenix?[/p][/quote]Perhaps you could keep to the story in question as there is no mention of UKIP except for you yet again. You seem to be very angry about UKIP & i can only assume the reason for this is you fear them so much otherwise why bother. 19 Labour & Tory Cllrs in the London area have defected to UKIP in the last 12 months & many many more all over the country also. You are right to be worried about UKIP they are here. Nice you dont vote for anyone it makes our job easier.[/p][/quote]As you asked someone else, could you please provide a link to that comment with regards to the 19 councillors as I cannot find a link to clarify what you say! I am not worried about UKIP - you keep thinking I am worried. Nope. But I want information which you, and UKIP, are NOT providing! To be fair I ain't bothered about the 19 Councillors defecting to UKIP because they do not have a say with hat happens in Bolton, just as much as they do not have a say on national issues with being councillors because they are not part of the British Government and are not Members of Parliament! What I want to know is what potential UKIP councillors are offering to Bolton as in the town and community based on local issues and not national issues as councillors can only resolve local issues and not national issues! Also lets not forget that although LibDems were successful in local government they were not that good, as proved over last 4 years, in national government. Local Government and National Government is not the same thing as such policies have to be different to cater for the local community rather than the country! Plus I have stayed on topic because people are bemoaning about the council doing this that and the other and some questioning what other would do - but no one mentioned as to what UKIP would do, therefore I am questioning it.[/p][/quote]Standard.co.uk website then search ..19 london councillors defect to ukip in one year. And your council would do ? thomas222
  • Score: 1

11:28am Sun 23 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
UKIP Membership - 34,000 (up 2,000 on 2013) Labour Membership - 187,537 (up 3,400 on 2013) Conservative Membership - 134,000 (down 800 on 2013) Liberal Democrats Membership - 43,451 (up 900 on 2013) All figures gained from the Official political party websites - and all data verified by the ONS ain February 2014. (www.ukip.org.uk, www.libdems.org.uk, www.labour.org.uk, www.conservatives.co m, www.ons.gov.uk) So out of the major parties only The Conservatives lost membership over the last 12 months and it as Labour that gained the most, even The LibDems, which surprised me, has gained members. Therefore when you say I am worried about the continual rise in UKIP - I have shown, figures wise I am not worried at all! What I am worried about are when UKIP get any sort of power the common worker will lose out completely and lose many of the benefits in favour of big business and the Banks!!! UKIP have already said, via Farage and other potential Councillor, MP and MEP candidates various political programmes, they are willing to raise taxes to do whatever they want - thus leaving people poorer than now. But now getting back to the issue in question - what would UKIP councillors have done with regards to the Egyptology at Bolton Museum? Would they have gone for these grants to help show more from the vaults (whilst sending NOTHING from the councils revenue stream)?
I have many many friends not members of ukip but vting for them... many ex labour & torys...... ; )
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: UKIP Membership - 34,000 (up 2,000 on 2013) Labour Membership - 187,537 (up 3,400 on 2013) Conservative Membership - 134,000 (down 800 on 2013) Liberal Democrats Membership - 43,451 (up 900 on 2013) All figures gained from the Official political party websites - and all data verified by the ONS ain February 2014. (www.ukip.org.uk, www.libdems.org.uk, www.labour.org.uk, www.conservatives.co m, www.ons.gov.uk) So out of the major parties only The Conservatives lost membership over the last 12 months and it as Labour that gained the most, even The LibDems, which surprised me, has gained members. Therefore when you say I am worried about the continual rise in UKIP - I have shown, figures wise I am not worried at all! What I am worried about are when UKIP get any sort of power the common worker will lose out completely and lose many of the benefits in favour of big business and the Banks!!! UKIP have already said, via Farage and other potential Councillor, MP and MEP candidates various political programmes, they are willing to raise taxes to do whatever they want - thus leaving people poorer than now. But now getting back to the issue in question - what would UKIP councillors have done with regards to the Egyptology at Bolton Museum? Would they have gone for these grants to help show more from the vaults (whilst sending NOTHING from the councils revenue stream)?[/p][/quote]I have many many friends not members of ukip but vting for them... many ex labour & torys...... ; ) thomas222
  • Score: 1

12:12pm Sun 23 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Thomas222

If you have been watching The Sunday Politics then you will have heard of a test which you could take. Here is the link;

http://populuslive.s
pss-asp.com/ASP/P002
786/Holding.asp

Try it for yourself - I am Cosmopolitan Critic. I'd be interested to see what you are, and anyone else who takes it!
Thomas222 If you have been watching The Sunday Politics then you will have heard of a test which you could take. Here is the link; http://populuslive.s pss-asp.com/ASP/P002 786/Holding.asp Try it for yourself - I am Cosmopolitan Critic. I'd be interested to see what you are, and anyone else who takes it! BWFC71
  • Score: -38

12:19pm Sun 23 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)
If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.
Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.
If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research!
Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any!
I can give you one statistic. I am a migrant worker because I moved back to the UK after years of working abroad - therefore one has to assume of the figures that UKIP, and its members, keep going on about how many are actually British people that are moving back to the UK, considering it is the UK that has the highest numbers of its citizens that work elsewhere within the EU and outside the EU!!! PLus when are UKIP, and you as a member, going to start canvassing on LOCAL issues considering the local elections are less than 6 weeks away. What would UKIP do with regards to the roads, bins, parks, museum, libraries and how are they going to raise the money to fund these various projects? How are UKIP going to help Bolton rise from the ashes like a phoenix?
Perhaps you could keep to the story in question as there is no mention of UKIP except for you yet again. You seem to be very angry about UKIP & i can only assume the reason for this is you fear them so much otherwise why bother. 19 Labour & Tory Cllrs in the London area have defected to UKIP in the last 12 months & many many more all over the country also. You are right to be worried about UKIP they are here. Nice you dont vote for anyone it makes our job easier.
As you asked someone else, could you please provide a link to that comment with regards to the 19 councillors as I cannot find a link to clarify what you say! I am not worried about UKIP - you keep thinking I am worried. Nope. But I want information which you, and UKIP, are NOT providing! To be fair I ain't bothered about the 19 Councillors defecting to UKIP because they do not have a say with hat happens in Bolton, just as much as they do not have a say on national issues with being councillors because they are not part of the British Government and are not Members of Parliament! What I want to know is what potential UKIP councillors are offering to Bolton as in the town and community based on local issues and not national issues as councillors can only resolve local issues and not national issues! Also lets not forget that although LibDems were successful in local government they were not that good, as proved over last 4 years, in national government. Local Government and National Government is not the same thing as such policies have to be different to cater for the local community rather than the country! Plus I have stayed on topic because people are bemoaning about the council doing this that and the other and some questioning what other would do - but no one mentioned as to what UKIP would do, therefore I am questioning it.
Standard.co.uk website then search ..19 london councillors defect to ukip in one year. And your council would do ?
Why mention 19 councillors that have defected which has no bearing on Bolton whatsoever?

Councillors do not do anything on a national level and are only there for LOCAL government!

So again why mention the 9 councillors which means nothing to a Boltonian?


As I say I will choose whether I vote or not dependent upon what they promise in the canvassing with regards to many local issues and not proliferate on national issues!

The last decent Council were the Conservatives during the 1980's and 190's who have a great vision for the town and brought the town out of the duldrums and out for the shadow of Manchester - in fact under their tenure we were are far more popular town to shop and have fun in than Manchester! We need councillors that have that exact same vision. Those councillors of the 1980's fought for local issues and built their success on local issues - this is what the town needs not political parties or local councillors that want our votes based on national issues whilst omitting local issues!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)[/p][/quote]If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.[/p][/quote]Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.[/p][/quote]If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research![/p][/quote]Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any![/p][/quote]I can give you one statistic. I am a migrant worker because I moved back to the UK after years of working abroad - therefore one has to assume of the figures that UKIP, and its members, keep going on about how many are actually British people that are moving back to the UK, considering it is the UK that has the highest numbers of its citizens that work elsewhere within the EU and outside the EU!!! PLus when are UKIP, and you as a member, going to start canvassing on LOCAL issues considering the local elections are less than 6 weeks away. What would UKIP do with regards to the roads, bins, parks, museum, libraries and how are they going to raise the money to fund these various projects? How are UKIP going to help Bolton rise from the ashes like a phoenix?[/p][/quote]Perhaps you could keep to the story in question as there is no mention of UKIP except for you yet again. You seem to be very angry about UKIP & i can only assume the reason for this is you fear them so much otherwise why bother. 19 Labour & Tory Cllrs in the London area have defected to UKIP in the last 12 months & many many more all over the country also. You are right to be worried about UKIP they are here. Nice you dont vote for anyone it makes our job easier.[/p][/quote]As you asked someone else, could you please provide a link to that comment with regards to the 19 councillors as I cannot find a link to clarify what you say! I am not worried about UKIP - you keep thinking I am worried. Nope. But I want information which you, and UKIP, are NOT providing! To be fair I ain't bothered about the 19 Councillors defecting to UKIP because they do not have a say with hat happens in Bolton, just as much as they do not have a say on national issues with being councillors because they are not part of the British Government and are not Members of Parliament! What I want to know is what potential UKIP councillors are offering to Bolton as in the town and community based on local issues and not national issues as councillors can only resolve local issues and not national issues! Also lets not forget that although LibDems were successful in local government they were not that good, as proved over last 4 years, in national government. Local Government and National Government is not the same thing as such policies have to be different to cater for the local community rather than the country! Plus I have stayed on topic because people are bemoaning about the council doing this that and the other and some questioning what other would do - but no one mentioned as to what UKIP would do, therefore I am questioning it.[/p][/quote]Standard.co.uk website then search ..19 london councillors defect to ukip in one year. And your council would do ?[/p][/quote]Why mention 19 councillors that have defected which has no bearing on Bolton whatsoever? Councillors do not do anything on a national level and are only there for LOCAL government! So again why mention the 9 councillors which means nothing to a Boltonian? As I say I will choose whether I vote or not dependent upon what they promise in the canvassing with regards to many local issues and not proliferate on national issues! The last decent Council were the Conservatives during the 1980's and 190's who have a great vision for the town and brought the town out of the duldrums and out for the shadow of Manchester - in fact under their tenure we were are far more popular town to shop and have fun in than Manchester! We need councillors that have that exact same vision. Those councillors of the 1980's fought for local issues and built their success on local issues - this is what the town needs not political parties or local councillors that want our votes based on national issues whilst omitting local issues!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -51

12:36pm Sun 23 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)
If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.
Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.
If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research!
Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any!
I can give you one statistic. I am a migrant worker because I moved back to the UK after years of working abroad - therefore one has to assume of the figures that UKIP, and its members, keep going on about how many are actually British people that are moving back to the UK, considering it is the UK that has the highest numbers of its citizens that work elsewhere within the EU and outside the EU!!! PLus when are UKIP, and you as a member, going to start canvassing on LOCAL issues considering the local elections are less than 6 weeks away. What would UKIP do with regards to the roads, bins, parks, museum, libraries and how are they going to raise the money to fund these various projects? How are UKIP going to help Bolton rise from the ashes like a phoenix?
Insanity would be letting the people who got us into ashes perhaps not be the ones to get us out. Better to have someone new do it & as for UKIP raising the money it will come from the same place every other party gets it from.... The taxpayers,
Therefore would UKIP Councillors be prepared to raise the Council Tax for the money they required for the local issues I mentioned- going against what that Government would be requesting? Therefore does UKIP agree with the 2% increase that Bolton Council has done with the Council Tax for this year? What other revenue streams would UKIP Councillors use to raise capital?
Perhaps you could give us some advice as you seem to know everything & anything else on this planet. This next Election we are concentrating on out of the EU only. Its the ones in 2015 & 2000 you should fear. ; )
Nope the next election this year is the LOCAL ELECTIONS which are on the same day as the European Elections.

If we just concentrate of the European elections then we are forgetting about the state of our town, the gravy train that our town has created for our councillors etc etc etc. therefore this years local elections are important for ourselves - as it impacts upon the future increase, or not, of the Council Tax and the future of our front-line services such as education! It affects our daily lives!

European Elections are a background distraction, yes impacts on daily lives, but normally for the better than any other way - lets not forget that t was the EU that gave us the minimum wage, guaranteed minimum of 25 days holiday a year, a working week of no more 48 hours, greater protection for temporary workers (including holiday pay), cap on roaming charges within the EU, cap on mobile charges in general whilst in the EU - the list goes on

But being honest UKIP will probably overtake LibDems in the next General Election but they will only be a minor 3rd political party with a percentage of between 8% and 12 % - similar to that LibDems get now. If people were actually serious about voting for UKIP then the number of new members over the last 12 months should have outstripped those of any other major political party - but for LibDems to increase their members (which again I say surprised me) shows that UKIP is not the party for the majority and UKIP are not well prepared to be a controlling government, due to lack of policies for what they will do for the UK! If the party was a rising star then it should have taken members from all parties and the other parties should have had a decrease only (as it is only The Conservatives have a decrease in member numbers - but that is not unusual as all parties, when in government, suffer a reduction in membership numbers)

Just to offer a in/out vote is not good enough as what will they do if we do leave the EU - how will they control inflation, how will they raise money, how will they tax people for services, how will they create growth - far too many questions which they don't even have a single answer!!!

As for Cameron's 2017 promise of an in/out vote lets not forget the conditions for it. 1. The Conservatives will have to have an overall majority for it to take place. 2. Changes in the EU policies will have to had taken place, if not then no vote will be considered. (which he has stated since he first announced the policy)

But fist and foremost the local elections are this year and they are just as important if not more, than the General Elections next year!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)[/p][/quote]If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.[/p][/quote]Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.[/p][/quote]If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research![/p][/quote]Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any![/p][/quote]I can give you one statistic. I am a migrant worker because I moved back to the UK after years of working abroad - therefore one has to assume of the figures that UKIP, and its members, keep going on about how many are actually British people that are moving back to the UK, considering it is the UK that has the highest numbers of its citizens that work elsewhere within the EU and outside the EU!!! PLus when are UKIP, and you as a member, going to start canvassing on LOCAL issues considering the local elections are less than 6 weeks away. What would UKIP do with regards to the roads, bins, parks, museum, libraries and how are they going to raise the money to fund these various projects? How are UKIP going to help Bolton rise from the ashes like a phoenix?[/p][/quote]Insanity would be letting the people who got us into ashes perhaps not be the ones to get us out. Better to have someone new do it & as for UKIP raising the money it will come from the same place every other party gets it from.... The taxpayers,[/p][/quote]Therefore would UKIP Councillors be prepared to raise the Council Tax for the money they required for the local issues I mentioned- going against what that Government would be requesting? Therefore does UKIP agree with the 2% increase that Bolton Council has done with the Council Tax for this year? What other revenue streams would UKIP Councillors use to raise capital?[/p][/quote]Perhaps you could give us some advice as you seem to know everything & anything else on this planet. This next Election we are concentrating on out of the EU only. Its the ones in 2015 & 2000 you should fear. ; )[/p][/quote]Nope the next election this year is the LOCAL ELECTIONS which are on the same day as the European Elections. If we just concentrate of the European elections then we are forgetting about the state of our town, the gravy train that our town has created for our councillors etc etc etc. therefore this years local elections are important for ourselves - as it impacts upon the future increase, or not, of the Council Tax and the future of our front-line services such as education! It affects our daily lives! European Elections are a background distraction, yes impacts on daily lives, but normally for the better than any other way - lets not forget that t was the EU that gave us the minimum wage, guaranteed minimum of 25 days holiday a year, a working week of no more 48 hours, greater protection for temporary workers (including holiday pay), cap on roaming charges within the EU, cap on mobile charges in general whilst in the EU - the list goes on But being honest UKIP will probably overtake LibDems in the next General Election but they will only be a minor 3rd political party with a percentage of between 8% and 12 % - similar to that LibDems get now. If people were actually serious about voting for UKIP then the number of new members over the last 12 months should have outstripped those of any other major political party - but for LibDems to increase their members (which again I say surprised me) shows that UKIP is not the party for the majority and UKIP are not well prepared to be a controlling government, due to lack of policies for what they will do for the UK! If the party was a rising star then it should have taken members from all parties and the other parties should have had a decrease only (as it is only The Conservatives have a decrease in member numbers - but that is not unusual as all parties, when in government, suffer a reduction in membership numbers) Just to offer a in/out vote is not good enough as what will they do if we do leave the EU - how will they control inflation, how will they raise money, how will they tax people for services, how will they create growth - far too many questions which they don't even have a single answer!!! As for Cameron's 2017 promise of an in/out vote lets not forget the conditions for it. 1. The Conservatives will have to have an overall majority for it to take place. 2. Changes in the EU policies will have to had taken place, if not then no vote will be considered. (which he has stated since he first announced the policy) But fist and foremost the local elections are this year and they are just as important if not more, than the General Elections next year! BWFC71
  • Score: -46

2:16pm Sun 23 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

@ Thomas222

There are 32 boroughs in London (not counting City of London) and there are over 1861 councillors compare that to Bolton which has 60 councillors - therefore 19 councillors defecting to UKIP is nothing (10% of the total number of councillors in Greater London and less than 1 per borough) as they have no control - now if that 10% move was to happen in Bolton it would mean only 6 UKIP councillors with no control!!!

As I say, nothing to worry about - especially as last 3 local by-elections that took place, in which UKIP had a candidate, not one returned a UKIP councillor, and in fact in the last one the Conservatives actually increased their share of the vote to a sea they already control!!!

But as I keep saying what are UKIP's plans for Bolton? - local issues for local votes!
@ Thomas222 There are 32 boroughs in London (not counting City of London) and there are over 1861 councillors compare that to Bolton which has 60 councillors - therefore 19 councillors defecting to UKIP is nothing (10% of the total number of councillors in Greater London and less than 1 per borough) as they have no control - now if that 10% move was to happen in Bolton it would mean only 6 UKIP councillors with no control!!! As I say, nothing to worry about - especially as last 3 local by-elections that took place, in which UKIP had a candidate, not one returned a UKIP councillor, and in fact in the last one the Conservatives actually increased their share of the vote to a sea they already control!!! But as I keep saying what are UKIP's plans for Bolton? - local issues for local votes! BWFC71
  • Score: -35

3:42pm Sun 23 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Thomas222 that is a bit rich considering the amount of information you give out on here, with regards to UKIP, without any links whatsoever!!! Anyway this does sound good. Bolton has the largest Egyptology collection in Britain, outside London. If it means we can expand on what they already show (2 of the medium sized halls in the upstairs of the building) then that is fantastic. And as been said not one bit fo the Councils money has been spent on this but grants and Heritage funds to help bring back to the pubic the vas collection Bolton has in its vaults. The best thing that could happen is for the Magistrates Court to move into another building and then expand the museum and library to cover the whole building along Le-Man's Crescent - the police station is already an empty shell since the police moved into their state-of-the-art building at Burnden Park. Then only and only then could we class it as a fantastic exhibition centre. We need to expand on what we currently show. If we could have an exhibition centre like Melbourne Museum - that it would be perfect!
BWFC71 It would seem that the voice of reason does not apply here as you have got 27 thumbs down. Thank you for pointing out the obvious regarding links. I don't think it would be practical to take over all of Le Mans Crescent, though although it would be great. Some Social Services staff are next door to the Museum and the court if purpose built. There are still a few police around too, probably in the court bit. Nothing has been said either about the museums halls, Hall i'th' Wood and Smithills which get decent numbers of tourists both local and international. I was once in Hall i'th' Wood when a large group of Japanese people arrived.
Thank for your response Anne - but first bit of your response says it all about some people!

I like the Egyptology at Bolton Museum and always knew they had a lot more and knew, for a fact, that Bolton has the largest collection outside London in the UK - just a shame we don't have a museum/exhibition centre big enough to show them all - hopefully this idea takes off and is a success so that expansion can take place.
[quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Thomas222 that is a bit rich considering the amount of information you give out on here, with regards to UKIP, without any links whatsoever!!! Anyway this does sound good. Bolton has the largest Egyptology collection in Britain, outside London. If it means we can expand on what they already show (2 of the medium sized halls in the upstairs of the building) then that is fantastic. And as been said not one bit fo the Councils money has been spent on this but grants and Heritage funds to help bring back to the pubic the vas collection Bolton has in its vaults. The best thing that could happen is for the Magistrates Court to move into another building and then expand the museum and library to cover the whole building along Le-Man's Crescent - the police station is already an empty shell since the police moved into their state-of-the-art building at Burnden Park. Then only and only then could we class it as a fantastic exhibition centre. We need to expand on what we currently show. If we could have an exhibition centre like Melbourne Museum - that it would be perfect![/p][/quote]BWFC71 It would seem that the voice of reason does not apply here as you have got 27 thumbs down. Thank you for pointing out the obvious regarding links. I don't think it would be practical to take over all of Le Mans Crescent, though although it would be great. Some Social Services staff are next door to the Museum and the court if purpose built. There are still a few police around too, probably in the court bit. Nothing has been said either about the museums halls, Hall i'th' Wood and Smithills which get decent numbers of tourists both local and international. I was once in Hall i'th' Wood when a large group of Japanese people arrived.[/p][/quote]Thank for your response Anne - but first bit of your response says it all about some people! I like the Egyptology at Bolton Museum and always knew they had a lot more and knew, for a fact, that Bolton has the largest collection outside London in the UK - just a shame we don't have a museum/exhibition centre big enough to show them all - hopefully this idea takes off and is a success so that expansion can take place. BWFC71
  • Score: -26

4:17pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Beyond News Forum says...

rostron wrote:
Global visitors?
When not in museum, hope they know crossing of legs is necessary, as they will not find any toilets to use ! Visitors will not know certain shops MAY allow them to use their facilities. Total joke.
Upstairs near the art gallery.
[quote][p][bold]rostron[/bold] wrote: Global visitors? When not in museum, hope they know crossing of legs is necessary, as they will not find any toilets to use ! Visitors will not know certain shops MAY allow them to use their facilities. Total joke.[/p][/quote]Upstairs near the art gallery. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 2

5:04pm Sun 23 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
rostron wrote: Global visitors? When not in museum, hope they know crossing of legs is necessary, as they will not find any toilets to use ! Visitors will not know certain shops MAY allow them to use their facilities. Total joke.
Upstairs near the art gallery.
There are also some toilets in the basement, near the entrance to the aquarium - where the little café used to situated!
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rostron[/bold] wrote: Global visitors? When not in museum, hope they know crossing of legs is necessary, as they will not find any toilets to use ! Visitors will not know certain shops MAY allow them to use their facilities. Total joke.[/p][/quote]Upstairs near the art gallery.[/p][/quote]There are also some toilets in the basement, near the entrance to the aquarium - where the little café used to situated! BWFC71
  • Score: -30

8:47pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Ernagy2 says...

Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote:
This to me is good news for the town. We need more tourist attractions as the shopping area will be reduced as people shop on the internet more.

Though many might question whether like the Elgin Marbles the pieces belong to Egypt.

I feel sorry that we can't get anything on Bolton's place in the Civil War - it's like we want to 'bury' (not meant to be a pun) that side of the towns history. All we seem to have to show for it is a wooden stool that the Earl of Derby sat on (which is in the Man and Scythe pub) and even that has been questioned.

We need more things like this in the town to get people spending their money in the shops. I also think we should be spending money on an Exhibition Centre as this would mean we could hold many prestige events which we lose to other towns and cities.
There was once a Civil War exhibition at Little Bolton Town Hall around 1992. I don't know where the artefacts came from though. The Egyptian items in the museum were mainly brought back by Annie Barlow who was a spinster and part of the textile Barlow (Barlow and Jones etc.) family. She gifted her collection from Egypt to the museum, I doubt that we would every be able to find out the original owners but she did, however, buy them. There is information about her at the museum and I should think elsewhere as she was quite an incredible lady.
I didn't know about the exhibition in Little Bolton Town Hall. I've never been in there and never knew it was on - would love to have seen it.

I was making the broader point about the morale case of having the Egyptian items as many might think they belong to Egypt, personally think it's okay, but I do recognise that to some people they may see it as wrong. I have seen the information about Annie Barlow.

I am sure I have read in the Bolton News that there are plans to extend the museum further into Le Mans crescent taking up some of the old police station and I too would welcome this. Think money is the problem.
[quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: This to me is good news for the town. We need more tourist attractions as the shopping area will be reduced as people shop on the internet more. Though many might question whether like the Elgin Marbles the pieces belong to Egypt. I feel sorry that we can't get anything on Bolton's place in the Civil War - it's like we want to 'bury' (not meant to be a pun) that side of the towns history. All we seem to have to show for it is a wooden stool that the Earl of Derby sat on (which is in the Man and Scythe pub) and even that has been questioned. We need more things like this in the town to get people spending their money in the shops. I also think we should be spending money on an Exhibition Centre as this would mean we could hold many prestige events which we lose to other towns and cities.[/p][/quote]There was once a Civil War exhibition at Little Bolton Town Hall around 1992. I don't know where the artefacts came from though. The Egyptian items in the museum were mainly brought back by Annie Barlow who was a spinster and part of the textile Barlow (Barlow and Jones etc.) family. She gifted her collection from Egypt to the museum, I doubt that we would every be able to find out the original owners but she did, however, buy them. There is information about her at the museum and I should think elsewhere as she was quite an incredible lady.[/p][/quote]I didn't know about the exhibition in Little Bolton Town Hall. I've never been in there and never knew it was on - would love to have seen it. I was making the broader point about the morale case of having the Egyptian items as many might think they belong to Egypt, personally think it's okay, but I do recognise that to some people they may see it as wrong. I have seen the information about Annie Barlow. I am sure I have read in the Bolton News that there are plans to extend the museum further into Le Mans crescent taking up some of the old police station and I too would welcome this. Think money is the problem. Ernagy2
  • Score: 1

9:08pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Ernagy2 says...

To add to my earlier thread, it is ironic that Nottinghamshire council has been given a lottery grant of £3.5 million to house the first British Civil war Museum. It is expected to attract 60,000 visitors - just what Bolton needs. It is said that Newark is said to have been in the "thick of the action".

This is could have made a difference to the town.
To add to my earlier thread, it is ironic that Nottinghamshire council has been given a lottery grant of £3.5 million to house the first British Civil war Museum. It is expected to attract 60,000 visitors - just what Bolton needs. It is said that Newark is said to have been in the "thick of the action". This is could have made a difference to the town. Ernagy2
  • Score: 3

10:00pm Sun 23 Mar 14

Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent says...

JustBecause wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
JustBecause wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)
If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.
Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.
If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research!
Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any!
I am not wasting any more time and effort as whatever I say you will dispute!
Are you employed by the museum, community correspondent ?

Your PR, and communications skills are diabolical.
Your peevishness is unbecoming, it seems that when you do not get your own way you resort to insults and furthermore, infer that my 'diabolical' communication skills and PR must be the result of working for the museum. I don't need to have good PR, no-one is paying me to post on this page and the title of Community Correspondent was given to me quite some time ago by the Bolton Evening News. I don't need paying to attempt to put people straight who cannot read a news item without looking for negative things to say, and as far as I know the council has its own PR department. As far as communication skills are concerned, I have merely tried to explain to you what the Lottery money has, and will be used for. I would say that this is a fair attempt at communication. I would suggest that it is your skills of reading and comprehension that are lacking if you cannot see that. However, as I said in my first sentence, this argument is becoming rather peevish - it is easy to be insulting to a woman especially anonymously isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: And I would like to have a breakdown of £1m. That's a shed load of cash for some false walls and a bit of lighting, I mean it probably cost less to build the original :)[/p][/quote]If you kept up with the Museum's activities, you would see that there have been consultations and information available to the public.[/p][/quote]Oh I see by "public consultation" you mean its my responsibility to see what is going on and when, my mistake. Must remember to stop every time I go past to see what "public consultation" is going on that week. And if you read my post, it never said anything about the consultation, it was asking where £1.8m pound is being used and another £115,000 that was used to come up with a plan, is there a public register of costs associated with this, if so where can I get a copy? Because someone somewhere need a business lesson on how not so squander money. What you fail to realise is that this is the wrong way round, sure you may bring a few tourist to Bolton, and when I say tourist I mean people from a 50 mile radius,then what, the museum is free, are these tourist going to spend their money locally on all the fine places to eat and drink.... I for one would bet you all that money that if you asked the people of Bolton what we could spend 1.9million pounds on it wouldn't be a fake tomb in the museum.[/p][/quote]If you read the article properly you will find that the money is from the Lottery Fund which any group can apply for. The initial amount was for plans to be drawn up and the creation of several jobs which digitized the whole Egyptology collection which is substantial. Most of it has not been on display due to lack of space. Should this plan come to fruition on the granting of the rest of the money applied for there will be restructuring of the present Egyptology gallery and this will obviously not come cheap. If you apply for Lottery Money it has to be spent on what you have said you are to spend it on that is the point. It has so far cost the people of Bolton not one penny nor will it should it be seen through to completion. The 'fake tomb' as you so eloquently put it will be much more tastefully done than you obviously imagine. Regarding consultation it has been in the paper several times over the past year. This year has been concentrated on specific interest groups and schools . The museum itself has had a display of plans for the new gallery from the off. Anyone ringing up will find that the staff are always co-operative and helpful with any request from the public. Regarding your remark about tourists coming from a 50 mile radius is way off. People come from all over the world if only as a stopping off point on a holiday visit. If you don't believe any of this just do your research![/p][/quote]Give me some links where i can look at your claims regarding people from all over the world coming to visit as tourists in Bolton & not people from other Countries moving here please ?. I cant find any![/p][/quote]I am not wasting any more time and effort as whatever I say you will dispute![/p][/quote]Are you employed by the museum, community correspondent ? Your PR, and communications skills are diabolical.[/p][/quote]Your peevishness is unbecoming, it seems that when you do not get your own way you resort to insults and furthermore, infer that my 'diabolical' communication skills and PR must be the result of working for the museum. I don't need to have good PR, no-one is paying me to post on this page and the title of Community Correspondent was given to me quite some time ago by the Bolton Evening News. I don't need paying to attempt to put people straight who cannot read a news item without looking for negative things to say, and as far as I know the council has its own PR department. As far as communication skills are concerned, I have merely tried to explain to you what the Lottery money has, and will be used for. I would say that this is a fair attempt at communication. I would suggest that it is your skills of reading and comprehension that are lacking if you cannot see that. However, as I said in my first sentence, this argument is becoming rather peevish - it is easy to be insulting to a woman especially anonymously isn't it? Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent
  • Score: 2

10:07pm Sun 23 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Ernagy2 wrote:
Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote: This to me is good news for the town. We need more tourist attractions as the shopping area will be reduced as people shop on the internet more. Though many might question whether like the Elgin Marbles the pieces belong to Egypt. I feel sorry that we can't get anything on Bolton's place in the Civil War - it's like we want to 'bury' (not meant to be a pun) that side of the towns history. All we seem to have to show for it is a wooden stool that the Earl of Derby sat on (which is in the Man and Scythe pub) and even that has been questioned. We need more things like this in the town to get people spending their money in the shops. I also think we should be spending money on an Exhibition Centre as this would mean we could hold many prestige events which we lose to other towns and cities.
There was once a Civil War exhibition at Little Bolton Town Hall around 1992. I don't know where the artefacts came from though. The Egyptian items in the museum were mainly brought back by Annie Barlow who was a spinster and part of the textile Barlow (Barlow and Jones etc.) family. She gifted her collection from Egypt to the museum, I doubt that we would every be able to find out the original owners but she did, however, buy them. There is information about her at the museum and I should think elsewhere as she was quite an incredible lady.
I didn't know about the exhibition in Little Bolton Town Hall. I've never been in there and never knew it was on - would love to have seen it. I was making the broader point about the morale case of having the Egyptian items as many might think they belong to Egypt, personally think it's okay, but I do recognise that to some people they may see it as wrong. I have seen the information about Annie Barlow. I am sure I have read in the Bolton News that there are plans to extend the museum further into Le Mans crescent taking up some of the old police station and I too would welcome this. Think money is the problem.
I hope they do extend into it at some point, even if it becomes a sponsored area (a bit like the commercial zone part of the Lowry where one pays to visit the exhibition).

With regards to the Little Bolton Town Hall, I remember going in there when I was a child and was mesmerised by what they had on show and showed how Bolton was. It was a shame that the Council closed it (again due to lack of funds for the keep-up of the building - closed during the same years when the LibDems were in power and they also closed The Water Place and sold off The Market Show). Even now the building stand but from what I heard been sold to a Casino company!!! Pathetic of the council, it could easily have been a further museum to show how Bolton has grown through the centuries - a bit like a little section of the Central Museum does now - but on a bigger scale!
[quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anne Crompton, Community Correspondent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: This to me is good news for the town. We need more tourist attractions as the shopping area will be reduced as people shop on the internet more. Though many might question whether like the Elgin Marbles the pieces belong to Egypt. I feel sorry that we can't get anything on Bolton's place in the Civil War - it's like we want to 'bury' (not meant to be a pun) that side of the towns history. All we seem to have to show for it is a wooden stool that the Earl of Derby sat on (which is in the Man and Scythe pub) and even that has been questioned. We need more things like this in the town to get people spending their money in the shops. I also think we should be spending money on an Exhibition Centre as this would mean we could hold many prestige events which we lose to other towns and cities.[/p][/quote]There was once a Civil War exhibition at Little Bolton Town Hall around 1992. I don't know where the artefacts came from though. The Egyptian items in the museum were mainly brought back by Annie Barlow who was a spinster and part of the textile Barlow (Barlow and Jones etc.) family. She gifted her collection from Egypt to the museum, I doubt that we would every be able to find out the original owners but she did, however, buy them. There is information about her at the museum and I should think elsewhere as she was quite an incredible lady.[/p][/quote]I didn't know about the exhibition in Little Bolton Town Hall. I've never been in there and never knew it was on - would love to have seen it. I was making the broader point about the morale case of having the Egyptian items as many might think they belong to Egypt, personally think it's okay, but I do recognise that to some people they may see it as wrong. I have seen the information about Annie Barlow. I am sure I have read in the Bolton News that there are plans to extend the museum further into Le Mans crescent taking up some of the old police station and I too would welcome this. Think money is the problem.[/p][/quote]I hope they do extend into it at some point, even if it becomes a sponsored area (a bit like the commercial zone part of the Lowry where one pays to visit the exhibition). With regards to the Little Bolton Town Hall, I remember going in there when I was a child and was mesmerised by what they had on show and showed how Bolton was. It was a shame that the Council closed it (again due to lack of funds for the keep-up of the building - closed during the same years when the LibDems were in power and they also closed The Water Place and sold off The Market Show). Even now the building stand but from what I heard been sold to a Casino company!!! Pathetic of the council, it could easily have been a further museum to show how Bolton has grown through the centuries - a bit like a little section of the Central Museum does now - but on a bigger scale! BWFC71
  • Score: -6

10:13pm Sun 23 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Ernagy2 wrote:
To add to my earlier thread, it is ironic that Nottinghamshire council has been given a lottery grant of £3.5 million to house the first British Civil war Museum. It is expected to attract 60,000 visitors - just what Bolton needs. It is said that Newark is said to have been in the "thick of the action". This is could have made a difference to the town.
Totally agree with you.

And lets put it this way we were the only ton in the area that was Parliamentarian and not royalists and then with certain battles that took place around the town thus giving us place names like Daubhill. It is one reason why we will never be a city but why is it the Council, f all persuasions, seem to want to forget about that turbulent part of the towns history - it is rich in facts, stories and, dare I say it again, history!
[quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: To add to my earlier thread, it is ironic that Nottinghamshire council has been given a lottery grant of £3.5 million to house the first British Civil war Museum. It is expected to attract 60,000 visitors - just what Bolton needs. It is said that Newark is said to have been in the "thick of the action". This is could have made a difference to the town.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you. And lets put it this way we were the only ton in the area that was Parliamentarian and not royalists and then with certain battles that took place around the town thus giving us place names like Daubhill. It is one reason why we will never be a city but why is it the Council, f all persuasions, seem to want to forget about that turbulent part of the towns history - it is rich in facts, stories and, dare I say it again, history! BWFC71
  • Score: -17

10:30pm Sun 23 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Thomas222 If you have been watching The Sunday Politics then you will have heard of a test which you could take. Here is the link; http://populuslive.s pss-asp.com/ASP/P002 786/Holding.asp Try it for yourself - I am Cosmopolitan Critic. I'd be interested to see what you are, and anyone else who takes it!
You are very good at telling people what they are doing wrong but very poor at saying what you think should be done & how to do it. Empty vessels make the most noise so they say. : )
Ps. Dont dream about ukip! : )
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Thomas222 If you have been watching The Sunday Politics then you will have heard of a test which you could take. Here is the link; http://populuslive.s pss-asp.com/ASP/P002 786/Holding.asp Try it for yourself - I am Cosmopolitan Critic. I'd be interested to see what you are, and anyone else who takes it![/p][/quote]You are very good at telling people what they are doing wrong but very poor at saying what you think should be done & how to do it. Empty vessels make the most noise so they say. : ) Ps. Dont dream about ukip! : ) thomas222
  • Score: 0

10:36pm Sun 23 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Thomas222 If you have been watching The Sunday Politics then you will have heard of a test which you could take. Here is the link; http://populuslive.s pss-asp.com/ASP/P002 786/Holding.asp Try it for yourself - I am Cosmopolitan Critic. I'd be interested to see what you are, and anyone else who takes it!
You are very good at telling people what they are doing wrong but very poor at saying what you think should be done & how to do it. Empty vessels make the most noise so they say. : ) Ps. Dont dream about ukip! : )
As Anne has aid, I have answered all your questions and even given examples as to why and how things can and should be done. But I am still awaiting on what UKIP has to offer, locally, to gain the votes in the local elections. We know what they want nationally, but locally? Is that too difficult to ask?

Tories - will freeze Council Tax, take the money from Central Government and keep all front line duties going
Labour - will continue to cut services, increase expenses and increase Council Tax, thus supposedly creating a surplus to save for the next round of cuts which will definitely hit front line services
LibDems - Increase Council Tax but also reduce or even freeze front line services BUT increase activities to bring people back into the town
UKIP - ?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Thomas222 If you have been watching The Sunday Politics then you will have heard of a test which you could take. Here is the link; http://populuslive.s pss-asp.com/ASP/P002 786/Holding.asp Try it for yourself - I am Cosmopolitan Critic. I'd be interested to see what you are, and anyone else who takes it![/p][/quote]You are very good at telling people what they are doing wrong but very poor at saying what you think should be done & how to do it. Empty vessels make the most noise so they say. : ) Ps. Dont dream about ukip! : )[/p][/quote]As Anne has aid, I have answered all your questions and even given examples as to why and how things can and should be done. But I am still awaiting on what UKIP has to offer, locally, to gain the votes in the local elections. We know what they want nationally, but locally? Is that too difficult to ask? Tories - will freeze Council Tax, take the money from Central Government and keep all front line duties going Labour - will continue to cut services, increase expenses and increase Council Tax, thus supposedly creating a surplus to save for the next round of cuts which will definitely hit front line services LibDems - Increase Council Tax but also reduce or even freeze front line services BUT increase activities to bring people back into the town UKIP - ? BWFC71
  • Score: -19

10:41pm Sun 23 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Thomas222 If you have been watching The Sunday Politics then you will have heard of a test which you could take. Here is the link; http://populuslive.s pss-asp.com/ASP/P002 786/Holding.asp Try it for yourself - I am Cosmopolitan Critic. I'd be interested to see what you are, and anyone else who takes it!
You are very good at telling people what they are doing wrong but very poor at saying what you think should be done & how to do it. Empty vessels make the most noise so they say. : ) Ps. Dont dream about ukip! : )
As Anne has aid, I have answered all your questions and even given examples as to why and how things can and should be done. But I am still awaiting on what UKIP has to offer, locally, to gain the votes in the local elections. We know what they want nationally, but locally? Is that too difficult to ask? Tories - will freeze Council Tax, take the money from Central Government and keep all front line duties going Labour - will continue to cut services, increase expenses and increase Council Tax, thus supposedly creating a surplus to save for the next round of cuts which will definitely hit front line services LibDems - Increase Council Tax but also reduce or even freeze front line services BUT increase activities to bring people back into the town UKIP - ?
I have better things to do than type what you ask. If you want to know then go and find out and type yourself what you find. You can be a one Man anti ukip army. BTW..... Have you eaten out today & if you did was the paperwork ok before you ate. : )
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Thomas222 If you have been watching The Sunday Politics then you will have heard of a test which you could take. Here is the link; http://populuslive.s pss-asp.com/ASP/P002 786/Holding.asp Try it for yourself - I am Cosmopolitan Critic. I'd be interested to see what you are, and anyone else who takes it![/p][/quote]You are very good at telling people what they are doing wrong but very poor at saying what you think should be done & how to do it. Empty vessels make the most noise so they say. : ) Ps. Dont dream about ukip! : )[/p][/quote]As Anne has aid, I have answered all your questions and even given examples as to why and how things can and should be done. But I am still awaiting on what UKIP has to offer, locally, to gain the votes in the local elections. We know what they want nationally, but locally? Is that too difficult to ask? Tories - will freeze Council Tax, take the money from Central Government and keep all front line duties going Labour - will continue to cut services, increase expenses and increase Council Tax, thus supposedly creating a surplus to save for the next round of cuts which will definitely hit front line services LibDems - Increase Council Tax but also reduce or even freeze front line services BUT increase activities to bring people back into the town UKIP - ?[/p][/quote]I have better things to do than type what you ask. If you want to know then go and find out and type yourself what you find. You can be a one Man anti ukip army. BTW..... Have you eaten out today & if you did was the paperwork ok before you ate. : ) thomas222
  • Score: 0

10:46pm Sun 23 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Thomas222 If you have been watching The Sunday Politics then you will have heard of a test which you could take. Here is the link; http://populuslive.s pss-asp.com/ASP/P002 786/Holding.asp Try it for yourself - I am Cosmopolitan Critic. I'd be interested to see what you are, and anyone else who takes it!
You are very good at telling people what they are doing wrong but very poor at saying what you think should be done & how to do it. Empty vessels make the most noise so they say. : ) Ps. Dont dream about ukip! : )
As Anne has aid, I have answered all your questions and even given examples as to why and how things can and should be done. But I am still awaiting on what UKIP has to offer, locally, to gain the votes in the local elections. We know what they want nationally, but locally? Is that too difficult to ask? Tories - will freeze Council Tax, take the money from Central Government and keep all front line duties going Labour - will continue to cut services, increase expenses and increase Council Tax, thus supposedly creating a surplus to save for the next round of cuts which will definitely hit front line services LibDems - Increase Council Tax but also reduce or even freeze front line services BUT increase activities to bring people back into the town UKIP - ?
I said what would you do not what the ones you mention would do. See what i mean good at saying what others are doing but never yourself.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Thomas222 If you have been watching The Sunday Politics then you will have heard of a test which you could take. Here is the link; http://populuslive.s pss-asp.com/ASP/P002 786/Holding.asp Try it for yourself - I am Cosmopolitan Critic. I'd be interested to see what you are, and anyone else who takes it![/p][/quote]You are very good at telling people what they are doing wrong but very poor at saying what you think should be done & how to do it. Empty vessels make the most noise so they say. : ) Ps. Dont dream about ukip! : )[/p][/quote]As Anne has aid, I have answered all your questions and even given examples as to why and how things can and should be done. But I am still awaiting on what UKIP has to offer, locally, to gain the votes in the local elections. We know what they want nationally, but locally? Is that too difficult to ask? Tories - will freeze Council Tax, take the money from Central Government and keep all front line duties going Labour - will continue to cut services, increase expenses and increase Council Tax, thus supposedly creating a surplus to save for the next round of cuts which will definitely hit front line services LibDems - Increase Council Tax but also reduce or even freeze front line services BUT increase activities to bring people back into the town UKIP - ?[/p][/quote]I said what would you do not what the ones you mention would do. See what i mean good at saying what others are doing but never yourself. thomas222
  • Score: 0

10:49pm Sun 23 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Thomas222 If you have been watching The Sunday Politics then you will have heard of a test which you could take. Here is the link; http://populuslive.s pss-asp.com/ASP/P002 786/Holding.asp Try it for yourself - I am Cosmopolitan Critic. I'd be interested to see what you are, and anyone else who takes it!
You are very good at telling people what they are doing wrong but very poor at saying what you think should be done & how to do it. Empty vessels make the most noise so they say. : ) Ps. Dont dream about ukip! : )
As Anne has aid, I have answered all your questions and even given examples as to why and how things can and should be done. But I am still awaiting on what UKIP has to offer, locally, to gain the votes in the local elections. We know what they want nationally, but locally? Is that too difficult to ask? Tories - will freeze Council Tax, take the money from Central Government and keep all front line duties going Labour - will continue to cut services, increase expenses and increase Council Tax, thus supposedly creating a surplus to save for the next round of cuts which will definitely hit front line services LibDems - Increase Council Tax but also reduce or even freeze front line services BUT increase activities to bring people back into the town UKIP - ?
I have better things to do than type what you ask. If you want to know then go and find out and type yourself what you find. You can be a one Man anti ukip army. BTW..... Have you eaten out today & if you did was the paperwork ok before you ate. : )
The menu was spot on, and I don't go because of ratings but because of the food. The ratings don't mean anything and hygiene and cleanliness is NOT taken into account. Latino Lounge is always a great place to go on a Sunday evening!

But you support UKIP and always defend them, therefore you ought to know what they canvassing locally with the various local issues - therefore wouldn't be better for YOU to sell what they have to offer locally rather than a sterile website which doesn't show any passion for what it says!

Most importantly I want to know what UKIP has planned for the libraries, museums, Council Tax and most importantly the state of the roads. I know nothing can be done with Business Rates as that is a Central Government tax and not a local tax? Also what will they do with the various artefacts the museums holds in the vaults?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Thomas222 If you have been watching The Sunday Politics then you will have heard of a test which you could take. Here is the link; http://populuslive.s pss-asp.com/ASP/P002 786/Holding.asp Try it for yourself - I am Cosmopolitan Critic. I'd be interested to see what you are, and anyone else who takes it![/p][/quote]You are very good at telling people what they are doing wrong but very poor at saying what you think should be done & how to do it. Empty vessels make the most noise so they say. : ) Ps. Dont dream about ukip! : )[/p][/quote]As Anne has aid, I have answered all your questions and even given examples as to why and how things can and should be done. But I am still awaiting on what UKIP has to offer, locally, to gain the votes in the local elections. We know what they want nationally, but locally? Is that too difficult to ask? Tories - will freeze Council Tax, take the money from Central Government and keep all front line duties going Labour - will continue to cut services, increase expenses and increase Council Tax, thus supposedly creating a surplus to save for the next round of cuts which will definitely hit front line services LibDems - Increase Council Tax but also reduce or even freeze front line services BUT increase activities to bring people back into the town UKIP - ?[/p][/quote]I have better things to do than type what you ask. If you want to know then go and find out and type yourself what you find. You can be a one Man anti ukip army. BTW..... Have you eaten out today & if you did was the paperwork ok before you ate. : )[/p][/quote]The menu was spot on, and I don't go because of ratings but because of the food. The ratings don't mean anything and hygiene and cleanliness is NOT taken into account. Latino Lounge is always a great place to go on a Sunday evening! But you support UKIP and always defend them, therefore you ought to know what they canvassing locally with the various local issues - therefore wouldn't be better for YOU to sell what they have to offer locally rather than a sterile website which doesn't show any passion for what it says! Most importantly I want to know what UKIP has planned for the libraries, museums, Council Tax and most importantly the state of the roads. I know nothing can be done with Business Rates as that is a Central Government tax and not a local tax? Also what will they do with the various artefacts the museums holds in the vaults? BWFC71
  • Score: -17

10:50pm Sun 23 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote: To add to my earlier thread, it is ironic that Nottinghamshire council has been given a lottery grant of £3.5 million to house the first British Civil war Museum. It is expected to attract 60,000 visitors - just what Bolton needs. It is said that Newark is said to have been in the "thick of the action". This is could have made a difference to the town.
Totally agree with you. And lets put it this way we were the only ton in the area that was Parliamentarian and not royalists and then with certain battles that took place around the town thus giving us place names like Daubhill. It is one reason why we will never be a city but why is it the Council, f all persuasions, seem to want to forget about that turbulent part of the towns history - it is rich in facts, stories and, dare I say it again, history!
God is there anything this man does not know....
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: To add to my earlier thread, it is ironic that Nottinghamshire council has been given a lottery grant of £3.5 million to house the first British Civil war Museum. It is expected to attract 60,000 visitors - just what Bolton needs. It is said that Newark is said to have been in the "thick of the action". This is could have made a difference to the town.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you. And lets put it this way we were the only ton in the area that was Parliamentarian and not royalists and then with certain battles that took place around the town thus giving us place names like Daubhill. It is one reason why we will never be a city but why is it the Council, f all persuasions, seem to want to forget about that turbulent part of the towns history - it is rich in facts, stories and, dare I say it again, history![/p][/quote]God is there anything this man does not know.... thomas222
  • Score: 0

10:57pm Sun 23 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote: To add to my earlier thread, it is ironic that Nottinghamshire council has been given a lottery grant of £3.5 million to house the first British Civil war Museum. It is expected to attract 60,000 visitors - just what Bolton needs. It is said that Newark is said to have been in the "thick of the action". This is could have made a difference to the town.
Totally agree with you. And lets put it this way we were the only ton in the area that was Parliamentarian and not royalists and then with certain battles that took place around the town thus giving us place names like Daubhill. It is one reason why we will never be a city but why is it the Council, f all persuasions, seem to want to forget about that turbulent part of the towns history - it is rich in facts, stories and, dare I say it again, history!
God is there anything this man does not know....
You ought to know about your local history - you are supposed to live in Bolton!! Bolton is enriched with history from the first market days, when it gained its charter in the 13th Century through to the cottage industry of millers who predominantly came over from Holland and Belgium to the industrial revolution which we were in the middle of through to more recent times when we were massive in industry and aeroplane manufacturing in Lostock (De Havilland) and more recently actually building the new Hong Kong airport and shipping it out in parts and the construction of various Commnwealth stadia in Manchester and Olympic stadia in London.

I am a proud Boltonian - of its history, tolerance and its people whether born in Bolton or moved here - all part of what Bolton a fantastic town - just currently badly run by the current councillors!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: To add to my earlier thread, it is ironic that Nottinghamshire council has been given a lottery grant of £3.5 million to house the first British Civil war Museum. It is expected to attract 60,000 visitors - just what Bolton needs. It is said that Newark is said to have been in the "thick of the action". This is could have made a difference to the town.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you. And lets put it this way we were the only ton in the area that was Parliamentarian and not royalists and then with certain battles that took place around the town thus giving us place names like Daubhill. It is one reason why we will never be a city but why is it the Council, f all persuasions, seem to want to forget about that turbulent part of the towns history - it is rich in facts, stories and, dare I say it again, history![/p][/quote]God is there anything this man does not know....[/p][/quote]You ought to know about your local history - you are supposed to live in Bolton!! Bolton is enriched with history from the first market days, when it gained its charter in the 13th Century through to the cottage industry of millers who predominantly came over from Holland and Belgium to the industrial revolution which we were in the middle of through to more recent times when we were massive in industry and aeroplane manufacturing in Lostock (De Havilland) and more recently actually building the new Hong Kong airport and shipping it out in parts and the construction of various Commnwealth stadia in Manchester and Olympic stadia in London. I am a proud Boltonian - of its history, tolerance and its people whether born in Bolton or moved here - all part of what Bolton a fantastic town - just currently badly run by the current councillors! BWFC71
  • Score: 2

10:58pm Sun 23 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Thomas222 If you have been watching The Sunday Politics then you will have heard of a test which you could take. Here is the link; http://populuslive.s pss-asp.com/ASP/P002 786/Holding.asp Try it for yourself - I am Cosmopolitan Critic. I'd be interested to see what you are, and anyone else who takes it!
You are very good at telling people what they are doing wrong but very poor at saying what you think should be done & how to do it. Empty vessels make the most noise so they say. : ) Ps. Dont dream about ukip! : )
As Anne has aid, I have answered all your questions and even given examples as to why and how things can and should be done. But I am still awaiting on what UKIP has to offer, locally, to gain the votes in the local elections. We know what they want nationally, but locally? Is that too difficult to ask? Tories - will freeze Council Tax, take the money from Central Government and keep all front line duties going Labour - will continue to cut services, increase expenses and increase Council Tax, thus supposedly creating a surplus to save for the next round of cuts which will definitely hit front line services LibDems - Increase Council Tax but also reduce or even freeze front line services BUT increase activities to bring people back into the town UKIP - ?
I have better things to do than type what you ask. If you want to know then go and find out and type yourself what you find. You can be a one Man anti ukip army. BTW..... Have you eaten out today & if you did was the paperwork ok before you ate. : )
The menu was spot on, and I don't go because of ratings but because of the food. The ratings don't mean anything and hygiene and cleanliness is NOT taken into account. Latino Lounge is always a great place to go on a Sunday evening! But you support UKIP and always defend them, therefore you ought to know what they canvassing locally with the various local issues - therefore wouldn't be better for YOU to sell what they have to offer locally rather than a sterile website which doesn't show any passion for what it says! Most importantly I want to know what UKIP has planned for the libraries, museums, Council Tax and most importantly the state of the roads. I know nothing can be done with Business Rates as that is a Central Government tax and not a local tax? Also what will they do with the various artefacts the museums holds in the vaults?
No one can do anything about the things you mention as there is no money yet until the waste & overstaffed council gets sorted..... anyone comes with those ideas are lying we are skint.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Thomas222 If you have been watching The Sunday Politics then you will have heard of a test which you could take. Here is the link; http://populuslive.s pss-asp.com/ASP/P002 786/Holding.asp Try it for yourself - I am Cosmopolitan Critic. I'd be interested to see what you are, and anyone else who takes it![/p][/quote]You are very good at telling people what they are doing wrong but very poor at saying what you think should be done & how to do it. Empty vessels make the most noise so they say. : ) Ps. Dont dream about ukip! : )[/p][/quote]As Anne has aid, I have answered all your questions and even given examples as to why and how things can and should be done. But I am still awaiting on what UKIP has to offer, locally, to gain the votes in the local elections. We know what they want nationally, but locally? Is that too difficult to ask? Tories - will freeze Council Tax, take the money from Central Government and keep all front line duties going Labour - will continue to cut services, increase expenses and increase Council Tax, thus supposedly creating a surplus to save for the next round of cuts which will definitely hit front line services LibDems - Increase Council Tax but also reduce or even freeze front line services BUT increase activities to bring people back into the town UKIP - ?[/p][/quote]I have better things to do than type what you ask. If you want to know then go and find out and type yourself what you find. You can be a one Man anti ukip army. BTW..... Have you eaten out today & if you did was the paperwork ok before you ate. : )[/p][/quote]The menu was spot on, and I don't go because of ratings but because of the food. The ratings don't mean anything and hygiene and cleanliness is NOT taken into account. Latino Lounge is always a great place to go on a Sunday evening! But you support UKIP and always defend them, therefore you ought to know what they canvassing locally with the various local issues - therefore wouldn't be better for YOU to sell what they have to offer locally rather than a sterile website which doesn't show any passion for what it says! Most importantly I want to know what UKIP has planned for the libraries, museums, Council Tax and most importantly the state of the roads. I know nothing can be done with Business Rates as that is a Central Government tax and not a local tax? Also what will they do with the various artefacts the museums holds in the vaults?[/p][/quote]No one can do anything about the things you mention as there is no money yet until the waste & overstaffed council gets sorted..... anyone comes with those ideas are lying we are skint. thomas222
  • Score: -1

11:01pm Sun 23 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote: To add to my earlier thread, it is ironic that Nottinghamshire council has been given a lottery grant of £3.5 million to house the first British Civil war Museum. It is expected to attract 60,000 visitors - just what Bolton needs. It is said that Newark is said to have been in the "thick of the action". This is could have made a difference to the town.
Totally agree with you. And lets put it this way we were the only ton in the area that was Parliamentarian and not royalists and then with certain battles that took place around the town thus giving us place names like Daubhill. It is one reason why we will never be a city but why is it the Council, f all persuasions, seem to want to forget about that turbulent part of the towns history - it is rich in facts, stories and, dare I say it again, history!
God is there anything this man does not know....
You ought to know about your local history - you are supposed to live in Bolton!! Bolton is enriched with history from the first market days, when it gained its charter in the 13th Century through to the cottage industry of millers who predominantly came over from Holland and Belgium to the industrial revolution which we were in the middle of through to more recent times when we were massive in industry and aeroplane manufacturing in Lostock (De Havilland) and more recently actually building the new Hong Kong airport and shipping it out in parts and the construction of various Commnwealth stadia in Manchester and Olympic stadia in London. I am a proud Boltonian - of its history, tolerance and its people whether born in Bolton or moved here - all part of what Bolton a fantastic town - just currently badly run by the current councillors!
Stand for it then if your so proud instead of people you consider beneath you doing it. You know it all do something with your life for once.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: To add to my earlier thread, it is ironic that Nottinghamshire council has been given a lottery grant of £3.5 million to house the first British Civil war Museum. It is expected to attract 60,000 visitors - just what Bolton needs. It is said that Newark is said to have been in the "thick of the action". This is could have made a difference to the town.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you. And lets put it this way we were the only ton in the area that was Parliamentarian and not royalists and then with certain battles that took place around the town thus giving us place names like Daubhill. It is one reason why we will never be a city but why is it the Council, f all persuasions, seem to want to forget about that turbulent part of the towns history - it is rich in facts, stories and, dare I say it again, history![/p][/quote]God is there anything this man does not know....[/p][/quote]You ought to know about your local history - you are supposed to live in Bolton!! Bolton is enriched with history from the first market days, when it gained its charter in the 13th Century through to the cottage industry of millers who predominantly came over from Holland and Belgium to the industrial revolution which we were in the middle of through to more recent times when we were massive in industry and aeroplane manufacturing in Lostock (De Havilland) and more recently actually building the new Hong Kong airport and shipping it out in parts and the construction of various Commnwealth stadia in Manchester and Olympic stadia in London. I am a proud Boltonian - of its history, tolerance and its people whether born in Bolton or moved here - all part of what Bolton a fantastic town - just currently badly run by the current councillors![/p][/quote]Stand for it then if your so proud instead of people you consider beneath you doing it. You know it all do something with your life for once. thomas222
  • Score: 0

11:04pm Sun 23 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote: To add to my earlier thread, it is ironic that Nottinghamshire council has been given a lottery grant of £3.5 million to house the first British Civil war Museum. It is expected to attract 60,000 visitors - just what Bolton needs. It is said that Newark is said to have been in the "thick of the action". This is could have made a difference to the town.
Totally agree with you. And lets put it this way we were the only ton in the area that was Parliamentarian and not royalists and then with certain battles that took place around the town thus giving us place names like Daubhill. It is one reason why we will never be a city but why is it the Council, f all persuasions, seem to want to forget about that turbulent part of the towns history - it is rich in facts, stories and, dare I say it again, history!
God is there anything this man does not know....
You ought to know about your local history - you are supposed to live in Bolton!! Bolton is enriched with history from the first market days, when it gained its charter in the 13th Century through to the cottage industry of millers who predominantly came over from Holland and Belgium to the industrial revolution which we were in the middle of through to more recent times when we were massive in industry and aeroplane manufacturing in Lostock (De Havilland) and more recently actually building the new Hong Kong airport and shipping it out in parts and the construction of various Commnwealth stadia in Manchester and Olympic stadia in London. I am a proud Boltonian - of its history, tolerance and its people whether born in Bolton or moved here - all part of what Bolton a fantastic town - just currently badly run by the current councillors!
Stand for it then if your so proud instead of people you consider beneath you doing it. You know it all do something with your life for once.
I cannot stand as one has to have lived in the UK for 3 years before being able to stand. As I only moved back last January, I can't And anyway I would lose my deposit as Independent candidates don't do well due to historic voting patterns!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: To add to my earlier thread, it is ironic that Nottinghamshire council has been given a lottery grant of £3.5 million to house the first British Civil war Museum. It is expected to attract 60,000 visitors - just what Bolton needs. It is said that Newark is said to have been in the "thick of the action". This is could have made a difference to the town.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you. And lets put it this way we were the only ton in the area that was Parliamentarian and not royalists and then with certain battles that took place around the town thus giving us place names like Daubhill. It is one reason why we will never be a city but why is it the Council, f all persuasions, seem to want to forget about that turbulent part of the towns history - it is rich in facts, stories and, dare I say it again, history![/p][/quote]God is there anything this man does not know....[/p][/quote]You ought to know about your local history - you are supposed to live in Bolton!! Bolton is enriched with history from the first market days, when it gained its charter in the 13th Century through to the cottage industry of millers who predominantly came over from Holland and Belgium to the industrial revolution which we were in the middle of through to more recent times when we were massive in industry and aeroplane manufacturing in Lostock (De Havilland) and more recently actually building the new Hong Kong airport and shipping it out in parts and the construction of various Commnwealth stadia in Manchester and Olympic stadia in London. I am a proud Boltonian - of its history, tolerance and its people whether born in Bolton or moved here - all part of what Bolton a fantastic town - just currently badly run by the current councillors![/p][/quote]Stand for it then if your so proud instead of people you consider beneath you doing it. You know it all do something with your life for once.[/p][/quote]I cannot stand as one has to have lived in the UK for 3 years before being able to stand. As I only moved back last January, I can't And anyway I would lose my deposit as Independent candidates don't do well due to historic voting patterns! BWFC71
  • Score: -28

11:17pm Sun 23 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Thomas222 If you have been watching The Sunday Politics then you will have heard of a test which you could take. Here is the link; http://populuslive.s pss-asp.com/ASP/P002 786/Holding.asp Try it for yourself - I am Cosmopolitan Critic. I'd be interested to see what you are, and anyone else who takes it!
You are very good at telling people what they are doing wrong but very poor at saying what you think should be done & how to do it. Empty vessels make the most noise so they say. : ) Ps. Dont dream about ukip! : )
As Anne has aid, I have answered all your questions and even given examples as to why and how things can and should be done. But I am still awaiting on what UKIP has to offer, locally, to gain the votes in the local elections. We know what they want nationally, but locally? Is that too difficult to ask? Tories - will freeze Council Tax, take the money from Central Government and keep all front line duties going Labour - will continue to cut services, increase expenses and increase Council Tax, thus supposedly creating a surplus to save for the next round of cuts which will definitely hit front line services LibDems - Increase Council Tax but also reduce or even freeze front line services BUT increase activities to bring people back into the town UKIP - ?
I have better things to do than type what you ask. If you want to know then go and find out and type yourself what you find. You can be a one Man anti ukip army. BTW..... Have you eaten out today & if you did was the paperwork ok before you ate. : )
The menu was spot on, and I don't go because of ratings but because of the food. The ratings don't mean anything and hygiene and cleanliness is NOT taken into account. Latino Lounge is always a great place to go on a Sunday evening! But you support UKIP and always defend them, therefore you ought to know what they canvassing locally with the various local issues - therefore wouldn't be better for YOU to sell what they have to offer locally rather than a sterile website which doesn't show any passion for what it says! Most importantly I want to know what UKIP has planned for the libraries, museums, Council Tax and most importantly the state of the roads. I know nothing can be done with Business Rates as that is a Central Government tax and not a local tax? Also what will they do with the various artefacts the museums holds in the vaults?
No one can do anything about the things you mention as there is no money yet until the waste & overstaffed council gets sorted..... anyone comes with those ideas are lying we are skint.
How do you know we are skint?

What about the money in savings?

What about reforming expenses?

What about creating community programmes where people volunteer or what about sponsorships? Or creating new revenue streams such as buying property and renting them out like what all the other councils in Greater Manchester, except Bolton!

What about the money the got back after the Icelandic bank collapsed and took the Councils savings with it? That is not being used and its over £6million!!! (http://www.thebolto
nnews.co.uk/news/374
5070.Bolton_taxpayer
s_lose___6m_as_bank_
collapses/)

There are so many ways Bolton can create revenue streams without cutting costs, losing money or raising the Council Tax, but they don't want to. Just look at Bury, Manchester and Salford who have found ways and look at how prosperous they are compared to Bolton!

So, basically, you are saying that the council were right in raising the Council Tax and that UKIP would do it?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Thomas222 If you have been watching The Sunday Politics then you will have heard of a test which you could take. Here is the link; http://populuslive.s pss-asp.com/ASP/P002 786/Holding.asp Try it for yourself - I am Cosmopolitan Critic. I'd be interested to see what you are, and anyone else who takes it![/p][/quote]You are very good at telling people what they are doing wrong but very poor at saying what you think should be done & how to do it. Empty vessels make the most noise so they say. : ) Ps. Dont dream about ukip! : )[/p][/quote]As Anne has aid, I have answered all your questions and even given examples as to why and how things can and should be done. But I am still awaiting on what UKIP has to offer, locally, to gain the votes in the local elections. We know what they want nationally, but locally? Is that too difficult to ask? Tories - will freeze Council Tax, take the money from Central Government and keep all front line duties going Labour - will continue to cut services, increase expenses and increase Council Tax, thus supposedly creating a surplus to save for the next round of cuts which will definitely hit front line services LibDems - Increase Council Tax but also reduce or even freeze front line services BUT increase activities to bring people back into the town UKIP - ?[/p][/quote]I have better things to do than type what you ask. If you want to know then go and find out and type yourself what you find. You can be a one Man anti ukip army. BTW..... Have you eaten out today & if you did was the paperwork ok before you ate. : )[/p][/quote]The menu was spot on, and I don't go because of ratings but because of the food. The ratings don't mean anything and hygiene and cleanliness is NOT taken into account. Latino Lounge is always a great place to go on a Sunday evening! But you support UKIP and always defend them, therefore you ought to know what they canvassing locally with the various local issues - therefore wouldn't be better for YOU to sell what they have to offer locally rather than a sterile website which doesn't show any passion for what it says! Most importantly I want to know what UKIP has planned for the libraries, museums, Council Tax and most importantly the state of the roads. I know nothing can be done with Business Rates as that is a Central Government tax and not a local tax? Also what will they do with the various artefacts the museums holds in the vaults?[/p][/quote]No one can do anything about the things you mention as there is no money yet until the waste & overstaffed council gets sorted..... anyone comes with those ideas are lying we are skint.[/p][/quote]How do you know we are skint? What about the money in savings? What about reforming expenses? What about creating community programmes where people volunteer or what about sponsorships? Or creating new revenue streams such as buying property and renting them out like what all the other councils in Greater Manchester, except Bolton! What about the money the got back after the Icelandic bank collapsed and took the Councils savings with it? That is not being used and its over £6million!!! (http://www.thebolto nnews.co.uk/news/374 5070.Bolton_taxpayer s_lose___6m_as_bank_ collapses/) There are so many ways Bolton can create revenue streams without cutting costs, losing money or raising the Council Tax, but they don't want to. Just look at Bury, Manchester and Salford who have found ways and look at how prosperous they are compared to Bolton! So, basically, you are saying that the council were right in raising the Council Tax and that UKIP would do it? BWFC71
  • Score: -48

12:20am Mon 24 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote: To add to my earlier thread, it is ironic that Nottinghamshire council has been given a lottery grant of £3.5 million to house the first British Civil war Museum. It is expected to attract 60,000 visitors - just what Bolton needs. It is said that Newark is said to have been in the "thick of the action". This is could have made a difference to the town.
Totally agree with you. And lets put it this way we were the only ton in the area that was Parliamentarian and not royalists and then with certain battles that took place around the town thus giving us place names like Daubhill. It is one reason why we will never be a city but why is it the Council, f all persuasions, seem to want to forget about that turbulent part of the towns history - it is rich in facts, stories and, dare I say it again, history!
God is there anything this man does not know....
You ought to know about your local history - you are supposed to live in Bolton!! Bolton is enriched with history from the first market days, when it gained its charter in the 13th Century through to the cottage industry of millers who predominantly came over from Holland and Belgium to the industrial revolution which we were in the middle of through to more recent times when we were massive in industry and aeroplane manufacturing in Lostock (De Havilland) and more recently actually building the new Hong Kong airport and shipping it out in parts and the construction of various Commnwealth stadia in Manchester and Olympic stadia in London. I am a proud Boltonian - of its history, tolerance and its people whether born in Bolton or moved here - all part of what Bolton a fantastic town - just currently badly run by the current councillors!
Stand for it then if your so proud instead of people you consider beneath you doing it. You know it all do something with your life for once.
where did I ever say that the people were beneath me - you said that.

As it is I look at policies of political parties or if they are already in power how they have done during the last term(s)

As it is only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs and will not remove Labour from control!!!

But things do have to change and Labour will have to listen.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: To add to my earlier thread, it is ironic that Nottinghamshire council has been given a lottery grant of £3.5 million to house the first British Civil war Museum. It is expected to attract 60,000 visitors - just what Bolton needs. It is said that Newark is said to have been in the "thick of the action". This is could have made a difference to the town.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you. And lets put it this way we were the only ton in the area that was Parliamentarian and not royalists and then with certain battles that took place around the town thus giving us place names like Daubhill. It is one reason why we will never be a city but why is it the Council, f all persuasions, seem to want to forget about that turbulent part of the towns history - it is rich in facts, stories and, dare I say it again, history![/p][/quote]God is there anything this man does not know....[/p][/quote]You ought to know about your local history - you are supposed to live in Bolton!! Bolton is enriched with history from the first market days, when it gained its charter in the 13th Century through to the cottage industry of millers who predominantly came over from Holland and Belgium to the industrial revolution which we were in the middle of through to more recent times when we were massive in industry and aeroplane manufacturing in Lostock (De Havilland) and more recently actually building the new Hong Kong airport and shipping it out in parts and the construction of various Commnwealth stadia in Manchester and Olympic stadia in London. I am a proud Boltonian - of its history, tolerance and its people whether born in Bolton or moved here - all part of what Bolton a fantastic town - just currently badly run by the current councillors![/p][/quote]Stand for it then if your so proud instead of people you consider beneath you doing it. You know it all do something with your life for once.[/p][/quote]where did I ever say that the people were beneath me - you said that. As it is I look at policies of political parties or if they are already in power how they have done during the last term(s) As it is only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs and will not remove Labour from control!!! But things do have to change and Labour will have to listen. BWFC71
  • Score: -45

8:07am Mon 24 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Thomas222 If you have been watching The Sunday Politics then you will have heard of a test which you could take. Here is the link; http://populuslive.s pss-asp.com/ASP/P002 786/Holding.asp Try it for yourself - I am Cosmopolitan Critic. I'd be interested to see what you are, and anyone else who takes it!
You are very good at telling people what they are doing wrong but very poor at saying what you think should be done & how to do it. Empty vessels make the most noise so they say. : ) Ps. Dont dream about ukip! : )
As Anne has aid, I have answered all your questions and even given examples as to why and how things can and should be done. But I am still awaiting on what UKIP has to offer, locally, to gain the votes in the local elections. We know what they want nationally, but locally? Is that too difficult to ask? Tories - will freeze Council Tax, take the money from Central Government and keep all front line duties going Labour - will continue to cut services, increase expenses and increase Council Tax, thus supposedly creating a surplus to save for the next round of cuts which will definitely hit front line services LibDems - Increase Council Tax but also reduce or even freeze front line services BUT increase activities to bring people back into the town UKIP - ?
I have better things to do than type what you ask. If you want to know then go and find out and type yourself what you find. You can be a one Man anti ukip army. BTW..... Have you eaten out today & if you did was the paperwork ok before you ate. : )
The menu was spot on, and I don't go because of ratings but because of the food. The ratings don't mean anything and hygiene and cleanliness is NOT taken into account. Latino Lounge is always a great place to go on a Sunday evening! But you support UKIP and always defend them, therefore you ought to know what they canvassing locally with the various local issues - therefore wouldn't be better for YOU to sell what they have to offer locally rather than a sterile website which doesn't show any passion for what it says! Most importantly I want to know what UKIP has planned for the libraries, museums, Council Tax and most importantly the state of the roads. I know nothing can be done with Business Rates as that is a Central Government tax and not a local tax? Also what will they do with the various artefacts the museums holds in the vaults?
No one can do anything about the things you mention as there is no money yet until the waste & overstaffed council gets sorted..... anyone comes with those ideas are lying we are skint.
How do you know we are skint? What about the money in savings? What about reforming expenses? What about creating community programmes where people volunteer or what about sponsorships? Or creating new revenue streams such as buying property and renting them out like what all the other councils in Greater Manchester, except Bolton! What about the money the got back after the Icelandic bank collapsed and took the Councils savings with it? That is not being used and its over £6million!!! (http://www.thebolto nnews.co.uk/news/374 5070.Bolton_taxpayer s_lose___6m_as_bank_ collapses/) There are so many ways Bolton can create revenue streams without cutting costs, losing money or raising the Council Tax, but they don't want to. Just look at Bury, Manchester and Salford who have found ways and look at how prosperous they are compared to Bolton! So, basically, you are saying that the council were right in raising the Council Tax and that UKIP would do it?
No it was disgusting they didnt take the money to help people. There are many ways of cutting things but until one is in full knowledge of the state of the accounts how could one decide what to do. Not for one min do i think ukip will take Bolton & dont excpet them to just yet but they will get stronger & stronger hence my two elections comment. UKIP Cllrs job is to care for local issues to the area & no involvement with party poitics. The same is with any MPs who get voted in. They will all explain what they will do if they get in & not end up having more care for people in Lebanon ETC. ukips mps will represent local people only & not get bogged down with outside interests.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Thomas222 If you have been watching The Sunday Politics then you will have heard of a test which you could take. Here is the link; http://populuslive.s pss-asp.com/ASP/P002 786/Holding.asp Try it for yourself - I am Cosmopolitan Critic. I'd be interested to see what you are, and anyone else who takes it![/p][/quote]You are very good at telling people what they are doing wrong but very poor at saying what you think should be done & how to do it. Empty vessels make the most noise so they say. : ) Ps. Dont dream about ukip! : )[/p][/quote]As Anne has aid, I have answered all your questions and even given examples as to why and how things can and should be done. But I am still awaiting on what UKIP has to offer, locally, to gain the votes in the local elections. We know what they want nationally, but locally? Is that too difficult to ask? Tories - will freeze Council Tax, take the money from Central Government and keep all front line duties going Labour - will continue to cut services, increase expenses and increase Council Tax, thus supposedly creating a surplus to save for the next round of cuts which will definitely hit front line services LibDems - Increase Council Tax but also reduce or even freeze front line services BUT increase activities to bring people back into the town UKIP - ?[/p][/quote]I have better things to do than type what you ask. If you want to know then go and find out and type yourself what you find. You can be a one Man anti ukip army. BTW..... Have you eaten out today & if you did was the paperwork ok before you ate. : )[/p][/quote]The menu was spot on, and I don't go because of ratings but because of the food. The ratings don't mean anything and hygiene and cleanliness is NOT taken into account. Latino Lounge is always a great place to go on a Sunday evening! But you support UKIP and always defend them, therefore you ought to know what they canvassing locally with the various local issues - therefore wouldn't be better for YOU to sell what they have to offer locally rather than a sterile website which doesn't show any passion for what it says! Most importantly I want to know what UKIP has planned for the libraries, museums, Council Tax and most importantly the state of the roads. I know nothing can be done with Business Rates as that is a Central Government tax and not a local tax? Also what will they do with the various artefacts the museums holds in the vaults?[/p][/quote]No one can do anything about the things you mention as there is no money yet until the waste & overstaffed council gets sorted..... anyone comes with those ideas are lying we are skint.[/p][/quote]How do you know we are skint? What about the money in savings? What about reforming expenses? What about creating community programmes where people volunteer or what about sponsorships? Or creating new revenue streams such as buying property and renting them out like what all the other councils in Greater Manchester, except Bolton! What about the money the got back after the Icelandic bank collapsed and took the Councils savings with it? That is not being used and its over £6million!!! (http://www.thebolto nnews.co.uk/news/374 5070.Bolton_taxpayer s_lose___6m_as_bank_ collapses/) There are so many ways Bolton can create revenue streams without cutting costs, losing money or raising the Council Tax, but they don't want to. Just look at Bury, Manchester and Salford who have found ways and look at how prosperous they are compared to Bolton! So, basically, you are saying that the council were right in raising the Council Tax and that UKIP would do it?[/p][/quote]No it was disgusting they didnt take the money to help people. There are many ways of cutting things but until one is in full knowledge of the state of the accounts how could one decide what to do. Not for one min do i think ukip will take Bolton & dont excpet them to just yet but they will get stronger & stronger hence my two elections comment. UKIP Cllrs job is to care for local issues to the area & no involvement with party poitics. The same is with any MPs who get voted in. They will all explain what they will do if they get in & not end up having more care for people in Lebanon ETC. ukips mps will represent local people only & not get bogged down with outside interests. thomas222
  • Score: 1

8:16am Mon 24 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

But what are UKIPs polies for the local lections - not national or international, but local?
But what are UKIPs polies for the local lections - not national or international, but local? BWFC71
  • Score: -35

8:28am Mon 24 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
But what are UKIPs polies for the local lections - not national or international, but local?
I would think the areas being represented are being looked at as we speak as is the case with the other Partys but as i said earlier the main issue on this election is out of the EU vote & anything else we pick up will be a bonus for next time. What it will be regardless will be a indication of what people are really thinking. Thats the time you or i will be wrong. The next election ukip will bury libdems & damage the other two thats for sure otherwise they would not be putting people in postions to combat ukip only & nothing else.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: But what are UKIPs polies for the local lections - not national or international, but local?[/p][/quote]I would think the areas being represented are being looked at as we speak as is the case with the other Partys but as i said earlier the main issue on this election is out of the EU vote & anything else we pick up will be a bonus for next time. What it will be regardless will be a indication of what people are really thinking. Thats the time you or i will be wrong. The next election ukip will bury libdems & damage the other two thats for sure otherwise they would not be putting people in postions to combat ukip only & nothing else. thomas222
  • Score: 0

8:28am Mon 24 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
But what are UKIPs polies for the local lections - not national or international, but local?
I would think the areas being represented are being looked at as we speak as is the case with the other Partys but as i said earlier the main issue on this election is out of the EU vote & anything else we pick up will be a bonus for next time. What it will be regardless will be a indication of what people are really thinking. Thats the time you or i will be wrong. The next election ukip will bury libdems & damage the other two thats for sure otherwise they would not be putting people in postions to combat ukip only & nothing else.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: But what are UKIPs polies for the local lections - not national or international, but local?[/p][/quote]I would think the areas being represented are being looked at as we speak as is the case with the other Partys but as i said earlier the main issue on this election is out of the EU vote & anything else we pick up will be a bonus for next time. What it will be regardless will be a indication of what people are really thinking. Thats the time you or i will be wrong. The next election ukip will bury libdems & damage the other two thats for sure otherwise they would not be putting people in postions to combat ukip only & nothing else. thomas222
  • Score: 0

8:45am Mon 24 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Local elections can NOT have the policy of getting out of the EU. Councillors do not have the power to do that and if they campaign doing that then they are lying to the electorate!!!. The only people who have that power are MP's.

Therefore getting out of EU cannot be campaigned as a local issue!!!!

So if you think they will damage all the parties, then can you please explain why in the last 2 local by-elections The Conservatives actually increased their share of the vote, in Bolton?
Local elections can NOT have the policy of getting out of the EU. Councillors do not have the power to do that and if they campaign doing that then they are lying to the electorate!!!. The only people who have that power are MP's. Therefore getting out of EU cannot be campaigned as a local issue!!!! So if you think they will damage all the parties, then can you please explain why in the last 2 local by-elections The Conservatives actually increased their share of the vote, in Bolton? BWFC71
  • Score: -14

8:59am Mon 24 Mar 14

Ernagy2 says...

I think it's disappointing that an article about the museum is hijacked with a heated thread over UKIP - the rights and wrongs and who will win the next general election.
I think it's disappointing that an article about the museum is hijacked with a heated thread over UKIP - the rights and wrongs and who will win the next general election. Ernagy2
  • Score: 5

9:05am Mon 24 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Local elections can NOT have the policy of getting out of the EU. Councillors do not have the power to do that and if they campaign doing that then they are lying to the electorate!!!. The only people who have that power are MP's. Therefore getting out of EU cannot be campaigned as a local issue!!!! So if you think they will damage all the parties, then can you please explain why in the last 2 local by-elections The Conservatives actually increased their share of the vote, in Bolton?
The last elections means nothing.That was then this is now, . You will see a massive difference this time. We are voting for local council and also for the eu mps at the same time. The main front this time is out of the eu & while people are voting for that issue ukip will pick up many votes in the other election. We will both know then where ukip are or not going until then you and i must beg to differ.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Local elections can NOT have the policy of getting out of the EU. Councillors do not have the power to do that and if they campaign doing that then they are lying to the electorate!!!. The only people who have that power are MP's. Therefore getting out of EU cannot be campaigned as a local issue!!!! So if you think they will damage all the parties, then can you please explain why in the last 2 local by-elections The Conservatives actually increased their share of the vote, in Bolton?[/p][/quote]The last elections means nothing.That was then this is now, . You will see a massive difference this time. We are voting for local council and also for the eu mps at the same time. The main front this time is out of the eu & while people are voting for that issue ukip will pick up many votes in the other election. We will both know then where ukip are or not going until then you and i must beg to differ. thomas222
  • Score: -1

9:52am Mon 24 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Local elections can NOT have the policy of getting out of the EU. Councillors do not have the power to do that and if they campaign doing that then they are lying to the electorate!!!. The only people who have that power are MP's. Therefore getting out of EU cannot be campaigned as a local issue!!!! So if you think they will damage all the parties, then can you please explain why in the last 2 local by-elections The Conservatives actually increased their share of the vote, in Bolton?
The last elections means nothing.That was then this is now, . You will see a massive difference this time. We are voting for local council and also for the eu mps at the same time. The main front this time is out of the eu & while people are voting for that issue ukip will pick up many votes in the other election. We will both know then where ukip are or not going until then you and i must beg to differ.
Last elections?

I am talking of the by-elections of which the last one was end of last year.

UKIP do well in the Euro's because people do not realise that the MEP's cannot take the UK out of the EU without 1100% support from ALL British MEPs and then has to have an overall majority of 75% from the other 27 EU member countries - so that is nigh on impossible

The local councillors who have no say when it comes to a National" policy, and pulling out of the EU is a national policy and NOT a local policy as it concerns the whole country rather than just one area.

The only way the UK an leave the EU is via an application from The Palace of Westminster (aka Houses of Parliament) and only after a referendum, and a reading of a new Parliamentary act in House of Commons of then passed by the House of Lords.

Therefore you say UKIP will be lying to gain votes in the local and the Euro elections?

Once again, I ask what are UKIP's policies with regards to local issues? - you haven't answered yet and just skirted around the issue and try to cloud the issue by mentioning "national" policies! What are the people of Bolton going to get from UKIP Councillors? (knowing they wont have control of the council for at least another 2 years because only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs this year)
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Local elections can NOT have the policy of getting out of the EU. Councillors do not have the power to do that and if they campaign doing that then they are lying to the electorate!!!. The only people who have that power are MP's. Therefore getting out of EU cannot be campaigned as a local issue!!!! So if you think they will damage all the parties, then can you please explain why in the last 2 local by-elections The Conservatives actually increased their share of the vote, in Bolton?[/p][/quote]The last elections means nothing.That was then this is now, . You will see a massive difference this time. We are voting for local council and also for the eu mps at the same time. The main front this time is out of the eu & while people are voting for that issue ukip will pick up many votes in the other election. We will both know then where ukip are or not going until then you and i must beg to differ.[/p][/quote]Last elections? I am talking of the by-elections of which the last one was end of last year. UKIP do well in the Euro's because people do not realise that the MEP's cannot take the UK out of the EU without 1100% support from ALL British MEPs and then has to have an overall majority of 75% from the other 27 EU member countries - so that is nigh on impossible The local councillors who have no say when it comes to a National" policy, and pulling out of the EU is a national policy and NOT a local policy as it concerns the whole country rather than just one area. The only way the UK an leave the EU is via an application from The Palace of Westminster (aka Houses of Parliament) and only after a referendum, and a reading of a new Parliamentary act in House of Commons of then passed by the House of Lords. Therefore you say UKIP will be lying to gain votes in the local and the Euro elections? Once again, I ask what are UKIP's policies with regards to local issues? - you haven't answered yet and just skirted around the issue and try to cloud the issue by mentioning "national" policies! What are the people of Bolton going to get from UKIP Councillors? (knowing they wont have control of the council for at least another 2 years because only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs this year) BWFC71
  • Score: -43

9:53am Mon 24 Mar 14

Ernagy2 says...

If the opportunity for the Civil war museum is lost, maybe we should go for the National Industrial Revolution Museum. In my opinion we do need something big like this in the Town to attract more visitors.

However the money invested into museums like the Egyptian museum and others, will be wasted if there are no signs on the motorways directing people towards it. If there is no promotion, then people will not know where it is and won't visit.

By the way Thomas222 and BWFC71 can you not sort your UKIP squabbles down the pub? Have a pint and agree to disagree or something.
If the opportunity for the Civil war museum is lost, maybe we should go for the National Industrial Revolution Museum. In my opinion we do need something big like this in the Town to attract more visitors. However the money invested into museums like the Egyptian museum and others, will be wasted if there are no signs on the motorways directing people towards it. If there is no promotion, then people will not know where it is and won't visit. By the way Thomas222 and BWFC71 can you not sort your UKIP squabbles down the pub? Have a pint and agree to disagree or something. Ernagy2
  • Score: 4

9:58am Mon 24 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Ernagy2 wrote:
I think it's disappointing that an article about the museum is hijacked with a heated thread over UKIP - the rights and wrongs and who will win the next general election.
To be fair it isn't heated and actually quite intellingent and we both have passions for our views. If anything it is quite appropriate due to the fact the Local Elections are only 5 weeks away and yet we know nothing of what UKIP want to do in Bolton - it could be very detrimental to the library and museum - even closure of the museum, if we are not careful enough, or even the sell off of the majority of what is currently in the vaults. Do we really want Bolton to lose more of its history because people will blindly vote for a party because of one "national" policy?
[quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: I think it's disappointing that an article about the museum is hijacked with a heated thread over UKIP - the rights and wrongs and who will win the next general election.[/p][/quote]To be fair it isn't heated and actually quite intellingent and we both have passions for our views. If anything it is quite appropriate due to the fact the Local Elections are only 5 weeks away and yet we know nothing of what UKIP want to do in Bolton - it could be very detrimental to the library and museum - even closure of the museum, if we are not careful enough, or even the sell off of the majority of what is currently in the vaults. Do we really want Bolton to lose more of its history because people will blindly vote for a party because of one "national" policy? BWFC71
  • Score: -21

10:25am Mon 24 Mar 14

Ernagy2 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote:
I think it's disappointing that an article about the museum is hijacked with a heated thread over UKIP - the rights and wrongs and who will win the next general election.
To be fair it isn't heated and actually quite intellingent and we both have passions for our views. If anything it is quite appropriate due to the fact the Local Elections are only 5 weeks away and yet we know nothing of what UKIP want to do in Bolton - it could be very detrimental to the library and museum - even closure of the museum, if we are not careful enough, or even the sell off of the majority of what is currently in the vaults. Do we really want Bolton to lose more of its history because people will blindly vote for a party because of one "national" policy?
We never know anything of what the parties will do locally at a local election, as too often the local election is fought on national politics. Every leaflet coming through my door until the local elections in May will be about National politics and how the Tories have cut this that and the other and the majority will have nothing to do with what is happening locally.

Raising awareness on how Bolton could be improved is better than the usual slanging match between all the parties involved. In the long run we will not improve anything by cutting everything. The Town has been under invested in for years - it's taken 50 years to get the bus station near the train station and I hear that has been put on hold as well! (if latest local gossip is to be believed).

Judging by the way the thumbs up and down is going, people don't see the need to attract visitors to the town and that is disappointing as visitors spend money in the Town and this in the long run would help reduce council tax, not increase it. It would increase the shopping centre not reduce it, as the Town would becomes more successful.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: I think it's disappointing that an article about the museum is hijacked with a heated thread over UKIP - the rights and wrongs and who will win the next general election.[/p][/quote]To be fair it isn't heated and actually quite intellingent and we both have passions for our views. If anything it is quite appropriate due to the fact the Local Elections are only 5 weeks away and yet we know nothing of what UKIP want to do in Bolton - it could be very detrimental to the library and museum - even closure of the museum, if we are not careful enough, or even the sell off of the majority of what is currently in the vaults. Do we really want Bolton to lose more of its history because people will blindly vote for a party because of one "national" policy?[/p][/quote]We never know anything of what the parties will do locally at a local election, as too often the local election is fought on national politics. Every leaflet coming through my door until the local elections in May will be about National politics and how the Tories have cut this that and the other and the majority will have nothing to do with what is happening locally. Raising awareness on how Bolton could be improved is better than the usual slanging match between all the parties involved. In the long run we will not improve anything by cutting everything. The Town has been under invested in for years - it's taken 50 years to get the bus station near the train station and I hear that has been put on hold as well! (if latest local gossip is to be believed). Judging by the way the thumbs up and down is going, people don't see the need to attract visitors to the town and that is disappointing as visitors spend money in the Town and this in the long run would help reduce council tax, not increase it. It would increase the shopping centre not reduce it, as the Town would becomes more successful. Ernagy2
  • Score: 2

10:56am Mon 24 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Local elections can NOT have the policy of getting out of the EU. Councillors do not have the power to do that and if they campaign doing that then they are lying to the electorate!!!. The only people who have that power are MP's. Therefore getting out of EU cannot be campaigned as a local issue!!!! So if you think they will damage all the parties, then can you please explain why in the last 2 local by-elections The Conservatives actually increased their share of the vote, in Bolton?
The last elections means nothing.That was then this is now, . You will see a massive difference this time. We are voting for local council and also for the eu mps at the same time. The main front this time is out of the eu & while people are voting for that issue ukip will pick up many votes in the other election. We will both know then where ukip are or not going until then you and i must beg to differ.
Last elections? I am talking of the by-elections of which the last one was end of last year. UKIP do well in the Euro's because people do not realise that the MEP's cannot take the UK out of the EU without 1100% support from ALL British MEPs and then has to have an overall majority of 75% from the other 27 EU member countries - so that is nigh on impossible The local councillors who have no say when it comes to a National" policy, and pulling out of the EU is a national policy and NOT a local policy as it concerns the whole country rather than just one area. The only way the UK an leave the EU is via an application from The Palace of Westminster (aka Houses of Parliament) and only after a referendum, and a reading of a new Parliamentary act in House of Commons of then passed by the House of Lords. Therefore you say UKIP will be lying to gain votes in the local and the Euro elections? Once again, I ask what are UKIP's policies with regards to local issues? - you haven't answered yet and just skirted around the issue and try to cloud the issue by mentioning "national" policies! What are the people of Bolton going to get from UKIP Councillors? (knowing they wont have control of the council for at least another 2 years because only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs this year)
What have the others said to date & i have seen nothing of them saying what they will do or had any leaflets either.... its to early just yet. People are sick of the old guard, change is in the air is all im saying. The credibility of the main three has been outed thanks to the internet.. its the worst thing could have happened to them the internet.... they have been all been having us all off for years..... People usually vote for the one they alwaydsdid..... ukip has changed that & the reason that ukip members pay £20 to join & its now running at 34000 now. If they charged a couple of pounds like the others do they would be massive membership.......
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Local elections can NOT have the policy of getting out of the EU. Councillors do not have the power to do that and if they campaign doing that then they are lying to the electorate!!!. The only people who have that power are MP's. Therefore getting out of EU cannot be campaigned as a local issue!!!! So if you think they will damage all the parties, then can you please explain why in the last 2 local by-elections The Conservatives actually increased their share of the vote, in Bolton?[/p][/quote]The last elections means nothing.That was then this is now, . You will see a massive difference this time. We are voting for local council and also for the eu mps at the same time. The main front this time is out of the eu & while people are voting for that issue ukip will pick up many votes in the other election. We will both know then where ukip are or not going until then you and i must beg to differ.[/p][/quote]Last elections? I am talking of the by-elections of which the last one was end of last year. UKIP do well in the Euro's because people do not realise that the MEP's cannot take the UK out of the EU without 1100% support from ALL British MEPs and then has to have an overall majority of 75% from the other 27 EU member countries - so that is nigh on impossible The local councillors who have no say when it comes to a National" policy, and pulling out of the EU is a national policy and NOT a local policy as it concerns the whole country rather than just one area. The only way the UK an leave the EU is via an application from The Palace of Westminster (aka Houses of Parliament) and only after a referendum, and a reading of a new Parliamentary act in House of Commons of then passed by the House of Lords. Therefore you say UKIP will be lying to gain votes in the local and the Euro elections? Once again, I ask what are UKIP's policies with regards to local issues? - you haven't answered yet and just skirted around the issue and try to cloud the issue by mentioning "national" policies! What are the people of Bolton going to get from UKIP Councillors? (knowing they wont have control of the council for at least another 2 years because only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs this year)[/p][/quote]What have the others said to date & i have seen nothing of them saying what they will do or had any leaflets either.... its to early just yet. People are sick of the old guard, change is in the air is all im saying. The credibility of the main three has been outed thanks to the internet.. its the worst thing could have happened to them the internet.... they have been all been having us all off for years..... People usually vote for the one they alwaydsdid..... ukip has changed that & the reason that ukip members pay £20 to join & its now running at 34000 now. If they charged a couple of pounds like the others do they would be massive membership....... thomas222
  • Score: 0

11:05am Mon 24 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Ernagy2 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote: I think it's disappointing that an article about the museum is hijacked with a heated thread over UKIP - the rights and wrongs and who will win the next general election.
To be fair it isn't heated and actually quite intellingent and we both have passions for our views. If anything it is quite appropriate due to the fact the Local Elections are only 5 weeks away and yet we know nothing of what UKIP want to do in Bolton - it could be very detrimental to the library and museum - even closure of the museum, if we are not careful enough, or even the sell off of the majority of what is currently in the vaults. Do we really want Bolton to lose more of its history because people will blindly vote for a party because of one "national" policy?
We never know anything of what the parties will do locally at a local election, as too often the local election is fought on national politics. Every leaflet coming through my door until the local elections in May will be about National politics and how the Tories have cut this that and the other and the majority will have nothing to do with what is happening locally. Raising awareness on how Bolton could be improved is better than the usual slanging match between all the parties involved. In the long run we will not improve anything by cutting everything. The Town has been under invested in for years - it's taken 50 years to get the bus station near the train station and I hear that has been put on hold as well! (if latest local gossip is to be believed). Judging by the way the thumbs up and down is going, people don't see the need to attract visitors to the town and that is disappointing as visitors spend money in the Town and this in the long run would help reduce council tax, not increase it. It would increase the shopping centre not reduce it, as the Town would becomes more successful.
I wouldn't judge anything by the thumbs as there is a troll using a macro program, but unfortunately nothing can be done about it.

With regards to the bus station - there was already a more than perfect bus station at the railway station until GMPTE (as it was in those days) decided to remodel it because it was vastly underused and they did up Moor Lane bus station - less than 10 years ago!!! Thing is the new bus station is not next door or a part of the railway station as there will be a footbridge going the full-length of Newport street to get to the bus station from the railway station - because it will take "customers" over the railway racks and then the buss station road and bays before actually getting to the building itself and then use of lifts or stairs to get to thee bays (of which there are less than Moor lane) - but it is still happening, remember it is not Bolton paying for it but TfGM and funding is already in place.

s for the museums and libraries, this is where money should be spent and promote the ventures and I totally agree with you with regards to a "National" exhibition centre that examines the Civil War from both sides of the fence and Bolton is the perfect place considering its history in the war! - but the museum dos need to get extended further into the building as there are far too many artefacts that are not being shown to the public, unfortunately - from both Central museum and what they took from the Little Bolton Town Hall, when it closed as a museum!

I believe that these locals are possibly the most important local elections for decades considering what the current councillors have done, what Central Government has done and what is required for the ton in the immediate future - we need people with vision and good budgeting skills and defenitely it should be more focused on local issues than National issues because the cuts locally are beginning to hit home and hurt people, and families!
[quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: I think it's disappointing that an article about the museum is hijacked with a heated thread over UKIP - the rights and wrongs and who will win the next general election.[/p][/quote]To be fair it isn't heated and actually quite intellingent and we both have passions for our views. If anything it is quite appropriate due to the fact the Local Elections are only 5 weeks away and yet we know nothing of what UKIP want to do in Bolton - it could be very detrimental to the library and museum - even closure of the museum, if we are not careful enough, or even the sell off of the majority of what is currently in the vaults. Do we really want Bolton to lose more of its history because people will blindly vote for a party because of one "national" policy?[/p][/quote]We never know anything of what the parties will do locally at a local election, as too often the local election is fought on national politics. Every leaflet coming through my door until the local elections in May will be about National politics and how the Tories have cut this that and the other and the majority will have nothing to do with what is happening locally. Raising awareness on how Bolton could be improved is better than the usual slanging match between all the parties involved. In the long run we will not improve anything by cutting everything. The Town has been under invested in for years - it's taken 50 years to get the bus station near the train station and I hear that has been put on hold as well! (if latest local gossip is to be believed). Judging by the way the thumbs up and down is going, people don't see the need to attract visitors to the town and that is disappointing as visitors spend money in the Town and this in the long run would help reduce council tax, not increase it. It would increase the shopping centre not reduce it, as the Town would becomes more successful.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't judge anything by the thumbs as there is a troll using a macro program, but unfortunately nothing can be done about it. With regards to the bus station - there was already a more than perfect bus station at the railway station until GMPTE (as it was in those days) decided to remodel it because it was vastly underused and they did up Moor Lane bus station - less than 10 years ago!!! Thing is the new bus station is not next door or a part of the railway station as there will be a footbridge going the full-length of Newport street to get to the bus station from the railway station - because it will take "customers" over the railway racks and then the buss station road and bays before actually getting to the building itself and then use of lifts or stairs to get to thee bays (of which there are less than Moor lane) - but it is still happening, remember it is not Bolton paying for it but TfGM and funding is already in place. s for the museums and libraries, this is where money should be spent and promote the ventures and I totally agree with you with regards to a "National" exhibition centre that examines the Civil War from both sides of the fence and Bolton is the perfect place considering its history in the war! - but the museum dos need to get extended further into the building as there are far too many artefacts that are not being shown to the public, unfortunately - from both Central museum and what they took from the Little Bolton Town Hall, when it closed as a museum! I believe that these locals are possibly the most important local elections for decades considering what the current councillors have done, what Central Government has done and what is required for the ton in the immediate future - we need people with vision and good budgeting skills and defenitely it should be more focused on local issues than National issues because the cuts locally are beginning to hit home and hurt people, and families! BWFC71
  • Score: -47

11:28am Mon 24 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Local elections can NOT have the policy of getting out of the EU. Councillors do not have the power to do that and if they campaign doing that then they are lying to the electorate!!!. The only people who have that power are MP's. Therefore getting out of EU cannot be campaigned as a local issue!!!! So if you think they will damage all the parties, then can you please explain why in the last 2 local by-elections The Conservatives actually increased their share of the vote, in Bolton?
The last elections means nothing.That was then this is now, . You will see a massive difference this time. We are voting for local council and also for the eu mps at the same time. The main front this time is out of the eu & while people are voting for that issue ukip will pick up many votes in the other election. We will both know then where ukip are or not going until then you and i must beg to differ.
Last elections? I am talking of the by-elections of which the last one was end of last year. UKIP do well in the Euro's because people do not realise that the MEP's cannot take the UK out of the EU without 1100% support from ALL British MEPs and then has to have an overall majority of 75% from the other 27 EU member countries - so that is nigh on impossible The local councillors who have no say when it comes to a National" policy, and pulling out of the EU is a national policy and NOT a local policy as it concerns the whole country rather than just one area. The only way the UK an leave the EU is via an application from The Palace of Westminster (aka Houses of Parliament) and only after a referendum, and a reading of a new Parliamentary act in House of Commons of then passed by the House of Lords. Therefore you say UKIP will be lying to gain votes in the local and the Euro elections? Once again, I ask what are UKIP's policies with regards to local issues? - you haven't answered yet and just skirted around the issue and try to cloud the issue by mentioning "national" policies! What are the people of Bolton going to get from UKIP Councillors? (knowing they wont have control of the council for at least another 2 years because only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs this year)
What have the others said to date & i have seen nothing of them saying what they will do or had any leaflets either.... its to early just yet. People are sick of the old guard, change is in the air is all im saying. The credibility of the main three has been outed thanks to the internet.. its the worst thing could have happened to them the internet.... they have been all been having us all off for years..... People usually vote for the one they alwaydsdid..... ukip has changed that & the reason that ukip members pay £20 to join & its now running at 34000 now. If they charged a couple of pounds like the others do they would be massive membership.......
But why has UKIP member only gone up by 2,000 since last year whilst Labour has increased by 3,400 and even The LibDems have increased by 900 (now that is astonishing considering they stabbed their members in the back at the last General Election) - only the ruling Party (which is not uncommon) has lost member and only by 800!!!!

Labour - standard membership £3.80/month being £45.60 annually
Conservative - £1 for support or £25 annual standard membership
LibDems - £1 for standard membership and up to £100 - voluntary amounts!!!
UKIP - £30 for standard annual membership

So from the above fees UKIP are not the most expensive and gain 2000, but Labour who is almost 50% more expensive gain 3,400 more members than last year!!! Tries who are even cheaper than your (by £5) lost members. It seems to blow your theory out of the water if UKIP had cheaper fees!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Local elections can NOT have the policy of getting out of the EU. Councillors do not have the power to do that and if they campaign doing that then they are lying to the electorate!!!. The only people who have that power are MP's. Therefore getting out of EU cannot be campaigned as a local issue!!!! So if you think they will damage all the parties, then can you please explain why in the last 2 local by-elections The Conservatives actually increased their share of the vote, in Bolton?[/p][/quote]The last elections means nothing.That was then this is now, . You will see a massive difference this time. We are voting for local council and also for the eu mps at the same time. The main front this time is out of the eu & while people are voting for that issue ukip will pick up many votes in the other election. We will both know then where ukip are or not going until then you and i must beg to differ.[/p][/quote]Last elections? I am talking of the by-elections of which the last one was end of last year. UKIP do well in the Euro's because people do not realise that the MEP's cannot take the UK out of the EU without 1100% support from ALL British MEPs and then has to have an overall majority of 75% from the other 27 EU member countries - so that is nigh on impossible The local councillors who have no say when it comes to a National" policy, and pulling out of the EU is a national policy and NOT a local policy as it concerns the whole country rather than just one area. The only way the UK an leave the EU is via an application from The Palace of Westminster (aka Houses of Parliament) and only after a referendum, and a reading of a new Parliamentary act in House of Commons of then passed by the House of Lords. Therefore you say UKIP will be lying to gain votes in the local and the Euro elections? Once again, I ask what are UKIP's policies with regards to local issues? - you haven't answered yet and just skirted around the issue and try to cloud the issue by mentioning "national" policies! What are the people of Bolton going to get from UKIP Councillors? (knowing they wont have control of the council for at least another 2 years because only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs this year)[/p][/quote]What have the others said to date & i have seen nothing of them saying what they will do or had any leaflets either.... its to early just yet. People are sick of the old guard, change is in the air is all im saying. The credibility of the main three has been outed thanks to the internet.. its the worst thing could have happened to them the internet.... they have been all been having us all off for years..... People usually vote for the one they alwaydsdid..... ukip has changed that & the reason that ukip members pay £20 to join & its now running at 34000 now. If they charged a couple of pounds like the others do they would be massive membership.......[/p][/quote]But why has UKIP member only gone up by 2,000 since last year whilst Labour has increased by 3,400 and even The LibDems have increased by 900 (now that is astonishing considering they stabbed their members in the back at the last General Election) - only the ruling Party (which is not uncommon) has lost member and only by 800!!!! Labour - standard membership £3.80/month being £45.60 annually Conservative - £1 for support or £25 annual standard membership LibDems - £1 for standard membership and up to £100 - voluntary amounts!!! UKIP - £30 for standard annual membership So from the above fees UKIP are not the most expensive and gain 2000, but Labour who is almost 50% more expensive gain 3,400 more members than last year!!! Tries who are even cheaper than your (by £5) lost members. It seems to blow your theory out of the water if UKIP had cheaper fees! BWFC71
  • Score: -81

11:42am Mon 24 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Thomas222 will you be going to Green lane Cricket club as Paul Nuttall will be there hoping to gain more victims (oops I mean support) for UKIP during a multi-party "Question Time." Unfortunately I can't make it as I am still in The Netherlands on business but will see if I can get someone in my place to go to ask the pertinent questions that shows up UKIP for the lies they tell, and hopefully show up the lies the other parties will be telling!
Thomas222 will you be going to Green lane Cricket club as Paul Nuttall will be there hoping to gain more victims (oops I mean support) for UKIP during a multi-party "Question Time." Unfortunately I can't make it as I am still in The Netherlands on business but will see if I can get someone in my place to go to ask the pertinent questions that shows up UKIP for the lies they tell, and hopefully show up the lies the other parties will be telling! BWFC71
  • Score: -47

11:48am Mon 24 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Local elections can NOT have the policy of getting out of the EU. Councillors do not have the power to do that and if they campaign doing that then they are lying to the electorate!!!. The only people who have that power are MP's. Therefore getting out of EU cannot be campaigned as a local issue!!!! So if you think they will damage all the parties, then can you please explain why in the last 2 local by-elections The Conservatives actually increased their share of the vote, in Bolton?
The last elections means nothing.That was then this is now, . You will see a massive difference this time. We are voting for local council and also for the eu mps at the same time. The main front this time is out of the eu & while people are voting for that issue ukip will pick up many votes in the other election. We will both know then where ukip are or not going until then you and i must beg to differ.
Last elections? I am talking of the by-elections of which the last one was end of last year. UKIP do well in the Euro's because people do not realise that the MEP's cannot take the UK out of the EU without 1100% support from ALL British MEPs and then has to have an overall majority of 75% from the other 27 EU member countries - so that is nigh on impossible The local councillors who have no say when it comes to a National" policy, and pulling out of the EU is a national policy and NOT a local policy as it concerns the whole country rather than just one area. The only way the UK an leave the EU is via an application from The Palace of Westminster (aka Houses of Parliament) and only after a referendum, and a reading of a new Parliamentary act in House of Commons of then passed by the House of Lords. Therefore you say UKIP will be lying to gain votes in the local and the Euro elections? Once again, I ask what are UKIP's policies with regards to local issues? - you haven't answered yet and just skirted around the issue and try to cloud the issue by mentioning "national" policies! What are the people of Bolton going to get from UKIP Councillors? (knowing they wont have control of the council for at least another 2 years because only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs this year)
What have the others said to date & i have seen nothing of them saying what they will do or had any leaflets either.... its to early just yet. People are sick of the old guard, change is in the air is all im saying. The credibility of the main three has been outed thanks to the internet.. its the worst thing could have happened to them the internet.... they have been all been having us all off for years..... People usually vote for the one they alwaydsdid..... ukip has changed that & the reason that ukip members pay £20 to join & its now running at 34000 now. If they charged a couple of pounds like the others do they would be massive membership.......
But why has UKIP member only gone up by 2,000 since last year whilst Labour has increased by 3,400 and even The LibDems have increased by 900 (now that is astonishing considering they stabbed their members in the back at the last General Election) - only the ruling Party (which is not uncommon) has lost member and only by 800!!!! Labour - standard membership £3.80/month being £45.60 annually Conservative - £1 for support or £25 annual standard membership LibDems - £1 for standard membership and up to £100 - voluntary amounts!!! UKIP - £30 for standard annual membership So from the above fees UKIP are not the most expensive and gain 2000, but Labour who is almost 50% more expensive gain 3,400 more members than last year!!! Tries who are even cheaper than your (by £5) lost members. It seems to blow your theory out of the water if UKIP had cheaper fees!
ukip last 12 months was a 1000 members a month joining (fact) over that period & as i say had the membership been as low as the others would have been many more. £20 to find is hard for many while £1 per week is more palatable..... Lets see how Labour do when the union members can opt out. Many have and many more will..... You will soon know the answer after the euro elections results are known & ukip hammer all of them and they will...., thats when the other partys will turn turtle yet again and do what ukip suggest.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Local elections can NOT have the policy of getting out of the EU. Councillors do not have the power to do that and if they campaign doing that then they are lying to the electorate!!!. The only people who have that power are MP's. Therefore getting out of EU cannot be campaigned as a local issue!!!! So if you think they will damage all the parties, then can you please explain why in the last 2 local by-elections The Conservatives actually increased their share of the vote, in Bolton?[/p][/quote]The last elections means nothing.That was then this is now, . You will see a massive difference this time. We are voting for local council and also for the eu mps at the same time. The main front this time is out of the eu & while people are voting for that issue ukip will pick up many votes in the other election. We will both know then where ukip are or not going until then you and i must beg to differ.[/p][/quote]Last elections? I am talking of the by-elections of which the last one was end of last year. UKIP do well in the Euro's because people do not realise that the MEP's cannot take the UK out of the EU without 1100% support from ALL British MEPs and then has to have an overall majority of 75% from the other 27 EU member countries - so that is nigh on impossible The local councillors who have no say when it comes to a National" policy, and pulling out of the EU is a national policy and NOT a local policy as it concerns the whole country rather than just one area. The only way the UK an leave the EU is via an application from The Palace of Westminster (aka Houses of Parliament) and only after a referendum, and a reading of a new Parliamentary act in House of Commons of then passed by the House of Lords. Therefore you say UKIP will be lying to gain votes in the local and the Euro elections? Once again, I ask what are UKIP's policies with regards to local issues? - you haven't answered yet and just skirted around the issue and try to cloud the issue by mentioning "national" policies! What are the people of Bolton going to get from UKIP Councillors? (knowing they wont have control of the council for at least another 2 years because only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs this year)[/p][/quote]What have the others said to date & i have seen nothing of them saying what they will do or had any leaflets either.... its to early just yet. People are sick of the old guard, change is in the air is all im saying. The credibility of the main three has been outed thanks to the internet.. its the worst thing could have happened to them the internet.... they have been all been having us all off for years..... People usually vote for the one they alwaydsdid..... ukip has changed that & the reason that ukip members pay £20 to join & its now running at 34000 now. If they charged a couple of pounds like the others do they would be massive membership.......[/p][/quote]But why has UKIP member only gone up by 2,000 since last year whilst Labour has increased by 3,400 and even The LibDems have increased by 900 (now that is astonishing considering they stabbed their members in the back at the last General Election) - only the ruling Party (which is not uncommon) has lost member and only by 800!!!! Labour - standard membership £3.80/month being £45.60 annually Conservative - £1 for support or £25 annual standard membership LibDems - £1 for standard membership and up to £100 - voluntary amounts!!! UKIP - £30 for standard annual membership So from the above fees UKIP are not the most expensive and gain 2000, but Labour who is almost 50% more expensive gain 3,400 more members than last year!!! Tries who are even cheaper than your (by £5) lost members. It seems to blow your theory out of the water if UKIP had cheaper fees![/p][/quote]ukip last 12 months was a 1000 members a month joining (fact) over that period & as i say had the membership been as low as the others would have been many more. £20 to find is hard for many while £1 per week is more palatable..... Lets see how Labour do when the union members can opt out. Many have and many more will..... You will soon know the answer after the euro elections results are known & ukip hammer all of them and they will...., thats when the other partys will turn turtle yet again and do what ukip suggest. thomas222
  • Score: 0

12:40pm Mon 24 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Local elections can NOT have the policy of getting out of the EU. Councillors do not have the power to do that and if they campaign doing that then they are lying to the electorate!!!. The only people who have that power are MP's. Therefore getting out of EU cannot be campaigned as a local issue!!!! So if you think they will damage all the parties, then can you please explain why in the last 2 local by-elections The Conservatives actually increased their share of the vote, in Bolton?
The last elections means nothing.That was then this is now, . You will see a massive difference this time. We are voting for local council and also for the eu mps at the same time. The main front this time is out of the eu & while people are voting for that issue ukip will pick up many votes in the other election. We will both know then where ukip are or not going until then you and i must beg to differ.
Last elections? I am talking of the by-elections of which the last one was end of last year. UKIP do well in the Euro's because people do not realise that the MEP's cannot take the UK out of the EU without 1100% support from ALL British MEPs and then has to have an overall majority of 75% from the other 27 EU member countries - so that is nigh on impossible The local councillors who have no say when it comes to a National" policy, and pulling out of the EU is a national policy and NOT a local policy as it concerns the whole country rather than just one area. The only way the UK an leave the EU is via an application from The Palace of Westminster (aka Houses of Parliament) and only after a referendum, and a reading of a new Parliamentary act in House of Commons of then passed by the House of Lords. Therefore you say UKIP will be lying to gain votes in the local and the Euro elections? Once again, I ask what are UKIP's policies with regards to local issues? - you haven't answered yet and just skirted around the issue and try to cloud the issue by mentioning "national" policies! What are the people of Bolton going to get from UKIP Councillors? (knowing they wont have control of the council for at least another 2 years because only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs this year)
What have the others said to date & i have seen nothing of them saying what they will do or had any leaflets either.... its to early just yet. People are sick of the old guard, change is in the air is all im saying. The credibility of the main three has been outed thanks to the internet.. its the worst thing could have happened to them the internet.... they have been all been having us all off for years..... People usually vote for the one they alwaydsdid..... ukip has changed that & the reason that ukip members pay £20 to join & its now running at 34000 now. If they charged a couple of pounds like the others do they would be massive membership.......
But why has UKIP member only gone up by 2,000 since last year whilst Labour has increased by 3,400 and even The LibDems have increased by 900 (now that is astonishing considering they stabbed their members in the back at the last General Election) - only the ruling Party (which is not uncommon) has lost member and only by 800!!!! Labour - standard membership £3.80/month being £45.60 annually Conservative - £1 for support or £25 annual standard membership LibDems - £1 for standard membership and up to £100 - voluntary amounts!!! UKIP - £30 for standard annual membership So from the above fees UKIP are not the most expensive and gain 2000, but Labour who is almost 50% more expensive gain 3,400 more members than last year!!! Tries who are even cheaper than your (by £5) lost members. It seems to blow your theory out of the water if UKIP had cheaper fees!
ukip last 12 months was a 1000 members a month joining (fact) over that period & as i say had the membership been as low as the others would have been many more. £20 to find is hard for many while £1 per week is more palatable..... Lets see how Labour do when the union members can opt out. Many have and many more will..... You will soon know the answer after the euro elections results are known & ukip hammer all of them and they will...., thats when the other partys will turn turtle yet again and do what ukip suggest.
No it wasn't!!!! Between 2012 and 2013 it grew by 8000 and that, if my maths is correct, not 1000 per month!

Not bothered about the Euros; as they literally have no direct impact on us common workers because there is nothing in the pipeline, over next 5 years, to address anything about the common worker! As it is UKIP have 9 MEPs which, according to all press and the downfall of LibDems, should rise to about 12 - out of how many British MEPs? (73 is the answer) therefore still not a controlling group and that would equate to 16.5% which is no different than the last Euro Election! But in Westminster on 2010 UKIP only garnered 3.1% of the vote and that should rise, next year, to about 8% of the vote!!!

But Labours membership, in the last 12 months has risen by 3,400 and that is after the announcement of opt-out!!!! So can you advise as to why it has risen more than UKIP's considering Labour's membership fee is 50% more expensive.

And anyway what is to stop someone saving £1/week to raise the required £30 membership fee for UKIP - that isn't any different!!!. Why do you keep insisting its only £20 when I checked the facts on UKIP's website? (http://ukip.datawar
eonline.co.uk/JoinOn
line.aspx?type=1)
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Local elections can NOT have the policy of getting out of the EU. Councillors do not have the power to do that and if they campaign doing that then they are lying to the electorate!!!. The only people who have that power are MP's. Therefore getting out of EU cannot be campaigned as a local issue!!!! So if you think they will damage all the parties, then can you please explain why in the last 2 local by-elections The Conservatives actually increased their share of the vote, in Bolton?[/p][/quote]The last elections means nothing.That was then this is now, . You will see a massive difference this time. We are voting for local council and also for the eu mps at the same time. The main front this time is out of the eu & while people are voting for that issue ukip will pick up many votes in the other election. We will both know then where ukip are or not going until then you and i must beg to differ.[/p][/quote]Last elections? I am talking of the by-elections of which the last one was end of last year. UKIP do well in the Euro's because people do not realise that the MEP's cannot take the UK out of the EU without 1100% support from ALL British MEPs and then has to have an overall majority of 75% from the other 27 EU member countries - so that is nigh on impossible The local councillors who have no say when it comes to a National" policy, and pulling out of the EU is a national policy and NOT a local policy as it concerns the whole country rather than just one area. The only way the UK an leave the EU is via an application from The Palace of Westminster (aka Houses of Parliament) and only after a referendum, and a reading of a new Parliamentary act in House of Commons of then passed by the House of Lords. Therefore you say UKIP will be lying to gain votes in the local and the Euro elections? Once again, I ask what are UKIP's policies with regards to local issues? - you haven't answered yet and just skirted around the issue and try to cloud the issue by mentioning "national" policies! What are the people of Bolton going to get from UKIP Councillors? (knowing they wont have control of the council for at least another 2 years because only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs this year)[/p][/quote]What have the others said to date & i have seen nothing of them saying what they will do or had any leaflets either.... its to early just yet. People are sick of the old guard, change is in the air is all im saying. The credibility of the main three has been outed thanks to the internet.. its the worst thing could have happened to them the internet.... they have been all been having us all off for years..... People usually vote for the one they alwaydsdid..... ukip has changed that & the reason that ukip members pay £20 to join & its now running at 34000 now. If they charged a couple of pounds like the others do they would be massive membership.......[/p][/quote]But why has UKIP member only gone up by 2,000 since last year whilst Labour has increased by 3,400 and even The LibDems have increased by 900 (now that is astonishing considering they stabbed their members in the back at the last General Election) - only the ruling Party (which is not uncommon) has lost member and only by 800!!!! Labour - standard membership £3.80/month being £45.60 annually Conservative - £1 for support or £25 annual standard membership LibDems - £1 for standard membership and up to £100 - voluntary amounts!!! UKIP - £30 for standard annual membership So from the above fees UKIP are not the most expensive and gain 2000, but Labour who is almost 50% more expensive gain 3,400 more members than last year!!! Tries who are even cheaper than your (by £5) lost members. It seems to blow your theory out of the water if UKIP had cheaper fees![/p][/quote]ukip last 12 months was a 1000 members a month joining (fact) over that period & as i say had the membership been as low as the others would have been many more. £20 to find is hard for many while £1 per week is more palatable..... Lets see how Labour do when the union members can opt out. Many have and many more will..... You will soon know the answer after the euro elections results are known & ukip hammer all of them and they will...., thats when the other partys will turn turtle yet again and do what ukip suggest.[/p][/quote]No it wasn't!!!! Between 2012 and 2013 it grew by 8000 and that, if my maths is correct, not 1000 per month! Not bothered about the Euros; as they literally have no direct impact on us common workers because there is nothing in the pipeline, over next 5 years, to address anything about the common worker! As it is UKIP have 9 MEPs which, according to all press and the downfall of LibDems, should rise to about 12 - out of how many British MEPs? (73 is the answer) therefore still not a controlling group and that would equate to 16.5% which is no different than the last Euro Election! But in Westminster on 2010 UKIP only garnered 3.1% of the vote and that should rise, next year, to about 8% of the vote!!! But Labours membership, in the last 12 months has risen by 3,400 and that is after the announcement of opt-out!!!! So can you advise as to why it has risen more than UKIP's considering Labour's membership fee is 50% more expensive. And anyway what is to stop someone saving £1/week to raise the required £30 membership fee for UKIP - that isn't any different!!!. Why do you keep insisting its only £20 when I checked the facts on UKIP's website? (http://ukip.datawar eonline.co.uk/JoinOn line.aspx?type=1) BWFC71
  • Score: -55

12:41pm Mon 24 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

I forgot to add (so apologies) In the last Euro elections 13 UKIP members became MEP's but 4 where either fired or resigned thus reducing the number to 9 - why did that happen?
I forgot to add (so apologies) In the last Euro elections 13 UKIP members became MEP's but 4 where either fired or resigned thus reducing the number to 9 - why did that happen? BWFC71
  • Score: -57

1:13pm Mon 24 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
I forgot to add (so apologies) In the last Euro elections 13 UKIP members became MEP's but 4 where either fired or resigned thus reducing the number to 9 - why did that happen?
Few reasons but thats what you get with human beings.... lets be honest they all have their share of lunatics & idiots but UKIP is not a seasoned party as yet though the quality of candidate has greatly improved.. With time comes maturity & they are here to stay regardless of your feelings towards them. How many Labour went to prison, how many libdems sex scandals & the torys have give contracts for cash.. He without sin cast the first stone if you get my meaning.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: I forgot to add (so apologies) In the last Euro elections 13 UKIP members became MEP's but 4 where either fired or resigned thus reducing the number to 9 - why did that happen?[/p][/quote]Few reasons but thats what you get with human beings.... lets be honest they all have their share of lunatics & idiots but UKIP is not a seasoned party as yet though the quality of candidate has greatly improved.. With time comes maturity & they are here to stay regardless of your feelings towards them. How many Labour went to prison, how many libdems sex scandals & the torys have give contracts for cash.. He without sin cast the first stone if you get my meaning. thomas222
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1:17pm Mon 24 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Local elections can NOT have the policy of getting out of the EU. Councillors do not have the power to do that and if they campaign doing that then they are lying to the electorate!!!. The only people who have that power are MP's. Therefore getting out of EU cannot be campaigned as a local issue!!!! So if you think they will damage all the parties, then can you please explain why in the last 2 local by-elections The Conservatives actually increased their share of the vote, in Bolton?
The last elections means nothing.That was then this is now, . You will see a massive difference this time. We are voting for local council and also for the eu mps at the same time. The main front this time is out of the eu & while people are voting for that issue ukip will pick up many votes in the other election. We will both know then where ukip are or not going until then you and i must beg to differ.
Last elections? I am talking of the by-elections of which the last one was end of last year. UKIP do well in the Euro's because people do not realise that the MEP's cannot take the UK out of the EU without 1100% support from ALL British MEPs and then has to have an overall majority of 75% from the other 27 EU member countries - so that is nigh on impossible The local councillors who have no say when it comes to a National" policy, and pulling out of the EU is a national policy and NOT a local policy as it concerns the whole country rather than just one area. The only way the UK an leave the EU is via an application from The Palace of Westminster (aka Houses of Parliament) and only after a referendum, and a reading of a new Parliamentary act in House of Commons of then passed by the House of Lords. Therefore you say UKIP will be lying to gain votes in the local and the Euro elections? Once again, I ask what are UKIP's policies with regards to local issues? - you haven't answered yet and just skirted around the issue and try to cloud the issue by mentioning "national" policies! What are the people of Bolton going to get from UKIP Councillors? (knowing they wont have control of the council for at least another 2 years because only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs this year)
What have the others said to date & i have seen nothing of them saying what they will do or had any leaflets either.... its to early just yet. People are sick of the old guard, change is in the air is all im saying. The credibility of the main three has been outed thanks to the internet.. its the worst thing could have happened to them the internet.... they have been all been having us all off for years..... People usually vote for the one they alwaydsdid..... ukip has changed that & the reason that ukip members pay £20 to join & its now running at 34000 now. If they charged a couple of pounds like the others do they would be massive membership.......
But why has UKIP member only gone up by 2,000 since last year whilst Labour has increased by 3,400 and even The LibDems have increased by 900 (now that is astonishing considering they stabbed their members in the back at the last General Election) - only the ruling Party (which is not uncommon) has lost member and only by 800!!!! Labour - standard membership £3.80/month being £45.60 annually Conservative - £1 for support or £25 annual standard membership LibDems - £1 for standard membership and up to £100 - voluntary amounts!!! UKIP - £30 for standard annual membership So from the above fees UKIP are not the most expensive and gain 2000, but Labour who is almost 50% more expensive gain 3,400 more members than last year!!! Tries who are even cheaper than your (by £5) lost members. It seems to blow your theory out of the water if UKIP had cheaper fees!
ukip last 12 months was a 1000 members a month joining (fact) over that period & as i say had the membership been as low as the others would have been many more. £20 to find is hard for many while £1 per week is more palatable..... Lets see how Labour do when the union members can opt out. Many have and many more will..... You will soon know the answer after the euro elections results are known & ukip hammer all of them and they will...., thats when the other partys will turn turtle yet again and do what ukip suggest.
No it wasn't!!!! Between 2012 and 2013 it grew by 8000 and that, if my maths is correct, not 1000 per month! Not bothered about the Euros; as they literally have no direct impact on us common workers because there is nothing in the pipeline, over next 5 years, to address anything about the common worker! As it is UKIP have 9 MEPs which, according to all press and the downfall of LibDems, should rise to about 12 - out of how many British MEPs? (73 is the answer) therefore still not a controlling group and that would equate to 16.5% which is no different than the last Euro Election! But in Westminster on 2010 UKIP only garnered 3.1% of the vote and that should rise, next year, to about 8% of the vote!!! But Labours membership, in the last 12 months has risen by 3,400 and that is after the announcement of opt-out!!!! So can you advise as to why it has risen more than UKIP's considering Labour's membership fee is 50% more expensive. And anyway what is to stop someone saving £1/week to raise the required £30 membership fee for UKIP - that isn't any different!!!. Why do you keep insisting its only £20 when I checked the facts on UKIP's website? (http://ukip.datawar eonline.co.uk/JoinOn line.aspx?type=1)
£20 was average.... Dont go on about ukip then if the issue desnt interest you.... our aim is the euro election & any voters who vote for them whille they are doing that then all well and good. Farage annonced the councils were not the priroity at this stage but its great we will get votes.....
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Local elections can NOT have the policy of getting out of the EU. Councillors do not have the power to do that and if they campaign doing that then they are lying to the electorate!!!. The only people who have that power are MP's. Therefore getting out of EU cannot be campaigned as a local issue!!!! So if you think they will damage all the parties, then can you please explain why in the last 2 local by-elections The Conservatives actually increased their share of the vote, in Bolton?[/p][/quote]The last elections means nothing.That was then this is now, . You will see a massive difference this time. We are voting for local council and also for the eu mps at the same time. The main front this time is out of the eu & while people are voting for that issue ukip will pick up many votes in the other election. We will both know then where ukip are or not going until then you and i must beg to differ.[/p][/quote]Last elections? I am talking of the by-elections of which the last one was end of last year. UKIP do well in the Euro's because people do not realise that the MEP's cannot take the UK out of the EU without 1100% support from ALL British MEPs and then has to have an overall majority of 75% from the other 27 EU member countries - so that is nigh on impossible The local councillors who have no say when it comes to a National" policy, and pulling out of the EU is a national policy and NOT a local policy as it concerns the whole country rather than just one area. The only way the UK an leave the EU is via an application from The Palace of Westminster (aka Houses of Parliament) and only after a referendum, and a reading of a new Parliamentary act in House of Commons of then passed by the House of Lords. Therefore you say UKIP will be lying to gain votes in the local and the Euro elections? Once again, I ask what are UKIP's policies with regards to local issues? - you haven't answered yet and just skirted around the issue and try to cloud the issue by mentioning "national" policies! What are the people of Bolton going to get from UKIP Councillors? (knowing they wont have control of the council for at least another 2 years because only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs this year)[/p][/quote]What have the others said to date & i have seen nothing of them saying what they will do or had any leaflets either.... its to early just yet. People are sick of the old guard, change is in the air is all im saying. The credibility of the main three has been outed thanks to the internet.. its the worst thing could have happened to them the internet.... they have been all been having us all off for years..... People usually vote for the one they alwaydsdid..... ukip has changed that & the reason that ukip members pay £20 to join & its now running at 34000 now. If they charged a couple of pounds like the others do they would be massive membership.......[/p][/quote]But why has UKIP member only gone up by 2,000 since last year whilst Labour has increased by 3,400 and even The LibDems have increased by 900 (now that is astonishing considering they stabbed their members in the back at the last General Election) - only the ruling Party (which is not uncommon) has lost member and only by 800!!!! Labour - standard membership £3.80/month being £45.60 annually Conservative - £1 for support or £25 annual standard membership LibDems - £1 for standard membership and up to £100 - voluntary amounts!!! UKIP - £30 for standard annual membership So from the above fees UKIP are not the most expensive and gain 2000, but Labour who is almost 50% more expensive gain 3,400 more members than last year!!! Tries who are even cheaper than your (by £5) lost members. It seems to blow your theory out of the water if UKIP had cheaper fees![/p][/quote]ukip last 12 months was a 1000 members a month joining (fact) over that period & as i say had the membership been as low as the others would have been many more. £20 to find is hard for many while £1 per week is more palatable..... Lets see how Labour do when the union members can opt out. Many have and many more will..... You will soon know the answer after the euro elections results are known & ukip hammer all of them and they will...., thats when the other partys will turn turtle yet again and do what ukip suggest.[/p][/quote]No it wasn't!!!! Between 2012 and 2013 it grew by 8000 and that, if my maths is correct, not 1000 per month! Not bothered about the Euros; as they literally have no direct impact on us common workers because there is nothing in the pipeline, over next 5 years, to address anything about the common worker! As it is UKIP have 9 MEPs which, according to all press and the downfall of LibDems, should rise to about 12 - out of how many British MEPs? (73 is the answer) therefore still not a controlling group and that would equate to 16.5% which is no different than the last Euro Election! But in Westminster on 2010 UKIP only garnered 3.1% of the vote and that should rise, next year, to about 8% of the vote!!! But Labours membership, in the last 12 months has risen by 3,400 and that is after the announcement of opt-out!!!! So can you advise as to why it has risen more than UKIP's considering Labour's membership fee is 50% more expensive. And anyway what is to stop someone saving £1/week to raise the required £30 membership fee for UKIP - that isn't any different!!!. Why do you keep insisting its only £20 when I checked the facts on UKIP's website? (http://ukip.datawar eonline.co.uk/JoinOn line.aspx?type=1)[/p][/quote]£20 was average.... Dont go on about ukip then if the issue desnt interest you.... our aim is the euro election & any voters who vote for them whille they are doing that then all well and good. Farage annonced the councils were not the priroity at this stage but its great we will get votes..... thomas222
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1:20pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Ernagy2 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote: I think it's disappointing that an article about the museum is hijacked with a heated thread over UKIP - the rights and wrongs and who will win the next general election.
To be fair it isn't heated and actually quite intellingent and we both have passions for our views. If anything it is quite appropriate due to the fact the Local Elections are only 5 weeks away and yet we know nothing of what UKIP want to do in Bolton - it could be very detrimental to the library and museum - even closure of the museum, if we are not careful enough, or even the sell off of the majority of what is currently in the vaults. Do we really want Bolton to lose more of its history because people will blindly vote for a party because of one "national" policy?
We never know anything of what the parties will do locally at a local election, as too often the local election is fought on national politics. Every leaflet coming through my door until the local elections in May will be about National politics and how the Tories have cut this that and the other and the majority will have nothing to do with what is happening locally. Raising awareness on how Bolton could be improved is better than the usual slanging match between all the parties involved. In the long run we will not improve anything by cutting everything. The Town has been under invested in for years - it's taken 50 years to get the bus station near the train station and I hear that has been put on hold as well! (if latest local gossip is to be believed). Judging by the way the thumbs up and down is going, people don't see the need to attract visitors to the town and that is disappointing as visitors spend money in the Town and this in the long run would help reduce council tax, not increase it. It would increase the shopping centre not reduce it, as the Town would becomes more successful.
I wouldn't judge anything by the thumbs as there is a troll using a macro program, but unfortunately nothing can be done about it.

With regards to the bus station - there was already a more than perfect bus station at the railway station until GMPTE (as it was in those days) decided to remodel it because it was vastly underused and they did up Moor Lane bus station - less than 10 years ago!!! Thing is the new bus station is not next door or a part of the railway station as there will be a footbridge going the full-length of Newport street to get to the bus station from the railway station - because it will take "customers" over the railway racks and then the buss station road and bays before actually getting to the building itself and then use of lifts or stairs to get to thee bays (of which there are less than Moor lane) - but it is still happening, remember it is not Bolton paying for it but TfGM and funding is already in place.

s for the museums and libraries, this is where money should be spent and promote the ventures and I totally agree with you with regards to a "National" exhibition centre that examines the Civil War from both sides of the fence and Bolton is the perfect place considering its history in the war! - but the museum dos need to get extended further into the building as there are far too many artefacts that are not being shown to the public, unfortunately - from both Central museum and what they took from the Little Bolton Town Hall, when it closed as a museum!

I believe that these locals are possibly the most important local elections for decades considering what the current councillors have done, what Central Government has done and what is required for the ton in the immediate future - we need people with vision and good budgeting skills and defenitely it should be more focused on local issues than National issues because the cuts locally are beginning to hit home and hurt people, and families!
The bus station that you talk about was reduced, yes because there was no one using it, butt the main bust station was at moor lane. It was daft to have two bus stations. Some routes wee , particularly ones that went up Blackburn road, were split between the two bus stations which only added to the confusion of potential passengers. In the end most people gave up on going to that station. Also why go to the south side of Bolton, when your bus is going North?

If all the buses are next to the train station then there is no confusion as to where to go - which was the problem before - particularly since there was no customer enquiry point. I know all about the problems of that bus station. Other towns have electronic information boards the bus stops, but Greater Manchester is sadly lacking in this investment.

The new Bus station if it goes ahead will be a blessing, but bus stops north of the Town, particularly near the Market Hall (as was) will also need some investment.

I think we both agree that the museum should be extended further and I was under the impression that there was a plan in place to do so. I may have dreamed this, but wasn't it in the Bolton News a few months ago?

However over the years of living in Bolton - being a native Boltonian, I know the Council make many promises but don't always deliver. Lets not forget the plan to extend Queens Park into the centre of Bolton and the marina at the back of churchgate with associated cinema. Remember those?

Remember the promises over the Nevada, when that was burnt down, how the Council was going to replace it - and never did. If I had access to the Bolton News files over the last 50 years I'm sure I could pull out dozens of schemes that were promised to the people of Bolton and never delivered. We're always being told that there's no money, but there's plenty of money to change the pavement in the town centre!

I think we agree on the museums. I didn't know about the 'macro' program.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: I think it's disappointing that an article about the museum is hijacked with a heated thread over UKIP - the rights and wrongs and who will win the next general election.[/p][/quote]To be fair it isn't heated and actually quite intellingent and we both have passions for our views. If anything it is quite appropriate due to the fact the Local Elections are only 5 weeks away and yet we know nothing of what UKIP want to do in Bolton - it could be very detrimental to the library and museum - even closure of the museum, if we are not careful enough, or even the sell off of the majority of what is currently in the vaults. Do we really want Bolton to lose more of its history because people will blindly vote for a party because of one "national" policy?[/p][/quote]We never know anything of what the parties will do locally at a local election, as too often the local election is fought on national politics. Every leaflet coming through my door until the local elections in May will be about National politics and how the Tories have cut this that and the other and the majority will have nothing to do with what is happening locally. Raising awareness on how Bolton could be improved is better than the usual slanging match between all the parties involved. In the long run we will not improve anything by cutting everything. The Town has been under invested in for years - it's taken 50 years to get the bus station near the train station and I hear that has been put on hold as well! (if latest local gossip is to be believed). Judging by the way the thumbs up and down is going, people don't see the need to attract visitors to the town and that is disappointing as visitors spend money in the Town and this in the long run would help reduce council tax, not increase it. It would increase the shopping centre not reduce it, as the Town would becomes more successful.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't judge anything by the thumbs as there is a troll using a macro program, but unfortunately nothing can be done about it. With regards to the bus station - there was already a more than perfect bus station at the railway station until GMPTE (as it was in those days) decided to remodel it because it was vastly underused and they did up Moor Lane bus station - less than 10 years ago!!! Thing is the new bus station is not next door or a part of the railway station as there will be a footbridge going the full-length of Newport street to get to the bus station from the railway station - because it will take "customers" over the railway racks and then the buss station road and bays before actually getting to the building itself and then use of lifts or stairs to get to thee bays (of which there are less than Moor lane) - but it is still happening, remember it is not Bolton paying for it but TfGM and funding is already in place. s for the museums and libraries, this is where money should be spent and promote the ventures and I totally agree with you with regards to a "National" exhibition centre that examines the Civil War from both sides of the fence and Bolton is the perfect place considering its history in the war! - but the museum dos need to get extended further into the building as there are far too many artefacts that are not being shown to the public, unfortunately - from both Central museum and what they took from the Little Bolton Town Hall, when it closed as a museum! I believe that these locals are possibly the most important local elections for decades considering what the current councillors have done, what Central Government has done and what is required for the ton in the immediate future - we need people with vision and good budgeting skills and defenitely it should be more focused on local issues than National issues because the cuts locally are beginning to hit home and hurt people, and families![/p][/quote]The bus station that you talk about was reduced, yes because there was no one using it, butt the main bust station was at moor lane. It was daft to have two bus stations. Some routes wee , particularly ones that went up Blackburn road, were split between the two bus stations which only added to the confusion of potential passengers. In the end most people gave up on going to that station. Also why go to the south side of Bolton, when your bus is going North? If all the buses are next to the train station then there is no confusion as to where to go - which was the problem before - particularly since there was no customer enquiry point. I know all about the problems of that bus station. Other towns have electronic information boards the bus stops, but Greater Manchester is sadly lacking in this investment. The new Bus station if it goes ahead will be a blessing, but bus stops north of the Town, particularly near the Market Hall (as was) will also need some investment. I think we both agree that the museum should be extended further and I was under the impression that there was a plan in place to do so. I may have dreamed this, but wasn't it in the Bolton News a few months ago? However over the years of living in Bolton - being a native Boltonian, I know the Council make many promises but don't always deliver. Lets not forget the plan to extend Queens Park into the centre of Bolton and the marina at the back of churchgate with associated cinema. Remember those? Remember the promises over the Nevada, when that was burnt down, how the Council was going to replace it - and never did. If I had access to the Bolton News files over the last 50 years I'm sure I could pull out dozens of schemes that were promised to the people of Bolton and never delivered. We're always being told that there's no money, but there's plenty of money to change the pavement in the town centre! I think we agree on the museums. I didn't know about the 'macro' program. Ernagy2
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1:36pm Mon 24 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC: Forgot to mention. UKIP have just announced Doncaster race course for its 2014 venue. Its a 2000 audience & its in Ed Millibands Doncaster area. It is the largest venue to date so should tell you something is happening......Yes we are going for Labour and the north for sure. Check it out on ukip.org.
BWFC: Forgot to mention. UKIP have just announced Doncaster race course for its 2014 venue. Its a 2000 audience & its in Ed Millibands Doncaster area. It is the largest venue to date so should tell you something is happening......Yes we are going for Labour and the north for sure. Check it out on ukip.org. thomas222
  • Score: 3

9:05pm Mon 24 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Ernagy2 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
Ernagy2 wrote: I think it's disappointing that an article about the museum is hijacked with a heated thread over UKIP - the rights and wrongs and who will win the next general election.
To be fair it isn't heated and actually quite intellingent and we both have passions for our views. If anything it is quite appropriate due to the fact the Local Elections are only 5 weeks away and yet we know nothing of what UKIP want to do in Bolton - it could be very detrimental to the library and museum - even closure of the museum, if we are not careful enough, or even the sell off of the majority of what is currently in the vaults. Do we really want Bolton to lose more of its history because people will blindly vote for a party because of one "national" policy?
We never know anything of what the parties will do locally at a local election, as too often the local election is fought on national politics. Every leaflet coming through my door until the local elections in May will be about National politics and how the Tories have cut this that and the other and the majority will have nothing to do with what is happening locally. Raising awareness on how Bolton could be improved is better than the usual slanging match between all the parties involved. In the long run we will not improve anything by cutting everything. The Town has been under invested in for years - it's taken 50 years to get the bus station near the train station and I hear that has been put on hold as well! (if latest local gossip is to be believed). Judging by the way the thumbs up and down is going, people don't see the need to attract visitors to the town and that is disappointing as visitors spend money in the Town and this in the long run would help reduce council tax, not increase it. It would increase the shopping centre not reduce it, as the Town would becomes more successful.
I wouldn't judge anything by the thumbs as there is a troll using a macro program, but unfortunately nothing can be done about it. With regards to the bus station - there was already a more than perfect bus station at the railway station until GMPTE (as it was in those days) decided to remodel it because it was vastly underused and they did up Moor Lane bus station - less than 10 years ago!!! Thing is the new bus station is not next door or a part of the railway station as there will be a footbridge going the full-length of Newport street to get to the bus station from the railway station - because it will take "customers" over the railway racks and then the buss station road and bays before actually getting to the building itself and then use of lifts or stairs to get to thee bays (of which there are less than Moor lane) - but it is still happening, remember it is not Bolton paying for it but TfGM and funding is already in place. s for the museums and libraries, this is where money should be spent and promote the ventures and I totally agree with you with regards to a "National" exhibition centre that examines the Civil War from both sides of the fence and Bolton is the perfect place considering its history in the war! - but the museum dos need to get extended further into the building as there are far too many artefacts that are not being shown to the public, unfortunately - from both Central museum and what they took from the Little Bolton Town Hall, when it closed as a museum! I believe that these locals are possibly the most important local elections for decades considering what the current councillors have done, what Central Government has done and what is required for the ton in the immediate future - we need people with vision and good budgeting skills and defenitely it should be more focused on local issues than National issues because the cuts locally are beginning to hit home and hurt people, and families!
The bus station that you talk about was reduced, yes because there was no one using it, butt the main bust station was at moor lane. It was daft to have two bus stations. Some routes wee , particularly ones that went up Blackburn road, were split between the two bus stations which only added to the confusion of potential passengers. In the end most people gave up on going to that station. Also why go to the south side of Bolton, when your bus is going North? If all the buses are next to the train station then there is no confusion as to where to go - which was the problem before - particularly since there was no customer enquiry point. I know all about the problems of that bus station. Other towns have electronic information boards the bus stops, but Greater Manchester is sadly lacking in this investment. The new Bus station if it goes ahead will be a blessing, but bus stops north of the Town, particularly near the Market Hall (as was) will also need some investment. I think we both agree that the museum should be extended further and I was under the impression that there was a plan in place to do so. I may have dreamed this, but wasn't it in the Bolton News a few months ago? However over the years of living in Bolton - being a native Boltonian, I know the Council make many promises but don't always deliver. Lets not forget the plan to extend Queens Park into the centre of Bolton and the marina at the back of churchgate with associated cinema. Remember those? Remember the promises over the Nevada, when that was burnt down, how the Council was going to replace it - and never did. If I had access to the Bolton News files over the last 50 years I'm sure I could pull out dozens of schemes that were promised to the people of Bolton and never delivered. We're always being told that there's no money, but there's plenty of money to change the pavement in the town centre! I think we agree on the museums. I didn't know about the 'macro' program.
Tell me about it the council have had plans but most of the time they have relied on private investment which 95% of the time doesn't materialise.

then you see the likes of Manchester, Salford and even Bury whose councils do invest in the infrastructure with little private investment and look at how they are flourishing.

Victoria Hall Complex
Nelson square Development
Church Wharf
Little Bolton Town Hall area
are some as well (although I think you mentioned Church Wharf).

We actually agree on many things but go about it differently. It seems our councillors just don't have the gall/balls to help the town and would rather further their own political careers! Which is why I worry about these forthcoming locals, more than the Euro election, as I don't want to see my town sink further into the depths of despair and would be willing to vote for a party that wants to seriously do something good for the town and budget with the current finances and employ new revenue streams
[quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ernagy2[/bold] wrote: I think it's disappointing that an article about the museum is hijacked with a heated thread over UKIP - the rights and wrongs and who will win the next general election.[/p][/quote]To be fair it isn't heated and actually quite intellingent and we both have passions for our views. If anything it is quite appropriate due to the fact the Local Elections are only 5 weeks away and yet we know nothing of what UKIP want to do in Bolton - it could be very detrimental to the library and museum - even closure of the museum, if we are not careful enough, or even the sell off of the majority of what is currently in the vaults. Do we really want Bolton to lose more of its history because people will blindly vote for a party because of one "national" policy?[/p][/quote]We never know anything of what the parties will do locally at a local election, as too often the local election is fought on national politics. Every leaflet coming through my door until the local elections in May will be about National politics and how the Tories have cut this that and the other and the majority will have nothing to do with what is happening locally. Raising awareness on how Bolton could be improved is better than the usual slanging match between all the parties involved. In the long run we will not improve anything by cutting everything. The Town has been under invested in for years - it's taken 50 years to get the bus station near the train station and I hear that has been put on hold as well! (if latest local gossip is to be believed). Judging by the way the thumbs up and down is going, people don't see the need to attract visitors to the town and that is disappointing as visitors spend money in the Town and this in the long run would help reduce council tax, not increase it. It would increase the shopping centre not reduce it, as the Town would becomes more successful.[/p][/quote]I wouldn't judge anything by the thumbs as there is a troll using a macro program, but unfortunately nothing can be done about it. With regards to the bus station - there was already a more than perfect bus station at the railway station until GMPTE (as it was in those days) decided to remodel it because it was vastly underused and they did up Moor Lane bus station - less than 10 years ago!!! Thing is the new bus station is not next door or a part of the railway station as there will be a footbridge going the full-length of Newport street to get to the bus station from the railway station - because it will take "customers" over the railway racks and then the buss station road and bays before actually getting to the building itself and then use of lifts or stairs to get to thee bays (of which there are less than Moor lane) - but it is still happening, remember it is not Bolton paying for it but TfGM and funding is already in place. s for the museums and libraries, this is where money should be spent and promote the ventures and I totally agree with you with regards to a "National" exhibition centre that examines the Civil War from both sides of the fence and Bolton is the perfect place considering its history in the war! - but the museum dos need to get extended further into the building as there are far too many artefacts that are not being shown to the public, unfortunately - from both Central museum and what they took from the Little Bolton Town Hall, when it closed as a museum! I believe that these locals are possibly the most important local elections for decades considering what the current councillors have done, what Central Government has done and what is required for the ton in the immediate future - we need people with vision and good budgeting skills and defenitely it should be more focused on local issues than National issues because the cuts locally are beginning to hit home and hurt people, and families![/p][/quote]The bus station that you talk about was reduced, yes because there was no one using it, butt the main bust station was at moor lane. It was daft to have two bus stations. Some routes wee , particularly ones that went up Blackburn road, were split between the two bus stations which only added to the confusion of potential passengers. In the end most people gave up on going to that station. Also why go to the south side of Bolton, when your bus is going North? If all the buses are next to the train station then there is no confusion as to where to go - which was the problem before - particularly since there was no customer enquiry point. I know all about the problems of that bus station. Other towns have electronic information boards the bus stops, but Greater Manchester is sadly lacking in this investment. The new Bus station if it goes ahead will be a blessing, but bus stops north of the Town, particularly near the Market Hall (as was) will also need some investment. I think we both agree that the museum should be extended further and I was under the impression that there was a plan in place to do so. I may have dreamed this, but wasn't it in the Bolton News a few months ago? However over the years of living in Bolton - being a native Boltonian, I know the Council make many promises but don't always deliver. Lets not forget the plan to extend Queens Park into the centre of Bolton and the marina at the back of churchgate with associated cinema. Remember those? Remember the promises over the Nevada, when that was burnt down, how the Council was going to replace it - and never did. If I had access to the Bolton News files over the last 50 years I'm sure I could pull out dozens of schemes that were promised to the people of Bolton and never delivered. We're always being told that there's no money, but there's plenty of money to change the pavement in the town centre! I think we agree on the museums. I didn't know about the 'macro' program.[/p][/quote]Tell me about it the council have had plans but most of the time they have relied on private investment which 95% of the time doesn't materialise. then you see the likes of Manchester, Salford and even Bury whose councils do invest in the infrastructure with little private investment and look at how they are flourishing. Victoria Hall Complex Nelson square Development Church Wharf Little Bolton Town Hall area are some as well (although I think you mentioned Church Wharf). We actually agree on many things but go about it differently. It seems our councillors just don't have the gall/balls to help the town and would rather further their own political careers! Which is why I worry about these forthcoming locals, more than the Euro election, as I don't want to see my town sink further into the depths of despair and would be willing to vote for a party that wants to seriously do something good for the town and budget with the current finances and employ new revenue streams BWFC71
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10:53pm Mon 24 Mar 14

lv8151 says...

what has " Victoria Hall Complex " got to do with what you just wrote ?
what has " Victoria Hall Complex " got to do with what you just wrote ? lv8151
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11:08pm Mon 24 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

lv8151 wrote:
what has " Victoria Hall Complex " got to do with what you just wrote ?
Just after the Market Place development had opened there was talk of developing behind the Victoria Hall with a shopping arcade and a European style boulevard and even an up to date art gallery.
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: what has " Victoria Hall Complex " got to do with what you just wrote ?[/p][/quote]Just after the Market Place development had opened there was talk of developing behind the Victoria Hall with a shopping arcade and a European style boulevard and even an up to date art gallery. BWFC71
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8:02am Tue 25 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC: Forgot to mention. UKIP have just announced Doncaster race course for its 2014 venue. Its a 2000 audience & its in Ed Millibands Doncaster area. It is the largest venue to date so should tell you something is happening......Yes we are going for Labour and the north for sure. Check it out on ukip.org.
And..... The Tories had their conference in Manchester, Manchester Central, last year and Manchester is a stronghold Labour City. Labour had their conference in a stronghhold Tory city and LibDems just go anywhere which is cheap enough.

That ideology is nothing new. The Greens held their conference in a true conference hall that could hold up to 5000 last year. I attended a conference about moving to Australia, last July, and there were over 6000 there!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: BWFC: Forgot to mention. UKIP have just announced Doncaster race course for its 2014 venue. Its a 2000 audience & its in Ed Millibands Doncaster area. It is the largest venue to date so should tell you something is happening......Yes we are going for Labour and the north for sure. Check it out on ukip.org.[/p][/quote]And..... The Tories had their conference in Manchester, Manchester Central, last year and Manchester is a stronghold Labour City. Labour had their conference in a stronghhold Tory city and LibDems just go anywhere which is cheap enough. That ideology is nothing new. The Greens held their conference in a true conference hall that could hold up to 5000 last year. I attended a conference about moving to Australia, last July, and there were over 6000 there!!! BWFC71
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8:07am Tue 25 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Local elections can NOT have the policy of getting out of the EU. Councillors do not have the power to do that and if they campaign doing that then they are lying to the electorate!!!. The only people who have that power are MP's. Therefore getting out of EU cannot be campaigned as a local issue!!!! So if you think they will damage all the parties, then can you please explain why in the last 2 local by-elections The Conservatives actually increased their share of the vote, in Bolton?
The last elections means nothing.That was then this is now, . You will see a massive difference this time. We are voting for local council and also for the eu mps at the same time. The main front this time is out of the eu & while people are voting for that issue ukip will pick up many votes in the other election. We will both know then where ukip are or not going until then you and i must beg to differ.
Last elections? I am talking of the by-elections of which the last one was end of last year. UKIP do well in the Euro's because people do not realise that the MEP's cannot take the UK out of the EU without 1100% support from ALL British MEPs and then has to have an overall majority of 75% from the other 27 EU member countries - so that is nigh on impossible The local councillors who have no say when it comes to a National" policy, and pulling out of the EU is a national policy and NOT a local policy as it concerns the whole country rather than just one area. The only way the UK an leave the EU is via an application from The Palace of Westminster (aka Houses of Parliament) and only after a referendum, and a reading of a new Parliamentary act in House of Commons of then passed by the House of Lords. Therefore you say UKIP will be lying to gain votes in the local and the Euro elections? Once again, I ask what are UKIP's policies with regards to local issues? - you haven't answered yet and just skirted around the issue and try to cloud the issue by mentioning "national" policies! What are the people of Bolton going to get from UKIP Councillors? (knowing they wont have control of the council for at least another 2 years because only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs this year)
What have the others said to date & i have seen nothing of them saying what they will do or had any leaflets either.... its to early just yet. People are sick of the old guard, change is in the air is all im saying. The credibility of the main three has been outed thanks to the internet.. its the worst thing could have happened to them the internet.... they have been all been having us all off for years..... People usually vote for the one they alwaydsdid..... ukip has changed that & the reason that ukip members pay £20 to join & its now running at 34000 now. If they charged a couple of pounds like the others do they would be massive membership.......
But why has UKIP member only gone up by 2,000 since last year whilst Labour has increased by 3,400 and even The LibDems have increased by 900 (now that is astonishing considering they stabbed their members in the back at the last General Election) - only the ruling Party (which is not uncommon) has lost member and only by 800!!!! Labour - standard membership £3.80/month being £45.60 annually Conservative - £1 for support or £25 annual standard membership LibDems - £1 for standard membership and up to £100 - voluntary amounts!!! UKIP - £30 for standard annual membership So from the above fees UKIP are not the most expensive and gain 2000, but Labour who is almost 50% more expensive gain 3,400 more members than last year!!! Tries who are even cheaper than your (by £5) lost members. It seems to blow your theory out of the water if UKIP had cheaper fees!
ukip last 12 months was a 1000 members a month joining (fact) over that period & as i say had the membership been as low as the others would have been many more. £20 to find is hard for many while £1 per week is more palatable..... Lets see how Labour do when the union members can opt out. Many have and many more will..... You will soon know the answer after the euro elections results are known & ukip hammer all of them and they will...., thats when the other partys will turn turtle yet again and do what ukip suggest.
No it wasn't!!!! Between 2012 and 2013 it grew by 8000 and that, if my maths is correct, not 1000 per month! Not bothered about the Euros; as they literally have no direct impact on us common workers because there is nothing in the pipeline, over next 5 years, to address anything about the common worker! As it is UKIP have 9 MEPs which, according to all press and the downfall of LibDems, should rise to about 12 - out of how many British MEPs? (73 is the answer) therefore still not a controlling group and that would equate to 16.5% which is no different than the last Euro Election! But in Westminster on 2010 UKIP only garnered 3.1% of the vote and that should rise, next year, to about 8% of the vote!!! But Labours membership, in the last 12 months has risen by 3,400 and that is after the announcement of opt-out!!!! So can you advise as to why it has risen more than UKIP's considering Labour's membership fee is 50% more expensive. And anyway what is to stop someone saving £1/week to raise the required £30 membership fee for UKIP - that isn't any different!!!. Why do you keep insisting its only £20 when I checked the facts on UKIP's website? (http://ukip.datawar eonline.co.uk/JoinOn line.aspx?type=1)
£20 was average.... Dont go on about ukip then if the issue desnt interest you.... our aim is the euro election & any voters who vote for them whille they are doing that then all well and good. Farage annonced the councils were not the priroity at this stage but its great we will get votes.....
But funnily enough Nuttall has said it is a priority and they are putting 18 candidates forward!!!!!!!!!

So which one is lying?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Local elections can NOT have the policy of getting out of the EU. Councillors do not have the power to do that and if they campaign doing that then they are lying to the electorate!!!. The only people who have that power are MP's. Therefore getting out of EU cannot be campaigned as a local issue!!!! So if you think they will damage all the parties, then can you please explain why in the last 2 local by-elections The Conservatives actually increased their share of the vote, in Bolton?[/p][/quote]The last elections means nothing.That was then this is now, . You will see a massive difference this time. We are voting for local council and also for the eu mps at the same time. The main front this time is out of the eu & while people are voting for that issue ukip will pick up many votes in the other election. We will both know then where ukip are or not going until then you and i must beg to differ.[/p][/quote]Last elections? I am talking of the by-elections of which the last one was end of last year. UKIP do well in the Euro's because people do not realise that the MEP's cannot take the UK out of the EU without 1100% support from ALL British MEPs and then has to have an overall majority of 75% from the other 27 EU member countries - so that is nigh on impossible The local councillors who have no say when it comes to a National" policy, and pulling out of the EU is a national policy and NOT a local policy as it concerns the whole country rather than just one area. The only way the UK an leave the EU is via an application from The Palace of Westminster (aka Houses of Parliament) and only after a referendum, and a reading of a new Parliamentary act in House of Commons of then passed by the House of Lords. Therefore you say UKIP will be lying to gain votes in the local and the Euro elections? Once again, I ask what are UKIP's policies with regards to local issues? - you haven't answered yet and just skirted around the issue and try to cloud the issue by mentioning "national" policies! What are the people of Bolton going to get from UKIP Councillors? (knowing they wont have control of the council for at least another 2 years because only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs this year)[/p][/quote]What have the others said to date & i have seen nothing of them saying what they will do or had any leaflets either.... its to early just yet. People are sick of the old guard, change is in the air is all im saying. The credibility of the main three has been outed thanks to the internet.. its the worst thing could have happened to them the internet.... they have been all been having us all off for years..... People usually vote for the one they alwaydsdid..... ukip has changed that & the reason that ukip members pay £20 to join & its now running at 34000 now. If they charged a couple of pounds like the others do they would be massive membership.......[/p][/quote]But why has UKIP member only gone up by 2,000 since last year whilst Labour has increased by 3,400 and even The LibDems have increased by 900 (now that is astonishing considering they stabbed their members in the back at the last General Election) - only the ruling Party (which is not uncommon) has lost member and only by 800!!!! Labour - standard membership £3.80/month being £45.60 annually Conservative - £1 for support or £25 annual standard membership LibDems - £1 for standard membership and up to £100 - voluntary amounts!!! UKIP - £30 for standard annual membership So from the above fees UKIP are not the most expensive and gain 2000, but Labour who is almost 50% more expensive gain 3,400 more members than last year!!! Tries who are even cheaper than your (by £5) lost members. It seems to blow your theory out of the water if UKIP had cheaper fees![/p][/quote]ukip last 12 months was a 1000 members a month joining (fact) over that period & as i say had the membership been as low as the others would have been many more. £20 to find is hard for many while £1 per week is more palatable..... Lets see how Labour do when the union members can opt out. Many have and many more will..... You will soon know the answer after the euro elections results are known & ukip hammer all of them and they will...., thats when the other partys will turn turtle yet again and do what ukip suggest.[/p][/quote]No it wasn't!!!! Between 2012 and 2013 it grew by 8000 and that, if my maths is correct, not 1000 per month! Not bothered about the Euros; as they literally have no direct impact on us common workers because there is nothing in the pipeline, over next 5 years, to address anything about the common worker! As it is UKIP have 9 MEPs which, according to all press and the downfall of LibDems, should rise to about 12 - out of how many British MEPs? (73 is the answer) therefore still not a controlling group and that would equate to 16.5% which is no different than the last Euro Election! But in Westminster on 2010 UKIP only garnered 3.1% of the vote and that should rise, next year, to about 8% of the vote!!! But Labours membership, in the last 12 months has risen by 3,400 and that is after the announcement of opt-out!!!! So can you advise as to why it has risen more than UKIP's considering Labour's membership fee is 50% more expensive. And anyway what is to stop someone saving £1/week to raise the required £30 membership fee for UKIP - that isn't any different!!!. Why do you keep insisting its only £20 when I checked the facts on UKIP's website? (http://ukip.datawar eonline.co.uk/JoinOn line.aspx?type=1)[/p][/quote]£20 was average.... Dont go on about ukip then if the issue desnt interest you.... our aim is the euro election & any voters who vote for them whille they are doing that then all well and good. Farage annonced the councils were not the priroity at this stage but its great we will get votes.....[/p][/quote]But funnily enough Nuttall has said it is a priority and they are putting 18 candidates forward!!!!!!!!! So which one is lying? BWFC71
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8:11am Tue 25 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote: BWFC: Forgot to mention. UKIP have just announced Doncaster race course for its 2014 venue. Its a 2000 audience & its in Ed Millibands Doncaster area. It is the largest venue to date so should tell you something is happening......Yes we are going for Labour and the north for sure. Check it out on ukip.org.
And..... The Tories had their conference in Manchester, Manchester Central, last year and Manchester is a stronghold Labour City. Labour had their conference in a stronghhold Tory city and LibDems just go anywhere which is cheap enough. That ideology is nothing new. The Greens held their conference in a true conference hall that could hold up to 5000 last year. I attended a conference about moving to Australia, last July, and there were over 6000 there!!!
Would you have got into Australia with the immigration points based system they operate to control who comes into the Country and who does not. The same one UKIP wants by the way. Regardless of what i say you will dismiss as you are 100% closed minded but you will soon see for yourself what i have been telling you. UKIP are on the march bigger next year than ever before.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: BWFC: Forgot to mention. UKIP have just announced Doncaster race course for its 2014 venue. Its a 2000 audience & its in Ed Millibands Doncaster area. It is the largest venue to date so should tell you something is happening......Yes we are going for Labour and the north for sure. Check it out on ukip.org.[/p][/quote]And..... The Tories had their conference in Manchester, Manchester Central, last year and Manchester is a stronghold Labour City. Labour had their conference in a stronghhold Tory city and LibDems just go anywhere which is cheap enough. That ideology is nothing new. The Greens held their conference in a true conference hall that could hold up to 5000 last year. I attended a conference about moving to Australia, last July, and there were over 6000 there!!![/p][/quote]Would you have got into Australia with the immigration points based system they operate to control who comes into the Country and who does not. The same one UKIP wants by the way. Regardless of what i say you will dismiss as you are 100% closed minded but you will soon see for yourself what i have been telling you. UKIP are on the march bigger next year than ever before. thomas222
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8:14am Tue 25 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Local elections can NOT have the policy of getting out of the EU. Councillors do not have the power to do that and if they campaign doing that then they are lying to the electorate!!!. The only people who have that power are MP's. Therefore getting out of EU cannot be campaigned as a local issue!!!! So if you think they will damage all the parties, then can you please explain why in the last 2 local by-elections The Conservatives actually increased their share of the vote, in Bolton?
The last elections means nothing.That was then this is now, . You will see a massive difference this time. We are voting for local council and also for the eu mps at the same time. The main front this time is out of the eu & while people are voting for that issue ukip will pick up many votes in the other election. We will both know then where ukip are or not going until then you and i must beg to differ.
Last elections? I am talking of the by-elections of which the last one was end of last year. UKIP do well in the Euro's because people do not realise that the MEP's cannot take the UK out of the EU without 1100% support from ALL British MEPs and then has to have an overall majority of 75% from the other 27 EU member countries - so that is nigh on impossible The local councillors who have no say when it comes to a National" policy, and pulling out of the EU is a national policy and NOT a local policy as it concerns the whole country rather than just one area. The only way the UK an leave the EU is via an application from The Palace of Westminster (aka Houses of Parliament) and only after a referendum, and a reading of a new Parliamentary act in House of Commons of then passed by the House of Lords. Therefore you say UKIP will be lying to gain votes in the local and the Euro elections? Once again, I ask what are UKIP's policies with regards to local issues? - you haven't answered yet and just skirted around the issue and try to cloud the issue by mentioning "national" policies! What are the people of Bolton going to get from UKIP Councillors? (knowing they wont have control of the council for at least another 2 years because only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs this year)
What have the others said to date & i have seen nothing of them saying what they will do or had any leaflets either.... its to early just yet. People are sick of the old guard, change is in the air is all im saying. The credibility of the main three has been outed thanks to the internet.. its the worst thing could have happened to them the internet.... they have been all been having us all off for years..... People usually vote for the one they alwaydsdid..... ukip has changed that & the reason that ukip members pay £20 to join & its now running at 34000 now. If they charged a couple of pounds like the others do they would be massive membership.......
But why has UKIP member only gone up by 2,000 since last year whilst Labour has increased by 3,400 and even The LibDems have increased by 900 (now that is astonishing considering they stabbed their members in the back at the last General Election) - only the ruling Party (which is not uncommon) has lost member and only by 800!!!! Labour - standard membership £3.80/month being £45.60 annually Conservative - £1 for support or £25 annual standard membership LibDems - £1 for standard membership and up to £100 - voluntary amounts!!! UKIP - £30 for standard annual membership So from the above fees UKIP are not the most expensive and gain 2000, but Labour who is almost 50% more expensive gain 3,400 more members than last year!!! Tries who are even cheaper than your (by £5) lost members. It seems to blow your theory out of the water if UKIP had cheaper fees!
ukip last 12 months was a 1000 members a month joining (fact) over that period & as i say had the membership been as low as the others would have been many more. £20 to find is hard for many while £1 per week is more palatable..... Lets see how Labour do when the union members can opt out. Many have and many more will..... You will soon know the answer after the euro elections results are known & ukip hammer all of them and they will...., thats when the other partys will turn turtle yet again and do what ukip suggest.
No it wasn't!!!! Between 2012 and 2013 it grew by 8000 and that, if my maths is correct, not 1000 per month! Not bothered about the Euros; as they literally have no direct impact on us common workers because there is nothing in the pipeline, over next 5 years, to address anything about the common worker! As it is UKIP have 9 MEPs which, according to all press and the downfall of LibDems, should rise to about 12 - out of how many British MEPs? (73 is the answer) therefore still not a controlling group and that would equate to 16.5% which is no different than the last Euro Election! But in Westminster on 2010 UKIP only garnered 3.1% of the vote and that should rise, next year, to about 8% of the vote!!! But Labours membership, in the last 12 months has risen by 3,400 and that is after the announcement of opt-out!!!! So can you advise as to why it has risen more than UKIP's considering Labour's membership fee is 50% more expensive. And anyway what is to stop someone saving £1/week to raise the required £30 membership fee for UKIP - that isn't any different!!!. Why do you keep insisting its only £20 when I checked the facts on UKIP's website? (http://ukip.datawar eonline.co.uk/JoinOn line.aspx?type=1)
£20 was average.... Dont go on about ukip then if the issue desnt interest you.... our aim is the euro election & any voters who vote for them whille they are doing that then all well and good. Farage annonced the councils were not the priroity at this stage but its great we will get votes.....
But funnily enough Nuttall has said it is a priority and they are putting 18 candidates forward!!!!!!!!! So which one is lying?
Lying ?. Is it possible a mistake or is that not allowed if your a ukipper?. Next few weeks you will know all you need to know.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Local elections can NOT have the policy of getting out of the EU. Councillors do not have the power to do that and if they campaign doing that then they are lying to the electorate!!!. The only people who have that power are MP's. Therefore getting out of EU cannot be campaigned as a local issue!!!! So if you think they will damage all the parties, then can you please explain why in the last 2 local by-elections The Conservatives actually increased their share of the vote, in Bolton?[/p][/quote]The last elections means nothing.That was then this is now, . You will see a massive difference this time. We are voting for local council and also for the eu mps at the same time. The main front this time is out of the eu & while people are voting for that issue ukip will pick up many votes in the other election. We will both know then where ukip are or not going until then you and i must beg to differ.[/p][/quote]Last elections? I am talking of the by-elections of which the last one was end of last year. UKIP do well in the Euro's because people do not realise that the MEP's cannot take the UK out of the EU without 1100% support from ALL British MEPs and then has to have an overall majority of 75% from the other 27 EU member countries - so that is nigh on impossible The local councillors who have no say when it comes to a National" policy, and pulling out of the EU is a national policy and NOT a local policy as it concerns the whole country rather than just one area. The only way the UK an leave the EU is via an application from The Palace of Westminster (aka Houses of Parliament) and only after a referendum, and a reading of a new Parliamentary act in House of Commons of then passed by the House of Lords. Therefore you say UKIP will be lying to gain votes in the local and the Euro elections? Once again, I ask what are UKIP's policies with regards to local issues? - you haven't answered yet and just skirted around the issue and try to cloud the issue by mentioning "national" policies! What are the people of Bolton going to get from UKIP Councillors? (knowing they wont have control of the council for at least another 2 years because only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs this year)[/p][/quote]What have the others said to date & i have seen nothing of them saying what they will do or had any leaflets either.... its to early just yet. People are sick of the old guard, change is in the air is all im saying. The credibility of the main three has been outed thanks to the internet.. its the worst thing could have happened to them the internet.... they have been all been having us all off for years..... People usually vote for the one they alwaydsdid..... ukip has changed that & the reason that ukip members pay £20 to join & its now running at 34000 now. If they charged a couple of pounds like the others do they would be massive membership.......[/p][/quote]But why has UKIP member only gone up by 2,000 since last year whilst Labour has increased by 3,400 and even The LibDems have increased by 900 (now that is astonishing considering they stabbed their members in the back at the last General Election) - only the ruling Party (which is not uncommon) has lost member and only by 800!!!! Labour - standard membership £3.80/month being £45.60 annually Conservative - £1 for support or £25 annual standard membership LibDems - £1 for standard membership and up to £100 - voluntary amounts!!! UKIP - £30 for standard annual membership So from the above fees UKIP are not the most expensive and gain 2000, but Labour who is almost 50% more expensive gain 3,400 more members than last year!!! Tries who are even cheaper than your (by £5) lost members. It seems to blow your theory out of the water if UKIP had cheaper fees![/p][/quote]ukip last 12 months was a 1000 members a month joining (fact) over that period & as i say had the membership been as low as the others would have been many more. £20 to find is hard for many while £1 per week is more palatable..... Lets see how Labour do when the union members can opt out. Many have and many more will..... You will soon know the answer after the euro elections results are known & ukip hammer all of them and they will...., thats when the other partys will turn turtle yet again and do what ukip suggest.[/p][/quote]No it wasn't!!!! Between 2012 and 2013 it grew by 8000 and that, if my maths is correct, not 1000 per month! Not bothered about the Euros; as they literally have no direct impact on us common workers because there is nothing in the pipeline, over next 5 years, to address anything about the common worker! As it is UKIP have 9 MEPs which, according to all press and the downfall of LibDems, should rise to about 12 - out of how many British MEPs? (73 is the answer) therefore still not a controlling group and that would equate to 16.5% which is no different than the last Euro Election! But in Westminster on 2010 UKIP only garnered 3.1% of the vote and that should rise, next year, to about 8% of the vote!!! But Labours membership, in the last 12 months has risen by 3,400 and that is after the announcement of opt-out!!!! So can you advise as to why it has risen more than UKIP's considering Labour's membership fee is 50% more expensive. And anyway what is to stop someone saving £1/week to raise the required £30 membership fee for UKIP - that isn't any different!!!. Why do you keep insisting its only £20 when I checked the facts on UKIP's website? (http://ukip.datawar eonline.co.uk/JoinOn line.aspx?type=1)[/p][/quote]£20 was average.... Dont go on about ukip then if the issue desnt interest you.... our aim is the euro election & any voters who vote for them whille they are doing that then all well and good. Farage annonced the councils were not the priroity at this stage but its great we will get votes.....[/p][/quote]But funnily enough Nuttall has said it is a priority and they are putting 18 candidates forward!!!!!!!!! So which one is lying?[/p][/quote]Lying ?. Is it possible a mistake or is that not allowed if your a ukipper?. Next few weeks you will know all you need to know. thomas222
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8:36am Tue 25 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Local elections can NOT have the policy of getting out of the EU. Councillors do not have the power to do that and if they campaign doing that then they are lying to the electorate!!!. The only people who have that power are MP's. Therefore getting out of EU cannot be campaigned as a local issue!!!! So if you think they will damage all the parties, then can you please explain why in the last 2 local by-elections The Conservatives actually increased their share of the vote, in Bolton?
The last elections means nothing.That was then this is now, . You will see a massive difference this time. We are voting for local council and also for the eu mps at the same time. The main front this time is out of the eu & while people are voting for that issue ukip will pick up many votes in the other election. We will both know then where ukip are or not going until then you and i must beg to differ.
Last elections? I am talking of the by-elections of which the last one was end of last year. UKIP do well in the Euro's because people do not realise that the MEP's cannot take the UK out of the EU without 1100% support from ALL British MEPs and then has to have an overall majority of 75% from the other 27 EU member countries - so that is nigh on impossible The local councillors who have no say when it comes to a National" policy, and pulling out of the EU is a national policy and NOT a local policy as it concerns the whole country rather than just one area. The only way the UK an leave the EU is via an application from The Palace of Westminster (aka Houses of Parliament) and only after a referendum, and a reading of a new Parliamentary act in House of Commons of then passed by the House of Lords. Therefore you say UKIP will be lying to gain votes in the local and the Euro elections? Once again, I ask what are UKIP's policies with regards to local issues? - you haven't answered yet and just skirted around the issue and try to cloud the issue by mentioning "national" policies! What are the people of Bolton going to get from UKIP Councillors? (knowing they wont have control of the council for at least another 2 years because only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs this year)
What have the others said to date & i have seen nothing of them saying what they will do or had any leaflets either.... its to early just yet. People are sick of the old guard, change is in the air is all im saying. The credibility of the main three has been outed thanks to the internet.. its the worst thing could have happened to them the internet.... they have been all been having us all off for years..... People usually vote for the one they alwaydsdid..... ukip has changed that & the reason that ukip members pay £20 to join & its now running at 34000 now. If they charged a couple of pounds like the others do they would be massive membership.......
But why has UKIP member only gone up by 2,000 since last year whilst Labour has increased by 3,400 and even The LibDems have increased by 900 (now that is astonishing considering they stabbed their members in the back at the last General Election) - only the ruling Party (which is not uncommon) has lost member and only by 800!!!! Labour - standard membership £3.80/month being £45.60 annually Conservative - £1 for support or £25 annual standard membership LibDems - £1 for standard membership and up to £100 - voluntary amounts!!! UKIP - £30 for standard annual membership So from the above fees UKIP are not the most expensive and gain 2000, but Labour who is almost 50% more expensive gain 3,400 more members than last year!!! Tries who are even cheaper than your (by £5) lost members. It seems to blow your theory out of the water if UKIP had cheaper fees!
ukip last 12 months was a 1000 members a month joining (fact) over that period & as i say had the membership been as low as the others would have been many more. £20 to find is hard for many while £1 per week is more palatable..... Lets see how Labour do when the union members can opt out. Many have and many more will..... You will soon know the answer after the euro elections results are known & ukip hammer all of them and they will...., thats when the other partys will turn turtle yet again and do what ukip suggest.
No it wasn't!!!! Between 2012 and 2013 it grew by 8000 and that, if my maths is correct, not 1000 per month! Not bothered about the Euros; as they literally have no direct impact on us common workers because there is nothing in the pipeline, over next 5 years, to address anything about the common worker! As it is UKIP have 9 MEPs which, according to all press and the downfall of LibDems, should rise to about 12 - out of how many British MEPs? (73 is the answer) therefore still not a controlling group and that would equate to 16.5% which is no different than the last Euro Election! But in Westminster on 2010 UKIP only garnered 3.1% of the vote and that should rise, next year, to about 8% of the vote!!! But Labours membership, in the last 12 months has risen by 3,400 and that is after the announcement of opt-out!!!! So can you advise as to why it has risen more than UKIP's considering Labour's membership fee is 50% more expensive. And anyway what is to stop someone saving £1/week to raise the required £30 membership fee for UKIP - that isn't any different!!!. Why do you keep insisting its only £20 when I checked the facts on UKIP's website? (http://ukip.datawar eonline.co.uk/JoinOn line.aspx?type=1)
£20 was average.... Dont go on about ukip then if the issue desnt interest you.... our aim is the euro election & any voters who vote for them whille they are doing that then all well and good. Farage annonced the councils were not the priroity at this stage but its great we will get votes.....
But funnily enough Nuttall has said it is a priority and they are putting 18 candidates forward!!!!!!!!! So which one is lying?
Lying ?. Is it possible a mistake or is that not allowed if your a ukipper?. Next few weeks you will know all you need to know.
Next few weeks is not good enough as they should be campaigning now to get into the people's minds.

Also these locals ARE important because of the cuts that are biting everyone now and we have to know what each party pledge to do in helping with frontline services and making the lives of people of Bolton easier and "cheaper"

Erstwhile it seems that we are heading back into a mini recession with the Post Office announcing 1600 job redundancies and now Honda reducing the number of **** from 3 to 2 and losing about 350 jobs (that is 2000 losing their jobs!!!) - so how would UKIP try to stop the country from going back into a recession?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Local elections can NOT have the policy of getting out of the EU. Councillors do not have the power to do that and if they campaign doing that then they are lying to the electorate!!!. The only people who have that power are MP's. Therefore getting out of EU cannot be campaigned as a local issue!!!! So if you think they will damage all the parties, then can you please explain why in the last 2 local by-elections The Conservatives actually increased their share of the vote, in Bolton?[/p][/quote]The last elections means nothing.That was then this is now, . You will see a massive difference this time. We are voting for local council and also for the eu mps at the same time. The main front this time is out of the eu & while people are voting for that issue ukip will pick up many votes in the other election. We will both know then where ukip are or not going until then you and i must beg to differ.[/p][/quote]Last elections? I am talking of the by-elections of which the last one was end of last year. UKIP do well in the Euro's because people do not realise that the MEP's cannot take the UK out of the EU without 1100% support from ALL British MEPs and then has to have an overall majority of 75% from the other 27 EU member countries - so that is nigh on impossible The local councillors who have no say when it comes to a National" policy, and pulling out of the EU is a national policy and NOT a local policy as it concerns the whole country rather than just one area. The only way the UK an leave the EU is via an application from The Palace of Westminster (aka Houses of Parliament) and only after a referendum, and a reading of a new Parliamentary act in House of Commons of then passed by the House of Lords. Therefore you say UKIP will be lying to gain votes in the local and the Euro elections? Once again, I ask what are UKIP's policies with regards to local issues? - you haven't answered yet and just skirted around the issue and try to cloud the issue by mentioning "national" policies! What are the people of Bolton going to get from UKIP Councillors? (knowing they wont have control of the council for at least another 2 years because only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs this year)[/p][/quote]What have the others said to date & i have seen nothing of them saying what they will do or had any leaflets either.... its to early just yet. People are sick of the old guard, change is in the air is all im saying. The credibility of the main three has been outed thanks to the internet.. its the worst thing could have happened to them the internet.... they have been all been having us all off for years..... People usually vote for the one they alwaydsdid..... ukip has changed that & the reason that ukip members pay £20 to join & its now running at 34000 now. If they charged a couple of pounds like the others do they would be massive membership.......[/p][/quote]But why has UKIP member only gone up by 2,000 since last year whilst Labour has increased by 3,400 and even The LibDems have increased by 900 (now that is astonishing considering they stabbed their members in the back at the last General Election) - only the ruling Party (which is not uncommon) has lost member and only by 800!!!! Labour - standard membership £3.80/month being £45.60 annually Conservative - £1 for support or £25 annual standard membership LibDems - £1 for standard membership and up to £100 - voluntary amounts!!! UKIP - £30 for standard annual membership So from the above fees UKIP are not the most expensive and gain 2000, but Labour who is almost 50% more expensive gain 3,400 more members than last year!!! Tries who are even cheaper than your (by £5) lost members. It seems to blow your theory out of the water if UKIP had cheaper fees![/p][/quote]ukip last 12 months was a 1000 members a month joining (fact) over that period & as i say had the membership been as low as the others would have been many more. £20 to find is hard for many while £1 per week is more palatable..... Lets see how Labour do when the union members can opt out. Many have and many more will..... You will soon know the answer after the euro elections results are known & ukip hammer all of them and they will...., thats when the other partys will turn turtle yet again and do what ukip suggest.[/p][/quote]No it wasn't!!!! Between 2012 and 2013 it grew by 8000 and that, if my maths is correct, not 1000 per month! Not bothered about the Euros; as they literally have no direct impact on us common workers because there is nothing in the pipeline, over next 5 years, to address anything about the common worker! As it is UKIP have 9 MEPs which, according to all press and the downfall of LibDems, should rise to about 12 - out of how many British MEPs? (73 is the answer) therefore still not a controlling group and that would equate to 16.5% which is no different than the last Euro Election! But in Westminster on 2010 UKIP only garnered 3.1% of the vote and that should rise, next year, to about 8% of the vote!!! But Labours membership, in the last 12 months has risen by 3,400 and that is after the announcement of opt-out!!!! So can you advise as to why it has risen more than UKIP's considering Labour's membership fee is 50% more expensive. And anyway what is to stop someone saving £1/week to raise the required £30 membership fee for UKIP - that isn't any different!!!. Why do you keep insisting its only £20 when I checked the facts on UKIP's website? (http://ukip.datawar eonline.co.uk/JoinOn line.aspx?type=1)[/p][/quote]£20 was average.... Dont go on about ukip then if the issue desnt interest you.... our aim is the euro election & any voters who vote for them whille they are doing that then all well and good. Farage annonced the councils were not the priroity at this stage but its great we will get votes.....[/p][/quote]But funnily enough Nuttall has said it is a priority and they are putting 18 candidates forward!!!!!!!!! So which one is lying?[/p][/quote]Lying ?. Is it possible a mistake or is that not allowed if your a ukipper?. Next few weeks you will know all you need to know.[/p][/quote]Next few weeks is not good enough as they should be campaigning now to get into the people's minds. Also these locals ARE important because of the cuts that are biting everyone now and we have to know what each party pledge to do in helping with frontline services and making the lives of people of Bolton easier and "cheaper" Erstwhile it seems that we are heading back into a mini recession with the Post Office announcing 1600 job redundancies and now Honda reducing the number of **** from 3 to 2 and losing about 350 jobs (that is 2000 losing their jobs!!!) - so how would UKIP try to stop the country from going back into a recession? BWFC71
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8:53am Tue 25 Mar 14

rostron says...

My original posting started with
WHEN NOT IN MUSEUM
meaning it will be hunt the toilet for any visitors who may wish to eat & drink in the town, AFTER their visit to museum. I know where they are situated inside the museum !
My original posting started with WHEN NOT IN MUSEUM meaning it will be hunt the toilet for any visitors who may wish to eat & drink in the town, AFTER their visit to museum. I know where they are situated inside the museum ! rostron
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8:58am Tue 25 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote: Local elections can NOT have the policy of getting out of the EU. Councillors do not have the power to do that and if they campaign doing that then they are lying to the electorate!!!. The only people who have that power are MP's. Therefore getting out of EU cannot be campaigned as a local issue!!!! So if you think they will damage all the parties, then can you please explain why in the last 2 local by-elections The Conservatives actually increased their share of the vote, in Bolton?
The last elections means nothing.That was then this is now, . You will see a massive difference this time. We are voting for local council and also for the eu mps at the same time. The main front this time is out of the eu & while people are voting for that issue ukip will pick up many votes in the other election. We will both know then where ukip are or not going until then you and i must beg to differ.
Last elections? I am talking of the by-elections of which the last one was end of last year. UKIP do well in the Euro's because people do not realise that the MEP's cannot take the UK out of the EU without 1100% support from ALL British MEPs and then has to have an overall majority of 75% from the other 27 EU member countries - so that is nigh on impossible The local councillors who have no say when it comes to a National" policy, and pulling out of the EU is a national policy and NOT a local policy as it concerns the whole country rather than just one area. The only way the UK an leave the EU is via an application from The Palace of Westminster (aka Houses of Parliament) and only after a referendum, and a reading of a new Parliamentary act in House of Commons of then passed by the House of Lords. Therefore you say UKIP will be lying to gain votes in the local and the Euro elections? Once again, I ask what are UKIP's policies with regards to local issues? - you haven't answered yet and just skirted around the issue and try to cloud the issue by mentioning "national" policies! What are the people of Bolton going to get from UKIP Councillors? (knowing they wont have control of the council for at least another 2 years because only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs this year)
What have the others said to date & i have seen nothing of them saying what they will do or had any leaflets either.... its to early just yet. People are sick of the old guard, change is in the air is all im saying. The credibility of the main three has been outed thanks to the internet.. its the worst thing could have happened to them the internet.... they have been all been having us all off for years..... People usually vote for the one they alwaydsdid..... ukip has changed that & the reason that ukip members pay £20 to join & its now running at 34000 now. If they charged a couple of pounds like the others do they would be massive membership.......
But why has UKIP member only gone up by 2,000 since last year whilst Labour has increased by 3,400 and even The LibDems have increased by 900 (now that is astonishing considering they stabbed their members in the back at the last General Election) - only the ruling Party (which is not uncommon) has lost member and only by 800!!!! Labour - standard membership £3.80/month being £45.60 annually Conservative - £1 for support or £25 annual standard membership LibDems - £1 for standard membership and up to £100 - voluntary amounts!!! UKIP - £30 for standard annual membership So from the above fees UKIP are not the most expensive and gain 2000, but Labour who is almost 50% more expensive gain 3,400 more members than last year!!! Tries who are even cheaper than your (by £5) lost members. It seems to blow your theory out of the water if UKIP had cheaper fees!
ukip last 12 months was a 1000 members a month joining (fact) over that period & as i say had the membership been as low as the others would have been many more. £20 to find is hard for many while £1 per week is more palatable..... Lets see how Labour do when the union members can opt out. Many have and many more will..... You will soon know the answer after the euro elections results are known & ukip hammer all of them and they will...., thats when the other partys will turn turtle yet again and do what ukip suggest.
No it wasn't!!!! Between 2012 and 2013 it grew by 8000 and that, if my maths is correct, not 1000 per month! Not bothered about the Euros; as they literally have no direct impact on us common workers because there is nothing in the pipeline, over next 5 years, to address anything about the common worker! As it is UKIP have 9 MEPs which, according to all press and the downfall of LibDems, should rise to about 12 - out of how many British MEPs? (73 is the answer) therefore still not a controlling group and that would equate to 16.5% which is no different than the last Euro Election! But in Westminster on 2010 UKIP only garnered 3.1% of the vote and that should rise, next year, to about 8% of the vote!!! But Labours membership, in the last 12 months has risen by 3,400 and that is after the announcement of opt-out!!!! So can you advise as to why it has risen more than UKIP's considering Labour's membership fee is 50% more expensive. And anyway what is to stop someone saving £1/week to raise the required £30 membership fee for UKIP - that isn't any different!!!. Why do you keep insisting its only £20 when I checked the facts on UKIP's website? (http://ukip.datawar eonline.co.uk/JoinOn line.aspx?type=1)
£20 was average.... Dont go on about ukip then if the issue desnt interest you.... our aim is the euro election & any voters who vote for them whille they are doing that then all well and good. Farage annonced the councils were not the priroity at this stage but its great we will get votes.....
But funnily enough Nuttall has said it is a priority and they are putting 18 candidates forward!!!!!!!!! So which one is lying?
Lying ?. Is it possible a mistake or is that not allowed if your a ukipper?. Next few weeks you will know all you need to know.
Next few weeks is not good enough as they should be campaigning now to get into the people's minds. Also these locals ARE important because of the cuts that are biting everyone now and we have to know what each party pledge to do in helping with frontline services and making the lives of people of Bolton easier and "cheaper" Erstwhile it seems that we are heading back into a mini recession with the Post Office announcing 1600 job redundancies and now Honda reducing the number of **** from 3 to 2 and losing about 350 jobs (that is 2000 losing their jobs!!!) - so how would UKIP try to stop the country from going back into a recession?
What have the old party,s leaflets you have had delivered said they will do to answer the front line services you mention ?.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Local elections can NOT have the policy of getting out of the EU. Councillors do not have the power to do that and if they campaign doing that then they are lying to the electorate!!!. The only people who have that power are MP's. Therefore getting out of EU cannot be campaigned as a local issue!!!! So if you think they will damage all the parties, then can you please explain why in the last 2 local by-elections The Conservatives actually increased their share of the vote, in Bolton?[/p][/quote]The last elections means nothing.That was then this is now, . You will see a massive difference this time. We are voting for local council and also for the eu mps at the same time. The main front this time is out of the eu & while people are voting for that issue ukip will pick up many votes in the other election. We will both know then where ukip are or not going until then you and i must beg to differ.[/p][/quote]Last elections? I am talking of the by-elections of which the last one was end of last year. UKIP do well in the Euro's because people do not realise that the MEP's cannot take the UK out of the EU without 1100% support from ALL British MEPs and then has to have an overall majority of 75% from the other 27 EU member countries - so that is nigh on impossible The local councillors who have no say when it comes to a National" policy, and pulling out of the EU is a national policy and NOT a local policy as it concerns the whole country rather than just one area. The only way the UK an leave the EU is via an application from The Palace of Westminster (aka Houses of Parliament) and only after a referendum, and a reading of a new Parliamentary act in House of Commons of then passed by the House of Lords. Therefore you say UKIP will be lying to gain votes in the local and the Euro elections? Once again, I ask what are UKIP's policies with regards to local issues? - you haven't answered yet and just skirted around the issue and try to cloud the issue by mentioning "national" policies! What are the people of Bolton going to get from UKIP Councillors? (knowing they wont have control of the council for at least another 2 years because only 1/3 of the seats are up for grabs this year)[/p][/quote]What have the others said to date & i have seen nothing of them saying what they will do or had any leaflets either.... its to early just yet. People are sick of the old guard, change is in the air is all im saying. The credibility of the main three has been outed thanks to the internet.. its the worst thing could have happened to them the internet.... they have been all been having us all off for years..... People usually vote for the one they alwaydsdid..... ukip has changed that & the reason that ukip members pay £20 to join & its now running at 34000 now. If they charged a couple of pounds like the others do they would be massive membership.......[/p][/quote]But why has UKIP member only gone up by 2,000 since last year whilst Labour has increased by 3,400 and even The LibDems have increased by 900 (now that is astonishing considering they stabbed their members in the back at the last General Election) - only the ruling Party (which is not uncommon) has lost member and only by 800!!!! Labour - standard membership £3.80/month being £45.60 annually Conservative - £1 for support or £25 annual standard membership LibDems - £1 for standard membership and up to £100 - voluntary amounts!!! UKIP - £30 for standard annual membership So from the above fees UKIP are not the most expensive and gain 2000, but Labour who is almost 50% more expensive gain 3,400 more members than last year!!! Tries who are even cheaper than your (by £5) lost members. It seems to blow your theory out of the water if UKIP had cheaper fees![/p][/quote]ukip last 12 months was a 1000 members a month joining (fact) over that period & as i say had the membership been as low as the others would have been many more. £20 to find is hard for many while £1 per week is more palatable..... Lets see how Labour do when the union members can opt out. Many have and many more will..... You will soon know the answer after the euro elections results are known & ukip hammer all of them and they will...., thats when the other partys will turn turtle yet again and do what ukip suggest.[/p][/quote]No it wasn't!!!! Between 2012 and 2013 it grew by 8000 and that, if my maths is correct, not 1000 per month! Not bothered about the Euros; as they literally have no direct impact on us common workers because there is nothing in the pipeline, over next 5 years, to address anything about the common worker! As it is UKIP have 9 MEPs which, according to all press and the downfall of LibDems, should rise to about 12 - out of how many British MEPs? (73 is the answer) therefore still not a controlling group and that would equate to 16.5% which is no different than the last Euro Election! But in Westminster on 2010 UKIP only garnered 3.1% of the vote and that should rise, next year, to about 8% of the vote!!! But Labours membership, in the last 12 months has risen by 3,400 and that is after the announcement of opt-out!!!! So can you advise as to why it has risen more than UKIP's considering Labour's membership fee is 50% more expensive. And anyway what is to stop someone saving £1/week to raise the required £30 membership fee for UKIP - that isn't any different!!!. Why do you keep insisting its only £20 when I checked the facts on UKIP's website? (http://ukip.datawar eonline.co.uk/JoinOn line.aspx?type=1)[/p][/quote]£20 was average.... Dont go on about ukip then if the issue desnt interest you.... our aim is the euro election & any voters who vote for them whille they are doing that then all well and good. Farage annonced the councils were not the priroity at this stage but its great we will get votes.....[/p][/quote]But funnily enough Nuttall has said it is a priority and they are putting 18 candidates forward!!!!!!!!! So which one is lying?[/p][/quote]Lying ?. Is it possible a mistake or is that not allowed if your a ukipper?. Next few weeks you will know all you need to know.[/p][/quote]Next few weeks is not good enough as they should be campaigning now to get into the people's minds. Also these locals ARE important because of the cuts that are biting everyone now and we have to know what each party pledge to do in helping with frontline services and making the lives of people of Bolton easier and "cheaper" Erstwhile it seems that we are heading back into a mini recession with the Post Office announcing 1600 job redundancies and now Honda reducing the number of **** from 3 to 2 and losing about 350 jobs (that is 2000 losing their jobs!!!) - so how would UKIP try to stop the country from going back into a recession?[/p][/quote]What have the old party,s leaflets you have had delivered said they will do to answer the front line services you mention ?. thomas222
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12:57pm Tue 25 Mar 14

cliff4treasurer says...

ANNE CROMPTON COMMUNITY WORKER,NOT ONE PENNY SPENT OF COUNCILS MONEY.
AT LAST, A COUNCIL WORKER WHO WORKS FOR NOTHING!
ANNE CROMPTON COMMUNITY WORKER,NOT ONE PENNY SPENT OF COUNCILS MONEY. AT LAST, A COUNCIL WORKER WHO WORKS FOR NOTHING! cliff4treasurer
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6:45pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Ernagy2 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
what has " Victoria Hall Complex " got to do with what you just wrote ?
Just after the Market Place development had opened there was talk of developing behind the Victoria Hall with a shopping arcade and a European style boulevard and even an up to date art gallery.
I'd forgotten that one. But, yes that was another proposal announced in a blaze of glory that didn't see the light of day.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: what has " Victoria Hall Complex " got to do with what you just wrote ?[/p][/quote]Just after the Market Place development had opened there was talk of developing behind the Victoria Hall with a shopping arcade and a European style boulevard and even an up to date art gallery.[/p][/quote]I'd forgotten that one. But, yes that was another proposal announced in a blaze of glory that didn't see the light of day. Ernagy2
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2:46pm Thu 27 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote: BWFC: Forgot to mention. UKIP have just announced Doncaster race course for its 2014 venue. Its a 2000 audience & its in Ed Millibands Doncaster area. It is the largest venue to date so should tell you something is happening......Yes we are going for Labour and the north for sure. Check it out on ukip.org.
And..... The Tories had their conference in Manchester, Manchester Central, last year and Manchester is a stronghold Labour City. Labour had their conference in a stronghhold Tory city and LibDems just go anywhere which is cheap enough. That ideology is nothing new. The Greens held their conference in a true conference hall that could hold up to 5000 last year. I attended a conference about moving to Australia, last July, and there were over 6000 there!!!
Would you have got into Australia with the immigration points based system they operate to control who comes into the Country and who does not. The same one UKIP wants by the way. Regardless of what i say you will dismiss as you are 100% closed minded but you will soon see for yourself what i have been telling you. UKIP are on the march bigger next year than ever before.
Which points system are you referring to:-
Western Australia's
South Australia's
Victoria's
New South Wales'
Tazmania's
Queensland's
Northern Territory's
or the ACT?

Each Australian state have different points system!!!!

And to be fair it is very easy to by-pass the points system if you are aged between 18 and 35 through working holiday visa which lasts for 12 months but can be easily extended or even replaced by a permanent visa!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: BWFC: Forgot to mention. UKIP have just announced Doncaster race course for its 2014 venue. Its a 2000 audience & its in Ed Millibands Doncaster area. It is the largest venue to date so should tell you something is happening......Yes we are going for Labour and the north for sure. Check it out on ukip.org.[/p][/quote]And..... The Tories had their conference in Manchester, Manchester Central, last year and Manchester is a stronghold Labour City. Labour had their conference in a stronghhold Tory city and LibDems just go anywhere which is cheap enough. That ideology is nothing new. The Greens held their conference in a true conference hall that could hold up to 5000 last year. I attended a conference about moving to Australia, last July, and there were over 6000 there!!![/p][/quote]Would you have got into Australia with the immigration points based system they operate to control who comes into the Country and who does not. The same one UKIP wants by the way. Regardless of what i say you will dismiss as you are 100% closed minded but you will soon see for yourself what i have been telling you. UKIP are on the march bigger next year than ever before.[/p][/quote]Which points system are you referring to:- Western Australia's South Australia's Victoria's New South Wales' Tazmania's Queensland's Northern Territory's or the ACT? Each Australian state have different points system!!!! And to be fair it is very easy to by-pass the points system if you are aged between 18 and 35 through working holiday visa which lasts for 12 months but can be easily extended or even replaced by a permanent visa! BWFC71
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3:18pm Thu 27 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
thomas222 wrote: BWFC: Forgot to mention. UKIP have just announced Doncaster race course for its 2014 venue. Its a 2000 audience & its in Ed Millibands Doncaster area. It is the largest venue to date so should tell you something is happening......Yes we are going for Labour and the north for sure. Check it out on ukip.org.
And..... The Tories had their conference in Manchester, Manchester Central, last year and Manchester is a stronghold Labour City. Labour had their conference in a stronghhold Tory city and LibDems just go anywhere which is cheap enough. That ideology is nothing new. The Greens held their conference in a true conference hall that could hold up to 5000 last year. I attended a conference about moving to Australia, last July, and there were over 6000 there!!!
Would you have got into Australia with the immigration points based system they operate to control who comes into the Country and who does not. The same one UKIP wants by the way. Regardless of what i say you will dismiss as you are 100% closed minded but you will soon see for yourself what i have been telling you. UKIP are on the march bigger next year than ever before.
Which points system are you referring to:- Western Australia's South Australia's Victoria's New South Wales' Tazmania's Queensland's Northern Territory's or the ACT? Each Australian state have different points system!!!! And to be fair it is very easy to by-pass the points system if you are aged between 18 and 35 through working holiday visa which lasts for 12 months but can be easily extended or even replaced by a permanent visa!
Im not interested in which one just knowing its working will be enough for me.. and it is if you check it out... big time! Your arguments look weaker and weaker the more you say.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: BWFC: Forgot to mention. UKIP have just announced Doncaster race course for its 2014 venue. Its a 2000 audience & its in Ed Millibands Doncaster area. It is the largest venue to date so should tell you something is happening......Yes we are going for Labour and the north for sure. Check it out on ukip.org.[/p][/quote]And..... The Tories had their conference in Manchester, Manchester Central, last year and Manchester is a stronghold Labour City. Labour had their conference in a stronghhold Tory city and LibDems just go anywhere which is cheap enough. That ideology is nothing new. The Greens held their conference in a true conference hall that could hold up to 5000 last year. I attended a conference about moving to Australia, last July, and there were over 6000 there!!![/p][/quote]Would you have got into Australia with the immigration points based system they operate to control who comes into the Country and who does not. The same one UKIP wants by the way. Regardless of what i say you will dismiss as you are 100% closed minded but you will soon see for yourself what i have been telling you. UKIP are on the march bigger next year than ever before.[/p][/quote]Which points system are you referring to:- Western Australia's South Australia's Victoria's New South Wales' Tazmania's Queensland's Northern Territory's or the ACT? Each Australian state have different points system!!!! And to be fair it is very easy to by-pass the points system if you are aged between 18 and 35 through working holiday visa which lasts for 12 months but can be easily extended or even replaced by a permanent visa![/p][/quote]Im not interested in which one just knowing its working will be enough for me.. and it is if you check it out... big time! Your arguments look weaker and weaker the more you say. thomas222
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