Blackburn Council calls for shisha bars to be licensed

This Is Lancashire: Blackburn Council calls for shisha bars to be licensed Blackburn Council calls for shisha bars to be licensed

BLACKBURN Council is calling for all shisha bars to be licensed following the seizure of dozens of illegal pipes.

Police have been given permission by the courts to dispose of 38 pipes seized from a Blackburn cafe in the biggest single haul ever seen. But because the owner of the pipes could not be traced, nobody could be prosecuted for their illegal use.

Council leaders have written to Anna Soubry, the government’s public health minister, asking for a licensing system to be introduced.

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They want the power to:

* Ban under 18s from entering shisha cafes

* Require proper identification for all cafe operators

* Allow for the forfeiture of equipment from unlicensed premises

* Restrict proxy sales of tobacco to under 18s,

* Give authorities, including the police, the opportunity to vet license holders.

A council spokesman said: “The only thing the council can regulate them with at the moment is smoke free legislation.

“What we are calling for is for these places to be licensed and for the government to give us more power.”

Blackburn MP Jack Straw backed the council’s call for licensing. He said: “I would very strongly support it. I think it’s obviously a public health issue, but it’s also a public order issue.

“I visited one of these premises unannounced but the door was controlled by CCTV and it took a few minutes for me to gain access, and all I can say is there was a strong smell of smoke inside the premises.

“These are a substitute for pubs and they have to be licensed properly, like pubs.

“In my view they need to be licensed, because underage children are using them.

“When I visited, although everybody said they were 18 I had my doubts.”

Smoking shisha is not illegal in itself, but under current laws premises must act within the restrictions of the smoking ban, which means shelters where it is smoked have to be 50 per cent open to the air.

Although it is illegal for under 18s to smoke shisha, it is common practice for young people to be present in places where shisha is being smoked, putting them at risk from passive smoking.

Police have also spoken of their concerns about some underage teenagers smoking shisha illegally in Blackburn. The average shisha-smoking session lasts an hour and research has shown that in this time smokers can inhale the same amount of smoke as from more than 100 cigarettes.

Like cigarettes, shisha contains nicotine, tar, carbon monoxide and heavy metals, such as arsenic and lead, putting shisha smokers at risk of the same kinds of diseases as cigarette smokers, including heart disease, cancer, respiratory disease and problems during pregnancy.

In addition, there are health implications from sharing the pipe, including a risk of catching TB, herpes and gum disease.

Councillor Shaukhat Hussain said: "Current legislation does not act as a sufficient financial deterrent and a number of shisha bars frequented by the residents in Blackburn with Darwen flout the small penalties imposed on them and continue to operate in an illegal manner.

“This council is also concerned that shisha smoking has a detrimental impact on the health of those young residents of Blackburn with Darwen who undertake this activity and, in addition, that there are potential safeguarding issues caused by the unregulated nature of some shisha bars."

The 38 shisha pipes were seized by officers when a warrant was executed at Velvet, located above Floors N Doors, in May last year. Police, sniffer dogs and staff from the council’s public protection unit stormed the lounge, where it was found an illegal shisha den was operating.

Two girls aged 13 and 15 were taken to a place of safety and the venue was permanently shut down.

Nobody admitted to owning the pipes and so police said it was necessary to take them away to avoid any further offences being committed. Sgt Nick Everett, who works in Blackburn town centre, said it was important residents told them where shisha was being smoked illegally so that officers could take action.

He said: “As a result of community intelligence a warrant under Misuse Of Drugs Act was obtained and executed at Velvet, Weir Street, Blackburn.

“Police solicitors attended Blackburn Magistrates Court on February 24 and were given an order for disposal of the items under the Police Property Act.”

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6:19am Wed 5 Mar 14

HarryBosch says...

So while our pubs and clubs are closing at an alarming rate, in part due to the smoking ban, these bars are proliferating. One rule for one comes to mind!
So while our pubs and clubs are closing at an alarming rate, in part due to the smoking ban, these bars are proliferating. One rule for one comes to mind! HarryBosch
  • Score: 53

6:47am Wed 5 Mar 14

denidenideni says...

IF they are breaking the law, shut them down.
IF they are breaking the law, shut them down. denidenideni
  • Score: 51

7:03am Wed 5 Mar 14

Markr says...

Looks like they are again trying to change the law to accommodate a certain part of our population, this is blatent racism against the people of this country.
And people wonder why there are racial tensions in the UK, just look at the laws that councils and government are trying to implement.
Looks like they are again trying to change the law to accommodate a certain part of our population, this is blatent racism against the people of this country. And people wonder why there are racial tensions in the UK, just look at the laws that councils and government are trying to implement. Markr
  • Score: 44

7:38am Wed 5 Mar 14

Bluelizzy says...

It sounds very unhealthy, arsenic, lead etc. Leave them to it.
It sounds very unhealthy, arsenic, lead etc. Leave them to it. Bluelizzy
  • Score: 13

7:47am Wed 5 Mar 14

Excluded again says...

Markr wrote:
Looks like they are again trying to change the law to accommodate a certain part of our population, this is blatent racism against the people of this country.
And people wonder why there are racial tensions in the UK, just look at the laws that councils and government are trying to implement.
No the Council are asking for a change in the law so that Shisha Bars are licensed much like pubs. The Council are asking for a loophole in the law to be closed.

The Council can raid them, confiscate Shisha pipes and even shut premises down but because they are not licensed, who do you prosecute? So the people responsible can just open another Shisha bar having suffered no penalties.

Get the premises licensed, there is a name on the license and, if they are found to be breaking the law, then the Council knows exactly who to prosecute.
[quote][p][bold]Markr[/bold] wrote: Looks like they are again trying to change the law to accommodate a certain part of our population, this is blatent racism against the people of this country. And people wonder why there are racial tensions in the UK, just look at the laws that councils and government are trying to implement.[/p][/quote]No the Council are asking for a change in the law so that Shisha Bars are licensed much like pubs. The Council are asking for a loophole in the law to be closed. The Council can raid them, confiscate Shisha pipes and even shut premises down but because they are not licensed, who do you prosecute? So the people responsible can just open another Shisha bar having suffered no penalties. Get the premises licensed, there is a name on the license and, if they are found to be breaking the law, then the Council knows exactly who to prosecute. Excluded again
  • Score: 18

8:04am Wed 5 Mar 14

PK Bailey says...

Somebody owns the cafe easy charge them!"
Somebody owns the cafe easy charge them!" PK Bailey
  • Score: 20

8:14am Wed 5 Mar 14

Excluded again says...

PK Bailey wrote:
Somebody owns the cafe easy charge them!"
'I had no idea what was happening. I was not there. I'm not the person responsible' Not guilty.

The point about being licenced is that the person who holds the licence is responsible - doesn't matter whether they were on the premises or not. They are expected to have systems in place to prevent the law being broken..
[quote][p][bold]PK Bailey[/bold] wrote: Somebody owns the cafe easy charge them!"[/p][/quote]'I had no idea what was happening. I was not there. I'm not the person responsible' Not guilty. The point about being licenced is that the person who holds the licence is responsible - doesn't matter whether they were on the premises or not. They are expected to have systems in place to prevent the law being broken.. Excluded again
  • Score: 13

9:06am Wed 5 Mar 14

campbell69s says...

So someone could open up a 'cigarette bar', and as long as it was licensed it would be fine?
So someone could open up a 'cigarette bar', and as long as it was licensed it would be fine? campbell69s
  • Score: 19

9:28am Wed 5 Mar 14

AnthonyUK says...

The people who run these places think they are above the law and also think can do whatever they like within ignorance of the law too.
The people who run these places think they are above the law and also think can do whatever they like within ignorance of the law too. AnthonyUK
  • Score: 28

10:29am Wed 5 Mar 14

bigste says...

There is no valid reason for legalising a shisha smoking parlour. Smoking is banned, period. It can never happen.
There is no valid reason for legalising a shisha smoking parlour. Smoking is banned, period. It can never happen. bigste
  • Score: 17

10:44am Wed 5 Mar 14

Otherhand says...

Didnt take long for the white Christians complaining about being second class citizens did it. Usuall pathetic complaining. Of course these bars need to be closed down they are illegal but there are legal shisha bars as well. WHAT ABOUT THE DRUNKEN VIOLENCE THAT PUBS AND CLUBS CAUSE AND USE UP MY TAX MONEY. DISGUSTING. I FEEL LIKE A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN ON A FRI SAT NIGHT AVOIDING ALL THE DRUNK CHRISTIANS ON DARWEN STREET.
Didnt take long for the white Christians complaining about being second class citizens did it. Usuall pathetic complaining. Of course these bars need to be closed down they are illegal but there are legal shisha bars as well. WHAT ABOUT THE DRUNKEN VIOLENCE THAT PUBS AND CLUBS CAUSE AND USE UP MY TAX MONEY. DISGUSTING. I FEEL LIKE A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN ON A FRI SAT NIGHT AVOIDING ALL THE DRUNK CHRISTIANS ON DARWEN STREET. Otherhand
  • Score: -48

10:53am Wed 5 Mar 14

Bluelizzy says...

Otherhand wrote:
Didnt take long for the white Christians complaining about being second class citizens did it. Usuall pathetic complaining. Of course these bars need to be closed down they are illegal but there are legal shisha bars as well. WHAT ABOUT THE DRUNKEN VIOLENCE THAT PUBS AND CLUBS CAUSE AND USE UP MY TAX MONEY. DISGUSTING. I FEEL LIKE A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN ON A FRI SAT NIGHT AVOIDING ALL THE DRUNK CHRISTIANS ON DARWEN STREET.
No one is making you stay. If you don't like it you can leave. Please.
[quote][p][bold]Otherhand[/bold] wrote: Didnt take long for the white Christians complaining about being second class citizens did it. Usuall pathetic complaining. Of course these bars need to be closed down they are illegal but there are legal shisha bars as well. WHAT ABOUT THE DRUNKEN VIOLENCE THAT PUBS AND CLUBS CAUSE AND USE UP MY TAX MONEY. DISGUSTING. I FEEL LIKE A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN ON A FRI SAT NIGHT AVOIDING ALL THE DRUNK CHRISTIANS ON DARWEN STREET.[/p][/quote]No one is making you stay. If you don't like it you can leave. Please. Bluelizzy
  • Score: 30

10:56am Wed 5 Mar 14

Otherhand says...

I wonder where all the complainers where when someone is getting glassed in a pub do they complain then? No. When any Asian business breaks the law the white Christians jump on the cause to make it seem like they don't do any wrong. It's time the Asians started complaining about the Christian law breakers every fri sat night fighting, taking drugs and causing a nuisance to the general public around the same area. Yet they forget about all the crimes committed by their own community. Sort that out and the pedophiles in your churches before you start behaving all high and mighty.
I wonder where all the complainers where when someone is getting glassed in a pub do they complain then? No. When any Asian business breaks the law the white Christians jump on the cause to make it seem like they don't do any wrong. It's time the Asians started complaining about the Christian law breakers every fri sat night fighting, taking drugs and causing a nuisance to the general public around the same area. Yet they forget about all the crimes committed by their own community. Sort that out and the pedophiles in your churches before you start behaving all high and mighty. Otherhand
  • Score: -33

10:58am Wed 5 Mar 14

woolywords says...

Good grief, what is the Councils problem here?
If both Council and Police have concerns over these places, why don't they get their heads together and create a local byelaw to effectively end them?
It's not as if it cannot be done within a year, including the requirement to gain central government consent.
You already have enough powers to be a complete embuggerance to these places, by simply applying the current legislation, more creatively.
Have they applied for and gained, a change of use permission?
Do they comply with current legislation regarding the display of certain signs about the sales of tobacco?
Do Fire Officers consider that adequate provision is made in the event of a fire, for such things as emergency lighting, clear signage, proper types of fire exits and the fire fighting equipment?
If food is being served, do they come up to expectations on food hygiene standards and are the toilet facilities, adequate?
Have they kept the proper records of where and when duty was paid on the tobacco, as required by HM Revenue and Customs?
Has everyone got the legal rights to be in this country and working or are they claiming benefits?
Does the place pose a risk to Health and Safety, under requirements for it's employees, working in a smoke filled environ?
Am not a legal expert but those are just a few of the things that I can think of, so there must be many more, that didn't occur to me, I'm sure.
The Council has the rights already on the statute books, to make life a complete misery for anyone either running a place or simply being a patron, if they have the mind to do so. So, stop wringing your hands and moaning that you are powerless. Make the current laws work for you, until such time as a local byelaw can be enacted.
Oh, and by the way, you can issue fixed penalty notices to each person, for being in a place where the byelaw is being broken, just to encourage further patronage. Penalty rates can start at £500 and go up to £2500, according to Google search and which, the Council gets to keep every penny!
Why not have a meeting where, each agency pays an inspection visit, not all at once, but staged in such a way that, every 30 or 40 minutes, in any evening that they are operating, a different group arrives, to ensure compliance.
As long as you have the legal rights to act in this way, there is nothing anyone can do, short of complaining about harassment and threatening legal action. Their problem there is, that this will financially drain them, as you exercise your right to a jury, which is going to be composed of non-smokers. What jury is going to convict, if the argument contains the numbers of people found on the premises with convictions for drug use or selling, child sex offences and the like? Thus painting the place as such a den of iniquity, that any Roman orgy would appear a safer place to be.
Ask each department to come up with some regulation that they wish to ensure compliance upon, then arrange for a police presence, to ensure no obstruction and let battle commence.
Good grief, what is the Councils problem here? If both Council and Police have concerns over these places, why don't they get their heads together and create a local byelaw to effectively end them? It's not as if it cannot be done within a year, including the requirement to gain central government consent. You already have enough powers to be a complete embuggerance to these places, by simply applying the current legislation, more creatively. Have they applied for and gained, a change of use permission? Do they comply with current legislation regarding the display of certain signs about the sales of tobacco? Do Fire Officers consider that adequate provision is made in the event of a fire, for such things as emergency lighting, clear signage, proper types of fire exits and the fire fighting equipment? If food is being served, do they come up to expectations on food hygiene standards and are the toilet facilities, adequate? Have they kept the proper records of where and when duty was paid on the tobacco, as required by HM Revenue and Customs? Has everyone got the legal rights to be in this country and working or are they claiming benefits? Does the place pose a risk to Health and Safety, under requirements for it's employees, working in a smoke filled environ? Am not a legal expert but those are just a few of the things that I can think of, so there must be many more, that didn't occur to me, I'm sure. The Council has the rights already on the statute books, to make life a complete misery for anyone either running a place or simply being a patron, if they have the mind to do so. So, stop wringing your hands and moaning that you are powerless. Make the current laws work for you, until such time as a local byelaw can be enacted. Oh, and by the way, you can issue fixed penalty notices to each person, for being in a place where the byelaw is being broken, just to encourage further patronage. Penalty rates can start at £500 and go up to £2500, according to Google search and which, the Council gets to keep every penny! Why not have a meeting where, each agency pays an inspection visit, not all at once, but staged in such a way that, every 30 or 40 minutes, in any evening that they are operating, a different group arrives, to ensure compliance. As long as you have the legal rights to act in this way, there is nothing anyone can do, short of complaining about harassment and threatening legal action. Their problem there is, that this will financially drain them, as you exercise your right to a jury, which is going to be composed of non-smokers. What jury is going to convict, if the argument contains the numbers of people found on the premises with convictions for drug use or selling, child sex offences and the like? Thus painting the place as such a den of iniquity, that any Roman orgy would appear a safer place to be. Ask each department to come up with some regulation that they wish to ensure compliance upon, then arrange for a police presence, to ensure no obstruction and let battle commence. woolywords
  • Score: 12

11:03am Wed 5 Mar 14

Pintofbitter says...

In reply to OTHERHANDS comment, he may be surprised to learn that all Christians are NOT white. It must be better being a second class citizen for two nights a week than feeling a second class every day in Blackburn.
In reply to OTHERHANDS comment, he may be surprised to learn that all Christians are NOT white. It must be better being a second class citizen for two nights a week than feeling a second class every day in Blackburn. Pintofbitter
  • Score: 24

11:15am Wed 5 Mar 14

doylerf says...

Bluelizzy wrote:
Otherhand wrote:
Didnt take long for the white Christians complaining about being second class citizens did it. Usuall pathetic complaining. Of course these bars need to be closed down they are illegal but there are legal shisha bars as well. WHAT ABOUT THE DRUNKEN VIOLENCE THAT PUBS AND CLUBS CAUSE AND USE UP MY TAX MONEY. DISGUSTING. I FEEL LIKE A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN ON A FRI SAT NIGHT AVOIDING ALL THE DRUNK CHRISTIANS ON DARWEN STREET.
No one is making you stay. If you don't like it you can leave. Please.
I'd go one step further and say **** off!
[quote][p][bold]Bluelizzy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Otherhand[/bold] wrote: Didnt take long for the white Christians complaining about being second class citizens did it. Usuall pathetic complaining. Of course these bars need to be closed down they are illegal but there are legal shisha bars as well. WHAT ABOUT THE DRUNKEN VIOLENCE THAT PUBS AND CLUBS CAUSE AND USE UP MY TAX MONEY. DISGUSTING. I FEEL LIKE A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN ON A FRI SAT NIGHT AVOIDING ALL THE DRUNK CHRISTIANS ON DARWEN STREET.[/p][/quote]No one is making you stay. If you don't like it you can leave. Please.[/p][/quote]I'd go one step further and say **** off! doylerf
  • Score: 22

11:27am Wed 5 Mar 14

elmo maniac says...

I thought smoking on work premises is illegal. So these shisha bars are illegal shut them down and have done with it... council are too soft
I thought smoking on work premises is illegal. So these shisha bars are illegal shut them down and have done with it... council are too soft elmo maniac
  • Score: 18

11:35am Wed 5 Mar 14

shirtbox says...

How can something illegal be licensed.Come on Clown Hall get real this is England not downtown Kirachi, or does the Benefit Cheating Mayor have some interest in these illegal drug,smoking grooming establishments.As for the police asking for info,well that says it all doe,snt it. What has this country descended into.?
How can something illegal be licensed.Come on Clown Hall get real this is England not downtown Kirachi, or does the Benefit Cheating Mayor have some interest in these illegal drug,smoking grooming establishments.As for the police asking for info,well that says it all doe,snt it. What has this country descended into.? shirtbox
  • Score: 26

12:15pm Wed 5 Mar 14

thoroughbred says...

how can the police raid these dens of filth if they're behind locked doors and protected with CCTV?
and...if they're public cafes, just why are they locked?
how can the police raid these dens of filth if they're behind locked doors and protected with CCTV? and...if they're public cafes, just why are they locked? thoroughbred
  • Score: 18

12:55pm Wed 5 Mar 14

grimupnorth says...

Otherhand wrote:
Didnt take long for the white Christians complaining about being second class citizens did it. Usuall pathetic complaining. Of course these bars need to be closed down they are illegal but there are legal shisha bars as well. WHAT ABOUT THE DRUNKEN VIOLENCE THAT PUBS AND CLUBS CAUSE AND USE UP MY TAX MONEY. DISGUSTING. I FEEL LIKE A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN ON A FRI SAT NIGHT AVOIDING ALL THE DRUNK CHRISTIANS ON DARWEN STREET.
Might surprise you to see how many Asians frequent the pubs around the Barbary coast these days, and how many of them are involved in drunken violence . I have first hand experience . But as previously stated ,. How do you know the white people are Christians. I am anglo saxon white and I am not!!!! Don`t tar us all with your big racist brush.
[quote][p][bold]Otherhand[/bold] wrote: Didnt take long for the white Christians complaining about being second class citizens did it. Usuall pathetic complaining. Of course these bars need to be closed down they are illegal but there are legal shisha bars as well. WHAT ABOUT THE DRUNKEN VIOLENCE THAT PUBS AND CLUBS CAUSE AND USE UP MY TAX MONEY. DISGUSTING. I FEEL LIKE A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN ON A FRI SAT NIGHT AVOIDING ALL THE DRUNK CHRISTIANS ON DARWEN STREET.[/p][/quote]Might surprise you to see how many Asians frequent the pubs around the Barbary coast these days, and how many of them are involved in drunken violence . I have first hand experience . But as previously stated ,. How do you know the white people are Christians. I am anglo saxon white and I am not!!!! Don`t tar us all with your big racist brush. grimupnorth
  • Score: 19

1:40pm Wed 5 Mar 14

shytalk says...

So all cafes and pubs need to do is to declare themselves to be a shisha bar, and then smoking on the premisses becomes perfectly legal provided you have a license.
So all cafes and pubs need to do is to declare themselves to be a shisha bar, and then smoking on the premisses becomes perfectly legal provided you have a license. shytalk
  • Score: 5

1:55pm Wed 5 Mar 14

CeeBee85 says...

Otherhand wrote:
Didnt take long for the white Christians complaining about being second class citizens did it. Usuall pathetic complaining. Of course these bars need to be closed down they are illegal but there are legal shisha bars as well. WHAT ABOUT THE DRUNKEN VIOLENCE THAT PUBS AND CLUBS CAUSE AND USE UP MY TAX MONEY. DISGUSTING. I FEEL LIKE A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN ON A FRI SAT NIGHT AVOIDING ALL THE DRUNK CHRISTIANS ON DARWEN STREET.
There you go again with your racist rants. What about all the violence caused by Islamic terrorists and the cost of that to the tax payer? Stop your moaning and going on about "white Christians" you racist bigot.
[quote][p][bold]Otherhand[/bold] wrote: Didnt take long for the white Christians complaining about being second class citizens did it. Usuall pathetic complaining. Of course these bars need to be closed down they are illegal but there are legal shisha bars as well. WHAT ABOUT THE DRUNKEN VIOLENCE THAT PUBS AND CLUBS CAUSE AND USE UP MY TAX MONEY. DISGUSTING. I FEEL LIKE A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN ON A FRI SAT NIGHT AVOIDING ALL THE DRUNK CHRISTIANS ON DARWEN STREET.[/p][/quote]There you go again with your racist rants. What about all the violence caused by Islamic terrorists and the cost of that to the tax payer? Stop your moaning and going on about "white Christians" you racist bigot. CeeBee85
  • Score: 11

1:58pm Wed 5 Mar 14

CeeBee85 says...

Otherhand wrote:
I wonder where all the complainers where when someone is getting glassed in a pub do they complain then? No. When any Asian business breaks the law the white Christians jump on the cause to make it seem like they don't do any wrong. It's time the Asians started complaining about the Christian law breakers every fri sat night fighting, taking drugs and causing a nuisance to the general public around the same area. Yet they forget about all the crimes committed by their own community. Sort that out and the pedophiles in your churches before you start behaving all high and mighty.
Quite right we should sort the peadophiles in the churches- as you should sort out all your sex gang members targeting young white girls. And not all white people are Christians you bafoon.
[quote][p][bold]Otherhand[/bold] wrote: I wonder where all the complainers where when someone is getting glassed in a pub do they complain then? No. When any Asian business breaks the law the white Christians jump on the cause to make it seem like they don't do any wrong. It's time the Asians started complaining about the Christian law breakers every fri sat night fighting, taking drugs and causing a nuisance to the general public around the same area. Yet they forget about all the crimes committed by their own community. Sort that out and the pedophiles in your churches before you start behaving all high and mighty.[/p][/quote]Quite right we should sort the peadophiles in the churches- as you should sort out all your sex gang members targeting young white girls. And not all white people are Christians you bafoon. CeeBee85
  • Score: 13

2:40pm Wed 5 Mar 14

louderfasterlonger says...

Markr wrote:
Looks like they are again trying to change the law to accommodate a certain part of our population, this is blatent racism against the people of this country.
And people wonder why there are racial tensions in the UK, just look at the laws that councils and government are trying to implement.
Not two years ago, Blackburn was named Shisha Capital of the North West with 17 establishments. Today, with multi-agency co-operation there are 8 known. A success story somehow lost on our local newspaper. Entry into the premises for the purpose of prosecution is extremely difficult. By issuing licenses, the authorities can demand entry to inspect the premises and close them down without evidence that smoking legislation is being flouted if the owners don't comply.
If an owner doesn't license the premises, the authority can use warrants to enter premises and close it down because it isn't licensed.
Nothing racial, nothing sinister... just another tool to be used by the council, the H & S Executive, Trading Stadards, HMRC, and Police authority in continuing its battle against illegal and very damaging business activities.
[quote][p][bold]Markr[/bold] wrote: Looks like they are again trying to change the law to accommodate a certain part of our population, this is blatent racism against the people of this country. And people wonder why there are racial tensions in the UK, just look at the laws that councils and government are trying to implement.[/p][/quote]Not two years ago, Blackburn was named Shisha Capital of the North West with 17 establishments. Today, with multi-agency co-operation there are 8 known. A success story somehow lost on our local newspaper. Entry into the premises for the purpose of prosecution is extremely difficult. By issuing licenses, the authorities can demand entry to inspect the premises and close them down without evidence that smoking legislation is being flouted if the owners don't comply. If an owner doesn't license the premises, the authority can use warrants to enter premises and close it down because it isn't licensed. Nothing racial, nothing sinister... just another tool to be used by the council, the H & S Executive, Trading Stadards, HMRC, and Police authority in continuing its battle against illegal and very damaging business activities. louderfasterlonger
  • Score: 8

2:51pm Wed 5 Mar 14

campbell69s says...

louderfasterlonger wrote:
Markr wrote:
Looks like they are again trying to change the law to accommodate a certain part of our population, this is blatent racism against the people of this country.
And people wonder why there are racial tensions in the UK, just look at the laws that councils and government are trying to implement.
Not two years ago, Blackburn was named Shisha Capital of the North West with 17 establishments. Today, with multi-agency co-operation there are 8 known. A success story somehow lost on our local newspaper. Entry into the premises for the purpose of prosecution is extremely difficult. By issuing licenses, the authorities can demand entry to inspect the premises and close them down without evidence that smoking legislation is being flouted if the owners don't comply.
If an owner doesn't license the premises, the authority can use warrants to enter premises and close it down because it isn't licensed.
Nothing racial, nothing sinister... just another tool to be used by the council, the H & S Executive, Trading Stadards, HMRC, and Police authority in continuing its battle against illegal and very damaging business activities.
You don't belong on here, you're speaking sense.
Leave now and take your rational explanations with you!
[quote][p][bold]louderfasterlonger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Markr[/bold] wrote: Looks like they are again trying to change the law to accommodate a certain part of our population, this is blatent racism against the people of this country. And people wonder why there are racial tensions in the UK, just look at the laws that councils and government are trying to implement.[/p][/quote]Not two years ago, Blackburn was named Shisha Capital of the North West with 17 establishments. Today, with multi-agency co-operation there are 8 known. A success story somehow lost on our local newspaper. Entry into the premises for the purpose of prosecution is extremely difficult. By issuing licenses, the authorities can demand entry to inspect the premises and close them down without evidence that smoking legislation is being flouted if the owners don't comply. If an owner doesn't license the premises, the authority can use warrants to enter premises and close it down because it isn't licensed. Nothing racial, nothing sinister... just another tool to be used by the council, the H & S Executive, Trading Stadards, HMRC, and Police authority in continuing its battle against illegal and very damaging business activities.[/p][/quote]You don't belong on here, you're speaking sense. Leave now and take your rational explanations with you! campbell69s
  • Score: 9

3:27pm Wed 5 Mar 14

louderfasterlonger says...

campbell69s wrote:
louderfasterlonger wrote:
Markr wrote:
Looks like they are again trying to change the law to accommodate a certain part of our population, this is blatent racism against the people of this country.
And people wonder why there are racial tensions in the UK, just look at the laws that councils and government are trying to implement.
Not two years ago, Blackburn was named Shisha Capital of the North West with 17 establishments. Today, with multi-agency co-operation there are 8 known. A success story somehow lost on our local newspaper. Entry into the premises for the purpose of prosecution is extremely difficult. By issuing licenses, the authorities can demand entry to inspect the premises and close them down without evidence that smoking legislation is being flouted if the owners don't comply.
If an owner doesn't license the premises, the authority can use warrants to enter premises and close it down because it isn't licensed.
Nothing racial, nothing sinister... just another tool to be used by the council, the H & S Executive, Trading Stadards, HMRC, and Police authority in continuing its battle against illegal and very damaging business activities.
You don't belong on here, you're speaking sense.
Leave now and take your rational explanations with you!
lol... the LT loves to open the debates, imagine the lack of response on this forum if they'd done a bit of homework and published a journalist's investigation and not merely a report.
[quote][p][bold]campbell69s[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]louderfasterlonger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Markr[/bold] wrote: Looks like they are again trying to change the law to accommodate a certain part of our population, this is blatent racism against the people of this country. And people wonder why there are racial tensions in the UK, just look at the laws that councils and government are trying to implement.[/p][/quote]Not two years ago, Blackburn was named Shisha Capital of the North West with 17 establishments. Today, with multi-agency co-operation there are 8 known. A success story somehow lost on our local newspaper. Entry into the premises for the purpose of prosecution is extremely difficult. By issuing licenses, the authorities can demand entry to inspect the premises and close them down without evidence that smoking legislation is being flouted if the owners don't comply. If an owner doesn't license the premises, the authority can use warrants to enter premises and close it down because it isn't licensed. Nothing racial, nothing sinister... just another tool to be used by the council, the H & S Executive, Trading Stadards, HMRC, and Police authority in continuing its battle against illegal and very damaging business activities.[/p][/quote]You don't belong on here, you're speaking sense. Leave now and take your rational explanations with you![/p][/quote]lol... the LT loves to open the debates, imagine the lack of response on this forum if they'd done a bit of homework and published a journalist's investigation and not merely a report. louderfasterlonger
  • Score: 6

5:33pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Mikeee47 says...

is it we are too afraid just to say no?
They all claim to be British yet come the religious days and they fly their true colours
There is on flag and one flag only to be flown in this nation,THE NATIONAL FLAG. keep you little green ones in the cupboard or fly them in their respected country.
is it we are too afraid just to say no? They all claim to be British yet come the religious days and they fly their true colours There is on flag and one flag only to be flown in this nation,THE NATIONAL FLAG. keep you little green ones in the cupboard or fly them in their respected country. Mikeee47
  • Score: 5

5:53pm Wed 5 Mar 14

DoggydogNo1 says...

Otherhand wrote:
I wonder where all the complainers where when someone is getting glassed in a pub do they complain then? No. When any Asian business breaks the law the white Christians jump on the cause to make it seem like they don't do any wrong. It's time the Asians started complaining about the Christian law breakers every fri sat night fighting, taking drugs and causing a nuisance to the general public around the same area. Yet they forget about all the crimes committed by their own community. Sort that out and the pedophiles in your churches before you start behaving all high and mighty.
RACIST through and through!
[quote][p][bold]Otherhand[/bold] wrote: I wonder where all the complainers where when someone is getting glassed in a pub do they complain then? No. When any Asian business breaks the law the white Christians jump on the cause to make it seem like they don't do any wrong. It's time the Asians started complaining about the Christian law breakers every fri sat night fighting, taking drugs and causing a nuisance to the general public around the same area. Yet they forget about all the crimes committed by their own community. Sort that out and the pedophiles in your churches before you start behaving all high and mighty.[/p][/quote]RACIST through and through! DoggydogNo1
  • Score: 2

6:29pm Wed 5 Mar 14

handymanphil says...

Excluded again wrote:
Markr wrote:
Looks like they are again trying to change the law to accommodate a certain part of our population, this is blatent racism against the people of this country.
And people wonder why there are racial tensions in the UK, just look at the laws that councils and government are trying to implement.
No the Council are asking for a change in the law so that Shisha Bars are licensed much like pubs. The Council are asking for a loophole in the law to be closed.

The Council can raid them, confiscate Shisha pipes and even shut premises down but because they are not licensed, who do you prosecute? So the people responsible can just open another Shisha bar having suffered no penalties.

Get the premises licensed, there is a name on the license and, if they are found to be breaking the law, then the Council knows exactly who to prosecute.
Shisha cafes are nothing like pubs-they don't sell beers & other alcohol - end of conversation! Mind you, I'll grant you that they might have mnore customers than most of our ruined boozers these days!
[quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Markr[/bold] wrote: Looks like they are again trying to change the law to accommodate a certain part of our population, this is blatent racism against the people of this country. And people wonder why there are racial tensions in the UK, just look at the laws that councils and government are trying to implement.[/p][/quote]No the Council are asking for a change in the law so that Shisha Bars are licensed much like pubs. The Council are asking for a loophole in the law to be closed. The Council can raid them, confiscate Shisha pipes and even shut premises down but because they are not licensed, who do you prosecute? So the people responsible can just open another Shisha bar having suffered no penalties. Get the premises licensed, there is a name on the license and, if they are found to be breaking the law, then the Council knows exactly who to prosecute.[/p][/quote]Shisha cafes are nothing like pubs-they don't sell beers & other alcohol - end of conversation! Mind you, I'll grant you that they might have mnore customers than most of our ruined boozers these days! handymanphil
  • Score: -7

6:59pm Wed 5 Mar 14

Saj143 says...

AnthonyUK wrote:
These places should never be licenced there is NO room for asian/muslim traditions in the UK spreading here and being here full stop.
Guess what.......
[quote][p][bold]AnthonyUK[/bold] wrote: These places should never be licenced there is NO room for asian/muslim traditions in the UK spreading here and being here full stop.[/p][/quote]Guess what....... Saj143
  • Score: -4

7:39pm Wed 5 Mar 14

phil kernot says...

What other place would get away with 13 year old behind closed doors if a pub landlord had kids drinking behind closed doors what would you think I'd think he's a jimmy savile case ,,
What other place would get away with 13 year old behind closed doors if a pub landlord had kids drinking behind closed doors what would you think I'd think he's a jimmy savile case ,, phil kernot
  • Score: 5

7:53pm Wed 5 Mar 14

sen c b l says...

Excluded again wrote:
Markr wrote:
Looks like they are again trying to change the law to accommodate a certain part of our population, this is blatent racism against the people of this country.
And people wonder why there are racial tensions in the UK, just look at the laws that councils and government are trying to implement.
No the Council are asking for a change in the law so that Shisha Bars are licensed much like pubs. The Council are asking for a loophole in the law to be closed.

The Council can raid them, confiscate Shisha pipes and even shut premises down but because they are not licensed, who do you prosecute? So the people responsible can just open another Shisha bar having suffered no penalties.

Get the premises licensed, there is a name on the license and, if they are found to be breaking the law, then the Council knows exactly who to prosecute.
You seem to know a lot about rules and laws concerning shisha bars. Tell me Excluded where are the product available from and what is in the ingredient/ product?
[quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Markr[/bold] wrote: Looks like they are again trying to change the law to accommodate a certain part of our population, this is blatent racism against the people of this country. And people wonder why there are racial tensions in the UK, just look at the laws that councils and government are trying to implement.[/p][/quote]No the Council are asking for a change in the law so that Shisha Bars are licensed much like pubs. The Council are asking for a loophole in the law to be closed. The Council can raid them, confiscate Shisha pipes and even shut premises down but because they are not licensed, who do you prosecute? So the people responsible can just open another Shisha bar having suffered no penalties. Get the premises licensed, there is a name on the license and, if they are found to be breaking the law, then the Council knows exactly who to prosecute.[/p][/quote]You seem to know a lot about rules and laws concerning shisha bars. Tell me Excluded where are the product available from and what is in the ingredient/ product? sen c b l
  • Score: -2

7:56pm Wed 5 Mar 14

crankitup says...

this is pathetic.....pubs loosing money and having to close due to the smoking ban and yet the racist police and council let these 'so called cafe's' get away scott free..blatant racism....one rule for certain cultures and one for the others....NO SMOKING IN PUBLIC BUILDINGS MEANS NO SMOKING IN PUBLIC BUILDINGS YOU MORONS!......GET IT SORTED
this is pathetic.....pubs loosing money and having to close due to the smoking ban and yet the racist police and council let these 'so called cafe's' get away scott free..blatant racism....one rule for certain cultures and one for the others....NO SMOKING IN PUBLIC BUILDINGS MEANS NO SMOKING IN PUBLIC BUILDINGS YOU MORONS!......GET IT SORTED crankitup
  • Score: 8

8:49pm Wed 5 Mar 14

George Khan says...

Salaam putters, I think I'm going to add a sheesha bar to my chippy
Makes sense, having a nice puff after a maslala fish and chips
Helps digestion, settles the tummy and helps the brain to think impartially
So that a reasoned individual can deal with putters who are sh1ts
Like crank it up and the bigot Anthony uk
Salaam putters, I think I'm going to add a sheesha bar to my chippy Makes sense, having a nice puff after a maslala fish and chips Helps digestion, settles the tummy and helps the brain to think impartially So that a reasoned individual can deal with putters who are sh1ts Like crank it up and the bigot Anthony uk George Khan
  • Score: 0

10:33pm Wed 5 Mar 14

AnthonyUK says...

George Khan wrote:
Salaam putters, I think I'm going to add a sheesha bar to my chippy
Makes sense, having a nice puff after a maslala fish and chips
Helps digestion, settles the tummy and helps the brain to think impartially
So that a reasoned individual can deal with putters who are sh1ts
Like crank it up and the bigot Anthony uk
wouldnt be allowed and youd be shut down sooner than you think for allowing smoking indoors especially where food is served;you and kind think you can do whatever you like and ignore the laws of the unitedkingdom in favour of sharia law, well sharialaw doesnt count in the unitedkingdom uk law does and the sooner you ALL realise that THE BETTER.
[quote][p][bold]George Khan[/bold] wrote: Salaam putters, I think I'm going to add a sheesha bar to my chippy Makes sense, having a nice puff after a maslala fish and chips Helps digestion, settles the tummy and helps the brain to think impartially So that a reasoned individual can deal with putters who are sh1ts Like crank it up and the bigot Anthony uk[/p][/quote]wouldnt be allowed and youd be shut down sooner than you think for allowing smoking indoors especially where food is served;you and kind think you can do whatever you like and ignore the laws of the unitedkingdom in favour of sharia law, well sharialaw doesnt count in the unitedkingdom uk law does and the sooner you ALL realise that THE BETTER. AnthonyUK
  • Score: 2

10:44pm Wed 5 Mar 14

AnthonyUK says...

Markr wrote:
Looks like they are again trying to change the law to accommodate a certain part of our population, this is blatent racism against the people of this country.
And people wonder why there are racial tensions in the UK, just look at the laws that councils and government are trying to implement.
what you say is very true word for word.
[quote][p][bold]Markr[/bold] wrote: Looks like they are again trying to change the law to accommodate a certain part of our population, this is blatent racism against the people of this country. And people wonder why there are racial tensions in the UK, just look at the laws that councils and government are trying to implement.[/p][/quote]what you say is very true word for word. AnthonyUK
  • Score: 2

11:08pm Wed 5 Mar 14

AnthonyUK says...

If UK law doesnt allow smoking in pubs clubs and bars then these places shouldnt be allowed to fall foul either and the owners should face prison on top of ANY fine issued for breaking the laws that apply to THIS COUNTRY stuff the cries of racism stuff the cries of human rights stuff the excuse I didnt know the laws etc. No wonder this country is a laughing stock when our ethnic cousins are treated with kidgloves for fear of offence when they illegally set up and operate shisha bars who let underage kids puff on shisha when they arent old enough to do and let them smoke indoors when the owners **** well know that its ILLEGAL
If UK law doesnt allow smoking in pubs clubs and bars then these places shouldnt be allowed to fall foul either and the owners should face prison on top of ANY fine issued for breaking the laws that apply to THIS COUNTRY stuff the cries of racism stuff the cries of human rights stuff the excuse I didnt know the laws etc. No wonder this country is a laughing stock when our ethnic cousins are treated with kidgloves for fear of offence when they illegally set up and operate shisha bars who let underage kids puff on shisha when they arent old enough to do and let them smoke indoors when the owners **** well know that its ILLEGAL AnthonyUK
  • Score: 2

11:36pm Wed 5 Mar 14

A Game of Blue & White Halves says...

CeeBee85 wrote:
Otherhand wrote:
I wonder where all the complainers where when someone is getting glassed in a pub do they complain then? No. When any Asian business breaks the law the white Christians jump on the cause to make it seem like they don't do any wrong. It's time the Asians started complaining about the Christian law breakers every fri sat night fighting, taking drugs and causing a nuisance to the general public around the same area. Yet they forget about all the crimes committed by their own community. Sort that out and the pedophiles in your churches before you start behaving all high and mighty.
Quite right we should sort the peadophiles in the churches- as you should sort out all your sex gang members targeting young white girls. And not all white people are Christians you bafoon.
Equally, not all Muslims are paedophiles!


It's almost funny that Britain First, in their quest to tackle - the admittedly, deplorable act of grooming young, impressionable, Caucasian girls - visit mosques to clamp down on this atrocious act.

It's like going to a pub to combat paedophilic activity carried out by the clergy!!! - surely the place to visit ought to be these widely disliked, Shisha Bars.

One would be forgiven for reaching the conclusion that those in the BF hierarchy must have been dropped on their heads as babies!!!

After all, they have the right intentions, but employ the wrong approach!
[quote][p][bold]CeeBee85[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Otherhand[/bold] wrote: I wonder where all the complainers where when someone is getting glassed in a pub do they complain then? No. When any Asian business breaks the law the white Christians jump on the cause to make it seem like they don't do any wrong. It's time the Asians started complaining about the Christian law breakers every fri sat night fighting, taking drugs and causing a nuisance to the general public around the same area. Yet they forget about all the crimes committed by their own community. Sort that out and the pedophiles in your churches before you start behaving all high and mighty.[/p][/quote]Quite right we should sort the peadophiles in the churches- as you should sort out all your sex gang members targeting young white girls. And not all white people are Christians you bafoon.[/p][/quote]Equally, not all Muslims are paedophiles! It's almost funny that Britain First, in their quest to tackle - the admittedly, deplorable act of grooming young, impressionable, Caucasian girls - visit mosques to clamp down on this atrocious act. It's like going to a pub to combat paedophilic activity carried out by the clergy!!! - surely the place to visit ought to be these widely disliked, Shisha Bars. One would be forgiven for reaching the conclusion that those in the BF hierarchy must have been dropped on their heads as babies!!! After all, they have the right intentions, but employ the wrong approach! A Game of Blue & White Halves
  • Score: 4

2:19am Thu 6 Mar 14

Stone Island: says...

Otherhand wrote:
Didnt take long for the white Christians complaining about being second class citizens did it. Usuall pathetic complaining. Of course these bars need to be closed down they are illegal but there are legal shisha bars as well. WHAT ABOUT THE DRUNKEN VIOLENCE THAT PUBS AND CLUBS CAUSE AND USE UP MY TAX MONEY. DISGUSTING. I FEEL LIKE A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN ON A FRI SAT NIGHT AVOIDING ALL THE DRUNK CHRISTIANS ON DARWEN STREET.
As a licensee, may I recommend a good Port? Dover!
[quote][p][bold]Otherhand[/bold] wrote: Didnt take long for the white Christians complaining about being second class citizens did it. Usuall pathetic complaining. Of course these bars need to be closed down they are illegal but there are legal shisha bars as well. WHAT ABOUT THE DRUNKEN VIOLENCE THAT PUBS AND CLUBS CAUSE AND USE UP MY TAX MONEY. DISGUSTING. I FEEL LIKE A SECOND CLASS CITIZEN ON A FRI SAT NIGHT AVOIDING ALL THE DRUNK CHRISTIANS ON DARWEN STREET.[/p][/quote]As a licensee, may I recommend a good Port? Dover! Stone Island:
  • Score: 2

7:46am Thu 6 Mar 14

Excluded again says...

sen c b l wrote:
Excluded again wrote:
Markr wrote:
Looks like they are again trying to change the law to accommodate a certain part of our population, this is blatent racism against the people of this country.
And people wonder why there are racial tensions in the UK, just look at the laws that councils and government are trying to implement.
No the Council are asking for a change in the law so that Shisha Bars are licensed much like pubs. The Council are asking for a loophole in the law to be closed.

The Council can raid them, confiscate Shisha pipes and even shut premises down but because they are not licensed, who do you prosecute? So the people responsible can just open another Shisha bar having suffered no penalties.

Get the premises licensed, there is a name on the license and, if they are found to be breaking the law, then the Council knows exactly who to prosecute.
You seem to know a lot about rules and laws concerning shisha bars. Tell me Excluded where are the product available from and what is in the ingredient/ product?
I don't know anything about Shisha bars. I know about how licensing premises works.

You have rules in the license which set out what you can or can't do. And a named person or persons on the license who is responsible. If the licensed premises is raided and the law is not complied with, the licensee can be prosecuted.

No pass the parcel of responsibility, no wriggling out of it because everyone denies involvement - the Council or the Police know exactly who to prosecute.
[quote][p][bold]sen c b l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Markr[/bold] wrote: Looks like they are again trying to change the law to accommodate a certain part of our population, this is blatent racism against the people of this country. And people wonder why there are racial tensions in the UK, just look at the laws that councils and government are trying to implement.[/p][/quote]No the Council are asking for a change in the law so that Shisha Bars are licensed much like pubs. The Council are asking for a loophole in the law to be closed. The Council can raid them, confiscate Shisha pipes and even shut premises down but because they are not licensed, who do you prosecute? So the people responsible can just open another Shisha bar having suffered no penalties. Get the premises licensed, there is a name on the license and, if they are found to be breaking the law, then the Council knows exactly who to prosecute.[/p][/quote]You seem to know a lot about rules and laws concerning shisha bars. Tell me Excluded where are the product available from and what is in the ingredient/ product?[/p][/quote]I don't know anything about Shisha bars. I know about how licensing premises works. You have rules in the license which set out what you can or can't do. And a named person or persons on the license who is responsible. If the licensed premises is raided and the law is not complied with, the licensee can be prosecuted. No pass the parcel of responsibility, no wriggling out of it because everyone denies involvement - the Council or the Police know exactly who to prosecute. Excluded again
  • Score: 4

1:07pm Thu 6 Mar 14

sen c b l says...

Excluded again wrote:
sen c b l wrote:
Excluded again wrote:
Markr wrote:
Looks like they are again trying to change the law to accommodate a certain part of our population, this is blatent racism against the people of this country.
And people wonder why there are racial tensions in the UK, just look at the laws that councils and government are trying to implement.
No the Council are asking for a change in the law so that Shisha Bars are licensed much like pubs. The Council are asking for a loophole in the law to be closed.

The Council can raid them, confiscate Shisha pipes and even shut premises down but because they are not licensed, who do you prosecute? So the people responsible can just open another Shisha bar having suffered no penalties.

Get the premises licensed, there is a name on the license and, if they are found to be breaking the law, then the Council knows exactly who to prosecute.
You seem to know a lot about rules and laws concerning shisha bars. Tell me Excluded where are the product available from and what is in the ingredient/ product?
I don't know anything about Shisha bars. I know about how licensing premises works.

You have rules in the license which set out what you can or can't do. And a named person or persons on the license who is responsible. If the licensed premises is raided and the law is not complied with, the licensee can be prosecuted.

No pass the parcel of responsibility, no wriggling out of it because everyone denies involvement - the Council or the Police know exactly who to prosecute.
Fair enough but what about the product and where is it obtained from?
Just over the counter is it???
[quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sen c b l[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Excluded again[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Markr[/bold] wrote: Looks like they are again trying to change the law to accommodate a certain part of our population, this is blatent racism against the people of this country. And people wonder why there are racial tensions in the UK, just look at the laws that councils and government are trying to implement.[/p][/quote]No the Council are asking for a change in the law so that Shisha Bars are licensed much like pubs. The Council are asking for a loophole in the law to be closed. The Council can raid them, confiscate Shisha pipes and even shut premises down but because they are not licensed, who do you prosecute? So the people responsible can just open another Shisha bar having suffered no penalties. Get the premises licensed, there is a name on the license and, if they are found to be breaking the law, then the Council knows exactly who to prosecute.[/p][/quote]You seem to know a lot about rules and laws concerning shisha bars. Tell me Excluded where are the product available from and what is in the ingredient/ product?[/p][/quote]I don't know anything about Shisha bars. I know about how licensing premises works. You have rules in the license which set out what you can or can't do. And a named person or persons on the license who is responsible. If the licensed premises is raided and the law is not complied with, the licensee can be prosecuted. No pass the parcel of responsibility, no wriggling out of it because everyone denies involvement - the Council or the Police know exactly who to prosecute.[/p][/quote]Fair enough but what about the product and where is it obtained from? Just over the counter is it??? sen c b l
  • Score: 0

10:39pm Thu 6 Mar 14

kessuki says...

What's so great about smoking shisha.? I dont get the hype. The shisha cafes themselves are full of slags and pervs and are uncomfortable and sleazy looking. If you want to smoke shisha buy your own pipe and do it at home.
What's so great about smoking shisha.? I dont get the hype. The shisha cafes themselves are full of slags and pervs and are uncomfortable and sleazy looking. If you want to smoke shisha buy your own pipe and do it at home. kessuki
  • Score: 2

10:15am Sat 8 Mar 14

garydavies2304 says...

Pintofbitter wrote:
In reply to OTHERHANDS comment, he may be surprised to learn that all Christians are NOT white. It must be better being a second class citizen for two nights a week than feeling a second class every day in Blackburn.
well said
[quote][p][bold]Pintofbitter[/bold] wrote: In reply to OTHERHANDS comment, he may be surprised to learn that all Christians are NOT white. It must be better being a second class citizen for two nights a week than feeling a second class every day in Blackburn.[/p][/quote]well said garydavies2304
  • Score: 0

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