Major plans to make Bolton town centre more 'family friendly'

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BOLTON town centre's reputation of being a drinkers' playground could become a thing of the past under new plans.

It is proposed to make the centre more attractive for families to visit.

Measures will include:

  • Minimum alcohol prices
  • A dress code to enter bars
  • Taxi marshals
  • Temporary road closures

The changes were announced after licensees, door staff, taxi firms, CCTV operators, Bolton Street Angels, police and Bolton Council joined forces to come up with ways to attract more families and older people to the town centre in the evenings.

The group says there is still a place for revellers but want the town centre to appeal to all ages.

Steve Hoyle, vice-chairman of the group, and owner of Down Town in Bradshawgate, said: “We on Bradshawgate, Churchgate and Deansgate want to be noticed again. We seem to have been left alone.

“A lot of the bar owners have competed against each other in the past but the competition isn’t there now. We want to get it back and change Bolton for the better.”

The partnership hopes in the future to be in the running for the prestigious Purple Flag status, which recognises excellence in the management of town and city centres at night.

Its work will involve members committing to a number of improvements to help revamp the town during evenings, particularly at weekends.

There will also be an agreed code of conduct. Members will update each other at regular meetings.

This weekend will see minimum prices introduced where each drink must cost a minimum of 75p per unit— shots containing a small amount of alcohol are not included.

Taxi marshals have been introduced to ensure people are brought in and taken away from the town safely on a Wednesdays, Fridays and Saturdays — the town’s busiest nights.

Bolton Council will be piloting road closures during the evening in Nelson Square in the coming months.

Music events, comedy nights, and activities around the World Cup are planned.

Events will also take place to build on the success of Ironman and the Food and Drink Festival.

Asif Vali, chairman the partnership and Bolton Taxi Company Association, said he is confident the town centre will see huge improvements.

He added: “We want the town to be a vibrant place. We want people to come into town early and go home safely. There are great outlets outside of the town centre but Bolton is a hub, let’s make it a great place. There’s an amazing amount of stuff that happens in Bolton town centre.

“We want to make Bolton a safer, more attractive place to come in the evenings for a wide variety of residents including young people, older people and families. We hope that by each partner in the group committing to take action to encourage safe and responsible drinking, as well as the introduction of new events and activities, that Bolton town centre will offer something for everyone in the evenings.”

Some town centre bars will serve food during the day up until about 8pm.

Adrienne Tonge, from Bolton Street Angels, said working together as a team will be a benefit as the group of volunteers can work with door staff to ensure women can get home safely. She said Bolton Street Angels would also benefit from advice from door staff on how to deal with conflict.

Supt Mark Bell, for Bolton police, said: “My first experience of Bolton when I came to work here last year was how passionate people are about this place.

“I am sure the work will change crime levels. I think introducing the dress code will get rid of the bad element, challenge 25 for people who look under 25 will mean people have to bring identification with them and an element won’t want to be identified.”

Tony Lloyd, police and crime commissioner for Greater Manchester, said: “I talk about partnership working a lot, but what I really like is to see it in action. This is exactly what’s taken place in Bolton with this groundbreaking new project.

“We all have a part to play in ensuring the success of Bolton’s night-time economy, from public bodies like the police and council to the licensees and taxi firms whose livelihoods depend on the town being an attractive place to visit.

“Too often when talking about the night-time economy it develops into an “us and them” situation, when the reality is that we all have a stake in ensuring our town and city centres are vibrant, exciting and welcoming. This is real innovation, and Bolton is leading the way.”

Cllr Derek Burrows, cabinet member for community safety and police, added: “We hope that all these partners working together, with the support of the police and council, will offer something new that encourages all types of people to come into the town centre in the evenings.”

The plans are the latest in a number of schemes announced which will breathe new life into the town centre.

Yesterday The Bolton News revealed images of the planned transformation of the historic vaulted basement in the Market Place shopping centre.

Owners of the complex Moorgarth have applied to transform the Victorian vaults on the bottom floor of the centre into restaurants, bars and shops.

It ties in with plans to create a nine-screen £15 million cinema in the Market Place.

What the action group plans for the town centre

Many of the changes have already been introduced but will include:

  •  Pubs and clubs have vowed to enforce last entry 30 minutes before closure, staff to wear uniforms, enforce an appropriate dress code, banning tracksuits and hoodies and request identification from drinkers who look under aged 25.
  • Irresponsible drink promotions will be banned and alcoholic drinks will have a minimum price of 75p per unit.
  • Free drinking water will be provided at all times
  • A tough stance will be taken against drunken people.
  • Taxi marshals have been introduced to arrange safe escort home for vulnerable people and to ensure people leave the town safely.
  • Marshals will stop illegal picking up of fares, illegal parking and with link all major taxi firms with the radio used by pubs, clubs and door supervisors.
  • Bolton Council will be installing improved lighting, improved CCTV and introducing temporary road closures in Nelson Square and support events in the town.
  • Police will continue with enforcement and will identify issues at monthly meetings and deploy extra staff for events.

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10:29am Tue 4 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

Ha ha ha. What happened to the last idea with a poetry in pubs and the other rubbish spouted. Bolton town center is soon to be a student city no go area for familys ( look at Oxford st Manchester) & as for wearing dress code today they are living in a dream world people will go elsewhere. Al talk no substance as usual..
Ha ha ha. What happened to the last idea with a poetry in pubs and the other rubbish spouted. Bolton town center is soon to be a student city no go area for familys ( look at Oxford st Manchester) & as for wearing dress code today they are living in a dream world people will go elsewhere. Al talk no substance as usual.. thomas222
  • Score: 29

11:14am Tue 4 Mar 14

stereo_world says...

“I am sure the work will change crime levels. I think introducing the dress code will get rid of the bad element, challenge 25 for people who look under 25 will mean people have to bring identification with them and an element won’t want to be identified.”

Mr Bell won't get by qualifying things with "I am sure" and "I think". That's not going to instill any confidence in your scheme you're trying to promote.

Has he actually done any research into pubs on Bradshawgate? The majority of bars on Bradshawgate have dress codes on them. Vogue, which always has bad press, implements such a policy. Just because they're of a 'bad element', does not mean they can't dress appropriately. Look at CCTV of fights outside bars - you'd find most offenders are dressed in smarter attire.

Secondly, you're basing this on the dated notion that sticking to "challenge 25" will alleviate such offences. You're also assuming the "bad element" are always under 18/have no identification.

Do your research properly, Mr Bell. You won't convince anyone with loose reasoning like that. If your "research" proved successful, there would be drinking problem in this country.

Next time you talk to the press, you might want to stay up late the night before and put a proper statement together.
“I am sure the work will change crime levels. I think introducing the dress code will get rid of the bad element, challenge 25 for people who look under 25 will mean people have to bring identification with them and an element won’t want to be identified.” Mr Bell won't get by qualifying things with "I am sure" and "I think". That's not going to instill any confidence in your scheme you're trying to promote. Has he actually done any research into pubs on Bradshawgate? The majority of bars on Bradshawgate have dress codes on them. Vogue, which always has bad press, implements such a policy. Just because they're of a 'bad element', does not mean they can't dress appropriately. Look at CCTV of fights outside bars - you'd find most offenders are dressed in smarter attire. Secondly, you're basing this on the dated notion that sticking to "challenge 25" will alleviate such offences. You're also assuming the "bad element" are always under 18/have no identification. Do your research properly, Mr Bell. You won't convince anyone with loose reasoning like that. If your "research" proved successful, there would be drinking problem in this country. Next time you talk to the press, you might want to stay up late the night before and put a proper statement together. stereo_world
  • Score: 20

11:44am Tue 4 Mar 14

Tim Burr says...

Unless they find some way of drug testing, many of the problems will continue. Whilst I applaud the will to actually do something to make the centre a safer environment, many of the underlying problems begin before people have stepped foot into the town centre - that is the greatest challenge.
Unless they find some way of drug testing, many of the problems will continue. Whilst I applaud the will to actually do something to make the centre a safer environment, many of the underlying problems begin before people have stepped foot into the town centre - that is the greatest challenge. Tim Burr
  • Score: 28

12:19pm Tue 4 Mar 14

LordLeverhulme says...

One minute they're trying to turn it into a student town and filling Bradshawgate with student accomodation... the next they're saying it's a family area and moaning about drunk students and young people.
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You can't have it both ways.
One minute they're trying to turn it into a student town and filling Bradshawgate with student accomodation... the next they're saying it's a family area and moaning about drunk students and young people. . You can't have it both ways. LordLeverhulme
  • Score: 41

12:21pm Tue 4 Mar 14

soup153 says...

Bring back the lolly pops I say.
Bring back the lolly pops I say. soup153
  • Score: -7

12:36pm Tue 4 Mar 14

wsw69 says...

Get real Bolton MBC (Moronic Borough Council) you lost the fight donkeys years ago. You are p**sing in the wind and getting your own back four fold.

They are in cloud cuckoo land, the lot of them. The place is an utter unkept hovel of a dump! It's a louts playground, a p**s artistes playground, a yobs pleasure pit and over run with druggies.

Cleaning the place up means starting with getting shut of the 5H1t, and in my eyes that means drastically getting shut of all the low level disgusting filty pits they call takeaways and kebab houses.

If I had the choice of where to have a night out in a town, Bolton wouldn't even feature. It's a cess pit par excellence, and on that I give it 10 out of 5 gold stars.

I could go on but my time is way too precious.
Get real Bolton MBC (Moronic Borough Council) you lost the fight donkeys years ago. You are p**sing in the wind and getting your own back four fold. They are in cloud cuckoo land, the lot of them. The place is an utter unkept hovel of a dump! It's a louts playground, a p**s artistes playground, a yobs pleasure pit and over run with druggies. Cleaning the place up means starting with getting shut of the 5H1t, and in my eyes that means drastically getting shut of all the low level disgusting filty pits they call takeaways and kebab houses. If I had the choice of where to have a night out in a town, Bolton wouldn't even feature. It's a cess pit par excellence, and on that I give it 10 out of 5 gold stars. I could go on but my time is way too precious. wsw69
  • Score: 38

12:49pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Beyond News Forum says...

1. A Dress Code = Well dressed louts - the change is?

2. Minimum Alcohol Price = That is what is in force now, drinks are expensive enough and it still does not stop bar owners creating offers - the law is the law unless Bolton is going to go against the grain.

3. Family friendly = Okay let's assume that people will be bringing there kids out into town at 11pm, what will they be doing? As for family friendly the last time I was in town I witnessed two brothers and a cousin fighting over why one had not gained entry to the Dragonfly.

4. Why are drivers being forced to take detours in town? I'd like to know the method in the madness with that one.

Half hearted reporting by the BN and a half a$$ed attempt at creating a family friendly environment in the TC - Look for all the fuss over making the TC family friendly, I would just like to know what the curfew hours will be before what unfortunately is the MONEY MAKER (drinkers) will be allowed out of their cages? Also what exactly will be on offer to said families to attend the TC until the small hours. LOL family friendly environment - If any families with kids are out in the TC during the week and the weekends after even 10:30pm then there will be moans of why are parents not at home putting their kids to bed ready for school and a good nights sleep.

Actually why not just split the TC into two zones, fence off both sides and have armed police moving people along in lines. We could have drinkers out having a good time on one side and families playing scrabble on the Town Hall steps.

Don't get me wrong I agree the TC should be more family friendly, but there is nothing there at night for families at present. Not only that the TC is just like any other town and city at night - it is full of bars that attract the business - drinkers.

I just don't get the rhetoric here - one is a cash cow the other is a dead horse. Either the TC prospers or it dies a death. You cannot have it both ways folks.
1. A Dress Code = Well dressed louts - the change is? 2. Minimum Alcohol Price = That is what is in force now, drinks are expensive enough and it still does not stop bar owners creating offers - the law is the law unless Bolton is going to go against the grain. 3. Family friendly = Okay let's assume that people will be bringing there kids out into town at 11pm, what will they be doing? As for family friendly the last time I was in town I witnessed two brothers and a cousin fighting over why one had not gained entry to the Dragonfly. 4. Why are drivers being forced to take detours in town? I'd like to know the method in the madness with that one. Half hearted reporting by the BN and a half a$$ed attempt at creating a family friendly environment in the TC - Look for all the fuss over making the TC family friendly, I would just like to know what the curfew hours will be before what unfortunately is the MONEY MAKER (drinkers) will be allowed out of their cages? Also what exactly will be on offer to said families to attend the TC until the small hours. LOL family friendly environment - If any families with kids are out in the TC during the week and the weekends after even 10:30pm then there will be moans of why are parents not at home putting their kids to bed ready for school and a good nights sleep. Actually why not just split the TC into two zones, fence off both sides and have armed police moving people along in lines. We could have drinkers out having a good time on one side and families playing scrabble on the Town Hall steps. Don't get me wrong I agree the TC should be more family friendly, but there is nothing there at night for families at present. Not only that the TC is just like any other town and city at night - it is full of bars that attract the business - drinkers. I just don't get the rhetoric here - one is a cash cow the other is a dead horse. Either the TC prospers or it dies a death. You cannot have it both ways folks. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 13

12:51pm Tue 4 Mar 14

catsden says...

What MUPPETS say no, I can just imagine what they are like, (say no more )who in there right minds would not like to make our Town Centre more family friendly
What MUPPETS say no, I can just imagine what they are like, (say no more )who in there right minds would not like to make our Town Centre more family friendly catsden
  • Score: 5

1:35pm Tue 4 Mar 14

DC Ferret says...

thomas222 wrote:
Ha ha ha. What happened to the last idea with a poetry in pubs and the other rubbish spouted. Bolton town center is soon to be a student city no go area for familys ( look at Oxford st Manchester) & as for wearing dress code today they are living in a dream world people will go elsewhere. Al talk no substance as usual..
In the words of the inestimable E.S.G. "You make no, you make no sense, you make no, you make no sense, you.... you make no sense at all". Apart from being a resentful and small minded rant against anything new, your comments add nothing to this discussion. Like a lot of people who adopt the mantle of cynicism, you believe it adds maturity and wisdom for your 'views', when actually it is weak and shallow and is merely a facade which hides your overall naivity and oversimplification of sophisticated processes, but please continue to comment away, I get endless amounts of pleasure at laughing at yours and others pretensious, self righteous and pompous comments, you really make my day. I often ask people I know from other towns and cities to read some of these comments to raise a laugh at the god awful parochialism which seems to abound among the adherents and contributors to this forum, if you can't beat 'em, laugh your head off!!!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Ha ha ha. What happened to the last idea with a poetry in pubs and the other rubbish spouted. Bolton town center is soon to be a student city no go area for familys ( look at Oxford st Manchester) & as for wearing dress code today they are living in a dream world people will go elsewhere. Al talk no substance as usual..[/p][/quote]In the words of the inestimable E.S.G. "You make no, you make no sense, you make no, you make no sense, you.... you make no sense at all". Apart from being a resentful and small minded rant against anything new, your comments add nothing to this discussion. Like a lot of people who adopt the mantle of cynicism, you believe it adds maturity and wisdom for your 'views', when actually it is weak and shallow and is merely a facade which hides your overall naivity and oversimplification of sophisticated processes, but please continue to comment away, I get endless amounts of pleasure at laughing at yours and others pretensious, self righteous and pompous comments, you really make my day. I often ask people I know from other towns and cities to read some of these comments to raise a laugh at the god awful parochialism which seems to abound among the adherents and contributors to this forum, if you can't beat 'em, laugh your head off!!! DC Ferret
  • Score: -16

1:37pm Tue 4 Mar 14

DC Ferret says...

LordLeverhulme wrote:
One minute they're trying to turn it into a student town and filling Bradshawgate with student accomodation... the next they're saying it's a family area and moaning about drunk students and young people. . You can't have it both ways.
actually they said they want to cater for all tastes, but I hardly expect you to be honest in your criticism
[quote][p][bold]LordLeverhulme[/bold] wrote: One minute they're trying to turn it into a student town and filling Bradshawgate with student accomodation... the next they're saying it's a family area and moaning about drunk students and young people. . You can't have it both ways.[/p][/quote]actually they said they want to cater for all tastes, but I hardly expect you to be honest in your criticism DC Ferret
  • Score: -17

1:40pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Beyond News Forum says...

catsden wrote:
What MUPPETS say no, I can just imagine what they are like, (say no more )who in there right minds would not like to make our Town Centre more family friendly
In what way and what time does town shut?

If you have all the answers place them here for all to read please.

Hey I say go for it, but where is the line drawn?
Between the hours of 11pm and 4am the TC businesses make a ton of cash. If you invite families in at that time it will be extremely low revenue.

Yes put a cinema in town - shut at 11pm -12am

Yes put a Bowling Alley in - Hollywood Bowl shut down the last time because of a lack of business.

Put in an Ice rink - it will still be shut at 11pm like all the others.

Personally I do not go into town anymore, like the poster above my last comment stated so well - the TC is a hovel.

You can make the TC family friendly but you kill the other revenue streams that unfortunately stabilize a lot of business in the TC.

You do not need a degree to work out where this town is headed, but you do need a degree or two in business and social behavior to sort the mess out - something sadly it seems our illustrious council is either lacking or is completely out of date.

I voted yes but I would like to know just how this is achievable with all the business that is going to be affected.
[quote][p][bold]catsden[/bold] wrote: What MUPPETS say no, I can just imagine what they are like, (say no more )who in there right minds would not like to make our Town Centre more family friendly[/p][/quote]In what way and what time does town shut? If you have all the answers place them here for all to read please. Hey I say go for it, but where is the line drawn? Between the hours of 11pm and 4am the TC businesses make a ton of cash. If you invite families in at that time it will be extremely low revenue. Yes put a cinema in town - shut at 11pm -12am Yes put a Bowling Alley in - Hollywood Bowl shut down the last time because of a lack of business. Put in an Ice rink - it will still be shut at 11pm like all the others. Personally I do not go into town anymore, like the poster above my last comment stated so well - the TC is a hovel. You can make the TC family friendly but you kill the other revenue streams that unfortunately stabilize a lot of business in the TC. You do not need a degree to work out where this town is headed, but you do need a degree or two in business and social behavior to sort the mess out - something sadly it seems our illustrious council is either lacking or is completely out of date. I voted yes but I would like to know just how this is achievable with all the business that is going to be affected. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 14

1:44pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Beyond News Forum says...

DC Ferret wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Ha ha ha. What happened to the last idea with a poetry in pubs and the other rubbish spouted. Bolton town center is soon to be a student city no go area for familys ( look at Oxford st Manchester) & as for wearing dress code today they are living in a dream world people will go elsewhere. Al talk no substance as usual..
In the words of the inestimable E.S.G. "You make no, you make no sense, you make no, you make no sense, you.... you make no sense at all". Apart from being a resentful and small minded rant against anything new, your comments add nothing to this discussion. Like a lot of people who adopt the mantle of cynicism, you believe it adds maturity and wisdom for your 'views', when actually it is weak and shallow and is merely a facade which hides your overall naivity and oversimplification of sophisticated processes, but please continue to comment away, I get endless amounts of pleasure at laughing at yours and others pretensious, self righteous and pompous comments, you really make my day. I often ask people I know from other towns and cities to read some of these comments to raise a laugh at the god awful parochialism which seems to abound among the adherents and contributors to this forum, if you can't beat 'em, laugh your head off!!!
"Parochialism"

"Pretentious (corrected), self righteous and pompous"

Although these are now words of the day - please read over your comment and attach the same terminology to your thoughts.

Brilliant.

No but DC Ferret on serious note... LMAO I do actually agree - but you indeed made my day also.
[quote][p][bold]DC Ferret[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Ha ha ha. What happened to the last idea with a poetry in pubs and the other rubbish spouted. Bolton town center is soon to be a student city no go area for familys ( look at Oxford st Manchester) & as for wearing dress code today they are living in a dream world people will go elsewhere. Al talk no substance as usual..[/p][/quote]In the words of the inestimable E.S.G. "You make no, you make no sense, you make no, you make no sense, you.... you make no sense at all". Apart from being a resentful and small minded rant against anything new, your comments add nothing to this discussion. Like a lot of people who adopt the mantle of cynicism, you believe it adds maturity and wisdom for your 'views', when actually it is weak and shallow and is merely a facade which hides your overall naivity and oversimplification of sophisticated processes, but please continue to comment away, I get endless amounts of pleasure at laughing at yours and others pretensious, self righteous and pompous comments, you really make my day. I often ask people I know from other towns and cities to read some of these comments to raise a laugh at the god awful parochialism which seems to abound among the adherents and contributors to this forum, if you can't beat 'em, laugh your head off!!![/p][/quote]"Parochialism" "Pretentious (corrected), self righteous and pompous" Although these are now words of the day - please read over your comment and attach the same terminology to your thoughts. Brilliant. No but DC Ferret on serious note... LMAO I do actually agree - but you indeed made my day also. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 8

1:47pm Tue 4 Mar 14

melloj says...

I don't want to go back to the day of pants and shoes like in the 90's personally, and anyway bars can't afford to pick and choose clientele like they could then with pub trade the way it is.
I don't want to go back to the day of pants and shoes like in the 90's personally, and anyway bars can't afford to pick and choose clientele like they could then with pub trade the way it is. melloj
  • Score: 12

2:08pm Tue 4 Mar 14

DC Ferret says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
DC Ferret wrote:
thomas222 wrote: Ha ha ha. What happened to the last idea with a poetry in pubs and the other rubbish spouted. Bolton town center is soon to be a student city no go area for familys ( look at Oxford st Manchester) & as for wearing dress code today they are living in a dream world people will go elsewhere. Al talk no substance as usual..
In the words of the inestimable E.S.G. "You make no, you make no sense, you make no, you make no sense, you.... you make no sense at all". Apart from being a resentful and small minded rant against anything new, your comments add nothing to this discussion. Like a lot of people who adopt the mantle of cynicism, you believe it adds maturity and wisdom for your 'views', when actually it is weak and shallow and is merely a facade which hides your overall naivity and oversimplification of sophisticated processes, but please continue to comment away, I get endless amounts of pleasure at laughing at yours and others pretensious, self righteous and pompous comments, you really make my day. I often ask people I know from other towns and cities to read some of these comments to raise a laugh at the god awful parochialism which seems to abound among the adherents and contributors to this forum, if you can't beat 'em, laugh your head off!!!
"Parochialism" "Pretentious (corrected), self righteous and pompous" Although these are now words of the day - please read over your comment and attach the same terminology to your thoughts. Brilliant. No but DC Ferret on serious note... LMAO I do actually agree - but you indeed made my day also.
My "parochialism" seems to be spelt correctly!!! But regardless, thanks, it's good to know it's not just me out there
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DC Ferret[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Ha ha ha. What happened to the last idea with a poetry in pubs and the other rubbish spouted. Bolton town center is soon to be a student city no go area for familys ( look at Oxford st Manchester) & as for wearing dress code today they are living in a dream world people will go elsewhere. Al talk no substance as usual..[/p][/quote]In the words of the inestimable E.S.G. "You make no, you make no sense, you make no, you make no sense, you.... you make no sense at all". Apart from being a resentful and small minded rant against anything new, your comments add nothing to this discussion. Like a lot of people who adopt the mantle of cynicism, you believe it adds maturity and wisdom for your 'views', when actually it is weak and shallow and is merely a facade which hides your overall naivity and oversimplification of sophisticated processes, but please continue to comment away, I get endless amounts of pleasure at laughing at yours and others pretensious, self righteous and pompous comments, you really make my day. I often ask people I know from other towns and cities to read some of these comments to raise a laugh at the god awful parochialism which seems to abound among the adherents and contributors to this forum, if you can't beat 'em, laugh your head off!!![/p][/quote]"Parochialism" "Pretentious (corrected), self righteous and pompous" Although these are now words of the day - please read over your comment and attach the same terminology to your thoughts. Brilliant. No but DC Ferret on serious note... LMAO I do actually agree - but you indeed made my day also.[/p][/quote]My "parochialism" seems to be spelt correctly!!! But regardless, thanks, it's good to know it's not just me out there DC Ferret
  • Score: -2

2:19pm Tue 4 Mar 14

I, Ludicrous says...

Dress codes always make me laugh. People in polyester trousers and plastic shoes don't cause trouble, it's those in designer jeans that are the trouble-causers. Brilliant.
Dress codes always make me laugh. People in polyester trousers and plastic shoes don't cause trouble, it's those in designer jeans that are the trouble-causers. Brilliant. I, Ludicrous
  • Score: 9

2:39pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Unequalrights says...

minimum pricing of £0.75 per unit....lets put that into real terms...

A pint of ordinary strength lager (Carling, Fosters) - 2 units (£1.65)
A pint of strong lager (Stella, Kronenbourg 1664) - 3 units (£2.25)
A pint of ordinary bitter (John Smith's, Boddingtons) - 2 units (£1.65)
A pint of best bitter (Fuller's ESB, Young's Special) - 3 units (£2.25)
A pint of ordinary strength cider (Woodpecker) - 2 units (£1.65)
A pint of strong cider (Strongbow) - 3 units (£2.25)
A 175ml glass of red or white wine - around 2 units (£1.65)
A pub measure of spirits - 1 unit (£0.75)
An alcopop (eg Smirnoff Ice, WKD,) - around 1.5 units (£1.12)


Cant see this helping much to be honest, considering the vast of people front load or prink before they come out (prinking is pre-drinking)

The biggest culprits for supplying cheap drinks are the supermarkets. £15 for a litre of vodka.....
minimum pricing of £0.75 per unit....lets put that into real terms... A pint of ordinary strength lager (Carling, Fosters) - 2 units (£1.65) A pint of strong lager (Stella, Kronenbourg 1664) - 3 units (£2.25) A pint of ordinary bitter (John Smith's, Boddingtons) - 2 units (£1.65) A pint of best bitter (Fuller's ESB, Young's Special) - 3 units (£2.25) A pint of ordinary strength cider (Woodpecker) - 2 units (£1.65) A pint of strong cider (Strongbow) - 3 units (£2.25) A 175ml glass of red or white wine - around 2 units (£1.65) A pub measure of spirits - 1 unit (£0.75) An alcopop (eg Smirnoff Ice, WKD,) - around 1.5 units (£1.12) Cant see this helping much to be honest, considering the vast of people front load or prink before they come out (prinking is pre-drinking) The biggest culprits for supplying cheap drinks are the supermarkets. £15 for a litre of vodka..... Unequalrights
  • Score: 7

2:45pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Unequalrights says...

has anyone else looked for steve hoyle (vice chairman of the group and owner of downtown) on facebook???

his last three posts relate to major violence at one of his venues and he goes on to say how revenge is sweet and theres talk of baseball bats??

oh i can see the town centre improving almost instantly....
has anyone else looked for steve hoyle (vice chairman of the group and owner of downtown) on facebook??? his last three posts relate to major violence at one of his venues and he goes on to say how revenge is sweet and theres talk of baseball bats?? oh i can see the town centre improving almost instantly.... Unequalrights
  • Score: 12

3:06pm Tue 4 Mar 14

steveG says...

The council are "making it up as they go along".
The council are "making it up as they go along". steveG
  • Score: 7

3:36pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Jim271 says...

We need to change peoples attitude towards alcohol,

Europeans drink to be social, the British drink to get DRUNK!!!!!!
We need to change peoples attitude towards alcohol, Europeans drink to be social, the British drink to get DRUNK!!!!!! Jim271
  • Score: 8

3:48pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Reality50 says...

Get rid of the daytime drunks and immigrant gangs that hang around the town centre first.
Get rid of the daytime drunks and immigrant gangs that hang around the town centre first. Reality50
  • Score: 23

3:52pm Tue 4 Mar 14

stereo_world says...

Also, I don't see any point in the poll. Of course people want the place to be more Family Friendly for crying out loud.

It's just an excuse so Bolton News can post something like: "A whopping 71% agrees that the town centre should be more family friendly".
Also, I don't see any point in the poll. Of course people want the place to be more Family Friendly for crying out loud. It's just an excuse so Bolton News can post something like: "A whopping 71% agrees that the town centre should be more family friendly". stereo_world
  • Score: 10

4:01pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Reality50 says...

Raising booze prices in the town centre will kill all remaining bars off within 5 years and put off new bars opening. Bolton will end up like Blackburn where there is now no nightlife in there town centre at all now.The dress code restriction will alienate many and we don't want a return to those snobbish times of dress code in the 1980's. All round these ideas are suicidal to the town centre pub and club economy. Families do not bring significant income to the licensing trade in this country except maybe Sunday lunchtimes.
Raising booze prices in the town centre will kill all remaining bars off within 5 years and put off new bars opening. Bolton will end up like Blackburn where there is now no nightlife in there town centre at all now.The dress code restriction will alienate many and we don't want a return to those snobbish times of dress code in the 1980's. All round these ideas are suicidal to the town centre pub and club economy. Families do not bring significant income to the licensing trade in this country except maybe Sunday lunchtimes. Reality50
  • Score: 2

4:06pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Reality50 says...

The only people to benefit here will be Wigan,Manchester and Bury as there will be a mass exodus from our young people to drink in their bars. The idiots who thought up these clueless ideas are a danger to nightlfe in Bolton.
The only people to benefit here will be Wigan,Manchester and Bury as there will be a mass exodus from our young people to drink in their bars. The idiots who thought up these clueless ideas are a danger to nightlfe in Bolton. Reality50
  • Score: 9

4:19pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Endoxa says...

What on earth has dearer booze, dress codes and taxi marshals got to do with being 'family friendly'? To support what some others have said, it's more about providing a reason for families to go into the town centre in the first place and it won't be for pubs and clubs after 11 pm at night! Of course the proposed measures are warranted, but on their own merits and not under the shroud of trying to be 'family friendly' - someone trying to drum up some political kudos perhaps? Decades ago families used the facilities that Bolton used to offer but there were also plenty of revellers late at night - the two are not mutually exclusive so far as I can see - unless cities like Manchester have got it wrong?
What on earth has dearer booze, dress codes and taxi marshals got to do with being 'family friendly'? To support what some others have said, it's more about providing a reason for families to go into the town centre in the first place and it won't be for pubs and clubs after 11 pm at night! Of course the proposed measures are warranted, but on their own merits and not under the shroud of trying to be 'family friendly' - someone trying to drum up some political kudos perhaps? Decades ago families used the facilities that Bolton used to offer but there were also plenty of revellers late at night - the two are not mutually exclusive so far as I can see - unless cities like Manchester have got it wrong? Endoxa
  • Score: 5

5:38pm Tue 4 Mar 14

mdavies11 says...

It seems unwise to encourage parents and children to drink alcohol in the twon centre

even if ethere is no violence the children's health will be affected
It seems unwise to encourage parents and children to drink alcohol in the twon centre even if ethere is no violence the children's health will be affected mdavies11
  • Score: 0

5:48pm Tue 4 Mar 14

thomas222 says...

DC Ferret wrote:
thomas222 wrote: Ha ha ha. What happened to the last idea with a poetry in pubs and the other rubbish spouted. Bolton town center is soon to be a student city no go area for familys ( look at Oxford st Manchester) & as for wearing dress code today they are living in a dream world people will go elsewhere. Al talk no substance as usual..
In the words of the inestimable E.S.G. "You make no, you make no sense, you make no, you make no sense, you.... you make no sense at all". Apart from being a resentful and small minded rant against anything new, your comments add nothing to this discussion. Like a lot of people who adopt the mantle of cynicism, you believe it adds maturity and wisdom for your 'views', when actually it is weak and shallow and is merely a facade which hides your overall naivity and oversimplification of sophisticated processes, but please continue to comment away, I get endless amounts of pleasure at laughing at yours and others pretensious, self righteous and pompous comments, you really make my day. I often ask people I know from other towns and cities to read some of these comments to raise a laugh at the god awful parochialism which seems to abound among the adherents and contributors to this forum, if you can't beat 'em, laugh your head off!!!
Im a realist & not a dreamer...... Please dont call me pompous i think your post says it all pal : )
[quote][p][bold]DC Ferret[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: Ha ha ha. What happened to the last idea with a poetry in pubs and the other rubbish spouted. Bolton town center is soon to be a student city no go area for familys ( look at Oxford st Manchester) & as for wearing dress code today they are living in a dream world people will go elsewhere. Al talk no substance as usual..[/p][/quote]In the words of the inestimable E.S.G. "You make no, you make no sense, you make no, you make no sense, you.... you make no sense at all". Apart from being a resentful and small minded rant against anything new, your comments add nothing to this discussion. Like a lot of people who adopt the mantle of cynicism, you believe it adds maturity and wisdom for your 'views', when actually it is weak and shallow and is merely a facade which hides your overall naivity and oversimplification of sophisticated processes, but please continue to comment away, I get endless amounts of pleasure at laughing at yours and others pretensious, self righteous and pompous comments, you really make my day. I often ask people I know from other towns and cities to read some of these comments to raise a laugh at the god awful parochialism which seems to abound among the adherents and contributors to this forum, if you can't beat 'em, laugh your head off!!![/p][/quote]Im a realist & not a dreamer...... Please dont call me pompous i think your post says it all pal : ) thomas222
  • Score: 5

7:07pm Tue 4 Mar 14

BWFC71 says...

Jim271 wrote:
We need to change peoples attitude towards alcohol,

Europeans drink to be social, the British drink to get DRUNK!!!!!!
Not quite true but there is a difference. The Germans and the Dutch drink to about the same level as us Brits but the level of violence isn't there.

Also the Dutch and the Germans do not go on about binge drinking but, as I say , they drink same amount as us - but their bars are open longer, they have a more decent public transport system to get home with (and not finish around 1030 like most of the buses do in Bolton) and more importantly there is more control from the police and the licensing authorities!

Yes a change has to be made in the mentality of drinking but also the authorities and transport bodies will have to change.
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: We need to change peoples attitude towards alcohol, Europeans drink to be social, the British drink to get DRUNK!!!!!![/p][/quote]Not quite true but there is a difference. The Germans and the Dutch drink to about the same level as us Brits but the level of violence isn't there. Also the Dutch and the Germans do not go on about binge drinking but, as I say , they drink same amount as us - but their bars are open longer, they have a more decent public transport system to get home with (and not finish around 1030 like most of the buses do in Bolton) and more importantly there is more control from the police and the licensing authorities! Yes a change has to be made in the mentality of drinking but also the authorities and transport bodies will have to change. BWFC71
  • Score: -67

8:32pm Tue 4 Mar 14

havesomethingtosay says...

Oh look Bolton Council want to join forces with the evening economy now that;s laughable .
All the above was in place with the taxi marshalls, street ambassadors (4 nights aweek) the door staff etc about about 5 years ago but was all slashed due to funding .and not having the backing from the Bolton Council as it was too much money . Does this mean they have spare money or is it going to be up to the pubs to source the funding themselves .
Agree it should be made a pedestrian zone due to the amount of traffic through bradshawgate but to make it more family friendly thats going to be the challenge as where ever you walk in the town centre you will also bump into someone who will spoil the night whether it be someone who is drunk or kids hangin about , beggars etc need i go on .. Bolton evening economy used to be a great night out lots of laughs and minimal trouble now its gone to the dogs more and more people stay local or head for other places as the atmosphere is more inviting bolton nightlife died years ago it will never be the same again even if they bring in these changes soon there will be no pubs or clubs it be a ghost town ..
As for family friendly apart from restaurants and oh a cinema what else have they to offer ......
Oh look Bolton Council want to join forces with the evening economy now that;s laughable . All the above was in place with the taxi marshalls, street ambassadors (4 nights aweek) the door staff etc about about 5 years ago but was all slashed due to funding .and not having the backing from the Bolton Council as it was too much money . Does this mean they have spare money or is it going to be up to the pubs to source the funding themselves . Agree it should be made a pedestrian zone due to the amount of traffic through bradshawgate but to make it more family friendly thats going to be the challenge as where ever you walk in the town centre you will also bump into someone who will spoil the night whether it be someone who is drunk or kids hangin about , beggars etc need i go on .. Bolton evening economy used to be a great night out lots of laughs and minimal trouble now its gone to the dogs more and more people stay local or head for other places as the atmosphere is more inviting bolton nightlife died years ago it will never be the same again even if they bring in these changes soon there will be no pubs or clubs it be a ghost town .. As for family friendly apart from restaurants and oh a cinema what else have they to offer ...... havesomethingtosay
  • Score: 4

9:20pm Tue 4 Mar 14

w1ggan says...

I can't see where it says they want families in town between 11pm & 4am, what I understand it to mean is they won't tolerate drunks in the street, they will shut town centre to traffic for few hours at night (many foreign towns do this, some Friday and Saturday and some every night).

If it went ahead it wouldn't be a success overnight, but to work it will have to be persevered with and everything would have to be consistent. It can't be reliant on the pubs and clubs to pay as they already pay their business rates and licences and staffing and other costs.

It has to be funded by government be it central or local, before making a minimum price they should survey all prices on a range of dates in pubs, clubs, and supermarkets and then the difference between their existing prices and the minimum would be levied as a tax ring fenced for this purpose only. Look how much the likes of asda and Tesco sell, you'd be raising a £ for every can sold if not more depending on pack size.

Being family friendly means families could come out for a meal in the evening, say Friday or Saturday night and not be intimidated by the drunks. I hope Bolton's drinkers don't move to Wigan as Wigan has enough problems not least the idea to put all the bars together. Anyway let's see the plans in writing first, in action second before making judgement
I can't see where it says they want families in town between 11pm & 4am, what I understand it to mean is they won't tolerate drunks in the street, they will shut town centre to traffic for few hours at night (many foreign towns do this, some Friday and Saturday and some every night). If it went ahead it wouldn't be a success overnight, but to work it will have to be persevered with and everything would have to be consistent. It can't be reliant on the pubs and clubs to pay as they already pay their business rates and licences and staffing and other costs. It has to be funded by government be it central or local, before making a minimum price they should survey all prices on a range of dates in pubs, clubs, and supermarkets and then the difference between their existing prices and the minimum would be levied as a tax ring fenced for this purpose only. Look how much the likes of asda and Tesco sell, you'd be raising a £ for every can sold if not more depending on pack size. Being family friendly means families could come out for a meal in the evening, say Friday or Saturday night and not be intimidated by the drunks. I hope Bolton's drinkers don't move to Wigan as Wigan has enough problems not least the idea to put all the bars together. Anyway let's see the plans in writing first, in action second before making judgement w1ggan
  • Score: 1

9:43pm Tue 4 Mar 14

I Burrow says...

Why would families want to go into Bolton centre at night.2-3 acceptions , Octagon for one. Stop flogging a dead horse and potentially wasting money. Families watch TV on Friday and Saturday nights in the winter months. Why this silly obsession with trying to get families into Bolton at night ?! Concentrate on making it a safe and enjoyable evening for people who already go. Wigan getting good reviews.
Why would families want to go into Bolton centre at night.2-3 acceptions , Octagon for one. Stop flogging a dead horse and potentially wasting money. Families watch TV on Friday and Saturday nights in the winter months. Why this silly obsession with trying to get families into Bolton at night ?! Concentrate on making it a safe and enjoyable evening for people who already go. Wigan getting good reviews. I Burrow
  • Score: 4

3:48pm Wed 5 Mar 14

bluebusman says...

i visit town on most weekends and dont see many a problem with fights . as there used to be, maybe as its not as busy ,but agree whats needed is more in the street as in performers and bands playing in pubs , as for the students accomodation around if this brings money in to town center then they need to look at what would interest them hopefully cinema will help ,the dress code in town is more relaxed now then years ago but think its better this way , the closure of bradshawgate like was intended 3 years ago should go ahead ,.taxi marshalls at one end of town is good idea as this would make it more organised than all the group of taxis outside the swan ,lush bar area which makes it dangerous .Care for the ones that are still going into town and hopefully it will encourage a mixed atmosphere of old and young .
i visit town on most weekends and dont see many a problem with fights . as there used to be, maybe as its not as busy ,but agree whats needed is more in the street as in performers and bands playing in pubs , as for the students accomodation around if this brings money in to town center then they need to look at what would interest them hopefully cinema will help ,the dress code in town is more relaxed now then years ago but think its better this way , the closure of bradshawgate like was intended 3 years ago should go ahead ,.taxi marshalls at one end of town is good idea as this would make it more organised than all the group of taxis outside the swan ,lush bar area which makes it dangerous .Care for the ones that are still going into town and hopefully it will encourage a mixed atmosphere of old and young . bluebusman
  • Score: 0

9:05am Mon 10 Mar 14

Donkey Stone says...

They are not Taxi marshals, they are drunk marshals. Asif Vali speaks for about 12 people, why does the lazy BN keep going to him?
They are not Taxi marshals, they are drunk marshals. Asif Vali speaks for about 12 people, why does the lazy BN keep going to him? Donkey Stone
  • Score: 1

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