UPDATE: Police sniff out huge cannabis farm in Halliwell house

UPDATE: Police sniff out huge cannabis farm in Halliwell house

Cannabis plants with a street value of more than £100,000 were found in the terraced house

Police had to force entry to the house in Victoria Grove, Halliwell

Cannabis plants with a street value of more than £100,000 were found in the terraced house

Cannabis plants with a street value of more than £100,000 were found in the terraced house

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A HUGE cannabis farm was found in a Halliwell house — after police literally sniffed it out.

Officers raided a rented terraced house in Victoria Grove and discovered more than 200 plants with a street value of more than £100,000.

It is believed that the farm — which police think is part of a much bigger organised operation in the borough — had a potential yield of about £500,000 per year.

PC Graeme Sharp of the Bolton Central Neighbourhood Policing team, said: “On this occasion we were not acting on reports from neighbours — it was our officers who noticed the smell while out and about in the area. We had to put a fair bit of work into the operation but are very happy to have found it.

“This farm would have had a potential yield of about half a million pounds and we appear to have hit it before any money has been made.”

Officers said the plants were at a stage of growing that meant it had not yet made any money.

A Vietnamese man was arrested at the scene after officers forced their way into the house and caught him trying to escape via a back exit.

Plants were found in two upstairs rooms at the property as well as in the loft with sophisticated equipment installed.

The electricity supply had been bypassed, which police said can be extremely dangerous as they can start fires which may spread to other houses.

PC Sharp said: “This is a row of terraced houses so by bypassing the electricity, whoever is behind this is putting the other residents at risk.”

Residents in Victoria Grove said they were “relieved” the farm had been found.

Neighbour Donna Geraghty, aged 37, added: “I have a 12-year-old daughter and you don’t want to be living next door to that.

“I did report suspicious behaviour next door because for months and months I haven’t seen any signs of life and there is a big air freshener in the window, which I thought was odd.

“It is a shame because I have lived here for six years and it used to be a nice street — I think landlords need to be more vigilant about what is going on in their properties.”

Another neighbour, Jessica Rhodes, aged 20, said: “It always smells of it in this street, so I am pleased they have been caught and hopefully the smell will go away.”

In a separate incident, another cannabis farm was uncovered at a privately rented home in Wigan Road, Westhoughton, at 8.45am.

A man was arrested on suspicion of possession of cannabis and production of cannabis.

The drugs had already been cropped when police arrived Bolton has seen a number of high-profile cannabis raids in recent months — in October a farm was found in Pansy Road, Farnworth, and officers located an operation worth more than £200,000 at a house in Vincent Street, Bolton, in November, where a Vitenamese man was also arrested.

PC Sharp said: “We believe this is just one part of a massive organised crime network in Bolton and we are pleased to have shut down another farm.”

Insp Andy Sidebotham, from Bolton Central Neighbourhood Policing Team, said they had carried out 80 raids in the past year for drugs, stolen goods and firearms.

He added that £1.5 million of cannabis has taken off Bolton central’s streets by police in the past year.

Insp Sidebotham said: “When we informed the wider community about the action we have taken people said they thought there was something suspicious going on.

“I would urge the public to inform us if they think something suspicious is happening in an area as we will look into it.

"If people think something dodgy is going on, phone us. Trust your instinct as it may be something, which today has proved.”

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12:00pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Reed Lover says...

Do the reporters at the Bolton News not come from Bolton? As far as Boltonians are concerned streets just off Chorley Old Road are NOT Halliwell and would be better described as "Near Chorley Old Rd/Off Chorley Old Rd for comprehension sake.
Do the reporters at the Bolton News not come from Bolton? As far as Boltonians are concerned streets just off Chorley Old Road are NOT Halliwell and would be better described as "Near Chorley Old Rd/Off Chorley Old Rd for comprehension sake. Reed Lover
  • Score: 3

12:08pm Thu 20 Feb 14

MarkAllRead says...

Reed Lover wrote:
Do the reporters at the Bolton News not come from Bolton? As far as Boltonians are concerned streets just off Chorley Old Road are NOT Halliwell and would be better described as "Near Chorley Old Rd/Off Chorley Old Rd for comprehension sake.
So what area is it in then, if not Halliwell? Google Maps would certainly seem to suggest that it's in Halliwell.
[quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: Do the reporters at the Bolton News not come from Bolton? As far as Boltonians are concerned streets just off Chorley Old Road are NOT Halliwell and would be better described as "Near Chorley Old Rd/Off Chorley Old Rd for comprehension sake.[/p][/quote]So what area is it in then, if not Halliwell? Google Maps would certainly seem to suggest that it's in Halliwell. MarkAllRead
  • Score: 16

12:35pm Thu 20 Feb 14

V Meldrew says...

Does Reed Lover know that any Boltonian worth their salt should know that the Halliwell area is very large and has been for a very long time and covers both sides of Chorley Old road, which includes all of Queens Park up to Brownlow Fold.
Although Whilst Victoria Grove is still in the Halliwell area it is very near the border.
The Vietnamese managed to find the Halliwell area with no problem.
Does Reed Lover know that any Boltonian worth their salt should know that the Halliwell area is very large and has been for a very long time and covers both sides of Chorley Old road, which includes all of Queens Park up to Brownlow Fold. Although Whilst Victoria Grove is still in the Halliwell area it is very near the border. The Vietnamese managed to find the Halliwell area with no problem. V Meldrew
  • Score: 13

12:45pm Thu 20 Feb 14

melloj says...

It's going on everywhere, every time I turn a corner there's a waft of weed. It's the property owners whose houses are destroyed that I feel sorry for.
It's going on everywhere, every time I turn a corner there's a waft of weed. It's the property owners whose houses are destroyed that I feel sorry for. melloj
  • Score: -7

12:48pm Thu 20 Feb 14

boltonnut says...

I didn't realise that Halliwell extended all the way to Vietnam.
I didn't realise that Halliwell extended all the way to Vietnam. boltonnut
  • Score: 9

12:57pm Thu 20 Feb 14

cliff4treasurer says...

Obviously when the door went in it was a case of the little and large show judging by the varying height of the holes in the door!
Obviously when the door went in it was a case of the little and large show judging by the varying height of the holes in the door! cliff4treasurer
  • Score: 5

1:07pm Thu 20 Feb 14

buskersball says...

MarkAllRead wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
Do the reporters at the Bolton News not come from Bolton? As far as Boltonians are concerned streets just off Chorley Old Road are NOT Halliwell and would be better described as "Near Chorley Old Rd/Off Chorley Old Rd for comprehension sake.
So what area is it in then, if not Halliwell? Google Maps would certainly seem to suggest that it's in Halliwell.
Its Heaton in my book...but then again they dont want to taint the posh houses do they?
[quote][p][bold]MarkAllRead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: Do the reporters at the Bolton News not come from Bolton? As far as Boltonians are concerned streets just off Chorley Old Road are NOT Halliwell and would be better described as "Near Chorley Old Rd/Off Chorley Old Rd for comprehension sake.[/p][/quote]So what area is it in then, if not Halliwell? Google Maps would certainly seem to suggest that it's in Halliwell.[/p][/quote]Its Heaton in my book...but then again they dont want to taint the posh houses do they? buskersball
  • Score: 10

2:13pm Thu 20 Feb 14

davidjb says...

melloj wrote:
It's going on everywhere, every time I turn a corner there's a waft of weed. It's the property owners whose houses are destroyed that I feel sorry for.
yup i say it all time to my partner, dont need a drug dog to smell it in the same place everyday
[quote][p][bold]melloj[/bold] wrote: It's going on everywhere, every time I turn a corner there's a waft of weed. It's the property owners whose houses are destroyed that I feel sorry for.[/p][/quote]yup i say it all time to my partner, dont need a drug dog to smell it in the same place everyday davidjb
  • Score: -4

2:17pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Asquith says...

Oh for heaven's sake, stop demanising this plant. Its legaility is breaking out all over the world. Wake up England. Give your self a shake!
Oh for heaven's sake, stop demanising this plant. Its legaility is breaking out all over the world. Wake up England. Give your self a shake! Asquith
  • Score: 21

2:30pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Jim271 says...

Tip of the Iceberg.

The dumping ground of Bolton.
Tip of the Iceberg. The dumping ground of Bolton. Jim271
  • Score: 10

3:20pm Thu 20 Feb 14

CVF420 says...

The sooner cannabis is legally regulated the better. Our current system of prohibition has been nothing less than an expensive, indefensible failure. Under a legal scheme, thousands of taxable jobs would be created, helping to massively boost our economy. It would also allow our police and court systems to focus on real crime, such as murder and assault.

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The sooner cannabis is legally regulated the better. Our current system of prohibition has been nothing less than an expensive, indefensible failure. Under a legal scheme, thousands of taxable jobs would be created, helping to massively boost our economy. It would also allow our police and court systems to focus on real crime, such as murder and assault. Cannabis Volunteer Force (CVF) CVF Media Team facebook.com/cvf420 CVF420
  • Score: 11

3:31pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Jim271 says...

lol Legalise cannabis, an addictive drug which turns peoples brains to mush.

The people who smoke it are too stupid to think otherwise
lol Legalise cannabis, an addictive drug which turns peoples brains to mush. The people who smoke it are too stupid to think otherwise Jim271
  • Score: 0

4:14pm Thu 20 Feb 14

stereo_world says...

V Meldrew wrote:
Does Reed Lover know that any Boltonian worth their salt should know that the Halliwell area is very large and has been for a very long time and covers both sides of Chorley Old road, which includes all of Queens Park up to Brownlow Fold.
Although Whilst Victoria Grove is still in the Halliwell area it is very near the border.
The Vietnamese managed to find the Halliwell area with no problem.
Having lived in Heaton since childhood, I've always considered the Victoria Grove side of Chorley Old Road to be Halliwell and the Morrisons side to be Heaton. Why? Well my address (on Shrewsbury Road) was considered Heaton, as was my friends on Mornington Road and Lonsdale Road, and the Morrisons itself. My other friend who lived on Oxford Grove was considered Halliwell.
[quote][p][bold]V Meldrew[/bold] wrote: Does Reed Lover know that any Boltonian worth their salt should know that the Halliwell area is very large and has been for a very long time and covers both sides of Chorley Old road, which includes all of Queens Park up to Brownlow Fold. Although Whilst Victoria Grove is still in the Halliwell area it is very near the border. The Vietnamese managed to find the Halliwell area with no problem.[/p][/quote]Having lived in Heaton since childhood, I've always considered the Victoria Grove side of Chorley Old Road to be Halliwell and the Morrisons side to be Heaton. Why? Well my address (on Shrewsbury Road) was considered Heaton, as was my friends on Mornington Road and Lonsdale Road, and the Morrisons itself. My other friend who lived on Oxford Grove was considered Halliwell. stereo_world
  • Score: 6

5:00pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Cakelly says...

MarkAllRead wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
Do the reporters at the Bolton News not come from Bolton? As far as Boltonians are concerned streets just off Chorley Old Road are NOT Halliwell and would be better described as "Near Chorley Old Rd/Off Chorley Old Rd for comprehension sake.
So what area is it in then, if not Halliwell? Google Maps would certainly seem to suggest that it's in Halliwell.
It was referred to as Heaton, when I lived in the area!
[quote][p][bold]MarkAllRead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: Do the reporters at the Bolton News not come from Bolton? As far as Boltonians are concerned streets just off Chorley Old Road are NOT Halliwell and would be better described as "Near Chorley Old Rd/Off Chorley Old Rd for comprehension sake.[/p][/quote]So what area is it in then, if not Halliwell? Google Maps would certainly seem to suggest that it's in Halliwell.[/p][/quote]It was referred to as Heaton, when I lived in the area! Cakelly
  • Score: -2

6:33pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Jim271 wrote:
lol Legalise cannabis, an addictive drug which turns peoples brains to mush.

The people who smoke it are too stupid to think otherwise
It sounds like your brain went to mush already. Cannabis addiction is a myth attributed to prohibition fueled propaganda. Not a single scientist on the planet will state for the record that Cannabis is a killer addictive drug.

Go grab a legal killer off your local off licence shelf Jim and chill the hell out. Fag and beer in hand.

Give me some legit stats on weed addiction and death solely down to the use of Cannabis.

I can give you around 10,000 more for alcohol related deaths, a hundred thousand more for cigarette related deaths just in the UK alone.

In fact paracetamol and caffeine kill more people than weed does - fact.

Legal poisons in your bathroom and water can be attributed to more deaths in the UK than any deaths solely down to Cannabis use. But you are happily brushing your teeth and drinking that poison every day.

Wake up man.
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: lol Legalise cannabis, an addictive drug which turns peoples brains to mush. The people who smoke it are too stupid to think otherwise[/p][/quote]It sounds like your brain went to mush already. Cannabis addiction is a myth attributed to prohibition fueled propaganda. Not a single scientist on the planet will state for the record that Cannabis is a killer addictive drug. Go grab a legal killer off your local off licence shelf Jim and chill the hell out. Fag and beer in hand. Give me some legit stats on weed addiction and death solely down to the use of Cannabis. I can give you around 10,000 more for alcohol related deaths, a hundred thousand more for cigarette related deaths just in the UK alone. In fact paracetamol and caffeine kill more people than weed does - fact. Legal poisons in your bathroom and water can be attributed to more deaths in the UK than any deaths solely down to Cannabis use. But you are happily brushing your teeth and drinking that poison every day. Wake up man. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 4

6:58pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Dr Martin says...

Jim271 wrote:
lol Legalise cannabis, an addictive drug which turns peoples brains to mush.

The people who smoke it are too stupid to think otherwise
agreed
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: lol Legalise cannabis, an addictive drug which turns peoples brains to mush. The people who smoke it are too stupid to think otherwise[/p][/quote]agreed Dr Martin
  • Score: 0

7:00pm Thu 20 Feb 14

lv8151 says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
lol Legalise cannabis, an addictive drug which turns peoples brains to mush.

The people who smoke it are too stupid to think otherwise
agreed
here we go again .... lol
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: lol Legalise cannabis, an addictive drug which turns peoples brains to mush. The people who smoke it are too stupid to think otherwise[/p][/quote]agreed[/p][/quote]here we go again .... lol lv8151
  • Score: 5

7:09pm Thu 20 Feb 14

thomas222 says...

What took so long to find it then. Thought we had sniffer dogs in this Country & a little look at the windows blacked out in the area should have told them. Not a clue.
What took so long to find it then. Thought we had sniffer dogs in this Country & a little look at the windows blacked out in the area should have told them. Not a clue. thomas222
  • Score: 5

7:24pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Leftythelion says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
lol Legalise cannabis, an addictive drug which turns peoples brains to mush.

The people who smoke it are too stupid to think otherwise
It sounds like your brain went to mush already. Cannabis addiction is a myth attributed to prohibition fueled propaganda. Not a single scientist on the planet will state for the record that Cannabis is a killer addictive drug.

Go grab a legal killer off your local off licence shelf Jim and chill the hell out. Fag and beer in hand.

Give me some legit stats on weed addiction and death solely down to the use of Cannabis.

I can give you around 10,000 more for alcohol related deaths, a hundred thousand more for cigarette related deaths just in the UK alone.

In fact paracetamol and caffeine kill more people than weed does - fact.

Legal poisons in your bathroom and water can be attributed to more deaths in the UK than any deaths solely down to Cannabis use. But you are happily brushing your teeth and drinking that poison every day.

Wake up man.
"Both killers were addicted to potent skunk cannabis and Adebolajo’s last address was a drugs farm"


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[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: lol Legalise cannabis, an addictive drug which turns peoples brains to mush. The people who smoke it are too stupid to think otherwise[/p][/quote]It sounds like your brain went to mush already. Cannabis addiction is a myth attributed to prohibition fueled propaganda. Not a single scientist on the planet will state for the record that Cannabis is a killer addictive drug. Go grab a legal killer off your local off licence shelf Jim and chill the hell out. Fag and beer in hand. Give me some legit stats on weed addiction and death solely down to the use of Cannabis. I can give you around 10,000 more for alcohol related deaths, a hundred thousand more for cigarette related deaths just in the UK alone. In fact paracetamol and caffeine kill more people than weed does - fact. Legal poisons in your bathroom and water can be attributed to more deaths in the UK than any deaths solely down to Cannabis use. But you are happily brushing your teeth and drinking that poison every day. Wake up man.[/p][/quote]"Both killers were addicted to potent skunk cannabis and Adebolajo’s last address was a drugs farm" Read more: http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2526757/MI5-tried-re cruit-Rigbys-killer- Agents-courting-Isla mic-fanatic-just-wee ks-Woolwich-horror.h tml#ixzz2ttL7x8yu Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook Leftythelion
  • Score: -3

7:50pm Thu 20 Feb 14

lv8151 says...

Leftythelion wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
lol Legalise cannabis, an addictive drug which turns peoples brains to mush.

The people who smoke it are too stupid to think otherwise
It sounds like your brain went to mush already. Cannabis addiction is a myth attributed to prohibition fueled propaganda. Not a single scientist on the planet will state for the record that Cannabis is a killer addictive drug.

Go grab a legal killer off your local off licence shelf Jim and chill the hell out. Fag and beer in hand.

Give me some legit stats on weed addiction and death solely down to the use of Cannabis.

I can give you around 10,000 more for alcohol related deaths, a hundred thousand more for cigarette related deaths just in the UK alone.

In fact paracetamol and caffeine kill more people than weed does - fact.

Legal poisons in your bathroom and water can be attributed to more deaths in the UK than any deaths solely down to Cannabis use. But you are happily brushing your teeth and drinking that poison every day.

Wake up man.
"Both killers were addicted to potent skunk cannabis and Adebolajo’s last address was a drugs farm"


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and your point is what ?

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what you need to understand is the majority of people that smoke weed do it sensibly and within reason ..... just like the majority that drink alcohol do it sensibly and within reason .... you do get smokers that take it to the extreme just like you get drinkers of alcohol that also do the same ..... cannabis will always be here ..... the war on drugs has failed and it is costing you the tax payer billions every year to try and enforce something that will not be stopped
[quote][p][bold]Leftythelion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: lol Legalise cannabis, an addictive drug which turns peoples brains to mush. The people who smoke it are too stupid to think otherwise[/p][/quote]It sounds like your brain went to mush already. Cannabis addiction is a myth attributed to prohibition fueled propaganda. Not a single scientist on the planet will state for the record that Cannabis is a killer addictive drug. Go grab a legal killer off your local off licence shelf Jim and chill the hell out. Fag and beer in hand. Give me some legit stats on weed addiction and death solely down to the use of Cannabis. I can give you around 10,000 more for alcohol related deaths, a hundred thousand more for cigarette related deaths just in the UK alone. In fact paracetamol and caffeine kill more people than weed does - fact. Legal poisons in your bathroom and water can be attributed to more deaths in the UK than any deaths solely down to Cannabis use. But you are happily brushing your teeth and drinking that poison every day. Wake up man.[/p][/quote]"Both killers were addicted to potent skunk cannabis and Adebolajo’s last address was a drugs farm" Read more: http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2526757/MI5-tried-re cruit-Rigbys-killer- Agents-courting-Isla mic-fanatic-just-wee ks-Woolwich-horror.h tml#ixzz2ttL7x8yu Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook[/p][/quote]and your point is what ? http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2368783/Jealous-alco holic-28-murdered-ge nerations-family-inc luding-baby-daughter -inferno-telling-gir lfriend-Ill-burn-hou se-down.html what you need to understand is the majority of people that smoke weed do it sensibly and within reason ..... just like the majority that drink alcohol do it sensibly and within reason .... you do get smokers that take it to the extreme just like you get drinkers of alcohol that also do the same ..... cannabis will always be here ..... the war on drugs has failed and it is costing you the tax payer billions every year to try and enforce something that will not be stopped lv8151
  • Score: 3

8:37pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Leftythelion says...

My point was that cannabis can have a really bad effect on some people and is often portrayed as harmless by those who smoke it.
Paranoia and deluded thought are some of the side effects, not to mention the permanent damage unfiltered smoke does to your lungs. Smoking pot effects you far longer than alcohol, you've only got to listen to a pot smoker to realise this.
When you think your toothpaste is trying to kill you, it's time to call it a day and reach for a tinnie!
My point was that cannabis can have a really bad effect on some people and is often portrayed as harmless by those who smoke it. Paranoia and deluded thought are some of the side effects, not to mention the permanent damage unfiltered smoke does to your lungs. Smoking pot effects you far longer than alcohol, you've only got to listen to a pot smoker to realise this. When you think your toothpaste is trying to kill you, it's time to call it a day and reach for a tinnie! Leftythelion
  • Score: 1

8:43pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Leftythelion wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
lol Legalise cannabis, an addictive drug which turns peoples brains to mush.

The people who smoke it are too stupid to think otherwise
It sounds like your brain went to mush already. Cannabis addiction is a myth attributed to prohibition fueled propaganda. Not a single scientist on the planet will state for the record that Cannabis is a killer addictive drug.

Go grab a legal killer off your local off licence shelf Jim and chill the hell out. Fag and beer in hand.

Give me some legit stats on weed addiction and death solely down to the use of Cannabis.

I can give you around 10,000 more for alcohol related deaths, a hundred thousand more for cigarette related deaths just in the UK alone.

In fact paracetamol and caffeine kill more people than weed does - fact.

Legal poisons in your bathroom and water can be attributed to more deaths in the UK than any deaths solely down to Cannabis use. But you are happily brushing your teeth and drinking that poison every day.

Wake up man.
"Both killers were addicted to potent skunk cannabis and Adebolajo’s last address was a drugs farm"


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You are quoting mainstream sheeple media? Are you on crack yourself?

OMFG! LMFAO!

So your day consists of listing to mainstream propaganda, (that would jump on the benefits of cannabis just like it did in Colorado state USA, once it IS legalized), eating sugars and fatty foods from one of the giant corporate stores... and BSing yourself about weed while you drink your vino and smoke your pipe?

Don't bring Lee's killers into this. They are **** on ****, not even worth the jail cell they will live in if they do not get fecked up in jail first, on your tax money. Yeah sure, some twisted ideology hidden behind the protection of the mainstream media can hide behind the smoke of cannabis... you complete assho!e for taking that mainstream BS in... and we wonder why the country... no the fecking world is screwed? Oh you have NOOOO FECKING IDEA DO YOU?

Get off your chair and start taking a proper look around you... fecking Daily Mail??? PMSLMFAO! Are you taking the p!$$?
[quote][p][bold]Leftythelion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: lol Legalise cannabis, an addictive drug which turns peoples brains to mush. The people who smoke it are too stupid to think otherwise[/p][/quote]It sounds like your brain went to mush already. Cannabis addiction is a myth attributed to prohibition fueled propaganda. Not a single scientist on the planet will state for the record that Cannabis is a killer addictive drug. Go grab a legal killer off your local off licence shelf Jim and chill the hell out. Fag and beer in hand. Give me some legit stats on weed addiction and death solely down to the use of Cannabis. I can give you around 10,000 more for alcohol related deaths, a hundred thousand more for cigarette related deaths just in the UK alone. In fact paracetamol and caffeine kill more people than weed does - fact. Legal poisons in your bathroom and water can be attributed to more deaths in the UK than any deaths solely down to Cannabis use. But you are happily brushing your teeth and drinking that poison every day. Wake up man.[/p][/quote]"Both killers were addicted to potent skunk cannabis and Adebolajo’s last address was a drugs farm" Read more: http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2526757/MI5-tried-re cruit-Rigbys-killer- Agents-courting-Isla mic-fanatic-just-wee ks-Woolwich-horror.h tml#ixzz2ttL7x8yu Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook[/p][/quote]You are quoting mainstream sheeple media? Are you on crack yourself? OMFG! LMFAO! So your day consists of listing to mainstream propaganda, (that would jump on the benefits of cannabis just like it did in Colorado state USA, once it IS legalized), eating sugars and fatty foods from one of the giant corporate stores... and BSing yourself about weed while you drink your vino and smoke your pipe? Don't bring Lee's killers into this. They are **** on ****, not even worth the jail cell they will live in if they do not get fecked up in jail first, on your tax money. Yeah sure, some twisted ideology hidden behind the protection of the mainstream media can hide behind the smoke of cannabis... you complete assho!e for taking that mainstream BS in... and we wonder why the country... no the fecking world is screwed? Oh you have NOOOO FECKING IDEA DO YOU? Get off your chair and start taking a proper look around you... fecking Daily Mail??? PMSLMFAO! Are you taking the p!$$? Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -1

8:47pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Leftythelion wrote:
My point was that cannabis can have a really bad effect on some people and is often portrayed as harmless by those who smoke it.
Paranoia and deluded thought are some of the side effects, not to mention the permanent damage unfiltered smoke does to your lungs. Smoking pot effects you far longer than alcohol, you've only got to listen to a pot smoker to realise this.
When you think your toothpaste is trying to kill you, it's time to call it a day and reach for a tinnie!
I dare you to eat your toothpaste matey.

You are the one who is obviously deluded thinking that weed affects people for longer than beer... actually just feck off and drink your beer...

Paranoid? Ha ha ha ha ha what fecking garbage are you reading? Because there are NO scientific journals that will academically back up your stupid claim. Oh wait except the anti-weed alcohol lobby studies.
[quote][p][bold]Leftythelion[/bold] wrote: My point was that cannabis can have a really bad effect on some people and is often portrayed as harmless by those who smoke it. Paranoia and deluded thought are some of the side effects, not to mention the permanent damage unfiltered smoke does to your lungs. Smoking pot effects you far longer than alcohol, you've only got to listen to a pot smoker to realise this. When you think your toothpaste is trying to kill you, it's time to call it a day and reach for a tinnie![/p][/quote]I dare you to eat your toothpaste matey. You are the one who is obviously deluded thinking that weed affects people for longer than beer... actually just feck off and drink your beer... Paranoid? Ha ha ha ha ha what fecking garbage are you reading? Because there are NO scientific journals that will academically back up your stupid claim. Oh wait except the anti-weed alcohol lobby studies. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -5

8:53pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Jim271 says...

See what I mean about the Cannabis supporters, stoned the lot of them, go out and get jobs you sorry people.
See what I mean about the Cannabis supporters, stoned the lot of them, go out and get jobs you sorry people. Jim271
  • Score: 0

8:55pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Beyond News Forum says...

There have been about 10 deaths solely attributed to weed in the last five years.

Now you compare that to 100,000 plus alcohol related deaths from liver failure and heart disorders (that affect people for years if they ever recover) in ONE YEAR alone. Not including drink driving incidents. Oh they do not count as affecting the lives of people forever do they not?

As for cigarettes... well if weed was cheaper and legal there would be no need to poison lungs with the lethal tobacco combination.

Weed does no damage to the lungs. In actual fact Cannabis helps blood flow and dilation. If you are in the medical profession you would know this and why WE are trying to lobby for common sense with a new wave of Cannabinoids, that are PROVEN to be effective against things like depression to arthritis and Parkinson's. And the pain of cancer, also research suggests some cancers may be cured eventually by Cannabinoids. So please... before you bleat, get buffed up.
There have been about 10 deaths solely attributed to weed in the last five years. Now you compare that to 100,000 plus alcohol related deaths from liver failure and heart disorders (that affect people for years if they ever recover) in ONE YEAR alone. Not including drink driving incidents. Oh they do not count as affecting the lives of people forever do they not? As for cigarettes... well if weed was cheaper and legal there would be no need to poison lungs with the lethal tobacco combination. Weed does no damage to the lungs. In actual fact Cannabis helps blood flow and dilation. If you are in the medical profession you would know this and why WE are trying to lobby for common sense with a new wave of Cannabinoids, that are PROVEN to be effective against things like depression to arthritis and Parkinson's. And the pain of cancer, also research suggests some cancers may be cured eventually by Cannabinoids. So please... before you bleat, get buffed up. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -1

8:57pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Jim271 wrote:
See what I mean about the Cannabis supporters, stoned the lot of them, go out and get jobs you sorry people.
I have three jobs, earn a decent crust and smoke once in a while for therapeutic use. I have 6 degrees and a medical phd. Your point is?
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: See what I mean about the Cannabis supporters, stoned the lot of them, go out and get jobs you sorry people.[/p][/quote]I have three jobs, earn a decent crust and smoke once in a while for therapeutic use. I have 6 degrees and a medical phd. Your point is? Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -1

9:03pm Thu 20 Feb 14

lv8151 says...

Leftythelion .... i totally agree with you on the toothpaste thing but i wouldn't grab a tinnie .... i disagree with you on the part about "smoking pot effects you far longer than alcohol though" ..... like i said previously over consumption of any drug is bad for you but cannabis when used sensibly is a lot less harmful than probably most prescribed drugs and most legal drugs ..... the war on drugs costs the uk £16 billion every year and i realize there is a bigger picture and a lot of drugs do need to be clamped down on but the majority of drug arrests are for possession of cannabis .... is this really a good use of our police service ..... not to mention the money that could be made through decriminalization like what is happening across the world and in a lot of european countries at the moment .... if it was regulated and decriminalized the user would also get a safer product so it would be less harmful and also the country would reap the tax instead of all the profit going to the black market
Leftythelion .... i totally agree with you on the toothpaste thing but i wouldn't grab a tinnie .... i disagree with you on the part about "smoking pot effects you far longer than alcohol though" ..... like i said previously over consumption of any drug is bad for you but cannabis when used sensibly is a lot less harmful than probably most prescribed drugs and most legal drugs ..... the war on drugs costs the uk £16 billion every year and i realize there is a bigger picture and a lot of drugs do need to be clamped down on but the majority of drug arrests are for possession of cannabis .... is this really a good use of our police service ..... not to mention the money that could be made through decriminalization like what is happening across the world and in a lot of european countries at the moment .... if it was regulated and decriminalized the user would also get a safer product so it would be less harmful and also the country would reap the tax instead of all the profit going to the black market lv8151
  • Score: 0

9:11pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Beyond News Forum says...

lv8151 wrote:
Leftythelion .... i totally agree with you on the toothpaste thing but i wouldn't grab a tinnie .... i disagree with you on the part about "smoking pot effects you far longer than alcohol though" ..... like i said previously over consumption of any drug is bad for you but cannabis when used sensibly is a lot less harmful than probably most prescribed drugs and most legal drugs ..... the war on drugs costs the uk £16 billion every year and i realize there is a bigger picture and a lot of drugs do need to be clamped down on but the majority of drug arrests are for possession of cannabis .... is this really a good use of our police service ..... not to mention the money that could be made through decriminalization like what is happening across the world and in a lot of european countries at the moment .... if it was regulated and decriminalized the user would also get a safer product so it would be less harmful and also the country would reap the tax instead of all the profit going to the black market
This^
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: Leftythelion .... i totally agree with you on the toothpaste thing but i wouldn't grab a tinnie .... i disagree with you on the part about "smoking pot effects you far longer than alcohol though" ..... like i said previously over consumption of any drug is bad for you but cannabis when used sensibly is a lot less harmful than probably most prescribed drugs and most legal drugs ..... the war on drugs costs the uk £16 billion every year and i realize there is a bigger picture and a lot of drugs do need to be clamped down on but the majority of drug arrests are for possession of cannabis .... is this really a good use of our police service ..... not to mention the money that could be made through decriminalization like what is happening across the world and in a lot of european countries at the moment .... if it was regulated and decriminalized the user would also get a safer product so it would be less harmful and also the country would reap the tax instead of all the profit going to the black market[/p][/quote]This^ Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 0

9:26pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Leftythelion says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
There have been about 10 deaths solely attributed to weed in the last five years.

Now you compare that to 100,000 plus alcohol related deaths from liver failure and heart disorders (that affect people for years if they ever recover) in ONE YEAR alone. Not including drink driving incidents. Oh they do not count as affecting the lives of people forever do they not?

As for cigarettes... well if weed was cheaper and legal there would be no need to poison lungs with the lethal tobacco combination.

Weed does no damage to the lungs. In actual fact Cannabis helps blood flow and dilation. If you are in the medical profession you would know this and why WE are trying to lobby for common sense with a new wave of Cannabinoids, that are PROVEN to be effective against things like depression to arthritis and Parkinson's. And the pain of cancer, also research suggests some cancers may be cured eventually by Cannabinoids. So please... before you bleat, get buffed up.
Just for interests sake, as a person so highly qualified in health, could you give us some figures for admissions to mental wards due to drug induced psychosis and schizophrenia?
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: There have been about 10 deaths solely attributed to weed in the last five years. Now you compare that to 100,000 plus alcohol related deaths from liver failure and heart disorders (that affect people for years if they ever recover) in ONE YEAR alone. Not including drink driving incidents. Oh they do not count as affecting the lives of people forever do they not? As for cigarettes... well if weed was cheaper and legal there would be no need to poison lungs with the lethal tobacco combination. Weed does no damage to the lungs. In actual fact Cannabis helps blood flow and dilation. If you are in the medical profession you would know this and why WE are trying to lobby for common sense with a new wave of Cannabinoids, that are PROVEN to be effective against things like depression to arthritis and Parkinson's. And the pain of cancer, also research suggests some cancers may be cured eventually by Cannabinoids. So please... before you bleat, get buffed up.[/p][/quote]Just for interests sake, as a person so highly qualified in health, could you give us some figures for admissions to mental wards due to drug induced psychosis and schizophrenia? Leftythelion
  • Score: 1

10:14pm Thu 20 Feb 14

Jim271 says...

lol Beyond News Forum you are a liar and a sad pothead, 3 jobs , six degrees, your sad friends may believe that but anyone on here that believes it has been smoking far too much.

Your addiction is funding crime, and for he record I don't smoke or drink.
lol Beyond News Forum you are a liar and a sad pothead, 3 jobs , six degrees, your sad friends may believe that but anyone on here that believes it has been smoking far too much. Your addiction is funding crime, and for he record I don't smoke or drink. Jim271
  • Score: 1

10:24pm Thu 20 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
lol Legalise cannabis, an addictive drug which turns peoples brains to mush.

The people who smoke it are too stupid to think otherwise
It sounds like your brain went to mush already. Cannabis addiction is a myth attributed to prohibition fueled propaganda. Not a single scientist on the planet will state for the record that Cannabis is a killer addictive drug.

Go grab a legal killer off your local off licence shelf Jim and chill the hell out. Fag and beer in hand.

Give me some legit stats on weed addiction and death solely down to the use of Cannabis.

I can give you around 10,000 more for alcohol related deaths, a hundred thousand more for cigarette related deaths just in the UK alone.

In fact paracetamol and caffeine kill more people than weed does - fact.

Legal poisons in your bathroom and water can be attributed to more deaths in the UK than any deaths solely down to Cannabis use. But you are happily brushing your teeth and drinking that poison every day.

Wake up man.
Not often I agree with BNF, but on this issue I totally do agree!
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: lol Legalise cannabis, an addictive drug which turns peoples brains to mush. The people who smoke it are too stupid to think otherwise[/p][/quote]It sounds like your brain went to mush already. Cannabis addiction is a myth attributed to prohibition fueled propaganda. Not a single scientist on the planet will state for the record that Cannabis is a killer addictive drug. Go grab a legal killer off your local off licence shelf Jim and chill the hell out. Fag and beer in hand. Give me some legit stats on weed addiction and death solely down to the use of Cannabis. I can give you around 10,000 more for alcohol related deaths, a hundred thousand more for cigarette related deaths just in the UK alone. In fact paracetamol and caffeine kill more people than weed does - fact. Legal poisons in your bathroom and water can be attributed to more deaths in the UK than any deaths solely down to Cannabis use. But you are happily brushing your teeth and drinking that poison every day. Wake up man.[/p][/quote]Not often I agree with BNF, but on this issue I totally do agree! BWFC71
  • Score: -46

10:29pm Thu 20 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Jim271 wrote:
lol Beyond News Forum you are a liar and a sad pothead, 3 jobs , six degrees, your sad friends may believe that but anyone on here that believes it has been smoking far too much.

Your addiction is funding crime, and for he record I don't smoke or drink.
Jim271

In about 1/2 the US States it has become legalised and is making billions for those States.

In The Netherlands the cannabis trade makes about €10billion/year for the Dutch Government - and about €6billion/year for the Belgian market and aabout €8billion/year (in total) for the 3 German provinces that have legalised it.

If it became legal, then the so-called "funding crime" would disappear very quickly.

As it is I don't touch the stuff due to the smell of it which makes me feel sick! But I do know people who do smoke it and they are not addicted - if anything normal cigarettes are actually more addictive than joints!
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: lol Beyond News Forum you are a liar and a sad pothead, 3 jobs , six degrees, your sad friends may believe that but anyone on here that believes it has been smoking far too much. Your addiction is funding crime, and for he record I don't smoke or drink.[/p][/quote]Jim271 In about 1/2 the US States it has become legalised and is making billions for those States. In The Netherlands the cannabis trade makes about €10billion/year for the Dutch Government - and about €6billion/year for the Belgian market and aabout €8billion/year (in total) for the 3 German provinces that have legalised it. If it became legal, then the so-called "funding crime" would disappear very quickly. As it is I don't touch the stuff due to the smell of it which makes me feel sick! But I do know people who do smoke it and they are not addicted - if anything normal cigarettes are actually more addictive than joints! BWFC71
  • Score: -9

12:44am Fri 21 Feb 14

wez2026 says...

All that money you are wasting hemp can make clothes and everything more than the things to date stupid stupid stupid legalise medical marijuana
All that money you are wasting hemp can make clothes and everything more than the things to date stupid stupid stupid legalise medical marijuana wez2026
  • Score: 10

10:42am Fri 21 Feb 14

Jim271 says...

How did they get into the country in the first place, Student Visas stamped by the University of Bolton, I hope they get deported.
How did they get into the country in the first place, Student Visas stamped by the University of Bolton, I hope they get deported. Jim271
  • Score: 1

3:30pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Jim271 wrote:
lol Beyond News Forum you are a liar and a sad pothead, 3 jobs , six degrees, your sad friends may believe that but anyone on here that believes it has been smoking far too much.

Your addiction is funding crime, and for he record I don't smoke or drink.
I was being sarcastic, but yes I do have a high level of education and a decent job in a good medical field. Not that I need explain who I am or what I do to you. As for my friends... I couldn't ask for a better bunch of friends. We are not potheads or stoners - however you keep bleating about cannabis being bad, and I will keep throwing in your face the bigger dangers and killers out there that are cigarettes and alcohol. But because you are in tune with the gimmicks and shenanigans of mainstream politics and laws from the fraudulent powers that be in an elitist system throwing garbage advertizing and education your way, you can carry on your particular sad Bolton existence while me and mine, family and all will continue to be that one arrogant step ahead of you while we do whatever we want, whenever we want supporting a system that your good old self will never understand but your grandkids will embrace... BTW... FU don't even answer my comments again.
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: lol Beyond News Forum you are a liar and a sad pothead, 3 jobs , six degrees, your sad friends may believe that but anyone on here that believes it has been smoking far too much. Your addiction is funding crime, and for he record I don't smoke or drink.[/p][/quote]I was being sarcastic, but yes I do have a high level of education and a decent job in a good medical field. Not that I need explain who I am or what I do to you. As for my friends... I couldn't ask for a better bunch of friends. We are not potheads or stoners - however you keep bleating about cannabis being bad, and I will keep throwing in your face the bigger dangers and killers out there that are cigarettes and alcohol. But because you are in tune with the gimmicks and shenanigans of mainstream politics and laws from the fraudulent powers that be in an elitist system throwing garbage advertizing and education your way, you can carry on your particular sad Bolton existence while me and mine, family and all will continue to be that one arrogant step ahead of you while we do whatever we want, whenever we want supporting a system that your good old self will never understand but your grandkids will embrace... BTW... FU don't even answer my comments again. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -1

3:44pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Leftythelion wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
There have been about 10 deaths solely attributed to weed in the last five years.

Now you compare that to 100,000 plus alcohol related deaths from liver failure and heart disorders (that affect people for years if they ever recover) in ONE YEAR alone. Not including drink driving incidents. Oh they do not count as affecting the lives of people forever do they not?

As for cigarettes... well if weed was cheaper and legal there would be no need to poison lungs with the lethal tobacco combination.

Weed does no damage to the lungs. In actual fact Cannabis helps blood flow and dilation. If you are in the medical profession you would know this and why WE are trying to lobby for common sense with a new wave of Cannabinoids, that are PROVEN to be effective against things like depression to arthritis and Parkinson's. And the pain of cancer, also research suggests some cancers may be cured eventually by Cannabinoids. So please... before you bleat, get buffed up.
Just for interests sake, as a person so highly qualified in health, could you give us some figures for admissions to mental wards due to drug induced psychosis and schizophrenia?
Drug induced psychosis is fueled by much heavier drug use than cannabis. The myth that weed can induce hallucinations is now losing steam. Now factor in heroin, crack, cocaine and other drugs then you are getting somewhere. Of course psychosis is a problem due to hard class-A's and pharmaceuticals - and alcohol. But you CANNOT even class Cannabis in the same place as these other drugs. NOT AT ALL!

Talk to the police, talk to scientists and medical professionals all over the world and you will get the same answers. You may get a few that are strictly "stay away from weed" but will still prescribe you PROZAC.

Psychosis via weed is a rarity, if you are in mental health you will know this. In fact it is alcohol and stronger drugs and even legal highs that cause problems. Within many institutions I have graced over the years I have seen more psychosis which is attributed to over the counter pharmaceuticals and prescription drugs than any association to weed. Yes the mental health teams HAVE to include weed, just because the law within medicine dictates that all information garnered and all medicinal causes have to have an attributing factor or be itemized.

So you tell me who is costing the NHS more money - weed smokers?

Alcohol addiction?
Alcohol dependency?
Binge drinking?
Drink drivers?
Cigarette smokers?

FFS even Burger King munchers are causing more problems for the NHS than weed smokers.
[quote][p][bold]Leftythelion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: There have been about 10 deaths solely attributed to weed in the last five years. Now you compare that to 100,000 plus alcohol related deaths from liver failure and heart disorders (that affect people for years if they ever recover) in ONE YEAR alone. Not including drink driving incidents. Oh they do not count as affecting the lives of people forever do they not? As for cigarettes... well if weed was cheaper and legal there would be no need to poison lungs with the lethal tobacco combination. Weed does no damage to the lungs. In actual fact Cannabis helps blood flow and dilation. If you are in the medical profession you would know this and why WE are trying to lobby for common sense with a new wave of Cannabinoids, that are PROVEN to be effective against things like depression to arthritis and Parkinson's. And the pain of cancer, also research suggests some cancers may be cured eventually by Cannabinoids. So please... before you bleat, get buffed up.[/p][/quote]Just for interests sake, as a person so highly qualified in health, could you give us some figures for admissions to mental wards due to drug induced psychosis and schizophrenia?[/p][/quote]Drug induced psychosis is fueled by much heavier drug use than cannabis. The myth that weed can induce hallucinations is now losing steam. Now factor in heroin, crack, cocaine and other drugs then you are getting somewhere. Of course psychosis is a problem due to hard class-A's and pharmaceuticals - and alcohol. But you CANNOT even class Cannabis in the same place as these other drugs. NOT AT ALL! Talk to the police, talk to scientists and medical professionals all over the world and you will get the same answers. You may get a few that are strictly "stay away from weed" but will still prescribe you PROZAC. Psychosis via weed is a rarity, if you are in mental health you will know this. In fact it is alcohol and stronger drugs and even legal highs that cause problems. Within many institutions I have graced over the years I have seen more psychosis which is attributed to over the counter pharmaceuticals and prescription drugs than any association to weed. Yes the mental health teams HAVE to include weed, just because the law within medicine dictates that all information garnered and all medicinal causes have to have an attributing factor or be itemized. So you tell me who is costing the NHS more money - weed smokers? Alcohol addiction? Alcohol dependency? Binge drinking? Drink drivers? Cigarette smokers? FFS even Burger King munchers are causing more problems for the NHS than weed smokers. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -1

3:47pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Jim271 wrote:
lol Beyond News Forum you are a liar and a sad pothead, 3 jobs , six degrees, your sad friends may believe that but anyone on here that believes it has been smoking far too much.

Your addiction is funding crime, and for he record I don't smoke or drink.
Oh as for addiction - go search out what addiction is.

Who's funding crime? Not I and nor do I have an addiction with a once in a blue moon smoke.

You will find your beloved government is funding far more crime on this planet than a 'OOOoooo' oh so bad pot smoker.
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: lol Beyond News Forum you are a liar and a sad pothead, 3 jobs , six degrees, your sad friends may believe that but anyone on here that believes it has been smoking far too much. Your addiction is funding crime, and for he record I don't smoke or drink.[/p][/quote]Oh as for addiction - go search out what addiction is. Who's funding crime? Not I and nor do I have an addiction with a once in a blue moon smoke. You will find your beloved government is funding far more crime on this planet than a 'OOOoooo' oh so bad pot smoker. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -1

5:17pm Fri 21 Feb 14

lv8151 says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Leftythelion wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
There have been about 10 deaths solely attributed to weed in the last five years.

Now you compare that to 100,000 plus alcohol related deaths from liver failure and heart disorders (that affect people for years if they ever recover) in ONE YEAR alone. Not including drink driving incidents. Oh they do not count as affecting the lives of people forever do they not?

As for cigarettes... well if weed was cheaper and legal there would be no need to poison lungs with the lethal tobacco combination.

Weed does no damage to the lungs. In actual fact Cannabis helps blood flow and dilation. If you are in the medical profession you would know this and why WE are trying to lobby for common sense with a new wave of Cannabinoids, that are PROVEN to be effective against things like depression to arthritis and Parkinson's. And the pain of cancer, also research suggests some cancers may be cured eventually by Cannabinoids. So please... before you bleat, get buffed up.
Just for interests sake, as a person so highly qualified in health, could you give us some figures for admissions to mental wards due to drug induced psychosis and schizophrenia?
Drug induced psychosis is fueled by much heavier drug use than cannabis. The myth that weed can induce hallucinations is now losing steam. Now factor in heroin, crack, cocaine and other drugs then you are getting somewhere. Of course psychosis is a problem due to hard class-A's and pharmaceuticals - and alcohol. But you CANNOT even class Cannabis in the same place as these other drugs. NOT AT ALL!

Talk to the police, talk to scientists and medical professionals all over the world and you will get the same answers. You may get a few that are strictly "stay away from weed" but will still prescribe you PROZAC.

Psychosis via weed is a rarity, if you are in mental health you will know this. In fact it is alcohol and stronger drugs and even legal highs that cause problems. Within many institutions I have graced over the years I have seen more psychosis which is attributed to over the counter pharmaceuticals and prescription drugs than any association to weed. Yes the mental health teams HAVE to include weed, just because the law within medicine dictates that all information garnered and all medicinal causes have to have an attributing factor or be itemized.

So you tell me who is costing the NHS more money - weed smokers?

Alcohol addiction?
Alcohol dependency?
Binge drinking?
Drink drivers?
Cigarette smokers?

FFS even Burger King munchers are causing more problems for the NHS than weed smokers.
well said .... i too still cannot believe that some people today still believe the REEFER MADNESS b/s put out by the government
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Leftythelion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: There have been about 10 deaths solely attributed to weed in the last five years. Now you compare that to 100,000 plus alcohol related deaths from liver failure and heart disorders (that affect people for years if they ever recover) in ONE YEAR alone. Not including drink driving incidents. Oh they do not count as affecting the lives of people forever do they not? As for cigarettes... well if weed was cheaper and legal there would be no need to poison lungs with the lethal tobacco combination. Weed does no damage to the lungs. In actual fact Cannabis helps blood flow and dilation. If you are in the medical profession you would know this and why WE are trying to lobby for common sense with a new wave of Cannabinoids, that are PROVEN to be effective against things like depression to arthritis and Parkinson's. And the pain of cancer, also research suggests some cancers may be cured eventually by Cannabinoids. So please... before you bleat, get buffed up.[/p][/quote]Just for interests sake, as a person so highly qualified in health, could you give us some figures for admissions to mental wards due to drug induced psychosis and schizophrenia?[/p][/quote]Drug induced psychosis is fueled by much heavier drug use than cannabis. The myth that weed can induce hallucinations is now losing steam. Now factor in heroin, crack, cocaine and other drugs then you are getting somewhere. Of course psychosis is a problem due to hard class-A's and pharmaceuticals - and alcohol. But you CANNOT even class Cannabis in the same place as these other drugs. NOT AT ALL! Talk to the police, talk to scientists and medical professionals all over the world and you will get the same answers. You may get a few that are strictly "stay away from weed" but will still prescribe you PROZAC. Psychosis via weed is a rarity, if you are in mental health you will know this. In fact it is alcohol and stronger drugs and even legal highs that cause problems. Within many institutions I have graced over the years I have seen more psychosis which is attributed to over the counter pharmaceuticals and prescription drugs than any association to weed. Yes the mental health teams HAVE to include weed, just because the law within medicine dictates that all information garnered and all medicinal causes have to have an attributing factor or be itemized. So you tell me who is costing the NHS more money - weed smokers? Alcohol addiction? Alcohol dependency? Binge drinking? Drink drivers? Cigarette smokers? FFS even Burger King munchers are causing more problems for the NHS than weed smokers.[/p][/quote]well said .... i too still cannot believe that some people today still believe the REEFER MADNESS b/s put out by the government lv8151
  • Score: -2

10:37am Sat 22 Feb 14

Dr Martin says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Leftythelion wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
There have been about 10 deaths solely attributed to weed in the last five years.

Now you compare that to 100,000 plus alcohol related deaths from liver failure and heart disorders (that affect people for years if they ever recover) in ONE YEAR alone. Not including drink driving incidents. Oh they do not count as affecting the lives of people forever do they not?

As for cigarettes... well if weed was cheaper and legal there would be no need to poison lungs with the lethal tobacco combination.

Weed does no damage to the lungs. In actual fact Cannabis helps blood flow and dilation. If you are in the medical profession you would know this and why WE are trying to lobby for common sense with a new wave of Cannabinoids, that are PROVEN to be effective against things like depression to arthritis and Parkinson's. And the pain of cancer, also research suggests some cancers may be cured eventually by Cannabinoids. So please... before you bleat, get buffed up.
Just for interests sake, as a person so highly qualified in health, could you give us some figures for admissions to mental wards due to drug induced psychosis and schizophrenia?
Drug induced psychosis is fueled by much heavier drug use than cannabis. The myth that weed can induce hallucinations is now losing steam. Now factor in heroin, crack, cocaine and other drugs then you are getting somewhere. Of course psychosis is a problem due to hard class-A's and pharmaceuticals - and alcohol. But you CANNOT even class Cannabis in the same place as these other drugs. NOT AT ALL!

Talk to the police, talk to scientists and medical professionals all over the world and you will get the same answers. You may get a few that are strictly "stay away from weed" but will still prescribe you PROZAC.

Psychosis via weed is a rarity, if you are in mental health you will know this. In fact it is alcohol and stronger drugs and even legal highs that cause problems. Within many institutions I have graced over the years I have seen more psychosis which is attributed to over the counter pharmaceuticals and prescription drugs than any association to weed. Yes the mental health teams HAVE to include weed, just because the law within medicine dictates that all information garnered and all medicinal causes have to have an attributing factor or be itemized.

So you tell me who is costing the NHS more money - weed smokers?

Alcohol addiction?
Alcohol dependency?
Binge drinking?
Drink drivers?
Cigarette smokers?

FFS even Burger King munchers are causing more problems for the NHS than weed smokers.
I would agree the harms of Alcohol and tobacco are overall greater than cannabis but whilst those two are legal, why would you want to leaglise another harmful drug?
A recent review of prospective cohort studies has suggested that cannabis statistically doubles the risk of developing schizophrenia on the individual level, and may, if a causal relationship is assumed, be responsible for up to 8% of cases in the population
(Wikipedia)
"Clinicians agree that cannabis use can cause acute adverse mental effects that mimic psychiatric disorders, such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Although there is good evidence to support this, the connections are complex and not fully understood"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.
nih.gov/pmc/articles
/PMC2811144/

Also in 2005 research by Robin Murray of the London Institute of Psychiatry – eg: Marta DiForti & Robin Murray – found that those who smoked cannabis regularly at 18 were 1.6 times more likely to suffer serious psychiatric problems, including Schizophrenia, by their mid-20s. For those who were regular users by 15, the risk of mental illness by the age of 26 was 4.5 times greater than normal.

Further Dutch, German and New Zealand studies have all found a relationship between regular cannabis use and psychosis, with heavy cannabis users doubling or tripling their risk of psychosis.
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Leftythelion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: There have been about 10 deaths solely attributed to weed in the last five years. Now you compare that to 100,000 plus alcohol related deaths from liver failure and heart disorders (that affect people for years if they ever recover) in ONE YEAR alone. Not including drink driving incidents. Oh they do not count as affecting the lives of people forever do they not? As for cigarettes... well if weed was cheaper and legal there would be no need to poison lungs with the lethal tobacco combination. Weed does no damage to the lungs. In actual fact Cannabis helps blood flow and dilation. If you are in the medical profession you would know this and why WE are trying to lobby for common sense with a new wave of Cannabinoids, that are PROVEN to be effective against things like depression to arthritis and Parkinson's. And the pain of cancer, also research suggests some cancers may be cured eventually by Cannabinoids. So please... before you bleat, get buffed up.[/p][/quote]Just for interests sake, as a person so highly qualified in health, could you give us some figures for admissions to mental wards due to drug induced psychosis and schizophrenia?[/p][/quote]Drug induced psychosis is fueled by much heavier drug use than cannabis. The myth that weed can induce hallucinations is now losing steam. Now factor in heroin, crack, cocaine and other drugs then you are getting somewhere. Of course psychosis is a problem due to hard class-A's and pharmaceuticals - and alcohol. But you CANNOT even class Cannabis in the same place as these other drugs. NOT AT ALL! Talk to the police, talk to scientists and medical professionals all over the world and you will get the same answers. You may get a few that are strictly "stay away from weed" but will still prescribe you PROZAC. Psychosis via weed is a rarity, if you are in mental health you will know this. In fact it is alcohol and stronger drugs and even legal highs that cause problems. Within many institutions I have graced over the years I have seen more psychosis which is attributed to over the counter pharmaceuticals and prescription drugs than any association to weed. Yes the mental health teams HAVE to include weed, just because the law within medicine dictates that all information garnered and all medicinal causes have to have an attributing factor or be itemized. So you tell me who is costing the NHS more money - weed smokers? Alcohol addiction? Alcohol dependency? Binge drinking? Drink drivers? Cigarette smokers? FFS even Burger King munchers are causing more problems for the NHS than weed smokers.[/p][/quote]I would agree the harms of Alcohol and tobacco are overall greater than cannabis but whilst those two are legal, why would you want to leaglise another harmful drug? A recent review of prospective cohort studies has suggested that cannabis statistically doubles the risk of developing schizophrenia on the individual level, and may, if a causal relationship is assumed, be responsible for up to 8% of cases in the population (Wikipedia) "Clinicians agree that cannabis use can cause acute adverse mental effects that mimic psychiatric disorders, such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Although there is good evidence to support this, the connections are complex and not fully understood" http://www.ncbi.nlm. nih.gov/pmc/articles /PMC2811144/ Also in 2005 research by Robin Murray of the London Institute of Psychiatry – eg: Marta DiForti & Robin Murray – found that those who smoked cannabis regularly at 18 were 1.6 times more likely to suffer serious psychiatric problems, including Schizophrenia, by their mid-20s. For those who were regular users by 15, the risk of mental illness by the age of 26 was 4.5 times greater than normal. Further Dutch, German and New Zealand studies have all found a relationship between regular cannabis use and psychosis, with heavy cannabis users doubling or tripling their risk of psychosis. Dr Martin
  • Score: 0

11:36am Sat 22 Feb 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Leftythelion wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
There have been about 10 deaths solely attributed to weed in the last five years.

Now you compare that to 100,000 plus alcohol related deaths from liver failure and heart disorders (that affect people for years if they ever recover) in ONE YEAR alone. Not including drink driving incidents. Oh they do not count as affecting the lives of people forever do they not?

As for cigarettes... well if weed was cheaper and legal there would be no need to poison lungs with the lethal tobacco combination.

Weed does no damage to the lungs. In actual fact Cannabis helps blood flow and dilation. If you are in the medical profession you would know this and why WE are trying to lobby for common sense with a new wave of Cannabinoids, that are PROVEN to be effective against things like depression to arthritis and Parkinson's. And the pain of cancer, also research suggests some cancers may be cured eventually by Cannabinoids. So please... before you bleat, get buffed up.
Just for interests sake, as a person so highly qualified in health, could you give us some figures for admissions to mental wards due to drug induced psychosis and schizophrenia?
Drug induced psychosis is fueled by much heavier drug use than cannabis. The myth that weed can induce hallucinations is now losing steam. Now factor in heroin, crack, cocaine and other drugs then you are getting somewhere. Of course psychosis is a problem due to hard class-A's and pharmaceuticals - and alcohol. But you CANNOT even class Cannabis in the same place as these other drugs. NOT AT ALL!

Talk to the police, talk to scientists and medical professionals all over the world and you will get the same answers. You may get a few that are strictly "stay away from weed" but will still prescribe you PROZAC.

Psychosis via weed is a rarity, if you are in mental health you will know this. In fact it is alcohol and stronger drugs and even legal highs that cause problems. Within many institutions I have graced over the years I have seen more psychosis which is attributed to over the counter pharmaceuticals and prescription drugs than any association to weed. Yes the mental health teams HAVE to include weed, just because the law within medicine dictates that all information garnered and all medicinal causes have to have an attributing factor or be itemized.

So you tell me who is costing the NHS more money - weed smokers?

Alcohol addiction?
Alcohol dependency?
Binge drinking?
Drink drivers?
Cigarette smokers?

FFS even Burger King munchers are causing more problems for the NHS than weed smokers.
I would agree the harms of Alcohol and tobacco are overall greater than cannabis but whilst those two are legal, why would you want to leaglise another harmful drug?
A recent review of prospective cohort studies has suggested that cannabis statistically doubles the risk of developing schizophrenia on the individual level, and may, if a causal relationship is assumed, be responsible for up to 8% of cases in the population
(Wikipedia)
"Clinicians agree that cannabis use can cause acute adverse mental effects that mimic psychiatric disorders, such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Although there is good evidence to support this, the connections are complex and not fully understood"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.

nih.gov/pmc/articles

/PMC2811144/

Also in 2005 research by Robin Murray of the London Institute of Psychiatry – eg: Marta DiForti & Robin Murray – found that those who smoked cannabis regularly at 18 were 1.6 times more likely to suffer serious psychiatric problems, including Schizophrenia, by their mid-20s. For those who were regular users by 15, the risk of mental illness by the age of 26 was 4.5 times greater than normal.

Further Dutch, German and New Zealand studies have all found a relationship between regular cannabis use and psychosis, with heavy cannabis users doubling or tripling their risk of psychosis.
Quote Wikipedia hahahaha.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Leftythelion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: There have been about 10 deaths solely attributed to weed in the last five years. Now you compare that to 100,000 plus alcohol related deaths from liver failure and heart disorders (that affect people for years if they ever recover) in ONE YEAR alone. Not including drink driving incidents. Oh they do not count as affecting the lives of people forever do they not? As for cigarettes... well if weed was cheaper and legal there would be no need to poison lungs with the lethal tobacco combination. Weed does no damage to the lungs. In actual fact Cannabis helps blood flow and dilation. If you are in the medical profession you would know this and why WE are trying to lobby for common sense with a new wave of Cannabinoids, that are PROVEN to be effective against things like depression to arthritis and Parkinson's. And the pain of cancer, also research suggests some cancers may be cured eventually by Cannabinoids. So please... before you bleat, get buffed up.[/p][/quote]Just for interests sake, as a person so highly qualified in health, could you give us some figures for admissions to mental wards due to drug induced psychosis and schizophrenia?[/p][/quote]Drug induced psychosis is fueled by much heavier drug use than cannabis. The myth that weed can induce hallucinations is now losing steam. Now factor in heroin, crack, cocaine and other drugs then you are getting somewhere. Of course psychosis is a problem due to hard class-A's and pharmaceuticals - and alcohol. But you CANNOT even class Cannabis in the same place as these other drugs. NOT AT ALL! Talk to the police, talk to scientists and medical professionals all over the world and you will get the same answers. You may get a few that are strictly "stay away from weed" but will still prescribe you PROZAC. Psychosis via weed is a rarity, if you are in mental health you will know this. In fact it is alcohol and stronger drugs and even legal highs that cause problems. Within many institutions I have graced over the years I have seen more psychosis which is attributed to over the counter pharmaceuticals and prescription drugs than any association to weed. Yes the mental health teams HAVE to include weed, just because the law within medicine dictates that all information garnered and all medicinal causes have to have an attributing factor or be itemized. So you tell me who is costing the NHS more money - weed smokers? Alcohol addiction? Alcohol dependency? Binge drinking? Drink drivers? Cigarette smokers? FFS even Burger King munchers are causing more problems for the NHS than weed smokers.[/p][/quote]I would agree the harms of Alcohol and tobacco are overall greater than cannabis but whilst those two are legal, why would you want to leaglise another harmful drug? A recent review of prospective cohort studies has suggested that cannabis statistically doubles the risk of developing schizophrenia on the individual level, and may, if a causal relationship is assumed, be responsible for up to 8% of cases in the population (Wikipedia) "Clinicians agree that cannabis use can cause acute adverse mental effects that mimic psychiatric disorders, such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Although there is good evidence to support this, the connections are complex and not fully understood" http://www.ncbi.nlm. nih.gov/pmc/articles /PMC2811144/ Also in 2005 research by Robin Murray of the London Institute of Psychiatry – eg: Marta DiForti & Robin Murray – found that those who smoked cannabis regularly at 18 were 1.6 times more likely to suffer serious psychiatric problems, including Schizophrenia, by their mid-20s. For those who were regular users by 15, the risk of mental illness by the age of 26 was 4.5 times greater than normal. Further Dutch, German and New Zealand studies have all found a relationship between regular cannabis use and psychosis, with heavy cannabis users doubling or tripling their risk of psychosis.[/p][/quote]Quote Wikipedia hahahaha. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -3

12:07pm Sat 22 Feb 14

SleepingThunder says...

I think there is a strong argument for makeing cannibis legal at the moment,Free up much needed police resources,Put money into economy & take money away from organised crime.
As fast as they take a cannibis grow down there will be two or three to take its place & often landlords are in on the scam.
Floride has no benefit to anyone it is a poison.
I think there is a strong argument for makeing cannibis legal at the moment,Free up much needed police resources,Put money into economy & take money away from organised crime. As fast as they take a cannibis grow down there will be two or three to take its place & often landlords are in on the scam. Floride has no benefit to anyone it is a poison. SleepingThunder
  • Score: 3

12:51pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Dr Martin says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Leftythelion wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
There have been about 10 deaths solely attributed to weed in the last five years.

Now you compare that to 100,000 plus alcohol related deaths from liver failure and heart disorders (that affect people for years if they ever recover) in ONE YEAR alone. Not including drink driving incidents. Oh they do not count as affecting the lives of people forever do they not?

As for cigarettes... well if weed was cheaper and legal there would be no need to poison lungs with the lethal tobacco combination.

Weed does no damage to the lungs. In actual fact Cannabis helps blood flow and dilation. If you are in the medical profession you would know this and why WE are trying to lobby for common sense with a new wave of Cannabinoids, that are PROVEN to be effective against things like depression to arthritis and Parkinson's. And the pain of cancer, also research suggests some cancers may be cured eventually by Cannabinoids. So please... before you bleat, get buffed up.
Just for interests sake, as a person so highly qualified in health, could you give us some figures for admissions to mental wards due to drug induced psychosis and schizophrenia?
Drug induced psychosis is fueled by much heavier drug use than cannabis. The myth that weed can induce hallucinations is now losing steam. Now factor in heroin, crack, cocaine and other drugs then you are getting somewhere. Of course psychosis is a problem due to hard class-A's and pharmaceuticals - and alcohol. But you CANNOT even class Cannabis in the same place as these other drugs. NOT AT ALL!

Talk to the police, talk to scientists and medical professionals all over the world and you will get the same answers. You may get a few that are strictly "stay away from weed" but will still prescribe you PROZAC.

Psychosis via weed is a rarity, if you are in mental health you will know this. In fact it is alcohol and stronger drugs and even legal highs that cause problems. Within many institutions I have graced over the years I have seen more psychosis which is attributed to over the counter pharmaceuticals and prescription drugs than any association to weed. Yes the mental health teams HAVE to include weed, just because the law within medicine dictates that all information garnered and all medicinal causes have to have an attributing factor or be itemized.

So you tell me who is costing the NHS more money - weed smokers?

Alcohol addiction?
Alcohol dependency?
Binge drinking?
Drink drivers?
Cigarette smokers?

FFS even Burger King munchers are causing more problems for the NHS than weed smokers.
I would agree the harms of Alcohol and tobacco are overall greater than cannabis but whilst those two are legal, why would you want to leaglise another harmful drug?
A recent review of prospective cohort studies has suggested that cannabis statistically doubles the risk of developing schizophrenia on the individual level, and may, if a causal relationship is assumed, be responsible for up to 8% of cases in the population
(Wikipedia)
"Clinicians agree that cannabis use can cause acute adverse mental effects that mimic psychiatric disorders, such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Although there is good evidence to support this, the connections are complex and not fully understood"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.


nih.gov/pmc/articles


/PMC2811144/

Also in 2005 research by Robin Murray of the London Institute of Psychiatry – eg: Marta DiForti & Robin Murray – found that those who smoked cannabis regularly at 18 were 1.6 times more likely to suffer serious psychiatric problems, including Schizophrenia, by their mid-20s. For those who were regular users by 15, the risk of mental illness by the age of 26 was 4.5 times greater than normal.

Further Dutch, German and New Zealand studies have all found a relationship between regular cannabis use and psychosis, with heavy cannabis users doubling or tripling their risk of psychosis.
Quote Wikipedia hahahaha.
...and of course you have a better source of information?

obviously our views on cannabis a very different however unlike BWFC71 and
lv8151 who can debate without resorting to foul mouthed rants that you continually post, Please think before you post in the future
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Leftythelion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: There have been about 10 deaths solely attributed to weed in the last five years. Now you compare that to 100,000 plus alcohol related deaths from liver failure and heart disorders (that affect people for years if they ever recover) in ONE YEAR alone. Not including drink driving incidents. Oh they do not count as affecting the lives of people forever do they not? As for cigarettes... well if weed was cheaper and legal there would be no need to poison lungs with the lethal tobacco combination. Weed does no damage to the lungs. In actual fact Cannabis helps blood flow and dilation. If you are in the medical profession you would know this and why WE are trying to lobby for common sense with a new wave of Cannabinoids, that are PROVEN to be effective against things like depression to arthritis and Parkinson's. And the pain of cancer, also research suggests some cancers may be cured eventually by Cannabinoids. So please... before you bleat, get buffed up.[/p][/quote]Just for interests sake, as a person so highly qualified in health, could you give us some figures for admissions to mental wards due to drug induced psychosis and schizophrenia?[/p][/quote]Drug induced psychosis is fueled by much heavier drug use than cannabis. The myth that weed can induce hallucinations is now losing steam. Now factor in heroin, crack, cocaine and other drugs then you are getting somewhere. Of course psychosis is a problem due to hard class-A's and pharmaceuticals - and alcohol. But you CANNOT even class Cannabis in the same place as these other drugs. NOT AT ALL! Talk to the police, talk to scientists and medical professionals all over the world and you will get the same answers. You may get a few that are strictly "stay away from weed" but will still prescribe you PROZAC. Psychosis via weed is a rarity, if you are in mental health you will know this. In fact it is alcohol and stronger drugs and even legal highs that cause problems. Within many institutions I have graced over the years I have seen more psychosis which is attributed to over the counter pharmaceuticals and prescription drugs than any association to weed. Yes the mental health teams HAVE to include weed, just because the law within medicine dictates that all information garnered and all medicinal causes have to have an attributing factor or be itemized. So you tell me who is costing the NHS more money - weed smokers? Alcohol addiction? Alcohol dependency? Binge drinking? Drink drivers? Cigarette smokers? FFS even Burger King munchers are causing more problems for the NHS than weed smokers.[/p][/quote]I would agree the harms of Alcohol and tobacco are overall greater than cannabis but whilst those two are legal, why would you want to leaglise another harmful drug? A recent review of prospective cohort studies has suggested that cannabis statistically doubles the risk of developing schizophrenia on the individual level, and may, if a causal relationship is assumed, be responsible for up to 8% of cases in the population (Wikipedia) "Clinicians agree that cannabis use can cause acute adverse mental effects that mimic psychiatric disorders, such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Although there is good evidence to support this, the connections are complex and not fully understood" http://www.ncbi.nlm. nih.gov/pmc/articles /PMC2811144/ Also in 2005 research by Robin Murray of the London Institute of Psychiatry – eg: Marta DiForti & Robin Murray – found that those who smoked cannabis regularly at 18 were 1.6 times more likely to suffer serious psychiatric problems, including Schizophrenia, by their mid-20s. For those who were regular users by 15, the risk of mental illness by the age of 26 was 4.5 times greater than normal. Further Dutch, German and New Zealand studies have all found a relationship between regular cannabis use and psychosis, with heavy cannabis users doubling or tripling their risk of psychosis.[/p][/quote]Quote Wikipedia hahahaha.[/p][/quote]...and of course you have a better source of information? obviously our views on cannabis a very different however unlike BWFC71 and lv8151 who can debate without resorting to foul mouthed rants that you continually post, Please think before you post in the future Dr Martin
  • Score: 0

1:28pm Sat 22 Feb 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Leftythelion wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
There have been about 10 deaths solely attributed to weed in the last five years.

Now you compare that to 100,000 plus alcohol related deaths from liver failure and heart disorders (that affect people for years if they ever recover) in ONE YEAR alone. Not including drink driving incidents. Oh they do not count as affecting the lives of people forever do they not?

As for cigarettes... well if weed was cheaper and legal there would be no need to poison lungs with the lethal tobacco combination.

Weed does no damage to the lungs. In actual fact Cannabis helps blood flow and dilation. If you are in the medical profession you would know this and why WE are trying to lobby for common sense with a new wave of Cannabinoids, that are PROVEN to be effective against things like depression to arthritis and Parkinson's. And the pain of cancer, also research suggests some cancers may be cured eventually by Cannabinoids. So please... before you bleat, get buffed up.
Just for interests sake, as a person so highly qualified in health, could you give us some figures for admissions to mental wards due to drug induced psychosis and schizophrenia?
Drug induced psychosis is fueled by much heavier drug use than cannabis. The myth that weed can induce hallucinations is now losing steam. Now factor in heroin, crack, cocaine and other drugs then you are getting somewhere. Of course psychosis is a problem due to hard class-A's and pharmaceuticals - and alcohol. But you CANNOT even class Cannabis in the same place as these other drugs. NOT AT ALL!

Talk to the police, talk to scientists and medical professionals all over the world and you will get the same answers. You may get a few that are strictly "stay away from weed" but will still prescribe you PROZAC.

Psychosis via weed is a rarity, if you are in mental health you will know this. In fact it is alcohol and stronger drugs and even legal highs that cause problems. Within many institutions I have graced over the years I have seen more psychosis which is attributed to over the counter pharmaceuticals and prescription drugs than any association to weed. Yes the mental health teams HAVE to include weed, just because the law within medicine dictates that all information garnered and all medicinal causes have to have an attributing factor or be itemized.

So you tell me who is costing the NHS more money - weed smokers?

Alcohol addiction?
Alcohol dependency?
Binge drinking?
Drink drivers?
Cigarette smokers?

FFS even Burger King munchers are causing more problems for the NHS than weed smokers.
I would agree the harms of Alcohol and tobacco are overall greater than cannabis but whilst those two are legal, why would you want to leaglise another harmful drug?
A recent review of prospective cohort studies has suggested that cannabis statistically doubles the risk of developing schizophrenia on the individual level, and may, if a causal relationship is assumed, be responsible for up to 8% of cases in the population
(Wikipedia)
"Clinicians agree that cannabis use can cause acute adverse mental effects that mimic psychiatric disorders, such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Although there is good evidence to support this, the connections are complex and not fully understood"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.



nih.gov/pmc/articles



/PMC2811144/

Also in 2005 research by Robin Murray of the London Institute of Psychiatry – eg: Marta DiForti & Robin Murray – found that those who smoked cannabis regularly at 18 were 1.6 times more likely to suffer serious psychiatric problems, including Schizophrenia, by their mid-20s. For those who were regular users by 15, the risk of mental illness by the age of 26 was 4.5 times greater than normal.

Further Dutch, German and New Zealand studies have all found a relationship between regular cannabis use and psychosis, with heavy cannabis users doubling or tripling their risk of psychosis.
Quote Wikipedia hahahaha.
...and of course you have a better source of information?

obviously our views on cannabis a very different however unlike BWFC71 and
lv8151 who can debate without resorting to foul mouthed rants that you continually post, Please think before you post in the future
I can;t help having passion. Sometimes that is worded with a tirade. I attack when attacked, I make asinine less structured foul mouth comments because I grew up to speak my mind.

Yes I am foul mouthed, I say it as it is. If I offend you then so be it, there is no room for **** footing around anymore in this world. I am sick of censorship and the PC brigade - I have liberty and freedom to say what I want when I want without being racist or hateful. But if the hate comes to me I can lash out - and that is what I have done. I will not apologize.

You will find a better set of journals and peer reviewed studies at most university websites.

Look I do not disagree that over use of any substance including cannabis can be destructive, but to flat out state that cannabis is all consuming and dangerous, a danger to life is wrong. There are absolutely NO studies or facts that can testify to that being the truth of the matter. Yes there is a lot of digression - if you are indeed a doctor then you will of course know of the countless debates to try and rectify the problems within prohibition and the receptiveness of human illnesses to certain cannabis medicines that ARE now being produced by BigPharma.

I think we are both big enough and clever enough to accept that on both sides there is strong debate and feelings towards the cannabis topic. My problems lay in the very institutions that have brainwashed people into consumerism and ignorance to actual facts. People are all to ready to take for gospel what the media throws at them, when the facts of the matter are very much different.

As I have stated above - you can ask almost any chief of police, any high standing GP, law makers and some in government and a great many respected and well known scientists their feelings on cannabis. You will find that they tend to agree on cannabis legalities and its benefits to medicine.

Wikipedia - I am sorry for pulling you on that Dr Martin... but you do realize that Wikipedia is hardly a source to quote from because the facts can be edited by anyone?

And for my tirades of obvious smoke fueled insanity and schizophrenic tendencies from my apparent addiction - I apologize - But my comments would be as boring as many others here on these boards if I just pandered to the PC brigade, common decency and politeness lol.

Your other source was quite okay - but the statistics in mental health are on a minimalistic scale. If the statistics stood up, we would actually be seeing the wards overcrowded with cannabis induced psychosis. The fact of the matter is very different. Cannabis is an attributing factor in most cases to:

LSD
MDMA
Alcohol
Tranquilizers
Pharmaceutical anti-depressants

For the most mental health is inundated with people having nervous breakdowns due to relationships, natural neurological pathogens, bi-polar disorder and countless other brain disorders that have absolutely no association to cannabis use.

Take a walk up to the old K2 wards and ask what percentage of people on the ward are there as a direct result of cannabis use. You will find as is at many other institutions that the ratios are too small to even consider cannabis as such a huge danger and cost to life, or the NHS. You should do this quick before the wards are shifted over to Prestwich.

Peace
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Leftythelion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: There have been about 10 deaths solely attributed to weed in the last five years. Now you compare that to 100,000 plus alcohol related deaths from liver failure and heart disorders (that affect people for years if they ever recover) in ONE YEAR alone. Not including drink driving incidents. Oh they do not count as affecting the lives of people forever do they not? As for cigarettes... well if weed was cheaper and legal there would be no need to poison lungs with the lethal tobacco combination. Weed does no damage to the lungs. In actual fact Cannabis helps blood flow and dilation. If you are in the medical profession you would know this and why WE are trying to lobby for common sense with a new wave of Cannabinoids, that are PROVEN to be effective against things like depression to arthritis and Parkinson's. And the pain of cancer, also research suggests some cancers may be cured eventually by Cannabinoids. So please... before you bleat, get buffed up.[/p][/quote]Just for interests sake, as a person so highly qualified in health, could you give us some figures for admissions to mental wards due to drug induced psychosis and schizophrenia?[/p][/quote]Drug induced psychosis is fueled by much heavier drug use than cannabis. The myth that weed can induce hallucinations is now losing steam. Now factor in heroin, crack, cocaine and other drugs then you are getting somewhere. Of course psychosis is a problem due to hard class-A's and pharmaceuticals - and alcohol. But you CANNOT even class Cannabis in the same place as these other drugs. NOT AT ALL! Talk to the police, talk to scientists and medical professionals all over the world and you will get the same answers. You may get a few that are strictly "stay away from weed" but will still prescribe you PROZAC. Psychosis via weed is a rarity, if you are in mental health you will know this. In fact it is alcohol and stronger drugs and even legal highs that cause problems. Within many institutions I have graced over the years I have seen more psychosis which is attributed to over the counter pharmaceuticals and prescription drugs than any association to weed. Yes the mental health teams HAVE to include weed, just because the law within medicine dictates that all information garnered and all medicinal causes have to have an attributing factor or be itemized. So you tell me who is costing the NHS more money - weed smokers? Alcohol addiction? Alcohol dependency? Binge drinking? Drink drivers? Cigarette smokers? FFS even Burger King munchers are causing more problems for the NHS than weed smokers.[/p][/quote]I would agree the harms of Alcohol and tobacco are overall greater than cannabis but whilst those two are legal, why would you want to leaglise another harmful drug? A recent review of prospective cohort studies has suggested that cannabis statistically doubles the risk of developing schizophrenia on the individual level, and may, if a causal relationship is assumed, be responsible for up to 8% of cases in the population (Wikipedia) "Clinicians agree that cannabis use can cause acute adverse mental effects that mimic psychiatric disorders, such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Although there is good evidence to support this, the connections are complex and not fully understood" http://www.ncbi.nlm. nih.gov/pmc/articles /PMC2811144/ Also in 2005 research by Robin Murray of the London Institute of Psychiatry – eg: Marta DiForti & Robin Murray – found that those who smoked cannabis regularly at 18 were 1.6 times more likely to suffer serious psychiatric problems, including Schizophrenia, by their mid-20s. For those who were regular users by 15, the risk of mental illness by the age of 26 was 4.5 times greater than normal. Further Dutch, German and New Zealand studies have all found a relationship between regular cannabis use and psychosis, with heavy cannabis users doubling or tripling their risk of psychosis.[/p][/quote]Quote Wikipedia hahahaha.[/p][/quote]...and of course you have a better source of information? obviously our views on cannabis a very different however unlike BWFC71 and lv8151 who can debate without resorting to foul mouthed rants that you continually post, Please think before you post in the future[/p][/quote]I can;t help having passion. Sometimes that is worded with a tirade. I attack when attacked, I make asinine less structured foul mouth comments because I grew up to speak my mind. Yes I am foul mouthed, I say it as it is. If I offend you then so be it, there is no room for **** footing around anymore in this world. I am sick of censorship and the PC brigade - I have liberty and freedom to say what I want when I want without being racist or hateful. But if the hate comes to me I can lash out - and that is what I have done. I will not apologize. You will find a better set of journals and peer reviewed studies at most university websites. Look I do not disagree that over use of any substance including cannabis can be destructive, but to flat out state that cannabis is all consuming and dangerous, a danger to life is wrong. There are absolutely NO studies or facts that can testify to that being the truth of the matter. Yes there is a lot of digression - if you are indeed a doctor then you will of course know of the countless debates to try and rectify the problems within prohibition and the receptiveness of human illnesses to certain cannabis medicines that ARE now being produced by BigPharma. I think we are both big enough and clever enough to accept that on both sides there is strong debate and feelings towards the cannabis topic. My problems lay in the very institutions that have brainwashed people into consumerism and ignorance to actual facts. People are all to ready to take for gospel what the media throws at them, when the facts of the matter are very much different. As I have stated above - you can ask almost any chief of police, any high standing GP, law makers and some in government and a great many respected and well known scientists their feelings on cannabis. You will find that they tend to agree on cannabis legalities and its benefits to medicine. Wikipedia - I am sorry for pulling you on that Dr Martin... but you do realize that Wikipedia is hardly a source to quote from because the facts can be edited by anyone? And for my tirades of obvious smoke fueled insanity and schizophrenic tendencies from my apparent addiction - I apologize - But my comments would be as boring as many others here on these boards if I just pandered to the PC brigade, common decency and politeness lol. Your other source was quite okay - but the statistics in mental health are on a minimalistic scale. If the statistics stood up, we would actually be seeing the wards overcrowded with cannabis induced psychosis. The fact of the matter is very different. Cannabis is an attributing factor in most cases to: LSD MDMA Alcohol Tranquilizers Pharmaceutical anti-depressants For the most mental health is inundated with people having nervous breakdowns due to relationships, natural neurological pathogens, bi-polar disorder and countless other brain disorders that have absolutely no association to cannabis use. Take a walk up to the old K2 wards and ask what percentage of people on the ward are there as a direct result of cannabis use. You will find as is at many other institutions that the ratios are too small to even consider cannabis as such a huge danger and cost to life, or the NHS. You should do this quick before the wards are shifted over to Prestwich. Peace Beyond News Forum
  • Score: -3

1:44pm Sat 22 Feb 14

adatherton says...

Reed Lover wrote:
Do the reporters at the Bolton News not come from Bolton? As far as Boltonians are concerned streets just off Chorley Old Road are NOT Halliwell and would be better described as "Near Chorley Old Rd/Off Chorley Old Rd for comprehension sake.
I think strictly it's "Victory" but yes, I think of anything the left hand side of Chorley Old, from Morrisons onward as Halliwell. Higher up, it's Smithills (to Ivy Road at least). Now what is the area on the right called. Lower than Morrisons it can hardly be called Heaton.
[quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: Do the reporters at the Bolton News not come from Bolton? As far as Boltonians are concerned streets just off Chorley Old Road are NOT Halliwell and would be better described as "Near Chorley Old Rd/Off Chorley Old Rd for comprehension sake.[/p][/quote]I think strictly it's "Victory" but yes, I think of anything the left hand side of Chorley Old, from Morrisons onward as Halliwell. Higher up, it's Smithills (to Ivy Road at least). Now what is the area on the right called. Lower than Morrisons it can hardly be called Heaton. adatherton
  • Score: 1

1:45pm Sat 22 Feb 14

adatherton says...

buskersball wrote:
MarkAllRead wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
Do the reporters at the Bolton News not come from Bolton? As far as Boltonians are concerned streets just off Chorley Old Road are NOT Halliwell and would be better described as "Near Chorley Old Rd/Off Chorley Old Rd for comprehension sake.
So what area is it in then, if not Halliwell? Google Maps would certainly seem to suggest that it's in Halliwell.
Its Heaton in my book...but then again they dont want to taint the posh houses do they?
No, can't be Heaton that far down.
[quote][p][bold]buskersball[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkAllRead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: Do the reporters at the Bolton News not come from Bolton? As far as Boltonians are concerned streets just off Chorley Old Road are NOT Halliwell and would be better described as "Near Chorley Old Rd/Off Chorley Old Rd for comprehension sake.[/p][/quote]So what area is it in then, if not Halliwell? Google Maps would certainly seem to suggest that it's in Halliwell.[/p][/quote]Its Heaton in my book...but then again they dont want to taint the posh houses do they?[/p][/quote]No, can't be Heaton that far down. adatherton
  • Score: 1

1:45pm Sat 22 Feb 14

adatherton says...

Cakelly wrote:
MarkAllRead wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
Do the reporters at the Bolton News not come from Bolton? As far as Boltonians are concerned streets just off Chorley Old Road are NOT Halliwell and would be better described as "Near Chorley Old Rd/Off Chorley Old Rd for comprehension sake.
So what area is it in then, if not Halliwell? Google Maps would certainly seem to suggest that it's in Halliwell.
It was referred to as Heaton, when I lived in the area!
Let's call everywhere Heaton and Lostock then
[quote][p][bold]Cakelly[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkAllRead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: Do the reporters at the Bolton News not come from Bolton? As far as Boltonians are concerned streets just off Chorley Old Road are NOT Halliwell and would be better described as "Near Chorley Old Rd/Off Chorley Old Rd for comprehension sake.[/p][/quote]So what area is it in then, if not Halliwell? Google Maps would certainly seem to suggest that it's in Halliwell.[/p][/quote]It was referred to as Heaton, when I lived in the area![/p][/quote]Let's call everywhere Heaton and Lostock then adatherton
  • Score: 1

10:32pm Sun 23 Feb 14

Dr Doo Little says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
lol Legalise cannabis, an addictive drug which turns peoples brains to mush.

The people who smoke it are too stupid to think otherwise
agreed
25 Million people smoked cannabis last year, bearing in mind that was in 1 country alone.
Tell me - how many employers drug test their employees?
Any substance which are medically prescribed or bought of a local "dealer" or off a shop shelf if used/ consumed recklessly abused does become highly addictive and mush your brain.
However if you claim to be a "doctor" a legal drug dealer you of all must have a license to prescribe for example Tremadol consists a tiny percentage of opium which is a form morphine which become heroin (all organic).
Highly addictive happy tablet.
Lets not forget, countless of other prescribed and highly addictive, drugs.

The police are not interested in the smokers, its the "growers and the suppliers".

Please refrain to disgrace our highly honored Doctors. MUPPET!
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: lol Legalise cannabis, an addictive drug which turns peoples brains to mush. The people who smoke it are too stupid to think otherwise[/p][/quote]agreed[/p][/quote]25 Million people smoked cannabis last year, bearing in mind that was in 1 country alone. Tell me - how many employers drug test their employees? Any substance which are medically prescribed or bought of a local "dealer" or off a shop shelf if used/ consumed recklessly abused does become highly addictive and mush your brain. However if you claim to be a "doctor" a legal drug dealer you of all must have a license to prescribe for example Tremadol consists a tiny percentage of opium which is a form morphine which become heroin (all organic). Highly addictive happy tablet. Lets not forget, countless of other prescribed and highly addictive, drugs. The police are not interested in the smokers, its the "growers and the suppliers". Please refrain to disgrace our highly honored Doctors. MUPPET! Dr Doo Little
  • Score: -10

8:37am Mon 24 Feb 14

Jim271 says...

BNF. you need to take your daily drug to calm down, come and have a go if you think your hard enough,lol, you big big girl.
BNF. you need to take your daily drug to calm down, come and have a go if you think your hard enough,lol, you big big girl. Jim271
  • Score: 1

9:19am Mon 24 Feb 14

boltonian87 says...

adatherton wrote:
buskersball wrote:
MarkAllRead wrote:
Reed Lover wrote:
Do the reporters at the Bolton News not come from Bolton? As far as Boltonians are concerned streets just off Chorley Old Road are NOT Halliwell and would be better described as "Near Chorley Old Rd/Off Chorley Old Rd for comprehension sake.
So what area is it in then, if not Halliwell? Google Maps would certainly seem to suggest that it's in Halliwell.
Its Heaton in my book...but then again they dont want to taint the posh houses do they?
No, can't be Heaton that far down.
On the wall outside the Lion of Vienna pub on Chorley New Road there is a stone that has been there since the house that is now the pub was built (I think). On that stone there is a line with "Heaton" written on one side of the line (towards, well... Heaton) and "Halliwell" written on the other (towards town). I believe this is the original area boundary and shows that originally Heaton only went so far as Shrewsbury Road and anything past that was Halliwell. The boundary has been moved slowly for years until now, most people (apart from some estate agents) consider anything up to Morrisons Heaton, and anything on the other side of Chorley Old Road Halliwell
[quote][p][bold]adatherton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]buskersball[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MarkAllRead[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reed Lover[/bold] wrote: Do the reporters at the Bolton News not come from Bolton? As far as Boltonians are concerned streets just off Chorley Old Road are NOT Halliwell and would be better described as "Near Chorley Old Rd/Off Chorley Old Rd for comprehension sake.[/p][/quote]So what area is it in then, if not Halliwell? Google Maps would certainly seem to suggest that it's in Halliwell.[/p][/quote]Its Heaton in my book...but then again they dont want to taint the posh houses do they?[/p][/quote]No, can't be Heaton that far down.[/p][/quote]On the wall outside the Lion of Vienna pub on Chorley New Road there is a stone that has been there since the house that is now the pub was built (I think). On that stone there is a line with "Heaton" written on one side of the line (towards, well... Heaton) and "Halliwell" written on the other (towards town). I believe this is the original area boundary and shows that originally Heaton only went so far as Shrewsbury Road and anything past that was Halliwell. The boundary has been moved slowly for years until now, most people (apart from some estate agents) consider anything up to Morrisons Heaton, and anything on the other side of Chorley Old Road Halliwell boltonian87
  • Score: 1

10:57am Mon 24 Feb 14

marco999 says...

No one will ever convince me that cannabis is addictive. In my youth and particularly in my twenties I smoked it every single day for over ten years. One day my circumstances changed and I decided to give it up. I simply didn’t smoke it any longer and had no withdrawal or other effects that might be attributed to the withdrawal of a drug. Cannabis addiction is a myth and so is the idea that consumption of the drug will ‘turn your brain to mush’ – I was a successful manager in the finance industry with good academic qualifications who went on to gain a further degree and become successful in another professional field. I own my own home in a very nice area and drive a premium German car. When my son was a teenager, I found out that he was smoking cannabis. My reaction? I said “no problem, just do it in moderation” He too has a good education, and has continued in higher education (whilst still smoking the so called drug) and has recently qualified as a professional in his field (at 20 years old). The simple truth is that some people are genetically predisposed to become addicted to something or other whether it be drink or drugs. They might start off using cannabis and from this modest beginning gravitate towards stronger and addictive drugs but that is a different story altogether. Legalising cannabis or downgrading possession even further is the answer. All the rubbish that is spouted about it fuelling crime is nonsense. If you are ‘stoned’ then you are more likely to giggle, sleep or munch your way through the contents of the fridge than go out committing serious crimes.
No one will ever convince me that cannabis is addictive. In my youth and particularly in my twenties I smoked it every single day for over ten years. One day my circumstances changed and I decided to give it up. I simply didn’t smoke it any longer and had no withdrawal or other effects that might be attributed to the withdrawal of a drug. Cannabis addiction is a myth and so is the idea that consumption of the drug will ‘turn your brain to mush’ – I was a successful manager in the finance industry with good academic qualifications who went on to gain a further degree and become successful in another professional field. I own my own home in a very nice area and drive a premium German car. When my son was a teenager, I found out that he was smoking cannabis. My reaction? I said “no problem, just do it in moderation” He too has a good education, and has continued in higher education (whilst still smoking the so called drug) and has recently qualified as a professional in his field (at 20 years old). The simple truth is that some people are genetically predisposed to become addicted to something or other whether it be drink or drugs. They might start off using cannabis and from this modest beginning gravitate towards stronger and addictive drugs but that is a different story altogether. Legalising cannabis or downgrading possession even further is the answer. All the rubbish that is spouted about it fuelling crime is nonsense. If you are ‘stoned’ then you are more likely to giggle, sleep or munch your way through the contents of the fridge than go out committing serious crimes. marco999
  • Score: 0

3:17pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Dr Martin says...

Dr Doo Little wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
lol Legalise cannabis, an addictive drug which turns peoples brains to mush.

The people who smoke it are too stupid to think otherwise
agreed
25 Million people smoked cannabis last year, bearing in mind that was in 1 country alone.
Tell me - how many employers drug test their employees?
Any substance which are medically prescribed or bought of a local "dealer" or off a shop shelf if used/ consumed recklessly abused does become highly addictive and mush your brain.
However if you claim to be a "doctor" a legal drug dealer you of all must have a license to prescribe for example Tremadol consists a tiny percentage of opium which is a form morphine which become heroin (all organic).
Highly addictive happy tablet.
Lets not forget, countless of other prescribed and highly addictive, drugs.

The police are not interested in the smokers, its the "growers and the suppliers".

Please refrain to disgrace our highly honored Doctors. MUPPET!
And please share with us which country has 25 million cannabis smokers?

I never claimed I am a doctor, Dr Martin is a username similar to Dr doo little

I am not sure why the hostility, I thought stoners were quite chilled folk, have you been missing out?
[quote][p][bold]Dr Doo Little[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: lol Legalise cannabis, an addictive drug which turns peoples brains to mush. The people who smoke it are too stupid to think otherwise[/p][/quote]agreed[/p][/quote]25 Million people smoked cannabis last year, bearing in mind that was in 1 country alone. Tell me - how many employers drug test their employees? Any substance which are medically prescribed or bought of a local "dealer" or off a shop shelf if used/ consumed recklessly abused does become highly addictive and mush your brain. However if you claim to be a "doctor" a legal drug dealer you of all must have a license to prescribe for example Tremadol consists a tiny percentage of opium which is a form morphine which become heroin (all organic). Highly addictive happy tablet. Lets not forget, countless of other prescribed and highly addictive, drugs. The police are not interested in the smokers, its the "growers and the suppliers". Please refrain to disgrace our highly honored Doctors. MUPPET![/p][/quote]And please share with us which country has 25 million cannabis smokers? I never claimed I am a doctor, Dr Martin is a username similar to Dr doo little I am not sure why the hostility, I thought stoners were quite chilled folk, have you been missing out? Dr Martin
  • Score: 0

3:58pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Dr Martin says...

Beyond News Forum wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
Leftythelion wrote:
Beyond News Forum wrote:
There have been about 10 deaths solely attributed to weed in the last five years.

Now you compare that to 100,000 plus alcohol related deaths from liver failure and heart disorders (that affect people for years if they ever recover) in ONE YEAR alone. Not including drink driving incidents. Oh they do not count as affecting the lives of people forever do they not?

As for cigarettes... well if weed was cheaper and legal there would be no need to poison lungs with the lethal tobacco combination.

Weed does no damage to the lungs. In actual fact Cannabis helps blood flow and dilation. If you are in the medical profession you would know this and why WE are trying to lobby for common sense with a new wave of Cannabinoids, that are PROVEN to be effective against things like depression to arthritis and Parkinson's. And the pain of cancer, also research suggests some cancers may be cured eventually by Cannabinoids. So please... before you bleat, get buffed up.
Just for interests sake, as a person so highly qualified in health, could you give us some figures for admissions to mental wards due to drug induced psychosis and schizophrenia?
Drug induced psychosis is fueled by much heavier drug use than cannabis. The myth that weed can induce hallucinations is now losing steam. Now factor in heroin, crack, cocaine and other drugs then you are getting somewhere. Of course psychosis is a problem due to hard class-A's and pharmaceuticals - and alcohol. But you CANNOT even class Cannabis in the same place as these other drugs. NOT AT ALL!

Talk to the police, talk to scientists and medical professionals all over the world and you will get the same answers. You may get a few that are strictly "stay away from weed" but will still prescribe you PROZAC.

Psychosis via weed is a rarity, if you are in mental health you will know this. In fact it is alcohol and stronger drugs and even legal highs that cause problems. Within many institutions I have graced over the years I have seen more psychosis which is attributed to over the counter pharmaceuticals and prescription drugs than any association to weed. Yes the mental health teams HAVE to include weed, just because the law within medicine dictates that all information garnered and all medicinal causes have to have an attributing factor or be itemized.

So you tell me who is costing the NHS more money - weed smokers?

Alcohol addiction?
Alcohol dependency?
Binge drinking?
Drink drivers?
Cigarette smokers?

FFS even Burger King munchers are causing more problems for the NHS than weed smokers.
I would agree the harms of Alcohol and tobacco are overall greater than cannabis but whilst those two are legal, why would you want to leaglise another harmful drug?
A recent review of prospective cohort studies has suggested that cannabis statistically doubles the risk of developing schizophrenia on the individual level, and may, if a causal relationship is assumed, be responsible for up to 8% of cases in the population
(Wikipedia)
"Clinicians agree that cannabis use can cause acute adverse mental effects that mimic psychiatric disorders, such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Although there is good evidence to support this, the connections are complex and not fully understood"
http://www.ncbi.nlm.




nih.gov/pmc/articles




/PMC2811144/

Also in 2005 research by Robin Murray of the London Institute of Psychiatry – eg: Marta DiForti & Robin Murray – found that those who smoked cannabis regularly at 18 were 1.6 times more likely to suffer serious psychiatric problems, including Schizophrenia, by their mid-20s. For those who were regular users by 15, the risk of mental illness by the age of 26 was 4.5 times greater than normal.

Further Dutch, German and New Zealand studies have all found a relationship between regular cannabis use and psychosis, with heavy cannabis users doubling or tripling their risk of psychosis.
Quote Wikipedia hahahaha.
...and of course you have a better source of information?

obviously our views on cannabis a very different however unlike BWFC71 and
lv8151 who can debate without resorting to foul mouthed rants that you continually post, Please think before you post in the future
I can;t help having passion. Sometimes that is worded with a tirade. I attack when attacked, I make asinine less structured foul mouth comments because I grew up to speak my mind.

Yes I am foul mouthed, I say it as it is. If I offend you then so be it, there is no room for **** footing around anymore in this world. I am sick of censorship and the PC brigade - I have liberty and freedom to say what I want when I want without being racist or hateful. But if the hate comes to me I can lash out - and that is what I have done. I will not apologize.

You will find a better set of journals and peer reviewed studies at most university websites.

Look I do not disagree that over use of any substance including cannabis can be destructive, but to flat out state that cannabis is all consuming and dangerous, a danger to life is wrong. There are absolutely NO studies or facts that can testify to that being the truth of the matter. Yes there is a lot of digression - if you are indeed a doctor then you will of course know of the countless debates to try and rectify the problems within prohibition and the receptiveness of human illnesses to certain cannabis medicines that ARE now being produced by BigPharma.

I think we are both big enough and clever enough to accept that on both sides there is strong debate and feelings towards the cannabis topic. My problems lay in the very institutions that have brainwashed people into consumerism and ignorance to actual facts. People are all to ready to take for gospel what the media throws at them, when the facts of the matter are very much different.

As I have stated above - you can ask almost any chief of police, any high standing GP, law makers and some in government and a great many respected and well known scientists their feelings on cannabis. You will find that they tend to agree on cannabis legalities and its benefits to medicine.

Wikipedia - I am sorry for pulling you on that Dr Martin... but you do realize that Wikipedia is hardly a source to quote from because the facts can be edited by anyone?

And for my tirades of obvious smoke fueled insanity and schizophrenic tendencies from my apparent addiction - I apologize - But my comments would be as boring as many others here on these boards if I just pandered to the PC brigade, common decency and politeness lol.

Your other source was quite okay - but the statistics in mental health are on a minimalistic scale. If the statistics stood up, we would actually be seeing the wards overcrowded with cannabis induced psychosis. The fact of the matter is very different. Cannabis is an attributing factor in most cases to:

LSD
MDMA
Alcohol
Tranquilizers
Pharmaceutical anti-depressants

For the most mental health is inundated with people having nervous breakdowns due to relationships, natural neurological pathogens, bi-polar disorder and countless other brain disorders that have absolutely no association to cannabis use.

Take a walk up to the old K2 wards and ask what percentage of people on the ward are there as a direct result of cannabis use. You will find as is at many other institutions that the ratios are too small to even consider cannabis as such a huge danger and cost to life, or the NHS. You should do this quick before the wards are shifted over to Prestwich.

Peace
As you may have gathered I am very anti-pot I consider virtually any pro pot comment as offensive but Using vile language to express yourself , is the language of someone losing or lost the argument.
I work in a psychiatric unit, I read the patients notes, whilst it could be argued cannabis is not the "cause" of their mental illnesses but it is a factor and overall it is not a positive one, you don't normally get a psychiatric bed just because you are a little paranoid or depressed because of weed use, that is normally the realm of drug and alcohol teams.
As for wikipedia if I was needing a reference for a degree then it is not suitable however for a cannabis debate on a regional newspaper then It's perfectly acceptable.
[quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Leftythelion[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Beyond News Forum[/bold] wrote: There have been about 10 deaths solely attributed to weed in the last five years. Now you compare that to 100,000 plus alcohol related deaths from liver failure and heart disorders (that affect people for years if they ever recover) in ONE YEAR alone. Not including drink driving incidents. Oh they do not count as affecting the lives of people forever do they not? As for cigarettes... well if weed was cheaper and legal there would be no need to poison lungs with the lethal tobacco combination. Weed does no damage to the lungs. In actual fact Cannabis helps blood flow and dilation. If you are in the medical profession you would know this and why WE are trying to lobby for common sense with a new wave of Cannabinoids, that are PROVEN to be effective against things like depression to arthritis and Parkinson's. And the pain of cancer, also research suggests some cancers may be cured eventually by Cannabinoids. So please... before you bleat, get buffed up.[/p][/quote]Just for interests sake, as a person so highly qualified in health, could you give us some figures for admissions to mental wards due to drug induced psychosis and schizophrenia?[/p][/quote]Drug induced psychosis is fueled by much heavier drug use than cannabis. The myth that weed can induce hallucinations is now losing steam. Now factor in heroin, crack, cocaine and other drugs then you are getting somewhere. Of course psychosis is a problem due to hard class-A's and pharmaceuticals - and alcohol. But you CANNOT even class Cannabis in the same place as these other drugs. NOT AT ALL! Talk to the police, talk to scientists and medical professionals all over the world and you will get the same answers. You may get a few that are strictly "stay away from weed" but will still prescribe you PROZAC. Psychosis via weed is a rarity, if you are in mental health you will know this. In fact it is alcohol and stronger drugs and even legal highs that cause problems. Within many institutions I have graced over the years I have seen more psychosis which is attributed to over the counter pharmaceuticals and prescription drugs than any association to weed. Yes the mental health teams HAVE to include weed, just because the law within medicine dictates that all information garnered and all medicinal causes have to have an attributing factor or be itemized. So you tell me who is costing the NHS more money - weed smokers? Alcohol addiction? Alcohol dependency? Binge drinking? Drink drivers? Cigarette smokers? FFS even Burger King munchers are causing more problems for the NHS than weed smokers.[/p][/quote]I would agree the harms of Alcohol and tobacco are overall greater than cannabis but whilst those two are legal, why would you want to leaglise another harmful drug? A recent review of prospective cohort studies has suggested that cannabis statistically doubles the risk of developing schizophrenia on the individual level, and may, if a causal relationship is assumed, be responsible for up to 8% of cases in the population (Wikipedia) "Clinicians agree that cannabis use can cause acute adverse mental effects that mimic psychiatric disorders, such as schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. Although there is good evidence to support this, the connections are complex and not fully understood" http://www.ncbi.nlm. nih.gov/pmc/articles /PMC2811144/ Also in 2005 research by Robin Murray of the London Institute of Psychiatry – eg: Marta DiForti & Robin Murray – found that those who smoked cannabis regularly at 18 were 1.6 times more likely to suffer serious psychiatric problems, including Schizophrenia, by their mid-20s. For those who were regular users by 15, the risk of mental illness by the age of 26 was 4.5 times greater than normal. Further Dutch, German and New Zealand studies have all found a relationship between regular cannabis use and psychosis, with heavy cannabis users doubling or tripling their risk of psychosis.[/p][/quote]Quote Wikipedia hahahaha.[/p][/quote]...and of course you have a better source of information? obviously our views on cannabis a very different however unlike BWFC71 and lv8151 who can debate without resorting to foul mouthed rants that you continually post, Please think before you post in the future[/p][/quote]I can;t help having passion. Sometimes that is worded with a tirade. I attack when attacked, I make asinine less structured foul mouth comments because I grew up to speak my mind. Yes I am foul mouthed, I say it as it is. If I offend you then so be it, there is no room for **** footing around anymore in this world. I am sick of censorship and the PC brigade - I have liberty and freedom to say what I want when I want without being racist or hateful. But if the hate comes to me I can lash out - and that is what I have done. I will not apologize. You will find a better set of journals and peer reviewed studies at most university websites. Look I do not disagree that over use of any substance including cannabis can be destructive, but to flat out state that cannabis is all consuming and dangerous, a danger to life is wrong. There are absolutely NO studies or facts that can testify to that being the truth of the matter. Yes there is a lot of digression - if you are indeed a doctor then you will of course know of the countless debates to try and rectify the problems within prohibition and the receptiveness of human illnesses to certain cannabis medicines that ARE now being produced by BigPharma. I think we are both big enough and clever enough to accept that on both sides there is strong debate and feelings towards the cannabis topic. My problems lay in the very institutions that have brainwashed people into consumerism and ignorance to actual facts. People are all to ready to take for gospel what the media throws at them, when the facts of the matter are very much different. As I have stated above - you can ask almost any chief of police, any high standing GP, law makers and some in government and a great many respected and well known scientists their feelings on cannabis. You will find that they tend to agree on cannabis legalities and its benefits to medicine. Wikipedia - I am sorry for pulling you on that Dr Martin... but you do realize that Wikipedia is hardly a source to quote from because the facts can be edited by anyone? And for my tirades of obvious smoke fueled insanity and schizophrenic tendencies from my apparent addiction - I apologize - But my comments would be as boring as many others here on these boards if I just pandered to the PC brigade, common decency and politeness lol. Your other source was quite okay - but the statistics in mental health are on a minimalistic scale. If the statistics stood up, we would actually be seeing the wards overcrowded with cannabis induced psychosis. The fact of the matter is very different. Cannabis is an attributing factor in most cases to: LSD MDMA Alcohol Tranquilizers Pharmaceutical anti-depressants For the most mental health is inundated with people having nervous breakdowns due to relationships, natural neurological pathogens, bi-polar disorder and countless other brain disorders that have absolutely no association to cannabis use. Take a walk up to the old K2 wards and ask what percentage of people on the ward are there as a direct result of cannabis use. You will find as is at many other institutions that the ratios are too small to even consider cannabis as such a huge danger and cost to life, or the NHS. You should do this quick before the wards are shifted over to Prestwich. Peace[/p][/quote]As you may have gathered I am very anti-pot I consider virtually any pro pot comment as offensive but Using vile language to express yourself , is the language of someone losing or lost the argument. I work in a psychiatric unit, I read the patients notes, whilst it could be argued cannabis is not the "cause" of their mental illnesses but it is a factor and overall it is not a positive one, you don't normally get a psychiatric bed just because you are a little paranoid or depressed because of weed use, that is normally the realm of drug and alcohol teams. As for wikipedia if I was needing a reference for a degree then it is not suitable however for a cannabis debate on a regional newspaper then It's perfectly acceptable. Dr Martin
  • Score: 0

5:06pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Dr Doo Little says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Dr Doo Little wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
lol Legalise cannabis, an addictive drug which turns peoples brains to mush.

The people who smoke it are too stupid to think otherwise
agreed
25 Million people smoked cannabis last year, bearing in mind that was in 1 country alone.
Tell me - how many employers drug test their employees?
Any substance which are medically prescribed or bought of a local "dealer" or off a shop shelf if used/ consumed recklessly abused does become highly addictive and mush your brain.
However if you claim to be a "doctor" a legal drug dealer you of all must have a license to prescribe for example Tremadol consists a tiny percentage of opium which is a form morphine which become heroin (all organic).
Highly addictive happy tablet.
Lets not forget, countless of other prescribed and highly addictive, drugs.

The police are not interested in the smokers, its the "growers and the suppliers".

Please refrain to disgrace our highly honored Doctors. MUPPET!
And please share with us which country has 25 million cannabis smokers?

I never claimed I am a doctor, Dr Martin is a username similar to Dr doo little

I am not sure why the hostility, I thought stoners were quite chilled folk, have you been missing out?
Indeed I take it you are an Inventor... creates with great hopes makes you feel/ sound clever. However hard you try too try my child. To google n snoogle will never upraise ones IQ mentality. Next you will be asking me to name each and everyone.
Hhhhhhmmmmm great shame sounds like prem ejac. Whoops!
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Doo Little[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: lol Legalise cannabis, an addictive drug which turns peoples brains to mush. The people who smoke it are too stupid to think otherwise[/p][/quote]agreed[/p][/quote]25 Million people smoked cannabis last year, bearing in mind that was in 1 country alone. Tell me - how many employers drug test their employees? Any substance which are medically prescribed or bought of a local "dealer" or off a shop shelf if used/ consumed recklessly abused does become highly addictive and mush your brain. However if you claim to be a "doctor" a legal drug dealer you of all must have a license to prescribe for example Tremadol consists a tiny percentage of opium which is a form morphine which become heroin (all organic). Highly addictive happy tablet. Lets not forget, countless of other prescribed and highly addictive, drugs. The police are not interested in the smokers, its the "growers and the suppliers". Please refrain to disgrace our highly honored Doctors. MUPPET![/p][/quote]And please share with us which country has 25 million cannabis smokers? I never claimed I am a doctor, Dr Martin is a username similar to Dr doo little I am not sure why the hostility, I thought stoners were quite chilled folk, have you been missing out?[/p][/quote]Indeed I take it you are an Inventor... creates with great hopes makes you feel/ sound clever. However hard you try too try my child. To google n snoogle will never upraise ones IQ mentality. Next you will be asking me to name each and everyone. Hhhhhhmmmmm great shame sounds like prem ejac. Whoops! Dr Doo Little
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7:10am Tue 25 Feb 14

Dr Martin says...

Dr Doo Little wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Dr Doo Little wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
lol Legalise cannabis, an addictive drug which turns peoples brains to mush.

The people who smoke it are too stupid to think otherwise
agreed
25 Million people smoked cannabis last year, bearing in mind that was in 1 country alone.
Tell me - how many employers drug test their employees?
Any substance which are medically prescribed or bought of a local "dealer" or off a shop shelf if used/ consumed recklessly abused does become highly addictive and mush your brain.
However if you claim to be a "doctor" a legal drug dealer you of all must have a license to prescribe for example Tremadol consists a tiny percentage of opium which is a form morphine which become heroin (all organic).
Highly addictive happy tablet.
Lets not forget, countless of other prescribed and highly addictive, drugs.

The police are not interested in the smokers, its the "growers and the suppliers".

Please refrain to disgrace our highly honored Doctors. MUPPET!
And please share with us which country has 25 million cannabis smokers?

I never claimed I am a doctor, Dr Martin is a username similar to Dr doo little

I am not sure why the hostility, I thought stoners were quite chilled folk, have you been missing out?
Indeed I take it you are an Inventor... creates with great hopes makes you feel/ sound clever. However hard you try too try my child. To google n snoogle will never upraise ones IQ mentality. Next you will be asking me to name each and everyone.
Hhhhhhmmmmm great shame sounds like prem ejac. Whoops!
I take it English is not your native language, still learning?
[quote][p][bold]Dr Doo Little[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Doo Little[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: lol Legalise cannabis, an addictive drug which turns peoples brains to mush. The people who smoke it are too stupid to think otherwise[/p][/quote]agreed[/p][/quote]25 Million people smoked cannabis last year, bearing in mind that was in 1 country alone. Tell me - how many employers drug test their employees? Any substance which are medically prescribed or bought of a local "dealer" or off a shop shelf if used/ consumed recklessly abused does become highly addictive and mush your brain. However if you claim to be a "doctor" a legal drug dealer you of all must have a license to prescribe for example Tremadol consists a tiny percentage of opium which is a form morphine which become heroin (all organic). Highly addictive happy tablet. Lets not forget, countless of other prescribed and highly addictive, drugs. The police are not interested in the smokers, its the "growers and the suppliers". Please refrain to disgrace our highly honored Doctors. MUPPET![/p][/quote]And please share with us which country has 25 million cannabis smokers? I never claimed I am a doctor, Dr Martin is a username similar to Dr doo little I am not sure why the hostility, I thought stoners were quite chilled folk, have you been missing out?[/p][/quote]Indeed I take it you are an Inventor... creates with great hopes makes you feel/ sound clever. However hard you try too try my child. To google n snoogle will never upraise ones IQ mentality. Next you will be asking me to name each and everyone. Hhhhhhmmmmm great shame sounds like prem ejac. Whoops![/p][/quote]I take it English is not your native language, still learning? Dr Martin
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