Major investment key to prevent Blackburn town centre decline

This Is Lancashire: Major investment key to prevent Blackburn town centre decline Major investment key to prevent Blackburn town centre decline

MAJOR investment in Blackburn town centre is vital to prevent it declining into ‘another Accrington’, borough finance chief Andy Kay has told business leaders.

His comments have angered Hyndburn politicians who accused him of ‘pub talk’ and ‘typical Blackburn arrogance’.

Coun Kay, deputy leader of Blackburn with Darwen council, was addressing local business leaders about his plans for redeveloping the borough’s main town centre.

After outlining the plans for the Cathedral Quarter, new bus station and ‘Blackburn is Open’ campaign, he turned to justifying spending millions of pounds council tax and business ratepayers money on the initiatives.

Coun Kay told the meeting at the town hall: “We have a vision of what we want the future of the town centre to be.

“We have to invest. We must not stand still.

“We cannot allow Blackburn to become another Accrington or Hyndburn.”

After the meeting, Coun Kay said: “Hyndburn totally failed to invest in the future of the borough and Accrington town centre for many years.

“The results are plain to see. These are difficult times and we have to invest in the future.”

He paid tribute to Burnley’s record in promoting the growth of new businesses.

Hyndburn Tory councillor Tony Dobson, whose Barnfield ward includes part of Accrington town centre, said: “I think Coun Kay’s comments are disappointing and not true.

“If you look at the figures for empty town centre shops I think you will see Blackburn is worse than Accrington.

“Some people will see this as typical Blackburn arrogance which is not justified when you look at how its night-time economy has disappeared.’ Hyndburn borough Labour leader Miles Parkinson said: “Our priority in Hyndburn is to create jobs and that is what we are doing.

“The borough is often overshadowed by its larger neighbours Blackburn and Burnley.

“We want to see all the towns in East Lancashire grow. That should be all our aim.

“As councillors we should not be disparaging our neighbouring towns .

“That is a simple task. It’s just pub talk.

“We want to make Accrington town centre a niche market, different from the sameness of our bigger neighbours.”

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7:06pm Tue 4 Feb 14

denidenideni says...

Blackburn town centre will NEVER be an inviting place to most people, too many dossers around scrounging or thieving.
Invest the money properly in Darwen town centre.
Darwen is a brilliant place to go out in.
Blackburn town centre will NEVER be an inviting place to most people, too many dossers around scrounging or thieving. Invest the money properly in Darwen town centre. Darwen is a brilliant place to go out in. denidenideni
  • Score: 11

7:41pm Tue 4 Feb 14

shytalk says...

The only way Blackburn will recover is if they move the bus station back, buld an open market on the old indoor market, and open up church st to traffic so you can get from one side of Blackburn to the other.
It would save a fortune in wasted development costs also.
The only way Blackburn will recover is if they move the bus station back, buld an open market on the old indoor market, and open up church st to traffic so you can get from one side of Blackburn to the other. It would save a fortune in wasted development costs also. shytalk
  • Score: 30

7:47pm Tue 4 Feb 14

It's a spade! says...

Lets be honest here folks. I'm a proud Lancastrian but the despite the Millions of Pounds being spent, all the Lancashire mill towns are holes. There are odd nice suburubs but in the main they've died and there's not a lot to be done.

Maybe Burnley, Pendle, Rossendale, Hyndburn & Blackburn should sit down together and decide to give up one of these major towns. Move all the scummy dossers, scroungers, druggies and lowlifes altogether into the same place from all of the areas. That way the police can concentrate their resources and those people that do care can live amongst like minded people to "save" the other areas and money can be spent there to bring them back up to scratch. You could bring in rules that if people didn't maintain their houses, paint them regularly., allowed their dogs to foul the pavments and drop litter then they would be deported to the scummy town and have their house removed as a penalty. A ghetto yes, but not based on colour, creed, religion or sex but scumminess.
Lets be honest here folks. I'm a proud Lancastrian but the despite the Millions of Pounds being spent, all the Lancashire mill towns are holes. There are odd nice suburubs but in the main they've died and there's not a lot to be done. Maybe Burnley, Pendle, Rossendale, Hyndburn & Blackburn should sit down together and decide to give up one of these major towns. Move all the scummy dossers, scroungers, druggies and lowlifes altogether into the same place from all of the areas. That way the police can concentrate their resources and those people that do care can live amongst like minded people to "save" the other areas and money can be spent there to bring them back up to scratch. You could bring in rules that if people didn't maintain their houses, paint them regularly., allowed their dogs to foul the pavments and drop litter then they would be deported to the scummy town and have their house removed as a penalty. A ghetto yes, but not based on colour, creed, religion or sex but scumminess. It's a spade!
  • Score: 37

7:53pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Michael@ClitheroeSince58 says...

They followed the past Labour Governments Anti Car Line and look what it did. Admit it you messed up!
They followed the past Labour Governments Anti Car Line and look what it did. Admit it you messed up! Michael@ClitheroeSince58
  • Score: 16

8:18pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Jack Herer says...

It's a spade! wrote:
Lets be honest here folks. I'm a proud Lancastrian but the despite the Millions of Pounds being spent, all the Lancashire mill towns are holes. There are odd nice suburubs but in the main they've died and there's not a lot to be done.

Maybe Burnley, Pendle, Rossendale, Hyndburn & Blackburn should sit down together and decide to give up one of these major towns. Move all the scummy dossers, scroungers, druggies and lowlifes altogether into the same place from all of the areas. That way the police can concentrate their resources and those people that do care can live amongst like minded people to "save" the other areas and money can be spent there to bring them back up to scratch. You could bring in rules that if people didn't maintain their houses, paint them regularly., allowed their dogs to foul the pavments and drop litter then they would be deported to the scummy town and have their house removed as a penalty. A ghetto yes, but not based on colour, creed, religion or sex but scumminess.
Quick question - do you foresee this "scummy town" as a lawless free for all, with roaming gangs, like New York in Escape From New York?

Or would it be a simple camp arrangement, with watch towers to spot child escapees making a run for the promised land of Burnley or Rossendale or Pendle - or whichever dodges the ghetto bullet?

Your suggestion seems amazing at first glance. Less so in reality I fear.
[quote][p][bold]It's a spade![/bold] wrote: Lets be honest here folks. I'm a proud Lancastrian but the despite the Millions of Pounds being spent, all the Lancashire mill towns are holes. There are odd nice suburubs but in the main they've died and there's not a lot to be done. Maybe Burnley, Pendle, Rossendale, Hyndburn & Blackburn should sit down together and decide to give up one of these major towns. Move all the scummy dossers, scroungers, druggies and lowlifes altogether into the same place from all of the areas. That way the police can concentrate their resources and those people that do care can live amongst like minded people to "save" the other areas and money can be spent there to bring them back up to scratch. You could bring in rules that if people didn't maintain their houses, paint them regularly., allowed their dogs to foul the pavments and drop litter then they would be deported to the scummy town and have their house removed as a penalty. A ghetto yes, but not based on colour, creed, religion or sex but scumminess.[/p][/quote]Quick question - do you foresee this "scummy town" as a lawless free for all, with roaming gangs, like New York in Escape From New York? Or would it be a simple camp arrangement, with watch towers to spot child escapees making a run for the promised land of Burnley or Rossendale or Pendle - or whichever dodges the ghetto bullet? Your suggestion seems amazing at first glance. Less so in reality I fear. Jack Herer
  • Score: -1

8:44pm Tue 4 Feb 14

M.DANNY says...

Blackburn has already declined through fault of the Blackburn council .Lack of investments in Blackburn town centre in the 1980s and the 1990s cost Blackburn dearly.
Blackburn is behind Preston and Bolton in retail and leisure investments. Blackburn town centre has no hotel some quality restaurants ,pubs and more high street names just did not invest in Blackburn town centre as they preferred to open in Preston ..Look at Mall Blackburn just one shopping Mall and many shop units empty.Lack of choices in the mall frustrate me then I head to Preston.
Blackburn need more eateries ,more big name stores and good night life like Preston.
The new bus station and regeneration at Boulevard like a new hotel, shops, office blocks and improvement at the Cathedral and the completion of much awaited Orbital Road liking the Wainwright Bridge on Bolton Road has taken a long time that it could be too little too late.
Blackburn has already declined through fault of the Blackburn council .Lack of investments in Blackburn town centre in the 1980s and the 1990s cost Blackburn dearly. Blackburn is behind Preston and Bolton in retail and leisure investments. Blackburn town centre has no hotel some quality restaurants ,pubs and more high street names just did not invest in Blackburn town centre as they preferred to open in Preston ..Look at Mall Blackburn just one shopping Mall and many shop units empty.Lack of choices in the mall frustrate me then I head to Preston. Blackburn need more eateries ,more big name stores and good night life like Preston. The new bus station and regeneration at Boulevard like a new hotel, shops, office blocks and improvement at the Cathedral and the completion of much awaited Orbital Road liking the Wainwright Bridge on Bolton Road has taken a long time that it could be too little too late. M.DANNY
  • Score: 18

8:52pm Tue 4 Feb 14

shirtbox2003 says...

Blackburn fell behind Acrington 20 years ago,and never caught up, or ever will,it is a hole that needs filling in.Nothing is being done to attract industry,so creating a large underclass who will never have jobs,so sad to see a once proud town suffer such decline.
Blackburn fell behind Acrington 20 years ago,and never caught up, or ever will,it is a hole that needs filling in.Nothing is being done to attract industry,so creating a large underclass who will never have jobs,so sad to see a once proud town suffer such decline. shirtbox2003
  • Score: 14

9:25pm Tue 4 Feb 14

Asthecrowflies says...

Unfortunately it looks to late for Blackburn. You only have to walk around to see all the scroates that have taken over. I went into town on Sat 21st Dec on a night out.... What a depressing place, every pub empty, Blakeys which had done a large promotion on some DJ shut as there was nobody in the place and it wasn't cost effective.... Such a sad sad shame but I think guys a tad to late ... You should of noticed the decline years ago. I will Definately encourage my children to move away there's nothing here, it's more like living abroad now and I don't mean because of the climate.
Unfortunately it looks to late for Blackburn. You only have to walk around to see all the scroates that have taken over. I went into town on Sat 21st Dec on a night out.... What a depressing place, every pub empty, Blakeys which had done a large promotion on some DJ shut as there was nobody in the place and it wasn't cost effective.... Such a sad sad shame but I think guys a tad to late ... You should of noticed the decline years ago. I will Definately encourage my children to move away there's nothing here, it's more like living abroad now and I don't mean because of the climate. Asthecrowflies
  • Score: 20

6:33am Wed 5 Feb 14

woolywords says...

Oh here we go again, another jolly for a Councillor, telling businessmen in the town what they plan. BUT Mr Kay, why aren't you telling US, the people who live in the town, what your plans are? Why do they, the businessmen, get to know and discuss it and not us?
I'll tell you why, it's because you have nothing, nada, zilch and naff-all in the way of plans, have you? All you can do is, witter on, interminably about what you have done and are currently doing, with no real plan for the future and I'll prove it to you.
This council squandered an absolute gold mine of a business nursery, right in the heart of the town centre but lacked the acumen to realise it's potential.
The 3 day market should have been a seed bed for business, with fixed, short-terms leases, of no more than 2 years. After 2 years, the business should be either thriving or need to move on. Either way, they have to go, so that another 'start up' can move in.
Successful seeds should be transferred to the 5 day market, with a similar, short term lease, so that it has it's overheads are fixed for the medium term. At the end of say, 5 years, they should have been moved into one of the shops that surrounds the market and/or encouraged to find another premises in the town centre, to free up the space.
Thus, we would have had new starts in the 3 day market, every so often, that would attract people to look around. They would be exposed to something new but have the chance to go to their favourite stall, in the 5 day market or in the surrounding shops.
This would cater for everyone. The council, who want to ensure that all the stalls are full, the trader who wants a passing customer to view his wares and the customer who loves rooting out a bargain.
All these talking shops of business leaders and chambers of trade or commerce, should be made to get involved in helping the seedling stall-holders get going. After all, if Marks and Spencer can do it from a market stall, anyone can.
That would have been one hell of a plan to have instigated, Mr Kay, instead, as soon as it got a bit tough, the Council hoicked the rents up, drove the stall-holders away and rushed to close it down. With nothing of any substance to replace it.
The Council has done more damage to this town than the flaming Luftwaffe could ever do, in just a few planning meetings! Soon, there will be an huge tract of open, derelict land, stretching from the Mall to the Eanam roundabout with nothing on the drawing board to show as a future.
And if you think that the new bus station is going to take up that space then you've been sold a pup by both the council and this paper. 18 bus stops won't cover the truth of the matter, at all.
Councillor Kay, I rest my case and in the words of Emile Zola, J'accuse!
Put pen to paper, set out your plan then hand it in for publication, for all to read and you never know, I might be able to give you an hint towards making some trade for the town.
Oh here we go again, another jolly for a Councillor, telling businessmen in the town what they plan. BUT Mr Kay, why aren't you telling US, the people who live in the town, what your plans are? Why do they, the businessmen, get to know and discuss it and not us? I'll tell you why, it's because you have nothing, nada, zilch and naff-all in the way of plans, have you? All you can do is, witter on, interminably about what you have done and are currently doing, with no real plan for the future and I'll prove it to you. This council squandered an absolute gold mine of a business nursery, right in the heart of the town centre but lacked the acumen to realise it's potential. The 3 day market should have been a seed bed for business, with fixed, short-terms leases, of no more than 2 years. After 2 years, the business should be either thriving or need to move on. Either way, they have to go, so that another 'start up' can move in. Successful seeds should be transferred to the 5 day market, with a similar, short term lease, so that it has it's overheads are fixed for the medium term. At the end of say, 5 years, they should have been moved into one of the shops that surrounds the market and/or encouraged to find another premises in the town centre, to free up the space. Thus, we would have had new starts in the 3 day market, every so often, that would attract people to look around. They would be exposed to something new but have the chance to go to their favourite stall, in the 5 day market or in the surrounding shops. This would cater for everyone. The council, who want to ensure that all the stalls are full, the trader who wants a passing customer to view his wares and the customer who loves rooting out a bargain. All these talking shops of business leaders and chambers of trade or commerce, should be made to get involved in helping the seedling stall-holders get going. After all, if Marks and Spencer can do it from a market stall, anyone can. That would have been one hell of a plan to have instigated, Mr Kay, instead, as soon as it got a bit tough, the Council hoicked the rents up, drove the stall-holders away and rushed to close it down. With nothing of any substance to replace it. The Council has done more damage to this town than the flaming Luftwaffe could ever do, in just a few planning meetings! Soon, there will be an huge tract of open, derelict land, stretching from the Mall to the Eanam roundabout with nothing on the drawing board to show as a future. And if you think that the new bus station is going to take up that space then you've been sold a pup by both the council and this paper. 18 bus stops won't cover the truth of the matter, at all. Councillor Kay, I rest my case and in the words of Emile Zola, J'accuse! Put pen to paper, set out your plan then hand it in for publication, for all to read and you never know, I might be able to give you an hint towards making some trade for the town. woolywords
  • Score: 18

7:45am Wed 5 Feb 14

Wishingwell says...

Woolywords, you are so right. Council leaders have not got a clue their arrogance is stunning and they are only interested in spending other people's money to try to make them selves look good. Blackburn has become a hole of debt and deprivation, I think it is worse now than I can ever remember.
Woolywords, you are so right. Council leaders have not got a clue their arrogance is stunning and they are only interested in spending other people's money to try to make them selves look good. Blackburn has become a hole of debt and deprivation, I think it is worse now than I can ever remember. Wishingwell
  • Score: 13

8:32am Wed 5 Feb 14

bow1974 says...

woolywords wrote:
Oh here we go again, another jolly for a Councillor, telling businessmen in the town what they plan. BUT Mr Kay, why aren't you telling US, the people who live in the town, what your plans are? Why do they, the businessmen, get to know and discuss it and not us?
I'll tell you why, it's because you have nothing, nada, zilch and naff-all in the way of plans, have you? All you can do is, witter on, interminably about what you have done and are currently doing, with no real plan for the future and I'll prove it to you.
This council squandered an absolute gold mine of a business nursery, right in the heart of the town centre but lacked the acumen to realise it's potential.
The 3 day market should have been a seed bed for business, with fixed, short-terms leases, of no more than 2 years. After 2 years, the business should be either thriving or need to move on. Either way, they have to go, so that another 'start up' can move in.
Successful seeds should be transferred to the 5 day market, with a similar, short term lease, so that it has it's overheads are fixed for the medium term. At the end of say, 5 years, they should have been moved into one of the shops that surrounds the market and/or encouraged to find another premises in the town centre, to free up the space.
Thus, we would have had new starts in the 3 day market, every so often, that would attract people to look around. They would be exposed to something new but have the chance to go to their favourite stall, in the 5 day market or in the surrounding shops.
This would cater for everyone. The council, who want to ensure that all the stalls are full, the trader who wants a passing customer to view his wares and the customer who loves rooting out a bargain.
All these talking shops of business leaders and chambers of trade or commerce, should be made to get involved in helping the seedling stall-holders get going. After all, if Marks and Spencer can do it from a market stall, anyone can.
That would have been one hell of a plan to have instigated, Mr Kay, instead, as soon as it got a bit tough, the Council hoicked the rents up, drove the stall-holders away and rushed to close it down. With nothing of any substance to replace it.
The Council has done more damage to this town than the flaming Luftwaffe could ever do, in just a few planning meetings! Soon, there will be an huge tract of open, derelict land, stretching from the Mall to the Eanam roundabout with nothing on the drawing board to show as a future.
And if you think that the new bus station is going to take up that space then you've been sold a pup by both the council and this paper. 18 bus stops won't cover the truth of the matter, at all.
Councillor Kay, I rest my case and in the words of Emile Zola, J'accuse!
Put pen to paper, set out your plan then hand it in for publication, for all to read and you never know, I might be able to give you an hint towards making some trade for the town.
Never a truer word you've got it spot on Blackburn has had it full stop.
[quote][p][bold]woolywords[/bold] wrote: Oh here we go again, another jolly for a Councillor, telling businessmen in the town what they plan. BUT Mr Kay, why aren't you telling US, the people who live in the town, what your plans are? Why do they, the businessmen, get to know and discuss it and not us? I'll tell you why, it's because you have nothing, nada, zilch and naff-all in the way of plans, have you? All you can do is, witter on, interminably about what you have done and are currently doing, with no real plan for the future and I'll prove it to you. This council squandered an absolute gold mine of a business nursery, right in the heart of the town centre but lacked the acumen to realise it's potential. The 3 day market should have been a seed bed for business, with fixed, short-terms leases, of no more than 2 years. After 2 years, the business should be either thriving or need to move on. Either way, they have to go, so that another 'start up' can move in. Successful seeds should be transferred to the 5 day market, with a similar, short term lease, so that it has it's overheads are fixed for the medium term. At the end of say, 5 years, they should have been moved into one of the shops that surrounds the market and/or encouraged to find another premises in the town centre, to free up the space. Thus, we would have had new starts in the 3 day market, every so often, that would attract people to look around. They would be exposed to something new but have the chance to go to their favourite stall, in the 5 day market or in the surrounding shops. This would cater for everyone. The council, who want to ensure that all the stalls are full, the trader who wants a passing customer to view his wares and the customer who loves rooting out a bargain. All these talking shops of business leaders and chambers of trade or commerce, should be made to get involved in helping the seedling stall-holders get going. After all, if Marks and Spencer can do it from a market stall, anyone can. That would have been one hell of a plan to have instigated, Mr Kay, instead, as soon as it got a bit tough, the Council hoicked the rents up, drove the stall-holders away and rushed to close it down. With nothing of any substance to replace it. The Council has done more damage to this town than the flaming Luftwaffe could ever do, in just a few planning meetings! Soon, there will be an huge tract of open, derelict land, stretching from the Mall to the Eanam roundabout with nothing on the drawing board to show as a future. And if you think that the new bus station is going to take up that space then you've been sold a pup by both the council and this paper. 18 bus stops won't cover the truth of the matter, at all. Councillor Kay, I rest my case and in the words of Emile Zola, J'accuse! Put pen to paper, set out your plan then hand it in for publication, for all to read and you never know, I might be able to give you an hint towards making some trade for the town.[/p][/quote]Never a truer word you've got it spot on Blackburn has had it full stop. bow1974
  • Score: 12

9:56am Wed 5 Feb 14

Sue Lee says...

There does appear to be a surfeit of emporia in Acronym where when one proffers a guinea one receives a shilling change.
There does appear to be a surfeit of emporia in Acronym where when one proffers a guinea one receives a shilling change. Sue Lee
  • Score: 2

10:54am Wed 5 Feb 14

sean_brfc says...

M.DANNY wrote:
Blackburn has already declined through fault of the Blackburn council .Lack of investments in Blackburn town centre in the 1980s and the 1990s cost Blackburn dearly.
Blackburn is behind Preston and Bolton in retail and leisure investments. Blackburn town centre has no hotel some quality restaurants ,pubs and more high street names just did not invest in Blackburn town centre as they preferred to open in Preston ..Look at Mall Blackburn just one shopping Mall and many shop units empty.Lack of choices in the mall frustrate me then I head to Preston.
Blackburn need more eateries ,more big name stores and good night life like Preston.
The new bus station and regeneration at Boulevard like a new hotel, shops, office blocks and improvement at the Cathedral and the completion of much awaited Orbital Road liking the Wainwright Bridge on Bolton Road has taken a long time that it could be too little too late.
You must be going to a different Preston and a different Bolton to me. These towns are worse than Blackburn.
[quote][p][bold]M.DANNY[/bold] wrote: Blackburn has already declined through fault of the Blackburn council .Lack of investments in Blackburn town centre in the 1980s and the 1990s cost Blackburn dearly. Blackburn is behind Preston and Bolton in retail and leisure investments. Blackburn town centre has no hotel some quality restaurants ,pubs and more high street names just did not invest in Blackburn town centre as they preferred to open in Preston ..Look at Mall Blackburn just one shopping Mall and many shop units empty.Lack of choices in the mall frustrate me then I head to Preston. Blackburn need more eateries ,more big name stores and good night life like Preston. The new bus station and regeneration at Boulevard like a new hotel, shops, office blocks and improvement at the Cathedral and the completion of much awaited Orbital Road liking the Wainwright Bridge on Bolton Road has taken a long time that it could be too little too late.[/p][/quote]You must be going to a different Preston and a different Bolton to me. These towns are worse than Blackburn. sean_brfc
  • Score: -7

11:13am Wed 5 Feb 14

rover95 says...

We will always be a better town than Burnley and accy. We just need to get the nightlife going again. Open the bars and open new pubs like they are doing in darwen.
We will always be a better town than Burnley and accy. We just need to get the nightlife going again. Open the bars and open new pubs like they are doing in darwen. rover95
  • Score: 3

11:43am Wed 5 Feb 14

Lancs - pensioner says...

Where's Saj and Modan, they think Blackburn is bright and beautiful and everything in the garden is rosy!! Say anything different and you upset them, I except Blackburn has big problems but I genuinely hope it gets itself sorted, it still has a core of hardworking people and given a chance any company would be daft not to ask for cheaper rates, putting up rents/rates will drive business away so come on BWDC promote yourself better, give small businesses a chance to get started.
Where's Saj and Modan, they think Blackburn is bright and beautiful and everything in the garden is rosy!! Say anything different and you upset them, I except Blackburn has big problems but I genuinely hope it gets itself sorted, it still has a core of hardworking people and given a chance any company would be daft not to ask for cheaper rates, putting up rents/rates will drive business away so come on BWDC promote yourself better, give small businesses a chance to get started. Lancs - pensioner
  • Score: 9

11:53am Wed 5 Feb 14

abetterblackburn says...

Why are people saying awful things about Blackburn!

Blackburn has had Jack Straw working tirelessly for over thirty odd years making it the wonderful place that it is today. Under his tirelessly dedicated governance he has been able to promote and bring about perfect community cohesion in Blackburn with Darwen unlike most of the other areas surrounding it. Never before has anyone been able to boast about Blackburn where everyone is now able to work together in complete harmony like never before. Jack Straw has had to travel all the way from London for our welfare which is undoubtedly far more than what anyone could ever have expected an MP to have to do. Just what are we going to do without Jack Straw looking after us up here in Blackburn I do not know?

Thankfully, I feel sure that his loyal helper Kate Hollern who can always be found toilling away forever striving to uphold his lifelong endeavours. Indeed, Kate Hollern is the perfect person to carry on his good work after Jack regrettable will be having to retire. I feel sure all within Blackburn with Darwen will be hoping that Kate is successful in obtaining her wish to carry on his good work as MP for Blackburn. It’s an awful prospect I’m sure everyone will agree to have to say Farwell to Jack Straw but this unfortunate happening will soon be upon us. Blackburn without Jack Straw will be like Christmas without it’s Father!

So please, how can anyone criticise Blackburn. It’s a wonderful place thanks to Jack Straw and his crew. You should all be thankful and stop all of those feeble criticisms about what Blackburn is like today. Blackburn is a wonderful place and will always remain so providing Kate is able to carry on Jack Straw‘s good work. Here‘s keeping our fingers crossed!
Why are people saying awful things about Blackburn! Blackburn has had Jack Straw working tirelessly for over thirty odd years making it the wonderful place that it is today. Under his tirelessly dedicated governance he has been able to promote and bring about perfect community cohesion in Blackburn with Darwen unlike most of the other areas surrounding it. Never before has anyone been able to boast about Blackburn where everyone is now able to work together in complete harmony like never before. Jack Straw has had to travel all the way from London for our welfare which is undoubtedly far more than what anyone could ever have expected an MP to have to do. Just what are we going to do without Jack Straw looking after us up here in Blackburn I do not know? Thankfully, I feel sure that his loyal helper Kate Hollern who can always be found toilling away forever striving to uphold his lifelong endeavours. Indeed, Kate Hollern is the perfect person to carry on his good work after Jack regrettable will be having to retire. I feel sure all within Blackburn with Darwen will be hoping that Kate is successful in obtaining her wish to carry on his good work as MP for Blackburn. It’s an awful prospect I’m sure everyone will agree to have to say Farwell to Jack Straw but this unfortunate happening will soon be upon us. Blackburn without Jack Straw will be like Christmas without it’s Father! So please, how can anyone criticise Blackburn. It’s a wonderful place thanks to Jack Straw and his crew. You should all be thankful and stop all of those feeble criticisms about what Blackburn is like today. Blackburn is a wonderful place and will always remain so providing Kate is able to carry on Jack Straw‘s good work. Here‘s keeping our fingers crossed! abetterblackburn
  • Score: -5

12:30pm Wed 5 Feb 14

It's a spade! says...

Jack Herer wrote:
It's a spade! wrote:
Lets be honest here folks. I'm a proud Lancastrian but the despite the Millions of Pounds being spent, all the Lancashire mill towns are holes. There are odd nice suburubs but in the main they've died and there's not a lot to be done.

Maybe Burnley, Pendle, Rossendale, Hyndburn & Blackburn should sit down together and decide to give up one of these major towns. Move all the scummy dossers, scroungers, druggies and lowlifes altogether into the same place from all of the areas. That way the police can concentrate their resources and those people that do care can live amongst like minded people to "save" the other areas and money can be spent there to bring them back up to scratch. You could bring in rules that if people didn't maintain their houses, paint them regularly., allowed their dogs to foul the pavments and drop litter then they would be deported to the scummy town and have their house removed as a penalty. A ghetto yes, but not based on colour, creed, religion or sex but scumminess.
Quick question - do you foresee this "scummy town" as a lawless free for all, with roaming gangs, like New York in Escape From New York?

Or would it be a simple camp arrangement, with watch towers to spot child escapees making a run for the promised land of Burnley or Rossendale or Pendle - or whichever dodges the ghetto bullet?

Your suggestion seems amazing at first glance. Less so in reality I fear.
Oh no, it would be well policed! Like I said they could concentrate their recsources. Save a fortune on petrol and manning police stations in decent areas. The odd watchtower with snipers should suffice but a few mine fields wouldn't go amiss. There could be centres for those who want to better themselves to prove their worth to a decent society, let's call them schools. Those that don't want to bother don't have to, but they'll never leave. We could start with those with criminal convictions, ASBO's, drug users, County & Borough Councillors as well. No state benefits to be paid to anyone in the ghetto (incentivisation), If they're hungry they can eat the Staffy's and then each other.

Additional benefits would include them not spoiling your holidays by turning up at the all-inclusive and the school perfomance at those in the good areas would go through the roof. Insurance costs would plummet elsewhere as all the scum bags are kept in one place. Anyone who commits crimes such as burglary, benefit fraud etc would not go to prison but be moved to scummy town where they can carry on robbing each other at will. The prisons could be kept for murderers, rapists, child abusers etc. thus freeing up space (another added benefit) Eventually we could move on to medical castration and sterilisation to stop them breeding. When they've died out the ghetto town could be re-colonised by decent people with some sort of government incentives to do so. (A bit like when the Aussies paid people to emigrate there).
[quote][p][bold]Jack Herer[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]It's a spade![/bold] wrote: Lets be honest here folks. I'm a proud Lancastrian but the despite the Millions of Pounds being spent, all the Lancashire mill towns are holes. There are odd nice suburubs but in the main they've died and there's not a lot to be done. Maybe Burnley, Pendle, Rossendale, Hyndburn & Blackburn should sit down together and decide to give up one of these major towns. Move all the scummy dossers, scroungers, druggies and lowlifes altogether into the same place from all of the areas. That way the police can concentrate their resources and those people that do care can live amongst like minded people to "save" the other areas and money can be spent there to bring them back up to scratch. You could bring in rules that if people didn't maintain their houses, paint them regularly., allowed their dogs to foul the pavments and drop litter then they would be deported to the scummy town and have their house removed as a penalty. A ghetto yes, but not based on colour, creed, religion or sex but scumminess.[/p][/quote]Quick question - do you foresee this "scummy town" as a lawless free for all, with roaming gangs, like New York in Escape From New York? Or would it be a simple camp arrangement, with watch towers to spot child escapees making a run for the promised land of Burnley or Rossendale or Pendle - or whichever dodges the ghetto bullet? Your suggestion seems amazing at first glance. Less so in reality I fear.[/p][/quote]Oh no, it would be well policed! Like I said they could concentrate their recsources. Save a fortune on petrol and manning police stations in decent areas. The odd watchtower with snipers should suffice but a few mine fields wouldn't go amiss. There could be centres for those who want to better themselves to prove their worth to a decent society, let's call them schools. Those that don't want to bother don't have to, but they'll never leave. We could start with those with criminal convictions, ASBO's, drug users, County & Borough Councillors as well. No state benefits to be paid to anyone in the ghetto (incentivisation), If they're hungry they can eat the Staffy's and then each other. Additional benefits would include them not spoiling your holidays by turning up at the all-inclusive and the school perfomance at those in the good areas would go through the roof. Insurance costs would plummet elsewhere as all the scum bags are kept in one place. Anyone who commits crimes such as burglary, benefit fraud etc would not go to prison but be moved to scummy town where they can carry on robbing each other at will. The prisons could be kept for murderers, rapists, child abusers etc. thus freeing up space (another added benefit) Eventually we could move on to medical castration and sterilisation to stop them breeding. When they've died out the ghetto town could be re-colonised by decent people with some sort of government incentives to do so. (A bit like when the Aussies paid people to emigrate there). It's a spade!
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8:05pm Wed 5 Feb 14

woolywords says...

I must have been half asleep when I wrote my comment, this morning. How I failed to notice a glaring error, that has only just struck me, I'll never know.

Why is Andy Kay making announcements for the regeneration of Blackburn town centre, don't we have someone to take care of that job, already?
Or is Cllr Bateson not sufficiently au fait with her job yet, to make promises from her own department?
Perhaps it's just a local thing, where anyone does everyone else's job, apart from the one they are paid to do..
I must have been half asleep when I wrote my comment, this morning. How I failed to notice a glaring error, that has only just struck me, I'll never know. Why is Andy Kay making announcements for the regeneration of Blackburn town centre, don't we have someone to take care of that job, already? Or is Cllr Bateson not sufficiently au fait with her job yet, to make promises from her own department? Perhaps it's just a local thing, where anyone does everyone else's job, apart from the one they are paid to do.. woolywords
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9:36pm Wed 5 Feb 14

mmickk says...

abetterblackburn wrote:
Why are people saying awful things about Blackburn!

Blackburn has had Jack Straw working tirelessly for over thirty odd years making it the wonderful place that it is today. Under his tirelessly dedicated governance he has been able to promote and bring about perfect community cohesion in Blackburn with Darwen unlike most of the other areas surrounding it. Never before has anyone been able to boast about Blackburn where everyone is now able to work together in complete harmony like never before. Jack Straw has had to travel all the way from London for our welfare which is undoubtedly far more than what anyone could ever have expected an MP to have to do. Just what are we going to do without Jack Straw looking after us up here in Blackburn I do not know?

Thankfully, I feel sure that his loyal helper Kate Hollern who can always be found toilling away forever striving to uphold his lifelong endeavours. Indeed, Kate Hollern is the perfect person to carry on his good work after Jack regrettable will be having to retire. I feel sure all within Blackburn with Darwen will be hoping that Kate is successful in obtaining her wish to carry on his good work as MP for Blackburn. It’s an awful prospect I’m sure everyone will agree to have to say Farwell to Jack Straw but this unfortunate happening will soon be upon us. Blackburn without Jack Straw will be like Christmas without it’s Father!

So please, how can anyone criticise Blackburn. It’s a wonderful place thanks to Jack Straw and his crew. You should all be thankful and stop all of those feeble criticisms about what Blackburn is like today. Blackburn is a wonderful place and will always remain so providing Kate is able to carry on Jack Straw‘s good work. Here‘s keeping our fingers crossed!
Are you a smack head by any chance?
[quote][p][bold]abetterblackburn[/bold] wrote: Why are people saying awful things about Blackburn! Blackburn has had Jack Straw working tirelessly for over thirty odd years making it the wonderful place that it is today. Under his tirelessly dedicated governance he has been able to promote and bring about perfect community cohesion in Blackburn with Darwen unlike most of the other areas surrounding it. Never before has anyone been able to boast about Blackburn where everyone is now able to work together in complete harmony like never before. Jack Straw has had to travel all the way from London for our welfare which is undoubtedly far more than what anyone could ever have expected an MP to have to do. Just what are we going to do without Jack Straw looking after us up here in Blackburn I do not know? Thankfully, I feel sure that his loyal helper Kate Hollern who can always be found toilling away forever striving to uphold his lifelong endeavours. Indeed, Kate Hollern is the perfect person to carry on his good work after Jack regrettable will be having to retire. I feel sure all within Blackburn with Darwen will be hoping that Kate is successful in obtaining her wish to carry on his good work as MP for Blackburn. It’s an awful prospect I’m sure everyone will agree to have to say Farwell to Jack Straw but this unfortunate happening will soon be upon us. Blackburn without Jack Straw will be like Christmas without it’s Father! So please, how can anyone criticise Blackburn. It’s a wonderful place thanks to Jack Straw and his crew. You should all be thankful and stop all of those feeble criticisms about what Blackburn is like today. Blackburn is a wonderful place and will always remain so providing Kate is able to carry on Jack Straw‘s good work. Here‘s keeping our fingers crossed![/p][/quote]Are you a smack head by any chance? mmickk
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10:52am Thu 6 Feb 14

abetterblackburn says...

Whoops, how did you guess!
Whoops, how did you guess! abetterblackburn
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