Orlando Bridge closed to large vehicles

Bollards have been put on Orlando Bridge, which connects Manchester Road with Orlando Street

Bollards have been put on Orlando Bridge, which connects Manchester Road with Orlando Street

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A TOWN centre road has been closed to large vehicles because it has been deemed unsafe.

Bollards have been put on Orlando Bridge, which connects Manchester Road with Orlando Street, to narrow the access route to a 6ft 6in space — stopping large vans and lorries from crossing the bridge.

Network Rail, which owns the bridge, requested that Bolton Council install the new safety measures after an inspection.

There had previously been a 7.5-tonne weight limit imposed on the bridge — but it was thought that larger vehicles were ignoring the signs and putting pressure on the weak structure.

A council spokesman said: “We appreciate that, as with any changes to the layout of a road, it can take time for some people to adapt to the changes.

"However, the bollards have been installed for safety reasons.”

Signs have been put up in Manchester Road and Thynne Street to warn motorists of the changes and further signs and road markings are due to be installed.”

Former councillor, Bill Collison, who is a retired engineer, praised the council for “making the people of Bolton safe again”.

He said: “After complaining about irresponsible drivers driving 40-tonne vehicles across Orlando Bridge and ignoring a weak bridge sign and a 7.5-tonne weight limit, something has finally been done.

“I would like to commend those involved for listening and making Bolton safer for both road and rail. These restrictions could save lives.

“Any car drivers complaining because they cannot get through the gap should not be allowed on the road because they are not good drivers.”

But Scott Bird, of Leyton Close, Farnworth, added: “How anyone can think that the placing of major obstructions in the middle of a busy road, just around a sharp corner, can help improve road safety is beyond my comprehension.”

  • On Monday, January 20, an Audi car flipped on to its side when trying to get through the bollards.

A 22-year-old has been charged with aggravating vehicle taking and vehicle damage.

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4:37pm Thu 30 Jan 14

AndrewMartinS says...

It's hard to know what is going on here at the moment: one minute the bridge is closed, the next it is reopened, then at the moment there are "Road Closed" signs but cars are still parking on the ramps.
It's hard to know what is going on here at the moment: one minute the bridge is closed, the next it is reopened, then at the moment there are "Road Closed" signs but cars are still parking on the ramps. AndrewMartinS
  • Score: 12

4:37pm Thu 30 Jan 14

MarkAllRead says...

It doesn't seem to have occurred to Network Rail or the council to perhaps repair the bridge. What a load of bollards.
It doesn't seem to have occurred to Network Rail or the council to perhaps repair the bridge. What a load of bollards. MarkAllRead
  • Score: 20

5:00pm Thu 30 Jan 14

notatroll says...

I work next to orlando bridge and saw them install these. The two on one side are fine and the one leading down to manchester rd is fine too. The one leading up from manchester rd has no warnings that there is a BOLLARD there only a new layout which if not seen when driving up manchester rd is visible ONLY when you've gone round the corner. this is why its closed. as 3 people have crashed so far and network rail/bolton council/george cox are responsible to an extent for this due to bad planning of the bollards and lack of approriate signage. if you drive too fast its your own fault but its a 30mph area and the stopping distance from 30mph to where the bollards are seen will more or less hit the bollards!! the whole area is a mess!! i ride a bike and the bike lanes are too wide!! so cars drive in them due to wideness thus rendering unsafe. the ramps arent clearly visible til driven over as black and green no white to reflect. the old road markings are still visible so cause confusion and the traffic islands are too close to exits so can casue accidnets. well done for whoever planned this !!! should run for council....
I work next to orlando bridge and saw them install these. The two on one side are fine and the one leading down to manchester rd is fine too. The one leading up from manchester rd has no warnings that there is a BOLLARD there only a new layout which if not seen when driving up manchester rd is visible ONLY when you've gone round the corner. this is why its closed. as 3 people have crashed so far and network rail/bolton council/george cox are responsible to an extent for this due to bad planning of the bollards and lack of approriate signage. if you drive too fast its your own fault but its a 30mph area and the stopping distance from 30mph to where the bollards are seen will more or less hit the bollards!! the whole area is a mess!! i ride a bike and the bike lanes are too wide!! so cars drive in them due to wideness thus rendering unsafe. the ramps arent clearly visible til driven over as black and green no white to reflect. the old road markings are still visible so cause confusion and the traffic islands are too close to exits so can casue accidnets. well done for whoever planned this !!! should run for council.... notatroll
  • Score: 28

6:44pm Thu 30 Jan 14

steveG says...

Closing bridges would appear to be a theme the council are keen to pursue.
Closing bridges would appear to be a theme the council are keen to pursue. steveG
  • Score: 5

6:56pm Thu 30 Jan 14

robbieh says...

Repair the bridge or close it completely, either way it isn't safe and these bollards are only going to cause more accidents.
Repair the bridge or close it completely, either way it isn't safe and these bollards are only going to cause more accidents. robbieh
  • Score: 11

7:19pm Thu 30 Jan 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

There's nothing wrong with the bollards. Just other people's careless driving!
There's nothing wrong with the bollards. Just other people's careless driving! FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 4

7:25pm Thu 30 Jan 14

You Have To Be Kidding says...

Got to agree with other people on here, whoever installed those bollards on Orlando Bridge from Manchester Road wants sacking. They are a danger, nearly hit them myself the other day as there is NO WARNING about them.

Someone is going to get killed, or worse, a car could veneer off the bridge trying to avoid them and onto the train tracks below - now imagine if a train was coming at the same time?

It can happen, never say never...

I am all for restrictions to protect the bridge but there has to be another way around it, other than what they have done.
Got to agree with other people on here, whoever installed those bollards on Orlando Bridge from Manchester Road wants sacking. They are a danger, nearly hit them myself the other day as there is NO WARNING about them. Someone is going to get killed, or worse, a car could veneer off the bridge trying to avoid them and onto the train tracks below - now imagine if a train was coming at the same time? It can happen, never say never... I am all for restrictions to protect the bridge but there has to be another way around it, other than what they have done. You Have To Be Kidding
  • Score: 4

7:33pm Thu 30 Jan 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

The bollards are positioned so that the travel of the car goes through the middle of the lane (where people should drive anyway). If anybody hits the bollards, then they are either driving in the bicycle lane or in the middle of the road (not in the middle of the lane), and like I said before, it is people's careless driving that is the problem and if people can't see the bollards, then they shouldn't be driving.
The bollards are positioned so that the travel of the car goes through the middle of the lane (where people should drive anyway). If anybody hits the bollards, then they are either driving in the bicycle lane or in the middle of the road (not in the middle of the lane), and like I said before, it is people's careless driving that is the problem and if people can't see the bollards, then they shouldn't be driving. FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 3

7:58pm Thu 30 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
There's nothing wrong with the bollards. Just other people's careless driving!
Nope - the bollards FROM Manchester Road are far too close after the bend and do not give enough room to manoeuvre to go through them. I drive a 206 and I knew about them and I followed the new road layout and almost went into it (and I was doing about 10 mph as I couldn't see the bollards until after turning the bend - remember this si still a 30 zone and as such should bee able to drive through at 30 with no problem - but you can't!!! It is the complete layout that is the problem as if you do follow it you will crash into it - hence the 3 crashes so far (and its only been done 2 weeks ago!!!!!)

The bollards are hidden from view, until you actually turn the corner - that is dangerous and not carefully planned - and possibly illegal given the speed limit and lack of signs!
[quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: There's nothing wrong with the bollards. Just other people's careless driving![/p][/quote]Nope - the bollards FROM Manchester Road are far too close after the bend and do not give enough room to manoeuvre to go through them. I drive a 206 and I knew about them and I followed the new road layout and almost went into it (and I was doing about 10 mph as I couldn't see the bollards until after turning the bend - remember this si still a 30 zone and as such should bee able to drive through at 30 with no problem - but you can't!!! It is the complete layout that is the problem as if you do follow it you will crash into it - hence the 3 crashes so far (and its only been done 2 weeks ago!!!!!) The bollards are hidden from view, until you actually turn the corner - that is dangerous and not carefully planned - and possibly illegal given the speed limit and lack of signs! BWFC71
  • Score: -65

8:35pm Thu 30 Jan 14

mr.mark.c says...

30mph is a limit not a target, you should drive so you can safely stop within your line of sight.
At the end of the day its driving without due care and attention, what if a small child was crossing the road ?
30mph is a limit not a target, you should drive so you can safely stop within your line of sight. At the end of the day its driving without due care and attention, what if a small child was crossing the road ? mr.mark.c
  • Score: 0

9:09pm Thu 30 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
30mph is a limit not a target, you should drive so you can safely stop within your line of sight.
At the end of the day its driving without due care and attention, what if a small child was crossing the road ?
Thee same can be said for any road, but if its a 30mph then it HAS to be safe to drive through at 30 with no problem whatsoever!!!!
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: 30mph is a limit not a target, you should drive so you can safely stop within your line of sight. At the end of the day its driving without due care and attention, what if a small child was crossing the road ?[/p][/quote]Thee same can be said for any road, but if its a 30mph then it HAS to be safe to drive through at 30 with no problem whatsoever!!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -63

9:45pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Comment777 says...

You Have To Be Kidding wrote:
Got to agree with other people on here, whoever installed those bollards on Orlando Bridge from Manchester Road wants sacking. They are a danger, nearly hit them myself the other day as there is NO WARNING about them.

Someone is going to get killed, or worse, a car could veneer off the bridge trying to avoid them and onto the train tracks below - now imagine if a train was coming at the same time?

It can happen, never say never...

I am all for restrictions to protect the bridge but there has to be another way around it, other than what they have done.
'Veneer off the road'...that would be a sight to behold!
[quote][p][bold]You Have To Be Kidding[/bold] wrote: Got to agree with other people on here, whoever installed those bollards on Orlando Bridge from Manchester Road wants sacking. They are a danger, nearly hit them myself the other day as there is NO WARNING about them. Someone is going to get killed, or worse, a car could veneer off the bridge trying to avoid them and onto the train tracks below - now imagine if a train was coming at the same time? It can happen, never say never... I am all for restrictions to protect the bridge but there has to be another way around it, other than what they have done.[/p][/quote]'Veneer off the road'...that would be a sight to behold! Comment777
  • Score: 1

10:01pm Thu 30 Jan 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

I see BWFC71 has put her pennies worth in as usual. Like I said, if you can't see the bollards that are at either side of the road then you shouldn't be driving. Shouldn't be taking tight bends at 30mph anyway as George Cox installed a bollard for public crossing turning off Manchester Road as cars were going way too fast cutting on to the bridge and people were finding it difficult to cross. So you must be a CR4P driver if you couldn't negotiate the bollards at 10mph. The End.
I see BWFC71 has put her pennies worth in as usual. Like I said, if you can't see the bollards that are at either side of the road then you shouldn't be driving. Shouldn't be taking tight bends at 30mph anyway as George Cox installed a bollard for public crossing turning off Manchester Road as cars were going way too fast cutting on to the bridge and people were finding it difficult to cross. So you must be a CR4P driver if you couldn't negotiate the bollards at 10mph. The End. FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 13

10:11pm Thu 30 Jan 14

mr.mark.c says...

BWFC71 wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
30mph is a limit not a target, you should drive so you can safely stop within your line of sight.
At the end of the day its driving without due care and attention, what if a small child was crossing the road ?
Thee same can be said for any road, but if its a 30mph then it HAS to be safe to drive through at 30 with no problem whatsoever!!!!
I take it the same goes for 60MPH lanes?
Sorry but a blind bend is just that and the limit a maximum speed, the driver is expected to drive to road conditions and visibility, I do not know your age but these days drivers have to pass a hazzard perception test and a Highway code test.
I call it common sense.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: 30mph is a limit not a target, you should drive so you can safely stop within your line of sight. At the end of the day its driving without due care and attention, what if a small child was crossing the road ?[/p][/quote]Thee same can be said for any road, but if its a 30mph then it HAS to be safe to drive through at 30 with no problem whatsoever!!!![/p][/quote]I take it the same goes for 60MPH lanes? Sorry but a blind bend is just that and the limit a maximum speed, the driver is expected to drive to road conditions and visibility, I do not know your age but these days drivers have to pass a hazzard perception test and a Highway code test. I call it common sense. mr.mark.c
  • Score: -10

10:13pm Thu 30 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
I see BWFC71 has put her pennies worth in as usual. Like I said, if you can't see the bollards that are at either side of the road then you shouldn't be driving. Shouldn't be taking tight bends at 30mph anyway as George Cox installed a bollard for public crossing turning off Manchester Road as cars were going way too fast cutting on to the bridge and people were finding it difficult to cross. So you must be a CR4P driver if you couldn't negotiate the bollards at 10mph. The End.
So it seems to me that you haven't driven from Manchester Road along Orlando Bridge - I bet you don't even know where it is considering you don't even live in Bolton!

As it is I am a safe driver and NEVER had an accident.

But the law states if the road is in a 30mph zone then it HAS to be safe enough to drive at 30mph or put up signs, BEFORE the bollards, or any other road furniture, to reduce the speed limit (check it out, if you don't believe)
[quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: I see BWFC71 has put her pennies worth in as usual. Like I said, if you can't see the bollards that are at either side of the road then you shouldn't be driving. Shouldn't be taking tight bends at 30mph anyway as George Cox installed a bollard for public crossing turning off Manchester Road as cars were going way too fast cutting on to the bridge and people were finding it difficult to cross. So you must be a CR4P driver if you couldn't negotiate the bollards at 10mph. The End.[/p][/quote]So it seems to me that you haven't driven from Manchester Road along Orlando Bridge - I bet you don't even know where it is considering you don't even live in Bolton! As it is I am a safe driver and NEVER had an accident. But the law states if the road is in a 30mph zone then it HAS to be safe enough to drive at 30mph or put up signs, BEFORE the bollards, or any other road furniture, to reduce the speed limit (check it out, if you don't believe) BWFC71
  • Score: -60

10:21pm Thu 30 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
30mph is a limit not a target, you should drive so you can safely stop within your line of sight.
At the end of the day its driving without due care and attention, what if a small child was crossing the road ?
Thee same can be said for any road, but if its a 30mph then it HAS to be safe to drive through at 30 with no problem whatsoever!!!!
I take it the same goes for 60MPH lanes?
Sorry but a blind bend is just that and the limit a maximum speed, the driver is expected to drive to road conditions and visibility, I do not know your age but these days drivers have to pass a hazzard perception test and a Highway code test.
I call it common sense.
If the bend cannot be taken at 30 then a slower speed limit HAS to be shown before the bend - that the law as it stands.

Currently any accident due to poor road signs is the fault of Bolton Council, and NOT the drivers!!!

I passed the theory, practical and advanced tests, and never had an accident!
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: 30mph is a limit not a target, you should drive so you can safely stop within your line of sight. At the end of the day its driving without due care and attention, what if a small child was crossing the road ?[/p][/quote]Thee same can be said for any road, but if its a 30mph then it HAS to be safe to drive through at 30 with no problem whatsoever!!!![/p][/quote]I take it the same goes for 60MPH lanes? Sorry but a blind bend is just that and the limit a maximum speed, the driver is expected to drive to road conditions and visibility, I do not know your age but these days drivers have to pass a hazzard perception test and a Highway code test. I call it common sense.[/p][/quote]If the bend cannot be taken at 30 then a slower speed limit HAS to be shown before the bend - that the law as it stands. Currently any accident due to poor road signs is the fault of Bolton Council, and NOT the drivers!!! I passed the theory, practical and advanced tests, and never had an accident! BWFC71
  • Score: -62

10:23pm Thu 30 Jan 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
I see BWFC71 has put her pennies worth in as usual. Like I said, if you can't see the bollards that are at either side of the road then you shouldn't be driving. Shouldn't be taking tight bends at 30mph anyway as George Cox installed a bollard for public crossing turning off Manchester Road as cars were going way too fast cutting on to the bridge and people were finding it difficult to cross. So you must be a CR4P driver if you couldn't negotiate the bollards at 10mph. The End.
So it seems to me that you haven't driven from Manchester Road along Orlando Bridge - I bet you don't even know where it is considering you don't even live in Bolton!

As it is I am a safe driver and NEVER had an accident.

But the law states if the road is in a 30mph zone then it HAS to be safe enough to drive at 30mph or put up signs, BEFORE the bollards, or any other road furniture, to reduce the speed limit (check it out, if you don't believe)
Yes I have driven the route more than a dozen times and yes I am from, and do live in Bolton. Like I said on my previous post, that you kindly quoted. George Cox installed a bollard at the beginning of the bridge leading off Manchester Road to reduce the speed of cars that were whizzing from Manchester Road on to Orlando Bridge at a ridiculous speed, and to help the public in crossing, so nobody should be taking the bend at 30mph. Time of the month BWFC71?
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: I see BWFC71 has put her pennies worth in as usual. Like I said, if you can't see the bollards that are at either side of the road then you shouldn't be driving. Shouldn't be taking tight bends at 30mph anyway as George Cox installed a bollard for public crossing turning off Manchester Road as cars were going way too fast cutting on to the bridge and people were finding it difficult to cross. So you must be a CR4P driver if you couldn't negotiate the bollards at 10mph. The End.[/p][/quote]So it seems to me that you haven't driven from Manchester Road along Orlando Bridge - I bet you don't even know where it is considering you don't even live in Bolton! As it is I am a safe driver and NEVER had an accident. But the law states if the road is in a 30mph zone then it HAS to be safe enough to drive at 30mph or put up signs, BEFORE the bollards, or any other road furniture, to reduce the speed limit (check it out, if you don't believe)[/p][/quote]Yes I have driven the route more than a dozen times and yes I am from, and do live in Bolton. Like I said on my previous post, that you kindly quoted. George Cox installed a bollard at the beginning of the bridge leading off Manchester Road to reduce the speed of cars that were whizzing from Manchester Road on to Orlando Bridge at a ridiculous speed, and to help the public in crossing, so nobody should be taking the bend at 30mph. Time of the month BWFC71? FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 9

10:31pm Thu 30 Jan 14

mr.mark.c says...

BWFC71 wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
30mph is a limit not a target, you should drive so you can safely stop within your line of sight.
At the end of the day its driving without due care and attention, what if a small child was crossing the road ?
Thee same can be said for any road, but if its a 30mph then it HAS to be safe to drive through at 30 with no problem whatsoever!!!!
I take it the same goes for 60MPH lanes?
Sorry but a blind bend is just that and the limit a maximum speed, the driver is expected to drive to road conditions and visibility, I do not know your age but these days drivers have to pass a hazzard perception test and a Highway code test.
I call it common sense.
If the bend cannot be taken at 30 then a slower speed limit HAS to be shown before the bend - that the law as it stands.

Currently any accident due to poor road signs is the fault of Bolton Council, and NOT the drivers!!!

I passed the theory, practical and advanced tests, and never had an accident!
So no comment on the 60MPH lanes/roads with tight bends ?
I do not want to argue or keep repeating myself but it is a limit not a target speed, nor is it a safe speed according to law.
Was your advanced test using Roadcraft or a pass plus ?
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: 30mph is a limit not a target, you should drive so you can safely stop within your line of sight. At the end of the day its driving without due care and attention, what if a small child was crossing the road ?[/p][/quote]Thee same can be said for any road, but if its a 30mph then it HAS to be safe to drive through at 30 with no problem whatsoever!!!![/p][/quote]I take it the same goes for 60MPH lanes? Sorry but a blind bend is just that and the limit a maximum speed, the driver is expected to drive to road conditions and visibility, I do not know your age but these days drivers have to pass a hazzard perception test and a Highway code test. I call it common sense.[/p][/quote]If the bend cannot be taken at 30 then a slower speed limit HAS to be shown before the bend - that the law as it stands. Currently any accident due to poor road signs is the fault of Bolton Council, and NOT the drivers!!! I passed the theory, practical and advanced tests, and never had an accident![/p][/quote]So no comment on the 60MPH lanes/roads with tight bends ? I do not want to argue or keep repeating myself but it is a limit not a target speed, nor is it a safe speed according to law. Was your advanced test using Roadcraft or a pass plus ? mr.mark.c
  • Score: -7

10:41pm Thu 30 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
30mph is a limit not a target, you should drive so you can safely stop within your line of sight.
At the end of the day its driving without due care and attention, what if a small child was crossing the road ?
Thee same can be said for any road, but if its a 30mph then it HAS to be safe to drive through at 30 with no problem whatsoever!!!!
I take it the same goes for 60MPH lanes?
Sorry but a blind bend is just that and the limit a maximum speed, the driver is expected to drive to road conditions and visibility, I do not know your age but these days drivers have to pass a hazzard perception test and a Highway code test.
I call it common sense.
If the bend cannot be taken at 30 then a slower speed limit HAS to be shown before the bend - that the law as it stands.

Currently any accident due to poor road signs is the fault of Bolton Council, and NOT the drivers!!!

I passed the theory, practical and advanced tests, and never had an accident!
So no comment on the 60MPH lanes/roads with tight bends ?
I do not want to argue or keep repeating myself but it is a limit not a target speed, nor is it a safe speed according to law.
Was your advanced test using Roadcraft or a pass plus ?
I know what you are saying but the fact remains as it is in a 30mph one should be able to drive round the bend and through the bollards at 30mph (yes weather conditions have a say)

60 mph lanes have to, by law, be able to take a car to drive up to and at a constant 60mph - if it cannot then there HAS to be signs to advise on a lower speed limit.


Not once did I say that the speed limit is the target to aim for but neither did I say that one has to drive under the limit - I was just pointing out that if its a 30mph, or a 60mph then the road, by law, has to be able to take vehicles doing that limit!!! As it is there if one drives too much under the limit it can be classed as dangerous driving!

As it is, my Advanced driving test was based upon the Met's principles and as such that means I took the Roadcraft discipline - as there are more than 2 versions or Advanced Driving!
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: 30mph is a limit not a target, you should drive so you can safely stop within your line of sight. At the end of the day its driving without due care and attention, what if a small child was crossing the road ?[/p][/quote]Thee same can be said for any road, but if its a 30mph then it HAS to be safe to drive through at 30 with no problem whatsoever!!!![/p][/quote]I take it the same goes for 60MPH lanes? Sorry but a blind bend is just that and the limit a maximum speed, the driver is expected to drive to road conditions and visibility, I do not know your age but these days drivers have to pass a hazzard perception test and a Highway code test. I call it common sense.[/p][/quote]If the bend cannot be taken at 30 then a slower speed limit HAS to be shown before the bend - that the law as it stands. Currently any accident due to poor road signs is the fault of Bolton Council, and NOT the drivers!!! I passed the theory, practical and advanced tests, and never had an accident![/p][/quote]So no comment on the 60MPH lanes/roads with tight bends ? I do not want to argue or keep repeating myself but it is a limit not a target speed, nor is it a safe speed according to law. Was your advanced test using Roadcraft or a pass plus ?[/p][/quote]I know what you are saying but the fact remains as it is in a 30mph one should be able to drive round the bend and through the bollards at 30mph (yes weather conditions have a say) 60 mph lanes have to, by law, be able to take a car to drive up to and at a constant 60mph - if it cannot then there HAS to be signs to advise on a lower speed limit. Not once did I say that the speed limit is the target to aim for but neither did I say that one has to drive under the limit - I was just pointing out that if its a 30mph, or a 60mph then the road, by law, has to be able to take vehicles doing that limit!!! As it is there if one drives too much under the limit it can be classed as dangerous driving! As it is, my Advanced driving test was based upon the Met's principles and as such that means I took the Roadcraft discipline - as there are more than 2 versions or Advanced Driving! BWFC71
  • Score: -61

10:59pm Thu 30 Jan 14

mr.mark.c says...

I have only driven from the other side and that was at 3am, I have to go to machine mart in the morning and will look at the signs and be truthful to what I think but looking at the pic they should mark the left part green as a cycle path ? if anything.
I have only driven from the other side and that was at 3am, I have to go to machine mart in the morning and will look at the signs and be truthful to what I think but looking at the pic they should mark the left part green as a cycle path ? if anything. mr.mark.c
  • Score: -2

11:29pm Thu 30 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
I see BWFC71 has put her pennies worth in as usual. Like I said, if you can't see the bollards that are at either side of the road then you shouldn't be driving. Shouldn't be taking tight bends at 30mph anyway as George Cox installed a bollard for public crossing turning off Manchester Road as cars were going way too fast cutting on to the bridge and people were finding it difficult to cross. So you must be a CR4P driver if you couldn't negotiate the bollards at 10mph. The End.
So it seems to me that you haven't driven from Manchester Road along Orlando Bridge - I bet you don't even know where it is considering you don't even live in Bolton!

As it is I am a safe driver and NEVER had an accident.

But the law states if the road is in a 30mph zone then it HAS to be safe enough to drive at 30mph or put up signs, BEFORE the bollards, or any other road furniture, to reduce the speed limit (check it out, if you don't believe)
Yes I have driven the route more than a dozen times and yes I am from, and do live in Bolton. Like I said on my previous post, that you kindly quoted. George Cox installed a bollard at the beginning of the bridge leading off Manchester Road to reduce the speed of cars that were whizzing from Manchester Road on to Orlando Bridge at a ridiculous speed, and to help the public in crossing, so nobody should be taking the bend at 30mph. Time of the month BWFC71?
So if you have driven over it a dozen times, already, then you must have been breaking the law. It has been closed ALL this week, until today, it was closed over the weekend and for at least 2 days last week and the bollards have only been there or 2 weeks!!!
[quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: I see BWFC71 has put her pennies worth in as usual. Like I said, if you can't see the bollards that are at either side of the road then you shouldn't be driving. Shouldn't be taking tight bends at 30mph anyway as George Cox installed a bollard for public crossing turning off Manchester Road as cars were going way too fast cutting on to the bridge and people were finding it difficult to cross. So you must be a CR4P driver if you couldn't negotiate the bollards at 10mph. The End.[/p][/quote]So it seems to me that you haven't driven from Manchester Road along Orlando Bridge - I bet you don't even know where it is considering you don't even live in Bolton! As it is I am a safe driver and NEVER had an accident. But the law states if the road is in a 30mph zone then it HAS to be safe enough to drive at 30mph or put up signs, BEFORE the bollards, or any other road furniture, to reduce the speed limit (check it out, if you don't believe)[/p][/quote]Yes I have driven the route more than a dozen times and yes I am from, and do live in Bolton. Like I said on my previous post, that you kindly quoted. George Cox installed a bollard at the beginning of the bridge leading off Manchester Road to reduce the speed of cars that were whizzing from Manchester Road on to Orlando Bridge at a ridiculous speed, and to help the public in crossing, so nobody should be taking the bend at 30mph. Time of the month BWFC71?[/p][/quote]So if you have driven over it a dozen times, already, then you must have been breaking the law. It has been closed ALL this week, until today, it was closed over the weekend and for at least 2 days last week and the bollards have only been there or 2 weeks!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -83

11:50pm Thu 30 Jan 14

jojogreengolf says...

I drive through here twice a day, every day to work. Or I would if the road wasn't shut due to another car crashing into the barriers! It is getting on my nerves now. I'm sick of having to join a queue every day as all the traffic being diverted is causing chaos at peak times. How come they have the money to put stupid barriers up when they can't seem to find the money to collect our bins or even fill pot holes? I have lived in Bolton, Salford, Whitefield and Bury and Bolton council are the worst of the worst in so many aspects, especially bad the past 12 months. Maybe we should ask Bolton Council how much they spend on posh buffets for their many meetings? I have cleaned a property that supplies these Council buffets. And let me tell you they arn't cheap and quite extravagent. Prawn vol-au-event anyone?
I drive through here twice a day, every day to work. Or I would if the road wasn't shut due to another car crashing into the barriers! It is getting on my nerves now. I'm sick of having to join a queue every day as all the traffic being diverted is causing chaos at peak times. How come they have the money to put stupid barriers up when they can't seem to find the money to collect our bins or even fill pot holes? I have lived in Bolton, Salford, Whitefield and Bury and Bolton council are the worst of the worst in so many aspects, especially bad the past 12 months. Maybe we should ask Bolton Council how much they spend on posh buffets for their many meetings? I have cleaned a property that supplies these Council buffets. And let me tell you they arn't cheap and quite extravagent. Prawn vol-au-event anyone? jojogreengolf
  • Score: 2

12:50am Fri 31 Jan 14

firksyyyyy says...

People are missing the point about this topic. It`s a weight issue, when you speed up the vehicle is lighter than when idle. I say fly through the bollards as fast as you can, then the bridge won`t collapse because of excessive weight.
People are missing the point about this topic. It`s a weight issue, when you speed up the vehicle is lighter than when idle. I say fly through the bollards as fast as you can, then the bridge won`t collapse because of excessive weight. firksyyyyy
  • Score: -6

1:13am Fri 31 Jan 14

mr.mark.c says...

jojogreengolf wrote:
I drive through here twice a day, every day to work. Or I would if the road wasn't shut due to another car crashing into the barriers! It is getting on my nerves now. I'm sick of having to join a queue every day as all the traffic being diverted is causing chaos at peak times. How come they have the money to put stupid barriers up when they can't seem to find the money to collect our bins or even fill pot holes? I have lived in Bolton, Salford, Whitefield and Bury and Bolton council are the worst of the worst in so many aspects, especially bad the past 12 months. Maybe we should ask Bolton Council how much they spend on posh buffets for their many meetings? I have cleaned a property that supplies these Council buffets. And let me tell you they arn't cheap and quite extravagent. Prawn vol-au-event anyone?
The council do not own the bridge
The council put the restriction in at the request of the owners and a legal requirment.
What the hell has that got to do with bins or buffet's ?????????
Would you prefer a 44 tonne truck make the bridge collapse causing havoc on the road and the rails below ?
[quote][p][bold]jojogreengolf[/bold] wrote: I drive through here twice a day, every day to work. Or I would if the road wasn't shut due to another car crashing into the barriers! It is getting on my nerves now. I'm sick of having to join a queue every day as all the traffic being diverted is causing chaos at peak times. How come they have the money to put stupid barriers up when they can't seem to find the money to collect our bins or even fill pot holes? I have lived in Bolton, Salford, Whitefield and Bury and Bolton council are the worst of the worst in so many aspects, especially bad the past 12 months. Maybe we should ask Bolton Council how much they spend on posh buffets for their many meetings? I have cleaned a property that supplies these Council buffets. And let me tell you they arn't cheap and quite extravagent. Prawn vol-au-event anyone?[/p][/quote]The council do not own the bridge The council put the restriction in at the request of the owners and a legal requirment. What the hell has that got to do with bins or buffet's ????????? Would you prefer a 44 tonne truck make the bridge collapse causing havoc on the road and the rails below ? mr.mark.c
  • Score: 4

2:39am Fri 31 Jan 14

wsw69 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
I see BWFC71 has put her pennies worth in as usual. Like I said, if you can't see the bollards that are at either side of the road then you shouldn't be driving. Shouldn't be taking tight bends at 30mph anyway as George Cox installed a bollard for public crossing turning off Manchester Road as cars were going way too fast cutting on to the bridge and people were finding it difficult to cross. So you must be a CR4P driver if you couldn't negotiate the bollards at 10mph. The End.
So it seems to me that you haven't driven from Manchester Road along Orlando Bridge - I bet you don't even know where it is considering you don't even live in Bolton!

As it is I am a safe driver and NEVER had an accident.

But the law states if the road is in a 30mph zone then it HAS to be safe enough to drive at 30mph or put up signs, BEFORE the bollards, or any other road furniture, to reduce the speed limit (check it out, if you don't believe)
Yes I have driven the route more than a dozen times and yes I am from, and do live in Bolton. Like I said on my previous post, that you kindly quoted. George Cox installed a bollard at the beginning of the bridge leading off Manchester Road to reduce the speed of cars that were whizzing from Manchester Road on to Orlando Bridge at a ridiculous speed, and to help the public in crossing, so nobody should be taking the bend at 30mph. Time of the month BWFC71?
So if you have driven over it a dozen times, already, then you must have been breaking the law. It has been closed ALL this week, until today, it was closed over the weekend and for at least 2 days last week and the bollards have only been there or 2 weeks!!!
That bridge was open on Wednesday night at 21.15 hrs as I drove across it.

There are way to many idiots who think they know how to drive safely and within the law. Both of those disciplines are earned over many years of motoring experience. The truth of the matter is the majority of motorists do not take note of road signage. Signs are there for a purpose, whether or not dim witted motorists can initially see why the signs are there in the first place.

Anyone driving a motor car and can not make it fit between a 6 foot gap should be nowhere near the wheel of ANY vehicle. The standard of driving in this country are absolutely dire.

BWFC71 stated - 'Currently any accident due to poor road signs is the fault of Bolton Council, and NOT the drivers!!!'

Bollards!!!! You are wrong. The driver is the ONLY person responsible for the vehicle they are driving. Road signs do not cause accidents. One element, and one element alone causes by far the majority of road traffic accidents - the drivers.

And again BWFC71 states incorrectly ---------- 'But the law states if the road is in a 30mph zone then it HAS to be safe enough to drive at 30mph or put up signs, BEFORE the bollards, or any other road furniture, to reduce the speed limit (check it out, if you don't believe)' More bollards from BWFC71 yet again.

The 30MPH speed limit is there to state it is safe to drive a vehicle UP TO A MAXIMUM of 30mph according to prevailing road conditions. Take note I put up to and NOT at 30mph.

And these bollards have been placed around a bend for a very good reason. Any buffoon who want's to attain 30mph by the time they have come off Manchester Road to getting to the bend is driving with undue care and attention, not to mention are a complete thicko.

And BWFC71 rattles on again with more tripe ---- 'Thee same can be said for any road, but if its a 30mph then it HAS to be safe to drive through at 30 with no problem whatsoever!!!!' Again, dependent on prevailing road conditions and visibility.

I get the impression that BWFC71 is the kind of muppet who would drive at 70mph on a motorway in dense fog BECAUSE the speed limit of 70mph is what is usually the norm on such carriageways.

FredomOfSpeech1945 - stated 'There's nothing wrong with the bollards. Just other people's careless driving!' Spot-on, and that is the end of the argument.

There are no such things as 'bad roads'. There are NEVER any accidents on roads until there is someone driving some form of a vehicle. There has never been a RTA on any road that has no traffic on it.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: I see BWFC71 has put her pennies worth in as usual. Like I said, if you can't see the bollards that are at either side of the road then you shouldn't be driving. Shouldn't be taking tight bends at 30mph anyway as George Cox installed a bollard for public crossing turning off Manchester Road as cars were going way too fast cutting on to the bridge and people were finding it difficult to cross. So you must be a CR4P driver if you couldn't negotiate the bollards at 10mph. The End.[/p][/quote]So it seems to me that you haven't driven from Manchester Road along Orlando Bridge - I bet you don't even know where it is considering you don't even live in Bolton! As it is I am a safe driver and NEVER had an accident. But the law states if the road is in a 30mph zone then it HAS to be safe enough to drive at 30mph or put up signs, BEFORE the bollards, or any other road furniture, to reduce the speed limit (check it out, if you don't believe)[/p][/quote]Yes I have driven the route more than a dozen times and yes I am from, and do live in Bolton. Like I said on my previous post, that you kindly quoted. George Cox installed a bollard at the beginning of the bridge leading off Manchester Road to reduce the speed of cars that were whizzing from Manchester Road on to Orlando Bridge at a ridiculous speed, and to help the public in crossing, so nobody should be taking the bend at 30mph. Time of the month BWFC71?[/p][/quote]So if you have driven over it a dozen times, already, then you must have been breaking the law. It has been closed ALL this week, until today, it was closed over the weekend and for at least 2 days last week and the bollards have only been there or 2 weeks!!![/p][/quote]That bridge was open on Wednesday night at 21.15 hrs as I drove across it. There are way to many idiots who think they know how to drive safely and within the law. Both of those disciplines are earned over many years of motoring experience. The truth of the matter is the majority of motorists do not take note of road signage. Signs are there for a purpose, whether or not dim witted motorists can initially see why the signs are there in the first place. Anyone driving a motor car and can not make it fit between a 6 foot gap should be nowhere near the wheel of ANY vehicle. The standard of driving in this country are absolutely dire. BWFC71 stated - 'Currently any accident due to poor road signs is the fault of Bolton Council, and NOT the drivers!!!' Bollards!!!! You are wrong. The driver is the ONLY person responsible for the vehicle they are driving. Road signs do not cause accidents. One element, and one element alone causes by far the majority of road traffic accidents - the drivers. And again BWFC71 states incorrectly ---------- 'But the law states if the road is in a 30mph zone then it HAS to be safe enough to drive at 30mph or put up signs, BEFORE the bollards, or any other road furniture, to reduce the speed limit (check it out, if you don't believe)' More bollards from BWFC71 yet again. The 30MPH speed limit is there to state it is safe to drive a vehicle UP TO A MAXIMUM of 30mph according to prevailing road conditions. Take note I put up to and NOT at 30mph. And these bollards have been placed around a bend for a very good reason. Any buffoon who want's to attain 30mph by the time they have come off Manchester Road to getting to the bend is driving with undue care and attention, not to mention are a complete thicko. And BWFC71 rattles on again with more tripe ---- 'Thee same can be said for any road, but if its a 30mph then it HAS to be safe to drive through at 30 with no problem whatsoever!!!!' Again, dependent on prevailing road conditions and visibility. I get the impression that BWFC71 is the kind of muppet who would drive at 70mph on a motorway in dense fog BECAUSE the speed limit of 70mph is what is usually the norm on such carriageways. FredomOfSpeech1945 - stated 'There's nothing wrong with the bollards. Just other people's careless driving!' Spot-on, and that is the end of the argument. There are no such things as 'bad roads'. There are NEVER any accidents on roads until there is someone driving some form of a vehicle. There has never been a RTA on any road that has no traffic on it. wsw69
  • Score: 3

2:56am Fri 31 Jan 14

wsw69 says...

firksyyyyy wrote:
People are missing the point about this topic. It`s a weight issue, when you speed up the vehicle is lighter than when idle. I say fly through the bollards as fast as you can, then the bridge won`t collapse because of excessive weight.
What a complete c 0 c k !!!
[quote][p][bold]firksyyyyy[/bold] wrote: People are missing the point about this topic. It`s a weight issue, when you speed up the vehicle is lighter than when idle. I say fly through the bollards as fast as you can, then the bridge won`t collapse because of excessive weight.[/p][/quote]What a complete c 0 c k !!! wsw69
  • Score: -4

7:29am Fri 31 Jan 14

CatsMotherUK says...

Okay, firstly; BWFC and FreedomofSpeech - I think you two need to get a room!! Play nice! And Freedom -just because a woman has an opinion differing from yours does NOT mean she's PMS-ing! Misogynist much?
Secondly; I'm glad that they've finally closed that bridge to lorries -my Dad was knocked off his bicycle by a lorry on Orlando Bridge and ended up in a wheelchair. I myself was nearly in an accident there a few years ago by a lorry mis-judging the bend (coming up from Manchester Rd) and taking it too wide, coming onto my side of the street (I was coming from the roundabout down off the bridge) Luckily I wasn't going very fast due to all the parked cars.
Speaking of which, why has that been allowed to continue? Surely the added weight of parked vehicles only adds to the stress?
As for Mr Collison's comment “After complaining about irresponsible drivers driving 40-tonne vehicles across Orlando Bridge and ignoring a weak bridge sign and a 7.5-tonne weight limit, something has finally been done." ~ the only signs marking that as a weak structure (coming from Manchester Road) were only visible when you had already driven ONTO the ramp up to the bridge, (just past the gates to the Wiliams bodyshop) and had already committed to the route. You can't make a U-turn. and the placement/shape of the pavement and bollard on the right wouldn't allow enough room for a lorry with trailer to safely manoeuvre back down the other side of the ramp, back onto Manchester Rd.
Why weren't there (and why aren't there now) signs further back ON Manchester Rd itself marking the route as unsuitable for HGV's, BEFORE the bridge?? Poor planning! Probably decided during one of jojogreengolf 's aforementioned "posh buffets" ! (and who the heck likes prawn vol-au-vents? Eww!)
As for the current débâcle of the new "traffic calming" road furniture (had to laugh at that analogy BWFC~ great phrase!) It seems to me that it would have made a lot more sense to chop out that big stretch of grass in front of the old B&M/Glynwebb building and add a filter lane onto the ramp with the barriers/bollards in place there. Add the restriction there, BEFORE entering the bridge system, not in the middle of it! And how about advertising the fact that these changes were going to take place BEFORE the work was done with a big sign? -They can put up a "roadworks due" sign on St Peter's Way 3 months in advance, but not on one of the busiest stretches of road in the area?? It was bad enough around there at peak times before they put this in place, now it's traffic chaos.
The whole thing smacks of using up the budget money before year end: a "shot-gun" idea, poorly planned and initiated. And if Network Rail own the bridge, why aren't they being tasked with ensuring it's safe to use for ALL vehicles? Yet again us tax payers are footing the bill for someone else's negligence.
Bolton Councillors stop wasting our money on hairbrained schemes and fix our roads - they're some of the worst in the area! Manchester Road itself needs MAJOR resurfacing all the way along, especially near Green Lane; it's enough to rattle your teeth out!!
Right, I've had my say -soapbox away!
Okay, firstly; BWFC and FreedomofSpeech - I think you two need to get a room!! Play nice! And Freedom -just because a woman has an opinion differing from yours does NOT mean she's PMS-ing! Misogynist much? Secondly; I'm glad that they've finally closed that bridge to lorries -my Dad was knocked off his bicycle by a lorry on Orlando Bridge and ended up in a wheelchair. I myself was nearly in an accident there a few years ago by a lorry mis-judging the bend (coming up from Manchester Rd) and taking it too wide, coming onto my side of the street (I was coming from the roundabout down off the bridge) Luckily I wasn't going very fast due to all the parked cars. Speaking of which, why has that been allowed to continue? Surely the added weight of parked vehicles only adds to the stress? As for Mr Collison's comment “After complaining about irresponsible drivers driving 40-tonne vehicles across Orlando Bridge and ignoring a weak bridge sign and a 7.5-tonne weight limit, something has finally been done." ~ the only signs marking that as a weak structure (coming from Manchester Road) were only visible when you had already driven ONTO the ramp up to the bridge, (just past the gates to the Wiliams bodyshop) and had already committed to the route. You can't make a U-turn. and the placement/shape of the pavement and bollard on the right wouldn't allow enough room for a lorry with trailer to safely manoeuvre back down the other side of the ramp, back onto Manchester Rd. Why weren't there (and why aren't there now) signs further back ON Manchester Rd itself marking the route as unsuitable for HGV's, BEFORE the bridge?? Poor planning! Probably decided during one of jojogreengolf 's aforementioned "posh buffets" ! (and who the heck likes prawn vol-au-vents? Eww!) As for the current débâcle of the new "traffic calming" road furniture (had to laugh at that analogy BWFC~ great phrase!) It seems to me that it would have made a lot more sense to chop out that big stretch of grass in front of the old B&M/Glynwebb building and add a filter lane onto the ramp with the barriers/bollards in place there. Add the restriction there, BEFORE entering the bridge system, not in the middle of it! And how about advertising the fact that these changes were going to take place BEFORE the work was done with a big sign? -They can put up a "roadworks due" sign on St Peter's Way 3 months in advance, but not on one of the busiest stretches of road in the area?? It was bad enough around there at peak times before they put this in place, now it's traffic chaos. The whole thing smacks of using up the budget money before year end: a "shot-gun" idea, poorly planned and initiated. And if Network Rail own the bridge, why aren't they being tasked with ensuring it's safe to use for ALL vehicles? Yet again us [council] tax payers are footing the bill for someone else's negligence. Bolton Councillors stop wasting our money on hairbrained schemes and fix our roads - they're some of the worst in the area! Manchester Road itself needs MAJOR resurfacing all the way along, especially near Green Lane; it's enough to rattle your teeth out!! Right, I've had my say -soapbox away! CatsMotherUK
  • Score: 0

8:26am Fri 31 Jan 14

The Righteous One says...

wsw69 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
I see BWFC71 has put her pennies worth in as usual. Like I said, if you can't see the bollards that are at either side of the road then you shouldn't be driving. Shouldn't be taking tight bends at 30mph anyway as George Cox installed a bollard for public crossing turning off Manchester Road as cars were going way too fast cutting on to the bridge and people were finding it difficult to cross. So you must be a CR4P driver if you couldn't negotiate the bollards at 10mph. The End.
So it seems to me that you haven't driven from Manchester Road along Orlando Bridge - I bet you don't even know where it is considering you don't even live in Bolton!

As it is I am a safe driver and NEVER had an accident.

But the law states if the road is in a 30mph zone then it HAS to be safe enough to drive at 30mph or put up signs, BEFORE the bollards, or any other road furniture, to reduce the speed limit (check it out, if you don't believe)
Yes I have driven the route more than a dozen times and yes I am from, and do live in Bolton. Like I said on my previous post, that you kindly quoted. George Cox installed a bollard at the beginning of the bridge leading off Manchester Road to reduce the speed of cars that were whizzing from Manchester Road on to Orlando Bridge at a ridiculous speed, and to help the public in crossing, so nobody should be taking the bend at 30mph. Time of the month BWFC71?
So if you have driven over it a dozen times, already, then you must have been breaking the law. It has been closed ALL this week, until today, it was closed over the weekend and for at least 2 days last week and the bollards have only been there or 2 weeks!!!
That bridge was open on Wednesday night at 21.15 hrs as I drove across it.

There are way to many idiots who think they know how to drive safely and within the law. Both of those disciplines are earned over many years of motoring experience. The truth of the matter is the majority of motorists do not take note of road signage. Signs are there for a purpose, whether or not dim witted motorists can initially see why the signs are there in the first place.

Anyone driving a motor car and can not make it fit between a 6 foot gap should be nowhere near the wheel of ANY vehicle. The standard of driving in this country are absolutely dire.

BWFC71 stated - 'Currently any accident due to poor road signs is the fault of Bolton Council, and NOT the drivers!!!'

Bollards!!!! You are wrong. The driver is the ONLY person responsible for the vehicle they are driving. Road signs do not cause accidents. One element, and one element alone causes by far the majority of road traffic accidents - the drivers.

And again BWFC71 states incorrectly ---------- 'But the law states if the road is in a 30mph zone then it HAS to be safe enough to drive at 30mph or put up signs, BEFORE the bollards, or any other road furniture, to reduce the speed limit (check it out, if you don't believe)' More bollards from BWFC71 yet again.

The 30MPH speed limit is there to state it is safe to drive a vehicle UP TO A MAXIMUM of 30mph according to prevailing road conditions. Take note I put up to and NOT at 30mph.

And these bollards have been placed around a bend for a very good reason. Any buffoon who want's to attain 30mph by the time they have come off Manchester Road to getting to the bend is driving with undue care and attention, not to mention are a complete thicko.

And BWFC71 rattles on again with more tripe ---- 'Thee same can be said for any road, but if its a 30mph then it HAS to be safe to drive through at 30 with no problem whatsoever!!!!' Again, dependent on prevailing road conditions and visibility.

I get the impression that BWFC71 is the kind of muppet who would drive at 70mph on a motorway in dense fog BECAUSE the speed limit of 70mph is what is usually the norm on such carriageways.

FredomOfSpeech1945 - stated 'There's nothing wrong with the bollards. Just other people's careless driving!' Spot-on, and that is the end of the argument.

There are no such things as 'bad roads'. There are NEVER any accidents on roads until there is someone driving some form of a vehicle. There has never been a RTA on any road that has no traffic on it.
@wsw69

1. The bridge wasn't open at 21:15 - what someone had done was move the cones and closed road sign so they could go over the bridge! How do I know, because I got into Bolton station at 22:20 and drove home and the cones had been placed back - which used to be over the bridge but now its down Thynne Street and Trinity Street!


2. See how you don't excuse yourself of lying that you've been over it a dozen times when simply that wasn't true!

3. Look up teh law, if a major rroad reconstruction is NOT properly signed or if maximum speed limit sign is not right then its the fault of the council. Yes there are bad drivers and I am assuming that you are one of them and you do seem to be on your high horse about ir

4. With regards to speed limits - look at my response to Mr.Mark.C. - but of course you don't read responses - you go off one just because you see a profile name and you assume what they have written without reading thoroughly! - what I said was, "Not once did I say that the speed limit is the target to aim for but neither did I say that one has to drive under the limit - I was just pointing out that if its a 30mph, or a 60mph then the road, by law, has to be able to take vehicles doing that limit!!! As it is there if one drives too much under the limit it can be classed as dangerous driving!"

5. I also stated on response to Mr.Mark.C., "I know what you are saying but the fact remains as it is in a 30mph one should be able to drive round the bend and through the bollards at 30mph (yes weather conditions have a say)"

6. Road cvonditions CAN and DO create hazards such as hidden pot-holes, pot-holes that are filled with water, roads collapsing (a more famous Bolton case was about 20 years ago when a car was driving along Halliwell Road and then the road suddenly collapse underneath the car due to weak structure of the road and a collapsing mine-shaft - was that the fault of the driver or of the road?) - so yes there can be RTA's with no traffic on the road!!!

What I have stated is not tripe but laws and gernalisatuions - sure not everything is black or white and they way you are going on you are really trying to sdefend your own bad driving and relying on the electrics of the motor vehicle rather than your own skills!

As I said to Mr.Mark.C. I passed my theory test (although I needn't have taken it but wanted to, as it was before the Theory test became compulsory), the practical test, the advanced driving test (based upon the Met's ideology), also took Motorway lessons. And when I lived in The Netherlands I took 10 lessons to get to grips with Dutch roads laws and how to drive over there, and since moving back to the UK took refresher Advanced driving lessons to get me back up to speed with British driving (pardon the pun) - so accidents would be none or very minimal (as it is no accidents when over there) - only accidents in UK were:
1. a drunken cyclist coming out right in front of me without looking and no braking time/distance for me to stop,
2. oil on the road when a car came slding into the side of me,
3. a cyclist with no flourescent garments or even lights on his bike during a dark foggy morning - luckliy I was only doing 15mph (along Radcliffe Road between Darcy Lever and Little Lever), and
4. when a car came into the back of me because the driver had very little brake pads (and was supposedly on his way to the garage to get them sorted)

So, yes, it does seem like I a complete idiot behind teh wheeland not knowing the laws and taking a complete disregard to other road users, weather conditions etc etcetc

It seems to me you are a driver who thinks they can drive straight onto the main motorway causeway from a slip-road without actually giving way or vice versa from a motorway! (such as St Peters onto Manchester Road)

An apology would be nice, but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't forthcoming to being embarrassed by flaws in your post!
[quote][p][bold]wsw69[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: I see BWFC71 has put her pennies worth in as usual. Like I said, if you can't see the bollards that are at either side of the road then you shouldn't be driving. Shouldn't be taking tight bends at 30mph anyway as George Cox installed a bollard for public crossing turning off Manchester Road as cars were going way too fast cutting on to the bridge and people were finding it difficult to cross. So you must be a CR4P driver if you couldn't negotiate the bollards at 10mph. The End.[/p][/quote]So it seems to me that you haven't driven from Manchester Road along Orlando Bridge - I bet you don't even know where it is considering you don't even live in Bolton! As it is I am a safe driver and NEVER had an accident. But the law states if the road is in a 30mph zone then it HAS to be safe enough to drive at 30mph or put up signs, BEFORE the bollards, or any other road furniture, to reduce the speed limit (check it out, if you don't believe)[/p][/quote]Yes I have driven the route more than a dozen times and yes I am from, and do live in Bolton. Like I said on my previous post, that you kindly quoted. George Cox installed a bollard at the beginning of the bridge leading off Manchester Road to reduce the speed of cars that were whizzing from Manchester Road on to Orlando Bridge at a ridiculous speed, and to help the public in crossing, so nobody should be taking the bend at 30mph. Time of the month BWFC71?[/p][/quote]So if you have driven over it a dozen times, already, then you must have been breaking the law. It has been closed ALL this week, until today, it was closed over the weekend and for at least 2 days last week and the bollards have only been there or 2 weeks!!![/p][/quote]That bridge was open on Wednesday night at 21.15 hrs as I drove across it. There are way to many idiots who think they know how to drive safely and within the law. Both of those disciplines are earned over many years of motoring experience. The truth of the matter is the majority of motorists do not take note of road signage. Signs are there for a purpose, whether or not dim witted motorists can initially see why the signs are there in the first place. Anyone driving a motor car and can not make it fit between a 6 foot gap should be nowhere near the wheel of ANY vehicle. The standard of driving in this country are absolutely dire. BWFC71 stated - 'Currently any accident due to poor road signs is the fault of Bolton Council, and NOT the drivers!!!' Bollards!!!! You are wrong. The driver is the ONLY person responsible for the vehicle they are driving. Road signs do not cause accidents. One element, and one element alone causes by far the majority of road traffic accidents - the drivers. And again BWFC71 states incorrectly ---------- 'But the law states if the road is in a 30mph zone then it HAS to be safe enough to drive at 30mph or put up signs, BEFORE the bollards, or any other road furniture, to reduce the speed limit (check it out, if you don't believe)' More bollards from BWFC71 yet again. The 30MPH speed limit is there to state it is safe to drive a vehicle UP TO A MAXIMUM of 30mph according to prevailing road conditions. Take note I put up to and NOT at 30mph. And these bollards have been placed around a bend for a very good reason. Any buffoon who want's to attain 30mph by the time they have come off Manchester Road to getting to the bend is driving with undue care and attention, not to mention are a complete thicko. And BWFC71 rattles on again with more tripe ---- 'Thee same can be said for any road, but if its a 30mph then it HAS to be safe to drive through at 30 with no problem whatsoever!!!!' Again, dependent on prevailing road conditions and visibility. I get the impression that BWFC71 is the kind of muppet who would drive at 70mph on a motorway in dense fog BECAUSE the speed limit of 70mph is what is usually the norm on such carriageways. FredomOfSpeech1945 - stated 'There's nothing wrong with the bollards. Just other people's careless driving!' Spot-on, and that is the end of the argument. There are no such things as 'bad roads'. There are NEVER any accidents on roads until there is someone driving some form of a vehicle. There has never been a RTA on any road that has no traffic on it.[/p][/quote]@wsw69 1. The bridge wasn't open at 21:15 - what someone had done was move the cones and closed road sign so they could go over the bridge! How do I know, because I got into Bolton station at 22:20 and drove home and the cones had been placed back - which used to be over the bridge but now its down Thynne Street and Trinity Street! 2. See how you don't excuse yourself of lying that you've been over it a dozen times when simply that wasn't true! 3. Look up teh law, if a major rroad reconstruction is NOT properly signed or if maximum speed limit sign is not right then its the fault of the council. Yes there are bad drivers and I am assuming that you are one of them and you do seem to be on your high horse about ir 4. With regards to speed limits - look at my response to Mr.Mark.C. - but of course you don't read responses - you go off one just because you see a profile name and you assume what they have written without reading thoroughly! - what I said was, "Not once did I say that the speed limit is the target to aim for but neither did I say that one has to drive under the limit - I was just pointing out that if its a 30mph, or a 60mph then the road, by law, has to be able to take vehicles doing that limit!!! As it is there if one drives too much under the limit it can be classed as dangerous driving!" 5. I also stated on response to Mr.Mark.C., "I know what you are saying but the fact remains as it is in a 30mph one should be able to drive round the bend and through the bollards at 30mph (yes weather conditions have a say)" 6. Road cvonditions CAN and DO create hazards such as hidden pot-holes, pot-holes that are filled with water, roads collapsing (a more famous Bolton case was about 20 years ago when a car was driving along Halliwell Road and then the road suddenly collapse underneath the car due to weak structure of the road and a collapsing mine-shaft - was that the fault of the driver or of the road?) - so yes there can be RTA's with no traffic on the road!!! What I have stated is not tripe but laws and gernalisatuions - sure not everything is black or white and they way you are going on you are really trying to sdefend your own bad driving and relying on the electrics of the motor vehicle rather than your own skills! As I said to Mr.Mark.C. I passed my theory test (although I needn't have taken it but wanted to, as it was before the Theory test became compulsory), the practical test, the advanced driving test (based upon the Met's ideology), also took Motorway lessons. And when I lived in The Netherlands I took 10 lessons to get to grips with Dutch roads laws and how to drive over there, and since moving back to the UK took refresher Advanced driving lessons to get me back up to speed with British driving (pardon the pun) - so accidents would be none or very minimal (as it is no accidents when over there) - only accidents in UK were: 1. a drunken cyclist coming out right in front of me without looking and no braking time/distance for me to stop, 2. oil on the road when a car came slding into the side of me, 3. a cyclist with no flourescent garments or even lights on his bike during a dark foggy morning - luckliy I was only doing 15mph (along Radcliffe Road between Darcy Lever and Little Lever), and 4. when a car came into the back of me because the driver had very little brake pads (and was supposedly on his way to the garage to get them sorted) So, yes, it does seem like I a complete idiot behind teh wheeland not knowing the laws and taking a complete disregard to other road users, weather conditions etc etcetc It seems to me you are a driver who thinks they can drive straight onto the main motorway causeway from a slip-road without actually giving way or vice versa from a motorway! (such as St Peters onto Manchester Road) An apology would be nice, but I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't forthcoming to being embarrassed by flaws in your post! The Righteous One
  • Score: -55

10:13am Fri 31 Jan 14

You Have To Be Kidding says...

IDIOTS ON THE ROAD MORE LIKE IDIOTS ON THE FORUM!
IDIOTS ON THE ROAD MORE LIKE IDIOTS ON THE FORUM! You Have To Be Kidding
  • Score: 0

10:28am Fri 31 Jan 14

LordLeverhulme says...

Why weren't there (and why aren't there now) signs further back ON Manchester Rd itself marking the route as unsuitable for HGV's, BEFORE the bridge?? Poor planning!

.
Errr...
On Manchester Road and on Thynne Street, before the turn there are some of the biggest signs known to man telling you there is a weight and width limit on Orlando bridge.
If you can't see them, you shouldn't be driving on the roads.
[quote]Why weren't there (and why aren't there now) signs further back ON Manchester Rd itself marking the route as unsuitable for HGV's, BEFORE the bridge?? Poor planning![/quote] . Errr... On Manchester Road and on Thynne Street, before the turn there are some of the biggest signs known to man telling you there is a weight and width limit on Orlando bridge. If you can't see them, you shouldn't be driving on the roads. LordLeverhulme
  • Score: 11

10:29am Fri 31 Jan 14

mr.mark.c says...

The council must have changed it, if there was any more warnings then you would crash while reading them, but saying that, on my way back I saw an Astra crawling through with the driver and passenger hanging out of their windows checking the gap, the phrase 'should have gone to specsavers' came to mind.
4ft x 4ft warning sign, then I think a Reduce Speed sign followed by Narrow Road, Cats eyes, and the concrete painted white.
The council must have changed it, if there was any more warnings then you would crash while reading them, but saying that, on my way back I saw an Astra crawling through with the driver and passenger hanging out of their windows checking the gap, the phrase 'should have gone to specsavers' came to mind. 4ft x 4ft warning sign, then I think a Reduce Speed sign followed by Narrow Road, Cats eyes, and the concrete painted white. mr.mark.c
  • Score: 2

10:30am Fri 31 Jan 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
I see BWFC71 has put her pennies worth in as usual. Like I said, if you can't see the bollards that are at either side of the road then you shouldn't be driving. Shouldn't be taking tight bends at 30mph anyway as George Cox installed a bollard for public crossing turning off Manchester Road as cars were going way too fast cutting on to the bridge and people were finding it difficult to cross. So you must be a CR4P driver if you couldn't negotiate the bollards at 10mph. The End.
So it seems to me that you haven't driven from Manchester Road along Orlando Bridge - I bet you don't even know where it is considering you don't even live in Bolton!

As it is I am a safe driver and NEVER had an accident.

But the law states if the road is in a 30mph zone then it HAS to be safe enough to drive at 30mph or put up signs, BEFORE the bollards, or any other road furniture, to reduce the speed limit (check it out, if you don't believe)
Yes I have driven the route more than a dozen times and yes I am from, and do live in Bolton. Like I said on my previous post, that you kindly quoted. George Cox installed a bollard at the beginning of the bridge leading off Manchester Road to reduce the speed of cars that were whizzing from Manchester Road on to Orlando Bridge at a ridiculous speed, and to help the public in crossing, so nobody should be taking the bend at 30mph. Time of the month BWFC71?
So if you have driven over it a dozen times, already, then you must have been breaking the law. It has been closed ALL this week, until today, it was closed over the weekend and for at least 2 days last week and the bollards have only been there or 2 weeks!!!
Yes and I have driven over it at more than 30mph too. It may have been closed "all week" but it didn't stop people moving the barriers aside late at night (as I didn't specify the time of day I used the bridge), and using the bridge. Live a little BWFC71.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: I see BWFC71 has put her pennies worth in as usual. Like I said, if you can't see the bollards that are at either side of the road then you shouldn't be driving. Shouldn't be taking tight bends at 30mph anyway as George Cox installed a bollard for public crossing turning off Manchester Road as cars were going way too fast cutting on to the bridge and people were finding it difficult to cross. So you must be a CR4P driver if you couldn't negotiate the bollards at 10mph. The End.[/p][/quote]So it seems to me that you haven't driven from Manchester Road along Orlando Bridge - I bet you don't even know where it is considering you don't even live in Bolton! As it is I am a safe driver and NEVER had an accident. But the law states if the road is in a 30mph zone then it HAS to be safe enough to drive at 30mph or put up signs, BEFORE the bollards, or any other road furniture, to reduce the speed limit (check it out, if you don't believe)[/p][/quote]Yes I have driven the route more than a dozen times and yes I am from, and do live in Bolton. Like I said on my previous post, that you kindly quoted. George Cox installed a bollard at the beginning of the bridge leading off Manchester Road to reduce the speed of cars that were whizzing from Manchester Road on to Orlando Bridge at a ridiculous speed, and to help the public in crossing, so nobody should be taking the bend at 30mph. Time of the month BWFC71?[/p][/quote]So if you have driven over it a dozen times, already, then you must have been breaking the law. It has been closed ALL this week, until today, it was closed over the weekend and for at least 2 days last week and the bollards have only been there or 2 weeks!!![/p][/quote]Yes and I have driven over it at more than 30mph too. It may have been closed "all week" but it didn't stop people moving the barriers aside late at night (as I didn't specify the time of day I used the bridge), and using the bridge. Live a little BWFC71. FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 2

10:43am Fri 31 Jan 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

If BWFC71 was given a knighthood from The Queen, she/he is the type of person that would argue against the decision, before driving down to Buckingham Palace at 10mph.
If BWFC71 was given a knighthood from The Queen, she/he is the type of person that would argue against the decision, before driving down to Buckingham Palace at 10mph. FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: -4

12:22pm Fri 31 Jan 14

The Righteous One says...

If I was given a Knighthood, I definitely would reject it - no argument about it! I am not a Royalist nor bow-down to human beings trying to be superior when they are not
If I was given a Knighthood, I definitely would reject it - no argument about it! I am not a Royalist nor bow-down to human beings trying to be superior when they are not The Righteous One
  • Score: -63

1:08pm Fri 31 Jan 14

Bolton Lad 85 says...

I drive a 4x4 the barriers on Orlando bridge force you to crawl through unless you drive a very small car. Similar barriers at Lostock allow you to drive at 10-20 mph through. Complete waste of money. Joke that there are no signs on the entrance from Manchester Road.
I drive a 4x4 the barriers on Orlando bridge force you to crawl through unless you drive a very small car. Similar barriers at Lostock allow you to drive at 10-20 mph through. Complete waste of money. Joke that there are no signs on the entrance from Manchester Road. Bolton Lad 85
  • Score: -3

2:57pm Fri 31 Jan 14

mr.mark.c says...

Bolton Lad 85 wrote:
I drive a 4x4 the barriers on Orlando bridge force you to crawl through unless you drive a very small car. Similar barriers at Lostock allow you to drive at 10-20 mph through. Complete waste of money. Joke that there are no signs on the entrance from Manchester Road.
What type as I didnt have a problem in my Isuzu and its wider than a defender.
[quote][p][bold]Bolton Lad 85[/bold] wrote: I drive a 4x4 the barriers on Orlando bridge force you to crawl through unless you drive a very small car. Similar barriers at Lostock allow you to drive at 10-20 mph through. Complete waste of money. Joke that there are no signs on the entrance from Manchester Road.[/p][/quote]What type as I didnt have a problem in my Isuzu and its wider than a defender. mr.mark.c
  • Score: 1

3:00pm Fri 31 Jan 14

mr.mark.c says...

Bolton Lad 85 wrote:
I drive a 4x4 the barriers on Orlando bridge force you to crawl through unless you drive a very small car. Similar barriers at Lostock allow you to drive at 10-20 mph through. Complete waste of money. Joke that there are no signs on the entrance from Manchester Road.
Look again, the sign is huge (Maybe new)
[quote][p][bold]Bolton Lad 85[/bold] wrote: I drive a 4x4 the barriers on Orlando bridge force you to crawl through unless you drive a very small car. Similar barriers at Lostock allow you to drive at 10-20 mph through. Complete waste of money. Joke that there are no signs on the entrance from Manchester Road.[/p][/quote]Look again, the sign is huge (Maybe new) mr.mark.c
  • Score: 1

1:23am Sat 1 Feb 14

Danny.10 says...

Surely it would have made more sense to have the bollards on the ramp leading upto the bridge and not on a blind bend. That would allow all drivers to see them from Manchester road allowing everyone time to adjust their vehicles accordingly. That way bad drivers have no excuse other then driving with out due care and attention
Surely it would have made more sense to have the bollards on the ramp leading upto the bridge and not on a blind bend. That would allow all drivers to see them from Manchester road allowing everyone time to adjust their vehicles accordingly. That way bad drivers have no excuse other then driving with out due care and attention Danny.10
  • Score: 11

11:03am Sat 1 Feb 14

Andy Higham says...

Everyone seems to be missing the point.
The bridge is unsafe SO REPAIR IT, How much has been spent tarting up the railway station recently? How much did the new station canopies cost? How much was spent installing FIVE HUNDRED cycle parking spaces?

Get your priorities right FFS it isn't rocket science
Everyone seems to be missing the point. The bridge is unsafe SO REPAIR IT, How much has been spent tarting up the railway station recently? How much did the new station canopies cost? How much was spent installing FIVE HUNDRED cycle parking spaces? Get your priorities right FFS it isn't rocket science Andy Higham
  • Score: -14

11:39am Sat 1 Feb 14

lv8151 says...

Danny.10 wrote:
Surely it would have made more sense to have the bollards on the ramp leading upto the bridge and not on a blind bend. That would allow all drivers to see them from Manchester road allowing everyone time to adjust their vehicles accordingly. That way bad drivers have no excuse other then driving with out due care and attention
a better way is to take the driving licences off all the bad drivers and make them retake their test when they have learnt how to drive properly
[quote][p][bold]Danny.10[/bold] wrote: Surely it would have made more sense to have the bollards on the ramp leading upto the bridge and not on a blind bend. That would allow all drivers to see them from Manchester road allowing everyone time to adjust their vehicles accordingly. That way bad drivers have no excuse other then driving with out due care and attention[/p][/quote]a better way is to take the driving licences off all the bad drivers and make them retake their test when they have learnt how to drive properly lv8151
  • Score: -11

1:31pm Sat 1 Feb 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

Well guys, I drove over the bridge from both ways at, shall we say, slightly more than 30mph last night and I did not encounter a problem. As said in previous posts, it is just careless drivers that are the problem.
Well guys, I drove over the bridge from both ways at, shall we say, slightly more than 30mph last night and I did not encounter a problem. As said in previous posts, it is just careless drivers that are the problem. FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 5

3:53pm Sat 1 Feb 14

mr.mark.c says...

Danny.10 wrote:
Surely it would have made more sense to have the bollards on the ramp leading upto the bridge and not on a blind bend. That would allow all drivers to see them from Manchester road allowing everyone time to adjust their vehicles accordingly. That way bad drivers have no excuse other then driving with out due care and attention
Because HGV access is needed near the top of the ramp.
[quote][p][bold]Danny.10[/bold] wrote: Surely it would have made more sense to have the bollards on the ramp leading upto the bridge and not on a blind bend. That would allow all drivers to see them from Manchester road allowing everyone time to adjust their vehicles accordingly. That way bad drivers have no excuse other then driving with out due care and attention[/p][/quote]Because HGV access is needed near the top of the ramp. mr.mark.c
  • Score: 0

9:54pm Sat 1 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
Danny.10 wrote:
Surely it would have made more sense to have the bollards on the ramp leading upto the bridge and not on a blind bend. That would allow all drivers to see them from Manchester road allowing everyone time to adjust their vehicles accordingly. That way bad drivers have no excuse other then driving with out due care and attention
Because HGV access is needed near the top of the ramp.
But how do the HGV vehicles then judge the pertruding pavement for the down ramp as they can't get through the bollards?
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Danny.10[/bold] wrote: Surely it would have made more sense to have the bollards on the ramp leading upto the bridge and not on a blind bend. That would allow all drivers to see them from Manchester road allowing everyone time to adjust their vehicles accordingly. That way bad drivers have no excuse other then driving with out due care and attention[/p][/quote]Because HGV access is needed near the top of the ramp.[/p][/quote]But how do the HGV vehicles then judge the pertruding pavement for the down ramp as they can't get through the bollards? BWFC71
  • Score: -66

9:57pm Sat 1 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

Andy Higham wrote:
Everyone seems to be missing the point.
The bridge is unsafe SO REPAIR IT, How much has been spent tarting up the railway station recently? How much did the new station canopies cost? How much was spent installing FIVE HUNDRED cycle parking spaces?

Get your priorities right FFS it isn't rocket science
The station platforms were done up by TfGM and Northern Rail (although the £4million wasn't spent that well as the canopy leaks and the machines break down all the time)

The bridge is owned by Railtrack and Bolton Council have to get their permission to do anything to the road that is on the bridge.

All privatisation has done (outside London) is complicate things and no one actually knows who does, or own, what!
[quote][p][bold]Andy Higham[/bold] wrote: Everyone seems to be missing the point. The bridge is unsafe SO REPAIR IT, How much has been spent tarting up the railway station recently? How much did the new station canopies cost? How much was spent installing FIVE HUNDRED cycle parking spaces? Get your priorities right FFS it isn't rocket science[/p][/quote]The station platforms were done up by TfGM and Northern Rail (although the £4million wasn't spent that well as the canopy leaks and the machines break down all the time) The bridge is owned by Railtrack and Bolton Council have to get their permission to do anything to the road that is on the bridge. All privatisation has done (outside London) is complicate things and no one actually knows who does, or own, what! BWFC71
  • Score: -82

10:14pm Sat 1 Feb 14

mr.mark.c says...

BWFC71 wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
Danny.10 wrote:
Surely it would have made more sense to have the bollards on the ramp leading upto the bridge and not on a blind bend. That would allow all drivers to see them from Manchester road allowing everyone time to adjust their vehicles accordingly. That way bad drivers have no excuse other then driving with out due care and attention
Because HGV access is needed near the top of the ramp.
But how do the HGV vehicles then judge the pertruding pavement for the down ramp as they can't get through the bollards?
Easy, plenty of room to go around the lil island at the top and go down the other side as they have done for a long time.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Danny.10[/bold] wrote: Surely it would have made more sense to have the bollards on the ramp leading upto the bridge and not on a blind bend. That would allow all drivers to see them from Manchester road allowing everyone time to adjust their vehicles accordingly. That way bad drivers have no excuse other then driving with out due care and attention[/p][/quote]Because HGV access is needed near the top of the ramp.[/p][/quote]But how do the HGV vehicles then judge the pertruding pavement for the down ramp as they can't get through the bollards?[/p][/quote]Easy, plenty of room to go around the lil island at the top and go down the other side as they have done for a long time. mr.mark.c
  • Score: 0

11:53pm Sat 1 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
Well guys, I drove over the bridge from both ways at, shall we say, slightly more than 30mph last night and I did not encounter a problem. As said in previous posts, it is just careless drivers that are the problem.
Driving with your Peugeot RSR Di2 Ultegra?
[quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: Well guys, I drove over the bridge from both ways at, shall we say, slightly more than 30mph last night and I did not encounter a problem. As said in previous posts, it is just careless drivers that are the problem.[/p][/quote]Driving with your Peugeot RSR Di2 Ultegra? BWFC71
  • Score: -72

12:46am Sun 2 Feb 14

mr.mark.c says...

BWFC71
Can you comment on the HGV/LGV issue ?
BWFC71 Can you comment on the HGV/LGV issue ? mr.mark.c
  • Score: -6

10:24am Sun 2 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
BWFC71
Can you comment on the HGV/LGV issue ?
But I have commented and you responded!!!


My initial comment about HGV's Saturday 954pm and YOUR response
Saturday 1014pm!!!


Have you been drinking an forgot about that?
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: BWFC71 Can you comment on the HGV/LGV issue ?[/p][/quote]But I have commented and you responded!!! My initial comment about HGV's Saturday 954pm and YOUR response Saturday 1014pm!!! Have you been drinking an forgot about that? BWFC71
  • Score: -74

12:04pm Sun 2 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

In fact I was around that area just about 30 minutes ago - after renewing my monthly rail ticket, and just nipping to AsDa. The area where a HGV has to go over to down the down ramp (as it can no longer use the bridge) s VERY tight - manageable only just, but if the council then put up the black&white chevron signs on the pavement that it will be impossible!
In fact I was around that area just about 30 minutes ago - after renewing my monthly rail ticket, and just nipping to AsDa. The area where a HGV has to go over to down the down ramp (as it can no longer use the bridge) s VERY tight - manageable only just, but if the council then put up the black&white chevron signs on the pavement that it will be impossible! BWFC71
  • Score: -152

1:43pm Sun 2 Feb 14

JustBecause says...

BWFC71 wrote:
FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
I see BWFC71 has put her pennies worth in as usual. Like I said, if you can't see the bollards that are at either side of the road then you shouldn't be driving. Shouldn't be taking tight bends at 30mph anyway as George Cox installed a bollard for public crossing turning off Manchester Road as cars were going way too fast cutting on to the bridge and people were finding it difficult to cross. So you must be a CR4P driver if you couldn't negotiate the bollards at 10mph. The End.
So it seems to me that you haven't driven from Manchester Road along Orlando Bridge - I bet you don't even know where it is considering you don't even live in Bolton!

As it is I am a safe driver and NEVER had an accident.

But the law states if the road is in a 30mph zone then it HAS to be safe enough to drive at 30mph or put up signs, BEFORE the bollards, or any other road furniture, to reduce the speed limit (check it out, if you don't believe)
What a load of tosh, should we have speed signs for every bend and odd bit of road?

There are hundreds of roads with a 30mph limit and you cannot do 30mph on because of the bends or general layout.

Your saying if you cannot negotiate the bend and bollards at 30mph it's not safe, the please don't get behind a wheel, your clearly not fit to drive.

If you cannot slow down for a visible obstruction or fit through a 6'6 gap in a car that's narrower than 6'6 ...... Get the bus.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: I see BWFC71 has put her pennies worth in as usual. Like I said, if you can't see the bollards that are at either side of the road then you shouldn't be driving. Shouldn't be taking tight bends at 30mph anyway as George Cox installed a bollard for public crossing turning off Manchester Road as cars were going way too fast cutting on to the bridge and people were finding it difficult to cross. So you must be a CR4P driver if you couldn't negotiate the bollards at 10mph. The End.[/p][/quote]So it seems to me that you haven't driven from Manchester Road along Orlando Bridge - I bet you don't even know where it is considering you don't even live in Bolton! As it is I am a safe driver and NEVER had an accident. But the law states if the road is in a 30mph zone then it HAS to be safe enough to drive at 30mph or put up signs, BEFORE the bollards, or any other road furniture, to reduce the speed limit (check it out, if you don't believe)[/p][/quote]What a load of tosh, should we have speed signs for every bend and odd bit of road? There are hundreds of roads with a 30mph limit and you cannot do 30mph on because of the bends or general layout. Your saying if you cannot negotiate the bend and bollards at 30mph it's not safe, the please don't get behind a wheel, your clearly not fit to drive. If you cannot slow down for a visible obstruction or fit through a 6'6 gap in a car that's narrower than 6'6 ...... Get the bus. JustBecause
  • Score: -28

1:48pm Sun 2 Feb 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
Well guys, I drove over the bridge from both ways at, shall we say, slightly more than 30mph last night and I did not encounter a problem. As said in previous posts, it is just careless drivers that are the problem.
Driving with your Peugeot RSR Di2 Ultegra?
No flower, a BMW M3. Now use your monthly train ticket and go somewhere far far away from Bolton please.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: Well guys, I drove over the bridge from both ways at, shall we say, slightly more than 30mph last night and I did not encounter a problem. As said in previous posts, it is just careless drivers that are the problem.[/p][/quote]Driving with your Peugeot RSR Di2 Ultegra?[/p][/quote]No flower, a BMW M3. Now use your monthly train ticket and go somewhere far far away from Bolton please. FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 29

1:49pm Sun 2 Feb 14

JustBecause says...

Danny.10 wrote:
Surely it would have made more sense to have the bollards on the ramp leading upto the bridge and not on a blind bend. That would allow all drivers to see them from Manchester road allowing everyone time to adjust their vehicles accordingly. That way bad drivers have no excuse other then driving with out due care and attention
It's designed so hGv's can go back down the other side if they **** up and try to go up.

Putting them on the up ram would cause a problem if an hgv did miss the signs, also loonies do come off manchester road at speed, the bend at the top is a natural breaking point.
[quote][p][bold]Danny.10[/bold] wrote: Surely it would have made more sense to have the bollards on the ramp leading upto the bridge and not on a blind bend. That would allow all drivers to see them from Manchester road allowing everyone time to adjust their vehicles accordingly. That way bad drivers have no excuse other then driving with out due care and attention[/p][/quote]It's designed so hGv's can go back down the other side if they **** up and try to go up. Putting them on the up ram would cause a problem if an hgv did miss the signs, also loonies do come off manchester road at speed, the bend at the top is a natural breaking point. JustBecause
  • Score: -56

3:33pm Sun 2 Feb 14

BWFC71 says...

FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
Well guys, I drove over the bridge from both ways at, shall we say, slightly more than 30mph last night and I did not encounter a problem. As said in previous posts, it is just careless drivers that are the problem.
Driving with your Peugeot RSR Di2 Ultegra?
No flower, a BMW M3. Now use your monthly train ticket and go somewhere far far away from Bolton please.
Why don't you get in your so-called BMW M3 (which wouldn't actually fit through the bollards at 2004mm wide whilst the gap between the bollards is 2000mm) and drive as far away as possible you sexist bar steward

As it is, you seem to be gay calling me flower, as I am a man, and sorry I am not your type!!!
[quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: Well guys, I drove over the bridge from both ways at, shall we say, slightly more than 30mph last night and I did not encounter a problem. As said in previous posts, it is just careless drivers that are the problem.[/p][/quote]Driving with your Peugeot RSR Di2 Ultegra?[/p][/quote]No flower, a BMW M3. Now use your monthly train ticket and go somewhere far far away from Bolton please.[/p][/quote]Why don't you get in your so-called BMW M3 (which wouldn't actually fit through the bollards at 2004mm wide whilst the gap between the bollards is 2000mm) and drive as far away as possible you sexist bar steward As it is, you seem to be gay calling me flower, as I am a man, and sorry I am not your type!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -47

5:32pm Sun 2 Feb 14

mr.mark.c says...

BWFC71 wrote:
FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
Well guys, I drove over the bridge from both ways at, shall we say, slightly more than 30mph last night and I did not encounter a problem. As said in previous posts, it is just careless drivers that are the problem.
Driving with your Peugeot RSR Di2 Ultegra?
No flower, a BMW M3. Now use your monthly train ticket and go somewhere far far away from Bolton please.
Why don't you get in your so-called BMW M3 (which wouldn't actually fit through the bollards at 2004mm wide whilst the gap between the bollards is 2000mm) and drive as far away as possible you sexist bar steward

As it is, you seem to be gay calling me flower, as I am a man, and sorry I am not your type!!!
I would love to know where you get your facts, the M3 is around 1800mm at its widest point.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: Well guys, I drove over the bridge from both ways at, shall we say, slightly more than 30mph last night and I did not encounter a problem. As said in previous posts, it is just careless drivers that are the problem.[/p][/quote]Driving with your Peugeot RSR Di2 Ultegra?[/p][/quote]No flower, a BMW M3. Now use your monthly train ticket and go somewhere far far away from Bolton please.[/p][/quote]Why don't you get in your so-called BMW M3 (which wouldn't actually fit through the bollards at 2004mm wide whilst the gap between the bollards is 2000mm) and drive as far away as possible you sexist bar steward As it is, you seem to be gay calling me flower, as I am a man, and sorry I am not your type!!![/p][/quote]I would love to know where you get your facts, the M3 is around 1800mm at its widest point. mr.mark.c
  • Score: -24

9:00pm Mon 3 Feb 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
Well guys, I drove over the bridge from both ways at, shall we say, slightly more than 30mph last night and I did not encounter a problem. As said in previous posts, it is just careless drivers that are the problem.
Driving with your Peugeot RSR Di2 Ultegra?
No flower, a BMW M3. Now use your monthly train ticket and go somewhere far far away from Bolton please.
Why don't you get in your so-called BMW M3 (which wouldn't actually fit through the bollards at 2004mm wide whilst the gap between the bollards is 2000mm) and drive as far away as possible you sexist bar steward

As it is, you seem to be gay calling me flower, as I am a man, and sorry I am not your type!!!
I would love to know where you get your facts, the M3 is around 1800mm at its widest point.
Just remember guys, BWFC71 knows EVERYTHING. He is a god to the people of Bolton. Ha ha jokes, I saw him the other day trying to get through the bollards on Orlando Bridge with his zimmer-frame. BWFC71, did I state what year my M3 is? NO!
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: Well guys, I drove over the bridge from both ways at, shall we say, slightly more than 30mph last night and I did not encounter a problem. As said in previous posts, it is just careless drivers that are the problem.[/p][/quote]Driving with your Peugeot RSR Di2 Ultegra?[/p][/quote]No flower, a BMW M3. Now use your monthly train ticket and go somewhere far far away from Bolton please.[/p][/quote]Why don't you get in your so-called BMW M3 (which wouldn't actually fit through the bollards at 2004mm wide whilst the gap between the bollards is 2000mm) and drive as far away as possible you sexist bar steward As it is, you seem to be gay calling me flower, as I am a man, and sorry I am not your type!!![/p][/quote]I would love to know where you get your facts, the M3 is around 1800mm at its widest point.[/p][/quote]Just remember guys, BWFC71 knows EVERYTHING. He is a god to the people of Bolton. Ha ha jokes, I saw him the other day trying to get through the bollards on Orlando Bridge with his zimmer-frame. BWFC71, did I state what year my M3 is? NO! FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 21

9:42pm Mon 3 Feb 14

mr.mark.c says...

FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
Well guys, I drove over the bridge from both ways at, shall we say, slightly more than 30mph last night and I did not encounter a problem. As said in previous posts, it is just careless drivers that are the problem.
Driving with your Peugeot RSR Di2 Ultegra?
No flower, a BMW M3. Now use your monthly train ticket and go somewhere far far away from Bolton please.
Why don't you get in your so-called BMW M3 (which wouldn't actually fit through the bollards at 2004mm wide whilst the gap between the bollards is 2000mm) and drive as far away as possible you sexist bar steward

As it is, you seem to be gay calling me flower, as I am a man, and sorry I am not your type!!!
I would love to know where you get your facts, the M3 is around 1800mm at its widest point.
Just remember guys, BWFC71 knows EVERYTHING. He is a god to the people of Bolton. Ha ha jokes, I saw him the other day trying to get through the bollards on Orlando Bridge with his zimmer-frame. BWFC71, did I state what year my M3 is? NO!
Like it matters what year, non are that wide, maybe buttercup gets confused between yards and meters ?
[quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: Well guys, I drove over the bridge from both ways at, shall we say, slightly more than 30mph last night and I did not encounter a problem. As said in previous posts, it is just careless drivers that are the problem.[/p][/quote]Driving with your Peugeot RSR Di2 Ultegra?[/p][/quote]No flower, a BMW M3. Now use your monthly train ticket and go somewhere far far away from Bolton please.[/p][/quote]Why don't you get in your so-called BMW M3 (which wouldn't actually fit through the bollards at 2004mm wide whilst the gap between the bollards is 2000mm) and drive as far away as possible you sexist bar steward As it is, you seem to be gay calling me flower, as I am a man, and sorry I am not your type!!![/p][/quote]I would love to know where you get your facts, the M3 is around 1800mm at its widest point.[/p][/quote]Just remember guys, BWFC71 knows EVERYTHING. He is a god to the people of Bolton. Ha ha jokes, I saw him the other day trying to get through the bollards on Orlando Bridge with his zimmer-frame. BWFC71, did I state what year my M3 is? NO![/p][/quote]Like it matters what year, non are that wide, maybe buttercup gets confused between yards and meters ? mr.mark.c
  • Score: -27

6:10pm Tue 4 Feb 14

pimpmaster says...

BWFC71 wrote:
FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
I see BWFC71 has put her pennies worth in as usual. Like I said, if you can't see the bollards that are at either side of the road then you shouldn't be driving. Shouldn't be taking tight bends at 30mph anyway as George Cox installed a bollard for public crossing turning off Manchester Road as cars were going way too fast cutting on to the bridge and people were finding it difficult to cross. So you must be a CR4P driver if you couldn't negotiate the bollards at 10mph. The End.
So it seems to me that you haven't driven from Manchester Road along Orlando Bridge - I bet you don't even know where it is considering you don't even live in Bolton!

As it is I am a safe driver and NEVER had an accident.

But the law states if the road is in a 30mph zone then it HAS to be safe enough to drive at 30mph or put up signs, BEFORE the bollards, or any other road furniture, to reduce the speed limit (check it out, if you don't believe)
its not safe to drive round a blind corner at 30MPH even if the speed limit is 30MPH. for all you know there could be a kid crossing the road that you cant see.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: I see BWFC71 has put her pennies worth in as usual. Like I said, if you can't see the bollards that are at either side of the road then you shouldn't be driving. Shouldn't be taking tight bends at 30mph anyway as George Cox installed a bollard for public crossing turning off Manchester Road as cars were going way too fast cutting on to the bridge and people were finding it difficult to cross. So you must be a CR4P driver if you couldn't negotiate the bollards at 10mph. The End.[/p][/quote]So it seems to me that you haven't driven from Manchester Road along Orlando Bridge - I bet you don't even know where it is considering you don't even live in Bolton! As it is I am a safe driver and NEVER had an accident. But the law states if the road is in a 30mph zone then it HAS to be safe enough to drive at 30mph or put up signs, BEFORE the bollards, or any other road furniture, to reduce the speed limit (check it out, if you don't believe)[/p][/quote]its not safe to drive round a blind corner at 30MPH even if the speed limit is 30MPH. for all you know there could be a kid crossing the road that you cant see. pimpmaster
  • Score: 2

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