VIDEO: Council workers trapped in Smithills Farm bridge row stand-off

This Is Lancashire: Council vehicles trapped on the bridge at Smithills Open Farm Council vehicles trapped on the bridge at Smithills Open Farm

SMITHILLS farm staff have trapped Bolton Council workers on a bridge in a row over access.

Angry staff at Smithills Open Farm are trying to stop the council blocking access to the bridge leading up to the attraction.

They have positioned two tractors and a car at various points along the bridge, leaving council vehicles unable to move since 8am.

Two highways trucks and a JCB are trapped on the bridge leading to the farm, which is owned by Bolton Council.

Bolton Council believes the bridge is no longer "fit for access".

But farm boss Anthony Grimshaw said: “They want to close the bridge but there is no suitable alternative for visitors to access the farm.

“Bolton Council wants us to bring in tourists but by doing this they are stopping us, so we are not moving the tractors.”

He claims he was notified about the closure four days ago.

Mr Grimshaw said he would not move the tractors until the council removed the bollards they had already installed, and he claims council bosses have now agreed to his demands.

It is believed additional Bolton Council staff are on their way to the farm to try to resolve the situation.


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The council had previously placed temporary red and white plastic barriers on the bridge to stop large vehicles using it and was hoping to make the obstructions permanent today.

A council spokesman said: "We are aware of the situation at the farm, and we are trying to resolve the matter with the farmer.

"While we understand the farmer's concerns, our staff are just trying to do their job.

"We understand his issue regarding visitors accessing the farm and we are looking at possible alternative routes with him.

"This bridge is unsafe for large vehicles and we have tried alternative methods over the last few years to prevent large vehicles getting through, but at the same time, still maintaining access to cars.

"Unfortunately this hasn't worked, and to ensure public safety we wanted to close the bridge."

It is understood the police have been called, but none have yet arrived at the scene.

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2:13pm Tue 28 Jan 14

The Righteous One says...

Possibly under orders of Nicholas Peel : people cant get to it - visitor numbers fall - excuse to close and save money (sounds like Peel all the way!!!)
Possibly under orders of Nicholas Peel : people cant get to it - visitor numbers fall - excuse to close and save money (sounds like Peel all the way!!!) The Righteous One

2:33pm Tue 28 Jan 14

lynne22 says...

GOOD FOR THE FARMER! This bridge should have been repaired years ago. The only other way onto the farm is by a narrow BRIDALWAY up by the edge of Barlow Park. This had to be used a few years ago due to work on that bridge (!??!), and cars were getting damaged in the giant potholes and coaches were getting stuck on the narrow bend. The farmer asked for permission to make a new entrance over his fields to Belmont Rd, and was refused. If this bridge closes hundreds of children will miss out on days out on the open farm and the farmer will lose his livelyhood. I wonder why this is happening now? Maybe the deluxe new homes being built on the former Smithills Coaching house has something to do with it. After all they wont be wanting the cars and coaches passing them.
GOOD FOR THE FARMER! This bridge should have been repaired years ago. The only other way onto the farm is by a narrow BRIDALWAY up by the edge of Barlow Park. This had to be used a few years ago due to work on that bridge (!??!), and cars were getting damaged in the giant potholes and coaches were getting stuck on the narrow bend. The farmer asked for permission to make a new entrance over his fields to Belmont Rd, and was refused. If this bridge closes hundreds of children will miss out on days out on the open farm and the farmer will lose his livelyhood. I wonder why this is happening now? Maybe the deluxe new homes being built on the former Smithills Coaching house has something to do with it. After all they wont be wanting the cars and coaches passing them. lynne22

2:38pm Tue 28 Jan 14

lynne22 says...

Large vehicles eg: coaches used to park on the top car park of the coaching house and visitors walked to the farm from there. This car park is now blocked.
Large vehicles eg: coaches used to park on the top car park of the coaching house and visitors walked to the farm from there. This car park is now blocked. lynne22

2:41pm Tue 28 Jan 14

JustBecause says...

give the farmer the bridge, it if falls down and kills someone its his problem, he needs it he can maintain it. OK that's that done, what else can we fix today.
give the farmer the bridge, it if falls down and kills someone its his problem, he needs it he can maintain it. OK that's that done, what else can we fix today. JustBecause

3:11pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Jim271 says...

Moss Bank Park will be sold off next for housing with back handers going to Mr Morris.
Moss Bank Park will be sold off next for housing with back handers going to Mr Morris. Jim271

3:15pm Tue 28 Jan 14

buskersball says...

He pays council tax...the council should sort it...like someone said, the new luxury homes will have something to do with it...wonder who is involved with that?
He pays council tax...the council should sort it...like someone said, the new luxury homes will have something to do with it...wonder who is involved with that? buskersball

3:18pm Tue 28 Jan 14

The Righteous One says...

You are all forgetting one thing....

The farm is actually owned by Bolton Council and as per other report in today's BN - Peel is looking at cuts and savings and wouldn't it be good to save even more moeny if the farm failed and had to close!!! Peel is NOT bothered about jobs and people, just as long as the council save money and he is seen to be doing something about it - rather than finding alternative ways of creating an income and a new revenue stream - he did the same with Animal World, and many other "naturistic" revenue streams

Hence my critical first post!!!!
You are all forgetting one thing.... The farm is actually owned by Bolton Council and as per other report in today's BN - Peel is looking at cuts and savings and wouldn't it be good to save even more moeny if the farm failed and had to close!!! Peel is NOT bothered about jobs and people, just as long as the council save money and he is seen to be doing something about it - rather than finding alternative ways of creating an income and a new revenue stream - he did the same with Animal World, and many other "naturistic" revenue streams Hence my critical first post!!!! The Righteous One

4:00pm Tue 28 Jan 14

lynne22 says...

Just a thought. The farm is Council owned, if the farm was to fail due to lack of access, look at all that land, HOW MANY HOUSES COULD THEY GET ON THERE?
Just a thought. The farm is Council owned, if the farm was to fail due to lack of access, look at all that land, HOW MANY HOUSES COULD THEY GET ON THERE? lynne22

4:09pm Tue 28 Jan 14

The Righteous One says...

lynne22 wrote:
Just a thought. The farm is Council owned, if the farm was to fail due to lack of access, look at all that land, HOW MANY HOUSES COULD THEY GET ON THERE?
EXACTLY!
[quote][p][bold]lynne22[/bold] wrote: Just a thought. The farm is Council owned, if the farm was to fail due to lack of access, look at all that land, HOW MANY HOUSES COULD THEY GET ON THERE?[/p][/quote]EXACTLY! The Righteous One

5:23pm Tue 28 Jan 14

davidjb says...

beyond logic like the man at the roundabout near the reebok, blocking access means it will deprive access for longer. the quicker he moves his **** tractor the quicker the bridge will be done and boom open for business. he can park there for 6 years and theyll fix it in 6 years but hes had his own business shut for 6 years. logic?!
beyond logic like the man at the roundabout near the reebok, blocking access means it will deprive access for longer. the quicker he moves his **** tractor the quicker the bridge will be done and boom open for business. he can park there for 6 years and theyll fix it in 6 years but hes had his own business shut for 6 years. logic?! davidjb

5:29pm Tue 28 Jan 14

MissPeg says...

davidjb wrote:
beyond logic like the man at the roundabout near the reebok, blocking access means it will deprive access for longer. the quicker he moves his **** tractor the quicker the bridge will be done and boom open for business. he can park there for 6 years and theyll fix it in 6 years but hes had his own business shut for 6 years. logic?!
They're not fixing the bridge, they're putting up bollards to stop people using the bridge. Which means customers will no longer be able to use the main access road and neither will the staff. It's not the same issue as the Beehive roundabout, that issue was meant that essential work was not done a quickly as it could have been. This issue is far greater than delayed works.
[quote][p][bold]davidjb[/bold] wrote: beyond logic like the man at the roundabout near the reebok, blocking access means it will deprive access for longer. the quicker he moves his **** tractor the quicker the bridge will be done and boom open for business. he can park there for 6 years and theyll fix it in 6 years but hes had his own business shut for 6 years. logic?![/p][/quote]They're not fixing the bridge, they're putting up bollards to stop people using the bridge. Which means customers will no longer be able to use the main access road and neither will the staff. It's not the same issue as the Beehive roundabout, that issue was meant that essential work was not done a quickly as it could have been. This issue is far greater than delayed works. MissPeg

5:30pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Reebok Rhythm says...

lynne22 wrote:
GOOD FOR THE FARMER! This bridge should have been repaired years ago. The only other way onto the farm is by a narrow BRIDALWAY up by the edge of Barlow Park. This had to be used a few years ago due to work on that bridge (!??!), and cars were getting damaged in the giant potholes and coaches were getting stuck on the narrow bend. The farmer asked for permission to make a new entrance over his fields to Belmont Rd, and was refused. If this bridge closes hundreds of children will miss out on days out on the open farm and the farmer will lose his livelyhood. I wonder why this is happening now? Maybe the deluxe new homes being built on the former Smithills Coaching house has something to do with it. After all they wont be wanting the cars and coaches passing them.
Well informed and observant post. It's very difficult not too be too sceptical these days as there are too many 'cloak and dagger' operations that are ratified by the authorities without the consideration of the public.
[quote][p][bold]lynne22[/bold] wrote: GOOD FOR THE FARMER! This bridge should have been repaired years ago. The only other way onto the farm is by a narrow BRIDALWAY up by the edge of Barlow Park. This had to be used a few years ago due to work on that bridge (!??!), and cars were getting damaged in the giant potholes and coaches were getting stuck on the narrow bend. The farmer asked for permission to make a new entrance over his fields to Belmont Rd, and was refused. If this bridge closes hundreds of children will miss out on days out on the open farm and the farmer will lose his livelyhood. I wonder why this is happening now? Maybe the deluxe new homes being built on the former Smithills Coaching house has something to do with it. After all they wont be wanting the cars and coaches passing them.[/p][/quote]Well informed and observant post. It's very difficult not too be too sceptical these days as there are too many 'cloak and dagger' operations that are ratified by the authorities without the consideration of the public. Reebok Rhythm

5:42pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Reebok Rhythm says...

Incidentally, the land where Smithills Garden Centre once stood has been vacant for at least 15 years now. This land would be a perfect parking/ access route to Smithills Farm as there is a path adjacent to it at the back. I worked there some years ago doing conservation maintenance. I know there is an ordnance map in association with BMBC so I'm not sure if they are going to alter the perimeter boundaries that would affect public right of way. This also coincides with the new housing development where Smithills Coaching House was :-|
Incidentally, the land where Smithills Garden Centre once stood has been vacant for at least 15 years now. This land would be a perfect parking/ access route to Smithills Farm as there is a path adjacent to it at the back. I worked there some years ago doing conservation maintenance. I know there is an ordnance map in association with BMBC so I'm not sure if they are going to alter the perimeter boundaries that would affect public right of way. This also coincides with the new housing development where Smithills Coaching House was :-| Reebok Rhythm

6:09pm Tue 28 Jan 14

sallyupsteps says...

Moss lea has had all the traffic for the last few yeas. What happened to councillor Walsh, s promise that the bridge would be repaired. The council has had the money, get the job done before someone is killed on the farm track.
Moss lea has had all the traffic for the last few yeas. What happened to councillor Walsh, s promise that the bridge would be repaired. The council has had the money, get the job done before someone is killed on the farm track. sallyupsteps

6:18pm Tue 28 Jan 14

sallyupsteps says...

Are the council working for us or not? They closed a going concern at Smithills Garden Centre and we have lost twenty years income from that. Why did they not ask the farmer to run Animal World as a franchise? The bridleway up to the farm is a deathtrap. Three years ago we were promised that the bridge would be repair ed,
Are the council working for us or not? They closed a going concern at Smithills Garden Centre and we have lost twenty years income from that. Why did they not ask the farmer to run Animal World as a franchise? The bridleway up to the farm is a deathtrap. Three years ago we were promised that the bridge would be repair ed, sallyupsteps

7:30pm Tue 28 Jan 14

clickie says...

It strikes me that one suggested alternative route for the tractors, coaches and heavy delivery vans is along Moss Lea, passing Thornleigh Sixth Form College, Thornleigh School and Barlow Park Recreational Area.
Is this the route we should take to endanger the lives of the children and young adults in our local community?
Surely the council should think long and hard before taking the actions, they seem hell bent on taking. They are decimating our local area in exchange for a fast buck from property developers.
Well done the farmer and his staff for making their stand!
It strikes me that one suggested alternative route for the tractors, coaches and heavy delivery vans is along Moss Lea, passing Thornleigh Sixth Form College, Thornleigh School and Barlow Park Recreational Area. Is this the route we should take to endanger the lives of the children and young adults in our local community? Surely the council should think long and hard before taking the actions, they seem hell bent on taking. They are decimating our local area in exchange for a fast buck from property developers. Well done the farmer and his staff for making their stand! clickie

7:53pm Tue 28 Jan 14

bwfc0210 says...

Surely the council has a duty to ensure safety, after all it won't be the farmer who gets sued if there is an incident on the bridge? Why parties can't talk and get matters resolved is beyond me (cue the usual "council want business to fail" brigade).
Surely the council has a duty to ensure safety, after all it won't be the farmer who gets sued if there is an incident on the bridge? Why parties can't talk and get matters resolved is beyond me (cue the usual "council want business to fail" brigade). bwfc0210

8:03pm Tue 28 Jan 14

biglad44 says...

JustBecause wrote:
give the farmer the bridge, it if falls down and kills someone its his problem, he needs it he can maintain it. OK that's that done, what else can we fix today.
Yes I agree looking at the state of the retaining wall on the left it's all unsafe. Wonder what the public would say when someone gets hurt.
[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: give the farmer the bridge, it if falls down and kills someone its his problem, he needs it he can maintain it. OK that's that done, what else can we fix today.[/p][/quote]Yes I agree looking at the state of the retaining wall on the left it's all unsafe. Wonder what the public would say when someone gets hurt. biglad44

8:05pm Tue 28 Jan 14

ownerdriver says...

I would asume that although BMBC own the farm it does not cost the tax payers a penny, as the farmer will be leasing the land and thus generating an income for BMBC in rent and rates ???
I would asume that although BMBC own the farm it does not cost the tax payers a penny, as the farmer will be leasing the land and thus generating an income for BMBC in rent and rates ??? ownerdriver

8:38pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Mick England says...

Haven't you figured that out yet? If they were working for us then we'd still have a market hall, and historic buildings on Great Moor St and Newport St, and £48 million in the bank plus a thriving town centre! Oh and the Royal Bolton would be about £5 million better off!!
Haven't you figured that out yet? If they were working for us then we'd still have a market hall, and historic buildings on Great Moor St and Newport St, and £48 million in the bank plus a thriving town centre! Oh and the Royal Bolton would be about £5 million better off!! Mick England

9:08pm Tue 28 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

Mick England wrote:
Haven't you figured that out yet? If they were working for us then we'd still have a market hall, and historic buildings on Great Moor St and Newport St, and £48 million in the bank plus a thriving town centre! Oh and the Royal Bolton would be about £5 million better off!!
We wouldn't have £48million in the Bank as it is NOT Bolton Council that are funding the bus station but the TfGM from EVERY tax payer in Greater Manchester (and not just Bolton) plus a TIF from the Government!

Again Bolton Council has nothing to do with the Royal Bolton as that is controlled by the NHS with seats for Councillors to supposedly represent the community only - Morris worked for Royal Bolton through the capacity of the NHS and NOT Bolton Council!

I don't mind the council basing, as it does need to be to sort itself out and get working for the people again, instead of self-indulgent spineless twits like we currently have - BUT facts and truth have to be maintained, otherwise we, the voter, become just as bad as the councillors!
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: Haven't you figured that out yet? If they were working for us then we'd still have a market hall, and historic buildings on Great Moor St and Newport St, and £48 million in the bank plus a thriving town centre! Oh and the Royal Bolton would be about £5 million better off!![/p][/quote]We wouldn't have £48million in the Bank as it is NOT Bolton Council that are funding the bus station but the TfGM from EVERY tax payer in Greater Manchester (and not just Bolton) plus a TIF from the Government! Again Bolton Council has nothing to do with the Royal Bolton as that is controlled by the NHS with seats for Councillors to supposedly represent the community only - Morris worked for Royal Bolton through the capacity of the NHS and NOT Bolton Council! I don't mind the council basing, as it does need to be to sort itself out and get working for the people again, instead of self-indulgent spineless twits like we currently have - BUT facts and truth have to be maintained, otherwise we, the voter, become just as bad as the councillors! BWFC71

9:18pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Mick England says...

What the farmer should do is remove their "implied rights of access" of all people involved, and sit back and watch them retreat!
What the farmer should do is remove their "implied rights of access" of all people involved, and sit back and watch them retreat! Mick England

9:38pm Tue 28 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

Mick England wrote:
What the farmer should do is remove their "implied rights of access" of all people involved, and sit back and watch them retreat!
But the farmer doesn't own his farm - Bolton Council does.

Therefore he is currently breaching his contract with the Council and they could fire him and just close the farm down!!!! But that would make bad publicity for the Council so they are playing the long game in making sure the farm fails so to stop wasting money they will eventually close it and blame it on falling visitors numbers - then opportunity to sell for housing (short term gain for a long term pain!)
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: What the farmer should do is remove their "implied rights of access" of all people involved, and sit back and watch them retreat![/p][/quote]But the farmer doesn't own his farm - Bolton Council does. Therefore he is currently breaching his contract with the Council and they could fire him and just close the farm down!!!! But that would make bad publicity for the Council so they are playing the long game in making sure the farm fails so to stop wasting money they will eventually close it and blame it on falling visitors numbers - then opportunity to sell for housing (short term gain for a long term pain!) BWFC71

10:37pm Tue 28 Jan 14

David683 says...

Disgraceful giving the farmer 4 days notice.

The set up at Smithills Farm is a magnificent family day out. One of few attractions in Bolton these days. They treat children very well and the whole area is clean and tidy for a farm.

There are people employed at the farm and it is clear to see that the farmer has put a lot of effort into making something good for the town. The council should be doing all they can to support businesses like this.

For what it's worth, in my opinion they ought to be fixing the bridge and working with the farmer to draw in more people from outside of the town.
Disgraceful giving the farmer 4 days notice. The set up at Smithills Farm is a magnificent family day out. One of few attractions in Bolton these days. They treat children very well and the whole area is clean and tidy for a farm. There are people employed at the farm and it is clear to see that the farmer has put a lot of effort into making something good for the town. The council should be doing all they can to support businesses like this. For what it's worth, in my opinion they ought to be fixing the bridge and working with the farmer to draw in more people from outside of the town. David683

11:14pm Tue 28 Jan 14

kaffeedee says...

For those who are disabled, in a wheel chair, without a vehicle...are Bolton Council suggesting they access the farm via a dangerous private road, riddled with potholes?! Surely this is a health and safety issue, and restricting equal opportunities of the population of Bolton. Or maybe the council think it's a good idea to travel in a wheelchair through the boggy nature trail...probably be thought of as a genius idea by the dimwits in the council chambers!
So much for supporting local business!
Anthony and his workers have done great things for tourism in Bolton, and people travel to visit the farm. Disguisting!
Also, I'd like to know what consideration has been given to access for emergency service vehicles to the farm and neighbouring houses?!
For those who are disabled, in a wheel chair, without a vehicle...are Bolton Council suggesting they access the farm via a dangerous private road, riddled with potholes?! Surely this is a health and safety issue, and restricting equal opportunities of the population of Bolton. Or maybe the council think it's a good idea to travel in a wheelchair through the boggy nature trail...probably be thought of as a genius idea by the dimwits in the council chambers! So much for supporting local business! Anthony and his workers have done great things for tourism in Bolton, and people travel to visit the farm. Disguisting! Also, I'd like to know what consideration has been given to access for emergency service vehicles to the farm and neighbouring houses?! kaffeedee

12:14am Wed 29 Jan 14

wsw69 says...

The underhanded rejects who are supposed to be 'running' this waste of space of a so called town council, are only in it for one thing. Big money for themselves.

They don't give a flying f * * k about any of us, and I wouldn't p 1 5 s on any of them should they be on fire.
The underhanded rejects who are supposed to be 'running' this waste of space of a so called town council, are only in it for one thing. Big money for themselves. They don't give a flying f * * k about any of us, and I wouldn't p 1 5 s on any of them should they be on fire. wsw69

7:28am Wed 29 Jan 14

ElTigre says...

The council manager who ordered this work should be put to repair the bridge single-handed winter and summer till it's done. Smithills farm is the only good thing that's happened to Bolton since big Sam came to town. It's time that the town hired some thinking people who won't bite the hand that feeds them. Can you imagine how much that busy farm pays the town! Shame... Boooo....
The council manager who ordered this work should be put to repair the bridge single-handed winter and summer till it's done. Smithills farm is the only good thing that's happened to Bolton since big Sam came to town. It's time that the town hired some thinking people who won't bite the hand that feeds them. Can you imagine how much that busy farm pays the town! Shame... Boooo.... ElTigre

9:04am Wed 29 Jan 14

SMILEY18 says...

The farm is NOT owned by the council. The council owns the access road here. The owner of Smithills Farm offered to buy the access road and fix it himself as the council are saying it will cost too much to fix. However the council refused this offer (god knows why)! The farm workers are doing the right thing..if the council didnt accept a reasonable offer whereby the access road and bridge would be owned by the farm therefore meaning the farm would be responsible for maintenance then more fool them!!!!
The farm is NOT owned by the council. The council owns the access road here. The owner of Smithills Farm offered to buy the access road and fix it himself as the council are saying it will cost too much to fix. However the council refused this offer (god knows why)! The farm workers are doing the right thing..if the council didnt accept a reasonable offer whereby the access road and bridge would be owned by the farm therefore meaning the farm would be responsible for maintenance then more fool them!!!! SMILEY18

11:44am Wed 29 Jan 14

lv8151 says...

The farm IS owned by the council ..... taken from the new article " Mr Grimshaw said that there are ongoing issues surrounding his negotiations with the council for a new tenancy agreement for the open farm."
The farm IS owned by the council ..... taken from the new article " Mr Grimshaw said that there are ongoing issues surrounding his negotiations with the council for a new tenancy agreement for the open farm." lv8151

11:54am Wed 29 Jan 14

SMILEY18 says...

lv8151 wrote:
The farm IS owned by the council ..... taken from the new article " Mr Grimshaw said that there are ongoing issues surrounding his negotiations with the council for a new tenancy agreement for the open farm."
The actual farm business is not owned by the council. Thats like saying that if you have your own business but lease the premises then your business is owned by your landlord!
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: The farm IS owned by the council ..... taken from the new article " Mr Grimshaw said that there are ongoing issues surrounding his negotiations with the council for a new tenancy agreement for the open farm."[/p][/quote]The actual farm business is not owned by the council. Thats like saying that if you have your own business but lease the premises then your business is owned by your landlord! SMILEY18

11:57am Wed 29 Jan 14

lv8151 says...

SMILEY18 wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
The farm IS owned by the council ..... taken from the new article " Mr Grimshaw said that there are ongoing issues surrounding his negotiations with the council for a new tenancy agreement for the open farm."
The actual farm business is not owned by the council. Thats like saying that if you have your own business but lease the premises then your business is owned by your landlord!
you never said the business you said the farm was not owned by the council!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]SMILEY18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: The farm IS owned by the council ..... taken from the new article " Mr Grimshaw said that there are ongoing issues surrounding his negotiations with the council for a new tenancy agreement for the open farm."[/p][/quote]The actual farm business is not owned by the council. Thats like saying that if you have your own business but lease the premises then your business is owned by your landlord![/p][/quote]you never said the business you said the farm was not owned by the council!!!!! lv8151

12:44pm Wed 29 Jan 14

lv8151 says...

lv8151 wrote:
SMILEY18 wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
The farm IS owned by the council ..... taken from the new article " Mr Grimshaw said that there are ongoing issues surrounding his negotiations with the council for a new tenancy agreement for the open farm."
The actual farm business is not owned by the council. Thats like saying that if you have your own business but lease the premises then your business is owned by your landlord!
you never said the business you said the farm was not owned by the council!!!!!
so are you saying if i rent a building and run a business from it that means i now own the building
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMILEY18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: The farm IS owned by the council ..... taken from the new article " Mr Grimshaw said that there are ongoing issues surrounding his negotiations with the council for a new tenancy agreement for the open farm."[/p][/quote]The actual farm business is not owned by the council. Thats like saying that if you have your own business but lease the premises then your business is owned by your landlord![/p][/quote]you never said the business you said the farm was not owned by the council!!!!![/p][/quote]so are you saying if i rent a building and run a business from it that means i now own the building lv8151

12:48pm Wed 29 Jan 14

SMILEY18 says...

lv8151 wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
SMILEY18 wrote:
lv8151 wrote: The farm IS owned by the council ..... taken from the new article " Mr Grimshaw said that there are ongoing issues surrounding his negotiations with the council for a new tenancy agreement for the open farm."
The actual farm business is not owned by the council. Thats like saying that if you have your own business but lease the premises then your business is owned by your landlord!
you never said the business you said the farm was not owned by the council!!!!!
so are you saying if i rent a building and run a business from it that means i now own the building
Clearly not
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMILEY18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: The farm IS owned by the council ..... taken from the new article " Mr Grimshaw said that there are ongoing issues surrounding his negotiations with the council for a new tenancy agreement for the open farm."[/p][/quote]The actual farm business is not owned by the council. Thats like saying that if you have your own business but lease the premises then your business is owned by your landlord![/p][/quote]you never said the business you said the farm was not owned by the council!!!!![/p][/quote]so are you saying if i rent a building and run a business from it that means i now own the building[/p][/quote]Clearly not SMILEY18

1:04pm Wed 29 Jan 14

lv8151 says...

SMILEY18 wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
SMILEY18 wrote:
lv8151 wrote: The farm IS owned by the council ..... taken from the new article " Mr Grimshaw said that there are ongoing issues surrounding his negotiations with the council for a new tenancy agreement for the open farm."
The actual farm business is not owned by the council. Thats like saying that if you have your own business but lease the premises then your business is owned by your landlord!
you never said the business you said the farm was not owned by the council!!!!!
so are you saying if i rent a building and run a business from it that means i now own the building
Clearly not
glad we got that sorted :)
[quote][p][bold]SMILEY18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMILEY18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: The farm IS owned by the council ..... taken from the new article " Mr Grimshaw said that there are ongoing issues surrounding his negotiations with the council for a new tenancy agreement for the open farm."[/p][/quote]The actual farm business is not owned by the council. Thats like saying that if you have your own business but lease the premises then your business is owned by your landlord![/p][/quote]you never said the business you said the farm was not owned by the council!!!!![/p][/quote]so are you saying if i rent a building and run a business from it that means i now own the building[/p][/quote]Clearly not[/p][/quote]glad we got that sorted :) lv8151

1:15pm Wed 29 Jan 14

SMILEY18 says...

lv8151 wrote:
SMILEY18 wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
SMILEY18 wrote:
lv8151 wrote: The farm IS owned by the council ..... taken from the new article " Mr Grimshaw said that there are ongoing issues surrounding his negotiations with the council for a new tenancy agreement for the open farm."
The actual farm business is not owned by the council. Thats like saying that if you have your own business but lease the premises then your business is owned by your landlord!
you never said the business you said the farm was not owned by the council!!!!!
so are you saying if i rent a building and run a business from it that means i now own the building
Clearly not
glad we got that sorted :)
I was saying it the other way round, if you run a business from a premises which you lease, your landlord doesnt own your business. Thats all.
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMILEY18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMILEY18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: The farm IS owned by the council ..... taken from the new article " Mr Grimshaw said that there are ongoing issues surrounding his negotiations with the council for a new tenancy agreement for the open farm."[/p][/quote]The actual farm business is not owned by the council. Thats like saying that if you have your own business but lease the premises then your business is owned by your landlord![/p][/quote]you never said the business you said the farm was not owned by the council!!!!![/p][/quote]so are you saying if i rent a building and run a business from it that means i now own the building[/p][/quote]Clearly not[/p][/quote]glad we got that sorted :)[/p][/quote]I was saying it the other way round, if you run a business from a premises which you lease, your landlord doesnt own your business. Thats all. SMILEY18

1:19pm Wed 29 Jan 14

lv8151 says...

SMILEY18 wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
SMILEY18 wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
SMILEY18 wrote:
lv8151 wrote: The farm IS owned by the council ..... taken from the new article " Mr Grimshaw said that there are ongoing issues surrounding his negotiations with the council for a new tenancy agreement for the open farm."
The actual farm business is not owned by the council. Thats like saying that if you have your own business but lease the premises then your business is owned by your landlord!
you never said the business you said the farm was not owned by the council!!!!!
so are you saying if i rent a building and run a business from it that means i now own the building
Clearly not
glad we got that sorted :)
I was saying it the other way round, if you run a business from a premises which you lease, your landlord doesnt own your business. Thats all.
totally agree .... but on your original post you said the farm was not owned by the council ... and it is .... thats all i was trying to get across :)
[quote][p][bold]SMILEY18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMILEY18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SMILEY18[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: The farm IS owned by the council ..... taken from the new article " Mr Grimshaw said that there are ongoing issues surrounding his negotiations with the council for a new tenancy agreement for the open farm."[/p][/quote]The actual farm business is not owned by the council. Thats like saying that if you have your own business but lease the premises then your business is owned by your landlord![/p][/quote]you never said the business you said the farm was not owned by the council!!!!![/p][/quote]so are you saying if i rent a building and run a business from it that means i now own the building[/p][/quote]Clearly not[/p][/quote]glad we got that sorted :)[/p][/quote]I was saying it the other way round, if you run a business from a premises which you lease, your landlord doesnt own your business. Thats all.[/p][/quote]totally agree .... but on your original post you said the farm was not owned by the council ... and it is .... thats all i was trying to get across :) lv8151

12:39am Thu 30 Jan 14

oorcharliema says...

put a small steel girder bridge by the side of the old one and repair the bridge ... come on Bolton council have some balls sort it out ....2 good brickies could have that bridge taken down and rebuild in a month to its original look ..and thats how it should be put back ..not with cheep engineered shity red brick that does not fit in with the area and our beautiful hall
put a small steel girder bridge by the side of the old one and repair the bridge ... come on Bolton council have some balls sort it out ....2 good brickies could have that bridge taken down and rebuild in a month to its original look ..and thats how it should be put back ..not with cheep engineered shity red brick that does not fit in with the area and our beautiful hall oorcharliema

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