SPECIAL REPORT: Bolton's food banks

This Is Lancashire: SPECIAL REPORT: Bolton's food banks SPECIAL REPORT: Bolton's food banks

FOOD banks have become the symbol of contemporary poverty in a recession hit Britain.

Similar services in Bolton such as the Urban Outreach project have been up and running for more than 10 years.

But the growing demand from struggling families has seen other voluntary groups step up to take action.

The Farnworth and Kearsley Foodbank was first set up in December, 2012, by volunteers at the Well Baptist Church and has fed a staggering 3,300 people in need since it opened.

The food bank — part of the national charity the Trussell Trust — operates on a referral basis with charities and agencies across Bolton handing out vouchers to people classed as ‘in crisis’ and unable to buy food for themselves.

These emergency supplies have been a lifeline for families but there are some critics of this service — including, allegedly, Iain Duncan Smith.

The Work and Pensions Secretary reportedly accused the Trussell Trust of “scaremongering” in December and criticised the "political messaging of your organisation", which "despite claiming to be non-partisan" had "repeatedly sought to link the growth in your network to welfare reform".

Whether the Trussell Trust has used the Government’s controversial welfare reforms to expand its network is up for debate, but there is no denying the increasing demand for food banks in Bolton.

Alex Malone has managed the Farnworth and Kearsley Foodbank for the past year and says the underoccupancy charge — the so called “bedroom tax” — and delays in benefit payments are the biggest cause of food poverty.

Debt is also big factor in families going hungry.

Mrs Malone said: “No-one expected the level of demand we have had for this service. We knew the statistics and how many children were living in poverty in Farnworth and Kearsley but we never expected to have the volume of people coming through our door. It has been overwhelming at times.

“We’ve seen people from all walks of life. I’m not surprised any more by the people who come in because when you work here, it really opens your eyes to the circumstances anyone can find themselves in.

“We had a big jump in July when the “bedroom tax” came in and since then it has just not quietened down. When it comes to benefits there are a lot gaps in the system, which means people can be without money they need. For example, new claimants can be waiting up to six weeks.”

Food bank user Claire Mellor, aged 23, from Farnworth, needed help after her third child was born seven weeks premature.

Not only did she have to care for her two other children, she also had to fund taxi’s to and from the neonatal unit at the Royal Bolton Hospital.

Ms Mellor said: “My baby was intensive care at the time so I was having to get to and from the hospital as well as seeing to my other children. I was breastfeeding my other baby too.

“When I was struggling to make ends meet social services gave me some vouchers for the food bank and really helped. They were also able to give me nappies. It’s things like that that really help people in my predicament.

“I was nervous about coming at first but they never judge you here.”

Another 53-year-old woman from Little Hulton, who wished to remain anonymous, added: “The first time I came here was when I was hit with the bedroom tax and the second was when my low income benefit money didn’t go into the bank.

“My mum and dad helped me out but they’re pensioners themselves and it’s really hard to go and ask.

“When you first come here, you’re at your lowest. I just felt down because if your money doesn’t go in, you’re down to your last penny and you’re stuck. Having that help with food really helps.”

Bolton at Home is one of the agencies who refer people to the food bank.

Lynne Pelly, who works for the debt advice team, said: “It is very busy in Farnworth and Kearsley in terms of referrals from our debt advice service. Quite often people are in rent arrears or their benefits have been stopped. I would say there has been an increase in the past year.”

For more information about the Farnworth and Kearsley Foodbank, go to: farnworthkearsley.foodbank.org.uk.

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8:52am Sun 26 Jan 14

JustBecause says...

If you give stuff away, demand will go up, NOONE in bolton is starving to death,.

Poverty is not about the inability to by fags, booze and the latest iphone.

I have said it before, if I means tested the people using these, I would estimate a massive percentage would not qualify. when people put an mot for the car over food, it's a god indication the systems wrong.
If you give stuff away, demand will go up, NOONE in bolton is starving to death,. Poverty is not about the inability to by fags, booze and the latest iphone. I have said it before, if I means tested the people using these, I would estimate a massive percentage would not qualify. when people put an mot for the car over food, it's a god indication the systems wrong. JustBecause
  • Score: -9

8:54am Sun 26 Jan 14

JustBecause says...

Also before the food banks opened, did we see reports of 3000+ people dying in bolton a year,, what did they do before they where introduced.?
Also before the food banks opened, did we see reports of 3000+ people dying in bolton a year,, what did they do before they where introduced.? JustBecause
  • Score: -14

10:22am Sun 26 Jan 14

Citizen Cane says...

Come on BN, disclose the benefit payments that are made to single mothers of three who are expecting the taxpayers to subsidise children born recklessly to people with no non-benefit means of supporting either themselves or their children.

There is only one group of disadvantaged benefit recipient : single people without "disability" or children. All the others moan a lot.

JB also makes an excellent point : there is an infinite demand for free food.

You'll be telling us that the council tax dodging councillors have been using the food bank home delivery service next, but they still can't be named.

Let's have some proper, balanced reporting of this issue, rather than the spoon-fed anything they say must be true claptrap.
Come on BN, disclose the benefit payments that are made to single mothers of three who are expecting the taxpayers to subsidise children born recklessly to people with no non-benefit means of supporting either themselves or their children. There is only one group of disadvantaged benefit recipient : single people without "disability" or children. All the others moan a lot. JB also makes an excellent point : there is an infinite demand for free food. You'll be telling us that the council tax dodging councillors have been using the food bank home delivery service next, but they still can't be named. Let's have some proper, balanced reporting of this issue, rather than the spoon-fed anything they say must be true claptrap. Citizen Cane
  • Score: 15

10:37am Sun 26 Jan 14

Bert_Anchovy says...

"contemporary poverty" Is this some new lefty slogan? What a load of garbage, I suggest that the writer of this piece should spend a day in the archives at the library. Then she might think twice before using the word poverty.
"contemporary poverty" Is this some new lefty slogan? What a load of garbage, I suggest that the writer of this piece should spend a day in the archives at the library. Then she might think twice before using the word poverty. Bert_Anchovy
  • Score: -2

11:21am Sun 26 Jan 14

Citizen Cane says...

Let's have a reasoned debate about the adequacy of benefits which fund animals, tattoos, foreign holidays, vehicles, subsidised housing, expenses whilst doing crime or undisclosed jobs, social housing sub-let, benefit fraud, claiming whilst living with undisclosed partner,breeding for cash and so on.

Instead there are biased articles about foodbanks and spare room subsidies with no critical analysis.

Yes - support the true needy; No - kick the scroungers off the gravy train

Unfortunately the scroungers crowd out the true needy : ask any sensible benefits office employee about that one. That is the unreported reality of benefit street Bolton.
Let's have a reasoned debate about the adequacy of benefits which fund animals, tattoos, foreign holidays, vehicles, subsidised housing, expenses whilst doing crime or undisclosed jobs, social housing sub-let, benefit fraud, claiming whilst living with undisclosed partner,breeding for cash and so on. Instead there are biased articles about foodbanks and spare room subsidies with no critical analysis. Yes - support the true needy; No - kick the scroungers off the gravy train Unfortunately the scroungers crowd out the true needy : ask any sensible benefits office employee about that one. That is the unreported reality of benefit street Bolton. Citizen Cane
  • Score: -9

11:29am Sun 26 Jan 14

underwater says...

Citizen Cane wrote:
Let's have a reasoned debate about the adequacy of benefits which fund animals, tattoos, foreign holidays, vehicles, subsidised housing, expenses whilst doing crime or undisclosed jobs, social housing sub-let, benefit fraud, claiming whilst living with undisclosed partner,breeding for cash and so on.

Instead there are biased articles about foodbanks and spare room subsidies with no critical analysis.

Yes - support the true needy; No - kick the scroungers off the gravy train

Unfortunately the scroungers crowd out the true needy : ask any sensible benefits office employee about that one. That is the unreported reality of benefit street Bolton.
You have forgotton to mention the wide screen tvs that the poor people cannot do without or the latest in mobile phones. As for the single mums , they should be sterilised after baby number one, if you cannot afford to bring a child up STOP HAVING THEM.
[quote][p][bold]Citizen Cane[/bold] wrote: Let's have a reasoned debate about the adequacy of benefits which fund animals, tattoos, foreign holidays, vehicles, subsidised housing, expenses whilst doing crime or undisclosed jobs, social housing sub-let, benefit fraud, claiming whilst living with undisclosed partner,breeding for cash and so on. Instead there are biased articles about foodbanks and spare room subsidies with no critical analysis. Yes - support the true needy; No - kick the scroungers off the gravy train Unfortunately the scroungers crowd out the true needy : ask any sensible benefits office employee about that one. That is the unreported reality of benefit street Bolton.[/p][/quote]You have forgotton to mention the wide screen tvs that the poor people cannot do without or the latest in mobile phones. As for the single mums , they should be sterilised after baby number one, if you cannot afford to bring a child up STOP HAVING THEM. underwater
  • Score: 17

11:42am Sun 26 Jan 14

Iluminati says...

In a country where everything suppose to be equal, we shouldn't have a foodbank, because the state and government should be taken care of its citizen. An example is the NHS which, in general, takes care of the nation. A food bank for people in poverty should be state run, like the NHS. Food banks for people in poverty are to be seen in third world countries, but should not be a feature in the UK. Is it right that City Bankers get millions of Pounds bonuses, whilst on the other side if the coin, we privately donate into food bank to help our own citizen to survive. Somehow, something is missing in our general approach to humanity.
In a country where everything suppose to be equal, we shouldn't have a foodbank, because the state and government should be taken care of its citizen. An example is the NHS which, in general, takes care of the nation. A food bank for people in poverty should be state run, like the NHS. Food banks for people in poverty are to be seen in third world countries, but should not be a feature in the UK. Is it right that City Bankers get millions of Pounds bonuses, whilst on the other side if the coin, we privately donate into food bank to help our own citizen to survive. Somehow, something is missing in our general approach to humanity. Iluminati
  • Score: 27

12:02pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Iluminati wrote:
In a country where everything suppose to be equal, we shouldn't have a foodbank, because the state and government should be taken care of its citizen. An example is the NHS which, in general, takes care of the nation. A food bank for people in poverty should be state run, like the NHS. Food banks for people in poverty are to be seen in third world countries, but should not be a feature in the UK. Is it right that City Bankers get millions of Pounds bonuses, whilst on the other side if the coin, we privately donate into food bank to help our own citizen to survive. Somehow, something is missing in our general approach to humanity.
Democracy is not equality, that would be similar to Communism.

Democracy is the fundamental principles brought about by an absurd version of Marxist Democracy in which Capitalism is master, governments are puppets and people are just peasants and marketing Guinea Pigs - whom are meant to lay down, do as they are told, stay stupid and keep consuming.

You just have to read some of the posts and reports on BN to realize that all of the above is true.
[quote][p][bold]Iluminati[/bold] wrote: In a country where everything suppose to be equal, we shouldn't have a foodbank, because the state and government should be taken care of its citizen. An example is the NHS which, in general, takes care of the nation. A food bank for people in poverty should be state run, like the NHS. Food banks for people in poverty are to be seen in third world countries, but should not be a feature in the UK. Is it right that City Bankers get millions of Pounds bonuses, whilst on the other side if the coin, we privately donate into food bank to help our own citizen to survive. Somehow, something is missing in our general approach to humanity.[/p][/quote]Democracy is not equality, that would be similar to Communism. Democracy is the fundamental principles brought about by an absurd version of Marxist Democracy in which Capitalism is master, governments are puppets and people are just peasants and marketing Guinea Pigs - whom are meant to lay down, do as they are told, stay stupid and keep consuming. You just have to read some of the posts and reports on BN to realize that all of the above is true. Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 18

12:26pm Sun 26 Jan 14

simsamsuk says...

reading some of the posts on here makes me depressed, selfish "I'm alright jack" comments by people who think every one on benefits are skiving or living in 4 bedroom houses with a smart TV in every room, utter b*ll sh*t the people you see on benefits street are the extremes not the norm, how many mega companies dodge paying enough tax?? paying high flying lawyers to find loop holes in the tax system any chance we can have a programme about them??
I was made redundant 3 years ago sent off over 300 applications for jobs, I nearly lost my home, living on benefits is no joy ride don't believe every thing you read in the tory loving Daily mail, stop being so bloody uncaring and selfish
reading some of the posts on here makes me depressed, selfish "I'm alright jack" comments by people who think every one on benefits are skiving or living in 4 bedroom houses with a smart TV in every room, utter b*ll sh*t the people you see on benefits street are the extremes not the norm, how many mega companies dodge paying enough tax?? paying high flying lawyers to find loop holes in the tax system any chance we can have a programme about them?? I was made redundant 3 years ago sent off over 300 applications for jobs, I nearly lost my home, living on benefits is no joy ride don't believe every thing you read in the tory loving Daily mail, stop being so bloody uncaring and selfish simsamsuk
  • Score: 38

12:31pm Sun 26 Jan 14

DOGLAWRENCE says...

JustBecause wrote:
If you give stuff away, demand will go up, NOONE in bolton is starving to death,.

Poverty is not about the inability to by fags, booze and the latest iphone.

I have said it before, if I means tested the people using these, I would estimate a massive percentage would not qualify. when people put an mot for the car over food, it's a god indication the systems wrong.
Not all People on Benefits have all the Latest TVs I phones + Smoke + Booze just Think Regardless of how much Money you have One Day you might end up in a Situation where you have to Rely on FOOD BANKS then you will have a Different View . Programs Like Benefit Street are Fabricated and do not show how the MAJORITY of CLAIMANTS live .
[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: If you give stuff away, demand will go up, NOONE in bolton is starving to death,. Poverty is not about the inability to by fags, booze and the latest iphone. I have said it before, if I means tested the people using these, I would estimate a massive percentage would not qualify. when people put an mot for the car over food, it's a god indication the systems wrong.[/p][/quote]Not all People on Benefits have all the Latest TVs I phones + Smoke + Booze just Think Regardless of how much Money you have One Day you might end up in a Situation where you have to Rely on FOOD BANKS then you will have a Different View . Programs Like Benefit Street are Fabricated and do not show how the MAJORITY of CLAIMANTS live . DOGLAWRENCE
  • Score: 12

1:16pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Hough64 says...

Judgemental prats as always on here. I honestly do hope that all those making snide comments suffer from poverty through no fault of their own and that their lives suddenly change beyond recognition. Won't be so smarmy then will they?
Judgemental prats as always on here. I honestly do hope that all those making snide comments suffer from poverty through no fault of their own and that their lives suddenly change beyond recognition. Won't be so smarmy then will they? Hough64
  • Score: 4

1:33pm Sun 26 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

Also lets not forget that everyone who claim benefits are unemployed - the majority of claimants are actually working but it is their employers who are paying them the minimum wage which is definitely not a living wage and as such sending even more families below poverty line!

Also as the Tories keep harking on about real term increases in the take-home pay they do forget to mention the amount of taxation that has been introduced or increased, as well as over the inflationary rate increases in everyday goods and services, and as such the real take home pay is far lower than what it was in 2008 at the start of the world financial crisis!
Also lets not forget that everyone who claim benefits are unemployed - the majority of claimants are actually working but it is their employers who are paying them the minimum wage which is definitely not a living wage and as such sending even more families below poverty line! Also as the Tories keep harking on about real term increases in the take-home pay they do forget to mention the amount of taxation that has been introduced or increased, as well as over the inflationary rate increases in everyday goods and services, and as such the real take home pay is far lower than what it was in 2008 at the start of the world financial crisis! BWFC71
  • Score: 19

1:34pm Sun 26 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
Also lets not forget that everyone who claim benefits are unemployed - the majority of claimants are actually working but it is their employers who are paying them the minimum wage which is definitely not a living wage and as such sending even more families below poverty line!

Also as the Tories keep harking on about real term increases in the take-home pay they do forget to mention the amount of taxation that has been introduced or increased, as well as over the inflationary rate increases in everyday goods and services, and as such the real take home pay is far lower than what it was in 2008 at the start of the world financial crisis!
Apologies missed out a word on the first line - it should read...

Also lets not forget that everyone who claim benefits are NOT unemployed
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: Also lets not forget that everyone who claim benefits are unemployed - the majority of claimants are actually working but it is their employers who are paying them the minimum wage which is definitely not a living wage and as such sending even more families below poverty line! Also as the Tories keep harking on about real term increases in the take-home pay they do forget to mention the amount of taxation that has been introduced or increased, as well as over the inflationary rate increases in everyday goods and services, and as such the real take home pay is far lower than what it was in 2008 at the start of the world financial crisis![/p][/quote]Apologies missed out a word on the first line - it should read... Also lets not forget that everyone who claim benefits are NOT unemployed BWFC71
  • Score: 10

3:19pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Rivertin says...

No one should begrudge anyone food, Loads of food goes to waste in the UK, much of it could be turned into meals for people, whether you are on the breadline or not, imagine a world where churches etc could use volunteers to do such things, it happens now but not on a great scale, the idea of having to get vouchers or be means tested is very silly indeed in my view, I mean when I feed the birds in the garden I don't make them jump through hoops to get fed, they just come and eat the food that would have ended up in land fill
No one should begrudge anyone food, Loads of food goes to waste in the UK, much of it could be turned into meals for people, whether you are on the breadline or not, imagine a world where churches etc could use volunteers to do such things, it happens now but not on a great scale, the idea of having to get vouchers or be means tested is very silly indeed in my view, I mean when I feed the birds in the garden I don't make them jump through hoops to get fed, they just come and eat the food that would have ended up in land fill Rivertin
  • Score: 12

3:39pm Sun 26 Jan 14

boydell says...

Why is Claire Mellor having so many children when she obviously cannot afford to feed herself never mind feed three children!! Hasn't she heard of contraceptive pills.
I'm sure that she is expecting people to feel sorry for her, well I do. I feel sorry for the fact that she has no self control ...or pride.
It really makes me mad when I think of the genuine people who have lost their jobs and are on benefits, and then the likes of this woman who has nothing better to do than become a serial baby factory then expect it is their God given right to be financially rewarded, be it in the form of food.
It is plainly obvious that she probably never HAS had a job and the way she is going on she probably will NEVER have a job. I feel sorry for her children, they will know no better and will more than likely end up on benefits themselves .
I'm sure there will be comments from various readers....Good and Bad, but I know that I am speaking the truth when I say I have worked hard all my life and manage on a small private pension which is taxed by the way to pay for the likes of people who have never worked but are expecting ME to help keep them........
Bring it on all you do- gooders out there. I can hardly wait for your comments !!!!
Why is Claire Mellor having so many children when she obviously cannot afford to feed herself never mind feed three children!! Hasn't she heard of contraceptive pills. I'm sure that she is expecting people to feel sorry for her, well I do. I feel sorry for the fact that she has no self control ...or pride. It really makes me mad when I think of the genuine people who have lost their jobs and are on benefits, and then the likes of this woman who has nothing better to do than become a serial baby factory then expect it is their God given right to be financially rewarded, be it in the form of food. It is plainly obvious that she probably never HAS had a job and the way she is going on she probably will NEVER have a job. I feel sorry for her children, they will know no better and will more than likely end up on benefits themselves . I'm sure there will be comments from various readers....Good and Bad, but I know that I am speaking the truth when I say I have worked hard all my life and manage on a small private pension which is taxed by the way to pay for the likes of people who have never worked but are expecting ME to help keep them........ Bring it on all you do- gooders out there. I can hardly wait for your comments !!!! boydell
  • Score: 20

4:54pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Citizen Cane says...

Hough64 wrote:
Judgemental prats as always on here. I honestly do hope that all those making snide comments suffer from poverty through no fault of their own and that their lives suddenly change beyond recognition. Won't be so smarmy then will they?
Ah yes - roll out the judgemental prat himself. The one who ALWAYS wishes ill on others. The one who doesn't notice the bit that says "support the truly disadvantaged" and "crush the cheats". How could anyone disagree with that? Except a cheat maybe?
[quote][p][bold]Hough64[/bold] wrote: Judgemental prats as always on here. I honestly do hope that all those making snide comments suffer from poverty through no fault of their own and that their lives suddenly change beyond recognition. Won't be so smarmy then will they?[/p][/quote]Ah yes - roll out the judgemental prat himself. The one who ALWAYS wishes ill on others. The one who doesn't notice the bit that says "support the truly disadvantaged" and "crush the cheats". How could anyone disagree with that? Except a cheat maybe? Citizen Cane
  • Score: -2

5:19pm Sun 26 Jan 14

mr.mark.c says...

JustBecause wrote:
Also before the food banks opened, did we see reports of 3000+ people dying in bolton a year,, what did they do before they where introduced.?
Thats easy, the DWP used to issue crisis loans paid from the social fund, a small amount of money just to cover food electricity and gas, said loan was then deducted in small amounts from the persons benefits or paid directly if the person was working.
They stopped issuing these loans about a year ago, coincidence?
The fact is that anybody can hit rock bottom at any time and I for one feel for them as the system doesnt.
[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: Also before the food banks opened, did we see reports of 3000+ people dying in bolton a year,, what did they do before they where introduced.?[/p][/quote]Thats easy, the DWP used to issue crisis loans paid from the social fund, a small amount of money just to cover food electricity and gas, said loan was then deducted in small amounts from the persons benefits or paid directly if the person was working. They stopped issuing these loans about a year ago, coincidence? The fact is that anybody can hit rock bottom at any time and I for one feel for them as the system doesnt. mr.mark.c
  • Score: 16

7:04pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Citizen Cane says...

The reason that Boydell and others are taxed in their twilight years, that petrol is taxed at 60% from after tax income, that VAT is 20% and so on is because of all the hands in the state till pleading poverty till it hurts. Why do we see such people smoking whilst enjoying an overpriced coffee or beer? With mobile phones, cars and designer gear.

Why did 4 million immigrants come to fill jobs that shirkers would prefer not to do? Why are in-work benefits only paid to those with children : preferably 3, 4, 5 or more and absent fathers? Why have there been 2 million false claims for sickness benefit? Yes we know all the tricks that are played.

It's right that there should be a safety net for the truly deserving. It's not right that there should be a lazy lifestyle at taxpayers expense. Is it so wrong that taxpayers should demand this?

Why does there need to be a benefits cap at £26 THOUSAND? That is an obscene amount to pay to 30,000 benefit recipients.

This is not to mention the fortunes showered into social support systems and health that benefit recipients get for free. When a proper taxpayer gets a prescription they have to pay for it. Haven't they already paid?

Welcome to broken Britain.
The reason that Boydell and others are taxed in their twilight years, that petrol is taxed at 60% from after tax income, that VAT is 20% and so on is because of all the hands in the state till pleading poverty till it hurts. Why do we see such people smoking whilst enjoying an overpriced coffee or beer? With mobile phones, cars and designer gear. Why did 4 million immigrants come to fill jobs that shirkers would prefer not to do? Why are in-work benefits only paid to those with children : preferably 3, 4, 5 or more and absent fathers? Why have there been 2 million false claims for sickness benefit? Yes we know all the tricks that are played. It's right that there should be a safety net for the truly deserving. It's not right that there should be a lazy lifestyle at taxpayers expense. Is it so wrong that taxpayers should demand this? Why does there need to be a benefits cap at £26 THOUSAND? That is an obscene amount to pay to 30,000 benefit recipients. This is not to mention the fortunes showered into social support systems and health that benefit recipients get for free. When a proper taxpayer gets a prescription they have to pay for it. Haven't they already paid? Welcome to broken Britain. Citizen Cane
  • Score: -2

7:42pm Sun 26 Jan 14

mr.mark.c says...

Citizen Cane wrote:
The reason that Boydell and others are taxed in their twilight years, that petrol is taxed at 60% from after tax income, that VAT is 20% and so on is because of all the hands in the state till pleading poverty till it hurts. Why do we see such people smoking whilst enjoying an overpriced coffee or beer? With mobile phones, cars and designer gear.

Why did 4 million immigrants come to fill jobs that shirkers would prefer not to do? Why are in-work benefits only paid to those with children : preferably 3, 4, 5 or more and absent fathers? Why have there been 2 million false claims for sickness benefit? Yes we know all the tricks that are played.

It's right that there should be a safety net for the truly deserving. It's not right that there should be a lazy lifestyle at taxpayers expense. Is it so wrong that taxpayers should demand this?

Why does there need to be a benefits cap at £26 THOUSAND? That is an obscene amount to pay to 30,000 benefit recipients.

This is not to mention the fortunes showered into social support systems and health that benefit recipients get for free. When a proper taxpayer gets a prescription they have to pay for it. Haven't they already paid?

Welcome to broken Britain.
2 million false claims?
Wrong
You will find that ATOS are declaring most people fit for some kind of work, even though most of them could never find that job they are so called fit for, they are not false claims.
If you want to hate people then hate the ones that are able bodied and just dont want to work, not the ones that are disabled and the victims of ATOS trying to meet targets.
As for children, I agree, if they can not afford them then dont have them simple, if a person with children loses their job then fair enough but dont have more and expect more cash.
Benefits cap: That is a difficult one as I think a family up here would get less than half that but around London the rents are extreme and maybe that is what they are targeting, ???
[quote][p][bold]Citizen Cane[/bold] wrote: The reason that Boydell and others are taxed in their twilight years, that petrol is taxed at 60% from after tax income, that VAT is 20% and so on is because of all the hands in the state till pleading poverty till it hurts. Why do we see such people smoking whilst enjoying an overpriced coffee or beer? With mobile phones, cars and designer gear. Why did 4 million immigrants come to fill jobs that shirkers would prefer not to do? Why are in-work benefits only paid to those with children : preferably 3, 4, 5 or more and absent fathers? Why have there been 2 million false claims for sickness benefit? Yes we know all the tricks that are played. It's right that there should be a safety net for the truly deserving. It's not right that there should be a lazy lifestyle at taxpayers expense. Is it so wrong that taxpayers should demand this? Why does there need to be a benefits cap at £26 THOUSAND? That is an obscene amount to pay to 30,000 benefit recipients. This is not to mention the fortunes showered into social support systems and health that benefit recipients get for free. When a proper taxpayer gets a prescription they have to pay for it. Haven't they already paid? Welcome to broken Britain.[/p][/quote]2 million false claims? Wrong You will find that ATOS are declaring most people fit for some kind of work, even though most of them could never find that job they are so called fit for, they are not false claims. If you want to hate people then hate the ones that are able bodied and just dont want to work, not the ones that are disabled and the victims of ATOS trying to meet targets. As for children, I agree, if they can not afford them then dont have them simple, if a person with children loses their job then fair enough but dont have more and expect more cash. Benefits cap: That is a difficult one as I think a family up here would get less than half that but around London the rents are extreme and maybe that is what they are targeting, ??? mr.mark.c
  • Score: 9

8:36pm Sun 26 Jan 14

Citizen Cane says...

The 2 million false claims are government figures Mark - do you have something more accurate? I've not made it up.

It's not about hatred , it's about fairness. If ATOS aren't doing it fairly, then that is another matter BUT just because a false claimant says so is not a reason. After all, Stephen Hawking is seriously disabled yet has managed to work. Clearly some folk can't, many can but seek to evade their responsibilities. Respect to those who deal with the system honestly.

OK - single mother, non-working, no maintenance, social housing, three children aged 1-9, no disability component. Total annual benefits before housing benefit are around £16,000 before rent and council tax and no tax to pay. You tell me a reasonable assumption for rent and council tax. Now, a clear £16k with no rent, tax or council tax to pay: that is not poverty is it? Nor a reason to go to a food bank, particularly when there are more deserving cases out there. It's about £310 pounds a week - what's it being spent on?

BTW true poverty is surviving on 2 dollars a day - at least one billion people have to. They don't get benefits. I don't see anyone mentioning them - are they hated? Does charity start at home? If so, that is a pretty warped morality is it not, Mark?
The 2 million false claims are government figures Mark - do you have something more accurate? I've not made it up. It's not about hatred , it's about fairness. If ATOS aren't doing it fairly, then that is another matter BUT just because a false claimant says so is not a reason. After all, Stephen Hawking is seriously disabled yet has managed to work. Clearly some folk can't, many can but seek to evade their responsibilities. Respect to those who deal with the system honestly. OK - single mother, non-working, no maintenance, social housing, three children aged 1-9, no disability component. Total annual benefits before housing benefit are around £16,000 before rent and council tax and no tax to pay. You tell me a reasonable assumption for rent and council tax. Now, a clear £16k with no rent, tax or council tax to pay: that is not poverty is it? Nor a reason to go to a food bank, particularly when there are more deserving cases out there. It's about £310 pounds a week - what's it being spent on? BTW true poverty is surviving on 2 dollars a day - at least one billion people have to. They don't get benefits. I don't see anyone mentioning them - are they hated? Does charity start at home? If so, that is a pretty warped morality is it not, Mark? Citizen Cane
  • Score: 3

8:59pm Sun 26 Jan 14

mr.mark.c says...

Citizen Cane wrote:
The 2 million false claims are government figures Mark - do you have something more accurate? I've not made it up.

It's not about hatred , it's about fairness. If ATOS aren't doing it fairly, then that is another matter BUT just because a false claimant says so is not a reason. After all, Stephen Hawking is seriously disabled yet has managed to work. Clearly some folk can't, many can but seek to evade their responsibilities. Respect to those who deal with the system honestly.

OK - single mother, non-working, no maintenance, social housing, three children aged 1-9, no disability component. Total annual benefits before housing benefit are around £16,000 before rent and council tax and no tax to pay. You tell me a reasonable assumption for rent and council tax. Now, a clear £16k with no rent, tax or council tax to pay: that is not poverty is it? Nor a reason to go to a food bank, particularly when there are more deserving cases out there. It's about £310 pounds a week - what's it being spent on?

BTW true poverty is surviving on 2 dollars a day - at least one billion people have to. They don't get benefits. I don't see anyone mentioning them - are they hated? Does charity start at home? If so, that is a pretty warped morality is it not, Mark?
16k + rent ?
Now I am shocked, that is beyond reason, that would be about £450 a week or £12 an hour before tax for a working person.
I need to go and sit down, the mind boggles as a good friend earns £11 per hour and pays his mortgage, provides for his wife and kids and goes on holiday.
I am now confused to why a single mum gets so much.
[quote][p][bold]Citizen Cane[/bold] wrote: The 2 million false claims are government figures Mark - do you have something more accurate? I've not made it up. It's not about hatred , it's about fairness. If ATOS aren't doing it fairly, then that is another matter BUT just because a false claimant says so is not a reason. After all, Stephen Hawking is seriously disabled yet has managed to work. Clearly some folk can't, many can but seek to evade their responsibilities. Respect to those who deal with the system honestly. OK - single mother, non-working, no maintenance, social housing, three children aged 1-9, no disability component. Total annual benefits before housing benefit are around £16,000 before rent and council tax and no tax to pay. You tell me a reasonable assumption for rent and council tax. Now, a clear £16k with no rent, tax or council tax to pay: that is not poverty is it? Nor a reason to go to a food bank, particularly when there are more deserving cases out there. It's about £310 pounds a week - what's it being spent on? BTW true poverty is surviving on 2 dollars a day - at least one billion people have to. They don't get benefits. I don't see anyone mentioning them - are they hated? Does charity start at home? If so, that is a pretty warped morality is it not, Mark?[/p][/quote]16k + rent ? Now I am shocked, that is beyond reason, that would be about £450 a week or £12 an hour before tax for a working person. I need to go and sit down, the mind boggles as a good friend earns £11 per hour and pays his mortgage, provides for his wife and kids and goes on holiday. I am now confused to why a single mum gets so much. mr.mark.c
  • Score: 12

9:22pm Sun 26 Jan 14

adatherton says...

The Victorians put a lot of effort in separating the "deserving poor" and the "undeserving poor", for whom we have many other names. This distinction was clear in the recent TV show about benefits in 1948, and today a lot more effort is needed in taking behaviour into account when handing out welfare. Otherwise the deserving people (and there are many, all the genuinely disabled for example) will lose out in the current (and quite reasonable) anger at scroungers
The Victorians put a lot of effort in separating the "deserving poor" and the "undeserving poor", for whom we have many other names. This distinction was clear in the recent TV show about benefits in 1948, and today a lot more effort is needed in taking behaviour into account when handing out welfare. Otherwise the deserving people (and there are many, all the genuinely disabled for example) will lose out in the current (and quite reasonable) anger at scroungers adatherton
  • Score: 6

9:57pm Sun 26 Jan 14

getajob123 says...

If i ran the food bank anyone coming into the building that owned a iphone, a flat screen tv, a sky subscription, a smoker or a drinker would be thrown out. And i imagine there would be very people left. Thick people are not in poverty............ they just cannot prioritise their pathatic lives and feel like everyone owes them something.
If i ran the food bank anyone coming into the building that owned a iphone, a flat screen tv, a sky subscription, a smoker or a drinker would be thrown out. And i imagine there would be very people left. Thick people are not in poverty............ they just cannot prioritise their pathatic lives and feel like everyone owes them something. getajob123
  • Score: 6

9:58pm Sun 26 Jan 14

getajob123 says...

Rivertin wrote:
No one should begrudge anyone food, Loads of food goes to waste in the UK, much of it could be turned into meals for people, whether you are on the breadline or not, imagine a world where churches etc could use volunteers to do such things, it happens now but not on a great scale, the idea of having to get vouchers or be means tested is very silly indeed in my view, I mean when I feed the birds in the garden I don't make them jump through hoops to get fed, they just come and eat the food that would have ended up in land fill
the birds in your garden dont own iphones and flat screen tellys, smoke like chimneys and drink like vicky pollard tho do they
[quote][p][bold]Rivertin[/bold] wrote: No one should begrudge anyone food, Loads of food goes to waste in the UK, much of it could be turned into meals for people, whether you are on the breadline or not, imagine a world where churches etc could use volunteers to do such things, it happens now but not on a great scale, the idea of having to get vouchers or be means tested is very silly indeed in my view, I mean when I feed the birds in the garden I don't make them jump through hoops to get fed, they just come and eat the food that would have ended up in land fill[/p][/quote]the birds in your garden dont own iphones and flat screen tellys, smoke like chimneys and drink like vicky pollard tho do they getajob123
  • Score: 1

10:23pm Sun 26 Jan 14

mr.mark.c says...

getajob123 wrote:
If i ran the food bank anyone coming into the building that owned a iphone, a flat screen tv, a sky subscription, a smoker or a drinker would be thrown out. And i imagine there would be very people left. Thick people are not in poverty............ they just cannot prioritise their pathatic lives and feel like everyone owes them something.
You are the pathetic one, you assume everybody that needs help is a scrounger, I pity you.
[quote][p][bold]getajob123[/bold] wrote: If i ran the food bank anyone coming into the building that owned a iphone, a flat screen tv, a sky subscription, a smoker or a drinker would be thrown out. And i imagine there would be very people left. Thick people are not in poverty............ they just cannot prioritise their pathatic lives and feel like everyone owes them something.[/p][/quote]You are the pathetic one, you assume everybody that needs help is a scrounger, I pity you. mr.mark.c
  • Score: -1

11:00pm Sun 26 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

getajob123 wrote:
If i ran the food bank anyone coming into the building that owned a iphone, a flat screen tv, a sky subscription, a smoker or a drinker would be thrown out. And i imagine there would be very people left. Thick people are not in poverty............ they just cannot prioritise their pathatic lives and feel like everyone owes them something.
Have you ever been made redundant?

Have you ever have to live some of your life on benefits?

If not then you cannot come out with completely outrageous comments like that?

Sky TV - is probably the free sky (which does exist) or even Freesat or freeview
Iphone - was probably a present or bought before they had to rely on benefits
Flatscreen TV - again present or bought before having to rely on benefits
Smoker - have you ever smoked and ever tried to give up - if not then again you have no idea, a it is an addiction and addictions cannot be stopped just at a moments notice - just think of the withdrawal symptoms
Drinker - again possibly addicted or even a very light drinker. Again has withdrawal symptoms which are not clean cut with just giving up!

Do you have credit cards, do you pay them monthly? If so what will YOU do if you lost your job and ended up on benefits?

It is you who is PATHETIC! Not realising there are various reasons as to why people require food banks and various reasons as to why they have flatscreen TV etc etc etc - it is not as clean cut as you make it out to be.
[quote][p][bold]getajob123[/bold] wrote: If i ran the food bank anyone coming into the building that owned a iphone, a flat screen tv, a sky subscription, a smoker or a drinker would be thrown out. And i imagine there would be very people left. Thick people are not in poverty............ they just cannot prioritise their pathatic lives and feel like everyone owes them something.[/p][/quote]Have you ever been made redundant? Have you ever have to live some of your life on benefits? If not then you cannot come out with completely outrageous comments like that? Sky TV - is probably the free sky (which does exist) or even Freesat or freeview Iphone - was probably a present or bought before they had to rely on benefits Flatscreen TV - again present or bought before having to rely on benefits Smoker - have you ever smoked and ever tried to give up - if not then again you have no idea, a it is an addiction and addictions cannot be stopped just at a moments notice - just think of the withdrawal symptoms Drinker - again possibly addicted or even a very light drinker. Again has withdrawal symptoms which are not clean cut with just giving up! Do you have credit cards, do you pay them monthly? If so what will YOU do if you lost your job and ended up on benefits? It is you who is PATHETIC! Not realising there are various reasons as to why people require food banks and various reasons as to why they have flatscreen TV etc etc etc - it is not as clean cut as you make it out to be. BWFC71
  • Score: -2

11:01pm Sun 26 Jan 14

getajob123 says...

mr.mark.c wrote:
getajob123 wrote:
If i ran the food bank anyone coming into the building that owned a iphone, a flat screen tv, a sky subscription, a smoker or a drinker would be thrown out. And i imagine there would be very people left. Thick people are not in poverty............ they just cannot prioritise their pathatic lives and feel like everyone owes them something.
You are the pathetic one, you assume everybody that needs help is a scrounger, I pity you.
haha............ 90% are......... you sound a little dim yourself.... ps spend time getting a job/making something of yourself before pitying people you dont know. If i ever met you the irony would be comedy gold
[quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]getajob123[/bold] wrote: If i ran the food bank anyone coming into the building that owned a iphone, a flat screen tv, a sky subscription, a smoker or a drinker would be thrown out. And i imagine there would be very people left. Thick people are not in poverty............ they just cannot prioritise their pathatic lives and feel like everyone owes them something.[/p][/quote]You are the pathetic one, you assume everybody that needs help is a scrounger, I pity you.[/p][/quote]haha............ 90% are......... you sound a little dim yourself.... ps spend time getting a job/making something of yourself before pitying people you dont know. If i ever met you the irony would be comedy gold getajob123
  • Score: 0

11:11pm Sun 26 Jan 14

getajob123 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
getajob123 wrote:
If i ran the food bank anyone coming into the building that owned a iphone, a flat screen tv, a sky subscription, a smoker or a drinker would be thrown out. And i imagine there would be very people left. Thick people are not in poverty............ they just cannot prioritise their pathatic lives and feel like everyone owes them something.
Have you ever been made redundant?

Have you ever have to live some of your life on benefits?

If not then you cannot come out with completely outrageous comments like that?

Sky TV - is probably the free sky (which does exist) or even Freesat or freeview
Iphone - was probably a present or bought before they had to rely on benefits
Flatscreen TV - again present or bought before having to rely on benefits
Smoker - have you ever smoked and ever tried to give up - if not then again you have no idea, a it is an addiction and addictions cannot be stopped just at a moments notice - just think of the withdrawal symptoms
Drinker - again possibly addicted or even a very light drinker. Again has withdrawal symptoms which are not clean cut with just giving up!

Do you have credit cards, do you pay them monthly? If so what will YOU do if you lost your job and ended up on benefits?

It is you who is PATHETIC! Not realising there are various reasons as to why people require food banks and various reasons as to why they have flatscreen TV etc etc etc - it is not as clean cut as you make it out to be.
yes ive been made redundant, twice

i used the time to set my own IT company up in 2003, best thing i ever did to be honest

I went thru a few tough times, a few foodless months etc...... but to be honest it was hardly difficult. Intelligent people dont end up in situations like people like you do

you are what i call a serial no hoper......... no matter what position in life you ever occupy you will fail and blame the world for it.

Dont get me wrong, the world needs people like you to do the boring labour the rest of the country wouldnt want to do, but when benefits exist the use of food banks is just a joke.............. We already pay people like you to sit around watching jeremy kyle all day.............. or to go watching the football like a modern day collesium viewer on a weekend, so why should we also accept that you cannot budget the money we give you, and therefore offer free food to you becuase you are so thick you cannot even manage money that is given to you each month for doing nothing. Do some reading, i highly suggest ' The Republic' by Plato, it talks heavily about the mob (people like you)..............ge
t an adult to explain the big words tho
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]getajob123[/bold] wrote: If i ran the food bank anyone coming into the building that owned a iphone, a flat screen tv, a sky subscription, a smoker or a drinker would be thrown out. And i imagine there would be very people left. Thick people are not in poverty............ they just cannot prioritise their pathatic lives and feel like everyone owes them something.[/p][/quote]Have you ever been made redundant? Have you ever have to live some of your life on benefits? If not then you cannot come out with completely outrageous comments like that? Sky TV - is probably the free sky (which does exist) or even Freesat or freeview Iphone - was probably a present or bought before they had to rely on benefits Flatscreen TV - again present or bought before having to rely on benefits Smoker - have you ever smoked and ever tried to give up - if not then again you have no idea, a it is an addiction and addictions cannot be stopped just at a moments notice - just think of the withdrawal symptoms Drinker - again possibly addicted or even a very light drinker. Again has withdrawal symptoms which are not clean cut with just giving up! Do you have credit cards, do you pay them monthly? If so what will YOU do if you lost your job and ended up on benefits? It is you who is PATHETIC! Not realising there are various reasons as to why people require food banks and various reasons as to why they have flatscreen TV etc etc etc - it is not as clean cut as you make it out to be.[/p][/quote]yes ive been made redundant, twice i used the time to set my own IT company up in 2003, best thing i ever did to be honest I went thru a few tough times, a few foodless months etc...... but to be honest it was hardly difficult. Intelligent people dont end up in situations like people like you do you are what i call a serial no hoper......... no matter what position in life you ever occupy you will fail and blame the world for it. Dont get me wrong, the world needs people like you to do the boring labour the rest of the country wouldnt want to do, but when benefits exist the use of food banks is just a joke.............. We already pay people like you to sit around watching jeremy kyle all day.............. or to go watching the football like a modern day collesium viewer on a weekend, so why should we also accept that you cannot budget the money we give you, and therefore offer free food to you becuase you are so thick you cannot even manage money that is given to you each month for doing nothing. Do some reading, i highly suggest ' The Republic' by Plato, it talks heavily about the mob (people like you)..............ge t an adult to explain the big words tho getajob123
  • Score: 0

11:15pm Sun 26 Jan 14

getajob123 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
getajob123 wrote:
If i ran the food bank anyone coming into the building that owned a iphone, a flat screen tv, a sky subscription, a smoker or a drinker would be thrown out. And i imagine there would be very people left. Thick people are not in poverty............ they just cannot prioritise their pathatic lives and feel like everyone owes them something.
Have you ever been made redundant?

Have you ever have to live some of your life on benefits?

If not then you cannot come out with completely outrageous comments like that?

Sky TV - is probably the free sky (which does exist) or even Freesat or freeview
Iphone - was probably a present or bought before they had to rely on benefits
Flatscreen TV - again present or bought before having to rely on benefits
Smoker - have you ever smoked and ever tried to give up - if not then again you have no idea, a it is an addiction and addictions cannot be stopped just at a moments notice - just think of the withdrawal symptoms
Drinker - again possibly addicted or even a very light drinker. Again has withdrawal symptoms which are not clean cut with just giving up!

Do you have credit cards, do you pay them monthly? If so what will YOU do if you lost your job and ended up on benefits?

It is you who is PATHETIC! Not realising there are various reasons as to why people require food banks and various reasons as to why they have flatscreen TV etc etc etc - it is not as clean cut as you make it out to be.
ps love the excuses

cant stop smoking immediately ( yes you can )
cant stop drinking immediately ( 90% of the time you can, the other 10% there is nhs medication for )
iphone was free ( sell it then and buy food )
Flatscreen was bought before they needed benefits ( sell it then )
sky tv is free ????? really........ haha please

ps been unemployed plenty of times, i managed fine............. like intelligent adults do
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]getajob123[/bold] wrote: If i ran the food bank anyone coming into the building that owned a iphone, a flat screen tv, a sky subscription, a smoker or a drinker would be thrown out. And i imagine there would be very people left. Thick people are not in poverty............ they just cannot prioritise their pathatic lives and feel like everyone owes them something.[/p][/quote]Have you ever been made redundant? Have you ever have to live some of your life on benefits? If not then you cannot come out with completely outrageous comments like that? Sky TV - is probably the free sky (which does exist) or even Freesat or freeview Iphone - was probably a present or bought before they had to rely on benefits Flatscreen TV - again present or bought before having to rely on benefits Smoker - have you ever smoked and ever tried to give up - if not then again you have no idea, a it is an addiction and addictions cannot be stopped just at a moments notice - just think of the withdrawal symptoms Drinker - again possibly addicted or even a very light drinker. Again has withdrawal symptoms which are not clean cut with just giving up! Do you have credit cards, do you pay them monthly? If so what will YOU do if you lost your job and ended up on benefits? It is you who is PATHETIC! Not realising there are various reasons as to why people require food banks and various reasons as to why they have flatscreen TV etc etc etc - it is not as clean cut as you make it out to be.[/p][/quote]ps love the excuses cant stop smoking immediately ( yes you can ) cant stop drinking immediately ( 90% of the time you can, the other 10% there is nhs medication for ) iphone was free ( sell it then and buy food ) Flatscreen was bought before they needed benefits ( sell it then ) sky tv is free ????? really........ haha please ps been unemployed plenty of times, i managed fine............. like intelligent adults do getajob123
  • Score: 4

11:18pm Sun 26 Jan 14

mr.mark.c says...

getajob123 wrote:
mr.mark.c wrote:
getajob123 wrote:
If i ran the food bank anyone coming into the building that owned a iphone, a flat screen tv, a sky subscription, a smoker or a drinker would be thrown out. And i imagine there would be very people left. Thick people are not in poverty............ they just cannot prioritise their pathatic lives and feel like everyone owes them something.
You are the pathetic one, you assume everybody that needs help is a scrounger, I pity you.
haha............ 90% are......... you sound a little dim yourself.... ps spend time getting a job/making something of yourself before pitying people you dont know. If i ever met you the irony would be comedy gold
You are not the sharpest tool in the box are you ?
May I suggest that you potter off and drink your white light cider or your tins of special brew then come back when sober.
[quote][p][bold]getajob123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mr.mark.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]getajob123[/bold] wrote: If i ran the food bank anyone coming into the building that owned a iphone, a flat screen tv, a sky subscription, a smoker or a drinker would be thrown out. And i imagine there would be very people left. Thick people are not in poverty............ they just cannot prioritise their pathatic lives and feel like everyone owes them something.[/p][/quote]You are the pathetic one, you assume everybody that needs help is a scrounger, I pity you.[/p][/quote]haha............ 90% are......... you sound a little dim yourself.... ps spend time getting a job/making something of yourself before pitying people you dont know. If i ever met you the irony would be comedy gold[/p][/quote]You are not the sharpest tool in the box are you ? May I suggest that you potter off and drink your white light cider or your tins of special brew then come back when sober. mr.mark.c
  • Score: -7

11:27pm Sun 26 Jan 14

boydell says...

night-night children, time to go to bed, up early for work in the morning.
night-night children, time to go to bed, up early for work in the morning. boydell
  • Score: 1

11:35pm Sun 26 Jan 14

getajob123 says...

boydell wrote:
night-night children, time to go to bed, up early for work in the morning.
you really need to talk to your kids in person and not online when wishing them night night...... its creepy

unless you were being sarcastic

in which i would reply............ yes night night make sure you get plenty of sleep so you can follow instructions from your boss in the morning, you sound like need to stick to your rules the master has set you........... so dont you stay up late !!!!!!

ill wake up when i wake up........... my staff are more than competant enought to manage the business if i oversleep........
[quote][p][bold]boydell[/bold] wrote: night-night children, time to go to bed, up early for work in the morning.[/p][/quote]you really need to talk to your kids in person and not online when wishing them night night...... its creepy unless you were being sarcastic in which i would reply............ yes night night make sure you get plenty of sleep so you can follow instructions from your boss in the morning, you sound like need to stick to your rules the master has set you........... so dont you stay up late !!!!!! ill wake up when i wake up........... my staff are more than competant enought to manage the business if i oversleep........ getajob123
  • Score: -4

11:53pm Sun 26 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

getajob123 wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
getajob123 wrote:
If i ran the food bank anyone coming into the building that owned a iphone, a flat screen tv, a sky subscription, a smoker or a drinker would be thrown out. And i imagine there would be very people left. Thick people are not in poverty............ they just cannot prioritise their pathatic lives and feel like everyone owes them something.
Have you ever been made redundant?

Have you ever have to live some of your life on benefits?

If not then you cannot come out with completely outrageous comments like that?

Sky TV - is probably the free sky (which does exist) or even Freesat or freeview
Iphone - was probably a present or bought before they had to rely on benefits
Flatscreen TV - again present or bought before having to rely on benefits
Smoker - have you ever smoked and ever tried to give up - if not then again you have no idea, a it is an addiction and addictions cannot be stopped just at a moments notice - just think of the withdrawal symptoms
Drinker - again possibly addicted or even a very light drinker. Again has withdrawal symptoms which are not clean cut with just giving up!

Do you have credit cards, do you pay them monthly? If so what will YOU do if you lost your job and ended up on benefits?

It is you who is PATHETIC! Not realising there are various reasons as to why people require food banks and various reasons as to why they have flatscreen TV etc etc etc - it is not as clean cut as you make it out to be.
ps love the excuses

cant stop smoking immediately ( yes you can )
cant stop drinking immediately ( 90% of the time you can, the other 10% there is nhs medication for )
iphone was free ( sell it then and buy food )
Flatscreen was bought before they needed benefits ( sell it then )
sky tv is free ????? really........ haha please

ps been unemployed plenty of times, i managed fine............. like intelligent adults do
Yep - "Sky Freesat" (different from "Freesat") offers over 200 channels for NO subscription and has done since 2004!

http://www.radioandt
elly.co.uk/skyfreesa
t.html


so you say sell all the high-grade products and get next to nothing for them - how long would that money last?

It seems to me that you have never been unemployed. If you have ever been unemployed, when was the last time? But funnily enough you contradict yourself by a later post with saying you have your on business with your own staff - are you paying a living wage (or more) - if not why not - why should I, as a tax payer, pay your employees extra income just because you are a tight barsteward in not giving a good enough wage!!!

I have between October 2011 and January 2013 - but I was unemployed in The Netherlands where I got 70% of my last job monthly wage which was taxed (although I got the tax back) and it also had to pay for food, mortgage and health insurance - it was a struggle but I did it!!!

Now if I had been unemployed in the UK it would bee basically impossible to live on and any handouts or gifts would have been appreciated.

I know work for a company and I am a investor in a Dutch company - but I make sure the people in my company get paid a decent wage to live - why should the state pay for my employees t live a balanced life when its the sole job of the employers!
[quote][p][bold]getajob123[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]getajob123[/bold] wrote: If i ran the food bank anyone coming into the building that owned a iphone, a flat screen tv, a sky subscription, a smoker or a drinker would be thrown out. And i imagine there would be very people left. Thick people are not in poverty............ they just cannot prioritise their pathatic lives and feel like everyone owes them something.[/p][/quote]Have you ever been made redundant? Have you ever have to live some of your life on benefits? If not then you cannot come out with completely outrageous comments like that? Sky TV - is probably the free sky (which does exist) or even Freesat or freeview Iphone - was probably a present or bought before they had to rely on benefits Flatscreen TV - again present or bought before having to rely on benefits Smoker - have you ever smoked and ever tried to give up - if not then again you have no idea, a it is an addiction and addictions cannot be stopped just at a moments notice - just think of the withdrawal symptoms Drinker - again possibly addicted or even a very light drinker. Again has withdrawal symptoms which are not clean cut with just giving up! Do you have credit cards, do you pay them monthly? If so what will YOU do if you lost your job and ended up on benefits? It is you who is PATHETIC! Not realising there are various reasons as to why people require food banks and various reasons as to why they have flatscreen TV etc etc etc - it is not as clean cut as you make it out to be.[/p][/quote]ps love the excuses cant stop smoking immediately ( yes you can ) cant stop drinking immediately ( 90% of the time you can, the other 10% there is nhs medication for ) iphone was free ( sell it then and buy food ) Flatscreen was bought before they needed benefits ( sell it then ) sky tv is free ????? really........ haha please ps been unemployed plenty of times, i managed fine............. like intelligent adults do[/p][/quote]Yep - "Sky Freesat" (different from "Freesat") offers over 200 channels for NO subscription and has done since 2004! http://www.radioandt elly.co.uk/skyfreesa t.html so you say sell all the high-grade products and get next to nothing for them - how long would that money last? It seems to me that you have never been unemployed. If you have ever been unemployed, when was the last time? But funnily enough you contradict yourself by a later post with saying you have your on business with your own staff - are you paying a living wage (or more) - if not why not - why should I, as a tax payer, pay your employees extra income just because you are a tight barsteward in not giving a good enough wage!!! I have between October 2011 and January 2013 - but I was unemployed in The Netherlands where I got 70% of my last job monthly wage which was taxed (although I got the tax back) and it also had to pay for food, mortgage and health insurance - it was a struggle but I did it!!! Now if I had been unemployed in the UK it would bee basically impossible to live on and any handouts or gifts would have been appreciated. I know work for a company and I am a investor in a Dutch company - but I make sure the people in my company get paid a decent wage to live - why should the state pay for my employees t live a balanced life when its the sole job of the employers! BWFC71
  • Score: -4

12:20am Mon 27 Jan 14

mr.mark.c says...

It took about 10 seconds but I am a tad busy and do not sit watching for comments on here, Its called having a life big boy.
It took about 10 seconds but I am a tad busy and do not sit watching for comments on here, Its called having a life big boy. mr.mark.c
  • Score: -4

12:44am Mon 27 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

oh and finally where I am at moment is 1:42 am.

I am up at 5m work ay 7am, in the Brussels office, and will probably finish at 7pm when its straight to the airport to fly to London City Airport for Tuesdays work!

If you say you can work anytime and your employers can look after things then aren't you breaking the law, as being your own boss also means you have to work the minimum hours each week otherwise you wont get you full state pension - and only allow yourself at most 35 days holiday a year, again otherwise you wont have enough points for your state pension!
oh and finally where I am at moment is 1:42 am. I am up at 5m work ay 7am, in the Brussels office, and will probably finish at 7pm when its straight to the airport to fly to London City Airport for Tuesdays work! If you say you can work anytime and your employers can look after things then aren't you breaking the law, as being your own boss also means you have to work the minimum hours each week otherwise you wont get you full state pension - and only allow yourself at most 35 days holiday a year, again otherwise you wont have enough points for your state pension! BWFC71
  • Score: -8

12:54am Mon 27 Jan 14

getajob123 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
oh and finally where I am at moment is 1:42 am.

I am up at 5m work ay 7am, in the Brussels office, and will probably finish at 7pm when its straight to the airport to fly to London City Airport for Tuesdays work!

If you say you can work anytime and your employers can look after things then aren't you breaking the law, as being your own boss also means you have to work the minimum hours each week otherwise you wont get you full state pension - and only allow yourself at most 35 days holiday a year, again otherwise you wont have enough points for your state pension!
you must mean employees ????

oh dear oh dear

are you special ?????
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: oh and finally where I am at moment is 1:42 am. I am up at 5m work ay 7am, in the Brussels office, and will probably finish at 7pm when its straight to the airport to fly to London City Airport for Tuesdays work! If you say you can work anytime and your employers can look after things then aren't you breaking the law, as being your own boss also means you have to work the minimum hours each week otherwise you wont get you full state pension - and only allow yourself at most 35 days holiday a year, again otherwise you wont have enough points for your state pension![/p][/quote]you must mean employees ???? oh dear oh dear are you special ????? getajob123
  • Score: 6

12:54am Mon 27 Jan 14

getajob123 says...

BWFC71 wrote:
oh and finally where I am at moment is 1:42 am.

I am up at 5m work ay 7am, in the Brussels office, and will probably finish at 7pm when its straight to the airport to fly to London City Airport for Tuesdays work!

If you say you can work anytime and your employers can look after things then aren't you breaking the law, as being your own boss also means you have to work the minimum hours each week otherwise you wont get you full state pension - and only allow yourself at most 35 days holiday a year, again otherwise you wont have enough points for your state pension!
you must mean employees ????

oh dear oh dear

are you special ?????
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: oh and finally where I am at moment is 1:42 am. I am up at 5m work ay 7am, in the Brussels office, and will probably finish at 7pm when its straight to the airport to fly to London City Airport for Tuesdays work! If you say you can work anytime and your employers can look after things then aren't you breaking the law, as being your own boss also means you have to work the minimum hours each week otherwise you wont get you full state pension - and only allow yourself at most 35 days holiday a year, again otherwise you wont have enough points for your state pension![/p][/quote]you must mean employees ???? oh dear oh dear are you special ????? getajob123
  • Score: 4

1:22am Mon 27 Jan 14

getajob123 says...

any news from new york ????? tokyo ???? what about zurich ??????

come on jobseeker

they all need you !!!


hahahahahahahahahaha
ha
any news from new york ????? tokyo ???? what about zurich ?????? come on jobseeker they all need you !!! hahahahahahahahahaha ha getajob123
  • Score: -1

3:55am Mon 27 Jan 14

biggerpicture123 says...

I have a friend who was happily married with 2 children. He had a disability so volunteered to help with the elderly when his disability allowed him to do so. They were living fine without benefits, using his wife's income to live. Then 9 months ago, his wife died in a tragic accident. Himself and his children lost everything. Their home, their mother/partner, they sold their car. He has tried to get a job, but with so many people looking for work with experience of whatever he has applied for, his voluntary work seems to count for nothing to employers, he is refused every time. In some cases employers have told him they won't employ him because of his disability. This is against the law according to the government but its happening. His only option has been to ask for help yet blind sighted people with no idea of what the government does call him a scrounger and say he shouldn't be allowed financial help. Well if this is the way we see and treat some of our own genuine needy people, then something has gone wrong. People are too quick to judge.
I have a friend who was happily married with 2 children. He had a disability so volunteered to help with the elderly when his disability allowed him to do so. They were living fine without benefits, using his wife's income to live. Then 9 months ago, his wife died in a tragic accident. Himself and his children lost everything. Their home, their mother/partner, they sold their car. He has tried to get a job, but with so many people looking for work with experience of whatever he has applied for, his voluntary work seems to count for nothing to employers, he is refused every time. In some cases employers have told him they won't employ him because of his disability. This is against the law according to the government but its happening. His only option has been to ask for help yet blind sighted people with no idea of what the government does call him a scrounger and say he shouldn't be allowed financial help. Well if this is the way we see and treat some of our own genuine needy people, then something has gone wrong. People are too quick to judge. biggerpicture123
  • Score: 8

8:43am Mon 27 Jan 14

The Righteous One says...

Als een eigenaar van een kleine-middelgrote bedrijven die je blijft beweren te zijn dan moet je moet weten welk percentage van een loon gaat naar National Insurance en wat extra percentage teh onderneming daadwerkelijk betaalt, en als yyou doen wat zijn de percentages (alleen percentages als zijn hetzelfde voor elk bedrijf en als zodanig geen geheim)
Als een eigenaar van een kleine-middelgrote bedrijven die je blijft beweren te zijn dan moet je moet weten welk percentage van een loon gaat naar National Insurance en wat extra percentage teh onderneming daadwerkelijk betaalt, en als yyou doen wat zijn de percentages (alleen percentages als zijn hetzelfde voor elk bedrijf en als zodanig geen geheim) The Righteous One
  • Score: -9

10:09am Mon 27 Jan 14

boltonchap says...

BWFC you posted on Saturday that you were going to an Italian restaurant in RADCLIFFE on Sunday night. So how can you get up at 5:00 this morning and be at your desk in Brussels by 7:00 this morning?
It just gets better. The best show in town. I could sell tickets for this.
BWFC you posted on Saturday that you were going to an Italian restaurant in RADCLIFFE on Sunday night. So how can you get up at 5:00 this morning and be at your desk in Brussels by 7:00 this morning? It just gets better. The best show in town. I could sell tickets for this. boltonchap
  • Score: 10

10:33am Mon 27 Jan 14

The Righteous One says...

boltonchap wrote:
BWFC you posted on Saturday that you were going to an Italian restaurant in RADCLIFFE on Sunday night. So how can you get up at 5:00 this morning and be at your desk in Brussels by 7:00 this morning?
It just gets better. The best show in town. I could sell tickets for this.
Because if you hand't noticed I wasn't online for at least 3 hours on Sunday afternoon -why? because I was told, on Sunday morning, to get on a flight to Brussels, which is where I was last night, this morning and now and will be until at least 7pm tonight which then I will be heading to the airport to catch a VLM flight to London City AIrport.

Its whats known as work - you know where one goes to do a job and get paid for it and basically get told what to do, where to go etc etc etc

But as usual you know nothing of the job and just mock, because it seems you are either unemployed or just a plain old labourer!
[quote][p][bold]boltonchap[/bold] wrote: BWFC you posted on Saturday that you were going to an Italian restaurant in RADCLIFFE on Sunday night. So how can you get up at 5:00 this morning and be at your desk in Brussels by 7:00 this morning? It just gets better. The best show in town. I could sell tickets for this.[/p][/quote]Because if you hand't noticed I wasn't online for at least 3 hours on Sunday afternoon -why? because I was told, on Sunday morning, to get on a flight to Brussels, which is where I was last night, this morning and now and will be until at least 7pm tonight which then I will be heading to the airport to catch a VLM flight to London City AIrport. Its whats known as work - you know where one goes to do a job and get paid for it and basically get told what to do, where to go etc etc etc But as usual you know nothing of the job and just mock, because it seems you are either unemployed or just a plain old labourer! The Righteous One
  • Score: -11

10:46am Mon 27 Jan 14

boltonchap says...

The Righteous One wrote:
boltonchap wrote:
BWFC you posted on Saturday that you were going to an Italian restaurant in RADCLIFFE on Sunday night. So how can you get up at 5:00 this morning and be at your desk in Brussels by 7:00 this morning?
It just gets better. The best show in town. I could sell tickets for this.
Because if you hand't noticed I wasn't online for at least 3 hours on Sunday afternoon -why? because I was told, on Sunday morning, to get on a flight to Brussels, which is where I was last night, this morning and now and will be until at least 7pm tonight which then I will be heading to the airport to catch a VLM flight to London City AIrport.

Its whats known as work - you know where one goes to do a job and get paid for it and basically get told what to do, where to go etc etc etc

But as usual you know nothing of the job and just mock, because it seems you are either unemployed or just a plain old labourer!
You posted at 6:45 p.m. Saturday the following, “Last night had a great meal at Revolcuion de Cuba a whilst tomorrow of out to an Italian restaurant in Radcliffe whilst the daytime will consist of the gym”
I rest my case.
Once again you have become the story diverting comment from the issue in the thread.
We all see through your lies and deceptions on here, so just go away please.
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]boltonchap[/bold] wrote: BWFC you posted on Saturday that you were going to an Italian restaurant in RADCLIFFE on Sunday night. So how can you get up at 5:00 this morning and be at your desk in Brussels by 7:00 this morning? It just gets better. The best show in town. I could sell tickets for this.[/p][/quote]Because if you hand't noticed I wasn't online for at least 3 hours on Sunday afternoon -why? because I was told, on Sunday morning, to get on a flight to Brussels, which is where I was last night, this morning and now and will be until at least 7pm tonight which then I will be heading to the airport to catch a VLM flight to London City AIrport. Its whats known as work - you know where one goes to do a job and get paid for it and basically get told what to do, where to go etc etc etc But as usual you know nothing of the job and just mock, because it seems you are either unemployed or just a plain old labourer![/p][/quote]You posted at 6:45 p.m. Saturday the following, “Last night had a great meal at Revolcuion de Cuba a whilst tomorrow of out to an Italian restaurant in Radcliffe whilst the daytime will consist of the gym” I rest my case. Once again you have become the story diverting comment from the issue in the thread. We all see through your lies and deceptions on here, so just go away please. boltonchap
  • Score: 7

11:03am Mon 27 Jan 14

Paralipsis says...

"Once again you have become the story diverting comment from the issue in the thread."
"Once again you have become the story diverting comment from the issue in the thread." Paralipsis
  • Score: 8

11:11am Mon 27 Jan 14

Donkey Stone says...

JustBecause wrote:
If you give stuff away, demand will go up, NOONE in bolton is starving to death,.

Poverty is not about the inability to by fags, booze and the latest iphone.

I have said it before, if I means tested the people using these, I would estimate a massive percentage would not qualify. when people put an mot for the car over food, it's a god indication the systems wrong.
What if the MOT on the car is needed to get you to work? Are you Thatchers re-incarnation?
[quote][p][bold]JustBecause[/bold] wrote: If you give stuff away, demand will go up, NOONE in bolton is starving to death,. Poverty is not about the inability to by fags, booze and the latest iphone. I have said it before, if I means tested the people using these, I would estimate a massive percentage would not qualify. when people put an mot for the car over food, it's a god indication the systems wrong.[/p][/quote]What if the MOT on the car is needed to get you to work? Are you Thatchers re-incarnation? Donkey Stone
  • Score: -4

11:11am Mon 27 Jan 14

The Righteous One says...

You have asked this before - over 2 months ago and I answered you fully - now do your maths, so how much I am actually on here - considering you cannot tell whether I am online or not - what time did I start work and what time am I finishing and what time and length are my breaks - factor all those into the equation and hey presto you have your answer!!!!

And how many times do you need telling that I normally work from either a works pc or my own "works" laptop (which I bought) as well as my own personal laptop (which I have bought) and currently using a platform which is outside my employers due to my location.

Now I know you are getting on a bit and if you cannot remember what I told you a couple of months ago - again it seems you have some serious mental issues
You have asked this before - over 2 months ago and I answered you fully - now do your maths, so how much I am actually on here - considering you cannot tell whether I am online or not - what time did I start work and what time am I finishing and what time and length are my breaks - factor all those into the equation and hey presto you have your answer!!!! And how many times do you need telling that I normally work from either a works pc or my own "works" laptop (which I bought) as well as my own personal laptop (which I have bought) and currently using a platform which is outside my employers due to my location. Now I know you are getting on a bit and if you cannot remember what I told you a couple of months ago - again it seems you have some serious mental issues The Righteous One
  • Score: -12

11:17am Mon 27 Jan 14

boltonchap says...

Back to the topic. My view is simple - if you pay people to be poor you will get more poor people. Blunt but axiomatic.
Back to the topic. My view is simple - if you pay people to be poor you will get more poor people. Blunt but axiomatic. boltonchap
  • Score: 4

11:32am Mon 27 Jan 14

The Righteous One says...

boltonchap wrote:
Back to the topic. My view is simple - if you pay people to be poor you will get more poor people. Blunt but axiomatic.
At last you have made a comment on the story - after how many posts?

Show your contempt for the casual reader!


All my posts with regards to this story are further up - before this numpty starting inflicting his vendetta all over the show.
[quote][p][bold]boltonchap[/bold] wrote: Back to the topic. My view is simple - if you pay people to be poor you will get more poor people. Blunt but axiomatic.[/p][/quote]At last you have made a comment on the story - after how many posts? Show your contempt for the casual reader! All my posts with regards to this story are further up - before this numpty starting inflicting his vendetta all over the show. The Righteous One
  • Score: -5

11:34am Mon 27 Jan 14

boydell says...

The Righteous One wrote:
Als een eigenaar van een kleine-middelgrote bedrijven die je blijft beweren te zijn dan moet je moet weten welk percentage van een loon gaat naar National Insurance en wat extra percentage teh onderneming daadwerkelijk betaalt, en als yyou doen wat zijn de percentages (alleen percentages als zijn hetzelfde voor elk bedrijf en als zodanig geen geheim)
and there was me thinking that WALTER MITTY was just a movie.!!!
[quote][p][bold]The Righteous One[/bold] wrote: Als een eigenaar van een kleine-middelgrote bedrijven die je blijft beweren te zijn dan moet je moet weten welk percentage van een loon gaat naar National Insurance en wat extra percentage teh onderneming daadwerkelijk betaalt, en als yyou doen wat zijn de percentages (alleen percentages als zijn hetzelfde voor elk bedrijf en als zodanig geen geheim)[/p][/quote]and there was me thinking that WALTER MITTY was just a movie.!!! boydell
  • Score: 6

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