Thousands turn out for Muslim faith walk

Thousands turn out for Muslim faith walk

Thousands turn out for faith walk

Walkers at the Makkah Mosque in Great Lever at the start of the walk

Zain Hussain, aged eight, waves colourful flags during the walk

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THOUSANDS of people from all over the country came together for a faith walk to mark the birthday of the Muslim holy prophet Muhammad.

Prayers, chanting, flags and a car decorated in tinsel were part of the celebrations.

People flocked to Bolton from areas including Peterborough, Huddersfield, Bradford, Blackburn and Bristol to join in the event, which was taking place for the 19th time.

Sheikh Sufi Mohammed Aslam, a late Muslim leader, was remembered at the walk for the work he did in his life for Muslims, particularly youngsters.

Roads were closed while people walked the streets waving flags and chanting the prophet’s name.

The faith walk this afternoon started at the Makkah Mosque in Grecian Crescent, Great Lever and ended at the Ghosia Mosque in Auburn Street, also in Great Lever. It lasted for about an hour.

Mian Aqeel, from Makkah Mosque, speaking before the walk, said: “This is one of the biggest events of the year for Muslims.

We expected between 1,500 to 2,000 people to attend the walk.

After the event we will start planning next year’s. It takes a whole year to plan.

Our motto is peace, harmony and love. We love everybody. Everyone is welcome to join the celebrations.”

Waseem Khan, aged 30, from Heaton, said: “It’s a peaceful march where Muslims gather to celebrate and show everybody that it’s the birth of the prophet.

"Events to celebrate will be taking place around the world. Scholars from different parts of the country will speak after the walk about the prophet.

"We see the prophet as a role model and want to send everybody the message that Islam is a peaceful religion.

"We want to share this with everybody, not just Muslims.”

Organisers said they wanted to thank Bolton Council for its support and for allowing the roads to be closed.

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6:21pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Beyond News Forum says...

Peaceful...
Peaceful... Beyond News Forum
  • Score: 11

7:51pm Sun 12 Jan 14

mumrahhh says...

Enough said....... and read it how u wish....
Enough said....... and read it how u wish.... mumrahhh
  • Score: 7

8:03pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Barbara44 says...

I saw this walk and no way were there thousands!
I saw this walk and no way were there thousands! Barbara44
  • Score: 21

8:11pm Sun 12 Jan 14

angus macoatup says...

more comments deleted than are left
more comments deleted than are left angus macoatup
  • Score: 20

8:24pm Sun 12 Jan 14

underwater says...

Why was my post deleted, thought we had free speech in this country.
Why was my post deleted, thought we had free speech in this country. underwater
  • Score: 15

8:26pm Sun 12 Jan 14

thomas222 says...

How can it be his birthday when he has never been born or existed as a Man, he is a man made person.
How can it be his birthday when he has never been born or existed as a Man, he is a man made person. thomas222
  • Score: 2

8:28pm Sun 12 Jan 14

thomas222 says...

Mr Hewitt wrote:
Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran
The Quran is a Man made invention to control.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Hewitt[/bold] wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran[/p][/quote]The Quran is a Man made invention to control. thomas222
  • Score: 8

8:28pm Sun 12 Jan 14

angus macoatup says...

underwater wrote:
Why was my post deleted, thought we had free speech in this country.
not in bolton speech now thought later.
[quote][p][bold]underwater[/bold] wrote: Why was my post deleted, thought we had free speech in this country.[/p][/quote]not in bolton speech now thought later. angus macoatup
  • Score: 17

8:32pm Sun 12 Jan 14

mumrahhh says...

The people that delete comments mustn't like the truth ......
The people that delete comments mustn't like the truth ...... mumrahhh
  • Score: 12

9:02pm Sun 12 Jan 14

underwater says...

I am really angry that my post was deleted. **** the lot of them.
I am really angry that my post was deleted. **** the lot of them. underwater
  • Score: 6

9:05pm Sun 12 Jan 14

mumrahhh says...

underwater wrote:
I am really angry that my post was deleted. **** the lot of them.
Who is deleting comments....
[quote][p][bold]underwater[/bold] wrote: I am really angry that my post was deleted. **** the lot of them.[/p][/quote]Who is deleting comments.... mumrahhh
  • Score: 6

9:11pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Reality50 says...

We are constantly told to believe in equality and diversity yet Islam treats women as inferior beings. Look at the photo from today? Not one single female was in that march.The women were no doubt stuck at home not allowed to attend. I am sick of lefties preaching equality yet seemingly having a blind spot when it comes to the teachings of Islam.
We are constantly told to believe in equality and diversity yet Islam treats women as inferior beings. Look at the photo from today? Not one single female was in that march.The women were no doubt stuck at home not allowed to attend. I am sick of lefties preaching equality yet seemingly having a blind spot when it comes to the teachings of Islam. Reality50
  • Score: 55

9:28pm Sun 12 Jan 14

thomas222 says...

Reality50 wrote:
We are constantly told to believe in equality and diversity yet Islam treats women as inferior beings. Look at the photo from today? Not one single female was in that march.The women were no doubt stuck at home not allowed to attend. I am sick of lefties preaching equality yet seemingly having a blind spot when it comes to the teachings of Islam.
Its a cult end of....
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: We are constantly told to believe in equality and diversity yet Islam treats women as inferior beings. Look at the photo from today? Not one single female was in that march.The women were no doubt stuck at home not allowed to attend. I am sick of lefties preaching equality yet seemingly having a blind spot when it comes to the teachings of Islam.[/p][/quote]Its a cult end of.... thomas222
  • Score: 23

9:36pm Sun 12 Jan 14

underwater says...

The censoring of my post makes it look as if I wrote something disgusting . Well I did not, I can normally get my point across without swearing allthough this topic makes me feel like it. It seems as though the BEN is being very one sided with this story.
The censoring of my post makes it look as if I wrote something disgusting . Well I did not, I can normally get my point across without swearing allthough this topic makes me feel like it. It seems as though the BEN is being very one sided with this story. underwater
  • Score: 38

9:40pm Sun 12 Jan 14

The bluetooth. says...

thomas222 wrote:
Mr Hewitt wrote:
Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran
The Quran is a Man made invention to control.
If u have read the translation u will hav gathered that it was not man made. It was revealed by Allah. Only the quran has not been changed or altered over the years. All the holy books hav inc bible. The quran is a manual in order for a muslim to lead his /her life. The ignorant will always be ignorant but one day very shortly the truth will **** out...so if your not for it then dont be against it.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Hewitt[/bold] wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran[/p][/quote]The Quran is a Man made invention to control.[/p][/quote]If u have read the translation u will hav gathered that it was not man made. It was revealed by Allah. Only the quran has not been changed or altered over the years. All the holy books hav inc bible. The quran is a manual in order for a muslim to lead his /her life. The ignorant will always be ignorant but one day very shortly the truth will **** out...so if your not for it then dont be against it. The bluetooth.
  • Score: -26

11:03pm Sun 12 Jan 14

pstuart says...

Was Miranda Newry (Crime Reporter) actually there or she just quoting some BS figures given to her.

If was there in her proper job description then I can see some irony creeping in.
Was Miranda Newry (Crime Reporter) actually there or she just quoting some BS figures given to her. If was there in her proper job description then I can see some irony creeping in. pstuart
  • Score: 17

11:47pm Sun 12 Jan 14

Whothis says...

thomas222 wrote:
Mr Hewitt wrote:
Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran
The Quran is a Man made invention to control.
Dear Thomas222
You say in this comment that the Quran was 'man made' and in your previous comment you say the Prophet Never existed? So therefore by your logic how can a man who never existed make a 'man made' book?
And just a little info for you this particular prophet is actually buried in the city of Madinah in Arabia,, so obviously did exist as their are actual remains.
Please check your facts before making comments about things you seem to know very little about. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and points of view, but facts based in truth are important.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Hewitt[/bold] wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran[/p][/quote]The Quran is a Man made invention to control.[/p][/quote]Dear Thomas222 You say in this comment that the Quran was 'man made' and in your previous comment you say the Prophet Never existed? So therefore by your logic how can a man who never existed make a 'man made' book? And just a little info for you this particular prophet is actually buried in the city of Madinah in Arabia,, so obviously did exist as their are actual remains. Please check your facts before making comments about things you seem to know very little about. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and points of view, but facts based in truth are important. Whothis
  • Score: 18

11:59pm Sun 12 Jan 14

waterbottle says...

Just a few hundred brainwashed idiots turned out
Just a few hundred brainwashed idiots turned out waterbottle
  • Score: 31

12:12am Mon 13 Jan 14

Whothis says...

Reality50 wrote:
We are constantly told to believe in equality and diversity yet Islam treats women as inferior beings. Look at the photo from today? Not one single female was in that march.The women were no doubt stuck at home not allowed to attend. I am sick of lefties preaching equality yet seemingly having a blind spot when it comes to the teachings of Islam.
Islam itself does not treat woman as 'inferior beings', people and culture does that, yes you quite rightly pointed out the fact that no females were in attendance, this is due to cultural influences not Islam itself, just like culture dictates that woman in the west should emphasise and exploit their sexuality in order to be in keeping with the 'moral standards' of their peers in the public houses and night clubs, which are their to facilitate the uninhibited meeting of men and woman, in order to find a friend/girlfriend/bo
yfriend/wife/husband
, free choice? free will? in some cultures it is still seen as shameful to behave in such a way in order to facilitate the satisfaction of ones base needs, but where does that leave the 'western woman? When faced with fickle 'men' who would rather have a casual encounter merely to satisfy sexual needs, than to commit to a woman as real men used to do? Is this the 'equality' you refer to? Were woman are used and abused as the playthings of fickle men? And if the woman expresses her sexual desires is that equality when she has an equal amount of partners as a man? Or does she then become a whore or ****? No longer 'marriage material'? To be passed from one man to another is this the equality you wish for the woman of your family? All cultures suffer from some form of social weakness, and woman have always been subjugated by men the world over in one way or another, the deprivation of 'freedom' or the exploitation of their sexuality whilst being told they are 'free', in short woman have a hard time of it, so it's up to the men to become 'real men' and treat woman with true respect and equality in all cultures and societies, utopia my friend does not exist, start in your own home first.
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: We are constantly told to believe in equality and diversity yet Islam treats women as inferior beings. Look at the photo from today? Not one single female was in that march.The women were no doubt stuck at home not allowed to attend. I am sick of lefties preaching equality yet seemingly having a blind spot when it comes to the teachings of Islam.[/p][/quote]Islam itself does not treat woman as 'inferior beings', people and culture does that, yes you quite rightly pointed out the fact that no females were in attendance, this is due to cultural influences not Islam itself, just like culture dictates that woman in the west should emphasise and exploit their sexuality in order to be in keeping with the 'moral standards' of their peers in the public houses and night clubs, which are their to facilitate the uninhibited meeting of men and woman, in order to find a friend/girlfriend/bo yfriend/wife/husband , free choice? free will? in some cultures it is still seen as shameful to behave in such a way in order to facilitate the satisfaction of ones base needs, but where does that leave the 'western woman? When faced with fickle 'men' who would rather have a casual encounter merely to satisfy sexual needs, than to commit to a woman as real men used to do? Is this the 'equality' you refer to? Were woman are used and abused as the playthings of fickle men? And if the woman expresses her sexual desires is that equality when she has an equal amount of partners as a man? Or does she then become a whore or ****? No longer 'marriage material'? To be passed from one man to another is this the equality you wish for the woman of your family? All cultures suffer from some form of social weakness, and woman have always been subjugated by men the world over in one way or another, the deprivation of 'freedom' or the exploitation of their sexuality whilst being told they are 'free', in short woman have a hard time of it, so it's up to the men to become 'real men' and treat woman with true respect and equality in all cultures and societies, utopia my friend does not exist, start in your own home first. Whothis
  • Score: 13

12:40am Mon 13 Jan 14

Whothis says...

thomas222 wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
We are constantly told to believe in equality and diversity yet Islam treats women as inferior beings. Look at the photo from today? Not one single female was in that march.The women were no doubt stuck at home not allowed to attend. I am sick of lefties preaching equality yet seemingly having a blind spot when it comes to the teachings of Islam.
Its a cult end of....
The 2nd largest and fasting growing 'cult' in the world after Christianity, in fact if it was as old as Christianity I'm pretty sure it would now be the largest 'cult' in the world....!!! I don't think it's going to need another 600 years to catch up to Christianity the amount of people entering into Islam are quite staggering, so maybe 60 years to catch up,, maybe less....some estimates say 40/50 years not very long really,, and coupled with the increasing decline in Christians (practising not dormant or name only) it could be even sooner...!!!
Just think in less than 60 years the whole of Europe could become part of an Islamic Empire by default and through the natural process of demographics,, that's of course if we don't get dragged into a 'war of civilisations' in which case it could be a lot sooner....!! Quick fact for you Thomas222 the Christians are awaiting the arrival of Jesus,,,,the Muslims are awaiting the arrival of??......yes you got it Jesus,,,,and the Jews await their 'messiah' and if it's really what you are waiting for or longing for a 'clash of civilisations' just remember this, war is terrible and merciless no matter what you are or what you believe,,,,and it won't be confined to some distant land,,,it will be a tragedy for all mankind,, no matter where you are...
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: We are constantly told to believe in equality and diversity yet Islam treats women as inferior beings. Look at the photo from today? Not one single female was in that march.The women were no doubt stuck at home not allowed to attend. I am sick of lefties preaching equality yet seemingly having a blind spot when it comes to the teachings of Islam.[/p][/quote]Its a cult end of....[/p][/quote]The 2nd largest and fasting growing 'cult' in the world after Christianity, in fact if it was as old as Christianity I'm pretty sure it would now be the largest 'cult' in the world....!!! I don't think it's going to need another 600 years to catch up to Christianity the amount of people entering into Islam are quite staggering, so maybe 60 years to catch up,, maybe less....some estimates say 40/50 years not very long really,, and coupled with the increasing decline in Christians (practising not dormant or name only) it could be even sooner...!!! Just think in less than 60 years the whole of Europe could become part of an Islamic Empire by default and through the natural process of demographics,, that's of course if we don't get dragged into a 'war of civilisations' in which case it could be a lot sooner....!! Quick fact for you Thomas222 the Christians are awaiting the arrival of Jesus,,,,the Muslims are awaiting the arrival of??......yes you got it Jesus,,,,and the Jews await their 'messiah' and if it's really what you are waiting for or longing for a 'clash of civilisations' just remember this, war is terrible and merciless no matter what you are or what you believe,,,,and it won't be confined to some distant land,,,it will be a tragedy for all mankind,, no matter where you are... Whothis
  • Score: -6

2:07am Mon 13 Jan 14

Reality50 says...

If Miranda was at this march and has contact details for the organisers,i would hope she could maybe interview them this week and ask why women were not at this event. Also who made the decision to bar women from this event and to question Islam's view on equality of women generally.These questions need to be asked because pretty much any other group in the UK outside of Islamic ones,would have both sexes marching. The anti fracking demo in Salford yesterday a case in point or anti cuts demos or whatever. If a Muslim woman had turned up yesterday on the march in Great Lever what would have happened? Would she have been shunned? punished or welcomed by the 100% Muslim male throng? We need to know. BN journalists should get on the case.
If Miranda was at this march and has contact details for the organisers,i would hope she could maybe interview them this week and ask why women were not at this event. Also who made the decision to bar women from this event and to question Islam's view on equality of women generally.These questions need to be asked because pretty much any other group in the UK outside of Islamic ones,would have both sexes marching. The anti fracking demo in Salford yesterday a case in point or anti cuts demos or whatever. If a Muslim woman had turned up yesterday on the march in Great Lever what would have happened? Would she have been shunned? punished or welcomed by the 100% Muslim male throng? We need to know. BN journalists should get on the case. Reality50
  • Score: 26

8:28am Mon 13 Jan 14

Jim271 says...

I grew out of my imaginary friends.
I grew out of my imaginary friends. Jim271
  • Score: 8

8:55am Mon 13 Jan 14

ussy7861 says...

Reality50 wrote:
We are constantly told to believe in equality and diversity yet Islam treats women as inferior beings. Look at the photo from today? Not one single female was in that march.The women were no doubt stuck at home not allowed to attend. I am sick of lefties preaching equality yet seemingly having a blind spot when it comes to the teachings of Islam.
Can i just say that there was a ladies gathering at the same time so don't go around saying all this bs. about women not attending.
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: We are constantly told to believe in equality and diversity yet Islam treats women as inferior beings. Look at the photo from today? Not one single female was in that march.The women were no doubt stuck at home not allowed to attend. I am sick of lefties preaching equality yet seemingly having a blind spot when it comes to the teachings of Islam.[/p][/quote]Can i just say that there was a ladies gathering at the same time so don't go around saying all this bs. about women not attending. ussy7861
  • Score: -18

8:58am Mon 13 Jan 14

ussy7861 says...

Whothis wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
We are constantly told to believe in equality and diversity yet Islam treats women as inferior beings. Look at the photo from today? Not one single female was in that march.The women were no doubt stuck at home not allowed to attend. I am sick of lefties preaching equality yet seemingly having a blind spot when it comes to the teachings of Islam.
Islam itself does not treat woman as 'inferior beings', people and culture does that, yes you quite rightly pointed out the fact that no females were in attendance, this is due to cultural influences not Islam itself, just like culture dictates that woman in the west should emphasise and exploit their sexuality in order to be in keeping with the 'moral standards' of their peers in the public houses and night clubs, which are their to facilitate the uninhibited meeting of men and woman, in order to find a friend/girlfriend/bo

yfriend/wife/husband

, free choice? free will? in some cultures it is still seen as shameful to behave in such a way in order to facilitate the satisfaction of ones base needs, but where does that leave the 'western woman? When faced with fickle 'men' who would rather have a casual encounter merely to satisfy sexual needs, than to commit to a woman as real men used to do? Is this the 'equality' you refer to? Were woman are used and abused as the playthings of fickle men? And if the woman expresses her sexual desires is that equality when she has an equal amount of partners as a man? Or does she then become a whore or ****? No longer 'marriage material'? To be passed from one man to another is this the equality you wish for the woman of your family? All cultures suffer from some form of social weakness, and woman have always been subjugated by men the world over in one way or another, the deprivation of 'freedom' or the exploitation of their sexuality whilst being told they are 'free', in short woman have a hard time of it, so it's up to the men to become 'real men' and treat woman with true respect and equality in all cultures and societies, utopia my friend does not exist, start in your own home first.
Actually women did attend but separately,
[quote][p][bold]Whothis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: We are constantly told to believe in equality and diversity yet Islam treats women as inferior beings. Look at the photo from today? Not one single female was in that march.The women were no doubt stuck at home not allowed to attend. I am sick of lefties preaching equality yet seemingly having a blind spot when it comes to the teachings of Islam.[/p][/quote]Islam itself does not treat woman as 'inferior beings', people and culture does that, yes you quite rightly pointed out the fact that no females were in attendance, this is due to cultural influences not Islam itself, just like culture dictates that woman in the west should emphasise and exploit their sexuality in order to be in keeping with the 'moral standards' of their peers in the public houses and night clubs, which are their to facilitate the uninhibited meeting of men and woman, in order to find a friend/girlfriend/bo yfriend/wife/husband , free choice? free will? in some cultures it is still seen as shameful to behave in such a way in order to facilitate the satisfaction of ones base needs, but where does that leave the 'western woman? When faced with fickle 'men' who would rather have a casual encounter merely to satisfy sexual needs, than to commit to a woman as real men used to do? Is this the 'equality' you refer to? Were woman are used and abused as the playthings of fickle men? And if the woman expresses her sexual desires is that equality when she has an equal amount of partners as a man? Or does she then become a whore or ****? No longer 'marriage material'? To be passed from one man to another is this the equality you wish for the woman of your family? All cultures suffer from some form of social weakness, and woman have always been subjugated by men the world over in one way or another, the deprivation of 'freedom' or the exploitation of their sexuality whilst being told they are 'free', in short woman have a hard time of it, so it's up to the men to become 'real men' and treat woman with true respect and equality in all cultures and societies, utopia my friend does not exist, start in your own home first.[/p][/quote]Actually women did attend but separately, ussy7861
  • Score: -17

9:12am Mon 13 Jan 14

bolton12 says...

first point,whilst returning from a christening yesterday myself and 12 other white middle aged men were apprehended by gmp.....pnc checked aked for our intention,s for being in great lever ....informing the riot van we was going to the queen Elizabeth pub.only to e told by the police officer that he had een instructed to stop all group.s of white male.s in the area poppy **** we felt like a convict in our own town,,,,,secondly how much has all this cost us the tax payer of Bolton to have a whole area of roads closed down..traffic diverted...and the precense of police along the march....only two years our very own may day march consisting of a band and 15 to 20 guides and parent.s had to be cancelled on a quiet residential area because two police officer,s could not be spared for 45 mins unless we provided 800 pounds
first point,whilst returning from a christening yesterday myself and 12 other white middle aged men were apprehended by gmp.....pnc checked aked for our intention,s for being in great lever ....informing the riot van we was going to the queen Elizabeth pub.only to e told by the police officer that he had een instructed to stop all group.s of white male.s in the area poppy **** we felt like a convict in our own town,,,,,secondly how much has all this cost us the tax payer of Bolton to have a whole area of roads closed down..traffic diverted...and the precense of police along the march....only two years our very own may day march consisting of a band and 15 to 20 guides and parent.s had to be cancelled on a quiet residential area because two police officer,s could not be spared for 45 mins unless we provided 800 pounds bolton12
  • Score: 38

9:12am Mon 13 Jan 14

thomas222 says...

Whothis wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Reality50 wrote: We are constantly told to believe in equality and diversity yet Islam treats women as inferior beings. Look at the photo from today? Not one single female was in that march.The women were no doubt stuck at home not allowed to attend. I am sick of lefties preaching equality yet seemingly having a blind spot when it comes to the teachings of Islam.
Its a cult end of....
The 2nd largest and fasting growing 'cult' in the world after Christianity, in fact if it was as old as Christianity I'm pretty sure it would now be the largest 'cult' in the world....!!! I don't think it's going to need another 600 years to catch up to Christianity the amount of people entering into Islam are quite staggering, so maybe 60 years to catch up,, maybe less....some estimates say 40/50 years not very long really,, and coupled with the increasing decline in Christians (practising not dormant or name only) it could be even sooner...!!! Just think in less than 60 years the whole of Europe could become part of an Islamic Empire by default and through the natural process of demographics,, that's of course if we don't get dragged into a 'war of civilisations' in which case it could be a lot sooner....!! Quick fact for you Thomas222 the Christians are awaiting the arrival of Jesus,,,,the Muslims are awaiting the arrival of??......yes you got it Jesus,,,,and the Jews await their 'messiah' and if it's really what you are waiting for or longing for a 'clash of civilisations' just remember this, war is terrible and merciless no matter what you are or what you believe,,,,and it won't be confined to some distant land,,,it will be a tragedy for all mankind,, no matter where you are...
Written proof of his life is nil, where he preached and went is nil..... prove he was a real person. The name Mohhamed is first written 400 yrs after his supposed death. Its fact.
[quote][p][bold]Whothis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: We are constantly told to believe in equality and diversity yet Islam treats women as inferior beings. Look at the photo from today? Not one single female was in that march.The women were no doubt stuck at home not allowed to attend. I am sick of lefties preaching equality yet seemingly having a blind spot when it comes to the teachings of Islam.[/p][/quote]Its a cult end of....[/p][/quote]The 2nd largest and fasting growing 'cult' in the world after Christianity, in fact if it was as old as Christianity I'm pretty sure it would now be the largest 'cult' in the world....!!! I don't think it's going to need another 600 years to catch up to Christianity the amount of people entering into Islam are quite staggering, so maybe 60 years to catch up,, maybe less....some estimates say 40/50 years not very long really,, and coupled with the increasing decline in Christians (practising not dormant or name only) it could be even sooner...!!! Just think in less than 60 years the whole of Europe could become part of an Islamic Empire by default and through the natural process of demographics,, that's of course if we don't get dragged into a 'war of civilisations' in which case it could be a lot sooner....!! Quick fact for you Thomas222 the Christians are awaiting the arrival of Jesus,,,,the Muslims are awaiting the arrival of??......yes you got it Jesus,,,,and the Jews await their 'messiah' and if it's really what you are waiting for or longing for a 'clash of civilisations' just remember this, war is terrible and merciless no matter what you are or what you believe,,,,and it won't be confined to some distant land,,,it will be a tragedy for all mankind,, no matter where you are...[/p][/quote]Written proof of his life is nil, where he preached and went is nil..... prove he was a real person. The name Mohhamed is first written 400 yrs after his supposed death. Its fact. thomas222
  • Score: 0

9:19am Mon 13 Jan 14

thomas222 says...

Whothis wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Mr Hewitt wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran
The Quran is a Man made invention to control.
Dear Thomas222 You say in this comment that the Quran was 'man made' and in your previous comment you say the Prophet Never existed? So therefore by your logic how can a man who never existed make a 'man made' book? And just a little info for you this particular prophet is actually buried in the city of Madinah in Arabia,, so obviously did exist as their are actual remains. Please check your facts before making comments about things you seem to know very little about. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and points of view, but facts based in truth are important.
The book was written 400 years after his supposed death. There is no record of his birth, where he was born and where he preached. The name mohhamed was not mentioned untill this time also.... Jesus his life and times are recorded by roman and jewish writings..... Mohhamed nil..... fact... prove he lived is only the book man wrote to control.
[quote][p][bold]Whothis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Hewitt[/bold] wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran[/p][/quote]The Quran is a Man made invention to control.[/p][/quote]Dear Thomas222 You say in this comment that the Quran was 'man made' and in your previous comment you say the Prophet Never existed? So therefore by your logic how can a man who never existed make a 'man made' book? And just a little info for you this particular prophet is actually buried in the city of Madinah in Arabia,, so obviously did exist as their are actual remains. Please check your facts before making comments about things you seem to know very little about. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and points of view, but facts based in truth are important.[/p][/quote]The book was written 400 years after his supposed death. There is no record of his birth, where he was born and where he preached. The name mohhamed was not mentioned untill this time also.... Jesus his life and times are recorded by roman and jewish writings..... Mohhamed nil..... fact... prove he lived is only the book man wrote to control. thomas222
  • Score: 1

9:25am Mon 13 Jan 14

thomas222 says...

The bluetooth. wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Mr Hewitt wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran
The Quran is a Man made invention to control.
If u have read the translation u will hav gathered that it was not man made. It was revealed by Allah. Only the quran has not been changed or altered over the years. All the holy books hav inc bible. The quran is a manual in order for a muslim to lead his /her life. The ignorant will always be ignorant but one day very shortly the truth will **** out...so if your not for it then dont be against it.
Show me the written record of Mohammeds life and times by someone of his time?. Jesus is recorded start to finish by roman and jewish peoples among others. Mohammed has none..... the book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by men... prove he existed then ?
[quote][p][bold]The bluetooth.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Hewitt[/bold] wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran[/p][/quote]The Quran is a Man made invention to control.[/p][/quote]If u have read the translation u will hav gathered that it was not man made. It was revealed by Allah. Only the quran has not been changed or altered over the years. All the holy books hav inc bible. The quran is a manual in order for a muslim to lead his /her life. The ignorant will always be ignorant but one day very shortly the truth will **** out...so if your not for it then dont be against it.[/p][/quote]Show me the written record of Mohammeds life and times by someone of his time?. Jesus is recorded start to finish by roman and jewish peoples among others. Mohammed has none..... the book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by men... prove he existed then ? thomas222
  • Score: -2

10:05am Mon 13 Jan 14

Whothis says...

thomas222 wrote:
The bluetooth. wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Mr Hewitt wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran
The Quran is a Man made invention to control.
If u have read the translation u will hav gathered that it was not man made. It was revealed by Allah. Only the quran has not been changed or altered over the years. All the holy books hav inc bible. The quran is a manual in order for a muslim to lead his /her life. The ignorant will always be ignorant but one day very shortly the truth will **** out...so if your not for it then dont be against it.
Show me the written record of Mohammeds life and times by someone of his time?. Jesus is recorded start to finish by roman and jewish peoples among others. Mohammed has none..... the book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by men... prove he existed then ?
I think you will find a few 'original' copy's of the Quran recorded in the prophets lifetime and made into book form in order to preserve it shortly after his demise in fact still exist, one of which is available for public viewing and was retained by the Ottomans, if you would like to see this you will need to travel to Istanbul in Turkey where it is kept in the Topkapi Palace Museum along with the sword and mantle of the prophet,and various other items which belonged to him,their is also another copy original of which only one third survives In an area of old Tashkent known as Hast-Imam, and I believe their is a photocopy of the original text in Karachi too. And as previously stated the prophets earthly remains are buried in Madinah in Arabia where he passed away. And Thomas222 it is not for me or anyone else to tell you or anyone else what to believe, you have a brain a mind like everyone else you have a choice to read what you like, and you will understand what you will understand, I have told you where these original text are available to view, but it is your choice if you wish to view it or not, the same as everybody else, after all man was born with free will, your path is your choice.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The bluetooth.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Hewitt[/bold] wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran[/p][/quote]The Quran is a Man made invention to control.[/p][/quote]If u have read the translation u will hav gathered that it was not man made. It was revealed by Allah. Only the quran has not been changed or altered over the years. All the holy books hav inc bible. The quran is a manual in order for a muslim to lead his /her life. The ignorant will always be ignorant but one day very shortly the truth will **** out...so if your not for it then dont be against it.[/p][/quote]Show me the written record of Mohammeds life and times by someone of his time?. Jesus is recorded start to finish by roman and jewish peoples among others. Mohammed has none..... the book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by men... prove he existed then ?[/p][/quote]I think you will find a few 'original' copy's of the Quran recorded in the prophets lifetime and made into book form in order to preserve it shortly after his demise in fact still exist, one of which is available for public viewing and was retained by the Ottomans, if you would like to see this you will need to travel to Istanbul in Turkey where it is kept in the Topkapi Palace Museum along with the sword and mantle of the prophet,and various other items which belonged to him,their is also another copy original of which only one third survives In an area of old Tashkent known as Hast-Imam, and I believe their is a photocopy of the original text in Karachi too. And as previously stated the prophets earthly remains are buried in Madinah in Arabia where he passed away. And Thomas222 it is not for me or anyone else to tell you or anyone else what to believe, you have a brain a mind like everyone else you have a choice to read what you like, and you will understand what you will understand, I have told you where these original text are available to view, but it is your choice if you wish to view it or not, the same as everybody else, after all man was born with free will, your path is your choice. Whothis
  • Score: 5

10:28am Mon 13 Jan 14

Whothis says...

thomas222 wrote:
The bluetooth. wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Mr Hewitt wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran
The Quran is a Man made invention to control.
If u have read the translation u will hav gathered that it was not man made. It was revealed by Allah. Only the quran has not been changed or altered over the years. All the holy books hav inc bible. The quran is a manual in order for a muslim to lead his /her life. The ignorant will always be ignorant but one day very shortly the truth will **** out...so if your not for it then dont be against it.
Show me the written record of Mohammeds life and times by someone of his time?. Jesus is recorded start to finish by roman and jewish peoples among others. Mohammed has none..... the book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by men... prove he existed then ?
One could argue that even though the Gospels existed in various forms, recorded by various different people and then dissected at the Nicean council where it was 'decided' which parts of the Gospels ought to survive in order to prop up the hierarchy of the 'church' which had come into existence by then, are in fact no longer in the original text, or even the original language of Christ ,the original language being Aramaic which still survives in small areas of the Levant. So out of the 30 plus gospels that had sprung up and represented Christianity at the time, only a few were 'chosen' to represent what was to be viewed as 'Christianity' as decided by the Nicean council. The rest of the 'Gospels' were destroyed or disregarded from the Christianity that was known at the time, for reasons of political and religious power to control the people. As the Church became more powerful and wealthy to challenge the Church or it's representatives was to challenge God himself, and those that did were murdered, put in jail or excommunicated. So unfortunately not much 'free will' or choice going on in them days. But we live in 'enlightened' times do we not? So therefore you can choose to read the text of your own religion or any other religion and choose what you like, follow its precepts, have a good life and no doubt when you die you will discover the truth of it all then you'll have eternity to discuss it, or not, depending on your present views, the reality of what happens after we are dead is unfortunately only known to the dead, so take your chances! Take your pick, live long be happy.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The bluetooth.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Hewitt[/bold] wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran[/p][/quote]The Quran is a Man made invention to control.[/p][/quote]If u have read the translation u will hav gathered that it was not man made. It was revealed by Allah. Only the quran has not been changed or altered over the years. All the holy books hav inc bible. The quran is a manual in order for a muslim to lead his /her life. The ignorant will always be ignorant but one day very shortly the truth will **** out...so if your not for it then dont be against it.[/p][/quote]Show me the written record of Mohammeds life and times by someone of his time?. Jesus is recorded start to finish by roman and jewish peoples among others. Mohammed has none..... the book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by men... prove he existed then ?[/p][/quote]One could argue that even though the Gospels existed in various forms, recorded by various different people and then dissected at the Nicean council where it was 'decided' which parts of the Gospels ought to survive in order to prop up the hierarchy of the 'church' which had come into existence by then, are in fact no longer in the original text, or even the original language of Christ ,the original language being Aramaic which still survives in small areas of the Levant. So out of the 30 plus gospels that had sprung up and represented Christianity at the time, only a few were 'chosen' to represent what was to be viewed as 'Christianity' as decided by the Nicean council. The rest of the 'Gospels' were destroyed or disregarded from the Christianity that was known at the time, for reasons of political and religious power to control the people. As the Church became more powerful and wealthy to challenge the Church or it's representatives was to challenge God himself, and those that did were murdered, put in jail or excommunicated. So unfortunately not much 'free will' or choice going on in them days. But we live in 'enlightened' times do we not? So therefore you can choose to read the text of your own religion or any other religion and choose what you like, follow its precepts, have a good life and no doubt when you die you will discover the truth of it all then you'll have eternity to discuss it, or not, depending on your present views, the reality of what happens after we are dead is unfortunately only known to the dead, so take your chances! Take your pick, live long be happy. Whothis
  • Score: 4

11:22am Mon 13 Jan 14

Whothis says...

thomas222 wrote:
Whothis wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Mr Hewitt wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran
The Quran is a Man made invention to control.
Dear Thomas222 You say in this comment that the Quran was 'man made' and in your previous comment you say the Prophet Never existed? So therefore by your logic how can a man who never existed make a 'man made' book? And just a little info for you this particular prophet is actually buried in the city of Madinah in Arabia,, so obviously did exist as their are actual remains. Please check your facts before making comments about things you seem to know very little about. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and points of view, but facts based in truth are important.
The book was written 400 years after his supposed death. There is no record of his birth, where he was born and where he preached. The name mohhamed was not mentioned untill this time also.... Jesus his life and times are recorded by roman and jewish writings..... Mohhamed nil..... fact... prove he lived is only the book man wrote to control.
You are correct in saying their was no record of his exact birth date, but their is a record of his date of death, yesterday. Very few people in the Arabian peninsula or even in Europe or anywhere else fastidiously recorded the dates of birth of everybody, unless of course you were a noble or wealthy family, so it is of no actual consequence and is in line with pretty much all of the prophets of the monotheistic faiths, including Jesus...who by the way wasn't born on 25th of December.....their is no record of his birthday either, in fact their is no earthly remains, no place of burial, no original Aramaic bible to tell us or to 'prove' to us of his existence, just contradictory versions of multiple gospels as not seen or properly recorded by anyone. And yet....billions of people believe Jesus existed, and billions believe he will return and that ironically includes every single person who claims to be a Muslim. Part of the creed of Islam is to believe and accept ALL previous texts (Old Testament, New Testament. And the Pslams of David) as revealed to the prophets also named in the Quran as true but never the less altered or corrupted by man, indeed the Quran's claim is it came as a 'confirmation' of all these previous books of God and attests to the truth contained within them at the time of revelation, but unfortunately corrupted by man. And as the Christians and Muslims are waiting for the 'second coming of Christ' surely it will be for him to judge between you and to guide the lost souls back to the faith? But of course like the people of old everyone will still have the same choice as the first time he came,, to believe or not to believe, is yours and everybody else's choice, free will.....use it wisely.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whothis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Hewitt[/bold] wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran[/p][/quote]The Quran is a Man made invention to control.[/p][/quote]Dear Thomas222 You say in this comment that the Quran was 'man made' and in your previous comment you say the Prophet Never existed? So therefore by your logic how can a man who never existed make a 'man made' book? And just a little info for you this particular prophet is actually buried in the city of Madinah in Arabia,, so obviously did exist as their are actual remains. Please check your facts before making comments about things you seem to know very little about. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and points of view, but facts based in truth are important.[/p][/quote]The book was written 400 years after his supposed death. There is no record of his birth, where he was born and where he preached. The name mohhamed was not mentioned untill this time also.... Jesus his life and times are recorded by roman and jewish writings..... Mohhamed nil..... fact... prove he lived is only the book man wrote to control.[/p][/quote]You are correct in saying their was no record of his exact birth date, but their is a record of his date of death, yesterday. Very few people in the Arabian peninsula or even in Europe or anywhere else fastidiously recorded the dates of birth of everybody, unless of course you were a noble or wealthy family, so it is of no actual consequence and is in line with pretty much all of the prophets of the monotheistic faiths, including Jesus...who by the way wasn't born on 25th of December.....their is no record of his birthday either, in fact their is no earthly remains, no place of burial, no original Aramaic bible to tell us or to 'prove' to us of his existence, just contradictory versions of multiple gospels as not seen or properly recorded by anyone. And yet....billions of people believe Jesus existed, and billions believe he will return and that ironically includes every single person who claims to be a Muslim. Part of the creed of Islam is to believe and accept ALL previous texts (Old Testament, New Testament. And the Pslams of David) as revealed to the prophets also named in the Quran as true but never the less altered or corrupted by man, indeed the Quran's claim is it came as a 'confirmation' of all these previous books of God and attests to the truth contained within them at the time of revelation, but unfortunately corrupted by man. And as the Christians and Muslims are waiting for the 'second coming of Christ' surely it will be for him to judge between you and to guide the lost souls back to the faith? But of course like the people of old everyone will still have the same choice as the first time he came,, to believe or not to believe, is yours and everybody else's choice, free will.....use it wisely. Whothis
  • Score: 8

11:34am Mon 13 Jan 14

thomas222 says...

Whothis wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The bluetooth. wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Mr Hewitt wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran
The Quran is a Man made invention to control.
If u have read the translation u will hav gathered that it was not man made. It was revealed by Allah. Only the quran has not been changed or altered over the years. All the holy books hav inc bible. The quran is a manual in order for a muslim to lead his /her life. The ignorant will always be ignorant but one day very shortly the truth will **** out...so if your not for it then dont be against it.
Show me the written record of Mohammeds life and times by someone of his time?. Jesus is recorded start to finish by roman and jewish peoples among others. Mohammed has none..... the book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by men... prove he existed then ?
I think you will find a few 'original' copy's of the Quran recorded in the prophets lifetime and made into book form in order to preserve it shortly after his demise in fact still exist, one of which is available for public viewing and was retained by the Ottomans, if you would like to see this you will need to travel to Istanbul in Turkey where it is kept in the Topkapi Palace Museum along with the sword and mantle of the prophet,and various other items which belonged to him,their is also another copy original of which only one third survives In an area of old Tashkent known as Hast-Imam, and I believe their is a photocopy of the original text in Karachi too. And as previously stated the prophets earthly remains are buried in Madinah in Arabia where he passed away. And Thomas222 it is not for me or anyone else to tell you or anyone else what to believe, you have a brain a mind like everyone else you have a choice to read what you like, and you will understand what you will understand, I have told you where these original text are available to view, but it is your choice if you wish to view it or not, the same as everybody else, after all man was born with free will, your path is your choice.
You think is not proof..... where are the written records written by other people recording his lifetime... there is none and never has been. The book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by Man.
[quote][p][bold]Whothis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The bluetooth.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Hewitt[/bold] wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran[/p][/quote]The Quran is a Man made invention to control.[/p][/quote]If u have read the translation u will hav gathered that it was not man made. It was revealed by Allah. Only the quran has not been changed or altered over the years. All the holy books hav inc bible. The quran is a manual in order for a muslim to lead his /her life. The ignorant will always be ignorant but one day very shortly the truth will **** out...so if your not for it then dont be against it.[/p][/quote]Show me the written record of Mohammeds life and times by someone of his time?. Jesus is recorded start to finish by roman and jewish peoples among others. Mohammed has none..... the book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by men... prove he existed then ?[/p][/quote]I think you will find a few 'original' copy's of the Quran recorded in the prophets lifetime and made into book form in order to preserve it shortly after his demise in fact still exist, one of which is available for public viewing and was retained by the Ottomans, if you would like to see this you will need to travel to Istanbul in Turkey where it is kept in the Topkapi Palace Museum along with the sword and mantle of the prophet,and various other items which belonged to him,their is also another copy original of which only one third survives In an area of old Tashkent known as Hast-Imam, and I believe their is a photocopy of the original text in Karachi too. And as previously stated the prophets earthly remains are buried in Madinah in Arabia where he passed away. And Thomas222 it is not for me or anyone else to tell you or anyone else what to believe, you have a brain a mind like everyone else you have a choice to read what you like, and you will understand what you will understand, I have told you where these original text are available to view, but it is your choice if you wish to view it or not, the same as everybody else, after all man was born with free will, your path is your choice.[/p][/quote]You think is not proof..... where are the written records written by other people recording his lifetime... there is none and never has been. The book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by Man. thomas222
  • Score: -5

11:36am Mon 13 Jan 14

thomas222 says...

Whothis wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The bluetooth. wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Mr Hewitt wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran
The Quran is a Man made invention to control.
If u have read the translation u will hav gathered that it was not man made. It was revealed by Allah. Only the quran has not been changed or altered over the years. All the holy books hav inc bible. The quran is a manual in order for a muslim to lead his /her life. The ignorant will always be ignorant but one day very shortly the truth will **** out...so if your not for it then dont be against it.
Show me the written record of Mohammeds life and times by someone of his time?. Jesus is recorded start to finish by roman and jewish peoples among others. Mohammed has none..... the book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by men... prove he existed then ?
One could argue that even though the Gospels existed in various forms, recorded by various different people and then dissected at the Nicean council where it was 'decided' which parts of the Gospels ought to survive in order to prop up the hierarchy of the 'church' which had come into existence by then, are in fact no longer in the original text, or even the original language of Christ ,the original language being Aramaic which still survives in small areas of the Levant. So out of the 30 plus gospels that had sprung up and represented Christianity at the time, only a few were 'chosen' to represent what was to be viewed as 'Christianity' as decided by the Nicean council. The rest of the 'Gospels' were destroyed or disregarded from the Christianity that was known at the time, for reasons of political and religious power to control the people. As the Church became more powerful and wealthy to challenge the Church or it's representatives was to challenge God himself, and those that did were murdered, put in jail or excommunicated. So unfortunately not much 'free will' or choice going on in them days. But we live in 'enlightened' times do we not? So therefore you can choose to read the text of your own religion or any other religion and choose what you like, follow its precepts, have a good life and no doubt when you die you will discover the truth of it all then you'll have eternity to discuss it, or not, depending on your present views, the reality of what happens after we are dead is unfortunately only known to the dead, so take your chances! Take your pick, live long be happy.
Where is the written proof you avoided the question.
[quote][p][bold]Whothis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The bluetooth.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Hewitt[/bold] wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran[/p][/quote]The Quran is a Man made invention to control.[/p][/quote]If u have read the translation u will hav gathered that it was not man made. It was revealed by Allah. Only the quran has not been changed or altered over the years. All the holy books hav inc bible. The quran is a manual in order for a muslim to lead his /her life. The ignorant will always be ignorant but one day very shortly the truth will **** out...so if your not for it then dont be against it.[/p][/quote]Show me the written record of Mohammeds life and times by someone of his time?. Jesus is recorded start to finish by roman and jewish peoples among others. Mohammed has none..... the book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by men... prove he existed then ?[/p][/quote]One could argue that even though the Gospels existed in various forms, recorded by various different people and then dissected at the Nicean council where it was 'decided' which parts of the Gospels ought to survive in order to prop up the hierarchy of the 'church' which had come into existence by then, are in fact no longer in the original text, or even the original language of Christ ,the original language being Aramaic which still survives in small areas of the Levant. So out of the 30 plus gospels that had sprung up and represented Christianity at the time, only a few were 'chosen' to represent what was to be viewed as 'Christianity' as decided by the Nicean council. The rest of the 'Gospels' were destroyed or disregarded from the Christianity that was known at the time, for reasons of political and religious power to control the people. As the Church became more powerful and wealthy to challenge the Church or it's representatives was to challenge God himself, and those that did were murdered, put in jail or excommunicated. So unfortunately not much 'free will' or choice going on in them days. But we live in 'enlightened' times do we not? So therefore you can choose to read the text of your own religion or any other religion and choose what you like, follow its precepts, have a good life and no doubt when you die you will discover the truth of it all then you'll have eternity to discuss it, or not, depending on your present views, the reality of what happens after we are dead is unfortunately only known to the dead, so take your chances! Take your pick, live long be happy.[/p][/quote]Where is the written proof you avoided the question. thomas222
  • Score: -3

11:39am Mon 13 Jan 14

thomas222 says...

Whothis wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Whothis wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Mr Hewitt wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran
The Quran is a Man made invention to control.
Dear Thomas222 You say in this comment that the Quran was 'man made' and in your previous comment you say the Prophet Never existed? So therefore by your logic how can a man who never existed make a 'man made' book? And just a little info for you this particular prophet is actually buried in the city of Madinah in Arabia,, so obviously did exist as their are actual remains. Please check your facts before making comments about things you seem to know very little about. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and points of view, but facts based in truth are important.
The book was written 400 years after his supposed death. There is no record of his birth, where he was born and where he preached. The name mohhamed was not mentioned untill this time also.... Jesus his life and times are recorded by roman and jewish writings..... Mohhamed nil..... fact... prove he lived is only the book man wrote to control.
You are correct in saying their was no record of his exact birth date, but their is a record of his date of death, yesterday. Very few people in the Arabian peninsula or even in Europe or anywhere else fastidiously recorded the dates of birth of everybody, unless of course you were a noble or wealthy family, so it is of no actual consequence and is in line with pretty much all of the prophets of the monotheistic faiths, including Jesus...who by the way wasn't born on 25th of December.....their is no record of his birthday either, in fact their is no earthly remains, no place of burial, no original Aramaic bible to tell us or to 'prove' to us of his existence, just contradictory versions of multiple gospels as not seen or properly recorded by anyone. And yet....billions of people believe Jesus existed, and billions believe he will return and that ironically includes every single person who claims to be a Muslim. Part of the creed of Islam is to believe and accept ALL previous texts (Old Testament, New Testament. And the Pslams of David) as revealed to the prophets also named in the Quran as true but never the less altered or corrupted by man, indeed the Quran's claim is it came as a 'confirmation' of all these previous books of God and attests to the truth contained within them at the time of revelation, but unfortunately corrupted by man. And as the Christians and Muslims are waiting for the 'second coming of Christ' surely it will be for him to judge between you and to guide the lost souls back to the faith? But of course like the people of old everyone will still have the same choice as the first time he came,, to believe or not to believe, is yours and everybody else's choice, free will.....use it wisely.
Yes they did the area had scribes before anyone else...... the written word originated in this region.
[quote][p][bold]Whothis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whothis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Hewitt[/bold] wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran[/p][/quote]The Quran is a Man made invention to control.[/p][/quote]Dear Thomas222 You say in this comment that the Quran was 'man made' and in your previous comment you say the Prophet Never existed? So therefore by your logic how can a man who never existed make a 'man made' book? And just a little info for you this particular prophet is actually buried in the city of Madinah in Arabia,, so obviously did exist as their are actual remains. Please check your facts before making comments about things you seem to know very little about. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and points of view, but facts based in truth are important.[/p][/quote]The book was written 400 years after his supposed death. There is no record of his birth, where he was born and where he preached. The name mohhamed was not mentioned untill this time also.... Jesus his life and times are recorded by roman and jewish writings..... Mohhamed nil..... fact... prove he lived is only the book man wrote to control.[/p][/quote]You are correct in saying their was no record of his exact birth date, but their is a record of his date of death, yesterday. Very few people in the Arabian peninsula or even in Europe or anywhere else fastidiously recorded the dates of birth of everybody, unless of course you were a noble or wealthy family, so it is of no actual consequence and is in line with pretty much all of the prophets of the monotheistic faiths, including Jesus...who by the way wasn't born on 25th of December.....their is no record of his birthday either, in fact their is no earthly remains, no place of burial, no original Aramaic bible to tell us or to 'prove' to us of his existence, just contradictory versions of multiple gospels as not seen or properly recorded by anyone. And yet....billions of people believe Jesus existed, and billions believe he will return and that ironically includes every single person who claims to be a Muslim. Part of the creed of Islam is to believe and accept ALL previous texts (Old Testament, New Testament. And the Pslams of David) as revealed to the prophets also named in the Quran as true but never the less altered or corrupted by man, indeed the Quran's claim is it came as a 'confirmation' of all these previous books of God and attests to the truth contained within them at the time of revelation, but unfortunately corrupted by man. And as the Christians and Muslims are waiting for the 'second coming of Christ' surely it will be for him to judge between you and to guide the lost souls back to the faith? But of course like the people of old everyone will still have the same choice as the first time he came,, to believe or not to believe, is yours and everybody else's choice, free will.....use it wisely.[/p][/quote]Yes they did the area had scribes before anyone else...... the written word originated in this region. thomas222
  • Score: -2

12:10pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Whothis says...

thomas222 wrote:
Whothis wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The bluetooth. wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Mr Hewitt wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran
The Quran is a Man made invention to control.
If u have read the translation u will hav gathered that it was not man made. It was revealed by Allah. Only the quran has not been changed or altered over the years. All the holy books hav inc bible. The quran is a manual in order for a muslim to lead his /her life. The ignorant will always be ignorant but one day very shortly the truth will **** out...so if your not for it then dont be against it.
Show me the written record of Mohammeds life and times by someone of his time?. Jesus is recorded start to finish by roman and jewish peoples among others. Mohammed has none..... the book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by men... prove he existed then ?
I think you will find a few 'original' copy's of the Quran recorded in the prophets lifetime and made into book form in order to preserve it shortly after his demise in fact still exist, one of which is available for public viewing and was retained by the Ottomans, if you would like to see this you will need to travel to Istanbul in Turkey where it is kept in the Topkapi Palace Museum along with the sword and mantle of the prophet,and various other items which belonged to him,their is also another copy original of which only one third survives In an area of old Tashkent known as Hast-Imam, and I believe their is a photocopy of the original text in Karachi too. And as previously stated the prophets earthly remains are buried in Madinah in Arabia where he passed away. And Thomas222 it is not for me or anyone else to tell you or anyone else what to believe, you have a brain a mind like everyone else you have a choice to read what you like, and you will understand what you will understand, I have told you where these original text are available to view, but it is your choice if you wish to view it or not, the same as everybody else, after all man was born with free will, your path is your choice.
You think is not proof..... where are the written records written by other people recording his lifetime... there is none and never has been. The book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by Man.
'I think you will find' is a statement Thomas222, not a doubt, the evidence is exactly where I have told you it is, and does exist and can be seen by anyone. As for proof or evidence of the existence of the prophet are his belongings, the clothes he wore, his armour, his sword, his earthly remains.
Or is it scholastic evidence you are asking for ? I would suggest to you the Quran itself is quite an in depth record, the people of the times who recorded his sayings, attested to his life and existence, their is a chain of reference which has been passed on from the time of his existence and can be traced back through the generations. I do not need to try and convince you Or anyone else of his existence Thomas222, the evidence is there if proof is what you require then please go look at it, it's been around for a long time and is still viewable. What you should understand is what you wish to believe is up to you, no-one is suggesting you have to believe anything of what I say, you asked for evidence, the evidence is there, go take a peek.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whothis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The bluetooth.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Hewitt[/bold] wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran[/p][/quote]The Quran is a Man made invention to control.[/p][/quote]If u have read the translation u will hav gathered that it was not man made. It was revealed by Allah. Only the quran has not been changed or altered over the years. All the holy books hav inc bible. The quran is a manual in order for a muslim to lead his /her life. The ignorant will always be ignorant but one day very shortly the truth will **** out...so if your not for it then dont be against it.[/p][/quote]Show me the written record of Mohammeds life and times by someone of his time?. Jesus is recorded start to finish by roman and jewish peoples among others. Mohammed has none..... the book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by men... prove he existed then ?[/p][/quote]I think you will find a few 'original' copy's of the Quran recorded in the prophets lifetime and made into book form in order to preserve it shortly after his demise in fact still exist, one of which is available for public viewing and was retained by the Ottomans, if you would like to see this you will need to travel to Istanbul in Turkey where it is kept in the Topkapi Palace Museum along with the sword and mantle of the prophet,and various other items which belonged to him,their is also another copy original of which only one third survives In an area of old Tashkent known as Hast-Imam, and I believe their is a photocopy of the original text in Karachi too. And as previously stated the prophets earthly remains are buried in Madinah in Arabia where he passed away. And Thomas222 it is not for me or anyone else to tell you or anyone else what to believe, you have a brain a mind like everyone else you have a choice to read what you like, and you will understand what you will understand, I have told you where these original text are available to view, but it is your choice if you wish to view it or not, the same as everybody else, after all man was born with free will, your path is your choice.[/p][/quote]You think is not proof..... where are the written records written by other people recording his lifetime... there is none and never has been. The book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by Man.[/p][/quote]'I think you will find' is a statement Thomas222, not a doubt, the evidence is exactly where I have told you it is, and does exist and can be seen by anyone. As for proof or evidence of the existence of the prophet are his belongings, the clothes he wore, his armour, his sword, his earthly remains. Or is it scholastic evidence you are asking for ? I would suggest to you the Quran itself is quite an in depth record, the people of the times who recorded his sayings, attested to his life and existence, their is a chain of reference which has been passed on from the time of his existence and can be traced back through the generations. I do not need to try and convince you Or anyone else of his existence Thomas222, the evidence is there if proof is what you require then please go look at it, it's been around for a long time and is still viewable. What you should understand is what you wish to believe is up to you, no-one is suggesting you have to believe anything of what I say, you asked for evidence, the evidence is there, go take a peek. Whothis
  • Score: 8

12:24pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Whothis says...

thomas222 wrote:
Whothis wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The bluetooth. wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Mr Hewitt wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran
The Quran is a Man made invention to control.
If u have read the translation u will hav gathered that it was not man made. It was revealed by Allah. Only the quran has not been changed or altered over the years. All the holy books hav inc bible. The quran is a manual in order for a muslim to lead his /her life. The ignorant will always be ignorant but one day very shortly the truth will **** out...so if your not for it then dont be against it.
Show me the written record of Mohammeds life and times by someone of his time?. Jesus is recorded start to finish by roman and jewish peoples among others. Mohammed has none..... the book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by men... prove he existed then ?
I think you will find a few 'original' copy's of the Quran recorded in the prophets lifetime and made into book form in order to preserve it shortly after his demise in fact still exist, one of which is available for public viewing and was retained by the Ottomans, if you would like to see this you will need to travel to Istanbul in Turkey where it is kept in the Topkapi Palace Museum along with the sword and mantle of the prophet,and various other items which belonged to him,their is also another copy original of which only one third survives In an area of old Tashkent known as Hast-Imam, and I believe their is a photocopy of the original text in Karachi too. And as previously stated the prophets earthly remains are buried in Madinah in Arabia where he passed away. And Thomas222 it is not for me or anyone else to tell you or anyone else what to believe, you have a brain a mind like everyone else you have a choice to read what you like, and you will understand what you will understand, I have told you where these original text are available to view, but it is your choice if you wish to view it or not, the same as everybody else, after all man was born with free will, your path is your choice.
You think is not proof..... where are the written records written by other people recording his lifetime... there is none and never has been. The book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by Man.
Which book was written 400 years after? Is it the Quran you are referring to?
As stated previously it was recorded in his lifetime and put into book form after his death in order to preserve it, original copy available to view Topkapi palace in Istanbul, Turkey open to the public.
The sayings of the prophet and how he lived where indeed collected at the time, but again not collected into book form until after his demise,
Obviously Thomas222 if the content of the sayings or the content of the Quran are of no interest to you, as in the message being conveyed and what wisdoms are contained therein and your only concern is to assert the prophet of Islam did not exist and the Quran is man made, then C'est la vie.
I wish you well on your journey of discovery, may you be content with what you find, and good luck.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whothis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The bluetooth.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Hewitt[/bold] wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran[/p][/quote]The Quran is a Man made invention to control.[/p][/quote]If u have read the translation u will hav gathered that it was not man made. It was revealed by Allah. Only the quran has not been changed or altered over the years. All the holy books hav inc bible. The quran is a manual in order for a muslim to lead his /her life. The ignorant will always be ignorant but one day very shortly the truth will **** out...so if your not for it then dont be against it.[/p][/quote]Show me the written record of Mohammeds life and times by someone of his time?. Jesus is recorded start to finish by roman and jewish peoples among others. Mohammed has none..... the book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by men... prove he existed then ?[/p][/quote]I think you will find a few 'original' copy's of the Quran recorded in the prophets lifetime and made into book form in order to preserve it shortly after his demise in fact still exist, one of which is available for public viewing and was retained by the Ottomans, if you would like to see this you will need to travel to Istanbul in Turkey where it is kept in the Topkapi Palace Museum along with the sword and mantle of the prophet,and various other items which belonged to him,their is also another copy original of which only one third survives In an area of old Tashkent known as Hast-Imam, and I believe their is a photocopy of the original text in Karachi too. And as previously stated the prophets earthly remains are buried in Madinah in Arabia where he passed away. And Thomas222 it is not for me or anyone else to tell you or anyone else what to believe, you have a brain a mind like everyone else you have a choice to read what you like, and you will understand what you will understand, I have told you where these original text are available to view, but it is your choice if you wish to view it or not, the same as everybody else, after all man was born with free will, your path is your choice.[/p][/quote]You think is not proof..... where are the written records written by other people recording his lifetime... there is none and never has been. The book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by Man.[/p][/quote]Which book was written 400 years after? Is it the Quran you are referring to? As stated previously it was recorded in his lifetime and put into book form after his death in order to preserve it, original copy available to view Topkapi palace in Istanbul, Turkey open to the public. The sayings of the prophet and how he lived where indeed collected at the time, but again not collected into book form until after his demise, Obviously Thomas222 if the content of the sayings or the content of the Quran are of no interest to you, as in the message being conveyed and what wisdoms are contained therein and your only concern is to assert the prophet of Islam did not exist and the Quran is man made, then C'est la vie. I wish you well on your journey of discovery, may you be content with what you find, and good luck. Whothis
  • Score: 5

12:39pm Mon 13 Jan 14

waterbottle says...

Rabia Awwal Mubaarak! It is the third month of the Hijri Calendar which in many Muslims celebrate the birthday of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) believing it to have occurred on the 12th of this month. However, the truth is that his actual date of birth is unknown just as the date of birth of Prophet Jesus (pbuh) is unknown. Furthermore, its celebration is an innovation in Islamic worship as it was not instructed by the Prophet (pbuh) nor was it done by his companions. Even the celebration of birthdays in general is not permissible because of its pagan roots. As a result even the early Christians did not celebrate Christ’s birth because they considered the celebration of anyone’s birth to be a pagan custom.





So instead, let us apply the lessons learned from the life of the Prophet (pbuh) and increase our efforts to spread the true religion of God in this month, while keeping alive the Ramadaan lesson of making fasting truly a way of life by also fasting Mondays and Thursdays of every week, and the 13th, 14th & 15th – according to the recommendations of the Prophet (pbuh). It is worth noting that when the Prophet (pbuh) was asked why he fasted Mondays, he replied that it was the day on which he was born!!! So, for those bent on commemorating the Prophet’s birth, let them do as he did and FAST EVERY MONDAY!!!
Rabia Awwal Mubaarak! It is the third month of the Hijri Calendar which in many Muslims celebrate the birthday of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) believing it to have occurred on the 12th of this month. However, the truth is that his actual date of birth is unknown just as the date of birth of Prophet Jesus (pbuh) is unknown. Furthermore, its celebration is an innovation in Islamic worship as it was not instructed by the Prophet (pbuh) nor was it done by his companions. Even the celebration of birthdays in general is not permissible because of its pagan roots. As a result even the early Christians did not celebrate Christ’s birth because they considered the celebration of anyone’s birth to be a pagan custom. So instead, let us apply the lessons learned from the life of the Prophet (pbuh) and increase our efforts to spread the true religion of God in this month, while keeping alive the Ramadaan lesson of making fasting truly a way of life by also fasting Mondays and Thursdays of every week, and the 13th, 14th & 15th – according to the recommendations of the Prophet (pbuh). It is worth noting that when the Prophet (pbuh) was asked why he fasted Mondays, he replied that it was the day on which he was born!!! So, for those bent on commemorating the Prophet’s birth, let them do as he did and FAST EVERY MONDAY!!! waterbottle
  • Score: 0

12:58pm Mon 13 Jan 14

cliff4treasurer says...

"Whothis" could have a conversation in an empty room I think.

Which facts is that proves the bones buried are those of Allah?
He never existed just as Jesus (one and the same?) never existed and like the bible was written by a mere mortal.
If Muslims where not Muslims and Islam didn't exist are you saying women would be treated as equals as you argue that it's the "culture" that treats women as inferior so how come it's only Muslim women who are stoned to death for being raped/having an affair? etc etc.
The "evidence" of his existence is no more than the so called evidence that god or Jesus existed hence the catch all "he who believes without seeing" rubbish.
"the cloths he wore,his armour,his sword (why did he need a sword?) what sort of "proof " is that or in fact anything else you rabbit on about? All could have been worn and owned by anybody. "go take a peek" what a clown.

I have no doubt there will be a war in Europe in the next 50 /60 years and it will be between the Christians and the Muslims and the politicians are going to be running for cover shouting it wasn't my fault!
"Whothis" could have a conversation in an empty room I think. Which facts is that proves the bones buried are those of Allah? He never existed just as Jesus (one and the same?) never existed and like the bible was written by a mere mortal. If Muslims where not Muslims and Islam didn't exist are you saying women would be treated as equals as you argue that it's the "culture" that treats women as inferior so how come it's only Muslim women who are stoned to death for being raped/having an affair? etc etc. The "evidence" of his existence is no more than the so called evidence that god or Jesus existed hence the catch all "he who believes without seeing" rubbish. "the cloths he wore,his armour,his sword (why did he need a sword?) what sort of "proof " is that or in fact anything else you rabbit on about? All could have been worn and owned by anybody. "go take a peek" what a clown. I have no doubt there will be a war in Europe in the next 50 /60 years and it will be between the Christians and the Muslims and the politicians are going to be running for cover shouting it wasn't my fault! cliff4treasurer
  • Score: 3

1:05pm Mon 13 Jan 14

thomas222 says...

Whothis wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Whothis wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The bluetooth. wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Mr Hewitt wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran
The Quran is a Man made invention to control.
If u have read the translation u will hav gathered that it was not man made. It was revealed by Allah. Only the quran has not been changed or altered over the years. All the holy books hav inc bible. The quran is a manual in order for a muslim to lead his /her life. The ignorant will always be ignorant but one day very shortly the truth will **** out...so if your not for it then dont be against it.
Show me the written record of Mohammeds life and times by someone of his time?. Jesus is recorded start to finish by roman and jewish peoples among others. Mohammed has none..... the book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by men... prove he existed then ?
I think you will find a few 'original' copy's of the Quran recorded in the prophets lifetime and made into book form in order to preserve it shortly after his demise in fact still exist, one of which is available for public viewing and was retained by the Ottomans, if you would like to see this you will need to travel to Istanbul in Turkey where it is kept in the Topkapi Palace Museum along with the sword and mantle of the prophet,and various other items which belonged to him,their is also another copy original of which only one third survives In an area of old Tashkent known as Hast-Imam, and I believe their is a photocopy of the original text in Karachi too. And as previously stated the prophets earthly remains are buried in Madinah in Arabia where he passed away. And Thomas222 it is not for me or anyone else to tell you or anyone else what to believe, you have a brain a mind like everyone else you have a choice to read what you like, and you will understand what you will understand, I have told you where these original text are available to view, but it is your choice if you wish to view it or not, the same as everybody else, after all man was born with free will, your path is your choice.
You think is not proof..... where are the written records written by other people recording his lifetime... there is none and never has been. The book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by Man.
'I think you will find' is a statement Thomas222, not a doubt, the evidence is exactly where I have told you it is, and does exist and can be seen by anyone. As for proof or evidence of the existence of the prophet are his belongings, the clothes he wore, his armour, his sword, his earthly remains. Or is it scholastic evidence you are asking for ? I would suggest to you the Quran itself is quite an in depth record, the people of the times who recorded his sayings, attested to his life and existence, their is a chain of reference which has been passed on from the time of his existence and can be traced back through the generations. I do not need to try and convince you Or anyone else of his existence Thomas222, the evidence is there if proof is what you require then please go look at it, it's been around for a long time and is still viewable. What you should understand is what you wish to believe is up to you, no-one is suggesting you have to believe anything of what I say, you asked for evidence, the evidence is there, go take a peek.
The books you mention were written apx 400 yrs after his supposed death. Fact!
[quote][p][bold]Whothis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whothis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The bluetooth.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Hewitt[/bold] wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran[/p][/quote]The Quran is a Man made invention to control.[/p][/quote]If u have read the translation u will hav gathered that it was not man made. It was revealed by Allah. Only the quran has not been changed or altered over the years. All the holy books hav inc bible. The quran is a manual in order for a muslim to lead his /her life. The ignorant will always be ignorant but one day very shortly the truth will **** out...so if your not for it then dont be against it.[/p][/quote]Show me the written record of Mohammeds life and times by someone of his time?. Jesus is recorded start to finish by roman and jewish peoples among others. Mohammed has none..... the book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by men... prove he existed then ?[/p][/quote]I think you will find a few 'original' copy's of the Quran recorded in the prophets lifetime and made into book form in order to preserve it shortly after his demise in fact still exist, one of which is available for public viewing and was retained by the Ottomans, if you would like to see this you will need to travel to Istanbul in Turkey where it is kept in the Topkapi Palace Museum along with the sword and mantle of the prophet,and various other items which belonged to him,their is also another copy original of which only one third survives In an area of old Tashkent known as Hast-Imam, and I believe their is a photocopy of the original text in Karachi too. And as previously stated the prophets earthly remains are buried in Madinah in Arabia where he passed away. And Thomas222 it is not for me or anyone else to tell you or anyone else what to believe, you have a brain a mind like everyone else you have a choice to read what you like, and you will understand what you will understand, I have told you where these original text are available to view, but it is your choice if you wish to view it or not, the same as everybody else, after all man was born with free will, your path is your choice.[/p][/quote]You think is not proof..... where are the written records written by other people recording his lifetime... there is none and never has been. The book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by Man.[/p][/quote]'I think you will find' is a statement Thomas222, not a doubt, the evidence is exactly where I have told you it is, and does exist and can be seen by anyone. As for proof or evidence of the existence of the prophet are his belongings, the clothes he wore, his armour, his sword, his earthly remains. Or is it scholastic evidence you are asking for ? I would suggest to you the Quran itself is quite an in depth record, the people of the times who recorded his sayings, attested to his life and existence, their is a chain of reference which has been passed on from the time of his existence and can be traced back through the generations. I do not need to try and convince you Or anyone else of his existence Thomas222, the evidence is there if proof is what you require then please go look at it, it's been around for a long time and is still viewable. What you should understand is what you wish to believe is up to you, no-one is suggesting you have to believe anything of what I say, you asked for evidence, the evidence is there, go take a peek.[/p][/quote]The books you mention were written apx 400 yrs after his supposed death. Fact! thomas222
  • Score: -2

1:09pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Whothis says...

thomas222 wrote:
Whothis wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Whothis wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Mr Hewitt wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran
The Quran is a Man made invention to control.
Dear Thomas222 You say in this comment that the Quran was 'man made' and in your previous comment you say the Prophet Never existed? So therefore by your logic how can a man who never existed make a 'man made' book? And just a little info for you this particular prophet is actually buried in the city of Madinah in Arabia,, so obviously did exist as their are actual remains. Please check your facts before making comments about things you seem to know very little about. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and points of view, but facts based in truth are important.
The book was written 400 years after his supposed death. There is no record of his birth, where he was born and where he preached. The name mohhamed was not mentioned untill this time also.... Jesus his life and times are recorded by roman and jewish writings..... Mohhamed nil..... fact... prove he lived is only the book man wrote to control.
You are correct in saying their was no record of his exact birth date, but their is a record of his date of death, yesterday. Very few people in the Arabian peninsula or even in Europe or anywhere else fastidiously recorded the dates of birth of everybody, unless of course you were a noble or wealthy family, so it is of no actual consequence and is in line with pretty much all of the prophets of the monotheistic faiths, including Jesus...who by the way wasn't born on 25th of December.....their is no record of his birthday either, in fact their is no earthly remains, no place of burial, no original Aramaic bible to tell us or to 'prove' to us of his existence, just contradictory versions of multiple gospels as not seen or properly recorded by anyone. And yet....billions of people believe Jesus existed, and billions believe he will return and that ironically includes every single person who claims to be a Muslim. Part of the creed of Islam is to believe and accept ALL previous texts (Old Testament, New Testament. And the Pslams of David) as revealed to the prophets also named in the Quran as true but never the less altered or corrupted by man, indeed the Quran's claim is it came as a 'confirmation' of all these previous books of God and attests to the truth contained within them at the time of revelation, but unfortunately corrupted by man. And as the Christians and Muslims are waiting for the 'second coming of Christ' surely it will be for him to judge between you and to guide the lost souls back to the faith? But of course like the people of old everyone will still have the same choice as the first time he came,, to believe or not to believe, is yours and everybody else's choice, free will.....use it wisely.
Yes they did the area had scribes before anyone else...... the written word originated in this region.
As I said unless you were from a notable or wealthy or royal family the statutory recording of ordinary citizens dates of birth was not the practise in the Arabian peninsula, or elsewhere. As their was no need for it in societies which where partly nomadic, even in the settled villages and towns their was no requirement or facility available to record births or deaths, the fact that the written word had been invented doesn't negate the fact that most people had no use for it in their daily lives, and literacy was almost unheard of in these areas, hence very poor recording of births and deaths Thomas222.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whothis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whothis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Hewitt[/bold] wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran[/p][/quote]The Quran is a Man made invention to control.[/p][/quote]Dear Thomas222 You say in this comment that the Quran was 'man made' and in your previous comment you say the Prophet Never existed? So therefore by your logic how can a man who never existed make a 'man made' book? And just a little info for you this particular prophet is actually buried in the city of Madinah in Arabia,, so obviously did exist as their are actual remains. Please check your facts before making comments about things you seem to know very little about. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and points of view, but facts based in truth are important.[/p][/quote]The book was written 400 years after his supposed death. There is no record of his birth, where he was born and where he preached. The name mohhamed was not mentioned untill this time also.... Jesus his life and times are recorded by roman and jewish writings..... Mohhamed nil..... fact... prove he lived is only the book man wrote to control.[/p][/quote]You are correct in saying their was no record of his exact birth date, but their is a record of his date of death, yesterday. Very few people in the Arabian peninsula or even in Europe or anywhere else fastidiously recorded the dates of birth of everybody, unless of course you were a noble or wealthy family, so it is of no actual consequence and is in line with pretty much all of the prophets of the monotheistic faiths, including Jesus...who by the way wasn't born on 25th of December.....their is no record of his birthday either, in fact their is no earthly remains, no place of burial, no original Aramaic bible to tell us or to 'prove' to us of his existence, just contradictory versions of multiple gospels as not seen or properly recorded by anyone. And yet....billions of people believe Jesus existed, and billions believe he will return and that ironically includes every single person who claims to be a Muslim. Part of the creed of Islam is to believe and accept ALL previous texts (Old Testament, New Testament. And the Pslams of David) as revealed to the prophets also named in the Quran as true but never the less altered or corrupted by man, indeed the Quran's claim is it came as a 'confirmation' of all these previous books of God and attests to the truth contained within them at the time of revelation, but unfortunately corrupted by man. And as the Christians and Muslims are waiting for the 'second coming of Christ' surely it will be for him to judge between you and to guide the lost souls back to the faith? But of course like the people of old everyone will still have the same choice as the first time he came,, to believe or not to believe, is yours and everybody else's choice, free will.....use it wisely.[/p][/quote]Yes they did the area had scribes before anyone else...... the written word originated in this region.[/p][/quote]As I said unless you were from a notable or wealthy or royal family the statutory recording of ordinary citizens dates of birth was not the practise in the Arabian peninsula, or elsewhere. As their was no need for it in societies which where partly nomadic, even in the settled villages and towns their was no requirement or facility available to record births or deaths, the fact that the written word had been invented doesn't negate the fact that most people had no use for it in their daily lives, and literacy was almost unheard of in these areas, hence very poor recording of births and deaths Thomas222. Whothis
  • Score: 5

1:10pm Mon 13 Jan 14

thomas222 says...

cliff4treasurer wrote:
"Whothis" could have a conversation in an empty room I think. Which facts is that proves the bones buried are those of Allah? He never existed just as Jesus (one and the same?) never existed and like the bible was written by a mere mortal. If Muslims where not Muslims and Islam didn't exist are you saying women would be treated as equals as you argue that it's the "culture" that treats women as inferior so how come it's only Muslim women who are stoned to death for being raped/having an affair? etc etc. The "evidence" of his existence is no more than the so called evidence that god or Jesus existed hence the catch all "he who believes without seeing" rubbish. "the cloths he wore,his armour,his sword (why did he need a sword?) what sort of "proof " is that or in fact anything else you rabbit on about? All could have been worn and owned by anybody. "go take a peek" what a clown. I have no doubt there will be a war in Europe in the next 50 /60 years and it will be between the Christians and the Muslims and the politicians are going to be running for cover shouting it wasn't my fault!
There was a Jesus his birth is recorded and his life followed to his death. These writings are in the Roman written record and also the Jewish and others. Wether one believes in Jesus or not he did exist unlike Mohammed who never did exept for someones imagination 400 yrs after his supposed death. Fact but they dont like the truth.
[quote][p][bold]cliff4treasurer[/bold] wrote: "Whothis" could have a conversation in an empty room I think. Which facts is that proves the bones buried are those of Allah? He never existed just as Jesus (one and the same?) never existed and like the bible was written by a mere mortal. If Muslims where not Muslims and Islam didn't exist are you saying women would be treated as equals as you argue that it's the "culture" that treats women as inferior so how come it's only Muslim women who are stoned to death for being raped/having an affair? etc etc. The "evidence" of his existence is no more than the so called evidence that god or Jesus existed hence the catch all "he who believes without seeing" rubbish. "the cloths he wore,his armour,his sword (why did he need a sword?) what sort of "proof " is that or in fact anything else you rabbit on about? All could have been worn and owned by anybody. "go take a peek" what a clown. I have no doubt there will be a war in Europe in the next 50 /60 years and it will be between the Christians and the Muslims and the politicians are going to be running for cover shouting it wasn't my fault![/p][/quote]There was a Jesus his birth is recorded and his life followed to his death. These writings are in the Roman written record and also the Jewish and others. Wether one believes in Jesus or not he did exist unlike Mohammed who never did exept for someones imagination 400 yrs after his supposed death. Fact but they dont like the truth. thomas222
  • Score: 2

1:11pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Whothis says...

thomas222 wrote:
Whothis wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Whothis wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The bluetooth. wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Mr Hewitt wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran
The Quran is a Man made invention to control.
If u have read the translation u will hav gathered that it was not man made. It was revealed by Allah. Only the quran has not been changed or altered over the years. All the holy books hav inc bible. The quran is a manual in order for a muslim to lead his /her life. The ignorant will always be ignorant but one day very shortly the truth will **** out...so if your not for it then dont be against it.
Show me the written record of Mohammeds life and times by someone of his time?. Jesus is recorded start to finish by roman and jewish peoples among others. Mohammed has none..... the book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by men... prove he existed then ?
I think you will find a few 'original' copy's of the Quran recorded in the prophets lifetime and made into book form in order to preserve it shortly after his demise in fact still exist, one of which is available for public viewing and was retained by the Ottomans, if you would like to see this you will need to travel to Istanbul in Turkey where it is kept in the Topkapi Palace Museum along with the sword and mantle of the prophet,and various other items which belonged to him,their is also another copy original of which only one third survives In an area of old Tashkent known as Hast-Imam, and I believe their is a photocopy of the original text in Karachi too. And as previously stated the prophets earthly remains are buried in Madinah in Arabia where he passed away. And Thomas222 it is not for me or anyone else to tell you or anyone else what to believe, you have a brain a mind like everyone else you have a choice to read what you like, and you will understand what you will understand, I have told you where these original text are available to view, but it is your choice if you wish to view it or not, the same as everybody else, after all man was born with free will, your path is your choice.
You think is not proof..... where are the written records written by other people recording his lifetime... there is none and never has been. The book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by Man.
'I think you will find' is a statement Thomas222, not a doubt, the evidence is exactly where I have told you it is, and does exist and can be seen by anyone. As for proof or evidence of the existence of the prophet are his belongings, the clothes he wore, his armour, his sword, his earthly remains. Or is it scholastic evidence you are asking for ? I would suggest to you the Quran itself is quite an in depth record, the people of the times who recorded his sayings, attested to his life and existence, their is a chain of reference which has been passed on from the time of his existence and can be traced back through the generations. I do not need to try and convince you Or anyone else of his existence Thomas222, the evidence is there if proof is what you require then please go look at it, it's been around for a long time and is still viewable. What you should understand is what you wish to believe is up to you, no-one is suggesting you have to believe anything of what I say, you asked for evidence, the evidence is there, go take a peek.
The books you mention were written apx 400 yrs after his supposed death. Fact!
Which books thomas222? You keep referring to these books? What are these books? Please a title would be helpful.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whothis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whothis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The bluetooth.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Hewitt[/bold] wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran[/p][/quote]The Quran is a Man made invention to control.[/p][/quote]If u have read the translation u will hav gathered that it was not man made. It was revealed by Allah. Only the quran has not been changed or altered over the years. All the holy books hav inc bible. The quran is a manual in order for a muslim to lead his /her life. The ignorant will always be ignorant but one day very shortly the truth will **** out...so if your not for it then dont be against it.[/p][/quote]Show me the written record of Mohammeds life and times by someone of his time?. Jesus is recorded start to finish by roman and jewish peoples among others. Mohammed has none..... the book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by men... prove he existed then ?[/p][/quote]I think you will find a few 'original' copy's of the Quran recorded in the prophets lifetime and made into book form in order to preserve it shortly after his demise in fact still exist, one of which is available for public viewing and was retained by the Ottomans, if you would like to see this you will need to travel to Istanbul in Turkey where it is kept in the Topkapi Palace Museum along with the sword and mantle of the prophet,and various other items which belonged to him,their is also another copy original of which only one third survives In an area of old Tashkent known as Hast-Imam, and I believe their is a photocopy of the original text in Karachi too. And as previously stated the prophets earthly remains are buried in Madinah in Arabia where he passed away. And Thomas222 it is not for me or anyone else to tell you or anyone else what to believe, you have a brain a mind like everyone else you have a choice to read what you like, and you will understand what you will understand, I have told you where these original text are available to view, but it is your choice if you wish to view it or not, the same as everybody else, after all man was born with free will, your path is your choice.[/p][/quote]You think is not proof..... where are the written records written by other people recording his lifetime... there is none and never has been. The book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by Man.[/p][/quote]'I think you will find' is a statement Thomas222, not a doubt, the evidence is exactly where I have told you it is, and does exist and can be seen by anyone. As for proof or evidence of the existence of the prophet are his belongings, the clothes he wore, his armour, his sword, his earthly remains. Or is it scholastic evidence you are asking for ? I would suggest to you the Quran itself is quite an in depth record, the people of the times who recorded his sayings, attested to his life and existence, their is a chain of reference which has been passed on from the time of his existence and can be traced back through the generations. I do not need to try and convince you Or anyone else of his existence Thomas222, the evidence is there if proof is what you require then please go look at it, it's been around for a long time and is still viewable. What you should understand is what you wish to believe is up to you, no-one is suggesting you have to believe anything of what I say, you asked for evidence, the evidence is there, go take a peek.[/p][/quote]The books you mention were written apx 400 yrs after his supposed death. Fact![/p][/quote]Which books thomas222? You keep referring to these books? What are these books? Please a title would be helpful. Whothis
  • Score: 2

1:17pm Mon 13 Jan 14

LordLindley says...

I have been informed by this paper that I have breached conditions with one of my comments. Which one? I do not believe I have posted anything of a racist/religonist nature, so please proove your accusation.
I have been informed by this paper that I have breached conditions with one of my comments. Which one? I do not believe I have posted anything of a racist/religonist nature, so please proove your accusation. LordLindley
  • Score: 10

1:27pm Mon 13 Jan 14

thomas222 says...

Whothis wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Whothis wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Whothis wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The bluetooth. wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Mr Hewitt wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran
The Quran is a Man made invention to control.
If u have read the translation u will hav gathered that it was not man made. It was revealed by Allah. Only the quran has not been changed or altered over the years. All the holy books hav inc bible. The quran is a manual in order for a muslim to lead his /her life. The ignorant will always be ignorant but one day very shortly the truth will **** out...so if your not for it then dont be against it.
Show me the written record of Mohammeds life and times by someone of his time?. Jesus is recorded start to finish by roman and jewish peoples among others. Mohammed has none..... the book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by men... prove he existed then ?
I think you will find a few 'original' copy's of the Quran recorded in the prophets lifetime and made into book form in order to preserve it shortly after his demise in fact still exist, one of which is available for public viewing and was retained by the Ottomans, if you would like to see this you will need to travel to Istanbul in Turkey where it is kept in the Topkapi Palace Museum along with the sword and mantle of the prophet,and various other items which belonged to him,their is also another copy original of which only one third survives In an area of old Tashkent known as Hast-Imam, and I believe their is a photocopy of the original text in Karachi too. And as previously stated the prophets earthly remains are buried in Madinah in Arabia where he passed away. And Thomas222 it is not for me or anyone else to tell you or anyone else what to believe, you have a brain a mind like everyone else you have a choice to read what you like, and you will understand what you will understand, I have told you where these original text are available to view, but it is your choice if you wish to view it or not, the same as everybody else, after all man was born with free will, your path is your choice.
You think is not proof..... where are the written records written by other people recording his lifetime... there is none and never has been. The book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by Man.
'I think you will find' is a statement Thomas222, not a doubt, the evidence is exactly where I have told you it is, and does exist and can be seen by anyone. As for proof or evidence of the existence of the prophet are his belongings, the clothes he wore, his armour, his sword, his earthly remains. Or is it scholastic evidence you are asking for ? I would suggest to you the Quran itself is quite an in depth record, the people of the times who recorded his sayings, attested to his life and existence, their is a chain of reference which has been passed on from the time of his existence and can be traced back through the generations. I do not need to try and convince you Or anyone else of his existence Thomas222, the evidence is there if proof is what you require then please go look at it, it's been around for a long time and is still viewable. What you should understand is what you wish to believe is up to you, no-one is suggesting you have to believe anything of what I say, you asked for evidence, the evidence is there, go take a peek.
The books you mention were written apx 400 yrs after his supposed death. Fact!
Which books thomas222? You keep referring to these books? What are these books? Please a title would be helpful.
The books you mention why they not recorded anywhere except Muslim writings and no where else as Islam was spread wide and far. Google did Mohammed ever live! Cleverer people than me and you seem to think not.
[quote][p][bold]Whothis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whothis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whothis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The bluetooth.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Hewitt[/bold] wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran[/p][/quote]The Quran is a Man made invention to control.[/p][/quote]If u have read the translation u will hav gathered that it was not man made. It was revealed by Allah. Only the quran has not been changed or altered over the years. All the holy books hav inc bible. The quran is a manual in order for a muslim to lead his /her life. The ignorant will always be ignorant but one day very shortly the truth will **** out...so if your not for it then dont be against it.[/p][/quote]Show me the written record of Mohammeds life and times by someone of his time?. Jesus is recorded start to finish by roman and jewish peoples among others. Mohammed has none..... the book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by men... prove he existed then ?[/p][/quote]I think you will find a few 'original' copy's of the Quran recorded in the prophets lifetime and made into book form in order to preserve it shortly after his demise in fact still exist, one of which is available for public viewing and was retained by the Ottomans, if you would like to see this you will need to travel to Istanbul in Turkey where it is kept in the Topkapi Palace Museum along with the sword and mantle of the prophet,and various other items which belonged to him,their is also another copy original of which only one third survives In an area of old Tashkent known as Hast-Imam, and I believe their is a photocopy of the original text in Karachi too. And as previously stated the prophets earthly remains are buried in Madinah in Arabia where he passed away. And Thomas222 it is not for me or anyone else to tell you or anyone else what to believe, you have a brain a mind like everyone else you have a choice to read what you like, and you will understand what you will understand, I have told you where these original text are available to view, but it is your choice if you wish to view it or not, the same as everybody else, after all man was born with free will, your path is your choice.[/p][/quote]You think is not proof..... where are the written records written by other people recording his lifetime... there is none and never has been. The book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by Man.[/p][/quote]'I think you will find' is a statement Thomas222, not a doubt, the evidence is exactly where I have told you it is, and does exist and can be seen by anyone. As for proof or evidence of the existence of the prophet are his belongings, the clothes he wore, his armour, his sword, his earthly remains. Or is it scholastic evidence you are asking for ? I would suggest to you the Quran itself is quite an in depth record, the people of the times who recorded his sayings, attested to his life and existence, their is a chain of reference which has been passed on from the time of his existence and can be traced back through the generations. I do not need to try and convince you Or anyone else of his existence Thomas222, the evidence is there if proof is what you require then please go look at it, it's been around for a long time and is still viewable. What you should understand is what you wish to believe is up to you, no-one is suggesting you have to believe anything of what I say, you asked for evidence, the evidence is there, go take a peek.[/p][/quote]The books you mention were written apx 400 yrs after his supposed death. Fact![/p][/quote]Which books thomas222? You keep referring to these books? What are these books? Please a title would be helpful.[/p][/quote]The books you mention why they not recorded anywhere except Muslim writings and no where else as Islam was spread wide and far. Google did Mohammed ever live! Cleverer people than me and you seem to think not. thomas222
  • Score: 3

1:38pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Whothis says...

cliff4treasurer wrote:
"Whothis" could have a conversation in an empty room I think.

Which facts is that proves the bones buried are those of Allah?
He never existed just as Jesus (one and the same?) never existed and like the bible was written by a mere mortal.
If Muslims where not Muslims and Islam didn't exist are you saying women would be treated as equals as you argue that it's the "culture" that treats women as inferior so how come it's only Muslim women who are stoned to death for being raped/having an affair? etc etc.
The "evidence" of his existence is no more than the so called evidence that god or Jesus existed hence the catch all "he who believes without seeing" rubbish.
"the cloths he wore,his armour,his sword (why did he need a sword?) what sort of "proof " is that or in fact anything else you rabbit on about? All could have been worn and owned by anybody. "go take a peek" what a clown.

I have no doubt there will be a war in Europe in the next 50 /60 years and it will be between the Christians and the Muslims and the politicians are going to be running for cover shouting it wasn't my fault!
Dear cliff4treasurer
It seems someone got out of bed the wrong side this morning, obviously you are not a 'believer' which is just fine, but really is their a need to be caustic? This was a pretty reasonable exchange between myself and thomas222, he has his beliefs which I respect and although we may have differing world views I don't denigrate what he believes, I at least have some respect for him for airing his views, but really Cliff when you start insulting people and calling names, well it just takes me right back to the schoolyard many years ago. And to answer your question about woman, yes I am saying regardless of religion or culture woman have always been treated badly by certain people who use religion or culture as justification for their actions, woman have been stabbed, burned, beaten, drowned, raped then strangled, drugged, knocked over, pushed off cliffs (no pun intended) from the beginning of time. The method or death or the claims of the perpetrators trying to justify their actions is a travesty of law and order, a travesty of human rights, an insult to all people of all times, and please remember the method of 'stoning' is not Unique to Islam. The fact that corrupt people exist, and will always try to justify the murder of innocents in the name of whatever they can get away with...that is unfortunately in the nature of mankind. Even in Farnworth one can find allegations made of a man stabbing his wife on a suburban street in full view of all,, justified? Certainly not, deplorable yes of course it is. The sad fact is that woman the world over are attacked and murdered everyday in all societies belonging to ALL faiths and cultures,, I'm sure if you took your eye off Islam for a moment you may see one or two coming to your attention, and realise that the thousands of woman who die everyday all over the world are not all stoned to death by screaming mobs of Muslims, far from it, so cliff a bit of perspective please and context, not too much to ask is it. Having said that nice to see that someone has some real concern for the welfare of woman, or is it just Muslim woman you're concerned about? Open your eyes cliff, look around, their are woman dying everyday not all are Muslims, stoned to death....!!! They are women, somebody's mother, daughter, sister, wife, anyone who murders a woman should be hung in the street like a dog, now that would make people think, but it will never stop violence against women.
[quote][p][bold]cliff4treasurer[/bold] wrote: "Whothis" could have a conversation in an empty room I think. Which facts is that proves the bones buried are those of Allah? He never existed just as Jesus (one and the same?) never existed and like the bible was written by a mere mortal. If Muslims where not Muslims and Islam didn't exist are you saying women would be treated as equals as you argue that it's the "culture" that treats women as inferior so how come it's only Muslim women who are stoned to death for being raped/having an affair? etc etc. The "evidence" of his existence is no more than the so called evidence that god or Jesus existed hence the catch all "he who believes without seeing" rubbish. "the cloths he wore,his armour,his sword (why did he need a sword?) what sort of "proof " is that or in fact anything else you rabbit on about? All could have been worn and owned by anybody. "go take a peek" what a clown. I have no doubt there will be a war in Europe in the next 50 /60 years and it will be between the Christians and the Muslims and the politicians are going to be running for cover shouting it wasn't my fault![/p][/quote]Dear cliff4treasurer It seems someone got out of bed the wrong side this morning, obviously you are not a 'believer' which is just fine, but really is their a need to be caustic? This was a pretty reasonable exchange between myself and thomas222, he has his beliefs which I respect and although we may have differing world views I don't denigrate what he believes, I at least have some respect for him for airing his views, but really Cliff when you start insulting people and calling names, well it just takes me right back to the schoolyard many years ago. And to answer your question about woman, yes I am saying regardless of religion or culture woman have always been treated badly by certain people who use religion or culture as justification for their actions, woman have been stabbed, burned, beaten, drowned, raped then strangled, drugged, knocked over, pushed off cliffs (no pun intended) from the beginning of time. The method or death or the claims of the perpetrators trying to justify their actions is a travesty of law and order, a travesty of human rights, an insult to all people of all times, and please remember the method of 'stoning' is not Unique to Islam. The fact that corrupt people exist, and will always try to justify the murder of innocents in the name of whatever they can get away with...that is unfortunately in the nature of mankind. Even in Farnworth one can find allegations made of a man stabbing his wife on a suburban street in full view of all,, justified? Certainly not, deplorable yes of course it is. The sad fact is that woman the world over are attacked and murdered everyday in all societies belonging to ALL faiths and cultures,, I'm sure if you took your eye off Islam for a moment you may see one or two coming to your attention, and realise that the thousands of woman who die everyday all over the world are not all stoned to death by screaming mobs of Muslims, far from it, so cliff a bit of perspective please and context, not too much to ask is it. Having said that nice to see that someone has some real concern for the welfare of woman, or is it just Muslim woman you're concerned about? Open your eyes cliff, look around, their are woman dying everyday not all are Muslims, stoned to death....!!! They are women, somebody's mother, daughter, sister, wife, anyone who murders a woman should be hung in the street like a dog, now that would make people think, but it will never stop violence against women. Whothis
  • Score: 3

1:40pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Jim271 says...

My Imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend.

There is no God but LEMMY.
My Imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend. There is no God but LEMMY. Jim271
  • Score: 2

2:54pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Whothis says...

thomas222 wrote:
Whothis wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Whothis wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Whothis wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
The bluetooth. wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Mr Hewitt wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran
The Quran is a Man made invention to control.
If u have read the translation u will hav gathered that it was not man made. It was revealed by Allah. Only the quran has not been changed or altered over the years. All the holy books hav inc bible. The quran is a manual in order for a muslim to lead his /her life. The ignorant will always be ignorant but one day very shortly the truth will **** out...so if your not for it then dont be against it.
Show me the written record of Mohammeds life and times by someone of his time?. Jesus is recorded start to finish by roman and jewish peoples among others. Mohammed has none..... the book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by men... prove he existed then ?
I think you will find a few 'original' copy's of the Quran recorded in the prophets lifetime and made into book form in order to preserve it shortly after his demise in fact still exist, one of which is available for public viewing and was retained by the Ottomans, if you would like to see this you will need to travel to Istanbul in Turkey where it is kept in the Topkapi Palace Museum along with the sword and mantle of the prophet,and various other items which belonged to him,their is also another copy original of which only one third survives In an area of old Tashkent known as Hast-Imam, and I believe their is a photocopy of the original text in Karachi too. And as previously stated the prophets earthly remains are buried in Madinah in Arabia where he passed away. And Thomas222 it is not for me or anyone else to tell you or anyone else what to believe, you have a brain a mind like everyone else you have a choice to read what you like, and you will understand what you will understand, I have told you where these original text are available to view, but it is your choice if you wish to view it or not, the same as everybody else, after all man was born with free will, your path is your choice.
You think is not proof..... where are the written records written by other people recording his lifetime... there is none and never has been. The book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by Man.
'I think you will find' is a statement Thomas222, not a doubt, the evidence is exactly where I have told you it is, and does exist and can be seen by anyone. As for proof or evidence of the existence of the prophet are his belongings, the clothes he wore, his armour, his sword, his earthly remains. Or is it scholastic evidence you are asking for ? I would suggest to you the Quran itself is quite an in depth record, the people of the times who recorded his sayings, attested to his life and existence, their is a chain of reference which has been passed on from the time of his existence and can be traced back through the generations. I do not need to try and convince you Or anyone else of his existence Thomas222, the evidence is there if proof is what you require then please go look at it, it's been around for a long time and is still viewable. What you should understand is what you wish to believe is up to you, no-one is suggesting you have to believe anything of what I say, you asked for evidence, the evidence is there, go take a peek.
The books you mention were written apx 400 yrs after his supposed death. Fact!
Which books thomas222? You keep referring to these books? What are these books? Please a title would be helpful.
The books you mention why they not recorded anywhere except Muslim writings and no where else as Islam was spread wide and far. Google did Mohammed ever live! Cleverer people than me and you seem to think not.
Dear Thomas222
The people of the time of Jesus and the place where he carried out his ministry was indeed recorded by various peoples of the time as you quite rightly said, this was due to the fact that he was surrounded by people around him, Romans, Jews and inhabitants of the cities he visited and of course he was of Jewish descent himself, and their was infrastructure in the major cities. Hence an explanation for his existence and of course his teachings.
The prophet of Islam was born into a desert culture which was still partly nomadic, with largely oral traditions, rather than written, the prophet himself was also known as the 'unlettered' prophet as he could not read or write himself, but others around him recorded both by committing to memory which was the norm, and writing down of the revelations, (only committed to book form after his death as where the 'sayings of the prophet) that is a fact. As the parables of Jesus were remembered and later written down and the Bible committed to writing in much the same way by his disciples and followers.
I can only say to you that the reason his teachings and revelations were collected by 'Muslims' is because after receiving the revelations he did not really venture outside of Arabia, but spent his time in Mecca and Madinah, and therefore would have had very little or no contact with the outside world other than his people in these two cities. As for information gathering from Google, if you type in "I was abducted by Aliens" I'm sure you'll get a hit.
That's not to say you cannot find information on the internet, but unfortunately their is a lot of websites 'for and against' literally any subject you choose, and those with their own agendas 'for and against' pretty much anything you can think of. If you are looking for explanations carry on, I'm sure you'll eventually find what you're looking for, just keep an open mind and try not to get bogged down in misconceptions and preconceptions, and most importantly don't judge the book by those who claim to follow it,,, read it yourself.
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whothis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whothis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Whothis[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The bluetooth.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Hewitt[/bold] wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran[/p][/quote]The Quran is a Man made invention to control.[/p][/quote]If u have read the translation u will hav gathered that it was not man made. It was revealed by Allah. Only the quran has not been changed or altered over the years. All the holy books hav inc bible. The quran is a manual in order for a muslim to lead his /her life. The ignorant will always be ignorant but one day very shortly the truth will **** out...so if your not for it then dont be against it.[/p][/quote]Show me the written record of Mohammeds life and times by someone of his time?. Jesus is recorded start to finish by roman and jewish peoples among others. Mohammed has none..... the book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by men... prove he existed then ?[/p][/quote]I think you will find a few 'original' copy's of the Quran recorded in the prophets lifetime and made into book form in order to preserve it shortly after his demise in fact still exist, one of which is available for public viewing and was retained by the Ottomans, if you would like to see this you will need to travel to Istanbul in Turkey where it is kept in the Topkapi Palace Museum along with the sword and mantle of the prophet,and various other items which belonged to him,their is also another copy original of which only one third survives In an area of old Tashkent known as Hast-Imam, and I believe their is a photocopy of the original text in Karachi too. And as previously stated the prophets earthly remains are buried in Madinah in Arabia where he passed away. And Thomas222 it is not for me or anyone else to tell you or anyone else what to believe, you have a brain a mind like everyone else you have a choice to read what you like, and you will understand what you will understand, I have told you where these original text are available to view, but it is your choice if you wish to view it or not, the same as everybody else, after all man was born with free will, your path is your choice.[/p][/quote]You think is not proof..... where are the written records written by other people recording his lifetime... there is none and never has been. The book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by Man.[/p][/quote]'I think you will find' is a statement Thomas222, not a doubt, the evidence is exactly where I have told you it is, and does exist and can be seen by anyone. As for proof or evidence of the existence of the prophet are his belongings, the clothes he wore, his armour, his sword, his earthly remains. Or is it scholastic evidence you are asking for ? I would suggest to you the Quran itself is quite an in depth record, the people of the times who recorded his sayings, attested to his life and existence, their is a chain of reference which has been passed on from the time of his existence and can be traced back through the generations. I do not need to try and convince you Or anyone else of his existence Thomas222, the evidence is there if proof is what you require then please go look at it, it's been around for a long time and is still viewable. What you should understand is what you wish to believe is up to you, no-one is suggesting you have to believe anything of what I say, you asked for evidence, the evidence is there, go take a peek.[/p][/quote]The books you mention were written apx 400 yrs after his supposed death. Fact![/p][/quote]Which books thomas222? You keep referring to these books? What are these books? Please a title would be helpful.[/p][/quote]The books you mention why they not recorded anywhere except Muslim writings and no where else as Islam was spread wide and far. Google did Mohammed ever live! Cleverer people than me and you seem to think not.[/p][/quote]Dear Thomas222 The people of the time of Jesus and the place where he carried out his ministry was indeed recorded by various peoples of the time as you quite rightly said, this was due to the fact that he was surrounded by people around him, Romans, Jews and inhabitants of the cities he visited and of course he was of Jewish descent himself, and their was infrastructure in the major cities. Hence an explanation for his existence and of course his teachings. The prophet of Islam was born into a desert culture which was still partly nomadic, with largely oral traditions, rather than written, the prophet himself was also known as the 'unlettered' prophet as he could not read or write himself, but others around him recorded both by committing to memory which was the norm, and writing down of the revelations, (only committed to book form after his death as where the 'sayings of the prophet) that is a fact. As the parables of Jesus were remembered and later written down and the Bible committed to writing in much the same way by his disciples and followers. I can only say to you that the reason his teachings and revelations were collected by 'Muslims' is because after receiving the revelations he did not really venture outside of Arabia, but spent his time in Mecca and Madinah, and therefore would have had very little or no contact with the outside world other than his people in these two cities. As for information gathering from Google, if you type in "I was abducted by Aliens" I'm sure you'll get a hit. That's not to say you cannot find information on the internet, but unfortunately their is a lot of websites 'for and against' literally any subject you choose, and those with their own agendas 'for and against' pretty much anything you can think of. If you are looking for explanations carry on, I'm sure you'll eventually find what you're looking for, just keep an open mind and try not to get bogged down in misconceptions and preconceptions, and most importantly don't judge the book by those who claim to follow it,,, read it yourself. Whothis
  • Score: 5

2:59pm Mon 13 Jan 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

This country is a disgrace. The End.
This country is a disgrace. The End. FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 9

3:27pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Toybox says...

Jim271 wrote:
My Imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend.

There is no God but LEMMY.
Funny, well done.
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: My Imaginary friend is better than your imaginary friend. There is no God but LEMMY.[/p][/quote]Funny, well done. Toybox
  • Score: 0

3:37pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Whothis says...

FreedomOfSpeech1945 wrote:
This country is a disgrace. The End.
Couldn't agree more.
[quote][p][bold]FreedomOfSpeech1945[/bold] wrote: This country is a disgrace. The End.[/p][/quote]Couldn't agree more. Whothis
  • Score: 10

7:11pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Greasy Chip Butty says...

Time for the closet racists to air their views. The likes of Thomas222 seem well educated type of folk but will never change their warped thinking and mindsets. Never.
Time for the closet racists to air their views. The likes of Thomas222 seem well educated type of folk but will never change their warped thinking and mindsets. Never. Greasy Chip Butty
  • Score: -7

7:23pm Mon 13 Jan 14

George X says...

Greasy Chip Butty wrote:
Time for the closet racists to air their views. The likes of Thomas222 seem well educated type of folk but will never change their warped thinking and mindsets. Never.
Is he a racist or is he a nationalist ? either way i think you'll find there's a lot of your definition of racists in this country !!!
[quote][p][bold]Greasy Chip Butty[/bold] wrote: Time for the closet racists to air their views. The likes of Thomas222 seem well educated type of folk but will never change their warped thinking and mindsets. Never.[/p][/quote]Is he a racist or is he a nationalist ? either way i think you'll find there's a lot of your definition of racists in this country !!! George X
  • Score: 5

8:31pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Regulatory Man says...

Well what can I say - The United Kingdom. If your picture illustrating the march is anything to go by it looks far from united to me.

Any Man that treats a woman as some sort of 2nd class person in their 'culture', religion or whatever is NOT a man.

Furthermore when I last looked this was Great Britain, and the town we live in in this regard is Bolton. Now I don't recall Temples and Mosques being built for us and I certainly don't expect when they are that their way of life is rammed down my throat and stuck in my face.

If you wish to come and live in the UK you adopt "our" cultures and heritage first and if you wish to practice your own that is fine and not a problem so long as you do that without imposing your demands that we all follow suit.

Until we start to see 'TRUE equality' then this country and its citizens will not come together and the prejudices mainly borne out of frustration at the one sided bias towards the ethnic minorities in the UK will remain as divided as they are now.

Wind your necks in, play fair and we will all get on - push your views, hatred and religious bull**** on us and you'll go backwards every time I'm afraid to say.
Well what can I say - The United Kingdom. If your picture illustrating the march is anything to go by it looks far from united to me. Any Man that treats a woman as some sort of 2nd class person in their 'culture', religion or whatever is NOT a man. Furthermore when I last looked this was Great Britain, and the town we live in in this regard is Bolton. Now I don't recall Temples and Mosques being built for us and I certainly don't expect when they are that their way of life is rammed down my throat and stuck in my face. If you wish to come and live in the UK you adopt "our" cultures and heritage first and if you wish to practice your own that is fine and not a problem so long as you do that without imposing your demands that we all follow suit. Until we start to see 'TRUE equality' then this country and its citizens will not come together and the prejudices mainly borne out of frustration at the one sided bias towards the ethnic minorities in the UK will remain as divided as they are now. Wind your necks in, play fair and we will all get on - push your views, hatred and religious bull**** on us and you'll go backwards every time I'm afraid to say. Regulatory Man
  • Score: 6

8:39pm Mon 13 Jan 14

Regulatory Man says...

ussy7861 wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
We are constantly told to believe in equality and diversity yet Islam treats women as inferior beings. Look at the photo from today? Not one single female was in that march.The women were no doubt stuck at home not allowed to attend. I am sick of lefties preaching equality yet seemingly having a blind spot when it comes to the teachings of Islam.
Can i just say that there was a ladies gathering at the same time so don't go around saying all this bs. about women not attending.
A ladies gathering at the same time? Wasn't this a 'United' march? Exactly the point many are making. Women who tolerate such blatant discrimination by their men folk, faith, culture, religion, God or any other reason do an injustice to all the men and women service personnel who fought great wars to give you the freedoms you should be enjoying today.

If you wish to be oppressed go and do it in an oppressive country but don't bring it here.
[quote][p][bold]ussy7861[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: We are constantly told to believe in equality and diversity yet Islam treats women as inferior beings. Look at the photo from today? Not one single female was in that march.The women were no doubt stuck at home not allowed to attend. I am sick of lefties preaching equality yet seemingly having a blind spot when it comes to the teachings of Islam.[/p][/quote]Can i just say that there was a ladies gathering at the same time so don't go around saying all this bs. about women not attending.[/p][/quote]A ladies gathering at the same time? Wasn't this a 'United' march? Exactly the point many are making. Women who tolerate such blatant discrimination by their men folk, faith, culture, religion, God or any other reason do an injustice to all the men and women service personnel who fought great wars to give you the freedoms you should be enjoying today. If you wish to be oppressed go and do it in an oppressive country but don't bring it here. Regulatory Man
  • Score: 12

1:51am Tue 14 Jan 14

ARBEE says...

Members of this radicle religion are a vangard army with the itentions of taking over europe and imposing sharia law over all other deities,to ensure total
peace and protection of our customs and democratic way of life,people who put their religoin before this country they have moved to should be given the choice of Schism or returned to the lands of islam
Members of this radicle religion are a vangard army with the itentions of taking over europe and imposing sharia law over all other deities,to ensure total peace and protection of our customs and democratic way of life,people who put their religoin before this country they have moved to should be given the choice of Schism or returned to the lands of islam ARBEE
  • Score: 7

4:04pm Tue 14 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

underwater wrote:
Why was my post deleted, thought we had free speech in this country.
There has NEVER been free speech in this country as there has always been laws as to what can or cannot be said!!!
[quote][p][bold]underwater[/bold] wrote: Why was my post deleted, thought we had free speech in this country.[/p][/quote]There has NEVER been free speech in this country as there has always been laws as to what can or cannot be said!!! BWFC71
  • Score: -5

4:06pm Tue 14 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
Mr Hewitt wrote:
Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran
The Quran is a Man made invention to control.
Just like the Bible and holy scriptures from ALL other religions - so why didn't you say that as well, Thomas?
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Hewitt[/bold] wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran[/p][/quote]The Quran is a Man made invention to control.[/p][/quote]Just like the Bible and holy scriptures from ALL other religions - so why didn't you say that as well, Thomas? BWFC71
  • Score: -1

4:16pm Tue 14 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

thomas222 wrote:
The bluetooth. wrote:
thomas222 wrote:
Mr Hewitt wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran
The Quran is a Man made invention to control.
If u have read the translation u will hav gathered that it was not man made. It was revealed by Allah. Only the quran has not been changed or altered over the years. All the holy books hav inc bible. The quran is a manual in order for a muslim to lead his /her life. The ignorant will always be ignorant but one day very shortly the truth will **** out...so if your not for it then dont be against it.
Show me the written record of Mohammeds life and times by someone of his time?. Jesus is recorded start to finish by roman and jewish peoples among others. Mohammed has none..... the book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by men... prove he existed then ?
And Jesus and his disciples wrote in Modern English knowing that any translations from the original Hebrew language would get changed by varying degrees!!!

Also it is amazing how the Christian Religions foretold of events before Jesus life and how man and woman were created!!!

Also lets not forget that Jesus as supposedly around (as no remains have ever been found!) long before the calender changed from BC to AD - and there was no year 0 between BC and AD and this was at a period when there were only 10 months in a year instead of the current 12!
[quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The bluetooth.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thomas222[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mr Hewitt[/bold] wrote: Apparently the Bolton news don't like facts from the Quran about Mohammed being posted on his birthday? Keep deleting my posts but it was just facts and figures from the Quran[/p][/quote]The Quran is a Man made invention to control.[/p][/quote]If u have read the translation u will hav gathered that it was not man made. It was revealed by Allah. Only the quran has not been changed or altered over the years. All the holy books hav inc bible. The quran is a manual in order for a muslim to lead his /her life. The ignorant will always be ignorant but one day very shortly the truth will **** out...so if your not for it then dont be against it.[/p][/quote]Show me the written record of Mohammeds life and times by someone of his time?. Jesus is recorded start to finish by roman and jewish peoples among others. Mohammed has none..... the book was written 400 yrs after his supposed death by men... prove he existed then ?[/p][/quote]And Jesus and his disciples wrote in Modern English knowing that any translations from the original Hebrew language would get changed by varying degrees!!! Also it is amazing how the Christian Religions foretold of events before Jesus life and how man and woman were created!!! Also lets not forget that Jesus as supposedly around (as no remains have ever been found!) long before the calender changed from BC to AD - and there was no year 0 between BC and AD and this was at a period when there were only 10 months in a year instead of the current 12! BWFC71
  • Score: -4

4:20pm Tue 14 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

With all that's been said can we now have a "discussion" as to which Christian religion is the better one of all of them - is it Roman Catholocism, CofE, Church of the Holy Grape, Lutherans, Greek Orthodox etc etc etc

Or what about the various sects of the Jewish faith - which s the better one?

Or lets talk about the hot contemporaneous topic of why Church numbers are declining and what can be to reverse the trend?
With all that's been said can we now have a "discussion" as to which Christian religion is the better one of all of them - is it Roman Catholocism, CofE, Church of the Holy Grape, Lutherans, Greek Orthodox etc etc etc Or what about the various sects of the Jewish faith - which s the better one? Or lets talk about the hot contemporaneous topic of why Church numbers are declining and what can be to reverse the trend? BWFC71
  • Score: -3

10:48pm Tue 14 Jan 14

gpdancu says...

This murderous cult is eroding Britain from within and most of the Brits just put their heads in the sand. Muslim birth rate is about 5 times as high as the British one, and only the influx of East-Europeans is helping to keep the balance.
Romanians and Bulgarians, please come to Britain, we need your help!!!!
This murderous cult is eroding Britain from within and most of the Brits just put their heads in the sand. Muslim birth rate is about 5 times as high as the British one, and only the influx of East-Europeans is helping to keep the balance. Romanians and Bulgarians, please come to Britain, we need your help!!!! gpdancu
  • Score: 4

11:22pm Tue 14 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

gpdancu wrote:
This murderous cult is eroding Britain from within and most of the Brits just put their heads in the sand. Muslim birth rate is about 5 times as high as the British one, and only the influx of East-Europeans is helping to keep the balance.
Romanians and Bulgarians, please come to Britain, we need your help!!!!
Proof or just more UKIP lies?

I would bet all my possessions that it is the latter - just to scare people into voting for them!!!


Did you know Muslims have been in this country just as long as Christianity? Or has that just slipped from your mind because all you hear about are churches closing due to lack of faith and Mosques opening due to increase of faith - whose fault is that???? Church goers for losing faith, thats who!
[quote][p][bold]gpdancu[/bold] wrote: This murderous cult is eroding Britain from within and most of the Brits just put their heads in the sand. Muslim birth rate is about 5 times as high as the British one, and only the influx of East-Europeans is helping to keep the balance. Romanians and Bulgarians, please come to Britain, we need your help!!!![/p][/quote]Proof or just more UKIP lies? I would bet all my possessions that it is the latter - just to scare people into voting for them!!! Did you know Muslims have been in this country just as long as Christianity? Or has that just slipped from your mind because all you hear about are churches closing due to lack of faith and Mosques opening due to increase of faith - whose fault is that???? Church goers for losing faith, thats who! BWFC71
  • Score: -6

7:08am Wed 15 Jan 14

George X says...

BWFC71 wrote:
gpdancu wrote:
This murderous cult is eroding Britain from within and most of the Brits just put their heads in the sand. Muslim birth rate is about 5 times as high as the British one, and only the influx of East-Europeans is helping to keep the balance.
Romanians and Bulgarians, please come to Britain, we need your help!!!!
Proof or just more UKIP lies?

I would bet all my possessions that it is the latter - just to scare people into voting for them!!!


Did you know Muslims have been in this country just as long as Christianity? Or has that just slipped from your mind because all you hear about are churches closing due to lack of faith and Mosques opening due to increase of faith - whose fault is that???? Church goers for losing faith, thats who!
How many times are you going to copy and paste the same drivel ?

The next time there is a story about car parking you'll copy and paste the one about the council and NCP !

Then it'll be railways and network rail blah blah blah....

In future just post a link to your posts from the archive, do us all a favour.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gpdancu[/bold] wrote: This murderous cult is eroding Britain from within and most of the Brits just put their heads in the sand. Muslim birth rate is about 5 times as high as the British one, and only the influx of East-Europeans is helping to keep the balance. Romanians and Bulgarians, please come to Britain, we need your help!!!![/p][/quote]Proof or just more UKIP lies? I would bet all my possessions that it is the latter - just to scare people into voting for them!!! Did you know Muslims have been in this country just as long as Christianity? Or has that just slipped from your mind because all you hear about are churches closing due to lack of faith and Mosques opening due to increase of faith - whose fault is that???? Church goers for losing faith, thats who![/p][/quote]How many times are you going to copy and paste the same drivel ? The next time there is a story about car parking you'll copy and paste the one about the council and NCP ! Then it'll be railways and network rail blah blah blah.... In future just post a link to your posts from the archive, do us all a favour. George X
  • Score: 3

10:44am Wed 15 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

George X wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
gpdancu wrote:
This murderous cult is eroding Britain from within and most of the Brits just put their heads in the sand. Muslim birth rate is about 5 times as high as the British one, and only the influx of East-Europeans is helping to keep the balance.
Romanians and Bulgarians, please come to Britain, we need your help!!!!
Proof or just more UKIP lies?

I would bet all my possessions that it is the latter - just to scare people into voting for them!!!


Did you know Muslims have been in this country just as long as Christianity? Or has that just slipped from your mind because all you hear about are churches closing due to lack of faith and Mosques opening due to increase of faith - whose fault is that???? Church goers for losing faith, thats who!
How many times are you going to copy and paste the same drivel ?

The next time there is a story about car parking you'll copy and paste the one about the council and NCP !

Then it'll be railways and network rail blah blah blah....

In future just post a link to your posts from the archive, do us all a favour.
So you don't like the lies to be found out as just that - LIES!! Just cause a stir and a fear - very much akin to the NAZI party of the 1930's when the recession took hold and the leader had to blame all the countries ill's on a group of its people!!!

Wake and realise that they are just lies and fear creations to cause trouble.

Truth is:
- Church number are falling
- Mosque numbers are increasing
- Number of children born in so-called Christian faiths are on the increase , especially as the number of Christenings is up over 60% over the last 5 years
- Number of children born in so-called Muslim/Islam faiths are on the decrease
- If fact the number of Muslim/Islam births equates to only 4% of all births in the borough!
- Number of Christian children attending Christian Church schools is increasing (good casing point is the continuing expansion plans of Thornleigh and Canon Slade)

All facts and figures taken from the most recent population surveys and statistics from the NHS and Department for Education! Rather more than just scare tactics and made up facts and figures with no proof as some like to use!
[quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gpdancu[/bold] wrote: This murderous cult is eroding Britain from within and most of the Brits just put their heads in the sand. Muslim birth rate is about 5 times as high as the British one, and only the influx of East-Europeans is helping to keep the balance. Romanians and Bulgarians, please come to Britain, we need your help!!!![/p][/quote]Proof or just more UKIP lies? I would bet all my possessions that it is the latter - just to scare people into voting for them!!! Did you know Muslims have been in this country just as long as Christianity? Or has that just slipped from your mind because all you hear about are churches closing due to lack of faith and Mosques opening due to increase of faith - whose fault is that???? Church goers for losing faith, thats who![/p][/quote]How many times are you going to copy and paste the same drivel ? The next time there is a story about car parking you'll copy and paste the one about the council and NCP ! Then it'll be railways and network rail blah blah blah.... In future just post a link to your posts from the archive, do us all a favour.[/p][/quote]So you don't like the lies to be found out as just that - LIES!! Just cause a stir and a fear - very much akin to the NAZI party of the 1930's when the recession took hold and the leader had to blame all the countries ill's on a group of its people!!! Wake and realise that they are just lies and fear creations to cause trouble. Truth is: - Church number are falling - Mosque numbers are increasing - Number of children born in so-called Christian faiths are on the increase , especially as the number of Christenings is up over 60% over the last 5 years - Number of children born in so-called Muslim/Islam faiths are on the decrease - If fact the number of Muslim/Islam births equates to only 4% of all births in the borough! - Number of Christian children attending Christian Church schools is increasing (good casing point is the continuing expansion plans of Thornleigh and Canon Slade) All facts and figures taken from the most recent population surveys and statistics from the NHS and Department for Education! Rather more than just scare tactics and made up facts and figures with no proof as some like to use! BWFC71
  • Score: 1

3:26pm Wed 15 Jan 14

FreedomOfSpeech1945 says...

BWFC71
BWFC71 FreedomOfSpeech1945
  • Score: 0

6:56pm Wed 15 Jan 14

formersoldier says...

Reality50 wrote:
If Miranda was at this march and has contact details for the organisers,i would hope she could maybe interview them this week and ask why women were not at this event. Also who made the decision to bar women from this event and to question Islam's view on equality of women generally.These questions need to be asked because pretty much any other group in the UK outside of Islamic ones,would have both sexes marching. The anti fracking demo in Salford yesterday a case in point or anti cuts demos or whatever. If a Muslim woman had turned up yesterday on the march in Great Lever what would have happened? Would she have been shunned? punished or welcomed by the 100% Muslim male throng? We need to know. BN journalists should get on the case.
Why do Muslims pray to a black stone in Mecca
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: If Miranda was at this march and has contact details for the organisers,i would hope she could maybe interview them this week and ask why women were not at this event. Also who made the decision to bar women from this event and to question Islam's view on equality of women generally.These questions need to be asked because pretty much any other group in the UK outside of Islamic ones,would have both sexes marching. The anti fracking demo in Salford yesterday a case in point or anti cuts demos or whatever. If a Muslim woman had turned up yesterday on the march in Great Lever what would have happened? Would she have been shunned? punished or welcomed by the 100% Muslim male throng? We need to know. BN journalists should get on the case.[/p][/quote]Why do Muslims pray to a black stone in Mecca formersoldier
  • Score: 0

7:03pm Wed 15 Jan 14

formersoldier says...

why do Muslims pray to a black stone
why do Muslims pray to a black stone formersoldier
  • Score: -1

7:36pm Wed 15 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

formersoldier wrote:
why do Muslims pray to a black stone
Why do us Christians pay to a bloke in a dress and has long hair?
[quote][p][bold]formersoldier[/bold] wrote: why do Muslims pray to a black stone[/p][/quote]Why do us Christians pay to a bloke in a dress and has long hair? BWFC71
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10:04pm Wed 15 Jan 14

George X says...

BWFC71 wrote:
formersoldier wrote:
why do Muslims pray to a black stone
Why do us Christians pay to a bloke in a dress and has long hair?
So your'e back to being a christian again then ? it was only last week you were agnostic and the week before that you were'nt religeous at all.
Make your'e mind up oh Righteous one !!
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]formersoldier[/bold] wrote: why do Muslims pray to a black stone[/p][/quote]Why do us Christians pay to a bloke in a dress and has long hair?[/p][/quote]So your'e back to being a christian again then ? it was only last week you were agnostic and the week before that you were'nt religeous at all. Make your'e mind up oh Righteous one !! George X
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5:53pm Thu 16 Jan 14

BWFC71 says...

George X wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
formersoldier wrote:
why do Muslims pray to a black stone
Why do us Christians pay to a bloke in a dress and has long hair?
So your'e back to being a christian again then ? it was only last week you were agnostic and the week before that you were'nt religeous at all.
Make your'e mind up oh Righteous one !!
have ALWAYS stated that I am Roman Catholic and went to Catholic schools but as I do not believe in religion I am following being agnostic.

Therefore what I said IS correct as I was Christened that makes me Christian, although I no longer follow the religion, or any other!
[quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]formersoldier[/bold] wrote: why do Muslims pray to a black stone[/p][/quote]Why do us Christians pay to a bloke in a dress and has long hair?[/p][/quote]So your'e back to being a christian again then ? it was only last week you were agnostic and the week before that you were'nt religeous at all. Make your'e mind up oh Righteous one !![/p][/quote]have ALWAYS stated that I am Roman Catholic and went to Catholic schools but as I do not believe in religion I am following being agnostic. Therefore what I said IS correct as I was Christened that makes me Christian, although I no longer follow the religion, or any other! BWFC71
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8:44am Fri 17 Jan 14

George X says...

BWFC71 wrote:
George X wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
formersoldier wrote:
why do Muslims pray to a black stone
Why do us Christians pay to a bloke in a dress and has long hair?
So your'e back to being a christian again then ? it was only last week you were agnostic and the week before that you were'nt religeous at all.
Make your'e mind up oh Righteous one !!
have ALWAYS stated that I am Roman Catholic and went to Catholic schools but as I do not believe in religion I am following being agnostic.

Therefore what I said IS correct as I was Christened that makes me Christian, although I no longer follow the religion, or any other!
But you said you pray to a bloke with long hair, SO if your'e praying to christ you are a christian.. ARE you not ?
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]George X[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]formersoldier[/bold] wrote: why do Muslims pray to a black stone[/p][/quote]Why do us Christians pay to a bloke in a dress and has long hair?[/p][/quote]So your'e back to being a christian again then ? it was only last week you were agnostic and the week before that you were'nt religeous at all. Make your'e mind up oh Righteous one !![/p][/quote]have ALWAYS stated that I am Roman Catholic and went to Catholic schools but as I do not believe in religion I am following being agnostic. Therefore what I said IS correct as I was Christened that makes me Christian, although I no longer follow the religion, or any other![/p][/quote]But you said you pray to a bloke with long hair, SO if your'e praying to christ you are a christian.. ARE you not ? George X
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