Crackdown on private hire vehicles in Hyndburn

PRIVATE hire taxi drivers in Hyndburn were caught breaching regulations during a recent crackdown in the borough.

Only Hackney carriages can pick fares up at the side of the road, or be flagged down, and Hyndburn Council launched a joint operation with the police after receiving a number of complaints about private hire drivers illegally touting for business.

During the operation a number of taxi drivers were reported for breaching regulations, and for driving without valid insurance.

Others were found to be driving taxis unfit for purpose, although the council refused to say how many drivers were caught.

PC Graham Hartley, community beat manager for Accrington Town Centre, said: “The message is clear, unless you have pre-booked the journey or are taking a taxi from a designated taxi rank, do not get in a mini-cab at the side of the road or try to flag one down.

“The taxi will not be insured, and so, if you do get into an accident, you won’t be able to claim."

Coun Chris Fisher, chair of hackney and private hire licensing, said: "I'm really proud of my licensing team, the police and not least the actors who took part.

“I observed the operation and everything went perfectly and was hugely successful.

“At this time we can't go into details because there are prosecutions pending, more will be released in due course.

“There is no doubt operators and drivers now know we mean business.

“Be assured public safety will always be our number one priority. We have many more operations like this planned in the very near future so rogue taxi drivers beware."

Coun Clare Pritchard added: “One of the aims of this operation was all about making sure that the travelling public are aware that any taxi they flag down can only be a hackney carriage and if they use private hire vehicles they need to ensure that the journey is pre booked, otherwise the vehicle will not be insured.

“We are not in a position to give exact figures as yet as we are still looking into some issues.”

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4:10pm Sat 28 Dec 13

You're not mugging me off that easily says...

Seems to be a rising trend across East Lancs. Just more evidence of how taxi drivers / operators think that rules don't apply to them.

Let's see how long it takes some mouth piece from the taxi union to come out and say they're being picked on etc blah blah blah.
Seems to be a rising trend across East Lancs. Just more evidence of how taxi drivers / operators think that rules don't apply to them. Let's see how long it takes some mouth piece from the taxi union to come out and say they're being picked on etc blah blah blah. You're not mugging me off that easily

4:32pm Sat 28 Dec 13

Copperhead says...

Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of the Highway Code and the Road Traffic Acts which are applicable to taxi-drivers only ? I expect they only consist of a couple of pages so should be easy to find.
Obviously I would need an English language version, rather than a copy in the original Urdu.
Does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of the Highway Code and the Road Traffic Acts which are applicable to taxi-drivers only ? I expect they only consist of a couple of pages so should be easy to find. Obviously I would need an English language version, rather than a copy in the original Urdu. Copperhead

5:08pm Sat 28 Dec 13

bigste says...

THIs is utter rot and I am not a taxi driver. If you flag a mini cab down it is not illegal. He will book your journey on his radio and it is then legal to take you anywhere you like. That is what happens and it;s all cosha.
THIs is utter rot and I am not a taxi driver. If you flag a mini cab down it is not illegal. He will book your journey on his radio and it is then legal to take you anywhere you like. That is what happens and it;s all cosha. bigste

5:20pm Sat 28 Dec 13

chas1948 says...

bigste is the one talking utter rot another barrack room lawyer getting it wrong
bigste is the one talking utter rot another barrack room lawyer getting it wrong chas1948

5:27pm Sat 28 Dec 13

ron1946 says...

bigste wrote:
THIs is utter rot and I am not a taxi driver. If you flag a mini cab down it is not illegal. He will book your journey on his radio and it is then legal to take you anywhere you like. That is what happens and it;s all cosha.
wrong bookings must be made in advance
[quote][p][bold]bigste[/bold] wrote: THIs is utter rot and I am not a taxi driver. If you flag a mini cab down it is not illegal. He will book your journey on his radio and it is then legal to take you anywhere you like. That is what happens and it;s all cosha.[/p][/quote]wrong bookings must be made in advance ron1946

5:30pm Sat 28 Dec 13

ron1946 says...

wrong bookings must be made in advance by phone or through an office
wrong bookings must be made in advance by phone or through an office ron1946

5:30pm Sat 28 Dec 13

whitevanman1 says...

Good to see Hyndburn Council taking action at last.
Hyndburn must have the worst fleet in Lancashire.
Maintenance is one thing that drivers and operators should stay on top of.
Won't be long before they throw their dummies out and start calling for strike action ! Lol
I say more of these checks and get the rogues off the roads !
Good to see Hyndburn Council taking action at last. Hyndburn must have the worst fleet in Lancashire. Maintenance is one thing that drivers and operators should stay on top of. Won't be long before they throw their dummies out and start calling for strike action ! Lol I say more of these checks and get the rogues off the roads ! whitevanman1

5:30pm Sat 28 Dec 13

Amcap says...

Did the crackdown include, taxi drivers smoking in their cabs, using mobile phones whilst driving, completing "U" turns when they feel like it. Parking on double yellow lines, the list is endless it's high time they were made to "Toe" the line and operate within the law and the speed limits. Drive down Ormerod street before 10am and you will find taxis double parked all the way down from top to bottom, just how many taxis can a small place like Accrington support ?? I wonder just how many there are registered with Hyndburn BC
Did the crackdown include, taxi drivers smoking in their cabs, using mobile phones whilst driving, completing "U" turns when they feel like it. Parking on double yellow lines, the list is endless it's high time they were made to "Toe" the line and operate within the law and the speed limits. Drive down Ormerod street before 10am and you will find taxis double parked all the way down from top to bottom, just how many taxis can a small place like Accrington support ?? I wonder just how many there are registered with Hyndburn BC Amcap

6:33pm Sat 28 Dec 13

Steve4x4 says...

The biggest hurdle here is to educate the public about the difference between private hire and a hackney carriage, it would make things a lot easier if hyndburn council acted on ensuring that all hackney carriages were hackney carriages and not saloon cars posing as hackney carriages, over twenty years ago the council said that they would enforce the law that all hackneys were of the austin fx4 type london cab but nothing ever came of this.
The biggest hurdle here is to educate the public about the difference between private hire and a hackney carriage, it would make things a lot easier if hyndburn council acted on ensuring that all hackney carriages were hackney carriages and not saloon cars posing as hackney carriages, over twenty years ago the council said that they would enforce the law that all hackneys were of the austin fx4 type london cab but nothing ever came of this. Steve4x4

7:40pm Sat 28 Dec 13

HarryBosch says...

bigste wrote:
THIs is utter rot and I am not a taxi driver. If you flag a mini cab down it is not illegal. He will book your journey on his radio and it is then legal to take you anywhere you like. That is what happens and it;s all cosha.
No big step - this is a loop hole that some private hire drivers try to exploit when they are caught. For clarity - there are two types of taxi i) Hackney Carriages and ii) Private Hire Vehicles. HC's will park on the ranks and can be flagged down. Private Hire Vehicles can only be booked over the phone with the taxi operator. If they have not been booked over the phone then, as the interviewee rightly says, you will not be insured if the vehicle is in an accident. What the unscrupulous drivers will do is when they pick up a flyer is book the job over the radio with the office and then claim it was pre booked. A clever ploy which makes it very difficult for the enforcement team which is probably why they say they cannot release any numbers yet.
[quote][p][bold]bigste[/bold] wrote: THIs is utter rot and I am not a taxi driver. If you flag a mini cab down it is not illegal. He will book your journey on his radio and it is then legal to take you anywhere you like. That is what happens and it;s all cosha.[/p][/quote]No big step - this is a loop hole that some private hire drivers try to exploit when they are caught. For clarity - there are two types of taxi i) Hackney Carriages and ii) Private Hire Vehicles. HC's will park on the ranks and can be flagged down. Private Hire Vehicles can only be booked over the phone with the taxi operator. If they have not been booked over the phone then, as the interviewee rightly says, you will not be insured if the vehicle is in an accident. What the unscrupulous drivers will do is when they pick up a flyer is book the job over the radio with the office and then claim it was pre booked. A clever ploy which makes it very difficult for the enforcement team which is probably why they say they cannot release any numbers yet. HarryBosch

7:54pm Sat 28 Dec 13

Amcap says...

It would be interesting to walk along Union street in Accrington and see how many of the taxis parked there carry "Hackney licence plates. The crackdown is not before time.
It would be interesting to walk along Union street in Accrington and see how many of the taxis parked there carry "Hackney licence plates. The crackdown is not before time. Amcap

8:50pm Sat 28 Dec 13

You're not mugging me off that easily says...

bigste wrote:
THIs is utter rot and I am not a taxi driver. If you flag a mini cab down it is not illegal. He will book your journey on his radio and it is then legal to take you anywhere you like. That is what happens and it;s all cosha.
No it isn't, it's illegal. Give the taxi enforcement officer a ring and ask him.
[quote][p][bold]bigste[/bold] wrote: THIs is utter rot and I am not a taxi driver. If you flag a mini cab down it is not illegal. He will book your journey on his radio and it is then legal to take you anywhere you like. That is what happens and it;s all cosha.[/p][/quote]No it isn't, it's illegal. Give the taxi enforcement officer a ring and ask him. You're not mugging me off that easily

10:24pm Sat 28 Dec 13

patriotno1 says...

first of all i would like to say "well done hyndburn council".and also to thank the production team of the fat and the useless.also hyndburn rent a wreck ltd,and michael caine,ray winston,and the cast of........two.and the stuntmen who risked life and limb to stop the cars at traffic lights,not exceed speed limits,and made the journey a car ride not a white knuckle ride. the highlight is when ray winston,who by the way who is from hackney,and michael caine,tells them the dangers and consequences of not having insurance.only one did not take heed and boom the all thing went up.then michael caine says "you were only supposed to blow the blxxxy dors off.
first of all i would like to say "well done hyndburn council".and also to thank the production team of the fat and the useless.also hyndburn rent a wreck ltd,and michael caine,ray winston,and the cast of........two.and the stuntmen who risked life and limb to stop the cars at traffic lights,not exceed speed limits,and made the journey a car ride not a white knuckle ride. the highlight is when ray winston,who by the way who is from hackney,and michael caine,tells them the dangers and consequences of not having insurance.only one did not take heed and boom the all thing went up.then michael caine says "you were only supposed to blow the blxxxy dors off. patriotno1

10:34pm Sat 28 Dec 13

patriotno1 says...

from red vin diesal bout time.scam.scam.after
s cam.
from red vin diesal bout time.scam.scam.after s cam. patriotno1

1:13am Sun 29 Dec 13

hunter3062 says...

Private Hire Vehicles cannot ply for hire in the street or at taxi ranks. Journeys must be pre-booked, by phone or in person at an operator's office (cab office). Failure to do so is an offence and invalidates the vehicle's insurance cover.

The Council does not regulate fares for Private Hire Vehicles - the cost of a journey will normally be based on a rate per mile or should be agreed with the company before the journey.

Several laws affect proprietors and vehicles but the main Acts of Parliament covering the licensing of Private Hire Vehicles are contained in Part II of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976. This Act states we cannot limit the number of Private Hire Vehicle Licences.

Once you have been granted a Private Hire Driver's licence and been issued with a badge, you may then licence your own vehicle for use as a Private Hire Vehicle.

The vehicle must comply with the following conditions:

Be capable of carrying at least 4 but no more than 8 passengers
Have a minimum of 4 opening doors
Have seats, floor covering and roof linings maintained in a clean condition and be free of tears and cuts (vehicle specification)
Carry an approved Fire Extinguisher and First Aid Kit

Hyndburn Borough Council has an age restriction for first time licensed vehicles. The vehicle must be under the age of seven from the date of first registration when the vehicle is first licensed, not when the vehicle is MOT tested. During the MOT test the vehicle is subject to stringent mechanical checks by our authorised testers at our Council Vehicle Maintenance Unit (CVMU) in addition to normal MOT requirements.

The test will be carried out on payment of the fee to the garage and, if your vehicle passes, you will be issued with a Certificate of Compliance and Exemption (MOT Certificate). Any appointment made with the garage and subsequently not kept, or a vehicle arriving late for test may incur an additional charge.

The vehicle is then tested every six months until it reaches the age of seven and then tested every four months until the age of eight. At age ten, the vehicle will be too old to be a licensed Private Hire vehicle in Hyndburn.

Also, the vehicles are subject to safety checks at any time by the police, licencing enforcement or VOSA, who have powers to suspend or prohibit vehicles that are found to be defective.
Private Hire Vehicles cannot ply for hire in the street or at taxi ranks. Journeys must be pre-booked, by phone or in person at an operator's office (cab office). Failure to do so is an offence and invalidates the vehicle's insurance cover. The Council does not regulate fares for Private Hire Vehicles - the cost of a journey will normally be based on a rate per mile or should be agreed with the company before the journey. Several laws affect proprietors and vehicles but the main Acts of Parliament covering the licensing of Private Hire Vehicles are contained in Part II of the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976. This Act states we cannot limit the number of Private Hire Vehicle Licences. Once you have been granted a Private Hire Driver's licence and been issued with a badge, you may then licence your own vehicle for use as a Private Hire Vehicle. The vehicle must comply with the following conditions: Be capable of carrying at least 4 but no more than 8 passengers Have a minimum of 4 opening doors Have seats, floor covering and roof linings maintained in a clean condition and be free of tears and cuts (vehicle specification) Carry an approved Fire Extinguisher and First Aid Kit Hyndburn Borough Council has an age restriction for first time licensed vehicles. The vehicle must be under the age of seven from the date of first registration when the vehicle is first licensed, not when the vehicle is MOT tested. During the MOT test the vehicle is subject to stringent mechanical checks by our authorised testers at our Council Vehicle Maintenance Unit (CVMU) in addition to normal MOT requirements. The test will be carried out on payment of the fee to the garage and, if your vehicle passes, you will be issued with a Certificate of Compliance and Exemption (MOT Certificate). Any appointment made with the garage and subsequently not kept, or a vehicle arriving late for test may incur an additional charge. The vehicle is then tested every six months until it reaches the age of seven and then tested every four months until the age of eight. At age ten, the vehicle will be too old to be a licensed Private Hire vehicle in Hyndburn. Also, the vehicles are subject to safety checks at any time by the police, licencing enforcement or VOSA, who have powers to suspend or prohibit vehicles that are found to be defective. hunter3062

8:31am Sun 29 Dec 13

mys says...

About the publics safety came first instead of the taxi drivers, I'm sorry but half the cars aren't even road worthy, seat belts don't fasten, knocking wheels etc,I know they need to make a living but at what cost eh ??? Someone's life.
About the publics safety came first instead of the taxi drivers, I'm sorry but half the cars aren't even road worthy, seat belts don't fasten, knocking wheels etc,I know they need to make a living but at what cost eh ??? Someone's life. mys

8:41am Sun 29 Dec 13

bigste says...

Nice to see I've stirred something up here. What is prebooked? As far as I'm aware it is not defined. Must it be prebooked by a certain time or something else. I don't thing so. I'd be surprised if this ever gets enforced in a court. In my opinion it is down to interpretation and obviously the licensing will interpret differently than the driver or even a court.
Nice to see I've stirred something up here. What is prebooked? As far as I'm aware it is not defined. Must it be prebooked by a certain time or something else. I don't thing so. I'd be surprised if this ever gets enforced in a court. In my opinion it is down to interpretation and obviously the licensing will interpret differently than the driver or even a court. bigste

9:34am Sun 29 Dec 13

You're not mugging me off that easily says...

bigste wrote:
Nice to see I've stirred something up here. What is prebooked? As far as I'm aware it is not defined. Must it be prebooked by a certain time or something else. I don't thing so. I'd be surprised if this ever gets enforced in a court. In my opinion it is down to interpretation and obviously the licensing will interpret differently than the driver or even a court.
Taxi driver Bigste.
[quote][p][bold]bigste[/bold] wrote: Nice to see I've stirred something up here. What is prebooked? As far as I'm aware it is not defined. Must it be prebooked by a certain time or something else. I don't thing so. I'd be surprised if this ever gets enforced in a court. In my opinion it is down to interpretation and obviously the licensing will interpret differently than the driver or even a court.[/p][/quote]Taxi driver Bigste. You're not mugging me off that easily

9:54am Sun 29 Dec 13

Amcap says...

Oxford Dictionaries
Definition of pre-book in English
pre-book
verb
(usually as adjective pre-booked)

book (something) in advance !!!
Oxford Dictionaries Definition of pre-book in English pre-book verb [with object] (usually as adjective pre-booked) book (something) in advance !!! Amcap

10:46am Sun 29 Dec 13

HarryBosch says...

bigste wrote:
Nice to see I've stirred something up here. What is prebooked? As far as I'm aware it is not defined. Must it be prebooked by a certain time or something else. I don't thing so. I'd be surprised if this ever gets enforced in a court. In my opinion it is down to interpretation and obviously the licensing will interpret differently than the driver or even a court.
It's quite simple really, if you haven't rang the taxi office to book a taxi then it's not been pre booked has it. You cannot approach a private hire taxi in the street and ask him to take you somewhere. A private hire driver cannot take a passenger off the street unless his office has sent him on the job.
I agree with muggers, you sound like a private hire driver looking for a way to circumvent the system. There is no place in the industry for such people. Any driver who is caught breaking the law is at risk of losing their licence.
[quote][p][bold]bigste[/bold] wrote: Nice to see I've stirred something up here. What is prebooked? As far as I'm aware it is not defined. Must it be prebooked by a certain time or something else. I don't thing so. I'd be surprised if this ever gets enforced in a court. In my opinion it is down to interpretation and obviously the licensing will interpret differently than the driver or even a court.[/p][/quote]It's quite simple really, if you haven't rang the taxi office to book a taxi then it's not been pre booked has it. You cannot approach a private hire taxi in the street and ask him to take you somewhere. A private hire driver cannot take a passenger off the street unless his office has sent him on the job. I agree with muggers, you sound like a private hire driver looking for a way to circumvent the system. There is no place in the industry for such people. Any driver who is caught breaking the law is at risk of losing their licence. HarryBosch

11:48pm Sun 29 Dec 13

hunter3062 says...

bigste wrote:
Nice to see I've stirred something up here. What is prebooked? As far as I'm aware it is not defined. Must it be prebooked by a certain time or something else. I don't thing so. I'd be surprised if this ever gets enforced in a court. In my opinion it is down to interpretation and obviously the licensing will interpret differently than the driver or even a court.
Private Hire Vehicles cannot ply for hire in the street or at taxi ranks. Journeys must be pre-booked, by phone or in person at an operator's office (cab office). Failure to do so is an offence and invalidates the vehicle's insurance cover...read uncle nobead...posted full article as per the law...
[quote][p][bold]bigste[/bold] wrote: Nice to see I've stirred something up here. What is prebooked? As far as I'm aware it is not defined. Must it be prebooked by a certain time or something else. I don't thing so. I'd be surprised if this ever gets enforced in a court. In my opinion it is down to interpretation and obviously the licensing will interpret differently than the driver or even a court.[/p][/quote]Private Hire Vehicles cannot ply for hire in the street or at taxi ranks. Journeys must be pre-booked, by phone or in person at an operator's office (cab office). Failure to do so is an offence and invalidates the vehicle's insurance cover...read uncle nobead...posted full article as per the law... hunter3062

9:32am Mon 30 Dec 13

Amcap says...

mys wrote:
About the publics safety came first instead of the taxi drivers, I'm sorry but half the cars aren't even road worthy, seat belts don't fasten, knocking wheels etc,I know they need to make a living but at what cost eh ??? Someone's life.
If that is the case then don't use the taxis, if you get in one and the seat belts will not fasten, get out of the taxi giving your reason, take the taxi licence plate ref. number and report it to HBC, that way HBC will be more aware of the problem of taxis that are not roadworthy. Anyone any idea just how many taxis there are in lets just say Accrington ?
[quote][p][bold]mys[/bold] wrote: About the publics safety came first instead of the taxi drivers, I'm sorry but half the cars aren't even road worthy, seat belts don't fasten, knocking wheels etc,I know they need to make a living but at what cost eh ??? Someone's life.[/p][/quote]If that is the case then don't use the taxis, if you get in one and the seat belts will not fasten, get out of the taxi giving your reason, take the taxi licence plate ref. number and report it to HBC, that way HBC will be more aware of the problem of taxis that are not roadworthy. Anyone any idea just how many taxis there are in lets just say Accrington ? Amcap

11:58am Mon 30 Dec 13

HarryBosch says...

FYI Am cap - all councils are required by law to keep an up to date register of taxi drivers and operators. That register is to be kept at its offices for public inspection. In other words you or anybody else can go into the offices on Cannon Street and demand to see the register.
FYI Am cap - all councils are required by law to keep an up to date register of taxi drivers and operators. That register is to be kept at its offices for public inspection. In other words you or anybody else can go into the offices on Cannon Street and demand to see the register. HarryBosch

3:12pm Mon 30 Dec 13

churchman says...

amcap-max cabs have over 200 cabs on the road,there is a big poster on the side of a building at intack stating this,plus there are more taxi firms in hyndburn.far to many for the population of hyndburn,thats why they break every rule in the highway code,because of the dog eat dog situation.its everyman for themselves
amcap-max cabs have over 200 cabs on the road,there is a big poster on the side of a building at intack stating this,plus there are more taxi firms in hyndburn.far to many for the population of hyndburn,thats why they break every rule in the highway code,because of the dog eat dog situation.its everyman for themselves churchman

3:40pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Amcap says...

HarryBosch wrote:
FYI Am cap - all councils are required by law to keep an up to date register of taxi drivers and operators. That register is to be kept at its offices for public inspection. In other words you or anybody else can go into the offices on Cannon Street and demand to see the register.
That may be so, however if there are taxis out there with defective seat belts as indicated by "mys" in that post, then the records at Cannon street can not be up to date, that is why I suggested that the taxis with defective seat belts or any other defective part be reported, then HBC's records would be up to date, and they could do something about the problem.
[quote][p][bold]HarryBosch[/bold] wrote: FYI Am cap - all councils are required by law to keep an up to date register of taxi drivers and operators. That register is to be kept at its offices for public inspection. In other words you or anybody else can go into the offices on Cannon Street and demand to see the register.[/p][/quote]That may be so, however if there are taxis out there with defective seat belts as indicated by "mys" in that post, then the records at Cannon street can not be up to date, that is why I suggested that the taxis with defective seat belts or any other defective part be reported, then HBC's records would be up to date, and they could do something about the problem. Amcap

3:51pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Amcap says...

churchman wrote:
amcap-max cabs have over 200 cabs on the road,there is a big poster on the side of a building at intack stating this,plus there are more taxi firms in hyndburn.far to many for the population of hyndburn,thats why they break every rule in the highway code,because of the dog eat dog situation.its everyman for themselves
If that is the case then Hyndburn Council should do something about it don't you think.
[quote][p][bold]churchman[/bold] wrote: amcap-max cabs have over 200 cabs on the road,there is a big poster on the side of a building at intack stating this,plus there are more taxi firms in hyndburn.far to many for the population of hyndburn,thats why they break every rule in the highway code,because of the dog eat dog situation.its everyman for themselves[/p][/quote]If that is the case then Hyndburn Council should do something about it don't you think. Amcap

3:09pm Tue 31 Dec 13

dan8080 says...

Driving from job to job very quickly
Driving from job to job very quickly dan8080

3:53pm Tue 31 Dec 13

Amcap says...

dan8080 wrote:
Driving from job to job very quickly
Keep up the good work, but drive safely !!!
[quote][p][bold]dan8080[/bold] wrote: Driving from job to job very quickly[/p][/quote]Keep up the good work, but drive safely !!! Amcap

7:12pm Wed 1 Jan 14

K14shs says...

If people are so negative about taxis and taxi drivers why don't they use buses instead. I'm sure buses are cleaner, safer, better driven, convenient and you don't have to pre book.

People should try this then report back, I for one will be most interested in their experiences.

I would also like Pritchard or any other jobsworth from the council to explain to me how a taxi carrying a passenger in a defective vehicle is different from a safety perspective to a father carrying his family in a defective vehicle. In my opinion there is no difference between the two, so surely the council should target all vehicles carrying passengers not just taxi drivers.
If people are so negative about taxis and taxi drivers why don't they use buses instead. I'm sure buses are cleaner, safer, better driven, convenient and you don't have to pre book. People should try this then report back, I for one will be most interested in their experiences. I would also like Pritchard or any other jobsworth from the council to explain to me how a taxi carrying a passenger in a defective vehicle is different from a safety perspective to a father carrying his family in a defective vehicle. In my opinion there is no difference between the two, so surely the council should target all vehicles carrying passengers not just taxi drivers. K14shs

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