Drunk terrorised cancer patient in Burnley

A DRUNK who terrorised his cancer patient partner attempted to strangle her and then phoned the police and said he had tried to kill her, a court heard.

Burnley Crown Court was told how Howard Hudson, 48, had also put a knife to petrified Karen Girdler's chest in the sustained violence at their Hobart Street home in the town.

Ms Girdler told him: "You love me. You don't want to do this." Hudson's response was: "I'm going to kill you. This needs to happen. You and I are going to die."

The six-and-a half stone victim, who genuinely believed she was living her last moments, managed to get away and went upstairs.

The defendant called the police and then wrapped her handbag around his fist, like a boxing glove, and repeatedly hit her over the head. Police arrived and Hudson told them: "It's me you're after. I tried to kill Karen. She's upstairs."

Hudson, a former lab technician, now of no fixed address, had admitted making a threat to kill and assault causing actual bodily harm. He was locked up for nine months.

Stephen Parker, prosecuting, said at the time the defendant and victim were partners and had been in a relationship for just over a year.

They had got a house together, but within about a month, Hudson had moved out. He continued to stay there periodically. Part of the problem was Hudson's drinking, for which he was supposed to be receiving help, but wasn't.

Mr Parker said in the weeks leading up to the attack, he had started to become violent towards the victim, particularly when he had had a drink. About three weeks before, she had been diagnosed with ovarian cancer, which appeared to have put added strain on the relationship.

On November 6, the two of them had had a few drinks in town, the defendant carried on drinking after they returned home at about 10.30pm and they argued.

Ms Girdler went upstairs to get away, he followed, the row continued, but eventually he went back down and she fell asleep. When she woke up an hour or so later, she thought he had probably left, went down to the kitchen to get some water and the defendant went towards her, grabbed her by the throat and pulled her to the floor.

The defendant had a previous conviction for pulling a knife on some youths in drink in 2007.

Mark Stuart, for Hudson, said there had been no previous reports of domestic violence, no call outs by the police.

Sentencing, Judge Beverley Lunt said the defendant was not a dangerous offender. She told Hudson:"It was a very frightening experience for this woman. Your only explanation is excessive drink."

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8:45pm Sun 22 Dec 13

You're not mugging me off that easily says...

Well 'ard he is !
Well 'ard he is ! You're not mugging me off that easily

9:18pm Sun 22 Dec 13

noddy57 says...

bully boy who has never grown up,,the lady should get shut ASAP, he,s a complete loser,
bully boy who has never grown up,,the lady should get shut ASAP, he,s a complete loser, noddy57

9:40pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Sajdin says...

Drink involved again, ban alcohol...
Drink involved again, ban alcohol... Sajdin

10:51pm Sun 22 Dec 13

Stone Island: says...

You're not mugging me off that easily wrote:
Well 'ard he is !
It's probably that knobber, WLUV.
[quote][p][bold]You're not mugging me off that easily[/bold] wrote: Well 'ard he is ![/p][/quote]It's probably that knobber, WLUV. Stone Island:

8:23am Mon 23 Dec 13

Lancs Away says...

I know another knobber like that....psycho with drink, actually psycho full stop batters women, would love to name and shame....
I know another knobber like that....psycho with drink, actually psycho full stop batters women, would love to name and shame.... Lancs Away

8:38am Mon 23 Dec 13

DaveBurnley says...

Sajdin wrote:
Drink involved again, ban alcohol...
It's so easy to blame drink, to make it an excuse. Sometimes drink is involved but very often violence is used when no drink is involved, some people just cannot control their temper.
[quote][p][bold]Sajdin[/bold] wrote: Drink involved again, ban alcohol...[/p][/quote]It's so easy to blame drink, to make it an excuse. Sometimes drink is involved but very often violence is used when no drink is involved, some people just cannot control their temper. DaveBurnley

9:47am Mon 23 Dec 13

You're not mugging me off that easily says...

Sajdin wrote:
Drink involved again, ban alcohol...
Not everybody turns into a bellend after drinking alcohol so your "suggestion" is a bit narrow minded.

It's a bit like saying all English Pakistani males between 18-40 groom young white girls.
[quote][p][bold]Sajdin[/bold] wrote: Drink involved again, ban alcohol...[/p][/quote]Not everybody turns into a bellend after drinking alcohol so your "suggestion" is a bit narrow minded. It's a bit like saying all English Pakistani males between 18-40 groom young white girls. You're not mugging me off that easily

5:20pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Sajdin says...

You're not mugging me off that easily wrote:
Sajdin wrote:
Drink involved again, ban alcohol...
Not everybody turns into a bellend after drinking alcohol so your "suggestion" is a bit narrow minded.

It's a bit like saying all English Pakistani males between 18-40 groom young white girls.
You say my suggestion is narrow minded, I think its you who is narrow minded. You tried to do a comparison between something which is illegal to something which is not, thats just stupidity.

And in no where, I claimed that all drinkers turn into bellend after drinking, I merely pointed out that drink was a factor in this case and I am sure without it, it may not have happened.

Whether you like it or not, but alcohol has a big impact on this country in the bad way, and yes its caused by the minority of drinkers.
[quote][p][bold]You're not mugging me off that easily[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sajdin[/bold] wrote: Drink involved again, ban alcohol...[/p][/quote]Not everybody turns into a bellend after drinking alcohol so your "suggestion" is a bit narrow minded. It's a bit like saying all English Pakistani males between 18-40 groom young white girls.[/p][/quote]You say my suggestion is narrow minded, I think its you who is narrow minded. You tried to do a comparison between something which is illegal to something which is not, thats just stupidity. And in no where, I claimed that all drinkers turn into bellend after drinking, I merely pointed out that drink was a factor in this case and I am sure without it, it may not have happened. Whether you like it or not, but alcohol has a big impact on this country in the bad way, and yes its caused by the minority of drinkers. Sajdin

5:22pm Mon 23 Dec 13

Sajdin says...

DaveBurnley wrote:
Sajdin wrote:
Drink involved again, ban alcohol...
It's so easy to blame drink, to make it an excuse. Sometimes drink is involved but very often violence is used when no drink is involved, some people just cannot control their temper.
I do not for one second believe that violence may still happen without drink. It is more likely that drink causing most of these to turn into violence, without alcohol, this country would see a reduction in violence, reduction in domestic abuse, reduction in child abuse, reduction in criminal damage, reduction on the pressures on the NHS, Police and Ambulance services.

Yes it would mean the law abiding people would have to give up alcohol, but that wouldn't kill you, or would it?
[quote][p][bold]DaveBurnley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sajdin[/bold] wrote: Drink involved again, ban alcohol...[/p][/quote]It's so easy to blame drink, to make it an excuse. Sometimes drink is involved but very often violence is used when no drink is involved, some people just cannot control their temper.[/p][/quote]I do not for one second believe that violence may still happen without drink. It is more likely that drink causing most of these to turn into violence, without alcohol, this country would see a reduction in violence, reduction in domestic abuse, reduction in child abuse, reduction in criminal damage, reduction on the pressures on the NHS, Police and Ambulance services. Yes it would mean the law abiding people would have to give up alcohol, but that wouldn't kill you, or would it? Sajdin

9:35pm Mon 23 Dec 13

You're not mugging me off that easily says...

Sajdin wrote:
You're not mugging me off that easily wrote:
Sajdin wrote:
Drink involved again, ban alcohol...
Not everybody turns into a bellend after drinking alcohol so your "suggestion" is a bit narrow minded.

It's a bit like saying all English Pakistani males between 18-40 groom young white girls.
You say my suggestion is narrow minded, I think its you who is narrow minded. You tried to do a comparison between something which is illegal to something which is not, thats just stupidity.

And in no where, I claimed that all drinkers turn into bellend after drinking, I merely pointed out that drink was a factor in this case and I am sure without it, it may not have happened.

Whether you like it or not, but alcohol has a big impact on this country in the bad way, and yes its caused by the minority of drinkers.
You are stating that all alcohol should be banned. I am saying that this statement is as stupid and narrow minded as somebody saying that all Muslim men aged 18-40 groom white girls. I am drawing a comparison between 2 stupid sweeping statements that might be made by thick people who have no tolerance or informed opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Sajdin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]You're not mugging me off that easily[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sajdin[/bold] wrote: Drink involved again, ban alcohol...[/p][/quote]Not everybody turns into a bellend after drinking alcohol so your "suggestion" is a bit narrow minded. It's a bit like saying all English Pakistani males between 18-40 groom young white girls.[/p][/quote]You say my suggestion is narrow minded, I think its you who is narrow minded. You tried to do a comparison between something which is illegal to something which is not, thats just stupidity. And in no where, I claimed that all drinkers turn into bellend after drinking, I merely pointed out that drink was a factor in this case and I am sure without it, it may not have happened. Whether you like it or not, but alcohol has a big impact on this country in the bad way, and yes its caused by the minority of drinkers.[/p][/quote]You are stating that all alcohol should be banned. I am saying that this statement is as stupid and narrow minded as somebody saying that all Muslim men aged 18-40 groom white girls. I am drawing a comparison between 2 stupid sweeping statements that might be made by thick people who have no tolerance or informed opinion. You're not mugging me off that easily

9:36pm Mon 23 Dec 13

You're not mugging me off that easily says...

You're not mugging me off that easily wrote:
Sajdin wrote:
You're not mugging me off that easily wrote:
Sajdin wrote:
Drink involved again, ban alcohol...
Not everybody turns into a bellend after drinking alcohol so your "suggestion" is a bit narrow minded.

It's a bit like saying all English Pakistani males between 18-40 groom young white girls.
You say my suggestion is narrow minded, I think its you who is narrow minded. You tried to do a comparison between something which is illegal to something which is not, thats just stupidity.

And in no where, I claimed that all drinkers turn into bellend after drinking, I merely pointed out that drink was a factor in this case and I am sure without it, it may not have happened.

Whether you like it or not, but alcohol has a big impact on this country in the bad way, and yes its caused by the minority of drinkers.
You are stating that all alcohol should be banned. I am saying that this statement is as stupid and narrow minded as somebody saying that all Muslim men aged 18-40 groom white girls. I am drawing a comparison between 2 stupid sweeping statements that might be made by thick people who have no tolerance or informed opinion.
And judging by your comment on the Burnley seige story you are indeed clearly thick, stupid and extremely intolerant.
[quote][p][bold]You're not mugging me off that easily[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sajdin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]You're not mugging me off that easily[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sajdin[/bold] wrote: Drink involved again, ban alcohol...[/p][/quote]Not everybody turns into a bellend after drinking alcohol so your "suggestion" is a bit narrow minded. It's a bit like saying all English Pakistani males between 18-40 groom young white girls.[/p][/quote]You say my suggestion is narrow minded, I think its you who is narrow minded. You tried to do a comparison between something which is illegal to something which is not, thats just stupidity. And in no where, I claimed that all drinkers turn into bellend after drinking, I merely pointed out that drink was a factor in this case and I am sure without it, it may not have happened. Whether you like it or not, but alcohol has a big impact on this country in the bad way, and yes its caused by the minority of drinkers.[/p][/quote]You are stating that all alcohol should be banned. I am saying that this statement is as stupid and narrow minded as somebody saying that all Muslim men aged 18-40 groom white girls. I am drawing a comparison between 2 stupid sweeping statements that might be made by thick people who have no tolerance or informed opinion.[/p][/quote]And judging by your comment on the Burnley seige story you are indeed clearly thick, stupid and extremely intolerant. You're not mugging me off that easily

8:01am Tue 24 Dec 13

andy1 says...

Sajdin wrote:
Drink involved again, ban alcohol...
They tried that during Prohibition in the USA in the 20s. It had quite the opposite and was run by gangsters. I am not Muslim nor any major religion please do not try to put your customs on myself. I respect your beliefs we are not all the majority violent after a pint or two.
[quote][p][bold]Sajdin[/bold] wrote: Drink involved again, ban alcohol...[/p][/quote]They tried that during Prohibition in the USA in the 20s. It had quite the opposite and was run by gangsters. I am not Muslim nor any major religion please do not try to put your customs on myself. I respect your beliefs we are not all the majority violent after a pint or two. andy1

7:34pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Sajdin says...

You're not mugging me off that easily wrote:
Sajdin wrote:
You're not mugging me off that easily wrote:
Sajdin wrote:
Drink involved again, ban alcohol...
Not everybody turns into a bellend after drinking alcohol so your "suggestion" is a bit narrow minded.

It's a bit like saying all English Pakistani males between 18-40 groom young white girls.
You say my suggestion is narrow minded, I think its you who is narrow minded. You tried to do a comparison between something which is illegal to something which is not, thats just stupidity.

And in no where, I claimed that all drinkers turn into bellend after drinking, I merely pointed out that drink was a factor in this case and I am sure without it, it may not have happened.

Whether you like it or not, but alcohol has a big impact on this country in the bad way, and yes its caused by the minority of drinkers.
You are stating that all alcohol should be banned. I am saying that this statement is as stupid and narrow minded as somebody saying that all Muslim men aged 18-40 groom white girls. I am drawing a comparison between 2 stupid sweeping statements that might be made by thick people who have no tolerance or informed opinion.
Anybody who thinks alcohol being banned is stupid, banning it would do alot of good in this country, where you like it or not.
[quote][p][bold]You're not mugging me off that easily[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sajdin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]You're not mugging me off that easily[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sajdin[/bold] wrote: Drink involved again, ban alcohol...[/p][/quote]Not everybody turns into a bellend after drinking alcohol so your "suggestion" is a bit narrow minded. It's a bit like saying all English Pakistani males between 18-40 groom young white girls.[/p][/quote]You say my suggestion is narrow minded, I think its you who is narrow minded. You tried to do a comparison between something which is illegal to something which is not, thats just stupidity. And in no where, I claimed that all drinkers turn into bellend after drinking, I merely pointed out that drink was a factor in this case and I am sure without it, it may not have happened. Whether you like it or not, but alcohol has a big impact on this country in the bad way, and yes its caused by the minority of drinkers.[/p][/quote]You are stating that all alcohol should be banned. I am saying that this statement is as stupid and narrow minded as somebody saying that all Muslim men aged 18-40 groom white girls. I am drawing a comparison between 2 stupid sweeping statements that might be made by thick people who have no tolerance or informed opinion.[/p][/quote]Anybody who thinks alcohol being banned is stupid, banning it would do alot of good in this country, where you like it or not. Sajdin

7:36pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Sajdin says...

andy1 wrote:
Sajdin wrote:
Drink involved again, ban alcohol...
They tried that during Prohibition in the USA in the 20s. It had quite the opposite and was run by gangsters. I am not Muslim nor any major religion please do not try to put your customs on myself. I respect your beliefs we are not all the majority violent after a pint or two.
When have I tried to put my customs onto you? Nobody is forcing you to be Muslim. I have made it clear in the past, my opinion on alcohol is not religious driven but rather the affects I have seen it has on people and the consequences of these actions.

The amount of money going down the drain in response to alcohol drinkers is a joke.

If the minority who spoil it for the majority, behaved themselves, then I have no problem with it, a minority of people would abuse drugs, but yet that is banned, and alcohol does more damage.
[quote][p][bold]andy1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sajdin[/bold] wrote: Drink involved again, ban alcohol...[/p][/quote]They tried that during Prohibition in the USA in the 20s. It had quite the opposite and was run by gangsters. I am not Muslim nor any major religion please do not try to put your customs on myself. I respect your beliefs we are not all the majority violent after a pint or two.[/p][/quote]When have I tried to put my customs onto you? Nobody is forcing you to be Muslim. I have made it clear in the past, my opinion on alcohol is not religious driven but rather the affects I have seen it has on people and the consequences of these actions. The amount of money going down the drain in response to alcohol drinkers is a joke. If the minority who spoil it for the majority, behaved themselves, then I have no problem with it, a minority of people would abuse drugs, but yet that is banned, and alcohol does more damage. Sajdin

7:39pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Sajdin says...

You're not mugging me off that easily wrote:
You're not mugging me off that easily wrote:
Sajdin wrote:
You're not mugging me off that easily wrote:
Sajdin wrote:
Drink involved again, ban alcohol...
Not everybody turns into a bellend after drinking alcohol so your "suggestion" is a bit narrow minded.

It's a bit like saying all English Pakistani males between 18-40 groom young white girls.
You say my suggestion is narrow minded, I think its you who is narrow minded. You tried to do a comparison between something which is illegal to something which is not, thats just stupidity.

And in no where, I claimed that all drinkers turn into bellend after drinking, I merely pointed out that drink was a factor in this case and I am sure without it, it may not have happened.

Whether you like it or not, but alcohol has a big impact on this country in the bad way, and yes its caused by the minority of drinkers.
You are stating that all alcohol should be banned. I am saying that this statement is as stupid and narrow minded as somebody saying that all Muslim men aged 18-40 groom white girls. I am drawing a comparison between 2 stupid sweeping statements that might be made by thick people who have no tolerance or informed opinion.
And judging by your comment on the Burnley seige story you are indeed clearly thick, stupid and extremely intolerant.
Its a shame they have deleted the comments on that article. Why was my comment clearly thick, stupid and extremely intolerant? I merely suggested that the family involved were likely to a white family.

The same suggestions made by others, when incidents occur and Asians are presumed to be involved.

You seem tolerant when this happens, but intolerant, when the table turns.....
[quote][p][bold]You're not mugging me off that easily[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]You're not mugging me off that easily[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sajdin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]You're not mugging me off that easily[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sajdin[/bold] wrote: Drink involved again, ban alcohol...[/p][/quote]Not everybody turns into a bellend after drinking alcohol so your "suggestion" is a bit narrow minded. It's a bit like saying all English Pakistani males between 18-40 groom young white girls.[/p][/quote]You say my suggestion is narrow minded, I think its you who is narrow minded. You tried to do a comparison between something which is illegal to something which is not, thats just stupidity. And in no where, I claimed that all drinkers turn into bellend after drinking, I merely pointed out that drink was a factor in this case and I am sure without it, it may not have happened. Whether you like it or not, but alcohol has a big impact on this country in the bad way, and yes its caused by the minority of drinkers.[/p][/quote]You are stating that all alcohol should be banned. I am saying that this statement is as stupid and narrow minded as somebody saying that all Muslim men aged 18-40 groom white girls. I am drawing a comparison between 2 stupid sweeping statements that might be made by thick people who have no tolerance or informed opinion.[/p][/quote]And judging by your comment on the Burnley seige story you are indeed clearly thick, stupid and extremely intolerant.[/p][/quote]Its a shame they have deleted the comments on that article. Why was my comment clearly thick, stupid and extremely intolerant? I merely suggested that the family involved were likely to a white family. The same suggestions made by others, when incidents occur and Asians are presumed to be involved. You seem tolerant when this happens, but intolerant, when the table turns..... Sajdin

8:03pm Tue 24 Dec 13

DaveBurnley says...

Sajdin wrote:
DaveBurnley wrote:
Sajdin wrote:
Drink involved again, ban alcohol...
It's so easy to blame drink, to make it an excuse. Sometimes drink is involved but very often violence is used when no drink is involved, some people just cannot control their temper.
I do not for one second believe that violence may still happen without drink. It is more likely that drink causing most of these to turn into violence, without alcohol, this country would see a reduction in violence, reduction in domestic abuse, reduction in child abuse, reduction in criminal damage, reduction on the pressures on the NHS, Police and Ambulance services.

Yes it would mean the law abiding people would have to give up alcohol, but that wouldn't kill you, or would it?
So you are saying that violence does not happen without drink? The papers are full of examples of violence committed by Moslems. Have they been drinking? Or are you going to claim that this is different?
[quote][p][bold]Sajdin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DaveBurnley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sajdin[/bold] wrote: Drink involved again, ban alcohol...[/p][/quote]It's so easy to blame drink, to make it an excuse. Sometimes drink is involved but very often violence is used when no drink is involved, some people just cannot control their temper.[/p][/quote]I do not for one second believe that violence may still happen without drink. It is more likely that drink causing most of these to turn into violence, without alcohol, this country would see a reduction in violence, reduction in domestic abuse, reduction in child abuse, reduction in criminal damage, reduction on the pressures on the NHS, Police and Ambulance services. Yes it would mean the law abiding people would have to give up alcohol, but that wouldn't kill you, or would it?[/p][/quote]So you are saying that violence does not happen without drink? The papers are full of examples of violence committed by Moslems. Have they been drinking? Or are you going to claim that this is different? DaveBurnley

8:17pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Sajdin says...

DaveBurnley wrote:
Sajdin wrote:
DaveBurnley wrote:
Sajdin wrote:
Drink involved again, ban alcohol...
It's so easy to blame drink, to make it an excuse. Sometimes drink is involved but very often violence is used when no drink is involved, some people just cannot control their temper.
I do not for one second believe that violence may still happen without drink. It is more likely that drink causing most of these to turn into violence, without alcohol, this country would see a reduction in violence, reduction in domestic abuse, reduction in child abuse, reduction in criminal damage, reduction on the pressures on the NHS, Police and Ambulance services.

Yes it would mean the law abiding people would have to give up alcohol, but that wouldn't kill you, or would it?
So you are saying that violence does not happen without drink? The papers are full of examples of violence committed by Moslems. Have they been drinking? Or are you going to claim that this is different?
Yes you are right, the way I wrote that suggests violence does not happen without drink, and we all know that isn't true. Anybody can turn violent, as long as the situation is right. Can I ask one question which is off topic? Answering your question relating to Moslems, and why they commit violence, the ones who say that it is in they religious duty (tragic death of Lee comes to mind) then brain washing it clearly apparent. Those commit violence with other reasons, cannot claim to be Moslem.

Back to the topic in hand, in this specific case, he was drunk, my opinion says, if he wasn't this would have not happened.
[quote][p][bold]DaveBurnley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sajdin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DaveBurnley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sajdin[/bold] wrote: Drink involved again, ban alcohol...[/p][/quote]It's so easy to blame drink, to make it an excuse. Sometimes drink is involved but very often violence is used when no drink is involved, some people just cannot control their temper.[/p][/quote]I do not for one second believe that violence may still happen without drink. It is more likely that drink causing most of these to turn into violence, without alcohol, this country would see a reduction in violence, reduction in domestic abuse, reduction in child abuse, reduction in criminal damage, reduction on the pressures on the NHS, Police and Ambulance services. Yes it would mean the law abiding people would have to give up alcohol, but that wouldn't kill you, or would it?[/p][/quote]So you are saying that violence does not happen without drink? The papers are full of examples of violence committed by Moslems. Have they been drinking? Or are you going to claim that this is different?[/p][/quote]Yes you are right, the way I wrote that suggests violence does not happen without drink, and we all know that isn't true. Anybody can turn violent, as long as the situation is right. Can I ask one question which is off topic? Answering your question relating to Moslems, and why they commit violence, the ones who say that it is in they religious duty (tragic death of Lee comes to mind) then brain washing it clearly apparent. Those commit violence with other reasons, cannot claim to be Moslem. Back to the topic in hand, in this specific case, he was drunk, my opinion says, if he wasn't this would have not happened. Sajdin

8:18pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Sajdin says...

Also just to note, he did not have any previous occurrence of domestic abuse and the judge put it down to alcohol.
Also just to note, he did not have any previous occurrence of domestic abuse and the judge put it down to alcohol. Sajdin

11:15pm Wed 25 Dec 13

You're not mugging me off that easily says...

DaveBurnley wrote:
Sajdin wrote:
DaveBurnley wrote:
Sajdin wrote:
Drink involved again, ban alcohol...
It's so easy to blame drink, to make it an excuse. Sometimes drink is involved but very often violence is used when no drink is involved, some people just cannot control their temper.
I do not for one second believe that violence may still happen without drink. It is more likely that drink causing most of these to turn into violence, without alcohol, this country would see a reduction in violence, reduction in domestic abuse, reduction in child abuse, reduction in criminal damage, reduction on the pressures on the NHS, Police and Ambulance services.

Yes it would mean the law abiding people would have to give up alcohol, but that wouldn't kill you, or would it?
So you are saying that violence does not happen without drink? The papers are full of examples of violence committed by Moslems. Have they been drinking? Or are you going to claim that this is different?
Dave, don't entertain this pr1ck, he's clearly out to spread his racist agenda.
[quote][p][bold]DaveBurnley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sajdin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DaveBurnley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sajdin[/bold] wrote: Drink involved again, ban alcohol...[/p][/quote]It's so easy to blame drink, to make it an excuse. Sometimes drink is involved but very often violence is used when no drink is involved, some people just cannot control their temper.[/p][/quote]I do not for one second believe that violence may still happen without drink. It is more likely that drink causing most of these to turn into violence, without alcohol, this country would see a reduction in violence, reduction in domestic abuse, reduction in child abuse, reduction in criminal damage, reduction on the pressures on the NHS, Police and Ambulance services. Yes it would mean the law abiding people would have to give up alcohol, but that wouldn't kill you, or would it?[/p][/quote]So you are saying that violence does not happen without drink? The papers are full of examples of violence committed by Moslems. Have they been drinking? Or are you going to claim that this is different?[/p][/quote]Dave, don't entertain this pr1ck, he's clearly out to spread his racist agenda. You're not mugging me off that easily

1:19pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Sajdin says...

You're not mugging me off that easily wrote:
DaveBurnley wrote:
Sajdin wrote:
DaveBurnley wrote:
Sajdin wrote:
Drink involved again, ban alcohol...
It's so easy to blame drink, to make it an excuse. Sometimes drink is involved but very often violence is used when no drink is involved, some people just cannot control their temper.
I do not for one second believe that violence may still happen without drink. It is more likely that drink causing most of these to turn into violence, without alcohol, this country would see a reduction in violence, reduction in domestic abuse, reduction in child abuse, reduction in criminal damage, reduction on the pressures on the NHS, Police and Ambulance services.

Yes it would mean the law abiding people would have to give up alcohol, but that wouldn't kill you, or would it?
So you are saying that violence does not happen without drink? The papers are full of examples of violence committed by Moslems. Have they been drinking? Or are you going to claim that this is different?
Dave, don't entertain this pr1ck, he's clearly out to spread his racist agenda.
You keep banging on about my racist agenda, tell me where have I been racist?

This article is related to someone who was drunk and "terrorised" another individual. The judge has clearly said this is most likely down to alcohol.

Without alcohol it is unlikely this would have occured? Can we agree on that?

Instead of trying to offend me, counter my claims?
[quote][p][bold]You're not mugging me off that easily[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DaveBurnley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sajdin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]DaveBurnley[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sajdin[/bold] wrote: Drink involved again, ban alcohol...[/p][/quote]It's so easy to blame drink, to make it an excuse. Sometimes drink is involved but very often violence is used when no drink is involved, some people just cannot control their temper.[/p][/quote]I do not for one second believe that violence may still happen without drink. It is more likely that drink causing most of these to turn into violence, without alcohol, this country would see a reduction in violence, reduction in domestic abuse, reduction in child abuse, reduction in criminal damage, reduction on the pressures on the NHS, Police and Ambulance services. Yes it would mean the law abiding people would have to give up alcohol, but that wouldn't kill you, or would it?[/p][/quote]So you are saying that violence does not happen without drink? The papers are full of examples of violence committed by Moslems. Have they been drinking? Or are you going to claim that this is different?[/p][/quote]Dave, don't entertain this pr1ck, he's clearly out to spread his racist agenda.[/p][/quote]You keep banging on about my racist agenda, tell me where have I been racist? This article is related to someone who was drunk and "terrorised" another individual. The judge has clearly said this is most likely down to alcohol. Without alcohol it is unlikely this would have occured? Can we agree on that? Instead of trying to offend me, counter my claims? Sajdin

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