VIDEO: 12 arrested across Bolton as police seize crack and heroin in dawn drug raids

This Is Lancashire: SMASH: Police ram in the door of a suspected drug dealer this morning SMASH: Police ram in the door of a suspected drug dealer this morning

POLICE arrested 12 people in a series of dawn drug raids across Bolton this morning.

Officers from the police's organised crime unit raided nine properties in Great Lever, Farnworth and Deane from 7am this morning, finding heroin and crack cocaine in several of them.

Another two homes were raided in Wigan, and in total 11 men and one woman were arrested on suspicion of supplying drugs.

All the suspects are now in police custody for questioning as police continue to search the homes.

The arrests are the latest in "Operation Maxima", which was launched last month when 14 people were arrested in dawn raids across Bolton.

Det Insp Chris Walker, from Bolton’s organised crime unit, said: “Today we have continued in our fight against drugs in Bolton and, after gathering intelligence over the past few weeks, we have arrested 12 people this morning on suspicion of drugs-related activity.

“Members of the community are quite rightly fed up of drug dealing taking place in their neighbourhoods and the direct impact this has on people’s everyday lives should not be underestimated.

“I hope today’s action goes a long way to prove we also share the community’s views, stand side by side with residents and are determined to bring these dealings to an end.


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“We understand this will not happen overnight but we are certainly dedicated to causing as much disruption as possible to their illegal activities.

“If you have information about anyone who you think may be involved in the sale or supply of drugs in your area, please get in touch.

"Any calls we receive will be investigated and acted upon accordingly.”

Bolton’s organised crime unit can be contacted on 0161 8565597 or information can be passed on to police anonymously by calling Crimestoppers on 0800 555111.

The police have produced a video to promote the operation, which you can watch here:

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12:18pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

Well done police, keep up the good work
Well done police, keep up the good work Dr Martin

12:44pm Wed 11 Dec 13

happy horwicher says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Well done police, keep up the good work
yes well done. Drug dealers affect all our community and I'm sure the vast majority of our community want and support everything possible to to stop these vile people
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: Well done police, keep up the good work[/p][/quote]yes well done. Drug dealers affect all our community and I'm sure the vast majority of our community want and support everything possible to to stop these vile people happy horwicher

1:19pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Delyth says...

Yes, Well Done the Police for getting some of this muck off the streets. But can't help feeling that those arrested are the small fry. In most cases the real Mr Big sits in luxury and comparative safety elsewhere.
Also, this problem needs to be tackled at source, which for the most part is not in this country. While poppy cultivation remains a major source of income for these countries that isn't going to happen so customs need to be forever vigilant and stop this stuff getting onto the streets in the first place.
Yes, Well Done the Police for getting some of this muck off the streets. But can't help feeling that those arrested are the small fry. In most cases the real Mr Big sits in luxury and comparative safety elsewhere. Also, this problem needs to be tackled at source, which for the most part is not in this country. While poppy cultivation remains a major source of income for these countries that isn't going to happen so customs need to be forever vigilant and stop this stuff getting onto the streets in the first place. Delyth

1:48pm Wed 11 Dec 13

I, Ludicrous says...

Yes, well done the Rozzers for doing what we pay them to do.
Yes, well done the Rozzers for doing what we pay them to do. I, Ludicrous

1:51pm Wed 11 Dec 13

happy horwicher says...

Delyth wrote:
Yes, Well Done the Police for getting some of this muck off the streets. But can't help feeling that those arrested are the small fry. In most cases the real Mr Big sits in luxury and comparative safety elsewhere.
Also, this problem needs to be tackled at source, which for the most part is not in this country. While poppy cultivation remains a major source of income for these countries that isn't going to happen so customs need to be forever vigilant and stop this stuff getting onto the streets in the first place.
Where poppy cultivation is a major and often only source of income, those countries and farmers need help to find an alternative source. Yes customs and police must be vigilant and act to stop drugs entering the country, but they need to be as rigorous pursuing everyone involved in the supply from the users up to the Mr Big.
[quote][p][bold]Delyth[/bold] wrote: Yes, Well Done the Police for getting some of this muck off the streets. But can't help feeling that those arrested are the small fry. In most cases the real Mr Big sits in luxury and comparative safety elsewhere. Also, this problem needs to be tackled at source, which for the most part is not in this country. While poppy cultivation remains a major source of income for these countries that isn't going to happen so customs need to be forever vigilant and stop this stuff getting onto the streets in the first place.[/p][/quote]Where poppy cultivation is a major and often only source of income, those countries and farmers need help to find an alternative source. Yes customs and police must be vigilant and act to stop drugs entering the country, but they need to be as rigorous pursuing everyone involved in the supply from the users up to the Mr Big. happy horwicher

2:11pm Wed 11 Dec 13

lv8151 says...

happy horwicher wrote:
Delyth wrote:
Yes, Well Done the Police for getting some of this muck off the streets. But can't help feeling that those arrested are the small fry. In most cases the real Mr Big sits in luxury and comparative safety elsewhere.
Also, this problem needs to be tackled at source, which for the most part is not in this country. While poppy cultivation remains a major source of income for these countries that isn't going to happen so customs need to be forever vigilant and stop this stuff getting onto the streets in the first place.
Where poppy cultivation is a major and often only source of income, those countries and farmers need help to find an alternative source. Yes customs and police must be vigilant and act to stop drugs entering the country, but they need to be as rigorous pursuing everyone involved in the supply from the users up to the Mr Big.
i can see your idea but in many of the countries where opium poppies are grown it is totally legal to do so, so who are we to tell them different .... that would be like muslim countries that do not consume alcohol telling us that we can not produce it over here because they don't want it in their country
[quote][p][bold]happy horwicher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Delyth[/bold] wrote: Yes, Well Done the Police for getting some of this muck off the streets. But can't help feeling that those arrested are the small fry. In most cases the real Mr Big sits in luxury and comparative safety elsewhere. Also, this problem needs to be tackled at source, which for the most part is not in this country. While poppy cultivation remains a major source of income for these countries that isn't going to happen so customs need to be forever vigilant and stop this stuff getting onto the streets in the first place.[/p][/quote]Where poppy cultivation is a major and often only source of income, those countries and farmers need help to find an alternative source. Yes customs and police must be vigilant and act to stop drugs entering the country, but they need to be as rigorous pursuing everyone involved in the supply from the users up to the Mr Big.[/p][/quote]i can see your idea but in many of the countries where opium poppies are grown it is totally legal to do so, so who are we to tell them different .... that would be like muslim countries that do not consume alcohol telling us that we can not produce it over here because they don't want it in their country lv8151

2:19pm Wed 11 Dec 13

mr.mark.c says...

They could partially legalise it, a cheap clean alternative prescribed by a doctor would soon put Mr Big and his cronies out of a job.
They could partially legalise it, a cheap clean alternative prescribed by a doctor would soon put Mr Big and his cronies out of a job. mr.mark.c

2:27pm Wed 11 Dec 13

DC Ferret says...

If you want to strike a blow against Right wing extremism, bigottry, discrimination, mediocrity, pedestrianism, and crass unthinking stupidity, then demand the Bolton News discontinue it's 'comments' function available on its news items
If you want to strike a blow against Right wing extremism, bigottry, discrimination, mediocrity, pedestrianism, and crass unthinking stupidity, then demand the Bolton News discontinue it's 'comments' function available on its news items DC Ferret

2:46pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

This is a story about drugs raids carried out by the police, just ignore the ones who want to turn this into a race issue,It is possible to have lengthy drug debates that are not closed down prematurely.
This is a story about drugs raids carried out by the police, just ignore the ones who want to turn this into a race issue,It is possible to have lengthy drug debates that are not closed down prematurely. Dr Martin

4:10pm Wed 11 Dec 13

danssoncabaret says...

Well done to the police for removing scum from our streets!
Well done to the police for removing scum from our streets! danssoncabaret

4:19pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Gill bolton says...

Well done to our hard working policemen and women it's great to see you getting these parasites off our streets.
Well done to our hard working policemen and women it's great to see you getting these parasites off our streets. Gill bolton

4:24pm Wed 11 Dec 13

127001 says...

I really don't get the Police and breaking doors down? Do they have a contract with Anthony Axford's?

In the days of old a Police officer would dress up as a postman and knock on the door before the home owner came to the door - then the other Police officers would pounce out from the bushes and be in and out with no fuss at all.
I really don't get the Police and breaking doors down? Do they have a contract with Anthony Axford's? In the days of old a Police officer would dress up as a postman and knock on the door before the home owner came to the door - then the other Police officers would pounce out from the bushes and be in and out with no fuss at all. 127001

4:29pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Jim271 says...

If people were not stupid enough to take drugs people would not be selling them.
We need to promote drugs as dangerous like they did in the 1980s rather than "a bit naughty".
If people were not stupid enough to take drugs people would not be selling them. We need to promote drugs as dangerous like they did in the 1980s rather than "a bit naughty". Jim271

4:34pm Wed 11 Dec 13

stantheman133 says...

Well done police keep up the good work and arrest all who deal in drugs.
Well done police keep up the good work and arrest all who deal in drugs. stantheman133

4:41pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Mick England says...

lv8151 wrote:
happy horwicher wrote:
Delyth wrote:
Yes, Well Done the Police for getting some of this muck off the streets. But can't help feeling that those arrested are the small fry. In most cases the real Mr Big sits in luxury and comparative safety elsewhere.
Also, this problem needs to be tackled at source, which for the most part is not in this country. While poppy cultivation remains a major source of income for these countries that isn't going to happen so customs need to be forever vigilant and stop this stuff getting onto the streets in the first place.
Where poppy cultivation is a major and often only source of income, those countries and farmers need help to find an alternative source. Yes customs and police must be vigilant and act to stop drugs entering the country, but they need to be as rigorous pursuing everyone involved in the supply from the users up to the Mr Big.
i can see your idea but in many of the countries where opium poppies are grown it is totally legal to do so, so who are we to tell them different .... that would be like muslim countries that do not consume alcohol telling us that we can not produce it over here because they don't want it in their country
We don't want halal or niqabs in this country but we are forced to accept it! Guess we must be pushovers, they wouldn't have alcohol or mini skirts over there!!
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]happy horwicher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Delyth[/bold] wrote: Yes, Well Done the Police for getting some of this muck off the streets. But can't help feeling that those arrested are the small fry. In most cases the real Mr Big sits in luxury and comparative safety elsewhere. Also, this problem needs to be tackled at source, which for the most part is not in this country. While poppy cultivation remains a major source of income for these countries that isn't going to happen so customs need to be forever vigilant and stop this stuff getting onto the streets in the first place.[/p][/quote]Where poppy cultivation is a major and often only source of income, those countries and farmers need help to find an alternative source. Yes customs and police must be vigilant and act to stop drugs entering the country, but they need to be as rigorous pursuing everyone involved in the supply from the users up to the Mr Big.[/p][/quote]i can see your idea but in many of the countries where opium poppies are grown it is totally legal to do so, so who are we to tell them different .... that would be like muslim countries that do not consume alcohol telling us that we can not produce it over here because they don't want it in their country[/p][/quote]We don't want halal or niqabs in this country but we are forced to accept it! Guess we must be pushovers, they wouldn't have alcohol or mini skirts over there!! Mick England

4:41pm Wed 11 Dec 13

wassupp says...

Use the search box - search for 'drugs raid bolton' and then draw your conclusions about ethnicity after reading the news items which come up - for those who can't see beyond skin colour.

And while you're at it, do a search for 'benefit cheat' too.
Use the search box - search for 'drugs raid bolton' and then draw your conclusions about ethnicity after reading the news items which come up - for those who can't see beyond skin colour. And while you're at it, do a search for 'benefit cheat' too. wassupp

6:58pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Mick England says...

Mick England wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
happy horwicher wrote:
Delyth wrote:
Yes, Well Done the Police for getting some of this muck off the streets. But can't help feeling that those arrested are the small fry. In most cases the real Mr Big sits in luxury and comparative safety elsewhere.
Also, this problem needs to be tackled at source, which for the most part is not in this country. While poppy cultivation remains a major source of income for these countries that isn't going to happen so customs need to be forever vigilant and stop this stuff getting onto the streets in the first place.
Where poppy cultivation is a major and often only source of income, those countries and farmers need help to find an alternative source. Yes customs and police must be vigilant and act to stop drugs entering the country, but they need to be as rigorous pursuing everyone involved in the supply from the users up to the Mr Big.
i can see your idea but in many of the countries where opium poppies are grown it is totally legal to do so, so who are we to tell them different .... that would be like muslim countries that do not consume alcohol telling us that we can not produce it over here because they don't want it in their country
We don't want halal or niqabs in this country but we are forced to accept it! Guess we must be pushovers, they wouldn't have alcohol or mini skirts over there!!
Just goes to show the stupidity of these backward countries, heroin is legal yet the female face isn't, what a laugh!!
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]happy horwicher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Delyth[/bold] wrote: Yes, Well Done the Police for getting some of this muck off the streets. But can't help feeling that those arrested are the small fry. In most cases the real Mr Big sits in luxury and comparative safety elsewhere. Also, this problem needs to be tackled at source, which for the most part is not in this country. While poppy cultivation remains a major source of income for these countries that isn't going to happen so customs need to be forever vigilant and stop this stuff getting onto the streets in the first place.[/p][/quote]Where poppy cultivation is a major and often only source of income, those countries and farmers need help to find an alternative source. Yes customs and police must be vigilant and act to stop drugs entering the country, but they need to be as rigorous pursuing everyone involved in the supply from the users up to the Mr Big.[/p][/quote]i can see your idea but in many of the countries where opium poppies are grown it is totally legal to do so, so who are we to tell them different .... that would be like muslim countries that do not consume alcohol telling us that we can not produce it over here because they don't want it in their country[/p][/quote]We don't want halal or niqabs in this country but we are forced to accept it! Guess we must be pushovers, they wouldn't have alcohol or mini skirts over there!![/p][/quote]Just goes to show the stupidity of these backward countries, heroin is legal yet the female face isn't, what a laugh!! Mick England

7:22pm Wed 11 Dec 13

wassupp says...

Mick England wrote:
Mick England wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
happy horwicher wrote:
Delyth wrote:
Yes, Well Done the Police for getting some of this muck off the streets. But can't help feeling that those arrested are the small fry. In most cases the real Mr Big sits in luxury and comparative safety elsewhere.
Also, this problem needs to be tackled at source, which for the most part is not in this country. While poppy cultivation remains a major source of income for these countries that isn't going to happen so customs need to be forever vigilant and stop this stuff getting onto the streets in the first place.
Where poppy cultivation is a major and often only source of income, those countries and farmers need help to find an alternative source. Yes customs and police must be vigilant and act to stop drugs entering the country, but they need to be as rigorous pursuing everyone involved in the supply from the users up to the Mr Big.
i can see your idea but in many of the countries where opium poppies are grown it is totally legal to do so, so who are we to tell them different .... that would be like muslim countries that do not consume alcohol telling us that we can not produce it over here because they don't want it in their country
We don't want halal or niqabs in this country but we are forced to accept it! Guess we must be pushovers, they wouldn't have alcohol or mini skirts over there!!
Just goes to show the stupidity of these backward countries, heroin is legal yet the female face isn't, what a laugh!!
So go on, give us a list of countries where heroin is legal.
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]happy horwicher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Delyth[/bold] wrote: Yes, Well Done the Police for getting some of this muck off the streets. But can't help feeling that those arrested are the small fry. In most cases the real Mr Big sits in luxury and comparative safety elsewhere. Also, this problem needs to be tackled at source, which for the most part is not in this country. While poppy cultivation remains a major source of income for these countries that isn't going to happen so customs need to be forever vigilant and stop this stuff getting onto the streets in the first place.[/p][/quote]Where poppy cultivation is a major and often only source of income, those countries and farmers need help to find an alternative source. Yes customs and police must be vigilant and act to stop drugs entering the country, but they need to be as rigorous pursuing everyone involved in the supply from the users up to the Mr Big.[/p][/quote]i can see your idea but in many of the countries where opium poppies are grown it is totally legal to do so, so who are we to tell them different .... that would be like muslim countries that do not consume alcohol telling us that we can not produce it over here because they don't want it in their country[/p][/quote]We don't want halal or niqabs in this country but we are forced to accept it! Guess we must be pushovers, they wouldn't have alcohol or mini skirts over there!![/p][/quote]Just goes to show the stupidity of these backward countries, heroin is legal yet the female face isn't, what a laugh!![/p][/quote]So go on, give us a list of countries where heroin is legal. wassupp

7:51pm Wed 11 Dec 13

serendipity2 says...

Yet another nail in Boltons coffin didn't realize on town can house so much scum..

drugs violence theft yet again
Yet another nail in Boltons coffin didn't realize on town can house so much scum.. drugs violence theft yet again serendipity2

8:27pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Greasy Chip Butty says...

Mick England. Our ancestors went over raped and pillaged many countries and imposed our values/customs/langu
age/religion. That was then, and what you fill find now is a little bit of the reverse on our shores.......
Mick England. Our ancestors went over raped and pillaged many countries and imposed our values/customs/langu age/religion. That was then, and what you fill find now is a little bit of the reverse on our shores....... Greasy Chip Butty

8:30pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Greasy Chip Butty says...

Job well done by the Bobbies......
Job well done by the Bobbies...... Greasy Chip Butty

9:05pm Wed 11 Dec 13

farnworth's mafia says...

Mick England wrote:
Mick England wrote:
lv8151 wrote:
happy horwicher wrote:
Delyth wrote:
Yes, Well Done the Police for getting some of this muck off the streets. But can't help feeling that those arrested are the small fry. In most cases the real Mr Big sits in luxury and comparative safety elsewhere.
Also, this problem needs to be tackled at source, which for the most part is not in this country. While poppy cultivation remains a major source of income for these countries that isn't going to happen so customs need to be forever vigilant and stop this stuff getting onto the streets in the first place.
Where poppy cultivation is a major and often only source of income, those countries and farmers need help to find an alternative source. Yes customs and police must be vigilant and act to stop drugs entering the country, but they need to be as rigorous pursuing everyone involved in the supply from the users up to the Mr Big.
i can see your idea but in many of the countries where opium poppies are grown it is totally legal to do so, so who are we to tell them different .... that would be like muslim countries that do not consume alcohol telling us that we can not produce it over here because they don't want it in their country
We don't want halal or niqabs in this country but we are forced to accept it! Guess we must be pushovers, they wouldn't have alcohol or mini skirts over there!!
Just goes to show the stupidity of these backward countries, heroin is legal yet the female face isn't, what a laugh!!
jus because ur a dirty sweaty perv3rt it does not mean that others have to wear wat u want them to. if one wants to cover up or walk naked its non of ur business, so get bck in ur kennel n shut up. sort your narrow mind out the women whom wear veils may wear it to protect them selfs from p3rvs like u not cause they forced or asked to.,, its there free will.
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]happy horwicher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Delyth[/bold] wrote: Yes, Well Done the Police for getting some of this muck off the streets. But can't help feeling that those arrested are the small fry. In most cases the real Mr Big sits in luxury and comparative safety elsewhere. Also, this problem needs to be tackled at source, which for the most part is not in this country. While poppy cultivation remains a major source of income for these countries that isn't going to happen so customs need to be forever vigilant and stop this stuff getting onto the streets in the first place.[/p][/quote]Where poppy cultivation is a major and often only source of income, those countries and farmers need help to find an alternative source. Yes customs and police must be vigilant and act to stop drugs entering the country, but they need to be as rigorous pursuing everyone involved in the supply from the users up to the Mr Big.[/p][/quote]i can see your idea but in many of the countries where opium poppies are grown it is totally legal to do so, so who are we to tell them different .... that would be like muslim countries that do not consume alcohol telling us that we can not produce it over here because they don't want it in their country[/p][/quote]We don't want halal or niqabs in this country but we are forced to accept it! Guess we must be pushovers, they wouldn't have alcohol or mini skirts over there!![/p][/quote]Just goes to show the stupidity of these backward countries, heroin is legal yet the female face isn't, what a laugh!![/p][/quote]jus because ur a dirty sweaty perv3rt it does not mean that others have to wear wat u want them to. if one wants to cover up or walk naked its non of ur business, so get bck in ur kennel n shut up. sort your narrow mind out the women whom wear veils may wear it to protect them selfs from p3rvs like u not cause they forced or asked to.,, its there free will. farnworth's mafia

9:15pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Mick England says...

Ok whatever, while they are at home protecting themselves from pervs like me, their nice husbands are looking at the face of a 13 year old that he's grooming! Double standards!
Ok whatever, while they are at home protecting themselves from pervs like me, their nice husbands are looking at the face of a 13 year old that he's grooming! Double standards! Mick England

9:26pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Jackael says...

Mick England wrote:
Ok whatever, while they are at home protecting themselves from pervs like me, their nice husbands are looking at the face of a 13 year old that he's grooming! Double standards!
+1 on that but the guys obviously backward just leave him to it !!
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: Ok whatever, while they are at home protecting themselves from pervs like me, their nice husbands are looking at the face of a 13 year old that he's grooming! Double standards![/p][/quote]+1 on that but the guys obviously backward just leave him to it !! Jackael

9:36pm Wed 11 Dec 13

farnworth's mafia says...

Mick England wrote:
Ok whatever, while they are at home protecting themselves from pervs like me, their nice husbands are looking at the face of a 13 year old that he's grooming! Double standards!
are you tied to their back sides that u can say they are doing xyz . mind ur own business u get groomers of every kind.
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: Ok whatever, while they are at home protecting themselves from pervs like me, their nice husbands are looking at the face of a 13 year old that he's grooming! Double standards![/p][/quote]are you tied to their back sides that u can say they are doing xyz . mind ur own business u get groomers of every kind. farnworth's mafia

9:49pm Wed 11 Dec 13

VIGILANTE VIC says...

WELL DONE... NOW HERE'S A TIP FOR BOLTON POLICE, HAVE A LOOK ON HR SWAN LANE, ROUND ABOUT WHERE THE OLD POST OFFICE USED TO BE JUST OVER THE BRIDGE, IN THAT BACK STREET, BACK OF TOOTAL'S PARK
:-)
WELL DONE... NOW HERE'S A TIP FOR BOLTON POLICE, HAVE A LOOK ON HR SWAN LANE, ROUND ABOUT WHERE THE OLD POST OFFICE USED TO BE JUST OVER THE BRIDGE, IN THAT BACK STREET, BACK OF TOOTAL'S PARK :-) VIGILANTE VIC

10:05pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Mick England says...

Hmmmm some choose to wear the crucifix around their neck, but guess what some people don't like it, so who's business is it then, the permanently offended type?
Hmmmm some choose to wear the crucifix around their neck, but guess what some people don't like it, so who's business is it then, the permanently offended type? Mick England

10:12pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Mick England says...

farnworth's mafia wrote:
Mick England wrote:
Ok whatever, while they are at home protecting themselves from pervs like me, their nice husbands are looking at the face of a 13 year old that he's grooming! Double standards!
are you tied to their back sides that u can say they are doing xyz . mind ur own business u get groomers of every kind.
Yes I agree totally, but some worse than others, and usually it's the worst ones that get less media coverage because we have to be careful what we say about them don't we? Who wants to be called the R word?
[quote][p][bold]farnworth's mafia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: Ok whatever, while they are at home protecting themselves from pervs like me, their nice husbands are looking at the face of a 13 year old that he's grooming! Double standards![/p][/quote]are you tied to their back sides that u can say they are doing xyz . mind ur own business u get groomers of every kind.[/p][/quote]Yes I agree totally, but some worse than others, and usually it's the worst ones that get less media coverage because we have to be careful what we say about them don't we? Who wants to be called the R word? Mick England

10:24pm Wed 11 Dec 13

wassupp says...

Mick England wrote:
Ok whatever, while they are at home protecting themselves from pervs like me, their nice husbands are looking at the face of a 13 year old that he's grooming! Double standards!
What planet are you on?!

Jimmy Savile
Gary Glitter
Freddy Starr
Dave Lee Travis
Max Clifford
David Smith (Ex BBC)
Jim Davidson
Rolf Harris
Jimmy Tarbuck
Ray Teret (Savile Chuaffeur)
William Harper (Stretford)
Paul Gambaccini
Chris Denning (Ex Radio 1)
Cyril Smith (MP)
Stuart Hall
William Roach (coronation Street)

and the list goes on and on and on.....
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: Ok whatever, while they are at home protecting themselves from pervs like me, their nice husbands are looking at the face of a 13 year old that he's grooming! Double standards![/p][/quote]What planet are you on?! Jimmy Savile Gary Glitter Freddy Starr Dave Lee Travis Max Clifford David Smith (Ex BBC) Jim Davidson Rolf Harris Jimmy Tarbuck Ray Teret (Savile Chuaffeur) William Harper (Stretford) Paul Gambaccini Chris Denning (Ex Radio 1) Cyril Smith (MP) Stuart Hall William Roach (coronation Street) and the list goes on and on and on..... wassupp

10:54pm Wed 11 Dec 13

johnjones1984 says...

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11:02pm Wed 11 Dec 13

johnjones1984 says...

id say good job gmp but you know what they are **** at there job all you ever hear about is we have busted the street urchins rid an estate of blight..why dont they sit back and look at the bigger picture when was the last time you heard of a successful bust of a "mr big" supplying these people,,majority of these lads will come from a good home led down a bad path and forced to peddle for the scum of moses gate/farnworth 90% of residents will know who these people are but are scared of retaliation,,being labelled racist, until someone speaks up and get the bigger guys they will carry on driving there hire cars n forcing young lads to do there dirty work for them on fear of what might happen
id say good job gmp but you know what they are **** at there job all you ever hear about is we have busted the street urchins rid an estate of blight..why dont they sit back and look at the bigger picture when was the last time you heard of a successful bust of a "mr big" supplying these people,,majority of these lads will come from a good home led down a bad path and forced to peddle for the scum of moses gate/farnworth 90% of residents will know who these people are but are scared of retaliation,,being labelled racist, until someone speaks up and get the bigger guys they will carry on driving there hire cars n forcing young lads to do there dirty work for them on fear of what might happen johnjones1984

11:29pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Mick England says...

wassupp wrote:
Mick England wrote:
Ok whatever, while they are at home protecting themselves from pervs like me, their nice husbands are looking at the face of a 13 year old that he's grooming! Double standards!
What planet are you on?!

Jimmy Savile
Gary Glitter
Freddy Starr
Dave Lee Travis
Max Clifford
David Smith (Ex BBC)
Jim Davidson
Rolf Harris
Jimmy Tarbuck
Ray Teret (Savile Chuaffeur)
William Harper (Stretford)
Paul Gambaccini
Chris Denning (Ex Radio 1)
Cyril Smith (MP)
Stuart Hall
William Roach (coronation Street)

and the list goes on and on and on.....
That's 16 you mentioned, can you name all 12 from Rochdale, and then those in Derby and Rotherham far exceeding your 16? Quite easy really to remember them all, their names were all mohammed or some other islamic name?
[quote][p][bold]wassupp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: Ok whatever, while they are at home protecting themselves from pervs like me, their nice husbands are looking at the face of a 13 year old that he's grooming! Double standards![/p][/quote]What planet are you on?! Jimmy Savile Gary Glitter Freddy Starr Dave Lee Travis Max Clifford David Smith (Ex BBC) Jim Davidson Rolf Harris Jimmy Tarbuck Ray Teret (Savile Chuaffeur) William Harper (Stretford) Paul Gambaccini Chris Denning (Ex Radio 1) Cyril Smith (MP) Stuart Hall William Roach (coronation Street) and the list goes on and on and on.....[/p][/quote]That's 16 you mentioned, can you name all 12 from Rochdale, and then those in Derby and Rotherham far exceeding your 16? Quite easy really to remember them all, their names were all mohammed or some other islamic name? Mick England

11:31pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Mick England says...

And some names you've mentioned are not convicted just yet, hold your horses!
And some names you've mentioned are not convicted just yet, hold your horses! Mick England

11:38pm Wed 11 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

Jim271 wrote:
If people were not stupid enough to take drugs people would not be selling them.
We need to promote drugs as dangerous like they did in the 1980s rather than "a bit naughty".
Unfortunately there are always those seek some escapism from their lives so take illicit substances like this.
What is equally worrying is that there is a sizeable amount of people who comment on these threads that advocate legalisation of certain drugs especially Cannabis
[quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: If people were not stupid enough to take drugs people would not be selling them. We need to promote drugs as dangerous like they did in the 1980s rather than "a bit naughty".[/p][/quote]Unfortunately there are always those seek some escapism from their lives so take illicit substances like this. What is equally worrying is that there is a sizeable amount of people who comment on these threads that advocate legalisation of certain drugs especially Cannabis Dr Martin

11:59pm Wed 11 Dec 13

lv8151 says...

Mick England wrote:
wassupp wrote:
Mick England wrote:
Ok whatever, while they are at home protecting themselves from pervs like me, their nice husbands are looking at the face of a 13 year old that he's grooming! Double standards!
What planet are you on?!

Jimmy Savile
Gary Glitter
Freddy Starr
Dave Lee Travis
Max Clifford
David Smith (Ex BBC)
Jim Davidson
Rolf Harris
Jimmy Tarbuck
Ray Teret (Savile Chuaffeur)
William Harper (Stretford)
Paul Gambaccini
Chris Denning (Ex Radio 1)
Cyril Smith (MP)
Stuart Hall
William Roach (coronation Street)

and the list goes on and on and on.....
That's 16 you mentioned, can you name all 12 from Rochdale, and then those in Derby and Rotherham far exceeding your 16? Quite easy really to remember them all, their names were all mohammed or some other islamic name?
if you're muslim and you are trying to argue about sex crimes you are on a non winner .... considering muslims only make up 6% - 7% of the uk population and commit 16% - 17% of convicted sex crimes i think the figures do the talking .... it's not hard to find these figures with a little googling
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wassupp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: Ok whatever, while they are at home protecting themselves from pervs like me, their nice husbands are looking at the face of a 13 year old that he's grooming! Double standards![/p][/quote]What planet are you on?! Jimmy Savile Gary Glitter Freddy Starr Dave Lee Travis Max Clifford David Smith (Ex BBC) Jim Davidson Rolf Harris Jimmy Tarbuck Ray Teret (Savile Chuaffeur) William Harper (Stretford) Paul Gambaccini Chris Denning (Ex Radio 1) Cyril Smith (MP) Stuart Hall William Roach (coronation Street) and the list goes on and on and on.....[/p][/quote]That's 16 you mentioned, can you name all 12 from Rochdale, and then those in Derby and Rotherham far exceeding your 16? Quite easy really to remember them all, their names were all mohammed or some other islamic name?[/p][/quote]if you're muslim and you are trying to argue about sex crimes you are on a non winner .... considering muslims only make up 6% - 7% of the uk population and commit 16% - 17% of convicted sex crimes i think the figures do the talking .... it's not hard to find these figures with a little googling lv8151

12:42am Thu 12 Dec 13

frankandbill says...

Dr Martin wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
If people were not stupid enough to take drugs people would not be selling them.
We need to promote drugs as dangerous like they did in the 1980s rather than "a bit naughty".
Unfortunately there are always those seek some escapism from their lives so take illicit substances like this.
What is equally worrying is that there is a sizeable amount of people who comment on these threads that advocate legalisation of certain drugs especially Cannabis
Well let's be brutally honest here - drug policy just aint working.

Cops bashing down doors with local reporters tagging along is a massive PR exercise attempting to reverse the obvious fact that kids take drugs more than they ever used to do and the trend is increasing…and no-one is fooled by the PR froth.

The whole idea that the state can - or should- legislate against what individuals ingest into their bodies of their own free will is a non starter. The political elite know it but can't say it. The police know it but can't say it. In fact the whole of the establishment know it but can't say it. And in our hearts of hears we all know if but prefer not to say it. But the harsh truth is that drug policy in the western world is a joke and there's no way it's going to work.

So what to do?

The only answer is to de-criminalise. Bu de-criminalising we start to deal with the issue within our own families and communities rather outsourcing the problem to the external power of the state.

Police don't know how to tackle drug misuse - they can't start to get into the mind of a drug user. They can only touch the surface and deal with the effects - but they are powerless to deal with the causes - and the causes have nothing to do with supply but have everything to do with societal cynicism, poor quality education, mistrust, low horizons, community breakdown and the myriad of other social problems and lack of societal solutions.

Druggies are a pain in the arse for sure. Escapist, narcissistic social parasities etc etc the list of adjectives is endless - but the way to tackle that negative mindset is to promote a society that values citizenry, human trust, camaraderie, solidarity and a human centred philosophy - and that's the antipathy of the modern western world today
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: If people were not stupid enough to take drugs people would not be selling them. We need to promote drugs as dangerous like they did in the 1980s rather than "a bit naughty".[/p][/quote]Unfortunately there are always those seek some escapism from their lives so take illicit substances like this. What is equally worrying is that there is a sizeable amount of people who comment on these threads that advocate legalisation of certain drugs especially Cannabis[/p][/quote]Well let's be brutally honest here - drug policy just aint working. Cops bashing down doors with local reporters tagging along is a massive PR exercise attempting to reverse the obvious fact that kids take drugs more than they ever used to do and the trend is increasing…and no-one is fooled by the PR froth. The whole idea that the state can - or should- legislate against what individuals ingest into their bodies of their own free will is a non starter. The political elite know it but can't say it. The police know it but can't say it. In fact the whole of the establishment know it but can't say it. And in our hearts of hears we all know if but prefer not to say it. But the harsh truth is that drug policy in the western world is a joke and there's no way it's going to work. So what to do? The only answer is to de-criminalise. Bu de-criminalising we start to deal with the issue within our own families and communities rather outsourcing the problem to the external power of the state. Police don't know how to tackle drug misuse - they can't start to get into the mind of a drug user. They can only touch the surface and deal with the effects - but they are powerless to deal with the causes - and the causes have nothing to do with supply but have everything to do with societal cynicism, poor quality education, mistrust, low horizons, community breakdown and the myriad of other social problems and lack of societal solutions. Druggies are a pain in the arse for sure. Escapist, narcissistic social parasities etc etc the list of adjectives is endless - but the way to tackle that negative mindset is to promote a society that values citizenry, human trust, camaraderie, solidarity and a human centred philosophy - and that's the antipathy of the modern western world today frankandbill

1:25am Thu 12 Dec 13

happy horwicher says...

lv8151 wrote:
happy horwicher wrote:
Delyth wrote:
Yes, Well Done the Police for getting some of this muck off the streets. But can't help feeling that those arrested are the small fry. In most cases the real Mr Big sits in luxury and comparative safety elsewhere.
Also, this problem needs to be tackled at source, which for the most part is not in this country. While poppy cultivation remains a major source of income for these countries that isn't going to happen so customs need to be forever vigilant and stop this stuff getting onto the streets in the first place.
Where poppy cultivation is a major and often only source of income, those countries and farmers need help to find an alternative source. Yes customs and police must be vigilant and act to stop drugs entering the country, but they need to be as rigorous pursuing everyone involved in the supply from the users up to the Mr Big.
i can see your idea but in many of the countries where opium poppies are grown it is totally legal to do so, so who are we to tell them different .... that would be like muslim countries that do not consume alcohol telling us that we can not produce it over here because they don't want it in their country
Agree we cannot expect countries stop growing opium poppies unless they are given a viable alternative that provides sufficient income. With alcohol there is a difference, those countries where alcohol is not consumed, choose not to import or restrict the sale to tourists in designated areas.
[quote][p][bold]lv8151[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]happy horwicher[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Delyth[/bold] wrote: Yes, Well Done the Police for getting some of this muck off the streets. But can't help feeling that those arrested are the small fry. In most cases the real Mr Big sits in luxury and comparative safety elsewhere. Also, this problem needs to be tackled at source, which for the most part is not in this country. While poppy cultivation remains a major source of income for these countries that isn't going to happen so customs need to be forever vigilant and stop this stuff getting onto the streets in the first place.[/p][/quote]Where poppy cultivation is a major and often only source of income, those countries and farmers need help to find an alternative source. Yes customs and police must be vigilant and act to stop drugs entering the country, but they need to be as rigorous pursuing everyone involved in the supply from the users up to the Mr Big.[/p][/quote]i can see your idea but in many of the countries where opium poppies are grown it is totally legal to do so, so who are we to tell them different .... that would be like muslim countries that do not consume alcohol telling us that we can not produce it over here because they don't want it in their country[/p][/quote]Agree we cannot expect countries stop growing opium poppies unless they are given a viable alternative that provides sufficient income. With alcohol there is a difference, those countries where alcohol is not consumed, choose not to import or restrict the sale to tourists in designated areas. happy horwicher

5:01am Thu 12 Dec 13

oftbewildered2 says...

127001 wrote:
I really don't get the Police and breaking doors down? Do they have a contract with Anthony Axford's?

In the days of old a Police officer would dress up as a postman and knock on the door before the home owner came to the door - then the other Police officers would pounce out from the bushes and be in and out with no fuss at all.
those were far off days when even thieves had a code of conduct - come back George Dixon, we all loved you. Life was so different then
[quote][p][bold]127001[/bold] wrote: I really don't get the Police and breaking doors down? Do they have a contract with Anthony Axford's? In the days of old a Police officer would dress up as a postman and knock on the door before the home owner came to the door - then the other Police officers would pounce out from the bushes and be in and out with no fuss at all.[/p][/quote]those were far off days when even thieves had a code of conduct - come back George Dixon, we all loved you. Life was so different then oftbewildered2

7:59am Thu 12 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

frankandbill wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Jim271 wrote:
If people were not stupid enough to take drugs people would not be selling them.
We need to promote drugs as dangerous like they did in the 1980s rather than "a bit naughty".
Unfortunately there are always those seek some escapism from their lives so take illicit substances like this.
What is equally worrying is that there is a sizeable amount of people who comment on these threads that advocate legalisation of certain drugs especially Cannabis
Well let's be brutally honest here - drug policy just aint working.

Cops bashing down doors with local reporters tagging along is a massive PR exercise attempting to reverse the obvious fact that kids take drugs more than they ever used to do and the trend is increasing…and no-one is fooled by the PR froth.

The whole idea that the state can - or should- legislate against what individuals ingest into their bodies of their own free will is a non starter. The political elite know it but can't say it. The police know it but can't say it. In fact the whole of the establishment know it but can't say it. And in our hearts of hears we all know if but prefer not to say it. But the harsh truth is that drug policy in the western world is a joke and there's no way it's going to work.

So what to do?

The only answer is to de-criminalise. Bu de-criminalising we start to deal with the issue within our own families and communities rather outsourcing the problem to the external power of the state.

Police don't know how to tackle drug misuse - they can't start to get into the mind of a drug user. They can only touch the surface and deal with the effects - but they are powerless to deal with the causes - and the causes have nothing to do with supply but have everything to do with societal cynicism, poor quality education, mistrust, low horizons, community breakdown and the myriad of other social problems and lack of societal solutions.

Druggies are a pain in the arse for sure. Escapist, narcissistic social parasities etc etc the list of adjectives is endless - but the way to tackle that negative mindset is to promote a society that values citizenry, human trust, camaraderie, solidarity and a human centred philosophy - and that's the antipathy of the modern western world today
I will obviously disagree with you, our drug policy is working it's limited illicit drug taking to 10% of the population and deters the other 90%, heroin and crack users are falling because we are enforcing it (and treating them better), cannabis use is either stabilising or falling (slightly) so I say our drug policies are working, but they can work better
[quote][p][bold]frankandbill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: If people were not stupid enough to take drugs people would not be selling them. We need to promote drugs as dangerous like they did in the 1980s rather than "a bit naughty".[/p][/quote]Unfortunately there are always those seek some escapism from their lives so take illicit substances like this. What is equally worrying is that there is a sizeable amount of people who comment on these threads that advocate legalisation of certain drugs especially Cannabis[/p][/quote]Well let's be brutally honest here - drug policy just aint working. Cops bashing down doors with local reporters tagging along is a massive PR exercise attempting to reverse the obvious fact that kids take drugs more than they ever used to do and the trend is increasing…and no-one is fooled by the PR froth. The whole idea that the state can - or should- legislate against what individuals ingest into their bodies of their own free will is a non starter. The political elite know it but can't say it. The police know it but can't say it. In fact the whole of the establishment know it but can't say it. And in our hearts of hears we all know if but prefer not to say it. But the harsh truth is that drug policy in the western world is a joke and there's no way it's going to work. So what to do? The only answer is to de-criminalise. Bu de-criminalising we start to deal with the issue within our own families and communities rather outsourcing the problem to the external power of the state. Police don't know how to tackle drug misuse - they can't start to get into the mind of a drug user. They can only touch the surface and deal with the effects - but they are powerless to deal with the causes - and the causes have nothing to do with supply but have everything to do with societal cynicism, poor quality education, mistrust, low horizons, community breakdown and the myriad of other social problems and lack of societal solutions. Druggies are a pain in the arse for sure. Escapist, narcissistic social parasities etc etc the list of adjectives is endless - but the way to tackle that negative mindset is to promote a society that values citizenry, human trust, camaraderie, solidarity and a human centred philosophy - and that's the antipathy of the modern western world today[/p][/quote]I will obviously disagree with you, our drug policy is working it's limited illicit drug taking to 10% of the population and deters the other 90%, heroin and crack users are falling because we are enforcing it (and treating them better), cannabis use is either stabilising or falling (slightly) so I say our drug policies are working, but they can work better Dr Martin

9:19am Thu 12 Dec 13

heaton watcher says...

DC Ferret wrote:
If you want to strike a blow against Right wing extremism, bigottry, discrimination, mediocrity, pedestrianism, and crass unthinking stupidity, then demand the Bolton News discontinue it's 'comments' function available on its news items
I agree 100%!
[quote][p][bold]DC Ferret[/bold] wrote: If you want to strike a blow against Right wing extremism, bigottry, discrimination, mediocrity, pedestrianism, and crass unthinking stupidity, then demand the Bolton News discontinue it's 'comments' function available on its news items[/p][/quote]I agree 100%! heaton watcher

9:43am Thu 12 Dec 13

frankandbill says...

Dr Martin wrote:
frankandbill wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Jim271 wrote: If people were not stupid enough to take drugs people would not be selling them. We need to promote drugs as dangerous like they did in the 1980s rather than "a bit naughty".
Unfortunately there are always those seek some escapism from their lives so take illicit substances like this. What is equally worrying is that there is a sizeable amount of people who comment on these threads that advocate legalisation of certain drugs especially Cannabis
Well let's be brutally honest here - drug policy just aint working. Cops bashing down doors with local reporters tagging along is a massive PR exercise attempting to reverse the obvious fact that kids take drugs more than they ever used to do and the trend is increasing…and no-one is fooled by the PR froth. The whole idea that the state can - or should- legislate against what individuals ingest into their bodies of their own free will is a non starter. The political elite know it but can't say it. The police know it but can't say it. In fact the whole of the establishment know it but can't say it. And in our hearts of hears we all know if but prefer not to say it. But the harsh truth is that drug policy in the western world is a joke and there's no way it's going to work. So what to do? The only answer is to de-criminalise. Bu de-criminalising we start to deal with the issue within our own families and communities rather outsourcing the problem to the external power of the state. Police don't know how to tackle drug misuse - they can't start to get into the mind of a drug user. They can only touch the surface and deal with the effects - but they are powerless to deal with the causes - and the causes have nothing to do with supply but have everything to do with societal cynicism, poor quality education, mistrust, low horizons, community breakdown and the myriad of other social problems and lack of societal solutions. Druggies are a pain in the arse for sure. Escapist, narcissistic social parasities etc etc the list of adjectives is endless - but the way to tackle that negative mindset is to promote a society that values citizenry, human trust, camaraderie, solidarity and a human centred philosophy - and that's the antipathy of the modern western world today
I will obviously disagree with you, our drug policy is working it's limited illicit drug taking to 10% of the population and deters the other 90%, heroin and crack users are falling because we are enforcing it (and treating them better), cannabis use is either stabilising or falling (slightly) so I say our drug policies are working, but they can work better
Are you really saying that without current drug policy the 90% of non drug takers would suddenly start smoking pot? That's an odd claim.

Criminalisation of drug use has zero impact on our decision to stop taking drugs, but it sure has the effect of promoting the counter culture of drug taking.

Junkies enjoy the edgy urban chic that comes with drug culture. Criminalisation supports that culture hence decriminalisation is the first step in the war on drugs.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]frankandbill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: If people were not stupid enough to take drugs people would not be selling them. We need to promote drugs as dangerous like they did in the 1980s rather than "a bit naughty".[/p][/quote]Unfortunately there are always those seek some escapism from their lives so take illicit substances like this. What is equally worrying is that there is a sizeable amount of people who comment on these threads that advocate legalisation of certain drugs especially Cannabis[/p][/quote]Well let's be brutally honest here - drug policy just aint working. Cops bashing down doors with local reporters tagging along is a massive PR exercise attempting to reverse the obvious fact that kids take drugs more than they ever used to do and the trend is increasing…and no-one is fooled by the PR froth. The whole idea that the state can - or should- legislate against what individuals ingest into their bodies of their own free will is a non starter. The political elite know it but can't say it. The police know it but can't say it. In fact the whole of the establishment know it but can't say it. And in our hearts of hears we all know if but prefer not to say it. But the harsh truth is that drug policy in the western world is a joke and there's no way it's going to work. So what to do? The only answer is to de-criminalise. Bu de-criminalising we start to deal with the issue within our own families and communities rather outsourcing the problem to the external power of the state. Police don't know how to tackle drug misuse - they can't start to get into the mind of a drug user. They can only touch the surface and deal with the effects - but they are powerless to deal with the causes - and the causes have nothing to do with supply but have everything to do with societal cynicism, poor quality education, mistrust, low horizons, community breakdown and the myriad of other social problems and lack of societal solutions. Druggies are a pain in the arse for sure. Escapist, narcissistic social parasities etc etc the list of adjectives is endless - but the way to tackle that negative mindset is to promote a society that values citizenry, human trust, camaraderie, solidarity and a human centred philosophy - and that's the antipathy of the modern western world today[/p][/quote]I will obviously disagree with you, our drug policy is working it's limited illicit drug taking to 10% of the population and deters the other 90%, heroin and crack users are falling because we are enforcing it (and treating them better), cannabis use is either stabilising or falling (slightly) so I say our drug policies are working, but they can work better[/p][/quote]Are you really saying that without current drug policy the 90% of non drug takers would suddenly start smoking pot? That's an odd claim. Criminalisation of drug use has zero impact on our decision to stop taking drugs, but it sure has the effect of promoting the counter culture of drug taking. Junkies enjoy the edgy urban chic that comes with drug culture. Criminalisation supports that culture hence decriminalisation is the first step in the war on drugs. frankandbill

10:42am Thu 12 Dec 13

Jim271 says...

You cannot avoid the problems caused by drugs by decriminalisation.

Its like alcohol and Tabacco, you should tell people that if they take these items it could kill them.
Narcotics don't just effect the individual that takes them but other people in the community, how often do we read of people being battered by drunks,vehicles crashing old people being burgled by junkies.

People who use these Narcotics are to be pitied. They are losers.
You cannot avoid the problems caused by drugs by decriminalisation. Its like alcohol and Tabacco, you should tell people that if they take these items it could kill them. Narcotics don't just effect the individual that takes them but other people in the community, how often do we read of people being battered by drunks,vehicles crashing old people being burgled by junkies. People who use these Narcotics are to be pitied. They are losers. Jim271

12:48pm Thu 12 Dec 13

DC Ferret says...

Mick England wrote:
Ok whatever, while they are at home protecting themselves from pervs like me, their nice husbands are looking at the face of a 13 year old that he's grooming! Double standards!
vile, vile, vile man
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: Ok whatever, while they are at home protecting themselves from pervs like me, their nice husbands are looking at the face of a 13 year old that he's grooming! Double standards![/p][/quote]vile, vile, vile man DC Ferret

1:01pm Thu 12 Dec 13

farnworth's mafia says...

wassupp wrote:
Mick England wrote:
Ok whatever, while they are at home protecting themselves from pervs like me, their nice husbands are looking at the face of a 13 year old that he's grooming! Double standards!
What planet are you on?!

Jimmy Savile
Gary Glitter
Freddy Starr
Dave Lee Travis
Max Clifford
David Smith (Ex BBC)
Jim Davidson
Rolf Harris
Jimmy Tarbuck
Ray Teret (Savile Chuaffeur)
William Harper (Stretford)
Paul Gambaccini
Chris Denning (Ex Radio 1)
Cyril Smith (MP)
Stuart Hall
William Roach (coronation Street)

and the list goes on and on and on.....
well said to p[rove reality . mick must be under his bed crying by now...haha
[quote][p][bold]wassupp[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: Ok whatever, while they are at home protecting themselves from pervs like me, their nice husbands are looking at the face of a 13 year old that he's grooming! Double standards![/p][/quote]What planet are you on?! Jimmy Savile Gary Glitter Freddy Starr Dave Lee Travis Max Clifford David Smith (Ex BBC) Jim Davidson Rolf Harris Jimmy Tarbuck Ray Teret (Savile Chuaffeur) William Harper (Stretford) Paul Gambaccini Chris Denning (Ex Radio 1) Cyril Smith (MP) Stuart Hall William Roach (coronation Street) and the list goes on and on and on.....[/p][/quote]well said to p[rove reality . mick must be under his bed crying by now...haha farnworth's mafia

1:09pm Thu 12 Dec 13

farnworth's mafia says...

Mick England wrote:
Hmmmm some choose to wear the crucifix around their neck, but guess what some people don't like it, so who's business is it then, the permanently offended type?
well I don't any one who has a problem from me and the people I know wear wat u wen you want. jus narrow minds like u that think and believe what some has filled you in with. most even the media blagged you or gave you the opinion of a twisted person.

moral twisted thoughts come from and relate to twisted people.
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: Hmmmm some choose to wear the crucifix around their neck, but guess what some people don't like it, so who's business is it then, the permanently offended type?[/p][/quote]well I don't any one who has a problem from me and the people I know wear wat u wen you want. jus narrow minds like u that think and believe what some has filled you in with. most even the media blagged you or gave you the opinion of a twisted person. moral twisted thoughts come from and relate to twisted people. farnworth's mafia

1:12pm Thu 12 Dec 13

farnworth's mafia says...

Mick England wrote:
farnworth's mafia wrote:
Mick England wrote:
Ok whatever, while they are at home protecting themselves from pervs like me, their nice husbands are looking at the face of a 13 year old that he's grooming! Double standards!
are you tied to their back sides that u can say they are doing xyz . mind ur own business u get groomers of every kind.
Yes I agree totally, but some worse than others, and usually it's the worst ones that get less media coverage because we have to be careful what we say about them don't we? Who wants to be called the R word?
not really its just you with your narrow mindno one call me racist.
[quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]farnworth's mafia[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mick England[/bold] wrote: Ok whatever, while they are at home protecting themselves from pervs like me, their nice husbands are looking at the face of a 13 year old that he's grooming! Double standards![/p][/quote]are you tied to their back sides that u can say they are doing xyz . mind ur own business u get groomers of every kind.[/p][/quote]Yes I agree totally, but some worse than others, and usually it's the worst ones that get less media coverage because we have to be careful what we say about them don't we? Who wants to be called the R word?[/p][/quote]not really its just you with your narrow mindno one call me racist. farnworth's mafia

5:13pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Greasy Chip Butty says...

I wouldn't call Mick England the "R" word, but with his prejudiced/distorted views, he/others will always place race issues in threads such as these, which is about a drugs raid.
I wouldn't call Mick England the "R" word, but with his prejudiced/distorted views, he/others will always place race issues in threads such as these, which is about a drugs raid. Greasy Chip Butty

8:37pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

frankandbill wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
frankandbill wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Jim271 wrote: If people were not stupid enough to take drugs people would not be selling them. We need to promote drugs as dangerous like they did in the 1980s rather than "a bit naughty".
Unfortunately there are always those seek some escapism from their lives so take illicit substances like this. What is equally worrying is that there is a sizeable amount of people who comment on these threads that advocate legalisation of certain drugs especially Cannabis
Well let's be brutally honest here - drug policy just aint working. Cops bashing down doors with local reporters tagging along is a massive PR exercise attempting to reverse the obvious fact that kids take drugs more than they ever used to do and the trend is increasing…and no-one is fooled by the PR froth. The whole idea that the state can - or should- legislate against what individuals ingest into their bodies of their own free will is a non starter. The political elite know it but can't say it. The police know it but can't say it. In fact the whole of the establishment know it but can't say it. And in our hearts of hears we all know if but prefer not to say it. But the harsh truth is that drug policy in the western world is a joke and there's no way it's going to work. So what to do? The only answer is to de-criminalise. Bu de-criminalising we start to deal with the issue within our own families and communities rather outsourcing the problem to the external power of the state. Police don't know how to tackle drug misuse - they can't start to get into the mind of a drug user. They can only touch the surface and deal with the effects - but they are powerless to deal with the causes - and the causes have nothing to do with supply but have everything to do with societal cynicism, poor quality education, mistrust, low horizons, community breakdown and the myriad of other social problems and lack of societal solutions. Druggies are a pain in the arse for sure. Escapist, narcissistic social parasities etc etc the list of adjectives is endless - but the way to tackle that negative mindset is to promote a society that values citizenry, human trust, camaraderie, solidarity and a human centred philosophy - and that's the antipathy of the modern western world today
I will obviously disagree with you, our drug policy is working it's limited illicit drug taking to 10% of the population and deters the other 90%, heroin and crack users are falling because we are enforcing it (and treating them better), cannabis use is either stabilising or falling (slightly) so I say our drug policies are working, but they can work better
Are you really saying that without current drug policy the 90% of non drug takers would suddenly start smoking pot? That's an odd claim.

Criminalisation of drug use has zero impact on our decision to stop taking drugs, but it sure has the effect of promoting the counter culture of drug taking.

Junkies enjoy the edgy urban chic that comes with drug culture. Criminalisation supports that culture hence decriminalisation is the first step in the war on drugs.
No I said it deters 90% most of whom wouldn't touch it anyway, why would we the majority want to change laws just to suit the minority.
I am sure junkies and stoners don't care what the legality of their substance is but The current framework works as better than a lets legalise everything policy
[quote][p][bold]frankandbill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]frankandbill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: If people were not stupid enough to take drugs people would not be selling them. We need to promote drugs as dangerous like they did in the 1980s rather than "a bit naughty".[/p][/quote]Unfortunately there are always those seek some escapism from their lives so take illicit substances like this. What is equally worrying is that there is a sizeable amount of people who comment on these threads that advocate legalisation of certain drugs especially Cannabis[/p][/quote]Well let's be brutally honest here - drug policy just aint working. Cops bashing down doors with local reporters tagging along is a massive PR exercise attempting to reverse the obvious fact that kids take drugs more than they ever used to do and the trend is increasing…and no-one is fooled by the PR froth. The whole idea that the state can - or should- legislate against what individuals ingest into their bodies of their own free will is a non starter. The political elite know it but can't say it. The police know it but can't say it. In fact the whole of the establishment know it but can't say it. And in our hearts of hears we all know if but prefer not to say it. But the harsh truth is that drug policy in the western world is a joke and there's no way it's going to work. So what to do? The only answer is to de-criminalise. Bu de-criminalising we start to deal with the issue within our own families and communities rather outsourcing the problem to the external power of the state. Police don't know how to tackle drug misuse - they can't start to get into the mind of a drug user. They can only touch the surface and deal with the effects - but they are powerless to deal with the causes - and the causes have nothing to do with supply but have everything to do with societal cynicism, poor quality education, mistrust, low horizons, community breakdown and the myriad of other social problems and lack of societal solutions. Druggies are a pain in the arse for sure. Escapist, narcissistic social parasities etc etc the list of adjectives is endless - but the way to tackle that negative mindset is to promote a society that values citizenry, human trust, camaraderie, solidarity and a human centred philosophy - and that's the antipathy of the modern western world today[/p][/quote]I will obviously disagree with you, our drug policy is working it's limited illicit drug taking to 10% of the population and deters the other 90%, heroin and crack users are falling because we are enforcing it (and treating them better), cannabis use is either stabilising or falling (slightly) so I say our drug policies are working, but they can work better[/p][/quote]Are you really saying that without current drug policy the 90% of non drug takers would suddenly start smoking pot? That's an odd claim. Criminalisation of drug use has zero impact on our decision to stop taking drugs, but it sure has the effect of promoting the counter culture of drug taking. Junkies enjoy the edgy urban chic that comes with drug culture. Criminalisation supports that culture hence decriminalisation is the first step in the war on drugs.[/p][/quote]No I said it deters 90% most of whom wouldn't touch it anyway, why would we the majority want to change laws just to suit the minority. I am sure junkies and stoners don't care what the legality of their substance is but The current framework works as better than a lets legalise everything policy Dr Martin

11:13am Fri 13 Dec 13

frankandbill says...

Dr Martin wrote:
frankandbill wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
frankandbill wrote:
Dr Martin wrote:
Jim271 wrote: If people were not stupid enough to take drugs people would not be selling them. We need to promote drugs as dangerous like they did in the 1980s rather than "a bit naughty".
Unfortunately there are always those seek some escapism from their lives so take illicit substances like this. What is equally worrying is that there is a sizeable amount of people who comment on these threads that advocate legalisation of certain drugs especially Cannabis
Well let's be brutally honest here - drug policy just aint working. Cops bashing down doors with local reporters tagging along is a massive PR exercise attempting to reverse the obvious fact that kids take drugs more than they ever used to do and the trend is increasing…and no-one is fooled by the PR froth. The whole idea that the state can - or should- legislate against what individuals ingest into their bodies of their own free will is a non starter. The political elite know it but can't say it. The police know it but can't say it. In fact the whole of the establishment know it but can't say it. And in our hearts of hears we all know if but prefer not to say it. But the harsh truth is that drug policy in the western world is a joke and there's no way it's going to work. So what to do? The only answer is to de-criminalise. Bu de-criminalising we start to deal with the issue within our own families and communities rather outsourcing the problem to the external power of the state. Police don't know how to tackle drug misuse - they can't start to get into the mind of a drug user. They can only touch the surface and deal with the effects - but they are powerless to deal with the causes - and the causes have nothing to do with supply but have everything to do with societal cynicism, poor quality education, mistrust, low horizons, community breakdown and the myriad of other social problems and lack of societal solutions. Druggies are a pain in the arse for sure. Escapist, narcissistic social parasities etc etc the list of adjectives is endless - but the way to tackle that negative mindset is to promote a society that values citizenry, human trust, camaraderie, solidarity and a human centred philosophy - and that's the antipathy of the modern western world today
I will obviously disagree with you, our drug policy is working it's limited illicit drug taking to 10% of the population and deters the other 90%, heroin and crack users are falling because we are enforcing it (and treating them better), cannabis use is either stabilising or falling (slightly) so I say our drug policies are working, but they can work better
Are you really saying that without current drug policy the 90% of non drug takers would suddenly start smoking pot? That's an odd claim.

Criminalisation of drug use has zero impact on our decision to stop taking drugs, but it sure has the effect of promoting the counter culture of drug taking.

Junkies enjoy the edgy urban chic that comes with drug culture. Criminalisation supports that culture hence decriminalisation is the first step in the war on drugs.
No I said it deters 90% most of whom wouldn't touch it anyway, why would we the majority want to change laws just to suit the minority.
I am sure junkies and stoners don't care what the legality of their substance is but The current framework works as better than a lets legalise everything policy
Dr Martin.

If 90% of the population "wouldn't touch it anyway" and the 10% who do are not deterred by the law - then why have a law in the 1st place?

You claim that the majority of the public are in favour of criminalisation and also that "the current framework works better than legalisation" Interested to know on what basis you make those claims?

I reckon in an open debate a majority would opt for de-criminalisation - which is fundamentally different to legalisation by the way.

And I also reckon that a policy of de-criminalisation would transform the whole issue of drugs. One cannot say what the societal effect would be - but far preferable to allow society to deal with the issue than live in the deluded hope that the state will solve the problem for us. Clearly the drug don't work!
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]frankandbill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]frankandbill[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Jim271[/bold] wrote: If people were not stupid enough to take drugs people would not be selling them. We need to promote drugs as dangerous like they did in the 1980s rather than "a bit naughty".[/p][/quote]Unfortunately there are always those seek some escapism from their lives so take illicit substances like this. What is equally worrying is that there is a sizeable amount of people who comment on these threads that advocate legalisation of certain drugs especially Cannabis[/p][/quote]Well let's be brutally honest here - drug policy just aint working. Cops bashing down doors with local reporters tagging along is a massive PR exercise attempting to reverse the obvious fact that kids take drugs more than they ever used to do and the trend is increasing…and no-one is fooled by the PR froth. The whole idea that the state can - or should- legislate against what individuals ingest into their bodies of their own free will is a non starter. The political elite know it but can't say it. The police know it but can't say it. In fact the whole of the establishment know it but can't say it. And in our hearts of hears we all know if but prefer not to say it. But the harsh truth is that drug policy in the western world is a joke and there's no way it's going to work. So what to do? The only answer is to de-criminalise. Bu de-criminalising we start to deal with the issue within our own families and communities rather outsourcing the problem to the external power of the state. Police don't know how to tackle drug misuse - they can't start to get into the mind of a drug user. They can only touch the surface and deal with the effects - but they are powerless to deal with the causes - and the causes have nothing to do with supply but have everything to do with societal cynicism, poor quality education, mistrust, low horizons, community breakdown and the myriad of other social problems and lack of societal solutions. Druggies are a pain in the arse for sure. Escapist, narcissistic social parasities etc etc the list of adjectives is endless - but the way to tackle that negative mindset is to promote a society that values citizenry, human trust, camaraderie, solidarity and a human centred philosophy - and that's the antipathy of the modern western world today[/p][/quote]I will obviously disagree with you, our drug policy is working it's limited illicit drug taking to 10% of the population and deters the other 90%, heroin and crack users are falling because we are enforcing it (and treating them better), cannabis use is either stabilising or falling (slightly) so I say our drug policies are working, but they can work better[/p][/quote]Are you really saying that without current drug policy the 90% of non drug takers would suddenly start smoking pot? That's an odd claim. Criminalisation of drug use has zero impact on our decision to stop taking drugs, but it sure has the effect of promoting the counter culture of drug taking. Junkies enjoy the edgy urban chic that comes with drug culture. Criminalisation supports that culture hence decriminalisation is the first step in the war on drugs.[/p][/quote]No I said it deters 90% most of whom wouldn't touch it anyway, why would we the majority want to change laws just to suit the minority. I am sure junkies and stoners don't care what the legality of their substance is but The current framework works as better than a lets legalise everything policy[/p][/quote]Dr Martin. If 90% of the population "wouldn't touch it anyway" and the 10% who do are not deterred by the law - then why have a law in the 1st place? You claim that the majority of the public are in favour of criminalisation and also that "the current framework works better than legalisation" Interested to know on what basis you make those claims? I reckon in an open debate a majority would opt for de-criminalisation - which is fundamentally different to legalisation by the way. And I also reckon that a policy of de-criminalisation would transform the whole issue of drugs. One cannot say what the societal effect would be - but far preferable to allow society to deal with the issue than live in the deluded hope that the state will solve the problem for us. Clearly the drug don't work! frankandbill

2:27pm Fri 13 Dec 13

waterbottle says...

Greasy Chip Butty wrote:
Mick England. Our ancestors went over raped and pillaged many countries and imposed our values/customs/langu

age/religion. That was then, and what you fill find now is a little bit of the reverse on our shores.......
What goes around comes around as the saying goes!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Greasy Chip Butty[/bold] wrote: Mick England. Our ancestors went over raped and pillaged many countries and imposed our values/customs/langu age/religion. That was then, and what you fill find now is a little bit of the reverse on our shores.......[/p][/quote]What goes around comes around as the saying goes!!!! waterbottle

7:01pm Fri 13 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

@frankandbill

I said “most of them” (re 90%) the law acts as a deterrent for those who might consider taking illicit drugs.

I believe the majority of us are against legalising illicit drugs, that’s my opinion I could point to the Daily Mirror survey they did earlier this year, or the fact the vast majority of the people do not take illicit drugs
The current framework (education, healthcare and the law) has either reduced or stabilised illicit drug use amongst most popular illicit substances

Cannabis is effectively de criminalised in this country as the police target hard drugs like heroin and crack. I am against any form of relaxing laws against any illicit drugs as this country especially heroin and crack as we treating more and more people and the amount of people using it have fallen. Clearly something is working
@frankandbill I said “most of them” (re 90%) the law acts as a deterrent for those who might consider taking illicit drugs. I believe the majority of us are against legalising illicit drugs, that’s my opinion I could point to the Daily Mirror survey they did earlier this year, or the fact the vast majority of the people do not take illicit drugs The current framework (education, healthcare and the law) has either reduced or stabilised illicit drug use amongst most popular illicit substances Cannabis is effectively de criminalised in this country as the police target hard drugs like heroin and crack. I am against any form of relaxing laws against any illicit drugs as this country especially heroin and crack as we treating more and more people and the amount of people using it have fallen. Clearly something is working Dr Martin

12:40am Sat 14 Dec 13

frankandbill says...

Dr Martin wrote:
@frankandbill

I said “most of them” (re 90%) the law acts as a deterrent for those who might consider taking illicit drugs.

I believe the majority of us are against legalising illicit drugs, that’s my opinion I could point to the Daily Mirror survey they did earlier this year, or the fact the vast majority of the people do not take illicit drugs
The current framework (education, healthcare and the law) has either reduced or stabilised illicit drug use amongst most popular illicit substances

Cannabis is effectively de criminalised in this country as the police target hard drugs like heroin and crack. I am against any form of relaxing laws against any illicit drugs as this country especially heroin and crack as we treating more and more people and the amount of people using it have fallen. Clearly something is working
To be honest though, whether there is evidence to suggest the trend is up or down is pretty irrelevant. Drug policy is fundamentally a moral and political question. It is about what kind of society we want to live in, whether it’s one in which people ought to be free to make judgements about how best to live their lives, or whether they ought not to be.

As you can probably tell I'm a fairly liberal guy who believes in freedom - and that includes the freedom to make bad choices.
[quote][p][bold]Dr Martin[/bold] wrote: @frankandbill I said “most of them” (re 90%) the law acts as a deterrent for those who might consider taking illicit drugs. I believe the majority of us are against legalising illicit drugs, that’s my opinion I could point to the Daily Mirror survey they did earlier this year, or the fact the vast majority of the people do not take illicit drugs The current framework (education, healthcare and the law) has either reduced or stabilised illicit drug use amongst most popular illicit substances Cannabis is effectively de criminalised in this country as the police target hard drugs like heroin and crack. I am against any form of relaxing laws against any illicit drugs as this country especially heroin and crack as we treating more and more people and the amount of people using it have fallen. Clearly something is working[/p][/quote]To be honest though, whether there is evidence to suggest the trend is up or down is pretty irrelevant. Drug policy is fundamentally a moral and political question. It is about what kind of society we want to live in, whether it’s one in which people ought to be free to make judgements about how best to live their lives, or whether they ought not to be. As you can probably tell I'm a fairly liberal guy who believes in freedom - and that includes the freedom to make bad choices. frankandbill

7:21am Sun 15 Dec 13

Dr Martin says...

"and that includes the freedom to make bad choices"

You make anarchy sound so wonderful
"and that includes the freedom to make bad choices" You make anarchy sound so wonderful Dr Martin

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