Bolton has "high" suicide rate

BOLTON has a higher suicide rate than England’s average and an “uncharacteristically high” rate for women.

The figures, released as part of a document which aims to plan how to reduce suicide rates in Bolton, shows that between 2008 and 2010, there were 102 suicides in the borough.

Deprivation, loneliness, depression and stress, relationship problems, drugs and alcohol, and unemployment are blamed for Bolton’s high suicide rates.

Jayne Wood, the suicide lead for Bolton Primary Care Trust and part of the Bolton Suicide Prevention Partnership, said they needed to educate different groups, including housing associations, GPs, the fire service and pharmacies about prevention.

She added: “It is about people recognising and responding to risk and knowing what to do. We want to people some evidence-based training and confidence and skills.”

The suicide figures are 12.9 per cent per 100,000 population and are higher than England.

They are also the third highest in the North West after Rossendale and Manchester.

Although lower than the 13.1 per cent registered for between 2007 and 2009, it is greater than all previous years.

The rate for women is 111 per cent higher than the rest of England.

Men account for 75 per cent of suicides nationally.

In Bolton this figure is 66 per cent, although the male rate in Bolton is 28 per cent higher than for the rest of the country.

Of Bolton’s 102 suicides, 68 were men, mainly aged between 20 to 59, and 34 were women, mainly aged between 30 and 39.

The document, currently under consultation with stakeholders, is called “The strategic framework of evidence based recommendations for preventing suicides in Bolton (2013-16)”.

Ms Wood said: “Each organisation has their own action plan. It is all about identifying and responding to suicide risk to prevent the act.

She used records from Bolton Coroner’s Court to compile data on suicides in the borough and said suicide was very “impulsive” and is rarely due to one cause.

Almost 70 per cent of women who committed suicide had been given a mental health diagnosis.

According to data in Bolton’s Suicide Prevention Partnership Annual Report 2012, the greatest numbers of suicide incident call-outs were made to Halliwell ward, with almost 100 more than Farnworth, which has the third greatest number and is the largest ward in Bolton.

More affluent wards, such as Bradshaw and Bromley Cross had a low number of call outs.

If you need to talk to someone about suicide, call the Samaritans on 08457 90 90 90, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, or email jo@samaritans.org.

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8:39am Tue 20 Aug 13

MsTalkative says...

Now I wonder how many of those women where under the care of Greater Manchester West Mental Health Trust for their mental health problems?

How many were inpatients or had been inpatients in the weeks / months before they ended their life...

Improve the services on offer, get some decent staff working for the trust and perhaps there might not be as many suicides in the town!
Now I wonder how many of those women where under the care of Greater Manchester West Mental Health Trust for their mental health problems? How many were inpatients or had been inpatients in the weeks / months before they ended their life... Improve the services on offer, get some decent staff working for the trust and perhaps there might not be as many suicides in the town! MsTalkative
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9:12am Tue 20 Aug 13

hoping4peace says...

MsTalkative wrote:
Now I wonder how many of those women where under the care of Greater Manchester West Mental Health Trust for their mental health problems?

How many were inpatients or had been inpatients in the weeks / months before they ended their life...

Improve the services on offer, get some decent staff working for the trust and perhaps there might not be as many suicides in the town!
why not stop wasting money on weapons and wars and spend it on help to eradicate social deprivation?

theres no excuse for for it in this country or anywhere else,

its a sad waste of life regardless
[quote][p][bold]MsTalkative[/bold] wrote: Now I wonder how many of those women where under the care of Greater Manchester West Mental Health Trust for their mental health problems? How many were inpatients or had been inpatients in the weeks / months before they ended their life... Improve the services on offer, get some decent staff working for the trust and perhaps there might not be as many suicides in the town![/p][/quote]why not stop wasting money on weapons and wars and spend it on help to eradicate social deprivation? theres no excuse for for it in this country or anywhere else, its a sad waste of life regardless hoping4peace
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11:38am Tue 20 Aug 13

BIG ERN says...

MsTalkative wrote:
Now I wonder how many of those women where under the care of Greater Manchester West Mental Health Trust for their mental health problems?

How many were inpatients or had been inpatients in the weeks / months before they ended their life...

Improve the services on offer, get some decent staff working for the trust and perhaps there might not be as many suicides in the town!
Let me just tell you here and now that no risk managemeent plan will prevent anyone from commiting suicide. They will find a way, sad as it is. Looking for people to blame is a human trait. However,in my experience, a crap family upbringing accounts for many suicides,peronailty disorders and mental health. So shall we blame the families? Or the staff who endeavour to care for these broken people?
I know who I would bloody blame.
[quote][p][bold]MsTalkative[/bold] wrote: Now I wonder how many of those women where under the care of Greater Manchester West Mental Health Trust for their mental health problems? How many were inpatients or had been inpatients in the weeks / months before they ended their life... Improve the services on offer, get some decent staff working for the trust and perhaps there might not be as many suicides in the town![/p][/quote]Let me just tell you here and now that no risk managemeent plan will prevent anyone from commiting suicide. They will find a way, sad as it is. Looking for people to blame is a human trait. However,in my experience, a crap family upbringing accounts for many suicides,peronailty disorders and mental health. So shall we blame the families? Or the staff who endeavour to care for these broken people? I know who I would bloody blame. BIG ERN
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12:26pm Tue 20 Aug 13

MsTalkative says...

BIG ERN wrote:
MsTalkative wrote:
Now I wonder how many of those women where under the care of Greater Manchester West Mental Health Trust for their mental health problems?

How many were inpatients or had been inpatients in the weeks / months before they ended their life...

Improve the services on offer, get some decent staff working for the trust and perhaps there might not be as many suicides in the town!
Let me just tell you here and now that no risk managemeent plan will prevent anyone from commiting suicide. They will find a way, sad as it is. Looking for people to blame is a human trait. However,in my experience, a crap family upbringing accounts for many suicides,peronailty disorders and mental health. So shall we blame the families? Or the staff who endeavour to care for these broken people?
I know who I would bloody blame.
Therefore, everyone in your experience with say a personality disorder is likely to attempt to commit suicide. If people working in mental health treated everyone equal regardless of what there diagnosis was, mental health services would be a whole lot better. Sadly many professionals working in mental health see a label first and a person second... that is why so many people fall through the system or end up killing themselves!

An example:- Two people both suicidal one has Bipolar one has Borderline Personality Disorder which one get’s hospitalised for their own safety...?

Why of course the one with Bipolar as people see those with PD’s as attention seeking... how many people with BPD have gone on to commit suicide because no one in mental health believed they were unwell... just Google it for the answer...

It might also help in Bolton if we had a crisis team that was functioning properly instead of an answer machine where you leave a message and no one bothers to call you back!
[quote][p][bold]BIG ERN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MsTalkative[/bold] wrote: Now I wonder how many of those women where under the care of Greater Manchester West Mental Health Trust for their mental health problems? How many were inpatients or had been inpatients in the weeks / months before they ended their life... Improve the services on offer, get some decent staff working for the trust and perhaps there might not be as many suicides in the town![/p][/quote]Let me just tell you here and now that no risk managemeent plan will prevent anyone from commiting suicide. They will find a way, sad as it is. Looking for people to blame is a human trait. However,in my experience, a crap family upbringing accounts for many suicides,peronailty disorders and mental health. So shall we blame the families? Or the staff who endeavour to care for these broken people? I know who I would bloody blame.[/p][/quote]Therefore, everyone in your experience with say a personality disorder is likely to attempt to commit suicide. If people working in mental health treated everyone equal regardless of what there diagnosis was, mental health services would be a whole lot better. Sadly many professionals working in mental health see a label first and a person second... that is why so many people fall through the system or end up killing themselves! An example:- Two people both suicidal one has Bipolar one has Borderline Personality Disorder which one get’s hospitalised for their own safety...? Why of course the one with Bipolar as people see those with PD’s as attention seeking... how many people with BPD have gone on to commit suicide because no one in mental health believed they were unwell... just Google it for the answer... It might also help in Bolton if we had a crisis team that was functioning properly instead of an answer machine where you leave a message and no one bothers to call you back! MsTalkative
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6:34pm Tue 20 Aug 13

Tim Burr says...

I wonder if there is a breakdown available? (no pun intended). Single, alcohol dependency, drug dependency (or history of) and so on.
I wonder if there is a breakdown available? (no pun intended). Single, alcohol dependency, drug dependency (or history of) and so on. Tim Burr
  • Score: 3

7:49pm Tue 20 Aug 13

MalcM59 says...

Suicide rate of 12.9% per 100,000.... Isn't that 12,900 suicides ?
Obviously a worse problem than we thought !
Sloppy reporting, just for a change.
Suicide rate of 12.9% per 100,000.... Isn't that 12,900 suicides ? Obviously a worse problem than we thought ! Sloppy reporting, just for a change. MalcM59
  • Score: 2

10:28pm Tue 20 Aug 13

Citizen Cane says...

The bottom line is that so called mental health professionals don't understand mental health. In fact individuals with depressive illness can not explain why they do what they do nor why their moods can become so incredibly dark for no logical reason.

It's nothing to do with deprivation - that's a crass observation. Explain Stephen Fry's depressive episodes in that context. It's to do with brain wiring.

With this in mind, the so called suicide lead plans to educate various AGENCIES about prevention, when it is the nearest and dearest to those with depression who need the education and support. Guess what the impact of the suicide lead will have proven to be in three year's time : ZERO. But you won't read about it, the data will be buried as will the monstrous waste of money in miseducating Agencies.
The bottom line is that so called mental health professionals don't understand mental health. In fact individuals with depressive illness can not explain why they do what they do nor why their moods can become so incredibly dark for no logical reason. It's nothing to do with deprivation - that's a crass observation. Explain Stephen Fry's depressive episodes in that context. It's to do with brain wiring. With this in mind, the so called suicide lead plans to educate various AGENCIES about prevention, when it is the nearest and dearest to those with depression who need the education and support. Guess what the impact of the suicide lead will have proven to be in three year's time : ZERO. But you won't read about it, the data will be buried as will the monstrous waste of money in miseducating Agencies. Citizen Cane
  • Score: -5

10:13pm Sun 1 Sep 13

Dr Martin says...

MsTalkative wrote:
BIG ERN wrote:
MsTalkative wrote:
Now I wonder how many of those women where under the care of Greater Manchester West Mental Health Trust for their mental health problems?

How many were inpatients or had been inpatients in the weeks / months before they ended their life...

Improve the services on offer, get some decent staff working for the trust and perhaps there might not be as many suicides in the town!
Let me just tell you here and now that no risk managemeent plan will prevent anyone from commiting suicide. They will find a way, sad as it is. Looking for people to blame is a human trait. However,in my experience, a crap family upbringing accounts for many suicides,peronailty disorders and mental health. So shall we blame the families? Or the staff who endeavour to care for these broken people?
I know who I would bloody blame.
Therefore, everyone in your experience with say a personality disorder is likely to attempt to commit suicide. If people working in mental health treated everyone equal regardless of what there diagnosis was, mental health services would be a whole lot better. Sadly many professionals working in mental health see a label first and a person second... that is why so many people fall through the system or end up killing themselves!

An example:- Two people both suicidal one has Bipolar one has Borderline Personality Disorder which one get’s hospitalised for their own safety...?

Why of course the one with Bipolar as people see those with PD’s as attention seeking... how many people with BPD have gone on to commit suicide because no one in mental health believed they were unwell... just Google it for the answer...

It might also help in Bolton if we had a crisis team that was functioning properly instead of an answer machine where you leave a message and no one bothers to call you back!
If we had to admit every PD and B.P.D we would have to re open those huge asylums we had, that housed thousands of patients
Thankfully mental health has moved on since then.
[quote][p][bold]MsTalkative[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BIG ERN[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MsTalkative[/bold] wrote: Now I wonder how many of those women where under the care of Greater Manchester West Mental Health Trust for their mental health problems? How many were inpatients or had been inpatients in the weeks / months before they ended their life... Improve the services on offer, get some decent staff working for the trust and perhaps there might not be as many suicides in the town![/p][/quote]Let me just tell you here and now that no risk managemeent plan will prevent anyone from commiting suicide. They will find a way, sad as it is. Looking for people to blame is a human trait. However,in my experience, a crap family upbringing accounts for many suicides,peronailty disorders and mental health. So shall we blame the families? Or the staff who endeavour to care for these broken people? I know who I would bloody blame.[/p][/quote]Therefore, everyone in your experience with say a personality disorder is likely to attempt to commit suicide. If people working in mental health treated everyone equal regardless of what there diagnosis was, mental health services would be a whole lot better. Sadly many professionals working in mental health see a label first and a person second... that is why so many people fall through the system or end up killing themselves! An example:- Two people both suicidal one has Bipolar one has Borderline Personality Disorder which one get’s hospitalised for their own safety...? Why of course the one with Bipolar as people see those with PD’s as attention seeking... how many people with BPD have gone on to commit suicide because no one in mental health believed they were unwell... just Google it for the answer... It might also help in Bolton if we had a crisis team that was functioning properly instead of an answer machine where you leave a message and no one bothers to call you back![/p][/quote]If we had to admit every PD and B.P.D we would have to re open those huge asylums we had, that housed thousands of patients Thankfully mental health has moved on since then. Dr Martin
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