Amputee declared "fit to work" and has his benefits cut

Fit to work?

Fit to work?

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MARK Evans cannot walk, has to rely on a mobility scooter and struggles to talk after a tumour left him brain damaged.

But the 50-year-old has been declared “fit for work” and had his benefits cut by £440 a month, leaving him with just £220 to pay his rent, bills and buy food.

Mr Evans, from Daub- hill, has received Incapacity Benefit, now known as Employment and Support Allowance, since 1993 when he suffered a brain injury because of a tumour.

But he had his case reviewed in a Work Capability Assessment as part of a government drive to overhaul the benefits system and his Employment and Support Allowance was stopped.

Mr Evans — who had his left leg amputated below the knee in 2004 due to deep vein thrombosis — launched an appeal, which was recently heard 127 miles away in Workington, Cumbria.

But because of his disability he was unable to travel to the hearing and the case was found against him in his absence.

Mr Evans said: “It’s wrong, they were saying go there, go there, go there, and I couldn’t.”

He has now had his benefits cut from £760 a month to just £320 —and £100 of that has to be spent paying for his mobility scooter so he can have some independence.

Denise Lonsdale, volunteer manager at Bolton Unemployed Advice Centre in Deans- gate, has been fighting to have Mr Evans’s benefits reinstated.

She said if she can not overturn the decision, Mr Evans, faces a three- month wait before he can make a fresh claim for benefits — and in the meantime must survive on just £220.

Ms Lonsdale said: “They had this appeal in Workington but he couldn’t get there.

“The Jobcentre won’t accept him because he’s not fit for work, so he can’t have Employment Support Allowance or Jobseekers Allowance.

“Because his money has been stopped he’s got no money for gas and he needs to keep warm because of his ampu- tation.” This week, Mr Evans was given a crisis loan of £142 to pay his rent and bills, which he has to repay at £8 a week.

A Department for Work and Pensions spokesman said: “The old incapacity benefits system condemned too many people to a life on benefits with little hope of moving back to work.

“Now, people who can work will be given help to find a job while those who need unconditional support will get it. Since 2010 we have considerably improved the Work Capability Assessment process.

“As a result the percentage of people getting long-term unconditional support has more than doubled in two years, but everyone has the right to appeal if they disagree with the outcome of their assessment.”

Ms Lonsdale, a former care worker who has volunteered at the centre for the past 24 years, says Mr Evans’ case is not a one off.

She says her workload has trebled in the past 12 months because of the impact of welfare reforms, the economic downturn, and cuts to other advice services such as the CAB.

She said: “It’s getting worse, with rises in homelessness, redundancies and people needing access to food banks.

“I’m dealing with between 150-200 people a week, people are coming in Saturdays and Sun- days and we’re even giving out bread.”

 

 

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8:46am Sat 23 Mar 13

saj70n says...

The best way to get all benifits is tell them bulls**t that you have come from a war torn country and seeking asylum, the system will bend over backwards to give you things.
The best way to get all benifits is tell them bulls**t that you have come from a war torn country and seeking asylum, the system will bend over backwards to give you things. saj70n
  • Score: 33

8:48am Sat 23 Mar 13

Ms S M Williams says...

Why are so may articles printed with incorrectly hyphenated words?
Why are so may articles printed with incorrectly hyphenated words? Ms S M Williams
  • Score: -16

8:48am Sat 23 Mar 13

natmc83 says...

What a joke, They told my dad he was fit to work, stopped all his money/rent and he died a month later!
What a joke, They told my dad he was fit to work, stopped all his money/rent and he died a month later! natmc83
  • Score: 56

9:00am Sat 23 Mar 13

Ktulu1 says...

Its a conspiracy to bring the size of the population down. Work longer. Work harder. And it appears to be those most in need that lose vital funds. So many similar stories. Disgraceful
Its a conspiracy to bring the size of the population down. Work longer. Work harder. And it appears to be those most in need that lose vital funds. So many similar stories. Disgraceful Ktulu1
  • Score: 51

9:19am Sat 23 Mar 13

Kthspedding says...

I feel sad when I see what the UK has come to, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see this man needs help. Maybe he should paint his face black & get back in line if they will give him room in his chair that is. So sad!.
I feel sad when I see what the UK has come to, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see this man needs help. Maybe he should paint his face black & get back in line if they will give him room in his chair that is. So sad!. Kthspedding
  • Score: 39

9:39am Sat 23 Mar 13

ruined heritage says...

This is an absolute disgrace, a good friend of mine has similar issues, can't walk and her speech is impaired due to a stroke yet she has had her benefits stopped at told she is fit for work, the job centre disagree and she can't make a fresh claim for three months. She has had to give her flat and move away from her friends to live with family miles away. Her quality of life has gone and she just wants to give up on life. This country stinks, if you have the right coloured skin or face fits they will bend over backwards to assist you, yet if you have work all your life and paid in to the system David Cameron wants.to throw you on the scrap heap to die.
This is an absolute disgrace, a good friend of mine has similar issues, can't walk and her speech is impaired due to a stroke yet she has had her benefits stopped at told she is fit for work, the job centre disagree and she can't make a fresh claim for three months. She has had to give her flat and move away from her friends to live with family miles away. Her quality of life has gone and she just wants to give up on life. This country stinks, if you have the right coloured skin or face fits they will bend over backwards to assist you, yet if you have work all your life and paid in to the system David Cameron wants.to throw you on the scrap heap to die. ruined heritage
  • Score: 49

9:49am Sat 23 Mar 13

zoomzam says...

This is a disgrace! The doctors who carry out these tests are paid by a French Company and are taught to be ruthless with the customer. They will not look you in the eyes and will lead you on. Their behavior is scandalous and they treat customers like a piece of cr@p! No one van complain about any of them because the phone lines (complaint ones) are never answered. No emails are answered too! This is a money making scheme and those Doctors who sign up to this French Company are a disgrace to their profession and to the country. They have abandoned the true spirit of caring for patients for greed and avarice. Many of them already earn over £100k a year. Sadly this has become a farce where genuine cases are dismissed. The DWP Minister keeps on going about work but fails to address the issue of the rudeness,greed, avarice, non-compassion,outri
ght disgraceful behavior by doctors and, I might add, so-called Health-care professionals employed by the French Company. This country has already been decimated by Thatcher's privatization of the country's Crown Jewels; Energy companies, telecom,etc. Now we are all paying the price... broken economy with fat bankers!!
This is a disgrace! The doctors who carry out these tests are paid by a French Company and are taught to be ruthless with the customer. They will not look you in the eyes and will lead you on. Their behavior is scandalous and they treat customers like a piece of cr@p! No one van complain about any of them because the phone lines (complaint ones) are never answered. No emails are answered too! This is a money making scheme and those Doctors who sign up to this French Company are a disgrace to their profession and to the country. They have abandoned the true spirit of caring for patients for greed and avarice. Many of them already earn over £100k a year. Sadly this has become a farce where genuine cases are dismissed. The DWP Minister keeps on going about work but fails to address the issue of the rudeness,greed, avarice, non-compassion,outri ght disgraceful behavior by doctors and, I might add, so-called Health-care professionals employed by the French Company. This country has already been decimated by Thatcher's privatization of the country's Crown Jewels; Energy companies, telecom,etc. Now we are all paying the price... broken economy with fat bankers!! zoomzam
  • Score: 72

9:52am Sat 23 Mar 13

piszoff says...

Josef Rudolf Mengele spring to mind with this lot of so called "Health care professionals" at ATOS. If they where trained by the NHS they should be ashamed of themselves or "I'am just obeying orders"
Josef Rudolf Mengele spring to mind with this lot of so called "Health care professionals" at ATOS. If they where trained by the NHS they should be ashamed of themselves or "I'am just obeying orders" piszoff
  • Score: 36

10:05am Sat 23 Mar 13

pstuart says...

Vote Conservative or Liberal Democrat next time and prove what an absolute prat you are!
Vote Conservative or Liberal Democrat next time and prove what an absolute prat you are! pstuart
  • Score: 15

10:07am Sat 23 Mar 13

oftbewildered2 says...

this happened within my family - I helped them out financially from my pension. The whole system is a joke.
this happened within my family - I helped them out financially from my pension. The whole system is a joke. oftbewildered2
  • Score: 28

10:13am Sat 23 Mar 13

Changing times says...

Unfortunately the tax payer and the country cannot afford to pay out for benefits.

Like everyone else cuts to some degree are necessary, especially when deemed fit to carry out some work activity.
Unfortunately the tax payer and the country cannot afford to pay out for benefits. Like everyone else cuts to some degree are necessary, especially when deemed fit to carry out some work activity. Changing times
  • Score: -57

10:27am Sat 23 Mar 13

ruined heritage says...

Changing times wrote:
Unfortunately the tax payer and the country cannot afford to pay out for benefits.

Like everyone else cuts to some degree are necessary, especially when deemed fit to carry out some work activity.
Changing times you are missing the point, this gent and my friend clearly cannot and are not fit for work. Whilst i whole heartedly agree the benefit budget must be cut, these cuts should be forced on the bone idol on council estates who sit at home and think it is fine to have tribes of kids, don't work and the state will pay. Lets also not forget labours 'open door policy' on immigration which allowed anyone to love to the UK for free handouts.
[quote][p][bold]Changing times[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately the tax payer and the country cannot afford to pay out for benefits. Like everyone else cuts to some degree are necessary, especially when deemed fit to carry out some work activity.[/p][/quote]Changing times you are missing the point, this gent and my friend clearly cannot and are not fit for work. Whilst i whole heartedly agree the benefit budget must be cut, these cuts should be forced on the bone idol on council estates who sit at home and think it is fine to have tribes of kids, don't work and the state will pay. Lets also not forget labours 'open door policy' on immigration which allowed anyone to love to the UK for free handouts. ruined heritage
  • Score: 34

10:37am Sat 23 Mar 13

VictoriaJane87 says...

This country sickens me.
This country sickens me. VictoriaJane87
  • Score: 25

10:37am Sat 23 Mar 13

Winston"2+2=5"Smith says...

Expect to see more of this as our countries spending on the welfare bill, NHS, social housing spirals out of control and eventually collapses under the weight of new arrivals. It stands to reason that the rest of us have to "tighten our belts" as due to unfettered immigration and the bleeding hearts brigades insistence that we unquestionably help those who arrive on our shores with spurious claims of asylum. (Ignoring the fact that according to the U.N.'s own rules regarding asylum the person applies for it in the first safe country they arrive in and not the one that gives the most generous handouts).
Add that to the fact that due to our already well established immigration population, vast quantities of money earned in this country are not spent in this country thus helping our economy but are instead sent abroad to help out their families.

Another travesty of injustice is our political masters insistence on continuing with the foreign aid bill whilst ignoring the needy at home. No amount of quantitative easing by the bank of England will stave off the eventual financial collapse.

Until such time as the indigenous population stand up with one voice and categorically state that enough is enough then regrettably people like Mr. Evans will inevitably suffer.

I now fully expect the inevitable and predictable knee jerk accusation of "racism" to be leveled at me from more "left" leaning members of our society as they accuse me of blaming all our ills on immigrants. And to them I say I don't, I blame successive governments for creating the situation. But to my accusers I ask only this, who benefits from mass immigration to theses shores? Employers looking to drive down wages? Political parties looking to swell their voter potential? Greedy overpaid human rights lawyers?

One things for sure it sure as hell isn't the white working class. Anyway budge up and make some room the Romanians and Bulgarians are on their way.
Expect to see more of this as our countries spending on the welfare bill, NHS, social housing spirals out of control and eventually collapses under the weight of new arrivals. It stands to reason that the rest of us have to "tighten our belts" as due to unfettered immigration and the bleeding hearts brigades insistence that we unquestionably help those who arrive on our shores with spurious claims of asylum. (Ignoring the fact that according to the U.N.'s own rules regarding asylum the person applies for it in the first safe country they arrive in and not the one that gives the most generous handouts). Add that to the fact that due to our already well established immigration population, vast quantities of money earned in this country are not spent in this country thus helping our economy but are instead sent abroad to help out their families. Another travesty of injustice is our political masters insistence on continuing with the foreign aid bill whilst ignoring the needy at home. No amount of quantitative easing by the bank of England will stave off the eventual financial collapse. Until such time as the indigenous population stand up with one voice and categorically state that enough is enough then regrettably people like Mr. Evans will inevitably suffer. I now fully expect the inevitable and predictable knee jerk accusation of "racism" to be leveled at me from more "left" leaning members of our society as they accuse me of blaming all our ills on immigrants. And to them I say I don't, I blame successive governments for creating the situation. But to my accusers I ask only this, who benefits from mass immigration to theses shores? Employers looking to drive down wages? Political parties looking to swell their voter potential? Greedy overpaid human rights lawyers? One things for sure it sure as hell isn't the white working class. Anyway budge up and make some room the Romanians and Bulgarians are on their way. Winston"2+2=5"Smith
  • Score: 45

10:40am Sat 23 Mar 13

Ktulu1 says...

ruined heritage wrote:
Changing times wrote:
Unfortunately the tax payer and the country cannot afford to pay out for benefits.

Like everyone else cuts to some degree are necessary, especially when deemed fit to carry out some work activity.
Changing times you are missing the point, this gent and my friend clearly cannot and are not fit for work. Whilst i whole heartedly agree the benefit budget must be cut, these cuts should be forced on the bone idol on council estates who sit at home and think it is fine to have tribes of kids, don't work and the state will pay. Lets also not forget labours 'open door policy' on immigration which allowed anyone to love to the UK for free handouts.
It's people like this lass who the government should be targeting

http://youtu.be/tQYo
q_4w04g

More and more people who genuinely need support are being punished
[quote][p][bold]ruined heritage[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Changing times[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately the tax payer and the country cannot afford to pay out for benefits. Like everyone else cuts to some degree are necessary, especially when deemed fit to carry out some work activity.[/p][/quote]Changing times you are missing the point, this gent and my friend clearly cannot and are not fit for work. Whilst i whole heartedly agree the benefit budget must be cut, these cuts should be forced on the bone idol on council estates who sit at home and think it is fine to have tribes of kids, don't work and the state will pay. Lets also not forget labours 'open door policy' on immigration which allowed anyone to love to the UK for free handouts.[/p][/quote]It's people like this lass who the government should be targeting http://youtu.be/tQYo q_4w04g More and more people who genuinely need support are being punished Ktulu1
  • Score: -1

10:41am Sat 23 Mar 13

Wolfie190 says...

He needs to leave the country and come back without his passport, I'm sure he wont mind a million pound home next door to Paul McCartney.
He needs to leave the country and come back without his passport, I'm sure he wont mind a million pound home next door to Paul McCartney. Wolfie190
  • Score: 17

10:52am Sat 23 Mar 13

neil@ruineduk says...

Its a disgrace. Lets take david camoron, cut off his leg, take 95% of his money off him and see if he copes. This criminal government need to go
Its a disgrace. Lets take david camoron, cut off his leg, take 95% of his money off him and see if he copes. This criminal government need to go neil@ruineduk
  • Score: 33

11:17am Sat 23 Mar 13

ruined heritage says...

This story enforces the fact that David Cameron and George Osbourne are not fit to run UK PLC, failed policies which are failing society , debt rising, growth non existent, massaged unemployment figures as most who lost jobs have ended up in part time work, oh and lets not forget that the UK's credit rating being downgraded later this month!
This story enforces the fact that David Cameron and George Osbourne are not fit to run UK PLC, failed policies which are failing society , debt rising, growth non existent, massaged unemployment figures as most who lost jobs have ended up in part time work, oh and lets not forget that the UK's credit rating being downgraded later this month! ruined heritage
  • Score: 19

11:45am Sat 23 Mar 13

reetpeedoff says...

I failed a work capability assessment in Dec 2011, my wife has to support me now n she's on short-time at work, no jsa (not eligible), no esa either, robbery!!!
I failed a work capability assessment in Dec 2011, my wife has to support me now n she's on short-time at work, no jsa (not eligible), no esa either, robbery!!! reetpeedoff
  • Score: 19

12:06pm Sat 23 Mar 13

boltonnut says...

It looks like this poor chap won't last much longer if he's not helped,he's only 50 years old and he looks llike he's had a hard life.I wonder how many more people are being neglected in the name of "cost cutting"?
It looks like this poor chap won't last much longer if he's not helped,he's only 50 years old and he looks llike he's had a hard life.I wonder how many more people are being neglected in the name of "cost cutting"? boltonnut
  • Score: 38

12:11pm Sat 23 Mar 13

grimtown says...

This case is scandalous and a disgrace!
Too many people under new labour having resided have stayed on incapacity for decades.
There was an article about a family of 7 children with another on the way waiting to be re housed after a fire.
The father was on incapacity suffering from Osteoporosis and had been for a decade why was he so irresponsible to keep fathering children with no means of earning an income to support his expanding family.
I spent seven years on incapacity with horrendous injuries from a road traffic accident and had to retrain & find work but have seen many people at the Bolton Royal happy during that period sit on incapacity benefits as a life style choice.
The truth is there is burdening load on benefits payments can’t continue, feckless selfish idiots fathering children while on benefits year on year are restricting options for genuine cases like this poor sole .
This case is scandalous and a disgrace! Too many people under new labour having resided have stayed on incapacity for decades. There was an article about a family of 7 children with another on the way waiting to be re housed after a fire. The father was on incapacity suffering from Osteoporosis and had been for a decade why was he so irresponsible to keep fathering children with no means of earning an income to support his expanding family. I spent seven years on incapacity with horrendous injuries from a road traffic accident and had to retrain & find work but have seen many people at the Bolton Royal happy during that period sit on incapacity benefits as a life style choice. The truth is there is burdening load on benefits payments can’t continue, feckless selfish idiots fathering children while on benefits year on year are restricting options for genuine cases like this poor sole . grimtown
  • Score: 18

12:22pm Sat 23 Mar 13

temujin says...

I can't understand how he ever became classified as fit for work in the first place, but, when it's clear that he can't travel, having an appeal hearing in Workington stinks of sharp practice intended to prevent him presenting his case. This must be a breach of his human right to a fair hearing of his claim. Can't a firm of solicitors or law centre take on his claim?

And the BN should never have allowed the DWP to get away with a general statement which didn't address this particular case.
I can't understand how he ever became classified as fit for work in the first place, but, when it's clear that he can't travel, having an appeal hearing in Workington stinks of sharp practice intended to prevent him presenting his case. This must be a breach of his human right to a fair hearing of his claim. Can't a firm of solicitors or law centre take on his claim? And the BN should never have allowed the DWP to get away with a general statement which didn't address this particular case. temujin
  • Score: 26

12:30pm Sat 23 Mar 13

BWFC71 says...

Ms S M Williams wrote:
Why are so may articles printed with incorrectly hyphenated words?
Because of the layout the Newsquest (owners of TheBolton News) uses and the way the layout is presented on your computer. Alot of the hyphenated words are so due to fact the words are split between lines on the Newsquest edit program, but once laid out of your screen with advertisments etc then it goes out of alignment and then the words become grammatically wrong.

Basically its a cheap Edit Program that Newsquest is using!
[quote][p][bold]Ms S M Williams[/bold] wrote: Why are so may articles printed with incorrectly hyphenated words?[/p][/quote]Because of the layout the Newsquest (owners of TheBolton News) uses and the way the layout is presented on your computer. Alot of the hyphenated words are so due to fact the words are split between lines on the Newsquest edit program, but once laid out of your screen with advertisments etc then it goes out of alignment and then the words become grammatically wrong. Basically its a cheap Edit Program that Newsquest is using! BWFC71
  • Score: 2

12:34pm Sat 23 Mar 13

BWFC71 says...

Kthspedding wrote:
I feel sad when I see what the UK has come to, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see this man needs help. Maybe he should paint his face black & get back in line if they will give him room in his chair that is. So sad!.
Black is a wrong colour - as they are suffering just as much as whites and yellows and the more decent brown sectors of the human race - but is the ones that originate from a spin-off of India that have messed this country up - and they have no real intention of integrating unless its via Sharia Law!
[quote][p][bold]Kthspedding[/bold] wrote: I feel sad when I see what the UK has come to, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see this man needs help. Maybe he should paint his face black & get back in line if they will give him room in his chair that is. So sad!.[/p][/quote]Black is a wrong colour - as they are suffering just as much as whites and yellows and the more decent brown sectors of the human race - but is the ones that originate from a spin-off of India that have messed this country up - and they have no real intention of integrating unless its via Sharia Law! BWFC71
  • Score: 9

12:35pm Sat 23 Mar 13

BWFC71 says...

temujin wrote:
I can't understand how he ever became classified as fit for work in the first place, but, when it's clear that he can't travel, having an appeal hearing in Workington stinks of sharp practice intended to prevent him presenting his case. This must be a breach of his human right to a fair hearing of his claim. Can't a firm of solicitors or law centre take on his claim?

And the BN should never have allowed the DWP to get away with a general statement which didn't address this particular case.
The BN do not do journalism - the just print other people's news through the various copyrights.
[quote][p][bold]temujin[/bold] wrote: I can't understand how he ever became classified as fit for work in the first place, but, when it's clear that he can't travel, having an appeal hearing in Workington stinks of sharp practice intended to prevent him presenting his case. This must be a breach of his human right to a fair hearing of his claim. Can't a firm of solicitors or law centre take on his claim? And the BN should never have allowed the DWP to get away with a general statement which didn't address this particular case.[/p][/quote]The BN do not do journalism - the just print other people's news through the various copyrights. BWFC71
  • Score: 4

12:47pm Sat 23 Mar 13

buckfuzzby says...

Ms S M Williams wrote:
Why are so may articles printed with incorrectly hyphenated words?
Does it re-ally ma-tter as lo-ng as the point the person trying to get accross is understood?
Ms S-M-Williams should use this forum as a vehicle to help, not hinder people, not everyone made it to "Oxbridge" or the like.
[quote][p][bold]Ms S M Williams[/bold] wrote: Why are so may articles printed with incorrectly hyphenated words?[/p][/quote]Does it re-ally ma-tter as lo-ng as the point the person trying to get accross is understood? Ms S-M-Williams should use this forum as a vehicle to help, not hinder people, not everyone made it to "Oxbridge" or the like. buckfuzzby
  • Score: 5

1:02pm Sat 23 Mar 13

buckfuzzby says...

ruined heritage wrote:
Changing times wrote:
Unfortunately the tax payer and the country cannot afford to pay out for benefits.

Like everyone else cuts to some degree are necessary, especially when deemed fit to carry out some work activity.
Changing times you are missing the point, this gent and my friend clearly cannot and are not fit for work. Whilst i whole heartedly agree the benefit budget must be cut, these cuts should be forced on the bone idol on council estates who sit at home and think it is fine to have tribes of kids, don't work and the state will pay. Lets also not forget labours 'open door policy' on immigration which allowed anyone to love to the UK for free handouts.
Have you given any thought to your comments?
A great many of us are trying to get back some of the money we have paid into the system over the years, we are not scroungers.
I thought National Insurance and Income Tax were paid to cover the cost of old age, illness etc.
[quote][p][bold]ruined heritage[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Changing times[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately the tax payer and the country cannot afford to pay out for benefits. Like everyone else cuts to some degree are necessary, especially when deemed fit to carry out some work activity.[/p][/quote]Changing times you are missing the point, this gent and my friend clearly cannot and are not fit for work. Whilst i whole heartedly agree the benefit budget must be cut, these cuts should be forced on the bone idol on council estates who sit at home and think it is fine to have tribes of kids, don't work and the state will pay. Lets also not forget labours 'open door policy' on immigration which allowed anyone to love to the UK for free handouts.[/p][/quote]Have you given any thought to your comments? A great many of us are trying to get back some of the money we have paid into the system over the years, we are not scroungers. I thought National Insurance and Income Tax were paid to cover the cost of old age, illness etc. buckfuzzby
  • Score: 17

1:07pm Sat 23 Mar 13

buckfuzzby says...

Correction...... only 1 C in across... oops!!
Correction...... only 1 C in across... oops!! buckfuzzby
  • Score: -3

1:19pm Sat 23 Mar 13

BibbleBobble says...

Winston"2+2=5"Smith wrote:
Expect to see more of this as our countries spending on the welfare bill, NHS, social housing spirals out of control and eventually collapses under the weight of new arrivals. It stands to reason that the rest of us have to "tighten our belts" as due to unfettered immigration and the bleeding hearts brigades insistence that we unquestionably help those who arrive on our shores with spurious claims of asylum. (Ignoring the fact that according to the U.N.'s own rules regarding asylum the person applies for it in the first safe country they arrive in and not the one that gives the most generous handouts).
Add that to the fact that due to our already well established immigration population, vast quantities of money earned in this country are not spent in this country thus helping our economy but are instead sent abroad to help out their families.

Another travesty of injustice is our political masters insistence on continuing with the foreign aid bill whilst ignoring the needy at home. No amount of quantitative easing by the bank of England will stave off the eventual financial collapse.

Until such time as the indigenous population stand up with one voice and categorically state that enough is enough then regrettably people like Mr. Evans will inevitably suffer.

I now fully expect the inevitable and predictable knee jerk accusation of "racism" to be leveled at me from more "left" leaning members of our society as they accuse me of blaming all our ills on immigrants. And to them I say I don't, I blame successive governments for creating the situation. But to my accusers I ask only this, who benefits from mass immigration to theses shores? Employers looking to drive down wages? Political parties looking to swell their voter potential? Greedy overpaid human rights lawyers?

One things for sure it sure as hell isn't the white working class. Anyway budge up and make some room the Romanians and Bulgarians are on their way.
"Until such time as the indigenous population stand up with one voice and categorically state that enough is enough then regrettably people like Mr. Evans will inevitably suffer."

Very well said Winston Smith, this course of action is the only one that will save us from the Orwellian Nightmare planned for us all.
[quote][p][bold]Winston"2+2=5"Smith[/bold] wrote: Expect to see more of this as our countries spending on the welfare bill, NHS, social housing spirals out of control and eventually collapses under the weight of new arrivals. It stands to reason that the rest of us have to "tighten our belts" as due to unfettered immigration and the bleeding hearts brigades insistence that we unquestionably help those who arrive on our shores with spurious claims of asylum. (Ignoring the fact that according to the U.N.'s own rules regarding asylum the person applies for it in the first safe country they arrive in and not the one that gives the most generous handouts). Add that to the fact that due to our already well established immigration population, vast quantities of money earned in this country are not spent in this country thus helping our economy but are instead sent abroad to help out their families. Another travesty of injustice is our political masters insistence on continuing with the foreign aid bill whilst ignoring the needy at home. No amount of quantitative easing by the bank of England will stave off the eventual financial collapse. Until such time as the indigenous population stand up with one voice and categorically state that enough is enough then regrettably people like Mr. Evans will inevitably suffer. I now fully expect the inevitable and predictable knee jerk accusation of "racism" to be leveled at me from more "left" leaning members of our society as they accuse me of blaming all our ills on immigrants. And to them I say I don't, I blame successive governments for creating the situation. But to my accusers I ask only this, who benefits from mass immigration to theses shores? Employers looking to drive down wages? Political parties looking to swell their voter potential? Greedy overpaid human rights lawyers? One things for sure it sure as hell isn't the white working class. Anyway budge up and make some room the Romanians and Bulgarians are on their way.[/p][/quote]"Until such time as the indigenous population stand up with one voice and categorically state that enough is enough then regrettably people like Mr. Evans will inevitably suffer." Very well said Winston Smith, this course of action is the only one that will save us from the Orwellian Nightmare planned for us all. BibbleBobble
  • Score: 15

1:26pm Sat 23 Mar 13

ruined heritage says...

BibbleBobble wrote:
Winston"2+2=5"S
mith
wrote:
Expect to see more of this as our countries spending on the welfare bill, NHS, social housing spirals out of control and eventually collapses under the weight of new arrivals. It stands to reason that the rest of us have to "tighten our belts" as due to unfettered immigration and the bleeding hearts brigades insistence that we unquestionably help those who arrive on our shores with spurious claims of asylum. (Ignoring the fact that according to the U.N.'s own rules regarding asylum the person applies for it in the first safe country they arrive in and not the one that gives the most generous handouts).
Add that to the fact that due to our already well established immigration population, vast quantities of money earned in this country are not spent in this country thus helping our economy but are instead sent abroad to help out their families.

Another travesty of injustice is our political masters insistence on continuing with the foreign aid bill whilst ignoring the needy at home. No amount of quantitative easing by the bank of England will stave off the eventual financial collapse.

Until such time as the indigenous population stand up with one voice and categorically state that enough is enough then regrettably people like Mr. Evans will inevitably suffer.

I now fully expect the inevitable and predictable knee jerk accusation of "racism" to be leveled at me from more "left" leaning members of our society as they accuse me of blaming all our ills on immigrants. And to them I say I don't, I blame successive governments for creating the situation. But to my accusers I ask only this, who benefits from mass immigration to theses shores? Employers looking to drive down wages? Political parties looking to swell their voter potential? Greedy overpaid human rights lawyers?

One things for sure it sure as hell isn't the white working class. Anyway budge up and make some room the Romanians and Bulgarians are on their way.
"Until such time as the indigenous population stand up with one voice and categorically state that enough is enough then regrettably people like Mr. Evans will inevitably suffer."

Very well said Winston Smith, this course of action is the only one that will save us from the Orwellian Nightmare planned for us all.
Fantastic post Winston, i properly risk getting slammed too however i do believe if you are an immigrant you should not be allowed to claim a penny from the state for at least three years and anyone who is am immigrant and hasn't worked and contributed to society for over 12 months should be deported. The UK for far too long has been known as the land of free cash and it is about time it stopped and decent rules put in place to protect our own and the vulnerable
[quote][p][bold]BibbleBobble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Winston"2+2=5"S mith[/bold] wrote: Expect to see more of this as our countries spending on the welfare bill, NHS, social housing spirals out of control and eventually collapses under the weight of new arrivals. It stands to reason that the rest of us have to "tighten our belts" as due to unfettered immigration and the bleeding hearts brigades insistence that we unquestionably help those who arrive on our shores with spurious claims of asylum. (Ignoring the fact that according to the U.N.'s own rules regarding asylum the person applies for it in the first safe country they arrive in and not the one that gives the most generous handouts). Add that to the fact that due to our already well established immigration population, vast quantities of money earned in this country are not spent in this country thus helping our economy but are instead sent abroad to help out their families. Another travesty of injustice is our political masters insistence on continuing with the foreign aid bill whilst ignoring the needy at home. No amount of quantitative easing by the bank of England will stave off the eventual financial collapse. Until such time as the indigenous population stand up with one voice and categorically state that enough is enough then regrettably people like Mr. Evans will inevitably suffer. I now fully expect the inevitable and predictable knee jerk accusation of "racism" to be leveled at me from more "left" leaning members of our society as they accuse me of blaming all our ills on immigrants. And to them I say I don't, I blame successive governments for creating the situation. But to my accusers I ask only this, who benefits from mass immigration to theses shores? Employers looking to drive down wages? Political parties looking to swell their voter potential? Greedy overpaid human rights lawyers? One things for sure it sure as hell isn't the white working class. Anyway budge up and make some room the Romanians and Bulgarians are on their way.[/p][/quote]"Until such time as the indigenous population stand up with one voice and categorically state that enough is enough then regrettably people like Mr. Evans will inevitably suffer." Very well said Winston Smith, this course of action is the only one that will save us from the Orwellian Nightmare planned for us all.[/p][/quote]Fantastic post Winston, i properly risk getting slammed too however i do believe if you are an immigrant you should not be allowed to claim a penny from the state for at least three years and anyone who is am immigrant and hasn't worked and contributed to society for over 12 months should be deported. The UK for far too long has been known as the land of free cash and it is about time it stopped and decent rules put in place to protect our own and the vulnerable ruined heritage
  • Score: 17

2:28pm Sat 23 Mar 13

Cathryn C says...

Why wasn't his appeal held in Bolton? When you complete the initial appeal process you get to choose where you want your tribunal heard. Obviously this man couldn't make it to Cumbria under his own steam so why did nobody get it changed to somewhere he could get to?

Also, most of the medical "professionals" who administer ATOS's WCA interviews are nurses and physiotherapists, not GPs. Then after they've completed their "tick box" assessment a power-wielding upstart from the DWP decides that you're a scrounger, rings you up to tell you that in not so many words and cuts your benefit off immediately. Then he goes home happy because he's one scrounger nearer his monthly quota and probably a nice productivity bonus.
Why wasn't his appeal held in Bolton? When you complete the initial appeal process you get to choose where you want your tribunal heard. Obviously this man couldn't make it to Cumbria under his own steam so why did nobody get it changed to somewhere he could get to? Also, most of the medical "professionals" who administer ATOS's WCA interviews are nurses and physiotherapists, not GPs. Then after they've completed their "tick box" assessment a power-wielding upstart from the DWP decides that you're a scrounger, rings you up to tell you that in not so many words and cuts your benefit off immediately. Then he goes home happy because he's one scrounger nearer his monthly quota and probably a nice productivity bonus. Cathryn C
  • Score: 24

2:44pm Sat 23 Mar 13

grimtown says...

BibbleBobble wrote:
Winston"2+2=5"S
mith
wrote:
Expect to see more of this as our countries spending on the welfare bill, NHS, social housing spirals out of control and eventually collapses under the weight of new arrivals. It stands to reason that the rest of us have to "tighten our belts" as due to unfettered immigration and the bleeding hearts brigades insistence that we unquestionably help those who arrive on our shores with spurious claims of asylum. (Ignoring the fact that according to the U.N.'s own rules regarding asylum the person applies for it in the first safe country they arrive in and not the one that gives the most generous handouts).
Add that to the fact that due to our already well established immigration population, vast quantities of money earned in this country are not spent in this country thus helping our economy but are instead sent abroad to help out their families.

Another travesty of injustice is our political masters insistence on continuing with the foreign aid bill whilst ignoring the needy at home. No amount of quantitative easing by the bank of England will stave off the eventual financial collapse.

Until such time as the indigenous population stand up with one voice and categorically state that enough is enough then regrettably people like Mr. Evans will inevitably suffer.

I now fully expect the inevitable and predictable knee jerk accusation of "racism" to be leveled at me from more "left" leaning members of our society as they accuse me of blaming all our ills on immigrants. And to them I say I don't, I blame successive governments for creating the situation. But to my accusers I ask only this, who benefits from mass immigration to theses shores? Employers looking to drive down wages? Political parties looking to swell their voter potential? Greedy overpaid human rights lawyers?

One things for sure it sure as hell isn't the white working class. Anyway budge up and make some room the Romanians and Bulgarians are on their way.
"Until such time as the indigenous population stand up with one voice and categorically state that enough is enough then regrettably people like Mr. Evans will inevitably suffer."

Very well said Winston Smith, this course of action is the only one that will save us from the Orwellian Nightmare planned for us all.
JOIN UKIP THEY ARE MAKING IT VERY UNCOMFORTABLE FOR THE MAINSTREAM PARTIES. IMMIGRATION CONCERNS HAVE BEEN DISMISSED AS RACISM FOR DECADES.
IMMIGRANTS ARE OUTBREADING THE REST OF THE POPULATION. MAKING FUNDS IN SHORT SUPPLY FOR PEOPLE LIKE MARK WHO ARE VICTIMS OF LABOURS IMMIGRATION POLICY.
[quote][p][bold]BibbleBobble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Winston"2+2=5"S mith[/bold] wrote: Expect to see more of this as our countries spending on the welfare bill, NHS, social housing spirals out of control and eventually collapses under the weight of new arrivals. It stands to reason that the rest of us have to "tighten our belts" as due to unfettered immigration and the bleeding hearts brigades insistence that we unquestionably help those who arrive on our shores with spurious claims of asylum. (Ignoring the fact that according to the U.N.'s own rules regarding asylum the person applies for it in the first safe country they arrive in and not the one that gives the most generous handouts). Add that to the fact that due to our already well established immigration population, vast quantities of money earned in this country are not spent in this country thus helping our economy but are instead sent abroad to help out their families. Another travesty of injustice is our political masters insistence on continuing with the foreign aid bill whilst ignoring the needy at home. No amount of quantitative easing by the bank of England will stave off the eventual financial collapse. Until such time as the indigenous population stand up with one voice and categorically state that enough is enough then regrettably people like Mr. Evans will inevitably suffer. I now fully expect the inevitable and predictable knee jerk accusation of "racism" to be leveled at me from more "left" leaning members of our society as they accuse me of blaming all our ills on immigrants. And to them I say I don't, I blame successive governments for creating the situation. But to my accusers I ask only this, who benefits from mass immigration to theses shores? Employers looking to drive down wages? Political parties looking to swell their voter potential? Greedy overpaid human rights lawyers? One things for sure it sure as hell isn't the white working class. Anyway budge up and make some room the Romanians and Bulgarians are on their way.[/p][/quote]"Until such time as the indigenous population stand up with one voice and categorically state that enough is enough then regrettably people like Mr. Evans will inevitably suffer." Very well said Winston Smith, this course of action is the only one that will save us from the Orwellian Nightmare planned for us all.[/p][/quote]JOIN UKIP THEY ARE MAKING IT VERY UNCOMFORTABLE FOR THE MAINSTREAM PARTIES. IMMIGRATION CONCERNS HAVE BEEN DISMISSED AS RACISM FOR DECADES. IMMIGRANTS ARE OUTBREADING THE REST OF THE POPULATION. MAKING FUNDS IN SHORT SUPPLY FOR PEOPLE LIKE MARK WHO ARE VICTIMS OF LABOURS IMMIGRATION POLICY. grimtown
  • Score: 17

3:15pm Sat 23 Mar 13

BoltonGirlxx says...

This is typical, a family lives on my street never seen any of them go to work, wave me off when i go to work and say something like'make sure you work hard' or something like that. They drink all day have massive garden parties where they feed all their friends, he is on the sick. Yet my mother who has a very serious back and muscle problem, who has worked all her life, has been told she is fit for work and had all money stopped. I agree that they need to find the people who are taking advantage. But they work the system to get away with it so the people who do need it are suffering. Its totally wrong and sicking what they are doing to decent people
This is typical, a family lives on my street never seen any of them go to work, wave me off when i go to work and say something like'make sure you work hard' or something like that. They drink all day have massive garden parties where they feed all their friends, he is on the sick. Yet my mother who has a very serious back and muscle problem, who has worked all her life, has been told she is fit for work and had all money stopped. I agree that they need to find the people who are taking advantage. But they work the system to get away with it so the people who do need it are suffering. Its totally wrong and sicking what they are doing to decent people BoltonGirlxx
  • Score: 15

3:49pm Sat 23 Mar 13

BWFC1988 says...

@winston, fantastic point, elequently put.

I'm all for cutting benefits, but this is obviously an unfair decision that will inevitably be over-ruled.

We should adopt the stance that Australia have, if you don't have any money and you have no profession, you're not coming in. If that's against your human rights, tough sh*t.
@winston, fantastic point, elequently put. I'm all for cutting benefits, but this is obviously an unfair decision that will inevitably be over-ruled. We should adopt the stance that Australia have, if you don't have any money and you have no profession, you're not coming in. If that's against your human rights, tough sh*t. BWFC1988
  • Score: 19

4:02pm Sat 23 Mar 13

Lancashire always says...

Its a bit sad that this is just one person mentioned that has been targeted there are thousands upon thousands affected by these disgusting cuts. As a tax payer for 35 years at this moment in time i pay Half in taxes what this man claimed in benefits isn't it about time we as the tax payers had a right to see where our money was going ? not with fancy leaflets and expensive advertising campaigns. If it was spent correctly instead of the upkeep of more and more people not entitled to it ( see how many money gram stores are opened ) we could look after our own and not humiliate real people with making them have to virtually beg to be heard for what is really only a basic living hope someone in `power` is reading this story and acts fast for this man and others in the same leaky boat !!
Its a bit sad that this is just one person mentioned that has been targeted there are thousands upon thousands affected by these disgusting cuts. As a tax payer for 35 years at this moment in time i pay Half in taxes what this man claimed in benefits isn't it about time we as the tax payers had a right to see where our money was going ? not with fancy leaflets and expensive advertising campaigns. If it was spent correctly instead of the upkeep of more and more people not entitled to it ( see how many money gram stores are opened ) we could look after our own and not humiliate real people with making them have to virtually beg to be heard for what is really only a basic living hope someone in `power` is reading this story and acts fast for this man and others in the same leaky boat !! Lancashire always
  • Score: 9

4:06pm Sat 23 Mar 13

davoovad says...

If Mr Evans was a member of the Pakistani community he would have had a team of advisors telling him exactly what he could claim for, they know every claim in the book right down to the last penny, i think we (indiginous brits) should start to help each other out more and maybe we could stop some of these ludicrous decisions being made !!!
If Mr Evans was a member of the Pakistani community he would have had a team of advisors telling him exactly what he could claim for, they know every claim in the book right down to the last penny, i think we (indiginous brits) should start to help each other out more and maybe we could stop some of these ludicrous decisions being made !!! davoovad
  • Score: 13

5:07pm Sat 23 Mar 13

sunfun says...

I was just reading the DWP’s Guidance notes, if this gentleman has the ability to get about with a mobility scooter, then he will lose points through his assessment, and as he can demonstrate the ability to control his scooter then those shills could be transfer to some other activity such as some kind of limited work.

The new assessments don’t take into account what you cannot do; they focus on what you are able, or have the ability to do, and how those skills and abilities could be transferred into the workplace or alternately contribute to society, rather than spend your life on benefits.
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This is a System that was brought in by the Last “LABOUR” government, I was somewhat surprised that “Bolton Unemployed Advice Centre”, manager Denise Lonsdale did not seem to relate that point in her interview with the Bolton News Journalist
I was just reading the DWP’s Guidance notes, if this gentleman has the ability to get about with a mobility scooter, then he will lose points through his assessment, and as he can demonstrate the ability to control his scooter then those shills could be transfer to some other activity such as some kind of limited work. The new assessments don’t take into account what you cannot do; they focus on what you are able, or have the ability to do, and how those skills and abilities could be transferred into the workplace or alternately contribute to society, rather than spend your life on benefits. . This is a System that was brought in by the Last “LABOUR” government, I was somewhat surprised that “Bolton Unemployed Advice Centre”, manager Denise Lonsdale did not seem to relate that point in her interview with the Bolton News Journalist sunfun
  • Score: 7

5:19pm Sat 23 Mar 13

buckfuzzby says...

These foreigners coming into this country know more about the benefits system than people born and bred here, they know what to claim and how to claim. There are offices set up specially to work with these immigrants.also, the ones that arrive illegally by however means, know that if they destroy their passports,birth certificates etc. they cannot be deported because we have to know the country of their origin so we can send them back.
I saw about a dozen being removed from the back of a trailer at a service area on the M4, and judging by the huge smiles on their faces realised that they had made it, this was a couple of years ago...I wonder how many have been sent home...not many, if any.
These foreigners coming into this country know more about the benefits system than people born and bred here, they know what to claim and how to claim. There are offices set up specially to work with these immigrants.also, the ones that arrive illegally by however means, know that if they destroy their passports,birth certificates etc. they cannot be deported because we have to know the country of their origin so we can send them back. I saw about a dozen being removed from the back of a trailer at a service area on the M4, and judging by the huge smiles on their faces realised that they had made it, this was a couple of years ago...I wonder how many have been sent home...not many, if any. buckfuzzby
  • Score: 11

6:00pm Sat 23 Mar 13

sunfun says...

It would be interesting to find out how the new disability assessments are affecting trade in certain pubs in the town centre?
It would be interesting to find out how the new disability assessments are affecting trade in certain pubs in the town centre? sunfun
  • Score: 3

6:11pm Sat 23 Mar 13

aardwolf says...

Superficially this sounds like a tough assessment - if true (remember we only have one side of the story). However as has been pointed out benefits come not from the Government but from tax payers. The money has run out so there are two choices - reduce benefits or increase tax. Sorry but I pay plenty of tax and I don't want to pay any more than I do already. My standard of living is dropping due to budget constraints and I dont want to be any worse off. Put yet another way I work two days a week for nothing at the moment (i.e. due to the deductions from my salary) I have absolutely no intentions of working two and a half or three days for nothing. Sorry but tough!
Superficially this sounds like a tough assessment - if true (remember we only have one side of the story). However as has been pointed out benefits come not from the Government but from tax payers. The money has run out so there are two choices - reduce benefits or increase tax. Sorry but I pay plenty of tax and I don't want to pay any more than I do already. My standard of living is dropping due to budget constraints and I dont want to be any worse off. Put yet another way I work two days a week for nothing at the moment (i.e. due to the deductions from my salary) I have absolutely no intentions of working two and a half or three days for nothing. Sorry but tough! aardwolf
  • Score: -2

6:31pm Sat 23 Mar 13

JOHN HIGHAM says...

Those inbred halfwits that turn round and remove people`s benifit`s when "the person above is missing a leg" Have NO MEDICAL training they are 95% pen pusher`s from any part of the DHS, Ok a lot of people claim for benifit`s that they should not be getting. But what do they want him to do ??? THAT`S IT

He can become a professional footballer because those thick inbred halfwit`s have not got a clue about life and they are committing the crime claiming to be DOCTOR`S......


Get a solicitor and SUE the pillock`s
Those inbred halfwits that turn round and remove people`s benifit`s when "the person above is missing a leg" Have NO MEDICAL training they are 95% pen pusher`s from any part of the DHS, Ok a lot of people claim for benifit`s that they should not be getting. But what do they want him to do ??? THAT`S IT He can become a professional footballer because those thick inbred halfwit`s have not got a clue about life and they are committing the crime claiming to be DOCTOR`S...... Get a solicitor and SUE the pillock`s JOHN HIGHAM
  • Score: 9

6:37pm Sat 23 Mar 13

boydell says...

I would be very interested to know what type of job the Department of Works and Pensions think that this man is capable of.
Maybe they could print a list of jobs they think he could manage to do.

Perhaps he could fill in all the potholes in Bolton, that would keep him in a job for life, or better still, become the leader of the Bolton council....now that's a real easy number !!.

He would then be able to sit back in his mobile scooter and dream all day of how to skin other folk. He wouldn't have a care in the world and be loaded into the bargain !!
I would be very interested to know what type of job the Department of Works and Pensions think that this man is capable of. Maybe they could print a list of jobs they think he could manage to do. Perhaps he could fill in all the potholes in Bolton, that would keep him in a job for life, or better still, become the leader of the Bolton council....now that's a real easy number !!. He would then be able to sit back in his mobile scooter and dream all day of how to skin other folk. He wouldn't have a care in the world and be loaded into the bargain !! boydell
  • Score: 12

6:49pm Sat 23 Mar 13

sunfun says...

boydell wrote:
I would be very interested to know what type of job the Department of Works and Pensions think that this man is capable of. Maybe they could print a list of jobs they think he could manage to do. Perhaps he could fill in all the potholes in Bolton, that would keep him in a job for life, or better still, become the leader of the Bolton council....now that's a real easy number !!. He would then be able to sit back in his mobile scooter and dream all day of how to skin other folk. He wouldn't have a care in the world and be loaded into the bargain !!
I think that you might find he is over qualified to lead Bolton council
[quote][p][bold]boydell[/bold] wrote: I would be very interested to know what type of job the Department of Works and Pensions think that this man is capable of. Maybe they could print a list of jobs they think he could manage to do. Perhaps he could fill in all the potholes in Bolton, that would keep him in a job for life, or better still, become the leader of the Bolton council....now that's a real easy number !!. He would then be able to sit back in his mobile scooter and dream all day of how to skin other folk. He wouldn't have a care in the world and be loaded into the bargain !![/p][/quote]I think that you might find he is over qualified to lead Bolton council sunfun
  • Score: 12

7:07pm Sat 23 Mar 13

Burgman69 says...

Has anyone bothered to add up the welfare bill for the banksters? I can tell you now it runs into billions and billions of pounds.....as does the cost of Mr Duncan 'support your local millionaire' Smith's drive against the poor and disabled; and while you have the calculator out add the cost of a multi-billion pound failed computer system for the health service and thousands of other wasteful projects carried out by this and preceding government idiots. Got any room left on your calculator? didn't think so. This government, along with the European states and the U.S.A. are deliberately sabotaging their economies in order to bring in a one world bank and currency, and the sad thing is they're nearly there and we've let them do it. The welfare bill is peanuts when compared to the waste of governments and the profligate way in which they waste taxpayers money.
Germany used propaganda to implant fear and discord in the masses then, conservatively, the exact figure is unknown, they murdered hundreds of thousands of disabled men women and children - look up some of the stories being run in the Third Reich in the 1930's with regard to the mentally ill and infirm and the disabled - many of them war veterans who fought for their country - the parallels are too close to be ignored. It's not the woman with 11 kids we need to worry about or the X-box armchair warriors, rather it's those fat cats who have plundered the public chest and believe it is their right to play God with our lives... prove me wrong.
Has anyone bothered to add up the welfare bill for the banksters? I can tell you now it runs into billions and billions of pounds.....as does the cost of Mr Duncan 'support your local millionaire' Smith's drive against the poor and disabled; and while you have the calculator out add the cost of a multi-billion pound failed computer system for the health service and thousands of other wasteful projects carried out by this and preceding government idiots. Got any room left on your calculator? didn't think so. This government, along with the European states and the U.S.A. are deliberately sabotaging their economies in order to bring in a one world bank and currency, and the sad thing is they're nearly there and we've let them do it. The welfare bill is peanuts when compared to the waste of governments and the profligate way in which they waste taxpayers money. Germany used propaganda to implant fear and discord in the masses then, conservatively, the exact figure is unknown, they murdered hundreds of thousands of disabled men women and children - look up some of the stories being run in the Third Reich in the 1930's with regard to the mentally ill and infirm and the disabled - many of them war veterans who fought for their country - the parallels are too close to be ignored. It's not the woman with 11 kids we need to worry about or the X-box armchair warriors, rather it's those fat cats who have plundered the public chest and believe it is their right to play God with our lives... prove me wrong. Burgman69
  • Score: 12

7:37pm Sat 23 Mar 13

aardwolf says...

mentalist
mentalist aardwolf
  • Score: -2

8:33pm Sat 23 Mar 13

grimtown says...

Unfortunatley Mr Evans collects the collateral damage caused by new labour.

New labour bailed the banks prosided over unconditionally uncontrolled and un budgeted immigrantion.

Spent billions on wars we should not have entered with miss information given as legitimate justification.

Left a note on in the treasury dept saying "don't bother looking for the money its all gone"


They destroyed the British life as it was none.
Unfortunatley Mr Evans collects the collateral damage caused by new labour. New labour bailed the banks prosided over unconditionally uncontrolled and un budgeted immigrantion. Spent billions on wars we should not have entered with miss information given as legitimate justification. Left a note on in the treasury dept saying "don't bother looking for the money its all gone" They destroyed the British life as it was none. grimtown
  • Score: 3

8:35pm Sat 23 Mar 13

grimtown says...

BibbleBobble wrote:
Winston"2+2=5"S
mith
wrote:
Expect to see more of this as our countries spending on the welfare bill, NHS, social housing spirals out of control and eventually collapses under the weight of new arrivals. It stands to reason that the rest of us have to "tighten our belts" as due to unfettered immigration and the bleeding hearts brigades insistence that we unquestionably help those who arrive on our shores with spurious claims of asylum. (Ignoring the fact that according to the U.N.'s own rules regarding asylum the person applies for it in the first safe country they arrive in and not the one that gives the most generous handouts).
Add that to the fact that due to our already well established immigration population, vast quantities of money earned in this country are not spent in this country thus helping our economy but are instead sent abroad to help out their families.

Another travesty of injustice is our political masters insistence on continuing with the foreign aid bill whilst ignoring the needy at home. No amount of quantitative easing by the bank of England will stave off the eventual financial collapse.

Until such time as the indigenous population stand up with one voice and categorically state that enough is enough then regrettably people like Mr. Evans will inevitably suffer.

I now fully expect the inevitable and predictable knee jerk accusation of "racism" to be leveled at me from more "left" leaning members of our society as they accuse me of blaming all our ills on immigrants. And to them I say I don't, I blame successive governments for creating the situation. But to my accusers I ask only this, who benefits from mass immigration to theses shores? Employers looking to drive down wages? Political parties looking to swell their voter potential? Greedy overpaid human rights lawyers?

One things for sure it sure as hell isn't the white working class. Anyway budge up and make some room the Romanians and Bulgarians are on their way.
"Until such time as the indigenous population stand up with one voice and categorically state that enough is enough then regrettably people like Mr. Evans will inevitably suffer."

Very well said Winston Smith, this course of action is the only one that will save us from the Orwellian Nightmare planned for us all.
Excellent well said
[quote][p][bold]BibbleBobble[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Winston"2+2=5"S mith[/bold] wrote: Expect to see more of this as our countries spending on the welfare bill, NHS, social housing spirals out of control and eventually collapses under the weight of new arrivals. It stands to reason that the rest of us have to "tighten our belts" as due to unfettered immigration and the bleeding hearts brigades insistence that we unquestionably help those who arrive on our shores with spurious claims of asylum. (Ignoring the fact that according to the U.N.'s own rules regarding asylum the person applies for it in the first safe country they arrive in and not the one that gives the most generous handouts). Add that to the fact that due to our already well established immigration population, vast quantities of money earned in this country are not spent in this country thus helping our economy but are instead sent abroad to help out their families. Another travesty of injustice is our political masters insistence on continuing with the foreign aid bill whilst ignoring the needy at home. No amount of quantitative easing by the bank of England will stave off the eventual financial collapse. Until such time as the indigenous population stand up with one voice and categorically state that enough is enough then regrettably people like Mr. Evans will inevitably suffer. I now fully expect the inevitable and predictable knee jerk accusation of "racism" to be leveled at me from more "left" leaning members of our society as they accuse me of blaming all our ills on immigrants. And to them I say I don't, I blame successive governments for creating the situation. But to my accusers I ask only this, who benefits from mass immigration to theses shores? Employers looking to drive down wages? Political parties looking to swell their voter potential? Greedy overpaid human rights lawyers? One things for sure it sure as hell isn't the white working class. Anyway budge up and make some room the Romanians and Bulgarians are on their way.[/p][/quote]"Until such time as the indigenous population stand up with one voice and categorically state that enough is enough then regrettably people like Mr. Evans will inevitably suffer." Very well said Winston Smith, this course of action is the only one that will save us from the Orwellian Nightmare planned for us all.[/p][/quote]Excellent well said grimtown
  • Score: 4

10:41pm Sat 23 Mar 13

bwfc58 says...

I hope every one that is posting comments on this story Vote UKIP in the next local and national elections and tell yours friends . and friends of friends to vote UKIP . and lets all see this once great country become great again . and that people like Mr Mark Evans that need help with Benefits get it and stop once and for all this mass immigration . yes we needed it after the second world war . but we have not needed it for the last 40 years or so and it will only get worst unless we British do some thing about it and Vote UKIP .
I hope every one that is posting comments on this story Vote UKIP in the next local and national elections and tell yours friends . and friends of friends to vote UKIP . and lets all see this once great country become great again . and that people like Mr Mark Evans that need help with Benefits get it and stop once and for all this mass immigration . yes we needed it after the second world war . but we have not needed it for the last 40 years or so and it will only get worst unless we British do some thing about it and Vote UKIP . bwfc58
  • Score: 4

10:48pm Sat 23 Mar 13

danda1 says...

absolutely disgusting, how do they expect the poor man to live!! they give benefits to the less needy and take them off the ones who need them, his case should have been dealt with locally not miles away!!!
absolutely disgusting, how do they expect the poor man to live!! they give benefits to the less needy and take them off the ones who need them, his case should have been dealt with locally not miles away!!! danda1
  • Score: 11

11:11pm Sat 23 Mar 13

I, Ludicrous says...

Everyone's capable of doing something!
Everyone's capable of doing something! I, Ludicrous
  • Score: -16

12:30am Sun 24 Mar 13

ruined heritage says...

I, Ludicrous wrote:
Everyone's capable of doing something!
And what do you suggest tthis gentleman does then eh?
[quote][p][bold]I, Ludicrous[/bold] wrote: Everyone's capable of doing something![/p][/quote]And what do you suggest tthis gentleman does then eh? ruined heritage
  • Score: 15

1:02am Sun 24 Mar 13

Hazelnut2013 says...

It is scandalous!!!! I know for a fact that this man cannot work!! And that is because he is my twin brother. I have seen him suffer through illness, loss & personal tragedies to numerous to mention. I work for my self but cannot afford to help him financially due to the fact that the government that should be helping genuine people like him are charging me ridiculous amounts in tax in order to fund the immigrants & malinergerers whilst chucking our own people in need to the wayside! This government stinks!!!!!!!!
It is scandalous!!!! I know for a fact that this man cannot work!! And that is because he is my twin brother. I have seen him suffer through illness, loss & personal tragedies to numerous to mention. I work for my self but cannot afford to help him financially due to the fact that the government that should be helping genuine people like him are charging me ridiculous amounts in tax in order to fund the immigrants & malinergerers whilst chucking our own people in need to the wayside! This government stinks!!!!!!!! Hazelnut2013
  • Score: 5

1:28am Sun 24 Mar 13

zippo10 says...

aardwolf wrote:
Superficially this sounds like a tough assessment - if true (remember we only have one side of the story). However as has been pointed out benefits come not from the Government but from tax payers. The money has run out so there are two choices - reduce benefits or increase tax. Sorry but I pay plenty of tax and I don't want to pay any more than I do already. My standard of living is dropping due to budget constraints and I dont want to be any worse off. Put yet another way I work two days a week for nothing at the moment (i.e. due to the deductions from my salary) I have absolutely no intentions of working two and a half or three days for nothing. Sorry but tough!
What do you expect to happen to you if you have a terrible accident or are stricken down with some awful disease/illness/disa
bility? Do you not think we the people should help you out? Is that not the sign of a civilised country and people, to support those who through no fault of their own are unable to support themselves?
I worked from being 14, two jobs when I left school, university as a mature student with young children, while my husband worked full time and I worked part time, to enable us to have a decent life. I then continued working, at varying salaries but all very decent and therefore paid high taxes.
I suffered from being in my early 20s with severe back pain but soldiered on and took OTC meds, working up to morphine as the pain got worse. Finally, after almost 30 years of pain I had an MRI and found I have degenerative spinal disease, and rheumatoid arthritis in my spine, shoulders and arms. I worked on until I collapsed in pain and my employers insisted I went to see a specialist, who after seeing my scans, X rays and MRI said he couldn't understand how I had managed to keep working. Finally 37 years after starting to pay tax I had to stop work.
Do you think that I am not entitled to any help off the people and government of this country? I probably paid at least double the average taxes of most British people, more than most would pay if they worked from being 16 to 70 in fact. What do you think I should do? If I can't claim benefits because "tough" you don't want to pay more taxes, what should I do? If you can suggest an alternative to my claiming benefits please let me know as I find it utterly degrading to be dependent on the state.
I do feel that unless you pay into the system, for many years, you should not benefit from the system, so no single mums kept at home until their children are 18, I had to work once my children were a few months old, we couldn't manage on my then husbands wages. Being a stay at home mother is a privilege, not a right, so get all these young, physically fit women into employment.. Get the work shy who claim a "bad back" or "depression" when they are perfectly fit back into employment. But no decent society should force truly disabled and sick people off benefits and into employment they are not fit for.
Spend the millions and millions of pounds paid to ATOS on investigators, watch those with no real medical evidence of an illness and if they are out at the pub and the bookies all the time, or cutting their grass, working on their cars etc, stop their benefits, they are the fakers. Not people like the man in this article, who need support.
In my over 35 years of working hard I never once objected to helping those in need, rather I felt I owed it to society and also knew if I were ever in need I would be helped too, little did I know!. Those who I thought were in need were, the sick and disabled, and the elderly, and I never objected to helping them because I was lucky, disability had not entered my life, and never would, or so I thought. I did however thoroughly object to paying young fit women to sit on their sofas watching Jeremy Kyle because they chose to get pregnant when they could not provide for a child. I objected to paying for new comers to this country who never paid a penny in to the system being able to claim benefits.
The system is failing, it has been for years, but the weakest in our society should not be punished for this failing system. And if I could go to work again I would still not object to paying £30K+ a year in taxes, for those in need.
I hope you never have the need for support from the state and your society, it is a degrading place to be. I now get roughly £100 a week in ESA, after paying hundreds of thousands of pounds into the system, and now I also have to worry that the workers at ATOS could find me fit for work, I need help to get out of bed now, but I look "normal" so what do I do if, and when, that happens? It is a terrifying time for those with real disabilities, both physical and mental who, like me, know they can not and should not work
All we have to look forward to is homelessness, near starvation and probably death due to having to work when we aren't physically able, like tens of thousands have already had happen to them.
Something needs to change and unless we stand up together it isn't going to happen.,
[quote][p][bold]aardwolf[/bold] wrote: Superficially this sounds like a tough assessment - if true (remember we only have one side of the story). However as has been pointed out benefits come not from the Government but from tax payers. The money has run out so there are two choices - reduce benefits or increase tax. Sorry but I pay plenty of tax and I don't want to pay any more than I do already. My standard of living is dropping due to budget constraints and I dont want to be any worse off. Put yet another way I work two days a week for nothing at the moment (i.e. due to the deductions from my salary) I have absolutely no intentions of working two and a half or three days for nothing. Sorry but tough![/p][/quote]What do you expect to happen to you if you have a terrible accident or are stricken down with some awful disease/illness/disa bility? Do you not think we the people should help you out? Is that not the sign of a civilised country and people, to support those who through no fault of their own are unable to support themselves? I worked from being 14, two jobs when I left school, university as a mature student with young children, while my husband worked full time and I worked part time, to enable us to have a decent life. I then continued working, at varying salaries but all very decent and therefore paid high taxes. I suffered from being in my early 20s with severe back pain but soldiered on and took OTC meds, working up to morphine as the pain got worse. Finally, after almost 30 years of pain I had an MRI and found I have degenerative spinal disease, and rheumatoid arthritis in my spine, shoulders and arms. I worked on until I collapsed in pain and my employers insisted I went to see a specialist, who after seeing my scans, X rays and MRI said he couldn't understand how I had managed to keep working. Finally 37 years after starting to pay tax I had to stop work. Do you think that I am not entitled to any help off the people and government of this country? I probably paid at least double the average taxes of most British people, more than most would pay if they worked from being 16 to 70 in fact. What do you think I should do? If I can't claim benefits because "tough" you don't want to pay more taxes, what should I do? If you can suggest an alternative to my claiming benefits please let me know as I find it utterly degrading to be dependent on the state. I do feel that unless you pay into the system, for many years, you should not benefit from the system, so no single mums kept at home until their children are 18, I had to work once my children were a few months old, we couldn't manage on my then husbands wages. Being a stay at home mother is a privilege, not a right, so get all these young, physically fit women into employment.. Get the work shy who claim a "bad back" or "depression" when they are perfectly fit back into employment. But no decent society should force truly disabled and sick people off benefits and into employment they are not fit for. Spend the millions and millions of pounds paid to ATOS on investigators, watch those with no real medical evidence of an illness and if they are out at the pub and the bookies all the time, or cutting their grass, working on their cars etc, stop their benefits, they are the fakers. Not people like the man in this article, who need support. In my over 35 years of working hard I never once objected to helping those in need, rather I felt I owed it to society and also knew if I were ever in need I would be helped too, little did I know!. Those who I thought were in need were, the sick and disabled, and the elderly, and I never objected to helping them because I was lucky, disability had not entered my life, and never would, or so I thought. I did however thoroughly object to paying young fit women to sit on their sofas watching Jeremy Kyle because they chose to get pregnant when they could not provide for a child. I objected to paying for new comers to this country who never paid a penny in to the system being able to claim benefits. The system is failing, it has been for years, but the weakest in our society should not be punished for this failing system. And if I could go to work again I would still not object to paying £30K+ a year in taxes, for those in need. I hope you never have the need for support from the state and your society, it is a degrading place to be. I now get roughly £100 a week in ESA, after paying hundreds of thousands of pounds into the system, and now I also have to worry that the workers at ATOS could find me fit for work, I need help to get out of bed now, but I look "normal" so what do I do if, and when, that happens? It is a terrifying time for those with real disabilities, both physical and mental who, like me, know they can not and should not work All we have to look forward to is homelessness, near starvation and probably death due to having to work when we aren't physically able, like tens of thousands have already had happen to them. Something needs to change and unless we stand up together it isn't going to happen., zippo10
  • Score: 14

9:30am Sun 24 Mar 13

rouzhamo says...

This is disgusting but what is even more disgusting, and frankly frightening for the well-informed rational people of this country, is that there is more anger being directed at immigrants than at Ian Duncan Smith and ATOS.

I'm genuinely scared for the future of his country.
This is disgusting but what is even more disgusting, and frankly frightening for the well-informed rational people of this country, is that there is more anger being directed at immigrants than at Ian Duncan Smith and ATOS. I'm genuinely scared for the future of his country. rouzhamo
  • Score: 2

9:38am Sun 24 Mar 13

Moneymatters says...

If zippo10 would like to contact me at Anne.moneymatters@gm
ail.com I may be able to offer the alternative you are looking for
If zippo10 would like to contact me at Anne.moneymatters@gm ail.com I may be able to offer the alternative you are looking for Moneymatters
  • Score: 0

10:15am Sun 24 Mar 13

grimtown says...

bwfc58 wrote:
I hope every one that is posting comments on this story Vote UKIP in the next local and national elections and tell yours friends . and friends of friends to vote UKIP . and lets all see this once great country become great again . and that people like Mr Mark Evans that need help with Benefits get it and stop once and for all this mass immigration . yes we needed it after the second world war . but we have not needed it for the last 40 years or so and it will only get worst unless we British do some thing about it and Vote UKIP .
Joined UKIP yesterday Nicholas Farage is the only polititian to make any sense.

Bolton Council have pushed residents concerns on immigration in this town as racism for years.

Now today the council house allocation policy is to be made fairer to local residents.

Conservatives Labour and liberals are all trying to cover UKIPs take up of residents real concerns brushed under the carpet as racist remarks by the main parties,

Bolton Council are as guilty of this.
[quote][p][bold]bwfc58[/bold] wrote: I hope every one that is posting comments on this story Vote UKIP in the next local and national elections and tell yours friends . and friends of friends to vote UKIP . and lets all see this once great country become great again . and that people like Mr Mark Evans that need help with Benefits get it and stop once and for all this mass immigration . yes we needed it after the second world war . but we have not needed it for the last 40 years or so and it will only get worst unless we British do some thing about it and Vote UKIP .[/p][/quote]Joined UKIP yesterday Nicholas Farage is the only polititian to make any sense. Bolton Council have pushed residents concerns on immigration in this town as racism for years. Now today the council house allocation policy is to be made fairer to local residents. Conservatives Labour and liberals are all trying to cover UKIPs take up of residents real concerns brushed under the carpet as racist remarks by the main parties, Bolton Council are as guilty of this. grimtown
  • Score: 3

12:54pm Sun 24 Mar 13

rostron says...

for anyone going for these medicals, insist on a recording of it, you are entitled to!
as for this man losing points over using mobility scooter, may I suggest that there are not enough dropped kerbs,for him to gain easy access to pavements,I know, I use one !
Would be stupidity to try & use the roads,to many idiotic drivers!
To summarise,
Hitler,-disabled= death
Think that's what the government of today want !
for anyone going for these medicals, insist on a recording of it, you are entitled to! as for this man losing points over using mobility scooter, may I suggest that there are not enough dropped kerbs,for him to gain easy access to pavements,I know, I use one ! Would be stupidity to try & use the roads,to many idiotic drivers! To summarise, Hitler,-disabled= death Think that's what the government of today want ! rostron
  • Score: 3

1:09pm Sun 24 Mar 13

Weez92 says...

Survival of the fittest
Survival of the fittest Weez92
  • Score: -4

1:18pm Sun 24 Mar 13

forward_thinking says...

No doubt if this gentleman had managed to get to Workington, that would have proved his fitness to commute and therefore be fit for work. It seems that he was damned if he did get to Workington and damned because he could not get there.

ATOS should have to pay penalties for each wrong assessment that is overturned on appeal.
No doubt if this gentleman had managed to get to Workington, that would have proved his fitness to commute and therefore be fit for work. It seems that he was damned if he did get to Workington and damned because he could not get there. ATOS should have to pay penalties for each wrong assessment that is overturned on appeal. forward_thinking
  • Score: 10

1:20pm Sun 24 Mar 13

buckfuzzby says...

boydell wrote:
I would be very interested to know what type of job the Department of Works and Pensions think that this man is capable of.
Maybe they could print a list of jobs they think he could manage to do.

Perhaps he could fill in all the potholes in Bolton, that would keep him in a job for life, or better still, become the leader of the Bolton council....now that's a real easy number !!.

He would then be able to sit back in his mobile scooter and dream all day of how to skin other folk. He wouldn't have a care in the world and be loaded into the bargain !!
Sorry boydell, being leader of the council would not suit his kind of disability, it states in the article that he is disabled, not BRAINDEAD.
[quote][p][bold]boydell[/bold] wrote: I would be very interested to know what type of job the Department of Works and Pensions think that this man is capable of. Maybe they could print a list of jobs they think he could manage to do. Perhaps he could fill in all the potholes in Bolton, that would keep him in a job for life, or better still, become the leader of the Bolton council....now that's a real easy number !!. He would then be able to sit back in his mobile scooter and dream all day of how to skin other folk. He wouldn't have a care in the world and be loaded into the bargain !![/p][/quote]Sorry boydell, being leader of the council would not suit his kind of disability, it states in the article that he is disabled, not BRAINDEAD. buckfuzzby
  • Score: 1

1:28pm Sun 24 Mar 13

Lancashire always says...

I think Zippo 10 may have a new job as a real spokesperson for the real taxpayers where is it going ? group. Well said .Sorry life has turned out so crappy after 35 years hard work hope it gets better for you moving forward X
I think Zippo 10 may have a new job as a real spokesperson for the real taxpayers where is it going ? group. Well said .Sorry life has turned out so crappy after 35 years hard work hope it gets better for you moving forward X Lancashire always
  • Score: 1

1:32pm Sun 24 Mar 13

katebythesea says...

So much distrust and hatred for people of colour. How very sad. This is exactly what the government wants because it takes the focus away from the real issues, tax evasion, corruption, crony hand outs etc etc. Blame the immigrants!! The stories about immigrants getting mansions and huge payouts are completely untrue and designed to draw attention away from the real scandals. Immigrants and asylum seekers live in desperate situations and get between £5 and £36 a week to live on. Think about it. Who would want to come to a country where they are hatred and blamed for everything unless they were desperate? How bad must things be on their own countries? Don't fall for it guys. We are a nation of immigrants. Very few of us can go back more than a few generations without finding that we are from somewhere else. It's the very diversity that made us a great and tolerant nation. Let's concentrate on what we have in common rather than what divides us.
So much distrust and hatred for people of colour. How very sad. This is exactly what the government wants because it takes the focus away from the real issues, tax evasion, corruption, crony hand outs etc etc. Blame the immigrants!! The stories about immigrants getting mansions and huge payouts are completely untrue and designed to draw attention away from the real scandals. Immigrants and asylum seekers live in desperate situations and get between £5 and £36 a week to live on. Think about it. Who would want to come to a country where they are hatred and blamed for everything unless they were desperate? How bad must things be on their own countries? Don't fall for it guys. We are a nation of immigrants. Very few of us can go back more than a few generations without finding that we are from somewhere else. It's the very diversity that made us a great and tolerant nation. Let's concentrate on what we have in common rather than what divides us. katebythesea
  • Score: 0

1:36pm Sun 24 Mar 13

Rev-ol-ution says...

DIRTY tory scum!!!! look at what your doing to our society!!!! STEP INTO THE REAL WORLD AND LOOK AT WHAT YOUR DOING TO YOUR OWN PEOPLE!

REVOLUTION
DIRTY tory scum!!!! look at what your doing to our society!!!! STEP INTO THE REAL WORLD AND LOOK AT WHAT YOUR DOING TO YOUR OWN PEOPLE! REVOLUTION Rev-ol-ution
  • Score: 3

2:42pm Sun 24 Mar 13

grimtown says...

Rev-ol-ution wrote:
DIRTY tory scum!!!! look at what your doing to our society!!!! STEP INTO THE REAL WORLD AND LOOK AT WHAT YOUR DOING TO YOUR OWN PEOPLE!

REVOLUTION
Not like the dirty scum new labour taking us to 2 illegal wars on false pretences and bankrupting the country in the process. Thats why these people are suffering new labour spent all the tax receipts on wars and foreign aid and immigrants.
[quote][p][bold]Rev-ol-ution[/bold] wrote: DIRTY tory scum!!!! look at what your doing to our society!!!! STEP INTO THE REAL WORLD AND LOOK AT WHAT YOUR DOING TO YOUR OWN PEOPLE! REVOLUTION[/p][/quote]Not like the dirty scum new labour taking us to 2 illegal wars on false pretences and bankrupting the country in the process. Thats why these people are suffering new labour spent all the tax receipts on wars and foreign aid and immigrants. grimtown
  • Score: 5

4:02pm Sun 24 Mar 13

Janch1 says...

This is diabolical. A man who is clearly disabled and unable to work has had his benefits cut to this extent and yet I still see able bodied young men wandering around town all day. They have no intention and never will have of going out to work for a living. Dressed in their latest designer gear with the latest mobile phones, tattoos that cost a fortune and their arrogant confrontational attitudes, it makes my blood boil. But still they are living rent free and are obviously getting too much money from the taxpayer. The job centres/benefits offices know the ones who genuinely want to work and the ones who don't. Surely it is time to root out these designer scroungers and put a stop once and for all to their sponging. I overheard a conversation last week from a little group of these parasites. One of them was grumbling he had little credit left on his mobile phone but wasn't too worried as his girlfriend got the family allowance on Friday!!! I rest my case!
This is diabolical. A man who is clearly disabled and unable to work has had his benefits cut to this extent and yet I still see able bodied young men wandering around town all day. They have no intention and never will have of going out to work for a living. Dressed in their latest designer gear with the latest mobile phones, tattoos that cost a fortune and their arrogant confrontational attitudes, it makes my blood boil. But still they are living rent free and are obviously getting too much money from the taxpayer. The job centres/benefits offices know the ones who genuinely want to work and the ones who don't. Surely it is time to root out these designer scroungers and put a stop once and for all to their sponging. I overheard a conversation last week from a little group of these parasites. One of them was grumbling he had little credit left on his mobile phone but wasn't too worried as his girlfriend got the family allowance on Friday!!! I rest my case! Janch1
  • Score: 0

5:33pm Sun 24 Mar 13

Winston"2+2=5"Smith says...

katebythesea wrote:
So much distrust and hatred for people of colour. How very sad. This is exactly what the government wants because it takes the focus away from the real issues, tax evasion, corruption, crony hand outs etc etc. Blame the immigrants!! The stories about immigrants getting mansions and huge payouts are completely untrue and designed to draw attention away from the real scandals. Immigrants and asylum seekers live in desperate situations and get between £5 and £36 a week to live on. Think about it. Who would want to come to a country where they are hatred and blamed for everything unless they were desperate? How bad must things be on their own countries? Don't fall for it guys. We are a nation of immigrants. Very few of us can go back more than a few generations without finding that we are from somewhere else. It's the very diversity that made us a great and tolerant nation. Let's concentrate on what we have in common rather than what divides us.
Katy, clearly you need to take your head out of the clouds and remove those rose tinted spectacles.
First of all nobody mentioned anything to do with a persons skin colour. Skin colour is not the issue here. The issue is that due to successive governments reluctance to deal with the inevitable problems that arise from mass uncontrolled immigration and the "asylum" fiasco then unfortunately due to budget restraints people like Mr. Evans with genuine hard luck cases will inevitably suffer, due to the extra financial pressure put on all public services be they education, social housing or welfare caused directly by the influx of people who have not paid into the system.
I am not disputing your claim Katy that at least some of these people are desperate (but lets be honest here the majority are purely here for an economic reason). The fact of the matter is though is that as a nation we have quite a few desperate and needy people here already why should we expect to be burdened with more ? For instance the level of child poverty just in the constituency of Bolton South East is currently 28% according to the End Child Poverty website. Not to mention the high levels of unemployment, our crumbling transport infrastructure, seriously underfunded N.H.S. and overburdened educational system. Just where do you suggest we find the extra money to feed, clothe, house, educate and provide free healthcare for the continuing stream of people with their hands held out ?

You mention how bad things are in their own countries well there was a time in this country when things were pretty grim for your average Briton and our forefathers had to fight injustices for a fairer society and secure a future for their children and their children's children. Maybe if those so willing to jump ship and head for the land of milk and honey instead stayed at home and fought for their rights and a fairer society their countries would prosper and with time become great places to live.

How many people should we let in Katy ? Where will we put them ? More to the point how will we feed them ? We currently import around 40% of our food. With a rapidly growing population and increasing fuel costs we need to grow a lot more than we currently do. where will we grow it Katy if we continue to build on green belt land so as to accommodate new arrivals ?
Its the "Lets hold hands and hug a rainbow whilst singing Kumbaya" attitude of blinkered people such as yourself who have no foresight to see the problems that we are storing up for the future. We live on a tiny island Katy and we are rapidly running out of space and resources.

Finally please don't trot out your Marxist, overused and totally untrue mantra of "We are a nation of immigrants." "It's the very diversity that made us a great and tolerant nation." claptrap.
We English have a racial heritage going back over a thousand years. True we have welcomed and continue to welcome immigration into our land, but in small amounts and they have fully integrated into our society. Unlike the levels we have today, we are being systematically replaced with a foreign population made up of many different nationalities with no ties or bonds to the host nation. How is this a good thing Katy ? How does this make us a strong nation ?
This nonsense of "We are a nation of immigrants" has been used by the so called left and our political elite for a number of years now as a way of trying to eradicate English pride and heritage and a way of stifling debate on the immigration issue and silencing detractors with accusations of racism.

So just to clarify Katy I believe that people such as Mr. Evans are much more worthy of financial help than someone who has arrived here illegally in the back of a lorry. And if that makes me a racist then I'm proud to be one. It isn't racist to put your own first.
[quote][p][bold]katebythesea[/bold] wrote: So much distrust and hatred for people of colour. How very sad. This is exactly what the government wants because it takes the focus away from the real issues, tax evasion, corruption, crony hand outs etc etc. Blame the immigrants!! The stories about immigrants getting mansions and huge payouts are completely untrue and designed to draw attention away from the real scandals. Immigrants and asylum seekers live in desperate situations and get between £5 and £36 a week to live on. Think about it. Who would want to come to a country where they are hatred and blamed for everything unless they were desperate? How bad must things be on their own countries? Don't fall for it guys. We are a nation of immigrants. Very few of us can go back more than a few generations without finding that we are from somewhere else. It's the very diversity that made us a great and tolerant nation. Let's concentrate on what we have in common rather than what divides us.[/p][/quote]Katy, clearly you need to take your head out of the clouds and remove those rose tinted spectacles. First of all nobody mentioned anything to do with a persons skin colour. Skin colour is not the issue here. The issue is that due to successive governments reluctance to deal with the inevitable problems that arise from mass uncontrolled immigration and the "asylum" fiasco then unfortunately due to budget restraints people like Mr. Evans with genuine hard luck cases will inevitably suffer, due to the extra financial pressure put on all public services be they education, social housing or welfare caused directly by the influx of people who have not paid into the system. I am not disputing your claim Katy that at least some of these people are desperate (but lets be honest here the majority are purely here for an economic reason). The fact of the matter is though is that as a nation we have quite a few desperate and needy people here already why should we expect to be burdened with more ? For instance the level of child poverty just in the constituency of Bolton South East is currently 28% according to the End Child Poverty website. Not to mention the high levels of unemployment, our crumbling transport infrastructure, seriously underfunded N.H.S. and overburdened educational system. Just where do you suggest we find the extra money to feed, clothe, house, educate and provide free healthcare for the continuing stream of people with their hands held out ? You mention how bad things are in their own countries well there was a time in this country when things were pretty grim for your average Briton and our forefathers had to fight injustices for a fairer society and secure a future for their children and their children's children. Maybe if those so willing to jump ship and head for the land of milk and honey instead stayed at home and fought for their rights and a fairer society their countries would prosper and with time become great places to live. How many people should we let in Katy ? Where will we put them ? More to the point how will we feed them ? We currently import around 40% of our food. With a rapidly growing population and increasing fuel costs we need to grow a lot more than we currently do. where will we grow it Katy if we continue to build on green belt land so as to accommodate new arrivals ? Its the "Lets hold hands and hug a rainbow whilst singing Kumbaya" attitude of blinkered people such as yourself who have no foresight to see the problems that we are storing up for the future. We live on a tiny island Katy and we are rapidly running out of space and resources. Finally please don't trot out your Marxist, overused and totally untrue mantra of "We are a nation of immigrants." "It's the very diversity that made us a great and tolerant nation." claptrap. We English have a racial heritage going back over a thousand years. True we have welcomed and continue to welcome immigration into our land, but in small amounts and they have fully integrated into our society. Unlike the levels we have today, we are being systematically replaced with a foreign population made up of many different nationalities with no ties or bonds to the host nation. How is this a good thing Katy ? How does this make us a strong nation ? This nonsense of "We are a nation of immigrants" has been used by the so called left and our political elite for a number of years now as a way of trying to eradicate English pride and heritage and a way of stifling debate on the immigration issue and silencing detractors with accusations of racism. So just to clarify Katy I believe that people such as Mr. Evans are much more worthy of financial help than someone who has arrived here illegally in the back of a lorry. And if that makes me a racist then I'm proud to be one. It isn't racist to put your own first. Winston"2+2=5"Smith
  • Score: 6

7:16pm Sun 24 Mar 13

grimtown says...

Winston"2+2=5"Smith wrote:
katebythesea wrote:
So much distrust and hatred for people of colour. How very sad. This is exactly what the government wants because it takes the focus away from the real issues, tax evasion, corruption, crony hand outs etc etc. Blame the immigrants!! The stories about immigrants getting mansions and huge payouts are completely untrue and designed to draw attention away from the real scandals. Immigrants and asylum seekers live in desperate situations and get between £5 and £36 a week to live on. Think about it. Who would want to come to a country where they are hatred and blamed for everything unless they were desperate? How bad must things be on their own countries? Don't fall for it guys. We are a nation of immigrants. Very few of us can go back more than a few generations without finding that we are from somewhere else. It's the very diversity that made us a great and tolerant nation. Let's concentrate on what we have in common rather than what divides us.
Katy, clearly you need to take your head out of the clouds and remove those rose tinted spectacles.
First of all nobody mentioned anything to do with a persons skin colour. Skin colour is not the issue here. The issue is that due to successive governments reluctance to deal with the inevitable problems that arise from mass uncontrolled immigration and the "asylum" fiasco then unfortunately due to budget restraints people like Mr. Evans with genuine hard luck cases will inevitably suffer, due to the extra financial pressure put on all public services be they education, social housing or welfare caused directly by the influx of people who have not paid into the system.
I am not disputing your claim Katy that at least some of these people are desperate (but lets be honest here the majority are purely here for an economic reason). The fact of the matter is though is that as a nation we have quite a few desperate and needy people here already why should we expect to be burdened with more ? For instance the level of child poverty just in the constituency of Bolton South East is currently 28% according to the End Child Poverty website. Not to mention the high levels of unemployment, our crumbling transport infrastructure, seriously underfunded N.H.S. and overburdened educational system. Just where do you suggest we find the extra money to feed, clothe, house, educate and provide free healthcare for the continuing stream of people with their hands held out ?

You mention how bad things are in their own countries well there was a time in this country when things were pretty grim for your average Briton and our forefathers had to fight injustices for a fairer society and secure a future for their children and their children's children. Maybe if those so willing to jump ship and head for the land of milk and honey instead stayed at home and fought for their rights and a fairer society their countries would prosper and with time become great places to live.

How many people should we let in Katy ? Where will we put them ? More to the point how will we feed them ? We currently import around 40% of our food. With a rapidly growing population and increasing fuel costs we need to grow a lot more than we currently do. where will we grow it Katy if we continue to build on green belt land so as to accommodate new arrivals ?
Its the "Lets hold hands and hug a rainbow whilst singing Kumbaya" attitude of blinkered people such as yourself who have no foresight to see the problems that we are storing up for the future. We live on a tiny island Katy and we are rapidly running out of space and resources.

Finally please don't trot out your Marxist, overused and totally untrue mantra of "We are a nation of immigrants." "It's the very diversity that made us a great and tolerant nation." claptrap.
We English have a racial heritage going back over a thousand years. True we have welcomed and continue to welcome immigration into our land, but in small amounts and they have fully integrated into our society. Unlike the levels we have today, we are being systematically replaced with a foreign population made up of many different nationalities with no ties or bonds to the host nation. How is this a good thing Katy ? How does this make us a strong nation ?
This nonsense of "We are a nation of immigrants" has been used by the so called left and our political elite for a number of years now as a way of trying to eradicate English pride and heritage and a way of stifling debate on the immigration issue and silencing detractors with accusations of racism.

So just to clarify Katy I believe that people such as Mr. Evans are much more worthy of financial help than someone who has arrived here illegally in the back of a lorry. And if that makes me a racist then I'm proud to be one. It isn't racist to put your own first.
Thank you Winston. This country can't support the current number of people natural resources are stretched the south east suffers drought extremely quickly in dry spells as the water supply is at the max most of the time. The gas and food is in short supply.

Our grandfathers would be turning in their graves at labours invasion of these shores.

No there are 9 out of 10 babies in Bolton born to mothers whom where not born in the UK bleeding the state dry.
[quote][p][bold]Winston"2+2=5"Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]katebythesea[/bold] wrote: So much distrust and hatred for people of colour. How very sad. This is exactly what the government wants because it takes the focus away from the real issues, tax evasion, corruption, crony hand outs etc etc. Blame the immigrants!! The stories about immigrants getting mansions and huge payouts are completely untrue and designed to draw attention away from the real scandals. Immigrants and asylum seekers live in desperate situations and get between £5 and £36 a week to live on. Think about it. Who would want to come to a country where they are hatred and blamed for everything unless they were desperate? How bad must things be on their own countries? Don't fall for it guys. We are a nation of immigrants. Very few of us can go back more than a few generations without finding that we are from somewhere else. It's the very diversity that made us a great and tolerant nation. Let's concentrate on what we have in common rather than what divides us.[/p][/quote]Katy, clearly you need to take your head out of the clouds and remove those rose tinted spectacles. First of all nobody mentioned anything to do with a persons skin colour. Skin colour is not the issue here. The issue is that due to successive governments reluctance to deal with the inevitable problems that arise from mass uncontrolled immigration and the "asylum" fiasco then unfortunately due to budget restraints people like Mr. Evans with genuine hard luck cases will inevitably suffer, due to the extra financial pressure put on all public services be they education, social housing or welfare caused directly by the influx of people who have not paid into the system. I am not disputing your claim Katy that at least some of these people are desperate (but lets be honest here the majority are purely here for an economic reason). The fact of the matter is though is that as a nation we have quite a few desperate and needy people here already why should we expect to be burdened with more ? For instance the level of child poverty just in the constituency of Bolton South East is currently 28% according to the End Child Poverty website. Not to mention the high levels of unemployment, our crumbling transport infrastructure, seriously underfunded N.H.S. and overburdened educational system. Just where do you suggest we find the extra money to feed, clothe, house, educate and provide free healthcare for the continuing stream of people with their hands held out ? You mention how bad things are in their own countries well there was a time in this country when things were pretty grim for your average Briton and our forefathers had to fight injustices for a fairer society and secure a future for their children and their children's children. Maybe if those so willing to jump ship and head for the land of milk and honey instead stayed at home and fought for their rights and a fairer society their countries would prosper and with time become great places to live. How many people should we let in Katy ? Where will we put them ? More to the point how will we feed them ? We currently import around 40% of our food. With a rapidly growing population and increasing fuel costs we need to grow a lot more than we currently do. where will we grow it Katy if we continue to build on green belt land so as to accommodate new arrivals ? Its the "Lets hold hands and hug a rainbow whilst singing Kumbaya" attitude of blinkered people such as yourself who have no foresight to see the problems that we are storing up for the future. We live on a tiny island Katy and we are rapidly running out of space and resources. Finally please don't trot out your Marxist, overused and totally untrue mantra of "We are a nation of immigrants." "It's the very diversity that made us a great and tolerant nation." claptrap. We English have a racial heritage going back over a thousand years. True we have welcomed and continue to welcome immigration into our land, but in small amounts and they have fully integrated into our society. Unlike the levels we have today, we are being systematically replaced with a foreign population made up of many different nationalities with no ties or bonds to the host nation. How is this a good thing Katy ? How does this make us a strong nation ? This nonsense of "We are a nation of immigrants" has been used by the so called left and our political elite for a number of years now as a way of trying to eradicate English pride and heritage and a way of stifling debate on the immigration issue and silencing detractors with accusations of racism. So just to clarify Katy I believe that people such as Mr. Evans are much more worthy of financial help than someone who has arrived here illegally in the back of a lorry. And if that makes me a racist then I'm proud to be one. It isn't racist to put your own first.[/p][/quote]Thank you Winston. This country can't support the current number of people natural resources are stretched the south east suffers drought extremely quickly in dry spells as the water supply is at the max most of the time. The gas and food is in short supply. Our grandfathers would be turning in their graves at labours invasion of these shores. No there are 9 out of 10 babies in Bolton born to mothers whom where not born in the UK bleeding the state dry. grimtown
  • Score: 6

7:33pm Sun 24 Mar 13

rouzhamo says...

katebythesea wrote:
So much distrust and hatred for people of colour. How very sad. This is exactly what the government wants because it takes the focus away from the real issues, tax evasion, corruption, crony hand outs etc etc. Blame the immigrants!! The stories about immigrants getting mansions and huge payouts are completely untrue and designed to draw attention away from the real scandals. Immigrants and asylum seekers live in desperate situations and get between £5 and £36 a week to live on. Think about it. Who would want to come to a country where they are hatred and blamed for everything unless they were desperate? How bad must things be on their own countries? Don't fall for it guys. We are a nation of immigrants. Very few of us can go back more than a few generations without finding that we are from somewhere else. It's the very diversity that made us a great and tolerant nation. Let's concentrate on what we have in common rather than what divides us.
Couldn't have said it better. The lemmings are being taken for a ride, the whole immigration thing is a total non-story. A convenient smokescreen that deflects from the real issues. It's sad so many people have been taken in, they even create username with UKIP in, it's an utterly desperate state of affairs. I mean Jon Gaunt has just joined the party for crying out loud, you could go down your local any night of the week and establish a more credible political party.

700,00 benefit claimants have been sanctioned in the past year. For the sole purpose of maintaining the 'million new jobs/unemployment is falling' myth.

1 million new jobs, the vast majority of which come from:

transferring public sector jobs to private sector jobs.
creating part-time low-paid jobs
creating zero hour low-paid jobs
making unemployed people call them 'self employed'
.......and best of all
workfare. people being forced into unpaid work for parasites like poundland, and crock charities like the sally army.

these are all counted as jobs, and make up the vast majority of these 1 million new jobs.

i could go on and on about all their sneaky, horrible, dishonest things this government are doing.

if you think immigration is to blame, open your eyes, there's a whole world of information out there. much of it agenda-less. you're lucky enough to live in the internet age. make use of it, don't be brainwashed by downmarket newspapers with an agenda to push.

how is immigration harming the economy? fyi the main issue we're facing are is the barriers to entry for high-quality foreign students and chinese tourists (who are spending huge wads of cash in paris because they don't need to fill in dossiers of information just for a travel visa).
[quote][p][bold]katebythesea[/bold] wrote: So much distrust and hatred for people of colour. How very sad. This is exactly what the government wants because it takes the focus away from the real issues, tax evasion, corruption, crony hand outs etc etc. Blame the immigrants!! The stories about immigrants getting mansions and huge payouts are completely untrue and designed to draw attention away from the real scandals. Immigrants and asylum seekers live in desperate situations and get between £5 and £36 a week to live on. Think about it. Who would want to come to a country where they are hatred and blamed for everything unless they were desperate? How bad must things be on their own countries? Don't fall for it guys. We are a nation of immigrants. Very few of us can go back more than a few generations without finding that we are from somewhere else. It's the very diversity that made us a great and tolerant nation. Let's concentrate on what we have in common rather than what divides us.[/p][/quote]Couldn't have said it better. The lemmings are being taken for a ride, the whole immigration thing is a total non-story. A convenient smokescreen that deflects from the real issues. It's sad so many people have been taken in, they even create username with UKIP in, it's an utterly desperate state of affairs. I mean Jon Gaunt has just joined the party for crying out loud, you could go down your local any night of the week and establish a more credible political party. 700,00 benefit claimants have been sanctioned in the past year. For the sole purpose of maintaining the 'million new jobs/unemployment is falling' myth. 1 million new jobs, the vast majority of which come from: transferring public sector jobs to private sector jobs. creating part-time low-paid jobs creating zero hour low-paid jobs making unemployed people call them 'self employed' .......and best of all workfare. people being forced into unpaid work for parasites like poundland, and crock charities like the sally army. these are all counted as jobs, and make up the vast majority of these 1 million new jobs. i could go on and on about all their sneaky, horrible, dishonest things this government are doing. if you think immigration is to blame, open your eyes, there's a whole world of information out there. much of it agenda-less. you're lucky enough to live in the internet age. make use of it, don't be brainwashed by downmarket newspapers with an agenda to push. how is immigration harming the economy? fyi the main issue we're facing are is the barriers to entry for high-quality foreign students and chinese tourists (who are spending huge wads of cash in paris because they don't need to fill in dossiers of information just for a travel visa). rouzhamo
  • Score: -2

7:51pm Sun 24 Mar 13

Kdee1au says...

BWFC1988 wrote:
@winston, fantastic point, elequently put.

I'm all for cutting benefits, but this is obviously an unfair decision that will inevitably be over-ruled.

We should adopt the stance that Australia have, if you don't have any money and you have no profession, you're not coming in. If that's against your human rights, tough sh*t.
have you been to Australia? I live here and that is certainly not a true reflection of our immigration policy, sounds more like the US to me.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC1988[/bold] wrote: @winston, fantastic point, elequently put. I'm all for cutting benefits, but this is obviously an unfair decision that will inevitably be over-ruled. We should adopt the stance that Australia have, if you don't have any money and you have no profession, you're not coming in. If that's against your human rights, tough sh*t.[/p][/quote]have you been to Australia? I live here and that is certainly not a true reflection of our immigration policy, sounds more like the US to me. Kdee1au
  • Score: 4

7:56pm Sun 24 Mar 13

Weez92 says...

To be fair, what use is he to anyone? Most other species but humans would have let him die if he can't manage by himself. Get rid of the useless and the useful will take care of themselves.
To be fair, what use is he to anyone? Most other species but humans would have let him die if he can't manage by himself. Get rid of the useless and the useful will take care of themselves. Weez92
  • Score: -5

8:09pm Sun 24 Mar 13

aardwolf says...

zippo10 wrote:
aardwolf wrote:
Superficially this sounds like a tough assessment - if true (remember we only have one side of the story). However as has been pointed out benefits come not from the Government but from tax payers. The money has run out so there are two choices - reduce benefits or increase tax. Sorry but I pay plenty of tax and I don't want to pay any more than I do already. My standard of living is dropping due to budget constraints and I dont want to be any worse off. Put yet another way I work two days a week for nothing at the moment (i.e. due to the deductions from my salary) I have absolutely no intentions of working two and a half or three days for nothing. Sorry but tough!
What do you expect to happen to you if you have a terrible accident or are stricken down with some awful disease/illness/disa

bility? Do you not think we the people should help you out? Is that not the sign of a civilised country and people, to support those who through no fault of their own are unable to support themselves?
I worked from being 14, two jobs when I left school, university as a mature student with young children, while my husband worked full time and I worked part time, to enable us to have a decent life. I then continued working, at varying salaries but all very decent and therefore paid high taxes.
I suffered from being in my early 20s with severe back pain but soldiered on and took OTC meds, working up to morphine as the pain got worse. Finally, after almost 30 years of pain I had an MRI and found I have degenerative spinal disease, and rheumatoid arthritis in my spine, shoulders and arms. I worked on until I collapsed in pain and my employers insisted I went to see a specialist, who after seeing my scans, X rays and MRI said he couldn't understand how I had managed to keep working. Finally 37 years after starting to pay tax I had to stop work.
Do you think that I am not entitled to any help off the people and government of this country? I probably paid at least double the average taxes of most British people, more than most would pay if they worked from being 16 to 70 in fact. What do you think I should do? If I can't claim benefits because "tough" you don't want to pay more taxes, what should I do? If you can suggest an alternative to my claiming benefits please let me know as I find it utterly degrading to be dependent on the state.
I do feel that unless you pay into the system, for many years, you should not benefit from the system, so no single mums kept at home until their children are 18, I had to work once my children were a few months old, we couldn't manage on my then husbands wages. Being a stay at home mother is a privilege, not a right, so get all these young, physically fit women into employment.. Get the work shy who claim a "bad back" or "depression" when they are perfectly fit back into employment. But no decent society should force truly disabled and sick people off benefits and into employment they are not fit for.
Spend the millions and millions of pounds paid to ATOS on investigators, watch those with no real medical evidence of an illness and if they are out at the pub and the bookies all the time, or cutting their grass, working on their cars etc, stop their benefits, they are the fakers. Not people like the man in this article, who need support.
In my over 35 years of working hard I never once objected to helping those in need, rather I felt I owed it to society and also knew if I were ever in need I would be helped too, little did I know!. Those who I thought were in need were, the sick and disabled, and the elderly, and I never objected to helping them because I was lucky, disability had not entered my life, and never would, or so I thought. I did however thoroughly object to paying young fit women to sit on their sofas watching Jeremy Kyle because they chose to get pregnant when they could not provide for a child. I objected to paying for new comers to this country who never paid a penny in to the system being able to claim benefits.
The system is failing, it has been for years, but the weakest in our society should not be punished for this failing system. And if I could go to work again I would still not object to paying £30K+ a year in taxes, for those in need.
I hope you never have the need for support from the state and your society, it is a degrading place to be. I now get roughly £100 a week in ESA, after paying hundreds of thousands of pounds into the system, and now I also have to worry that the workers at ATOS could find me fit for work, I need help to get out of bed now, but I look "normal" so what do I do if, and when, that happens? It is a terrifying time for those with real disabilities, both physical and mental who, like me, know they can not and should not work
All we have to look forward to is homelessness, near starvation and probably death due to having to work when we aren't physically able, like tens of thousands have already had happen to them.
Something needs to change and unless we stand up together it isn't going to happen.,
yadda yadda yadda. If after 35 years of work you have nothing to show for it but the ability to claim benefits then more fool you. If I am genuinely unable to work then I would hope that I do qualify for help. But I hope I would show some sort of gratitude to the poor sods who are working themselves into an early grave to pay people who spend an astonishing amount of time alive considering their serious illnesses. The contempt and lack of respect that benefits recipients show workers beggars belief.
[quote][p][bold]zippo10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aardwolf[/bold] wrote: Superficially this sounds like a tough assessment - if true (remember we only have one side of the story). However as has been pointed out benefits come not from the Government but from tax payers. The money has run out so there are two choices - reduce benefits or increase tax. Sorry but I pay plenty of tax and I don't want to pay any more than I do already. My standard of living is dropping due to budget constraints and I dont want to be any worse off. Put yet another way I work two days a week for nothing at the moment (i.e. due to the deductions from my salary) I have absolutely no intentions of working two and a half or three days for nothing. Sorry but tough![/p][/quote]What do you expect to happen to you if you have a terrible accident or are stricken down with some awful disease/illness/disa bility? Do you not think we the people should help you out? Is that not the sign of a civilised country and people, to support those who through no fault of their own are unable to support themselves? I worked from being 14, two jobs when I left school, university as a mature student with young children, while my husband worked full time and I worked part time, to enable us to have a decent life. I then continued working, at varying salaries but all very decent and therefore paid high taxes. I suffered from being in my early 20s with severe back pain but soldiered on and took OTC meds, working up to morphine as the pain got worse. Finally, after almost 30 years of pain I had an MRI and found I have degenerative spinal disease, and rheumatoid arthritis in my spine, shoulders and arms. I worked on until I collapsed in pain and my employers insisted I went to see a specialist, who after seeing my scans, X rays and MRI said he couldn't understand how I had managed to keep working. Finally 37 years after starting to pay tax I had to stop work. Do you think that I am not entitled to any help off the people and government of this country? I probably paid at least double the average taxes of most British people, more than most would pay if they worked from being 16 to 70 in fact. What do you think I should do? If I can't claim benefits because "tough" you don't want to pay more taxes, what should I do? If you can suggest an alternative to my claiming benefits please let me know as I find it utterly degrading to be dependent on the state. I do feel that unless you pay into the system, for many years, you should not benefit from the system, so no single mums kept at home until their children are 18, I had to work once my children were a few months old, we couldn't manage on my then husbands wages. Being a stay at home mother is a privilege, not a right, so get all these young, physically fit women into employment.. Get the work shy who claim a "bad back" or "depression" when they are perfectly fit back into employment. But no decent society should force truly disabled and sick people off benefits and into employment they are not fit for. Spend the millions and millions of pounds paid to ATOS on investigators, watch those with no real medical evidence of an illness and if they are out at the pub and the bookies all the time, or cutting their grass, working on their cars etc, stop their benefits, they are the fakers. Not people like the man in this article, who need support. In my over 35 years of working hard I never once objected to helping those in need, rather I felt I owed it to society and also knew if I were ever in need I would be helped too, little did I know!. Those who I thought were in need were, the sick and disabled, and the elderly, and I never objected to helping them because I was lucky, disability had not entered my life, and never would, or so I thought. I did however thoroughly object to paying young fit women to sit on their sofas watching Jeremy Kyle because they chose to get pregnant when they could not provide for a child. I objected to paying for new comers to this country who never paid a penny in to the system being able to claim benefits. The system is failing, it has been for years, but the weakest in our society should not be punished for this failing system. And if I could go to work again I would still not object to paying £30K+ a year in taxes, for those in need. I hope you never have the need for support from the state and your society, it is a degrading place to be. I now get roughly £100 a week in ESA, after paying hundreds of thousands of pounds into the system, and now I also have to worry that the workers at ATOS could find me fit for work, I need help to get out of bed now, but I look "normal" so what do I do if, and when, that happens? It is a terrifying time for those with real disabilities, both physical and mental who, like me, know they can not and should not work All we have to look forward to is homelessness, near starvation and probably death due to having to work when we aren't physically able, like tens of thousands have already had happen to them. Something needs to change and unless we stand up together it isn't going to happen.,[/p][/quote]yadda yadda yadda. If after 35 years of work you have nothing to show for it but the ability to claim benefits then more fool you. If I am genuinely unable to work then I would hope that I do qualify for help. But I hope I would show some sort of gratitude to the poor sods who are working themselves into an early grave to pay people who spend an astonishing amount of time alive considering their serious illnesses. The contempt and lack of respect that benefits recipients show workers beggars belief. aardwolf
  • Score: 1

8:32pm Sun 24 Mar 13

Citizen Cane says...

The government expenditure funding shortfall is around £120bn a year. Immigrants cost at least £5bn a year, but even if they cost £20bn, that still leaves a huge shortfall. How will that be made-up without belt tightening?

Why is nobody criticising the self-employed builders and others doing cash jobs? That is a tax fraud.

Why is nobody suggesting that prison conditions be severely downgraded? Who cares about criminals?

Why is nobody suggesting that the public sector contains too many overpaid fools?

Why is nobody suggesting that there are malingerers masquerading as disabled? Because there are and that spoils it for the genuine cases.

UKIP is not the answer : their sums don't add-up - increase benefits and lower taxes : that is a fools paradise. Wholesale benefit and tax reform is the only way forward.
The government expenditure funding shortfall is around £120bn a year. Immigrants cost at least £5bn a year, but even if they cost £20bn, that still leaves a huge shortfall. How will that be made-up without belt tightening? Why is nobody criticising the self-employed builders and others doing cash jobs? That is a tax fraud. Why is nobody suggesting that prison conditions be severely downgraded? Who cares about criminals? Why is nobody suggesting that the public sector contains too many overpaid fools? Why is nobody suggesting that there are malingerers masquerading as disabled? Because there are and that spoils it for the genuine cases. UKIP is not the answer : their sums don't add-up - increase benefits and lower taxes : that is a fools paradise. Wholesale benefit and tax reform is the only way forward. Citizen Cane
  • Score: -3

10:28pm Sun 24 Mar 13

buckfuzzby says...

Citizen Cane wrote:
The government expenditure funding shortfall is around £120bn a year. Immigrants cost at least £5bn a year, but even if they cost £20bn, that still leaves a huge shortfall. How will that be made-up without belt tightening?

Why is nobody criticising the self-employed builders and others doing cash jobs? That is a tax fraud.

Why is nobody suggesting that prison conditions be severely downgraded? Who cares about criminals?

Why is nobody suggesting that the public sector contains too many overpaid fools?

Why is nobody suggesting that there are malingerers masquerading as disabled? Because there are and that spoils it for the genuine cases.

UKIP is not the answer : their sums don't add-up - increase benefits and lower taxes : that is a fools paradise. Wholesale benefit and tax reform is the only way forward.
Well said Citizen Cane, it's about time we all looked at the bigger picture.
[quote][p][bold]Citizen Cane[/bold] wrote: The government expenditure funding shortfall is around £120bn a year. Immigrants cost at least £5bn a year, but even if they cost £20bn, that still leaves a huge shortfall. How will that be made-up without belt tightening? Why is nobody criticising the self-employed builders and others doing cash jobs? That is a tax fraud. Why is nobody suggesting that prison conditions be severely downgraded? Who cares about criminals? Why is nobody suggesting that the public sector contains too many overpaid fools? Why is nobody suggesting that there are malingerers masquerading as disabled? Because there are and that spoils it for the genuine cases. UKIP is not the answer : their sums don't add-up - increase benefits and lower taxes : that is a fools paradise. Wholesale benefit and tax reform is the only way forward.[/p][/quote]Well said Citizen Cane, it's about time we all looked at the bigger picture. buckfuzzby
  • Score: -4

2:28am Mon 25 Mar 13

historyteacher says...

Did immigrants cause the credit crunch? No, it was bankers. Rich English bankers. The government, made up of English people, guts the country and forces all of us, whether in work on on benefits, to struggle whilst letting RBS bankers award themselves big bonuses and rich companies avoid paying tax. The amount of money fraudulently claimed by the poor is a pittance compared to that creamed off by the rich and yet only the poor get demonized. Whilst the government distracts us with racist bigotry they are getting away with destroying our society. No jobs through their mismanagement. They will take away benefits for people who have worked all their lives paying in to this system. They will destroy the nhs and thus free health care. They will tax you for an extra bedroom in your house when they're no smaller housing options available. This is all being done by rich English people.
Did immigrants cause the credit crunch? No, it was bankers. Rich English bankers. The government, made up of English people, guts the country and forces all of us, whether in work on on benefits, to struggle whilst letting RBS bankers award themselves big bonuses and rich companies avoid paying tax. The amount of money fraudulently claimed by the poor is a pittance compared to that creamed off by the rich and yet only the poor get demonized. Whilst the government distracts us with racist bigotry they are getting away with destroying our society. No jobs through their mismanagement. They will take away benefits for people who have worked all their lives paying in to this system. They will destroy the nhs and thus free health care. They will tax you for an extra bedroom in your house when they're no smaller housing options available. This is all being done by rich English people. historyteacher
  • Score: 2

9:12am Mon 25 Mar 13

Moneymatters says...

Why is it that you are all caught up in the blame game. I have solutions , see Asset Awakening page on Facebook and get in touch.
Why is it that you are all caught up in the blame game. I have solutions , see Asset Awakening page on Facebook and get in touch. Moneymatters
  • Score: -1

10:00am Mon 25 Mar 13

rouzhamo says...

historyteacher wrote:
Did immigrants cause the credit crunch? No, it was bankers. Rich English bankers. The government, made up of English people, guts the country and forces all of us, whether in work on on benefits, to struggle whilst letting RBS bankers award themselves big bonuses and rich companies avoid paying tax. The amount of money fraudulently claimed by the poor is a pittance compared to that creamed off by the rich and yet only the poor get demonized. Whilst the government distracts us with racist bigotry they are getting away with destroying our society. No jobs through their mismanagement. They will take away benefits for people who have worked all their lives paying in to this system. They will destroy the nhs and thus free health care. They will tax you for an extra bedroom in your house when they're no smaller housing options available. This is all being done by rich English people.
Very well said.

Don't forget the EU want to cap bankers bonuses. Why do you think Osbourne, Cameron and Boris are so desperate to stop them. Osbourne is creaming it in, loose fiscal policy and lax banking regulations equals money in their pockets. Plenty now, but an absolute fortune when they leave office. Look at Blair, look at Clinton, they're absolutely creaming it in, speaking assignments on behalf of too big to fail banks at what, half a million a pop.

So apart from everything else, a vote for UKIP is a vote for our politicans to continue creaming money from the poor, while the rich get richer. Forget the EU, forget immigration, we need a party that stands up for hard-working honest people. A party that aren't afraid to let failing banks fail. Do you really think the likes of Farage and Neil Hamilton care about improving the living standards of the lower classes. Do you really think they would be any different to Cameron and Osbourne? Anyone who says yes is guessing, plain and simple.
[quote][p][bold]historyteacher[/bold] wrote: Did immigrants cause the credit crunch? No, it was bankers. Rich English bankers. The government, made up of English people, guts the country and forces all of us, whether in work on on benefits, to struggle whilst letting RBS bankers award themselves big bonuses and rich companies avoid paying tax. The amount of money fraudulently claimed by the poor is a pittance compared to that creamed off by the rich and yet only the poor get demonized. Whilst the government distracts us with racist bigotry they are getting away with destroying our society. No jobs through their mismanagement. They will take away benefits for people who have worked all their lives paying in to this system. They will destroy the nhs and thus free health care. They will tax you for an extra bedroom in your house when they're no smaller housing options available. This is all being done by rich English people.[/p][/quote]Very well said. Don't forget the EU want to cap bankers bonuses. Why do you think Osbourne, Cameron and Boris are so desperate to stop them. Osbourne is creaming it in, loose fiscal policy and lax banking regulations equals money in their pockets. Plenty now, but an absolute fortune when they leave office. Look at Blair, look at Clinton, they're absolutely creaming it in, speaking assignments on behalf of too big to fail banks at what, half a million a pop. So apart from everything else, a vote for UKIP is a vote for our politicans to continue creaming money from the poor, while the rich get richer. Forget the EU, forget immigration, we need a party that stands up for hard-working honest people. A party that aren't afraid to let failing banks fail. Do you really think the likes of Farage and Neil Hamilton care about improving the living standards of the lower classes. Do you really think they would be any different to Cameron and Osbourne? Anyone who says yes is guessing, plain and simple. rouzhamo
  • Score: 1

12:42pm Mon 25 Mar 13

JohnTheBaptist says...

The whole countries a joke.

The bull war on terror has brought the country and the world to this.
The whole countries a joke. The bull war on terror has brought the country and the world to this. JohnTheBaptist
  • Score: 3

1:42pm Mon 25 Mar 13

Rememberscarborough says...

A couple of practical points. It takes something like three hours and costs £50+ to get from Bolton to Workington by train and if the appeal was at 10.00am is likely to necessitate a stay over at a hotel. Are those making this assessment saying that those receiving benefits should have enough cash built in to the amount of benefits they receive to pay for rail travel and hotel accommodation? Also, I traveled on the train over the weekend and it was hard for me to get on and off as an able bodied person so how is a disabled person meant to be able to do this?

Those holding the appeal in Workington for an appellant from Bolton are truly evil and I hope that what goes around comes around.
A couple of practical points. It takes something like three hours and costs £50+ to get from Bolton to Workington by train and if the appeal was at 10.00am is likely to necessitate a stay over at a hotel. Are those making this assessment saying that those receiving benefits should have enough cash built in to the amount of benefits they receive to pay for rail travel and hotel accommodation? Also, I traveled on the train over the weekend and it was hard for me to get on and off as an able bodied person so how is a disabled person meant to be able to do this? Those holding the appeal in Workington for an appellant from Bolton are truly evil and I hope that what goes around comes around. Rememberscarborough
  • Score: 6

8:48pm Mon 25 Mar 13

hoboh2o says...

"Although it is difficult to know how many people reside in the UK illegally, a Home Office study released in March 2005 estimated a population of between 310,000 and 570,000".

And that is not people 'entitled' to come here via the EU!

Those who preach there is no problem quite clearly have NO idea about the scale of the problem this country faces or choose to be politically correct and just call others racists
"Although it is difficult to know how many people reside in the UK illegally, a Home Office study released in March 2005 estimated a population of between 310,000 and 570,000". And that is not people 'entitled' to come here via the EU! Those who preach there is no problem quite clearly have NO idea about the scale of the problem this country faces or choose to be politically correct and just call others racists hoboh2o
  • Score: 2

7:16am Tue 26 Mar 13

jellbellkell says...

Winston"2+2=5"Smith wrote:
katebythesea wrote:
So much distrust and hatred for people of colour. How very sad. This is exactly what the government wants because it takes the focus away from the real issues, tax evasion, corruption, crony hand outs etc etc. Blame the immigrants!! The stories about immigrants getting mansions and huge payouts are completely untrue and designed to draw attention away from the real scandals. Immigrants and asylum seekers live in desperate situations and get between £5 and £36 a week to live on. Think about it. Who would want to come to a country where they are hatred and blamed for everything unless they were desperate? How bad must things be on their own countries? Don't fall for it guys. We are a nation of immigrants. Very few of us can go back more than a few generations without finding that we are from somewhere else. It's the very diversity that made us a great and tolerant nation. Let's concentrate on what we have in common rather than what divides us.
Katy, clearly you need to take your head out of the clouds and remove those rose tinted spectacles.
First of all nobody mentioned anything to do with a persons skin colour. Skin colour is not the issue here. The issue is that due to successive governments reluctance to deal with the inevitable problems that arise from mass uncontrolled immigration and the "asylum" fiasco then unfortunately due to budget restraints people like Mr. Evans with genuine hard luck cases will inevitably suffer, due to the extra financial pressure put on all public services be they education, social housing or welfare caused directly by the influx of people who have not paid into the system.
I am not disputing your claim Katy that at least some of these people are desperate (but lets be honest here the majority are purely here for an economic reason). The fact of the matter is though is that as a nation we have quite a few desperate and needy people here already why should we expect to be burdened with more ? For instance the level of child poverty just in the constituency of Bolton South East is currently 28% according to the End Child Poverty website. Not to mention the high levels of unemployment, our crumbling transport infrastructure, seriously underfunded N.H.S. and overburdened educational system. Just where do you suggest we find the extra money to feed, clothe, house, educate and provide free healthcare for the continuing stream of people with their hands held out ?

You mention how bad things are in their own countries well there was a time in this country when things were pretty grim for your average Briton and our forefathers had to fight injustices for a fairer society and secure a future for their children and their children's children. Maybe if those so willing to jump ship and head for the land of milk and honey instead stayed at home and fought for their rights and a fairer society their countries would prosper and with time become great places to live.

How many people should we let in Katy ? Where will we put them ? More to the point how will we feed them ? We currently import around 40% of our food. With a rapidly growing population and increasing fuel costs we need to grow a lot more than we currently do. where will we grow it Katy if we continue to build on green belt land so as to accommodate new arrivals ?
Its the "Lets hold hands and hug a rainbow whilst singing Kumbaya" attitude of blinkered people such as yourself who have no foresight to see the problems that we are storing up for the future. We live on a tiny island Katy and we are rapidly running out of space and resources.

Finally please don't trot out your Marxist, overused and totally untrue mantra of "We are a nation of immigrants." "It's the very diversity that made us a great and tolerant nation." claptrap.
We English have a racial heritage going back over a thousand years. True we have welcomed and continue to welcome immigration into our land, but in small amounts and they have fully integrated into our society. Unlike the levels we have today, we are being systematically replaced with a foreign population made up of many different nationalities with no ties or bonds to the host nation. How is this a good thing Katy ? How does this make us a strong nation ?
This nonsense of "We are a nation of immigrants" has been used by the so called left and our political elite for a number of years now as a way of trying to eradicate English pride and heritage and a way of stifling debate on the immigration issue and silencing detractors with accusations of racism.

So just to clarify Katy I believe that people such as Mr. Evans are much more worthy of financial help than someone who has arrived here illegally in the back of a lorry. And if that makes me a racist then I'm proud to be one. It isn't racist to put your own first.
VERY WELL SAID

*salute you :)
[quote][p][bold]Winston"2+2=5"Smith[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]katebythesea[/bold] wrote: So much distrust and hatred for people of colour. How very sad. This is exactly what the government wants because it takes the focus away from the real issues, tax evasion, corruption, crony hand outs etc etc. Blame the immigrants!! The stories about immigrants getting mansions and huge payouts are completely untrue and designed to draw attention away from the real scandals. Immigrants and asylum seekers live in desperate situations and get between £5 and £36 a week to live on. Think about it. Who would want to come to a country where they are hatred and blamed for everything unless they were desperate? How bad must things be on their own countries? Don't fall for it guys. We are a nation of immigrants. Very few of us can go back more than a few generations without finding that we are from somewhere else. It's the very diversity that made us a great and tolerant nation. Let's concentrate on what we have in common rather than what divides us.[/p][/quote]Katy, clearly you need to take your head out of the clouds and remove those rose tinted spectacles. First of all nobody mentioned anything to do with a persons skin colour. Skin colour is not the issue here. The issue is that due to successive governments reluctance to deal with the inevitable problems that arise from mass uncontrolled immigration and the "asylum" fiasco then unfortunately due to budget restraints people like Mr. Evans with genuine hard luck cases will inevitably suffer, due to the extra financial pressure put on all public services be they education, social housing or welfare caused directly by the influx of people who have not paid into the system. I am not disputing your claim Katy that at least some of these people are desperate (but lets be honest here the majority are purely here for an economic reason). The fact of the matter is though is that as a nation we have quite a few desperate and needy people here already why should we expect to be burdened with more ? For instance the level of child poverty just in the constituency of Bolton South East is currently 28% according to the End Child Poverty website. Not to mention the high levels of unemployment, our crumbling transport infrastructure, seriously underfunded N.H.S. and overburdened educational system. Just where do you suggest we find the extra money to feed, clothe, house, educate and provide free healthcare for the continuing stream of people with their hands held out ? You mention how bad things are in their own countries well there was a time in this country when things were pretty grim for your average Briton and our forefathers had to fight injustices for a fairer society and secure a future for their children and their children's children. Maybe if those so willing to jump ship and head for the land of milk and honey instead stayed at home and fought for their rights and a fairer society their countries would prosper and with time become great places to live. How many people should we let in Katy ? Where will we put them ? More to the point how will we feed them ? We currently import around 40% of our food. With a rapidly growing population and increasing fuel costs we need to grow a lot more than we currently do. where will we grow it Katy if we continue to build on green belt land so as to accommodate new arrivals ? Its the "Lets hold hands and hug a rainbow whilst singing Kumbaya" attitude of blinkered people such as yourself who have no foresight to see the problems that we are storing up for the future. We live on a tiny island Katy and we are rapidly running out of space and resources. Finally please don't trot out your Marxist, overused and totally untrue mantra of "We are a nation of immigrants." "It's the very diversity that made us a great and tolerant nation." claptrap. We English have a racial heritage going back over a thousand years. True we have welcomed and continue to welcome immigration into our land, but in small amounts and they have fully integrated into our society. Unlike the levels we have today, we are being systematically replaced with a foreign population made up of many different nationalities with no ties or bonds to the host nation. How is this a good thing Katy ? How does this make us a strong nation ? This nonsense of "We are a nation of immigrants" has been used by the so called left and our political elite for a number of years now as a way of trying to eradicate English pride and heritage and a way of stifling debate on the immigration issue and silencing detractors with accusations of racism. So just to clarify Katy I believe that people such as Mr. Evans are much more worthy of financial help than someone who has arrived here illegally in the back of a lorry. And if that makes me a racist then I'm proud to be one. It isn't racist to put your own first.[/p][/quote]VERY WELL SAID *salute you :) jellbellkell
  • Score: 2

10:40am Tue 26 Mar 13

hoboh2o says...

aardwolf wrote:
zippo10 wrote:
aardwolf wrote:
Superficially this sounds like a tough assessment - if true (remember we only have one side of the story). However as has been pointed out benefits come not from the Government but from tax payers. The money has run out so there are two choices - reduce benefits or increase tax. Sorry but I pay plenty of tax and I don't want to pay any more than I do already. My standard of living is dropping due to budget constraints and I dont want to be any worse off. Put yet another way I work two days a week for nothing at the moment (i.e. due to the deductions from my salary) I have absolutely no intentions of working two and a half or three days for nothing. Sorry but tough!
What do you expect to happen to you if you have a terrible accident or are stricken down with some awful disease/illness/disa


bility? Do you not think we the people should help you out? Is that not the sign of a civilised country and people, to support those who through no fault of their own are unable to support themselves?
I worked from being 14, two jobs when I left school, university as a mature student with young children, while my husband worked full time and I worked part time, to enable us to have a decent life. I then continued working, at varying salaries but all very decent and therefore paid high taxes.
I suffered from being in my early 20s with severe back pain but soldiered on and took OTC meds, working up to morphine as the pain got worse. Finally, after almost 30 years of pain I had an MRI and found I have degenerative spinal disease, and rheumatoid arthritis in my spine, shoulders and arms. I worked on until I collapsed in pain and my employers insisted I went to see a specialist, who after seeing my scans, X rays and MRI said he couldn't understand how I had managed to keep working. Finally 37 years after starting to pay tax I had to stop work.
Do you think that I am not entitled to any help off the people and government of this country? I probably paid at least double the average taxes of most British people, more than most would pay if they worked from being 16 to 70 in fact. What do you think I should do? If I can't claim benefits because "tough" you don't want to pay more taxes, what should I do? If you can suggest an alternative to my claiming benefits please let me know as I find it utterly degrading to be dependent on the state.
I do feel that unless you pay into the system, for many years, you should not benefit from the system, so no single mums kept at home until their children are 18, I had to work once my children were a few months old, we couldn't manage on my then husbands wages. Being a stay at home mother is a privilege, not a right, so get all these young, physically fit women into employment.. Get the work shy who claim a "bad back" or "depression" when they are perfectly fit back into employment. But no decent society should force truly disabled and sick people off benefits and into employment they are not fit for.
Spend the millions and millions of pounds paid to ATOS on investigators, watch those with no real medical evidence of an illness and if they are out at the pub and the bookies all the time, or cutting their grass, working on their cars etc, stop their benefits, they are the fakers. Not people like the man in this article, who need support.
In my over 35 years of working hard I never once objected to helping those in need, rather I felt I owed it to society and also knew if I were ever in need I would be helped too, little did I know!. Those who I thought were in need were, the sick and disabled, and the elderly, and I never objected to helping them because I was lucky, disability had not entered my life, and never would, or so I thought. I did however thoroughly object to paying young fit women to sit on their sofas watching Jeremy Kyle because they chose to get pregnant when they could not provide for a child. I objected to paying for new comers to this country who never paid a penny in to the system being able to claim benefits.
The system is failing, it has been for years, but the weakest in our society should not be punished for this failing system. And if I could go to work again I would still not object to paying £30K+ a year in taxes, for those in need.
I hope you never have the need for support from the state and your society, it is a degrading place to be. I now get roughly £100 a week in ESA, after paying hundreds of thousands of pounds into the system, and now I also have to worry that the workers at ATOS could find me fit for work, I need help to get out of bed now, but I look "normal" so what do I do if, and when, that happens? It is a terrifying time for those with real disabilities, both physical and mental who, like me, know they can not and should not work
All we have to look forward to is homelessness, near starvation and probably death due to having to work when we aren't physically able, like tens of thousands have already had happen to them.
Something needs to change and unless we stand up together it isn't going to happen.,
yadda yadda yadda. If after 35 years of work you have nothing to show for it but the ability to claim benefits then more fool you. If I am genuinely unable to work then I would hope that I do qualify for help. But I hope I would show some sort of gratitude to the poor sods who are working themselves into an early grave to pay people who spend an astonishing amount of time alive considering their serious illnesses. The contempt and lack of respect that benefits recipients show workers beggars belief.
I hope one day you need help pal then I can come on here and post we should just shoot you and your family and have done with it!!
There are people who need help from time to time and they should get it, not all are skivers.
The worst thing that happened with disability benefits was Labour moving folk onto them for minor things to massage the unemployment figures, there are folk who should not be on disability but cases like this take the **** out of everyone.
[quote][p][bold]aardwolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zippo10[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]aardwolf[/bold] wrote: Superficially this sounds like a tough assessment - if true (remember we only have one side of the story). However as has been pointed out benefits come not from the Government but from tax payers. The money has run out so there are two choices - reduce benefits or increase tax. Sorry but I pay plenty of tax and I don't want to pay any more than I do already. My standard of living is dropping due to budget constraints and I dont want to be any worse off. Put yet another way I work two days a week for nothing at the moment (i.e. due to the deductions from my salary) I have absolutely no intentions of working two and a half or three days for nothing. Sorry but tough![/p][/quote]What do you expect to happen to you if you have a terrible accident or are stricken down with some awful disease/illness/disa bility? Do you not think we the people should help you out? Is that not the sign of a civilised country and people, to support those who through no fault of their own are unable to support themselves? I worked from being 14, two jobs when I left school, university as a mature student with young children, while my husband worked full time and I worked part time, to enable us to have a decent life. I then continued working, at varying salaries but all very decent and therefore paid high taxes. I suffered from being in my early 20s with severe back pain but soldiered on and took OTC meds, working up to morphine as the pain got worse. Finally, after almost 30 years of pain I had an MRI and found I have degenerative spinal disease, and rheumatoid arthritis in my spine, shoulders and arms. I worked on until I collapsed in pain and my employers insisted I went to see a specialist, who after seeing my scans, X rays and MRI said he couldn't understand how I had managed to keep working. Finally 37 years after starting to pay tax I had to stop work. Do you think that I am not entitled to any help off the people and government of this country? I probably paid at least double the average taxes of most British people, more than most would pay if they worked from being 16 to 70 in fact. What do you think I should do? If I can't claim benefits because "tough" you don't want to pay more taxes, what should I do? If you can suggest an alternative to my claiming benefits please let me know as I find it utterly degrading to be dependent on the state. I do feel that unless you pay into the system, for many years, you should not benefit from the system, so no single mums kept at home until their children are 18, I had to work once my children were a few months old, we couldn't manage on my then husbands wages. Being a stay at home mother is a privilege, not a right, so get all these young, physically fit women into employment.. Get the work shy who claim a "bad back" or "depression" when they are perfectly fit back into employment. But no decent society should force truly disabled and sick people off benefits and into employment they are not fit for. Spend the millions and millions of pounds paid to ATOS on investigators, watch those with no real medical evidence of an illness and if they are out at the pub and the bookies all the time, or cutting their grass, working on their cars etc, stop their benefits, they are the fakers. Not people like the man in this article, who need support. In my over 35 years of working hard I never once objected to helping those in need, rather I felt I owed it to society and also knew if I were ever in need I would be helped too, little did I know!. Those who I thought were in need were, the sick and disabled, and the elderly, and I never objected to helping them because I was lucky, disability had not entered my life, and never would, or so I thought. I did however thoroughly object to paying young fit women to sit on their sofas watching Jeremy Kyle because they chose to get pregnant when they could not provide for a child. I objected to paying for new comers to this country who never paid a penny in to the system being able to claim benefits. The system is failing, it has been for years, but the weakest in our society should not be punished for this failing system. And if I could go to work again I would still not object to paying £30K+ a year in taxes, for those in need. I hope you never have the need for support from the state and your society, it is a degrading place to be. I now get roughly £100 a week in ESA, after paying hundreds of thousands of pounds into the system, and now I also have to worry that the workers at ATOS could find me fit for work, I need help to get out of bed now, but I look "normal" so what do I do if, and when, that happens? It is a terrifying time for those with real disabilities, both physical and mental who, like me, know they can not and should not work All we have to look forward to is homelessness, near starvation and probably death due to having to work when we aren't physically able, like tens of thousands have already had happen to them. Something needs to change and unless we stand up together it isn't going to happen.,[/p][/quote]yadda yadda yadda. If after 35 years of work you have nothing to show for it but the ability to claim benefits then more fool you. If I am genuinely unable to work then I would hope that I do qualify for help. But I hope I would show some sort of gratitude to the poor sods who are working themselves into an early grave to pay people who spend an astonishing amount of time alive considering their serious illnesses. The contempt and lack of respect that benefits recipients show workers beggars belief.[/p][/quote]I hope one day you need help pal then I can come on here and post we should just shoot you and your family and have done with it!! There are people who need help from time to time and they should get it, not all are skivers. The worst thing that happened with disability benefits was Labour moving folk onto them for minor things to massage the unemployment figures, there are folk who should not be on disability but cases like this take the **** out of everyone. hoboh2o
  • Score: 3

1:22pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Albinosupport says...

ruined heritage wrote:
Changing times wrote:
Unfortunately the tax payer and the country cannot afford to pay out for benefits.

Like everyone else cuts to some degree are necessary, especially when deemed fit to carry out some work activity.
Changing times you are missing the point, this gent and my friend clearly cannot and are not fit for work. Whilst i whole heartedly agree the benefit budget must be cut, these cuts should be forced on the bone idol on council estates who sit at home and think it is fine to have tribes of kids, don't work and the state will pay. Lets also not forget labours 'open door policy' on immigration which allowed anyone to love to the UK for free handouts.
So Ruined heritage all people from council houses are lazy dole scroungers who churn babies out and sit on their fat backsides watching Jeremy Kyle all day - how steryotypical are you!

Both my husband and I both work full time, have two children and live on a council estate, and most of the residents on the estate work too.

Sometimes its down to some horrible experience that we end up on these estates.

This poor bloke has unfotunately been caught up in the new system that quite obviously does not work. My heart goes out to him.
[quote][p][bold]ruined heritage[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Changing times[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately the tax payer and the country cannot afford to pay out for benefits. Like everyone else cuts to some degree are necessary, especially when deemed fit to carry out some work activity.[/p][/quote]Changing times you are missing the point, this gent and my friend clearly cannot and are not fit for work. Whilst i whole heartedly agree the benefit budget must be cut, these cuts should be forced on the bone idol on council estates who sit at home and think it is fine to have tribes of kids, don't work and the state will pay. Lets also not forget labours 'open door policy' on immigration which allowed anyone to love to the UK for free handouts.[/p][/quote]So Ruined heritage all people from council houses are lazy dole scroungers who churn babies out and sit on their fat backsides watching Jeremy Kyle all day - how steryotypical are you! Both my husband and I both work full time, have two children and live on a council estate, and most of the residents on the estate work too. Sometimes its down to some horrible experience that we end up on these estates. This poor bloke has unfotunately been caught up in the new system that quite obviously does not work. My heart goes out to him. Albinosupport
  • Score: 4

3:00pm Tue 26 Mar 13

zoomzam says...

Everyone seems to forget the billions spent on foreign wars. Have you ever wondered why there are so many asylum-seekers in the UK? Here goes:
1) Invasion of Iraq led to thousands of Iraqis and Kurds running to Europe to seek shelter. The UK Government(s) could do nothing about this. Go to any town/city in the UK and you will see hundreds of these Iraqis on the streets. See: eg Derby St in Bolton.
2) Fighting America's war in Afghanistan. Again thousands of Afghan refugees in the UK.
3) Creating enmity with Iran. Again obligation to take on thousands of refugees from there. Just wait till some idiot decides to wage war against them...and then see a flood!
4) Syria. War monger Hague will create another influx.
5) Blair created enmity with Mugabe in Zimbabwe. Result: over 350,000 Zimbabwean refugees in the UK today.
The first two wars are over. Why hasn't the UK Government sent these Asyluim seekers back home? Iraq is safe for the Kurds.Infact the North of Iraq is virtually independent...Kurdis
tan.
All these wars have created havoc not only in the UK Society but has drained resources from the UK Economy. The cost of these wars is not only the deaths of Servicemen and women (and horrific injuries) but the monetary cost of it.
Just sit back and think of all this....a mass influx of asylum seekers because someone decided to go to war.....you cannot have your cake and eat it too!
Everyone seems to forget the billions spent on foreign wars. Have you ever wondered why there are so many asylum-seekers in the UK? Here goes: 1) Invasion of Iraq led to thousands of Iraqis and Kurds running to Europe to seek shelter. The UK Government(s) could do nothing about this. Go to any town/city in the UK and you will see hundreds of these Iraqis on the streets. See: eg Derby St in Bolton. 2) Fighting America's war in Afghanistan. Again thousands of Afghan refugees in the UK. 3) Creating enmity with Iran. Again obligation to take on thousands of refugees from there. Just wait till some idiot decides to wage war against them...and then see a flood! 4) Syria. War monger Hague will create another influx. 5) Blair created enmity with Mugabe in Zimbabwe. Result: over 350,000 Zimbabwean refugees in the UK today. The first two wars are over. Why hasn't the UK Government sent these Asyluim seekers back home? Iraq is safe for the Kurds.Infact the North of Iraq is virtually independent...Kurdis tan. All these wars have created havoc not only in the UK Society but has drained resources from the UK Economy. The cost of these wars is not only the deaths of Servicemen and women (and horrific injuries) but the monetary cost of it. Just sit back and think of all this....a mass influx of asylum seekers because someone decided to go to war.....you cannot have your cake and eat it too! zoomzam
  • Score: 5

3:10pm Tue 26 Mar 13

zoomzam says...

As of 2010 the war in Iraq and Afghanistan had cost over £20billion! The final cost is likely to double...
The Top four countries from where Asylum seekers have come from are Afghanistan,Zimbabwe
,Iran and Iraq.
As of 2010 the war in Iraq and Afghanistan had cost over £20billion! The final cost is likely to double... The Top four countries from where Asylum seekers have come from are Afghanistan,Zimbabwe ,Iran and Iraq. zoomzam
  • Score: 4

3:14pm Tue 26 Mar 13

Duce says...

I walked into a Hospital on the 12/10/2009 for a routine operation that went wrong on my left knee by a butcher from Hungary, I was working full time as I have since 1980 and now I am waiting to have my left leg off but the government still treats me as a scrounger. I would love to go back to work which I could do tomorrow but there is nothing I can do I am on morphine and cannot bend my leg so I cannot use a wheelchair till my leg is off then I will get a falls leg and I hope I can get back to work. If I cannot work again then I do not wish to live in a world that treats me as a scrounger. The Government should help the people from this country and not send millions of pounds to other country’s plus giving thousands to illegal immigrants. For those that think that I am a racist I am not I have Indian and black friends.
I walked into a Hospital on the 12/10/2009 for a routine operation that went wrong on my left knee by a butcher from Hungary, I was working full time as I have since 1980 and now I am waiting to have my left leg off but the government still treats me as a scrounger. I would love to go back to work which I could do tomorrow but there is nothing I can do I am on morphine and cannot bend my leg so I cannot use a wheelchair till my leg is off then I will get a falls leg and I hope I can get back to work. If I cannot work again then I do not wish to live in a world that treats me as a scrounger. The Government should help the people from this country and not send millions of pounds to other country’s plus giving thousands to illegal immigrants. For those that think that I am a racist I am not I have Indian and black friends. Duce
  • Score: 3

3:25pm Tue 26 Mar 13

zoomzam says...

saj70n wrote:
The best way to get all benifits is tell them bulls**t that you have come from a war torn country and seeking asylum, the system will bend over backwards to give you things.
Most of these have come from countries which the UK has either invaded or meddled in. Its there for you to see. Iraq/Afghanistan/Ira
n/Zimbabwe(Top 5 where Asylum seekers to the UK come from)....did you by any chance support these Wars or the meddling in them by the UK? Interesting....Somet
imes the average local is gungha ho about going to war...and then complains about the consequences. You cannot have it both ways! Or can you??
[quote][p][bold]saj70n[/bold] wrote: The best way to get all benifits is tell them bulls**t that you have come from a war torn country and seeking asylum, the system will bend over backwards to give you things.[/p][/quote]Most of these have come from countries which the UK has either invaded or meddled in. Its there for you to see. Iraq/Afghanistan/Ira n/Zimbabwe(Top 5 where Asylum seekers to the UK come from)....did you by any chance support these Wars or the meddling in them by the UK? Interesting....Somet imes the average local is gungha ho about going to war...and then complains about the consequences. You cannot have it both ways! Or can you?? zoomzam
  • Score: 2

12:54am Wed 27 Mar 13

The Jazz says...

Unfortunately this government appears hell bent on returning to the Master/Servant social model that served them so well during the late 1800s/early 1900s. The difference being that todays working classes won't put up with it. Thatcher tried it and had it not been for the phony war in the Falklands, would have been thrown out of office earlier. The answer to disability benefits is quite simple. Like everything else there are degrees of disability. There is a vast difference between say a teraplegic and a blind person. Yet both are affected by disability.Pay benefits in accordance with the level of disabilty. Some people may require the simplest of things, a blue badge maybe, to help them get to where they need. Others might require constant care and all that entails. There is no one size fits all for disabled people. Unfortunately that is just the tack taken by the DWP and thier paid lapdogs at ATOS. The day we, as a society, stop helping those less fortunate than ourselves, we become little more than animals. As for those who advocate not helping anyone so they can keep their 'hard earned' wages, heres a thought. 'When the last tree has been cut down and the last fish as been caught, how long do you think you will survive eating money?
Unfortunately this government appears hell bent on returning to the Master/Servant social model that served them so well during the late 1800s/early 1900s. The difference being that todays working classes won't put up with it. Thatcher tried it and had it not been for the phony war in the Falklands, would have been thrown out of office earlier. The answer to disability benefits is quite simple. Like everything else there are degrees of disability. There is a vast difference between say a teraplegic and a blind person. Yet both are affected by disability.Pay benefits in accordance with the level of disabilty. Some people may require the simplest of things, a blue badge maybe, to help them get to where they need. Others might require constant care and all that entails. There is no one size fits all for disabled people. Unfortunately that is just the tack taken by the DWP and thier paid lapdogs at ATOS. The day we, as a society, stop helping those less fortunate than ourselves, we become little more than animals. As for those who advocate not helping anyone so they can keep their 'hard earned' wages, heres a thought. 'When the last tree has been cut down and the last fish as been caught, how long do you think you will survive eating money? The Jazz
  • Score: 2

10:55am Wed 27 Mar 13

hoboh2o says...

zoomzam wrote:
saj70n wrote:
The best way to get all benifits is tell them bulls**t that you have come from a war torn country and seeking asylum, the system will bend over backwards to give you things.
Most of these have come from countries which the UK has either invaded or meddled in. Its there for you to see. Iraq/Afghanistan/Ira

n/Zimbabwe(Top 5 where Asylum seekers to the UK come from)....did you by any chance support these Wars or the meddling in them by the UK? Interesting....Somet

imes the average local is gungha ho about going to war...and then complains about the consequences. You cannot have it both ways! Or can you??
We do not have to take these people in, that's the point your quite happy to gloss over, well unless your Labour looking for supporters and your wife is on the human rights bandwaggon!
Yes some of the 'wars' we get involved in are questionable but I suspect people such as you would be up in arms if we merely bombed the hell of these places, from a distance, with cruise missiles and stealth bombers untill nothing was left. Oh and we must be a soft touch, not many people fled war zones to Germany during WW2 did they?
[quote][p][bold]zoomzam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saj70n[/bold] wrote: The best way to get all benifits is tell them bulls**t that you have come from a war torn country and seeking asylum, the system will bend over backwards to give you things.[/p][/quote]Most of these have come from countries which the UK has either invaded or meddled in. Its there for you to see. Iraq/Afghanistan/Ira n/Zimbabwe(Top 5 where Asylum seekers to the UK come from)....did you by any chance support these Wars or the meddling in them by the UK? Interesting....Somet imes the average local is gungha ho about going to war...and then complains about the consequences. You cannot have it both ways! Or can you??[/p][/quote]We do not have to take these people in, that's the point your quite happy to gloss over, well unless your Labour looking for supporters and your wife is on the human rights bandwaggon! Yes some of the 'wars' we get involved in are questionable but I suspect people such as you would be up in arms if we merely bombed the hell of these places, from a distance, with cruise missiles and stealth bombers untill nothing was left. Oh and we must be a soft touch, not many people fled war zones to Germany during WW2 did they? hoboh2o
  • Score: -3

2:08pm Wed 27 Mar 13

zoomzam says...

hoboh2o wrote:
zoomzam wrote:
saj70n wrote:
The best way to get all benifits is tell them bulls**t that you have come from a war torn country and seeking asylum, the system will bend over backwards to give you things.
Most of these have come from countries which the UK has either invaded or meddled in. Its there for you to see. Iraq/Afghanistan/Ira


n/Zimbabwe(Top 5 where Asylum seekers to the UK come from)....did you by any chance support these Wars or the meddling in them by the UK? Interesting....Somet


imes the average local is gungha ho about going to war...and then complains about the consequences. You cannot have it both ways! Or can you??
We do not have to take these people in, that's the point your quite happy to gloss over, well unless your Labour looking for supporters and your wife is on the human rights bandwaggon!
Yes some of the 'wars' we get involved in are questionable but I suspect people such as you would be up in arms if we merely bombed the hell of these places, from a distance, with cruise missiles and stealth bombers untill nothing was left. Oh and we must be a soft touch, not many people fled war zones to Germany during WW2 did they?
I thought those cruise missiles have already destroyed most of Iraq and Afghanistan. Have you gone to sleep? Forget about destroying Iraq...the rape and pillage of the country. Go check where the cultural artefacts etc.Pillaging its oil? Where has all the money gone to? You are dreaming mate. Even if you stop all the benefits to immigrants living in the UK...it won't make any difference. Stop the foreign adventures and concentrate on selling goods abroad and get off your backside! Thats the way forward ;otherwise Cameron will head off to India with a begging bowl again! And stop whinging and moaning! Learn the work ethic from immigrants! All figures show that there are more locals on benefit (proportionally) than immigrants. Statistics don't lie! Its people like you who lead people astray .By the way thousands of jews fled Germany and settled here. Your knowledge about history is poor!
[quote][p][bold]hoboh2o[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zoomzam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saj70n[/bold] wrote: The best way to get all benifits is tell them bulls**t that you have come from a war torn country and seeking asylum, the system will bend over backwards to give you things.[/p][/quote]Most of these have come from countries which the UK has either invaded or meddled in. Its there for you to see. Iraq/Afghanistan/Ira n/Zimbabwe(Top 5 where Asylum seekers to the UK come from)....did you by any chance support these Wars or the meddling in them by the UK? Interesting....Somet imes the average local is gungha ho about going to war...and then complains about the consequences. You cannot have it both ways! Or can you??[/p][/quote]We do not have to take these people in, that's the point your quite happy to gloss over, well unless your Labour looking for supporters and your wife is on the human rights bandwaggon! Yes some of the 'wars' we get involved in are questionable but I suspect people such as you would be up in arms if we merely bombed the hell of these places, from a distance, with cruise missiles and stealth bombers untill nothing was left. Oh and we must be a soft touch, not many people fled war zones to Germany during WW2 did they?[/p][/quote]I thought those cruise missiles have already destroyed most of Iraq and Afghanistan. Have you gone to sleep? Forget about destroying Iraq...the rape and pillage of the country. Go check where the cultural artefacts etc.Pillaging its oil? Where has all the money gone to? You are dreaming mate. Even if you stop all the benefits to immigrants living in the UK...it won't make any difference. Stop the foreign adventures and concentrate on selling goods abroad and get off your backside! Thats the way forward ;otherwise Cameron will head off to India with a begging bowl again! And stop whinging and moaning! Learn the work ethic from immigrants! All figures show that there are more locals on benefit (proportionally) than immigrants. Statistics don't lie! Its people like you who lead people astray .By the way thousands of jews fled Germany and settled here. Your knowledge about history is poor! zoomzam
  • Score: 4

7:45pm Wed 27 Mar 13

hoboh2o says...

zoomzam wrote:
hoboh2o wrote:
zoomzam wrote:
saj70n wrote:
The best way to get all benifits is tell them bulls**t that you have come from a war torn country and seeking asylum, the system will bend over backwards to give you things.
Most of these have come from countries which the UK has either invaded or meddled in. Its there for you to see. Iraq/Afghanistan/Ira



n/Zimbabwe(Top 5 where Asylum seekers to the UK come from)....did you by any chance support these Wars or the meddling in them by the UK? Interesting....Somet



imes the average local is gungha ho about going to war...and then complains about the consequences. You cannot have it both ways! Or can you??
We do not have to take these people in, that's the point your quite happy to gloss over, well unless your Labour looking for supporters and your wife is on the human rights bandwaggon!
Yes some of the 'wars' we get involved in are questionable but I suspect people such as you would be up in arms if we merely bombed the hell of these places, from a distance, with cruise missiles and stealth bombers untill nothing was left. Oh and we must be a soft touch, not many people fled war zones to Germany during WW2 did they?
I thought those cruise missiles have already destroyed most of Iraq and Afghanistan. Have you gone to sleep? Forget about destroying Iraq...the rape and pillage of the country. Go check where the cultural artefacts etc.Pillaging its oil? Where has all the money gone to? You are dreaming mate. Even if you stop all the benefits to immigrants living in the UK...it won't make any difference. Stop the foreign adventures and concentrate on selling goods abroad and get off your backside! Thats the way forward ;otherwise Cameron will head off to India with a begging bowl again! And stop whinging and moaning! Learn the work ethic from immigrants! All figures show that there are more locals on benefit (proportionally) than immigrants. Statistics don't lie! Its people like you who lead people astray .By the way thousands of jews fled Germany and settled here. Your knowledge about history is poor!
It ain't just benefits the migrants take, its jobs. Explain how the hell you can make people work if even for a part of their benefits, particularly the young if they are filled by migrant workers!
Frankly I and I don't think many care either way what happens to countries overseas when we are in up to our necks at the deep end.
For what its worth Iraq and Afghanistan are two places we should never have got involved in and I hope to God Syria is not the next, the thought of supporting some of the 'Looney tunes' operating over there is scary to say the least.
[quote][p][bold]zoomzam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoboh2o[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zoomzam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saj70n[/bold] wrote: The best way to get all benifits is tell them bulls**t that you have come from a war torn country and seeking asylum, the system will bend over backwards to give you things.[/p][/quote]Most of these have come from countries which the UK has either invaded or meddled in. Its there for you to see. Iraq/Afghanistan/Ira n/Zimbabwe(Top 5 where Asylum seekers to the UK come from)....did you by any chance support these Wars or the meddling in them by the UK? Interesting....Somet imes the average local is gungha ho about going to war...and then complains about the consequences. You cannot have it both ways! Or can you??[/p][/quote]We do not have to take these people in, that's the point your quite happy to gloss over, well unless your Labour looking for supporters and your wife is on the human rights bandwaggon! Yes some of the 'wars' we get involved in are questionable but I suspect people such as you would be up in arms if we merely bombed the hell of these places, from a distance, with cruise missiles and stealth bombers untill nothing was left. Oh and we must be a soft touch, not many people fled war zones to Germany during WW2 did they?[/p][/quote]I thought those cruise missiles have already destroyed most of Iraq and Afghanistan. Have you gone to sleep? Forget about destroying Iraq...the rape and pillage of the country. Go check where the cultural artefacts etc.Pillaging its oil? Where has all the money gone to? You are dreaming mate. Even if you stop all the benefits to immigrants living in the UK...it won't make any difference. Stop the foreign adventures and concentrate on selling goods abroad and get off your backside! Thats the way forward ;otherwise Cameron will head off to India with a begging bowl again! And stop whinging and moaning! Learn the work ethic from immigrants! All figures show that there are more locals on benefit (proportionally) than immigrants. Statistics don't lie! Its people like you who lead people astray .By the way thousands of jews fled Germany and settled here. Your knowledge about history is poor![/p][/quote]It ain't just benefits the migrants take, its jobs. Explain how the hell you can make people work if even for a part of their benefits, particularly the young if they are filled by migrant workers! Frankly I and I don't think many care either way what happens to countries overseas when we are in up to our necks at the deep end. For what its worth Iraq and Afghanistan are two places we should never have got involved in and I hope to God Syria is not the next, the thought of supporting some of the 'Looney tunes' operating over there is scary to say the least. hoboh2o
  • Score: -2

10:17pm Wed 27 Mar 13

BWFC71 says...

hoboh2o wrote:
zoomzam wrote:
hoboh2o wrote:
zoomzam wrote:
saj70n wrote:
The best way to get all benifits is tell them bulls**t that you have come from a war torn country and seeking asylum, the system will bend over backwards to give you things.
Most of these have come from countries which the UK has either invaded or meddled in. Its there for you to see. Iraq/Afghanistan/Ira




n/Zimbabwe(Top 5 where Asylum seekers to the UK come from)....did you by any chance support these Wars or the meddling in them by the UK? Interesting....Somet




imes the average local is gungha ho about going to war...and then complains about the consequences. You cannot have it both ways! Or can you??
We do not have to take these people in, that's the point your quite happy to gloss over, well unless your Labour looking for supporters and your wife is on the human rights bandwaggon!
Yes some of the 'wars' we get involved in are questionable but I suspect people such as you would be up in arms if we merely bombed the hell of these places, from a distance, with cruise missiles and stealth bombers untill nothing was left. Oh and we must be a soft touch, not many people fled war zones to Germany during WW2 did they?
I thought those cruise missiles have already destroyed most of Iraq and Afghanistan. Have you gone to sleep? Forget about destroying Iraq...the rape and pillage of the country. Go check where the cultural artefacts etc.Pillaging its oil? Where has all the money gone to? You are dreaming mate. Even if you stop all the benefits to immigrants living in the UK...it won't make any difference. Stop the foreign adventures and concentrate on selling goods abroad and get off your backside! Thats the way forward ;otherwise Cameron will head off to India with a begging bowl again! And stop whinging and moaning! Learn the work ethic from immigrants! All figures show that there are more locals on benefit (proportionally) than immigrants. Statistics don't lie! Its people like you who lead people astray .By the way thousands of jews fled Germany and settled here. Your knowledge about history is poor!
It ain't just benefits the migrants take, its jobs. Explain how the hell you can make people work if even for a part of their benefits, particularly the young if they are filled by migrant workers!
Frankly I and I don't think many care either way what happens to countries overseas when we are in up to our necks at the deep end.
For what its worth Iraq and Afghanistan are two places we should never have got involved in and I hope to God Syria is not the next, the thought of supporting some of the 'Looney tunes' operating over there is scary to say the least.
So if you were unemployed now would you go for a job as a plumber, electrician, brickie, chippie, or even a chef etc etc etc

I would say no, because you need to be trained but the UK does not have enough trained in those genres and we need to look outside the UK to fill those gaps. We are also soon to have a shortage of teachers due to an increased number of children - do we have enough trained or is it a case of having to look elsewhere because of the time it takes to train!!!

Common sense, really, isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]hoboh2o[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zoomzam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoboh2o[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zoomzam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saj70n[/bold] wrote: The best way to get all benifits is tell them bulls**t that you have come from a war torn country and seeking asylum, the system will bend over backwards to give you things.[/p][/quote]Most of these have come from countries which the UK has either invaded or meddled in. Its there for you to see. Iraq/Afghanistan/Ira n/Zimbabwe(Top 5 where Asylum seekers to the UK come from)....did you by any chance support these Wars or the meddling in them by the UK? Interesting....Somet imes the average local is gungha ho about going to war...and then complains about the consequences. You cannot have it both ways! Or can you??[/p][/quote]We do not have to take these people in, that's the point your quite happy to gloss over, well unless your Labour looking for supporters and your wife is on the human rights bandwaggon! Yes some of the 'wars' we get involved in are questionable but I suspect people such as you would be up in arms if we merely bombed the hell of these places, from a distance, with cruise missiles and stealth bombers untill nothing was left. Oh and we must be a soft touch, not many people fled war zones to Germany during WW2 did they?[/p][/quote]I thought those cruise missiles have already destroyed most of Iraq and Afghanistan. Have you gone to sleep? Forget about destroying Iraq...the rape and pillage of the country. Go check where the cultural artefacts etc.Pillaging its oil? Where has all the money gone to? You are dreaming mate. Even if you stop all the benefits to immigrants living in the UK...it won't make any difference. Stop the foreign adventures and concentrate on selling goods abroad and get off your backside! Thats the way forward ;otherwise Cameron will head off to India with a begging bowl again! And stop whinging and moaning! Learn the work ethic from immigrants! All figures show that there are more locals on benefit (proportionally) than immigrants. Statistics don't lie! Its people like you who lead people astray .By the way thousands of jews fled Germany and settled here. Your knowledge about history is poor![/p][/quote]It ain't just benefits the migrants take, its jobs. Explain how the hell you can make people work if even for a part of their benefits, particularly the young if they are filled by migrant workers! Frankly I and I don't think many care either way what happens to countries overseas when we are in up to our necks at the deep end. For what its worth Iraq and Afghanistan are two places we should never have got involved in and I hope to God Syria is not the next, the thought of supporting some of the 'Looney tunes' operating over there is scary to say the least.[/p][/quote]So if you were unemployed now would you go for a job as a plumber, electrician, brickie, chippie, or even a chef etc etc etc I would say no, because you need to be trained but the UK does not have enough trained in those genres and we need to look outside the UK to fill those gaps. We are also soon to have a shortage of teachers due to an increased number of children - do we have enough trained or is it a case of having to look elsewhere because of the time it takes to train!!! Common sense, really, isn't it? BWFC71
  • Score: 2

12:35pm Thu 28 Mar 13

hoboh2o says...

BWFC71 wrote:
hoboh2o wrote:
zoomzam wrote:
hoboh2o wrote:
zoomzam wrote:
saj70n wrote:
The best way to get all benifits is tell them bulls**t that you have come from a war torn country and seeking asylum, the system will bend over backwards to give you things.
Most of these have come from countries which the UK has either invaded or meddled in. Its there for you to see. Iraq/Afghanistan/Ira





n/Zimbabwe(Top 5 where Asylum seekers to the UK come from)....did you by any chance support these Wars or the meddling in them by the UK? Interesting....Somet





imes the average local is gungha ho about going to war...and then complains about the consequences. You cannot have it both ways! Or can you??
We do not have to take these people in, that's the point your quite happy to gloss over, well unless your Labour looking for supporters and your wife is on the human rights bandwaggon!
Yes some of the 'wars' we get involved in are questionable but I suspect people such as you would be up in arms if we merely bombed the hell of these places, from a distance, with cruise missiles and stealth bombers untill nothing was left. Oh and we must be a soft touch, not many people fled war zones to Germany during WW2 did they?
I thought those cruise missiles have already destroyed most of Iraq and Afghanistan. Have you gone to sleep? Forget about destroying Iraq...the rape and pillage of the country. Go check where the cultural artefacts etc.Pillaging its oil? Where has all the money gone to? You are dreaming mate. Even if you stop all the benefits to immigrants living in the UK...it won't make any difference. Stop the foreign adventures and concentrate on selling goods abroad and get off your backside! Thats the way forward ;otherwise Cameron will head off to India with a begging bowl again! And stop whinging and moaning! Learn the work ethic from immigrants! All figures show that there are more locals on benefit (proportionally) than immigrants. Statistics don't lie! Its people like you who lead people astray .By the way thousands of jews fled Germany and settled here. Your knowledge about history is poor!
It ain't just benefits the migrants take, its jobs. Explain how the hell you can make people work if even for a part of their benefits, particularly the young if they are filled by migrant workers!
Frankly I and I don't think many care either way what happens to countries overseas when we are in up to our necks at the deep end.
For what its worth Iraq and Afghanistan are two places we should never have got involved in and I hope to God Syria is not the next, the thought of supporting some of the 'Looney tunes' operating over there is scary to say the least.
So if you were unemployed now would you go for a job as a plumber, electrician, brickie, chippie, or even a chef etc etc etc

I would say no, because you need to be trained but the UK does not have enough trained in those genres and we need to look outside the UK to fill those gaps. We are also soon to have a shortage of teachers due to an increased number of children - do we have enough trained or is it a case of having to look elsewhere because of the time it takes to train!!!

Common sense, really, isn't it?
So if you were unemployed now would you go for a job as a plumber, electrician, brickie, chippie, or even a chef etc etc etc

I would say no, because you need to be trained but the UK does not have enough trained in those genres and we need to look outside the UK to fill those gaps. We are also soon to have a shortage of teachers due to an increased number of children - do we have enough trained or is it a case of having to look elsewhere because of the time it takes to train!!!

Common sense, really, isn't it?”

I agree you need to be trained for some of the jobs you mention but here is the rub, most of the qualifications from Eastern Europeans are NOT recognised in this country and frankly the standard of work is shocking. On site, the safety aspect of these people is deplorable, that is why dodgy employers love them, or they class themselves as self-employed. Before you start I am a fully trained, skilled person with years of experience and a trained risk assessor so don't be conned by the 'shortage of skills' Brown and the last lot used for letting them in willy nilly. Most migrants are not 'skilled' and fill the low paid jobs that can kick start the unemployed back to work and off or a reduction of the benefits paid to them.

Simple isn’t it.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoboh2o[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zoomzam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]hoboh2o[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]zoomzam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]saj70n[/bold] wrote: The best way to get all benifits is tell them bulls**t that you have come from a war torn country and seeking asylum, the system will bend over backwards to give you things.[/p][/quote]Most of these have come from countries which the UK has either invaded or meddled in. Its there for you to see. Iraq/Afghanistan/Ira n/Zimbabwe(Top 5 where Asylum seekers to the UK come from)....did you by any chance support these Wars or the meddling in them by the UK? Interesting....Somet imes the average local is gungha ho about going to war...and then complains about the consequences. You cannot have it both ways! Or can you??[/p][/quote]We do not have to take these people in, that's the point your quite happy to gloss over, well unless your Labour looking for supporters and your wife is on the human rights bandwaggon! Yes some of the 'wars' we get involved in are questionable but I suspect people such as you would be up in arms if we merely bombed the hell of these places, from a distance, with cruise missiles and stealth bombers untill nothing was left. Oh and we must be a soft touch, not many people fled war zones to Germany during WW2 did they?[/p][/quote]I thought those cruise missiles have already destroyed most of Iraq and Afghanistan. Have you gone to sleep? Forget about destroying Iraq...the rape and pillage of the country. Go check where the cultural artefacts etc.Pillaging its oil? Where has all the money gone to? You are dreaming mate. Even if you stop all the benefits to immigrants living in the UK...it won't make any difference. Stop the foreign adventures and concentrate on selling goods abroad and get off your backside! Thats the way forward ;otherwise Cameron will head off to India with a begging bowl again! And stop whinging and moaning! Learn the work ethic from immigrants! All figures show that there are more locals on benefit (proportionally) than immigrants. Statistics don't lie! Its people like you who lead people astray .By the way thousands of jews fled Germany and settled here. Your knowledge about history is poor![/p][/quote]It ain't just benefits the migrants take, its jobs. Explain how the hell you can make people work if even for a part of their benefits, particularly the young if they are filled by migrant workers! Frankly I and I don't think many care either way what happens to countries overseas when we are in up to our necks at the deep end. For what its worth Iraq and Afghanistan are two places we should never have got involved in and I hope to God Syria is not the next, the thought of supporting some of the 'Looney tunes' operating over there is scary to say the least.[/p][/quote]So if you were unemployed now would you go for a job as a plumber, electrician, brickie, chippie, or even a chef etc etc etc I would say no, because you need to be trained but the UK does not have enough trained in those genres and we need to look outside the UK to fill those gaps. We are also soon to have a shortage of teachers due to an increased number of children - do we have enough trained or is it a case of having to look elsewhere because of the time it takes to train!!! Common sense, really, isn't it?[/p][/quote]So if you were unemployed now would you go for a job as a plumber, electrician, brickie, chippie, or even a chef etc etc etc I would say no, because you need to be trained but the UK does not have enough trained in those genres and we need to look outside the UK to fill those gaps. We are also soon to have a shortage of teachers due to an increased number of children - do we have enough trained or is it a case of having to look elsewhere because of the time it takes to train!!! Common sense, really, isn't it?” I agree you need to be trained for some of the jobs you mention but here is the rub, most of the qualifications from Eastern Europeans are NOT recognised in this country and frankly the standard of work is shocking. On site, the safety aspect of these people is deplorable, that is why dodgy employers love them, or they class themselves as self-employed. Before you start I am a fully trained, skilled person with years of experience and a trained risk assessor so don't be conned by the 'shortage of skills' Brown and the last lot used for letting them in willy nilly. Most migrants are not 'skilled' and fill the low paid jobs that can kick start the unemployed back to work and off or a reduction of the benefits paid to them. Simple isn’t it. hoboh2o
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7:24pm Thu 28 Mar 13

BWFC71 says...

You talk about Brown as though he is still the PM!!!!!

Lets see the facts - 3 years into the ConDem Government and the workers they are loooking for, from overseas, as read on the Government website are:-

Chefs
Bricklayers
Carpenters
Electricians
Ship Builders
Landscape Gardeners
Accountants
Teachers

Thats just a fraction of the list

So are Cameron and Clegg not telling the truth? And if not then why advertise the jobs - more than 3 years after the last Government were advertising the jobs!!!

Reality is a **** when faced with the truth!
You talk about Brown as though he is still the PM!!!!! Lets see the facts - 3 years into the ConDem Government and the workers they are loooking for, from overseas, as read on the Government website are:- Chefs Bricklayers Carpenters Electricians Ship Builders Landscape Gardeners Accountants Teachers Thats just a fraction of the list So are Cameron and Clegg not telling the truth? And if not then why advertise the jobs - more than 3 years after the last Government were advertising the jobs!!! Reality is a **** when faced with the truth! BWFC71
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8:48am Fri 29 Mar 13

hoboh2o says...

BWFC71 wrote:
You talk about Brown as though he is still the PM!!!!!

Lets see the facts - 3 years into the ConDem Government and the workers they are loooking for, from overseas, as read on the Government website are:-

Chefs
Bricklayers
Carpenters
Electricians
Ship Builders
Landscape Gardeners
Accountants
Teachers

Thats just a fraction of the list

So are Cameron and Clegg not telling the truth? And if not then why advertise the jobs - more than 3 years after the last Government were advertising the jobs!!!

Reality is a **** when faced with the truth!
So there are;
No unemployed Chefs
No unemployed Bricklayers
No unemployed Carpenters
No unemployed Electricians
Do we still build many ships?
Landscape Gardeners? That’s a p*ss take.
An unemployed accountant? do me a favour!
Teaching what, English?

And the list goes on;
Burger Flippers
Shelf Stackers
Order Pickers
Taxi Drivers
Window Cleaners
Gas Fitters and Plumbers
Traffic Wardens
Truck and Van Drivers
Shop Workers, etc. etc.
Brown and Blair before him set all this off, they thought, wrongly that only the cream of the immigrants would come and ignored tightening everything up to keep us totally unattractive to the lower ones.
[quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: You talk about Brown as though he is still the PM!!!!! Lets see the facts - 3 years into the ConDem Government and the workers they are loooking for, from overseas, as read on the Government website are:- Chefs Bricklayers Carpenters Electricians Ship Builders Landscape Gardeners Accountants Teachers Thats just a fraction of the list So are Cameron and Clegg not telling the truth? And if not then why advertise the jobs - more than 3 years after the last Government were advertising the jobs!!! Reality is a **** when faced with the truth![/p][/quote]So there are; No unemployed Chefs No unemployed Bricklayers No unemployed Carpenters No unemployed Electricians Do we still build many ships? Landscape Gardeners? That’s a p*ss take. An unemployed accountant? do me a favour! Teaching what, English? And the list goes on; Burger Flippers Shelf Stackers Order Pickers Taxi Drivers Window Cleaners Gas Fitters and Plumbers Traffic Wardens Truck and Van Drivers Shop Workers, etc. etc. Brown and Blair before him set all this off, they thought, wrongly that only the cream of the immigrants would come and ignored tightening everything up to keep us totally unattractive to the lower ones. hoboh2o
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8:54am Fri 29 Mar 13

hoboh2o says...

I'd better declare that the comment about accountants was tongue in cheek! there are already too many yet they all find well paid work!
I'd better declare that the comment about accountants was tongue in cheek! there are already too many yet they all find well paid work! hoboh2o
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10:48am Fri 29 Mar 13

BWFC71 says...

hoboh2o wrote:
BWFC71 wrote:
You talk about Brown as though he is still the PM!!!!!

Lets see the facts - 3 years into the ConDem Government and the workers they are loooking for, from overseas, as read on the Government website are:-

Chefs
Bricklayers
Carpenters
Electricians
Ship Builders
Landscape Gardeners
Accountants
Teachers

Thats just a fraction of the list

So are Cameron and Clegg not telling the truth? And if not then why advertise the jobs - more than 3 years after the last Government were advertising the jobs!!!

Reality is a **** when faced with the truth!
So there are;
No unemployed Chefs
No unemployed Bricklayers
No unemployed Carpenters
No unemployed Electricians
Do we still build many ships?
Landscape Gardeners? That’s a p*ss take.
An unemployed accountant? do me a favour!
Teaching what, English?

And the list goes on;
Burger Flippers
Shelf Stackers
Order Pickers
Taxi Drivers
Window Cleaners
Gas Fitters and Plumbers
Traffic Wardens
Truck and Van Drivers
Shop Workers, etc. etc.
Brown and Blair before him set all this off, they thought, wrongly that only the cream of the immigrants would come and ignored tightening everything up to keep us totally unattractive to the lower ones.
Actually the list on jobs required has bee going on for decades and longe before Thatcher - so it is definitely wrong to say, and lay the blame, at Blair-Brown regime.

One thing you have to realise that is it the Governments fault for allowing mployers to go for cheapness to increase profits and decrease costs, or is that teh fault of the employer?

Government, unfortunately, cannot be blamed for all failings the country has!

You flippant comment about a teacher is pure wrong as I was taught by a Welshman (who taught me French), a Nigerian who taught me maths, a kiwi who taught me geography, a Polishman who taught me Latin - do you want me to go on....

And yes there is a shortage of accountants, due to the amount of business failures in the country at the moment - there are not enough to help with recivering or selling a failed business!!!
[quote][p][bold]hoboh2o[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BWFC71[/bold] wrote: You talk about Brown as though he is still the PM!!!!! Lets see the facts - 3 years into the ConDem Government and the workers they are loooking for, from overseas, as read on the Government website are:- Chefs Bricklayers Carpenters Electricians Ship Builders Landscape Gardeners Accountants Teachers Thats just a fraction of the list So are Cameron and Clegg not telling the truth? And if not then why advertise the jobs - more than 3 years after the last Government were advertising the jobs!!! Reality is a **** when faced with the truth![/p][/quote]So there are; No unemployed Chefs No unemployed Bricklayers No unemployed Carpenters No unemployed Electricians Do we still build many ships? Landscape Gardeners? That’s a p*ss take. An unemployed accountant? do me a favour! Teaching what, English? And the list goes on; Burger Flippers Shelf Stackers Order Pickers Taxi Drivers Window Cleaners Gas Fitters and Plumbers Traffic Wardens Truck and Van Drivers Shop Workers, etc. etc. Brown and Blair before him set all this off, they thought, wrongly that only the cream of the immigrants would come and ignored tightening everything up to keep us totally unattractive to the lower ones.[/p][/quote]Actually the list on jobs required has bee going on for decades and longe before Thatcher - so it is definitely wrong to say, and lay the blame, at Blair-Brown regime. One thing you have to realise that is it the Governments fault for allowing mployers to go for cheapness to increase profits and decrease costs, or is that teh fault of the employer? Government, unfortunately, cannot be blamed for all failings the country has! You flippant comment about a teacher is pure wrong as I was taught by a Welshman (who taught me French), a Nigerian who taught me maths, a kiwi who taught me geography, a Polishman who taught me Latin - do you want me to go on.... And yes there is a shortage of accountants, due to the amount of business failures in the country at the moment - there are not enough to help with recivering or selling a failed business!!! BWFC71
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9:10pm Fri 29 Mar 13

hoboh2o says...

You flippant comment about a teacher is pure wrong as I was taught by a Welshman (who taught me French), a Nigerian who taught me maths, a kiwi who taught me geography, a Polishman who taught me Latin - do you want me to go on....

I guess that explains your spelling then :-)
You flippant comment about a teacher is pure wrong as I was taught by a Welshman (who taught me French), a Nigerian who taught me maths, a kiwi who taught me geography, a Polishman who taught me Latin - do you want me to go on.... I guess that explains your spelling then :-) hoboh2o
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10:11pm Fri 29 Mar 13

BWFC71 says...

trying to be flippant - as it is I am dyslexic and do struggle with spelling and as this site does not have a spell-check I have to rely on what I spell.


I bet your not feeling that big now, hoboh20, with your retort!!! In fact you should be fully ashamed with your comment!
trying to be flippant - as it is I am dyslexic and do struggle with spelling and as this site does not have a spell-check I have to rely on what I spell. I bet your not feeling that big now, hoboh20, with your retort!!! In fact you should be fully ashamed with your comment! BWFC71
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10:55am Mon 1 Apr 13

gladileft says...

I fully sympathise with this gentleman and hope that common sense prevailes and he is given the financial help he needs. It beggars belief that a person with such difficulties is declared fit to work when there must be hundreds of thousands of able bodied people ripping off the benefits system and getting away with it. I am so glad that I have emigrated and no longer have to pay into a system that is so flawed and badly managed. Hope Mr Evans gets sorted out.
I fully sympathise with this gentleman and hope that common sense prevailes and he is given the financial help he needs. It beggars belief that a person with such difficulties is declared fit to work when there must be hundreds of thousands of able bodied people ripping off the benefits system and getting away with it. I am so glad that I have emigrated and no longer have to pay into a system that is so flawed and badly managed. Hope Mr Evans gets sorted out. gladileft
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