East Lancashire bailiffs chief defends firm following TV documentary exposure (From This Is Lancashire)

Had to compain about their harassment in trying to recover unenforceable parking "fines" from my wife.

I saw the program and I think that the guy was stiched up a bit by the program makers. People like to forget that bailiffs collect money that is owed. If people pay their bill's then there is no need for bailiffs. People don't pay bills and then they lie and they lie some more and then the bailiff comes along and he's heard it all before and he gets hardened to it and he treats his 'clients' like six year olds. It's completely understandable behaviour, he has to be mean and tough or where are the consequences to these people who refuse to pay their way? I can't support the views of the bailiff on race which is why I think Rossendales potted him, but as he said himself he is a 62yr old northerner and pretty much every person I know of that age has a similar mind set to his on ethnics. I'm not for one minute saying it's right, just saying it how it is. People are inherently prejudiced, all over the world. A burly 62yr old ex builder in the guise of a bailiff, what do people expect? If I wanted someone to collect money on my behalf that I was owed I would employ him tomorrow. Simples

mr purple you are simple were talking about the way they bully people read it properly

mr purple is julia

Some of the comments on here are delusional ramblings.
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If a charge is not enforceable, that isn't the bailiffs fault, he/she simply acts on instruction to recover monies owed, The dispute about whether an amount is/isn't owed should have been settled before it reaches bailiff stage.
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Complaints about Rossendales? They are a debt collection agency you fool! Do you think they have a testimonials page from satisfied debtors? As they ONLY deal with people who for whatever reason have failed in their obligations to pay they are not going to get glowing endorsements are they!
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If a matter is in dispute then this country has all the proper channels available for ANYONE to raise and resolve ANY dispute.
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If you owe money then pay up, if you think you don't owe it then dispute it, if you lose your dispute then take it on the chin and pay up. If you CAN'T (not won't) pay, seek professional debt advice.
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This thread highlights the problems with today's society. It's all me,me,me, something for nothing, what about my rights etc, etc.

WELL WHAT ABOUT YOUR DUTIES, THEY ARE JUST AS EQUAL AS YOUR RIGHTS. IF YOU OWE MONEY THEN PAY YOUR DEBTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

100% agree with you Mr Purple. I think the only people complaining are the bill & fine dodgers. Oh & the Hyndburn pill taker, LITM.

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if bailiffs harass you , defend yourself.

send them formal notice and also the body they operate for, in your case, explaining you do not accept their authority as they have no constitutional mandate.

having given formal notice you then prevent any costs charged by the bailiff.

Formal Notice is what it is all about, head every letter to any and all corporate goons with the title :

Take Formal Notice.

the letter becomes a legal document and stands in court

Dear Rossendales

I am writing to praise your lovely bailiff who called at my house today. He was ever so polite and explained to me in such a nice way that I was obligated for the debt I owe. When the van arrived to remove my goosds he was ever so careful not to damage the walls with the plasma TV.
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As a result of his visit we have decided not to pay our credit card bill from the holiday we've just had in Florida and we look forward to him coming round again. Hopefully this time he will take the SMEG Fridge aswell.

Thanks ever so much, your firm have been so kind.

MR BOAST WAS A BULLY!BUT THATS WHAT IT NEEDS TO GET THE MONEY OWED! ON THE PROGRAM THERE WAS FIVE MEN ALL WORKIN!NOT PAYIN COUNCIL TAX! COME ON! THEY NEED THIS TYPE OF TREATMENT!AT FIRST THEY WERNT PAYIN NOTHING THEN AFTER MR BOAST APPLYED PRESSURE....£400

bailiffs are just hired ignorant thugs. we've had letters sent to our address for someone who doesn't live here. after managing to find an address from one of the letters( iwas told it was illegal to open it even though it came to my house) i wrote to the hired thugs to explain.
they ignored me and are still sending letters. it's getting to the stage where i don't want to go out in case these thugs come round whilst i'm out.

No excuses for racism whether your 62yr old or 5yr old from the North or South!!! Its a grey area where Mr Purple aka Julia makes money on other people's misery.

her smile is offensive

What ever you do, do not let them into your house, as they will bully and threaten you and it can be very scary. make sure they have the proper paper work and know your rights, I would only allow them in if the police said they have the right to enter, I have heard of to many people being bullied by these people its shocking

the police are liars, they have no power to enter anything, yet if you agree you are the mimic of your christian name, then you enter into contract with them, the same for the police and any and all corporate nazis.

the only way the bailiff can effect you is by taking your car, it is tied to the commercial debt account via the reg....

get clever people, the country depends on it.

Mr Purple wrote:
Some of the comments on here are delusional ramblings.
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If a charge is not enforceable, that isn't the bailiffs fault, he/she simply acts on instruction to recover monies owed, The dispute about whether an amount is/isn't owed should have been settled before it reaches bailiff stage.
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Complaints about Rossendales? They are a debt collection agency you fool! Do you think they have a testimonials page from satisfied debtors? As they ONLY deal with people who for whatever reason have failed in their obligations to pay they are not going to get glowing endorsements are they!
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If a matter is in dispute then this country has all the proper channels available for ANYONE to raise and resolve ANY dispute.
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If you owe money then pay up, if you think you don't owe it then dispute it, if you lose your dispute then take it on the chin and pay up. If you CAN'T (not won't) pay, seek professional debt advice.
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This thread highlights the problems with today's society. It's all me,me,me, something for nothing, what about my rights etc, etc.

WELL WHAT ABOUT YOUR DUTIES, THEY ARE JUST AS EQUAL AS YOUR RIGHTS. IF YOU OWE MONEY THEN PAY YOUR DEBTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ok, just don't come round at stupid o clock or threaten me which is what that reprehensible bag of skin was doing, also don't discuss my business with others in the street in some puerile attempt to embarrass me into paying. take as many goods and chattels as the van will carry, bring a donkey as well if the vans too small, just behave professionally!! that's the issue in debate.

this is why they shifted everything from rights to license, it is a mimic of our constitution.

remember the dark lord mimics the creation in order he can pull his creation, you, into falsehood. that was the original deal, today we can see it is real.

are you to remain fooled by the deceivers?

why have LT taken my comment off typical as i say again i watched this program and it was disgusting people have grown wise to there lies and she didnt know nothing about it ye ok dont they give theses baliffs a CRB check before employing them bet they dont thats why she has gone to the papers to clear there bad name some one will probably see her sighing on the dole

Mr Purple wrote:
Some of the comments on here are delusional ramblings.
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If a charge is not enforceable, that isn't the bailiffs fault, he/she simply acts on instruction to recover monies owed, The dispute about whether an amount is/isn't owed should have been settled before it reaches bailiff stage.
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Complaints about Rossendales? They are a debt collection agency you fool! Do you think they have a testimonials page from satisfied debtors? As they ONLY deal with people who for whatever reason have failed in their obligations to pay they are not going to get glowing endorsements are they!
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If a matter is in dispute then this country has all the proper channels available for ANYONE to raise and resolve ANY dispute.
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If you owe money then pay up, if you think you don't owe it then dispute it, if you lose your dispute then take it on the chin and pay up. If you CAN'T (not won't) pay, seek professional debt advice.
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This thread highlights the problems with today's society. It's all me,me,me, something for nothing, what about my rights etc, etc.

WELL WHAT ABOUT YOUR DUTIES, THEY ARE JUST AS EQUAL AS YOUR RIGHTS. IF YOU OWE MONEY THEN PAY YOUR DEBTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WELL WHAT ABOUT YOUR DUTIES, THEY ARE JUST AS EQUAL AS YOUR RIGHTS. IF YOU OWE MONEY THEN PAY YOUR DEBTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry old bean, it's not as clear cut as that. Take the local authority for example who are too hasty in issuing Liability Orders for Council Tax. You don't have to be earning a fortune to face a full CT bill without rebate. If a payment was missed for whatever reason the council would negotiate the payment and give you a month or to to CATCH UP with the instalments.

However, now if you are late with an installment you are immediately served with a Liability Order and court costs with the whole balance becoming due. the interesting part is that they would negotiate after that, so why not before court action.

I am mindful of comments made by Cllr Andy Kay in a council meeting some years ago (reported on by Lancashire Evening Telegraph). Cllr Andy Kay recommended that there be a raise in court charges because the court charges had proven themselves to be an 'excellent revenue raising exercise.'

So, the council not only wanted to raise the charges, they are issuing Liability Orders in order to raise extra revenue (Why not find out the figures LT?) even though these court cost are meant to reflect the cost to the council and not 'for profit prosecutions'

If you are unable to reach an agreeable instalment arrangement the council is too quick to call in the bailiffs (any company) who routinely charge for bogus visits or put a letter through the door without knocking to increase their charges.

Didn't this same council speak out about poverty caused by Bank Charges? Their actions to gain Court Costs are no different to the banks.

My advice to anyone dealing with bailiffs is to keep windows closed and doors locked.

If you answer the door to a bailiff collecting council tax, refuse peaceful entry and do not leave a gap that they can squeeze past you.

The bills will continue to increase. However, write to the council stating that the appointed bailiffs will not be getting peaceful entry and that you will negotiate reasonable instalments when the case as been handed back to the council as 'unenforceable/non-c
ollectable'

When your case is handed back to the council all the bailiff fee's are deleted because the bailiffs were unsuccessful.

The council would get more money if they weren't so quick to give the 'Struggling to Pay' a swift kick in the ****s for being a little late or short.

DEAR ROSSENDALE....
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Thank u for a visit to a friends home recently.ONLY,we were all ready and waiting..Camera placed above the front door recording every word and action.Your baillif was informed of the camera,so,everything is now admissable in court THANKYOU...Also on camera is the baillif who sneaked a hand written letter through the door a couple of weeks previous to this without knocking in the early hours,also,we have to hand letters from your company which are misrepresenting.
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See u in court,and,back on the telly....

I,m sorry but Julie Greens dodgy hair perm had all the integrity of a dodgy second hand car salesman you did not convince me love that any word that came out of your mouth was genuine.And as fot the moronic moron mr Boast you employed him it rests with you and you alone shame on you!!

Absolute rubbish that she has no clue what her employees are up to. More like a blind eye is turned to keep her in the lifestyle she's become accustomed to.
I recently had a run in with some bailiffs in Pendle. I'm a single mum working full time...my rent and council tax alone takes up just over half my monthly wage and unfortunately I got a little behind with things and ended up with a bailiff wanting £285. (mostly made up of fake charges) I sought help from the Consumer Action Group and quickly realised these charges were made up which was proved when they refused to give me a breakdown of charges. I proved them wrong on many of these 'false visits' and 'van fees' and the bailiff referred my debt back to the office as he had been caught out. I intend to report him to the court that certified him with my findings.
Owing a debt is one thing, and yes, it has to be collected...but these parasites see that as an opportunity to steal money from those who are least able to afford it. So all those saying 'Well you should pay your bills'...walk a day in my shoes. It's not that easy and these parasites make it all the more harder.

See if I was sat on my backside churning out kids and getting everything paid for i'd be worry free wouldn't I?
But no. I pay the cost of having some pride.

Parasites. The lot of them.

Gaz M wrote:
I,m sorry but Julie Greens dodgy hair perm had all the integrity of a dodgy second hand car salesman you did not convince me love that any word that came out of your mouth was genuine.And as fot the moronic moron mr Boast you employed him it rests with you and you alone shame on you!!

Well said Gaz. Crocodile tears and utter insincerity. A rubbish actress.

People who do this kind work are moronic lying bullying thugs, like clampers. the general public should be able to use these parasites as target practice.
There are plenty of options open to a creditor via the courts.

Whichever way you look at it, you can abuse the MD as much as you want (and her name is Julie by the way and not Julia as some of you have said) but the fact remains, if you don't want bailiffs knocking at your door - pay your bills, for Gods sake, it is not rocket science.
I have a friend like some of you, can't pay her council tax, has bailiffs regularly, but her children have I-Phones, she goes out regularly, they have the best TVs, sofas, etc - and to me, people like this need to get their priorities straight!
The benefit system in this country is such that, if your income is below a certain level, you get help with certain things. If you don't, then by rights you don't need it! Prioritise!!
As for calling all bailiffs parasites - what a ridiculous thing to say, I expect most of them are hard working people, who also have bills to pay, but blame away if it makes you feel better!!!

Now then Mr Boast or Julie come to Nelson Lancs and go round the every street area call the asian community the names that you called them in the programme, and before you can say Bangladesh you will have the wheels taken off your van, you will have the goods already collected from other jobs passed out, the van will be the size of a matchbox and your so called brain will be the size of a pea, come on mr boast bring it on.

Realisitic wrote:
Whichever way you look at it, you can abuse the MD as much as you want (and her name is Julie by the way and not Julia as some of you have said) but the fact remains, if you don't want bailiffs knocking at your door - pay your bills, for Gods sake, it is not rocket science.
I have a friend like some of you, can't pay her council tax, has bailiffs regularly, but her children have I-Phones, she goes out regularly, they have the best TVs, sofas, etc - and to me, people like this need to get their priorities straight!
The benefit system in this country is such that, if your income is below a certain level, you get help with certain things. If you don't, then by rights you don't need it! Prioritise!!
As for calling all bailiffs parasites - what a ridiculous thing to say, I expect most of them are hard working people, who also have bills to pay, but blame away if it makes you feel better!!!

They are parasites in the way they add on fake and inflated charges merely because they get a 40% cut of any charges applied.

My son doesn't have all the latest gadgets either thank you very much he doesnt even have a mobile phone. I dont drink, I dont smoke, can't afford to go out and we've not had a holiday since he was 2 (he's now 15)
Such is the cost of living in 'Great' Britain these days, that people are struggling even with the basics!

What you're not getting is what it actually is about bailiffs and what angers people about them. It's that they act illegally and add on more than they legally should and make up charges due to pure greed. Making a living on the backs of other's misery and despair.

It's disgusting and i'll say it again...PARASITIC!

You know that for a fact do you - that ALL bailiffs get 40% of charges applied - I don't think so. Sounds good though, might get a job there myself!!

Realisitic wrote:
You know that for a fact do you - that ALL bailiffs get 40% of charges applied - I don't think so. Sounds good though, might get a job there myself!!

Do you know for a fact they don't? Didn't think so.

You probably already do have a job there. Wouldn't suprise me in the slightest.

No I don't, but I do work, I am a self respecting, law abiding citizen of this country and I DO pay ALL my bills!!

Good for you. I work too. 42 hours a week. I'd held my head above water too until September, and proud to say i'd done so and stood on my own two feet for years it only takes one thing to make you financially less able to cope...just one missed payment...and the bailiffs ensure it snowballs beyond belief. You can't claw your way back because they add so much on (illegally)
I'm glad for you that you've clearly never found yourself in that position. For others just one slip and they are in the quagmire. These people don't help the situation. At all.

So stop being so holier than thou because some people DO struggle.

I'd like to go and reposses that fake smile of hers, smug ****!

Had the pleasure of the bailiffs visiting us to harass and try to intimidate us into paying 2 years council tax for 1 year of living for 6 months in a rented house and 6 months in a house we bought with nobody at the council willing to look into their mistake until we paid everything they said we owed.

On refusal to pay we were continually harassed and threatened with bailiffs putting letters through our door without even knocking to see if we were in or not saying they would come back and take our goods whether we were present or not unless we paid them.

They even said they had put a levy(?) on a car parked outside my house even though i didn't own a car at the time they said they did this.

On the one occasion they did knock on the door my wife answered and as soon as she opened the door the bailiff tried to force his way in without permission so i had to intervene and tell him he could walk in but he wouldn't be walking out let alone carrying any of our belongings so he backed off and left.

They finally gave up when i rang Rossendales and said they could send as many bailiffs as they want as my baseball bat would be more than happy to speak to them so they gave up and sent the order back to the council.

The council then made an attachment of earnings order on my wifes wages, as i'm self-employed and refused to pay until they admitted their mistake and amended the bill.

They still haven't amended the bill and are taking the money by deception direct from my wifes wages through her employers for which their is nothing we can do about it until the whole amount is paid off.

Absolutely disgraceful behaviour from Rossendales thinking they could get away with threatening a lone female into paying money she doesn't owe and even more disgraceful that the council still refuse to look into this matter yet still employ this company to collect council tax debts.

Now, every year when the council tax bills drop through the door they are added to the alleged debt and collected through the A.E.O without having to go to court or anything.

Someone should look deeper into the arrangements the council has with this company and where the extra council tax money goes if its not legally due.

Backhanders all round i believe!

Rumpole wrote:
I'd like to go and reposses that fake smile of hers, smug ****!

Had the pleasure of the bailiffs visiting us to harass and try to intimidate us into paying 2 years council tax for 1 year of living for 6 months in a rented house and 6 months in a house we bought with nobody at the council willing to look into their mistake until we paid everything they said we owed.

On refusal to pay we were continually harassed and threatened with bailiffs putting letters through our door without even knocking to see if we were in or not saying they would come back and take our goods whether we were present or not unless we paid them.

They even said they had put a levy(?) on a car parked outside my house even though i didn't own a car at the time they said they did this.

On the one occasion they did knock on the door my wife answered and as soon as she opened the door the bailiff tried to force his way in without permission so i had to intervene and tell him he could walk in but he wouldn't be walking out let alone carrying any of our belongings so he backed off and left.

They finally gave up when i rang Rossendales and said they could send as many bailiffs as they want as my baseball bat would be more than happy to speak to them so they gave up and sent the order back to the council.

The council then made an attachment of earnings order on my wifes wages, as i'm self-employed and refused to pay until they admitted their mistake and amended the bill.

They still haven't amended the bill and are taking the money by deception direct from my wifes wages through her employers for which their is nothing we can do about it until the whole amount is paid off.

Absolutely disgraceful behaviour from Rossendales thinking they could get away with threatening a lone female into paying money she doesn't owe and even more disgraceful that the council still refuse to look into this matter yet still employ this company to collect council tax debts.

Now, every year when the council tax bills drop through the door they are added to the alleged debt and collected through the A.E.O without having to go to court or anything.

Someone should look deeper into the arrangements the council has with this company and where the extra council tax money goes if its not legally due.

Backhanders all round i believe!

I think you're right about the backhanders. I went to Pendle Council and they wouldn't help me at all. Said they would only take the debt back if I also paid the bailiff charges in full (which I refused as I was disputing them) So now I get to report them too..to the ombudsman if need be.

Stop taking it so personally - seriously, you don't think they turned up just to intimidate your wife surely?? They have a job to do and if you don't pay, you've got to expect it - have you not??

As for your baseball bat story - sounds like you're still at school to me!! Time to grow up and face reality - pay your bills!

Realisitic wrote:
No I don't, but I do work, I am a self respecting, law abiding citizen of this country and I DO pay ALL my bills!!

People fall in debt for many reasons,it does not mean they are not law abiding...They do not do their jobs as laid down by the courts,they cheat to gain extra money,they lie and send letters so as another charge can be added in a desperartion for more money..This 1 baillif is the tip of the iceburg,i know full well that on many many occasions another ROSSENDALE baillif a WOMAN whos name i will not mention has been reported by elderly and sick people who she has verbally abused and terrified!!!ROSSENDA
LE are well AWARE of the actions and have done nothing.We on the other hand will and have-It is all in hand.I wonder if Julie would like to make her comments known as i have logged all calls to ROSSENDALE...Believe me there are plenty!!!!!!!

Rumpole wrote:
I'd like to go and reposses that fake smile of hers, smug ****!

Had the pleasure of the bailiffs visiting us to harass and try to intimidate us into paying 2 years council tax for 1 year of living for 6 months in a rented house and 6 months in a house we bought with nobody at the council willing to look into their mistake until we paid everything they said we owed.

On refusal to pay we were continually harassed and threatened with bailiffs putting letters through our door without even knocking to see if we were in or not saying they would come back and take our goods whether we were present or not unless we paid them.

They even said they had put a levy(?) on a car parked outside my house even though i didn't own a car at the time they said they did this.

On the one occasion they did knock on the door my wife answered and as soon as she opened the door the bailiff tried to force his way in without permission so i had to intervene and tell him he could walk in but he wouldn't be walking out let alone carrying any of our belongings so he backed off and left.

They finally gave up when i rang Rossendales and said they could send as many bailiffs as they want as my baseball bat would be more than happy to speak to them so they gave up and sent the order back to the council.

The council then made an attachment of earnings order on my wifes wages, as i'm self-employed and refused to pay until they admitted their mistake and amended the bill.

They still haven't amended the bill and are taking the money by deception direct from my wifes wages through her employers for which their is nothing we can do about it until the whole amount is paid off.

Absolutely disgraceful behaviour from Rossendales thinking they could get away with threatening a lone female into paying money she doesn't owe and even more disgraceful that the council still refuse to look into this matter yet still employ this company to collect council tax debts.

Now, every year when the council tax bills drop through the door they are added to the alleged debt and collected through the A.E.O without having to go to court or anything.

Someone should look deeper into the arrangements the council has with this company and where the extra council tax money goes if its not legally due.

Backhanders all round i believe!

Tell rossendale council that there is no law in England that states you have to pay council tax...Ask them to forward proof of your signature on a contract with them agreeing to pay the amounts they are claiming.Look up FREEDOM REBELS on the net-Then FIGHT back...

nice person wrote:

Rumpole wrote:
I'd like to go and reposses that fake smile of hers, smug ****!

Had the pleasure of the bailiffs visiting us to harass and try to intimidate us into paying 2 years council tax for 1 year of living for 6 months in a rented house and 6 months in a house we bought with nobody at the council willing to look into their mistake until we paid everything they said we owed.

On refusal to pay we were continually harassed and threatened with bailiffs putting letters through our door without even knocking to see if we were in or not saying they would come back and take our goods whether we were present or not unless we paid them.

They even said they had put a levy(?) on a car parked outside my house even though i didn't own a car at the time they said they did this.

On the one occasion they did knock on the door my wife answered and as soon as she opened the door the bailiff tried to force his way in without permission so i had to intervene and tell him he could walk in but he wouldn't be walking out let alone carrying any of our belongings so he backed off and left.

They finally gave up when i rang Rossendales and said they could send as many bailiffs as they want as my baseball bat would be more than happy to speak to them so they gave up and sent the order back to the council.

The council then made an attachment of earnings order on my wifes wages, as i'm self-employed and refused to pay until they admitted their mistake and amended the bill.

They still haven't amended the bill and are taking the money by deception direct from my wifes wages through her employers for which their is nothing we can do about it until the whole amount is paid off.

Absolutely disgraceful behaviour from Rossendales thinking they could get away with threatening a lone female into paying money she doesn't owe and even more disgraceful that the council still refuse to look into this matter yet still employ this company to collect council tax debts.

Now, every year when the council tax bills drop through the door they are added to the alleged debt and collected through the A.E.O without having to go to court or anything.

Someone should look deeper into the arrangements the council has with this company and where the extra council tax money goes if its not legally due.

Backhanders all round i believe!

Tell rossendale council that there is no law in England that states you have to pay council tax...Ask them to forward proof of your signature on a contract with them agreeing to pay the amounts they are claiming.Look up FREEDOM REBELS on the net-Then FIGHT back...

Look this up as well....
.WIRRAL COUNCIL – Admits that Council Tax is Unlawful.
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Just type in wirral council tax-It will bring this story up..

Realisitic wrote:
Stop taking it so personally - seriously, you don't think they turned up just to intimidate your wife surely?? They have a job to do and if you don't pay, you've got to expect it - have you not??

As for your baseball bat story - sounds like you're still at school to me!! Time to grow up and face reality - pay your bills!

No numpty!

They turned up to collect a disputed debt and thought they could intimidate my wife and force their way into our home.

If a grown man thinks he can try to intimidate my wife and force his way in then a bat round the knees is what he will get same as anyone else that thinks they can do it!

We were paying our council tax by weekly instalments until we moved and then asked the council to amend our bill to take into account we had moved cos they had started sending us a bill for the full years council tax for the new house while still trying to collect the outstanding amount for our previous address.

We are grown up and do pay our bills which is why we were able to obtain a mortgage to buy our own house in the first place.

Sounds to me that you either work for Rossendales or have got a hard-on for fake Julie and feel the need to defend her or her company for the way they operate!

Sounds to me like you're part of this massive blame culture - blame, blame, blame, never your fault.

For the record, I don't work for Rossendales and I am a woman, so your last comment, really makes you sound like a silly little school boy.

Any way time to sign off now, bills to pay, work to do. You know how it is - oh sorry, you probably don't!

Realisitic wrote:
Sounds to me like you're part of this massive blame culture - blame, blame, blame, never your fault.

For the record, I don't work for Rossendales and I am a woman, so your last comment, really makes you sound like a silly little school boy.

Any way time to sign off now, bills to pay, work to do. You know how it is - oh sorry, you probably don't!

Stick your tongue back in!

Obviously you have not read my comments or you simply fail to understand what i have written.

BILL PAYING SELF-EMPLOYED HOME-OWNER

9p.m. and you have work to do, must be cold on them there street corners at this time of year!

Rumpole wrote:

Realisitic wrote:
Sounds to me like you're part of this massive blame culture - blame, blame, blame, never your fault.

For the record, I don't work for Rossendales and I am a woman, so your last comment, really makes you sound like a silly little school boy.

Any way time to sign off now, bills to pay, work to do. You know how it is - oh sorry, you probably don't!

Stick your tongue back in!

Obviously you have not read my comments or you simply fail to understand what i have written.

BILL PAYING SELF-EMPLOYED HOME-OWNER

9p.m. and you have work to do, must be cold on them there street corners at this time of year!

lol

nice person wrote:

nice person wrote:

Rumpole wrote:
I'd like to go and reposses that fake smile of hers, smug ****!

Had the pleasure of the bailiffs visiting us to harass and try to intimidate us into paying 2 years council tax for 1 year of living for 6 months in a rented house and 6 months in a house we bought with nobody at the council willing to look into their mistake until we paid everything they said we owed.

On refusal to pay we were continually harassed and threatened with bailiffs putting letters through our door without even knocking to see if we were in or not saying they would come back and take our goods whether we were present or not unless we paid them.

They even said they had put a levy(?) on a car parked outside my house even though i didn't own a car at the time they said they did this.

On the one occasion they did knock on the door my wife answered and as soon as she opened the door the bailiff tried to force his way in without permission so i had to intervene and tell him he could walk in but he wouldn't be walking out let alone carrying any of our belongings so he backed off and left.

They finally gave up when i rang Rossendales and said they could send as many bailiffs as they want as my baseball bat would be more than happy to speak to them so they gave up and sent the order back to the council.

The council then made an attachment of earnings order on my wifes wages, as i'm self-employed and refused to pay until they admitted their mistake and amended the bill.

They still haven't amended the bill and are taking the money by deception direct from my wifes wages through her employers for which their is nothing we can do about it until the whole amount is paid off.

Absolutely disgraceful behaviour from Rossendales thinking they could get away with threatening a lone female into paying money she doesn't owe and even more disgraceful that the council still refuse to look into this matter yet still employ this company to collect council tax debts.

Now, every year when the council tax bills drop through the door they are added to the alleged debt and collected through the A.E.O without having to go to court or anything.

Someone should look deeper into the arrangements the council has with this company and where the extra council tax money goes if its not legally due.

Backhanders all round i believe!

Tell rossendale council that there is no law in England that states you have to pay council tax...Ask them to forward proof of your signature on a contract with them agreeing to pay the amounts they are claiming.Look up FREEDOM REBELS on the net-Then FIGHT back...

Look this up as well....
.WIRRAL COUNCIL – Admits that Council Tax is Unlawful.
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Just type in wirral council tax-It will bring this story up..

Thanks, just read about this and will be printing off copies and taking legal advice as to whether this is right or not.

If it is i will be claiming back the last 6 years worth of council tax, with interest, and never giving them another penny of my hard earned money.

I cannot believe it is turning into bill payer and scrounger. more in tune with playtime at primary.

the poor are being set up for hell, with you coming after, can you really not see past your nose?

Lifeinthemix wrote:
I cannot believe it is turning into bill payer and scrounger. more in tune with playtime at primary.

the poor are being set up for hell, with you coming after, can you really not see past your nose?

well said...

once again some good comments some bad, for once lifeinthemix, i agree with most of your comments, bailliff law clearly states they CANNOT ENTER WITHOUT PERMISSION untill they have gained peaceful entry, they cannot make a levy, once they have made a levy on physical goods, then and only then, the police may help them gain forceful entry to remove the goods on the levy only, the trick is, NEVER let them in, they have no choice but to refer the matter back to the originator, also they cannot remove any goods not owned by you or which are tools of your trade. that is fact...
realistic, FACT bailliffs get 40% of any debts collected within 6yrs and 80% of any debts they collect which are older than that, but according to statute of limitations, any unsecured debt cannot be collected after the 6 year period has elapsed unless a court order has been obtained before its expiry......furtherm
ore according to law, ANY amount which is in dispute need not be paid untill the dispute has been agreeably seettled, but the baillifs will tell you that you MUST pay the amount and then claim it back (minus their fees) after the dispute has been resolved, this is a bailliff lie

Rumpole wrote:

Realisitic wrote:
Sounds to me like you're part of this massive blame culture - blame, blame, blame, never your fault.

For the record, I don't work for Rossendales and I am a woman, so your last comment, really makes you sound like a silly little school boy.

Any way time to sign off now, bills to pay, work to do. You know how it is - oh sorry, you probably don't!

Stick your tongue back in!

Obviously you have not read my comments or you simply fail to understand what i have written.

BILL PAYING SELF-EMPLOYED HOME-OWNER

9p.m. and you have work to do, must be cold on them there street corners at this time of year!

Hahaha!

In my case I didn't let them in, they didn't levy anything and I didn't sign anything. It didn't stop them returning with a van and trying to charge me a fee for that. (They cannot charge for a van to take goods unless they've gained peaceful entry to the property and levied goods which you've agreed upon and then signed. - then a van may come if you default on this agreement) He thought just because he turned up in a van that he could charge me £120.

Not happening mate. See you in court when I report you to them.

THIS is what people are angry about. Blatant robbery.

like i said before crocodile tears you have been sussed out you stupid woman fancy putting it in the paper worse thing you could have done she tryin to tell us the public she does not know wat goes on she is a born lyer just look at the state of it with her everything about her is false get any money she ends up claiming dole hahhaha

She is a legend. I work hard I pay ALL my bills, have done since 16! Shame others don't. Know people who don't pay their council tax and use the money to go on holiday!! If we all did that, what a great country this would be (NOT). **** job couldn't do it, but glad there are those than do. Ps ask your council how much of your bill is to subsidise those that don't pay, once you know you might change your views on bailiffs.

Seneca says don't leave a gap at the door they will squeeze past you, who does she think the bailiff is? Harry potter with his invisibility cloak? An amusing blog, but isn't the reality that creditors deserve to be paid what is owed? How would you feel if your giro dint arrive at the end of the week, you'd want it wouldn't you? And rely on a system to be able to help you get it?

Hey predicto these lazy whingers haven't worked that bit out, us hard working tax payers pay for them to sit at home and whiny on their fancy computers and smart phones.

Just been on the rossendales website, there is a campaign for change, why not make your comments known and make a difference? Www.thecampaignforch
ange.co.Uk get off their backs and realise that we are a law abiding country in the main, and without laws and enforcement where would we be? We've had public unrest with the recent city rioting surely people can't advocate a lawless society?

With all the trailers before the programme it far from lived up to the hype. I thought the bailiff harboured totally unacceptable beliefs which, even at his age, he should have kept to himself. To me the only people he let down were himself and his family.
As for doing the job, who doesn't start early in London. Equally, how difficult must it be to get people to pay who are not willing to help themselves if they have got genuine problems with debt. I have looked on the Hounslow website and their council leader has made what look to me to be pretty constructive comments. He would prefer not to use bailiffs but they have to but only as a last resort. They clearly provide a lot of guidance for those with genuine problems.
As a payer of council tax and business rates myself I did a bit more digging because I was astounded by Rossendales' claim to recover £92 million in one year. I discovered that in Hounslow alone bailiffs return £5 million of unpaid tax and although I was unable to establish Rossendales' share the implication was that they recovered the most.
It would be interesting if the Telegraph could find out what bailiffs put back in to our local authorities.
Bailiffing is clearly a difficult and sometimes soul destroying job, I could not do it. If Mr Boast had kept his thoughts to himself he may have been still in a job helping Hounslow to recover £5 million - more fool him.
Whoever produced the programme needs to look at their editing techniques - clearly spun together out of sequence.

predicto, that is one of the sly tactics they use, you open the door they push their foot in it so you cannot close the door without them claiming you have assaulted them, slimey sneaky parasites the lot of them.
hardworker, I was asked to act on behalf of an 85 year old disabled lady after bailliffs ahd tried to BULLY her into paying a £100 bill for something she had never recieved, +£158 bailliff fees, they charged her for their bullying of disabled pensioners, how much of legend is that you fool, the local council are still, 11 years later threatening me personally with prison for non payment of council tax for a property for the period of 3 years before i lived in it, they can whistle and so can any and all bailliffs who have been and left with their tails between their legs, dont assume that ALL bailliff activities are justified or the amounts they are collecting are verified and not subject to challenge, they're bullies and legalised thieves nothing more, who else can enter your home and steal your goods without being arrested for it? under the laws of the data protection act, they are NOT authorised to collect anything without you first admitting liability, you owe the bailliffs nothing, they are nothing more than a third party acting and claiming your account as their own, unlawful.

Mysay - I don't know if your reference to "fool" was addressed to me, I can assure you my comment was not aimed at anyone and I am certainly no expert on bailiffs and I have never had a liability so cannot speak with first hand knowledge. Your account of the 85 year old lady sounds awful but, in my humble opinion, the authority that chased her were out of order in the first place.
I have done more research. Bailiffs acting for councils do so once the council have applied to the magistrate court for a liability order (this info is easy to find online). Incredibly that liability order gives the bailiff the authority to 'seize goods to the value of' - sounds like we have not progressed since the middle ages; so clearly there IS a need for new legislation which I think was the point of the programme.
You can find bad apples in every walk of life and I am sure your case and others do represent where bailiffs have over stepped the mark - it is ridiculous that they can put their foot through the door but that is the law - I think what you are saying is how some do it that is the real problem.
The programme stated that bailiffs are issued with 2 million warrants a year (I have discovered that it is more than that) - I understand your annoyance if you should never have had dealings with them in the first place - BUT I will never believe that so many warrants, granted by the court, are all issued to genuine hardship cases. I think we would be naive to think otherwise. How many non-payers would there be if there was no deterrent.
Keep the deterrent (bailiff) but control their powers is what I say.
I am not saying that the bailiffs are always right but in the case of Laocal Authority taxes they g

Mysay - I don't know if your reference to "fool" was addressed to me, I can assure you my comment was not aimed at anyone and I am certainly no expert on bailiffs and I have never had a liability so cannot speak with first hand knowledge. Your account of the 85 year old lady sounds awful but, in my humble opinion, the authority that chased her were out of order in the first place.
I have done more research. Bailiffs acting for councils do so once the council have applied to the magistrate court for a liability order (this info is easy to find online). Incredibly that liability order gives the bailiff the authority to 'seize goods to the value of' - sounds like we have not progressed since the middle ages; so clearly there IS a need for new legislation which I think was the point of the programme.
You can find bad apples in every walk of life and I am sure your case and others do represent where bailiffs have over stepped the mark - it is ridiculous that they can put their foot through the door but that is the law - I think what you are saying is how some do it that is the real problem.
The programme stated that bailiffs are issued with 2 million warrants a year (I have discovered that it is more than that) - I understand your annoyance if you should never have had dealings with them in the first place - BUT I will never believe that so many warrants, granted by the court, are all issued to genuine hardship cases. I think we would be naive to think otherwise. How many non-payers would there be if there was no deterrent.
Keep the deterrent (bailiff) but control their powers is what I say.
I am not saying that the bailiffs are always right but in the case of Laocal Authority taxes they g

Waveflute, you talk a lot sense! A few others on this blog should take a leaf out of your book and research, before spouting about things they know very little about!

Thank you Realistic, before Monday I knew very little - it is all out there if people care to look.

I for one do not want my bills going up by companies having to increase their fees by charging me extra to cover for none payers.
If you want to get rid of Julia pay your debts other wise shout up and pay up!

mavrick wrote:
People who do this kind work are moronic lying bullying thugs, like clampers. the general public should be able to use these parasites as target practice.
There are plenty of options open to a creditor via the courts.

Maverick you r so right - creditors can use the courts and guess what the get a judgement and the bailiffs come to enforce it! And rightly bloody so...

Maverick you r so right - creditors can use the courts and guess what the get a judgement and the bailiffs come to enforce it! And rightly bloody so...

waveflute, no the comment was not aimed at you, it was aimed at the comment of julia being a "legend", I am not saying that there is no need for bailliffs, there is, and always will be, there are and always will be intentional and habitual non-payers, for those, action should be taken and i fully support it, the problem with the liability orders are they are merely a formality and in many cases are grnated before the "debtor" is aware that it has gone to court. the point i have mae is that disputed amounts should not be enforced or passed to courts or bailliffs untill such time as the dispute has been resolved, and I totally agree with you that whilst there is a need, there is just as much a need for the bailliffs to be forced to follow the guidelines set out, and that theose guidelines MUST be reviewed as you said

Thanks mysay, I don't want any of my observations to be taken personally.
I would, however, question your reference to "dispute" - I dispute the value of my council tax and business rates every year, especially the latter which costs our Company over £125,000.00 per annum! We could say what do we get for that - not a lot is the answer, we don't even get our bins emptied! But it is our contribution to our local community and if everybody paid that, I believe, can pay our bill would be less.
I have done more research - it seems that most councils send at least tow reminders followed by a summons followed by a 14 day letter which effectively tells them they have 14 days before the bailiffs are instructed. In my book that is plenty of warning before the knock on or foot in the door arrives. Do you know the more I look in to this the more wound up I get. If people have a genuine problem our society provides numerous avenues to go down to find help and advice. Of course that still leaves those that for medical or other reasons can not really help themselves and in those cases the bailiff surely should never be asked to call.
I think we are on the same lines but we must be able to distinguish between people of genuinely can't pay and those who either can afford but don't and those that could have afforded but spent the money on non-essentials.

I agree, I totally dispute having to pay my council tax, but it is after all tax, and is therefore compulsory. You are absolutely correct, Waveflute, I have also done some research, it is a fact - if the non-payers paid, all our council tax bills would be a lot less!
So I think it is fair to say, that 9/10 bailiffs are an asset to our economy, and long may they continue!!

@Waveflute

On receiving my bill for the extra years council tax that we didn't believe we owed, and still don't, i tried several times to get the council to look into it and after i stopped paying the weekly instalments the council applied for a liability order at the magistrates but my wife and i had to work and couldn't attend.

I rang and told them this to which they said it would proceed in our absence and charge us for the costs anyway so pay up!

We then received a liability order from the court saying we had to pay the council, i rang them and again questioned the bill, explaining why we wasn't paying it, only to be told until we paid it they wouldn't do anything.

For two years after the court date and their obtaining this order they continually sent the bailiffs, week after week they came back, letters through the door, then tried to force their way in past my wife, where i stepped in as described above.

Only then did they send it back to the council who then put an attachment of earnings order on my wifes wages.

So ask yourself this,

If the council were in a position to place an attachment of earnings order on my wifes wages direct through her employer then why did they not do that when they first obtained the liability order?

Why did the bailiffs continue to return throughout the two years when they were told the first time they came that the amount was being disputed and they should send it back to the council so it could be sorted out?

Why did the bailiff believe he could force his way past my wife into the house without permission?

Sound like a case of harassment by the council and bullying by the bailiffs just because they think they can get away with it!

They wouldn't look into the matter when i was paying it and they wouldn't look into it when i stopped paying it so what would you do?

Anyone else acting like the council would be arrested for extortion and anyone acting like these bailiffs would be arrested for aggravated burglary!

One law for us and one law for them!

Sorry Rumpole, as I started by saying, I am no expert so I could not possibly comment or advise. Only to say that there are others that might have listened if you had a genuine problem, CAB etc.
Hope you got it sorted.

Still not sorted.

We gave up trying to get any sense out of them so its simply a case of always being a year behind with payments because of the extra year they are trying to get so that, when my wife gives up her job in 2 years time they will have no way of collecting any money so they will have to take us back to court for whatever years council tax is still outstanding for that current year where we we be able to attend court and present our case to the judge and see what happens.

And if that Wirral Council story about council tax not being lawful is true then sit back and watch the flying muslim hit the fan. (sorry not allowed to say shi'ite)

I did not see the program. Could you please report what the bailiff did?

I did not see the program. Could you please report what the bailiff did?

He spoke about those of whom we do not speak!

Rumpole, completely understand where you are coming from as it happenned to me,
the answer to the question "what do i mean by dispute" is precisely what happenned in your case, as with mine for the alleged outstanding amount for the 3 years of someone elses bill from before I lived here, that is a dispute,

none of us feel that we get our monies worth but thats the price set,

unfortunately Rumpole, the mistake you made was to stop paying the current years amount, had you continued to pay that amount you would have much more of a case at court, i have not missed a payment at all in the last 11 yrs so i have a good battle with them and they know it, which is why i have told them, after the bailliffs fruitless visits, please take me to court, then you will lose and pay ALL legal fees for the letters sent, undue stress for the last 11 yrs, for some strange reason, they wont do that, they just sent bailliffs, nice try.

As I said before, the only way to "beat the bailliffs" is DO NOT let them in, hang lace curtains so they cannot identify anything through the window, they will have no choice but to return the case as "nothing of value".

Also its worth knowing that they can lawfully only call 3 times, once to levy, once to remind, once to collect goods, anything more than that, challenge them!

the last time the council tried to summons me to appear at court, £85 for the councils letter, needless to say the soummons was withdrawn and the fee cancelled.

there is only actually a very small percentage of council tax which is classed as in arrears, verses the millions of pounds actually collected,

this information can be found on the councils web pages under their financial report, so the overall amount which is added to the amount is minimal.

Hope this helps.

We do not pay the current years amount because the money they do get is for the year we shouldn't be paying yet still get billed for and has a reference number relating directly to the years account it is owed for.

The current years amount is added to the A.E.O with a reference number of the account it is payed towards when it is deducted so they will always be a year in arrears until they deduct the year we're not supposed to be paying from the total amount owed!

The whole point is they are refusing to look into the mistake regardless of what i do so only time will tell if they ever do the job they do to serve the public or whether they believe we serve them and have no right to question them, or a bill they send us, or a letter they send, or a bailiff!

i think i understand what has happened here, correct me if i am wrong,

they have an attachment of earnings for the past year, rather than the current year or an amount to pay the current year and reduce the amount owed,

this means they are sending bailliffs for the current year claiming you have again failed to pay? very sneaky!!

if this is the case, take advice to confirm, but i am sure you could write to the council beginning with "take formal notice" i hereby state that i demand my payments to be taken against my current years bill, the outstanding amount is still in dispute and untill this dispute is resolved, i do not accept my liability to your claim,

i would be happy to attend court to resolve this matter.

It may be advisable to do this at the start the next fiscal year so it is clear cut and easier to reconcile.

your council tax reference number should never change, at the bottom it will state this amount does not include the outstanding balance of ....... which is subject to legal proceedings (or court action)

this is good because it means they cannot claim it or take it before it has gone to court where you will have the opportunity to make representations.
please check my advice with citaens advice or a financial advisor

Still, follow previous statement, NEVER let the thieves in, as if you would, in this matter they just go by the name of bailliff

mysay - good advice but what is your opinion when there is no "dispute" (and I understand your definition now") and the bailiff attends defaulters that have the means but decide not to pay or have run in to difficulties by prioritising non- essential purchases over their local taxation contribution. Do you recommend net curtains to those people, because I for one don't.
Rumpole - I have found the substance of myspace's advice online, not perhaps in so much detail but it is there, especially the bit about not paying the 'current' year. When you encountered the problem, where did you turn for advice?

waveflute, when there is no dispute, then there IS a need for bailliffs as they are nothing more than glorified debt collectors, but they MUST follow the guidelines set out in bailliff law, (which can be found esaily online @ http://www.payplan.c
om/debt-library/bail
iffs-bailiff-law.php
)

but as Rumpole said, they should be a last resort, attachment of earnings etc could and should be used first.

But an intentional, habitual non-payer is a drain on all resources and DOES cost us all, so i sgree with you that they deserve to have any and all means of recollection used against them, tough luck and serves them right i say.

Rumpole, noe further very important piece of advice...
It is imperitive that you keep copies of ALL payments made per year, this will show that you HAVE maintained payments, it has been the councils decision and error has to allocate those payments towrds the "alleged" and"disputed" amount instead of the current year, you are correct NOT to pay any additional payments as this would be an admission of liability, which would leave you without a case.

You can also apply to the court to have the case re-opened yourself, although you may as well wait till the council do it for you, this would give you an opportunity to demonstrate, (through evidence of payment) that you are NOT a non-payer, you are simply refusing to pay an amount to which a dispute is on-going and has not yet been resolved.

Buy a dodgy address off the internet! Change your name! Easy peasy! £50 per year! Cant catch me now! Tig your on!

Use debt to finance a better life! You only live once! Whos laughing now baliffs?

Strawberry71 wrote:
Absolute rubbish that she has no clue what her employees are up to. More like a blind eye is turned to keep her in the lifestyle she's become accustomed to. I recently had a run in with some bailiffs in Pendle. I'm a single mum working full time...my rent and council tax alone takes up just over half my monthly wage and unfortunately I got a little behind with things and ended up with a bailiff wanting £285. (mostly made up of fake charges) I sought help from the Consumer Action Group and quickly realised these charges were made up which was proved when they refused to give me a breakdown of charges. I proved them wrong on many of these 'false visits' and 'van fees' and the bailiff referred my debt back to the office as he had been caught out. I intend to report him to the court that certified him with my findings. Owing a debt is one thing, and yes, it has to be collected...but these parasites see that as an opportunity to steal money from those who are least able to afford it. So all those saying 'Well you should pay your bills'...walk a day in my shoes. It's not that easy and these parasites make it all the more harder. See if I was sat on my backside churning out kids and getting everything paid for i'd be worry free wouldn't I? But no. I pay the cost of having some pride. Parasites. The lot of them.

Well said luv !!

I don't care what anyone says, bailiffs are legalised thieves. If you owed me a thousand pounds and I came and took your car to repay the debt, I would be done for theft. There is no difference except that a bailiff can set their own value on the goods so your 5 thousand pound car is worth only 1 thousand in their eyes. This is most likely so that they can come back and take some more to pay off that 2 thousand pound debt.

Also, the law allows them to enter through an open window if they cannot get in the door. I'm sorry but that is classed as unlawful entry for anyone else and should also be the same for a bailiff. If you got caught doing it, you would be done for breaking and entering despite the fact that you have not actually broken anything to get in. Since that would be classified as forced entry, a bailiff should not be able to do it.

A little while ago, they were talking about giving bailiffs the ability to force entry even though they did not have a walking possession. Can you imagine the problems when they take goods that do not even belong to you, your kids stuff and so on? Just try to get the goods back though, you have to jump through so many hoops that it makes the process practically impossible, who keeps receipts for months or more to prove they own it and how many receipts have a name written on them?

Bailiffs are an archaic system dating back to the 1600's and should be scrapped in favour of the many more effective ways to recover debts now. Courts can enforce an attachment to earnings/benefits so it is paid off over a period of time. There is no longer any need for these legalised thieves.

The sanctimonious Mr Purple ought to realise that a lot of baliffs are no better than the sort of thugs we see employed by Clamping firms.
No decent person would want to do a job like that, less than being a rent boy's pimp I'd say !

Some people are very blinkered to what is really happening with regards to bailiffs and debt. There are many people who cannot pay bills because of personal circumstances, death in the family, divorce, loss of a job, and illness. Councils DONT help and are far too quick to call the bailiffs out. One was called out because the debtor was a penny short in paying their CT, they ended up paying out a lot more than the next CT bills to set it right. Bailiffs are also called out to people for mistakes the councils make, ok its the councils fault, but the bailiff still wants their fees from the non debtor. Is that fair? this is not a rare occurrence, it happens far more than the councils admit to.
Mr purple, if they came banging on your loved ones door for no reason or took their car as a mistake I am sure you would be the first to take some sort of action. Many bailiffs are thugs, extort money from people who can barely feed their family. This is rife among bailiffs Rossendale included and Julies knows this. Read the Sunday Times this weekend.