Halal menu at new Blackburn Italian restaurant
10:53am Thursday 4th February 2010 in
A NEW Italian restaurant with a difference has opened in Blackburn.
Gino’s, in the former Tiggi's restaurant site, in King William Street, is the town’s first Italian eatery with a fully Halal menu.
The restaurant buys meat from local suppliers and has a host of offers to attract diners.
Manager Gino Di Filippo believes there is a big appetite for an eatery which caters for Halal diners.
Mr Filippo said: “We have been busy so far, so I am sure there’s a market for us.”
Comments(85)
spyderleg
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11:41am Thu 4 Feb 10
jcb wrote:Love Italian food but this restaurant is already crossed off mine and my families list! My guess is it won't last twelve months.
And what if I don't want to eat Halal meat, do you have alternatives (and I don't mean vegetarian) or is this a restaurant I have to cross off my list of eating places?.
Rocksta
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11:57am Thu 4 Feb 10
ENGLISH SKINHEAD
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12:02pm Thu 4 Feb 10
In this country, this leaves Halal meat purely as an old-fashioned religious custom, with nothing other than cultural value.
Halal meat neither tastes better or worse than non-Halal, the quality, again, is of no difference. All butchers, including Halal, still have to conform to government health standards.
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As all religion, slowly, and rightly, takes a back seat in the way we live our lives, it does surprise me that religious influences are being introduced. Especially, as it would appear that the above establishment also serves wine.
You can't please all of the people all of the time.
jcb - I don't quite understand why you don't eat Halal. It's only a quaint tradition.
midas
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12:20pm Thu 4 Feb 10
Mike
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12:31pm Thu 4 Feb 10
They are crossed off my list
lkw
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12:32pm Thu 4 Feb 10
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he6rt6gr6m
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12:40pm Thu 4 Feb 10
Why cant everywhere just have a Halal queue and an un-blessed queue?
I will eat Halal if its from a take-away or Curry house I respect, and if the place is ran by the people who only eat and handle Halal meat. However I wont eat in places that have the option and are pushing Halal meat on people it is not intended for.
Its blessed and prepared for other religions. NOT Christians. So why would Christians not have the right to be **** off about it??
lkw
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1:02pm Thu 4 Feb 10
lkw wrote:Should probably just add what the RSPCA document says about Halal for those who don't open the link.
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"We recognise that religious beliefs and practices should be respected. We also believe that it is important to ensure that animals are slaughtered under the most humane conditions possible.
Scientific research has clearly shown that slaughter of an animal without stunning can cause unnecessary suffering, and so we are opposed to the slaughter of any animal without first making it insensible to pain and distress."
antony h
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1:10pm Thu 4 Feb 10
If it looks the same, tastes the same then it is the same, be like most normal people and say a prayer before you eat your meal, no needs for all this bs.
Viv
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1:54pm Thu 4 Feb 10
I honestly don't know how an Itailian restaurant can have a fully halal menu whilst still pffering the traditional range of Itailan foods as we know and love them.
ENGLISH SKINHEAD
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2:07pm Thu 4 Feb 10
antony h wrote:Quite agree. Not much use in me praying. My wife and kids are all going to heaven, but seemingly as I haven't been christened no amount of praying will save me from an eternity burning in hellfire.
Would akon and midas like a room.
If it looks the same, tastes the same then it is the same, be like most normal people and say a prayer before you eat your meal, no needs for all this bs.
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Don't suppose Islam has an opt-out clause?
akon
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3:03pm Thu 4 Feb 10
Yes please.
Lanc's Lad
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4:17pm Thu 4 Feb 10
My friend as we are on the subject of animal cruelty,
FOIE GRAS comes to mind very quickly.
Lanc's Lad
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4:23pm Thu 4 Feb 10
http://effa-uk.org/e
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lkw
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4:41pm Thu 4 Feb 10
This seems to be another restaurant in Blackburn including Subway and The Steak and Burger Co which appear to presume that non-muslims are unaware of what Halal means.
I doubt many customers will be aware of what Halal means and of course some people who do know won't be bothered.
However customers of this restaurant and others should either be given the choice or the information about Halal as many of the types of people who are inclined to give money to the RSPCA or declare that they are against animal cruelty may falsely assume that Halal is simply blessed meat.
antony h
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5:22pm Thu 4 Feb 10
The offspring
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5:24pm Thu 4 Feb 10
antony h wrote:If it looks the same,tastes the same why does it why does it have to be halal then?
Would akon and midas like a room. If it looks the same, tastes the same then it is the same, be like most normal people and say a prayer before you eat your meal, no needs for all this bs.
Davidoff
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5:27pm Thu 4 Feb 10
I like pasta, mostly all Italian food but ... oh, dear, there it goes. What's in that tagliatelle! Poco a poco. Fuoco off! Next it'll be pub food with a choice of Halal food. It'll be everywhere next. You watch.
antony h
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5:39pm Thu 4 Feb 10
The offspring wrote:I cannot answer that question as i do not live my life by a book, i choose what i do and do not do, i have a mind of my own, if i get sent to hell for that well so be it, least i will be warm as at this minute i am friggin freezing.
antony h wrote:If it looks the same,tastes the same why does it why does it have to be halal then?
Would akon and midas like a room. If it looks the same, tastes the same then it is the same, be like most normal people and say a prayer before you eat your meal, no needs for all this bs.
KBB
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5:52pm Thu 4 Feb 10
archibold
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6:34pm Thu 4 Feb 10
gino's
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7:40pm Thu 4 Feb 10
archibold
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8:02pm Thu 4 Feb 10
gino's
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8:27pm Thu 4 Feb 10
bluetonic
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8:39pm Thu 4 Feb 10
kosher/halal same thing!
for all you negative peeps out there i suggest you read the links below, especialy you archibold, you might learn something!
http://www.themodern
religion.com/misc/an
/an_slaughter.htm
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Halal
'halal' its the future!
archibold
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8:51pm Thu 4 Feb 10
e its my choice not to eat it.
and bluetonic.....we are not discussing kosher food here are we?? possibly not and i never mentioned it being outlawed in any sense.......i commented on how this country has laws that govern how animals should be treated humainly at the time of slaughter altho it does not apply to halal...and how this is not fair practice - either the law applies to all or none as far as i am concerned!
i have no issue with muslims eating it - each to their own as far as i am concerned but i don't like it forced upon me when this is not a muslim country and so we should not follow their traditions...i do not want, in a few years time to find establishments up and down the country to offer this and so I have to eat vegetarian......if muslims have a choice and their own beliefs on meat then why can't i? that is my point
gino's
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9:00pm Thu 4 Feb 10
archibold
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9:15pm Thu 4 Feb 10
bluetonic
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9:21pm Thu 4 Feb 10
gino's
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9:27pm Thu 4 Feb 10
archibold
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9:32pm Thu 4 Feb 10
And if we put it into perspective...this would be like serving non halal meat in their restaurants......and making them eat vegetarian in their country to serve our needs - its wouldn't be right.
And halal meat is on offer in the community so we do meet the muslim needs in that way. If you are suggesting its ok for me to go against my wishes and eat their meat then why shouldn't they go against their wishes and eat mine? Because we should respect each others wishes and provide for the population in which this country was founded upon
rickyl
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10:43pm Thu 4 Feb 10
jamesdarwen
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11:52pm Thu 4 Feb 10
!! Give it a try and see!!!!!!!!
kimberim
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2:11am Fri 5 Feb 10
Where's_the_beef?
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7:05am Fri 5 Feb 10
antony h
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8:23am Fri 5 Feb 10
jamesdarwen wrote:Well for one the food will only be rubbish if the chef cooks it rubbish, halal meat is no different to "Normal" meat, most people have tried normal meat so yeah they do have every right to comment on it without going to the place and trying it, your talking like halal meat is an entirely different kind of meat, or are you trying to say that halal meat is going to taste better?
everyone is entitled to their own views and opinions but i do feel that most of the other comments are narrow minded and opinionated, when i bet that none or few of you have been there, so why not go in there give the restaurant service and of course the food a try, and then leave comments that are truthful and just, instead of hearing and seeing the word Halal and thinking its rubbish!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!! Give it a try and see!!!!!!!!
If you have read most of the comments you will notice that they are comments about halal meat in general not that the food sucks there.
archibold
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8:30am Fri 5 Feb 10
Yes some ppl will object to this on the basis of not being well informed and due to racist beliefs but mine are not this and are purely down to my issues with the animals and their care. also how do you know i am white? maybe i am black but not a muslim...i do have black family members so go figure!
And yes I would disagree with kosher food too.....yes that is 'white' as you put it....and i know full well where the meat comes from.....it is how it is prepared that is the issue! And as for fruit and water.....if it was a case of these being alive and not being properly stunned before being cut up into chunks and letting their juices drain slowly in agony, than yes, i would object to that too......but becuase an apple will not suffer during the juicing process i tend not to be so worried about it.....and because - as i stated before it is the animal welfare i am concerned about - and fruit is not an animal.....young children know this! think before you speak!
andy19788
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9:03am Fri 5 Feb 10
You eat meat, regardless of how it's killed, your eating another life force. Don't try and justify to yourselves that your somehow better because the animal suffers less, your being selfish and taking a life to eat that meat, so accept that you clearly don't care for the animal in the first place.
But if this is a debate about halal meat in general, lets go talk on a forum. This is about Mr Filippo's new business adventure and I think it's a very clever idea to adapt to a changing society.
I myself will happily be trying it out.
dinkydebs
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9:05am Fri 5 Feb 10
the food was so good and is all italian what ever the meat is, the staff are nice and polite which is needed in these sort of places, i think people shud try before criticizing this top restaurant ill be visiting this restaurant on my dinners and maybe weekends with my family and friend,
and as for valentines nite me and my partner will be going in for there £14.95 for a 3 corse meal which to me thats cheap as chips,
good luck gino with your new business because i think it will be a hit with every1
also i tuck my 8 year old to this restaurant and he loves the food and wonts to go back so try before you criticize you'll never no till you do will ya
dinkydebs
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9:29am Fri 5 Feb 10
tenerc
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9:38am Fri 5 Feb 10
but would like to know how much domino pizza have gained or lost since they went halal & stopped doing ham on there pizza.
dinkydebs
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10:00am Fri 5 Feb 10
brfcrules
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10:21am Fri 5 Feb 10
archibold wrote:so now your saying you object to the way the meat is prepared and not how it is killed!!! there is no special way to prepare halal meat, it is cut, minced or cooked as any other. Why did you not object that this is selling meat dishes full stop. Your a blatant bigot, racist fraudster, hate spreader. I bet you don't object to people different from you suffering, raped, tortured and killed. you would have a wet dream thinking about it! I don't object to you and your mates being small narrow minded bigots, I object to your denial to it.
Why the hell am I now racist because i refuse to eat halal....no i am not.......just because i don't agree with how the animal is slaughtered does not make me a racist....and if that is the case - does that not make muslim people racist for not eating our meat then - its only the same but in reverse...go figure clever sod! maybe you should think about what you write before hand....and do not dare label ppl with being racist when you do not know them.
Yes some ppl will object to this on the basis of not being well informed and due to racist beliefs but mine are not this and are purely down to my issues with the animals and their care. also how do you know i am white? maybe i am black but not a muslim...i do have black family members so go figure!
And yes I would disagree with kosher food too.....yes that is 'white' as you put it....and i know full well where the meat comes from.....it is how it is prepared that is the issue! And as for fruit and water.....if it was a case of these being alive and not being properly stunned before being cut up into chunks and letting their juices drain slowly in agony, than yes, i would object to that too......but becuase an apple will not suffer during the juicing process i tend not to be so worried about it.....and because - as i stated before it is the animal welfare i am concerned about - and fruit is not an animal.....young children know this! think before you speak!
ponto52
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10:44am Fri 5 Feb 10
the well known pie firm in baxenden
was halhal meat.
Excluded
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11:22am Fri 5 Feb 10
If you don't want to eat halal meat don't go there. There are loads of other Italian restaurants in the area.
If you want to eat halal meat, then go there. It seems to be the only halal Italian restaurant in the area.
You can't get meat in a vegetarian restaurant, a pizza in a Chinese restaurant or a curry in a Mexican restaurant. Unless you want a rule where every restaurant has to serve exactly the same menu, then different restaurants will serve different things.
If enough people go there, it will survive. If they don't it won't. It's a business.
Where's_the_beef?
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11:29am Fri 5 Feb 10
bluetonic wrote:Bluetonic, you are joking, of course? Admittedly, we don’t hear too much about Islamic intolerance of other religions and dietary preferences from the BBC, the government, nor the established Church. But try telling the butchered priests in the Sudan how well they are 'catered for' in Muslim counties, or the Christian Filipinos publicly flogged for simply praying in Riyadh. I wonder if the Punjabi Christian recently dragged before a court in Pakistan accused of having sent a blasphemous message on his mobile phone, with the obligatory Muslim rent-a-mob screaming for the death penalty outside the court would endorse your opinion? Or the thousands of minority Coptic Christians in Egypt, forced to watch their homes burned to the ground, again by Muslim mobs? The fact is bluetonic, old chap, Johnny Muslim isn't quite as tolerant of other faiths or on board with this multicultural malarky as you, and the likes of the BBC, try to make out. Oh, and before you play the tedious race card again; all the just mentioned victims of justice, Sharia style, are non-white.
archiblod, muslim countries cater for you, pork, alcohol etc etc, they dont have to, but they do!
Rocksta
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1:11pm Fri 5 Feb 10
Rocksta
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1:21pm Fri 5 Feb 10
I don't understand why everyone is going over the top with this. Stop bashing the religion..... if someone has made a decision to serve halal meat then fine, there business will probably flourish. Domino's is earning more money than before and so is Subway - they have had a 40% increase in footflow. Something must be right.
As another point, I understand that many Mcdonald franchises, Nandos, KFC and Pizza Hut are contemplating providing a Halal menu, something must be right.
Where's_the_beef?
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2:09pm Fri 5 Feb 10
bluetonic wrote:Anybody wondering why foaming-at-the-mouth Jihadis like bluetonic are so obsessed with the Jews? It's simple really; they're instructed to hate them. Read the hadiths (recordings of deeds and sayings attributed to Muhammad) and you will see why. For example, Sahih Muslim 41:6985 instructs, that "the Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him". Basically, the motto of bluetonic and his deadbeat Jihadi wannabes is: 'kill a Jew, go to heaven'. If anybody was wondering just far things have sunk, consider this. The Telegraph Taleban moderators instantly remove any post that may show a scintilla of scepticism toward the Religion of Peace. Blatantly anti-Semitic bigotry like bluetonic's however remain regardless. Go figure.
the halal method was adopted from the jews, i dont see anybody criticising them, the only reason halal is not banned worldwide is because of the powerfull jewish lobbies worldwide.
kosher/halal same thing!
for all you negative peeps out there i suggest you read the links below, especialy you archibold, you might learn something!
http://www.themodern
religion.com/misc/an
/an_slaughter.htm
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Halal
'halal' its the future!
Rocksta
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2:46pm Fri 5 Feb 10
Where's_the_beef? wrote:This comment board is for the Halal menu at Gino's, we not not spiting religion here. Lay off.
bluetonic wrote: the halal method was adopted from the jews, i dont see anybody criticising them, the only reason halal is not banned worldwide is because of the powerfull jewish lobbies worldwide. kosher/halal same thing! for all you negative peeps out there i suggest you read the links below, especialy you archibold, you might learn something! http://www.themodern religion.com/misc/an /an_slaughter.htm http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Halal 'halal' its the future!Anybody wondering why foaming-at-the-mouth Jihadis like bluetonic are so obsessed with the Jews? It's simple really; they're instructed to hate them. Read the hadiths (recordings of deeds and sayings attributed to Muhammad) and you will see why. For example, Sahih Muslim 41:6985 instructs, that "the Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him". Basically, the motto of bluetonic and his deadbeat Jihadi wannabes is: 'kill a Jew, go to heaven'. If anybody was wondering just far things have sunk, consider this. The Telegraph Taleban moderators instantly remove any post that may show a scintilla of scepticism toward the Religion of Peace. Blatantly anti-Semitic bigotry like bluetonic's however remain regardless. Go figure.
If you haven't got a comment to make about the story then don't comment.
Where's_the_beef?
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2:59pm Fri 5 Feb 10
Rocksta wrote:Halal + Sharia + Islam = Religion. Halal is the Arabic term designating any object or an action which is permissible to use or engage in, according to Islamic law. Are you a Dhimmi Rocksta— or just dim?
Where's_the_beef? wrote:This comment board is for the Halal menu at Gino's, we not not spiting religion here. Lay off.
bluetonic wrote: the halal method was adopted from the jews, i dont see anybody criticising them, the only reason halal is not banned worldwide is because of the powerfull jewish lobbies worldwide. kosher/halal same thing! for all you negative peeps out there i suggest you read the links below, especialy you archibold, you might learn something! http://www.themodern religion.com/misc/an /an_slaughter.htm http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Halal 'halal' its the future!Anybody wondering why foaming-at-the-mouth Jihadis like bluetonic are so obsessed with the Jews? It's simple really; they're instructed to hate them. Read the hadiths (recordings of deeds and sayings attributed to Muhammad) and you will see why. For example, Sahih Muslim 41:6985 instructs, that "the Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him". Basically, the motto of bluetonic and his deadbeat Jihadi wannabes is: 'kill a Jew, go to heaven'. If anybody was wondering just far things have sunk, consider this. The Telegraph Taleban moderators instantly remove any post that may show a scintilla of scepticism toward the Religion of Peace. Blatantly anti-Semitic bigotry like bluetonic's however remain regardless. Go figure.
If you haven't got a comment to make about the story then don't comment.
Rocksta
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3:15pm Fri 5 Feb 10
Where's_the_beef? wrote:I see that the above is a copy and paste job from Wikipedia. Guess who's dim..........
Rocksta wrote:Halal + Sharia + Islam = Religion. Halal is the Arabic term designating any object or an action which is permissible to use or engage in, according to Islamic law. Are you a Dhimmi Rocksta— or just dim?Where's_the_beef? wrote:This comment board is for the Halal menu at Gino's, we not not spiting religion here. Lay off. If you haven't got a comment to make about the story then don't comment.bluetonic wrote: the halal method was adopted from the jews, i dont see anybody criticising them, the only reason halal is not banned worldwide is because of the powerfull jewish lobbies worldwide. kosher/halal same thing! for all you negative peeps out there i suggest you read the links below, especialy you archibold, you might learn something! http://www.themodern religion.com/misc/an /an_slaughter.htm http://en.wikipedia. org/wiki/Halal 'halal' its the future!Anybody wondering why foaming-at-the-mouth Jihadis like bluetonic are so obsessed with the Jews? It's simple really; they're instructed to hate them. Read the hadiths (recordings of deeds and sayings attributed to Muhammad) and you will see why. For example, Sahih Muslim 41:6985 instructs, that "the Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him". Basically, the motto of bluetonic and his deadbeat Jihadi wannabes is: 'kill a Jew, go to heaven'. If anybody was wondering just far things have sunk, consider this. The Telegraph Taleban moderators instantly remove any post that may show a scintilla of scepticism toward the Religion of Peace. Blatantly anti-Semitic bigotry like bluetonic's however remain regardless. Go figure.
Where the brain should be, in your case it has been replaced by beef is the answer to your profile name.
Have a nice weeked.
therighthon
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6:19pm Fri 5 Feb 10
archibold
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6:43pm Fri 5 Feb 10
brfcrules wrote:no i don't object to how it is prepared - it is how it is killed . maybe you should learn to read over your neck of the woods or have u spent too much time at school bullying others! - My comment - how it is prepared is another way of meaning slaughtered or sorry do you not understand different ways of saying things. HOW DARE YOU SAY SUCH THINGS ABOUT ME....I HAVE A MIXED RACE FAMILY SO AM NEVER GOING TO BE RACIST....I DO NOT HATE MUSLIMS I HAVE LOTS OF MUSLIM FRIENDS BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN I HAVE TO AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THEY DO! MAYBE ITS THAT YOU CAN'T SEE OTHER PPL HAVE OPINIONS....YOU MIGHT NOT LIKE SOMETHING SUCH AS ASPARAGUS AND HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO SAY IT BUT JUST COZ I LIKE IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN FORCE YOUR VIEWS ON ME....OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE RACIST...GROW UP AND LEARN THAT THE WORLD IS FULL OF OPINIONATED PPL WITH 'DIFFERENT' THINGS THEY BELIEVE - AND YOUR BELIEFS ARE NOT ONLY THE RIGHT ONES! PATHETIC!
archibold wrote:so now your saying you object to the way the meat is prepared and not how it is killed!!! there is no special way to prepare halal meat, it is cut, minced or cooked as any other. Why did you not object that this is selling meat dishes full stop. Your a blatant bigot, racist fraudster, hate spreader. I bet you don't object to people different from you suffering, raped, tortured and killed. you would have a wet dream thinking about it! I don't object to you and your mates being small narrow minded bigots, I object to your denial to it.
Why the hell am I now racist because i refuse to eat halal....no i am not.......just because i don't agree with how the animal is slaughtered does not make me a racist....and if that is the case - does that not make muslim people racist for not eating our meat then - its only the same but in reverse...go figure clever sod! maybe you should think about what you write before hand....and do not dare label ppl with being racist when you do not know them.
Yes some ppl will object to this on the basis of not being well informed and due to racist beliefs but mine are not this and are purely down to my issues with the animals and their care. also how do you know i am white? maybe i am black but not a muslim...i do have black family members so go figure!
And yes I would disagree with kosher food too.....yes that is 'white' as you put it....and i know full well where the meat comes from.....it is how it is prepared that is the issue! And as for fruit and water.....if it was a case of these being alive and not being properly stunned before being cut up into chunks and letting their juices drain slowly in agony, than yes, i would object to that too......but becuase an apple will not suffer during the juicing process i tend not to be so worried about it.....and because - as i stated before it is the animal welfare i am concerned about - and fruit is not an animal.....young children know this! think before you speak!
Oh and what has rape and torture got to do with anything?? this is about food..........get a life and stop abusing ppl!
archibold
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6:50pm Fri 5 Feb 10
Where's_the_beef? wrote:here here..........he is obviously a racist person as he can't accept any form of opinion against halal.....whether it be an informed choice on the basis of cruelty or not. He cannot accept that other ppl like to have the choice to eat this food but then maybe thats just due to other factors meaning he can't see others points of views?? its pretty sad when ppl live their lives like this!
bluetonic wrote:Anybody wondering why foaming-at-the-mouth Jihadis like bluetonic are so obsessed with the Jews? It's simple really; they're instructed to hate them. Read the hadiths (recordings of deeds and sayings attributed to Muhammad) and you will see why. For example, Sahih Muslim 41:6985 instructs, that "the Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him". Basically, the motto of bluetonic and his deadbeat Jihadi wannabes is: 'kill a Jew, go to heaven'. If anybody was wondering just far things have sunk, consider this. The Telegraph Taleban moderators instantly remove any post that may show a scintilla of scepticism toward the Religion of Peace. Blatantly anti-Semitic bigotry like bluetonic's however remain regardless. Go figure.
the halal method was adopted from the jews, i dont see anybody criticising them, the only reason halal is not banned worldwide is because of the powerfull jewish lobbies worldwide.
kosher/halal same thing!
for all you negative peeps out there i suggest you read the links below, especialy you archibold, you might learn something!
http://www.themodern
religion.com/misc/an
/an_slaughter.htm
http://en.wikipedia.
org/wiki/Halal
'halal' its the future!
Faithless
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7:29pm Fri 5 Feb 10
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Anyone who claims that halal slaughter is anymore painful for the animal than a normal slaughter are very ill-informed as the processes are virtually identical.
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There are three main differences: Firstly, for an animal to be killed in a halal way, god's name needs to be said at the time of killing. I don't think many animals would be too bothered by this.
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Secondly, animals should not be stunned prior to being killed according to the strictest interpretation of islamic law. However, to comply with British law, 99% of the abattoirs in the country still stun animals when killing them in a halal way. Stunning does not make the killing any less painful for the animal. The animal is not unconscious when stunned, neither are it's pain receptors desensitised. This means that both methods are as painful as each other when it comes to slaughtering. The only difference is, a stunned animal is unable to respond to pain by flapping whereas an animal that is not stunned will kick and scream.
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Finally, for an animal to be killed in a halal way, it should not be done infront of other animals. In an environment that is not halal, a stunned animal will be hanging on a conveyor belt, slowly moving towards its death, watching other animals being slaughtered, one at a time until it has its turn. You have to remember the animal is paralysed by the stunning but not unconscious. This can be distressing for the animal about to be killed as it can see its fate coming. In a halal environment, each animal should be killed alone, out of view of other animals. This ensures that the animal does not know its fate until the last minute thus minimising distress.
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Both methods of killing the animals are equally barbaric. Saying that, if animlas were not meant to be eaten they would not be made from meat. Gino's here I come
moggy669
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7:39pm Fri 5 Feb 10
Another eatery off the menu.
archibold
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7:55pm Fri 5 Feb 10
brfcrules
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1:00am Sat 6 Feb 10
You will see all evidence that halal is no different to the rest of food available apart from spiritual intentions but is says halal, don't like it, don't want it, get rid of it!!!
All you bigots and racists out there, be open, say what you think, don't be shy, nothing wrong with showing where you stand. Just remember before WW2 you boycotted the jews, called them names, spread lies and hatred. Next oppressed them, took their jobs, business, told them they don't belong, took their homes, beat them, raped and abused them, imprisoned them then the final solution, gassed them. After all this now look at the jews they own the most richest lands, money gold and banks, all the big companies, the media, arms and healthcare, and own the very government you elect. No matter how racist, genocidal, hate mongering, narrow minded tosser you are, what goes round, comes round..........
archibold
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9:11am Sat 6 Feb 10
And i have said how i feel....just because i have not made racist comments does not mean i have any to hide or feel like i would if not on here....i have no racist comments but the bullies amongst us who can't have a reasonable debate without resorting to violent name calling is sad!
And as for WW2...i wasn't alive then so no i didn't do all of this to the jews! sorry cocker........yes u may say my forefathers did but then history is history and i am assured your forefathers from generations long past will have done something equally as bad! we cannot judge whose forefathers played what role in the past so this has no bearing on meat?? ha ha!
ghost of sceptic
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11:52am Sat 6 Feb 10
ghost of sceptic
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12:06pm Sat 6 Feb 10
brfcrules
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12:52pm Sat 6 Feb 10
s like you have a lot to answer for and you will!!!!!!!!
archibold
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1:04pm Sat 6 Feb 10
And as for creating divisions...its funny i was subject to racism from muslims recently and sat all day but carried on as tho it wasn't happening to show i was bigger than they were and do not promote racism....and this was in a professional establishment in your town! from ppl who are meant to set an example.....now who is creating the divisions? just because my belief differs that does not mean its creating divisions - but by not promoting beliefs of the indigenous population but of others it will create divides...why not have a restaurant that sells both?? that way ppl can eat together with no issues? or maybe summat like that would be too much like common sense for some who like to be abusive rather than overcome a problem!
brfcrules
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3:09pm Sat 6 Feb 10
archibold
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5:50pm Sat 6 Feb 10
think you need to read the article the bit where it says 'fully halal menu' kind of gives the game away? i was given the impression they sell meat dishes and vegetarian dishes. my suggestion is they sell dishes exactly the same made out of both halal and non halal meat for the choice of the consumer to make - therefore pleasing everyone!
and what is a turp?
brfcrules
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7:16pm Sat 6 Feb 10
iby
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8:40pm Sat 6 Feb 10
http://www.halaljour
nal.com/article/3360
/halal:-the-most-hum
ane-slaughter
Now the link above although on a halal site (will your computer blow up archibold? your not racist so atleast read) was conducted by non-muslim researchers in germany. to summarise they compared ritual slaughter with a sharp knife to stunning.
they found that according to EEG (brain) and ECG (heart) stimulation patterns during slaughter the halal method actually caused less harm to the animal. Furthermore as ritual slaughter leads to the stopping of brain signals (EEG) there is no pain but as the heart remains pumping for a while and the main carotid artery is cut this facilitates the removal of blood from the meat making halal meat more hygenic that stunned meat. Now as human beings and to the naked human eye slaughter seems unhumane, where in reality it is the most humane method. But then for those who believe (christians, muslims & jews) that God is the creator, and he is the most merciful and compassionate, the fact that he prescribed a method that is now scientifically proven to be the most humane way to slaughter an animal is no surprise. For those with an open mind and intellect this you will find interesting. For those just bashing continue to lead your sorry lives. Gino, im a fan of italian food and regularly eat out but stick to the veg options due to my beliefs. When i am back i will be sure to come along. Your decision makes business sense.. i wouldnt worry about a lot of these no hopers wwho dont realise its what they're eating in their kebabs, pizza's curries anyways
brfcrules
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9:59pm Sat 6 Feb 10
iby
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12:39am Sun 7 Feb 10
brfcrules wrote:Thanks, i wait to see what bigoted response awaits us.
well said iby, but these nonces will never accept true evidence or realism. Their heads are so stuck up in their hatred, they only have evil thoughts of any one who is different and who may be a threat to their self preservation society. The racist bigots are just obsessed with plotting and wet dreaming of ways to cuss the "impure non arian human sub-species!" They have deleted many of my comments here. Remember if we are retarded animals that live in the wild, at least we can survive. Any bit of hardship the genocide precursors will crimble with fear!!!!!!!teri maa ko peena!
archibold
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9:33am Sun 7 Feb 10
er there are arguements for and against this, both saying they prove their point..... as being an academic you will know is often the case thru research and what not! But iby....why do you not eat meat at all due to your beliefs and brfc sticks up for u......how strange is that? i decide not to eat halal and am found to have a barrage of abuse at me just because i feel until we can safely kill then bring back to life and someone can experience this and say it didn't hurt.......i will then be convinced! And why would i want to boycott all those things? Like i said i come from a mixed race family and so obviously you have not read this in the past when you pathetically say i am racist.....and a bigot is someone who is intolerant of anyone elses opinions....i respect that muslims want to kill their animals like this and as i have said before they can do but it is my choice not to eat it - i can cope with their choice but seems you cannot cope with my choice not to comsume it and laden me with abuse for my love of animals......maybe you need to think about who is the one who cannot cope with others opinions here?
I have no hatred for other religions, ethnicities etc........but just because I decide not to want to eat something I am deemed so........maybe your hatred for me shows your racist and intolerance for other races!
And how funny is it when ppl think you don't understand their insults....my mother wouldn't be too happy to hear this given we both have learnt many asian languages to help in our work alongside others in our community! I love doing this when i hear racist remarks or abusive remarks and i say...oh nice of you to say, yes i understand you..... and its funny how asians are always taken aback that we understand them! Yes some of us have made an effort to get to know langauges to overcome barriers.....maybe think twice about who you insult and in what language - baie dankie!
brfcrules
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5:23pm Sun 7 Feb 10
BlackburnlassgoneSouth
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6:48pm Sun 7 Feb 10
dinkydebs wrote:How can this be a halal restaurant? Ham and pineapple pizza?! Ham comes from pigs and there is no such thing as a halal pig as a pig is haram in Islam.
ginos you can have ham and pineapple pizza i had 1 yesterday it was lush,
ghost of sceptic
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3:29pm Mon 8 Feb 10
brfcrules
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7:28pm Mon 8 Feb 10
district01 wrote:It is pre-stunned as all meat. What a stupid, thick idiot!
HALAL MEAT: Ritually slaughtered: describes meat from animals that have been slaughtered in the ritual way prescribed by Islamic law.
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Cruel Barstards!
district01
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11:10pm Mon 8 Feb 10
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Do you believe in Father Christmas?
ghost of sceptic
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3:04pm Tue 9 Feb 10
brfcrules
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9:39pm Tue 9 Feb 10
time.team
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9:50pm Tue 9 Feb 10
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Cruel Barstards!
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In 2003, an independent advisory group - the Farm Animal Welfare Council (FAWC) - concluded that the way halal and Kosher meat is produced causes severe suffering to animals and should be banned immediately. FAWC argued that cattle required up to two minutes to bleed to death when such means are employed. The Chairperson of FAWC at the time, Judy MacArthur Clark, added, "this is a major incision into the animal and to say that it doesn't suffer is quite ridiculous.
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Surely, this should not have to be repeated yet again to be understood by the callous blind?
brfcrules
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9:55pm Tue 9 Feb 10
brfcrules
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10:00pm Tue 9 Feb 10
district01 wrote:copied of wikipedia, how intelligent!!!
To the highly intelligent one above: In 2003, an independent advisory group - the Farm Animal Welfare Council (FAWC) - concluded that the way halal and Kosher meat is produced causes severe suffering to animals and should be banned immediately. FAWC argued that cattle required up to two minutes to bleed to death when such means are employed. The Chairperson of FAWC at the time, Judy MacArthur Clark, added, "this is a major incision into the animal and to say that it doesn't suffer is quite ridiculous." In 2003, an independent advisory group - the Farm Animal Welfare Council (FAWC) - concluded that the way halal and Kosher meat is produced causes severe suffering to animals and should be banned immediately. FAWC argued that cattle required up to two minutes to bleed to death when such means are employed. The Chairperson of FAWC at the time, Judy MacArthur Clark, added, "this is a major incision into the animal and to say that it doesn't suffer is quite ridiculous."
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Do you believe in Father Christmas?
PS all meat is pre-stunned. non halal meat is then left, halal meat is then swiftly killed. Look up vivisection including for cosmetics, Judy MacArthur Clark over sees it!!
district01
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2:23pm Wed 10 Feb 10
Therefore, would it not be better to see things as they are rather that making excuses for wrongs based on outdated and unfounded beliefs?
AnthonyUK
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3:41pm Wed 17 Feb 10
AMHOP
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2:58pm Tue 23 Feb 10
As a vegetarian and non-muslim it makes no difference to me, but my partner does not support the slaughter of animals without prior stunning. I must admit to being ignorant about exactly how the animals are slaughtered (and even more confused after reading some of the comments on here!). It is very likely that me & my partner will eat in these restaurants, but he may choose vegetarian options. Either way I think we need to support local businesses in Blackburn or else there will be nowhere decent to eat, Halal or not!
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11:26am Thu 4 Feb 10